Order of Man - OoM 066： Overcoming Alcohol Addiction with James Swanwick

00:00:00.000 Strength, energy, drive, motivation, relationships, health, these are all things we as men want in more and deeper quantities.

00:00:06.920 It's difficult enough to improve in each of these areas, but adding alcohol addiction to the equation certainly doesn't help.

00:00:12.700 My guest today, James Swanick, talks with us about breaking habits, changing your environment, choosing the people you surround yourself with, and how to kick alcohol for good.

00:00:21.080 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:26.840 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:31.600 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.

00:00:36.620 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.

00:00:40.800 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:46.900 Men, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler, and I am your host and founder of Order of Man.

00:00:50.940 I'm glad you're back with us here today, and if you're new to the show, of course, welcome as well.

00:00:54.600 I hope that all of you fathers listening to this show had a great weekend.

00:00:57.560 You are more valuable than you know, and my hope is that we can help you become better fathers, and frankly, better men, here on this show.

00:01:04.580 Now, if you don't already know, this show is about all things manly, from health and building wealth to relationships and being a better protector and a leader.

00:01:11.640 In other words, this is the place that you go to learn about all things manly and become the man you were meant to be.

00:01:17.040 This show is a great one, especially for those of you who are looking to kick your alcohol habit, or really any habit.

00:01:21.540 But before I get into that show, I do want to let you know that you can get all the links, the resources, the quotes, and everything else you need for this show at orderofman.com slash 066.

00:01:30.380 And also, be sure you join our closed men's Facebook group for a deeper conversation we're having about this and so much more over at facebook.com slash groups slash orderofman.

00:01:39.460 Now, with all that said, let me introduce you to our guest today, James Swanick.

00:01:43.080 James is a New York-based ESPN anchor on SportsCenter, the author of Insider Journalism Secrets, and co-founder of an international agency, Croc Media.

00:01:50.580 He's been a print or TV journalist for over 20 years, writing for newspapers and magazines in the U.S., the U.K., and Australia, including Associated Press, Sky Sports, ESPN, Sydney Daily Telegraph, The Sun, Sky Movie Channel, Loaded Magazine, and many more.

00:02:05.740 He now teaches aspiring journalists and graduates how to get a job in the fast-paced journalism industry through his course, How to Become a Journalist.

00:02:11.800 But today, he's here to talk about a specific challenge he's learned to overcome in his own life, the ability to quit drinking alcohol, and how you can join him on that journey.

00:02:23.080 James, what's going on, man? Thanks for being on the show today.

00:02:25.120 Ryan, great to be here. Thank you.

00:02:26.480 This is going to be a good conversation because I know that this is on a lot of men's minds, not necessarily something I've dealt with personally, fortunately, but I know alcohol and maybe even addiction is something that we definitely need to address as men.

00:02:40.600 So tell me a little bit about your backstory and how you got to where you are today, if you can, really quickly.

00:02:46.380 Sure. Well, I'm Australian-American. I've been living in this beautiful country of America since about 2000 and – when was it? 2002, I think, yeah.

00:02:54.900 I grew up in Brisbane, Australia, came over to the States, interviewed movie stars like Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, Angelina Jolie when I was a celebrity journalist.

00:03:06.580 Owned a PR company in 2008, but then lost it in the financial crisis.

00:03:11.100 So I've had some success in business and then had some disasters happen to me as well.

00:03:17.720 I hosted SportsCenter on ESPN for a couple of years, which realized a lifelong dream to host a TV show, which was really cool.

00:03:26.320 And I quit drinking in 2010.

00:03:29.060 I was a social drinker.

00:03:31.280 I wasn't an alcoholic, certainly, but I drank a few times during the week.

00:03:36.240 And then on weekends, I'd turn it on a little bit more and drink heavily and binge drink and, you know, it just added up a little bit.

00:03:43.100 I put on about 25 pounds without really even noticing and I was tired and lethargic all the time.

00:03:48.640 And so in 2010, I said, you know what?

00:03:50.380 I'm just going to take a 30-day break from alcohol and see how I feel.

00:03:53.720 And when I did that, I lost 13 pounds in 30 days and then my relationships got better.

00:04:00.580 I got more clarity and focus.

00:04:03.180 All of a sudden, I made more money and now I'm the creator of the 30-day no alcohol challenge, which teaches people how to quit for 30 days and, you know, kickstart their life with more clarity and focus.

00:04:15.880 Yeah.

00:04:16.080 No, that makes a ton of sense and I think it's so valuable.

00:04:18.260 I don't necessarily think that having a drink now and again is a bad thing, just like you said.

00:04:21.760 But I do think that we sometimes have a tendency not only to let alcohol but other addictions, whether it's pornography or drug use, to consume our lives and keep us from accomplishing all that we were meant to accomplish.

00:04:36.200 So how did some of the things that you learned through this 30-day challenge apply to other areas of your life?

00:04:40.980 Because you said your relationships leveled up.

00:04:43.040 You said you started to make more money and that is – is that a direct correlation of the challenge or something else?

00:04:47.480 Yeah, absolutely.

00:04:48.040 What happened was is that I quit alcohol for 30 days and then I kept going.

00:04:52.480 So I just – I haven't drunk since 2010.

00:04:55.300 But what happened after those 30 days, after I'd lost the weight, I started focusing on health a lot more and because I was healthier, I was happier.

00:05:05.020 And because I was happier, I was attracting happier people into my life.

00:05:08.860 And because all of a sudden, I became more health conscious, I was attracting more health conscious people into my life.

00:05:14.960 So my relationships improved.

00:05:16.780 It wasn't that I was hanging out with a low caliber of person when I was drinking.

00:05:23.260 It's just that when I quit drinking, I started hanging out with a higher caliber of person.

00:05:28.940 You know, all of a sudden, romantic relationships became like 10 times better.

00:05:33.540 I was with more evolved women, women who are into yoga and fitness and health and spirituality and fun.

00:05:38.820 And because I was healthier and I'd lost weight, I had more energy and clarity and focus because I was sleeping better.

00:05:46.880 And because I was sleeping better and had more clarity, I was able to focus on, right, what am I going to kick ass in in my business?

00:05:53.420 What business am I going to do?

00:05:54.820 And then from there, you know, I created a podcast in iTunes called The James Swanick Show, which has been going now for two years.

00:06:01.580 I created an Amazon business where I sell physical products.

00:06:05.700 Everything was a byproduct of quitting the alcohol and getting that clarity and focus.

00:06:11.420 Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.

00:06:12.440 And I always talk about the way we do one thing is the way we do everything.

00:06:15.340 I went on a fitness journey about three years ago.

00:06:17.820 And as I started to get back into shape, everything that I started doing translated perfectly, just like you said, into the relationships I had, into my business.

00:06:26.820 And since then, I've started Order Man Podcast.

00:06:29.180 So it sounds like very similar paths.

00:06:33.040 And the thing that I like what you said is you talk about eliminating certain things from your life.

00:06:37.600 I think a lot of us tend to think, OK, we are the average of the five people we spend the time with.

00:06:41.280 We hear all that all the time.

00:06:42.560 And we think we've got to incorporate meditation and yoga and new friends into our life.

00:06:48.380 And we forget about eliminating some of those other things.

00:06:51.320 So did you just stop cold turkey on that 30-day challenge or did you ease into this?

00:06:55.020 How did you do this?

00:06:55.900 I just stopped cold turkey.

00:06:57.060 I mean, I was in Austin, Texas.

00:06:58.820 I was at the South by Southwest Festival.

00:07:01.460 I had a couple of gin and tonics the night before.

00:07:03.940 Nothing too crazy.

00:07:04.940 But I woke up the next morning with this terrible hangover.

00:07:08.320 And I think I was dehydrated from the flight from LA to Austin the day before.

00:07:12.160 And the two drinks kind of just really gave me a bad hangover.

00:07:15.060 And I was sitting in this IHOP, this International House of Pancakes, for a hangover breakfast.

00:07:20.760 And I was looking around and I saw these really big fat people eating all-you-can-eat pancakes with maple syrup.

00:07:26.540 And I was like, oh, this is just disgusting. 0.80

00:07:30.720 I feel like death.

00:07:32.020 I need to take a break from alcohol.

00:07:34.020 I'm just going to see if I can go 30 days.

00:07:36.640 And so that was it.

00:07:37.580 That was really it.

00:07:38.220 I just planned on going for 30 days just to test, to see what happened.

00:07:42.700 And because I got to day 30 and I felt amazing, I just said, oh, I wonder if I can do 40 days.

00:07:47.800 So then I got to 40 days and I felt even better.

00:07:50.060 And I went, hmm, I wonder if I can get to three months.

00:07:53.300 And then I got to three months.

00:07:54.640 And that's when I realized, like, wow, my relationships are better.

00:07:58.080 I'm happier.

00:07:59.500 Now I'm going to the gym for the first time.

00:08:01.880 I'm now going on Saturday and Sunday morning hikes.

00:08:04.520 It's, oh, my God, I'm saving so much money.

00:08:07.680 Like, whereas before I'd be going out and spending money on alcohol or even if I wasn't getting drunk, even if I was just going to have a couple of drinks with a friend on a Tuesday or Wednesday night, you can still rack up 40, 50 bucks easy.

00:08:20.420 You know, you buy a couple rounds, order a food or a pizza or something.

00:08:24.000 Maybe you're getting a taxi home because, you know, that money really adds up.

00:08:28.880 And then at 90 days, I'm like, you know what, I'm just going to see how long I can go.

00:08:33.220 And I got to 12 months.

00:08:34.620 I was back in Austin, back at the next South by Southwest Festival.

00:08:37.980 And I went into the Luster Pearl Bar, which was in Austin.

00:08:41.440 And I went and ordered a Budweiser to go and celebrate one year without drinking.

00:08:45.900 And I went to put it to my lips.

00:08:47.340 And I was like, hmm, you know what, I'm just going to keep going.

00:08:51.180 I'll just see how long I can go.

00:08:53.340 So I gave the beer back to the barman, said, give me a water with ice and a piece of lime.

00:08:57.500 And I just haven't drunk since.

00:09:00.180 So for me, I just went cold turkey.

00:09:02.840 With my 30-day no alcohol challenge, I tell people, listen, you don't have to quit forever.

00:09:08.380 Just quit for 30 days and get a glimpse of what it's like without alcohol.

00:09:14.160 And then on day 31, go back to drinking if you want, but just do it at a far reduced level.

00:09:19.880 And certainly all the people who've done my 30-day no alcohol challenge,

00:09:23.120 what happens is most of them go back to drinking, but they do it at a far reduced level.

00:09:29.720 Alcohol is no longer a habit.

00:09:31.820 It's now something that they have on occasion.

00:09:34.840 Right.

00:09:35.400 Because it seems like it would be easy to let alcohol control you.

00:09:38.480 And it sounds like after this challenge, it's easier to control your drinking.

00:09:43.480 So more like you're in charge, correct?

00:09:45.120 Absolutely.

00:09:45.840 Yeah.

00:09:46.040 Because you think about it.

00:09:47.040 Drinking alcohol is just a habit.

00:09:48.420 It's ingrained into our society and into our mentality from an early age.

00:09:53.280 It's like, hey, you turn 18, let's get drunk.

00:09:55.380 Hey, your 21st birthday party, let's get drunk.

00:09:58.060 Hey, we're going to a wedding.

00:09:59.260 Well, we have to have champagne, right?

00:10:01.300 Hey, I'm going out for a romantic dinner with a pretty girl. 0.95

00:10:03.920 Oh, we better order wine.

00:10:05.740 Hey, we're celebrating something.

00:10:07.340 Let's order champagne.

00:10:08.780 Hey, it's Sunday afternoon.

00:10:09.840 Let's watch the NFL.

00:10:10.820 Let's go to the pub or the bar and drink beer all afternoon.

00:10:14.300 Well, who says you have to do any of those activities with alcohol?

00:10:19.100 Because guess what?

00:10:19.900 For the last six years, I've been doing all those activities while drinking soda water

00:10:24.100 with a bit of lime or water or whatever.

00:10:27.080 And I've been having a far better time, a far more enjoyable time than when I was drinking.

00:10:32.600 So it's really just understanding habits, Ryan.

00:10:35.800 It's just understanding the habit of a nightly drink or two or the habit of socializing with

00:10:41.700 alcohol, realizing that it's actually costing you a lot of money.

00:10:45.260 It's putting a little bit of weight on you.

00:10:47.740 It's making you sleep poorly.

00:10:50.260 It's making you wake up tired and lethargic.

00:10:52.340 Is it really serving you?

00:10:54.900 So let's talk about this then for a second.

00:10:56.640 Let's talk about habits because, yes, we're talking about it in the context of alcohol,

00:11:01.780 but this could be anything.

00:11:03.180 It could be our negative habits.

00:11:04.420 It could also be positive habits.

00:11:05.900 How do we develop these habits and be a little bit more deliberate about what it is we're doing

00:11:10.500 and how we're spending our time on a daily basis?

00:11:12.360 Yeah, well, there's a great book called The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg, New York.

00:11:17.780 Yes, I've read that book.

00:11:18.860 And it's a terrific book.

00:11:19.860 And I review that book within the 30-day no alcohol challenge.

00:11:25.480 Habits, our whole life are habits, right?

00:11:28.460 The way we brush our teeth, the way we use the bathroom in the morning, what side of the

00:11:32.500 bed we sleep on, what we do in the first 10 minutes of the day.

00:11:36.460 How we approach a pretty girl if we're wanting to approach a girl, what we order, what food 0.72

00:11:43.840 we eat, all of these things are habits.

00:11:46.360 So if you identify, finally, which habit isn't serving you, and in this example, it's drinking

00:11:53.160 as a habit.

00:11:54.480 If you can identify that first and foremost, you're halfway there because a lot of people

00:11:58.560 don't realize, well, just a drink or two at nighttime is nothing much, right?

00:12:02.620 That's no big deal.

00:12:03.560 So what I teach people in terms of the habits of drinking is instead of keeping alcohol within

00:12:11.920 eyesight in your kitchen, a lot of people have got like a bar or leave wine on the kitchen

00:12:16.580 bench, develop the habit of just removing the wine or the alcohol from your site.

00:12:23.260 And that can simply mean putting the bottle of wine that you keep on the kitchen bench in

00:12:27.920 your garage or putting it in a drawer away that you cannot see it.

00:12:33.600 Or if you keep beer in the fridge, keep the beer at the back of the fridge and put all

00:12:38.240 your food in front of it so you don't see it.

00:12:40.360 Or put the wine on the top shelf of your fridge at the very back.

00:12:47.120 So when you're looking in the fridge, you don't see it.

00:12:49.680 You have to really like bend down to see it.

00:12:52.580 This is a habit, right?

00:12:53.760 This is just a habit.

00:12:55.540 For example, I had a coffee addiction for a little while and I'll tell you how I finally

00:13:01.280 broke my coffee addiction. 0.99

00:13:02.480 All I did was remove the damn coffee maker from my kitchen. 0.99

00:13:06.160 It was just sitting there. 0.99

00:13:07.780 Every time I'd wake up in the morning, I'd go into the kitchen, I'd see the coffee maker.

00:13:11.140 The moment I put it away and put it in a drawer and I didn't see it in the morning was the

00:13:17.280 day that I actually broke the habit of drinking.

00:13:19.760 I didn't see it, therefore I didn't use it.

00:13:21.680 So little habits like that, Ryan, just removing it out of eyesight, you start to break the cycle.

00:13:31.280 One more tip.

00:13:32.080 Whenever I walked into a bar now, and this is what I teach people in my 30-day no alcohol

00:13:37.320 challenge program, is whenever you walk into a bar or a restaurant, the first thing you

00:13:41.400 should do is create the habit of walking straight up to the barman and say, hi, may I please

00:13:45.940 have a glass of water with ice and a piece of lime, please?

00:13:49.420 And just create that habit.

00:13:50.660 The minute you walk into a bar, just go straight to the bar and order water, ice, and a piece

00:13:55.620 of lime.

00:13:56.180 That way, you're just creating this habit of drinking water and not having to buy alcohol.

00:14:03.260 And it's amazing.

00:14:04.380 When people do that, they enjoy themselves, they're clear-headed, and they're not spending

00:14:09.080 money, and they tend to have more fun than people who are drinking.

00:14:12.940 Right.

00:14:13.400 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:14:14.000 I just had an interview with Joe DeSena, the founder of Spartan Races, and we actually

00:14:17.220 talked a lot about this.

00:14:18.280 He said, it's just a matter of, we hear a lot about discipline, but when in all reality,

00:14:22.060 what it is, is just making it easier to do the right things and making it harder to do

00:14:26.960 the things that you're trying to eliminate from your life.

00:14:28.840 So I'm totally on board with what you're saying.

00:14:31.340 And in that book, too, The Power of Habit, he talks about a trigger, right?

00:14:35.180 So identifying what it is that's triggering this response for you.

00:14:39.260 So it could be a wedding or a party or a game, whatever it may be.

00:14:42.680 And then the cue, right, I think is the cue, which is what you actually are doing, in this

00:14:46.580 case, drinking.

00:14:47.640 And then the reward.

00:14:49.040 So did you change your reward when you went from alcohol to now I'm drinking water?

00:14:53.500 So how do you reward yourself instead of getting the buzz maybe that the alcohol was providing?

00:14:58.020 The reward for me is good health.

00:15:00.480 The reward for me is a great night's sleep.

00:15:02.520 The reward for me is clear skin. 0.79

00:15:05.160 The reward for me is a lean body.

00:15:09.760 The reward for me is feeling happy.

00:15:12.780 The reward for me is having great, deep relationships with people.

00:15:17.520 The reward for me is just living a really health-conscious, fun, energetic life.

00:15:23.700 So it's not – I don't go into a bar going, oh, I must have alcohol.

00:15:27.380 I go into a bar now going, I must drink soda water or water.

00:15:30.460 And I love that. 0.59

00:15:31.500 It tastes damn good.

00:15:33.560 And so every time I'm drinking an ice-cold glass of water at a bar or a restaurant, I'm 0.64

00:15:40.540 like, yes, this is the reward.

00:15:43.020 I am putting the reward in my body.

00:15:45.560 Because too many of us associate drinking alcohol with a good time and with the reward.

00:15:51.220 And so all I did was just flip it and say, the reward is healthy living.

00:15:56.080 This water is putting health into my body.

00:15:59.320 This healthy living is making me happier and feel amazing.

00:16:03.360 So for me, it's just a simple mindset shift.

00:16:07.000 Instead of associating drinking alcohol with fun and pleasure, I now just associate eating

00:16:11.980 well, drinking well, exercising well with pleasure.

00:16:15.380 And sometimes the reward is just watching people get drunk because that can be pretty entertaining

00:16:18.860 in itself, right?

00:16:19.640 I know I haven't had alcohol for, I want to say, 15, 14, 15 years now.

00:16:28.600 Really?

00:16:28.920 You haven't drunk in all that time?

00:16:30.840 And in all that time, I have not.

00:16:32.260 So it just seems so foreign at this point to even think back about what life was all about

00:16:36.400 when I was partying and in college, out with a buddy.

00:16:39.020 So this is a good conversation for me to have, for sure.

00:16:41.400 So how did you go cold turkey, Ryan, or how did you stop?

00:16:44.960 I went cold turkey and I attribute it to my wife, who I had met, and we started dating.

00:16:50.860 And it was just the kind of person I wanted to be.

00:16:53.720 And I want to be very cautious because I don't think drinking alcohol makes somebody a bad

00:16:57.140 person.

00:16:57.620 It's not that.

00:16:58.140 It's just that I wanted a lot of the clarity and the purpose and vision and the drive and

00:17:02.960 all of the things that I wanted to be.

00:17:05.440 And I thought alcohol did not fit into that plan for me.

00:17:07.980 So that's why I stopped.

00:17:08.900 Yeah, it's funny, you know, be the type of person you want to attract as well.

00:17:14.500 It's funny, when you're drinking alcohol, getting drunk, you tend to be hanging out

00:17:18.240 with people who drink a lot of alcohol and get drunk and have hangovers.

00:17:21.980 And listen, if that's okay, if that's all right by you and it's not affecting your health,

00:17:26.360 then sure, just keep doing it.

00:17:28.420 But if you want to have more energy, you want to sleep better, you want to look as nature

00:17:34.300 intended you to look, you want to be happy.

00:17:38.500 Because alcohol is a depressant, and you want to save a lot more money, and you want to kick 0.91

00:17:42.740 ass, then I would seriously just consider reducing or quitting alcohol. 0.82

00:17:48.060 And you'll find that your relationships just improve out of sight.

00:17:51.520 I mean, I'm still single now.

00:17:53.480 I'm 40 and single.

00:17:54.460 But since I quit drinking, the romantic relationships I've had have just improved dramatically.

00:17:59.600 Just a really wonderful caliber of woman has come into my life. 1.00

00:18:05.560 And then the type of people that I hang out with now, it's not trivial conversations.

00:18:10.380 They're conversations that I have about self-development and about growing a business and

00:18:14.980 about relationships and really cool, interesting things.

00:18:18.320 And it sounds like your now wife, Ryan, really helped you, you know, push you along and helped

00:18:24.000 you grow.

00:18:24.460 Oh, definitely.

00:18:26.200 Yeah.

00:18:26.600 And we talk all about masculinity and manliness and how to be a man.

00:18:30.480 But at the end of the day, if I didn't have a good woman, and I think a lot of guys can

00:18:33.360 attribute their success as a man to this as well as having a good woman on your side really

00:18:37.840 goes a long way in making sure you live to your full potential as well.

00:18:40.800 Yeah.

00:18:41.040 I mean, absolutely.

00:18:42.560 People are always like, oh, I've got to go out and drink in order to be confident and

00:18:46.480 meet a woman.

00:18:47.260 I'm talking about single guys here.

00:18:48.960 Let me tell you something.

00:18:49.740 When women realize that I didn't drink or I quit drinking, I could just see it in their 1.00

00:18:54.940 eyes that they were so much more attracted to me or that was an attractive quality.

00:19:00.680 And then they would tell me afterwards, it's like, wow, I was really impressed that you

00:19:04.020 chosen not to drink.

00:19:06.220 So I was like, beautiful.

00:19:07.280 I can go out, have a good time, not drink, not spend money.

00:19:10.020 And women find me twice as attractive. 0.99

00:19:12.740 What a win, huh?

00:19:13.880 Sure.

00:19:14.320 Yeah.

00:19:14.660 And so what was their reasoning?

00:19:16.260 Why did they find that attractive in your mind?

00:19:18.080 Self-discipline, it just shows like, it also shows confidence.

00:19:21.680 Like, I don't care.

00:19:22.620 Like, I don't need to drink to fit in.

00:19:24.700 I'm so confident that I can go out in a social setting and be the life of the party and engage

00:19:30.240 people and introduce people and be introduced and have good conversation.

00:19:34.080 And I don't need anything to do it.

00:19:36.200 I don't need a stimulant.

00:19:37.440 I don't need alcohol.

00:19:39.140 That's very attractive.

00:19:40.520 Women are attracted to confidence, right? 1.00

00:19:42.080 So that's very confident.

00:19:43.380 And then just the self-discipline, you know, the willpower.

00:19:46.100 And for me, it wasn't even willpower because I just got so used to it.

00:19:49.840 Right.

00:19:50.060 But, you know, a man who's in control, a man who knows what he wants, a man who knows what

00:19:56.040 he doesn't want, a man who doesn't have to adhere to societal pressure to drink, women 1.00

00:20:02.240 find that very attractive.

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00:21:07.580 Now let's get back to my interview with James Swanick.

00:21:11.860 That makes sense.

00:21:12.980 What were some of the challenges that you faced?

00:21:14.860 Because I know this probably wasn't all easy, and I can imagine social triggers and cues

00:21:20.360 were probably the most difficult.

00:21:21.680 But were there some other challenges in addition to that that made it difficult for you to stick

00:21:26.140 to your 30-day no-alcohol challenge?

00:21:28.940 Well, some people in the first few weeks, some friends of mine were like, go on, just

00:21:32.380 have one.

00:21:33.140 Go on, just have one drink.

00:21:36.680 And to be honest with you, it was a little bit hard.

00:21:40.740 But I said to them, listen, this is what I want to do.

00:21:43.000 I want to go 30 days without drinking. 1.00

00:21:44.760 One of my friends was completely idiotic, and he tried to slip vodka in my drink. 1.00

00:21:49.820 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:21:50.460 He's like, hey, you want a drink?

00:21:51.480 You want a soda water, right, James?

00:21:52.760 And I go, yeah, yeah, soda water.

00:21:54.060 So he goes off to the bar, comes back, and says, here's your drink.

00:21:56.440 And I went to put it up to my mouth, and right at the last minute, I kind of suspected.

00:22:01.840 And I was like, did you put vodka in this?

00:22:04.200 And my friend's like, yeah, I did. 1.00

00:22:06.680 And I'm like, mate, you're a wanker. 0.99

00:22:08.720 That's an Australian phrase. 1.00

00:22:10.560 Yeah, no, I've heard that.

00:22:11.960 And so, you know, so you have friends who don't really get it, or they don't want, or

00:22:17.560 they don't, you know, they want to kind of trick you.

00:22:20.440 So that's a challenge.

00:22:21.740 But now they don't care.

00:22:22.680 No one, everyone else is kind of like just admires me for it, really.

00:22:26.340 Another challenge is when you're stressed out, like you have a long day at work, and you

00:22:30.700 associate having a drink with being able to calm you down or calm your nerves to de-stress

00:22:35.720 you, but what I realized is that I didn't actually want alcohol to relieve my stress.

00:22:42.360 I just wanted to relieve my stress.

00:22:44.880 Right, and you thought that was the medium of doing it.

00:22:47.020 Correct.

00:22:47.500 And so what I did was instead of drinking alcohol, I would go for a run, or I'd go for

00:22:53.100 a walk, or I'd drink a really tall glass of ice-cold water, or I would do a little five

00:23:00.240 or ten minutes of meditation, or I would just do anything else to relieve my stress that

00:23:08.300 wasn't the alcohol.

00:23:09.420 But too many of us, it's so easy to just go, oh, I just need a drink to relieve my stress.

00:23:13.320 No, you don't need the drink.

00:23:14.560 You just need to relieve your stress some other way.

00:23:17.140 Right, and it's easy and convenient, too.

00:23:19.140 It's easy and convenient.

00:23:20.100 But just think about it for a second, Ryan.

00:23:23.160 To relieve your stress, what you're actually doing when you drink is reaching for poison.

00:23:28.020 It's reaching for a poison.

00:23:31.280 And the National Institute of Health has shown that the toxins from alcohol stay in your

00:23:35.700 body for seven to ten days after you have that drink.

00:23:38.640 So even if you have a drink and then you don't drink for a week, chances are there are still

00:23:42.460 toxins circulating in your body.

00:23:44.820 That's a long time to have poison and toxins circulating in your body.

00:23:48.540 Definitely.

00:23:48.900 So anything other than drinking, a run, a meditation, reading a book, calling a friend,

00:23:54.920 going and doing something, some other activity will relieve your stress.

00:24:00.820 You don't need the alcohol to do it.

00:24:02.960 So I want to go back to something that you said, which was that your buddies gave you a

00:24:07.020 hard time and that was a little tricky at first, which I think this is really important to hit

00:24:10.720 on because not only does this apply to you trying to overcome drinking alcohol, but starting

00:24:15.960 a new business, getting in shape, finding a woman, settling down with a woman.

00:24:20.700 All of these things in life that we as men deal with, we're going to have some resistance

00:24:26.800 to that.

00:24:28.040 And I want to know and get your thoughts on how to shield yourself against that resistance

00:24:33.420 when you know what it is you're doing is the right thing to do, but maybe guys aren't

00:24:36.440 on board with that.

00:24:37.660 What are some tips that you have for dealing with that sort of thing?

00:24:41.060 So is your question like, how do you deal with your friends or people who are like challenging

00:24:44.940 you to not drink or challenging you on what it is?

00:24:48.580 Right.

00:24:48.960 Exactly.

00:24:49.320 Yes.

00:24:50.140 So one way of handling that is just get a new group of friends.

00:24:54.800 You know, like I'm not saying that people you've got to cut friends, but I'm saying

00:24:59.240 move towards a group of peers who support you in your endeavors.

00:25:04.300 So while my friends who do drink and who've kept drinking, they're still friends of mine.

00:25:09.100 Like I was just at the Elton John party the other night after the Oscars and I ran into

00:25:14.140 a friend of mine who used to be my next door neighbor and we used to go out drinking all

00:25:18.000 the time and there he was again drinking excessively and kind of getting drunk and this is 10 years

00:25:23.000 later, right?

00:25:24.580 He'll always be my friend, right?

00:25:26.840 We'll always be friendly, but I don't spend that much time with him now.

00:25:30.280 It's more like I run into him on occasion.

00:25:32.080 I've now gone into another group of friends who, and most of my friends don't drink or

00:25:37.160 they drink very little.

00:25:38.640 Most of my friends are now moving in the same direction as I am, which is wanting a relationship

00:25:43.860 or they're in a great relationship.

00:25:45.320 Most of my friends are very health conscious now, uh, who, and the conversation when we

00:25:50.720 go out to dinner and we sit down, like, um, for example, I went out on Melrose Avenue a

00:25:55.220 few weeks ago and I were like 10 or 11 guys, guy friends, just a guy's dinner on a Sunday

00:25:59.700 night.

00:26:00.900 Nobody ordered alcohol, not one.

00:26:03.400 And the people who were sitting there was, uh, my friend, Greg, Greg O'Gallagher, who runs

00:26:07.100 a, um, a fitness product called Kino Body.

00:26:09.760 I had Ben Avanzato, who's a big Hollywood personal trainer.

00:26:12.320 Um, I had a guy who's, um, an assistant for Dan, um, is it Dan Balzerian?

00:26:18.060 I think that's his last name.

00:26:19.520 Um, and, uh, nobody ordered alcohol and all the conversation was around workouts and health

00:26:26.700 and fitness.

00:26:27.740 And I was talking about how I wanted to, you know, I was moving in the direction of getting

00:26:31.540 married and having kids and other guys were talking about their relationships.

00:26:35.060 Uh, we were, we were talking about books.

00:26:37.040 We can suggest like, Hey, you should read this book.

00:26:39.060 It's really good.

00:26:39.760 Hey, James, you should interview this person on your podcast.

00:26:42.100 Because that person will be able to, to teach your listeners about relationships and being

00:26:46.640 a man and being a gentleman and showing up.

00:26:49.000 So to answer your question, um, start to move in those circles.

00:26:54.980 You don't have to cut friends, but you can also cut friends as well.

00:26:58.720 It's kind of like spring training in baseball, right?

00:27:00.740 Like when spring training rolls around, you cut out the dead wood, you cut out people who

00:27:05.040 are no longer serving you and you bring in fresh blood.

00:27:07.900 Um, another way of handling it is just tell your friends, listen, this is what I'm doing.

00:27:12.020 This is what, this is the direction I'm, I'm moving in.

00:27:14.460 It would really, I'd really appreciate your, your support.

00:27:17.180 And if they still don't support you, it's pretty easy to cut them, right?

00:27:21.180 Yeah, definitely.

00:27:21.960 Definitely.

00:27:22.480 No, that makes a lot of sense.

00:27:23.480 I mean, one of the things that we talk about, we have a, a mastermind group that we actually

00:27:26.940 have and hold within order of men.

00:27:28.860 It's called iron council.

00:27:29.680 And we actually assign what we call battle brothers.

00:27:31.700 And a battle brother is somebody who has your back, who's going to be able to help you accomplish

00:27:35.760 your goals and stick to what it is you say you're going to do.

00:27:37.940 So I think finding a battle brother or an accountability partner, or just a close friend

00:27:41.900 in real life is so, so valuable to help you stick to these type of things.

00:27:47.460 And the other thing I want to say is that, you know, when you say find a new group of

00:27:50.780 friends, that's sometimes that's easier said than done.

00:27:53.120 So how do you recommend going about being deliberate about who it is you're spending time with?

00:27:57.840 Well, I'll tell you what I, I'll tell you what I did just last week.

00:28:00.320 Um, I recently read a book called the power of now by Eckhart Tolle, and I loved that book.

00:28:06.660 It's amazing.

00:28:07.280 It's a New York times bestseller, a very famous book, and it's all about being present in the

00:28:11.000 now.

00:28:11.400 Okay.

00:28:11.560 It's stopped focusing or obsessing over the past and obsessing over the future.

00:28:15.980 Just live in the now.

00:28:17.480 And I live in Los Angeles and I, and I went to meetup.com meetup.com and I typed in power

00:28:23.680 of now Eckhart Tolle and nothing came up.

00:28:25.760 And I went, you know what?

00:28:26.620 I'm just going to bring people to me.

00:28:28.680 I'm going to start a meetup group and I'm going to bring other people who like that

00:28:33.020 book to me.

00:28:33.620 And so I started a meetup group called power of now Eckhart Tolle, uh, group.

00:28:38.940 We get together in West Hollywood.

00:28:40.520 We have meetings and we talk about, you know, the power of now and how, how we can incorporate

00:28:44.960 it into our lives.

00:28:46.140 I had my very first meetup last Thursday night at a, at a coffee bean on sunset boulevard.

00:28:51.840 Three people turned up, just three, three people.

00:28:54.280 So it was a group of four and guess what?

00:28:56.220 It was awesome.

00:28:57.040 For 90 minutes, we talked about the power of now, how we can deal with stress in our life.

00:29:02.460 I've made three new friends.

00:29:04.380 Okay.

00:29:04.560 I've made three new friends simply by having a meetup and bringing it to me.

00:29:07.880 And guess what?

00:29:08.400 They're on the same page.

00:29:09.500 They're into the same thing.

00:29:10.560 They're into self-development.

00:29:11.620 They're into finding ways to live in the now rather than obsessing over the past and in

00:29:16.400 the future.

00:29:16.860 So people say, you know, instead of having to go out there and find that group, bring

00:29:21.200 the group to you.

00:29:22.760 Just go to meetup.com, create your own group.

00:29:25.600 Another way of doing it is if you're into yoga and fitness and health, go and join a

00:29:29.500 yoga group.

00:29:30.880 Just, just join a group.

00:29:33.240 If you are into an entrepreneur, you want to be an entrepreneur, go into an entrepreneurial

00:29:38.220 group.

00:29:38.760 If you want to invest in real estate, there's real estate association meetups in every single

00:29:43.060 city across the country.

00:29:44.140 Whatever the group is that you want to get involved with, just do a Google search and

00:29:49.080 either go in and tap into that group or just create your own on meetup.com and bring the

00:29:55.040 type of person you want to associate with to you.

00:29:58.540 Right.

00:29:59.160 Yeah.

00:29:59.440 And I love you talk about just being assertive.

00:30:01.740 I think too many of us live life by what I refer to as default, which is we hang out with

00:30:07.500 the guys that are at our work.

00:30:10.060 We hang out with the guys that are in our neighborhood.

00:30:11.720 And we don't really spend any amount of time thinking about, is this somebody that I should

00:30:17.340 be associating with?

00:30:18.420 And what you said too, that really struck me is that you actually took the initiative

00:30:23.840 to put something together.

00:30:25.440 And I think sometimes if you're trying to make changes in your life, you're going to

00:30:29.660 have to be the one to do it.

00:30:31.620 You're going to look around and nobody from just that first view is going to be changing.

00:30:36.660 You're going to have to be the one to initiate it, to get it going, and then you'll start

00:30:40.740 to build and grow and do the things from there.

00:30:42.840 So well done on putting yourself out there anyway.

00:30:45.940 Yeah, thank you, Ryan.

00:30:46.640 I mean, you can sit at home on a Friday night and the phone does not ring and people do not 0.95

00:30:50.880 invite you somewhere and you can go, oh, my life sucks. 0.65

00:30:54.140 I'm not popular enough.

00:30:55.720 Or you can go, you know what?

00:30:57.480 I'm going to invite people to come over.

00:30:59.380 I'm just going to pick up the phone and say, hey, Mark, you want to come over?

00:31:01.880 Hey, John, hey, Peter, hey, Christy, hey, I'm going to have a little potluck party in

00:31:06.020 my apartment this Friday night.

00:31:07.600 Just six people.

00:31:08.500 Let's get them together and come on over.

00:31:10.140 Guess what happens?

00:31:11.020 As soon as you invite someone somewhere, they're more inclined to want to invite you somewhere

00:31:15.500 ongoing.

00:31:17.240 You know, so it's pretty simple.

00:31:18.800 Stop sitting there going, wow, these are my circumstances.

00:31:22.420 Start actually creating circumstances yourself.

00:31:26.100 Well, let's talk about where we should start.

00:31:27.760 So let's say somebody is listening to this and they think, you know what?

00:31:29.880 I'm willing to try.

00:31:30.520 I'm willing to give this 30 days.

00:31:32.220 What is the way that we start?

00:31:34.640 Where do we go?

00:31:35.560 What do we do?

00:31:36.320 What are some action steps that we need to implement right away?

00:31:38.660 Right.

00:31:38.860 So there's two ways.

00:31:39.600 If you're wanting to actually do my official 30-day no alcohol challenge program, you can

00:31:44.360 just go to 30daynoalcoholchallenge.com.

00:31:47.740 If you go into that program, essentially, I'm going to send you a video every day, day one,

00:31:52.500 day two, all the way through day 30.

00:31:54.140 And it's going to give you little tips on how you can get through those 30 days.

00:31:57.340 For example, day three, it might be, hi, it's James.

00:32:00.080 Welcome to day three.

00:32:01.100 Today, I'm going to teach you what to say to your friends when they're encouraging you

00:32:04.060 to drink and so forth and so forth.

00:32:06.240 You also go into a closed Facebook group where other challenges around the world are going

00:32:10.700 to support you and just give you that accountability.

00:32:13.220 A lot of this stuff is accountability.

00:32:15.120 In fact, Charles Duhigg in that book, The Power of Habit says, real change happens in groups

00:32:19.980 of people.

00:32:20.860 So you can go through there through the official 30-day no alcohol challenge.

00:32:24.180 If you want to do it by yourself and you think you can do it by yourself, that's cool as

00:32:28.060 well.

00:32:28.280 That's awesome.

00:32:29.420 I would suggest this.

00:32:30.760 Remove alcohol from your home, whether it's an apartment or a house.

00:32:34.040 Just get it out of the house. 0.99

00:32:35.300 Get it out of eyesight.

00:32:36.840 Just go through your cupboards, go through your kitchen, and just remove alcohol.

00:32:40.760 You don't want it at arm's length.

00:32:42.820 If you go into a shopping, into your grocery store, don't walk past the liquor stand.

00:32:49.760 Don't walk past the area where they're selling the wine.

00:32:52.440 Just don't do it.

00:32:53.600 If you take the same route home from work each day and you go past a store where you

00:32:57.920 ordinarily would buy alcohol, just go a different route home.

00:33:01.960 Don't look at it.

00:33:02.740 Don't look at the visual.

00:33:04.300 When you walk into a bar, the first thing you should do is just walk up to the bar and

00:33:08.340 order a drink, but make sure it's just a water, ice, and a piece of lime.

00:33:11.700 When anybody asks you, hey, you want a drink?

00:33:14.640 Can I grab you a drink?

00:33:15.620 Say, yes, please.

00:33:16.800 I'll take a water, ice, and a piece of lime.

00:33:18.500 Whenever a waiter says, oh, can I get you started with some drinks?

00:33:22.380 Say, yes, please.

00:33:23.220 I'll have a water, ice, and a piece of lime.

00:33:25.500 Tell your friends that you're going on a 30-day no alcohol challenge and just tell them, ask

00:33:29.560 them for their support, or don't tell them.

00:33:31.420 You don't have to tell them, or you can tell them.

00:33:33.500 Whatever you think works for you.

00:33:35.320 Don't sit at home like a hermit and go, oh, I can't have fun now because I'm not drinking.

00:33:40.700 Go out.

00:33:42.120 Push yourself to have the most fun without drinking.

00:33:45.840 Okay, people think it's like, oh, I'm doing the 30-day no alcohol challenge.

00:33:50.000 Now, I've got to be boring and dull for the next 30 days.

00:33:52.500 B.S.

00:33:53.340 Get out there and actually double your rate of going out and socializing.

00:33:57.560 See how easy it is to actually socialize without drinking.

00:34:01.820 You will surprise yourself.

00:34:04.380 And then the other thing is just remind yourself why you are doing this.

00:34:08.080 Like, why the hell are you doing this?

00:34:09.580 Well, here are some reasons that people who go through my official 30-day no alcohol challenge

00:34:13.540 say they want to lose weight, they want to improve their relationships with their kids

00:34:17.240 or their wife or their girlfriend or their friends.

00:34:20.080 They want to sleep better.

00:34:21.460 They want to have more energy in the morning.

00:34:23.020 They want to lose weight.

00:34:24.260 They finally want to take care of a business that they want to do.

00:34:27.440 They want to get a promotion at work.

00:34:29.380 They want to look better.

00:34:30.860 It's amazing how much better looking you get, Ryan, when you give up alcohol for 30 days.

00:34:35.380 Because all of a sudden, you lose those wrinkles around the eyes.

00:34:37.840 You lose those lines in the forehead because the poison has left your body.

00:34:42.760 All of a sudden, now your skin starts to glow and people go, wow.

00:34:46.320 So just remind yourself of whatever your why is.

00:34:49.140 Maybe it's you want to save money.

00:34:50.720 You don't want to spend as much money.

00:34:52.780 Remind yourself what you're going to do with the $500 during the month that you save from drinking.

00:34:57.380 What are you going to spend it on?

00:34:58.900 So just remind yourself of the whys. 1.00

00:35:00.600 Remove the alcohol.

00:35:01.620 Create new habits.

00:35:03.160 And you can do it yourself.

00:35:04.200 Or if you want to do it in a group of people supporting you, just go to 30daynoalcoholchallenge.com and I'll help you out.

00:35:11.940 Awesome.

00:35:12.080 Those are all really valuable tips.

00:35:14.140 This is, I think, one of the reasons, one of the things you said was that you think you can't have any more fun.

00:35:19.640 And I think this is one of the reasons that diets, fad diets, don't work as well because it's just this short-term fix.

00:35:25.960 And it's challenging the way that you typically think about things when in all reality, you can have food that's just as good but it's actually healthy for you.

00:35:33.240 It just takes a little bit of an intent and a little bit of effort on your part, especially up front.

00:35:37.720 I think if you front-end load the effort and commitment, it tends to get easier if you do it that way.

00:35:41.800 Right.

00:35:42.300 Well, look.

00:35:42.980 Look, 30 days without alcohol is just to give you a glimpse, right?

00:35:46.740 It just gives you a glimpse of what life is like without alcohol.

00:35:50.660 According to that book, it takes 66 days to really create a habit.

00:35:56.460 So if you really want to create this habit, go 66 days.

00:36:01.360 You know, just push yourself to go a little bit longer.

00:36:03.640 But listen, don't get freaked out and don't be all like panicky and going, well, what happens if I drink again on day 31 or day 32 or day 33?

00:36:11.780 If you want to go back and have the occasional drink, it's fine.

00:36:15.080 It's okay.

00:36:16.080 I'm not saying that alcohol is the devil and you should quit forever.

00:36:19.140 Just quit for 30 days so you really understand the difference, so you really understand how much energy you create, how much clarity, how much your sleep improves, how much better looking you get.

00:36:32.160 And then after that, enjoy the occasional drink.

00:36:35.160 Enjoy getting drunk on occasion if you want to.

00:36:38.180 But I'll tell you this.

00:36:39.540 Once you go 30 days without alcohol, man, it's very hard for you to go back to drinking at the same level that you did beforehand.

00:36:46.360 Because all of a sudden you realize just how much it slows you down.

00:36:50.280 Yeah, I bet that's the case.

00:36:52.020 Well, James, this has been a great conversation and a lot, a ton of information.

00:36:56.280 I've got to ask you a couple of questions as we wind down today.

00:36:58.560 The first one, I didn't prepare you for this, so I got to apologize and I'm going to give you a second to collect your thoughts on this one.

00:37:03.580 But I ask every single guest, including you, what does it mean to be a man?

00:37:08.580 Well, I always like to say to myself, do what you say you'll do.

00:37:14.460 Don't judge a man by what he says.

00:37:16.760 Judge a man by what he does. 0.83

00:37:18.800 So if I say I'm going to do something, I will move heaven and earth to move forward with that.

00:37:25.020 Too many men, I think, say I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, and then they don't do it.

00:37:29.360 And guess what?

00:37:29.860 You don't trust yourself and other people around you don't trust you.

00:37:32.820 Even if it's just a seemingly innocent thing like, hey, man, let's meet up on Thursday at 7.30 and we'll catch up.

00:37:39.000 Cool, man, let's do it.

00:37:39.780 And then on Thursday afternoon, you go, hey, man, sorry, I can't make it tonight.

00:37:42.860 Can we put it back to like Friday or Saturday?

00:37:45.280 Like even something like that, all of a sudden, you don't trust yourself and your friend doesn't trust you.

00:37:51.940 So what do I think it means to be a man?

00:37:53.660 I'll tell you.

00:37:54.520 Do what you say you're going to do.

00:37:55.860 And try to avoid saying that you're going to do something if you even think that you're not going to do it.

00:38:02.220 Always be a gentleman when it comes to women.

00:38:05.500 Throughout my 20s, I was certainly objectifying women. 0.99

00:38:08.380 So I was looking at women as a sport, someone that I could seduce and win over. 1.00

00:38:12.500 Now as I'm more mature, I'm now in my 40s.

00:38:16.480 Now I really much appreciate women a lot more. 1.00

00:38:20.820 It's no longer objectifying them.

00:38:22.400 It's no longer looking at them as a sport.

00:38:23.640 It's like, how can I be the best gentleman?

00:38:26.060 How can I show up for the women in my life?

00:38:29.360 So that's really the two main things.

00:38:31.640 Always be a man of your word.

00:38:33.040 Always do what you say you're going to do.

00:38:34.580 And always strive to be the best gentleman you can.

00:38:38.500 Awesome.

00:38:38.660 Great insight.

00:38:39.580 And tell us how we connect with you.

00:38:41.420 You already gave us the Alcohol Challenge site.

00:38:43.680 But give us that again in any other way that we can reach out and connect with you.

00:38:46.680 Yeah.

00:38:46.920 So you can go to jameszwannick.com.

00:38:49.280 I'll spell my last name.

00:38:50.600 It's a little bit tricky.

00:38:51.300 So it's J-A-M-E-S-S-W-A-N-W-I-C-K. 1.00

00:38:55.600 So it's actually spelled Swanwick, even though it's pronounced Swanick.

00:39:00.620 And you can get me there on Snapchat.

00:39:03.180 I do a lot of daily snaps now where I give little 10-second tips on life and health and

00:39:09.060 fitness and mindset.

00:39:10.340 My Snapchat handle is James Swanick.

00:39:12.320 And then Instagram, I've got a YouTube channel, James Swanick.

00:39:15.460 And if you want to get my notes on three of my most favorite books, which is Never Read

00:39:21.020 Alone by Keith Ferrazzi, Winning with People by John C. Maxwell, and Think and Grow Rich

00:39:27.000 by Napoleon Hill.

00:39:28.040 If you want to get my personal notes on those books, just go to jameszwannick.com and put

00:39:33.200 your email address in there and I'll send those notes to you.

00:39:36.940 Excellent.

00:39:37.500 Thanks for being willing to offer that.

00:39:39.140 James, I appreciate you and your time and some of the wisdom that you imparted with us

00:39:42.380 today.

00:39:42.620 Thanks for being on the show.

00:39:43.260 Thank you very much for having me.

00:39:46.480 There you have it, man.

00:39:47.340 Mr. James Swanick dropping some wisdom on what it takes to kick that alcohol habit or really

00:39:51.540 any negative habit from your life.

00:39:53.180 So make sure if you're interested to join his 30-day no alcohol challenge.

00:39:56.780 In the meantime, remember also our inaugural order of man uprising September 15th through

00:40:01.600 the 18th, 2016.

00:40:03.700 I expect this event to sell out, guys.

00:40:05.940 We're going to be taking three days in a cabin I leased out for us and we're going to really

00:40:09.480 give you all the tools and the resources to take your life to the next level.

00:40:13.740 So go to orderofman.com slash uprising for all the details.

00:40:16.800 Guys, I look forward to talking to you next week, but until then, take action and become

00:40:20.140 the man you were meant to be.

00:40:22.380 Thank you for listening to the Order of Man podcast.

00:40:25.340 You're ready to take charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be.

00:40:29.000 We invite you to join the order at orderofman.com.

Order of Man - June 21, 2016

OoM 066： Overcoming Alcohol Addiction with James Swanwick

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