OoM 080： The Responsibiliites and Fundamentals of Owning a Firearm with Neal Currey
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Former Army Ranger and the owner of Ready Gunner, Neil Curry, joins us to talk about firearms. We cover some of the myths surrounding the sale of firearms, the responsibilities gun owners carry, the fundamentals of shooting, open vs. concealed carry, and why men should learn how to shoot.
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Today we talk with former Army Ranger and the owner of Ready Gunner, Neil Curry, about firearms.
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We'll cover some of the myths surrounding the sale of firearms, the responsibilities gun owners
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carry, the fundamentals of shooting, open versus concealed carry, and why men should learn how to
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shoot. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart
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your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You are not
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easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are.
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This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call
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yourself a man. Men, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler and I am your host and the
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founder of Order of Man. As always, I'm glad you're here with us today. You know by now that this is
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the podcast for all things manly. We're having some incredible conversations, guys, with some of the
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world's best athletes, authors, warriors, fighters, psychologists, and just about anybody else who
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will help you and I become better men. Today, we're going to be talking about a subject near
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and dear to my heart, which is firearms. Now, I'm not going to get too much into it since I've got
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someone who is much more qualified than I am to talk about it with us, but before I get to him and
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introduce you to who that is, I do want to let you know that we've made show notes available for this
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show as always. So, you can find those at orderofman.com slash 080. I can't believe we're
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So, you can get the details at orderofman.com slash Iron Council. Now, I want to get to my guest
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today. He is Neil Curry. He's a former army ranger with the 2nd Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment and the
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owner of Ready Gunner. After two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan with his unit, Neil left the
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military and moved into the private sector and conducted an additional two tours in Iraq as a
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personal security specialist. Between that time, Neil worked for a company called SRATS, which is
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specialized reconnaissance assault transport systems in special projects. He helped the production of the
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SRATS, a vehicle designed for special operations units in Afghanistan. Since then, Neil has gone
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on to found Ready Gunner, where he offers firearms, ammunition, tactical gear, and training to help
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those who serve this country and other patriots to receive the training and equipment needed to
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achieve their goals and above all, stay safe. Neil, what's up, man? Thanks for joining me on the
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show today. Yeah, no worries. Thanks for having me. So, this is a conversation that we have not yet
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had and I know it's going to be controversial because everybody listening to this is either going to love
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what we have to say or they're going to despise everything that we have to say, which is probably
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your universe, right? It is my universe and, you know, people can, you know, not believe in what I
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believe in. That's their right, I guess, right? Yeah, and as beautiful as liberty and independence and
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all of the things that we fight for is, sometimes it's a little hard to deal with when people don't
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necessarily have the same viewpoints as we do, right? Yeah, yeah, and, you know, that's life. You move on.
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For sure. So, how did you get into firearms, Neil? So, I mean, I grew up kind of honey. I'd go honey when I was
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younger, 12, 13, 14 and then I joined the military when I was, you know, I was a little bit older. I
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was 24. Okay. And I was in basic training with guys who were, you know, 18, 19, 20. So, I was kind of
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the old man of the group. I joined specifically to try to get into the Rangers. So, they had this
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thing and I think they still have it today. It's called an Option 40 contract where they basically
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set you on the path to go to Ranger school. So, you go to basic training, your advanced individual
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training, then airborne school, then for Benning, Ranger indoctrination program, which I think is
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called RASP now. And then once you pass all that, you get assigned a Ranger unit and then that Ranger
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unit basically decides if they want to keep you or not, right? Right. Okay. But they set you down a
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path. They say, hey, we'll put you in line to go through all these courses. But if you fail anything
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on the way, guess what? You're ours to put you wherever we want to put you. Sure. Right. So,
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but yeah. So, what happened for you? So, I mean, I was motivated. I went through. I didn't fail any
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of the courses, luckily. You know, Ranger indoctrination is pretty hard. Everything else
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is pretty easy. Basic training is just kind of a mental game, just trying to get used to the Army
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life, the discipline, everything else and how everything functions. And they just try to reform
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you there. And then you go to airborne school, which isn't very tough at all either. It's just kind of
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going to work every day, jumping out of planes and that's it. Then the Ranger indoctrination
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program is, that's kind of designed to weed people out. So, they make it pretty tough. You
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know, sleep deprivation, you know, lack of food, being cold, wet, smoked all the time,
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trying to think under pressure. And that's a four-week thing. So, once you finish that,
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then they say, hey, congratulations. We kind of weeded out the ones that we don't think would
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make it through. And then you get assigned to the unit. And then from there, they just kind
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of, you know, you do the training with the Rangers. You do the missions with the Rangers. You get
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deployed. And then after a while, once they think you're ready, they'll send
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you have to Ranger school. And you go to Ranger school, which is another 60 days. It's kind
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of hell on earth. And then once you're back from that, then you're just kind of, you know,
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Yeah, it sounds pretty intense. So, is that, did you make it all the way to Ranger
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I did. So, I was in the, I got assigned to 2nd Battalion, which is up in Fort Lewis,
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Washington State. So, I went to Ranger school about a year after being in the unit. Did that,
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got my Ranger tab, went back and got assigned my own squad. And, you know, it was just
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there for the remainder of my enlistment. So, I was in from 2004 to about 2009. Went
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and I got picked up by SOCOM, Special Operations Command down in MacDill Air Force Base. And
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this is after I'm out of the military. So, I'm on the civilian side now doing some contracting
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work. Worked on some prototype vehicle projects for SOCOM, building these kind of what they
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thought was going to be the replacement to the Humvee. And we sent these off to Afghanistan
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with some special forces units. So, I worked on that project for about two years. And then
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I worked for Triple Canopy, which is a private security contract over in Baghdad. I did that
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for about another year and a half. So, you know, I'd been around guns a lot, a lot of training.
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You got comfortable with them. Everything I did, basically, you know, you had to use firearms,
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handguns, rifles, and got really comfortable with them, learned to love them, and figured I
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started a business out of it when I got home. Yeah. So, did you go straight from your, well,
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I guess you did the military career and then you were a civilian contractor, it sounds like.
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And then did you start your own business from there? You know, I started my own business. So,
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at this time, and maybe you can still do this. I heard it's, you can or you can, but I was a home,
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what they call a home-based FFL, Federal Firearms Licensee. Okay. So, I applied for my license when I
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was over in Baghdad. You got plenty of time when you're not running missions to work out or do,
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you know, a lot of guys do college. So, I did the paperwork to do an FFL, came home,
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and then I met with an ATF agent as part of the process. And he came and interviewed me at the
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house. You know, it was like a five-hour thing and basically just started a gun store out of my
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basement. Really? Okay. Yeah. And I've heard of that. And it sounds like it's pretty rigorous as
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you get inspected. I'm assuming there's some sort of, maybe it's not surprise inspections,
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but I'm sure there's inspections down the road as well too, right? I mean, they are surprise
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inspections. They don't say, hey, I'm going to come here on this date because then. Yeah. Then you
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can clean things up. Yeah, exactly. But they don't do that often. I mean, we just had our first audit
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about six months ago and I'd been in business five years. So, it's something they only do once
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every five years, but it is very detailed. So, he came through and he basically goes through
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everything we have, all our books, make sure we're doing all the background checks, everything's
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coming in and out with some kind of paper trail. And we're not selling guns to people who aren't
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passing background checks. So, that's kind of the whole point of it and all our inventories accounted
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for. I think there's a lot of misconception about the ability to apply for and purchase a
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firearm. And it's actually a little bit more rigorous than I think a lot of people, especially
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those who are anti-gun, actually think or have even seen in their own experience.
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There's a huge misconception on how things work. I mean, I just watch in the news, reading papers,
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watching people's social media posts. It's just funny how, what a lack of knowledge there is on
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the process of firearms. You know, there's the gun show loophole that everyone talks about.
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Now, like me as a licensed dealer, if I wanted to go to a gun show and basically conduct business
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off premise for my regular place of business, I've got to go, I got to set up shop, and I got to put
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my license up on my little booth, whatever it is I set up. And I still got to do my background checks
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just like everybody else. On my level, on a dealer level, we're highly regulated, like I'm talking about.
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I get audited by the ATF. They go through every single one of my 4473s, which is a form that
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background checks are done on. They go through all my A&D book, my acquisitions and dispositions
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book to make sure everything's logged in and locked out on some form of paperwork.
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And if not, then, you know, we kind of cease to exist.
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The only loophole there is, if you even want to call it a loophole, is consumer-to-consumer sales.
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Like you, if Ryan wanted to sell a gun to, you know, Billy Bob on the internet, you as a consumer,
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You can basically, and there's websites, you know, there's Gun Broker here in Utah. There's
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Utah Gun Exchange, which is a huge one. Most people in Utah sell their guns on Utah Gun
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Exchange. But you can post an advertisement or a classified ad on Utah Gun Exchange and
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say, hey, I got a Glock 17. I'm selling for $350. Some guy calls, he says, hey, Ryan, I
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want your gun. Meet me at a Walmart parking lot. You guys go, you give him a gun. He gives
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But you as a consumer, I mean, basically the only thing you need to get to protect yourself is a
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bill of sale saying, hey, I sold this guy to this, you know, I sold this gun to this
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guy, take down his information. So if that guy ever commits a crime with that Glock 17,
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then you can show some kind of proof that you sold it to that guy and it's no longer in
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your possession, which kind of, you know, relieves you of the gun. Not to say there's
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not going to be any civil lawsuits or anything like that, but criminally it kind of sets you
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It seems like there's ways for a private seller to even check maybe on some of this.
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As a consumer, you can do whatever you want. If you want to go run a, you know,
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hire someone to run a background check on this person, you can do that. I mean, there's
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places online you can put someone's information in and pull background reports.
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The best way for a consumer to consumer, and I'm not just saying this because I'm a business,
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but the most legal, and we have people do this all the time actually, they say, hey,
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I want to sell this gun, but I want to make sure the guy I'm selling it to can legally own
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it and he's not some felon. So they'll bring the gun in here. We log it into our books.
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So it goes in on the acquisition side. So we put it in under Ryan, your address,
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and then we're selling that gun on consignment or, you know, we buy it from you at a discounted
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rate. And then when we go to sell it, that person has to do all the background checks
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and everything just as if I'm selling a new gun to somebody.
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There's a trail there for consumer and the buyer.
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Yeah. Just an added level of protection. Yeah. That makes sense. Well, I want to ask like what,
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what role, I mean, obviously there's some ideas that I have and ideas that you have,
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but I really want to talk about the role firearms play in society, specifically in America,
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because a lot of our podcast listeners are, are in America. And I'm really interested and curious
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about your idea of the role weapons play in society today.
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Yeah. And people, you know, that, that word right there, weapon, it's, we call them firearms
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because a weapon is something that's designed specifically to do harm, kill or something like
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Yeah. These can do that. And that's kind of the purpose of them, but they're also,
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there's a lot of other things you can use them for. I mean, shit, it's an Olympic sport for
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Right. But which we took the first gold in the Olympics in firearms, right?
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Yeah. Nobody knows that. Cause they don't, you know, they don't, they don't like to announce it.
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Hey, somebody won a gold medal. I'm going to give you my opinion, you know, as a, as a father to
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four and just a God loving American, the people who are against firearms, and this is very relevant
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as you, as you watch the news or like I said, read social posts, it's the people who don't
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understand guns, who've never shot a gun, who basically don't know anything about guns and
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just kind of follow the propaganda, the media are the ones who are against firearms. We take
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people to the range all the time for the first time and they freaking love it. They say, this
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is awesome. You know, it's not as bad as I thought. There was that news reporter who went
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out, shot an AR-15 and he acted like it blew his arm off. I'm sure you've seen that.
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Yeah. Yeah. I've seen that. It's pretty, pretty comical.
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Yeah. So I got a four year old daughter who will shoot my AR-15 from a fixed shooting position on
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a table. And I take her out and she's shooting steel like at a hundred yards all day long. She
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Yeah. My eight year old is the same way. We've got our AR as well and he's doing the same thing.
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Yeah. So I take my kids to the range all the time. I teach them firearms. I teach them how to shoot.
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I teach them the safety of firearms. Now, if my kid, let's say my seven year old daughter goes over to
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her friend's house and you know, her friend's dad decides to leave his handgun rifle, whatever it
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is on the nightstand. And he keeps it loaded. My daughter, my kid, as somebody who I take to the
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range and tell them the seriousness of firearms is going to know not to touch that gun. Sure.
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It's going to know that if that other little girl who may not know as much about guns as she does,
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that if that girl picks it up, she can say, Hey, don't, don't touch the gun. It's not safe.
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And if you do pick it up, sure as hell, don't, don't freaking point it at me. I've taught them
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that they know that. And I feel more comfortable with them having this knowledge than people just
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say, Hey, let's keep our kids ignorant. Don't say the word gun. Don't do this. Don't show them
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let's pretend like it doesn't exist. That train of thought and way of thinking is kind of what I
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think gets people in trouble and things like that. Well, I think that's where a lot of the mistakes
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and accidents happen because kids naturally are curious. And so if they don't understand what this
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device is that this hunk of metal they see sitting on the table, they're naturally going to want to
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play with it. But if like you said, they understand the function of it, they understand how to use it.
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They understand the risks associated with, with using a firearm. They're going to be less likely
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to have an accident. Yeah. That, you know, you got these parents are like, Hey, I'm going to give my
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kid a toy gun and he's going to go around pointing and shooting it at his buddies and playing cops and
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robbers or whatever it is. Now in their head, they're like, Oh, you know, it's okay. Cause if I see a real
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gun, I just, I point my toy gun at my buddy all the time and pull the trigger. What's the difference?
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They don't know. And then when you, when you take him to the range and actually let them shoot,
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they see the power, they feel the noise, the recoil of that gun. They're like, Holy cow,
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this is no joke. This is a serious piece of, you know, machinery here. But the other thing too,
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so that that's one side, that's kind of like the safety kid side. Right. But again, coming back to,
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to the father's side, am I, am I going to put the responsibility and the safety of my children
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in somebody else's hands? Like, am I going to say, Hey, that's not my responsibility,
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you know, as a man, as a father, as a husband, I'm going to say, I don't like firearms because
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yeah, they've caused harm or things like that. You know, if you want to go back way in the history
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of the U S that's kind of what has set us apart as a, as a country, what's kind of initiated the
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freedoms that we have is, yeah, it's what we use to protect ourselves against tyranny, against
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criminals and felons and people who want to rape, you know, kill and do all these bad things.
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Am I going to call the police and say, Hey, my kids just got kidnapped. They got kidnapped
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because I wasn't able to defend them at the time. So now I'm after the fact, having to call
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the police and the harm has been done at that point. Right. Right. The harm's been done.
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I want to be prepared at the moment something happens to be able to react to a situation.
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Then say, Hey, after the fact, I should have had this people buy freaking insurance all the
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time. And why do they buy insurance? Right. Just in case something happens. Yeah.
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You're buying insurance. So if you get in a car accident, you have something to fall back on and pay,
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you know, help pay for the damages and everything else where it's like, Hey, I'm buying a gun.
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It's my freaking insurance policy. I'm not going to go around shooting people with it because I
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have it. The goal is not to use it, but if you need it, then you have it and you know,
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you're trained with it and you can intelligently use that firearm.
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Exactly. And people who actually go out to the range, train, shoot their firearms and feel
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comfortable using it. Also the people who are like, you know what? It's not that bad. It's actually
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good to have. It's an insurance policy. I have it with me. I feel more comfortable with it. So if
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something does happen or a situation arises where I need to use my handgun in defense of myself,
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my family or anybody else that, you know, I may see that is in harm, I have that option. I'm not
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going to be caught off guard and be like, well, shit, you know, I should have had my gun today or
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I should have done this or I should have done that. What's interesting is I just had a member of,
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we've got a mastermind, the iron council. And I had a member just post a comment. This was a couple
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of weeks ago that he went into a convenience store and he didn't, he didn't wear his firearm.
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Normally he does. And somebody came in and pulled a gun to the cashier and he had to lay there. He
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had to sit back and let that thief, that criminal do what he wanted to do until he left. Fortunately,
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nobody got injured or hurt, but he had let his guard down and it was a bad day to let his guard down.
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Yeah. And you know, the anti-gun activists, it's like, look, if you don't like guns,
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or you're not comfortable with them or they scare you for whatever, that's fine. You don't have to
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carry a gun. You don't, you don't need it, but don't, don't be infringing on my freedoms in my
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space and telling me that, Hey, because guns scare me, I don't want you to have them either
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to defend my, that's my right. It's the freaking second amendment for crying out loud, you know?
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So what responsibilities, I mean, let's talk about this because if you are going to own a gun and we
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can address this a little bit, I think there are probably some responsibilities that every gun
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owner should adhere to what, what would you say those are? I think education is the biggest part.
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So we, we teach a concealed carry class here at our store and we sell it for five bucks. We basically
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give it away. It's a loss leader for us. Yeah. And the reason we do that is because we,
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we feel, or I feel, you know, as a business and myself that, Hey, the more educated, responsible
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gun owners we have out there, the better. Utah's a great state. You know, everyone thinks Texas is
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the gun state, which Texas is a great gun state, but Utah's actually got better gun laws in Texas.
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Interesting. So, you know, I'm just saying, Hey, the more concealed carry holders we can get out
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there, the less crime we're going to have. And this is statistical, actual factual data. You know,
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you look at the cities and the States with the highest, most stringent gun laws. Those are the
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ones with the most crime as well. Right. And it's the same thing. It's like, Hey, there's a lot of
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things that are illegal, right? Cocaine. Sure. Yeah. Drugs, heroin, you know, a whole other realm of stuff.
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But it's like, because it's illegal, does that mean we don't have heroin out on the streets?
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Are there drugs in existence in this, in the world because we legalized it or illegalized it? It's
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like, no, it's out there. And if, if the guys who want to get it, want to get it, they're going to
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get it. So basically it's like, Hey, there's law abiding citizens and there's the non law abiding
00:18:57.280
citizens. Right. And this is the same shit you hear time and time again from, you know, the gun
00:19:02.480
advocate side. And it's really indisputable. It's like the facts are out there. The data is out there.
00:19:06.540
So going back to the responsible gun ownership is basically educate yourself. Anybody who takes
00:19:11.840
our class for that five bucks, we say, Hey, in Utah, you got to take a four hour minimum
00:19:15.160
training course. There's no shooting required. There's nothing like that. So after you take
00:19:19.280
this four hour course, submit your application to the state, they issue you a concealed carry
00:19:23.200
license 30 days later saying, here's your permit. Now you can carry a gun concealed. But as part
00:19:29.460
of that course, the only thing they're teasing you is kind of like the gun laws. Hey, you can
00:19:32.480
carry it here. You can't carry it here. If you get pulled over, this is what you need
00:19:35.300
to do. Right. And illegal ramifications of using it and all of those things. Exactly.
00:19:39.880
The civil and legal criminal penalties that come with using a firearm. But there's not
00:19:45.120
a lot of actual firearm education. So our class is actually six hours long because we like
00:19:50.560
to throw in at least some gun education into the course. But then we try to tell everyone,
00:19:56.520
Hey, we have a basic handgun course. If you're going to be carrying a handgun, not just because
00:20:00.980
you can, doesn't mean you should. You need to get yourself educated on how to use the
00:20:04.820
gun, how to load it, unload it. A lot of accidents happen when you're actually loading or loading
00:20:09.020
a handgun if you don't know how to do it properly. And that's what I would say. It's like, Hey,
00:20:12.840
get yourself educated on it. Go to the range, shoot, get comfortable drawing from a holster.
00:20:17.440
Again, loading, clearing malfunctions. Basically the basic simple principles that come with owning
00:20:22.600
and shooting a firearm is everybody who has one. And if you're going to carry it, educate
00:20:26.280
yourself. Again, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. And there are some people out
00:20:30.900
there who maybe they're a little over the top. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have it, but
00:20:34.740
it's, it's such a touchy subject. It's the slightest thing goes wrong with the responsible
00:20:39.220
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And now let me get back to my conversation with Neil.
00:21:37.100
Of course. Yeah. It's interesting that you would say that, you know, we want our citizens to have
00:21:42.280
firearms. Actually in our hometown, we have a police officer who teaches the concealed weapons class
00:21:48.140
privately. So for the same reason, you've got a police officer, you've got a police force literally
00:21:52.640
that wants its citizens to have firearms. Why is that the case? Because like you said,
00:21:57.220
less crime because people can protect and defend themselves in, in maybe waiting for a police force
00:22:04.340
to respond or something like that. Yeah. There's a lot more of us than there are police officers in it.
00:22:08.840
Yeah. I've been pulled over a bunch and you always tell them, Hey, just want to let you know,
00:22:12.480
I got a concealed carry permit. And they always ask, so are you carrying? I'm like, yeah,
00:22:15.880
where's it at? You know, I was like, well, it's on my hip. It's in my dash. It's in my
00:22:20.260
center console here. And they're like, Hey, awesome, man. Appreciate you letting me know.
00:22:24.740
Just make sure you just keep your hands off it. And yeah, roger that. And you know,
00:22:28.840
you just do your thing, but they're always really appreciative of it. And there's videos of guys,
00:22:34.620
you know, highway patrolmen typically pulling people over, getting shot at with these guys,
00:22:38.680
drug dealers, whatever it may be. And there isn't always a police officer right there to help them out.
00:22:43.040
But again, civilians are driving past nonstop. And if one of those guys see something go down and
00:22:48.240
they can pull over and provide assistance to a police officer, you know, that's why they like
00:22:51.640
it. But okay, there are people out there who are willing to help out. And if I get in a, you know,
00:22:55.900
some kind of shit storm, I have backup that may not necessarily be my police officer buddy,
00:23:01.700
but maybe some civilian with a concealed carry permit who can come help me out.
00:23:05.660
Sure. And I think every citizen should have some sort of vested interest in the protection of not
00:23:10.060
only themselves, but their community and their neighborhoods as well.
00:23:13.040
That's the thing. I mean, there was an incident here where some girl was getting pulled out of
00:23:16.200
her car at a grocery store parking lot at night. And there was a guy there with a concealed carry
00:23:21.820
permit. He didn't end up shooting the guy or anything, but he was able to stop this from
00:23:24.960
happening by brandishing his handgun. Police came and arrested the guy. And you never know where
00:23:30.280
that, where that could leave. What was going to happen? Was he going to pull her into the back of
00:23:33.280
his truck and drive off, kill her, bury her in the desert? You never know.
00:23:36.680
Right. Unfortunately, he was there to do something about that.
00:23:38.840
And that's the thing is a lot of the stuff gets stopped before it gets to a certain point.
00:23:42.860
And it's like, well, maybe he was going to murder her. Maybe he wasn't. So it's not that big of a
00:23:47.760
deal. But until something bad really happens, you don't really know. But who knows what's been
00:23:52.680
prevented from, you know, responsible gun owners here in the U.S.
00:23:55.600
Sure. So talking about training and getting familiar with your firearm, how often are you
00:24:01.900
out shooting? I mean, I see your Facebook profile. Are you guys out every day shooting?
00:24:06.800
No, I wish, man. Unfortunately, I got to be here to run the business.
00:24:11.280
I'm opening a new store right now, so it's been a little bit tougher to get out than usual. But
00:24:15.400
I try to go at least once a week. And when we have the range up here in the next month or two,
00:24:20.900
I'll be shooting every day. Yeah. So I wake up, I go to the gym like 530 in the morning.
00:24:27.000
And as part of my routine, once we have the shooting range, I'd like to go just shoot at
00:24:30.600
least a box of 50 rounds through my handgun. Really? Okay.
00:24:34.560
Shooting is a perishable skill. And anybody in the military and law enforcement can tell you this.
00:24:39.200
If you go a long period of time without shooting, next time you go to the range,
00:24:42.840
you're going to tell the difference, right? It's something you got to keep up with and stay at
00:24:47.340
speed with. Because if you don't do it for a long period of time, you're going to be,
00:24:50.500
you're going to get rusty. What are the basics of shooting? I mean,
00:24:53.440
if you can go through those maybe really quickly and talk with us about those, that'd be,
00:24:56.480
that'd be important for us to know. Yeah. So basically it comes down to grip,
00:25:02.300
sight picture, sight alignment, trigger pull. Those are the most important ones.
00:25:06.100
So those are going to be the things that basically dictate your shock placement, right? So how people
00:25:10.860
grip the pistol and you can go to a range and you can watch a lot of people who, you know,
00:25:15.960
not that it's dangerous, but their, their shot group's not going to be exactly how you want it to be.
00:25:19.900
If they were holding it a little bit different, maybe their hands a little bit lower instead of
00:25:24.420
high up, the higher you place your hand on what's called the kind of the tang there, the curved
00:25:29.120
portion or the beaver tail of the gun, the better control you're going to have is the hand of the
00:25:33.280
firearm. And then obviously the placement of your left hand, you want an equal balance between your
00:25:38.040
left and right pressures. Then the way you align your sides, the way you align your, your eyes with
00:25:43.360
the sides and the target. And then trigger pull is a huge one as well. A lot of people jerk the
00:25:48.020
trigger pull it hard. They're a little aggressive or rough with it. Females are actually, if you
00:25:52.040
take a guy and a girl off the street, you've never shot a handgun more so than not. So the female is
00:25:58.040
actually going to be a better shooter than the guy. Is that because they're just softer in the way
00:26:02.180
they're pulling the trigger? They're softer. They're a little more timid where the guys are
00:26:05.060
kind of like more of the macho type. They kind of grip the pistol really tight. They jerk it.
00:26:09.720
They're bouncing fingers off the triggers where, you know, there's that saying where you kind of
00:26:13.700
want to be surprised when that gun goes off. Right. The females where they kind of slowly pull
00:26:18.160
the trigger back just because you're anticipating the shot and they're kind of scared and they pull
00:26:22.380
it back and it goes off and they're like, holy crap. It just gets where they want to be. Where
00:26:27.700
if you're jerking the trigger, you're going to be pulling that thing to the right or pushing it to
00:26:30.640
the left. So. And I imagine too, part of this is, is a lot of muscle memory as well. That's why you
00:26:35.420
say it's a perishable skill and you're out every week is because you need to be doing this the same
00:26:39.580
way every time to get a tight shot group. Exactly. I mean, it is muscle memory. You get
00:26:44.480
to the point where, you know, guys don't even have to look through their sights anymore. They just kind
00:26:47.760
of pull, push out the pistol, shoot, and they know where their shot's going to go. They don't have to
00:26:51.680
even look through the sights. Really? Yeah, it is. It's just going out, shooting, doing the time,
00:26:57.200
just like anything practice, you know, practice makes perfect. So. Well, I'm going to be up there
00:27:01.480
when you open that new, uh, that new range, I'm going to be up there to help you break that in for
00:27:04.780
sure. Yeah, it'd be awesome. We got some new belt fed guns. We need to get tested out and stuff. So. Good.
00:27:09.580
We'll try to get some order of man guys up there as well. Yeah, that'd be awesome.
00:27:13.040
Right on. Good. We'll do it. So I want to talk with you real briefly on open carry because we
00:27:17.600
talk a little bit about concealed carry and I want to know your take, your perspective,
00:27:20.780
your insights into open carry. Yes, no, sometimes. What's your thoughts on that?
00:27:25.500
If people want to carry, you know, open carry, that's, that's on them. But I, uh,
00:27:29.380
I prefer not to. And for the reason, basically you've given away the LMS surprise.
00:27:33.060
Just like if you were to go rob a bank, you know, let's say, Hey,
00:27:35.960
Ryan's going to go to set a, rob a bank today. You're going to go through that
00:27:39.480
bank door. Who's going to be the first guy you're looking for in that, in that bank.
00:27:44.440
The security guy, the security guy. Cause you know what? He's got a gun, right?
00:27:48.080
Sure. He's the threat. Exactly. So he's going to be the first guy you need to take out, eliminate,
00:27:52.200
you know, neutralize, whatever. Where everyone else is like, these guys are just civilians.
00:27:56.860
Most likely they're not armed, especially if I'm robbing a bank in California. This is the same
00:28:00.960
concept applies to open carry. It's like, Hey, if you go somewhere and you got a gun on your hip,
00:28:05.820
that's visible for everyone to see, if someone decides to pull something or do something and
00:28:10.580
they see you got a gun, you're going to be the first guy that they potentially take out. Right.
00:28:15.500
Yeah. It makes sense. Who's potentially a risk to that person or a concealed carry. It's like,
00:28:21.460
Hey, nobody knows I have a gun. If something happens, I got my gun tucked away and I can wait
00:28:26.000
for the perfect opportunity to set myself up to kind of get involved or, or resist this guy in some
00:28:32.260
form or fashion. But as an open carry guy, you really are, you're taking away that ability.
00:28:37.760
Yeah. That makes total sense. When you're talking about concealed carry, what would you suggest
00:28:42.560
somebody look for in a firearm? Any of that, any insights into concealed carry would be great.
00:28:47.500
You know, concealed carry guns have come a long way in the, in the last couple of years is becoming
00:28:51.760
more and more popular. You know, Glock just came out with their new 43. They got a lot,
00:28:55.740
a lot of the single stack guns. Basically what I tell people here at the store, when they ask is like,
00:29:00.700
take out something you're going to carry. Cause a lot of people like, well, I want a Glock 19 or
00:29:05.400
a Glock 17, which a lot of people can still carry. And it's an awesome gun. The Glock 19 is one of my
00:29:09.980
favorite handguns. But for me, I wouldn't carry it cause it's too bulky. It's uncomfortable.
00:29:13.800
It's big. Yeah. I've got the 17 and it's, it's big.
00:29:16.780
Yeah, it is big. I can shoot it all day long when I'm, you know, if I got an outside the belt
00:29:21.020
holster, if I'm just pulling it from the table, it's my favorite gun to shoot. But I find myself,
00:29:26.060
you know, cause I've tried to carry it and it's like, man, this thing's so bulky. You end up taking it out,
00:29:29.520
putting it in the console or leaving it at home. You're like, I'm not going to carry today. Cause
00:29:32.480
I don't want to freaking poking in my hip or my abs or whatever it is. Then what use is it? Right?
00:29:37.140
Yeah. So now it becomes totally obsolete. So I'd rather have something like a 43. Yeah. I can't
00:29:42.220
carry as many rounds, but I'm actually going to freaking carry it. I'm actually going to have it
00:29:46.460
on me because I can put that thing in my freaking pocket if I want it to. Right. But I have something
00:29:51.740
there. That makes sense. Yeah. I'm not going to have my 17 rounds and my bigger grip and a little
00:29:55.480
more comfortable, you know, handgun. I'm only going to have seven, eight rounds, whatever it is.
00:29:59.780
But at least I have seven or eight rounds. Yeah. Just having something and having it on
00:30:04.140
your person at all times is important. Exactly. And you just carry a backup mag or something. And
00:30:07.780
again, the magazines are pretty small. You can tuck those in your back pocket or whatever it is,
00:30:11.280
however you decide to carry it. And you know, now, now you got a mag plus one and you just got to get
00:30:16.840
comfortable doing your tactical reloads, quick reloads, whatever it is, and just get good at it.
00:30:21.880
What, uh, what, where should somebody start if they're looking at just having a handgun,
00:30:25.540
a firearm, maybe not a concealed carry, but just something they're going to shoot,
00:30:28.880
maybe a nine millimeter, 40, something like that. Where should somebody get started there?
00:30:32.600
Yeah. So, I mean, it all depends who you ask in the gun world. Everyone has their opinion. Mine
00:30:36.600
is basically a nine millimeter. So people come in and the things that are going to dictate what gun
00:30:41.520
they get is obviously the budget. What's the budget of the gun? Cause you can't just come in and say,
00:30:45.880
Hey, buy this gun. It's a thousand dollars, but it's the best one we have. Not everyone can afford it.
00:30:49.380
Right. So I'll lay out a bunch of options on the table and say, Hey, this is kind of the line of
00:30:53.480
guns. We have like a SIG 938, which is, you know, a little more high end. It's kind of fancier.
00:30:58.520
It's like a 600, a $700 gun. You got the Glock 43, the Smith and Wesson shield has been one of our
00:31:04.220
top sellers because it's like 385 bucks. Very inexpensive. And it's awesome. Nine millimeter,
00:31:10.780
I say nine millimeter caliber because you want these guys to go out and practice, right? And if you're
00:31:15.120
shooting 40, 45, ammo is a lot more expensive. You're spending about five to six bucks a box.
00:31:19.840
For your higher calibers where nine mil, you can buy a box of decent flinking ammunition for like
00:31:24.940
12 bucks for 50. All right. Right. So it's like, if it's not costing you as much, you're more likely
00:31:29.160
to go out and actually shoot the gun and train with it. Right. And then grip. So I'll have them
00:31:33.660
hold all the guns. Hey, these are the ones in your price range. Let's put your hands on it. See how it
00:31:37.780
feels. And right off the bat, most people were like, I don't like this one. I don't like this one,
00:31:41.660
but this one right here is really comfortable. Right. So they're picking it out. And if it's not
00:31:45.980
comfortable for them, they're not going to want to go shoot it. And they're not going to shoot it as well
00:31:49.300
as they will shoot a gun that fits good in their hands.
00:31:51.780
Yeah. And I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot of variables, right? You've got your hand size
00:31:54.820
fingers and the way you grip it, the way you hold it, all of that stuff probably plays a factor into
00:31:58.900
this. Oh, yeah, it is. My, you know, I got big banana hands, so I'm, I'm going for the bigger
00:32:03.340
grip guns, but there's, you know, your females and your guys with smaller hands or whatever. And
00:32:09.440
Yeah. So it just sounds like it's a matter of just getting out there, testing, going with people,
00:32:12.540
even that, that, that are already shooting or using their firearms, I'm sure is a huge advantage as
00:32:17.400
well. Cause you can see and find out what you like without having to purchase one right away.
00:32:20.740
Yeah, exactly. And then, so after that, then, like you said, you got to shoot the gun,
00:32:24.560
you got to let them shoot the gun before they buy it. Typically. And this is why in the range,
00:32:28.160
we have a, like a gun rental thing where any gun we have, you can rent at the, at the range.
00:32:32.940
We say, okay, these are the three you've kind of narrowed it down to. Now let's go shoot them
00:32:36.400
because of recoil on these guns, even though they're all nine millimeter, the springs and everything
00:32:40.020
else are all going to be a little bit different. So they're going to shoot a little bit different.
00:32:43.060
So even though they love the grip on one, when they go shoot it, I mean, they might be like,
00:32:46.180
you know what, actually it's kind of weird. It's got this or this or that. And I actually like the
00:32:51.000
way this one shoots better. You know, you can't really buy a gun online. It's something you got
00:32:54.720
to go to the store, hold, feel, touch, and then you actually even use before you decide to purchase it.
00:33:01.420
Right. Now, as far as maybe a semi-automatic rifle, would you suggest the AR? I mean,
00:33:05.680
is that the go-to or where, where would somebody get started there?
00:33:08.460
Yeah, it's, it's the most common. I mean, an AR-15 and again, uh, ammunition, it's not as expensive
00:33:13.760
as like an AR-10 or something like that. You can get 22 ARs, like the MMP-15-22 is a great gun.
00:33:21.360
That's one of my kids shoot. And 22 ammo is kind of hard to find these days, but it's, it's, it is
00:33:26.260
hard. It's becoming a little bit easier to find, but you're, you're paying a little more than what
00:33:29.960
you were, you know, five years ago. Why is it so difficult to find 22 rounds? You know, it's all
00:33:36.520
speculation. I can't, I can't give you like a hundred percent official answer, but when 223,
00:33:41.200
so after Sandy Hook, 223 was kind of impossible to find. And I think everyone started buying 22s
00:33:48.300
or everyone else, you know, all the ammo manufacturers ramped up their 22 or sorry, 223
00:33:54.140
production and kind of left 22 on the, on the curb. And then they had the shoe gym flux and now
00:34:01.160
they're playing catch up. The thing that sucks about it is anytime 22 becomes available,
00:34:05.800
people buy it, even though they don't need it because they're like, well, if I see it,
00:34:08.400
I'm going to buy it. Right. And they scoop it up.
00:34:10.740
We're just tweeting this demand. I mean, they're making as much as they used to nowadays,
00:34:14.460
but the demand is just people buy it again. People buy it who don't even have 22 ammunition
00:34:20.400
When, uh, what was really interesting is when I bought my eight year old, we had a little
00:34:23.940
rite of passage for him and I bought him a little single, a single shot, the bolt, uh,
00:34:28.040
savage rifle, the youth model at the store. We bought it. They always reserve a box of 22s
00:34:32.860
when you buy the rifle. And so I, he got those 22s out and literally it was like a swarm of guys
00:34:40.340
came over. Hey, you have 22s. He's like, Nope, sorry. We've only got a reserve for those who buy
00:34:44.560
a firearm. Yeah. And we do the same thing too, because we don't want, like we get 22 and we
00:34:49.820
save like the 325 or 500 round bricks for people who buy the guns because we don't want to sell a gun
00:34:54.820
and be like, Hey, here's a gun. Good luck finding that. We'll see you later.
00:34:58.040
Right. You know, you want to be able to let them go out and shoot it right away because when you
00:35:01.120
buy a gun, most people want to go shoot it. Yeah. The AR-15 is probably our top seller.
00:35:05.160
What we do here is we actually build them for people. You can, you can come in and buy a Daniel
00:35:08.820
defense off over the counter, go home and, you know, be done with it. Or you can build it,
00:35:14.680
which is probably the biggest thing we do. And the reason for it is because they get what they want.
00:35:20.040
They have the pride of building the gun. They have the education of building the gun.
00:35:23.200
So now they know how it works, functions, where every little pin and spring goes,
00:35:27.500
know how to safely operate it. Where typically if you go to a gun store, you buy an AR-15,
00:35:31.660
you take it home, put a thousand rounds through it. And now it starts gunking up and misfeeding
00:35:35.760
and you don't know how to clean it because you've never done it before.
00:35:38.760
Right. So you're actually going through and doing the build with them.
00:35:41.800
Yeah. So we walk them through it. They build it themselves. We just kind of tell them where
00:35:46.760
Very cool. Yeah. That'd be a cool experience. Then there's the experience of it as well,
00:35:51.000
People, people love it. People love it. We have a bunch of father and sons that come in
00:35:54.680
and do it together. It's awesome. People love it. We love it. It's kind of a win-win for everybody.
00:35:59.340
Very cool. Yeah. I'm going to come up. I'm going to come up now. I got to do that and take advantage
00:36:02.760
of that. I like the father-son idea. I'm going to bring my boys up there and we'll do that together.
00:36:07.340
Cool. Well, Neil, hey, as we're winding down, I want to ask a couple of other questions. One of the
00:36:11.140
questions that I want to ask is actually was posed to me by a friend of mine. He's German. And I've heard this,
00:36:17.360
especially from a lot of foreigners who asked the question, why do Americans love firearms so much?
00:36:22.580
I'm really curious what your answer is to this. Because we can. I think that outsiders,
00:36:29.460
Australians or whoever it is, it's super curious to them. I think it's almost a sense of jealousy.
00:36:35.460
They're like, we can't freaking have guns here. It's total bullshit. You guys are all about your
00:36:39.800
guns. You get all these guns. You're posting pictures on your Instagram page. It's bullshit.
00:36:44.580
And it's like, hey, your country sucks. Sorry, man. And again, this goes back to the very beginning
00:36:51.240
of the conversation where it's like the gun laws don't necessarily keep people safe.
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Even in Australia, there was a mass shooting there. What was it, a year or two ago? And
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they have the most strenuous gun laws there is in most countries. I think we like them because
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they're fun to shoot. They come into, again, sporting events. Everybody loves sports. Hunting is huge
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here in the US. And basically the ability, there's nothing more, I guess, masculine than
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having the ability to defend your family, right? The ability that if someone tries to break in my
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home at night or mess with my family while we're out to the movie theaters, I have the ability as a
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man to defend anybody, anybody I want who could be in danger that's in my line of sight. I have that
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That actually leads me into my next question, Neil. And I didn't even prepare you for this,
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but it's a question I ask every single guest. And I think you alluded to it already, but what do you
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Well, basically everything we've been talking about, this is actually an easy question.
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To be a man is to be able to provide, protect, support, right? Everything since the creation of
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man. Like we've been given one job is to provide, right? We're the provider. And to provide also
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means to protect. So my job as a father and a man and a business owner is to provide opportunity
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to my wife, my kids, to give them a safe environment in which to do so and, you know,
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educate. So I'm kind of like the leader of the pack, you know, like the alpha male, like the wolf,
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the alpha male wolf of that pack to basically set these guys down the path of success. So that's,
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that's kind of what I see is like, we're the, we're kind of a leader. We're a leader of our group,
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of our pack, whatever it is that, you know, we do, my employees here, my job is to, you know,
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this is outside of my family is to educate my employees, to give them opportunity, to help
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them succeed. So I think that's the whole purpose and, and, uh, of a, of a male, of a man.
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Right on. Yeah. I love it. I mean, we talk about the same thing, you know, we talk about provide,
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protect, preside, which is leadership. So you hit on all those three. I wholeheartedly agree with you,
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Neil. I really appreciate your time. I appreciate what you're doing, the work you're doing,
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and then coming on and imparting some of that wisdom with us. If guys are listening to this,
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they want to connect with you. They want to learn more about what you're doing or even come into
00:39:08.520
the range, which I know, what is it? It's like a 10,000 square foot, uh, facility that you're
00:39:12.460
opening up, right? Yeah. It's 20,000 square feet, 20,000, 10,000 on the range side, 10,000 on the
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retail side. So yeah, if you're a local Utah here in the Utah County area, it's going to be the new
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stores in Oramon state street, right across from the university mall. So the range will be open in
00:39:26.520
October. We're opening the retail side here in the next few weeks. So come see us, you know,
00:39:31.280
say hi. We, uh, at ready gunner at the store here, we, we try to provide basically great customer
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service because it's something that's kind of hard to find in the gun community. You know,
00:39:41.300
there's a lot of belittling, patronizing where ready gunner, we try to treat everyone with respect
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and answer every question we get, whether it's, you know, a good one or dumb one. So
00:39:48.840
right on. Cool, man. I'm looking forward to connecting with you. We'll, uh, we'll make links to
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all of the information in the show notes. That way guys can check out your stuff. Neil,
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again, I appreciate you. Thanks for coming on the show today, man. Awesome. Thanks for having
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me around. I appreciate it. There it is guys, my friend, Mr. Neil Curry. If you're in the Northern
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Utah area, I highly encourage you to check out his new store and range. I promise that you will not
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be disappointed. And if you're not, you're missing out, but I hope that this provided you
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