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00:00:00.000 It's about doing hard things and you don't feel that people see you and what you're dealing with

00:00:06.480 and you don't have an outlet where I'm like in the funk and I just have a conversation with

00:00:11.340 someone and I feel like a hundred percent better and mostly because they can relate and they're

00:00:15.980 like oh man yeah me too and I'm not alone in the suffering and and it's relatable. This is why

00:00:22.640 this conversation is so important for men to have even if they're not at the level of like

00:00:29.640 suicidal. Sean we do it again sir how you doing? Yes sir great how are you? Good man. Dodgers fan you

00:00:38.740 were in the Dodgers hat here on YouTube. How you feeling about that World Series? Like every Dodgers

00:00:45.920 fan like nervous and still hopeful. I was at the game with my daughter game five and and I've never

00:00:55.920 been in Dodger Stadium even mid-season when I lived there we used to go all the time mid-season

00:01:01.060 playing you know like the Pirates or something that nobody shows up to. Sorry for you Pittsburgh fans

00:01:08.020 but going to a game like that I've never heard the stadium as quiet as it was at game but it made

00:01:16.000 no sense. I was like this is crazy. It's almost like you knew they were going to lose because

00:01:20.700 of zero energy in that place it was weird. Pack Stadium no sound it was strange. Yeah very very

00:01:28.880 odd. Dude that picture though holy crap like you know I have a story that's so awesome. It's super

00:01:36.460 cool super cool it's it's pretty amazing stuff. Yeah as a fan of baseball you I just love that

00:01:43.100 kind of stuff. Yeah. Right I mean it's awesome. I love it man. Well we're going to field questions

00:01:48.900 from the Iron Council right and from Order of Man. To learn more about the Iron Council gentlemen

00:01:55.760 go to orderofman.com ironcouncil. We used to do cohorts on a quarterly basis. You can join us at

00:02:02.900 any time so if you're you know you have the itch to to make some pivots and adjustments in your life

00:02:09.220 and show up next year better don't wait until next year. Do it now. Get on the path start making

00:02:16.000 pivots now so then that way you're going into 2026 a head start right and no sense of delaying

00:02:23.640 how we're showing up after all right there is no such thing as tomorrow. I love that phrase right

00:02:29.300 it's just a word that describes something that doesn't exist and so let's take action and and be

00:02:35.000 the men that we are meant to be today right today is is all we got. So all right let's just jump right

00:02:43.100 into it man. I feel like I'm already like soapboxing on stuff without any questions even coming in so

00:02:47.840 um Ken Newcomb my calibration tactic is visual uh is visualization this quarter and I'm really

00:02:55.960 struggling. I sit first thing in the morning with everyone asleep and I try to visualize my day

00:03:01.580 and the man I want to be. Then my mind starts wondering thinking about my day things I need to do

00:03:08.280 or just about anything other than my visualization. Are there any tips and suggestions that you uh

00:03:13.740 tips or suggestions to succeed at this? Hmm you know with that it's something that for me I've never

00:03:21.880 I'm just like him. I've never been able to sit down and just visualize without my mind wandering.

00:03:28.460 I still can't do that to this day and so what I've figured out is knowing exactly what I want

00:03:37.920 and what that should look like feel like and in the moments of I call it catching myself being

00:03:48.760 non-productive. So in moments where I know I'm either not taking action not working not doing

00:03:58.400 the things that are going to lead me towards whatever that is I want in my life I'll catch myself

00:04:04.080 and then think of visualize how the man I want to be would be showing up right now what he would be

00:04:13.840 doing what and I still do that to this day where I catch myself multiple times through the day what

00:04:20.880 would he be doing right now and then I go do it like did like it was funny when we got on

00:04:27.660 I just like straight out of the shower from jujitsu and this morning like

00:04:35.040 there's probably a couple mornings a week where I don't want to go to jujitsu with everything else

00:04:42.140 going on in my life the other things physically drained not enough sleep don't feel great don't want

00:04:49.320 to go and then I visualize okay like I actually visualize my black belt I'm like well you're never

00:05:00.160 going to get to a black belt not going and uh and I also know every single time I go when I'm done

00:05:09.760 I'm like man that would have sucked if I didn't go today

00:05:13.600 and so but that visualization of me at a graduation getting a black belt from my professor

00:05:25.720 is part of what gets me in there I gotta go and and so me knowing that I'm gonna feel awesome

00:05:33.280 you know two hours later is not enough um to get me in but the visualization of knowing exactly what

00:05:41.080 I want the outcome that I'm seeking by going gets me to take that action so I don't take the time

00:05:48.040 during the day at any particular time of the day to try and sit and visualize but I know exactly what I

00:05:55.300 want and then in the pursuit throughout the day when I catch myself not moving towards those things

00:06:02.140 then I can visualize

00:06:04.180 what I'm trying to gain who I want to be how I want to show up

00:06:09.300 and how that man would show up in those scenarios

00:06:12.540 and it makes me move the needle in that direction

00:06:17.240 yeah

00:06:18.400 Ken I'll share what what works for me and and this is kind of interesting because your visualization is about how you want to show up and then you're hopping about your day

00:06:26.840 right so

00:06:27.520 that's kind of the idea a little bit right so here here's a thought but let me first say this

00:06:34.120 it takes time reps man right you're like what I'm hearing is hey I'm trying to like

00:06:40.120 do one thing mentally and I'm having a hard time doing that mentally

00:06:45.260 yeah that's got it keep practicing right like and it's the beginning of the quarter right

00:06:51.860 so he's got a long way to go it's going to take time to clear your mind and and how powerful is that

00:06:57.100 like listen listen to what we're talking about I'm trying to focus on something and I can't focus on it

00:07:02.720 that's really important for us to figure that shit out

00:07:05.660 right it's no different than and I'm I'm assuming most guys can relate to this how often Sean do you go

00:07:12.360 lay in bed and you're like oh man I need to get I need to fall asleep I need to get some solid rest

00:07:17.260 and then your mind starts wandering right about all the stuff you have to do and then you have to get up

00:07:21.900 you have to write it down right like dude there's power

00:07:24.760 can in you working on this so let me first say that that's good right you being able to control

00:07:31.800 your mindset what you focus on it takes reps it takes time etc now with that all said this is what

00:07:38.940 I do is I I first just meditate meditation is clear in my mind right I try not to be focused on anything

00:07:50.360 and and this is why guided meditation focuses on breathing because now your focus is on breath

00:07:56.940 and account on purpose so you might intentionally get some guided meditations to help you focus right

00:08:05.080 that's the benefit of the person talking to you because you focus on what they're saying

00:08:08.300 not just on everything else right and so look at that but me personally when I used to do this

00:08:15.060 on a regular basis I would meditate first just clear my mind focus on breathing my visualization

00:08:22.200 was this I have an ethos that's in my journal it's a I don't know a quarter of a page a couple paragraphs

00:08:29.640 it is the man that I decide to be I read that then I intentionally grab my phone and I look at my calendar

00:08:41.140 and then I visualize my day got it podcast recording 9 30 with Sean okay got it based upon that man

00:08:48.840 how do I show up here got it okay I got you today I'm not feeling it but the man that I'm choosing

00:08:55.920 to be guess what he does he walks in the gym and he doesn't wait and delay time got it okay how does

00:09:01.960 he train passive aggressive training overly assertive anger training like at what level do I show up in

00:09:09.100 that training oh I got a tough executive meeting later today I have a hard conversation to be had

00:09:14.500 how does that guy show up in that I literally visualize my day and map it to my ethos or my

00:09:21.920 mission as a man so Ken you're kind of doing it by wondering into your day I think just get centered on

00:09:29.440 the guy you want to be and then look through your day and go got it how does he show up here and you

00:09:34.040 might want to take notes oh man I need to remember to be empathetic and compassionate in that call at

00:09:40.400 five I'm going to write that down so then that way I don't I don't forget where I am getting centered

00:09:46.820 right now this morning so you're cut like the thing that you're saying is the problem is probably kind

00:09:52.460 of working for you maybe just button it up a little bit and I would separate the meditating

00:09:58.420 clearing your mind from visualizing because visualizing is very much active mind what does

00:10:04.020 my day look like based upon right the man I want to show up as I'm glad you talked about that looking

00:10:12.480 at the day because that's a part I forgot on mine every night before I go to bed I look at my calendar

00:10:19.320 for the next day again and I do visualize okay I have this at this time this at this time getting up at

00:10:24.960 this time I did that today and then and it's in in each of those things I do what you just said

00:10:30.780 but the reason that I don't think I think I've stopped trying to sit down and totally like visualize

00:10:39.740 all of it is number one the distraction that he talked about but number two it almost never happens

00:10:45.120 the way I visualize it when I when I try and do that for the whole day so I think about how I am going

00:10:51.220 to feel like last night I thought about it I was I'm you know I got up today at at 5 30 you know woke

00:10:57.860 up one of my kids um got some stuff done you know got another one of the kids ready did like visualizing

00:11:05.680 that and then visualizing me going to jiu-jitsu knowing I was going to be tired because I just got

00:11:11.160 back from a trip that I wasn't going I literally visualized that part and then I was gonna like

00:11:16.180 tell myself to stop being a little bitch and go and I knew all that part was going to happen 1.00

00:11:22.980 but then when I'm when I was up at 5 30 I also got a message from Ryan asking to do this today

00:11:28.120 right and so if I would have visual like if my visualization for the day was like this perfect

00:11:34.900 thing happening of this then this then this then this right and I had things I was going to be doing

00:11:39.760 in this space as you and I are talking right now if I get too stuck on the perfect visualization

00:11:48.380 I one thing I started to notice for me is I used to also get angry when things would change

00:11:54.520 and almost disappointed or angry or like oh man I didn't get that done the way I wanted

00:12:00.060 but that's because life was happening along the way so when Ryan asked I went back to the calendar

00:12:05.600 like I already knew it because of the night before I do have this gap I'm going to be doing

00:12:10.140 these other things but is are these like high priority things or whatever no I can fit it in

00:12:16.000 re-space it re-visualize what the rest of the day it's going to pack in a little part of the rest of

00:12:21.640 the day but that's fine and visualize how that's going to work now through between now and then

00:12:28.120 I know my wife's probably going to ask me to do some things today that she didn't ask me

00:12:33.640 you know ahead of time or whatever things are going to I got two of my boys out of school today so

00:12:39.560 who knows what they're going to come at me with today and so that's why I think I've pivoted to

00:12:47.480 the visualization as the day's progressing so it's both it's the visualization the night before

00:12:54.940 and and trying to be the most effective through the next day through that visualization and then

00:13:03.120 as it's happening that exercise of the visualization of catching myself in those things to make sure

00:13:10.580 that I don't get too distracted or off you know off topic off focus um and I keep my priorities in

00:13:19.440 order um you know and and kind of those reminders throughout the day and with visualizing I love that

00:13:28.720 and and I feel too like we know where we struggle right a lot of guys struggle from that transition

00:13:34.960 maybe from the day job to home if if that's the area of risk then sit out in the car and meditate then

00:13:44.500 and visualize then before you walk through the door at the home right and and and that's kind of what

00:13:49.200 I'm picking up from you Sean is like work it into your day and and if you're solid at the office or on you

00:13:55.060 know out working great if if you struggle in the transition to home then pause then and say okay

00:14:01.840 now I'm putting that the dad hat on how does he show up before I walk through that door and and pause

00:14:08.140 in that moment to make sure that you show up powerfully so like obviously there's not a way here

00:14:12.960 but like figure out where are those areas of risk for you and apply it appropriately uh Julian

00:14:18.120 uh yeah Julian I'm gonna slaughter the last name and uh sapulvata sapulvata sapulvata all right here we

00:14:29.060 go how do I break the limited narrative in my head to gain a limitless vision to strive for a vision

00:14:38.000 that's not only running from my present life how do I break the limited narrative in my head to gain

00:14:46.480 a limitless vision to strive for and not only running from my present life this is a deep one

00:14:53.720 the I know I see so many guys struggle with this and mainly I see it in my business I mean which which

00:15:03.020 trickles into every part of their life but through I've coached who knows how many at this point it's

00:15:09.800 probably tens of thousands of people through this and where most people struggle is going from a

00:15:16.960 limited mindset to unlimited but their challenge is they're trying to initially go from the limitations

00:15:27.060 that have been driven into them for you know in some cases yeah 40 years 50 years 60 years like I don't

00:15:38.900 know how old this guy is um and there's no age that you should do it I get guys from all ages

00:15:45.560 trying to start a new life and trying to be better trying to change themselves that's quite frankly

00:15:51.860 everybody that joins the iron council right but the where most of them mess up is they try to bring

00:16:02.080 their biggest vision to the forefront like they try to dream big and they think of the biggest thing

00:16:07.840 and this quote-unquote limitless possibilities and quite frankly you your brain can't wrap itself

00:16:15.920 around that yet you have to take baby steps that's like saying you want to start working out and then

00:16:21.780 you're going to go try and squat 500 pounds you it doesn't start with 500 maybe it's for you starts

00:16:28.900 with 100 pounds right or 50 maybe so you have to take those baby steps towards stretching what you think

00:16:38.980 is possible until that little that small thing that you think is possible you now know is possible and

00:16:48.200 then you would notch it up a little bit you ratchet it up you um increase it so maybe you don't start with

00:16:57.560 limitless like know with the the mindset that yeah all things are possible um because it's someone

00:17:05.540 else has done it before they've already proven it can be done and they're just as human as I am

00:17:10.520 um but what can I achieve and that's why I like the battle plan and the battle planner being broken into

00:17:18.820 quarters and then having the tactics like we were just talking about with the last question of putting

00:17:23.820 that tactic in there because you can break it down to small things and give yourself those small wins

00:17:29.780 of okay this quarter what can I do in this quarter forget about who I want to be you know 30 years from

00:17:37.380 now 20 years from now shoot even you know five years one year two years from now okay this quarter what

00:17:44.620 can I control how much better can I get and let me prove to myself that I can be that guy and then

00:17:53.160 once I've proven myself that I'll be like wow I broke through this little barrier that was hard for me

00:17:59.360 not unlimited not you know not completely undoable because the unlimited part for almost every human

00:18:07.580 before they get good at it seems impossible you might as well call it impossible

00:18:12.200 but you find something smaller make it a win make it difficult difficult enough to that you know it's going to be

00:18:24.140 hard you're going to have to show up differently but then do it and prove to yourself that it can be done

00:18:30.780 and and in that let's say you don't do it but let's say you did better than you've ever done before that

00:18:39.240 quarter in that area still give yourself that win and then tweak it again maybe you keep it one more

00:18:46.460 quarter with the same goal you know maybe you fell short but you did better than you've ever done but

00:18:51.800 now you've built up some good habits keep it another quarter until you achieve it and then you achieve it now

00:18:57.380 you've proven to yourself okay I did it I overcame I was able to achieve this thing that I thought was hard

00:19:02.680 and then you're going to build better habits through that process and then ratchet into for me personally

00:19:09.960 it probably took me somewhere between the six and ten year mark of understanding limitless

00:19:19.060 and and then the work that that also includes and the dedication and and whether or not

00:19:31.460 it's worth it or not yeah you know and so you have to build into that and so you know it just start a

00:19:42.140 little smaller being new to the concept um you know because it sounds like he's trying to completely

00:19:50.420 change his environment his background his narrative his you know his habits all of it and it's just too

00:20:01.200 much to do at once well and and I like what you said Sean is the cost right this is where everyone

00:20:08.940 goes wrong right it's like oh I have these limiting beliefs okay I'm gonna anything's possible no

00:20:15.220 bullshit right like you're caught like you're subconsciously calling bullshit on yourself because 0.81

00:20:20.780 you're like but really do I really believe that and the answer is no you don't so you know have a

00:20:29.060 limitless vision all you want but I mean just because you're pretending and lying to yourself

00:20:34.780 that anything's possible doesn't make it true for you so what does and and I think what does is

00:20:41.900 getting clear first on the cost are you even willing to do these dreams that you have in your mind are you

00:20:49.120 really willing to pay the price because if you're not then stop saying that I'm I'm gonna be this or

00:20:56.120 I'm gonna do this someday well no you're not not if you're not willing to do the necessary work and

00:21:00.820 pay the necessary price to do it so get clear on the cost deal in reality right this isn't some

00:21:07.540 scenario by you you just think it's it's not enough right this is where everyone goes wrong

00:21:13.280 everyone's upset with their lives and most of them are upset with their lives because they're not clear

00:21:17.380 on the cost required to have that life and so now they're not dealing in reality and they're they know

00:21:22.480 they're kind of lying to themselves about it right so so I get I think get clear on the cost the other

00:21:27.960 part is limited narrative in my head well what's the limited narrative I can't do this I'm incapable of

00:21:37.220 this why is that true challenge the narrative so whatever limited narrative that you have in your mind

00:21:45.200 challenge it like is that really true and we'll find out in most cases it's not in most cases we

00:21:53.740 are emotional by the way we're all emotional beings that use logic to justify our emotion a limited

00:22:00.440 narrative is an emotional statement logic is what what reps and experience and learnings do I need to

00:22:10.720 have to be able to have outcome that's logical thinking I can't do this I'm incapable that's

00:22:16.420 emotional so get clear and challenge the narrative that you're that you have and then get really clear

00:22:23.780 like believe in a growth mindset and and by the way people think like uh does Sean have a growth mindset

00:22:30.340 does Kip have a growth no no people don't have growth mindsets they choose to have a growth mindset

00:22:37.600 and a growth mindset believes what that if you're willing to sacrifice and put in the necessary time

00:22:44.280 and effort that you can learn and grow so reverse engineer you want limitless you want to change your

00:22:51.500 present life all right what is it that you want to achieve what's required from a reps perspective

00:22:57.780 to get there because you just wanting it guess what you don't deserve it you have to pay the price to get

00:23:05.340 there so get clear on the price that you have to pay and start taking action towards it I love

00:23:12.220 like and I hopefully Julian you're not like hopefully this doesn't come across and Sean you tell me if

00:23:16.980 this is the case I'm not going against this idea of believing that having a growth mindset and that

00:23:24.180 anything is somewhat possible I'm not saying I'm not against that but way too many people choose to try

00:23:31.240 to believe that without understanding what's required to get there and then they have to get

00:23:37.320 up so hard yeah and then they get mad and oh I'll never achieve it it's like well what have you done

00:23:43.160 um nothing well of course you're not going to get there then right so you know to back to Sean's point

00:23:50.860 right figure out the cost you you may not even want the thing that you're seeking because you're unwilling

00:23:56.740 to pay the price and if that's the case move on and find something else that you're willing to pay the

00:24:00.700 price for you know it's anything worth having is work right and in his question he says like how do

00:24:11.300 I make sure it's a vision that's not only running from my present life I think he also needs to be

00:24:16.100 careful of yeah good point that right because there's a difference between I wrote it down as

00:24:22.480 you're talking there's a difference between running away from your current life versus running away from

00:24:27.940 your current responsibilities you know it's you want to make sure that you're creating a new life

00:24:34.500 while still taking care of your current responsibilities right and that's at any level

00:24:40.300 whether you're starting over whether you're rock bottom or whether you've already achieved what you

00:24:46.200 used to think was going to be your top of the mountain and so like that's it it's

00:24:53.940 it's it's I have a friend and uh you know this guy but he just hit me up recently like hey I'm off to

00:25:01.420 the next new thing you know and and I want to get some ideas I want to know who you know what you know

00:25:07.960 if you know anything's out there and all that stuff this guy is very like from the outside looking in

00:25:12.700 very quote-unquote successful the top of the mountain like most people would probably look at that and be

00:25:17.660 like man that's awesome and so yeah that's fine he's running off the next thing he's running away

00:25:24.540 from his current life that's great actually that's fine you know so your narrative of how you say that

00:25:32.980 to yourself you have to be very very careful of but he's not in one circumstance running away from

00:25:41.520 any of his responsibilities he's just hit that point where he knows there's more he knows he's

00:25:47.380 capable he and so the possibilities you were talking about he's more than sure of those things

00:25:53.380 and so he's chasing that that's awesome you know but it is a chase you do have to run you can't just

00:26:01.520 kind of scroll into a new life right so yeah I the narrative of running from your current life is

00:26:09.540 I think fine but you have to be careful in what that means to you totally well and and now that

00:26:16.780 like you bring that up it's like Julian's like oh man guys you you're running way too deep into the

00:26:21.720 rat hole on on this question right it's a deep question dude but running from my present life

00:26:28.180 like there's a bunch of things that come to mind right one of them is what are you making your present

00:26:34.280 life mean yeah and do we run from our present life or do we learn and grow from our present life

00:26:44.940 be very careful right that it's like oh it's my present life's a problem guess how you deal with

00:26:51.020 your present life or your past that you don't like you become a better version because of it that's how

00:26:56.580 you you become the kind of man Julian that you're like man I am grateful for the current life I have

00:27:03.460 you know why because it catapulted me in learning and growing in these particular areas but if you're

00:27:08.940 not growing from quote-unquote present life if it's not making you a better version this life you're

00:27:14.820 running to you're not going to get it because you didn't earn it and or you didn't learn the lesson

00:27:20.760 that you need to learn where you are so just be very careful sometimes we do that right it's like oh

00:27:26.340 I just need a new job or oh it's my spouse it's like no dude learn where you are right that's how

00:27:33.220 you deserve the next thing right so just be mindful of that right and and I would get clear on what are

00:27:39.200 you making your current life mean and how do you show powerful let me suggest this if you figure out

00:27:47.240 how to show up powerful in the life that you're living right now that's probably how you move to the

00:27:52.820 space of limitless yeah all right we'd beat that up but there's a lot there right like oh man we

00:28:00.760 could we could talk for an hour that's what I said at the beginning of the question that's a deep one

00:28:05.660 man yeah all right you guys are these are these are pretty solid all right Dwayne

00:28:09.860 love if b is pronounced v well we'll see Dwayne but it's Dwayne nonetheless I know that part

00:28:17.520 all right in what ways have you seen different learning outcomes happen different ways we

00:28:24.320 learning outcomes happen through being the master willing to be questioned in a subject area or being

00:28:30.400 the apprentice willing to seek knowledge both kind of expose in unique ways what do you think each

00:28:36.760 delivers to the man this is coming from the trades background I noticed how much I have learned from

00:28:43.360 apprentices about what I don't actually know as well as as I should or can't articulate as clearly as

00:28:50.800 needed it's um I don't know I'm I see this weekly um you know and what I do I was so kind of looking

00:29:06.160 back on what we were just beating to death with Julian you know I was when what you were talking

00:29:12.360 about and kind of your circumstance if it's bad as you were saying that I was thinking like where I

00:29:18.060 started when I first made the choice to change my life I was 22 years old drinking a minimum six pack

00:29:25.540 a beer a day you know around a bunch of alcoholics and drinkers and partying and you know and and on the

00:29:33.020 outside looking in it probably looked pretty good I was making decent money I was a hard worker I was

00:29:38.640 all these things but honestly just a mess like the path I was on was very poor I was going to end up

00:29:45.820 broke I was in a ton of debt you know 30 grand of debt with never going to college like all just

00:29:50.900 you know stuff I didn't need and um terrible with money terrible in relationships not you know like

00:29:58.620 all of the the things and um I'm so glad they happened because I know the alternative right 0.99

00:30:05.420 but as I started growing my first step was being literally like being so coachable I call it coach

00:30:15.120 ability being so coachable even to the point that I was willing to do what someone told me

00:30:22.880 and even though that sounds kind of funny that's when we're talking about an apprenticeship you know

00:30:30.360 slash master relationship when you have a mentor when you have somebody teaching you if you're not

00:30:36.660 100 coachable learning from somebody who's done it a thousand times there's no hope for you so you have

00:30:43.380 to go in with that mentality of even doing what you're told and then as you become the master in those

00:30:51.120 things um then what you're going to see is you're going to notice more detail you're going to notice

00:31:01.300 little idiosyncrasies you're going to notice things in circumstances and you're going to start also

00:31:08.060 noticing that these new people these apprentices now have little things to teach you that you learn

00:31:17.080 through coaching them that are little idiosyncrasies and things that you maybe didn't notice before

00:31:24.800 um they're going to come with a maybe it's even quote unquote common sense tool or way of doing things

00:31:35.600 that you weren't taught that maybe they learned from someone else on another job if you're talking the

00:31:41.620 trades and you're like dang that is good and so it's that openness to like you still have to like

00:31:49.460 listen to people where they stand um in your coaching and but i don't think you get there

00:31:58.720 in a master's position without first being 100 coachable when you were the apprentice

00:32:06.860 right so it's a process where you can't if you don't start with that coachability that coachability

00:32:14.720 carries over into your mentorship as a master um where you're going to to still catch ideas and tools

00:32:25.560 and value from even your youngest newest guy um if you started with that coachability so absolutely

00:32:35.660 like there's constantly lessons on both ends even after you become a mess master you're going to

00:32:42.360 learn things um from the new guys along the way as long as you still have that spirit of i think where

00:32:51.980 we have to catch ourselves i talked about catching myself being you know in a bad mindset i think the

00:32:59.260 important part is the master is if you start feeling like i already know this or i know it all or been

00:33:07.400 there done that that's when you as the quote-unquote master need to be the most worried about yourself

00:33:15.100 and your future right and catch yourself in that yeah i don't i don't think there's distinctions here

00:33:22.540 i think you're a lifetime learner period and if you're always curious then you're always learning

00:33:29.560 doesn't matter whether you're the boss you're the master you're the screw that dude right like be

00:33:35.660 curious always eager to learn and here's what's interesting about it let let's assume that that

00:33:40.700 i'm a master apprentice right and i'm doing my jam and some you know young buck comes up to me and

00:33:47.300 it's like oh i would do it this way and if i'm like dude he's wrong now i he might be right he

00:33:54.080 might be totally wrong and i just blow it off and he's this is nobody's talking about we go on our

00:33:58.160 merry way but if i'm curious and i go oh oh what here show me and i jump into it a little bit i go oh

00:34:06.120 interest why do you do that that way and blah blah blah and we go back and forth i'm like oh this is

00:34:10.180 what i used to do who ends up learning the apprentice he ends up learning because you get

00:34:18.000 down and you you seek to understand his nuance you guys have a discussion focused on not tit for tat

00:34:24.960 who's right who's wrong but you get into the mix of learning together all of a sudden the princess goes

00:34:29.840 oh my gosh did you do it that oh that's even better than what i was thinking and all of a sudden

00:34:35.960 his his his mind is opened up to possibility that rarely will show up uh in the space of no you're

00:34:44.000 wrong this is how it gets done and you just taught someone you're not approachable don't challenge

00:34:49.840 status quo and don't innovate he's innovating in his lane let him innovate coach the innovation

00:34:55.620 right so everyone should always be teachable all the time and and when i really think like

00:35:01.040 statistically by the way leaders you're the worst you're absolutely the worst most of you are never 0.90

00:35:08.280 coachable and the reason why it's it's really a handful of salty assumptions faulty assumptions

00:35:14.260 that you make as a leader number one you think you've made it i made it right sean dude i'm the

00:35:21.200 executive dude apparently i know what i'm doing i've made it so my ego is inflated and so i stopped

00:35:27.060 learning we see feedback as weakness right i they need me they report to me i'm not their boss or i'm

00:35:35.180 not their employee so then we see their feedback as weakness on us we have the authority authority

00:35:42.380 bubble this idea that like um i'm a i'm a lone leader no one understands my difficulties you know

00:35:50.840 it's my circumstances unique and i'm in this a little authority bubble that no one is relatable to it's

00:35:56.020 lonely at the top yep lonely at the top we have all these phrases and so you don't consider any input

00:36:02.160 because you think your your situation is so damn unique and then lastly is you think sometimes we

00:36:08.980 believe in what i call the eighth day of the week someday oh i'll learn that someday when i'm not so

00:36:15.020 busy having to deal with these these troops and these nuances and then i push off the development of

00:36:20.940 leadership right in whatever role we're talking about here so man i i don't think there's a

00:36:26.780 difference and it's all about just being and i think it's curiosity and and prioritizing your learning

00:36:34.060 over your ego i don't know i want to add more to ego but i think that's mostly that probably the

00:36:41.780 the thing that blocks most of us from being coachable i don't know is there something else other than ego

00:36:47.260 no nothing it's probably just all right yeah pride which is the same thing right yeah yeah so all

00:36:54.220 right next question uh brian llama how do you keep going when the finish line is so close

00:37:04.320 and the pain just keeps increasing pain you've never felt before especially when when fight or flight

00:37:14.120 is turned on in the background i keep fighting but do we ever stop wanting to fight um sorry

00:37:22.880 stop fighting wanting to fight in our darkest days i'm gonna read that again brian i'm sorry okay

00:37:29.800 let's read it one more time how do you keep going when the finish line is so close and the pain just

00:37:34.840 keeps increasing pain you've never felt before especially when fight or flight is turned on in the

00:37:40.600 background and i'm i am keep fighting but do we ever stop wanting to fight in our darkest days

00:37:47.120 that that see with that one

00:37:54.660 there's a rare person that is so stubborn they just keep going by themselves

00:38:06.360 and so what i would say is like have you communicated what you're going through with

00:38:13.960 anybody that's conquered what you're trying to conquer before and if not i think you need to find

00:38:21.160 that person at least one and if you can find a group of guys um that have been through what you're

00:38:28.240 trying to overcome that's going to be extremely valuable to you and it's that the the kind of

00:38:38.760 golden lining you know the silver lining in your question is that you said that you're so close to the

00:38:49.420 finish line which means that you know what you're trying to get to like you you can see the prize

00:38:56.420 which is huge because there's too many guys that are going through tough things without something

00:39:02.120 they're they're trying right without the light that they're trying to to reach their night they're

00:39:09.080 just fighting with no light at the end of the tunnel yeah darkness and so that's good news is you know

00:39:16.740 what the finish line is um but i can tell you like i said earlier nothing worth having

00:39:24.100 is like doesn't come with hard work like there's nothing of value that doesn't take a ton of work

00:39:29.860 to get to but i can also tell you that as you get closer to those goals and especially the bigger the

00:39:35.040 goals the bigger the adversity as you get closer the more adversity comes like that's just the way

00:39:43.180 the adversary works that's just it's part of the game part of the game and it's gonna get harder before

00:39:52.400 it's quote-unquote easier um so if you can change we've been talking a lot about narratives if you could

00:40:00.660 change your narrative from this is hard to hard as part of the process and as i get closer

00:40:07.660 just knowing it's going to get harder still not giving in and it's going to be pain that you've

00:40:15.420 never felt before it's going to be a push you've never had to push before it's going to be effort

00:40:21.940 you've never had to give before um but knowing that once you're through it you're going to be stronger

00:40:30.740 and the next time it happens because there will be a next time um you're going to know what to do

00:40:38.160 it's it's going to be easier it's going you know and but then there's going to be if you're doing it

00:40:44.360 right there's going to be something else that's hard that you're going to be pushing for and towards

00:40:48.920 and through and so um you know in the question i love that you know what you're trying to achieve

00:40:57.000 but it also sounds like you're trying to do it alone and i would say find find some people with

00:41:04.400 the experience that have gone through similar situations that have overcome that are where you

00:41:09.600 want to be and see if you can kind of you know get some help um uh get some guidance at least even if

00:41:22.680 they're whether it's accountability whether it's um encouragement whether it's their experience and

00:41:30.140 and them helping guide you through um those expectations i think that'd be helpful for you

00:41:37.500 yeah this is a hard question because what do you mean by finish line what do you mean by pain

00:41:45.960 what do you mean by fight and flight right like these are just days mean something different for

00:41:52.380 everybody else yeah some of these are really loaded right like you know like i could riff on the whole

00:41:58.340 idea that fight and flight implies that brain flow brain or blood is reduced to the brain increased to

00:42:06.860 the muscles and you're running around doing stupid ass stuff because you're in fight and flight mode 0.86

00:42:11.740 that may not be a good thing right so like yeah so there's a lot of things to consider here

00:42:17.100 here's just a couple thoughts you know what i what i feel brian in your question is a lack of peace

00:42:25.460 and a lack of happiness where you are right now and whenever i hear that i get fearful that we think

00:42:36.060 that the fight or the finish line is going to give us some joy and peace and i hate to say it but most

00:42:43.620 of the time that finish line will not and so how do you find it now in spite of your circumstances

00:42:52.140 how do you live in the moment how do you find gratitude and i know it sounds hard right it sounds

00:42:59.100 like brian has nothing to be grateful for you're breathing right you have opportunities in front of you

00:43:05.720 you can fight right there's things to find gratitude around i would double down on being present to

00:43:14.460 what's great that in your life that you have i would focus on cleaning up the past i don't know why but

00:43:23.220 part of me feels like we're running right trying to overcome our past prove people all that kind of

00:43:32.820 yuckiness you don't need to prove anything to anybody you do you who you are is defined by the 0.56

00:43:40.680 man you are being today not who you once were and so i'd really double down on how you show up

00:43:49.280 what you learn from the past and find gratitude in the present

00:43:55.020 i'm not saying you don't fight these things right you don't try to improve in these things but but

00:44:01.820 be careful that we're not loading up the finish line as like well once i achieve this then

00:44:08.220 most of the time guys peace joy fulfillment and happiness in life is not found in having

00:44:15.580 it's found in being and perhaps you need to get really present of who you are being right now this

00:44:25.540 very moment today

00:44:26.620 that's loaded i made all that up i have no idea brian if that is even relates right based upon what you

00:44:38.320 gave us but you know hopefully that that gives some thought well and like i said it's it's like dark

00:44:44.340 and dark times mean so many different things to so many different people and that's why i say you have

00:44:50.920 to find people that have people been involved do this alone experiences and latch on yeah i totally agree

00:45:00.280 yeah when i hear dark i'm like got it you feel alone in this right and there's guys in the ic

00:45:05.960 right like reach out for sure all right jeremy coffee what blind spots do you think most men in

00:45:12.640 the iron council have yet to address i mean everybody's different there's there's um the

00:45:23.320 biggest blind spot anybody i mean the the large majority of guys coming into the ic um are just

00:45:31.720 starting a self-improvement uh yeah path you know and and so um the biggest blind spot for most of

00:45:41.220 them is they don't know what they want i mean that's everybody so the biggest blind spot is is figuring out

00:45:47.860 what they actually want who they want to be um you know and and then and then once you start in

00:45:56.600 that path then finding out what the the actual answer to that question is because i think

00:46:05.840 everybody's got this idea when they start of who they want to be but then once they start on the path

00:46:11.300 it changes you know and so the blind spot is is first knowing and then once you've figured that out

00:46:18.380 um keep it moving you know keep it evolving um being willing to pivot and to shift and to change

00:46:27.840 um that's the biggest blind spot i say not knowing what you want and then not willing to put

00:46:34.860 the effort in you know that's probably the second thing i see in all the teams is you know the large

00:46:42.160 majority of the people um show up quarter after quarter after quarter with the same issues with

00:46:48.440 the same challenges um mainly because when you look at the their accountability and their numbers

00:46:55.060 for the quadrants and you know the percentages that they put up for putting in the work for those

00:47:02.800 things the percentages stay low and those are you know the people with the with the most consistent

00:47:11.980 challenges um just not willing to change right so know what you want and then be willing to change to

00:47:20.620 get it yeah i was going to find this amazing quote but i can't find it darn it i'll i'll just say it

00:47:29.080 briefly i i actually think the biggest hurdle for anybody is is self-awareness like i i think it's the

00:47:40.120 foundation of it all right if we can't like if i can't like daily habits and oh i'm struggling if

00:47:47.120 we're not even self-aware on why we're doing what we're doing and what triggers me and if you're not

00:47:55.180 even willing to look inside there's nothing to work with like sean if you were my coach and i was like

00:48:03.380 highly not self-aware like i'm assuming like after one session you'd be like dude kip right i'm

00:48:09.720 counseling my coaching with you why because it's not it's all going to fall on deaf ears you're not

00:48:15.520 even internalizing enough to consider the idea of your role in it yeah yeah but yeah but that's the

00:48:24.040 worst but my circumstance you can hear as a coach yeah like the the reality of it is anybody that's

00:48:30.880 has what's used to use what's use this word anybody that's had a paradigm shift or transformational

00:48:37.080 move in their life i think in all cases it was rooted in becoming hyper aware of their creation

00:48:46.020 and what i mean their creation is that my upset at work is mine that my mediocre marriage

00:48:55.380 i created that my broken relationship with parents i created that until you're in that space there's

00:49:05.240 nothing for you to even take responsibility for it and if you can't take responsibility for

00:49:10.420 anything there's nothing for you to learn and grow from yeah

00:49:13.780 now whether that's the biggest issue in the i see or not that there's probably a different

00:49:19.860 i don't know maybe it's transcendent right that's the struggle i think though yeah i mean it's coming

00:49:28.060 from two guys that are mainly in coaching positions it's i i think that's it it's not much deeper than

00:49:35.420 that yeah okay we're gonna hop over to facebook how much how much time do you have you have one

00:49:43.120 one or two more questions yeah oh man maybe we should skip facebook i'm like looking at the length of this

00:49:50.060 question uh let me jump down a little bit robert galt how do you handle co-parenting your boys after

00:49:58.980 your marriage broke down did you move to uh okay see like this is like a ryan question

00:50:05.840 best ways to handle alcoholism sorry guys i should have read these ahead of time

00:50:11.740 okay let's go with this one nan alive many men are dealing with x or co-workers or clients and

00:50:21.200 customers that are doing the typical character defamation and reputation destruction that women do 1.00

00:50:28.080 how should a man handle a gossiping slanderous woman yes 1.00

00:50:35.880 by the way men do it just as much as women they're just more passive aggressive about it

00:50:44.180 we just hide it we're not as open with it that's the only difference totally passive aggressive

00:50:50.500 i mean honestly this is good though this this will be fun to riff on it yeah it will

00:51:04.760 um you know one of my favorite things that joe rogan says is don't read the comments

00:51:13.880 and so i would say don't read the comments because gossip and and slander is exactly that if it's not true

00:51:26.380 so the way you show up just in the question just in the way the question is asked i know and don't

00:51:37.140 take offense to this man

00:51:38.640 you haven't developed the character to be able to ignore it yet you haven't developed the character

00:51:48.600 to be able to let it roll off your back

00:51:50.940 um you're allowing it to bother you um and it's probably affecting the way that you're showing up

00:52:01.400 and so um whether that's true or not only you know um but like all you can really do is what you can

00:52:12.660 control you can't control what people say or do in the workplace or whatever else you could just show

00:52:17.520 up as your best now if you're in a that toxic of an environment you know then maybe it's time to

00:52:24.760 find a new environment to work in and do your best you know but if you've been working at your top level

00:52:32.780 of performance in your job and you've been empathic and you've been you know a good person and you

00:52:41.180 do the work well and you treat people right um and

00:52:46.560 you are constantly working on yourself and you've improved and you're you know gaining more

00:52:55.240 knowledge for the position whether it's education or experience or going out on your own to get better

00:53:02.120 in it as you're doing those things and as you're increasing your skill set and your character and

00:53:09.260 developing your your relationship and communication skills and you're doing those things you'll hear

00:53:18.280 less of that noise because you're going to be too busy in the work of being better to pay too much

00:53:24.900 attention to it and you're going to realize like i can't be in this toxic environment but you're going

00:53:31.900 to be valuable enough to be able to go somewhere else and be fine um or if you stay trapped in it

00:53:40.480 and it making you feel shitty for lack of a better way to explain it um and that affects your work and

00:53:52.140 it affects your relationship with those people and the way that you treat them um and the way that

00:53:58.360 they treat you then that's perpetual and it's the the situation's not going to improve so a man should

00:54:08.460 a man should handle it by being better you know it's like like you've just talked about with

00:54:17.460 people's marriage right if you have a bad marriage you probably have to show it better now it doesn't

00:54:24.100 take the responsibility completely off your wife either but you still have to show it better

00:54:29.760 right and so it it's the same at work it's and it doesn't matter if it's a gossiping woman or a man or 0.98

00:54:38.520 a boss or a you know an understudy it doesn't matter it's you have to show up better and through that

00:54:47.600 process you'll have more choices to make your circumstance better and if not it's the the

00:54:55.380 situation's going to be perpetual yeah it's out it's outside your control right helplessness in

00:55:03.480 life victim mentality is worrying about things that you can't change right so like you know and i think

00:55:09.240 there's an element of this sean like there's just going to be crazy especially on the internet right

00:55:14.480 and you don't even know people right so like who knows right and some work environments suck

00:55:20.180 right if you work at walmart like you can't expect the best working environment if you work at a place

00:55:26.820 like that right if you work at the dmv like how happy are you going to be in your job you know and

00:55:33.380 sorry if that's your job if as i'm saying that but you can't have the expectations that there's going

00:55:38.900 to be this magical environment that you work in right totally totally here's the other

00:55:44.320 thought too and and i there's a balance here there's there's a there's a balance in what i'm

00:55:50.000 about to say right man so so take this for what it's worth there's power and understanding

00:55:54.780 there's always power and understanding and and most of our upset is because we're not curious enough

00:56:03.920 why people are doing what they're doing now i'm not saying it justifies their actions but your upset

00:56:09.540 kind of goes away when you critically think when you get curious and then you're like got it she

00:56:17.740 totally is slender in my name because that's rooted in this and who knows what and it's probably like

00:56:23.200 this other thing and it really doesn't have to do with me but it feels makes her feel validated

00:56:27.340 in her circumstance got it that's a little crazy but whatever

00:56:32.140 right we actually think in most cases that people walking around and they think about us all the

00:56:40.620 time oh man you know kip is this and kip is that like they spend their day thinking about how bad i am

00:56:47.380 you think that trust me they're not worried about you most people walk around 100 consumed about

00:56:56.120 themselves they are so wrapped up about how they look and how they're validated and how they're

00:57:02.260 perceived by everyone else they don't give a shit about you and in fact most attacks on you is really 0.77

00:57:09.400 a way of propping themselves up because they're more worried about how they look than how bad you look

00:57:14.280 you you don't think slanderous even online things have more to do with propping up and stroking their

00:57:21.400 own ego of course it is right no one no most people are not spending their lives trying to ruin

00:57:30.460 your reputation most people are going throughout their lives trying to prop themselves up to look good

00:57:36.400 and it's not it doesn't take much for us to validate this is true anyone listening that goes

00:57:43.780 well i don't know if i agree with you kip all right you tell me why did you wear the clothes you put

00:57:49.780 on this morning why do you drive the car that you drive why do you talk the way you talk

00:57:55.300 you don't think those are all rooted in looking good and the avoidance of looking bad

00:58:01.580 of course they are of course they are so realize the human condition people are self-obsessed

00:58:11.340 and most slanderous things that people do are on the back side of them worrying about themselves

00:58:18.920 so don't give them so much credit or maybe don't give you're so much credit yourself credit that

00:58:23.920 people are so wrapped up in ruining our lives they don't they're they just want to prop themselves up

00:58:28.920 right and and i'm not saying it justifies the actions i'm not saying that i'm just it's it's good

00:58:34.860 to understand it it allows us when you critically think we don't think we don't take things as personal

00:58:41.840 as we otherwise would

00:58:43.840 all right one more question you good sean sounds good all right um here we go dustin meyer

00:58:56.100 when faced with difficult circumstances in life there are ways out of the funk but when feeling so

00:59:03.460 depressed hopeless and downright drained of life how do you learn to cope and become better when feelings

00:59:10.840 are so strong to just give up i learned how to manage and come out on top but i post this knowing

00:59:18.460 this answer is never talked about enough lost too many good friends and battle buddies because they

00:59:23.940 gave up too quickly well i mean with this it's um

00:59:31.580 i mean the question is being asked from the the standpoint of how do i get out of the funk and i think

00:59:40.040 i answered it with the earlier question you have to reach out um you just have to ask somebody

00:59:49.780 um and then if you're not going to reach out directly and ask about the circumstance and the

00:59:56.860 the feelings of depression that you're having um then another thing you need to do immediately

01:00:04.780 is get active in something you know and and uh no matter what it is you go out you know like

01:00:12.660 you we talk a lot about jujitsu right like show up to a gym um show up to a if you like basketball

01:00:19.480 you show up to a park where they play basketball and you just start playing basketball get active like

01:00:25.580 actively engaged physically in something and if you can do it daily um that's going to be a giant help

01:00:34.100 for you um you know and and so stay active um in something and then build up a brotherhood of some

01:00:44.000 sort um in that activity where you're comfortable and in reaching out and having conversations and

01:00:51.640 talking um you know obviously people talk about therapy a lot um it's like you see a lot of this

01:00:58.380 um this guy i'm not assuming that this guy's is is military or maybe ex-military um but that's what

01:01:08.220 it sounds like um you know and it's like i have so many friends um you know that are in that

01:01:16.280 circumstance um i have tons of friends that were in the teams in different ways and you know like i

01:01:23.460 have a gosh a good handful of them now that have done ibogaine treatments you know so that's a big one

01:01:30.340 um for guys that's that's just got legalized in texas um used to have to go to mexico and do it

01:01:37.220 and um in other places but there's you know those kinds of things that they're coming out with now

01:01:44.060 um maybe looking into some of that um you know but either way the combination of being active

01:01:51.280 and reaching out and having those conversations you know and then us as as friends he's talking

01:01:59.520 about i've had too many friends i think it's also up to us when we know guys that have been through

01:02:04.680 traumatic things or whatever you know that could be or that just personality wise can get pulled

01:02:09.780 towards more depressing thoughts that it's important that we reach out every now and then

01:02:15.000 you know and just ask them how they're doing right and so it's a it's a hard one because the the

01:02:22.340 the worst part of depression is you feel alone and when you feel alone you stay you tend to

01:02:30.680 stay alone and so you need to do things that break you out of being alone you know and so whether it's

01:02:39.100 physical activity and getting out with people um and then like i said being engaged in conversations

01:02:45.620 about the things you're struggling with it's you have to do one of the two or both ideally

01:02:52.160 um is really your your best starting point yeah love it man i i don't have much to add i i you hit

01:03:00.840 the nail on the head for me or about loneliness it's it's not about doing hard things it's about

01:03:07.840 doing hard things and you don't feel that people see you and what you're dealing with and you don't

01:03:16.080 have an outlet that that's the hard part and i and what's fascinating like you know i'm i don't know

01:03:24.400 about you sean but there's been multiple times where i'm like in the funk and i just have a conversation

01:03:30.200 with someone and i feel like a hundred percent better a hundred percent better and mostly because

01:03:36.100 they can relate and they're like oh man yeah me too and and i'm like okay and it kind of like

01:03:41.220 i'm not alone in the suffering and and it's relatable and and this is why this is why this

01:03:50.400 conversation is so important um for men to have even if they're not at the level of like suicidal

01:04:00.200 because it creates it possible for other guys that it's okay for me to have that conversation with

01:04:07.600 kip because kip had that conversation with me right it it models the behavior right and this is why

01:04:15.160 what we do in the iron council this is why it's important that men surround themselves with like

01:04:20.860 minded guys you don't want losers in your circle no right those guys are not going to give you the

01:04:27.600 even proper advice that you need to have in fact if anything they're going to throw a bottle in

01:04:31.700 in your hand and say just sedate yourself that that's not what a good friend does but you need

01:04:38.580 guys that are open that are enlisting you in their struggles and when we do that as men we help others

01:04:45.320 we open up that opportunity and that possibility for them to do the same so whether you're depressed or

01:04:52.680 really struggling open up open up with guys in your circle you're serving them by doing that and it's

01:05:00.920 good for you too but that's how trust gets formed this is why there's such strong power in being

01:05:07.700 authentic it's not just like oh i have someone to talk to no when i'm opened up with sean and i'm

01:05:14.700 expressive about a struggle that i have our relationship in increases our relationship gets more trust why

01:05:23.880 because i put something out there and sean didn't run on me he didn't went oh you know what screw i hate 0.66

01:05:30.900 kip now and if he doesn't do that then my relationship with you just increased and it

01:05:37.600 increased why because now you know you can have that conversation with me right that's the power

01:05:43.060 of relationships and us being able to be raw with one another right and authentic with one another and

01:05:48.720 so if you're one of those guys it's like you have a good good group of friends and you want them to be

01:05:53.560 more open guess what the call to action is you need to be more open then lead show them how it's done

01:06:01.020 right and show them that it's it's it's fine and nothing's wrong with us sharing our struggles with

01:06:06.980 one another yeah and like as you're saying that i'm also thinking how i mentioned it's up to us to

01:06:12.880 reach out or whatever i mean um even in this conversation i had the thought of as i mentioned

01:06:19.620 the ibogaine stuff the reason i mentioned is i have three different friends that have done it and

01:06:23.680 that's like they swear by it it's been life-changing for them i mean like deep depression had a gun in

01:06:31.020 their mouth have tried to commit suicide you know one of them was committed suicide i think three times

01:06:37.620 you know and and unsuccessfully thank goodness um and with pills and things like that got the treatments

01:06:45.380 and he's he hasn't had those thoughts anymore right and he's a stud and all these things but as i'm

01:06:51.060 saying it like i still don't know enough like i'm thinking okay does the va help are they because it's

01:06:58.480 legal now are they helping you know take care of some of the cost with this because obviously there's

01:07:03.280 cost right and that's an excuse people come up with to not do these things or whatever so like me as a

01:07:08.480 person who wants to help guys with this and and willing to have these conversations i also think it's

01:07:13.380 important that as we hear about these things if we're in i guess you could say a leadership role

01:07:18.160 or at least you know a position to maybe help you know uh direct guys that we know are having issues

01:07:27.140 with these things is also be as informed as we can you know to make sure that we're giving the best

01:07:34.000 advice like as i say that i i found in myself a gap like i should probably know if the va now that it's

01:07:40.260 legal is helping take care of some of these costs because that's valuable information right to be

01:07:44.740 able to give and just the more informed we can have and the more we can help navigate people to to

01:07:50.900 positive spaces is uh it's only beneficial for all of us yeah absolutely sean thanks again man

01:07:59.780 always a great conversation with you uh thanks guys who submitted the questions i mean some of these

01:08:04.860 are kind of heavy man it was it was a good stuff it's not and i shouldn't even make i shouldn't

01:08:10.520 even say heavy right because now it has like even a negative undertone they're perfect great discussions

01:08:15.940 real raw right things that we should be talking about so thanks guys for submitting those questions

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Order of Man - November 05, 2025

Overcoming Limits, Building Vision, and Fighting Through Pain ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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