Overcome the Resistance, Dealing with Negative Momentum, and Creating Your Own Demand ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING
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In this episode, we talk about how to bounce back after a tough weekend and how to deal with the ups and downs that life throws our way. We also talk about the impact of losing a loved one and how we have to move forward.
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart
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your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is
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who you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,
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you can call yourself a man. All right, brother, what's going on? I almost called Sean because he
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was on the podcast last week. I almost called him Kit. Did you listen to the podcast?
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Yeah, I did. I was like, hey, Kit. Wait, not Kit. You're Sean. Gotcha. All right. So now I'm
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back. And he took it as a compliment, I'm sure. Yeah, that was a compliment for Sean. He's like,
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oh, I'm moving up in life. I'm like here to here within literally two seconds. So of course he did.
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Man. You have a good weekend? Yeah, it was pretty good. I got a lot of stuff done around the house.
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I was supposed to be heading to Austin today. I'm not doing that. Long story. So we won't worry
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about it. And then yesterday I was actually going to pull the canoe down because I put it up for the
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winter and event season, all this kind of, this is what I say. The reality is like, I just put it up
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because I didn't want to sand anymore. So I was going to get it down yesterday. I'm like, all right,
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I'm going to sand it. We're going to sand out that hole, get that done. And then it started raining.
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I'm like, gosh, like talk about the resistance. If you guys haven't read the war of art by Steven
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Pressfield, read that. I have so much resistance kept in my life right now between me wanting to
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pull the canoe down yesterday. And then it's like, no, we're going to rain. It's like,
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it hasn't rained for like a month and you got to rain that day. Uh, or I was very frustrated last
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night. Cause I was talking to my wife about a potential surgery that I may have coming up.
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And I'm like, you know, resistance. I was so wanting to train. I was so disciplined. I was so
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committed. I was training no less than four days per week for weeks, like probably, probably years.
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And then this happens and I'm like, are you serious? You know what? It's like
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other interpersonal communication stuff. I don't need to get into that. I was like,
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you know, it's like, we're doing so well. We're on top of the world. And then all of a sudden it's
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like, this stuff happens and that comes up and you have an injury or you do something stupid or
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that rains. And it's like, gosh, dang, man, I don't mean to shit on anybody's parade today at all.
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But like, if you're dealing with bullshit right now, and I know a lot of you are,
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it just sucks. What, what else can I say? It just sucks. And so pivot, adjust,
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use it as an opportunity to get better, try to make amends, apologize or whatever, where you need
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to. And then just, just chalk it up to a learning experience and then just get like, get better
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because of it. Don't just dwell in your own misery. How was your weekend Kip on that note?
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Yeah. It was, you know, before I say that though, like I, I, I totally agree, man. Like I,
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I literally that the week that my, my dad started going downhill and it was kind of like, he went
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really downhill bad. And then the next week is, is kind of when he came home hospice and then passed
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away that weekend. And literally since then on almost probably 30 days past his death, maybe,
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maybe even until now, you know, I've, I've been kind of walking around. I was telling my wife,
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I'm like, I feel like I'm imploding my life, you know, like I was really happy and grateful for
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things. And I felt like I had like good momentum and stuff. And then I don't know if that just put me
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in an emotional state that I just got overly sensitive and then everything is like not good
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enough. Right. Or it's not the way I wanted, or it's not meeting expectations. And you know what I
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mean? And I'm like, I don't know. Like I, I really felt like at one point I'm like, I might just be a
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walking time bomb and I'm just looking for opportunity to destroy shit in my life. And it's
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really weird. So, um, but like to your point, right. It's like, okay, well, you know what?
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Opportunity to grow, right? Let's evaluate where's this coming from. And you know what I mean? And
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look and look for opportunity to, I don't know, look into it and grow from it. So,
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Isn't it interesting? You said a walking time bomb when I, when you said that, I was like,
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yeah, we self-sabotage. Yeah. Right. We have one external thing happen. That's unfortunate. Sure.
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Yeah. And, and I'm not trying to just dismiss or downplay your father's death or, you know,
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my father died three years ago. And, and I hate to say it was unfortunate. It's worse than that. It's,
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it's way worse than that, but kind of unrelated to these things that I'm, that I'm sabotaging though.
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Exactly. You don't have to compound it because this thing happened and yet we do it, you know,
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it's like, ah, my dad died. And so I'm going to start, you know, being a complete a-hole to my wife.
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Wait, what? Like, what does that have to do with the way you treat your wife? Or, you know,
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I'm dealing with this little, little injury I'm dealing with. And so, you know, I'm going to,
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I'm going to blow up order of man because I'm pissed. Wait, what, what are you talking about?
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Like, what does that have to do with anything order of man related? And yet we do it because
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you said it, I'm going to play the victim, throw a little pity party. You know, maybe I'll get some
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attention. I remember I got in a fight. This is a funny story. I got in a fight when I was,
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I think I was in seventh or eighth grade and the kid gave me a black eye and a bloody nose.
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Like he beat, he beat me up pretty good. Yeah. And so I had a black eye actually, no,
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I'm sorry. I didn't even have a black eye. I had a broken blood vessel in my eye. It wasn't even
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black. It was just, I broke a blood vessel and I got a bloody nose. Like it's a little fight,
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you know, no big deal. Yeah. And I remember I went to school. This was probably on like a Friday
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or Saturday. Me and this kid got in a fight over. It was legitimately, it was over a playboy
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magazine. It was his and you stole it or what? I can't exactly remember. I just remember naked
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women and a black guy. That's really like all I remember because it was an eighth grade or seventh
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grade. I think it was, I think we had found one and somebody, I can't even remember. Somebody had
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like tore it up and like threw it over all over the park. And then somebody's mom found it and then
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knew it was us. Like the, the group of boys that ran together. Yeah. And, uh, and then somebody
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ratted so-and-so out that it was there. Like what, like, who knows? I don't even know. And so we got
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in this little fight. Right. And I get to school, that was a Saturday or Friday and I get to school
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on Monday and I have this broken blood vessel, bro. I got like hugs and like all the girls were
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paying attention to me. And I'm like, I want to like deliberately punch myself in the eye
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next time. And like, and like, get some loving from these ladies. You're like, I don't need a
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playboy. I need a black eyes. All I, exactly. That's all I need. And then I look at it. What? 30 years
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later. That's what we do. We still do that. Yeah. Right. Like we're like, Oh, my life's hard. And
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all these things happen to me and people hate me and people are out to get me. And I have a black
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eye. And so like, maybe if I'm social media, I show you my black eye, you'll give me some attention.
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And so we laugh at that story about when I was, you know, 12, 13 years old about getting a black eye
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and all the cute girls at school give me a hug. Cause they saw how, you know, hurt I was.
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And I'm like, we haven't grown out of it. Like we're still playing the victim. We're still using
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that victim card in order to get what it is we want, whether it's the raise or the attention or
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the woman or the accolades or whatever. And it's kind of pathetic. Yeah. It's kind of pathetic, man.
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Totally. It brings up an interesting point though, is when we talk about momentum, we usually always
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talk about it from a positive perspective, but there's also, I I'm assuming, you know, I don't
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know, this is drawing the idea that there can be negative momentum, you know, and, and I think
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sometimes expectations don't get met. Things aren't going as we wish they would go. And it creates
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momentum and momentum of what else is not going well in my life. And in, you know, and it creates this,
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this movement of negativity, maybe, you know, and self-sabotage based upon what we're talking
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about. It's interesting. I never thought of momentum as maybe even being negative.
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I haven't either. But one thing I got thinking about, as you said, that is obviously you live
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in Northern Utah. We've got the, you know, the Rocky mountains and whatnot. There's no mountains
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here. People say they're mountains. They're not mountains, but in Utah, you have mountains.
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Yeah. Hills and hills. Uh, and you know what I'm talking about? You'll, you'll be going down,
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um, that highway. I don't know what it is from salt Lake up to like Heber and park city,
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that area. Yeah. Yeah. The 80, 80, 80. And you're coming down the 80 and there's all these
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turns like twists and turns and it's all, it's like the whole thing is downhill. Yeah. And,
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but every once in a while, you'll see, you know, runaway truck gravel pits. Yeah. A couple of them
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down that freeway in that short distance. Yeah. And so it was like, yeah, like if your brakes
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are out, you got to hit that gravel pit to slow yourself down. And I think that's a
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good point, you know, Kip and you and I, and I'm obviously we had a personal discussion
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before this. I'm not going to get into the specifics, but you know, there's some, some
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of that negative momentum based on some assumptions on both of our parts. And it's like, you know
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what? It's going to hurt. It's going to suck, but let's like, we got to hit the gravel
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pit. Yeah. Like we got to hit the gravel pit. We got to put the brakes on. We got to run
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into, if we let this keep going. Yeah. It's going to be, we're going to rat. Yeah.
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Right. So you had to let go of some of your pride. I had to let go of some of my pride.
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And then we have a good conversation for the last 40 minutes before we hit record. And it's
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like, cool. We hit the gravel pit, a little awkward, a little uncomfortable. You know, yeah,
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we had to be vulnerable, which is your favorite word or humble, humble, authentic. And then
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you're like, okay, you hit the gravel pit. You're like, all right, that wasn't totally
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comfortable, but like, we're safe. Like all is good. Let's reset, figure out what needs
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to be figured out and then get back on the path. Yeah. I like it. So I ran Ragnar, the
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I saw that trail relay. Yeah, man, you would love this. So first off, I went with a couple
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of guys from the IC, a handful of guys were in the IC was part of the team representing.
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It was awesome. I saw Greg Nielsen out there running his order of van shirt.
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Greg's going to hear this and he's going to maybe laugh, but I almost thought maybe Greg
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might be dying when I saw him on the trail and I messaged him. I said, dude, how are you doing?
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He's like, let's just say it was an eventful weekend. So I'm assuming there's more to the
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story, but you know, his kid, by the way, his kids are killers. I don't know if you know that
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his boys, his boys are runners. They are amazing. Okay. So this, so there might be some like dad's
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try to level up maybe a little bit harder than he should. I love Greg. I love Greg, but his boys are
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way better at running than him. Like their state champions, their track all-stars. I don't know if
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you knew that, but they are, they are runners. Yes. That's funny. Absolutely. I saw him on my eight
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miler and I'm like, and after we passed, I said to Asia, I'm like, we should have asked him if he
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was okay, if he needed some water. Cause I thought he's not looking very good, you know? So, but,
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but here's the part I wanted to share. That was super funny. So we're, we're pulling down camp on
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Saturday and I have my order man testosterone shirt on my order man swag, which you guys can get
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at store.order of man.com. And he goes, dude, I love that shirt. Do you want to trade shirts?
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And I'm like, sure, let's trade shirts. You know what I mean? So we did our, our little exchange
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shirt thing. And I ended up at some sweaty dudes, a CrossFit shirt from San Diego. And now he has the
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order of man, a testosterone shirt. So, but it was actually quite funny. Yeah. That is funny. Yeah.
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The testosterone builder isn't one that we even have available anymore. Cause it was hilarious and
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but it ran its course. Yeah. Um, but it was hilarious. Yeah, dude, that, that Ragnar is no
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joke. So that was my, I think that was my first event when I started to get in shape. That was the
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first event that I went and did up in Zion and it's different. So you've done the trail relay kind of,
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kind of. So the Ragnar, I think that's one of the only ones where they do it. Like it's a,
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it's a trail instead of just the road. Yeah. You camp and you do loops. Yeah. Yeah. So I did my,
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if I remember right, there was like an eight miler and like a five or six miler, if I remember right.
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Yeah. There's two 4.5s. That's what it was changed from last year, but two 4.5s and one 7.8.
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Oh no. So we had like a five ish, an eight ish and a 13 ish. Ooh, that's fun. And so I did my,
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the first thing I did and I don't run, I'm not a runner at all. Yeah. Zero. The first thing I did
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is the five miler and that was in the afternoon. And I was like, that was cool. Like that was
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enjoyable. And then I got woken up at 2 AM and I'm like, Hey, it's time for your eight miler.
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And at first I was like, this sucks. But then I was running through the forest and I felt like an
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Indian, like, cause there was, it was just the stars and, you know, maybe a glow stick here and
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there. Awesome. It was awesome. And I'm like, okay, well that was cool. Like an eight miler. I was,
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it was like 2 AM. I mean, that was awesome. And then I wake up at like six or seven. Cause that's
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when my next 13 miler was and maybe it was 11. I can't remember exactly whatever, but that was when the
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big one was. And I'm like, Oh, this one's going to suck. And I woke up and my tent is like in my
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face. Like I'm laying my back and the tents in my face. And I'm like, what's going on? I'm like,
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push my hand out and I get out of the tent and it had snowed and I get out of the tent and there's
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this van that's backing up. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I stop them. My buddy's tent was right there.
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He almost ran it over. There was that much snow on the ground. Yeah. And we stopped them. He was like
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a foot or two away from running over my buddy. Yeah. Cause his tent's all flattened out.
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Couldn't even see the tent. Yeah. So then I go into the chow hall. Cause there was like this big,
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like food place, if I remember right. And I'm like, all right, well, I'll get some breakfast.
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The guy that's running before me is probably going to finish up in the next 20 or 30 minutes. I'll
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just grab a quick bite and then I'll go run. And I'm dreading it. Cause it's a long race,
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the long portion of the race. And I get my food and they come in and they're like, Hey,
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the race has been canceled. No way. Because the guys that were on the trail were literally up to
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their shins and knees and just water and mud and cold. And so they canceled the race and they still
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gave us our things. And I'm like, well, like we didn't finish, you know, technically. And they're
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like, ah, but you were here. I'm like, okay. So I got a participation trophy from the Ragnar.
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So I'm like, I don't even think I don't have it displayed. Cause I didn't finish it. It's like
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a participation trophy, but yeah, I got two thirds of the way through a Ragnar race. One time.
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I've heard about that story of it snowing up there before. Like someone told me about it.
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Yeah. It was crazy. Yeah. Yeah. It's fun. I was grateful that I got out of the 13 miler. Let's
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just put it that way. Yeah. My first run with, so we had two teams and so we could run with our spouses.
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It was kind of the idea. Yeah. That's fine. And, um, so my time was really bad. Cause you know,
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I had to run with my wife, but right. Of course. Yeah. But, um, hopefully she has what I was going
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to say. Oh, hold on. So I timestamp this so I can. Yeah. Yeah. So I, um, totally, um, maybe,
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maybe I shouldn't share this on the podcast. So had a burrito the night before totally wrecked me.
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And I was like, I was up all night long shitting all night long. So I got zero sleep. Woke up in
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the morning. I'm like, babe, this may go South, you know? So I'm like, bring some wet wipes.
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Cause I might just be taking the dump in the middle of this run. You gotta do what you gotta
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do. How this is going to work out. Luckily it didn't happen, but I'm like, oh man, I just feel
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like crap. But by the third round, I was like, woo, I'm renewed. I'm young again. Yeah. It was
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great. But that first one was brutal. I thought I was going to die. I've, I've had friends that
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literally shit themselves on marathons. They're like, I'm not stopping because they're poo. They're
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racing. Right. But they just shit. I'm like, no, there's no, there's no, I can't. I mean,
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maybe there is apparently there is, but I can't think of a race that I care so much. But again,
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I'm not ever going to be in the contention in a running race like ever. So I can stop at the
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Port-A-John and do my business and get back on without worry about losing anything. Well, think of
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it this way. So, so some of these people, so they're not, maybe some of these people are not
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winning to, or not running to win. They're trying to qualify. But they're running for a time to
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qualify. And so if you've done a couple of marathons and you didn't hit the qualifying time to go to
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Boston and now you're doing exactly. And now you're doing good. And if you potentially stop,
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you're not going to qualify to go to Boston. I don't know. I think I would piss myself. I think
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I would, I could go to Boston. It's crazy. I'm not run, but I could actually go to Boston
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and not have to run. They have, they have an airport in Boston. Yeah. You could just fly into
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and just enjoy Boston. Yeah. You don't have to run. You can enjoy yourself. You can eat,
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you know, oysters and look at, you know, American history and you don't even have to run a marathon.
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And the other cool thing is you could do it when the marathon's not happening and you don't have to
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deal with traffic and people. It's awesome. You should guys try it. It's actually quite amazing.
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Yeah. It's amazing. All right. Questions. Let's do it. Yeah. We got to do. All right. We're
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days back up about 30 days, a little less than. Okay. Josh Langdon for both of you, what were your,
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were your two or three takeaways from the man in caged event? He's probably asking Sean this,
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but luckily I was there as well. So I can share my opinion, but so takeaways from man in caged.
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I mean, for me, I got to be involved in, in the planning, in the structure and the organization of
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it. And so for me, I wasn't just a regular attendee. I was able to be there and be involved in
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all the behind the scenes, which I'd never done before. So that was really cool. And I'll just
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tell you, my biggest takeaway is just be around the right people, add value to people's lives,
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enhance people's lives, try to serve other people. And then you get a seat at their table.
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And that's really cool. And I will say, and I'm not, I'm going to say this
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tactfully is that that's, that's my table. Yeah. Like it isn't anybody else's table. I'm the one
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that invited all those people. I'm the one that, uh, with, with help again, I'm not trying to be
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arrogant, but like, but you're the, I had to create that table. Yeah. Right. I'm like, Hey,
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I want you at the table. Kip. I want you at the table. John, Pedro, Tanner, Jack, Matt,
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Steven Mansfield. Those are all my connections. I'm like, well, I want you guys at this table.
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So I got to handpick who I wanted to take at the table. And that was cool. Yeah. That was really
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cool. Sometimes we're like searching around for everybody else's table and how do we get involved
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in other people's stuff? And that's good. You should, you should add value to those people's
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lives. I think there's another question about adding value here in a minute. Um, but like create
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your own table. That was my biggest takeaway is like be worthy of creating your own table that other
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people want to be part of. I like it. Um, I'm assuming guys can still stand up, sign up to watch
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the recorded stream. Do you know the details of that? Okay. Yeah. If you just go to man on cage.com,
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I think it still says virtual conference, but if you just sign up, you're going to get access to all
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the recordings. Yeah. So, um, so what I'm about to say, I didn't want to say this if guys weren't
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had that option. Um, man, I, it's funny. I would have assumed coming into the event that I would
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have resonated with certain speakers more than others and their topic. And Jack Donovan's
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was so cool. You'll never hear anywhere else. Yeah. And was so spot on. I thought, you know what?
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That's a really like, it's an angle around masculinity that I never heard anyone kind of
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talk about to be Frank. And it was, it was awesome. Like I really, really resonated with Jack's, um,
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presentation. Um, and, and that was, and, and kind of the takeaway, and I've had this mentality a
00:22:02.080
little bit of, it's funny society makes constructs, right. And distinctions or whatever. And I think
00:22:12.500
some of those distinctions we fall into and, and, and I don't know why I shouldn't even be careful or
00:22:18.760
act like I'm trying to be careful with what I'm saying, but we do this shit already. So I'm just
00:22:23.260
going to go with it. So if a guy is overly feminine and shows up slightly feminine, maybe the way he speaks
00:22:30.360
or the way he dresses or whatever, what does society do? Oh, he must be gay. Like almost
00:22:36.940
instantly versus like, well, maybe he's not gay. Actually, maybe he's just a little bit more
00:22:42.060
feminine. And, and I wonder how many times someone might be a little bit more feminine or someone or
00:22:50.080
a female might be a little bit more masculine. And then they start assuming that they're gay.
00:22:55.780
They start assuming these things because everyone's kind of pigeonholed them into this
00:23:00.420
bucket versus like, Oh no, you're just, you know, you like these things, right. Or you're just maybe
00:23:07.220
a little bit more of a feminine guy. And maybe you might be more attracted to a more masculine woman
00:23:11.800
or, or whatever. And, and I've always had that kind of thought is like, I wonder how often we,
00:23:17.880
we pigeonhole ourselves or put ourselves into buckets based upon how society interacts with us.
00:23:23.020
And it was really interesting because it's kind of aligned a little bit with Jack Donovan's,
00:23:28.360
you know, talk around how masculine men have kind of removed themselves out of the arts because the
00:23:35.500
arts have been kind of coined as more feminine. Yeah. And because they've been more feminized,
00:23:41.620
it's like, and I used to think that all the time. I'm like, why can't there be a masculine
00:23:46.540
ballet dancer? Like, why does he have to start talking different? Why does he have to now be
00:23:54.080
more feminine? Why? Right. Or why gay people talk like that? Totally. Or why does the skateboarder
00:24:00.660
kid have to dress like a skateboarder? Why can't he love skateboarding and be a preppy and dress
00:24:08.100
different, but just love something. And it's very interesting how we latch our identities onto,
00:24:13.880
whether it's the music we listen to, or if I'm part of the band or I'm a jujitsu player or whatever.
00:24:20.760
And all of a sudden now I start dressing different. I talk different and all these things. Why? Because
00:24:26.480
some social grouping collective said that you need to dress a certain way. If you listen to this kind
00:24:31.860
of music, or you have to act a certain way, if you are more feminine or masculine.
00:24:36.520
But I actually don't think it's that. I mean, I do agree that it's a silly. I don't think that we
00:24:42.360
feel like, Oh, why do I have to start dressing that way? I think that as for example, jujitsu
00:24:48.600
or anything, it doesn't matter. Like ballet is probably a bad example actually. Cause most guys,
00:24:54.900
they don't, there's not a, I don't know. Go ahead. No, I think there's a culture of jujitsu.
00:25:00.520
I know, but I don't think a bunch of guys change the way they dress and handle themselves to fit
00:25:06.320
the culture. Oh, you think so? A hundred percent. Oh yeah. A hundred percent. Okay. Yeah. A hundred
00:25:11.740
percent. So I was talking with Pete, he's been in jujitsu a long time. He's like, I can, I can just
00:25:15.700
look at somebody and tell by the way they carry themselves and walk, whether or not they do jujitsu.
00:25:21.240
And I believe that's true. Yeah. I do believe that. Yeah. But I think people, and the more immersed you
00:25:27.400
get into a thing, whether it's jujitsu or ballet or singing or podcasting or whatever, the more
00:25:32.400
immersed you get into it, the more you start to look like the architect archetypical fill in the
00:25:37.860
blank. Yeah. And I don't think it's this like weird trivial bullshit either. I actually think it's
00:25:44.540
hard, hardwired into us to be part of the tribe. Like take, take, um, you know, who identified the
00:25:53.720
tribe, like the trial scene. Is that the tribe over time? Yeah. I mean, yeah, there was always
00:26:00.540
the B the person who started it. Right. Yeah. Like there's always one and then there's two,
00:26:05.320
but the tribe, like, so I went to Mexico where you were down there, uh, December of last year
00:26:10.420
and Jordan Stanley, good friend of ours, big advocate for what we're doing, met me down there.
00:26:15.520
And, and it was funny. Like we looked at each other, we were in the exact same thing.
00:26:19.380
Like he had some either, either jeans on or some khaki, you know, pants and a black order
00:26:25.080
of man shirt and a camo order of man hat or a green order of man hat and a beard.
00:26:30.280
Yeah. That's an order of man guy. Yeah. Or the, or the picture we took, every guy had a beard,
00:26:35.860
but one, you know, cause I think we got tons of comments like, Oh, someone didn't have a beard
00:26:40.500
to do this yet. Yeah. But like, I don't think it's trivial. I actually think it's, I think it's
00:26:46.440
actually an integral part to being part of society. That's one of the things that I see wrong with
00:26:50.300
America is that I love that we're so diverse and we have this like melting pot of all these different
00:26:55.680
people. But at the same time, nobody's required to assimilate into a culture. There is no American
00:27:01.020
culture. There used to be, but it isn't anymore because we've brought in everybody and everybody
00:27:07.960
has their own culture. And then what do they do? They isolate themselves. So you have pockets of
00:27:12.740
different cultures and different countries around. And you'll be like, yeah, New York,
00:27:16.920
that's a big population of Jewish people. It's like, well, why New York? Why couldn't it be,
00:27:20.500
you know, rural Maine? Like, why isn't it? Well, it's because we're trying to survive.
00:27:27.900
And yes, the threat of us, the threat of us having to face some sort of violent encounter or
00:27:33.660
potentially meet our demise prematurely is, is definitely declined over the past hundred to
00:27:40.920
500,000 years. There's still that thing built into us. Like, no, I want to be part of the
00:27:46.740
jujitsu club because what it signifies to me and other people is that I'm strong. I'm healthy.
00:27:52.420
I'm capable. I care about defending myself or somebody who's, um, Tanner's a great example.
00:27:59.460
Tanner's not gay, but like a lot of people, he dresses really well. So a lot of people might say,
00:28:03.140
oh, that guy's gay. Yeah. Or alternatively, he cares about his appearance. He understands the
00:28:08.960
importance of it. He likes the way that he looks. He, that aesthetic is important to him. It makes
00:28:13.580
him feel good. And yet we put ourselves into these tribes because there's a benefit to us.
00:28:21.360
Yeah. Right. There's a benefit to us for doing it. I think about it on a surface level of, of sports.
00:28:28.580
If you take the Patriots, like there's no, there's no guessing as to why somebody would put, uh, a,
00:28:34.200
a Patriots uniform on like that does not play for the Patriots. Like they have a, this incredible
00:28:39.480
dynasty of, of winning, but why in the world would anybody put a Browns uniform on?
00:28:47.120
Yeah. Other than there's something in it. Right. And there's something in it for them. We're the
00:28:52.680
underdog. Like we're tough. And no, the fact that nobody, we're the rebels, nobody likes us. And yet
00:29:00.440
we still believe in the track, like there's value in that. Yeah. And it isn't to me, it isn't surface
00:29:07.040
level. It's deep. It's really deep. Um, and, and it's kind of frustrating because we do isolate
00:29:15.520
ourselves. I wish sometimes even as American culture, we would, we call ourselves the melting
00:29:20.080
pot, but really what we're not, it's like, it's like oil and water, you know, you pour, pour oil and
00:29:25.720
water into a big pot or a cauldron. They separate like they don't, they don't mix. And so you might
00:29:33.020
call it a melting pot. But to me, when I hear melting pot, I'm like, Oh, melting. Like we take
00:29:36.820
all of these different cultures and we combine them into one, but that's not actually what's
00:29:40.680
happening. What we start to see pockets of diversity, but diversity to me means you take
00:29:47.660
your ideas. I take my ideas and we're, we melt, we merge, but that isn't what's happening.
00:29:52.160
This is a whole lot of isolation and it's tribal and it's ancestral and it's a survival
00:29:58.080
technique. And it's something that we'll just never grow out of. Yeah. I, I think what I'm
00:30:04.300
getting out of this is just intentionality of, do you want to be part of that tribe or what that
00:30:12.640
tribe's made up of? You know, cause I use the analogy of like, well, I like this music or I want
00:30:17.900
to be a skateboarder, but now I have to start, you know, maybe ask yourself like, Oh, you know,
00:30:21.880
I want to skateboard, but do I want to be part of that tribe? Right. Does that tribe represent
00:30:26.840
what's best for me? Is it going to benefit me overall? Or can I just participate in that sport
00:30:33.440
and not necessarily, you know what I mean? Tie my identity to that grouping. Right. And you should
00:30:39.000
be able to do that with things that don't matter, like skateboarding. Like it really doesn't. Now,
00:30:43.440
when we're talking about moral issues and you have the left versus the right, I think that's become
00:30:47.540
more of a moral discussion and I'm not interested in tying myself to an immorality.
00:30:52.500
Skateboarding is not immoral. Yeah. You know, I, I actually would the, so I was big into CrossFit
00:30:58.780
years ago, probably like three, three to six years ago. That was like my gap where I was big into
00:31:03.420
CrossFit and they would have these things at CrossFit and they'd have tournaments. And I never
00:31:07.500
got into CrossFit culture. Cause I'm like, I'm not, I don't care about the culture. I care about
00:31:12.280
health. I care about taking care of myself. And so I'd never got into the culture of CrossFit,
00:31:17.900
although I was big into CrossFit at the time. Yeah. Interesting. All right. Jerry McNally,
00:31:24.600
as a single man, what ideas or ways can you fill your time without spending too much money?
00:31:29.940
I often find myself doing all kinds of fun things to keep from sitting in front of the TV
00:31:34.320
and then find myself broke at the end of the week.
00:31:36.940
Yeah. That's, that's a good question. Cause I don't know anything that doesn't cost money.
00:31:43.760
It all costs money. Here's one that doesn't cost. Well, initially it will, but it might actually
00:31:50.160
yield a result is start a business. Yeah. Like, you know, as a single man, if you had time on your
00:31:58.840
hands, I'm not, I would never hope that I was single cause I hate that world and dating and all
00:32:04.040
that kind of stuff. But if I was single, you know how much I could ramp up the order of man stuff.
00:32:09.460
Yeah. I mean, every, yeah. Every married guy would be like, you know how productive I would be.
00:32:14.920
Yeah, for sure. So, I mean, one thing you could do is you could just start a business
00:32:20.740
and yeah, you're, you're going to have to invest in whatever tools are required for the trade. But
00:32:25.280
at the end of the day, that's a business. So that's an investment in yourself. And that's one way
00:32:29.740
to keep yourself occupied, to add value to people's lives, to make yourself better,
00:32:33.520
and to make money while you're doing something that's meaningful and important to you.
00:32:36.600
Whether it's taking pictures or a woodworking or starting a podcast or any number of things,
00:32:43.200
selling art, you could do that and you could find a way to make money doing it. And then you won't
00:32:48.240
have to worry about how much it's costing you. You're actually making money doing the thing you enjoy.
00:32:56.260
What about you though? What, what, are there some things that you would say? Like,
00:33:00.920
What's on my mind. Right. I just start, go trail run, run.
00:33:06.160
Yeah. Camp, backpacking. But I mean, I get that there's some gear element to that, but
00:33:12.480
I mean, there is, but not really. Yeah. Like, come on. You've already got some hiking boots.
00:33:17.800
You've already got a pair of pants that you could wear. You've already got some lightweight stuff.
00:33:21.700
You've probably got a 50 or $60 backpack of some sorts that you can use. Like, come on. And also,
00:33:27.600
you know, you could borrow stuff. Like if I was not a backpacker, I'd call you up and be like,
00:33:31.960
Hey Kip, I'm going backpacking. Can I borrow one of your, your rucks and be like, yeah, sure.
00:33:35.660
And I would just borrow it. And it wouldn't be a big deal. Or, or you're like, Hey, I need a tent.
00:33:40.940
It's like, cool. Just borrow somebody's tent. They'll help you out. No problem.
00:33:44.980
Well, and that's the other side of backpacking. That's super fun is the minimalist side of it.
00:33:49.540
Go make a buddy burner. You don't remember those from boy scouts with a tuna can make yourself a
00:33:56.920
buddy burner. Do your own bed roll, man. You don't need money.
00:34:01.580
Well, here's another thing you could do anyway. And I don't know if this is here. Maybe you think it's
00:34:08.720
wrong. Tell me if you think this is wrong. Okay.
00:34:10.560
Okay. So you can organize something and let's say the thing is going to cost. Let's say it's
00:34:18.440
going to cost a thousand dollars. Maybe it's like a camp and you have to pay a thousand dollar fee
00:34:23.740
or like something, or it's a hunt and the hunt's going to cost, you know, $4,000. And so let's just
00:34:33.520
say, let's just say it's a thousand for the sake of math and you can have 10 people involved.
00:34:37.660
And so you're like, okay, well, everybody can pay, you know, $100. Tell me if this,
00:34:43.940
you think this is wrong. It's like, well, I organized it. So everybody else is going to pay
00:34:48.220
$110. And then they pay my, like, I don't pay a thing, but they pay 110 and that covers my entrance
00:34:54.960
fee to it. As long as you're communicating it. Okay. That's fair. Yeah. That's fair. I think as long
00:35:01.240
as you're like, Hey, and just so you know, you know what I mean? Since I'm organizing and putting
00:35:05.520
this together, you know, I'm not, I'm not paying the full amount. Right. Yeah. Okay. So yeah,
00:35:12.180
I think that's a good distinction is, and I, I haven't done that. Like I got a hunt that's coming
00:35:16.660
up in Hawaii. I told you about, and we each pay a fee and I could probably like say, Hey, it's this
00:35:23.140
much instead of this much. And I don't think anybody would balk at that. I pay my own fee because
00:35:27.080
I just think, I don't know. I'm just kind of brainstorming a little bit. Would it be wrong
00:35:31.820
to not pay my own fee and have you guys cover my fee? It's just like a philosophical question to
00:35:38.000
consider. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Hmm. All right. Drew, Drew Sands. What are a few ways you've been
00:35:46.900
able to add value to other professionals that have allowed you to open up access to their network?
00:35:54.480
Well, they've all been able to add value. Yeah. They've allowed me to because I have added value.
00:35:59.160
Yeah. Right. And so the real thing is not how can you add value, but the real question is
00:36:04.600
what do they need right now? Hmm. And are you aware of it? Yeah. Because if you're like,
00:36:11.280
how can I add value? You might just be beating your head against the wall because you don't,
00:36:15.360
you don't know what they need. I don't know. Yeah. You know, I have no idea. So a great example of
00:36:20.140
this would be Josh Smith. We just did a podcast with Josh Smith. He's the co-founder of
00:36:23.780
Montana knife company and Josh Smith. Nice. And I went up there and I spent, uh, I think I was up
00:36:29.940
there for, I was up there for four days. It should have been three, but I got my flights canceled.
00:36:34.420
Uh, and I spent time with him and his wife. He had me stay at their house. He took, you know,
00:36:39.700
two days out of his work schedule to help me build a knife. In fact, I'll show it to you guys.
00:36:44.300
Cool. Um, you know, why, why would he do that? Like, why would anybody do that? Well, because
00:36:53.200
there's something in it for him and I don't, I don't take that wrong. This is the night. I don't
00:36:58.260
know if you can see the right angle. It's awesome. This is the knife that I, that I forged there with
00:37:03.460
him. Um, well for him, it's like, he's got Montana knife and he's trying to get this out to the masses
00:37:11.440
and the people who listen to our podcast are obviously, you know, I think more inclined to
00:37:16.260
buy a knife from a, a, a U S made knife from him. So that makes sense. We'll do a podcast together.
00:37:22.400
I'll put it out there on the, on the waves and the, and in return, like you got me out and help
00:37:27.480
me fill, forge a knife. And that's good. When I reached out to Jocko initially, it was, it was
00:37:32.060
extreme ownership. He wanted to sell that book. So it's like, cool. I'll help you sell books,
00:37:36.700
like figure out what they want and help them get what they want. Like, don't worry about what you
00:37:43.600
can offer. Don't worry about how to add value. The first question is what does this person need?
00:37:49.800
They need to sell books. They need to sell knives. They need to sell their course. When I reached out
00:37:53.740
to TJ Dillashaw before he was suspended, I think he's coming back now. Uh, he had, he had just opened
00:38:00.180
up a fitness course called rain. I believe it was R E I G N. And I reached out to him on Instagram.
00:38:06.720
And I'm like, Hey, I know you've got a fight coming up. Um, but you've also got this program
00:38:11.040
and I think I can help introduce guys to this program. Would you like to do a podcast? He's
00:38:15.240
like, yeah, man. Surprisingly, he messaged me back. He's like, yeah, you know, uh, I would like to,
00:38:21.500
but, um, I'm busy with fight camp and I'm like, Hey, no problem. And he re he talked to his
00:38:26.840
like producers or somebody. And in the meantime, he messaged me back. He's like, Hey, these guys
00:38:31.040
really think I should do it. Cause we'll help with rain. I'm like, right. Exactly. Like I'm
00:38:36.100
going to figure out what you want. Uh, Mike Chandler, another great example. Did an interview
00:38:40.560
with him twice now, just a couple of weeks ago before his big fight, which was awesome.
00:38:45.420
I know you like you saw, I wasn't able to watch it, but I saw, you know, the, the, the aftermath.
00:38:51.500
Oh my gosh. But I also watched that guy fight like train. I was like, yeah, no, I get it.
00:38:56.840
Like guy. And I actually got to roll with him around too. And he was just toying with me,
00:39:02.940
which was hilarious. Cause you could tell I wasn't going hard. Cause I knew he had a fight
00:39:07.200
and I didn't want to hurt him. Not that I could hurt him. That's not what I'm saying,
00:39:10.520
but there's always a freak chance that if I do something stupid, like, you know, catch him with
00:39:15.340
an accidental knee or something that I could, you know, hurt him. I mean, or even just slightly.
00:39:19.780
I mean, I can't count how many times guys in fight camps were rolling hard and someone catches an
00:39:25.560
elbow or knee and they get cut. Right. They can't fight. They can't fight. Yeah. Or they're
00:39:32.080
diminished. There's not enough time to, to heal that cut. And they had to get stitches. I mean,
00:39:37.200
right. You know, or you and I can mess you and I were, were doing technique and you were trying
00:39:44.280
something and I did something cause it didn't feel good. And then I hurt your knee. Yeah. And we
00:39:49.740
already had active rolling. Yeah. Benign, like just, just a simple little stupid thing, you know?
00:39:54.900
So, but, uh, but yeah, no, I knew he had a fight coming up and I know he's obviously somebody who
00:40:01.960
gets the marketing component. He's a fighter for sure, but he also understands the marketing
00:40:06.760
component of the, the Michael Chandler brand. And so I said, bro, I'm going to help you get more guys
00:40:13.360
that are going to watch your fight. They're going to be in tune with you. They're going to want to
00:40:16.180
buy your things or listen to you in the future or sign up for social media. And so I'm going to fly
00:40:21.440
my ass down there, which isn't cheap. And I'm going to fly another guy down there, my video guy,
00:40:26.700
which isn't cheap. And then we're going to spend, I probably spent an hour and a half total with,
00:40:32.640
with Michael. Yeah. That's it. And I was gone for, you know, that took a minimum of two of my days
00:40:41.220
and I spent an hour and a half with him. Yeah. Because I want him to win because I know what's
00:40:46.600
important to him and I find it. And then I find ways to add value and it's an investment into them.
00:40:52.580
And I know that I will get what I want from it as well. Ryan, I'm assuming some guys might be
00:40:57.480
mistaken and think that, okay, what I'm hearing Ryan say is I need to ask them, oh, what kind of value
00:41:04.160
can I add? So maybe provide your opinion there. Yeah. Don't ever, I mean, asking is not bad,
00:41:10.000
but if you guys reached out to me and you said, Hey, Ryan, I've heard you on the podcast about adding
00:41:14.540
value and I really like what you're doing. Can, can you tell me how I should add value to your life?
00:41:19.860
Well, actually you didn't just not add value to my life. You actually took value from me
00:41:25.340
because what you're really asking me to do, right. Or even just respond back to you.
00:41:30.820
Yeah. Like, do you think I have time to be responding back to a hundred or a thousand
00:41:35.200
emails? Nobody has time for that. And so if you're like, Hey, I want to add value to life.
00:41:39.400
How can I do it? I'm like, okay, well you're out because you just told me to add value to your life
00:41:45.020
when you're trying to cloak it under adding value to mine. Right. Another way to do it. And I thought
00:41:50.620
about this with man on caged event. Let's say somebody reached out to me like, Hey Ryan, I'd love to have
00:41:54.080
you on the podcast. And you know, I can talk with you about whatever. A lot of the times people reach out to
00:41:58.140
the pod for, for me to be on their podcast. And I'm not joking, Kip, this sounds hilarious,
00:42:02.900
but it's true. These guys will literally say, Hey, I'd love to have you on the podcast. Cause it
00:42:08.960
will really help me promote my brand. That's awesome. I mean, I can appreciate you want to grow
00:42:16.060
your, your brand, but like, do you hear yourself? Yeah. You want me to come on your podcast so you can
00:42:26.040
promote your organization. Awesome. How much, how much are you paying me then? Like what's the,
00:42:32.540
yeah. How's this a win-win? Yeah. That's a silly, silly thing. Right. And so here's what I would do
00:42:40.420
is if I, let's say, let's take man on cage. Cause we were talking about earlier, if I had, you know,
00:42:44.700
Bedros and, and John Lovell and all these guys speaking. And I was like, man, I'd really like to
00:42:50.540
have Bedros on the podcast. You know what exact, here's exactly what I would do. And I say exactly,
00:42:54.820
cause this is what I did. I'd reach out to Bedros and I'd say, Hey, Bedros, I have a podcast. It's
00:43:00.560
called order of man. And I know you have an event in three weeks called man on caged. And, um,
00:43:07.280
I'm come, I paid for a ticket to come to man on caged. And I actually got five of my buddies
00:43:12.300
to buy tickets and all six of us are coming out there. And I thought it would be really cool to
00:43:18.620
have you on the podcast, not only to promote to these six guys, but other guys will be there.
00:43:23.640
And then that way, when us six or seven or eight or 10 of us get there, they'll already have a
00:43:28.520
connection with you. And that way, when you speak, like they'll, they'll see, and they'll
00:43:32.360
have a deeper connection with you. Okay. Well, immediately what I did is I'm like, I, I literally
00:43:37.940
had people. So if it's 700 bucks times six people, you know, that's a 4,200, right? I just
00:43:45.440
created $4,200 in revenue for you. And all I'm asking in return is for you to spend 40 minutes
00:43:53.200
with me on a podcast. I'm much more likely to land that podcast. And the guy who says, Hey,
00:43:59.480
I just really think you could help me blow up my business. I don't care about your business.
00:44:03.940
I care about mine. Yeah. So why not? And I feel if you really cared, Ryan, like guys would be
00:44:10.020
listening to the podcast. They know, they know what you're up to. They know what upcoming events,
00:44:14.780
they know what kind of industry, what kind of avenues you're working in. And so in most cases,
00:44:19.600
if you don't know how to provide value or you don't have some ideas, it's probably because
00:44:24.340
you're not consuming or consuming their content enough, or you're not aware of them enough as an
00:44:30.980
individual to know how you can serve. Yes. And that's on you. If you want to connect with somebody,
00:44:37.760
then you invest. Don't ask other people, don't ask that person to invest. Like, why would I reach out
00:44:43.520
to Bedros and say, Hey, Bedros, I really like what you're doing. How can I help? Yeah. That's not his
00:44:48.000
job. His job's not to find me work. It's your job. So if you want to add value, you do the research,
00:44:55.560
you put in the legwork and then figure out what it is and then do it. And also I would say this,
00:45:01.800
do it without expectation of anything in return. A lot of that stuff will return, but just do it
00:45:06.960
because you care. Right. So I had a guy reach out to me. He's, he's an artist and gosh, I feel bad
00:45:15.560
because I'm drawing a blank right now. I'm going to pull it up because I just can't for whatever
00:45:22.900
reason. Anyways, Sarge died and I had two, two guys reach out on Instagram. Hey man, can I do
00:45:28.340
some artwork for you? Like, just send me a picture of Sarge and I send him a picture and, you know,
00:45:35.440
within a matter of, you know, three or four weeks, they sent something back. And one of them's a very
00:45:39.460
realistic oil painting, probably 12 by 12. And I have it, I have it framed and it's in our living
00:45:46.960
room. And the other one's probably, I would say maybe like 15 by eight. And it's a, you know,
00:45:53.420
full profile of Sarge and it's a little bit more abstract and I have it hanging in the hallway.
00:46:00.660
Those guys didn't have to do that. That's meaningful and important to me. And now I look
00:46:05.360
at those guys, I'm like, Oh, cool. And the, and, and one of them, the abstract I've bought
00:46:10.580
two other paintings from him. Like I've literally I've commissioned him to like, I've paid him.
00:46:17.280
I'm like, Hey, I want you to build. And so I have another one in my living room from the same guy
00:46:21.160
who did Sarge. And he did one of a canoe, me and Brett building a canoe. It's an abstract painting
00:46:27.820
and it's in the living room. And I paid him to do it because he led with value. And he didn't ever say,
00:46:33.100
Hey, if you need anything else. No, I reached out to him because he cared enough about me to reach out
00:46:38.560
in a moment of pain and say, Hey man, like I would like to honor that relationship you had
00:46:42.920
with your dog here, like here, nothing, no expectation of anything. I liked it. I really
00:46:48.420
liked it. I'm like, Hey, by the way, do you do other stuff? Yeah. I want you to commission you
00:46:52.060
to do this. And he did it. And it's beautiful. Yeah. That's great. I have to only do one more
00:46:58.900
question, man. I know we're on, we ran out of time really fast. What do you got? Yeah. You asked
00:47:03.000
that question. Okay. I got you because now I feel bad. I I'm a total jerk for not,
00:47:08.560
but I was going to actually ask the question. I was going to message you and say, Hey,
00:47:11.180
maybe make a post later, but yeah, it's Graham. It's yeah, here it is. Graham Robinson.art.
00:47:19.060
So it's G R A H A M Robinson.art. And then the other one is Richard. Let me just make sure. Yeah.
00:47:27.800
Richard underscore King underscore Africa. Cool. So there's Richard underscore King underscore
00:47:35.660
Africa. And there's Graham G R A H A M Robinson.art. Those are the two people who added value to my
00:47:43.380
life when they didn't need to, and they've never asked for anything in return. Yeah. Okay. Keith
00:47:49.680
Doyle. My kids are very active in sports and combined the games and practices take up six to
00:47:55.520
seven days, um, evenings per week. I often feel guilty missing their events. When I go off and do
00:48:01.260
something for myself, for instance, I'm taking a fly fishing class next week and I'm missing a
00:48:06.180
lacrosse game. How do you handle those emotions and still support your kids while still doing the
00:48:11.760
things you enjoy? Well, I, this is a good question. I think that you're doing, you're actually doing it
00:48:18.280
right. I think you should take care of yourself. And I don't think, I really don't think your kids
00:48:23.800
need you at every game. I used to think that, but you know what, they're going to have to get used
00:48:28.540
to not everybody acquiescing to their requests, not scheduling their entire lives around the things
00:48:34.920
that are them for important for them. But you know, of course you want to make it to some of
00:48:39.020
their games as best you can, but to make it to every game, I just kind of feel like is unrealistic
00:48:43.760
and it's just not going to be an accurate representation of life. Yeah. You know, sometimes
00:48:48.840
trend, you would say it's a problem. That's a different thing, but your kids don't need you at
00:48:54.000
every thing. Like I got to wonder if you're just teeing them up for failure, trying to make them
00:49:02.420
the center of your universe. Like you're not, you know, sometimes my kids will come up to me and say
00:49:08.480
my daughter in particular, she loves to cook. And she's like, dad, would you like this thing? And I'm
00:49:12.380
like, no, thank you. And my wife's like, just take it. And I'm like, no, I don't want it. Like,
00:49:20.140
I don't want that cheese ball or like, or dessert cake brownie thing or whatever, because I have my
00:49:26.060
own goals. And so I explained that to my daughter. I'm like, Hey hon, like, I really appreciate you
00:49:29.900
making that. I've got, I'm on a diet right now. And the reason that I'm not eating that is because
00:49:34.260
I'm really trying to be disciplined. Like, I think that's okay. Cause that's real life.
00:49:40.440
You know, my kid, my youngest will come up to me and he's like, dad, here's a Pokemon card. And I'm
00:49:44.660
like, Hey bud, really appreciate the gesture. Not, not anything I can do with a Pokemon card.
00:49:50.140
So why don't you just keep it in your collection? And anytime you're interested, I'll come look at
00:49:54.120
them. I'll do the games. I'll trade with you or whatever, but I don't need your Pokemon card. You
00:49:58.180
hang on to your Pokemon card. More. I was like, Jay, why can't you just take the card? Like, because
00:50:03.320
it's not like, I don't want it. I don't need it. It's going to clutter up my life. And he needs to
00:50:08.460
learn like, not everything's going to revolve around him. Yeah. You're like, deal with it.
00:50:13.760
He's going to fight it in the recycling trash can later today. Anyway.
00:50:17.280
Exactly. So I've never been one to like bend over backwards for my kids because they offered this
00:50:25.660
thing or whatever. Like that's just not real life. So what, so more practically what I would say
00:50:31.700
when I'm talking to my kids is, Hey bud, I know that I can't remember what sport did he say? Soccer
00:50:38.940
or, um, he didn't say actually, but like, Oh, missing a lacrosse game. He said he's missing a
00:50:44.920
lacrosse game for a fly fishing. Yeah. I was going to say, if it was soccer, you can miss all the
00:50:48.320
doesn't matter. Lacrosse, football, baseball. Um, here's the, yeah. Yeah. Track. You can miss all
00:50:57.920
of the track and field stuff. Soccer. You can miss all that stuff. Tennis. You can miss that,
00:51:03.400
but baseball, football, wrestling. You don't miss wrestling. Everything else is fine. Yeah.
00:51:09.020
No, what I would say is, Hey bud, um, I know that here's your, here's your, here's your schedule
00:51:14.880
for the, for the year, your, your games. And here's your 12 games or 20 games, however many games you
00:51:20.980
play. And, uh, I'm going to be able to make them to 15, but these other five, you've got two games
00:51:26.780
that are three hours away. And this game falls on a time where I'm going to be out of town.
00:51:32.540
And I just want you to let you know ahead of time that I'm going to make it to 15 of your games
00:51:36.480
this year, but the other five, it's not that I don't think you're important. It's not that I don't
00:51:41.000
want you to win or be successful, but you got to know that I have other arrangements and other
00:51:45.760
commitments and other things that are important to me. And I just want to let you know ahead of time.
00:51:49.120
So you don't feel like I'm missing it just because I'm flaking out on you. I want you to know
00:51:53.920
you're important. That's why I'm going to make 15 games, but the other five, unfortunately I won't
00:51:57.520
be able to make, man, you just nipped it in the bud right there. You're you, you just set yourself
00:52:03.780
up for success and him too. And then when you get home, you're like, Hey bud, mom sent, there was a
00:52:09.360
game, um, last year. My son caught his first touchdown pass, my oldest son. And my wife sent me
00:52:15.180
the video. Um, my, my buddy Brody sent me the video while I was gone and my son knew I had to be gone
00:52:21.560
and I got back and I had already seen it. I was already proud. And I said, Hey bud, like I heard
00:52:27.700
you scored a touchdown. And mom said, you had the video, show me the video. Let's, let's talk about
00:52:32.180
it together. Yeah. And we sat down and we watched it. I'm like, Oh dude, that was awesome. Like,
00:52:37.720
and we went through it and he told me the whole story. And I'm like, in my head, I'm like, yeah,
00:52:41.840
I already know. Like I already know all this stuff, but it doesn't matter. Like I'm here to serve him in
00:52:46.300
that moment. So I think if you can plan ahead of time and you can communicate those expectations,
00:52:50.960
you can show them why it's important. You can balance that out with being there for 15 games
00:52:55.460
instead of 20. And then when you're gone, you make it important to you. You know, with my son,
00:53:01.000
who's into Pokemon right now, it's like, he'll, he got this like gold pack the other night. It's like
00:53:07.800
this, you know, 40 cards and they're all gold. And I'm like, I don't give a shit about any of this
00:53:12.880
stuff. And he's like, dad, look at this Charizard card. Look at this. I'm like, that's awesome.
00:53:20.600
Like, tell me about it. And he's like, it's level 300 and it's, I don't care. I'm like, that's cool.
00:53:29.760
Like, is that good? Is that bad? Like, I have no idea. What, what do you do with this? Yeah. And so I
00:53:35.280
ask him questions because he's excited about it. And I show him that I don't care about Pokemon,
00:53:40.160
but you know what I do care about? I care about him. Yeah. And so I make that a priority for myself.
00:53:46.700
Copy. All right, sir. All right, guys. Hey, just to close this out, we got the
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Iron Council opening up in mid-June. And if you jump on the website right now,
00:53:57.200
you may or may not jump on the website because we've had some technical issues
00:54:01.800
with orderman.com. So you can try it and see, and if it works, great. And if it doesn't,
00:54:07.300
just wait longer. I don't know what else to tell you. I've been working on it on the
00:54:09.880
back end and we'll get it dialed in. But Kip, appreciate you, brother. Gentlemen,
00:54:13.600
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