OoM 018： A UFC Heavyweight Champion's Life Lessons from the Cage with Bas Rutten
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Former UFC Heavyweight Champion, Bas Rutten joins Ryan on the show to talk about his career, his upbringing, and the lessons he learned from stepping into the octagon against one of the greatest fighters in the history of mixed martial arts.
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Although many of us may never enter a mixed martial arts contest, there are so many life
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lessons that can be learned from stepping into a ring where another man literally wants to destroy
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you. How do you prepare? How do you succeed? How do you get up when you get knocked down?
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And what are the attributes of the world's most successful fighters and men?
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart
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your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is
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who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done,
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you can call yourself a man. Welcome back, guys. My name is Ryan
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Nickler. You are in for such a good show today. So many insights into how to succeed in life,
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which if you're listening to this, I'm sure that that's something that you want to do.
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And you'll also want to be sure to stick around at the end of this show because I asked boss what
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he thinks about America. And as an immigrant, he has some really, really insightful stuff to share.
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I do want to thank you for all of your support by leaving us a rating review. We did hit our goal
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us your review at orderofman.com slash iTunes. Now, remember, as always, we've got the show notes
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up for this show and they can be found at orderofman.com slash 018. Now, let me introduce you
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to our guest, former UFC heavyweight champion, Bas Rutten. Now, in addition to being a UFC heavyweight
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champion, he is a UFC Hall of Famer, a three-time King of Pancras world champion, and finished his
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career on a 22-fight unbeaten streak. He has worked as a commentator in several MMA organizations.
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He's appeared in numerous television shows, movies, and also video games. He now coaches MMA and has
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authored several instructional materials. But lately, he has added inventor to the list of
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accomplishments as the creator of the O2 Trainer, which is a system designed to strengthen the lungs
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of athletes, singers, musicians, scuba divers, you name it, through what he calls lung resistance.
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Bas, I'm so excited to have you on the show. Thanks for joining us today.
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So, we're going to have a good time. I'm going to talk about mental fortitude and strength and
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fitness and health, all the things that you know way more about than I do. So, I think we're going
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Well, why don't you tell me a little bit about your background? How did you get into
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mixed martial arts? And is that something you've always done? Is that something that you grew to
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Oh, it goes all the way back till I was a kid. I was a kid with a very sick kid, had severe asthma,
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and I had severe eczema, or everywhere in my face, my hands. So, I was the kid that always
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got picked on and bullied. And I think that from there, I got my desire to fight. I sneaked
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into a movie theater one time when we were on vacation with my family and friends. Bruce
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Lee's Enter the Dragon, the movie. And I realized that if I would be like Bruce Lee, I would have
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no more problems in my life. And that's pretty much how it started.
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Really? So, did you get in any like schoolyard fights and have to defend yourself? Is that
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kind of where it started? Or how did, like, do you remember the first fight you ever got
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Yeah, you know, before I never, I just got bullied. But words are way worse, I always say
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to people than getting a beating. I was always a good athlete. I was skinny because of my asthma,
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but I never lost a fight if they picked a fight with me, which a lot of kids didn't do because
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I had that axiom. They thought it was contagious. But then finally, I trained for, let's say,
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two and a half, three months, Taekwondo. My parents finally allowed me to do that. And then
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my confidence started rising because I was training with adults. Somebody took me under
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his wing and I started dropping adults. And I was 14. So then when I got in, the biggest
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building in town came again. He shouted something. Everybody rides a bike in Holland. And he's
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with six, seven guys. And they're shouting something again, like, hey, leper or whatever.
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It was always something along those lines. And this time I shouted something back. And
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they all, I remember them laughing and turning around. And they started following me. But
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I right away stopped my bike, put it on the stand. And I was, I was just, I said, okay,
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I'm not going to run anymore. Now I'm going to just take care of this problem. And I knocked
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one shot, the biggest building in town. And that was it. It was 90, 95% of the bullying
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stopped. You know, it was just one punch and it changed everything. It was
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bad also because he broke his nose, had to go to the hospital. So the police showed
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up at my mom and dad's doorstep. So they took me off Taekwondo right away. So then
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I had to wait until I was 21 when I moved out the house. And then I kickstarted everything
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again. I started Taekwondo, Thai boxing. That's pretty much how it all started.
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So what's your take on bullying? Because I know in America, I'm sure all over the world,
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there's a big issue right now with bullying. And I'd love to know your take and your opinion
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on it since coming from the background you did, where you felt like you were bullied
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and had some of those experiences firsthand. What are your thoughts with bullying now?
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Still, it's even worse now with the social media, people creating false identities and
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kids and even adults listening to it. You know, it's, it's very, how do I say, human like to
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get, let's say, if you get 150 great reactions, but there's one bad reaction, they always pull
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towards the bad reaction, you know? And these are just people with a, how do I say, with a lower IQ?
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I mean, who in the right state of mind wants to, you know, create a fake account and think that is
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actually a cool thing and then just start begging on somebody else because he's probably jealous or
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something. So they're not the smartest people. Unfortunately, they have to deal with it. But
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yeah, some, some kids cannot deal with it. And they even commit suicide. It's, it's,
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it's horrible. You know, I hope that, um, how do I say this? Like, well, I met bullies now,
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like a couple of years ago who bullied me. They didn't even remember what the things they said
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to me. And to me, for me, it was vivid. I was almost going to hit them, you know? And, uh,
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and they were very lucky that they were very nice to me. Otherwise it would have stabbed them in the
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face. Yeah. It was such a, just such an anger I carried with me and, but they didn't even know
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anymore. So that's the sad part. It's for them. It's such, they just throw it out as out as
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nothing. And, uh, but it affects somebody really hard. So, uh, yeah, I wish it would stop.
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Yeah, no, I get that. And it sounds like just you taking action and finding a way to just
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defend yourself was the best out and the best way for you to deal with that. So do you still
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suffer from asthma and that's something you, you always work, uh, against or has that pretty much,
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you know, outgrown that? I don't know exactly how that works.
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Yeah. Well, what happened was, believe it or not, I have an invention, the O2 trainer it's called.
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And I made that invention when I was 13 or 14 years old, because I realized that after I did
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also track and field. And if I did track and field, if I had an asthma attack, let's say this,
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if I had an asthma attack for about a week in bed, I couldn't do anything in bed after the asthma
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attack, when I would resume my track and field, I will break my running times. And it was all the
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time the same. And it drove me nuts. I had no clue why that was until I paid a visit at the doctor's
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office. I realized that the, you know, it's the bronchioles, it's the, the area, the,
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the, the air pipes to the lungs. It's not in a long sack, so to say, it's the infection.
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This is what you think as a kid, but it's in the pipe to the lungs. So I realized, by the way,
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wait a minute. So my lungs had to work really hard to pull air in through an affected area.
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So why don't I come up with something that controls the air intake? And I start working
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with that. Now that thing eventually got made and, uh, I started training with the prototype.
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I had my entire life. I had asthma. And for the last almost two and a half years now,
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it's completely gone since I started using that thing. So it works really, really well. It
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strengthens, just strengthens your lungs. It cured the asthma for my friends, you know,
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from people on the website. Medically, I can't claim it yet because I want to do medical testing
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for that. And that's cost a lot of money, but that actually cured me for my, my asthma. I,
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I even used an inhaler when I was fighting for my world title fights. I always carried an inhaler
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with me and I don't have it anymore. Wow. That's impressive. So you said you stopped because
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you got in this fight. Um, so you stopped, you stopped your, your formal training and it sounds
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like you stopped for about five or six years. So that's a big gap, especially when you consider
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those, you know, those years, 18 to 20, 21, those are probably years where a lot of guys
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are training hard and they're in peak physical, uh, you know, uh, condition. What were you doing
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during that time? You know, I was, uh, I was the weird kid always. I was, uh, I was spending
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my time in the forest. I, um, I could literally go pretty much throughout the whole forest. I had
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to maybe come down four times from treetop to treetop. I was like, uh, uh, Tarzan kind
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of kid, you know, and he came always in heavy bullies if they would, you know, come after
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me. So I was always doing that. So I think that's where my athleticism comes from. Also
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my family, my, my, my father's side are all athletes. My brother was a really good athlete.
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He is a really good athlete. Well, he doesn't do it anymore. And of course, what I did also,
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I went to the, uh, library and, and looked at books from karate and taekwondo and everything
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I could get my hands done. And I just memorized them all really good and looking at pictures
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and then do what's on the picture. Right. Not reinventing the wheel, but just learning
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what you can from other people and resources. It sounds like that's it. You steal from everybody.
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I always say. So when's the first time now you, you were in the UFC. So when is the first
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time that you stepped, you know, foot in, in that ring, I'm sure you've had fights before
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that. And, and what was that like? What was that experience like for you?
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You know, I, I, I did Thai boxing before in Holland and I was a total animal, like not
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control, no control. I knocked a lot of guys out because I was just very strong and explosive,
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but you know, it shouldn't go more than two or three rounds because I would be really,
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really tired because I used weight. And, uh, I, when I got invited to go to Japan, they
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called it free fighting at a time that was before the UFC even started. I started fighting
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in Japan and it was a completely different scene. Like the people in Japan, nobody screams.
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It's, uh, unlike anywhere else on the planet, they actually know that the professional is
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the person in the ring because in Japan it's in the ring. And so everybody's quiet. You can
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literally, uh, if your, your corner would sit in the 20th or in the 30th row. If he speaks
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the volume that I use right now, I can literally hear him. It's that quiet. Nobody makes. Oh wow.
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Yeah. So, but when you knock somebody down, they go nuts for about 10 seconds and then it's quiet
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again. And that did something to me. I think that I became a complete different fighter. I became a
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very calm, relaxed, calculated fighter. It was weird though, because the first, I was used to fighting
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five rounds of three minutes in Thai boxing. And, uh, and I expected that there as well. And I
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expected weight classes and my opponent, it started with my opponent being 45 pounds heavier
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than I was. And it was a tall guy, the tallest Japanese guy I've ever seen. And then, uh, well,
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not the tallest, but a tall guy. And, um, I said, so is this, what, what's going on with the weight
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class? They said, Oh, we have no weight class. Everybody fights everybody. So that's cool. I
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said, so what about the rounds? How many rounds do we have? They said one round. I said, great.
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How many minutes? 30. I go, great, great, great, great. But you know, it's inside. I wasn't that happy.
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I go with 30 minute fight, you know? So that was a little bit of a shocker in the beginning,
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but then once I stepped in, it was all so comfortable. It was really weird. I was in
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a different dimension. It almost looked like, and I knocked him out 43 seconds. That was my first,
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uh, knockout. Good for you. Yeah. You didn't want to go that 30 minutes. It doesn't sound like.
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No, I did not. Trust me. So what are some of the hardest lessons you've learned in your time in the
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ring? Are there some experiences that stand out that was really a learning opportunity for you or,
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or some difficulties or trials you've overcome? Well, you know, the, the, it sounds so cheesy
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when I say never give up, you know, you never, you can, you can switch a fight. You can flip a
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fight in seconds. My second fight, when I went to Japan, I was feeling really bad. They allowed me
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to, they woke me up at like eight in the morning. I had to travel till like two 30 in the afternoon.
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Then they checked me into a hotel, 30 minutes to change. And then I had to go to the arena
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to fight. Now I was already sick. I came from Holland at that time. I lived in Holland.
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So the jet lag to Japan is the worst jet lag. You know, that means that you're awake all night
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because nighttime is daytime. And then you fall asleep around six, hopefully seven in the morning.
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So I slept like an hour, maybe an hour and a half. And I was throwing up and I cut into the fight.
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And this guy gets me in an arm bar, which is like a submission hold. And I just wanted that.
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I wanted to get out, but his, the audience started chanting his name. And for some reason that
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made me angry. I go, you know what? No, I'm not going to, I got out of the arm bar.
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And then 30 seconds later, I knock him out to the knee to the body. Uh, and really always told
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myself after that fight, because I was really close. I was really close to just tapping and to giving up.
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And then I realized, wow, still, when you're really tired, when you feel really sick, you can still
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flip it. You know, let's just for, from now on, always keep going and push that crazy thought
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of, of tapping, of quitting, push it out of your head. And, and that's what I did for the rest of
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my career. Right. Yeah. And it sounds like you've had an amazing career. Um, UFC heavyweight champion,
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if that's right, if I, if I understand that correctly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, you know,
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I, for my last 22 fights, I didn't lose anymore. Uh, I, I owe that to just, you know, what I learned
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also in the beginning, I was a striker. So they submitted me and the only way I lost would be
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by a submission, the submission for the people who don't understand. It's like, you have all the
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holes you have in judo or in jujitsu, like a, a joke, an arm bar, you know, a neck crank. That is
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all things that you can submit somebody with. And I realized that after my last loss, I, I, I just got
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really fed up with it. And I just started training solely the ground game for two, three times,
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a day, nonstop, didn't do anything else. I got obsessed by it. I woke up my wife in the middle
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of the night. I always use that example because I would dream a submission. I will put her in the
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submission. I would have heard that I would write it down, that I would go back to the gym in the
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morning and I try it out on everybody. You know, I just got crazy about submission, but it was it,
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you know, once I did that, I never lost a fight anymore. So just work on your weaknesses. That's
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pretty much what that part says. Now, if I understand correctly, I did a little bit of research
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and if I understand this correctly, you've, you've submitted opponents, but you've never
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taken an opponent, an opponent down. Is that correct? Always, always on your feet trying
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to strike rather than takedowns? Yeah. Yeah, that was it. I was never a great wrestler and
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I was, because in wrestling schools in Holland, I mean, I think if you have three of them in,
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in, in the entire Holland, I think that's, that's a lot, you know, it's, so it's not as big
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as a sport as this in America. So I figured, you know, I'm a good striker, you know,
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I'm better than them. I know that for sure. But, uh, the ground, you know, I better get
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much better at it because if they take me down, then I can go for submissions. And that's what
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I pretty much did. Yeah. I read those stats when the UFC did their, uh, uh, what is it?
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Their, their press release from the induction of the hall of fame. And I read the same, right?
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Oh man, that's, that's, yeah, that is funny to read. I never attempted a single takedown yet. I
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have, I have more wins, 15 wins by submission and 10 by knockout. So yeah.
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That's interesting. Yeah. So what is, uh, what is your training? I mean, I'm sure you're,
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you're obviously still in physical shape. I imagine that's a, a, uh, a lesson or a habit
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that stays with you for life. And that's a lifestyle rather than this is a career decision.
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What is your training schedule look like now compared to what it was, you know, over the
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last 10 to 15 years? You know, I've been, I've been a little unfortunate with a few things,
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but, but, uh, it's only a little bit. Um, you know, in, in fighting, I could do anything.
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I could, I could jump, make flip flaps and backflips and the whole nine yards. I never
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got seriously injured, so to say. And then I decided to do some TV and movie stuff. And
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then the TV show, I got this crazy idea that it would be good for that particular shot,
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you know, to me to drop on top of my head down. And it's a long explanation. It's something
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I should have never done and crushed my neck and it crushed my, my nerves in my neck. So
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for four years, I lost pretty much control of my right arm. I couldn't even lift the milk
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out of the freighter anymore. I had three major neck surgeries. The last one being the biggest,
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like a seven hour surgery front and back plates in my neck. Um, and, and this actually, this
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is the first time when I came out of like, I can snap my fingers as you can hear. I couldn't
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do that for four years. I couldn't pull up. I couldn't do anything. And now I actually,
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my whole, my arm was atrophied. Now it starts slowly, but surely it starts coming back again.
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So I'm really looking out on that. I like to work out in a pool or in the ocean with
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resistance tools. I do a lot of power training in there. And then recently now I started power
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training at my gym. So do you recommend, you know, you talk about working on the pool of
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the ocean with resistance training. Obviously that's low impact training. Is that what you
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recommend for a lot of people? Is there do more of this low impact stuff? Yeah, I really
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do. I, it makes me really feel good. I do 30 repetitions of each and you can decide if
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you go slow, you have less resistance. If you go fast, you have more resistance. So
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you can literally really take any piece of any ounce of energy and you, you can't take
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it out. You just keep going until you can't go anymore. And I think once you start doing
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that, I always did it like that. I always increased. I always loved everything. I would
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always say, okay, this is the way that I'm doing today. Next week, that's going to have
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to be more. I'm going to do this amount of repetitions. And then I would always do the
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repetitions. Once they get more and more and more, I increase the weight and constantly
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do that. So you only get stronger. And of course people say, yeah, but eventually you're going
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to hit a plafond, you know, a ceiling. And I said, and never happened with me. You know,
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it's so weird. You can do such an amazing things with your body. If you just push it the whole
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time, make sure though, this is a very important thing because I didn't understand it in the
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beginning that you take rest. You know, your muscles need rest in order to grow and grow
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stronger again. I didn't know that all the way in the beginning of my career. I thought
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the harder I train, the more I train, the better it is. But that, uh, it caused me to overtrain
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and it took like three or four months for me to get back from that.
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Right. Yeah. Yeah. And you end up exposing yourself to injuries at that point. It sounds
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Yeah. What you're doing is what people don't realize you can train everything in your body,
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right? So if a bone breaks, I always say, and it heals at that spot and you heal it the
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correct way. So you give it time to heal. It'll never break there again. So it makes
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you stronger. It's the same. You can do what you will power. You can just say no, just
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say no, just eventually get used to it. And it's easier to say no. And it's the same
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thing with your muscles. If you train your muscles, what you're doing is you're breaking
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down your muscles, but your body is such an amazing tool. It regenerates your muscles.
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The only, it makes them stronger. So if you really break them down, your body gets back
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stronger. That's why the gross muscles grow. If you guys, if you don't give them protein and
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if you don't give them food and you don't give them rest, they cannot recoup. So if
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you keep breaking them down, you simply can't grow. And I didn't realize that. And I found
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out the hard way, you know, 4% body fat. I mean, and I just passed out one day and that
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was it. And then I realized, oh, I couldn't get out of bed. I was so, so tired. So, and
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then, and then when the doctor explained this to me, like I just explained it and I start
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taking like a day rest here and a day rest there, I got way stronger suddenly. That's
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when I found out, okay, you know, your body really needs the rest. Give it the rest, give
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it the food it needs and you become stronger and stronger.
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Interesting. Now, my question is, and this I've experienced in my own life, even just
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last week, my wife and I literally hiked in Arizona 40 miles, right around 40 miles in
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a matter of three days. And what I've noticed is that the body can actually go a lot further
00:19:51.500
than sometimes your mind will allow you to do. How have you overcome the resistance of
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your mind telling you it hurts or you should stop? And how do you determine whether you
00:20:02.300
really should or whether you need to push through that and keep going?
00:20:05.360
You know, it's, it's all building up slowly but surely. You, indeed, what you said, you can
00:20:11.460
go further. There's moments that you really want to stop. I just always think about the
00:20:15.200
person that I'm going to face and that he's going to do three rounds extra now. That's
00:20:20.280
what I always think. And then I just keep going. You also can simply try to flip that
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pain feeling and the really tiredness feeling. Try to start loving it. You know, really start
00:20:32.640
hunting for that tired feeling. Make yourself think, I want to get to that feeling because
00:20:36.900
I love that feeling. I love that feeling. You can trick your mind and suddenly you start
00:20:40.500
liking it. Now, you got to watch out with that because that was a problem with me, of course,
00:20:44.380
as well because then you can overtrain again. But then I realized this really easy system
00:20:48.600
what I do. For instance, the easiest way to explain it is like I do four days a week or
00:20:53.360
three days a week. I did these 15 rounds on the back and it started, that's after a workout.
00:20:58.780
I do 15 one-minute rounds on the back. This is eight weeks out before a fight. I go as hard
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as I can. I write like eight combinations down and then I do those eight combinations and then
00:21:10.860
I repeat those eight combinations. Well, one less than, of course, to make 15 rounds.
00:21:15.640
Every combination I do as hard as I can. Every combination is as hard power as I can. So you
00:21:20.400
can do this for a minute. But a minute is a really long time if you hit like that. You get
00:21:25.240
really, really tired. Now, the next week I go one minute and five seconds. So I take five seconds
00:21:30.980
extra work time and I take five seconds away from my rest time. So it's going to be 55 seconds rest and
00:21:36.680
one minute and five seconds working. Then the next week I do the same thing. I do one minute,
00:21:41.260
10 seconds and 50 seconds rest. I go one minute, 15 seconds to 45 seconds rest. Every time I increase
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the payloads ever by five seconds and I take away rest five seconds. And until I am at 10 rounds or 15
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rounds at one and a half minute, full blast with only 30 seconds rest. You know, and now you train
00:22:00.420
your body slowly but gradually to throw out more and more and more power and you don't overtrain this
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way. You know, if I would go 15 rounds to one and a half minute, I don't know if I even actually
00:22:11.220
can do it. But if I would do that for like three weeks in a row, I burn out. You know, I'm going to
00:22:16.060
peak way too soon. So that was the thing I always used to do. And that becomes your new normal then,
00:22:21.100
it sounds like, is that added level of frequency and duration. That's really it. You know, and you
00:22:28.820
think five seconds is not a lot. Five seconds is three combinations again. You know, it goes fast.
00:22:33.280
And once you do it, these extra five seconds, you're going to realize, well, five seconds is a
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long time. It's so weird that people think, if I put people, I have this crazy drill that I do. It's
00:22:43.020
just twisting your upper body. You cross your hands in front of you, put your right hand on your left
00:22:46.540
shoulder and vice versa. And you put your feet next to each other like a horse stance. You grab the floor
00:22:51.340
with your feet, so to say, so you lock in and you only rotate your upper body. You explode it left to
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right. As fast as you can. Do that for one minute. Just one simple minute and see how that feels.
00:23:02.780
People are going to go, whoa, what's going on? It's a long minute. After 30 seconds,
00:23:07.600
you're looking at the clock, you go, there's no way that this is 30 seconds. And that's, you know,
00:23:11.860
just learn to deal with that. Just push it. And once it becomes normal again, here we go again,
00:23:16.100
you can train that habit. You can train everything. You can train to make yourself like the feeling.
00:23:22.360
And once you do that, you know, then everything becomes much easier. If you start fighting it,
00:23:27.160
I don't want to get tired. I don't want to get tired. Well, you know, what do I say? If you can't beat
00:23:31.780
them, join them. And that's literally what I'm doing. You know, I can't beat that tired feeling.
00:23:36.720
I might as well be happy with it. And just convince yourself.
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And the perception. What's interesting is you said, and I go back to something you said earlier,
00:23:45.600
is that you can't do all of that, what you're talking about now, without taking meticulous notes
00:23:51.520
and keeping record and track of everything you're doing. And that's not just in fighting,
00:23:55.340
which I don't have any experience, but that's also just in, in business and in life that you've
00:24:00.100
got to find a way to find out what your current benchmark is and then work on those small goals
00:24:06.000
and gradually increase, just like in your training, the frequency and duration and intensity and do
00:24:12.260
that in business and do that with your family and do that with all of those things.
00:24:15.860
That's it. It's exactly everything. You know, what I say is finding you can apply to any job.
00:24:20.980
You know, it's all about just getting used to it. If you don't like it, well, you're going to have
00:24:25.780
to do it because you better make sure that you are going to be familiar with it. You know,
00:24:29.600
if your nerves are in front of people, well, I don't care. The things I would do is sit in a bus
00:24:35.420
and I started singing and everybody's looking. I just sing, you know, and those were kind of
00:24:40.000
things that you just, if you do that three or four, five times, people don't even notice anymore.
00:24:44.400
You realize, wow, you know, you get used to these things so fast. It's just doing it.
00:24:48.540
Let's talk about nutrition a little bit because we've talked a little bit about training now.
00:24:52.800
What do your meals consist of when you're training versus maybe off-season or off-time
00:24:59.140
and how does that translate to, you know, an average guy like myself and what we should
00:25:04.160
be putting in the fuel that we should be putting into our bodies?
00:25:07.360
Here's another thing that I learned the hard way. Well, not the hard way because I have just
00:25:11.100
really an amazing body. You know, it's really that my dad's genetics, like if you look at my brother
00:25:15.340
who's been a lawyer now for the last 25 years, he doesn't train at all and he looks great.
00:25:21.780
You know, so we're just blessed. You know, I can eat whatever I want. But what I did realize
00:25:26.200
is when I made a comeback in my fighting at 42 and that was after seven years of not fighting,
00:25:32.980
not competing. And that was the first time I got a nutritionist who would tell me what to eat
00:25:39.300
and what not to eat. And that fight, I think I looked even better physically than I did when I
00:25:45.700
was speaking in my career. You know, and that's when I realized, wow, food is a big thing. So
00:25:50.580
nowadays, you know, you get older, you start thinking about more healthy things. Yeah, the food,
00:25:56.080
healthy food is very important. I like to take like very light meals in the morning. Quinoa is something
00:26:02.280
that I take. If I take any kind of grain and more people have that my age or even when they,
00:26:07.560
after 40 years old, if you take, if you eat bread and you get all bloated and your stomach starts
00:26:12.700
hurting, you're allergic to grains. And believe it or not, there's a lot of people have that. And
00:26:16.940
it's not really the grain grain, but sometimes it's also they put too much yeast or, yeah, I think
00:26:22.860
it's called yeast here in bread because they want to make sure it rises, you know, and that it's always
00:26:29.440
good. So they always add a little more than is really necessary. And once you get started
00:26:33.800
to build something up for that, you know, it starts working against you. And when I found that
00:26:39.320
out, somebody would, because one person told me to just eat vegetables for a whole week, cook
00:26:44.360
vegetables, take a Chick-fil-A, throw it in there, you know, eat and just do that. And I did that for
00:26:50.040
one week and the feeling was gone. And I had that feeling for years, like a horrible feeling in my
00:26:54.680
stomach the whole day. So then I realized, wow, food is everything. And now I start
00:26:58.800
juicing. It's something I do. The quinoa, when I eat that, you have to feel nothing. It gets
00:27:03.820
absorbed, it absorbs in the body. You don't even feel getting tired. It's a really great thing. I
00:27:10.360
eat potato bread because potato bread doesn't have as much grains in it as normal bread. And this,
00:27:17.800
that's the only bread I can eat that I don't have that crazy feeling in my stomach. And for the rest,
00:27:22.680
I, you know, steak, everything is now too much, not too much, two or two times a week. For the rest,
00:27:27.280
it's chicken or fish. You know, if I order a pizza, I always tell him, I say to put half the
00:27:31.640
amount of cheese on it, you know, and it's not because I don't like cheese or what it doesn't
00:27:36.840
really matter, but too much cheese, too much dairy. I would like to stay away from that,
00:27:40.840
you know, hold the saturated fats a little low and for the rest, add a little more veggies.
00:27:45.740
I know that's the way with me when I eat bread. Like you said, I just feel bloated. I feel really
00:27:49.340
uncomfortable. And I'm the same with dairy. Like I could, I go have a Dairy Queen Blizzard,
00:27:53.160
which I love, but like, I can feel that five minutes after I eat that. And I just try to
00:27:58.540
avoid that stuff. And I feel so much better when I do. Yeah, you know, try it because I,
00:28:03.180
what I did, I went over to rice, not realizing brown rice is a grain, you know, and I still had
00:28:11.720
that horrible feeling and it would really mentally got to me. And once I found that out, once I started
00:28:16.880
doing the quinoa and the vegetables and that disappeared, wow, that was a big eye opener. You know,
00:28:22.500
once you don't have that feeling anymore, you just feel great. Right. Yeah. Almost just trying
00:28:26.880
to figure out, you know, obviously eating healthy and there's not a whole lot of new information out
00:28:30.540
there, but it's just a matter of implementing it into your life and making it work into your life
00:28:34.580
and your system and the way you run your day. Right. That's it. That's the whole thing. Again,
00:28:38.280
it's a habit, you know, just create that habit. If that habit means that if you have to go more to the
00:28:43.460
store, you know, then, well, you're going to have to get a half hour up earlier. You know,
00:28:48.060
that's how you do it. I don't have the time. Well, wake up 30 minutes earlier. Yeah. But then I don't have
00:28:51.940
my sleep, go to bed 30 minutes earlier. It's very simple. You know, you just have to do it
00:28:56.540
and then you can do it. How do you, how do you do that personally when, you know, something's hard,
00:29:01.440
but you know, it needs to be done or, or even that you want to do it, but the world seems to be
00:29:05.380
fighting against you. How do you find yourself creating new habits and doing the things that
00:29:10.920
you know you should be doing? It's like, you know, once I found out you can train everything in
00:29:16.140
your body, it's, um, it's very easy to do it. It's like, for instance, drinking, you know,
00:29:21.300
people all the time, like, yes, they had a few more drinks than I should have had. And, and,
00:29:25.520
you know, and, and not a lot, it's not like I'm drunk. It's not that, but it's just that I feel
00:29:30.060
tipsy and I go, ah, I shouldn't have taken those drinks. So this morning I wake up and I already told
00:29:33.980
myself now today, I'm not going to drink anything, not even one glass with the whatever, you know?
00:29:39.280
And if I really put that in my mind, um, that I think that comes from my fighting. I would say
00:29:44.680
in fighting, I would say, okay, do every, in the beginning of my career, I did 12 rounds two times
00:29:49.220
a day on a bag. And if I could not do 12 rounds, I could not look at myself in the mirror at night
00:29:55.020
when I brush my teeth. That's a really thing that I let myself down. So most of the time when I say
00:30:00.420
to myself, okay, this is what's going to happen today and I'm not going to do it because otherwise I'm
00:30:05.160
going to feel like a total loser, you know? And you can train yourself like that. I do
00:30:09.100
these speeches for, uh, the, the high school kids who go to college, you know, and it was like in
00:30:14.080
May, I did another one. I did it for my daughter first last year and they asked me back if I could
00:30:17.920
do it, you know, give him a motivational speech to go. And I talk about the same thing that I just,
00:30:22.620
you break your muscles, you do this and you can break the habits. And I said, how many of you guys
00:30:26.340
wake up in the morning and the alarm goes? So you hit the alarm and 10 minutes later, you know,
00:30:31.800
because it's snoozing, you hit it again and you do it again. And after four times, you finally get out.
00:30:36.140
You won't believe man. It's like 70% of the fingers go up. Everybody. And I said, that's a
00:30:41.420
habit that is so easy to break. I says tomorrow morning, you hit it, boom, and you sit up in your
00:30:46.500
bed and you just get out. I say, you do that for one week only. And you broke that bad habit.
00:30:52.040
It already became part of you. It's just hitting it and telling yourself, I get up, you know? And
00:30:57.420
don't say, Oh no, one more minute. No, hit it, get up. And, and, and since you can do with that,
00:31:02.860
that means you can do it with everything else, you know? And, and, and that's for the, you know,
00:31:07.560
for the people with addictions, I used to drink a lot, you know, but it's like this moment that
00:31:12.360
you come and you say, listen, no, I'm going to say no. And the saying no in the beginning is hard,
00:31:17.540
but every time when you say no, you feel so powerful because you said no to something bad.
00:31:23.140
And then suddenly that saying no becomes normal. And once it becomes normal, Hey, now you,
00:31:29.220
now the problem is gone. You see? So it's just doing it, doing it, getting used to it. And once
00:31:35.020
you get used to it, then it's easy. Right. Just having those small wins
00:31:39.220
translates into everything else. So boss, you've had an incredible career and it seems like mixed
00:31:45.700
martial arts and fighting has been something that's been a good learning, good experiences for you.
00:31:50.680
It's obviously translated into life and it's been a good outlet for you. What would you recommend to
00:31:56.280
a man who maybe doesn't necessarily want to step foot into the ring, but needs to find some sort of
00:32:02.520
outlet for himself to experience some of the same things that you've experienced throughout your
00:32:06.840
life? You know, yeah, you, you have, everybody needs to set goals. Everybody's been put on the
00:32:11.240
planet with a goal in life with, with something that is your personal legend is what they call it in
00:32:16.080
the book, uh, the alchemist from Paulo Coelho. Actually, all my students, I tell, read that book.
00:32:20.680
It's, you know, Oh, I don't like to read. Trust me. You, what you take a flight to New York,
00:32:24.680
you read the book one time. It's, it's, it's not a big book. It's not like a pillars of the earth
00:32:29.560
or something like a 1200 pages. This is, but this book, and you will hear saying a lot of it. They
00:32:34.260
sold over 70, seven, zero million copies of this book. So it, it's, it's there for a reason.
00:32:40.220
Read it. Trust me. And, and then you, you can apply that. What, what happens in the book
00:32:44.400
to everything, you know, but you have to set goals. If you, if you don't decide for yourself
00:32:49.140
where you want to be, you know, I think that's a bad thing. You know, you, you really try to find
00:32:54.020
your passion, but whatever it can be, try to paint, try to sing, try to, whatever it is,
00:33:00.020
something that for you might seem really stupid, but there's always that little voice in your head
00:33:05.320
that you, man, you would like to try that. And a lot of people, they look at something like a
00:33:09.140
fighter, you know, they say, Oh, I would like to try it. I would, I wish I would have done that.
00:33:12.900
Why didn't you, you know, you don't, yeah, I'm probably not a good athlete. Probably. Did
00:33:16.960
you ever try? No, never tried it. I go, Oh man, you're, you're missing out. Try it. Because if
00:33:21.560
you try it and it doesn't work, at least you can scrap it off the list and you can say, okay,
00:33:25.380
that was not for me, but no, no, there's nothing worse than not knowing. You know, when I moved to
00:33:30.420
America, they told me, um, a lot of these jealous people we had in Holland, they said, Oh, he'll be
00:33:35.620
back. He'll be back in Holland. He's not going to get it. And I, and I told him, I say, Oh yeah,
00:33:40.760
I might be back. I said, but I don't want to be that 70 year old angry dude who sits in Holland
00:33:45.600
and who's going to not forgive himself. Who's always going to tell himself, I should have tried
00:33:49.720
to go to America. I think that would have been great for me. I said, I'm going to America. And
00:33:55.480
once I did, I'm going to figure it out. If I can make it here, I will go back to Holland. I can always
00:34:00.480
go back. So why not even try it? Just try it out and see if it's for you. And if it's not, at least you
00:34:06.200
tried it and you can move up to the next thing. That's great advice. I want to come back to
00:34:10.440
something that you mentioned. It seems like lately in the media that, that, uh, America
00:34:15.860
has been portrayed as evil and capitalism is bad and all of these things that, that is
00:34:21.400
an attack on the American way of life. But I know that you, you are an American citizen.
00:34:28.040
And I'd be really curious for your take on what you think of America. I'm really curious
00:34:34.120
It is. It's the greatest country in the world. And it really is that I love Holland. Don't
00:34:38.840
get me wrong, but there is no country that I would rather live than America. My mom
00:34:43.580
and dad, same thing. They had all the, uh, the wrong visions about America because of
00:34:48.220
the movies and everything. And they came here, they were afraid to come here that when they
00:34:52.500
found out, when they said two days, they were here, they were, they, I mean, I had a wonderful,
00:34:56.720
they traveled through America for like six weeks and they saw every little thing. I got
00:35:01.300
phone calls every day. Oh, these people are so nice. It's such a nice thing. You know,
00:35:05.740
you, they think that it's committing murders here is the whole time. I think in, in, in
00:35:09.880
Holland, uh, when you compare it, there's way more, there's more murders than we have
00:35:13.020
here in America. So these people, they go like, Oh, and everybody's shooting themselves.
00:35:16.740
I thought, well, look at the statistics, look at statistics and see what is really
00:35:20.060
happening. We have bad people everywhere, you know, but you have them in Holland too.
00:35:23.400
And every country you have to just places where you shouldn't go. And if you go there,
00:35:27.080
well, that's a big problem. Now those places are a lot of times they're portrayed in films,
00:35:31.360
in movies. And then people automatically assume that everybody is like that. The worst thing is
00:35:35.920
that we had these guys in, uh, in all, they say, Oh, California is so fake. Everybody says,
00:35:40.480
how are you doing? And I go, you do exactly the same. How are you? That's what you say in Holland
00:35:44.960
to people. Oh, okay. So what's the next thing? Oh yeah. George Bush at the time. They go like,
00:35:49.680
Oh, he's an, uh, he's a cowboy. Oh, he's a cowboy. And I know Bush didn't do a super great job,
00:35:56.240
but I go like, no, he's not. He's born in Cincinnati. I believe he's, he's not a cowboy.
00:36:00.480
So what's the next thing? And nobody has a second follow-up. So they all say the same thing.
00:36:05.600
Californians, they all say, how are you doing? Bush was a cowboy. It's like, everybody's repeating
00:36:09.600
themselves. Have you ever gone to America? No. So how can you say it is like, like you say it is,
00:36:16.160
they just repeat. And once they come here, 95% goes, Oh man, this is absolutely not what I expected,
00:36:23.680
you know, and be an American, a superpower and, and helping other countries. What is wrong with
00:36:27.600
that? Sometimes I get angry if other countries don't do it. You know, if you have the ability,
00:36:31.920
and especially with me, since I was a kid that was bullied and that happens a lot in the world
00:36:35.360
to the countries, no people get bullied. And, uh, and if America can do something about it, well,
00:36:40.960
I would, yeah, do something about it. If it's really right or try to make it right. America is just
00:36:46.160
there. They just want to interfere with everything. And I want to put their hands in everything. And,
00:36:50.400
and it's, I truly believe, I truly don't see it like that. It's a, it's a shit that the rest of
00:36:55.600
the world does. You know, I, the last thing I'm going to say is like, if you watch a CNN in Holland,
00:37:00.080
and you watch a CNN here in America, it's a different kind of CNN. You know, there we see,
00:37:04.800
you know, a bombing attack, but oh, by accident, the school got taken with it or something.
00:37:10.640
There were no kids in, but they took the school out. Oh, school, school, school, school. And they
00:37:13.680
make this whole big thing about, they took the school out. You know, here in America,
00:37:17.360
they say, yeah, we took the school out, you know, but thankfully they wouldn't open up your
00:37:19.840
children there. But we got this main guy, we got this guy and this guy, you know, it's,
00:37:23.520
it's almost like they flip it a little different over there. And, uh, I don't know why that is. I,
00:37:28.560
I have no clue. Is it jealousy or what? I, I don't see it. And I am a foreigner coming in here.
00:37:36.480
I appreciate that insight that that, yeah, that's definitely enlightening. And I've always
00:37:39.840
been curious about that. So boss, I've got a couple of quick questions for you as we wrap
00:37:43.440
things up. The first question I have for you is what does it mean in your mind to be a man?
00:37:48.960
To be a man, uh, yeah, no, I can go get religious on you.
00:37:57.120
I think a real man admits his weaknesses, listens to people, to criticism. Um, the problem with people
00:38:05.760
nowadays is that everybody sees themselves bigger than they really are, which is nuts. You know,
00:38:10.320
I always give the example, uh, you know, if you have a good golf player and he says, oh,
00:38:14.880
I probably played a good golf. Like one of your friends say, tell him, I film him while he's
00:38:18.880
playing golf and play that tape to him himself. I have it. When I do it, hit the back. And I think,
00:38:23.440
oh, I'm going really well until I videotape myself. I go, oh, that doesn't look like I really thought
00:38:28.720
it was going to look, you know? And once you realize that, that you are not as good as you think you are,
00:38:35.280
then, uh, you start, uh, slowing down with critiquing other people, you know, and taking
00:38:41.040
constructive criticisms. People email me sometimes just say, boss, this and this,
00:38:45.280
you know, I didn't like what you said there. You know, I don't want to give you any critique.
00:38:48.720
I don't want everything. I said, please keep giving this to me because I love to learn. I love,
00:38:53.200
I'd love to become a better person. I think a good guy, a real man admits when he's wrong.
00:38:57.760
He doesn't keep holding. Okay. Yeah, that was my fault. I'm sorry. You know, apologize from your
00:39:03.200
mistakes. You can only do that if you know that you're actually wrong. And, uh, and that's it.
00:39:08.080
And for the rest, help people. It does nothing to do with fighting. People always go like,
00:39:11.920
oh, he's a fighter and he likes, he can beat people up. Dude, that's the last thing I want
00:39:15.280
to do, beat people up. For us, for me to fight another professional fighter is like
00:39:20.080
a basketball, uh, doing a shooting hoops, uh, two guys to each other, whoever scores 10,
00:39:25.360
the first, uh, is going to be the winner. For us as a fighter, that feels exactly the same.
00:39:30.240
It's exactly a competition. There is no anger involved whatsoever. People think it is.
00:39:34.960
And sometimes it is when these fighters get out of hand, but it's a very rare occasion when that
00:39:39.120
is really real. Appreciate that insight. It's so valuable. So valuable. So boss, you've had
00:39:45.040
an excellent fighting career. I know you've done some movies and TV shows. Um, and now you're doing
00:39:49.680
a little bit, you mentioned it briefly with the O2 trainer. Tell me a little bit about that.
00:39:53.200
You know, yeah, like I said, I, I, I, I found out at the doctor's office that I was actually,
00:39:58.800
when I had an asthma attack, that I was training my lungs. I was making my lungs stronger because
00:40:04.240
they had to breathe through an infected area. And, uh, and that was the reason that when I would
00:40:09.440
resume my track and field, I will break my running times. So I, I started experimenting with, uh,
00:40:14.640
like coins in my mouth and the, uh, the, we would go on vacation to let's say France and they had
00:40:21.440
coins there that was before the Euro with holes in them. And I would try to put that in front of my
00:40:26.080
teeth. I tried to breathe through the little hole, but of course it's very dangerous because when you
00:40:29.760
open your mouth by accident, that thing shoots in your lung while you die, you know, it was something,
00:40:34.400
it was not a smart thing, but it was always in my head. I always go, man, that should be a very good
00:40:39.360
idea to control the air intake only. I know there's devices out there that control air in and out.
00:40:43.600
I don't like to do that. I like to completely empty your lungs so you can use your entire
00:40:47.040
inspiratory system to breathe in again. And, uh, at every party, you know, you always have guys who
00:40:52.960
have an invention and they talk about their invention. I would like to make this. And then my invention,
00:40:57.280
of course, always came up as a counterattack and everybody always said, man, you got to make that
00:41:01.040
thing. And, um, there was the ultimate fighter, which is a show from the, uh, from, uh, the ultimate
00:41:05.760
fighting championships. It's a TV show where fighters train two teams. They, they have to fight against
00:41:11.760
each other. And the one that wins is going to get a contract in the United, in the, uh, ultimate
00:41:16.480
fighting championship. Now there's two coaches and one of these coaches was training his students
00:41:22.400
with a snorkel device. And I, I wasn't watching the show at the time, but my telephone went nuts.
00:41:27.120
And it was, these were all these people that I told my idea to from the O2 trainer, which was
00:41:31.120
called the routinizer actually at the time. And, uh, they said, man, you got to make the routinizer,
00:41:35.280
man. Somebody's going to make it. I mean, now this guy's training with a snorkel device. Maybe
00:41:39.200
someone, somebody's going to come up with it. And that was it. That set the whole thing in process.
00:41:42.720
And I, uh, I just started doing a patent search. Nobody had the patent yet because everybody does air
00:41:47.680
in and out, which I knew that was not going to be, uh, the good, the correct way to do it. Just do the air in.
00:41:53.600
And, uh, so I have the patent start getting a prototype, start training with the prototype.
00:41:57.920
And that's when I realized my asthma got less and less and less. And suddenly I didn't need
00:42:01.680
an inhaler anymore. You know, my voice started getting louder. And then I realized, oh, so it's
00:42:05.840
also for singers, you know, it's for scuba divers, for people who do yoga. It's for any athlete. It's
00:42:10.800
for people who, who play a horn instrument. You know, I mean, it kept on going and I go, man,
00:42:16.000
just the way you feel. If I do just three times two, uh, three times 12 breathing exercises with
00:42:21.520
it in the morning before I do a workout, you completely feel different. You know,
00:42:25.760
people don't realize that oxygen is the most important in the body. You know, the survival
00:42:29.920
rule of three, and I always use this so you can understand it. It's like the average body
00:42:34.000
can go three weeks without food, three days without water, three minutes without oxygen.
00:42:39.120
Everybody focuses on the other two things. Nobody focuses, wait a minute, if that is very
00:42:44.400
important, maybe it would be really good for me to make it stronger and better. So it performs
00:42:49.120
better. It can, it can more move more volume of air in and out your lungs. And that was it. I,
00:42:55.680
the idea was there. I started getting crazy results. The, the reviews on the, on, on my website started
00:43:01.840
coming in and everybody loves it. I have a review from the sex, a sex player from the Eagles who was
00:43:07.280
with them for like 17 years, who says he has longer, stronger notes now. So, you know, it really
00:43:12.560
works. It's just a little thing. It looks really, you know, it's a mouthpiece pretty much that you
00:43:17.280
put in your mouth. It sticks a little bit out of your mouth and, uh, it controls the air intake.
00:43:21.680
It's a very simple device. Sounds like a, uh, like an incredible device. So if we want to learn more
00:43:27.600
about the O2 trainer or any of the work, uh, boss that you're doing, how, what's the best way to
00:43:33.040
connect with you and reach out to you? You know, I do a lot of Facebook. I answer all the
00:43:36.720
questions there. Save them at Twitter. Like Facebook is just facebook.com slash, uh,
00:43:40.720
boss rootin. Uh, that's boss with one S for the people, because some people, they pronounce my
00:43:45.200
name as bass and then you automatically assume it's two S's. So boss rootin and then boss rootin MMA
00:43:50.080
on Twitter. Uh, and, but I pretty much do on Twitter sometimes, you know, I post a picture
00:43:55.280
here and there, but most of the time I just answer questions from fans on Twitter. That's what I'm
00:44:00.160
doing there. But Facebook, I post more stuff, which automatically goes to Twitter as well. But, uh,
00:44:05.040
yeah, facebook.com and an O2 trainer, O2 trainer.com if you want to take a look at that device.
00:44:11.520
Awesome. Boss, I appreciate you being on the show today. Thank you so much for the insights and
00:44:15.280
taking your time to spend with us. I appreciate it. I thank you very much for having me. I had a
00:44:19.500
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