Order of Man - OoM 039： Living a Healthy Life with Shawn Stevenson

00:00:00.000 Many of you know the health journey I've been on over the past several years.

00:00:02.860 There's been some highs and there has definitely been some lows.

00:00:05.820 My guest today, Shawn Stevenson, visits with me to talk about how to get started

00:00:08.860 on your own journey towards a healthy life, how to break through some of those plateaus,

00:00:13.020 and how to finally take control of your health and wellness.

00:00:16.080 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest.

00:00:18.940 Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:21.880 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:25.980 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.

00:00:31.400 This is your life. This is who you are.

00:00:33.920 This is who you will become at the end of the day.

00:00:36.620 And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:41.120 Men, welcome to the Order of Man podcast.

00:00:43.360 I am Brian Mickler. I am the host and the founder of Order of Man.

00:00:46.600 And as always, I'm glad to be with you here today.

00:00:49.460 Now, we talk all things manly on this podcast, but specifically today,

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00:00:55.680 You know, I've been on a journey over the past several years,

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00:02:40.340 Men, we are in for a treat today.

00:02:42.520 My guest is Sean Stevenson.

00:02:44.600 Sean is a bestselling author, and he's also the creator of The Model Health Show.

00:02:49.880 Now this show is consistently featured as the number one health podcast in the country on iTunes.

00:02:56.740 Sean studied biology and kinesiology at the University of Missouri

00:03:00.140 and went on to start the Advanced Integrative Health Alliance,

00:03:04.320 a company that provides wellness services for individuals and organizations across the planet.

00:03:09.100 Sean's been featured in Men's Health Magazine, Entrepreneur Magazine, ESPN, Fox News,

00:03:15.020 and so many other media outlets.

00:03:16.420 He's also a frequent keynote speaker for numerous organizations, universities, and conferences.

00:03:21.240 All of them, of course, have outstanding reviews.

00:03:23.460 And he gives us some breaking news that he has not announced anywhere else,

00:03:27.480 so you will hear it first here on The Order of Man podcast.

00:03:31.740 Sean, welcome to the show.

00:03:32.760 Glad to have you on, man.

00:03:33.740 Glad to be here.

00:03:34.540 Thanks so much for having me on, Ryan.

00:03:36.420 This is part three of the conversations that we've had now,

00:03:39.600 so I'm stoked to be able to finish this and have a different conversation that we've had in the past

00:03:43.680 for the other podcast, The Good Dad Project.

00:03:45.940 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:46.540 That was awesome, by the way, man.

00:03:48.360 Brought a ton of value to the table, so I'm just hoping to do the same thing.

00:03:52.060 I know you will.

00:03:52.820 I know you will not disappoint.

00:03:54.280 We're stoked to have you on today.

00:03:55.680 So tell me what you would say.

00:03:58.320 We're going to come right out of the gates.

00:03:59.860 We're going to come with as much information as we can get the guys.

00:04:02.340 But tell me what you would say to a man who feels like, 0.95

00:04:06.320 you know what, I'm ready to take my health and my fitness and my nutrition,

00:04:10.640 whatever level I'm at, I want to take this to the next level.

00:04:14.560 What do you say to that guy who really is ready to do that?

00:04:18.420 Well, there's two things.

00:04:20.420 You know, one is a mindset thing, and the other thing is a very tangible application.

00:04:25.640 I'll start with that one first because that's really where my wheelhouse is.

00:04:28.480 So even if they're on the couch right now or they're already, like, doing CrossFit workouts,

00:04:35.000 the first thing that I would say is look at specifically where you can upgrade things,

00:04:40.680 you know.

00:04:41.040 So maybe it's just upgrading some of your nutrition, you know.

00:04:44.560 And so maybe you know that you need to, looking at your own particular soft spots,

00:04:50.460 you know, maybe it's some thyroid function, maybe it's some insulin resistance,

00:04:54.140 you know, if you're carrying around a little bit of extra belly fat, and you look at those points

00:04:58.260 and say, what can I do here specifically to improve with my nutrition?

00:05:02.780 Well, you know, first and foremost, because for me, it's food first, you know.

00:05:06.580 And there's this big moniker out there that abs are made in the kitchen, you know. 0.69

00:05:10.180 And if people see my, you know, my podcast icon or whatever, you know.

00:05:14.320 I'm not the guy that's walking around with his shirt off or whatever, but that's what's on my icon.

00:05:18.680 And I'm not somebody that's sitting around doing sit-ups all the time, believe it or not.

00:05:22.340 You know, I'm doing heavy deadlifts, and I'm eating incredible real food, you know.

00:05:28.020 So if it's somebody with a thyroid thing, and maybe they've got a little bit of hypothyroidism,

00:05:32.340 maybe you can look at, hey, maybe my iodine is a little bit off or a little bit low.

00:05:37.680 So start adding in some kelp, you know, some kelp granules.

00:05:40.700 It's a sea veggie that basically if you sprinkle it on your food, it tastes kind of like salt

00:05:44.760 that's very rich in bioavailable iodine.

00:05:47.460 And so finding little spots like that that you can upgrade your nutrition by adding in.

00:05:52.640 Don't think about taking away because that tends to create a feeling of deprivation or restriction.

00:05:58.880 But just start adding stuff in.

00:06:00.780 And as you add stuff in, it's probably going to start to crowd out some of the crap.

00:06:04.760 Yeah, that makes sense because it's probably – I mean, I know from personal experience

00:06:07.780 that it's stressful when you think, okay, I can't have any sugars.

00:06:10.120 I can't eat after 7 o'clock.

00:06:12.140 And you start placing all these restrictions on yourself.

00:06:14.440 And I know that's stressful, especially if you're not used to these kind of changes.

00:06:17.980 Exactly, exactly.

00:06:18.640 And there's this interesting thing.

00:06:19.960 You know, we get into this tug of war with your willpower versus your biology.

00:06:25.200 And you don't want that to happen.

00:06:26.520 So when you fortify your biology – and so one of those things is understanding the relationship

00:06:30.520 between these two hormones, leptin and ghrelin.

00:06:33.700 So leptin is your body's hunger hormone.

00:06:35.900 I'm sorry, it's your body's satiety hormone.

00:06:37.720 And so when leptin is activated properly and your leptin receptor sites are working,

00:06:42.940 you feel satiated.

00:06:44.060 So you feel like you don't have to go and crush that pizza, you know.

00:06:47.220 But if leptin is screwed up and the other one, which is ghrelin, it's the hunger hormone,

00:06:51.700 if that's kind of just ravenous and constantly being secreted in your system,

00:06:55.860 you're going to want to just tear down a whole buffet, you know.

00:06:59.640 And no matter what you eat, it's just not going to be good enough.

00:07:02.060 But the thing about eating real food, so upgrading your nutrition profile,

00:07:05.280 because there's something I always want people to take away whenever we talk about nutrition

00:07:09.240 is that this needs to be, like, printed on the top of this sheet of paper you're taking notes with

00:07:14.840 or tweeted or whatever.

00:07:16.240 Write this thing down.

00:07:16.960 Yeah.

00:07:17.360 We'll link it on the show notes too, for sure.

00:07:19.560 All right.

00:07:20.080 Here it is.

00:07:22.080 Nutrient deficiency leads to chronic overeating.

00:07:26.080 Okay.

00:07:26.400 Hmm.

00:07:26.960 Nutrient deficiency leads to chronic overeating.

00:07:29.320 When you're continuously just feeling like I've got to crush whatever it is and just

00:07:34.140 all hungry all the time, chances are more than like, we're talking like 99.999% probability

00:07:40.980 that you're deficient in certain key elements, you know.

00:07:44.540 Interesting.

00:07:45.240 Yeah.

00:07:45.560 And so what your body's doing by continuously turning on that hunger signal is giving basically

00:07:51.880 a cry to go and get these nutrients and to rebuild your tissues.

00:07:55.240 You know, it's, you don't get just, you don't get hungry for no reason.

00:07:57.760 Like, your body has this evolutionary push of hunger to bring in building blocks to build

00:08:03.360 you up again.

00:08:04.020 Like, your house, your body's like a house and you can build your house out of like bubble

00:08:08.380 gum and sticks or you can build it out of like brick and mortar, like real powerful raw

00:08:14.040 materials, you know.

00:08:15.500 And that's what we want to do.

00:08:16.480 If you're providing your body that stuff, you find that your hunger is in check and you

00:08:19.300 naturally start to gravitate towards foods that are more of the health-giving nature and

00:08:24.300 not like a hot pocket, right?

00:08:25.980 How do you find out what you're deficient in?

00:08:28.900 I mean, there's so many different things that you could actually be struggling with or not

00:08:32.460 have enough in your system.

00:08:33.660 And how do you find that stuff out?

00:08:35.040 Oh, yeah.

00:08:35.500 Well, if people don't want to get into the more cost-intensive way about that, you know,

00:08:41.260 just make sure that you're eating real food and eating a wide variety of foods.

00:08:47.080 So we're talking about, you know, lots of colors.

00:08:49.760 And colors are an indication of the antioxidant content that's in food.

00:08:53.300 So when people even hear about antioxidants, like, what is it?

00:08:55.640 It's really a color, you know.

00:08:57.160 And that's really what we're talking about.

00:08:58.740 But antioxidants basically stop oxidation or prevent an oxidative kind of explosion from

00:09:04.300 happening in your cells, which basically makes you die a little bit.

00:09:07.540 It's kind of like your body.

00:09:09.580 Minerals is something that we're talking about right now, being deficient in minerals.

00:09:13.020 So if you see, and what are minerals?

00:09:15.300 Minerals are basically they're rocks, right?

00:09:18.260 They're earth element, and you're made of a lot of minerals.

00:09:22.340 So when you're trying to, when somebody looks at you, they're seeing minerals or lack thereof,

00:09:27.800 and also protein because you're a protein machine.

00:09:30.160 But if you're deficient in any of these minerals, your body starts to have some serious kind of

00:09:35.280 problems show up.

00:09:36.840 And this is so critical.

00:09:38.540 But the other part is, hey, if you want to invest the dollar, you can just get tests done.

00:09:43.480 And there's an ELSA test that you could take.

00:09:46.940 There's a NutriVal test that you could take.

00:09:50.560 Also, it'd probably be advantageous to do a stool test, you know, and maybe a hair analysis

00:09:59.840 as well.

00:10:00.840 So there's so many different tests you can take.

00:10:02.460 And I wouldn't just put all my eggs into one basket on any one of those tests.

00:10:06.400 But you can get a comprehensive overview of that stuff if you get, if you work with an

00:10:10.760 intelligent enough practitioner in those fields.

00:10:13.640 So you can actually just, you don't have to throw stuff in the dark and see if anything

00:10:16.800 sticks.

00:10:17.320 You can just get it tested and figure it out.

00:10:19.860 And it's really important for, and for me personally, I'd rather go with, hey, just make

00:10:25.200 sure you're covering all your bases first and foremost by eating a wide variety of foods,

00:10:29.860 eating real food, doing a little bit of supplementation.

00:10:33.540 First and foremost, with concentrated food supplements.

00:10:36.320 So things like kelp that I mentioned earlier, spirulina, some hemp seeds, you know, doing

00:10:44.680 some fish oil, some fermented cod liver oil, like that kind of stuff.

00:10:48.620 These are supplements, but they're pretty food based.

00:10:51.520 And then we can get into the conversation about supplements later.

00:10:54.180 So food first, cover your bases.

00:10:56.840 And if you still think you've got some potential holes in your game, then get stuff tested.

00:11:01.260 I like that you talk about nutrition first as being one of the foundations.

00:11:04.820 I'm kind of running into this now.

00:11:06.180 I don't know if you know this based on our previous conversations, but a couple of years

00:11:09.140 ago, I actually weighed 50 pounds more than what I weigh today.

00:11:12.000 And I feel like even right now that I'm a little bit at a plateau with my level of health.

00:11:19.040 And the reason I feel like that is, is because I'll go to the gym and work my tail off as often

00:11:24.880 and as frequently, as much as I possibly can.

00:11:27.200 But when I come home, I don't, I still don't really eat all that well.

00:11:31.200 And so I've heard the phrase and the phrase keeps coming to my mind, which is you can't

00:11:34.900 out exercise a bad diet.

00:11:36.700 So I really appreciate what you're saying, which is, this is for me.

00:11:39.960 This podcast is for me.

00:11:40.920 I need to take all this stuff to heart for sure.

00:11:42.680 Yeah, definitely, man.

00:11:43.700 And I've seen this over the years, you know, I, it marvels me how little I actually work

00:11:48.560 out, you know, and I love working out, but I'm doing so many other things.

00:11:52.720 But because of the way that I eat, it's just like my body just doesn't require that.

00:11:56.820 Whereas when I was 19, 20 years old, like I'm hammering McDonald's down, like it's

00:12:02.200 going out of style, you know, and, and building muscle that way.

00:12:06.380 But if I would miss workouts, I would feel horrible.

00:12:09.320 My muscle would start, like my, my abs would start to get blurry really quickly.

00:12:13.480 You know, like I was, my body was dependent on keep trying to regenerate these very crappy

00:12:19.180 tissues and make my, make my tissues out of garbage.

00:12:22.720 But when you make your body out of real things, it makes it so much easier and more sustainable.

00:12:26.820 So, you know, food is really the key.

00:12:28.740 But the other thing too, that mindset piece, I'll just drop really, really quickly.

00:12:32.500 And then we can talk about it as well, is when you're, when you're like really ready and

00:12:37.740 willing to step up and take things to the next level, it's one thing to kind of, to say

00:12:42.740 that it's another thing to actually do something about it.

00:12:46.120 And for me, it really boils down to having a specific action item, you know, so this can't

00:12:53.420 be stated enough.

00:12:54.480 You know, people talk about setting goals, but having a very specific goal because your

00:12:58.960 brain works on specifics.

00:13:00.800 So it's like, yeah, I want to take stuff to the next level.

00:13:03.760 What the hell does the next level look like?

00:13:05.840 Right, right.

00:13:06.360 Everybody wants to be healthier, but you got to define it, right?

00:13:08.780 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:09.440 Like if you say, I want to be healthy, I want to lose some weight.

00:13:12.840 You know, I could throw a, one of those sauna suits on you and make you run around the 0.67

00:13:16.480 block, you know what I'm saying, for a couple of times.

00:13:18.720 And then you come back.

00:13:19.340 I remember that from the days of high school wrestling, when we were garbage sacks around

00:13:24.060 us, you know, to drop weight.

00:13:25.440 And I just talked with Ronda Rousey's trainer, Mike Dolce.

00:13:29.560 Oh, I heard that.

00:13:30.240 I heard that interview.

00:13:30.840 Yeah, and so, you know, he's all, like he's immersed in that world, you know, but that's

00:13:37.000 false, you know, like that's not really weight loss.

00:13:40.000 That's not really what you're going for.

00:13:41.320 You're looking for fat loss.

00:13:43.020 And so how much fat do you want to lose?

00:13:44.820 What body fat percentage do you want to be at?

00:13:47.060 How much weight do you want to lose?

00:13:48.680 Or should I say in fat, in body fat, how many pounds of fat do you want to lose?

00:13:53.060 Get specific because your brain really operates.

00:13:56.980 There's, there's, it's like a servo mechanism.

00:13:59.400 You have something called the reticular activating system or the RAS.

00:14:03.500 And it's like a built-in radar system.

00:14:05.960 And this is how, and everybody's had this happen.

00:14:09.520 You get a new car and you start to see that car everywhere.

00:14:13.240 Yeah, of course.

00:14:13.920 Right.

00:14:14.120 And the thing was, the cars were already there before, but.

00:14:17.920 Yeah, they were.

00:14:18.820 So now your brain is scanning, seeking because it's top of mind, you know?

00:14:22.320 So you give your brain specifics because it looks for specifics.

00:14:25.560 And if you, and I'm pretty sure, just based on my experience and I'm having that unique

00:14:31.300 opportunity to work with a couple thousand people, you get, you're going to get what

00:14:35.020 you ask for more often than not, you know, specifically what you ask for.

00:14:39.220 But if you're not being specific, then you can already forget about it from step one.

00:14:43.000 But then comes the other part that a lot of people are not doing, which is once you get

00:14:47.900 specific, taking action in that direction on a consistent basis.

00:14:51.300 And so that means for me, it doesn't mean you got to go and kill yourself every day trying

00:14:55.720 to work out or eat clean.

00:14:57.200 It means just making even a little bit of progress every day because you're either growing or

00:15:02.900 you're dying.

00:15:03.540 Better said, you're either moving forwards or you're going backwards.

00:15:06.920 You know, you can't stay the same.

00:15:08.500 So even if you move forward just a little bit every day, you're getting closer and closer

00:15:12.680 to making that very specific, tangible goal a reality.

00:15:17.280 I really like, I listened to your interview that you just did with Ben Greenfield and I

00:15:21.360 really liked the discussion that you guys were having.

00:15:23.440 You talked about, I think he specifically mentioned Spartan races and having something that he's

00:15:28.580 working towards that helped him as well.

00:15:30.920 I know when he said that, that resonated perfectly with me because that's what I did.

00:15:35.360 I do Spartan races as well.

00:15:36.560 And if I have something that I'm actually working towards and working for, I'm more

00:15:41.060 likely to accomplish those things as well when it comes to the mindset.

00:15:44.020 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:45.000 And it's really what this stuff really boils down to is you understanding your own psychology.

00:15:49.560 You know, are you a carrot or a stick?

00:15:52.360 You know, like this is a basic psychology questions.

00:15:56.060 Like, are you more motivated by pain or pleasure?

00:15:59.640 Like, and so the carrot or the stick that's basically like dangling the carrot in front of the

00:16:03.640 donkey, getting him to go forward.

00:16:04.920 Or do you got to hit the donkey with the stick with pain? 1.00

00:16:08.300 You know, what are you? 0.99

00:16:09.040 Which one are you?

00:16:09.720 I'm definitely reward based.

00:16:11.940 You know, like I don't like people telling me what to do necessarily.

00:16:15.680 I don't, I don't really subscribe to, I don't like the, even the negative talk.

00:16:20.220 I know there's negative situations, but I deal with them and process them within myself because

00:16:24.820 I'm, I've got my eyes on the prize.

00:16:26.460 I've got my eyes on the reward.

00:16:27.620 So for some people, you know, and just understanding some basic psychology, but then we can grow

00:16:32.880 out many, many levels.

00:16:34.080 So we talked about on the show, Ben is somebody like, I want to have something on the board

00:16:37.940 in front of me so that I know that I've got something to work towards.

00:16:41.320 Whereas for me, I'm more, I'm more right now results based.

00:16:46.860 You know, there are very specific things that I want within myself.

00:16:49.560 I want to be capable.

00:16:50.500 And for me, then I can start to detail.

00:16:52.840 What does that mean?

00:16:53.740 I want to have massive energy to be able to play with my kids, even at the end of the

00:16:58.360 day, when I'm tired, you know, when I'm supposed to be tired, I want to be able to think clearly

00:17:03.340 to be sharp.

00:17:04.740 You know, I'm, I'm fit so that, you know, just to be very authentic about this particular

00:17:10.940 thing, being somebody who's in the public eye, I want to look the part, you know, I want

00:17:16.240 to make sure that when people see me, they're like, oh, he has the thing, you know, whatever

00:17:20.000 it is he's talking about, he has the thing, you know, because I'm not like a, I'm not

00:17:23.800 the guy on my, like my podcast icon to walk around with his shirt off, but I want to make

00:17:28.380 sure that if the moment came to it and this is like, you're on national TV, we want to

00:17:33.480 prove that those abs are not airbrushed, you know, take your shirt off, that I can do it.

00:17:38.080 You know, I want to be ready for whatever situation manifests.

00:17:41.320 And, you know, so I have those little pin, um, uh, pinpoints in my mind about what that

00:17:45.700 means.

00:17:45.980 And so just being ready at all times, photo shoot, ready to be ready to do any type of

00:17:51.160 physical, uh, activity that might be called for.

00:17:53.620 Maybe we do just, Hey, we're going to go for a hike.

00:17:56.080 Hey, we're going to do this crazy CrossFit workout.

00:17:58.920 Hey, we're going to, and I want to be capable, you know?

00:18:01.080 So that's what really drives me.

00:18:02.940 I'm really glad you talk about looking the part because one of the key elements that we

00:18:07.280 talk about of, of masculinity and being a man is style.

00:18:10.900 The way that you come across the way you show up and with you, it ties together, obviously

00:18:15.820 with the health component that we talk about as well.

00:18:18.320 But we talk about this all the time is you've got to be congruent with your message.

00:18:21.660 You've got to be congruent with who you are and people are going to view you and make judgments

00:18:26.300 about you based on your style, the way you show up, the way you communicate, the way you

00:18:32.580 look.

00:18:33.100 And for you, obviously that's a credibility booster.

00:18:35.640 If you were out of shape or you were tired from a little, you know, minor exercise, what's

00:18:40.380 that going to say to your credibility when it comes to talking about people with their

00:18:43.480 health and their fitness, right?

00:18:44.720 Right.

00:18:45.040 Exactly.

00:18:45.500 You're so right, man.

00:18:47.120 And, you know, this is what we really need today is, you know, we, we live at the time

00:18:52.040 of the greatest distraction.

00:18:53.220 Like there's so much stuff going on, so much stuff coming at us.

00:18:56.320 And our BS meter is just like super spot on for people, you know, it's just like we can

00:19:01.620 sense it very quickly.

00:19:02.600 So what we want to do as authentic men is to understand that transparency is the name

00:19:09.280 of the game, you know?

00:19:10.780 So even like whatever weird skeletons are in the closet, like the closet is in, like it's

00:19:15.520 transparent now.

00:19:16.280 Like people can see in the closet, bro, you know?

00:19:18.260 So just understand, like, you just want to be more of yourself and express more of yourself

00:19:23.160 and to make sure that you're being congruent with who you portray yourself to be.

00:19:29.200 You know, if you're, if you're putting on an act, you know, if you were, if you, and

00:19:34.280 we, the thing is, you know, we all modulate and change based on the environment we're in.

00:19:38.820 That's natural.

00:19:39.500 That's a human gift, you know?

00:19:41.620 So, because people have a certain, they have a work personality, you know, and they have

00:19:48.080 their home personality.

00:19:49.360 But hopefully they have a net, like you're not doing a complete 180, you know?

00:19:53.760 And you're showing up at work as the nicest guy ever.

00:19:56.000 Then you're getting home and the first thing you do is kick your dog, you know what I'm

00:19:59.080 saying?

00:19:59.760 So we want to be, be congruent as possible to just demonstrate who we are, to really step

00:20:07.100 into those shoes, to walk our talk is really what I want to get to is just, that's what

00:20:12.000 it's really about today.

00:20:13.140 More so than ever is because everybody can, if you've got a Facebook page, you're a brand,

00:20:19.580 you know?

00:20:19.940 So more than ever, people can falsify who they are, you know?

00:20:23.300 And there is some validity to fake it till you make it kind of thing.

00:20:26.300 But at the end of the day, you got to walk your talk, you know?

00:20:29.440 And that's what I really feel is important as a characteristic for a man in today's environment.

00:20:34.260 I completely agree with that.

00:20:35.660 I want to go back to something that you were talking about when it comes to that you're

00:20:39.540 the, you're the carrot guy, the reward guy.

00:20:41.360 What are some of the rewards that you personally set up for yourself to keep yourself motivated

00:20:45.340 to continue?

00:20:45.920 Wow, man.

00:20:48.580 So some of the things that are really motivating me now is, oh man, I mean, this is like, it's

00:20:54.160 even hard to talk about.

00:20:55.020 It's just really a dream come true for me.

00:20:57.500 And I remember, I don't think I've shared this story yet, but I remember-

00:21:02.400 You heard it here first then, right?

00:21:04.640 Well, I remember when, it depends on how quickly you get this show out.

00:21:08.420 I'm going to have to get it up quick now before somebody else steals the thunder.

00:21:12.180 Oh man, I mean, it's a small thing, but when I was a kid, when I was in third grade, maybe

00:21:17.820 I was in fourth grade, but I remember walking home from my bus stop and I saw this huge,

00:21:23.420 and I lived in a, you know, it wasn't the best neighborhood, but there was this huge pink 1.00

00:21:28.220 bear sitting outside next to the trash pickup.

00:21:33.580 And I was just like, wow, I mean, this is really cool.

00:21:35.980 And I took that bear home and I gave it to my mom slash my sister, ended up with it, you 1.00

00:21:42.640 know, so it ended up being my sister's pink bear.

00:21:44.920 And it was bigger than she was because maybe she was like one year old at the time, maybe

00:21:49.360 two.

00:21:50.540 And so, but my aunt, my aunt was the first one in our family to graduate from college. 1.00

00:21:57.120 And she actually ended up writing a book that got published.

00:22:02.020 She was like a kid's book and I need to go and look this up because it's the first time

00:22:05.380 I'm thinking of talking about this in so long, but it's called Michi and the Pink Bear.

00:22:09.920 And that was my sister, my sister's nickname.

00:22:12.440 And I just, when she wrote this book, I just was like, I want to do that.

00:22:16.140 I want to write a book, you know?

00:22:18.960 And it became this thing that it definitely got covered up over the years, you know, going

00:22:22.940 to school and, you know, you trying to express yourself in writing style and some teachers

00:22:27.580 not really digging my writing.

00:22:29.320 And in some, I remember I had an eighth grade teacher was another kind of paramount moment

00:22:34.160 in my life.

00:22:34.760 And she published, we did this project on poetry and she published one of my poems in the school

00:22:38.840 newspaper and it just gave me so much confidence.

00:22:42.440 And I kind of lost track over that again through the years, going through health problems and

00:22:46.880 just struggles with, you know, problems in school, you know, getting in trouble, things

00:22:52.560 like that.

00:22:53.000 I lost track of how passionate I was about this, but it rekindled.

00:22:56.280 And I recently agreed to a incredible, like, it doesn't even make any sense, a book deal

00:23:01.420 with Rodale, who they're huge in the wellness space.

00:23:05.360 Men's Health Magazine, you know, Women's Health Magazine, Runner's Magazine.

00:23:09.020 Really?

00:23:09.100 Yeah.

00:23:10.740 That's actually why I was working so hard today is I'm doing an article for Women's Health

00:23:14.640 Magazine today that was just so out of the blue and I've just been crushing myself to

00:23:18.820 make it happen.

00:23:19.560 But anyway, so right now, what's motivating me is having this book when it comes out in

00:23:28.100 March 2016 to be a New York Times bestselling book, you know, to be a number one New York

00:23:34.060 Times bestselling book.

00:23:35.260 And it's even a little scary to say that.

00:23:37.700 Yeah.

00:23:38.200 Because what about failure?

00:23:39.300 What if I fail?

00:23:40.440 You know, but again, I'm the reward, you know, like I don't care.

00:23:45.260 Like, number one, if I just even scratch the bottom of the list, shooting for the moon,

00:23:51.200 at least you hit the stars kind of thing, you know?

00:23:53.180 Sure, sure.

00:23:53.860 I just want to make that happen.

00:23:55.300 And this is why.

00:23:56.380 This is another thing that really motivates me.

00:23:58.500 Not for this personal accolade.

00:24:00.120 Of course, I would love to make my family proud to honor my aunt who wrote that book,

00:24:06.040 who inspired me to just see that look in her eyes, you know, being proud of me for making

00:24:10.480 that moment happen.

00:24:11.640 But the people that it can impact, you know?

00:24:14.520 I want to change the landscape of health on this planet.

00:24:17.380 And not just, and when I say I, it's a bigger I, you know?

00:24:19.900 Because I can't do this without you, bro.

00:24:21.780 I can't do this without a lot more people, us working together to change how things are

00:24:26.420 happening in our society.

00:24:27.500 Because stuff is like, it's not very good right now, you know?

00:24:32.140 But big waves are happening.

00:24:34.080 And I feel that I'm a part of this huge shift that people are going to look back on and

00:24:38.400 decades from now just be like, that was the dark ages of health, you know?

00:24:42.780 Books like Sleep Smarter.

00:24:45.620 Books like Wheat Belly.

00:24:47.340 Like, these books came along and changed the conversation.

00:24:49.580 They changed the paradigm.

00:24:51.340 And they got people to tune back into their own health and their own body.

00:24:54.620 And they showed up as better people for themselves and for other people.

00:24:58.280 So I want to change society through that, man.

00:25:00.120 And that's really what motivates me, kind of just gets me up out of bed every day, just

00:25:04.740 fired up, is something bigger than myself.

00:25:08.000 I love it, man.

00:25:09.400 Congratulations on the opportunity.

00:25:10.960 And you just make sure you let us know how we can support you.

00:25:13.040 Because we want to help and we want to support you.

00:25:14.560 And I know your message is something that I'm interested in.

00:25:16.960 And it's a message that a lot of the guys that are listening are interested in.

00:25:20.460 So however we can support you, we want to do that.

00:25:22.640 New York Times, number one bestseller, right?

00:25:24.560 Yes, yes.

00:25:25.240 I said it.

00:25:25.820 This is the first time I spoke it out loud right here, man.

00:25:27.980 All right, I'm going to get this episode out quick then.

00:25:30.820 So how do you, why is it that men become unmotivated?

00:25:35.960 And this is actually pretty timely because right around the beginning of the year, we

00:25:39.520 always have these New York, New Year's goals and New Year's resolutions of, hey, I'm going

00:25:44.760 to lose weight.

00:25:45.300 I'm going to get in shape.

00:25:46.100 I'm going to do this.

00:25:46.920 And 2016 is going to be incredible.

00:25:49.260 And then a week later or four weeks later, if you're lucky, you forget all about that.

00:25:53.620 Why do we lose track or lose sight of what we once thought was really important for us?

00:25:59.040 We just talked about this on the Good Dad Project.

00:26:02.660 And this episode, I think it's coming out in a couple of weeks.

00:26:05.300 But I went in and talked about there's a difference between motivation and inspiration.

00:26:11.560 It's different in our lexicon, in the words that we use, but the meaning is different and

00:26:15.220 the experience is different.

00:26:16.320 You know, motivation is like, it's something external, you know, it's something that can

00:26:22.540 temporarily get you fired up about something.

00:26:25.500 But it's very, it has this ebb and flow, you know, it's very in and out.

00:26:31.580 It's not very tangible.

00:26:33.620 Whereas inspiration, what that word means is in spirit, you know, and it's kind of this

00:26:38.840 internal fire that you have, you know, whereas the external motivation, I think that that can

00:26:44.740 kindle the fire, you know, it can can make the fire, you know, kind of warm up a little

00:26:49.540 bit more.

00:26:49.980 But that entire that internal fire has to be there, you know, and everybody is it has

00:26:55.000 we all have different aspirations and inspirations, you know, so it's tuning in and finding out

00:27:01.440 like, does this thing really motivate me?

00:27:03.460 Am I really passionate about this thing?

00:27:05.460 Am I on fire for it?

00:27:06.740 Do I have a fire for actually being healthy and fit, you know, or is it just like that's

00:27:11.100 somebody else's bag and I'm just going to go and hang out at McDonald's or I

00:27:14.700 right now and give me a Big Mac, you know, like, you got to be honest about this.

00:27:19.600 Is that fire really in you?

00:27:21.140 And chances are, if you're listening to this podcast, then it is, you know, so understanding

00:27:26.180 that.

00:27:26.480 So number one, inspiration, and it's helping to kindle that fire by the external motivation

00:27:31.840 as well.

00:27:32.380 So constantly immerse.

00:27:35.300 I love this word immersion, immersing yourself in the things that help to keep reminding you

00:27:40.420 of how powerful you are, to keep reminding you of how important this moment is for you

00:27:45.360 to continue on that path that you've taken.

00:27:47.600 What's so demotivating is the number one thing as human beings, our number one driving

00:27:52.780 force is to stay congruent with the ideas that we carry of ourselves.

00:27:56.660 So when you start to step outside of that paradigm, you're going to get hit with pain, like it's

00:28:00.880 going to feel uncomfortable and it's not going to feel good because you're stretching yourself

00:28:05.340 outside of your reality that you're comfortable in, you know, so when that resistance starts

00:28:10.360 to show up, so maybe it's like I've been going to the gym consistently for a month and

00:28:14.100 eating great food and now I'm on my way to the gym and I got a flat tire.

00:28:18.220 Oh no, I can't go.

00:28:19.580 Matter of fact, well then now I can't go for the next week because now, you know, and then,

00:28:24.180 you know, now I've got this thing with my face and then all of a sudden it's been a

00:28:27.340 month and you're back hating yourself and beating yourself up because you fell off the wagon,

00:28:34.380 quote, fell off the wagon.

00:28:35.720 Now here's the thing, man, that wagon, like this whole idea of falling off the wagon,

00:28:40.640 like some people fall off the wagon and they just stay there.

00:28:43.180 Right.

00:28:43.660 It's just never get back up, never get back on.

00:28:45.700 Exactly.

00:28:46.400 You need to have like some ninja moves that when you touch the ground, like boom, I'm

00:28:49.940 back on the wagon.

00:28:51.180 What?

00:28:51.600 Bounce off the ground, right?

00:28:52.840 I'm driving, I'm ghost riding the wagon, you know?

00:28:56.040 And so you can really start to modulate because you continuously have that external motivation

00:29:01.520 to keep that fire lit, you know?

00:29:03.720 So immerse yourself in things that keep you on track, you know, powerful messages like

00:29:08.320 this podcast, you know, whatever it is, inspirational videos, reading, you know, you got to get yourself

00:29:15.220 surrounded by people who are already where you want to be.

00:29:18.220 That's why people get demotivated is they get disconnected when they start to hit up against

00:29:23.800 that struggle or that discomfort of going outside their paradigm and problems inherently show

00:29:29.260 up and it could be small problems.

00:29:30.500 It usually generally are very small problems, but the more and more we ignore those things,

00:29:35.400 they get bigger and bigger and bigger and more difficult to overcome.

00:29:38.880 So what I'm wanting to do too, even with some of the stuff we're talking about today is instead

00:29:43.620 of hitting rock bottom, which I did, getting people to create their own rock bottom so they

00:29:48.520 don't have to actually hit the real rock bottom, you know, and getting irritated and getting

00:29:53.640 fed up and getting just completely done with the fact of where they are right now, like

00:29:59.500 I'm so over it, I'm finished with this, you know?

00:30:02.720 And so you create your own discomfort so that life doesn't have to do it for you because

00:30:07.560 here's the thing, Ryan, and you know this, like if there's something we have to do, like

00:30:12.580 if it's for the health of our child or if it's like taking care of a certain bill and we don't

00:30:19.200 have the money, we will find a way if it's necessary, you know, if it's truly like do

00:30:24.640 or die, we've got to find a way.

00:30:25.780 We always find a way, you know, even if we don't have it.

00:30:29.080 But the thing is we don't do that for these other things because they're not pressing,

00:30:32.440 you know, it's just kind of like, it would be nice if, you know, I had a six pack or

00:30:36.080 it'd be nice if I lost this 50 pounds.

00:30:37.940 It would be nice if, you know, instead of just like do or die, this is a must.

00:30:43.720 I absolutely have to make this happen.

00:30:46.000 You know, I can't live like this anymore, you know, and you get fed up.

00:30:49.120 And you create that, but then you go into the immersion that we've been talking about

00:30:52.780 so that you can break through and the demotivation naturally happens.

00:30:56.920 Yeah, I know.

00:30:57.480 I know that was so true for me.

00:30:59.140 I remember, and my story was actually very similar to something you said.

00:31:01.900 I remember coming home one night and my boys jumping on me, dad, let's go do this.

00:31:06.060 Let's go jump on the trampoline.

00:31:07.160 Let's go run outside.

00:31:08.060 And I was physically incapable of doing it.

00:31:11.920 I was like, no boys, I'm tired.

00:31:13.660 I'm exhausted.

00:31:15.320 And that was the moment that I just thought, this is not cool.

00:31:19.380 Like I cannot be the kind of dad that I really want to be if I continue to go down this path.

00:31:24.780 And I remember the moment that I felt like I had actually turned the corner

00:31:29.140 is my boys asked me to go jump on the trampoline with them.

00:31:32.380 And I jumped on the trampoline with them.

00:31:34.700 And they said, dad, we're tired.

00:31:36.680 Can we go back inside?

00:31:37.780 And it was so cool to know that they got tired before I did.

00:31:40.780 Yes, that's so cool.

00:31:42.720 Great moment.

00:31:43.840 So I want to talk about some of the other pitfalls that we as men should avoid or be wary of,

00:31:50.360 and at least be able to recognize when it comes to getting in better shape and the right nutrition

00:31:56.680 and the right fitness.

00:31:57.960 What are some common missteps that you see people are making in their path to become healthier?

00:32:03.800 Wow.

00:32:05.100 Yeah, there's a lot of them, man.

00:32:07.520 Yeah, there is.

00:32:08.200 You know, I think one of the just foundational things that a lot of people have been victim

00:32:12.800 to is listening to ideas, concepts, theories, hypothesis, a hypothesis of something regarding

00:32:23.760 health that isn't actually true.

00:32:25.780 You know, it's just a guess.

00:32:27.320 It's just a theory, you know.

00:32:29.140 So people buying into, like we did for so long, and it was not based on solid science

00:32:33.660 at all, the food pyramid concept.

00:32:36.660 Right.

00:32:37.160 You know, where the basis of your diet should be 7 to 11 servings of grains every single

00:32:42.120 day, you know, and that should be the foundation of what you're eating.

00:32:46.080 Not really understanding or people having the common knowledge that grains will inherently,

00:32:52.580 it's a carbohydrate-based food, so they will inherently spike your insulin more so than

00:32:56.440 anything.

00:32:56.900 And insulin is your body's number one fat-storing hormone.

00:32:59.360 So chances are you're going to be storing a lot more fat a lot easier, you know.

00:33:03.600 And so if we want to lose weight, I need to eat 7 to 11 servings of this stuff.

00:33:07.680 And also, are you a fast oxidizer or a slow oxidizer?

00:33:11.660 You know, like basic stuff like this, if we look at some more stuff along the lines of

00:33:15.400 biology.

00:33:16.540 And so somebody who's a fast oxidizer, they burn through energy very quickly.

00:33:21.280 So if I'm a fast oxidizer and I'm basing my diet on a high-carbohydrate diet, I'm going

00:33:26.320 to keep on, I'm going to just, again, be ravenous.

00:33:29.240 I'm going to be hungry all the time.

00:33:31.720 Yeah.

00:33:32.300 And so because I'm burning through this, and this is, I'm a fast oxidizer.

00:33:35.380 I actually just had this checked yesterday.

00:33:37.920 And so for me, I need to eat a higher-fat diet because it's more of a slow-burning fuel.

00:33:42.860 You want to think about your metabolism as like, you know, your metabolism is another fire

00:33:46.880 that's within you, and eating carbohydrates is like throwing some paper onto that fire.

00:33:51.500 It's going to burn really brightly for just a second, but then it's going to be gone.

00:33:55.020 You know, protein is sort of right in the middle.

00:33:57.260 Fats are like putting a big, heavy log on the fire.

00:33:59.720 It's not going to burn really hot, really bright, but it's going to burn steady for a

00:34:03.620 much longer time.

00:34:05.100 Interesting.

00:34:05.700 So understanding whether or not you're a fast or slow oxidizer, that's going to dictate

00:34:10.400 what your food is going to look like.

00:34:12.120 You know, basic stuff like this, but chances are it's still across the board.

00:34:15.760 Eating 7 to 11 servings of, quote, healthy whole grains, which they put that on freaking

00:34:20.800 frosted mini wheats or, you know, like Cocoa Pebbles, like whole grains, you know.

00:34:26.340 And so I was eating that stuff too, man, because it's just like, oh, yeah, this is whole grain,

00:34:30.120 so it's good for me.

00:34:31.220 You know, so buying into the marketing, buying into the popular paradigms regarding health,

00:34:35.920 and this is what happened with me that changed everything, is that I just stepped back and

00:34:40.540 looked at the results, right?

00:34:42.660 It's like, so many people are doing this, but it's not working.

00:34:47.780 It's not working.

00:34:49.500 And this is just like that whole thing with the definition of insanity so many people have

00:34:54.500 heard before, doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

00:34:59.700 You know?

00:35:00.020 And it's just like, we've gone insane as a society when it comes to nutrition and diet,

00:35:04.300 because we've bought into the wrong paradigm.

00:35:07.020 We bought into information and faux science and stuff that doesn't actually work and hold

00:35:13.020 up.

00:35:13.660 So that's one of the biggest things that comes to mind immediately.

00:35:17.620 So how does a man decipher then?

00:35:19.760 Because if I typed in right now, if I typed in health or exercise or nutrition or fitness,

00:35:25.300 it would literally come up with a trillion results.

00:35:29.040 And there's, I don't know how many podcasts in the health and fitness space, just like

00:35:36.120 there's a ton of podcasts in the masculinity space that we're talking about.

00:35:40.260 So how does a guy say, all right, this is something worth listening to.

00:35:43.800 This is actually fact and good information.

00:35:46.400 And this, no, we're going to avoid that.

00:35:48.040 Man, that's a great, great question.

00:35:51.220 You know, I think it's actually, even though it's harder than ever today, in ways it's

00:35:55.200 easier than ever, you know, because the cream rises to the top, you know?

00:36:00.900 So paying attention to the people who have the results and who've gotten those results

00:36:04.960 for other people.

00:36:06.100 But here's the caveat, in ways that feel good to you, that resonate with you, because there

00:36:11.720 are people out there who are fit and they've got people fit by having them work out for 30

00:36:16.200 minutes a day doing like insane, like crazy exercise, just beating themselves down and

00:36:23.780 then causing like, um, some reverse cortisol issues later on down the line that makes it

00:36:29.200 almost impossible for them to lose weight once they gain it back, you know?

00:36:33.060 So like, it's understanding like, does that what I want?

00:36:36.300 Do I want to work out like a maniac every day?

00:36:38.980 And if you, because some people that's, that's what they want to do.

00:36:41.820 And if people have the result and they've gotten the result for other people, go for it.

00:36:46.060 If that's what feels good to you, but that's what it's really about is looking to the person

00:36:50.040 to see who's teaching it.

00:36:51.180 Do you actually look like what you're talking about and what have you done for other people?

00:36:56.480 You know, and that's more obvious and easy to find out today.

00:36:59.140 You know, when you look at the top health experts and here's another little secret, let's just,

00:37:03.020 let's just call it what it is.

00:37:04.420 You know, like we've got me right there.

00:37:06.840 If you go to iTunes and you look at the health chart, top of the chart, you're always at the

00:37:11.560 top.

00:37:11.860 And then you've got Jillian Michaels right there. 0.83

00:37:14.120 Right.

00:37:15.220 And so the cream rises to the top.

00:37:17.360 Here's the interesting thing.

00:37:18.700 You know, a lot of people in my, in my niche, especially who are more geared towards, you

00:37:22.920 know, real food, smart exercise, great sleep, all the basic human stuff that your genes expect

00:37:29.080 of you have this beef with Jillian Michaels because it's just like the biggest loser TV, 1.00

00:37:34.320 messing people up, calling, you know, you idiot, get up. 1.00

00:37:38.200 Right, right. 1.00

00:37:39.120 But there's a lot more, I mean, she's on TV, so there's a lot more fluff, you know.

00:37:43.620 Of course, there has to be, it has to be entertaining.

00:37:45.660 But chances are she's not going to get to that level of success if she doesn't care to

00:37:48.740 some degree about helping people.

00:37:50.640 So I look at the positives.

00:37:51.980 And so one of the things, yeah, absolutely. 0.93

00:37:53.980 She started off in the game teaching the crap that I was just talking about, which is, 0.95

00:37:58.740 you know, eating a high carbohydrate diet, low fat and all this stuff. 0.92

00:38:02.200 But she's been in the public eye longer because right now she's gradually shifting her, her

00:38:07.900 message, you know, and like organic kale chips, seaweed, you know, like she's, because if you're

00:38:15.840 going to get to the top and stay at the top, you've got to do what works, you know, and

00:38:20.900 as more people like myself who have just kind of come to the forefront, Abel James, Ben Greenfield,

00:38:28.440 we were just talking about, once we start really coming to the forefront, like people

00:38:32.400 can choose and say, hey, you know what, what he's saying makes a lot more sense, Jillian,

00:38:37.580 and start pulling away that audience.

00:38:39.380 It's like, you better get with the program or better yet get with the D program, you know,

00:38:44.420 you got to get with the D program.

00:38:46.260 And I remember that line, like this guy, David Wolf, who's like a raw food guy.

00:38:50.420 He said that as just like, absolutely, you just said it, bro.

00:38:54.100 And so this is what we have to really pay attention to.

00:38:57.220 You know, does a person have the results?

00:38:58.900 Are they getting it from other people?

00:39:00.520 And does the science really make sense to you?

00:39:03.180 I mean, like deeply.

00:39:04.640 And that's kind of what I pride myself on, man, as you know, this is just making this

00:39:08.820 complex biology, biochemistry, very attainable and easy.

00:39:13.920 And that's my brand.

00:39:14.920 It's like, I'm the, I'm the cool guy.

00:39:17.400 Right.

00:39:17.920 That's right.

00:39:18.540 You know, it's just like, that's because that's who I am.

00:39:21.280 You know, I don't want to be standing here like I'm a billion times better than you.

00:39:25.720 I might be a little bit cooler than you, but that's okay.

00:39:28.620 You're a lot cooler than I am.

00:39:29.920 That's for sure.

00:39:31.200 And so, you know, just being somebody who's like a cool friend, like somebody who you can,

00:39:36.100 like, you can trust me that I'm not going to have you do something that's ridiculously 1.00

00:39:40.880 idiotic and mess yourself up. 0.99

00:39:42.980 Like, I'm going to do a lot of the homework before I come and even talk to you. 1.00

00:39:46.520 So I'm going to present you with the best information in a way that's cool, fun.

00:39:50.480 You're going to have a good time learning.

00:39:51.840 Matter of fact, you're not even going to really trip off the fact that you're learning.

00:39:54.760 Like, you know, right.

00:39:55.920 And so that's really what my brand looks like.

00:39:57.880 And so and people can get that.

00:39:59.760 They can listen to the information.

00:40:01.060 They can be like, you know what?

00:40:02.060 Hey, that that actually makes sense to me.

00:40:04.580 He's got the results.

00:40:05.720 Look at all these other people that he's helped.

00:40:07.420 I'm going with this guy.

00:40:09.520 Yeah.

00:40:09.680 And that's the reason I like listening to your show.

00:40:11.320 I think a lot of times when people want to get started with better nutrition or better

00:40:17.560 fitness, you know, they sit on the fence, they get all the information, then they get

00:40:20.780 so overwhelmed with all of the technicalities that they end up never taking action.

00:40:25.040 So I really appreciate you breaking this down for us and making it simple.

00:40:28.040 And I want to give because we're scratching the surface, right?

00:40:30.700 So I want to give all the guys that are listening an opportunity to connect with you.

00:40:34.420 And Sean, we're winding down on time.

00:40:35.840 I want to ask you a couple other questions as we do.

00:40:38.640 And then, like I said, I'm going to give you the opportunity to share with us how we get

00:40:41.720 in touch with you and find out more about what you're doing.

00:40:43.940 But before I do that, I want to know from your perspective, what does it mean to be

00:40:49.040 a man?

00:40:50.500 You know what?

00:40:51.520 It's exactly what I said earlier, walking your talk.

00:40:55.200 That's a man to me, you know, somebody that whether right or wrong, you stand for what

00:41:00.800 you believe in, you walk your talk, you're not just telling everybody, it's not just the

00:41:05.120 audio, you know, you got the video to go along with it, you know?

00:41:08.720 So when people see you, you're doing the things that you talk about.

00:41:11.380 So you're not going to catch me out.

00:41:12.680 You're not going to see Sean at the airport, like sipping on a Diet Pepsi, you know what

00:41:18.080 I'm saying?

00:41:18.460 Like that is not going to happen.

00:41:20.480 And if it is happening, then chances are I'm being held hostage, you know what I'm saying?

00:41:25.420 And somebody, you know, but even in that context, it's like, I'm still good on the Diet Pepsi.

00:41:29.980 But just understand, you know, we got to walk our talk.

00:41:32.820 We got to be the man that we say we are, you know, first of all, within ourselves.

00:41:37.720 I mean, that's so powerful, man.

00:41:39.300 When you actually know that you are the person that you say you are.

00:41:43.200 That bleeds over into everything else you do.

00:41:45.200 And you don't have to prove it to anybody.

00:41:47.100 You know, people are just going to know when they see you.

00:41:49.280 They're just going to know when they're around you, you know?

00:41:51.660 And so that's, to me, that's what a man is.

00:41:54.780 I love it.

00:41:55.580 Perfect.

00:41:56.200 Sean, how do we connect with you, man?

00:41:57.480 How do we find out about the podcast, connect with you, go to your website?

00:42:00.540 Where do we reach out?

00:42:01.660 Sure.

00:42:02.160 Well, just where everybody's listening to this episode, this podcast, this incredible

00:42:05.920 podcast, they can just check out The Model Health Show.

00:42:09.480 Is the name of my show?

00:42:10.560 The Model Health Show.

00:42:12.400 And just type it into the search box or just check the top of the charts.

00:42:15.820 We better be there with Jillian. 0.99

00:42:17.920 You're always there.

00:42:19.540 You know?

00:42:19.900 And so you can check us out there.

00:42:21.960 I'm very, I'm just blown away to be able to say that because that show started off as

00:42:25.140 an idea, you know, and to see it grow to this level.

00:42:28.860 So we're doing something right.

00:42:30.400 And I think that it just ties back to, again, what we're talking about is walking the talk

00:42:33.800 and standing for something, you know?

00:42:36.460 And so people could check me out there or you can go to themodelhealthshow.com and the

00:42:41.020 episodes are there as well.

00:42:42.040 Also, we do some videos so you can be in the studio with us.

00:42:45.080 And I'm on Instagram now.

00:42:46.600 I'm really late to the game in social media, man.

00:42:48.520 But I'm at Sean Model, S-H-A-W-N-M-O-D-E-L on Instagram and same thing on Twitter.

00:42:56.140 People can reach out there.

00:42:57.100 I'm very active on Instagram and connecting with people.

00:43:00.900 I love that platform now.

00:43:02.320 You know, my kids had it before.

00:43:04.180 Like I've got two teenagers like three years ago and I was like, I'll never, you know?

00:43:09.000 I know another, this is like Facebook.

00:43:10.740 Why do I need this?

00:43:11.760 Oh man, we got to, again, we got to get with the deprogram, man.

00:43:14.920 That's right.

00:43:15.540 The kids are the early adapters.

00:43:17.080 We need to get on to what they're doing.

00:43:18.220 So we can be front runners and that stuff.

00:43:20.580 So those are the way people that people can connect with me.

00:43:23.760 And again, themodelhealthshow.com is where my kind of home online is.

00:43:29.340 Sean, I appreciate you.

00:43:30.440 I appreciate your time.

00:43:31.300 I know you're a busy guy.

00:43:32.280 You've got a book to write, it sounds like.

00:43:34.480 And you've got so many other things going on.

00:43:36.680 I appreciate your wisdom and what you've done for me and my fitness as well as I know the

00:43:41.200 guys that are listening to this are going to get some value as well.

00:43:43.200 So thanks again for being on the show today.

00:43:44.540 Hey, man.

00:43:44.920 It's my honor.

00:43:45.500 Thanks so much for having me on.

00:43:46.520 There it is, guys.

00:43:47.980 Mr. Sean Stevenson talking with us about how to take your health to the next level and

00:43:52.280 live that healthy life.

00:43:53.300 His podcast and the information he shared today has been so valuable as I've set out on my

00:43:58.140 own health journey.

00:43:59.460 So I encourage you to check him out and what he's doing.

00:44:01.940 If you want to dig into that, again, you can head to orderofman.com slash 039.

00:44:05.240 You'll get the access to the links and the resources and the highlights from the show.

00:44:09.260 And then again, if you want to have a further discussion about this, go to our Facebook group,

00:44:13.420 facebook.com slash groups slash order of man.

00:44:17.020 Again, we're going to continue the conversation with over 1300 men about health and wellness

00:44:22.680 and all other things, masculinity.

00:44:25.060 Last thing, if you want to learn more about how you can help the show and become more involved

00:44:28.500 with the order, head to Patreon, P-A-T-R-E-O-N, patreon.com slash order of man.

00:44:34.980 I've got some incredible incentives.

00:44:36.680 Again, the wall of patrons, monthly Google hangouts, t-shirts, an opportunity to be interviewed

00:44:41.100 on the show.

00:44:42.140 And of course, the discount to the retreat that we're going to be announcing next week.

00:44:47.380 Now, next week, I also have a conversation with a man who has been extremely successful

00:44:51.380 in his life.

00:44:51.860 He does not pull any punches when it comes to telling men how the world really works.

00:44:56.760 This is a man most people either absolutely hate or absolutely love.

00:45:00.960 But I promise if you tune in, you will begin to think differently about some of the things

00:45:05.380 in your life.

00:45:06.140 Guys, I look forward to talking to you next week.

00:45:08.420 But until then, take action and become the man you were meant to be.

00:45:12.320 Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast.

00:45:15.300 You're ready to take charge of your life and be more of a man you were meant to be.

00:45:18.980 We invite you to join the order at order of man.com.

Order of Man - December 15, 2015

OoM 039： Living a Healthy Life with Shawn Stevenson

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