Order of Man - OoM 080： The Responsibiliites and Fundamentals of Owning a Firearm with Neal Currey

00:00:00.000 Today we talk with former Army Ranger and the owner of Ready Gunner, Neil Curry, about firearms.

00:00:04.840 We'll cover some of the myths surrounding the sale of firearms, the responsibilities gun owners

00:00:08.500 carry, the fundamentals of shooting, open versus concealed carry, and why men should learn how to

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00:00:57.100 will help you and I become better men. Today, we're going to be talking about a subject near

00:01:02.260 and dear to my heart, which is firearms. Now, I'm not going to get too much into it since I've got

00:01:06.160 someone who is much more qualified than I am to talk about it with us, but before I get to him and

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00:02:09.460 So, you can get the details at orderofman.com slash Iron Council. Now, I want to get to my guest

00:02:14.640 today. He is Neil Curry. He's a former army ranger with the 2nd Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment and the

00:02:20.680 owner of Ready Gunner. After two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan with his unit, Neil left the

00:02:26.340 military and moved into the private sector and conducted an additional two tours in Iraq as a

00:02:32.420 personal security specialist. Between that time, Neil worked for a company called SRATS, which is

00:02:37.320 specialized reconnaissance assault transport systems in special projects. He helped the production of the

00:02:42.720 SRATS, a vehicle designed for special operations units in Afghanistan. Since then, Neil has gone

00:02:48.560 on to found Ready Gunner, where he offers firearms, ammunition, tactical gear, and training to help

00:02:53.100 those who serve this country and other patriots to receive the training and equipment needed to

00:02:57.100 achieve their goals and above all, stay safe. Neil, what's up, man? Thanks for joining me on the

00:03:02.780 show today. Yeah, no worries. Thanks for having me. So, this is a conversation that we have not yet

00:03:07.220 had and I know it's going to be controversial because everybody listening to this is either going to love

00:03:10.680 what we have to say or they're going to despise everything that we have to say, which is probably

00:03:14.580 your universe, right? It is my universe and, you know, people can, you know, not believe in what I

00:03:19.300 believe in. That's their right, I guess, right? Yeah, and as beautiful as liberty and independence and

00:03:26.040 all of the things that we fight for is, sometimes it's a little hard to deal with when people don't

00:03:29.960 necessarily have the same viewpoints as we do, right? Yeah, yeah, and, you know, that's life. You move on.

00:03:34.500 For sure. So, how did you get into firearms, Neil? So, I mean, I grew up kind of honey. I'd go honey when I was

00:03:40.060 younger, 12, 13, 14 and then I joined the military when I was, you know, I was a little bit older. I

00:03:45.420 was 24. Okay. And I was in basic training with guys who were, you know, 18, 19, 20. So, I was kind of

00:03:50.560 the old man of the group. I joined specifically to try to get into the Rangers. So, they had this

00:03:55.980 thing and I think they still have it today. It's called an Option 40 contract where they basically

00:04:00.460 set you on the path to go to Ranger school. So, you go to basic training, your advanced individual

00:04:06.840 training, then airborne school, then for Benning, Ranger indoctrination program, which I think is

00:04:10.700 called RASP now. And then once you pass all that, you get assigned a Ranger unit and then that Ranger

00:04:16.720 unit basically decides if they want to keep you or not, right? Right. Okay. But they set you down a

00:04:21.700 path. They say, hey, we'll put you in line to go through all these courses. But if you fail anything

00:04:26.260 on the way, guess what? You're ours to put you wherever we want to put you. Sure. Right. So,

00:04:31.020 but yeah. So, what happened for you? So, I mean, I was motivated. I went through. I didn't fail any

00:04:37.660 of the courses, luckily. You know, Ranger indoctrination is pretty hard. Everything else

00:04:41.360 is pretty easy. Basic training is just kind of a mental game, just trying to get used to the Army

00:04:45.580 life, the discipline, everything else and how everything functions. And they just try to reform

00:04:50.100 you there. And then you go to airborne school, which isn't very tough at all either. It's just kind of

00:04:53.720 going to work every day, jumping out of planes and that's it. Then the Ranger indoctrination

00:04:57.960 program is, that's kind of designed to weed people out. So, they make it pretty tough. You

00:05:02.900 know, sleep deprivation, you know, lack of food, being cold, wet, smoked all the time,

00:05:08.780 trying to think under pressure. And that's a four-week thing. So, once you finish that,

00:05:12.960 then they say, hey, congratulations. We kind of weeded out the ones that we don't think would

00:05:16.600 make it through. And then you get assigned to the unit. And then from there, they just kind

00:05:20.960 of, you know, you do the training with the Rangers. You do the missions with the Rangers. You get

00:05:24.740 deployed. And then after a while, once they think you're ready, they'll send

00:05:27.700 you have to Ranger school. And you go to Ranger school, which is another 60 days. It's kind

00:05:31.740 of hell on earth. And then once you're back from that, then you're just kind of, you know,

00:05:35.100 officially in the unit. But...

00:05:36.780 Yeah, it sounds pretty intense. So, is that, did you make it all the way to Ranger

00:05:39.680 school and complete that then?

00:05:41.720 I did. So, I was in the, I got assigned to 2nd Battalion, which is up in Fort Lewis,

00:05:46.040 Washington State. So, I went to Ranger school about a year after being in the unit. Did that,

00:05:50.600 got my Ranger tab, went back and got assigned my own squad. And, you know, it was just

00:05:55.600 there for the remainder of my enlistment. So, I was in from 2004 to about 2009. Went

00:06:00.540 and I got picked up by SOCOM, Special Operations Command down in MacDill Air Force Base. And

00:06:06.280 this is after I'm out of the military. So, I'm on the civilian side now doing some contracting

00:06:09.240 work. Worked on some prototype vehicle projects for SOCOM, building these kind of what they

00:06:14.540 thought was going to be the replacement to the Humvee. And we sent these off to Afghanistan 0.99

00:06:19.040 with some special forces units. So, I worked on that project for about two years. And then

00:06:23.040 I worked for Triple Canopy, which is a private security contract over in Baghdad. I did that

00:06:26.560 for about another year and a half. So, you know, I'd been around guns a lot, a lot of training.

00:06:30.840 You got comfortable with them. Everything I did, basically, you know, you had to use firearms,

00:06:35.160 handguns, rifles, and got really comfortable with them, learned to love them, and figured I

00:06:40.360 started a business out of it when I got home. Yeah. So, did you go straight from your, well,

00:06:44.600 I guess you did the military career and then you were a civilian contractor, it sounds like.

00:06:47.660 And then did you start your own business from there? You know, I started my own business. So,

00:06:51.640 at this time, and maybe you can still do this. I heard it's, you can or you can, but I was a home,

00:06:56.900 what they call a home-based FFL, Federal Firearms Licensee. Okay. So, I applied for my license when I

00:07:02.780 was over in Baghdad. You got plenty of time when you're not running missions to work out or do,

00:07:07.860 you know, a lot of guys do college. So, I did the paperwork to do an FFL, came home,

00:07:13.080 and then I met with an ATF agent as part of the process. And he came and interviewed me at the

00:07:16.780 house. You know, it was like a five-hour thing and basically just started a gun store out of my

00:07:21.400 basement. Really? Okay. Yeah. And I've heard of that. And it sounds like it's pretty rigorous as

00:07:25.700 you get inspected. I'm assuming there's some sort of, maybe it's not surprise inspections,

00:07:31.100 but I'm sure there's inspections down the road as well too, right? I mean, they are surprise

00:07:34.780 inspections. They don't say, hey, I'm going to come here on this date because then. Yeah. Then you

00:07:39.540 can clean things up. Yeah, exactly. But they don't do that often. I mean, we just had our first audit

00:07:44.320 about six months ago and I'd been in business five years. So, it's something they only do once

00:07:50.020 every five years, but it is very detailed. So, he came through and he basically goes through

00:07:54.940 everything we have, all our books, make sure we're doing all the background checks, everything's

00:07:58.080 coming in and out with some kind of paper trail. And we're not selling guns to people who aren't

00:08:02.380 passing background checks. So, that's kind of the whole point of it and all our inventories accounted

00:08:05.960 for. I think there's a lot of misconception about the ability to apply for and purchase a

00:08:12.840 firearm. And it's actually a little bit more rigorous than I think a lot of people, especially

00:08:16.080 those who are anti-gun, actually think or have even seen in their own experience.

00:08:20.860 There's a huge misconception on how things work. I mean, I just watch in the news, reading papers,

00:08:26.980 watching people's social media posts. It's just funny how, what a lack of knowledge there is on

00:08:33.100 the process of firearms. You know, there's the gun show loophole that everyone talks about.

00:08:38.140 Now, like me as a licensed dealer, if I wanted to go to a gun show and basically conduct business

00:08:43.180 off premise for my regular place of business, I've got to go, I got to set up shop, and I got to put

00:08:50.200 my license up on my little booth, whatever it is I set up. And I still got to do my background checks

00:08:55.280 just like everybody else. On my level, on a dealer level, we're highly regulated, like I'm talking about.

00:09:01.320 I get audited by the ATF. They go through every single one of my 4473s, which is a form that

00:09:05.880 background checks are done on. They go through all my A&D book, my acquisitions and dispositions

00:09:10.520 book to make sure everything's logged in and locked out on some form of paperwork.

00:09:14.360 And if not, then, you know, we kind of cease to exist.

00:09:17.580 The only loophole there is, if you even want to call it a loophole, is consumer-to-consumer sales.

00:09:23.260 Like you, if Ryan wanted to sell a gun to, you know, Billy Bob on the internet, you as a consumer,

00:09:29.120 there's no regulation on your level.

00:09:31.400 Right.

00:09:31.540 You can basically, and there's websites, you know, there's Gun Broker here in Utah. There's

00:09:34.960 Utah Gun Exchange, which is a huge one. Most people in Utah sell their guns on Utah Gun

00:09:38.540 Exchange. But you can post an advertisement or a classified ad on Utah Gun Exchange and

00:09:43.020 say, hey, I got a Glock 17. I'm selling for $350. Some guy calls, he says, hey, Ryan, I

00:09:48.060 want your gun. Meet me at a Walmart parking lot. You guys go, you give him a gun. He gives

00:09:52.540 you cash. That's the end of the sale.

00:09:54.540 Sure.

00:09:54.980 But you as a consumer, I mean, basically the only thing you need to get to protect yourself is a

00:09:58.400 bill of sale saying, hey, I sold this guy to this, you know, I sold this gun to this

00:10:01.640 guy, take down his information. So if that guy ever commits a crime with that Glock 17,

00:10:06.620 then you can show some kind of proof that you sold it to that guy and it's no longer in

00:10:11.060 your possession, which kind of, you know, relieves you of the gun. Not to say there's

00:10:14.580 not going to be any civil lawsuits or anything like that, but criminally it kind of sets you

00:10:19.280 free.

00:10:19.860 It seems like there's ways for a private seller to even check maybe on some of this.

00:10:24.820 Is that right? Or am I misunderstanding that?

00:10:26.540 As a consumer, you can do whatever you want. If you want to go run a, you know,

00:10:30.460 hire someone to run a background check on this person, you can do that. I mean, there's

00:10:34.200 places online you can put someone's information in and pull background reports.

00:10:38.620 The best way for a consumer to consumer, and I'm not just saying this because I'm a business,

00:10:42.760 but the most legal, and we have people do this all the time actually, they say, hey,

00:10:46.300 I want to sell this gun, but I want to make sure the guy I'm selling it to can legally own

00:10:49.720 it and he's not some felon. So they'll bring the gun in here. We log it into our books.

00:10:54.920 So it goes in on the acquisition side. So we put it in under Ryan, your address,

00:10:59.880 and then we're selling that gun on consignment or, you know, we buy it from you at a discounted

00:11:05.520 rate. And then when we go to sell it, that person has to do all the background checks

00:11:09.560 and everything just as if I'm selling a new gun to somebody.

00:11:12.520 And that makes sense.

00:11:13.500 There's a trail there for consumer and the buyer.

00:11:16.220 Yeah. Just an added level of protection. Yeah. That makes sense. Well, I want to ask like what,

00:11:20.140 what role, I mean, obviously there's some ideas that I have and ideas that you have,

00:11:23.720 but I really want to talk about the role firearms play in society, specifically in America,

00:11:27.260 because a lot of our podcast listeners are, are in America. And I'm really interested and curious

00:11:31.720 about your idea of the role weapons play in society today.

00:11:35.960 Yeah. And people, you know, that, that word right there, weapon, it's, we call them firearms

00:11:39.960 because a weapon is something that's designed specifically to do harm, kill or something like

00:11:45.220 that. Right.

00:11:46.040 Sure.

00:11:46.960 Yeah. These can do that. And that's kind of the purpose of them, but they're also,

00:11:49.900 there's a lot of other things you can use them for. I mean, shit, it's an Olympic sport for 0.98

00:11:54.500 crying out loud. 1.00

00:11:55.040 Right. But which we took the first gold in the Olympics in firearms, right?

00:11:58.320 Yeah. Nobody knows that. Cause they don't, you know, they don't, they don't like to announce it.

00:12:01.520 Hey, somebody won a gold medal. I'm going to give you my opinion, you know, as a, as a father to

00:12:06.860 four and just a God loving American, the people who are against firearms, and this is very relevant

00:12:13.760 as you, as you watch the news or like I said, read social posts, it's the people who don't

00:12:19.980 understand guns, who've never shot a gun, who basically don't know anything about guns and

00:12:25.260 just kind of follow the propaganda, the media are the ones who are against firearms. We take

00:12:30.780 people to the range all the time for the first time and they freaking love it. They say, this

00:12:35.600 is awesome. You know, it's not as bad as I thought. There was that news reporter who went

00:12:40.580 out, shot an AR-15 and he acted like it blew his arm off. I'm sure you've seen that.

00:12:43.740 Yeah. Yeah. I've seen that. It's pretty, pretty comical.

00:12:46.600 Yeah. So I got a four year old daughter who will shoot my AR-15 from a fixed shooting position on

00:12:52.280 a table. And I take her out and she's shooting steel like at a hundred yards all day long. She 1.00

00:12:55.880 loves it.

00:12:56.820 Yeah. My eight year old is the same way. We've got our AR as well and he's doing the same thing.

00:13:00.720 So it's not going to hurt.

00:13:01.620 Yeah. So I take my kids to the range all the time. I teach them firearms. I teach them how to shoot.

00:13:06.060 I teach them the safety of firearms. Now, if my kid, let's say my seven year old daughter goes over to

00:13:11.120 her friend's house and you know, her friend's dad decides to leave his handgun rifle, whatever it

00:13:15.920 is on the nightstand. And he keeps it loaded. My daughter, my kid, as somebody who I take to the

00:13:21.720 range and tell them the seriousness of firearms is going to know not to touch that gun. Sure.

00:13:27.660 It's going to know that if that other little girl who may not know as much about guns as she does, 1.00

00:13:32.400 that if that girl picks it up, she can say, Hey, don't, don't touch the gun. It's not safe.

00:13:36.160 And if you do pick it up, sure as hell, don't, don't freaking point it at me. I've taught them

00:13:39.860 that they know that. And I feel more comfortable with them having this knowledge than people just

00:13:44.420 say, Hey, let's keep our kids ignorant. Don't say the word gun. Don't do this. Don't show them

00:13:48.360 let's pretend like it doesn't exist. That train of thought and way of thinking is kind of what I

00:13:53.580 think gets people in trouble and things like that. Well, I think that's where a lot of the mistakes

00:13:57.360 and accidents happen because kids naturally are curious. And so if they don't understand what this

00:14:01.520 device is that this hunk of metal they see sitting on the table, they're naturally going to want to

00:14:06.180 play with it. But if like you said, they understand the function of it, they understand how to use it.

00:14:10.440 They understand the risks associated with, with using a firearm. They're going to be less likely

00:14:15.360 to have an accident. Yeah. That, you know, you got these parents are like, Hey, I'm going to give my

00:14:19.320 kid a toy gun and he's going to go around pointing and shooting it at his buddies and playing cops and

00:14:23.100 robbers or whatever it is. Now in their head, they're like, Oh, you know, it's okay. Cause if I see a real

00:14:27.640 gun, I just, I point my toy gun at my buddy all the time and pull the trigger. What's the difference?

00:14:31.260 They don't know. And then when you, when you take him to the range and actually let them shoot,

00:14:34.900 they see the power, they feel the noise, the recoil of that gun. They're like, Holy cow,

00:14:39.780 this is no joke. This is a serious piece of, you know, machinery here. But the other thing too,

00:14:45.020 so that that's one side, that's kind of like the safety kid side. Right. But again, coming back to,

00:14:49.440 to the father's side, am I, am I going to put the responsibility and the safety of my children

00:14:54.420 in somebody else's hands? Like, am I going to say, Hey, that's not my responsibility,

00:14:59.080 you know, as a man, as a father, as a husband, I'm going to say, I don't like firearms because

00:15:03.780 yeah, they've caused harm or things like that. You know, if you want to go back way in the history

00:15:07.640 of the U S that's kind of what has set us apart as a, as a country, what's kind of initiated the

00:15:13.340 freedoms that we have is, yeah, it's what we use to protect ourselves against tyranny, against

00:15:17.720 criminals and felons and people who want to rape, you know, kill and do all these bad things.

00:15:22.800 Am I going to call the police and say, Hey, my kids just got kidnapped. They got kidnapped 0.98

00:15:27.340 because I wasn't able to defend them at the time. So now I'm after the fact, having to call

00:15:32.000 the police and the harm has been done at that point. Right. Right. The harm's been done.

00:15:36.660 I want to be prepared at the moment something happens to be able to react to a situation.

00:15:42.320 Then say, Hey, after the fact, I should have had this people buy freaking insurance all the

00:15:46.400 time. And why do they buy insurance? Right. Just in case something happens. Yeah.

00:15:50.660 You're buying insurance. So if you get in a car accident, you have something to fall back on and pay,

00:15:55.140 you know, help pay for the damages and everything else where it's like, Hey, I'm buying a gun. 0.91

00:15:59.940 It's my freaking insurance policy. I'm not going to go around shooting people with it because I 0.90

00:16:04.080 have it. The goal is not to use it, but if you need it, then you have it and you know,

00:16:08.220 you're trained with it and you can intelligently use that firearm.

00:16:11.740 Exactly. And people who actually go out to the range, train, shoot their firearms and feel

00:16:16.200 comfortable using it. Also the people who are like, you know what? It's not that bad. It's actually

00:16:21.040 good to have. It's an insurance policy. I have it with me. I feel more comfortable with it. So if

00:16:24.860 something does happen or a situation arises where I need to use my handgun in defense of myself,

00:16:30.040 my family or anybody else that, you know, I may see that is in harm, I have that option. I'm not

00:16:35.560 going to be caught off guard and be like, well, shit, you know, I should have had my gun today or 0.99

00:16:39.380 I should have done this or I should have done that. What's interesting is I just had a member of, 0.99

00:16:43.840 we've got a mastermind, the iron council. And I had a member just post a comment. This was a couple

00:16:48.440 of weeks ago that he went into a convenience store and he didn't, he didn't wear his firearm.

00:16:54.820 Normally he does. And somebody came in and pulled a gun to the cashier and he had to lay there. He

00:17:00.400 had to sit back and let that thief, that criminal do what he wanted to do until he left. Fortunately,

00:17:05.340 nobody got injured or hurt, but he had let his guard down and it was a bad day to let his guard down.

00:17:10.720 Yeah. And you know, the anti-gun activists, it's like, look, if you don't like guns,

00:17:15.220 or you're not comfortable with them or they scare you for whatever, that's fine. You don't have to

00:17:20.380 carry a gun. You don't, you don't need it, but don't, don't be infringing on my freedoms in my

00:17:24.820 space and telling me that, Hey, because guns scare me, I don't want you to have them either

00:17:29.540 to defend my, that's my right. It's the freaking second amendment for crying out loud, you know? 0.52

00:17:34.940 So what responsibilities, I mean, let's talk about this because if you are going to own a gun and we 0.66

00:17:39.680 can address this a little bit, I think there are probably some responsibilities that every gun

00:17:43.620 owner should adhere to what, what would you say those are? I think education is the biggest part.

00:17:48.420 So we, we teach a concealed carry class here at our store and we sell it for five bucks. We basically

00:17:53.040 give it away. It's a loss leader for us. Yeah. And the reason we do that is because we,

00:17:57.300 we feel, or I feel, you know, as a business and myself that, Hey, the more educated, responsible

00:18:02.720 gun owners we have out there, the better. Utah's a great state. You know, everyone thinks Texas is

00:18:07.480 the gun state, which Texas is a great gun state, but Utah's actually got better gun laws in Texas.

00:18:11.940 Interesting. So, you know, I'm just saying, Hey, the more concealed carry holders we can get out

00:18:16.280 there, the less crime we're going to have. And this is statistical, actual factual data. You know,

00:18:23.360 you look at the cities and the States with the highest, most stringent gun laws. Those are the

00:18:28.920 ones with the most crime as well. Right. And it's the same thing. It's like, Hey, there's a lot of

00:18:33.900 things that are illegal, right? Cocaine. Sure. Yeah. Drugs, heroin, you know, a whole other realm of stuff.

00:18:39.260 But it's like, because it's illegal, does that mean we don't have heroin out on the streets?

00:18:43.180 Are there drugs in existence in this, in the world because we legalized it or illegalized it? It's

00:18:48.800 like, no, it's out there. And if, if the guys who want to get it, want to get it, they're going to

00:18:53.280 get it. So basically it's like, Hey, there's law abiding citizens and there's the non law abiding

00:18:57.280 citizens. Right. And this is the same shit you hear time and time again from, you know, the gun

00:19:02.480 advocate side. And it's really indisputable. It's like the facts are out there. The data is out there. 1.00

00:19:06.540 So going back to the responsible gun ownership is basically educate yourself. Anybody who takes

00:19:11.840 our class for that five bucks, we say, Hey, in Utah, you got to take a four hour minimum

00:19:15.160 training course. There's no shooting required. There's nothing like that. So after you take

00:19:19.280 this four hour course, submit your application to the state, they issue you a concealed carry

00:19:23.200 license 30 days later saying, here's your permit. Now you can carry a gun concealed. But as part

00:19:29.460 of that course, the only thing they're teasing you is kind of like the gun laws. Hey, you can 0.84

00:19:32.480 carry it here. You can't carry it here. If you get pulled over, this is what you need

00:19:35.300 to do. Right. And illegal ramifications of using it and all of those things. Exactly.

00:19:39.880 The civil and legal criminal penalties that come with using a firearm. But there's not

00:19:45.120 a lot of actual firearm education. So our class is actually six hours long because we like

00:19:50.560 to throw in at least some gun education into the course. But then we try to tell everyone,

00:19:56.520 Hey, we have a basic handgun course. If you're going to be carrying a handgun, not just because

00:20:00.980 you can, doesn't mean you should. You need to get yourself educated on how to use the

00:20:04.820 gun, how to load it, unload it. A lot of accidents happen when you're actually loading or loading

00:20:09.020 a handgun if you don't know how to do it properly. And that's what I would say. It's like, Hey,

00:20:12.840 get yourself educated on it. Go to the range, shoot, get comfortable drawing from a holster.

00:20:17.440 Again, loading, clearing malfunctions. Basically the basic simple principles that come with owning

00:20:22.600 and shooting a firearm is everybody who has one. And if you're going to carry it, educate

00:20:26.280 yourself. Again, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. And there are some people out

00:20:30.900 there who maybe they're a little over the top. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have it, but

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00:21:33.100 And now let me get back to my conversation with Neil.

00:21:37.100 Of course. Yeah. It's interesting that you would say that, you know, we want our citizens to have

00:21:42.280 firearms. Actually in our hometown, we have a police officer who teaches the concealed weapons class

00:21:48.140 privately. So for the same reason, you've got a police officer, you've got a police force literally

00:21:52.640 that wants its citizens to have firearms. Why is that the case? Because like you said,

00:21:57.220 less crime because people can protect and defend themselves in, in maybe waiting for a police force

00:22:04.340 to respond or something like that. Yeah. There's a lot more of us than there are police officers in it.

00:22:08.840 Yeah. I've been pulled over a bunch and you always tell them, Hey, just want to let you know,

00:22:12.480 I got a concealed carry permit. And they always ask, so are you carrying? I'm like, yeah,

00:22:15.880 where's it at? You know, I was like, well, it's on my hip. It's in my dash. It's in my

00:22:20.260 center console here. And they're like, Hey, awesome, man. Appreciate you letting me know.

00:22:24.740 Just make sure you just keep your hands off it. And yeah, roger that. And you know,

00:22:28.840 you just do your thing, but they're always really appreciative of it. And there's videos of guys,

00:22:34.620 you know, highway patrolmen typically pulling people over, getting shot at with these guys,

00:22:38.680 drug dealers, whatever it may be. And there isn't always a police officer right there to help them out.

00:22:43.040 But again, civilians are driving past nonstop. And if one of those guys see something go down and

00:22:48.240 they can pull over and provide assistance to a police officer, you know, that's why they like

00:22:51.640 it. But okay, there are people out there who are willing to help out. And if I get in a, you know,

00:22:55.900 some kind of shit storm, I have backup that may not necessarily be my police officer buddy, 0.97

00:23:01.700 but maybe some civilian with a concealed carry permit who can come help me out. 0.99

00:23:05.660 Sure. And I think every citizen should have some sort of vested interest in the protection of not

00:23:10.060 only themselves, but their community and their neighborhoods as well.

00:23:13.040 That's the thing. I mean, there was an incident here where some girl was getting pulled out of

00:23:16.200 her car at a grocery store parking lot at night. And there was a guy there with a concealed carry

00:23:21.820 permit. He didn't end up shooting the guy or anything, but he was able to stop this from

00:23:24.960 happening by brandishing his handgun. Police came and arrested the guy. And you never know where

00:23:30.280 that, where that could leave. What was going to happen? Was he going to pull her into the back of

00:23:33.280 his truck and drive off, kill her, bury her in the desert? You never know. 1.00

00:23:36.680 Right. Unfortunately, he was there to do something about that.

00:23:38.840 And that's the thing is a lot of the stuff gets stopped before it gets to a certain point.

00:23:42.860 And it's like, well, maybe he was going to murder her. Maybe he wasn't. So it's not that big of a

00:23:47.760 deal. But until something bad really happens, you don't really know. But who knows what's been

00:23:52.680 prevented from, you know, responsible gun owners here in the U.S.

00:23:55.600 Sure. So talking about training and getting familiar with your firearm, how often are you

00:24:01.900 out shooting? I mean, I see your Facebook profile. Are you guys out every day shooting?

00:24:06.800 No, I wish, man. Unfortunately, I got to be here to run the business.

00:24:09.780 Yeah, that's true. That's true.

00:24:11.280 I'm opening a new store right now, so it's been a little bit tougher to get out than usual. But

00:24:15.400 I try to go at least once a week. And when we have the range up here in the next month or two,

00:24:20.900 I'll be shooting every day. Yeah. So I wake up, I go to the gym like 530 in the morning.

00:24:27.000 And as part of my routine, once we have the shooting range, I'd like to go just shoot at

00:24:30.600 least a box of 50 rounds through my handgun. Really? Okay.

00:24:34.560 Shooting is a perishable skill. And anybody in the military and law enforcement can tell you this.

00:24:39.200 If you go a long period of time without shooting, next time you go to the range,

00:24:42.840 you're going to tell the difference, right? It's something you got to keep up with and stay at

00:24:47.340 speed with. Because if you don't do it for a long period of time, you're going to be,

00:24:50.500 you're going to get rusty. What are the basics of shooting? I mean,

00:24:53.440 if you can go through those maybe really quickly and talk with us about those, that'd be,

00:24:56.480 that'd be important for us to know. Yeah. So basically it comes down to grip,

00:25:02.300 sight picture, sight alignment, trigger pull. Those are the most important ones.

00:25:06.100 So those are going to be the things that basically dictate your shock placement, right? So how people

00:25:10.860 grip the pistol and you can go to a range and you can watch a lot of people who, you know,

00:25:15.960 not that it's dangerous, but their, their shot group's not going to be exactly how you want it to be.

00:25:19.900 If they were holding it a little bit different, maybe their hands a little bit lower instead of

00:25:24.420 high up, the higher you place your hand on what's called the kind of the tang there, the curved

00:25:29.120 portion or the beaver tail of the gun, the better control you're going to have is the hand of the

00:25:33.280 firearm. And then obviously the placement of your left hand, you want an equal balance between your

00:25:38.040 left and right pressures. Then the way you align your sides, the way you align your, your eyes with

00:25:43.360 the sides and the target. And then trigger pull is a huge one as well. A lot of people jerk the

00:25:48.020 trigger pull it hard. They're a little aggressive or rough with it. Females are actually, if you 1.00

00:25:52.040 take a guy and a girl off the street, you've never shot a handgun more so than not. So the female is 1.00

00:25:58.040 actually going to be a better shooter than the guy. Is that because they're just softer in the way

00:26:02.180 they're pulling the trigger? They're softer. They're a little more timid where the guys are

00:26:05.060 kind of like more of the macho type. They kind of grip the pistol really tight. They jerk it.

00:26:09.720 They're bouncing fingers off the triggers where, you know, there's that saying where you kind of

00:26:13.700 want to be surprised when that gun goes off. Right. The females where they kind of slowly pull 1.00

00:26:18.160 the trigger back just because you're anticipating the shot and they're kind of scared and they pull 0.99

00:26:22.380 it back and it goes off and they're like, holy crap. It just gets where they want to be. Where 0.97

00:26:27.700 if you're jerking the trigger, you're going to be pulling that thing to the right or pushing it to

00:26:30.640 the left. So. And I imagine too, part of this is, is a lot of muscle memory as well. That's why you

00:26:35.420 say it's a perishable skill and you're out every week is because you need to be doing this the same

00:26:39.580 way every time to get a tight shot group. Exactly. I mean, it is muscle memory. You get

00:26:44.480 to the point where, you know, guys don't even have to look through their sights anymore. They just kind

00:26:47.760 of pull, push out the pistol, shoot, and they know where their shot's going to go. They don't have to

00:26:51.680 even look through the sights. Really? Yeah, it is. It's just going out, shooting, doing the time,

00:26:57.200 just like anything practice, you know, practice makes perfect. So. Well, I'm going to be up there

00:27:01.480 when you open that new, uh, that new range, I'm going to be up there to help you break that in for

00:27:04.780 sure. Yeah, it'd be awesome. We got some new belt fed guns. We need to get tested out and stuff. So. Good.

00:27:09.580 We'll try to get some order of man guys up there as well. Yeah, that'd be awesome.

00:27:13.040 Right on. Good. We'll do it. So I want to talk with you real briefly on open carry because we

00:27:17.600 talk a little bit about concealed carry and I want to know your take, your perspective,

00:27:20.780 your insights into open carry. Yes, no, sometimes. What's your thoughts on that?

00:27:25.500 If people want to carry, you know, open carry, that's, that's on them. But I, uh,

00:27:29.380 I prefer not to. And for the reason, basically you've given away the LMS surprise.

00:27:33.060 Just like if you were to go rob a bank, you know, let's say, Hey,

00:27:35.960 Ryan's going to go to set a, rob a bank today. You're going to go through that

00:27:39.480 bank door. Who's going to be the first guy you're looking for in that, in that bank.

00:27:44.440 The security guy, the security guy. Cause you know what? He's got a gun, right?

00:27:48.080 Sure. He's the threat. Exactly. So he's going to be the first guy you need to take out, eliminate,

00:27:52.200 you know, neutralize, whatever. Where everyone else is like, these guys are just civilians. 0.91

00:27:56.860 Most likely they're not armed, especially if I'm robbing a bank in California. This is the same

00:28:00.960 concept applies to open carry. It's like, Hey, if you go somewhere and you got a gun on your hip,

00:28:05.820 that's visible for everyone to see, if someone decides to pull something or do something and

00:28:10.580 they see you got a gun, you're going to be the first guy that they potentially take out. Right.

00:28:15.500 Yeah. It makes sense. Who's potentially a risk to that person or a concealed carry. It's like,

00:28:21.460 Hey, nobody knows I have a gun. If something happens, I got my gun tucked away and I can wait

00:28:26.000 for the perfect opportunity to set myself up to kind of get involved or, or resist this guy in some

00:28:32.260 form or fashion. But as an open carry guy, you really are, you're taking away that ability.

00:28:37.760 Yeah. That makes total sense. When you're talking about concealed carry, what would you suggest

00:28:42.560 somebody look for in a firearm? Any of that, any insights into concealed carry would be great.

00:28:47.500 You know, concealed carry guns have come a long way in the, in the last couple of years is becoming

00:28:51.760 more and more popular. You know, Glock just came out with their new 43. They got a lot,

00:28:55.740 a lot of the single stack guns. Basically what I tell people here at the store, when they ask is like,

00:29:00.700 take out something you're going to carry. Cause a lot of people like, well, I want a Glock 19 or

00:29:05.400 a Glock 17, which a lot of people can still carry. And it's an awesome gun. The Glock 19 is one of my

00:29:09.980 favorite handguns. But for me, I wouldn't carry it cause it's too bulky. It's uncomfortable.

00:29:13.800 It's big. Yeah. I've got the 17 and it's, it's big.

00:29:16.780 Yeah, it is big. I can shoot it all day long when I'm, you know, if I got an outside the belt

00:29:21.020 holster, if I'm just pulling it from the table, it's my favorite gun to shoot. But I find myself, 0.96

00:29:26.060 you know, cause I've tried to carry it and it's like, man, this thing's so bulky. You end up taking it out,

00:29:29.520 putting it in the console or leaving it at home. You're like, I'm not going to carry today. Cause

00:29:32.480 I don't want to freaking poking in my hip or my abs or whatever it is. Then what use is it? Right?

00:29:37.140 Yeah. So now it becomes totally obsolete. So I'd rather have something like a 43. Yeah. I can't

00:29:42.220 carry as many rounds, but I'm actually going to freaking carry it. I'm actually going to have it

00:29:46.460 on me because I can put that thing in my freaking pocket if I want it to. Right. But I have something 0.89

00:29:51.740 there. That makes sense. Yeah. I'm not going to have my 17 rounds and my bigger grip and a little

00:29:55.480 more comfortable, you know, handgun. I'm only going to have seven, eight rounds, whatever it is.

00:29:59.780 But at least I have seven or eight rounds. Yeah. Just having something and having it on

00:30:04.140 your person at all times is important. Exactly. And you just carry a backup mag or something. And

00:30:07.780 again, the magazines are pretty small. You can tuck those in your back pocket or whatever it is,

00:30:11.280 however you decide to carry it. And you know, now, now you got a mag plus one and you just got to get

00:30:16.840 comfortable doing your tactical reloads, quick reloads, whatever it is, and just get good at it.

00:30:21.880 What, uh, what, where should somebody start if they're looking at just having a handgun,

00:30:25.540 a firearm, maybe not a concealed carry, but just something they're going to shoot,

00:30:28.880 maybe a nine millimeter, 40, something like that. Where should somebody get started there?

00:30:32.600 Yeah. So, I mean, it all depends who you ask in the gun world. Everyone has their opinion. Mine

00:30:36.600 is basically a nine millimeter. So people come in and the things that are going to dictate what gun

00:30:41.520 they get is obviously the budget. What's the budget of the gun? Cause you can't just come in and say,

00:30:45.880 Hey, buy this gun. It's a thousand dollars, but it's the best one we have. Not everyone can afford it.

00:30:49.380 Right. So I'll lay out a bunch of options on the table and say, Hey, this is kind of the line of

00:30:53.480 guns. We have like a SIG 938, which is, you know, a little more high end. It's kind of fancier.

00:30:58.520 It's like a 600, a $700 gun. You got the Glock 43, the Smith and Wesson shield has been one of our

00:31:04.220 top sellers because it's like 385 bucks. Very inexpensive. And it's awesome. Nine millimeter,

00:31:10.780 I say nine millimeter caliber because you want these guys to go out and practice, right? And if you're

00:31:15.120 shooting 40, 45, ammo is a lot more expensive. You're spending about five to six bucks a box.

00:31:19.840 For your higher calibers where nine mil, you can buy a box of decent flinking ammunition for like

00:31:24.940 12 bucks for 50. All right. Right. So it's like, if it's not costing you as much, you're more likely

00:31:29.160 to go out and actually shoot the gun and train with it. Right. And then grip. So I'll have them

00:31:33.660 hold all the guns. Hey, these are the ones in your price range. Let's put your hands on it. See how it

00:31:37.780 feels. And right off the bat, most people were like, I don't like this one. I don't like this one,

00:31:41.660 but this one right here is really comfortable. Right. So they're picking it out. And if it's not

00:31:45.980 comfortable for them, they're not going to want to go shoot it. And they're not going to shoot it as well

00:31:49.300 as they will shoot a gun that fits good in their hands.

00:31:51.780 Yeah. And I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot of variables, right? You've got your hand size

00:31:54.820 fingers and the way you grip it, the way you hold it, all of that stuff probably plays a factor into

00:31:58.900 this. Oh, yeah, it is. My, you know, I got big banana hands, so I'm, I'm going for the bigger

00:32:03.340 grip guns, but there's, you know, your females and your guys with smaller hands or whatever. And 1.00

00:32:07.320 yeah, everyone likes different guns.

00:32:09.440 Yeah. So it just sounds like it's a matter of just getting out there, testing, going with people,

00:32:12.540 even that, that, that are already shooting or using their firearms, I'm sure is a huge advantage as

00:32:17.400 well. Cause you can see and find out what you like without having to purchase one right away.

00:32:20.740 Yeah, exactly. And then, so after that, then, like you said, you got to shoot the gun,

00:32:24.560 you got to let them shoot the gun before they buy it. Typically. And this is why in the range, 0.97

00:32:28.160 we have a, like a gun rental thing where any gun we have, you can rent at the, at the range.

00:32:32.940 We say, okay, these are the three you've kind of narrowed it down to. Now let's go shoot them 0.99

00:32:36.400 because of recoil on these guns, even though they're all nine millimeter, the springs and everything 0.99

00:32:40.020 else are all going to be a little bit different. So they're going to shoot a little bit different.

00:32:43.060 So even though they love the grip on one, when they go shoot it, I mean, they might be like,

00:32:46.180 you know what, actually it's kind of weird. It's got this or this or that. And I actually like the

00:32:51.000 way this one shoots better. You know, you can't really buy a gun online. It's something you got

00:32:54.720 to go to the store, hold, feel, touch, and then you actually even use before you decide to purchase it.

00:33:01.420 Right. Now, as far as maybe a semi-automatic rifle, would you suggest the AR? I mean,

00:33:05.680 is that the go-to or where, where would somebody get started there?

00:33:08.460 Yeah, it's, it's the most common. I mean, an AR-15 and again, uh, ammunition, it's not as expensive

00:33:13.760 as like an AR-10 or something like that. You can get 22 ARs, like the MMP-15-22 is a great gun.

00:33:21.360 That's one of my kids shoot. And 22 ammo is kind of hard to find these days, but it's, it's, it is

00:33:26.260 hard. It's becoming a little bit easier to find, but you're, you're paying a little more than what

00:33:29.960 you were, you know, five years ago. Why is it so difficult to find 22 rounds? You know, it's all

00:33:36.520 speculation. I can't, I can't give you like a hundred percent official answer, but when 223,

00:33:41.200 so after Sandy Hook, 223 was kind of impossible to find. And I think everyone started buying 22s

00:33:48.300 or everyone else, you know, all the ammo manufacturers ramped up their 22 or sorry, 223

00:33:54.140 production and kind of left 22 on the, on the curb. And then they had the shoe gym flux and now

00:34:01.160 they're playing catch up. The thing that sucks about it is anytime 22 becomes available,

00:34:05.800 people buy it, even though they don't need it because they're like, well, if I see it,

00:34:08.400 I'm going to buy it. Right. And they scoop it up.

00:34:10.740 We're just tweeting this demand. I mean, they're making as much as they used to nowadays,

00:34:14.460 but the demand is just people buy it again. People buy it who don't even have 22 ammunition

00:34:18.160 just to resell for more money.

00:34:20.400 When, uh, what was really interesting is when I bought my eight year old, we had a little

00:34:23.940 rite of passage for him and I bought him a little single, a single shot, the bolt, uh,

00:34:28.040 savage rifle, the youth model at the store. We bought it. They always reserve a box of 22s

00:34:32.860 when you buy the rifle. And so I, he got those 22s out and literally it was like a swarm of guys

00:34:40.340 came over. Hey, you have 22s. He's like, Nope, sorry. We've only got a reserve for those who buy

00:34:44.560 a firearm. Yeah. And we do the same thing too, because we don't want, like we get 22 and we

00:34:49.820 save like the 325 or 500 round bricks for people who buy the guns because we don't want to sell a gun

00:34:54.820 and be like, Hey, here's a gun. Good luck finding that. We'll see you later.

00:34:58.040 Right. You know, you want to be able to let them go out and shoot it right away because when you

00:35:01.120 buy a gun, most people want to go shoot it. Yeah. The AR-15 is probably our top seller. 0.99

00:35:05.160 What we do here is we actually build them for people. You can, you can come in and buy a Daniel

00:35:08.820 defense off over the counter, go home and, you know, be done with it. Or you can build it,

00:35:14.680 which is probably the biggest thing we do. And the reason for it is because they get what they want.

00:35:20.040 They have the pride of building the gun. They have the education of building the gun.

00:35:23.200 So now they know how it works, functions, where every little pin and spring goes,

00:35:27.500 know how to safely operate it. Where typically if you go to a gun store, you buy an AR-15,

00:35:31.660 you take it home, put a thousand rounds through it. And now it starts gunking up and misfeeding

00:35:35.760 and you don't know how to clean it because you've never done it before.

00:35:38.760 Right. So you're actually going through and doing the build with them.

00:35:41.800 Yeah. So we walk them through it. They build it themselves. We just kind of tell them where

00:35:45.440 everything goes.

00:35:46.760 Very cool. Yeah. That'd be a cool experience. Then there's the experience of it as well,

00:35:50.000 which is cool. I'm sure.

00:35:51.000 People, people love it. People love it. We have a bunch of father and sons that come in

00:35:54.680 and do it together. It's awesome. People love it. We love it. It's kind of a win-win for everybody.

00:35:59.340 Very cool. Yeah. I'm going to come up. I'm going to come up now. I got to do that and take advantage

00:36:02.760 of that. I like the father-son idea. I'm going to bring my boys up there and we'll do that together.

00:36:06.640 Yeah. It's awesome.

00:36:07.340 Cool. Well, Neil, hey, as we're winding down, I want to ask a couple of other questions. One of the

00:36:11.140 questions that I want to ask is actually was posed to me by a friend of mine. He's German. And I've heard this,

00:36:17.360 especially from a lot of foreigners who asked the question, why do Americans love firearms so much?

00:36:22.580 I'm really curious what your answer is to this. Because we can. I think that outsiders,

00:36:29.460 Australians or whoever it is, it's super curious to them. I think it's almost a sense of jealousy.

00:36:35.460 They're like, we can't freaking have guns here. It's total bullshit. You guys are all about your 1.00

00:36:39.800 guns. You get all these guns. You're posting pictures on your Instagram page. It's bullshit.

00:36:44.580 And it's like, hey, your country sucks. Sorry, man. And again, this goes back to the very beginning 1.00

00:36:51.240 of the conversation where it's like the gun laws don't necessarily keep people safe.

00:36:57.260 Sure.

00:36:57.340 Even in Australia, there was a mass shooting there. What was it, a year or two ago? And

00:37:00.340 they have the most strenuous gun laws there is in most countries. I think we like them because 1.00

00:37:05.160 they're fun to shoot. They come into, again, sporting events. Everybody loves sports. Hunting is huge

00:37:11.720 here in the US. And basically the ability, there's nothing more, I guess, masculine than

00:37:18.520 having the ability to defend your family, right? The ability that if someone tries to break in my

00:37:24.480 home at night or mess with my family while we're out to the movie theaters, I have the ability as a

00:37:29.820 man to defend anybody, anybody I want who could be in danger that's in my line of sight. I have that

00:37:37.200 ability.

00:37:38.040 That actually leads me into my next question, Neil. And I didn't even prepare you for this,

00:37:41.700 but it's a question I ask every single guest. And I think you alluded to it already, but what do you

00:37:46.840 think it means to be a man?

00:37:48.720 Well, basically everything we've been talking about, this is actually an easy question.

00:37:52.580 To be a man is to be able to provide, protect, support, right? Everything since the creation of

00:37:57.840 man. Like we've been given one job is to provide, right? We're the provider. And to provide also

00:38:03.140 means to protect. So my job as a father and a man and a business owner is to provide opportunity

00:38:09.080 to my wife, my kids, to give them a safe environment in which to do so and, you know,

00:38:16.260 educate. So I'm kind of like the leader of the pack, you know, like the alpha male, like the wolf,

00:38:21.900 the alpha male wolf of that pack to basically set these guys down the path of success. So that's,

00:38:28.660 that's kind of what I see is like, we're the, we're kind of a leader. We're a leader of our group,

00:38:32.540 of our pack, whatever it is that, you know, we do, my employees here, my job is to, you know,

00:38:38.840 this is outside of my family is to educate my employees, to give them opportunity, to help

00:38:42.800 them succeed. So I think that's the whole purpose and, and, uh, of a, of a male, of a man.

00:38:49.560 Right on. Yeah. I love it. I mean, we talk about the same thing, you know, we talk about provide,

00:38:53.440 protect, preside, which is leadership. So you hit on all those three. I wholeheartedly agree with you,

00:38:58.040 Neil. I really appreciate your time. I appreciate what you're doing, the work you're doing,

00:39:01.440 and then coming on and imparting some of that wisdom with us. If guys are listening to this,

00:39:05.580 they want to connect with you. They want to learn more about what you're doing or even come into

00:39:08.520 the range, which I know, what is it? It's like a 10,000 square foot, uh, facility that you're

00:39:12.460 opening up, right? Yeah. It's 20,000 square feet, 20,000, 10,000 on the range side, 10,000 on the

00:39:17.280 retail side. So yeah, if you're a local Utah here in the Utah County area, it's going to be the new

00:39:22.140 stores in Oramon state street, right across from the university mall. So the range will be open in

00:39:26.520 October. We're opening the retail side here in the next few weeks. So come see us, you know,

00:39:31.280 say hi. We, uh, at ready gunner at the store here, we, we try to provide basically great customer

00:39:37.080 service because it's something that's kind of hard to find in the gun community. You know,

00:39:41.300 there's a lot of belittling, patronizing where ready gunner, we try to treat everyone with respect 0.95

00:39:45.300 and answer every question we get, whether it's, you know, a good one or dumb one. So 0.96

00:39:48.840 right on. Cool, man. I'm looking forward to connecting with you. We'll, uh, we'll make links to

00:39:53.640 all of the information in the show notes. That way guys can check out your stuff. Neil,

00:39:57.100 again, I appreciate you. Thanks for coming on the show today, man. Awesome. Thanks for having

00:39:59.540 me around. I appreciate it. There it is guys, my friend, Mr. Neil Curry. If you're in the Northern

00:40:04.220 Utah area, I highly encourage you to check out his new store and range. I promise that you will not

00:40:09.560 be disappointed. And if you're not, you're missing out, but I hope that this provided you

00:40:13.220 with some information about what we as gun owners have a responsibility to do and to be. Now,

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Order of Man - September 27, 2016

OoM 080： The Responsibiliites and Fundamentals of Owning a Firearm with Neal Currey

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