Order of Man - December 19, 2018


No Apologies, "Task Stacking", and Being Friends with the Opposite Sex | ASK ME ANYTHING


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In this episode of the Order of Man Podcast, Kip and I talk about being a man of action and how to deal with people who play the victim card. We also talk about the importance of not letting words get to you.

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00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.
00:00:06.020 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.
00:00:10.480 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.
00:00:15.520 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.
00:00:19.760 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.
00:00:25.420 Kip, what's up brother? Ask me anything. Who knows, 22, 23? Nah, it's not even that much.
00:00:29.500 What is it? 20? 19?
00:00:30.920 19. I keep track of this stuff.
00:00:33.020 Yeah, you are. Well, that's why you do this is because you're significantly more organized than I am.
00:00:37.560 I don't know about significant.
00:00:39.560 Maybe slightly.
00:00:40.660 Yeah, but I named the word document AMA19 so I know which number we're on at least.
00:00:45.340 Yeah, well, we started something new last week. We did a video and we had a lot of response to that, which is cool.
00:00:49.880 These are, guys, just so you know if you're tuning in here, these are questions that we're fielding from our Patreon account,
00:00:55.580 from Facebook, from the Iron Council, which is our exclusive brotherhood.
00:01:00.440 Got something on my brim there.
00:01:03.540 And yeah, so we're fielding those questions, but we're also doing this on YouTube.
00:01:08.060 So if you go to youtube.com slash order of man, you will find Kip's smiling face and my luscious beard.
00:01:18.320 And you guys can watch as we do these ask me anythings and have a good old time.
00:01:24.620 We got a lot of feedback actually, man.
00:01:26.260 I don't know if you know or if you jumped on YouTube or not, but we got a lot of positive feedback.
00:01:29.660 I don't think anybody said anything negative, which is surprising because YouTube just seems to bring out the worst in people.
00:01:35.840 I know. It's notorious for people just being mean, right?
00:01:40.780 And I actually, I told my wife, I'm like, oh, so we did the last podcast on YouTube and she's like, do not read the comments.
00:01:49.340 Yeah, she knows. Everybody knows.
00:01:51.560 And I was even like, I don't know if I'm going to.
00:01:55.280 So I'm super nervous.
00:01:56.560 My wife, she does that whenever I say something. 1.00
00:01:58.880 In fact, it's funny because every once in a while, my wife will say to me just randomly, she'll say, so who are you going to piss off today?
00:02:03.640 Or who are you going to offend today?
00:02:06.160 I'm like, I don't know. I haven't decided yet.
00:02:08.620 But she says like when she sees something that I post that is even remotely controversial, that she doesn't even engage in the comments or anything else.
00:02:19.500 She's like, I don't know how you handle that.
00:02:20.720 I'm like, oh, I've been doing it long enough that, look, I'm not going to lie.
00:02:23.780 It still gets to me because if people say things, some of the things that people say, I mean, still stings a little bit.
00:02:28.400 But I've just developed a thicker skin over time, which is critical in when you're doing this.
00:02:34.500 But it's just critical in life, man.
00:02:36.140 Like how many people out there are just like, it's amazing to me the, just the, I don't know, the level of insecurity or this lack of confidence or I don't exactly know what it is.
00:02:52.180 But I'm amazed at how many people choose to be outraged by words.
00:02:56.340 And you know what?
00:02:58.040 Even if those things are true, you don't have to be outraged.
00:03:01.420 That's a choice.
00:03:02.660 And the more you let that stuff consume you, the less productive I think you are in your family, in your business, everything that you want to accomplish.
00:03:09.360 So we got to be really, really careful of allowing these words to get to us.
00:03:12.960 It's crazy.
00:03:13.420 Yeah, a lot of it comes back to your last Friday Field Notes about being a victim.
00:03:19.220 There's a little bit of victimhood or victimness to people being outraged by everything.
00:03:25.000 A little?
00:03:25.400 I mean, that's a lot.
00:03:26.160 That's like their MO, right?
00:03:27.480 That is who they are at the core.
00:03:30.120 Yeah, it's crazy.
00:03:32.100 It's pretty sad.
00:03:33.180 I mean, it really is because these people who play that victim card, and I think a lot of them are probably playing it unknowingly, which is even worse because they're ignorant to the fact that they're victims.
00:03:43.420 At least if you know you're a victim, you can do something about it.
00:03:46.460 But if your eyes haven't been opened yet, man, there's not a dang thing that you can do to change your current circumstances.
00:03:52.480 Yeah, they don't even get it.
00:03:54.780 They don't even know.
00:03:55.420 It's not even on their radar.
00:03:56.820 Yeah.
00:03:57.340 Yeah.
00:03:58.460 Well, I know we've got some questions that were left over from last week.
00:04:03.020 I think you and I had talked about scrubbing through those questions a little bit more effectively to make sure we're answering the best ones.
00:04:09.660 So let's just get right into it, man.
00:04:11.160 We got to be fairly quick.
00:04:12.380 I know you've got a crazy day.
00:04:13.800 Dude, it's crazy for me.
00:04:17.660 It was amazing.
00:04:19.300 Absolutely incredible.
00:04:20.840 It was amazing.
00:04:21.680 Spent some time with friends, specifically Pete and his crew over at Origin, which was awesome.
00:04:29.820 It was cold, but not unbearable.
00:04:32.860 My wife loved it.
00:04:34.640 And we actually put an offer in on a house out there.
00:04:37.300 I was going to say, are you guys thinking about pulling the trigger?
00:04:40.460 Not even thinking about it.
00:04:41.460 Pulled the trigger.
00:04:41.680 We pulled the trigger.
00:04:43.820 Now, let's see if we hit the target.
00:04:45.820 And so a couple offers, a single offer.
00:04:48.460 There's one house.
00:04:49.320 There's one house.
00:04:50.140 We went and saw, I think we saw 10 houses or something like that.
00:04:53.400 And yeah, we fell in love with one.
00:04:57.380 And so we'll see.
00:04:59.640 But there might be some exciting changes in the Mickler household and order a man HQ, if you will. 0.98
00:05:04.900 Yeah.
00:05:05.460 Crazy, man.
00:05:06.660 It's crazy.
00:05:06.980 It is crazy.
00:05:07.840 It's something so much different than the way I operate.
00:05:12.560 I don't operate like that.
00:05:13.960 Yeah.
00:05:14.280 She doesn't operate like that. 1.00
00:05:15.520 So it's weird that we did this.
00:05:16.720 So hopefully you don't mind me asking, what are you going to do with your house?
00:05:21.580 And we'll rent it.
00:05:23.380 Yeah.
00:05:23.920 We've got another rental property that we rent out.
00:05:27.420 We'll turn this into a rental.
00:05:29.240 I mean, that worst case scenario, we hate Maine, right?
00:05:31.480 And so we got to have somewhere to come back to.
00:05:33.960 Yeah.
00:05:34.420 Sell the house and yeah.
00:05:36.440 Sell the Maine or rent out Maine and move back.
00:05:38.960 That's exact.
00:05:39.480 I like having the rental properties.
00:05:41.580 I mean, just having somebody else pay that mortgage and it's a pretty good thing.
00:05:45.240 Cash flow on them a little bit.
00:05:46.400 So it works out well.
00:05:48.220 Cool.
00:05:48.640 Well, I'll set some of that heating, offset some of that heating cost in Maine.
00:05:52.160 Oh my goodness.
00:05:53.560 Oh, that's a, that's a really good point.
00:05:55.320 Yeah.
00:05:55.440 It's like more than your mortgage or something.
00:05:56.880 Well, cost of living, the housing is so inexpensive out there.
00:06:00.280 It really is.
00:06:01.440 I mean, this, this house that we're, we're purchasing in the land would have cost probably
00:06:04.540 four to five, maybe even more times what it would here in Utah.
00:06:09.720 Yeah.
00:06:10.400 So the cost of living is so low, but you got to heat the house and it's not a small house.
00:06:15.320 So we'll see.
00:06:16.060 We'll see how it goes, man.
00:06:17.060 I'll show you some pictures.
00:06:18.760 All right.
00:06:19.020 Enough of that.
00:06:19.480 Let's get into these questions.
00:06:20.720 All right.
00:06:21.000 So our first question is from Tony Erzy from actually Tony's on the iron council, but he
00:06:26.280 posted the question on.
00:06:27.660 Tony's one of my favorite people, by the way, man, I just, I, I, I really like Tony.
00:06:32.400 We, we have a good relationship.
00:06:33.840 Is he on your team in the iron council?
00:06:35.360 He is on my team.
00:06:36.520 Yeah.
00:06:36.960 In fact, uh, to our previous conversation before we hit record, maybe, uh, you know,
00:06:42.260 maybe we need to talk a little bit more about Tony.
00:06:45.640 Okay.
00:06:46.480 Yeah.
00:06:46.840 So, all right.
00:06:47.900 Tony Erzy for Ryan and Kip, both to answer when people are paying tribute to your life
00:06:52.800 someday, what would you most like your life to be remembered for?
00:06:57.820 This one's actually really easy for me.
00:06:59.320 I, I, I've, I've thought a lot about my death and I know that sounds like morbid, but that
00:07:03.740 actually puts things in a different perspective.
00:07:06.120 You know what I'm, cause I get down on myself sometimes.
00:07:08.440 Like one of the things I fall into is, you know, comparing myself to what other people
00:07:11.940 are doing and these quote unquote influencers and why I don't have a level of influence these
00:07:15.860 guys do.
00:07:16.520 It's a real challenge I fall into.
00:07:18.320 But when I start thinking about being on my deathbed or actually dying, uh, it, it is morbid,
00:07:24.580 but it puts things in perspective and allows me to focus on the things that are important.
00:07:27.780 My family, my wife, my kids, my neighborhood, my community, you guys, you Kip, the people 0.99
00:07:32.780 that really believe in what I'm doing and support me.
00:07:35.800 But to get to the question, um, it's really simple for me.
00:07:40.660 I just, I want, I want people who know me best to say that, you know what, Ryan, every
00:07:47.040 time he had an idea, he was willing to pull the trigger that he was willing to make a risk,
00:07:52.820 take a risk, willing to put it on the line and just pursue.
00:07:57.320 Not that he had everything figured out, not that everything even actually worked out a
00:08:00.820 hundred percent of the time, but that he was never so fearful of pursuing some worthy objective.
00:08:09.440 And every day I try to live my life like that.
00:08:11.800 I mean, that's why we're pulling this trigger and pulled the trigger in Maine.
00:08:15.340 It's like, you know, we could have sat back and thought about all the reasons why it wouldn't
00:08:18.940 work and why we shouldn't and be real practical.
00:08:21.640 And of course, don't get me wrong.
00:08:23.060 We should take that into consideration.
00:08:25.440 We don't want to be, uh, reckless, right?
00:08:31.200 But why not?
00:08:33.360 So that's where I'm at.
00:08:35.420 Cool.
00:08:36.180 What about you?
00:08:36.660 Um, first off, I think it's when a celebrity has like a funeral and there's thousands of
00:08:44.500 people or hundreds of people at their funeral, um, I think for most of those, it's really
00:08:50.300 superficial.
00:08:50.920 Like it looks good, but how many of those people really knew that individual in a very intimate
00:08:58.100 way?
00:08:58.760 And so it's tempting to, to want the flash, right?
00:09:02.940 The, the glam of, Oh, he made a huge impact.
00:09:06.420 Look how much he was remembered.
00:09:08.340 But in the grand scheme of things, I don't think that's where impact is.
00:09:11.860 And so for me, it's, it's for the people, for a group of individuals to feel that their
00:09:19.140 life was bettered because of me being in it.
00:09:23.200 Um, and having that a good profound amount of people that more or less had just left the
00:09:28.400 world better than it was, uh, and, and allowed and help them become better, uh, due to my influence
00:09:34.060 in some way.
00:09:35.440 I love it.
00:09:36.500 It's powerful.
00:09:37.880 Right on.
00:09:38.800 Cool.
00:09:39.620 Okay.
00:09:39.860 Chase Saxton, what do you think the best MOS is in the army slash army national guard?
00:09:46.360 And you have to tell what people are MOS is because I have no idea.
00:09:49.600 Yeah.
00:09:49.720 It's, it's basically just your specialty in the military.
00:09:52.320 Well, it's your job.
00:09:53.320 That's what it is.
00:09:54.200 Okay.
00:09:54.560 What do I think?
00:09:55.680 I don't, I don't think anything's the best, but I'm an artillery guy, king of battle,
00:09:59.800 13 Delta.
00:10:00.720 So I was fire direction control.
00:10:02.420 So basically we'd have forward observers that would call in enemy units in positions.
00:10:06.080 They'd forward that to us.
00:10:08.580 Uh, we would take that information and then disseminate that to the gun bunnies. 0.96
00:10:12.300 I think those are 13 Bravo.
00:10:14.120 If I remember, I might be off, but I think they're 13 Bravo.
00:10:16.760 Uh, these are the guys that shoot the big guns, man.
00:10:18.840 The paladin, the howitzer.
00:10:20.220 It's incredible, incredible indirect fire.
00:10:22.560 One, five, five rounds.
00:10:23.520 It's, it's amazing.
00:10:24.440 I mean, it's amazing what these machine machines can do.
00:10:28.280 Uh, so we would take the, uh, information from the forward observers.
00:10:31.980 Uh, we would, we would scrub through that information, figure out how we were going to
00:10:35.480 respond to the enemy threat or sighting, whatever it may be.
00:10:40.260 And then again, disseminate that to the guns and let them do their thing. 0.90
00:10:44.080 Uh, so 13 Bravo is that I was 13 Delta's fire direction control.
00:10:49.200 Forward observers are out, out in the field doing the thing.
00:10:51.400 I admire those guys, um, 13 Bravo's.
00:10:54.860 I mean, they're, they're out shooting those guns, which is absolutely incredible.
00:11:00.280 Um, so I'm, I'm, I'm a red leg man.
00:11:03.460 King of battle.
00:11:04.840 Is there, um, a part, uh, an MOS that you were interested in that you kind of wish that
00:11:11.760 you would have checked out?
00:11:12.780 That's a good question.
00:11:13.800 I, I don't, I don't know that there was, because I actually, I joined the national guard
00:11:18.820 in, well, I was still in high school when I joined the national guard.
00:11:22.780 So the national guard unit that I was, that I was near only had artillery specialties.
00:11:29.300 I mean, there was some support units and support, excuse me, some support positions and, and,
00:11:33.300 and positions like that MOSs.
00:11:35.680 Um, but I, I always had that ambition of, of, uh, being part of that action.
00:11:43.080 Right.
00:11:43.440 And then figuring out how we were going to respond.
00:11:45.800 And so I did fairly well, uh, in, on my, uh, what is it called?
00:11:50.100 The ASVAP, I think is what it's called.
00:11:51.440 That's your military, uh, test to see, you know, what position you can actually hold.
00:11:56.340 I did fairly well on that.
00:11:57.620 So I had my pick.
00:11:59.120 Based upon your intelligence.
00:12:00.400 So.
00:12:01.140 Yeah.
00:12:01.600 Yeah.
00:12:01.880 Your intelligence or, and I don't want to say just that, but your intelligence, probably
00:12:06.280 even your aptitude for certain tasks and activities.
00:12:08.940 Because, you know, you could take, you could take some, two people who are highly intelligent
00:12:13.180 and they would naturally flock to different avenues.
00:12:16.760 You know, one might be interested in, in, uh, being, you know, in the fight, being like
00:12:22.040 face to face in the, on the, on the ground, in the battle.
00:12:24.500 And somebody else might be interested in strategy, for example.
00:12:27.920 So it was probably had something to do with your, your aptitude for certain professions
00:12:33.080 within the military, but yeah.
00:12:34.420 Artillery, red leg, king of battle, king of battle.
00:12:37.300 Follow me.
00:12:38.340 Red leg.
00:12:38.940 That's right, man.
00:12:40.280 All right.
00:12:40.780 Tristan Tully, should men strive to earn more than their wives?
00:12:44.260 This is probably what I was going to say.
00:12:44.520 Oh, I remember seeing this question.
00:12:46.380 I think it's, I think that's a ludicrous thought.
00:12:50.020 I know.
00:12:51.160 I agree.
00:12:51.300 I would say this.
00:12:52.420 What I would change to that is men should strive to make more than they currently are.
00:12:58.480 That's it.
00:12:59.080 Like, I don't, it doesn't matter if you're making more than your wife.
00:13:01.960 It doesn't really, it doesn't make you less of a man, more of a man.
00:13:05.640 But if you're not striving to learn new skills, to develop new ideas and insights, to even
00:13:11.400 potentially go out on your own so that you can make more money, to figure out ways to
00:13:14.460 be more valuable to your clients and your customers and your employer.
00:13:17.380 If you're not doing that, yeah, I think that's less manly.
00:13:21.100 But if my wife made $500,000 and I made $400,000, all the power to her and all the power to the 1.00
00:13:28.380 Micklers because we're a team.
00:13:30.040 So, I want her to make more money. 1.00
00:13:31.960 I want to make more money.
00:13:32.960 And I'm not really going to try to compare myself.
00:13:35.740 Now, look, I'm not going to say I don't understand where this question comes from because we feel
00:13:41.000 like as men that we have an obligation to be the breadwinner.
00:13:45.020 And I believe that's true.
00:13:46.540 And in fact, the research and the data actually plays that out pretty accurately according to
00:13:52.260 that, that there's more problems in relationships when the man chooses to stay at home or he makes
00:13:59.280 less than his wife.
00:14:00.640 Now, some of that may be ego-driven and some of that, frankly, may just be guilty conscience,
00:14:05.460 right?
00:14:05.660 Like that they sabotage their own relationship because they feel inadequate in that relationship
00:14:10.780 because they're not doing what they feel like they should be doing.
00:14:13.140 I love my kids to death.
00:14:14.280 I've got four kids.
00:14:15.400 They vary between the ages of 10 to 2 and I love them to death.
00:14:19.620 But I would not feel fulfilled in my life if I was at home with my kids all day.
00:14:27.540 I wouldn't.
00:14:28.180 And I'm not undermining that because my wife feels completely edified and uplifted when
00:14:34.500 she's at home and she's being, all she's ever wanted to do was be a homemaker.
00:14:39.300 Not one of our positions is more important than the other.
00:14:41.700 But if she was out in the workforce, I'd want her to make as much money as she possibly can. 0.99
00:14:46.760 And I want to make as much money as I possibly can.
00:14:49.160 I think to compare is a little bit of a recipe for disaster and a lot of ego talking in that
00:14:54.860 for sure.
00:14:55.780 Yeah.
00:14:56.200 And I think it's, and that's why the question's there, right?
00:15:00.060 Because probably for most men and their egos, this would be a dilemma, right?
00:15:04.680 Where they might try to be competitive because they're associating all kinds of meaning to
00:15:08.780 the fact that they're not earning as much as their wives.
00:15:11.440 Well, not only that, let's play this out for a second.
00:15:13.840 All right.
00:15:14.100 Let's say that your wife is making more money than you and you have it in your head and 0.76
00:15:18.380 your heart, wherever that is, wherever that resides, that I need to be making more money
00:15:23.960 than my wife.
00:15:25.480 Okay.
00:15:26.460 So, if that's what you believe, you can take one of a couple of different angles.
00:15:30.160 The first angle, the more productive angle, I think, although it's not ideal, but the more
00:15:34.580 productive angle is that you figure out a way to be more valuable so you can make more
00:15:38.400 money and bring that income into the household. 0.98
00:15:40.860 That is a fairly productive outcome.
00:15:44.580 The other scenario is that you sabotage and undermine your wife so that you can make more
00:15:51.140 money than her. 0.84
00:15:52.280 And I would be willing to bet that a lot of men do that.
00:15:55.460 There was a study I read and I can't cite the study or anything like that and I'll probably
00:15:59.660 butcher it here, but you guys will understand the point.
00:16:01.760 The study was that they went to this group of individuals and they said, you know, we can
00:16:06.500 pay you $100,000 and everybody around you will be making, let me think about how this went.
00:16:15.420 And I'm just throwing these numbers out here, but you'll illustrate the point.
00:16:17.960 We can pay you $100,000 and everybody around you will be making more than you.
00:16:27.840 Okay.
00:16:28.240 So they'll be making $120,000 or we'll pay you $80,000, so $20,000 less, but everybody
00:16:37.640 around you is making less than you.
00:16:42.680 Which would you choose?
00:16:43.260 Which one would you want?
00:16:44.680 And the majority of the respondents of the survey said that they would take less money
00:16:50.440 knowing that they're making more than their peers.
00:16:54.680 Crazy, man.
00:16:55.720 It's crazy stuff.
00:16:56.840 And so I think you got to be very careful when you start thinking this way because one
00:17:04.060 alternative and solution to the problem that you've created in your head is that you sabotage
00:17:08.740 and undermine your wife, which ultimately, because you are a team, sabotages and undermines
00:17:13.220 yourself.
00:17:14.500 Yeah.
00:17:16.440 Cool.
00:17:16.980 I may have butchered that survey, but I think you guys understand the point.
00:17:21.200 Yeah.
00:17:21.440 I think it was clear.
00:17:22.360 Yeah.
00:17:22.580 Okay.
00:17:22.960 All right.
00:17:23.300 I was thinking through it.
00:17:24.260 I'm like, what was it now?
00:17:25.060 That makes sense.
00:17:27.020 All right.
00:17:27.340 Ben Harrington.
00:17:29.140 These next few questions are kind of lengthy here, so bear with me, guys.
00:17:34.020 So Ben Harrington, I'd like to hear you give your thoughts on tattoos.
00:17:37.520 More specifically, whether you believe that tattoos are or should be socially acceptable
00:17:42.780 and under what conditions.
00:17:44.540 Sailors and soldiers getting them to mark rites of passage.
00:17:47.300 Mallory warriors getting them upon initiation is an obviously different to Stacey, a 42-year-old
00:17:54.880 soccer mom getting a tramp stamp. 1.00
00:17:57.220 But where does the line lie?
00:17:59.180 Should tattoos be meaningful or are they just fine as decoration or because you wanted one?
00:18:04.400 It's up to you.
00:18:06.100 Yeah.
00:18:06.340 I mean, what right do I have to tell you, Kip, you know, that you shouldn't have that big,
00:18:10.560 ugly tattoo on your ass? 1.00
00:18:11.840 Not that I know or anything.
00:18:13.680 How did you know?
00:18:18.460 What's your take on it, though?
00:18:19.920 I don't have any tattoos.
00:18:21.620 I don't have a single tattoo.
00:18:25.360 But if I want, just because, well, I can't really think of anything that I would permanently
00:18:30.440 want to like put onto my body, number one.
00:18:34.700 And number two, I kind of feel like, I feel like your body is special, right?
00:18:40.960 Like it's really important.
00:18:42.100 I think it's a gift to us.
00:18:43.880 We have been given this gift and I've abused this gift for a lot of years of my life with
00:18:50.100 the junk that I've put into it and the way that I've treated it and the lack of exercise
00:18:53.820 and everything else.
00:18:54.760 I've abused it at points.
00:18:56.020 But I try to be very aware of the gift that I've received.
00:19:00.140 But if it were me and I was going to have a tattoo, then I would want it to be significant.
00:19:06.100 I'd want it to have meaning.
00:19:07.320 I'd want it to have purpose.
00:19:08.720 I'd want it to be a reminder or maybe a lesson or an experience that I want to draw upon that
00:19:14.480 helps me be a better human being.
00:19:16.480 So if you're just going to go out there and put some sort of dumb thing on your shoulder
00:19:20.940 because you lost a bet, I think that's kind of silly, obviously.
00:19:25.580 But teach their own.
00:19:26.740 Now, as far as society being acceptable, should they?
00:19:29.460 Should they not?
00:19:30.280 I would say that we probably should be more acceptable.
00:19:33.900 I mean, facial hair actually falls into the same camp as this.
00:19:37.160 It's not as acceptable to have a big beard like I do as opposed to somebody who's got
00:19:43.220 a completely shaven face, right?
00:19:46.340 So should it be more acceptable?
00:19:48.100 Sure.
00:19:48.480 But I don't really get into the world of shoulds and coulds and maybes and whatever.
00:19:52.240 I just choose to look at it the way life is.
00:19:55.180 And if you're going to have tattoos, just know.
00:19:57.620 Like you're making a decision.
00:19:58.700 Just know that you're going to be judged for it.
00:20:00.360 Probably, it's probably not going to be looked upon highly, frankly, especially in the professional
00:20:05.440 setting.
00:20:06.080 And that's just a decision you have to make.
00:20:07.680 So don't worry about, oh, well, he should have.
00:20:09.760 No, you knew.
00:20:11.280 You knew.
00:20:11.780 So just make a conscious choice and then live with the result of that choice.
00:20:15.440 Well, and I think it's important to realize that, and don't make people wrong for judging
00:20:20.100 you.
00:20:20.440 Like, I love, how do I say this?
00:20:25.760 It drives me mad that we have stereotypes and a lot of stereotypes are backed with evidence
00:20:33.400 of generalizations, right?
00:20:35.920 Based upon the way you dress or if you have tattoos or whatever.
00:20:40.620 And then yet we dress that way.
00:20:42.880 We fit ourselves into a stereotype and then we bitch and moan that people are judging us
00:20:48.020 in a negative way.
00:20:48.640 Like, oh, how dare they think I'm ghetto when I'm walking around like I'm dressed all ghetto,
00:20:53.380 right?
00:20:53.860 Like, hold it.
00:20:54.460 Pants hanging down your butt, you know, your knees or whatever.
00:20:57.180 And yeah.
00:20:57.380 Yeah.
00:20:57.640 You got to own that.
00:20:58.920 So don't get pissed off if people judge you if you decide to put like, you know, I don't
00:21:04.080 know, some crazy ass tattoo on you and get mad at people for judging you for it. 0.65
00:21:11.400 Right.
00:21:11.580 I mean, the reality of it is you're stereotyping yourself by labeling yourselves and should
00:21:15.940 people judge?
00:21:16.600 Of course not.
00:21:17.420 But guess what?
00:21:18.580 Though a lot of stereotypes exist most in most cases for a reason.
00:21:22.200 The judging argument is always a crazy one because people say, oh, you're being judgmental.
00:21:26.720 Well, you're actually judging me for being judgmental.
00:21:28.740 So we all do this.
00:21:30.920 It's a human condition.
00:21:32.100 In fact, it's kept us alive for hundreds of thousands of years.
00:21:35.260 Yeah.
00:21:35.360 So I think there's a line upon which you should be judgy and not judgy.
00:21:39.540 But every single one of us is walking around with our own biases about life.
00:21:43.180 And we're fitting people into those biases.
00:21:46.400 And we're asking ourselves, you're doing it right now when you listen to this podcast.
00:21:50.280 You are literally judging my words and Kip's words and deciding whether or not they're valid
00:21:55.520 and whether or not you feel like we're full of crap or you want to incorporate what we're 0.56
00:21:59.740 saying.
00:22:00.460 So don't give me the judgment thing.
00:22:02.280 Everybody's judging.
00:22:03.260 It's healthy.
00:22:04.200 Can it be taken to the extreme?
00:22:05.620 Of course it can.
00:22:07.280 But yeah, I mean, everybody does this all day, every day.
00:22:11.020 And to say you don't is ridiculous.
00:22:13.720 Yeah, totally.
00:22:14.400 The other part, if you don't mind me chiming in on the tattoo really quick, this is the
00:22:18.540 part of tattoos that bother me is look at teenage kids or even young 20 year olds.
00:22:26.520 And they are, their identities are still, they're trying to figure out their identity.
00:22:31.420 And often they tie their identity to some social circle.
00:22:34.920 Like I always find it interesting that if a kid gets into music heavily, all of a sudden
00:22:41.240 the way they dress changes.
00:22:42.760 Of course.
00:22:43.180 Or, oh, I'm a skateboarding.
00:22:44.940 Now I dress differently.
00:22:46.420 Oh, I listen to this music.
00:22:47.640 Now I dress differently.
00:22:48.580 I'm like, why do you have to dress different?
00:22:50.200 Why can't you listen to heavy metal and dress in a suit?
00:22:55.560 Why?
00:22:57.080 I guess you could.
00:22:58.140 Social identities.
00:22:59.120 Right.
00:22:59.280 But my point being, we're so tied to them.
00:23:01.900 And so my fear, especially being a father of teenage boys is that very thing is that they
00:23:07.640 go, oh, this is cool.
00:23:09.220 These things are cool.
00:23:10.080 I want to get a tattoo on these things.
00:23:11.920 When in reality, those things that they think is cool, they're going to think they are lame.
00:23:16.420 Yeah.
00:23:16.740 In about 10, 15 years.
00:23:19.300 And then you're like, what were you thinking?
00:23:21.060 Right?
00:23:21.420 So that always bothers me because especially when you see people put logos on themselves,
00:23:26.160 I'm like, what are you doing?
00:23:27.880 Unless you put an order a man logo on, that's acceptable. 1.00
00:23:30.680 Actually.
00:23:31.000 Yeah, that's true.
00:23:31.600 You've had a couple of guys do that.
00:23:34.060 That is.
00:23:34.480 And when they do, it has meaning.
00:23:37.260 And they wouldn't do it if it didn't have meaning, I don't think.
00:23:39.020 But my goal is when I see something like that is to always live worthy of that being on
00:23:44.360 a person's body permanently.
00:23:47.520 Yeah.
00:23:48.200 Totally.
00:23:48.860 Interesting question.
00:23:50.180 Yeah.
00:23:50.540 All right.
00:23:51.040 Robert Farmer, I believe in owning firearms to protect my family.
00:23:55.240 I also live in a state that is making it an increasingly difficult to do so.
00:24:00.540 What are your thoughts about the law running directly counter to your personal convictions?
00:24:06.360 Well, I personally believe that every citizen of this country should be able to carry a firearm
00:24:16.000 without any sort of concealed permit or anything like that.
00:24:21.760 I believe that, it's a touchy subject, I believe that certain criminals and criminal activity
00:24:28.500 take away the right for somebody to bear arms because they've made those decisions.
00:24:33.380 I also believe that those who are mentally ill should not have and should not have access 1.00
00:24:37.840 to firearms.
00:24:39.240 I believe that as a individual who carries a firearm typically and has those in my home,
00:24:47.600 that I have a complete and utter responsibility and obligation to make sure those firearms are
00:24:53.640 protected, to make sure that they are taken care of, to make sure that I have training in
00:24:57.880 place to be able to handle this tool.
00:25:00.880 When I see a state or some other municipality or organization frown upon the use of that,
00:25:08.780 I can certainly understand that.
00:25:10.060 But frankly, I believe it's unconstitutional that a state would supersede the United States
00:25:15.440 Constitution and tell an individual they cannot possess, carry, or own a firearm.
00:25:19.720 And I think it should be something that we should all be very, very concerned with.
00:25:23.400 Now, do I think that every person out there should own a firearm?
00:25:27.320 No, I don't believe you have to.
00:25:29.260 I don't think it makes you more or less of a man if you do.
00:25:31.840 I do believe that a firearm can help you be a better protector in certain circumstances
00:25:36.820 and that certainly makes you more manly.
00:25:40.080 But I think all of us, every single one of us, whether you want to carry a firearm or not,
00:25:44.740 should be slightly worried that a government is trying to dictate what it is that we can do.
00:25:50.860 I mean, the same thing goes with marijuana use, which is a hot topic right now.
00:25:55.180 And a lot of people have asked me about that.
00:25:57.100 I believe that all of us can make our own decisions and suffer the consequence of those decisions.
00:26:01.700 Now, when it impacts other people, yes, we have to look into that,
00:26:05.740 which is why I say certain criminals and those with mental disorders or history
00:26:11.220 should be evaluated very closely in order to ensure that they're not getting these tools
00:26:16.820 that would impact and potentially kill other people.
00:26:19.160 But we all ought to be worried when any sort of outside authority comes in
00:26:24.440 and tries to take away individual power and responsibility.
00:26:27.300 That should be a very concerning item for any person that lives in the United States.
00:26:36.260 The end.
00:26:38.060 Done.
00:26:39.800 Joe Crucell, when it comes to being a business owner and having employees,
00:26:44.820 where does an owner draw the line when it comes to helping employees with personal issues
00:26:49.420 that spill into the workplace?
00:26:52.960 Man, it's so varied based on what that circumstance is.
00:26:58.440 But at the end of the day, you know, you've got to put the business first.
00:27:03.240 You do.
00:27:03.920 You've got a business to run.
00:27:05.200 You have other employees that are relying upon you.
00:27:07.380 You're feeding them.
00:27:08.460 You're putting food on their table and giving them a paycheck.
00:27:10.480 And you have customers and clients, too, who are relying upon you.
00:27:15.100 You know, they may be relying upon you for a specific service or value or widget
00:27:19.420 that they need to run their business, which employs other people.
00:27:22.340 And so, there's so many moving parts.
00:27:24.380 And when you have one individual who comes in who refuses to be part of that organization
00:27:28.600 or has the inability to be part of that organization,
00:27:32.320 then you have an obligation and a responsibility to protect the organization
00:27:36.140 and the people that you're working to serve.
00:27:38.040 I won't let anybody, and I don't really care about their circumstance, 1.00
00:27:41.560 come in perpetually and throw wrenches in my system.
00:27:45.040 Now, if they do it once or they're having a personal issue
00:27:48.560 that I can help them get through and get them back on track
00:27:51.860 and get them back integrated into what it is we're doing,
00:27:54.240 I'm more than happy to do that.
00:27:56.060 But there comes a point in time, and I can't tell you what that line is,
00:27:59.040 but there comes a point in time where you need to decide,
00:28:01.200 is this person an added value to my business
00:28:05.080 or have they become a detriment, a hindrance to what it is I'm doing?
00:28:09.180 And the moment you see this individual continue perpetually over and over
00:28:12.500 to become a hindrance to what it is you're doing
00:28:14.660 is the moment that you've got to let that individual go.
00:28:17.380 But I don't think we should also be so rushed and so quick
00:28:20.280 to just put them on the chopping block.
00:28:23.020 I think we do need to be very aware of what it is they're dealing with.
00:28:27.280 I think generally, we should want our employees to win.
00:28:30.760 Not only is it good for them, and it's goodwill,
00:28:33.360 it's human capital, if you will.
00:28:35.920 And I think we're responsible for that as men.
00:28:38.460 But I also think if that doesn't do it for you,
00:28:41.180 I also think it's a good business decision.
00:28:43.740 Because Kip, if I have to let you go
00:28:45.380 because you've got personal issues that you can't keep at home,
00:28:49.000 well, I've got to find somebody else to come in
00:28:50.780 and help me do X, Y, and Z.
00:28:53.060 And there's a huge cost associated with that.
00:28:55.720 I'd rather you have you fix your shit
00:28:57.980 or me help you fix your shit 0.93
00:28:59.680 so that you can get back engaged in the business
00:29:02.220 and do what it is we both want to accomplish.
00:29:05.520 That's the priority for me is
00:29:07.180 let's get you back into the thing, 0.90
00:29:09.600 into the driver's seat so we can get this taken care of,
00:29:11.300 not find ways to get rid of you.
00:29:13.680 Yeah, this reiterates the importance
00:29:15.760 of hiring the right person,
00:29:18.080 aka the right personality.
00:29:19.600 Because here's the part where you can't help them
00:29:23.240 is when they're unwilling to be helped.
00:29:26.160 That's when it's a waste of your time.
00:29:28.940 And that's the kind of person
00:29:30.180 you don't want to be hiring anyway.
00:29:32.220 That is not the right employee.
00:29:34.320 But if you have the right employee
00:29:35.780 and they're struggling in their personal life
00:29:37.720 and you think you can provide coaching and direction
00:29:40.180 to get their personal life in line
00:29:43.240 or provide assistance or whatever,
00:29:45.380 and they will take it,
00:29:46.880 then that's the right person.
00:29:47.920 And it benefits your company.
00:29:49.780 I, you know, my opinion about the definition
00:29:54.060 of work-life balance has drastically changed lately.
00:29:57.300 I think far too often we look at it as a separation.
00:30:02.560 Work doesn't affect my personal life
00:30:04.520 and my personal life doesn't affect my work.
00:30:06.560 Well, guess what?
00:30:07.480 That's not true.
00:30:08.540 That's not true at all.
00:30:09.360 In fact, I was just telling my team this a few months ago.
00:30:11.540 If your physical well-being is not in line
00:30:16.560 and you're out of shape
00:30:18.120 and you're not getting sufficient rest
00:30:20.100 and your diet sucks 0.63
00:30:21.140 and you're not taking care of your body,
00:30:22.400 that affects the business.
00:30:24.960 It really does.
00:30:26.080 It affects your productivity.
00:30:28.020 And when work is bearing down on you
00:30:30.200 and we're overloading you
00:30:32.260 and you're burning out,
00:30:33.880 that's going to affect your marriage.
00:30:36.160 And if your marriage is being affected in a negative way,
00:30:38.840 that affects our work.
00:30:40.060 Like work-life balance is intertwining them,
00:30:44.140 that they support one another.
00:30:45.580 It's not the separation of them.
00:30:47.080 And so any opportunity that I have,
00:30:49.220 me personally,
00:30:50.000 that where I think I can provide assistance to help them,
00:30:52.760 I'll do it in a second.
00:30:54.380 If it's the right personality.
00:30:55.860 But if it's,
00:30:56.580 but we run into these people all the time, right?
00:30:58.640 If some people are unwilling to be helped
00:31:01.000 and to be frank,
00:31:02.640 if I had an employee that was that way,
00:31:04.440 I hired the wrong person.
00:31:06.700 Yeah, I think that.
00:31:07.780 I also think people change over time.
00:31:10.420 I mean, you could hire the right individual
00:31:12.440 and that person goes through some event in their lives
00:31:15.340 or some new stimulus
00:31:17.560 that causes them to think differently
00:31:18.940 or behave differently and things change.
00:31:20.760 And this is why,
00:31:21.500 in addition to hiring the right people,
00:31:23.580 you need to have systems in place for your expectations.
00:31:27.460 Here is what I expect.
00:31:28.560 So those expectations need to be set very clearly.
00:31:31.200 You need to establish boundaries
00:31:32.560 that will not be crossed
00:31:33.640 and consequences, of course, for those boundaries.
00:31:35.840 And you need to have constant review
00:31:37.420 with these individuals as well.
00:31:39.220 Even when they're doing well,
00:31:40.540 I think what most people do is,
00:31:41.940 is they will review when somebody's doing bad.
00:31:44.840 Or has some holes in themselves as an employee,
00:31:48.480 which is important.
00:31:49.420 You need to do that.
00:31:50.500 But if you're not also having reviews
00:31:51.920 when things are going well,
00:31:53.780 like it's not maintaining the goodwill
00:31:55.820 that I'm talking about.
00:31:56.620 These are the deposits.
00:31:57.660 I was talking with a buddy of mine.
00:31:59.620 His son is on the same basketball team as my son.
00:32:02.240 In fact, I coach the team and when I'm gone,
00:32:04.680 he will step in and coach the games for me.
00:32:07.620 And we were talking about this.
00:32:09.060 We were talking about,
00:32:10.200 there has to be some sort of consequence
00:32:12.000 for negative behavior.
00:32:13.500 And that could be among team dynamics
00:32:15.520 or it could be just play in general.
00:32:17.780 There has to be a consequence to poor performance.
00:32:20.340 That's a given.
00:32:21.100 Everybody knows that.
00:32:22.260 But what very few people do,
00:32:23.560 and this is the conversation we're having,
00:32:25.000 is they very rarely reinforce positive habits.
00:32:28.680 And so, I try to make a very, very conscious effort
00:32:32.120 of when one of my players does something good,
00:32:36.860 I try to get their attention and say,
00:32:40.520 hey, good job.
00:32:41.880 That was smart.
00:32:42.760 Or hey, way to hustle
00:32:44.000 or way to grab that rebound 0.97
00:32:45.220 or way to fight for that
00:32:46.180 or way to make a good shot
00:32:47.160 or way to not take that shot.
00:32:48.620 Way to do the pass that you should have done.
00:32:50.760 These are the things that I try to reinforce
00:32:52.260 because we want to also,
00:32:54.080 in addition to discipline and bad behavior,
00:32:56.060 we want to reward positive behavior.
00:32:59.080 It's critical.
00:32:59.860 And I think a lot of people overlook that.
00:33:01.860 You know, I have a good example of this scenario.
00:33:05.160 When I was working during my divorce,
00:33:08.400 the owner of the company grabbed me
00:33:11.320 and he said,
00:33:11.960 hey, I heard you're going through a divorce right now.
00:33:14.840 And I said, yeah.
00:33:15.740 And you know what I mean?
00:33:16.380 He could tell I was a little bit down and out.
00:33:18.040 And he probably even noticed
00:33:19.060 the difference in my demeanor
00:33:21.240 and my energy, you know,
00:33:24.000 around the office and whatnot.
00:33:25.040 And he signed me up to run a marathon
00:33:28.780 in San Francisco with him.
00:33:32.500 I think it was like six months out.
00:33:35.020 And he said, all right,
00:33:35.960 here's the regiment to train for a marathon.
00:33:39.240 I'll pay for the registration.
00:33:41.420 I'll pay for your hotel,
00:33:42.340 your flight to go to the marathon and everything.
00:33:44.320 And that was his way of saying,
00:33:45.980 hey, you need to focus on something else.
00:33:48.320 So let's give you a mission.
00:33:50.460 And it was huge help, huge help.
00:33:52.980 And that's a good example of a boss being in tune
00:33:55.300 and being aware of how to help an employee, right?
00:33:59.000 Through some personal,
00:33:59.740 without even diving into really the nitty gritty details.
00:34:03.300 I mean, and let's be honest,
00:34:04.080 that helps him too, right?
00:34:05.460 Like you can't make these decisions in a vacuum.
00:34:08.560 If I help you be a more productive,
00:34:10.560 efficient, effective, happy, positive person,
00:34:14.220 then naturally that's going to increase my bottom line.
00:34:18.360 That's going to help me.
00:34:19.100 I'm not saying that should be your only motive,
00:34:21.420 but what I am saying is that good begets good, right?
00:34:24.740 Like if you do something well,
00:34:26.420 it's going to produce that sort of fruit.
00:34:29.580 If you don't do something well,
00:34:31.460 it's going to yield zero or bad fruit.
00:34:34.820 So do the right thing for the right reason
00:34:37.120 and know that throughout time,
00:34:38.760 it will yield a good fruit for you.
00:34:43.260 Totally.
00:34:43.880 Okay.
00:34:44.560 Next question.
00:34:45.880 Jared Sengori,
00:34:47.280 how do you balance your to-do list
00:34:50.660 and what you want to do for fun
00:34:52.400 without feeling buried and filled with despair
00:34:54.760 from your to-do list,
00:34:55.960 especially later at night
00:34:57.300 when you can't do some of your tasks?
00:34:59.880 You just got to check stuff off.
00:35:01.640 Hold on.
00:35:02.680 You've got to eliminate things from your list.
00:35:04.880 I was going to say,
00:35:05.420 check them off,
00:35:06.020 but that implies that you're doing them.
00:35:07.260 I'm not saying that.
00:35:08.000 I'm saying you've got to eliminate stuff.
00:35:10.020 Too many of us are just,
00:35:11.520 just up to our eyeballs and activities
00:35:14.240 and this and people pulling on us
00:35:16.580 and I got to go here
00:35:17.300 and I got to drop this off
00:35:18.220 and I got to do this
00:35:18.880 and I got to do that
00:35:19.560 and then we don't have any time
00:35:20.680 to take care of ourselves
00:35:21.520 or any time to take care of
00:35:22.680 what truly matters, our family.
00:35:24.800 So one thing that I've been
00:35:26.000 very, very deliberate about
00:35:27.120 is saying no a whole lot more lately
00:35:28.720 because there's just things that,
00:35:31.420 A, I'm not interested in,
00:35:32.680 B, I shouldn't be doing,
00:35:34.340 C, will stress me out to the max
00:35:35.840 and a whole other host of reasons
00:35:37.600 why I shouldn't be engaged
00:35:38.680 in those activities.
00:35:39.980 Scrub those things from your list.
00:35:41.240 I mean, we walk around
00:35:42.220 saying that busy is a badge of honor.
00:35:44.700 If you go out,
00:35:45.360 do this as an experiment.
00:35:46.840 This afternoon,
00:35:48.000 go out
00:35:48.600 and every individual
00:35:49.800 that you come into contact with,
00:35:51.800 just say,
00:35:52.760 hey, how's it going?
00:35:54.480 And I want you to document
00:35:55.680 how many people say
00:35:56.920 either I'm busy
00:35:58.160 or something to that effect.
00:36:00.020 And I'd be willing to bet
00:36:00.940 that 70, 80, 90%
00:36:02.420 of the people that you encounter
00:36:03.440 are going to say,
00:36:04.620 oh, it's good,
00:36:05.440 but man, I'm just so busy.
00:36:06.840 Oh, wow, it's Christmas time.
00:36:08.160 I'm just so overwhelmed.
00:36:10.340 I'm telling you,
00:36:11.240 document that right now
00:36:12.440 so you can be more deliberate
00:36:13.720 and intentional
00:36:14.260 about understanding
00:36:15.200 that busy isn't the goal.
00:36:16.720 I want to be a lazy piece of garbage,
00:36:19.100 quite honestly.
00:36:20.200 I shouldn't say it like that.
00:36:21.400 I want to be lazy though.
00:36:23.300 Like, I want to be able to get up
00:36:24.740 when I want to get up.
00:36:25.740 I don't want to have a, 1.00
00:36:26.560 have to have a bunch of things to do
00:36:28.180 and a bunch of people pulling on me.
00:36:30.200 My goal
00:36:30.900 is always to produce
00:36:32.700 maximum output
00:36:34.500 for minimum effort.
00:36:36.120 Now, that's not to say
00:36:36.860 I'm going to be lazy.
00:36:37.460 It just means that
00:36:38.180 if I'm going to take
00:36:38.820 a minute doing something,
00:36:40.200 I want that minute
00:36:41.160 to produce the biggest
00:36:42.360 and best result possible.
00:36:44.340 So, if I'm in the gym
00:36:45.480 and people are dinking around
00:36:46.920 and they're talking
00:36:47.540 and they're yapping about
00:36:48.480 what kind of music or whatever
00:36:49.680 or they're overstretching,
00:36:51.520 it's like,
00:36:51.880 what the hell are we doing here?
00:36:52.920 I got an hour.
00:36:55.440 I'm all for stretching
00:36:56.440 but at some point,
00:36:57.340 like,
00:36:57.780 let's go work out
00:36:58.820 and there's been actually
00:37:00.020 multiple times
00:37:00.740 where I've done workouts
00:37:01.800 and in between rounds,
00:37:03.160 I've done something else
00:37:04.160 because everybody's dinking around
00:37:05.500 trying to get their weight
00:37:06.240 shifted around
00:37:06.860 or talk about their newest,
00:37:08.520 you know,
00:37:09.180 shoes,
00:37:09.900 their Metcons 0.81
00:37:10.500 or whatever they have on.
00:37:11.500 I'm like,
00:37:11.720 let's work
00:37:12.280 because I got an hour
00:37:13.960 and these are the people
00:37:16.200 who aren't efficient
00:37:17.340 that complain about,
00:37:18.860 oh,
00:37:18.960 there's just not enough hours
00:37:20.160 in the day
00:37:20.660 for me to do
00:37:21.220 all the things I want to do.
00:37:22.480 Yeah,
00:37:22.920 because you were talking
00:37:23.540 about your shoes
00:37:24.260 and your pants
00:37:24.940 and the weather
00:37:25.840 and the sports
00:37:26.460 when you should have been
00:37:27.220 busting ass in the gym 0.96
00:37:28.700 so that you can focus
00:37:29.760 on busting ass at home 0.79
00:37:31.400 and busting ass in the office 0.94
00:37:32.960 and everywhere else you show up.
00:37:35.420 So,
00:37:35.980 anyone that's ever been
00:37:36.920 to an uprising,
00:37:38.420 this is apparent
00:37:40.640 in Ryan's schedule.
00:37:43.280 Yes.
00:37:44.820 Run.
00:37:45.620 Boom,
00:37:46.140 boom,
00:37:46.400 boom,
00:37:46.680 boom.
00:37:46.920 It's like non-stop.
00:37:48.980 Like,
00:37:49.440 I remember,
00:37:50.880 like,
00:37:51.140 by day one,
00:37:51.900 I felt,
00:37:52.200 man,
00:37:52.740 it feels like
00:37:53.840 we've been here
00:37:54.300 for a week already.
00:37:56.700 That's because
00:37:57.240 what we do in three days
00:37:58.900 is what most people
00:37:59.740 do in a week.
00:38:01.420 Totally.
00:38:02.480 And so,
00:38:03.080 I'm trying to give people
00:38:04.100 another taste
00:38:04.800 of how to operate.
00:38:06.180 Yeah.
00:38:06.600 Like,
00:38:06.700 operate at 100%.
00:38:08.100 If you're at home
00:38:09.420 watching a movie,
00:38:10.580 like,
00:38:11.080 you better be watching
00:38:12.080 the movie
00:38:12.480 the hardest you've ever
00:38:13.380 watched a movie
00:38:13.960 in your entire life.
00:38:14.980 Oh,
00:38:15.160 no,
00:38:15.340 no,
00:38:15.400 no,
00:38:15.440 or fold laundry
00:38:16.700 while you're watching it.
00:38:17.500 There you go.
00:38:17.960 That's what I do.
00:38:19.140 Yeah.
00:38:19.720 Right.
00:38:20.480 Everywhere that you're showing up,
00:38:22.880 you know,
00:38:23.340 one habit I started getting into,
00:38:24.880 and I need to do this more
00:38:25.600 because I've got some fitness goals
00:38:26.660 over the next 90 days,
00:38:28.080 is when we're watching a show,
00:38:29.920 let's say my wife and I,
00:38:30.840 at night,
00:38:31.140 we're watching a show
00:38:31.880 or whatever,
00:38:33.640 every,
00:38:34.040 I'd set my alarm
00:38:34.940 and so every five minutes,
00:38:36.000 I'd have to get up
00:38:36.620 and do,
00:38:37.100 you know,
00:38:37.360 like,
00:38:37.760 10 or 20 burpees.
00:38:39.240 And the next time
00:38:40.040 is like push-ups.
00:38:40.760 And the next time
00:38:41.240 is sit-ups.
00:38:41.960 You don't miss
00:38:42.700 any of the show,
00:38:43.640 by the way,
00:38:43.980 when you do that.
00:38:45.040 Do it at a game.
00:38:46.500 Like,
00:38:46.680 if you're watching the game,
00:38:48.900 you know,
00:38:49.180 every time out
00:38:50.360 or between plays,
00:38:51.460 like,
00:38:51.760 okay,
00:38:51.920 every time they call a time out,
00:38:53.240 I'm going to do 10 burpees.
00:38:54.180 And every turnover,
00:38:55.860 I'm going to do 20 sit-ups.
00:38:57.320 And every,
00:38:58.460 after every single play,
00:39:00.940 I'm going to do
00:39:01.700 10 jumping jacks.
00:39:03.480 And you're not going to miss
00:39:04.840 any of the game,
00:39:05.800 but you're maximizing your time.
00:39:07.780 You've got the time.
00:39:08.660 Use it up.
00:39:09.540 And then you won't have to worry about,
00:39:10.900 where do I blend the time?
00:39:11.840 Because you carve it out.
00:39:14.320 That's funny.
00:39:15.080 I've been doing,
00:39:16.380 not,
00:39:16.640 I stopped actually.
00:39:17.600 I need to start doing it again.
00:39:18.800 But just a couple months ago,
00:39:20.160 I was stretching.
00:39:21.240 I just stretch,
00:39:22.560 nightly stretch.
00:39:23.260 And I do that during scripture reading.
00:39:25.100 So I'm just getting my stretching in,
00:39:26.780 you know,
00:39:26.900 get my hamstrings loosened up.
00:39:28.440 So.
00:39:28.660 I always called it stacking tasks.
00:39:30.640 Yeah.
00:39:31.080 You got to stack tasks.
00:39:32.920 Like,
00:39:33.440 there's no,
00:39:33.980 people say,
00:39:34.660 how do you listen to so much?
00:39:35.560 How do you read so much?
00:39:36.420 How do you get through so many podcasts?
00:39:38.780 Well,
00:39:39.520 when I'm working out
00:39:40.660 or I go for a run
00:39:41.580 or I'm doing,
00:39:42.380 you know,
00:39:42.600 shooting my bow,
00:39:43.500 like those are times where I can,
00:39:45.280 I can do that.
00:39:46.440 Right.
00:39:47.220 So stack your tasks.
00:39:49.320 Cool.
00:39:49.800 All right.
00:39:51.780 Callahan.
00:39:52.860 Vosey.
00:39:53.940 How does someone become more of a man
00:39:56.440 when growing up,
00:39:57.480 there was no effective male role model?
00:40:00.360 My dad is 45 years old
00:40:02.180 and is,
00:40:03.920 and 45 years older than me.
00:40:06.860 And growing up,
00:40:07.580 I saw every other weekend
00:40:08.940 and he didn't teach me anything
00:40:10.860 except pointing out my flaws
00:40:12.680 even to this day.
00:40:14.140 Even to this day.
00:40:15.180 My mom is controlling narcissist. 1.00
00:40:16.760 My brothers and sisters
00:40:18.460 are at least 15 to 25 years older than me
00:40:21.060 and my family on both sides
00:40:22.700 never were close.
00:40:24.280 I deal daily with two voices in my head.
00:40:27.320 The first one,
00:40:28.340 be polite and nice.
00:40:29.440 Don't upset anyone.
00:40:30.480 And the second,
00:40:31.140 you need to tell them to fuck off.
00:40:33.360 I have applied for,
00:40:34.520 did I say that?
00:40:35.660 And we just went explicit,
00:40:37.180 didn't we?
00:40:37.980 Now the voice podcast episode is.
00:40:40.000 You turned podcast into explicit
00:40:42.020 long,
00:40:42.480 a long time ago.
00:40:43.780 Well,
00:40:44.180 I was just quoting.
00:40:46.400 I have applied for my local law enforcement,
00:40:49.020 but I feel my nice guy personality
00:40:50.820 and me not knowing how to assert myself
00:40:53.320 might hinder my chances.
00:40:55.600 I also don't want to raise my son
00:40:57.200 to have the same issues I'm having
00:40:59.040 when he's my age,
00:41:00.340 26.
00:41:01.120 Maybe you can help.
00:41:02.180 I apologize for the length.
00:41:04.820 All right.
00:41:06.220 Well,
00:41:07.520 here,
00:41:07.900 let me just give you one little thing.
00:41:09.420 Why are you saying sorry?
00:41:10.700 Like you just said,
00:41:13.220 I'm sorry for the length.
00:41:14.780 That's one thing that you can do right now
00:41:16.740 is stop apologizing for your behavior.
00:41:19.180 If you don't like your behavior,
00:41:20.720 change it.
00:41:21.220 Don't apologize about it.
00:41:22.240 Just change it.
00:41:23.580 People say,
00:41:24.060 oh,
00:41:24.220 he can't just change.
00:41:24.980 He doesn't know he can change.
00:41:26.160 Everybody can change simply because they want to.
00:41:28.880 So stop apologizing.
00:41:29.960 Number one.
00:41:30.680 Okay.
00:41:30.800 That that's how you become more assertive.
00:41:32.420 If you're going to do something,
00:41:33.680 then say,
00:41:34.240 yeah,
00:41:34.320 I did it.
00:41:34.880 And even if you mess up,
00:41:35.980 say,
00:41:36.260 yeah,
00:41:37.220 yeah,
00:41:37.500 I did that wrong.
00:41:38.680 I messed up.
00:41:39.260 I'm sorry,
00:41:40.440 but that was my fault.
00:41:41.840 Like own it.
00:41:43.680 There's so many guys who apologize for every little thing.
00:41:46.060 Oh,
00:41:46.180 I'm sorry.
00:41:46.520 I took too long.
00:41:47.060 Oh,
00:41:47.160 I'm sorry.
00:41:47.500 I rambled.
00:41:48.120 Oh,
00:41:48.380 I'm sorry.
00:41:48.800 I didn't say things the way you wanted to know.
00:41:50.740 Stop saying sorry,
00:41:51.560 or just don't do that behavior.
00:41:52.880 You can pick one of those things.
00:41:54.960 Now there's a lot to break down and unpack here.
00:41:57.440 How do you become more of a man when you didn't have that example?
00:42:00.240 Find examples.
00:42:01.800 Find people.
00:42:03.080 You know,
00:42:03.240 you're listening to this podcast.
00:42:04.180 You're listening to me and Kip.
00:42:05.880 There's other people in your area.
00:42:07.140 There's people you admire and respect who are manly.
00:42:09.260 Spend time with them,
00:42:10.060 engage with them,
00:42:10.660 interact with them,
00:42:11.700 find ways to be around those individuals that push,
00:42:14.220 motivate,
00:42:14.620 inspire you,
00:42:15.200 and lift you up.
00:42:16.060 And then how do you become a man?
00:42:17.540 You do manly things.
00:42:20.000 And I've said that before and people are like,
00:42:21.600 well,
00:42:21.740 what does that mean?
00:42:22.820 No,
00:42:23.480 here's what you do for manly things.
00:42:25.580 You exercise,
00:42:27.380 you eat right,
00:42:29.080 you take calculated risks,
00:42:31.400 you exert yourself,
00:42:32.660 you do hard things,
00:42:35.440 you shoot guns,
00:42:36.860 you drive fast cars,
00:42:38.540 and people say,
00:42:39.280 oh,
00:42:39.380 that's toxic masculinity. 1.00
00:42:40.440 No,
00:42:40.640 it isn't.
00:42:41.900 Those are the things that fire us up.
00:42:43.980 They get us going because they pose an element of risk.
00:42:46.460 They pose an element of potential reward.
00:42:48.760 They get all of our,
00:42:49.780 our,
00:42:50.040 our,
00:42:50.400 our hormones and,
00:42:51.880 and our biology all fired up and,
00:42:53.980 and running on all four,
00:42:55.220 eight cylinders or whatever it is.
00:42:56.980 Like,
00:42:57.340 these are the things that drive and propel us and motivate us.
00:43:01.220 So go out there and eat meat and shoot guns and,
00:43:04.540 and take risk and everything else.
00:43:07.260 It's on the testosterone booster shirt,
00:43:09.240 exercise,
00:43:10.120 lift really,
00:43:11.000 really heavy.
00:43:11.960 I'm going to grab this book.
00:43:13.800 It's called master your testosterone.
00:43:16.400 Anyways,
00:43:16.620 I'm going to have the author on,
00:43:18.000 on the podcast to talk about this stuff,
00:43:19.760 but you've got to elevate your,
00:43:21.000 you've got to elevate your testosterone.
00:43:22.720 Well,
00:43:22.840 one other thing is compete,
00:43:24.660 compete.
00:43:24.980 And also this is what the data suggests compete and win competition boost
00:43:30.900 testosterone winning boosted even more.
00:43:34.000 So find ways to be a winner.
00:43:35.900 Anyways,
00:43:36.300 that's,
00:43:36.900 that's a little bit of a rant there,
00:43:38.920 but,
00:43:39.280 oh,
00:43:39.920 and then the last thing I would say,
00:43:41.060 as far as like,
00:43:41.800 how do you not be so nice?
00:43:43.620 There's so much material out there.
00:43:45.040 There's no more Mr.
00:43:45.960 Nice guy by Robert Glover.
00:43:47.920 There's not nice by Dr.
00:43:50.680 Aziz.
00:43:51.540 There's the assertiveness workbook,
00:43:53.540 which is an actual,
00:43:54.520 workbook that you can go through and work through and,
00:43:57.440 and improve your ability to not be so passive and be more assertive in your
00:44:02.200 communication.
00:44:03.340 All of these resources are very,
00:44:04.960 very valuable.
00:44:05.680 And maybe you have something to share while you do.
00:44:07.600 I'm just going to grab that book so guys can see it real quick,
00:44:09.640 but go ahead.
00:44:10.160 I'm listening.
00:44:10.980 Yeah.
00:44:11.140 The only thing that I would add to this is he had two voices in his head,
00:44:15.460 be polite,
00:44:16.680 be nice,
00:44:17.900 don't upset anyone.
00:44:18.680 And then this other idea of telling everyone to screw off.
00:44:21.680 I think at the root of that is confidence.
00:44:26.580 I think you need to be clear in regard,
00:44:29.560 in regards of the man you are or the man that you choose to be and what is
00:44:34.700 valuable to you and you not apologizing for it.
00:44:38.060 So I think sometimes we have a tendency to kind of be that Mr.
00:44:42.780 Nice guy,
00:44:43.200 because why,
00:44:43.860 what's our objective when you're in Mr.
00:44:45.600 Nice guy,
00:44:46.500 make other people happy.
00:44:47.860 That's your focus as an individual.
00:44:50.140 Well,
00:44:50.520 guess what?
00:44:50.980 Your focus shouldn't be that your focus should be based upon values,
00:44:54.900 principles,
00:44:55.520 something far greater than yourself.
00:44:57.600 And it shouldn't be about other people and making other people happy.
00:45:00.820 So can I interject on that Kip and then give it back to you here for a 0.95
00:45:04.360 second?
00:45:04.580 Cause that's a really important distinction.
00:45:06.140 Cause Dr.
00:45:06.960 Glover talks about a lot of people talk about this and the idea of being not,
00:45:10.260 you know,
00:45:10.600 not,
00:45:10.900 not being so nice.
00:45:12.860 Is that when you say that about helping other people,
00:45:16.800 people will say,
00:45:17.400 well,
00:45:17.500 I want to be helpful.
00:45:18.440 Like,
00:45:18.780 I feel like I want to help them and I want them to succeed.
00:45:21.480 And yes,
00:45:21.880 there's an element of that,
00:45:22.840 but when it's taken to the extreme,
00:45:24.660 it's actually selfish.
00:45:25.920 You're not actually,
00:45:27.480 your motive isn't to help them.
00:45:29.100 Your motive is to prop yourself up.
00:45:31.760 Yeah.
00:45:32.040 So you're actually being nice technically,
00:45:34.640 but you're actually the underlying cause is selfishness.
00:45:38.160 I want to feel good.
00:45:39.720 I want to feel accepted.
00:45:41.140 I want to belong.
00:45:42.600 And so I'm going to do everything I can to be nice.
00:45:45.200 This is the whole idea of like white knighting,
00:45:47.600 you know,
00:45:48.220 it's like these guys will come in and rescue these women who don't actually
00:45:51.100 need to be rescued and they're doing it.
00:45:52.580 So hopefully,
00:45:53.180 I don't know,
00:45:53.520 they get laid or they get attention from women.
00:45:55.940 It's for themselves.
00:45:57.080 It's not for the people that they're pretending to serve.
00:46:00.560 Sorry.
00:46:00.840 I needed to interject that,
00:46:01.900 but no,
00:46:02.360 no,
00:46:02.480 that was perfect.
00:46:03.240 And I was,
00:46:04.000 I was wrapped up anyway.
00:46:05.060 So that's good.
00:46:06.120 Do you get your book?
00:46:07.240 Oh yeah.
00:46:07.540 Yeah.
00:46:07.680 Yeah.
00:46:07.840 Got it.
00:46:08.740 Master your tea right there.
00:46:10.060 So pretty good book.
00:46:11.540 I'm pretty in depth.
00:46:12.540 Christopher Walker wrote this book.
00:46:14.720 We've done a couple other,
00:46:16.040 I don't know if there,
00:46:16.580 that's probably better.
00:46:17.280 We've done a couple of other podcasts and things like that on testosterone,
00:46:21.120 but we're going to have him on the,
00:46:22.440 on the podcast before long.
00:46:23.540 So cool to check out.
00:46:25.660 All right.
00:46:26.320 Alan chemists.
00:46:27.160 I have no problem with my woman having friends, 0.78
00:46:29.900 my woman,
00:46:30.980 my woman having friends that are male.
00:46:33.360 Why does she have a problem with me having female friends? 1.00
00:46:36.520 My friendships with women I have known for years are crumbling because I am
00:46:40.280 not,
00:46:40.780 I am not to talk to them.
00:46:43.140 Is this a normal behavior?
00:46:46.080 I don't,
00:46:46.880 I don't know if it's normal.
00:46:48.300 I think there's definitely some issues within your relationship.
00:46:50.700 I don't have like female friends that I hang out with by design. 0.98
00:46:55.600 There's females that I'm friendly with that I know and like, 1.00
00:46:59.860 and maybe would have a conversation,
00:47:01.420 but I certainly don't hang out with them because that puts me in a position
00:47:04.340 that I'm not really frankly interested in being in.
00:47:07.120 So I'm very,
00:47:08.400 very cautious about that.
00:47:10.480 But I think you guys have like some possessive issues.
00:47:14.400 Just hearing you,
00:47:15.300 he's like my woman and,
00:47:16.960 and I'm not,
00:47:18.000 I can't talk to other,
00:47:19.420 I can't talk to other women. 1.00
00:47:20.920 So like she's being possessive of you. 0.90
00:47:22.560 You're being possessive of her and it's not healthy.
00:47:25.400 It's not healthy.
00:47:26.580 So I don't know.
00:47:28.160 I mean,
00:47:28.400 you need to have some conversations about it,
00:47:30.580 but my wife's on the same page. 0.99
00:47:32.860 Like she doesn't have male friends that she goes and hangs out with.
00:47:36.360 It's a recipe for disaster.
00:47:38.000 And I know there's going to be people who email me and say,
00:47:40.300 I have this friend for 20 years.
00:47:42.060 That's great.
00:47:42.840 You know what?
00:47:43.400 If you're the exception to that rule,
00:47:45.260 congratulations.
00:47:45.820 But you're few and far between.
00:47:48.020 And you're putting yourself in the potential for cheating on your spouse,
00:47:53.060 the potential for it looking bad.
00:47:55.200 And there being rumors.
00:47:57.360 There's all kinds of things that can happen from that.
00:47:59.500 So I am under the mindset that you should probably be cautious on who your
00:48:05.020 friends are of the opposite sex.
00:48:08.580 I'm just not interested in setting myself up that way.
00:48:10.940 But in the meantime,
00:48:12.400 yeah,
00:48:13.080 I think you guys need to come up with some clear expectations of what is
00:48:16.400 acceptable behavior between both of you and what is not acceptable behavior.
00:48:20.020 But it sounds like there's a real breakdown between communication and the
00:48:23.580 double standard that's being presented.
00:48:25.440 Yeah.
00:48:25.520 And I think there's huge danger in this idea of this normal behavior.
00:48:30.720 Guess what,
00:48:31.220 dude?
00:48:31.700 Every relationship is not normal.
00:48:33.760 Every relationship is different.
00:48:35.660 Your woman,
00:48:36.380 if it's your wife,
00:48:37.300 guess what?
00:48:38.040 You've married her.
00:48:39.800 And maybe she has a history.
00:48:42.320 She's dealt with shit men that's cheated on her. 1.00
00:48:45.740 And guess what?
00:48:46.440 Guess what you have to deal with?
00:48:48.500 Is proving her otherwise.
00:48:50.360 And that might be your lot a little bit.
00:48:52.500 And so what's best for you is for you to figure out what's best for your relationship.
00:48:57.680 Based upon my insecurities and based upon hers in compromising,
00:49:01.800 having communication about what's best for your marriage.
00:49:03.840 But you can't go ask Ryan and say,
00:49:06.320 well,
00:49:06.440 Ryan,
00:49:06.740 what are you guys doing?
00:49:08.800 Your wife is entirely different than his wife. 0.99
00:49:12.020 Like it doesn't matter what we're doing.
00:49:14.580 What matters is what works for you and her.
00:49:16.840 And to be frank,
00:49:18.940 I think there's huge power in you not making her wrong for her.
00:49:22.560 Not what you being around other women, 1.00
00:49:24.320 like maybe understand why.
00:49:26.640 Ask her why.
00:49:27.720 And then figure out what is it that you need to do to be able to allow that to happen.
00:49:31.780 You know,
00:49:32.080 and then you have to,
00:49:33.200 you're going to have the tough conversation to saying,
00:49:35.320 is your girlfriends worth it?
00:49:38.300 You're right.
00:49:38.680 Your friends that are girls,
00:49:39.680 is it worth it?
00:49:40.620 Losing them for the sake of the woman in which you love?
00:49:43.600 Right.
00:49:43.680 Maybe it is,
00:49:44.320 man.
00:49:44.420 Maybe that's the price you're going to have to pay.
00:49:46.840 That's a good point.
00:49:47.320 I mean,
00:49:47.480 we all have decisions to make and not all of them are awesome.
00:49:50.040 Right?
00:49:50.540 Like not all of them are like,
00:49:52.220 well,
00:49:52.300 if I do this,
00:49:52.880 this will be great.
00:49:53.420 And I do this,
00:49:53.980 then this one will be great.
00:49:54.820 Sometimes they're both not great.
00:49:56.660 And so you,
00:49:58.220 they're not,
00:49:58.520 I shouldn't say not great.
00:49:59.660 Sometimes they just,
00:50:00.460 they aren't ideal.
00:50:02.200 And that's fine.
00:50:03.380 You know,
00:50:03.620 you make a decision based on what you feel is best and you deal with it.
00:50:09.420 Yeah.
00:50:09.640 And as always,
00:50:10.300 we talk about this all the time.
00:50:11.440 There's,
00:50:11.760 there's power in owning it.
00:50:13.340 So what's one way that you can own this?
00:50:16.020 Well,
00:50:16.660 she doesn't trust you.
00:50:19.580 Could you be leveling up your,
00:50:21.460 your way of,
00:50:22.640 of who you are in the relationship more than you are now to help prove that you are,
00:50:27.200 you know,
00:50:27.560 is,
00:50:27.880 is she hesitant to have you hang out with other women because of a disconnect?
00:50:32.040 I got to push back on that a little bit though.
00:50:33.840 I'm thinking about this as you're saying it like,
00:50:35.540 yeah,
00:50:36.400 it could be considered a trust issue,
00:50:38.400 but not always.
00:50:41.440 Yeah.
00:50:41.920 I don't think that's always the case.
00:50:43.340 But I still think there's value in the value in saying,
00:50:45.460 Hey,
00:50:45.580 what,
00:50:45.960 what part of my plane in this?
00:50:47.580 That it,
00:50:48.060 no,
00:50:48.240 that's true.
00:50:48.860 I a hundred percent agree with that.
00:50:50.300 I just want to be very cautious of saying like,
00:50:52.160 well,
00:50:52.340 it's just that she doesn't trust you.
00:50:54.360 That's true.
00:50:54.860 Might be it,
00:50:55.880 but,
00:50:56.320 but it could be just,
00:50:57.660 I'm not going to have my,
00:50:58.540 I'm not,
00:50:59.140 I'm not going to have my wife go hang out with her dude. 1.00
00:51:03.580 Not because I don't trust her,
00:51:04.940 but because that puts her and me and everybody else in a position that we're just not interested in being in.
00:51:09.840 Yeah.
00:51:10.560 So,
00:51:10.960 you know,
00:51:11.880 if she wants to do that stuff,
00:51:13.620 then we're going to have some serious conversations because that is an expectation and a standard I have.
00:51:19.320 And,
00:51:19.440 and we can get on the same page or not,
00:51:21.440 but there's going to be serious conversations about those types of things.
00:51:24.420 And it has nothing to do with trust as much as it does with,
00:51:26.960 you know,
00:51:27.520 how,
00:51:28.180 how does she protect herself in that situation? 0.80
00:51:31.100 If I'm not,
00:51:31.800 or,
00:51:31.900 you know,
00:51:32.060 like there's all,
00:51:32.600 there's all kinds of ramifications of that outside of the scope of trust.
00:51:36.360 Yeah,
00:51:36.660 that's a good point.
00:51:37.560 That's a good point.
00:51:38.300 But I do agree with you that there is some ownership to that,
00:51:41.280 which frankly could just mean an open dialogue and keeping those lines of communication open or including her.
00:51:48.400 Like,
00:51:48.900 look,
00:51:49.140 if you've got friends that are girls and that's the,
00:51:51.380 route you're going to go and that's works for you.
00:51:53.280 Why,
00:51:53.760 why aren't you including her?
00:51:54.760 Maybe they could be her girlfriends too.
00:51:56.920 Yeah,
00:51:57.180 totally.
00:51:58.560 Anyways.
00:51:59.760 All right.
00:52:01.080 Samuel Radkin.
00:52:02.860 How are we doing on time,
00:52:03.760 by the way?
00:52:04.160 I think we've,
00:52:04.880 let's maybe take a handful more or so.
00:52:06.720 Yeah,
00:52:07.000 sounds good.
00:52:07.440 Okay.
00:52:07.740 All right.
00:52:08.360 All right.
00:52:08.820 Samuel Radkin.
00:52:09.760 When do you know if a relationship with your father is not worth saving anymore?
00:52:13.600 My father and mother divorced when I was three and my dad fell into two decade long depression and alcohol abuse.
00:52:19.760 He was never there for me and time and time again chose the bottle over me.
00:52:24.480 Countless times he would apologize and say he would change,
00:52:27.340 but that was never the case.
00:52:29.280 Here I am at 26 and he's still struggling with his addiction.
00:52:32.340 I want to forgive him and have a relationship with him so that he can in turn have a relationship with his grandchildren one day.
00:52:39.420 But I fear he will never change.
00:52:41.600 And in turn,
00:52:42.260 I fear that I will to make these mistakes as a father.
00:52:46.700 That I fear that I will to make these mistakes as a father.
00:52:50.380 Is it the main reason I've waited so long to try and have a kid?
00:52:53.860 I didn't have that strong father in my house,
00:52:55.780 so I may not be able to be one.
00:52:57.580 I don't know.
00:53:01.740 I mean,
00:53:02.200 you probably know the line,
00:53:04.220 right?
00:53:04.480 Like you're asking it,
00:53:05.340 you're probably snugging up against that line.
00:53:07.180 I will say one thing is you said that he chose the bottle over you.
00:53:12.860 I don't even really think that's the case.
00:53:15.220 I think if it was presented with two choices,
00:53:18.100 sitting on the table and you were standing there
00:53:19.760 and on the table was a bottle of alcohol,
00:53:21.760 I don't think you would choose that bottle of alcohol.
00:53:23.900 I just think that because my dad was in a similar situation
00:53:27.860 and I don't feel that way.
00:53:29.320 I don't feel like if he was tasked with one or the other
00:53:32.120 that he would pick the alcohol.
00:53:34.720 I just feel like he thought maybe he could have both.
00:53:37.360 That he could continue down that path
00:53:39.120 and at the same time,
00:53:40.280 keep the relationship with my mother and me and my sister.
00:53:42.880 And that proved to be not possible.
00:53:46.880 So I think there's some things you got to come to terms with there
00:53:50.020 and be a little bit more realistic about that
00:53:52.320 and maybe offer some leniency.
00:53:54.640 My dad passed away about a year, year and a half ago now.
00:53:59.200 And there's some things that I wish I would have given him
00:54:02.600 the opportunity to apologize.
00:54:04.540 I don't feel like I gave him a fair shake.
00:54:07.340 I think there's things that he felt bad about making.
00:54:10.240 I felt like he made some poor choices.
00:54:13.280 I think he would agree with that as well.
00:54:15.360 But I think I could have extended a little bit more leniency
00:54:18.600 and certainly forgiveness.
00:54:19.560 And by the way, forgiveness doesn't mean you need to keep
00:54:22.660 teeing yourself up for abuse,
00:54:24.440 whether that's physical, mental, or emotional abuse.
00:54:26.400 It just means that I'm going to let go of this
00:54:28.440 so that I can move on with my life.
00:54:31.100 And you might be to that point now.
00:54:33.000 You might be to the point where you can forgive your father
00:54:35.880 and you can realize that he made some poor choices,
00:54:39.440 just like you have,
00:54:40.660 and just like I have,
00:54:41.500 and Kip, just like you have.
00:54:42.580 And realize that this is an individual who is a human being
00:54:47.060 and we make dumb choices at times
00:54:49.500 and we get sucked into addiction
00:54:50.900 and everything else that we deal with.
00:54:53.080 And so offer that a little bit of mercy, if you will.
00:54:59.360 I don't know if that's the right word,
00:55:00.480 but offer a little mercy and say,
00:55:02.200 you know, I forgive you.
00:55:04.720 Now, here are my standards.
00:55:07.360 Here are my expectations.
00:55:08.500 We can call, we can have conversations,
00:55:11.420 we can go out as a family.
00:55:13.460 When you come over,
00:55:14.780 you aren't to have alcohol over here.
00:55:16.780 If I realize that you're drunk during an outing
00:55:19.240 and I see that and you're around my kids,
00:55:21.720 the outing is over.
00:55:22.960 You are excused from the outing
00:55:24.620 or we will excuse ourselves.
00:55:26.660 But there's some very clear boundaries
00:55:28.600 that need to be set
00:55:29.460 if you feel like you want to continue a relationship.
00:55:34.040 And as soon as those boundaries are breached,
00:55:35.820 you need to uphold the standard
00:55:38.500 by fulfilling the obligation
00:55:41.280 of keeping those standards in place.
00:55:47.580 That's what I've got.
00:55:48.620 That's a tough one.
00:55:49.380 Really tough one.
00:55:50.360 It is tough.
00:55:51.480 I think the boundaries are obviously critical.
00:55:53.920 You don't want to create an environment
00:55:55.000 where you're putting your family
00:55:57.980 or yourself in harm's way.
00:55:59.640 Of course.
00:56:00.200 Emotionally or physically,
00:56:01.100 that's a given, I think.
00:56:02.080 Um, but I also think that it's folly
00:56:05.680 for you to base your relationship with him
00:56:08.800 and your forgiveness of him
00:56:11.020 based upon him changing.
00:56:14.180 You know what?
00:56:15.400 Accepting for the man he is,
00:56:16.840 for the addict he is,
00:56:18.620 and choose actually loving for that.
00:56:21.180 Like, you don't have to accept it.
00:56:22.920 You don't have to agree with it.
00:56:24.420 But you can't,
00:56:25.780 I don't think you should put a condition
00:56:27.920 on like, oh, why forgiving?
00:56:29.860 But I don't think he'll ever change.
00:56:31.480 Guess what, man?
00:56:32.060 He may never change.
00:56:32.900 He might not.
00:56:33.520 Right.
00:56:33.760 Yeah.
00:56:34.120 So, you know what?
00:56:34.840 Are you okay with accepting him the way he is?
00:56:37.760 And actually give some sympathy
00:56:39.500 and have some empathy.
00:56:41.260 Get the fact that if you were him
00:56:43.360 and you were raised the same way
00:56:45.100 that he was raised,
00:56:46.320 you would make the same damn decisions.
00:56:48.780 So, have some empathy.
00:56:50.220 And most importantly,
00:56:51.840 do your part in the relationship.
00:56:53.680 So, then that way when he passes
00:56:55.360 and he goes on,
00:56:56.640 that you know you did your part.
00:56:57.780 That you didn't leave him high and dry
00:57:00.820 when he needed to know that he was loved
00:57:02.800 regardless of his addiction.
00:57:05.760 Now, that's hard
00:57:06.720 and we got to be really careful
00:57:07.840 to set those boundaries, right?
00:57:09.300 Because we don't,
00:57:10.000 well, once again,
00:57:10.480 we don't want to put our families
00:57:11.460 in harm's way.
00:57:12.120 But, man, you know,
00:57:13.320 take the higher road.
00:57:14.660 And I think there's ways
00:57:15.780 that we can make sure that we love,
00:57:18.820 that we express love,
00:57:20.080 that we express forgiveness
00:57:21.360 and caring
00:57:22.040 without participating, right?
00:57:24.620 Or enabling.
00:57:25.940 And that's our way of doing our part
00:57:28.280 and letting them know
00:57:29.120 that they're loved and cared for.
00:57:32.660 There you go.
00:57:33.680 I would just say,
00:57:34.880 and I think you and I are in agreement
00:57:36.660 for the most part,
00:57:37.760 but I would just say
00:57:38.580 that there might be some behavior
00:57:41.000 that you aren't willing to accept.
00:57:43.900 Yeah.
00:57:44.400 And that's okay too.
00:57:45.840 Yeah.
00:57:46.180 I don't know who he is
00:57:49.240 or his behavior
00:57:50.160 and I won't even pretend to know,
00:57:51.880 but there are certain lines
00:57:53.400 that people in my life
00:57:55.840 would potentially cross
00:57:57.140 that they would not have access
00:58:00.140 to me or my family at all.
00:58:02.460 Yeah.
00:58:02.600 The boundary is a wall.
00:58:05.480 Right.
00:58:05.840 Where the other boundary
00:58:07.040 is no drinking, right?
00:58:08.240 Right.
00:58:08.600 And so, as long as that is communicated
00:58:11.140 and that expectation is clear,
00:58:12.720 I think that's a healthy way to operate
00:58:16.180 is to have those boundaries
00:58:17.600 and those boundaries are going to vary
00:58:18.920 based on the situation.
00:58:20.940 Yeah.
00:58:21.260 And I have to say this,
00:58:23.400 I think the most powerful way
00:58:24.560 for Samuel to forgive his father
00:58:26.200 is to understand and have empathy
00:58:28.540 and just get the fact that,
00:58:30.420 you know,
00:58:31.420 that there's more to the scenario
00:58:33.400 and often we hurt those we love.
00:58:37.040 We do it.
00:58:37.680 I do it.
00:58:38.940 Your father does it.
00:58:40.480 Everyone does it.
00:58:41.220 When we hurt those we love,
00:58:43.200 we didn't,
00:58:44.340 our actions weren't to hurt them.
00:58:46.200 That was the result of some other action.
00:58:48.680 That was seldom the intention.
00:58:51.440 And so,
00:58:52.320 we have a lot of innocent bystanders
00:58:54.200 when we make poor decisions in life.
00:58:56.080 So, yeah.
00:58:57.340 Cool.
00:58:57.900 Let's maybe take one or two more, Kip.
00:58:59.720 Okay.
00:59:00.760 Sean Peschel.
00:59:02.860 Peschel.
00:59:03.280 His question is,
00:59:06.300 I'm scrolling the wrong way.
00:59:08.240 What are your views on preparation versus action?
00:59:12.080 I can answer this for Ryan.
00:59:14.100 I already know.
00:59:14.480 Let's hear it.
00:59:14.820 What would you say my answer would be?
00:59:17.060 I'm curious about this.
00:59:18.640 Act.
00:59:19.180 Stop thinking about it.
00:59:20.300 Just do it.
00:59:21.760 Next question.
00:59:22.680 It's true.
00:59:23.800 Because nobody,
00:59:25.280 oh, look.
00:59:27.220 Let me think about how I want to say this.
00:59:29.260 Very few people overact.
00:59:34.400 Well said.
00:59:35.540 Well said.
00:59:35.760 Right?
00:59:36.300 But everybody overthinks.
00:59:40.340 Yeah.
00:59:41.260 So, if you're going to err on one side or the other,
00:59:44.920 err on the side that you're not accustomed to going,
00:59:47.600 which is overaction.
00:59:50.180 That's why my wife likes you, by the way. 1.00
00:59:52.340 We had the conversation.
00:59:53.840 We had this conversation the other day.
00:59:55.580 I can't remember.
00:59:57.240 No, she's like, 0.89
00:59:58.300 oh, so did you guys talk about doing a YouTube version of the podcast?
01:00:02.980 I'm like, no.
01:00:03.820 I'm like,
01:00:04.260 we had our call and he says,
01:00:06.280 hop on Zoom.
01:00:07.020 And then he goes,
01:00:07.700 we're going to record it.
01:00:09.400 And she's like,
01:00:10.060 he didn't even tell you?
01:00:11.420 And I'm like,
01:00:11.920 no, we just did it.
01:00:13.020 And she's like,
01:00:14.200 well, that's because you overanalyze stuff and he just takes action.
01:00:17.080 He's my kind of guy.
01:00:19.220 Because that's how she is.
01:00:20.420 She's the same way.
01:00:21.160 She's just like,
01:00:21.700 let's just do it.
01:00:22.840 And I'm like,
01:00:23.200 no, no, no, no.
01:00:23.680 Let's plan.
01:00:24.380 Hold on.
01:00:24.740 Hold on.
01:00:25.340 Yeah.
01:00:25.720 Well, but again,
01:00:26.620 I mean,
01:00:26.860 this comes back to like,
01:00:28.180 my move to Maine.
01:00:28.820 Like you don't want to be reckless either.
01:00:30.440 All right.
01:00:30.880 We're in the financial position to do it.
01:00:33.380 We have friends there.
01:00:34.760 We understand the goal.
01:00:36.300 We have some objectives.
01:00:37.620 So it isn't like I haven't thought about it.
01:00:40.340 Yeah.
01:00:41.120 Right.
01:00:41.360 It just means that I'm always going to err.
01:00:44.140 I hope I'm always going to err on the side of taking action.
01:00:47.520 I did that when we did the uprisings.
01:00:49.240 The very first one,
01:00:50.780 I didn't have anybody sign up for that thing.
01:00:52.920 And I dropped thousands and thousands of dollars to secure the location
01:00:55.980 and not a soul signed up.
01:00:58.240 And so what's the worst that can happen?
01:00:59.540 I'm out a couple thousand dollars.
01:01:00.860 That sucks.
01:01:02.100 I don't want to lose a couple thousand dollars,
01:01:04.040 but I'd rather lose a couple thousand dollars than never take action.
01:01:08.120 And like we talked about,
01:01:08.960 I think on our Ask Me Anything last week,
01:01:10.820 where I'm the guy who's delivering fences to people
01:01:14.060 and like wishing that I could have that individual's life.
01:01:17.700 You can have that individual's life.
01:01:19.340 It just requires action.
01:01:20.640 So I think the line to answer this maybe a little bit more clearly
01:01:26.220 is when preparation is hindering action.
01:01:31.220 See,
01:01:31.820 preparation isn't,
01:01:33.100 it isn't the goal.
01:01:34.740 Like nobody said,
01:01:37.000 I want to be the best preparer ever.
01:01:39.000 I guess unless you,
01:01:40.020 maybe you're like a prepper or something like that.
01:01:41.560 Right.
01:01:41.940 But nobody ever said,
01:01:43.560 I want to be like the best at preparation.
01:01:46.860 What people say is,
01:01:48.060 I want to be the best blank.
01:01:50.260 Like,
01:01:50.520 I want to be the best podcaster.
01:01:52.380 I want to be the best father.
01:01:53.940 I want to be the best business owner.
01:01:55.740 I want to be the best,
01:01:57.440 whatever.
01:01:59.240 And if you're preparing in that,
01:02:02.280 keeps you from being the best performer of that action.
01:02:06.160 That's a problem.
01:02:07.260 That's the line.
01:02:08.800 Now,
01:02:08.980 if it's moving you towards action,
01:02:10.820 that's different.
01:02:12.300 And only you can answer that.
01:02:13.580 You know,
01:02:13.920 if you're dragging your feet and you know,
01:02:15.740 if you're actually doing it in a healthy manner,
01:02:17.520 but I would always say err on the side of taking action
01:02:20.980 because nobody does.
01:02:22.420 And I think action is a form of preparation.
01:02:24.520 We have a tendency to think that,
01:02:26.220 oh,
01:02:26.300 I need to prep.
01:02:27.200 I need to do all these things and then I'll act.
01:02:29.160 Well,
01:02:29.380 sometimes guys acting is where all the learning is.
01:02:32.820 and you don't know what you don't know until you actually take the action.
01:02:36.020 So you,
01:02:36.700 you don't even know what you need to prepare for until you actually start acting
01:02:39.780 in some cases.
01:02:40.720 So in some cases you just need to act.
01:02:43.100 I remember when I,
01:02:44.580 I,
01:02:44.860 my background is retail management and we were moving into a new store.
01:02:48.580 We were opening a new store in,
01:02:50.020 in Orem.
01:02:50.760 So Northern Utah.
01:02:52.380 And it was a mess.
01:02:53.640 The store was a mess.
01:02:54.540 Cause we're trying to put up fixtures and the flooring was coming in and we
01:02:58.520 had all the clothing coming in and we're trying to put things on racks and we
01:03:01.880 got most of it done.
01:03:03.300 And I remember coming up,
01:03:04.660 somebody coming over to me and the manager.
01:03:06.640 And I think maybe regional or district manager was there as well.
01:03:09.560 We were talking about some strategy and this individual came over and said,
01:03:13.340 Hey,
01:03:13.500 there's like,
01:03:14.140 and,
01:03:14.400 and,
01:03:14.760 and she was really distraught.
01:03:16.060 She's like,
01:03:16.360 Hey,
01:03:16.500 there's this like this bar right here and there's a bunch of clothes and it's just
01:03:19.100 laying on the floor.
01:03:19.780 And like,
01:03:20.020 we really need to do something about that.
01:03:21.660 And so I just walked over and picked it up and put it on the rack.
01:03:25.140 I'm like,
01:03:25.700 there problem solved.
01:03:27.640 And I think she felt a little silly,
01:03:29.600 but like,
01:03:30.360 this is a great example of what we see in people.
01:03:34.740 It's like,
01:03:35.060 some people are like,
01:03:35.920 Oh,
01:03:36.080 there's a problem.
01:03:36.740 Oh,
01:03:36.920 what are we going to do?
01:03:38.240 While the other guy's over there actually fixing the problem.
01:03:40.720 And he's done by the time you're done complaining about it.
01:03:43.680 Yeah.
01:03:44.480 So be action oriented.
01:03:47.340 I think you hit that right on exactly what I would have said.
01:03:52.320 Next question.
01:03:53.220 I added that on the end.
01:03:54.400 Next question.
01:03:54.960 Moving on.
01:03:55.480 Cramping up.
01:03:56.120 My leg cramped up.
01:03:57.320 Oh man.
01:03:57.580 You got to show your horse.
01:03:59.000 Woo.
01:04:00.260 That was,
01:04:01.280 I did some like major deadlifting today and it cramped up.
01:04:04.580 Good right there.
01:04:05.360 All right.
01:04:05.880 I think we got maybe one more question.
01:04:07.420 I'll work out this cramp while we're doing that.
01:04:09.480 Holy cow. 0.89
01:04:10.460 That hurt.
01:04:11.360 That's funny.
01:04:12.420 All right.
01:04:12.720 Josh Kenny.
01:04:13.260 For both of you,
01:04:14.560 how do you guys course correct when obligations such as overtime at work,
01:04:18.500 for example,
01:04:19.100 take time away from your hobbies or family time?
01:04:22.220 Do you simply stick to your daily routine or do you adapt to your daily
01:04:26.400 routine to account for that lost family time?
01:04:29.280 Yeah.
01:04:29.440 I mean,
01:04:29.640 you just have to adjust,
01:04:30.720 right?
01:04:31.020 Things come up for everybody.
01:04:32.420 Like things are going to get in the way and,
01:04:34.000 and,
01:04:34.500 and things that you couldn't have possibly predicted.
01:04:36.800 And so you just adjust along the way.
01:04:38.600 And sometimes,
01:04:39.520 you know what,
01:04:40.340 you just have a day that everything goes to hell and there's not a
01:04:43.080 damn thing that you can do about it.
01:04:44.940 And so you just make the most of it.
01:04:46.360 You try to tread water and keep your head above water as best you can.
01:04:49.460 I think this week is going to be one of those for me because we've got some
01:04:52.180 obviously big things in the works as I talked with you guys early about in
01:04:55.060 the podcast.
01:04:56.000 And I'm just going to make the best of the week.
01:04:57.740 I've got a to-do list.
01:04:58.560 I'm going to crank through as much as I can.
01:05:00.460 Kip,
01:05:00.660 you and I,
01:05:01.180 what do we have to do today?
01:05:01.920 We had to bump our podcast back a couple hours,
01:05:03.980 right?
01:05:04.580 Because that's just what we had to do.
01:05:06.980 And so that means everything else is bumped back and you just make the most
01:05:10.960 of it and adjust along the way and get back on course as soon as you
01:05:14.680 possibly can.
01:05:15.840 And as Mr.
01:05:16.480 Mickler would say as well,
01:05:18.360 it's important to do an after action review.
01:05:20.420 Don't let this be like the standard norm,
01:05:22.700 right?
01:05:23.140 Every so often look at this and say,
01:05:24.720 okay,
01:05:25.080 this is out of control,
01:05:26.960 right?
01:05:27.160 I haven't gotten the workout in.
01:05:28.660 It's been two weeks.
01:05:30.360 Something's got to change.
01:05:31.320 I got to adjust something and course correct from a planning perspective a
01:05:35.500 little bit too.
01:05:36.180 Don't let the days happen to you.
01:05:38.240 And before you know it,
01:05:39.560 you know,
01:05:39.820 a year has gone by and you're never spending time with your family or doing
01:05:42.940 any of your hobbies either.
01:05:44.120 Right?
01:05:44.400 So realize there's a time and season,
01:05:46.340 but pause,
01:05:48.120 plan a little bit,
01:05:49.560 plan your work,
01:05:50.240 work your plan is what I tell the guys on Echo and then course correct that
01:05:53.600 way too.
01:05:54.640 Yep.
01:05:55.220 Absolutely.
01:05:55.580 Cool.
01:05:56.080 A couple more questions.
01:05:57.240 We,
01:05:57.400 I think we can,
01:05:58.160 let's,
01:05:58.600 let's call it a day,
01:05:59.380 man.
01:05:59.580 I've got to get some,
01:06:00.400 some things and I want to get these questions answered,
01:06:03.880 but I know we're both busy and I think we went through a lot here today.
01:06:07.780 So let's call it a day.
01:06:08.620 We'll get to the rest next week.
01:06:09.820 Sounds good.
01:06:10.380 So time and season,
01:06:11.440 you know,
01:06:11.720 Ryan mentioned this earlier on in the podcast.
01:06:13.820 Yeah.
01:06:14.600 Primarily three different ways that you can contribute to these questions.
01:06:18.000 The first is on Facebook,
01:06:20.160 facebook.com slash group slash order of man.
01:06:23.120 The second is via the Patreon account and that's patreon.com slash order of man.
01:06:28.980 And then lastly,
01:06:30.060 by joining the ranks of the brothers within the iron council,
01:06:34.020 which is more or less a brotherhood slash mastermind group where you get assigned to a battle team.
01:06:40.060 And you establish goals and objectives and you work with like-minded men to press forward to become better.
01:06:47.100 And not just to become better,
01:06:49.460 but to better your families,
01:06:50.760 your community,
01:06:51.280 and those that you're entrusted with.
01:06:54.180 You can connect with Mr.
01:06:56.080 Mickler on Instagram at Ryan Mickler and Twitter at order of man.
01:07:00.580 If you wanted stuff from the order of the,
01:07:04.740 of the order of man store,
01:07:06.460 it might be too late for Christmas.
01:07:09.160 Yeah.
01:07:09.600 For Christmas it is.
01:07:10.720 But if you are store.order of man.com,
01:07:12.820 we'll do our best to get it out as quickly as we can.
01:07:14.580 But yeah,
01:07:14.840 you're probably too late for Christmas at this point.
01:07:16.480 Just order anyway,
01:07:17.480 and then throw it in a closet and give it to your hubby for Valentine's day. 0.61
01:07:21.020 Yeah.
01:07:21.300 Send them a picture of what you're giving them.
01:07:24.560 That's what we're doing.
01:07:25.480 And we're actually getting our,
01:07:26.640 one of our boys,
01:07:27.900 a puppy.
01:07:29.800 The puppy won't be available until February.
01:07:32.540 So he's getting a picture of a puppy.
01:07:34.680 Oh,
01:07:34.860 and a stuffed animal.
01:07:35.640 My wife did get him a stuffed animal of the very breed that we're getting.
01:07:39.680 That's funny.
01:07:40.660 We've done that before.
01:07:42.080 Well,
01:07:42.480 let's wrap it up.
01:07:43.140 Kip.
01:07:43.320 I appreciate you,
01:07:44.220 men.
01:07:44.480 I appreciate you.
01:07:45.440 You know,
01:07:45.760 I think I've talked about this before,
01:07:47.380 but one of the unintended consequent,
01:07:50.260 that's not the right way to say it.
01:07:51.520 One of the results that I just didn't fully anticipate seeing was how,
01:07:55.480 edified and uplifted I would be as a man.
01:07:57.860 I didn't fully realize when I started order of man,
01:08:00.420 how much it would help me be a better father and me be a better husband and a
01:08:04.920 business owner.
01:08:05.860 And there's just been so many wonderful opportunities in my life.
01:08:08.740 And a lot of that is,
01:08:09.880 is the direct result of you,
01:08:12.600 you guys listening,
01:08:13.860 holding me accountable to doing the things that I say I'm going to do.
01:08:18.780 You know,
01:08:18.940 I don't feel like I can,
01:08:20.100 I can give you advice and tell you to do things if I'm not willing to do those
01:08:23.220 things myself.
01:08:23.880 And there's areas of my life where,
01:08:25.600 you know,
01:08:25.720 I need to improve.
01:08:26.880 I won't,
01:08:27.220 I won't deny that.
01:08:28.200 And there's some areas of my life that I have,
01:08:30.020 I have locked down.
01:08:31.500 But I do appreciate the accountability that you men provide.
01:08:35.220 And it's,
01:08:36.180 it's helped me be a better,
01:08:37.380 a better man in general.
01:08:38.240 So I appreciate that.
01:08:39.820 You were going to say something else though,
01:08:40.900 Kip.
01:08:41.340 No,
01:08:41.480 I was just,
01:08:41.960 I was laughing because I don't,
01:08:43.860 I don't think you can have a platform this large with this many people
01:08:47.620 listening and not just have built in accountability into everything you say.
01:08:51.720 So absolutely.
01:08:52.840 Yeah,
01:08:53.140 absolutely.
01:08:53.740 It works out well for me.
01:08:55.080 I need that accountability.
01:08:56.540 All right,
01:08:56.840 guys,
01:08:57.060 get going.
01:08:57.640 We'll catch you on what Friday,
01:08:59.380 Friday for our Friday field notes,
01:09:00.620 but until then take action,
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