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00:00:00.000 Although many of us may never enter a mixed martial arts contest, there are so many life

00:00:04.540 lessons that can be learned from stepping into a ring where another man literally wants to destroy

00:00:08.800 you. How do you prepare? How do you succeed? How do you get up when you get knocked down?

00:00:13.080 And what are the attributes of the world's most successful fighters and men?

00:00:18.100 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

00:00:22.940 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:28.060 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is

00:00:35.040 who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done,

00:00:40.760 you can call yourself a man. Welcome back, guys. My name is Ryan

00:00:45.080 Nickler. You are in for such a good show today. So many insights into how to succeed in life,

00:00:49.320 which if you're listening to this, I'm sure that that's something that you want to do.

00:00:52.860 And you'll also want to be sure to stick around at the end of this show because I asked boss what

00:00:56.440 he thinks about America. And as an immigrant, he has some really, really insightful stuff to share.

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00:01:11.520 us your review at orderofman.com slash iTunes. Now, remember, as always, we've got the show notes

00:01:17.120 up for this show and they can be found at orderofman.com slash 018. Now, let me introduce you

00:01:23.600 to our guest, former UFC heavyweight champion, Bas Rutten. Now, in addition to being a UFC heavyweight

00:01:30.360 champion, he is a UFC Hall of Famer, a three-time King of Pancras world champion, and finished his

00:01:35.920 career on a 22-fight unbeaten streak. He has worked as a commentator in several MMA organizations.

00:01:43.040 He's appeared in numerous television shows, movies, and also video games. He now coaches MMA and has

00:01:48.720 authored several instructional materials. But lately, he has added inventor to the list of

00:01:53.800 accomplishments as the creator of the O2 Trainer, which is a system designed to strengthen the lungs

00:01:59.520 of athletes, singers, musicians, scuba divers, you name it, through what he calls lung resistance.

00:02:07.420 Bas, I'm so excited to have you on the show. Thanks for joining us today.

00:02:10.660 Thank you for having me.

00:02:12.020 So, we're going to have a good time. I'm going to talk about mental fortitude and strength and

00:02:15.640 fitness and health, all the things that you know way more about than I do. So, I think we're going

00:02:20.180 to have a great conversation.

00:02:21.700 Oh, well, I hope I know more than you do.

00:02:25.340 Well, why don't you tell me a little bit about your background? How did you get into

00:02:29.080 mixed martial arts? And is that something you've always done? Is that something that you grew to

00:02:34.260 love? Tell me a little bit about that.

00:02:36.020 Oh, it goes all the way back till I was a kid. I was a kid with a very sick kid, had severe asthma,

00:02:43.120 and I had severe eczema, or everywhere in my face, my hands. So, I was the kid that always

00:02:47.900 got picked on and bullied. And I think that from there, I got my desire to fight. I sneaked

00:02:53.720 into a movie theater one time when we were on vacation with my family and friends. Bruce

00:02:58.220 Lee's Enter the Dragon, the movie. And I realized that if I would be like Bruce Lee, I would have

00:03:04.420 no more problems in my life. And that's pretty much how it started.

00:03:07.820 Really? So, did you get in any like schoolyard fights and have to defend yourself? Is that

00:03:12.340 kind of where it started? Or how did, like, do you remember the first fight you ever got

00:03:15.760 into?

00:03:16.340 Yeah, you know, before I never, I just got bullied. But words are way worse, I always say

00:03:21.560 to people than getting a beating. I was always a good athlete. I was skinny because of my asthma,

00:03:27.080 but I never lost a fight if they picked a fight with me, which a lot of kids didn't do because

00:03:31.640 I had that axiom. They thought it was contagious. But then finally, I trained for, let's say,

00:03:39.160 two and a half, three months, Taekwondo. My parents finally allowed me to do that. And then

00:03:44.820 my confidence started rising because I was training with adults. Somebody took me under

00:03:48.340 his wing and I started dropping adults. And I was 14. So then when I got in, the biggest

00:03:54.140 building in town came again. He shouted something. Everybody rides a bike in Holland. And he's

00:03:59.380 with six, seven guys. And they're shouting something again, like, hey, leper or whatever.

00:04:03.940 It was always something along those lines. And this time I shouted something back. And

00:04:07.680 they all, I remember them laughing and turning around. And they started following me. But

00:04:12.460 I right away stopped my bike, put it on the stand. And I was, I was just, I said, okay,

00:04:16.540 I'm not going to run anymore. Now I'm going to just take care of this problem. And I knocked

00:04:19.660 one shot, the biggest building in town. And that was it. It was 90, 95% of the bullying

00:04:24.860 stopped. You know, it was just one punch and it changed everything. It was

00:04:29.280 bad also because he broke his nose, had to go to the hospital. So the police showed

00:04:32.180 up at my mom and dad's doorstep. So they took me off Taekwondo right away. So then

00:04:37.820 I had to wait until I was 21 when I moved out the house. And then I kickstarted everything

00:04:42.800 again. I started Taekwondo, Thai boxing. That's pretty much how it all started.

00:04:49.480 So what's your take on bullying? Because I know in America, I'm sure all over the world,

00:04:53.140 there's a big issue right now with bullying. And I'd love to know your take and your opinion

00:04:57.440 on it since coming from the background you did, where you felt like you were bullied

00:05:01.100 and had some of those experiences firsthand. What are your thoughts with bullying now?

00:05:05.880 Still, it's even worse now with the social media, people creating false identities and

00:05:10.180 kids and even adults listening to it. You know, it's, it's very, how do I say, human like to

00:05:16.900 get, let's say, if you get 150 great reactions, but there's one bad reaction, they always pull

00:05:23.740 towards the bad reaction, you know? And these are just people with a, how do I say, with a lower IQ?

00:05:29.880 I mean, who in the right state of mind wants to, you know, create a fake account and think that is

00:05:36.180 actually a cool thing and then just start begging on somebody else because he's probably jealous or

00:05:41.060 something. So they're not the smartest people. Unfortunately, they have to deal with it. But

00:05:45.380 yeah, some, some kids cannot deal with it. And they even commit suicide. It's, it's,

00:05:50.340 it's horrible. You know, I hope that, um, how do I say this? Like, well, I met bullies now,

00:05:55.880 like a couple of years ago who bullied me. They didn't even remember what the things they said

00:06:00.120 to me. And to me, for me, it was vivid. I was almost going to hit them, you know? And, uh,

00:06:05.300 and they were very lucky that they were very nice to me. Otherwise it would have stabbed them in the

00:06:08.820 face. Yeah. It was such a, just such an anger I carried with me and, but they didn't even know 0.99

00:06:14.340 anymore. So that's the sad part. It's for them. It's such, they just throw it out as out as

00:06:19.660 nothing. And, uh, but it affects somebody really hard. So, uh, yeah, I wish it would stop.

00:06:25.900 Yeah, no, I get that. And it sounds like just you taking action and finding a way to just

00:06:29.900 defend yourself was the best out and the best way for you to deal with that. So do you still

00:06:33.780 suffer from asthma and that's something you, you always work, uh, against or has that pretty much,

00:06:39.140 you know, outgrown that? I don't know exactly how that works.

00:06:41.740 Yeah. Well, what happened was, believe it or not, I have an invention, the O2 trainer it's called.

00:06:46.480 And I made that invention when I was 13 or 14 years old, because I realized that after I did

00:06:51.720 also track and field. And if I did track and field, if I had an asthma attack, let's say this,

00:06:56.080 if I had an asthma attack for about a week in bed, I couldn't do anything in bed after the asthma

00:07:00.940 attack, when I would resume my track and field, I will break my running times. And it was all the

00:07:04.780 time the same. And it drove me nuts. I had no clue why that was until I paid a visit at the doctor's

00:07:09.400 office. I realized that the, you know, it's the bronchioles, it's the, the area, the,

00:07:13.160 the, the air pipes to the lungs. It's not in a long sack, so to say, it's the infection.

00:07:17.400 This is what you think as a kid, but it's in the pipe to the lungs. So I realized, by the way,

00:07:21.760 wait a minute. So my lungs had to work really hard to pull air in through an affected area.

00:07:25.980 So why don't I come up with something that controls the air intake? And I start working

00:07:29.760 with that. Now that thing eventually got made and, uh, I started training with the prototype.

00:07:35.180 I had my entire life. I had asthma. And for the last almost two and a half years now,

00:07:39.200 it's completely gone since I started using that thing. So it works really, really well. It

00:07:44.980 strengthens, just strengthens your lungs. It cured the asthma for my friends, you know,

00:07:49.060 from people on the website. Medically, I can't claim it yet because I want to do medical testing

00:07:53.520 for that. And that's cost a lot of money, but that actually cured me for my, my asthma. I,

00:07:58.040 I even used an inhaler when I was fighting for my world title fights. I always carried an inhaler

00:08:03.220 with me and I don't have it anymore. Wow. That's impressive. So you said you stopped because

00:08:08.120 you got in this fight. Um, so you stopped, you stopped your, your formal training and it sounds

00:08:12.400 like you stopped for about five or six years. So that's a big gap, especially when you consider

00:08:16.920 those, you know, those years, 18 to 20, 21, those are probably years where a lot of guys

00:08:22.540 are training hard and they're in peak physical, uh, you know, uh, condition. What were you doing

00:08:27.540 during that time? You know, I was, uh, I was the weird kid always. I was, uh, I was spending

00:08:32.640 my time in the forest. I, um, I could literally go pretty much throughout the whole forest. I had

00:08:37.280 to maybe come down four times from treetop to treetop. I was like, uh, uh, Tarzan kind

00:08:43.420 of kid, you know, and he came always in heavy bullies if they would, you know, come after

00:08:47.900 me. So I was always doing that. So I think that's where my athleticism comes from. Also

00:08:52.280 my family, my, my, my father's side are all athletes. My brother was a really good athlete.

00:08:56.680 He is a really good athlete. Well, he doesn't do it anymore. And of course, what I did also,

00:09:00.520 I went to the, uh, library and, and looked at books from karate and taekwondo and everything

00:09:06.780 I could get my hands done. And I just memorized them all really good and looking at pictures

00:09:11.280 and then do what's on the picture. Right. Not reinventing the wheel, but just learning

00:09:15.560 what you can from other people and resources. It sounds like that's it. You steal from everybody.

00:09:20.120 I always say. So when's the first time now you, you were in the UFC. So when is the first

00:09:26.740 time that you stepped, you know, foot in, in that ring, I'm sure you've had fights before

00:09:30.800 that. And, and what was that like? What was that experience like for you?

00:09:34.420 You know, I, I, I did Thai boxing before in Holland and I was a total animal, like not 1.00

00:09:39.320 control, no control. I knocked a lot of guys out because I was just very strong and explosive,

00:09:43.580 but you know, it shouldn't go more than two or three rounds because I would be really,

00:09:47.760 really tired because I used weight. And, uh, I, when I got invited to go to Japan, they

00:09:53.900 called it free fighting at a time that was before the UFC even started. I started fighting

00:09:58.140 in Japan and it was a completely different scene. Like the people in Japan, nobody screams.

00:10:04.720 It's, uh, unlike anywhere else on the planet, they actually know that the professional is

00:10:09.600 the person in the ring because in Japan it's in the ring. And so everybody's quiet. You can

00:10:14.320 literally, uh, if your, your corner would sit in the 20th or in the 30th row. If he speaks

00:10:19.560 the volume that I use right now, I can literally hear him. It's that quiet. Nobody makes. Oh wow.

00:10:24.840 Yeah. So, but when you knock somebody down, they go nuts for about 10 seconds and then it's quiet

00:10:29.780 again. And that did something to me. I think that I became a complete different fighter. I became a

00:10:36.620 very calm, relaxed, calculated fighter. It was weird though, because the first, I was used to fighting

00:10:42.080 five rounds of three minutes in Thai boxing. And, uh, and I expected that there as well. And I

00:10:47.980 expected weight classes and my opponent, it started with my opponent being 45 pounds heavier

00:10:52.120 than I was. And it was a tall guy, the tallest Japanese guy I've ever seen. And then, uh, well,

00:10:56.980 not the tallest, but a tall guy. And, um, I said, so is this, what, what's going on with the weight

00:11:01.960 class? They said, Oh, we have no weight class. Everybody fights everybody. So that's cool. I

00:11:05.320 said, so what about the rounds? How many rounds do we have? They said one round. I said, great.

00:11:09.380 How many minutes? 30. I go, great, great, great, great. But you know, it's inside. I wasn't that happy.

00:11:16.260 I go with 30 minute fight, you know? So that was a little bit of a shocker in the beginning,

00:11:20.260 but then once I stepped in, it was all so comfortable. It was really weird. I was in

00:11:24.140 a different dimension. It almost looked like, and I knocked him out 43 seconds. That was my first,

00:11:28.480 uh, knockout. Good for you. Yeah. You didn't want to go that 30 minutes. It doesn't sound like.

00:11:32.760 No, I did not. Trust me. So what are some of the hardest lessons you've learned in your time in the

00:11:40.080 ring? Are there some experiences that stand out that was really a learning opportunity for you or,

00:11:44.560 or some difficulties or trials you've overcome? Well, you know, the, the, it sounds so cheesy

00:11:50.280 when I say never give up, you know, you never, you can, you can switch a fight. You can flip a

00:11:54.300 fight in seconds. My second fight, when I went to Japan, I was feeling really bad. They allowed me

00:12:00.780 to, they woke me up at like eight in the morning. I had to travel till like two 30 in the afternoon.

00:12:05.720 Then they checked me into a hotel, 30 minutes to change. And then I had to go to the arena

00:12:09.760 to fight. Now I was already sick. I came from Holland at that time. I lived in Holland.

00:12:14.860 So the jet lag to Japan is the worst jet lag. You know, that means that you're awake all night

00:12:19.640 because nighttime is daytime. And then you fall asleep around six, hopefully seven in the morning.

00:12:24.280 So I slept like an hour, maybe an hour and a half. And I was throwing up and I cut into the fight.

00:12:29.820 And this guy gets me in an arm bar, which is like a submission hold. And I just wanted that.

00:12:35.080 I wanted to get out, but his, the audience started chanting his name. And for some reason that

00:12:42.360 made me angry. I go, you know what? No, I'm not going to, I got out of the arm bar.

00:12:47.880 And then 30 seconds later, I knock him out to the knee to the body. Uh, and really always told

00:12:53.000 myself after that fight, because I was really close. I was really close to just tapping and to giving up.

00:12:58.880 And then I realized, wow, still, when you're really tired, when you feel really sick, you can still

00:13:04.340 flip it. You know, let's just for, from now on, always keep going and push that crazy thought

00:13:09.840 of, of tapping, of quitting, push it out of your head. And, and that's what I did for the rest of

00:13:15.020 my career. Right. Yeah. And it sounds like you've had an amazing career. Um, UFC heavyweight champion,

00:13:20.220 if that's right, if I, if I understand that correctly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, you know,

00:13:24.880 I, for my last 22 fights, I didn't lose anymore. Uh, I, I owe that to just, you know, what I learned

00:13:31.000 also in the beginning, I was a striker. So they submitted me and the only way I lost would be

00:13:35.120 by a submission, the submission for the people who don't understand. It's like, you have all the

00:13:39.260 holes you have in judo or in jujitsu, like a, a joke, an arm bar, you know, a neck crank. That is

00:13:43.920 all things that you can submit somebody with. And I realized that after my last loss, I, I, I just got

00:13:49.700 really fed up with it. And I just started training solely the ground game for two, three times,

00:13:54.880 a day, nonstop, didn't do anything else. I got obsessed by it. I woke up my wife in the middle

00:14:00.580 of the night. I always use that example because I would dream a submission. I will put her in the 0.93

00:14:04.620 submission. I would have heard that I would write it down, that I would go back to the gym in the

00:14:09.600 morning and I try it out on everybody. You know, I just got crazy about submission, but it was it,

00:14:14.960 you know, once I did that, I never lost a fight anymore. So just work on your weaknesses. That's

00:14:19.780 pretty much what that part says. Now, if I understand correctly, I did a little bit of research

00:14:24.340 and if I understand this correctly, you've, you've submitted opponents, but you've never

00:14:30.060 taken an opponent, an opponent down. Is that correct? Always, always on your feet trying

00:14:34.440 to strike rather than takedowns? Yeah. Yeah, that was it. I was never a great wrestler and

00:14:39.640 I was, because in wrestling schools in Holland, I mean, I think if you have three of them in,

00:14:43.980 in, in the entire Holland, I think that's, that's a lot, you know, it's, so it's not as big

00:14:48.240 as a sport as this in America. So I figured, you know, I'm a good striker, you know,

00:14:52.180 I'm better than them. I know that for sure. But, uh, the ground, you know, I better get

00:14:56.840 much better at it because if they take me down, then I can go for submissions. And that's what

00:15:00.920 I pretty much did. Yeah. I read those stats when the UFC did their, uh, uh, what is it?

00:15:06.840 Their, their press release from the induction of the hall of fame. And I read the same, right?

00:15:10.780 Oh man, that's, that's, yeah, that is funny to read. I never attempted a single takedown yet. I

00:15:15.640 have, I have more wins, 15 wins by submission and 10 by knockout. So yeah.

00:15:19.780 That's interesting. Yeah. So what is, uh, what is your training? I mean, I'm sure you're,

00:15:24.620 you're obviously still in physical shape. I imagine that's a, a, uh, a lesson or a habit

00:15:29.660 that stays with you for life. And that's a lifestyle rather than this is a career decision.

00:15:34.860 What is your training schedule look like now compared to what it was, you know, over the

00:15:39.560 last 10 to 15 years? You know, I've been, I've been a little unfortunate with a few things,

00:15:44.260 but, but, uh, it's only a little bit. Um, you know, in, in fighting, I could do anything.

00:15:49.100 I could, I could jump, make flip flaps and backflips and the whole nine yards. I never

00:15:53.640 got seriously injured, so to say. And then I decided to do some TV and movie stuff. And

00:15:59.460 then the TV show, I got this crazy idea that it would be good for that particular shot,

00:16:04.400 you know, to me to drop on top of my head down. And it's a long explanation. It's something

00:16:09.540 I should have never done and crushed my neck and it crushed my, my nerves in my neck. So

00:16:14.320 for four years, I lost pretty much control of my right arm. I couldn't even lift the milk

00:16:19.120 out of the freighter anymore. I had three major neck surgeries. The last one being the biggest,

00:16:23.560 like a seven hour surgery front and back plates in my neck. Um, and, and this actually, this

00:16:29.060 is the first time when I came out of like, I can snap my fingers as you can hear. I couldn't

00:16:32.700 do that for four years. I couldn't pull up. I couldn't do anything. And now I actually,

00:16:36.160 my whole, my arm was atrophied. Now it starts slowly, but surely it starts coming back again.

00:16:41.940 So I'm really looking out on that. I like to work out in a pool or in the ocean with

00:16:46.860 resistance tools. I do a lot of power training in there. And then recently now I started power

00:16:51.920 training at my gym. So do you recommend, you know, you talk about working on the pool of

00:16:55.860 the ocean with resistance training. Obviously that's low impact training. Is that what you

00:16:59.700 recommend for a lot of people? Is there do more of this low impact stuff? Yeah, I really

00:17:04.820 do. I, it makes me really feel good. I do 30 repetitions of each and you can decide if

00:17:09.920 you go slow, you have less resistance. If you go fast, you have more resistance. So

00:17:14.020 you can literally really take any piece of any ounce of energy and you, you can't take

00:17:19.020 it out. You just keep going until you can't go anymore. And I think once you start doing

00:17:23.640 that, I always did it like that. I always increased. I always loved everything. I would

00:17:29.180 always say, okay, this is the way that I'm doing today. Next week, that's going to have

00:17:32.140 to be more. I'm going to do this amount of repetitions. And then I would always do the

00:17:36.600 repetitions. Once they get more and more and more, I increase the weight and constantly

00:17:41.080 do that. So you only get stronger. And of course people say, yeah, but eventually you're going

00:17:45.460 to hit a plafond, you know, a ceiling. And I said, and never happened with me. You know,

00:17:50.140 it's so weird. You can do such an amazing things with your body. If you just push it the whole

00:17:54.980 time, make sure though, this is a very important thing because I didn't understand it in the

00:17:58.800 beginning that you take rest. You know, your muscles need rest in order to grow and grow

00:18:04.160 stronger again. I didn't know that all the way in the beginning of my career. I thought

00:18:07.480 the harder I train, the more I train, the better it is. But that, uh, it caused me to overtrain

00:18:11.820 and it took like three or four months for me to get back from that.

00:18:15.200 Right. Yeah. Yeah. And you end up exposing yourself to injuries at that point. It sounds

00:18:19.180 like.

00:18:19.580 Yeah. What you're doing is what people don't realize you can train everything in your body,

00:18:22.580 right? So if a bone breaks, I always say, and it heals at that spot and you heal it the

00:18:26.920 correct way. So you give it time to heal. It'll never break there again. So it makes

00:18:30.640 you stronger. It's the same. You can do what you will power. You can just say no, just

00:18:33.740 say no, just eventually get used to it. And it's easier to say no. And it's the same

00:18:37.540 thing with your muscles. If you train your muscles, what you're doing is you're breaking

00:18:40.880 down your muscles, but your body is such an amazing tool. It regenerates your muscles.

00:18:45.820 The only, it makes them stronger. So if you really break them down, your body gets back

00:18:50.940 stronger. That's why the gross muscles grow. If you guys, if you don't give them protein and

00:18:56.300 if you don't give them food and you don't give them rest, they cannot recoup. So if

00:19:00.640 you keep breaking them down, you simply can't grow. And I didn't realize that. And I found

00:19:05.860 out the hard way, you know, 4% body fat. I mean, and I just passed out one day and that

00:19:12.260 was it. And then I realized, oh, I couldn't get out of bed. I was so, so tired. So, and

00:19:16.840 then, and then when the doctor explained this to me, like I just explained it and I start

00:19:22.500 taking like a day rest here and a day rest there, I got way stronger suddenly. That's

00:19:28.040 when I found out, okay, you know, your body really needs the rest. Give it the rest, give

00:19:32.400 it the food it needs and you become stronger and stronger.

00:19:34.920 Interesting. Now, my question is, and this I've experienced in my own life, even just

00:19:39.640 last week, my wife and I literally hiked in Arizona 40 miles, right around 40 miles in

00:19:46.640 a matter of three days. And what I've noticed is that the body can actually go a lot further

00:19:51.500 than sometimes your mind will allow you to do. How have you overcome the resistance of

00:19:57.740 your mind telling you it hurts or you should stop? And how do you determine whether you

00:20:02.300 really should or whether you need to push through that and keep going?

00:20:05.360 You know, it's, it's all building up slowly but surely. You, indeed, what you said, you can

00:20:11.460 go further. There's moments that you really want to stop. I just always think about the

00:20:15.200 person that I'm going to face and that he's going to do three rounds extra now. That's

00:20:20.280 what I always think. And then I just keep going. You also can simply try to flip that

00:20:26.940 pain feeling and the really tiredness feeling. Try to start loving it. You know, really start

00:20:32.640 hunting for that tired feeling. Make yourself think, I want to get to that feeling because

00:20:36.900 I love that feeling. I love that feeling. You can trick your mind and suddenly you start

00:20:40.500 liking it. Now, you got to watch out with that because that was a problem with me, of course,

00:20:44.380 as well because then you can overtrain again. But then I realized this really easy system

00:20:48.600 what I do. For instance, the easiest way to explain it is like I do four days a week or

00:20:53.360 three days a week. I did these 15 rounds on the back and it started, that's after a workout.

00:20:58.780 I do 15 one-minute rounds on the back. This is eight weeks out before a fight. I go as hard

00:21:05.700 as I can. I write like eight combinations down and then I do those eight combinations and then

00:21:10.860 I repeat those eight combinations. Well, one less than, of course, to make 15 rounds.

00:21:15.640 Every combination I do as hard as I can. Every combination is as hard power as I can. So you

00:21:20.400 can do this for a minute. But a minute is a really long time if you hit like that. You get

00:21:25.240 really, really tired. Now, the next week I go one minute and five seconds. So I take five seconds

00:21:30.980 extra work time and I take five seconds away from my rest time. So it's going to be 55 seconds rest and

00:21:36.680 one minute and five seconds working. Then the next week I do the same thing. I do one minute,

00:21:41.260 10 seconds and 50 seconds rest. I go one minute, 15 seconds to 45 seconds rest. Every time I increase

00:21:47.800 the payloads ever by five seconds and I take away rest five seconds. And until I am at 10 rounds or 15

00:21:54.640 rounds at one and a half minute, full blast with only 30 seconds rest. You know, and now you train

00:22:00.420 your body slowly but gradually to throw out more and more and more power and you don't overtrain this

00:22:06.320 way. You know, if I would go 15 rounds to one and a half minute, I don't know if I even actually

00:22:11.220 can do it. But if I would do that for like three weeks in a row, I burn out. You know, I'm going to

00:22:16.060 peak way too soon. So that was the thing I always used to do. And that becomes your new normal then,

00:22:21.100 it sounds like, is that added level of frequency and duration. That's really it. You know, and you

00:22:28.820 think five seconds is not a lot. Five seconds is three combinations again. You know, it goes fast.

00:22:33.280 And once you do it, these extra five seconds, you're going to realize, well, five seconds is a

00:22:37.760 long time. It's so weird that people think, if I put people, I have this crazy drill that I do. It's

00:22:43.020 just twisting your upper body. You cross your hands in front of you, put your right hand on your left

00:22:46.540 shoulder and vice versa. And you put your feet next to each other like a horse stance. You grab the floor

00:22:51.340 with your feet, so to say, so you lock in and you only rotate your upper body. You explode it left to

00:22:56.400 right. As fast as you can. Do that for one minute. Just one simple minute and see how that feels.

00:23:02.780 People are going to go, whoa, what's going on? It's a long minute. After 30 seconds,

00:23:07.600 you're looking at the clock, you go, there's no way that this is 30 seconds. And that's, you know,

00:23:11.860 just learn to deal with that. Just push it. And once it becomes normal again, here we go again,

00:23:16.100 you can train that habit. You can train everything. You can train to make yourself like the feeling.

00:23:22.360 And once you do that, you know, then everything becomes much easier. If you start fighting it,

00:23:27.160 I don't want to get tired. I don't want to get tired. Well, you know, what do I say? If you can't beat

00:23:31.780 them, join them. And that's literally what I'm doing. You know, I can't beat that tired feeling.

00:23:36.720 I might as well be happy with it. And just convince yourself.

00:23:41.760 And the perception. What's interesting is you said, and I go back to something you said earlier,

00:23:45.600 is that you can't do all of that, what you're talking about now, without taking meticulous notes

00:23:51.520 and keeping record and track of everything you're doing. And that's not just in fighting,

00:23:55.340 which I don't have any experience, but that's also just in, in business and in life that you've

00:24:00.100 got to find a way to find out what your current benchmark is and then work on those small goals

00:24:06.000 and gradually increase, just like in your training, the frequency and duration and intensity and do

00:24:12.260 that in business and do that with your family and do that with all of those things.

00:24:15.860 That's it. It's exactly everything. You know, what I say is finding you can apply to any job.

00:24:20.980 You know, it's all about just getting used to it. If you don't like it, well, you're going to have

00:24:25.780 to do it because you better make sure that you are going to be familiar with it. You know,

00:24:29.600 if your nerves are in front of people, well, I don't care. The things I would do is sit in a bus

00:24:35.420 and I started singing and everybody's looking. I just sing, you know, and those were kind of

00:24:40.000 things that you just, if you do that three or four, five times, people don't even notice anymore.

00:24:44.400 You realize, wow, you know, you get used to these things so fast. It's just doing it.

00:24:48.540 Let's talk about nutrition a little bit because we've talked a little bit about training now.

00:24:52.800 What do your meals consist of when you're training versus maybe off-season or off-time

00:24:59.140 and how does that translate to, you know, an average guy like myself and what we should

00:25:04.160 be putting in the fuel that we should be putting into our bodies?

00:25:07.360 Here's another thing that I learned the hard way. Well, not the hard way because I have just

00:25:11.100 really an amazing body. You know, it's really that my dad's genetics, like if you look at my brother

00:25:15.340 who's been a lawyer now for the last 25 years, he doesn't train at all and he looks great.

00:25:21.780 You know, so we're just blessed. You know, I can eat whatever I want. But what I did realize

00:25:26.200 is when I made a comeback in my fighting at 42 and that was after seven years of not fighting,

00:25:32.980 not competing. And that was the first time I got a nutritionist who would tell me what to eat

00:25:39.300 and what not to eat. And that fight, I think I looked even better physically than I did when I

00:25:45.700 was speaking in my career. You know, and that's when I realized, wow, food is a big thing. So

00:25:50.580 nowadays, you know, you get older, you start thinking about more healthy things. Yeah, the food,

00:25:56.080 healthy food is very important. I like to take like very light meals in the morning. Quinoa is something

00:26:02.280 that I take. If I take any kind of grain and more people have that my age or even when they,

00:26:07.560 after 40 years old, if you take, if you eat bread and you get all bloated and your stomach starts

00:26:12.700 hurting, you're allergic to grains. And believe it or not, there's a lot of people have that. And

00:26:16.940 it's not really the grain grain, but sometimes it's also they put too much yeast or, yeah, I think

00:26:22.860 it's called yeast here in bread because they want to make sure it rises, you know, and that it's always

00:26:29.440 good. So they always add a little more than is really necessary. And once you get started

00:26:33.800 to build something up for that, you know, it starts working against you. And when I found that

00:26:39.320 out, somebody would, because one person told me to just eat vegetables for a whole week, cook

00:26:44.360 vegetables, take a Chick-fil-A, throw it in there, you know, eat and just do that. And I did that for

00:26:50.040 one week and the feeling was gone. And I had that feeling for years, like a horrible feeling in my

00:26:54.680 stomach the whole day. So then I realized, wow, food is everything. And now I start

00:26:58.800 juicing. It's something I do. The quinoa, when I eat that, you have to feel nothing. It gets

00:27:03.820 absorbed, it absorbs in the body. You don't even feel getting tired. It's a really great thing. I

00:27:10.360 eat potato bread because potato bread doesn't have as much grains in it as normal bread. And this,

00:27:17.800 that's the only bread I can eat that I don't have that crazy feeling in my stomach. And for the rest,

00:27:22.680 I, you know, steak, everything is now too much, not too much, two or two times a week. For the rest,

00:27:27.280 it's chicken or fish. You know, if I order a pizza, I always tell him, I say to put half the

00:27:31.640 amount of cheese on it, you know, and it's not because I don't like cheese or what it doesn't

00:27:36.840 really matter, but too much cheese, too much dairy. I would like to stay away from that,

00:27:40.840 you know, hold the saturated fats a little low and for the rest, add a little more veggies.

00:27:45.740 I know that's the way with me when I eat bread. Like you said, I just feel bloated. I feel really

00:27:49.340 uncomfortable. And I'm the same with dairy. Like I could, I go have a Dairy Queen Blizzard,

00:27:53.160 which I love, but like, I can feel that five minutes after I eat that. And I just try to

00:27:58.540 avoid that stuff. And I feel so much better when I do. Yeah, you know, try it because I,

00:28:03.180 what I did, I went over to rice, not realizing brown rice is a grain, you know, and I still had

00:28:11.720 that horrible feeling and it would really mentally got to me. And once I found that out, once I started

00:28:16.880 doing the quinoa and the vegetables and that disappeared, wow, that was a big eye opener. You know,

00:28:22.500 once you don't have that feeling anymore, you just feel great. Right. Yeah. Almost just trying

00:28:26.880 to figure out, you know, obviously eating healthy and there's not a whole lot of new information out

00:28:30.540 there, but it's just a matter of implementing it into your life and making it work into your life

00:28:34.580 and your system and the way you run your day. Right. That's it. That's the whole thing. Again,

00:28:38.280 it's a habit, you know, just create that habit. If that habit means that if you have to go more to the

00:28:43.460 store, you know, then, well, you're going to have to get a half hour up earlier. You know,

00:28:48.060 that's how you do it. I don't have the time. Well, wake up 30 minutes earlier. Yeah. But then I don't have

00:28:51.940 my sleep, go to bed 30 minutes earlier. It's very simple. You know, you just have to do it

00:28:56.540 and then you can do it. How do you, how do you do that personally when, you know, something's hard,

00:29:01.440 but you know, it needs to be done or, or even that you want to do it, but the world seems to be

00:29:05.380 fighting against you. How do you find yourself creating new habits and doing the things that

00:29:10.920 you know you should be doing? It's like, you know, once I found out you can train everything in

00:29:16.140 your body, it's, um, it's very easy to do it. It's like, for instance, drinking, you know,

00:29:21.300 people all the time, like, yes, they had a few more drinks than I should have had. And, and,

00:29:25.520 you know, and, and not a lot, it's not like I'm drunk. It's not that, but it's just that I feel

00:29:30.060 tipsy and I go, ah, I shouldn't have taken those drinks. So this morning I wake up and I already told

00:29:33.980 myself now today, I'm not going to drink anything, not even one glass with the whatever, you know?

00:29:39.280 And if I really put that in my mind, um, that I think that comes from my fighting. I would say

00:29:44.680 in fighting, I would say, okay, do every, in the beginning of my career, I did 12 rounds two times

00:29:49.220 a day on a bag. And if I could not do 12 rounds, I could not look at myself in the mirror at night

00:29:55.020 when I brush my teeth. That's a really thing that I let myself down. So most of the time when I say

00:30:00.420 to myself, okay, this is what's going to happen today and I'm not going to do it because otherwise I'm

00:30:05.160 going to feel like a total loser, you know? And you can train yourself like that. I do

00:30:09.100 these speeches for, uh, the, the high school kids who go to college, you know, and it was like in

00:30:14.080 May, I did another one. I did it for my daughter first last year and they asked me back if I could

00:30:17.920 do it, you know, give him a motivational speech to go. And I talk about the same thing that I just,

00:30:22.620 you break your muscles, you do this and you can break the habits. And I said, how many of you guys

00:30:26.340 wake up in the morning and the alarm goes? So you hit the alarm and 10 minutes later, you know,

00:30:31.800 because it's snoozing, you hit it again and you do it again. And after four times, you finally get out.

00:30:36.140 You won't believe man. It's like 70% of the fingers go up. Everybody. And I said, that's a

00:30:41.420 habit that is so easy to break. I says tomorrow morning, you hit it, boom, and you sit up in your

00:30:46.500 bed and you just get out. I say, you do that for one week only. And you broke that bad habit.

00:30:52.040 It already became part of you. It's just hitting it and telling yourself, I get up, you know? And

00:30:57.420 don't say, Oh no, one more minute. No, hit it, get up. And, and, and since you can do with that,

00:31:02.860 that means you can do it with everything else, you know? And, and, and that's for the, you know,

00:31:07.560 for the people with addictions, I used to drink a lot, you know, but it's like this moment that

00:31:12.360 you come and you say, listen, no, I'm going to say no. And the saying no in the beginning is hard,

00:31:17.540 but every time when you say no, you feel so powerful because you said no to something bad.

00:31:23.140 And then suddenly that saying no becomes normal. And once it becomes normal, Hey, now you,

00:31:29.220 now the problem is gone. You see? So it's just doing it, doing it, getting used to it. And once

00:31:35.020 you get used to it, then it's easy. Right. Just having those small wins

00:31:39.220 translates into everything else. So boss, you've had an incredible career and it seems like mixed 0.99

00:31:45.700 martial arts and fighting has been something that's been a good learning, good experiences for you.

00:31:50.680 It's obviously translated into life and it's been a good outlet for you. What would you recommend to

00:31:56.280 a man who maybe doesn't necessarily want to step foot into the ring, but needs to find some sort of

00:32:02.520 outlet for himself to experience some of the same things that you've experienced throughout your

00:32:06.840 life? You know, yeah, you, you have, everybody needs to set goals. Everybody's been put on the

00:32:11.240 planet with a goal in life with, with something that is your personal legend is what they call it in

00:32:16.080 the book, uh, the alchemist from Paulo Coelho. Actually, all my students, I tell, read that book.

00:32:20.680 It's, you know, Oh, I don't like to read. Trust me. You, what you take a flight to New York,

00:32:24.680 you read the book one time. It's, it's, it's not a big book. It's not like a pillars of the earth

00:32:29.560 or something like a 1200 pages. This is, but this book, and you will hear saying a lot of it. They

00:32:34.260 sold over 70, seven, zero million copies of this book. So it, it's, it's there for a reason.

00:32:40.220 Read it. Trust me. And, and then you, you can apply that. What, what happens in the book

00:32:44.400 to everything, you know, but you have to set goals. If you, if you don't decide for yourself

00:32:49.140 where you want to be, you know, I think that's a bad thing. You know, you, you really try to find

00:32:54.020 your passion, but whatever it can be, try to paint, try to sing, try to, whatever it is, 0.99

00:33:00.020 something that for you might seem really stupid, but there's always that little voice in your head 0.98

00:33:05.320 that you, man, you would like to try that. And a lot of people, they look at something like a 0.99

00:33:09.140 fighter, you know, they say, Oh, I would like to try it. I would, I wish I would have done that.

00:33:12.900 Why didn't you, you know, you don't, yeah, I'm probably not a good athlete. Probably. Did

00:33:16.960 you ever try? No, never tried it. I go, Oh man, you're, you're missing out. Try it. Because if

00:33:21.560 you try it and it doesn't work, at least you can scrap it off the list and you can say, okay,

00:33:25.380 that was not for me, but no, no, there's nothing worse than not knowing. You know, when I moved to

00:33:30.420 America, they told me, um, a lot of these jealous people we had in Holland, they said, Oh, he'll be

00:33:35.620 back. He'll be back in Holland. He's not going to get it. And I, and I told him, I say, Oh yeah,

00:33:40.760 I might be back. I said, but I don't want to be that 70 year old angry dude who sits in Holland 0.99

00:33:45.600 and who's going to not forgive himself. Who's always going to tell himself, I should have tried

00:33:49.720 to go to America. I think that would have been great for me. I said, I'm going to America. And

00:33:55.480 once I did, I'm going to figure it out. If I can make it here, I will go back to Holland. I can always 1.00

00:34:00.480 go back. So why not even try it? Just try it out and see if it's for you. And if it's not, at least you

00:34:06.200 tried it and you can move up to the next thing. That's great advice. I want to come back to

00:34:10.440 something that you mentioned. It seems like lately in the media that, that, uh, America

00:34:15.860 has been portrayed as evil and capitalism is bad and all of these things that, that is

00:34:21.400 an attack on the American way of life. But I know that you, you are an American citizen.

00:34:25.940 Is that correct?

00:34:27.000 Yes, I am.

00:34:28.040 And I'd be really curious for your take on what you think of America. I'm really curious

00:34:33.040 about that.

00:34:34.120 It is. It's the greatest country in the world. And it really is that I love Holland. Don't

00:34:38.840 get me wrong, but there is no country that I would rather live than America. My mom

00:34:43.580 and dad, same thing. They had all the, uh, the wrong visions about America because of

00:34:48.220 the movies and everything. And they came here, they were afraid to come here that when they

00:34:52.500 found out, when they said two days, they were here, they were, they, I mean, I had a wonderful,

00:34:56.720 they traveled through America for like six weeks and they saw every little thing. I got

00:35:01.300 phone calls every day. Oh, these people are so nice. It's such a nice thing. You know,

00:35:05.740 you, they think that it's committing murders here is the whole time. I think in, in, in

00:35:09.880 Holland, uh, when you compare it, there's way more, there's more murders than we have

00:35:13.020 here in America. So these people, they go like, Oh, and everybody's shooting themselves.

00:35:16.740 I thought, well, look at the statistics, look at statistics and see what is really

00:35:20.060 happening. We have bad people everywhere, you know, but you have them in Holland too.

00:35:23.400 And every country you have to just places where you shouldn't go. And if you go there,

00:35:27.080 well, that's a big problem. Now those places are a lot of times they're portrayed in films,

00:35:31.360 in movies. And then people automatically assume that everybody is like that. The worst thing is

00:35:35.920 that we had these guys in, uh, in all, they say, Oh, California is so fake. Everybody says,

00:35:40.480 how are you doing? And I go, you do exactly the same. How are you? That's what you say in Holland

00:35:44.960 to people. Oh, okay. So what's the next thing? Oh yeah. George Bush at the time. They go like,

00:35:49.680 Oh, he's an, uh, he's a cowboy. Oh, he's a cowboy. And I know Bush didn't do a super great job,

00:35:56.240 but I go like, no, he's not. He's born in Cincinnati. I believe he's, he's not a cowboy.

00:36:00.480 So what's the next thing? And nobody has a second follow-up. So they all say the same thing.

00:36:05.600 Californians, they all say, how are you doing? Bush was a cowboy. It's like, everybody's repeating

00:36:09.600 themselves. Have you ever gone to America? No. So how can you say it is like, like you say it is,

00:36:16.160 they just repeat. And once they come here, 95% goes, Oh man, this is absolutely not what I expected,

00:36:23.680 you know, and be an American, a superpower and, and helping other countries. What is wrong with

00:36:27.600 that? Sometimes I get angry if other countries don't do it. You know, if you have the ability,

00:36:31.920 and especially with me, since I was a kid that was bullied and that happens a lot in the world

00:36:35.360 to the countries, no people get bullied. And, uh, and if America can do something about it, well,

00:36:40.960 I would, yeah, do something about it. If it's really right or try to make it right. America is just

00:36:46.160 there. They just want to interfere with everything. And I want to put their hands in everything. And,

00:36:50.400 and it's, I truly believe, I truly don't see it like that. It's a, it's a shit that the rest of 1.00

00:36:55.600 the world does. You know, I, the last thing I'm going to say is like, if you watch a CNN in Holland, 1.00

00:37:00.080 and you watch a CNN here in America, it's a different kind of CNN. You know, there we see,

00:37:04.800 you know, a bombing attack, but oh, by accident, the school got taken with it or something.

00:37:10.640 There were no kids in, but they took the school out. Oh, school, school, school, school. And they

00:37:13.680 make this whole big thing about, they took the school out. You know, here in America,

00:37:17.360 they say, yeah, we took the school out, you know, but thankfully they wouldn't open up your

00:37:19.840 children there. But we got this main guy, we got this guy and this guy, you know, it's,

00:37:23.520 it's almost like they flip it a little different over there. And, uh, I don't know why that is. I,

00:37:28.560 I have no clue. Is it jealousy or what? I, I don't see it. And I am a foreigner coming in here.

00:37:34.320 I truly believe that this is the greatest God.

00:37:36.480 I appreciate that insight that that, yeah, that's definitely enlightening. And I've always

00:37:39.840 been curious about that. So boss, I've got a couple of quick questions for you as we wrap

00:37:43.440 things up. The first question I have for you is what does it mean in your mind to be a man?

00:37:48.960 To be a man, uh, yeah, no, I can go get religious on you. 0.99

00:37:57.120 I think a real man admits his weaknesses, listens to people, to criticism. Um, the problem with people

00:38:05.760 nowadays is that everybody sees themselves bigger than they really are, which is nuts. You know,

00:38:10.320 I always give the example, uh, you know, if you have a good golf player and he says, oh,

00:38:14.880 I probably played a good golf. Like one of your friends say, tell him, I film him while he's

00:38:18.880 playing golf and play that tape to him himself. I have it. When I do it, hit the back. And I think,

00:38:23.440 oh, I'm going really well until I videotape myself. I go, oh, that doesn't look like I really thought

00:38:28.720 it was going to look, you know? And once you realize that, that you are not as good as you think you are,

00:38:35.280 then, uh, you start, uh, slowing down with critiquing other people, you know, and taking

00:38:41.040 constructive criticisms. People email me sometimes just say, boss, this and this,

00:38:45.280 you know, I didn't like what you said there. You know, I don't want to give you any critique.

00:38:48.720 I don't want everything. I said, please keep giving this to me because I love to learn. I love,

00:38:53.200 I'd love to become a better person. I think a good guy, a real man admits when he's wrong.

00:38:57.760 He doesn't keep holding. Okay. Yeah, that was my fault. I'm sorry. You know, apologize from your

00:39:03.200 mistakes. You can only do that if you know that you're actually wrong. And, uh, and that's it.

00:39:08.080 And for the rest, help people. It does nothing to do with fighting. People always go like,

00:39:11.920 oh, he's a fighter and he likes, he can beat people up. Dude, that's the last thing I want

00:39:15.280 to do, beat people up. For us, for me to fight another professional fighter is like

00:39:20.080 a basketball, uh, doing a shooting hoops, uh, two guys to each other, whoever scores 10,

00:39:25.360 the first, uh, is going to be the winner. For us as a fighter, that feels exactly the same.

00:39:30.240 It's exactly a competition. There is no anger involved whatsoever. People think it is.

00:39:34.960 And sometimes it is when these fighters get out of hand, but it's a very rare occasion when that

00:39:39.120 is really real. Appreciate that insight. It's so valuable. So valuable. So boss, you've had

00:39:45.040 an excellent fighting career. I know you've done some movies and TV shows. Um, and now you're doing

00:39:49.680 a little bit, you mentioned it briefly with the O2 trainer. Tell me a little bit about that.

00:39:53.200 You know, yeah, like I said, I, I, I, I found out at the doctor's office that I was actually,

00:39:58.800 when I had an asthma attack, that I was training my lungs. I was making my lungs stronger because

00:40:04.240 they had to breathe through an infected area. And, uh, and that was the reason that when I would

00:40:09.440 resume my track and field, I will break my running times. So I, I started experimenting with, uh,

00:40:14.640 like coins in my mouth and the, uh, the, we would go on vacation to let's say France and they had

00:40:21.440 coins there that was before the Euro with holes in them. And I would try to put that in front of my

00:40:26.080 teeth. I tried to breathe through the little hole, but of course it's very dangerous because when you

00:40:29.760 open your mouth by accident, that thing shoots in your lung while you die, you know, it was something,

00:40:34.400 it was not a smart thing, but it was always in my head. I always go, man, that should be a very good

00:40:39.360 idea to control the air intake only. I know there's devices out there that control air in and out.

00:40:43.600 I don't like to do that. I like to completely empty your lungs so you can use your entire

00:40:47.040 inspiratory system to breathe in again. And, uh, at every party, you know, you always have guys who

00:40:52.960 have an invention and they talk about their invention. I would like to make this. And then my invention,

00:40:57.280 of course, always came up as a counterattack and everybody always said, man, you got to make that

00:41:01.040 thing. And, um, there was the ultimate fighter, which is a show from the, uh, from, uh, the ultimate

00:41:05.760 fighting championships. It's a TV show where fighters train two teams. They, they have to fight against

00:41:11.760 each other. And the one that wins is going to get a contract in the United, in the, uh, ultimate

00:41:16.480 fighting championship. Now there's two coaches and one of these coaches was training his students

00:41:22.400 with a snorkel device. And I, I wasn't watching the show at the time, but my telephone went nuts.

00:41:27.120 And it was, these were all these people that I told my idea to from the O2 trainer, which was

00:41:31.120 called the routinizer actually at the time. And, uh, they said, man, you got to make the routinizer,

00:41:35.280 man. Somebody's going to make it. I mean, now this guy's training with a snorkel device. Maybe

00:41:39.200 someone, somebody's going to come up with it. And that was it. That set the whole thing in process.

00:41:42.720 And I, uh, I just started doing a patent search. Nobody had the patent yet because everybody does air

00:41:47.680 in and out, which I knew that was not going to be, uh, the good, the correct way to do it. Just do the air in.

00:41:53.600 And, uh, so I have the patent start getting a prototype, start training with the prototype.

00:41:57.920 And that's when I realized my asthma got less and less and less. And suddenly I didn't need

00:42:01.680 an inhaler anymore. You know, my voice started getting louder. And then I realized, oh, so it's

00:42:05.840 also for singers, you know, it's for scuba divers, for people who do yoga. It's for any athlete. It's

00:42:10.800 for people who, who play a horn instrument. You know, I mean, it kept on going and I go, man,

00:42:16.000 just the way you feel. If I do just three times two, uh, three times 12 breathing exercises with

00:42:21.520 it in the morning before I do a workout, you completely feel different. You know,

00:42:25.760 people don't realize that oxygen is the most important in the body. You know, the survival

00:42:29.920 rule of three, and I always use this so you can understand it. It's like the average body

00:42:34.000 can go three weeks without food, three days without water, three minutes without oxygen.

00:42:39.120 Everybody focuses on the other two things. Nobody focuses, wait a minute, if that is very

00:42:44.400 important, maybe it would be really good for me to make it stronger and better. So it performs

00:42:49.120 better. It can, it can more move more volume of air in and out your lungs. And that was it. I,

00:42:55.680 the idea was there. I started getting crazy results. The, the reviews on the, on, on my website started

00:43:01.840 coming in and everybody loves it. I have a review from the sex, a sex player from the Eagles who was

00:43:07.280 with them for like 17 years, who says he has longer, stronger notes now. So, you know, it really

00:43:12.560 works. It's just a little thing. It looks really, you know, it's a mouthpiece pretty much that you

00:43:17.280 put in your mouth. It sticks a little bit out of your mouth and, uh, it controls the air intake.

00:43:21.680 It's a very simple device. Sounds like a, uh, like an incredible device. So if we want to learn more

00:43:27.600 about the O2 trainer or any of the work, uh, boss that you're doing, how, what's the best way to

00:43:33.040 connect with you and reach out to you? You know, I do a lot of Facebook. I answer all the

00:43:36.720 questions there. Save them at Twitter. Like Facebook is just facebook.com slash, uh,

00:43:40.720 boss rootin. Uh, that's boss with one S for the people, because some people, they pronounce my

00:43:45.200 name as bass and then you automatically assume it's two S's. So boss rootin and then boss rootin MMA

00:43:50.080 on Twitter. Uh, and, but I pretty much do on Twitter sometimes, you know, I post a picture

00:43:55.280 here and there, but most of the time I just answer questions from fans on Twitter. That's what I'm

00:44:00.160 doing there. But Facebook, I post more stuff, which automatically goes to Twitter as well. But, uh,

00:44:05.040 yeah, facebook.com and an O2 trainer, O2 trainer.com if you want to take a look at that device.

00:44:11.520 Awesome. Boss, I appreciate you being on the show today. Thank you so much for the insights and

00:44:15.280 taking your time to spend with us. I appreciate it. I thank you very much for having me. I had a

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