Order of Man - No Risk, No Reward ｜ TREVOR THOMPSON

00:00:00.000 Risk is something everyone is exposed to, whether you're simply driving to work or

00:00:04.100 jumping out of airplanes and off rocks like my guest Trevor Thompson does. And with as

00:00:09.060 much exposure to risk and the inherent dangers that come with it that we expose ourselves

00:00:12.660 to, you'd think we'd spend more time considering the risks we're taking and how to mitigate

00:00:17.240 more of it. So today, Trevor and I talk about objectively evaluating readiness, learning

00:00:22.880 to respect dangerous activities, how to increase and improve focus in risky situations, and

00:00:28.980 how to limit your risk and maximize reward. You're a man of action. You live life to the

00:00:34.280 fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you

00:00:39.380 get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient,

00:00:46.280 strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the

00:00:52.240 day. And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going

00:00:58.400 on today? My name is Ryan Michler and I am the host and the founder of this podcast and

00:01:01.980 this movement, the order of man. I want to welcome you, whether you're here for the first

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00:01:21.800 You know, as well as I do that this movement, this idea of reclaiming and restoring what

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00:04:05.680 Order of man.com slash podcast pro. All right, guys, enough with that, that announcement. I do

00:04:11.460 want to introduce you to my guest. Now the other, I was going to say the other day, but it was

00:04:16.200 probably a couple of months ago. I was sitting down with my good friend, Jack Carr. He's the author

00:04:19.800 of the terminal list and soon to be released true believer. Anyways, him and I were sitting down.

00:04:25.000 We got a visit from his friend, Trevor Thompson. And Trevor is also a former Navy SEAL.

00:04:30.800 He's a self-proclaimed experience junkie. That's not to be confused with an adrenaline junkie.

00:04:37.100 He'll explain that here in a minute, but he's a skydiving base jumping adventure. And as I was

00:04:43.660 visiting with Jack, when he stopped by, I just thought, man, let's have a conversation about

00:04:48.840 risks, the risks that he takes in his life and how he's learned to overcome fear and reduce exposure.

00:04:54.880 I just thought that would be a perfect conversation to share with you since all of us are exposed to

00:04:59.380 varying degrees of risk in our own life. So I hope you enjoy this one. I will tell you to

00:05:04.100 forgive the audio. This was spur of the moment. It was off the cuff and I thought it was a great

00:05:08.920 opportunity, but the audio wasn't incredible, but you'll get a lot out of this podcast and

00:05:13.860 our exposure to risk and how to mitigate some of that. So I hope you enjoy guys.

00:05:18.940 All right, guys, we're back for, I was going to say round two. It's not really round two. It's

00:05:22.280 just a bonus round. Yeah. Cause Trevor show bonus. Yeah, that's right.

00:05:25.720 You guys get to reap the benefits of Trevor showing up and extra equipment and extra equipment. I know

00:05:31.780 it took us a little while to figure out the audio that didn't it. I think I said it before is like

00:05:35.140 technology is wonderful until it isn't. And it's amazing how much you need technology. When

00:05:38.980 technology is not working, you realize how reliant we are upon it. It's a shit moment. 1.00

00:05:43.360 Exactly. I really want this to work. Right. And you don't even know you're tapped into it 0.99

00:05:47.240 until it's broken. Like right now, it feels so weird to be talking to you without a headset on.

00:05:50.860 Right. Exactly. I feel like we're not even having a real conversation unless that's part of it.

00:05:55.140 Yeah. Yeah. It's not happening. It's not on your head. That's right. Exactly. Right. Exactly.

00:06:00.000 Yeah. Well, we're glad you're here, man. We're having some conversations about some of the crazy

00:06:03.760 shit that you're doing. Yeah. Which I guess maybe you don't think, I don't know. Do you think it's 1.00

00:06:08.480 crazy? I think it's crazy. I guess it's a frame of reference. What do you do? Tell these guys what

00:06:12.560 you do. I do a little bit of everything. People ask me if I'm an adrenaline junkie. Yeah. And I tell

00:06:17.120 them I'm an experienced junkie. So I'm collecting experiences. My life goes on. So I skydive a lot. I base jump.

00:06:25.140 A lot. I wingsuit base jump. Um, a lot. And, uh, I rock climb and outdoor four wheel and shoot and

00:06:33.680 hunt and kind of do all the things that take a huge amount of focus. Yeah. And you videotape that

00:06:39.700 stuff for a lot of it. Yeah. Video stills. Crazy things. Yeah. Yeah. You're down in Moab, which is

00:06:44.660 what a couple, probably a couple hours from where we're at right here too. Oh, is it that far? I didn't

00:06:48.400 realize. Yeah. Yeah. Um, something about that. So it came up here. And so, yeah, we're glad to have you

00:06:52.480 different. Moab's amazing. Moab's incredible. What are you doing down there? I should say

00:06:56.120 down there. All the things. I'm going to be, uh, riding my bike, driving the truck, shooting

00:07:00.500 the bow, climbing and jumping. Sweet. By jumping, he means base jumping. Base jumping off

00:07:06.240 of the cliff. Yeah. We talked about that a little bit earlier about, for me anyway, it's a very

00:07:11.200 unnatural thing to do. Even jumping in the military out of planes, like very unnatural. Not something

00:07:16.560 I'm going to continue to do in my post-military life. That was a, uh, I might poke you a little

00:07:22.680 bit. I can safely say no, but we were talking about how it's just imprinted in our DNA to step

00:07:28.980 back away from the cliff. So we don't fall off said cliff and not be able to defend the tribe

00:07:33.060 or provide for the tribe. And then here you are going to the edge of that cliff and not

00:07:36.620 just looking over, but jumping off in a wingsuit. Yeah. And sometimes not just jumping off in a

00:07:40.480 wingsuit, but jumping off in a wingsuit with a video camera to tape somebody else. Yeah.

00:07:44.260 So how do you convince yourself to do that? Maybe convinced, not the right word. It would

00:07:48.880 take convincing. It would take somebody kicking me in the back to get me out of there. Yeah. 0.79

00:07:52.260 So like my journey into base jumping started with learning how to skydive in the teams.

00:07:58.220 Right. So I had absolutely no interest in skydiving. I did not have an interest. Like it wasn't a

00:08:02.260 negative thing that I didn't want to do, but it was something that I'm like, all right,

00:08:06.100 that's kind of neat. And I learned how to skydive in San Diego when like they already

00:08:10.220 had the pipeline put through from there. I had seen video of a guy, an old video of

00:08:16.960 a guy jumping in the late eighties in LA off of buildings. And I'm like, that's really

00:08:21.500 cool. Cause I grew up in just North of Los Angeles. So I'd seen all these buildings

00:08:25.220 growing up. Like that's a thing. People jump off of that with that parachute. That's

00:08:30.140 ridiculous. And then I saw some videos of guys flying wingsuits in Switzerland and 0.92

00:08:35.280 Norway. That's incredible. I want to go be able to be in those places. I'd already been

00:08:40.200 skiing in a lot of these places and up in Colorado doing some like backcountry skiing.

00:08:44.940 Like I want to, I want to push further into this kind of extreme sport, that lifestyle

00:08:49.780 just really appealed to me. Right. And then you realize like, okay, well, this is actually

00:08:54.820 really scary. And the first step is going to a bridge. Usually you learn how to do all

00:09:00.740 the packing and everything else. Like all the technical pieces, you get to a bridge and you

00:09:04.700 literally crawl over the railing and you stand there and your feet are heels still touching

00:09:10.860 the bridge and your toes are over the other edge and your hands are holding onto the railing

00:09:14.860 and you just stand there and you're looking down at probably about 500 feet of nothing.

00:09:21.020 Just air. Are you with somebody the first time you do this?

00:09:24.380 Yeah, hopefully. Actually, I'll put that out there as a disclaimer. Please don't watch YouTube

00:09:28.600 and go do this on your own. Right. Which is sad that you need to say, but

00:09:32.200 good tip. It's the real thing. I've actually run into more than a handful. I'm trying to

00:09:36.400 think of what the number is, but it's definitely more than a handful of people that have zero

00:09:40.000 experience and have literally death camped is what we call it. Taught themselves how to

00:09:44.560 do the whole thing on the internet. Wow. It's terrifying. And they're alive. As far as I

00:09:48.640 know, they were alive at the time. It might still be alive. When they jumped, they were alive.

00:09:52.260 When they jumped, they were still living. I don't want to even teach myself how to play guitar

00:09:55.600 on YouTube. Yeah, right. On the internet. Jumping off something, learning that and then going

00:09:59.720 off to do something. It's terrifying. Well, I think that might be the

00:10:02.740 differentiating factor between the things that you do, which is these experiences that

00:10:06.440 you're trying to seek after, but respecting what it is you're actually doing versus being 1.00

00:10:10.760 an idiot. And respecting the knowledge base that a lot of that stuff comes from, you know, 1.00

00:10:15.660 it's just like seeking out writers, you know, and learning how to take care of the craft yourself

00:10:22.840 because you are hopefully going to be somebody that is then pushing it forward yourself, you

00:10:28.160 know, even handed the torch. Yeah. And like now I have taught people how to jump. I've

00:10:34.200 taught people how to base jump. It's an incredibly special thing to do. And I take a lot of responsibility

00:10:40.000 to that because I'm teaching them a skill that could, if you look at the statistics, will 0.87

00:10:43.880 probably either cripple them or kill them by their own choices. Right. So I hope people 1.00

00:10:50.140 have the respect to do that, to seek out a person that does it for a living or at least gives 0.98

00:10:57.240 a shit about the people that they're teaching. Cause it's a very dangerous skill and it's 0.96

00:11:01.600 a wild thing to be standing there on the edge and every single time going, Oh, okay. Wow.

00:11:07.340 Cause your body doesn't want to do it. How do you promise? Your body doesn't want to do it.

00:11:10.400 Well, I'm sure. But why? But how do you, how do you determine the risk? Because I look at

00:11:14.300 it from the outside looking in. And so I think you and I are completely different people from

00:11:18.400 this perspective. Slightly. Obviously we do have beards though. That is true.

00:11:21.600 Yes. So how do you convince yourself that the risk is worth the reward? Cause I look at them

00:11:28.760 like the reward is not worth that risk to me. So the first couple of times, um, it's just

00:11:32.760 like skydiving or it's just like, I don't know if you've done any like really nasty downhill

00:11:38.000 skiing or mountain bike riding something that is very tactile, but has a huge visceral reaction

00:11:44.480 in the body and has a lot of information coming in, right? Total information overload. I want to

00:11:49.560 know what that's like, but why do you want to know what that's like? Well, at that point

00:11:53.500 I'd been in the seal teams for a while. I knew I liked wild activities like that. And I wanted

00:11:59.480 to see what it was. I wanted to be able to do that. And, uh, I just mentioned that I had

00:12:05.000 seen guys jumping or I had seen Todd specifically movies of him jumping in LA. I wanted to go do

00:12:11.300 that. I wanted to be a base jumper to jump off buildings. And I have, and I've done it many,

00:12:16.440 many, many times and it's incredible. And now I work with Todd, which was cool to be able to tell

00:12:22.240 that. Yeah. You're the reason I got him base jumping. I told him why he's like, how the hell

00:12:26.740 did you find that movie? Cause it was a student film project that you had seen. Yeah. And then

00:12:31.420 somebody put on YouTube and it's like deep down in the rabbit hole of YouTube. And he's like,

00:12:36.420 it's like an eight minute film. And he's like, how the hell did you find that? It's like a crappy

00:12:40.300 little black. Yeah. So it worked out great, but I really just wanted to do it. And the 0.99

00:12:46.060 first 10, 20 times is so much information overload. It's a short activity anyways. You know, a long

00:12:52.500 base jump is two minutes. So that actually seems long to me. It does. And it is. And that's

00:12:56.720 a wing, I'm talking a wingsuit base jump that you're flying thousands of feet. The stuff I'm

00:13:00.680 doing in Moab, 28 seconds. And these are, these are wingsuit base jumps that you're doing?

00:13:05.500 Some of them are in Moab. I won't be doing that this year. All the ones I'm doing this

00:13:09.160 year, I'll, we call them subterminal or slider down jumps. They're shorter than a wingsuit

00:13:14.680 jump. Between 120 and 600 foot range. Is skydiving, just skydiving itself, is that statistically all

00:13:22.540 that dangerous? No, it's not. So what makes them different other than being the proximity to

00:13:27.280 the ground? So the mitigating factors in skydiving are put there often out of the length of time

00:13:35.360 that skydiving has been around and the gear that you use and the fact you're using commercial

00:13:38.700 aircraft. There are systems in place to save your life. If you're an idiot or if your gear

00:13:44.460 falls apart, or you have a massive malfunction. I mean, I've had seven cutaways. 1.00

00:13:49.500 That is your first parachute. You've had to strip away essentially. Yeah. Okay. So there you go.

00:13:54.540 If that was a base jump, there's a high possibility that I could either be broken or dead if that were

00:13:59.200 the case. Now skydiving equipment's a little different. Base jumping equipment, I equate the two.

00:14:04.800 It's like a bicycle versus a motorcycle. Motorcycle takes a lot of maintenance and there's a lot more

00:14:11.040 mechanical stuff can go wrong. That's skydiving. Base jumping is like a bicycle. Way less maintenance,

00:14:15.940 way less stuff that can go wrong. You can put them on the same piece of tarmac and one will do one

00:14:21.020 thing and one will do the other. They look the same. They're not the same activity. Right.

00:14:25.280 The decision-making that goes on with base jumping is what keeps people alive or kills them.

00:14:29.400 Meaning the factors in the climates when you're up there, whether you should jump or should not jump.

00:14:33.620 Absolutely. As opposed to skydiving, which the range is so much bigger. There is a very tight

00:14:40.400 margin of error in base jumping that you need to operate within or you'll get hurt. Luck is not

00:14:48.160 something you want to rely on. And in skydiving, the range is much larger, a much bigger range to then

00:14:55.980 operate within. Because if you make a mistake, there's mitigating factors there.

00:15:00.680 Yeah. Sure. You're opening at a higher altitude. You have different gear. You're probably in a

00:15:06.580 controlled environment. There's other people there to watch what's going on. I've done base

00:15:11.780 jumps where nobody's jumped that jump before and I'm alone and it's at night. You're eliminating

00:15:17.960 factors that would be keeping you safe in skydiving like daytime, other people, people jump there all the

00:15:24.140 time. There's known entities. So base jumping, I like it because of that. I like that it's a

00:15:30.420 consequence driven activity. It's part of the driving factor for me.

00:15:36.460 What does that do for you knowing that the consequence, because everything has consequences,

00:15:40.520 but the consequences we're talking about here are significantly greater than us having this

00:15:44.860 conversation, right? So what is it that that does for you?

00:15:50.020 It's a lot like all the stuff I did in the teams. I got a huge kick out of being an SDV pilot

00:15:56.420 because the consequences are enormous. You are literally entrusted with other people's lives

00:16:01.960 driving that little Mesa. That blew my mind. I'm being entrusted with their lives to do this thing

00:16:08.320 that if I screw this up, they die or I die or get hurt. And I'm not trying to be dramatic about it,

00:16:15.060 but I think it was a driving factor. Like, it's very cool that you have to do that and you have

00:16:19.440 to do it right. Now being able to do this activity, it's just about me doing that and doing it right

00:16:25.280 is really cool. And I really liked doing some of that stuff. Like I like all the problem solving.

00:16:30.620 I like the puzzle to get to a jump that nobody's jumped before, or I like, I do like teaching.

00:16:37.380 It does give some sort of like reward back to the person that's teaching it, but it's cool to help

00:16:43.260 other people along and like pass on the skills. It takes you to some pretty cool places as well.

00:16:48.640 Yeah. I was in this year, I was in Switzerland and in Italy. Last year I was in Chamonix, France

00:16:54.180 and Italy. And I think we did some time in Switzerland. Do companies sponsor these trips?

00:16:59.260 They do, but the money is worthless. It's basically gets you there. It's piddly.

00:17:05.000 If that, if you're a base jumper, you're doing it for the love that nobody's making a living out of

00:17:08.920 base jumping. Even the guys at Red Bull that do it, they do other things.

00:17:13.000 Right. Right. Cause it's not, it's not something that can sustain you financially.

00:17:16.220 No, it's not. Yeah. Um, it's a love of the game type of scenario.

00:17:21.440 What causes somebody who's standing on the edge of a cliff that maybe they shouldn't be jumping

00:17:26.200 today because of whatever factors go ahead and make that poor decision and do it anyways.

00:17:31.900 So I don't know if you guys have seen the documentary McConkie.

00:17:36.360 I haven't seen it.

00:17:37.060 Okay. So, but you know who Shane McConkie is, a skier. So he was a, an extreme skier and a

00:17:42.460 base jumper. And he helped kind of open up a lot of the wings or a lot of the, uh, ski

00:17:47.360 base environment, as well as he was early on in wingsuit base jumping. He ended up dying

00:17:52.500 and he described a scenario where somebody was literally interviewing him like this.

00:17:56.100 And they said, you know, how can you take the step from here to here? And he said, well,

00:18:02.140 it's a matter of getting used to this level of fear and you just kind of like get up to

00:18:08.600 here. And then the new scariness is here. And I tell people all the time that are new

00:18:14.440 jumpers to be very, very, very, very conservative and very honest and objective with themselves

00:18:20.120 as a mental practice, because you will habituate decisions. If you habituate this kind of weather

00:18:27.260 is okay for me, then four years down the road, that's what I'm looking at. Four years down

00:18:32.340 the road, that same decision makes that weather not even seem like a drop in the bucket.

00:18:39.560 Hmm. And that's a decision that four years ago, you were like, ah, maybe I shouldn't jump.

00:18:44.100 Okay. Well, and then four years down the road, that's like, you don't even think about it.

00:18:47.300 And now you're like, ah, maybe I shouldn't jump in a condition that you wouldn't even

00:18:51.060 have gone outside it prior. Right. And that's not to say don't progress and don't get better

00:18:57.800 and don't make different decisions, but be very objective about it. And what I think happens

00:19:02.860 with people that shouldn't jump, that jump anyways, is they've made a habit out of doing

00:19:07.000 that. And I think a lot of it is driven by social media exposure, them wanting to look

00:19:14.080 cool and not understanding the results of the decisions and getting away with it.

00:19:18.960 Being lucky is not a resource to rely upon.

00:19:22.120 It's not a great strategy, right?

00:19:23.260 It's never, it's not a strategy. It just isn't. Period. I can't just hope my way into a good

00:19:30.140 reality. You don't just close your eyes when you're driving on the freeway. I think most people just

00:19:36.220 aren't objective about their skills and how good they are and how crappy they are at something.

00:19:42.400 How do you know that you're ready for a certain environment or a jump that maybe you haven't done

00:19:48.500 before without being able to test it unless you're jumping?

00:19:53.580 Yeah. So there's, there's a couple of ways you can do that. One of which is being hyper-conservative

00:19:58.180 and jumping by yourself and, or with only mentors. Right. And I always suggest people get a mentor.

00:20:03.320 It's just like with hunting, you know, how do I know if I'm ready for that shot on that animal

00:20:08.500 until I've done the thing. I took my first big game, a game at all with a bow this year and Dudley

00:20:16.200 literally handed me the bow and he said, practice like this, send me a video, tell me how you're

00:20:20.960 doing, show me how your groups are. And then when you get to British Columbia, we'll look at you and

00:20:25.660 you should be good. Right. And that was the case because I had a mentor that showed me how to do it.

00:20:31.080 I had no idea what the hell I was doing. An outside objective opinion or an outside opinion

00:20:36.100 from somebody with a huge amount of experience. Sure. That qualified, whether or not, whether or

00:20:40.080 not they're objective, who gives a shit. Right. It's going to be qualified. It's going to be 0.99

00:20:42.900 qualified. Sure. And that qualification comes from living that lifestyle. And that's what ends up

00:20:48.680 happening. I had that scenario. There was a guy that I'm still very, very good friends with that I

00:20:52.520 still jump with. And he was an EOD guy or is, he's still in. And he basically mentored me in how to be a

00:20:59.600 base jumper. And he had the same sort of reality from a guy ahead of him. And it's a very passed

00:21:06.600 down, just like hunting. This is how you do this. Come with me or reap the consequences.

00:21:13.740 It's obvious the people that have been mentored and then the people that maybe take a very short

00:21:17.860 course and just kind of are grasping at straws through their experience. How would you be able

00:21:22.780 to tell that? Fear. Often they're on an exit and they just, they look like they don't know what's

00:21:27.740 going on. And an exit is right when you're jumping. Yeah. Okay. Or an exit. They often

00:21:32.860 have that like saucer eye look. Okay. Oh shit. What am I about? I'm in over my head. But they

00:21:38.920 don't want to ask questions. It's a wild sport. It's really wild. Activity. It's an activity.

00:21:45.340 It's not a sport. Anybody out there, it's not a sport. I like that you differentiate. It's a

00:21:49.620 lifestyle and it's an activity. Why do you differentiate? Soccer might be a sport. Soccer's a

00:21:54.660 sport. There are no rules. There are no regulations. There is equipment you can buy

00:22:00.040 and it's a single person decision. There's no goal. What's the goal? Right. You're not

00:22:05.040 competing. Personal satisfaction. There's no competition. It's you against you against

00:22:10.280 gravity. And there's only one winner there. It's gravity. Every time. Gravity has a hundred

00:22:15.780 percent win streak against humans. Sorry. It's an activity and I fucking love it. But it's

00:22:21.420 an activity. Yeah. It's not a sport. When people turn it into a sport, like skydiving

00:22:25.000 is a sport, right? There's rules, there's contests, there's groups that do it all together.

00:22:30.240 It's a sport. And I really am trying to get it across to people that it's an activity and

00:22:34.500 it's a lifestyle because it's a choice you're making about yourself, not about this thing

00:22:39.480 that you do. And I'm trying to get people away from thinking of it as a sport because

00:22:43.800 maybe, maybe I'll help dissuade somebody that thought it was a sport that's getting into

00:22:47.880 it as a sporting activity that could hurt themselves. Right. Yeah. When I think of

00:22:51.620 base jumping, and I think this is probably maybe, I don't know, 10, 20 years ago. Yeah.

00:22:54.860 I think of the guy who's, you know, sneaks onto the elevator and like goes to the top of

00:22:59.480 the thing because it's illegal, right? Yeah. Yeah. So you've done some of these.

00:23:02.980 Trespassing is illegal. Trespassing is illegal. The jumping is not, but the trespassing is

00:23:06.980 illegal. The jumping is illegal in places like Las Vegas and Manhattan. Okay. Yeah. It's illegal

00:23:12.080 there. Okay. I mean, there are other places. So you've done these types of things. I mean,

00:23:15.220 I know people that might've done this. Yeah. Right. Okay. We can either confirm or deny.

00:23:19.000 Exactly. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So the trespassing, if you trespass, it's illegal, but it's, it's

00:23:24.800 a piddly, it's a misdemeanor. Right. Cops just kind of go. Yeah. Do you quote unquote know

00:23:29.820 anyone that, um, has jumped off some cool places like national parks, like, uh, Yosemite or

00:23:35.460 it happens all the time. And my personal opinion is that what's going on in Yosemite is a gross

00:23:43.160 misunderstanding of an activity paired with a gross misuse of power. I don't know what's

00:23:51.760 going on in Yosemite. So in Yosemite, there is a, um, I don't know if you call it a law,

00:23:58.200 but it's not legal to deploy a parachute within a national park. I don't know how to phrase what

00:24:06.200 it really is. If it's a statue or what the thing is, some sort of regulation, it's a class

00:24:12.080 D felony. Wow. Now class D is like transporting shit across board. Like it's not like class

00:24:19.800 A is like a premeditated. Right. You know, there's a bunch of different, right. There's

00:24:25.180 differences here. Either way, it's a felony. That sucks. And a huge fine. That came into

00:24:30.320 effect decades ago because people were poaching in national parks because, Oh, weird. You can't

00:24:36.520 hunt in Yellowstone. Well, guess what? There's a lot of in Yellowstone then probably prize

00:24:41.200 sized animals. I bet you there's a bunch of giant 400 class elk running around in Yellowstone,

00:24:47.400 right? Like there's some big ass animals. So people were in the poaching. That's when 0.93

00:24:52.240 they stopped allowing guns in and out of national parks. All right, cool. Then they started searching

00:24:56.440 for guns. All right. Well, people are still poaching. How are they poaching? Well, they're

00:24:59.540 dropping stuff in by parachuting. Really? And then they would go through the gates and

00:25:04.380 they go through the gates and they get stuff dropped to them. All right. After that, they're

00:25:07.960 like, all right, well, now you can't drop stuff, anything by parachute into a national

00:25:11.100 park. Wow. Following that, people started base jumping and they're like, Oh no, you

00:25:16.400 can't deploy a parachute or a hang glider or a paraglider. Huge misunderstanding of how

00:25:21.280 that statute law, whatever you want to say is being interpreted because you look at it and

00:25:27.820 verbatim. It says something like, what is it? Aerial delivery is illegal or not legal.

00:25:33.800 So you can't deliver something. Right. Well, that person is doing an activity just like rock

00:25:38.280 climbing, except unlike rock climbing or unlike hiking, we only go one way. And most base jumpers

00:25:44.020 are exceptionally caring of the environment. It's a bummer that they're against it in that

00:25:50.520 reasoning. So are you involved in any sort of organization or anything like that?

00:25:55.800 So I am in an ancillary fashion. There are guys that that is their mission in life to

00:26:03.300 get that stuff reversed or annotated in the correct fashion that allows for it to be used.

00:26:11.560 But it's a shame that you can't do something that's such a low impact activity in a park

00:26:16.960 that you pay for. And I like your point about hiking. You know, you can pay 20 bucks or whatever

00:26:21.840 and go to the park and hike all you want and utilize it because that's what it's there for.

00:26:26.860 It's there to be utilized. Exactly. I can't imagine that the activity you're engaged in is

00:26:31.200 worse for the environment or anything like that. You literally go one direction and it's a cultural 0.63

00:26:38.240 reality amongst base jumpers that they will pick up trash along the way and take it down with them.

00:26:44.280 Why is that part of the culture?

00:26:45.340 Because we want to leave the place better than we find it. I think there's a big misunderstanding,

00:26:49.600 especially in the in the hunting community, which we're all part of to varying degrees,

00:26:54.020 that it's not conservation. And I found that it's the exact opposite. Exactly. That it's actually

00:26:59.020 that's exactly what it is so that you can continue to utilize those lands moving forward for generations.

00:27:04.100 It's very similar with base jumpers and a lot of rock climbers and don't see that unless they're

00:27:11.040 directly involved with those groups. And you'll see guys, I've literally come down with pockets

00:27:15.460 full of trash from hikers. I'm sorry, hikers, but I don't know what you're doing. Stop leaving your

00:27:21.800 Snickers bars on the ground. It's ridiculous. Yeah. I've picked up a lot of trash and in places that 0.96

00:27:27.580 I'm allowed to jump and it blows me away. That's not okay in a national park. How does it work out in

00:27:33.240 Switzerland, Norway, as far as the laws and there are places that you can't jump. I think Austria,

00:27:39.140 there is a prohibition against jumping. That has to do with fatalities that were happening near

00:27:43.680 towns. There was a legitimate reason. They picked a reason. They were causing a problem. They were

00:27:49.180 dying in places that were parks, that it was causing issue amongst park goers. Guys were dying.

00:27:57.680 Tourists were seeing it. It's endangering their revenue. All right. That's a legit reason. I

00:28:03.040 understand that. Your misinterpretation of a 45 year old statute that stopped poachers from killing elk

00:28:08.340 come on. Let's back that train up here. And at this point, they're just holding on to power.

00:28:12.600 Right. And it's different in Europe. Europe is the birthplace of free skiing and extreme skiing.

00:28:17.700 You know, so those places are far more personally responsible about activities like that. They just

00:28:24.640 are, you know, there's no chains on the, on the hiking trails. I don't know how much time you guys have

00:28:28.440 spent hiking around the Alps at all, but there's no ropes. There's no don't go here. It's go at your own risk.

00:28:35.240 Use it. You know, if you're going to walk down there, you're going to walk down there. That's

00:28:37.940 fine. If you fall off. Oops. Yeah. That's a big oops. Well, that's the government sitting

00:28:43.760 from yourself. There is in that respect. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely other areas.

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00:30:43.960 Let's go back to this idea of focus, because I think that's one area of life that a lot of us

00:30:48.540 really struggle in, you know, because we aren't playing at such high stakes. There's no consequences

00:30:53.320 for being unfocused. Yeah. In fact, a lot of times we'll just be saved. Yeah, we are. There's a lot

00:30:58.180 of safety nets, right? But, but not where you're at. That plays out in helping me in other spots in

00:31:03.400 my life too. Like in bow hunting, right? Because I treat it the same way you were saying earlier on

00:31:08.300 the podcast, like you owe it to that animal to have practiced and to make that shot perfectly and to

00:31:16.440 know your capabilities and limitations. Yep. Which you were, and you were saying earlier is, you know,

00:31:21.160 this doe at 80 yards, I'm not going to take that shot. So I had an arrow knocked, didn't draw back,

00:31:26.600 had the release in my hand, didn't even have the bow up. Right. It wasn't even a thought. No,

00:31:31.200 I was stalking in to get within 45. Didn't happen. She saw me and took off. I'm not going to take a

00:31:37.220 shot. It just ain't happening. It's not within my skillset. I know that. And it's the same thing

00:31:42.820 with base jumping. And it's played out in a lot of pieces of my life. And I'm glad that it has

00:31:48.400 because the focus required there is ultimately it has to be near perfect. You can't just be

00:31:56.440 jacking around, you know, I'm going to do this and this, and it's kind of like playing your dive,

00:32:02.460 dive your plan. There's no real improvising going on there. And if it is, it's because something

00:32:06.840 scary happened, right? Something went wrong and you're adjusting bingo, which isn't a whole lot

00:32:11.220 of adjustment time traveling at how fast? 120, 200 miles an hour. Not a whole lot of adjustment time.

00:32:16.600 Or in the case of jumping off a cliff, you have between three and seven seconds before you are

00:32:23.040 literally jello in the worst case scenario. And what height would that be? Um, everywhere between

00:32:30.720 350 and 500 feet. It would give you roughly three to seven seconds. 350 feet. It's about a five second

00:32:36.280 drop to the dirt ish. Oh my goodness. And so when you texted me yesterday, had you just jumped or

00:32:42.680 were you jumping or did you jump this morning before you came up here or something like that?

00:32:47.060 Yeah. It's like so normal. You don't even mention it.

00:32:49.440 Yeah. One of the thoughts I've always had is people who have fallen from large heights or

00:32:57.320 I heard an interview from a guy who jumped off the golden gate bridge and survived. He was trying to

00:33:02.000 commit suicide. And my thought has always been, man, is anything going through their mind? But

00:33:06.960 you know, five seconds is enough to think about the dire situation that you're in.

00:33:12.560 It is, but that's not what you're thinking about. What are you thinking about?

00:33:16.000 Honestly, you get that. It happens overseas too. Like the time dilation. I'm sure there were times

00:33:21.760 where it's like, that felt like 10 minutes and it was like 35 seconds.

00:33:25.020 Yeah. I can't really thought about it in those, in those terms, but just three seconds feel like

00:33:29.080 three seconds when you jump. Absolutely not. Now that I've done it a lot, I can feel and hear the

00:33:34.960 pilot sheet inflating. I can feel the bridle going to stretch. I can hear pins popping. I know if

00:33:41.320 something's going wrong and that takes two seconds. Wow. Two seconds. And for me to describe it takes

00:33:46.780 longer than it actually happening. Yeah. Yeah. You know, if you've read, uh, what is it? The rise of

00:33:51.680 Superman or, uh, champion's mind, like, or champion's mind too is another one. They talk

00:33:57.020 about that flow state and that people have done it for a really long time. And that's something

00:34:02.680 that they do all the time and they're trying to do it. And they're very objective about doing it all

00:34:06.560 the time. You literally get better at it. It's a trained skill. Better at what? Managing the time

00:34:12.680 and managing the dilation, all the information coming in. Like you have, this doesn't happen. You

00:34:18.240 don't have blinders. The blinders start going. Right. I can see that. Definitely. Because if

00:34:23.320 I'm in a situation, let's say I have very limited or no training, my natural reaction is going to be

00:34:28.640 very limited, very focused because my body inherently is just going to focus on the things

00:34:32.540 that are going to keep me alive versus some of these other factors that you could possibly

00:34:37.640 consider in order to keep yourself alive. That our brains do genetically. It's to keep us alive.

00:34:44.080 It's the same reason. Like, I don't know. Have you ever walked through recently? Have you ever

00:34:47.720 been like walking around in the house? You need to go get something and you walk through a

00:34:50.640 threshold and you forget what you're doing? Probably daily. Yeah. Okay. So I recently heard

00:34:54.460 why that happens from a friend of mine. That's a Marsat guy. He got out and you talked to a

00:34:58.800 psychologist and she's like, Oh, that's an easy thing to explain. He's like, Oh, cool. Cause I thought

00:35:02.260 I was going crazy. Our brains packetize stuff and then they prioritize based on threat level to keep

00:35:08.860 you alive. And we did so much training going in and out of thresholds, assessing rooms, whether or not

00:35:15.840 there's a threat that that's what your brain still thinks is a priority. So you go through there and

00:35:20.280 you've dropped all the other things. Cause that's not a damn priority. Cause you're taking priority 0.96

00:35:23.160 number one, which is what's going to kill me. Yeah. That makes me feel so much better.

00:35:27.440 Right. I was like, Oh God, I'm not crazy. That's awesome. That's interesting. Wow. So I always just

00:35:32.360 thought maybe it had something to do with, and I've done this and I'm sure all of us have where

00:35:35.580 you're driving the same route to your office, except for you're not really going to your office this

00:35:39.800 time. You're going to the grocery store and yet you just drive right to your office. You're like,

00:35:43.580 what am I doing? I was supposed to be going to the grocery store. Your brain prioritizes it. It's

00:35:47.160 making it really efficient, right? So you can only take in so many packets of information at a time.

00:35:51.320 So that's what's going on. So with your jumping, once you've internalized the fundamentals,

00:35:55.740 you no longer need to actually focus on that element of things. And you can focus on some

00:36:00.820 of these other variables. And there's some really cool brain science in respect to that,

00:36:04.080 where those packets and you actually get more efficient at uptaking them and then being able to

00:36:08.620 focus on other ones that you weren't able to focus on at an earlier date. It's really cool.

00:36:14.060 Yeah. I mean, I've experienced this a little bit, even with jujitsu, you know, where you get in

00:36:18.100 there and you're so focused on one thing and all of a sudden you're in a completely different hold

00:36:21.540 or a different move and something else is happening. You're like, I don't even know what

00:36:24.620 happened. And yet the more you practice, you're like, Oh, okay. I realized this is being set up for

00:36:29.720 this and I can take into this, this other, you know, he's got his feet here, his legs here,

00:36:34.100 but I'm not worried about that because I know what's going on here. Now I can focus on his arms or his

00:36:38.140 positioning. And so you expand your capability for more input. Yep. And it's the same thing that

00:36:42.940 base jumping skydiving. CQC is a great one. Like that's a great example. I mean, how bumbly do dudes

00:36:48.840 in buds look? You're talking about close quarter combat. Yeah. Okay. Just entering a room with two

00:36:53.060 guys and walking pace. They look like dog shit, right? Because you have no idea what's going on 1.00

00:36:58.940 and it's hyper complicated. And then you get into doing like multi-room eight man flow. Totally

00:37:04.500 different. Right. Your brain would explode if you tried to do that the first time. Right.

00:37:07.900 Same thing with base jumping. First step, crawl over the side of the bridge, have somebody holding

00:37:13.380 your bridle. You're not even worried about deploying the parachute yourself. Just exit

00:37:16.980 properly. What is the bridle? It's what attaches the pilot chute, which is the little baby pilot,

00:37:21.960 the baby parachute. Okay. To the main big parachute to pull all of it out. That small parachute is

00:37:28.620 actually the parachute for the parachute. Yeah. Is that what you're saying? Parachute for the parachute.

00:37:32.320 Okay. Yeah. I'm trying to just understand this. Okay. So it's a mechanical system that works on

00:37:38.080 drag. Right. And so it's pulling the parachute out. Otherwise it wouldn't come out. Probably not.

00:37:43.120 Or it's too slow. That would be another luck factor. Yeah. Interesting. I think so far the record's

00:37:48.760 zero on that. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. I'm just trying to wrap my head on how all this works.

00:37:54.440 Are you guys familiar with Dakota Meyer? So he, I think he just started jumping and he had sent me a message

00:38:00.400 or I saw him and I said, man, it looks awesome. Or take that on out of planes. And he's like,

00:38:07.100 yeah, man, you should come try it. I'm like, um, that's actually one of my greatest fears ever.

00:38:11.920 I don't know that I want to pitch the little baby parachute. Oh, so you threw it out there.

00:38:16.220 Yeah. You see how that works? Yeah. Okay. So those of you who can't see this,

00:38:19.520 there's a video and you just right after he jumped, just threw it, threw it out. And then that's what

00:38:24.700 caught to pull the rest of it. Exactly. So that's how that works. Well, when you text me,

00:38:28.240 you got to send me that instead of just being like, Hey, and that's, that's in the lab, right?

00:38:35.560 That was moab. Yeah. Okay. It's a really rad activity. I like it a lot. I like the people

00:38:39.440 I've met. There's actually a lot of special operations guys that are doing it because

00:38:43.100 it's an interesting corollary to the high intensity, hyper focused world that we had.

00:38:50.480 And I think it's a really, it's a nice outlet for dudes to be able to participate in as long

00:38:56.260 as they're doing it in a healthy manner and not overestimating their skill base. I'm glad,

00:39:01.680 I'm glad I started doing it in an earlier time in my career as a team guy. Cause I think if it had

00:39:07.600 been at the very, very end, I might have overestimated how good I could be at some ride.

00:39:11.680 That's what I was going to ask because I imagine somebody who's achieved a high level of skill

00:39:17.000 development in one area might assume that that naturally will translate into some other area.

00:39:21.780 A lot of crossover athletes are, I can almost say most crossover athletes into base jumping

00:39:28.620 are either turnkey, instant base jumpers that are really, really good at it. Cause they understand

00:39:34.160 the consequences and they understand how the practice works or their absolute nightmares to

00:39:38.880 be around because they think too highly of themselves and their skills. And it might not even be a conscious

00:39:43.640 ego thing. Like it not, might not be like some dude that you see, you know, barrel chest. Yeah,

00:39:48.620 I'm really good or some, some chick that's right. I got this. You can recognize that. It might not be

00:39:52.460 that. They might just somewhere back and back somewhere in there. They think I got it subconsciously

00:39:59.180 through no fault of their own. Other than they've had some success, which isn't a fault. Yeah.

00:40:03.140 They've had some success at some level. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. X games, athletes,

00:40:08.180 Olympic athletes, like guys that were in special operations for 20 years, you name the thing. Like

00:40:13.880 there's a fair amount of examples of people that have been crippled, hurt, killed because they were

00:40:19.440 really, really, really, really good at something else. The flip side of that is that also can keep

00:40:23.900 them alive or keep them doing this thing at a really high level. Yeah. At some point it's got a

00:40:29.060 okay example of that. I'm a good base jumper, but I'm also paying a lot of that respect back to the

00:40:36.000 skill base that I learned in the teams, all the hyper-focus and being able to just be chill.

00:40:40.860 Like I can calm myself down on exit points or in scenarios that

00:40:44.820 I've seen people just shaking. Right. Base jumping. It's like, look, you know, it's supposed

00:40:49.380 to be fun, right? Relax, dog. That's the thing is I just don't. I'm that guy. You are. It's just

00:40:56.360 different personalities. Relax, man. It's cool. I don't think there's a universe or a dimension

00:41:01.600 that exists where me as an individual would look at that and say, this is fun. Like,

00:41:10.420 I don't think I could have learned. It is okay. But what I'm saying is I don't think that's a

00:41:14.660 learned thing. I think there's a fundamental difference in the way that you and me are set

00:41:19.880 up. Exactly. For sure. Right. Because I don't get the shakes. I don't go bananas. Like it just

00:41:26.080 doesn't happen anymore. And I don't know if that's my adrenal glands just totally burned out or if it's,

00:41:32.560 I don't know. I don't know what it is. Because as a kid, like anybody listening, this is not

00:41:36.820 bullshit. You can ask my parents. I was scared shitless of heights. I was such a scared little 0.98

00:41:42.560 kid that I didn't even want to see the car driving on the freeway. I would like hide behind

00:41:45.740 a seat. Just reality. So you have learned it. Oh yeah. Somewhere in there. I don't know where,

00:41:50.940 I don't know when it started happening, but somewhere between me being that scared little

00:41:54.540 kid going to art school and then becoming a team guy. Yeah. It happened. That's awesome. I love the,

00:41:59.780 I didn't like packing the shoots. I didn't like free breathing on oxygen. I didn't like getting in the

00:42:04.480 plane and going up and sitting and waiting on weather holds and all that stuff. I did like

00:42:08.240 the jumping out part. Right. I liked the flying around part. Yeah. I did not so much like the

00:42:12.720 pulling part. Cause for me, it's like, okay, here we go. This is the part. I never got to that point

00:42:17.000 where I was so good at all of it, where it all became second nature. And I was thinking about

00:42:21.400 practicing, you know, anytime we had a jump, I was going through it in my head. I was, you know,

00:42:25.100 I was always a student of it. Well, I'm a student of everything for life anyway, but that particular

00:42:28.720 thing, I just remember getting to this point and then pulling like, okay, this is where I'm either

00:42:33.480 have to go through these emergency procedures or it's going to work out. Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't

00:42:37.620 like that part until it was over and I was under canopy and everything's looking good. And now I

00:42:42.460 just want to land close enough to where I'm supposed to that you guys don't make fun of me.

00:42:45.680 Yeah. Sort of in that area. Yeah. So I think also what made terminal list resonate with people is

00:42:51.520 that I didn't have like a superhuman character that was just good at everything. Yeah. He's not

00:42:55.660 like a cruise character in the mission impossible series. Like the dude is the best rock climber,

00:43:01.460 the best guy ever, the best, you name the thing. Like he drives a motorcycle without a helmet with

00:43:05.280 sunglasses on and urban environment. Come on, dog. Well, it's not, it's just not relatable on the

00:43:09.360 planet that can do that. Right. Exactly. So usually they have their coffee black or whatever. And

00:43:13.600 sorry, sorry, Evan Hafer, but in the book he has his coffee, black gravel coffee with some honey and

00:43:19.180 some cream and then people make fun of him about it. It'll be okay. Stuff like that. So it's normal.

00:43:23.680 Yeah. So same thing with jumping. So in a book, when I have a chapter or two that is focused on

00:43:29.140 jumping out of a plane for an insertion or whatever else it is, then, uh, if the main

00:43:33.100 character is part of that jump and part of that chapter, I'm going to have it be human. Cause

00:43:37.420 that's something I can relate to. I can take my experience from jumping out and then apply it.

00:43:41.920 Should be scared, right? But then I can also have an awesome character here like Trevor and, uh,

00:43:47.020 it's cool, man. Yeah, exactly. He's jumping and doing all this stuff. So are you in the next book?

00:43:51.300 All that. He could definitely show up in a future novel. I would not count it out.

00:43:56.760 This has been cool. I'm fascinated by this stuff because it's just completely different than

00:44:00.800 my personality and everything I've ever done. I think I will take you up on that.

00:44:05.780 Cool thing you can do strapped to a man.

00:44:07.220 Yeah. Yeah. I can think of, uh, things that I definitely would not participate in, uh, by those

00:44:15.560 standards. So maybe we'll try that instead. Yeah, man. Well, cool. Right on. I appreciate it.

00:44:20.400 For sure. I'll ask you the same question. Cause I already asked Jack what the question,

00:44:23.780 what does it mean to be a man? But I'll ask you, what do you believe it means to be a man?

00:44:27.100 Let's see. I think it's the willingness to be objective with yourself and not be so selfish

00:44:33.180 that you can't be there for other people. And I know I put a big personality out there on social

00:44:39.760 media of lots of fitness and working out. And I constantly say, be an asset, not a liability.

00:44:45.000 I really, really, really firmly believe that actually a few days ago that came to fruition

00:44:49.360 in some part, somebody got hurt on a base jump. It was like a really, really, really bad

00:44:54.720 ankle turn. And it was about a mile and a half over really nasty terrain. I literally carried

00:44:59.700 them out, put them on my shoulders. It was a female. So she weighs about 125 pounds and 1.00

00:45:04.500 I carried her about a mile and a half, you know, be an asset, not a liability. And that's,

00:45:10.420 I think a lot of life comes down to that. You know, if you can be an asset and a liability,

00:45:14.880 then you give a shit about other people. And I got a lot of that from being in the teams 0.97

00:45:19.300 and a lot of that from being how I was raised. That's what I really think being a man would

00:45:24.560 be, be an asset. Don't be a liability to anybody.

00:45:27.940 Yeah. I like that. Cool. Where do we connect with you?

00:45:30.360 I'm on Instagram. It's Thompson underscore Parisports and my email and all sorts of stuff's

00:45:35.100 on there. And then I just started working as a field photographer for Black Rifle Coffee.

00:45:39.000 Nice. So just had FNN on the podcast maybe five weeks ago, four or five weeks ago.

00:45:43.820 Sick. Yeah. So I'm sure you guys will see my pictures and video floating around.

00:45:47.180 Yeah. That's how.

00:45:48.860 And you post some wild workouts on Instagram, which I've seen.

00:45:52.600 And most of them are super accessible. I try and do stuff.

00:45:55.160 I've noticed that.

00:45:56.080 Anybody can do anywhere with a sandbag.

00:45:58.280 Yeah. I have noticed that. Cool. We'll sync it all up so the guys can track you down.

00:46:02.240 Hell yeah.

00:46:02.700 Appreciate it, man.

00:46:03.280 Thanks, man.

00:46:03.740 Right on.

00:46:03.980 Gents, there you go. My conversation, my off the cuff conversation, I should say. Again,

00:46:09.240 I apologize about the audio, but I thought just being able to sit down with Trevor and

00:46:12.900 talk about risk and talk about some of the crazy stuff that he's doing. And I just thought

00:46:17.040 it would be a great conversation. I thought it'd be something that you'd be interested

00:46:19.560 in. And of course, all of us are exposed to varying degrees of risk in our lives. And

00:46:24.100 I just don't think we think about it enough. What's the risk versus the reward and how do we

00:46:28.200 mitigate risk? And I hope there was some value in that conversation that gives you a perspective

00:46:32.360 on how you approach your life and the risks that you're taking in your life. If you resonated

00:46:37.520 with what me and Trevor said, connect with us on, I would say Instagram. I know Trevor's

00:46:42.540 very, very active on Instagram. If you want, you can go to orderofman.com slash 205 as an

00:46:48.440 episode 205. I've got the links to his social media profiles, to his website. He's training

00:46:54.460 and he's showing others how to do some of the stuff that he does. So if any of that is

00:46:58.280 of interest to you, certainly check that out. I think I'm going to take him up on his offer

00:47:03.380 to take me out. Although it's a fear I will certainly, certainly have to work up towards

00:47:08.660 to overcome. Anyways, guys, just wanted to share that with you. I hope that all is going

00:47:13.500 well for you. I hope that this podcast is serving you well. If it is, I would ask that

00:47:18.840 you leave us a rating and review. It goes such a long way in gaining visibility and just getting

00:47:24.340 the message of order of men out into the world, which is like I said earlier, much needed.

00:47:28.440 So I appreciate you. I'm glad to be on this journey with you. I'm glad to be standing shoulder to

00:47:31.940 shoulder with strong men. You inspire me probably more than I inspire you, whether you believe that

00:47:37.260 or not. And it's good. It's good to stand with strong, motivated, ambitious men. And I'm honored

00:47:42.740 that we're on this journey together. So guys, until tomorrow for our ask me anything, go out there,

00:47:48.260 take action and become the man you are meant to be.

00:47:51.140 Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast. You're ready to take charge of your

00:47:56.020 life and be more of the man you were meant to be. We invite you to join the order at orderofman.com.

Order of Man - February 19, 2019

No Risk, No Reward ｜ TREVOR THOMPSON

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