No Risk, No Reward ｜ TREVOR THOMPSON
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You re a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You re not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life, this is who you are, and after all, you can call yourself a man.
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Risk is something everyone is exposed to, whether you're simply driving to work or
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jumping out of airplanes and off rocks like my guest Trevor Thompson does. And with as
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much exposure to risk and the inherent dangers that come with it that we expose ourselves
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to, you'd think we'd spend more time considering the risks we're taking and how to mitigate
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more of it. So today, Trevor and I talk about objectively evaluating readiness, learning
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to respect dangerous activities, how to increase and improve focus in risky situations, and
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how to limit your risk and maximize reward. You're a man of action. You live life to the
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fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you
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get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient,
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strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the
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day. And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going
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on today? My name is Ryan Michler and I am the host and the founder of this podcast and
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this movement, the order of man. I want to welcome you, whether you're here for the first
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time or you've been with us for any amount of time, we couldn't do this without you.
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And we are continuing to grow each and every week. I see more and more downloads. I see more
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You know, as well as I do that this movement, this idea of reclaiming and restoring what
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ever has been. I think the need has always been there, but I think we continue to slip
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owners and community leaders. And it's my job to give you all the tools and the resources
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and conversations that you need in order to be better in each one of those areas. So again,
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Order of man.com slash podcast pro. All right, guys, enough with that, that announcement. I do
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want to introduce you to my guest. Now the other, I was going to say the other day, but it was
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probably a couple of months ago. I was sitting down with my good friend, Jack Carr. He's the author
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of the terminal list and soon to be released true believer. Anyways, him and I were sitting down.
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We got a visit from his friend, Trevor Thompson. And Trevor is also a former Navy SEAL.
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He's a self-proclaimed experience junkie. That's not to be confused with an adrenaline junkie.
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He'll explain that here in a minute, but he's a skydiving base jumping adventure. And as I was
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visiting with Jack, when he stopped by, I just thought, man, let's have a conversation about
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risks, the risks that he takes in his life and how he's learned to overcome fear and reduce exposure.
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I just thought that would be a perfect conversation to share with you since all of us are exposed to
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varying degrees of risk in our own life. So I hope you enjoy this one. I will tell you to
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forgive the audio. This was spur of the moment. It was off the cuff and I thought it was a great
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opportunity, but the audio wasn't incredible, but you'll get a lot out of this podcast and
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our exposure to risk and how to mitigate some of that. So I hope you enjoy guys.
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All right, guys, we're back for, I was going to say round two. It's not really round two. It's
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just a bonus round. Yeah. Cause Trevor show bonus. Yeah, that's right.
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You guys get to reap the benefits of Trevor showing up and extra equipment and extra equipment. I know
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it took us a little while to figure out the audio that didn't it. I think I said it before is like
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technology is wonderful until it isn't. And it's amazing how much you need technology. When
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technology is not working, you realize how reliant we are upon it. It's a shit moment.
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Exactly. I really want this to work. Right. And you don't even know you're tapped into it
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until it's broken. Like right now, it feels so weird to be talking to you without a headset on.
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Right. Exactly. I feel like we're not even having a real conversation unless that's part of it.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's not happening. It's not on your head. That's right. Exactly. Right. Exactly.
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Yeah. Well, we're glad you're here, man. We're having some conversations about some of the crazy
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shit that you're doing. Yeah. Which I guess maybe you don't think, I don't know. Do you think it's
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crazy? I think it's crazy. I guess it's a frame of reference. What do you do? Tell these guys what
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you do. I do a little bit of everything. People ask me if I'm an adrenaline junkie. Yeah. And I tell
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them I'm an experienced junkie. So I'm collecting experiences. My life goes on. So I skydive a lot. I base jump.
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A lot. I wingsuit base jump. Um, a lot. And, uh, I rock climb and outdoor four wheel and shoot and
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hunt and kind of do all the things that take a huge amount of focus. Yeah. And you videotape that
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stuff for a lot of it. Yeah. Video stills. Crazy things. Yeah. Yeah. You're down in Moab, which is
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what a couple, probably a couple hours from where we're at right here too. Oh, is it that far? I didn't
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realize. Yeah. Yeah. Um, something about that. So it came up here. And so, yeah, we're glad to have you
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different. Moab's amazing. Moab's incredible. What are you doing down there? I should say
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down there. All the things. I'm going to be, uh, riding my bike, driving the truck, shooting
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the bow, climbing and jumping. Sweet. By jumping, he means base jumping. Base jumping off
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of the cliff. Yeah. We talked about that a little bit earlier about, for me anyway, it's a very
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unnatural thing to do. Even jumping in the military out of planes, like very unnatural. Not something
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I'm going to continue to do in my post-military life. That was a, uh, I might poke you a little
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bit. I can safely say no, but we were talking about how it's just imprinted in our DNA to step
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back away from the cliff. So we don't fall off said cliff and not be able to defend the tribe
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or provide for the tribe. And then here you are going to the edge of that cliff and not
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just looking over, but jumping off in a wingsuit. Yeah. And sometimes not just jumping off in a
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wingsuit, but jumping off in a wingsuit with a video camera to tape somebody else. Yeah.
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So how do you convince yourself to do that? Maybe convinced, not the right word. It would
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take convincing. It would take somebody kicking me in the back to get me out of there. Yeah.
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So like my journey into base jumping started with learning how to skydive in the teams.
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Right. So I had absolutely no interest in skydiving. I did not have an interest. Like it wasn't a
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negative thing that I didn't want to do, but it was something that I'm like, all right,
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that's kind of neat. And I learned how to skydive in San Diego when like they already
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had the pipeline put through from there. I had seen video of a guy, an old video of
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a guy jumping in the late eighties in LA off of buildings. And I'm like, that's really
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cool. Cause I grew up in just North of Los Angeles. So I'd seen all these buildings
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growing up. Like that's a thing. People jump off of that with that parachute. That's
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ridiculous. And then I saw some videos of guys flying wingsuits in Switzerland and
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Norway. That's incredible. I want to go be able to be in those places. I'd already been
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skiing in a lot of these places and up in Colorado doing some like backcountry skiing.
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Like I want to, I want to push further into this kind of extreme sport, that lifestyle
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just really appealed to me. Right. And then you realize like, okay, well, this is actually
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really scary. And the first step is going to a bridge. Usually you learn how to do all
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the packing and everything else. Like all the technical pieces, you get to a bridge and you
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literally crawl over the railing and you stand there and your feet are heels still touching
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the bridge and your toes are over the other edge and your hands are holding onto the railing
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and you just stand there and you're looking down at probably about 500 feet of nothing.
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Just air. Are you with somebody the first time you do this?
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Yeah, hopefully. Actually, I'll put that out there as a disclaimer. Please don't watch YouTube
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and go do this on your own. Right. Which is sad that you need to say, but
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good tip. It's the real thing. I've actually run into more than a handful. I'm trying to
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think of what the number is, but it's definitely more than a handful of people that have zero
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experience and have literally death camped is what we call it. Taught themselves how to
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do the whole thing on the internet. Wow. It's terrifying. And they're alive. As far as I
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know, they were alive at the time. It might still be alive. When they jumped, they were alive.
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When they jumped, they were still living. I don't want to even teach myself how to play guitar
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on YouTube. Yeah, right. On the internet. Jumping off something, learning that and then going
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off to do something. It's terrifying. Well, I think that might be the
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differentiating factor between the things that you do, which is these experiences that
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you're trying to seek after, but respecting what it is you're actually doing versus being
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an idiot. And respecting the knowledge base that a lot of that stuff comes from, you know,
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it's just like seeking out writers, you know, and learning how to take care of the craft yourself
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because you are hopefully going to be somebody that is then pushing it forward yourself, you
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know, even handed the torch. Yeah. And like now I have taught people how to jump. I've
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taught people how to base jump. It's an incredibly special thing to do. And I take a lot of responsibility
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to that because I'm teaching them a skill that could, if you look at the statistics, will
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probably either cripple them or kill them by their own choices. Right. So I hope people
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have the respect to do that, to seek out a person that does it for a living or at least gives
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a shit about the people that they're teaching. Cause it's a very dangerous skill and it's
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a wild thing to be standing there on the edge and every single time going, Oh, okay. Wow.
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Cause your body doesn't want to do it. How do you promise? Your body doesn't want to do it.
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Well, I'm sure. But why? But how do you, how do you determine the risk? Because I look at
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it from the outside looking in. And so I think you and I are completely different people from
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this perspective. Slightly. Obviously we do have beards though. That is true.
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Yes. So how do you convince yourself that the risk is worth the reward? Cause I look at them
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like the reward is not worth that risk to me. So the first couple of times, um, it's just
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like skydiving or it's just like, I don't know if you've done any like really nasty downhill
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skiing or mountain bike riding something that is very tactile, but has a huge visceral reaction
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in the body and has a lot of information coming in, right? Total information overload. I want to
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know what that's like, but why do you want to know what that's like? Well, at that point
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I'd been in the seal teams for a while. I knew I liked wild activities like that. And I wanted
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to see what it was. I wanted to be able to do that. And, uh, I just mentioned that I had
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seen guys jumping or I had seen Todd specifically movies of him jumping in LA. I wanted to go do
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that. I wanted to be a base jumper to jump off buildings. And I have, and I've done it many,
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many, many times and it's incredible. And now I work with Todd, which was cool to be able to tell
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that. Yeah. You're the reason I got him base jumping. I told him why he's like, how the hell
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did you find that movie? Cause it was a student film project that you had seen. Yeah. And then
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somebody put on YouTube and it's like deep down in the rabbit hole of YouTube. And he's like,
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it's like an eight minute film. And he's like, how the hell did you find that? It's like a crappy
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little black. Yeah. So it worked out great, but I really just wanted to do it. And the
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first 10, 20 times is so much information overload. It's a short activity anyways. You know, a long
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base jump is two minutes. So that actually seems long to me. It does. And it is. And that's
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a wing, I'm talking a wingsuit base jump that you're flying thousands of feet. The stuff I'm
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doing in Moab, 28 seconds. And these are, these are wingsuit base jumps that you're doing?
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Some of them are in Moab. I won't be doing that this year. All the ones I'm doing this
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year, I'll, we call them subterminal or slider down jumps. They're shorter than a wingsuit
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jump. Between 120 and 600 foot range. Is skydiving, just skydiving itself, is that statistically all
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that dangerous? No, it's not. So what makes them different other than being the proximity to
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the ground? So the mitigating factors in skydiving are put there often out of the length of time
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that skydiving has been around and the gear that you use and the fact you're using commercial
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aircraft. There are systems in place to save your life. If you're an idiot or if your gear
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falls apart, or you have a massive malfunction. I mean, I've had seven cutaways.
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That is your first parachute. You've had to strip away essentially. Yeah. Okay. So there you go.
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If that was a base jump, there's a high possibility that I could either be broken or dead if that were
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the case. Now skydiving equipment's a little different. Base jumping equipment, I equate the two.
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It's like a bicycle versus a motorcycle. Motorcycle takes a lot of maintenance and there's a lot more
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mechanical stuff can go wrong. That's skydiving. Base jumping is like a bicycle. Way less maintenance,
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way less stuff that can go wrong. You can put them on the same piece of tarmac and one will do one
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thing and one will do the other. They look the same. They're not the same activity. Right.
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The decision-making that goes on with base jumping is what keeps people alive or kills them.
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Meaning the factors in the climates when you're up there, whether you should jump or should not jump.
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Absolutely. As opposed to skydiving, which the range is so much bigger. There is a very tight
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margin of error in base jumping that you need to operate within or you'll get hurt. Luck is not
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something you want to rely on. And in skydiving, the range is much larger, a much bigger range to then
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operate within. Because if you make a mistake, there's mitigating factors there.
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Yeah. Sure. You're opening at a higher altitude. You have different gear. You're probably in a
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controlled environment. There's other people there to watch what's going on. I've done base
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jumps where nobody's jumped that jump before and I'm alone and it's at night. You're eliminating
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factors that would be keeping you safe in skydiving like daytime, other people, people jump there all the
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time. There's known entities. So base jumping, I like it because of that. I like that it's a
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consequence driven activity. It's part of the driving factor for me.
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What does that do for you knowing that the consequence, because everything has consequences,
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but the consequences we're talking about here are significantly greater than us having this
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conversation, right? So what is it that that does for you?
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It's a lot like all the stuff I did in the teams. I got a huge kick out of being an SDV pilot
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because the consequences are enormous. You are literally entrusted with other people's lives
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driving that little Mesa. That blew my mind. I'm being entrusted with their lives to do this thing
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that if I screw this up, they die or I die or get hurt. And I'm not trying to be dramatic about it,
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but I think it was a driving factor. Like, it's very cool that you have to do that and you have
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to do it right. Now being able to do this activity, it's just about me doing that and doing it right
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is really cool. And I really liked doing some of that stuff. Like I like all the problem solving.
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I like the puzzle to get to a jump that nobody's jumped before, or I like, I do like teaching.
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It does give some sort of like reward back to the person that's teaching it, but it's cool to help
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other people along and like pass on the skills. It takes you to some pretty cool places as well.
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Yeah. I was in this year, I was in Switzerland and in Italy. Last year I was in Chamonix, France
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and Italy. And I think we did some time in Switzerland. Do companies sponsor these trips?
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They do, but the money is worthless. It's basically gets you there. It's piddly.
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If that, if you're a base jumper, you're doing it for the love that nobody's making a living out of
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base jumping. Even the guys at Red Bull that do it, they do other things.
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Right. Right. Cause it's not, it's not something that can sustain you financially.
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No, it's not. Yeah. Um, it's a love of the game type of scenario.
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What causes somebody who's standing on the edge of a cliff that maybe they shouldn't be jumping
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today because of whatever factors go ahead and make that poor decision and do it anyways.
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So I don't know if you guys have seen the documentary McConkie.
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Okay. So, but you know who Shane McConkie is, a skier. So he was a, an extreme skier and a
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base jumper. And he helped kind of open up a lot of the wings or a lot of the, uh, ski
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base environment, as well as he was early on in wingsuit base jumping. He ended up dying
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and he described a scenario where somebody was literally interviewing him like this.
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And they said, you know, how can you take the step from here to here? And he said, well,
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it's a matter of getting used to this level of fear and you just kind of like get up to
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here. And then the new scariness is here. And I tell people all the time that are new
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jumpers to be very, very, very, very conservative and very honest and objective with themselves
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as a mental practice, because you will habituate decisions. If you habituate this kind of weather
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is okay for me, then four years down the road, that's what I'm looking at. Four years down
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the road, that same decision makes that weather not even seem like a drop in the bucket.
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Hmm. And that's a decision that four years ago, you were like, ah, maybe I shouldn't jump.
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Okay. Well, and then four years down the road, that's like, you don't even think about it.
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And now you're like, ah, maybe I shouldn't jump in a condition that you wouldn't even
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have gone outside it prior. Right. And that's not to say don't progress and don't get better
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and don't make different decisions, but be very objective about it. And what I think happens
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with people that shouldn't jump, that jump anyways, is they've made a habit out of doing
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that. And I think a lot of it is driven by social media exposure, them wanting to look
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cool and not understanding the results of the decisions and getting away with it.
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It's never, it's not a strategy. It just isn't. Period. I can't just hope my way into a good
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reality. You don't just close your eyes when you're driving on the freeway. I think most people just
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aren't objective about their skills and how good they are and how crappy they are at something.
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How do you know that you're ready for a certain environment or a jump that maybe you haven't done
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before without being able to test it unless you're jumping?
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Yeah. So there's, there's a couple of ways you can do that. One of which is being hyper-conservative
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and jumping by yourself and, or with only mentors. Right. And I always suggest people get a mentor.
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It's just like with hunting, you know, how do I know if I'm ready for that shot on that animal
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until I've done the thing. I took my first big game, a game at all with a bow this year and Dudley
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literally handed me the bow and he said, practice like this, send me a video, tell me how you're
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doing, show me how your groups are. And then when you get to British Columbia, we'll look at you and
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you should be good. Right. And that was the case because I had a mentor that showed me how to do it.
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I had no idea what the hell I was doing. An outside objective opinion or an outside opinion
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from somebody with a huge amount of experience. Sure. That qualified, whether or not, whether or
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not they're objective, who gives a shit. Right. It's going to be qualified. It's going to be
00:20:42.900
qualified. Sure. And that qualification comes from living that lifestyle. And that's what ends up
00:20:48.680
happening. I had that scenario. There was a guy that I'm still very, very good friends with that I
00:20:52.520
still jump with. And he was an EOD guy or is, he's still in. And he basically mentored me in how to be a
00:20:59.600
base jumper. And he had the same sort of reality from a guy ahead of him. And it's a very passed
00:21:06.600
down, just like hunting. This is how you do this. Come with me or reap the consequences.
00:21:13.740
It's obvious the people that have been mentored and then the people that maybe take a very short
00:21:17.860
course and just kind of are grasping at straws through their experience. How would you be able
00:21:22.780
to tell that? Fear. Often they're on an exit and they just, they look like they don't know what's
00:21:27.740
going on. And an exit is right when you're jumping. Yeah. Okay. Or an exit. They often
00:21:32.860
have that like saucer eye look. Okay. Oh shit. What am I about? I'm in over my head. But they
00:21:38.920
don't want to ask questions. It's a wild sport. It's really wild. Activity. It's an activity.
00:21:45.340
It's not a sport. Anybody out there, it's not a sport. I like that you differentiate. It's a
00:21:49.620
lifestyle and it's an activity. Why do you differentiate? Soccer might be a sport. Soccer's a
00:21:54.660
sport. There are no rules. There are no regulations. There is equipment you can buy
00:22:00.040
and it's a single person decision. There's no goal. What's the goal? Right. You're not
00:22:05.040
competing. Personal satisfaction. There's no competition. It's you against you against
00:22:10.280
gravity. And there's only one winner there. It's gravity. Every time. Gravity has a hundred
00:22:15.780
percent win streak against humans. Sorry. It's an activity and I fucking love it. But it's
00:22:21.420
an activity. Yeah. It's not a sport. When people turn it into a sport, like skydiving
00:22:25.000
is a sport, right? There's rules, there's contests, there's groups that do it all together.
00:22:30.240
It's a sport. And I really am trying to get it across to people that it's an activity and
00:22:34.500
it's a lifestyle because it's a choice you're making about yourself, not about this thing
00:22:39.480
that you do. And I'm trying to get people away from thinking of it as a sport because
00:22:43.800
maybe, maybe I'll help dissuade somebody that thought it was a sport that's getting into
00:22:47.880
it as a sporting activity that could hurt themselves. Right. Yeah. When I think of
00:22:51.620
base jumping, and I think this is probably maybe, I don't know, 10, 20 years ago. Yeah.
00:22:54.860
I think of the guy who's, you know, sneaks onto the elevator and like goes to the top of
00:22:59.480
the thing because it's illegal, right? Yeah. Yeah. So you've done some of these.
00:23:02.980
Trespassing is illegal. Trespassing is illegal. The jumping is not, but the trespassing is
00:23:06.980
illegal. The jumping is illegal in places like Las Vegas and Manhattan. Okay. Yeah. It's illegal
00:23:12.080
there. Okay. I mean, there are other places. So you've done these types of things. I mean,
00:23:15.220
I know people that might've done this. Yeah. Right. Okay. We can either confirm or deny.
00:23:19.000
Exactly. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So the trespassing, if you trespass, it's illegal, but it's, it's
00:23:24.800
a piddly, it's a misdemeanor. Right. Cops just kind of go. Yeah. Do you quote unquote know
00:23:29.820
anyone that, um, has jumped off some cool places like national parks, like, uh, Yosemite or
00:23:35.460
it happens all the time. And my personal opinion is that what's going on in Yosemite is a gross
00:23:43.160
misunderstanding of an activity paired with a gross misuse of power. I don't know what's
00:23:51.760
going on in Yosemite. So in Yosemite, there is a, um, I don't know if you call it a law,
00:23:58.200
but it's not legal to deploy a parachute within a national park. I don't know how to phrase what
00:24:06.200
it really is. If it's a statue or what the thing is, some sort of regulation, it's a class
00:24:12.080
D felony. Wow. Now class D is like transporting shit across board. Like it's not like class
00:24:19.800
A is like a premeditated. Right. You know, there's a bunch of different, right. There's
00:24:25.180
differences here. Either way, it's a felony. That sucks. And a huge fine. That came into
00:24:30.320
effect decades ago because people were poaching in national parks because, Oh, weird. You can't
00:24:36.520
hunt in Yellowstone. Well, guess what? There's a lot of in Yellowstone then probably prize
00:24:41.200
sized animals. I bet you there's a bunch of giant 400 class elk running around in Yellowstone,
00:24:47.400
right? Like there's some big ass animals. So people were in the poaching. That's when
00:24:52.240
they stopped allowing guns in and out of national parks. All right, cool. Then they started searching
00:24:56.440
for guns. All right. Well, people are still poaching. How are they poaching? Well, they're
00:24:59.540
dropping stuff in by parachuting. Really? And then they would go through the gates and
00:25:04.380
they go through the gates and they get stuff dropped to them. All right. After that, they're
00:25:07.960
like, all right, well, now you can't drop stuff, anything by parachute into a national
00:25:11.100
park. Wow. Following that, people started base jumping and they're like, Oh no, you
00:25:16.400
can't deploy a parachute or a hang glider or a paraglider. Huge misunderstanding of how
00:25:21.280
that statute law, whatever you want to say is being interpreted because you look at it and
00:25:27.820
verbatim. It says something like, what is it? Aerial delivery is illegal or not legal.
00:25:33.800
So you can't deliver something. Right. Well, that person is doing an activity just like rock
00:25:38.280
climbing, except unlike rock climbing or unlike hiking, we only go one way. And most base jumpers
00:25:44.020
are exceptionally caring of the environment. It's a bummer that they're against it in that
00:25:50.520
reasoning. So are you involved in any sort of organization or anything like that?
00:25:55.800
So I am in an ancillary fashion. There are guys that that is their mission in life to
00:26:03.300
get that stuff reversed or annotated in the correct fashion that allows for it to be used.
00:26:11.560
But it's a shame that you can't do something that's such a low impact activity in a park
00:26:16.960
that you pay for. And I like your point about hiking. You know, you can pay 20 bucks or whatever
00:26:21.840
and go to the park and hike all you want and utilize it because that's what it's there for.
00:26:26.860
It's there to be utilized. Exactly. I can't imagine that the activity you're engaged in is
00:26:31.200
worse for the environment or anything like that. You literally go one direction and it's a cultural
00:26:38.240
reality amongst base jumpers that they will pick up trash along the way and take it down with them.
00:26:45.340
Because we want to leave the place better than we find it. I think there's a big misunderstanding,
00:26:49.600
especially in the in the hunting community, which we're all part of to varying degrees,
00:26:54.020
that it's not conservation. And I found that it's the exact opposite. Exactly. That it's actually
00:26:59.020
that's exactly what it is so that you can continue to utilize those lands moving forward for generations.
00:27:04.100
It's very similar with base jumpers and a lot of rock climbers and don't see that unless they're
00:27:11.040
directly involved with those groups. And you'll see guys, I've literally come down with pockets
00:27:15.460
full of trash from hikers. I'm sorry, hikers, but I don't know what you're doing. Stop leaving your
00:27:21.800
Snickers bars on the ground. It's ridiculous. Yeah. I've picked up a lot of trash and in places that
00:27:27.580
I'm allowed to jump and it blows me away. That's not okay in a national park. How does it work out in
00:27:33.240
Switzerland, Norway, as far as the laws and there are places that you can't jump. I think Austria,
00:27:39.140
there is a prohibition against jumping. That has to do with fatalities that were happening near
00:27:43.680
towns. There was a legitimate reason. They picked a reason. They were causing a problem. They were
00:27:49.180
dying in places that were parks, that it was causing issue amongst park goers. Guys were dying.
00:27:57.680
Tourists were seeing it. It's endangering their revenue. All right. That's a legit reason. I
00:28:03.040
understand that. Your misinterpretation of a 45 year old statute that stopped poachers from killing elk
00:28:08.340
come on. Let's back that train up here. And at this point, they're just holding on to power.
00:28:12.600
Right. And it's different in Europe. Europe is the birthplace of free skiing and extreme skiing.
00:28:17.700
You know, so those places are far more personally responsible about activities like that. They just
00:28:24.640
are, you know, there's no chains on the, on the hiking trails. I don't know how much time you guys have
00:28:28.440
spent hiking around the Alps at all, but there's no ropes. There's no don't go here. It's go at your own risk.
00:28:35.240
Use it. You know, if you're going to walk down there, you're going to walk down there. That's
00:28:37.940
fine. If you fall off. Oops. Yeah. That's a big oops. Well, that's the government sitting
00:28:43.760
from yourself. There is in that respect. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely other areas.
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Let's go back to this idea of focus, because I think that's one area of life that a lot of us
00:30:48.540
really struggle in, you know, because we aren't playing at such high stakes. There's no consequences
00:30:53.320
for being unfocused. Yeah. In fact, a lot of times we'll just be saved. Yeah, we are. There's a lot
00:30:58.180
of safety nets, right? But, but not where you're at. That plays out in helping me in other spots in
00:31:03.400
my life too. Like in bow hunting, right? Because I treat it the same way you were saying earlier on
00:31:08.300
the podcast, like you owe it to that animal to have practiced and to make that shot perfectly and to
00:31:16.440
know your capabilities and limitations. Yep. Which you were, and you were saying earlier is, you know,
00:31:21.160
this doe at 80 yards, I'm not going to take that shot. So I had an arrow knocked, didn't draw back,
00:31:26.600
had the release in my hand, didn't even have the bow up. Right. It wasn't even a thought. No,
00:31:31.200
I was stalking in to get within 45. Didn't happen. She saw me and took off. I'm not going to take a
00:31:37.220
shot. It just ain't happening. It's not within my skillset. I know that. And it's the same thing
00:31:42.820
with base jumping. And it's played out in a lot of pieces of my life. And I'm glad that it has
00:31:48.400
because the focus required there is ultimately it has to be near perfect. You can't just be
00:31:56.440
jacking around, you know, I'm going to do this and this, and it's kind of like playing your dive,
00:32:02.460
dive your plan. There's no real improvising going on there. And if it is, it's because something
00:32:06.840
scary happened, right? Something went wrong and you're adjusting bingo, which isn't a whole lot
00:32:11.220
of adjustment time traveling at how fast? 120, 200 miles an hour. Not a whole lot of adjustment time.
00:32:16.600
Or in the case of jumping off a cliff, you have between three and seven seconds before you are
00:32:23.040
literally jello in the worst case scenario. And what height would that be? Um, everywhere between
00:32:30.720
350 and 500 feet. It would give you roughly three to seven seconds. 350 feet. It's about a five second
00:32:36.280
drop to the dirt ish. Oh my goodness. And so when you texted me yesterday, had you just jumped or
00:32:42.680
were you jumping or did you jump this morning before you came up here or something like that?
00:32:47.060
Yeah. It's like so normal. You don't even mention it.
00:32:49.440
Yeah. One of the thoughts I've always had is people who have fallen from large heights or
00:32:57.320
I heard an interview from a guy who jumped off the golden gate bridge and survived. He was trying to
00:33:02.000
commit suicide. And my thought has always been, man, is anything going through their mind? But
00:33:06.960
you know, five seconds is enough to think about the dire situation that you're in.
00:33:12.560
It is, but that's not what you're thinking about. What are you thinking about?
00:33:16.000
Honestly, you get that. It happens overseas too. Like the time dilation. I'm sure there were times
00:33:21.760
where it's like, that felt like 10 minutes and it was like 35 seconds.
00:33:25.020
Yeah. I can't really thought about it in those, in those terms, but just three seconds feel like
00:33:29.080
three seconds when you jump. Absolutely not. Now that I've done it a lot, I can feel and hear the
00:33:34.960
pilot sheet inflating. I can feel the bridle going to stretch. I can hear pins popping. I know if
00:33:41.320
something's going wrong and that takes two seconds. Wow. Two seconds. And for me to describe it takes
00:33:46.780
longer than it actually happening. Yeah. Yeah. You know, if you've read, uh, what is it? The rise of
00:33:51.680
Superman or, uh, champion's mind, like, or champion's mind too is another one. They talk
00:33:57.020
about that flow state and that people have done it for a really long time. And that's something
00:34:02.680
that they do all the time and they're trying to do it. And they're very objective about doing it all
00:34:06.560
the time. You literally get better at it. It's a trained skill. Better at what? Managing the time
00:34:12.680
and managing the dilation, all the information coming in. Like you have, this doesn't happen. You
00:34:18.240
don't have blinders. The blinders start going. Right. I can see that. Definitely. Because if
00:34:23.320
I'm in a situation, let's say I have very limited or no training, my natural reaction is going to be
00:34:28.640
very limited, very focused because my body inherently is just going to focus on the things
00:34:32.540
that are going to keep me alive versus some of these other factors that you could possibly
00:34:37.640
consider in order to keep yourself alive. That our brains do genetically. It's to keep us alive.
00:34:44.080
It's the same reason. Like, I don't know. Have you ever walked through recently? Have you ever
00:34:47.720
been like walking around in the house? You need to go get something and you walk through a
00:34:50.640
threshold and you forget what you're doing? Probably daily. Yeah. Okay. So I recently heard
00:34:54.460
why that happens from a friend of mine. That's a Marsat guy. He got out and you talked to a
00:34:58.800
psychologist and she's like, Oh, that's an easy thing to explain. He's like, Oh, cool. Cause I thought
00:35:02.260
I was going crazy. Our brains packetize stuff and then they prioritize based on threat level to keep
00:35:08.860
you alive. And we did so much training going in and out of thresholds, assessing rooms, whether or not
00:35:15.840
there's a threat that that's what your brain still thinks is a priority. So you go through there and
00:35:20.280
you've dropped all the other things. Cause that's not a damn priority. Cause you're taking priority
00:35:23.160
number one, which is what's going to kill me. Yeah. That makes me feel so much better.
00:35:27.440
Right. I was like, Oh God, I'm not crazy. That's awesome. That's interesting. Wow. So I always just
00:35:32.360
thought maybe it had something to do with, and I've done this and I'm sure all of us have where
00:35:35.580
you're driving the same route to your office, except for you're not really going to your office this
00:35:39.800
time. You're going to the grocery store and yet you just drive right to your office. You're like,
00:35:43.580
what am I doing? I was supposed to be going to the grocery store. Your brain prioritizes it. It's
00:35:47.160
making it really efficient, right? So you can only take in so many packets of information at a time.
00:35:51.320
So that's what's going on. So with your jumping, once you've internalized the fundamentals,
00:35:55.740
you no longer need to actually focus on that element of things. And you can focus on some
00:36:00.820
of these other variables. And there's some really cool brain science in respect to that,
00:36:04.080
where those packets and you actually get more efficient at uptaking them and then being able to
00:36:08.620
focus on other ones that you weren't able to focus on at an earlier date. It's really cool.
00:36:14.060
Yeah. I mean, I've experienced this a little bit, even with jujitsu, you know, where you get in
00:36:18.100
there and you're so focused on one thing and all of a sudden you're in a completely different hold
00:36:21.540
or a different move and something else is happening. You're like, I don't even know what
00:36:24.620
happened. And yet the more you practice, you're like, Oh, okay. I realized this is being set up for
00:36:29.720
this and I can take into this, this other, you know, he's got his feet here, his legs here,
00:36:34.100
but I'm not worried about that because I know what's going on here. Now I can focus on his arms or his
00:36:38.140
positioning. And so you expand your capability for more input. Yep. And it's the same thing that
00:36:42.940
base jumping skydiving. CQC is a great one. Like that's a great example. I mean, how bumbly do dudes
00:36:48.840
in buds look? You're talking about close quarter combat. Yeah. Okay. Just entering a room with two
00:36:53.060
guys and walking pace. They look like dog shit, right? Because you have no idea what's going on
00:36:58.940
and it's hyper complicated. And then you get into doing like multi-room eight man flow. Totally
00:37:04.500
different. Right. Your brain would explode if you tried to do that the first time. Right.
00:37:07.900
Same thing with base jumping. First step, crawl over the side of the bridge, have somebody holding
00:37:13.380
your bridle. You're not even worried about deploying the parachute yourself. Just exit
00:37:16.980
properly. What is the bridle? It's what attaches the pilot chute, which is the little baby pilot,
00:37:21.960
the baby parachute. Okay. To the main big parachute to pull all of it out. That small parachute is
00:37:28.620
actually the parachute for the parachute. Yeah. Is that what you're saying? Parachute for the parachute.
00:37:32.320
Okay. Yeah. I'm trying to just understand this. Okay. So it's a mechanical system that works on
00:37:38.080
drag. Right. And so it's pulling the parachute out. Otherwise it wouldn't come out. Probably not.
00:37:43.120
Or it's too slow. That would be another luck factor. Yeah. Interesting. I think so far the record's
00:37:48.760
zero on that. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. I'm just trying to wrap my head on how all this works.
00:37:54.440
Are you guys familiar with Dakota Meyer? So he, I think he just started jumping and he had sent me a message
00:38:00.400
or I saw him and I said, man, it looks awesome. Or take that on out of planes. And he's like,
00:38:07.100
yeah, man, you should come try it. I'm like, um, that's actually one of my greatest fears ever.
00:38:11.920
I don't know that I want to pitch the little baby parachute. Oh, so you threw it out there.
00:38:16.220
Yeah. You see how that works? Yeah. Okay. So those of you who can't see this,
00:38:19.520
there's a video and you just right after he jumped, just threw it, threw it out. And then that's what
00:38:24.700
caught to pull the rest of it. Exactly. So that's how that works. Well, when you text me,
00:38:28.240
you got to send me that instead of just being like, Hey, and that's, that's in the lab, right?
00:38:35.560
That was moab. Yeah. Okay. It's a really rad activity. I like it a lot. I like the people
00:38:39.440
I've met. There's actually a lot of special operations guys that are doing it because
00:38:43.100
it's an interesting corollary to the high intensity, hyper focused world that we had.
00:38:50.480
And I think it's a really, it's a nice outlet for dudes to be able to participate in as long
00:38:56.260
as they're doing it in a healthy manner and not overestimating their skill base. I'm glad,
00:39:01.680
I'm glad I started doing it in an earlier time in my career as a team guy. Cause I think if it had
00:39:07.600
been at the very, very end, I might have overestimated how good I could be at some ride.
00:39:11.680
That's what I was going to ask because I imagine somebody who's achieved a high level of skill
00:39:17.000
development in one area might assume that that naturally will translate into some other area.
00:39:21.780
A lot of crossover athletes are, I can almost say most crossover athletes into base jumping
00:39:28.620
are either turnkey, instant base jumpers that are really, really good at it. Cause they understand
00:39:34.160
the consequences and they understand how the practice works or their absolute nightmares to
00:39:38.880
be around because they think too highly of themselves and their skills. And it might not even be a conscious
00:39:43.640
ego thing. Like it not, might not be like some dude that you see, you know, barrel chest. Yeah,
00:39:48.620
I'm really good or some, some chick that's right. I got this. You can recognize that. It might not be
00:39:52.460
that. They might just somewhere back and back somewhere in there. They think I got it subconsciously
00:39:59.180
through no fault of their own. Other than they've had some success, which isn't a fault. Yeah.
00:40:03.140
They've had some success at some level. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. X games, athletes,
00:40:08.180
Olympic athletes, like guys that were in special operations for 20 years, you name the thing. Like
00:40:13.880
there's a fair amount of examples of people that have been crippled, hurt, killed because they were
00:40:19.440
really, really, really, really good at something else. The flip side of that is that also can keep
00:40:23.900
them alive or keep them doing this thing at a really high level. Yeah. At some point it's got a
00:40:29.060
okay example of that. I'm a good base jumper, but I'm also paying a lot of that respect back to the
00:40:36.000
skill base that I learned in the teams, all the hyper-focus and being able to just be chill.
00:40:40.860
Like I can calm myself down on exit points or in scenarios that
00:40:44.820
I've seen people just shaking. Right. Base jumping. It's like, look, you know, it's supposed
00:40:49.380
to be fun, right? Relax, dog. That's the thing is I just don't. I'm that guy. You are. It's just
00:40:56.360
different personalities. Relax, man. It's cool. I don't think there's a universe or a dimension
00:41:01.600
that exists where me as an individual would look at that and say, this is fun. Like,
00:41:10.420
I don't think I could have learned. It is okay. But what I'm saying is I don't think that's a
00:41:14.660
learned thing. I think there's a fundamental difference in the way that you and me are set
00:41:19.880
up. Exactly. For sure. Right. Because I don't get the shakes. I don't go bananas. Like it just
00:41:26.080
doesn't happen anymore. And I don't know if that's my adrenal glands just totally burned out or if it's,
00:41:32.560
I don't know. I don't know what it is. Because as a kid, like anybody listening, this is not
00:41:36.820
bullshit. You can ask my parents. I was scared shitless of heights. I was such a scared little
00:41:42.560
kid that I didn't even want to see the car driving on the freeway. I would like hide behind
00:41:45.740
a seat. Just reality. So you have learned it. Oh yeah. Somewhere in there. I don't know where,
00:41:50.940
I don't know when it started happening, but somewhere between me being that scared little
00:41:54.540
kid going to art school and then becoming a team guy. Yeah. It happened. That's awesome. I love the,
00:41:59.780
I didn't like packing the shoots. I didn't like free breathing on oxygen. I didn't like getting in the
00:42:04.480
plane and going up and sitting and waiting on weather holds and all that stuff. I did like
00:42:08.240
the jumping out part. Right. I liked the flying around part. Yeah. I did not so much like the
00:42:12.720
pulling part. Cause for me, it's like, okay, here we go. This is the part. I never got to that point
00:42:17.000
where I was so good at all of it, where it all became second nature. And I was thinking about
00:42:21.400
practicing, you know, anytime we had a jump, I was going through it in my head. I was, you know,
00:42:25.100
I was always a student of it. Well, I'm a student of everything for life anyway, but that particular
00:42:28.720
thing, I just remember getting to this point and then pulling like, okay, this is where I'm either
00:42:33.480
have to go through these emergency procedures or it's going to work out. Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't
00:42:37.620
like that part until it was over and I was under canopy and everything's looking good. And now I
00:42:42.460
just want to land close enough to where I'm supposed to that you guys don't make fun of me.
00:42:45.680
Yeah. Sort of in that area. Yeah. So I think also what made terminal list resonate with people is
00:42:51.520
that I didn't have like a superhuman character that was just good at everything. Yeah. He's not
00:42:55.660
like a cruise character in the mission impossible series. Like the dude is the best rock climber,
00:43:01.460
the best guy ever, the best, you name the thing. Like he drives a motorcycle without a helmet with
00:43:05.280
sunglasses on and urban environment. Come on, dog. Well, it's not, it's just not relatable on the
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planet that can do that. Right. Exactly. So usually they have their coffee black or whatever. And
00:43:13.600
sorry, sorry, Evan Hafer, but in the book he has his coffee, black gravel coffee with some honey and
00:43:19.180
some cream and then people make fun of him about it. It'll be okay. Stuff like that. So it's normal.
00:43:23.680
Yeah. So same thing with jumping. So in a book, when I have a chapter or two that is focused on
00:43:29.140
jumping out of a plane for an insertion or whatever else it is, then, uh, if the main
00:43:33.100
character is part of that jump and part of that chapter, I'm going to have it be human. Cause
00:43:37.420
that's something I can relate to. I can take my experience from jumping out and then apply it.
00:43:41.920
Should be scared, right? But then I can also have an awesome character here like Trevor and, uh,
00:43:47.020
it's cool, man. Yeah, exactly. He's jumping and doing all this stuff. So are you in the next book?
00:43:51.300
All that. He could definitely show up in a future novel. I would not count it out.
00:43:56.760
This has been cool. I'm fascinated by this stuff because it's just completely different than
00:44:00.800
my personality and everything I've ever done. I think I will take you up on that.
00:44:07.220
Yeah. Yeah. I can think of, uh, things that I definitely would not participate in, uh, by those
00:44:15.560
standards. So maybe we'll try that instead. Yeah, man. Well, cool. Right on. I appreciate it.
00:44:20.400
For sure. I'll ask you the same question. Cause I already asked Jack what the question,
00:44:23.780
what does it mean to be a man? But I'll ask you, what do you believe it means to be a man?
00:44:27.100
Let's see. I think it's the willingness to be objective with yourself and not be so selfish
00:44:33.180
that you can't be there for other people. And I know I put a big personality out there on social
00:44:39.760
media of lots of fitness and working out. And I constantly say, be an asset, not a liability.
00:44:45.000
I really, really, really firmly believe that actually a few days ago that came to fruition
00:44:49.360
in some part, somebody got hurt on a base jump. It was like a really, really, really bad
00:44:54.720
ankle turn. And it was about a mile and a half over really nasty terrain. I literally carried
00:44:59.700
them out, put them on my shoulders. It was a female. So she weighs about 125 pounds and
00:45:04.500
I carried her about a mile and a half, you know, be an asset, not a liability. And that's,
00:45:10.420
I think a lot of life comes down to that. You know, if you can be an asset and a liability,
00:45:14.880
then you give a shit about other people. And I got a lot of that from being in the teams
00:45:19.300
and a lot of that from being how I was raised. That's what I really think being a man would
00:45:24.560
be, be an asset. Don't be a liability to anybody.
00:45:27.940
Yeah. I like that. Cool. Where do we connect with you?
00:45:30.360
I'm on Instagram. It's Thompson underscore Parisports and my email and all sorts of stuff's
00:45:35.100
on there. And then I just started working as a field photographer for Black Rifle Coffee.
00:45:39.000
Nice. So just had FNN on the podcast maybe five weeks ago, four or five weeks ago.
00:45:43.820
Sick. Yeah. So I'm sure you guys will see my pictures and video floating around.
00:45:48.860
And you post some wild workouts on Instagram, which I've seen.
00:45:52.600
And most of them are super accessible. I try and do stuff.
00:45:58.280
Yeah. I have noticed that. Cool. We'll sync it all up so the guys can track you down.
00:46:03.980
Gents, there you go. My conversation, my off the cuff conversation, I should say. Again,
00:46:09.240
I apologize about the audio, but I thought just being able to sit down with Trevor and
00:46:12.900
talk about risk and talk about some of the crazy stuff that he's doing. And I just thought
00:46:17.040
it would be a great conversation. I thought it'd be something that you'd be interested
00:46:19.560
in. And of course, all of us are exposed to varying degrees of risk in our lives. And
00:46:24.100
I just don't think we think about it enough. What's the risk versus the reward and how do we
00:46:28.200
mitigate risk? And I hope there was some value in that conversation that gives you a perspective
00:46:32.360
on how you approach your life and the risks that you're taking in your life. If you resonated
00:46:37.520
with what me and Trevor said, connect with us on, I would say Instagram. I know Trevor's
00:46:42.540
very, very active on Instagram. If you want, you can go to orderofman.com slash 205 as an
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episode 205. I've got the links to his social media profiles, to his website. He's training
00:46:54.460
and he's showing others how to do some of the stuff that he does. So if any of that is
00:46:58.280
of interest to you, certainly check that out. I think I'm going to take him up on his offer
00:47:03.380
to take me out. Although it's a fear I will certainly, certainly have to work up towards
00:47:08.660
to overcome. Anyways, guys, just wanted to share that with you. I hope that all is going
00:47:13.500
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00:47:18.840
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00:47:24.340
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00:47:28.440
So I appreciate you. I'm glad to be on this journey with you. I'm glad to be standing shoulder to
00:47:31.940
shoulder with strong men. You inspire me probably more than I inspire you, whether you believe that
00:47:37.260
or not. And it's good. It's good to stand with strong, motivated, ambitious men. And I'm honored
00:47:42.740
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00:47:48.260
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00:47:51.140
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00:47:56.020
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