Order of Man - Overcoming Past Regret, Thoughts on Income Inequality, and Is There Destiny

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

00:00:05.000 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.440 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:17.240 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.800 you can call yourself a man. What's up, man? Good to see you again.

00:00:26.460 Good to see you. Another week of AMA. That's right, man. Seems like we only talk once a

00:00:32.240 week, but we get a lot done when we do talk. Yeah, I don't know if we get a lot done. We

00:00:35.880 have a lot of conversations. We share a lot of words. I don't know if it moves anything

00:00:39.000 in the right direction. We do share a lot of words. Although, you know what? For whatever

00:00:44.860 reason, I was kind of going through some old messages, and they were from people sending

00:00:50.700 us messages on the AMA, and it kind of got me fired up last night. I was like, you know

00:00:55.000 what? This is good stuff. All the messages that they were reaching out and telling you

00:00:59.980 how we were helping or whatever it may be. Exactly. Exactly. It kind of rejuvenated me

00:01:04.660 last night, and I kind of got fired up, and then, whether good or bad, I was listening

00:01:08.980 to MFCEO this morning, Andy Frazillo, and then I got even more fired up, and I was like,

00:01:13.980 okay, let's do this. He has the ability to do that for sure. Keep your swearing to a minimum,

00:01:19.500 Kip, if you would, please. I know. Totally. I'm like, you know, I'm worried about a little

00:01:23.340 bit of cursing. I listen to him. It's like one minute. I'm like, oh my gosh. I'm just

00:01:26.960 shaking my head. I've been pretty good about my lack of swearing, which is something I'm

00:01:33.920 trying to work on, so I've been pretty good at it, so it's been going well. I think we've

00:01:38.160 been doing good overall. Yeah, I think we've been doing better. I said better. I don't

00:01:42.800 know good, but better. Better. Well, it's progress. How's that? We're on the path of progress

00:01:49.200 in life. That's right. Hey, a couple of things before we get too much into this thing. I got

00:01:53.480 a message from a gentleman from Brazil. His name is Ed. Quite honestly, I can't remember.

00:01:58.340 He left me a voicemail on Instagram and asked if I'd give him a shout out. I'm like, yeah,

00:02:04.440 of course. So this is to Ed from Brazil. It was a voicemail on Instagram, so I didn't catch

00:02:10.720 his last name, and even if I did, I'm not sure I'd be able to pronounce it again, but Ed from

00:02:15.040 Brazil, you know who you are. We're glad you're tuning in. Also, somebody had sent me a message

00:02:20.280 that I thought would be pretty good as we talked today. They said, it would be good to know how

00:02:23.800 you and I met and then what we like best about each other and what we like least about each

00:02:28.660 other. I'm like, we're not married. And then we can hug it out maybe afterwards.

00:02:32.740 That's right. Yeah. That's right. So I thought as we get this thing kicked off, let's do that.

00:02:37.500 So, um, I'll give you my perspective and then, and then you share yours from there. How's that

00:02:43.040 sound? Sounds great. All right. So Kip and I met, uh, I think Kip, you were introduced through

00:02:48.960 or to the order of man podcast rather from a mutual friend, Mr. Matt Jenkins, who we just heard from

00:02:54.280 him a couple of days ago. He sent us both a text. Uh, and I think your initial reaction to the order

00:03:00.220 man Facebook group was like, what in the world is this? This is, I don't need this. I'm out of here.

00:03:05.300 But you did find out if I understand, stand correctly, that we had a podcast, which you

00:03:09.860 joined the podcast tuned into that. Uh, then not long after, I think you joined the iron council,

00:03:15.200 uh, became a team leader, became the, the, the, my right hand man, if you will. Then we started

00:03:21.220 doing this podcast and here we are, the rest is history. So, uh, we've, we've shared that at length,

00:03:25.500 I think before anything you would add to that as far as how we met. No, I mean, I think I listened

00:03:31.540 to that first, I, I don't even remember what the first episode was, but I remember listening to

00:03:36.120 the first episode. Cause I, first off, I thought the Facebook group was like something Matt added

00:03:40.780 me to, and it was like my way of supporting him. So I'm like, okay, yeah, sure. I'll join.

00:03:44.900 Oh, and then they're like, I'm getting over. Yeah. And I get all these messages and I'm like,

00:03:49.540 what the crap I'm going to unsubscribe because this is too loud, you know, too much noise for me.

00:03:53.920 Yeah. And then I happened to see you make a post about the podcast and I thought, Oh,

00:03:58.740 a podcast. That's cool. So I listened to an episode and it only took one. I listened to one

00:04:04.380 episode and I was like, this is really good stuff. And then I immediately, I'm just, maybe this is

00:04:10.200 part of my personality, but I immediately downloaded them all started from episode one. And, and for like

00:04:16.300 a few weeks I was just pounding through episodes so I could catch up, but I wanted to have the history

00:04:22.420 if that made sense. Um, and through that process, learn about the iron council from you talking

00:04:28.320 about it in the, um, on the podcast and immediately knew I'm like, man, I got to join these guys

00:04:33.920 at the time you announced the first uprising and it conflicted with something I wanted to do.

00:04:40.100 And I was like, dang it. And so uprising number two, obviously joined and, and, uh, yeah, it was

00:04:45.580 history right after that. So it's, it's been great, man. It's been, it's been an honor to just be a

00:04:50.920 member of the IC, let alone, um, to, to help, um, progress the movement forward. So

00:04:56.640 right on, man, it's been an honor to have you for sure. What, uh, do you remember the very first

00:05:00.660 episode that you listened to by chance? I don't, I don't, I wish, I know, I wish I would have

00:05:07.000 made note of it, you know, of some sort, but you wouldn't have known, right? You didn't,

00:05:11.120 I mean, you don't know what you don't know. So it's not like it was some, but this is back in the

00:05:14.400 day when you only did the interview shows on Tuesdays. Right. So it was a interview with

00:05:20.140 someone. I don't remember who, but yeah. All right. Well, let's get into the second component

00:05:25.380 of this question, which is what do you, what do you appreciate or admire? And I'm, and I'm just

00:05:29.600 paraphrasing here. Appreciate or admire about each other. And what is one thing that maybe, I can't

00:05:35.460 remember exactly what he said, not like least like, but that one thing that you would change a little

00:05:40.260 bit. So something like that a little bit. Yeah. Something like that. So he's trying to create a

00:05:44.880 riff is what he's trying to do. Yeah. Well, I don't think, I mean, you and I have a pretty good

00:05:48.640 relationship that we haven't like pulled punches. If something bothers us, like it's not really

00:05:53.000 bothering, but if, if there's something like, we've always been willing to share that with each

00:05:57.040 other. So, all right. So what I like best about Kip, I really like Kip's, uh, perspective. I like Kip

00:06:04.220 that you're empathetic. Um, you're very thoughtful in a way that I am not. Um, I tend to be more

00:06:09.640 reactionary versus you who is, is more of a thinker and let's analyze this. Let's figure it

00:06:17.480 out before we jump into a conclusion and rush to something that isn't, isn't, isn't right based on

00:06:22.940 the information we have that I really admire and appreciate you about, uh, about because, uh, again,

00:06:29.260 I think it compliments what I bring to the table and, uh, and, and there's value in that. And it's

00:06:34.300 opened up my perspective, uh, and my desire to be more empathetic and understanding of what

00:06:39.380 people are experiencing without jumping to a conclusion or rushing to judgment.

00:06:43.920 That's what I would say. Uh, again, I don't know how to phrase this one thing that just like,

00:06:50.220 again, I don't know how to phrase it like bugs me or, or, or something. I, again, I don't know how,

00:06:55.180 uh, as I would say at the same time, you know, our strengths become our weaknesses.

00:07:00.260 So sometimes you want to analyze and pour over the data and the information and let's get the numbers.

00:07:06.620 And I'm like, dude, we don't need the numbers. We just need to go, just go, go, go, go, go. So

00:07:12.120 it's like, that might seem like a cop out, but again, our strengths are weaknesses. So I appreciate

00:07:18.300 your perception. I appreciate your perspective, your thoughtfulness. You, you really want to know

00:07:23.900 what's going on before you make decisions. But at the same time, like, dude, I don't want to know

00:07:28.080 what's going on. I just want to go. Cause I tend to be a little bit more, maybe rely a little bit

00:07:33.820 more intuitively as opposed to thoughtfully. So, uh, yeah, that's, that's where I'm at.

00:07:41.700 Yeah, no, that's great. Actually. Well, and it's funny because in that same breath, those are,

00:07:47.480 those are your pro and con as well. Like the complete opposite, right? I love the fact

00:07:52.580 that you're a man of action. Like your default behavior is we'll act, we'll figure it out. We'll

00:07:58.100 learn through that process of action and we're not going to overanalyze it or whatever. And then

00:08:03.240 the same breath, I sometimes think, dude, we need to think about this a little bit more, right?

00:08:07.640 Because we may like go down a path and go, Oh shit, maybe we shouldn't. We're talking about

00:08:12.100 swearing, huh? Um, Oh shoot. You know, maybe we should have thought about that first. Cause now we

00:08:16.980 implemented something that maybe not have was ideal and we should have tested first or, you know what I

00:08:21.520 mean? Try things out more. And so it's a complete cop cop out as well, because it's the complete

00:08:26.900 opposite of, of you. But I think that's, that's one of your traits that I admire. Um, in the same

00:08:33.160 breath though, you know what I, what through this podcast, what I've learned. And I, and it's funny

00:08:40.340 because I don't think I admired you for this without the experience of being involved on this podcast.

00:08:45.960 Uh, and it is your compassion and your drive and clarity in regards to how you see things.

00:08:54.340 Hmm. And, and I, and I don't think I realized how valuable that is and, uh, detrimental possibly,

00:09:03.300 uh, you use the analogy in the past of, you know, light yourself on fire, let people watch.

00:09:08.420 And, and I have my own interpretation of what that means when you say that. And, and part of it comes

00:09:13.980 down to being open to people criticizing you because the reality of it is, is once you, once you have a

00:09:20.780 strong opinion, it's kind of dangerous. Oh, for sure. And it's, and it's dangerous on this platform,

00:09:27.220 right? I had a friend from, from high school. She sent me a message. She's like, Oh, I'm listening

00:09:32.460 to a podcast. And I really thought about, I thought, Whoa, uh, is she going to agree with me? Is she not

00:09:38.120 going to agree with me? And how often we go throughout our lives without a platform like this,

00:09:43.500 where you keep your opinions to yourself and, and people may love you because you keep your

00:09:48.520 opinion to yourself and your opinions, not known. And it doesn't know if that's why they would love

00:09:52.920 you, but they don't love you. They don't hate you. Yeah. But once you have a platform and you're

00:09:58.760 running around with, this is my opinion, blah, blah, blah, blah. And this is how it should be.

00:10:02.900 All of a sudden it gives everyone the opportunity to go. I disagree. Right. And, and B because of this

00:10:08.340 platform, it really puts you and kind of me, uh, through, uh, through helping kind of on this

00:10:16.380 pet, not a pedestal, but on this stage for everyone to sit back and go, I agree. I disagree. And not

00:10:23.380 only that, I don't like you because I disagree. Right. And, and I disagree with that. Like, I don't

00:10:28.280 think we, like we had someone made a comment the other day on YouTube. He said, Oh, I've been listening

00:10:33.880 to you guys for a while. Love it. Not listening anymore because I disagreed with like a,

00:10:38.340 a point. And I'm like, Whoa, that's the world we live in. That's the world we live. Oh, I disagree

00:10:43.520 with one thing about Ryan. And then I go, well, screw that. Can't listen to you more. Like you're

00:10:48.440 not educated enough to go, Hey, I like his thought process. I don't disagree. I don't agree with him

00:10:53.640 here, but, but I still like what I hear. And I'm still going to grow from it. We can't do that.

00:10:58.700 Yeah. It's weird. It's really weird. I had a guy email me the other day, in fact, and he said,

00:11:03.660 man, I really love your podcast. I love what you guys stand for and what you do, but you had this one

00:11:07.000 particular guest on and I don't like this guy or I had an experience with him and, and et cetera,

00:11:12.560 et cetera. And so, man, it's just going to take a lot for me to listen to your podcast again.

00:11:17.520 And I don't know if he was expecting an apology or, Oh, please come back. Like, let me beg you to

00:11:23.560 come listen to my podcast. But I simply said, Hey, look, man, like we do our best to vet guys.

00:11:28.440 I know the people that we have on are at times controversial and you're not going to dig everybody,

00:11:33.680 but if you honestly can't listen to the podcast because you happen to disagree or not like one

00:11:41.000 guest, I don't know what to tell you, man. Like I'm not here to beg for your attention or to listen

00:11:45.920 to the shows, like do what you got to do. But I mean, this is a little ridiculous. Don't throw the

00:11:52.460 baby out with the bathwater, but you know why that is, is because we have this completely

00:11:58.900 unparalleled level of access to information on demand. So, and, and I actually made this analogy

00:12:05.380 with, um, with my guest yesterday, Scott Adams. And the analogy I used is, do you remember like

00:12:13.520 when you and I were growing up, we had tapes, right? That's how we listened to music, right?

00:12:17.280 Tapes. And so we'd have to put, yes, mixed tapes. That's right, man. So we'd have to put the tape in

00:12:23.000 and then we'd have to listen to everything. Cause it was kind of a pain in the butt to have to fast

00:12:27.840 forward to the one song that we want. And if you're really rich, you would have the tape player

00:12:32.520 that would know when there's a blank spot and it could maybe jump to that song. Yeah. So we had

00:12:38.580 these, we had these, we had tapes and before that was eight tracks, right? And, and then we moved to

00:12:43.200 CDs and then you could just skip to the song that you like. So music got shittier because the whole

00:12:48.780 album didn't need to be good. You just needed one good song. And then we moved from CDs to, uh,

00:12:55.000 music on demand where you can literally just buy one song. So if an artist has one song out of

00:13:01.240 hundreds of songs, then that potentially could put him or her on the map. And so what happened?

00:13:07.300 Well, music continues to get worse and worse because it used to be that the whole, the entire

00:13:11.880 album had to be good because everybody was forced to listen. No one wanted to buy a whole album for one

00:13:16.500 song. Yeah. Right. And you had to listen to the whole thing to get to the one that you actually

00:13:20.420 wanted. So this is also the problem with social media is that if we don't like something, we just

00:13:27.240 like delete it, block it, ban it, you know, make fun of it, ridicule it, mock it, and then move on to

00:13:33.080 something that we like. And then also we have this unparalleled level of confirmation bias. So now if I,

00:13:38.920 if there's something that said that either I don't like or threatens my own perception of the world,

00:13:45.400 then I just banish that to outer darkness and just keep clicking on the things that I do like.

00:13:52.540 And then Google and all of these other platforms are in Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube are

00:13:59.960 incentivized for putting information in front of you that you are more likely to click on, which is the

00:14:07.300 stuff that you agree with confirmation bias. So now we have this cycle, this non, and it quite literally

00:14:13.780 is nonstop 24 seven cycle of information, news, stories, uh, entertainment that all caters to us

00:14:21.980 individually. And then we're so conditioned to feel good about our own perception of reality

00:14:27.340 that when anything challenges it, because we're not used to receiving challenge to our ideas,

00:14:32.940 it's blown out of proportion and blown out of the water. And, and we fall into this trap of what's the

00:14:40.280 quote, never fall, fall into the vulgar trap of believing that every time you are contradicted,

00:14:44.660 you are persecuted. And yet if I go in and say, Hey man, I don't agree with this because dot,

00:14:49.760 dot, dot, dot, dot, that individual believes that I'm personally attacking them. Like they've been

00:14:54.020 conditioned to believe that that's a, an actual threat to their wellbeing, that somebody disagrees with

00:14:59.320 them. So I know I'm rambling here, but I've really tried to make a conscious effort specifically

00:15:05.240 lately after reading that book from my, from my guest yesterday, Scott Adams, uh, called loser

00:15:09.620 think, but I've really tried to make a conscious effort of even when somebody comes back with a

00:15:15.240 comment that's, that's rude or whatever, whatever it may be, then very simply just not, not letting my

00:15:23.680 emotions get to me and just saying, Hey man, like you seem to be really upset. I hope you're able to

00:15:28.640 work everything out and, and just kind of let the chips fall where they may. But it's a really

00:15:33.380 interesting. I don't even know how we got off on this tangent, but man, it's a really interesting

00:15:37.500 time that we live in. It's a great time, especially with social media. And, and obviously that's how

00:15:43.140 we met and got connected and that's how we're doing this podcast. But at the same time, you've

00:15:47.420 got to be very, very careful because it's easy to fall into the trap of believing that your perception

00:15:52.580 of reality is the only one that matters. And every information and stimulus around you is designed

00:15:59.120 intentionally to support your own current reality. You're not expanding yourself to new thoughts and

00:16:04.260 ideas. And, and I think a good example of this, Ryan is you and Ryan holiday, because a couple

00:16:11.100 episodes ago, you guys talked about religion a little bit about the belief in God. I know that

00:16:17.260 you believe in God. I know that Ryan holiday doesn't, which I didn't know that by the way,

00:16:21.040 until that interview, you didn't get all pissed off and go, well, screw that. I'm never bringing

00:16:25.940 Ryan holiday on the podcast. Right. Why? Right. Because you weren't threatened by it.

00:16:30.200 Right. It doesn't matter to me. Exactly. And it's so funny. Like even the other day, someone,

00:16:34.960 someone pinged me on instant, uh, on Instagram and said, Hey, uh, we have a boy. Actually it was my

00:16:40.920 cousin. Uh, he pinged me and says, Hey, uh, Megan and I are having a boy. We want, you know, what,

00:16:46.080 what's a really good book that you would recommend? And I said, you, you need to read the boy crisis.

00:16:50.240 Like you have to read it. Yeah. Like that book is so damn and darn informative and beneficial,

00:16:56.620 but here's the irony. Half that book. I completely kind of disagree with. Right. Right. Right.

00:17:02.600 There's aspects of it. I'm like, nah, not for me. Like I, I disagree with that aspect of it,

00:17:07.220 but I'm not throwing the book away. Right. Cause I'm saying, Hey, there's some really good chunks of

00:17:11.900 information in here. I see where he's coming from. I may not agree with that entirely, but it's still

00:17:17.260 a great book. And, and, and it's funny how, how easy or quickly we demonize people just because

00:17:23.040 they disagree with us on something. And because of that, we, we shorten our ability to understand

00:17:28.760 other people's point of view. And it's really unfortunate. It is. And, and I would say that

00:17:34.520 the, the best way to combat this is just to exercise a little discernment guys, when you're

00:17:40.340 listening to us or you're listening to another podcast or watching a video or reading a book.

00:17:44.380 Agree with you. Agree with us. Agree with us. Yes. But it's just exercise some discernment.

00:17:53.240 It's interesting. You could say, you could say the sky is blue and somebody would come back and say,

00:17:59.020 well, sometimes it's cloudy. And when it's night, it's black and it's like, and then I'll come back

00:18:04.660 and I'll say, dude, obviously like there's exceptions to that. And there's times where the sky maybe isn't

00:18:09.800 blue. And they would say, well, you said, and they take everything. So literally it's like,

00:18:16.300 guys exercise, some discernment, exercise, some critical thinking. Don't believe everything that

00:18:24.000 you hear, even with guys that you completely admire and respect, question everything, be skeptical in a

00:18:30.380 healthy way, not pessimistic, but skeptical of the information that you're receiving. Confirm it

00:18:36.520 from multiple sources that don't necessarily agree. Like be very, very slow to accept somebody's

00:18:43.600 statements as ultimate truth. Uh, and then respond that way. It's, it's very rarely is that the case

00:18:49.720 and very rarely is it, is it somebody's intention to deliberately mislead you or paint something so

00:18:56.920 black and white and, and without the realization that there are exceptions and, and deviations from

00:19:02.840 generally held principles. Yeah. And just understand the context of things. Yes. You and I, we, we

00:19:09.160 express our opinion about it based upon what, where I am in life based upon what I've experienced at the

00:19:15.700 age of 40 based upon living in the state of Utah, based upon being raised on a farm. Like that's my

00:19:20.820 perception. That's my context based upon what I understand. And is that going to possibly change for

00:19:26.280 us over the next 10 years? Yeah, it should, we should be going, you know, I'm sure at one point

00:19:33.360 we're going to listen to some AMAs in the past and I'm going to go, uh, yeah, no, I can't believe I

00:19:39.420 said that. I kind of disagree with that now. Right. You know, see, take it for what it's worth. Yeah.

00:19:46.180 Anyhow. Yeah. You should be evolving. You should be growing. You should be changing. You should be

00:19:49.940 thinking of new ideas and developing new thought patterns and getting new information. All of those

00:19:55.240 things are a plus. All right, let's get into the questions. That was a long, uh, 20 minutes about

00:20:01.220 Ryan. I think it was more about what you don't like about me than what it was. Now, if you guys

00:20:07.900 want to hear who, what I like about Brian, uh, Mitchler, then, uh, ask that question and then we

00:20:14.280 can go on, uh, that other guy. I don't want to hear about him. All right. Kevin Omar, Kevin Omar,

00:20:22.040 a Ponte Garcia. Woo. Woo. What is destiny to you? This is good. This is good stuff here.

00:20:29.640 What is destiny to you? And what is it to Kip Sorensen? Does it mean anything to either of you?

00:20:34.800 No, it doesn't mean anything to me. Uh, there's, there's no destiny. Now this is where it gets

00:20:44.440 tricky. Okay. I'm going to, I'm going to approach this from a religious or a spiritual belief. Okay.

00:20:51.020 This is my opinion as if I need to say that. Okay. Everything I say is my opinion, guys. All right.

00:20:57.000 Okay. God has a plan and God is all knowing he's omnipotent. So he already knows the path

00:21:09.340 for me and you and everybody else. So the question then begs, if he already knows the path,

00:21:17.320 is there free will? Is there destiny? Is there this or there's that? The reason I believe

00:21:23.640 that or, or, or don't really put much stock in the thought of destiny is because I don't know the

00:21:32.200 path. I don't know it. Yeah. And because I don't know it, I I'm not operation operating from the

00:21:40.200 perspective of knowing what my destiny is. Therefore, because I am ignorant to the path

00:21:45.600 that is laid out before me, I am free to choose my own path. Now, if I had a perfect understanding

00:21:53.740 and a perfect knowledge of the plan, I would lose my free will because then I'm making decisions about

00:22:00.540 my life and my actions based on knowing the future. I don't know the future. So everything that I do is

00:22:08.420 going to alter my current reality. And therefore I don't put much stock in destiny. I also believe

00:22:16.740 that destiny is a very passive way to live life. Cause what I hear guys say specifically from a

00:22:22.120 religious and a spiritual perspective is, well, if God wants it to happen, it'll just happen. If it's

00:22:27.640 meant to be, it just meant to be. And usually when I hear that, I think that's somebody's BS excuse

00:22:34.560 to be passive and, and not more assertive in the way that they're living their life,

00:22:40.560 the actions that they're taking, the thoughts that they have and what they're ultimately making out of

00:22:45.160 their life. So do I believe there's a destiny on one hand? Yes. I do believe that there's a path for

00:22:51.960 us. And on the other hand, because I don't know what the perfect path is, I am free to choose my own

00:22:59.540 course of action. Yeah. The analogy I use a lot is like, is if you remember those, uh, those books

00:23:05.880 where it's choose your own adventure. Yeah. And if you went to the very back of the book, you could

00:23:11.100 see like, what is the end result? It's already laid out for you. Right. But you read one chapter

00:23:16.360 and because you don't know the end of the book, you read one chapter and then it gives you, if you want

00:23:20.760 this option, go to page 10. If you want this option, go to page 17. Because you didn't know the entire

00:23:28.080 thing of the book. When you got that first section, you had to make a choice based on only the

00:23:36.260 information that you had at your disposal, which is pages you just read. So you were free to make

00:23:42.920 that choice free from knowing what your path ultimately is. I hope that makes sense. Yeah,

00:23:48.700 I think it does. I, I like to think of destiny. Destiny sounds like a singular response, right? It's

00:23:56.900 like, it's my destiny, not destiny's or whatever. And so I don't like it because I think that we all

00:24:03.960 have potential and whether we reach our full potential or not is yet to be determined.

00:24:13.080 And, and so I, I like to think of it that way of, did you live a great life? Did you reach

00:24:19.640 your potential? Did you ultimately do with, with life, what was available to you and take advantage

00:24:27.080 of those opportunities? If the answer to those things is yes, by the time we die, then did you

00:24:32.900 reach your destiny in my definition? Sure. But I, I don't think it's this kind of prebuilt, like it's

00:24:38.980 your destiny. You know what I mean? And, and you, you know, I don't know. I, I think we have

00:24:43.940 opportunities and potential and whether we reach it or not is up to us and our agency. Um, but I

00:24:51.180 don't think it's a destiny. Although I like the kind of the idea of it sounds kind of cool to have

00:24:56.160 a destiny, but I think it's just reaching your full potential. I, you know, I do believe that

00:25:01.840 all of us are here for a reason. Now I get to your point, whether we meet that reason or not isn't,

00:25:08.160 is up to us through our thoughts and our actions. But if we, if we wanted to dig deeper into this,

00:25:13.480 you could even ask, and I have a problem with the phrase full potential because what does that

00:25:19.900 even mean? It's never ending. Yeah. And it's never ending. It's moving. So let's say, you know,

00:25:26.280 and we'll just try to break this down as into simplistic terms, just for the sake of having

00:25:30.640 this discussion. Let's say that I wanted to, that, that I could deadlift 400 pounds right now.

00:25:37.720 And, and that's my full potential. Like that is, that's my maximum right now. Right.

00:25:43.480 So then if I keep exercising and keep working through it, then I can increase my potential by

00:25:50.860 making myself stronger. So did I reach my full potential when I hit 400? I mean, I reached my

00:25:56.440 current potential, but I didn't reach my full potential because now I'm lifting, you know,

00:26:02.440 four 25 or four 50 or whatever. Right. So it continues to go up.

00:26:05.920 Still alive. Yeah. You're still alive. Still kicking. Yeah. Yeah.

00:26:09.740 So full potential is kind of a, kind of an interesting one as well.

00:26:13.640 Yeah. Well, and, and we've, we've talked about stoicism quite a bit and that was the topic in

00:26:17.700 the IC this past month. And, and that this came up a lot, right. Of when is it over, right. For a

00:26:24.680 stoic. And it's like, it's not until you're on your deathbed, then that's the moment of somewhat of a

00:26:30.740 measurement to say, did I live a good life? You know, until then keep trying to live a better

00:26:37.880 life. Yeah. Going. Yeah. All right. Cool. What's next? Brendan, uh, Burroughs, my wife and I have a

00:26:44.640 daughter and I'm struggling to balance when to let her get away with things and when to get onto her.

00:26:50.520 Sometimes I feel like I'm hard and then not hard enough. How do you balance being fun? Dad.

00:26:56.500 She can go to, uh, that she can go to, but being strict at the same time.

00:27:02.320 I don't, I don't think that they're mutually exclusive and I don't think you should let your

00:27:06.140 kids get away with anything. Now, the way that you approach it or discuss it might be different

00:27:10.820 depending on the severity of what, what she may be doing. But if, for example, I walked around the

00:27:17.740 house this morning and there was a bunch of lights on in the house, like welcome to fatherhood.

00:27:21.320 Right. So, so I, I got my gift. I'm sorry. I have to interrupt. This is such a father thing.

00:27:28.620 It's so funny. Yeah. There was a holiday movie. It was like last year and the kid was making like

00:27:35.680 waking up in the middle of the night, adjusting the thermostat. Oh, I don't know. I got together

00:27:40.480 like, are you going to allow her to modify the thermostat? Like, I don't know what it is, but dad's

00:27:47.640 thermostats and lights, man. Right. Right. Totally. Totally. So I got my kids together

00:27:54.000 this morning. I'm like, Hey guys, like we just need to do a better job of turning the lights off.

00:27:58.540 When you leave the room, check two things. Is it clean? And is the light off? Yeah. Every time you

00:28:03.200 leave a room, just is it clean? And is the light off? Now I'm not going to, I'm not going to have

00:28:08.920 like a complete mental breakdown over that. Right. But I'm certainly not going to let it. Cause if I

00:28:14.560 excuse it once, then I'm basically encouraging it. I'm like, it's cool. Go ahead and do this.

00:28:19.520 Yeah. It's cool. That's fine. Or if my kids come in when the do not disturb sign is on the front,

00:28:24.580 on the door of my office and I'm like, Oh no, it's okay. Come on in. I'll make an exception.

00:28:29.600 Then, then I'm undermining the principle of having that thing on the door. So I tell them, Hey guys,

00:28:34.920 if you see that sign on, that means that you can't come in because I'm in a, in a phone call or in a

00:28:39.980 meeting or, or engaged and I can't be available right now. So I don't let my kids get away with

00:28:45.600 anything. It's just the severity of how you approach it or the level at which you approach it

00:28:51.140 or the style that you approach it. Is it just a simple, Hey guys, remember that sign, you know,

00:28:56.840 the rules. Oh yeah. Yep. That's right. Good. Done. Versus, okay, this is something more,

00:29:02.920 more serious. There needs to be some discipline here. And in that case, there may be some punishment

00:29:07.800 or some restrictions that are put in place because of the severity of what a child is trying

00:29:12.600 to get away with. So again, I don't think, I think you should respond to everything. And at the same

00:29:19.440 time, I think you should have fun with your kids. They're not, they're not mutually exclusive.

00:29:24.820 Yeah. And I think this, this comes down to the conversation of establishing boundaries

00:29:29.040 and, and with went and holding those boundaries, whatever those boundaries are, come up with them

00:29:35.660 and you need to enforce them. You can't let your kids, you can't establish a boundary and let your

00:29:41.280 kids go beyond the boundary. Cause then it's not a boundary. It's not a boundary. And what are you

00:29:46.740 teaching them? That, that when they do X or there's a boundary established and I do it anyway,

00:29:53.280 it's no big deal. Like it's the lesson that you're teaching around boundaries. That is actually like

00:29:58.520 more detrimental than the lights or whatever it is that your kid's doing. It's the lesson being taught.

00:30:04.120 One, one, one more thing. I've kind of riled up today. One, one thing I love about this is

00:30:10.140 what some parents do. And, and I like what you said, Ryan, cause you're like, well,

00:30:15.200 the severity in which you handle the situation. And, and I think it comes down to not being overly,

00:30:20.520 not being overly emotional or appropriately emotional based upon the scenario. And, and the reason why I

00:30:27.560 bring this up is cause I've seen this in, in our own house where kid does X, I overreact or mom

00:30:35.520 overreacts in, overreacts in an ineffective way, right? We're yelling or we're upset or whatever.

00:30:42.000 And then we say, there's a consequence. Oh, well you're grounded, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:30:47.200 And then what happens? Time goes by a little bit. And as a parent, you go, yeah, I didn't handle that.

00:30:53.400 Well, I, you know, I was maybe too angry or the, the consequences were too severe. And then what

00:31:00.360 do you do? Go back and go, Hey, sorry, I didn't mean to do that. And then you let the boundaries

00:31:06.360 go. And then you teach your kid. Oh, okay. This is how this works, right? Mom gets pissed off.

00:31:14.180 She'll come off the cliff and then I'll be able to get whatever I want. Right. And so we got to be

00:31:18.340 really careful in regards to how we establish those boundaries, not being overly extreme.

00:31:23.000 where we then feel guilty and then go beyond the boundary or don't withstand the boundary or hold

00:31:29.080 the boundary in place or whatever term I guess we want to use for that. I just, this establishing

00:31:33.700 boundaries portion is, I think, super, super critical. And that allows you not to be so crazy

00:31:38.300 about it. It's like, Hey, this was the rule set. I'm, I hate grounding you. Right. I hate the fact

00:31:44.060 that you can't take the car because, but this is the rule set in which we established. I'm sorry,

00:31:48.560 but got to follow the rules. Right. And, and also, and I think this goes without saying,

00:31:54.080 but making sure that you communicate what the boundary is, right? Because there's a lot of

00:31:58.320 people who have boundaries in their mind. Like, well, I put that sign on the door.

00:32:01.300 What, what the hell? Why don't they? Yeah, exactly. Well, they don't know. Well, they should know.

00:32:06.700 Well, they don't. So it doesn't matter. Shoulda, coulda, woulda. They don't. So communicate the

00:32:11.420 boundary. So there's no, uh, miscommunication about what exactly is to happen or isn't supposed

00:32:17.140 to happen. All right. What's next? Do you like the OG by the way? I do, man. The, are you talking

00:32:22.880 about the shirt? Yeah. Yeah, man. I love it. What's the name of this? What's it? Yeah. What's

00:32:28.260 the name? That, I don't know. I don't even know if it had a shirt or a name. I think it was just like,

00:32:33.640 do you want to order a shirt? I think it says the brotherhood on the back, right? Yeah.

00:32:37.540 That's the brotherhood shirt. Yeah. That's the brotherhood shirt right there. Still looks like

00:32:41.760 it's in good condition, man. Dude, I don't wear it very often. I keep a nice. You do that or you

00:32:46.860 don't wash it. Well, so it doesn't get out. I hardly ever wear it. Yeah. Yeah. Just like

00:32:51.540 wear it half a day and then I put it back. We had this thing. I was talking with my wife the other

00:32:55.880 day. I don't know how we got on the kick, but we had this thing in basketball when I was in high

00:33:00.580 school that you couldn't wash your practice. Well, no, let me say this way. Once your practice

00:33:05.840 jersey could stand up on its own, then you had to wash it. Oh man. And I remember there was a time

00:33:11.740 it's so crunchy and stiff that I just like draped it and set it on the ground and it literally stayed

00:33:17.860 in its form standing up. My sleeveless basketball jersey is pretty disgusting. Same thing. You'll

00:33:25.200 like pull it out of the locker and it's all stiff and then you'd have to get it all sweaty to get it

00:33:29.620 like. Yeah, exactly. So gross. Like, like 20 minutes into practice, it would finally loosen

00:33:35.880 up on you a little bit. Sick. All right. What else? All right. Matthew Klein. What's something you wish

00:33:42.800 you learned in high school to wash your jersey? Wash my clothes. Importance of hygiene. I don't know. I

00:33:51.180 don't really understand the point of these questions. Yeah. Maybe you can enlighten me. It's like,

00:33:57.320 I don't, I don't get like, what's something you wish you learned in your thirties? What's something

00:34:01.140 you would learn stuff all the time? Like just learn. I'm constantly learning things and yeah,

00:34:09.200 maybe what I wish I would have learned it earlier, but here's the catch with that. I had a lot of

00:34:13.140 people ask me this in my financial planning practice. I would, I would teach them about

00:34:16.880 investments or help them with their portfolios or whatever it was. And they'd say, man, where were you

00:34:20.980 10 years ago? And I'd say, would you have listened 10 years ago? And I said, no, I probably wouldn't

00:34:27.120 have enough money to invest. Exactly. So don't worry about it. Just figure out what you need to

00:34:32.620 learn, right? And where are you deficient? What information do you need to have? What skill set

00:34:37.460 do you need to develop? What are your goals and ambitions and learn it now? Like, don't worry about

00:34:40.700 what you should have learned 10 years ago. 10 years is gone. Just what do you need to know right now

00:34:45.760 and do that? So the better question on this would be, I'm not trying to beat this guy up. I'm just

00:34:52.800 saying like, I get these questions a lot. The better question there's, there's a phrase or a

00:34:57.640 quote that I really like. The quality of your life will be determined by the quality of your questions.

00:35:01.720 So let me give you, instead of answering that question, let me give you a better question to ask.

00:35:06.280 Hey, Ryan, I'm trying to grow my financial planning practice. What is the single best strategy you use

00:35:14.580 for getting new clients? Infinitely better question, right? Or, hey, Ryan, I'm really trying to determine

00:35:23.260 if the woman that I'm dating right now is, is somebody that I should consider marrying. What are some

00:35:29.820 things to consider as you're contemplating popping the question? Beautiful question. Cause it's, it's

00:35:37.440 specific and it approaches exactly what you want to learn. Yeah. Well, and maybe if Matthew's in high

00:35:44.840 school and he's asking from the perspective of something you wish, because what's something that

00:35:50.280 you would recommend that I make a priority while in high school or you know what I mean? Well, then that's

00:35:56.720 a better question, right? So a better question would be, Hey, Ryan, I'm about to graduate and I really

00:36:01.500 don't know if I should go to college. What should I consider before I go to college or as I'm making this

00:36:06.840 choice? Yeah. Cause if you just say, what's, what's something you wish you learned in high school,

00:36:12.580 everything, like everything I possibly could have learned, it would have been cooler if I would have

00:36:17.900 learned in high school, but I didn't. Yeah. Well, and, and what, what value does that bring to the

00:36:25.580 table? I mean, the reality of it is, is we made certain decisions in high school. Some of them were

00:36:29.420 great. Some of them were not so great, but based upon the maturity level that I had in high school and

00:36:34.400 based upon the experiences, those are the decisions I made. Like, you know, and even the

00:36:40.100 quote unquote bad decisions led you to where you are right now. Totally. And if you don't like where

00:36:45.480 you are right now, okay, great. What changes do you need to make right now? And it has nothing to do

00:36:50.120 with your past because well, you can't change it anyway. So it's like, so I hear you. So I'm going to,

00:36:56.360 so I'm going to say that the answer to the question is regarding what, like, give me something

00:37:03.200 specific and then I can answer a specific question for you. And I mean, I, I, there's a lot of things

00:37:08.200 so much so that I can't even think of one thing that would have been like, Oh, this is the one

00:37:11.740 thing I should learn in high school. Guys get very specific on your questions. This will serve you

00:37:15.520 not only in the podcast world, but it'll serve you in life, whether you're interviewing or dating or

00:37:22.200 advancing in your career or trying to build a band of brothers or buddies. Uh, like it's being

00:37:29.880 specific with your questions and asking better questions will enhance your life.

00:37:36.920 Luke Watts. Every question I go to write down, I hear the answer in my head. Just do it. Adapt and

00:37:43.560 overcome. Focus on the tactic. I'm going to add some, use the battle planner, read sovereignty,

00:37:50.360 et cetera. Thanks for all the questions. Ask better questions. Thanks for all the advice given

00:37:56.480 since I started tuning in over a year ago. And then he asks kind of a fun question. Is there any

00:38:02.320 animal that you, Australian animal that you would consider eating?

00:38:10.320 Uh, I would try. I don't know. You'd need to mad. I'd probably try eating anything if it was cooked.

00:38:16.780 I would eat a kangaroo. I'd eat a snake. I'd eat an alligator or whatever you have,

00:38:21.320 alligators or crocodiles. Yeah. A koala bear. You'd eat those. I don't, I don't think so. They're too

00:38:27.000 cute. People wouldn't allow that. Yeah. Um, I used to tell my kids when we got pizza, and I don't

00:38:33.600 know why I got in this doing this, but they'd ask me what was on it. I'm like, Oh, that's hippopotamus

00:38:37.180 meat. And they're like, what? I don't know if they have hippos in Australia or if that's an African

00:38:41.980 thing, but they, they're like, what really? I'm like, yeah, it's the hippopotamus pizza. It's good.

00:38:48.060 And then I'm like, that's gross. I'm like, no, it's delicious. And then they wouldn't eat my pizza.

00:38:51.780 They'd eat my, their cheese pizza. And then I could have all the pizza that I wanted on my own.

00:38:54.940 So played. Well played. Um, yeah, I would eat, eat lots of animals. I think koalas are too,

00:39:00.820 uh, too cute on the, on the too high on the cute and cuddly index for people to be okay with you

00:39:06.380 eating them. Okay. Same thing with bear bear. People have a problem with bear because they're cute.

00:39:12.300 Yes. People have a problem. Bear, bear, like a bear, kill you. Yes. Because they think they're cute.

00:39:18.060 Because you have teddy bears and you have Yogi bear and you have like bears are cute. Bears are not

00:39:23.180 cute. Bears will destroy you. My, our neighbors just brought some bear meat over. I've never had

00:39:27.840 it before, but they brought bear meat over. So I'm excited to try that. I tried moose meat for the

00:39:31.620 first time just last night and it was delicious. Really, really good. That's a lot of meat too.

00:39:37.640 A lot of meat. I kind of liken that one to, I mean, it has a different taste, but it's lean. It's like

00:39:43.520 an elk. It was not very gamey, not gamey at all. It was delicious. Yeah. All right. Cody

00:39:50.000 alphabet. What's something from your past that you regret doing or not doing and the impact that it

00:39:57.780 makes in your life or the lives of others? Have you been able to correct it since? This is kind

00:40:02.620 of like the other question, but I don't know. Yeah, it is. Um, you know, I, I pro one thing I do tell

00:40:09.900 people, especially the young men in our, in our church organization, as I tell them that I would

00:40:14.180 have served, uh, a church mission. So in our church, uh, when you're 18, 19 years old, sometimes

00:40:19.400 older, uh, you have the option to, uh, go on a church mission for two years. And so that's something

00:40:27.860 I wish I would have done. Um, I didn't do that at the time. And I mean, I don't regret doing it. I

00:40:33.440 just think, you know, if, if I was to do it over, that's something I would take advantage of. Um,

00:40:37.280 and in the future, my wife and I plan on going on a mission when we get older and retire. Uh,

00:40:42.320 so, you know, I'll rectify that situation then, but you know, there isn't really anything where

00:40:46.240 I'm like, Oh, I wish I would have done that or wish I wouldn't have done that. I mean,

00:40:49.480 I made stupid decisions and I made some smart ones as well. And that's a culmination of who I am today.

00:40:54.060 So I don't play the game of like, what, how do you, what's the one thing you wish you would have

00:40:58.640 done? If there's something I realized that I'm deficient in, I just correct it. Correct it now. Now.

00:41:03.180 Yeah, that's it. Totally. I have the perfect example of that. I mean,

00:41:07.160 I, by the way, I'm the same way. Uh, I, I wish I would have went on a, on a mission. I didn't

00:41:11.820 either. Um, and I really think for two things, one, it would have gave me an opportunity to serve

00:41:16.580 and I, and really put other people before myself. I think it would have pushed me in a level of

00:41:22.100 maturity that I probably didn't naturally create for myself. The other thing it would have kept me

00:41:27.620 off of the discussion of marriage and kicking off life until I was a little bit older. And when I was

00:41:35.980 a little bit more ready for it, um, I, I think I wasn't as ready as I was when I got married and

00:41:42.980 made things difficult, but here's the, here's the perfect example. I got, uh, I got married, uh,

00:41:49.420 within my first year of college, had two kids by the age of 22 and then got divorced.

00:41:58.560 Now for all intents and purposes, do I regret getting divorced? Do I think getting divorced was

00:42:05.960 great for my kids and we've had a perfect life and it would have been not, it's more ideal than if we

00:42:11.660 stayed married? No, not at all. Completely regret it. Like regret it. And then I'm saying that loosely

00:42:17.420 shouldn't have happened. Bad decision. However, I got remarried and I have other kids and I have a

00:42:25.300 great wife and a great family. So can I really honestly go back and go, well, I regret it.

00:42:31.200 Not really, because I don't know. Like it worked itself out, right? I evolved. I grew from the

00:42:37.680 experience and, and made positive, good decisions and became the person I am today. So it's really

00:42:45.020 hard for me to go back and say, I regret it. Even the mission thing, if I would have went on it on my

00:42:50.480 mission, would I have had my two oldest boys, Brendan and Ian? Probably not. So do I regret it?

00:42:57.720 No. Cause I don't regret having being their father and having the opportunity to raise them. So I can't

00:43:02.900 regret that either. So great decisions, maybe not, but amazing things happen because of the decisions I

00:43:10.640 made regardless. And thus I can't regret them. Right. Yep. That's why these questions are so hard,

00:43:17.080 right? They're hard. They're just, again, it's like, don't, don't dwell on it. Just if you realize

00:43:21.860 that there's something that you're like, Oh man, I should have done that differently.

00:43:24.760 Then do it differently. Yeah. Yep. Change right now. Bray. Uh, and we've talked about this. How do

00:43:30.880 you ensure to live a life without regret? You grow. Yeah. You learn from it. You grow from your decisions.

00:43:36.700 When you grow from a bad decision, then you shouldn't regret it because you want to be the person you are

00:43:41.840 today without that bad decision. So just make sure you'll learn from your, your mistakes and your

00:43:47.040 decisions. And then you never have regret. Brady, uh, gambling, any plans to live stream

00:43:53.760 any AMAs or any other shows on YouTube? I got this question or I've got, yeah, I don't about this.

00:44:02.120 It'd be, I don't, it'd be kind of fun for guys to call in and ask, ask questions, but then we

00:44:06.640 couldn't filter all you guys' stupid questions. So maybe it's not a good idea. Uh, well, I don't know.

00:44:13.260 Can they, I don't know how it works. Uh, do they ask questions right there in the, in the thread and

00:44:17.500 then we respond to them? I guess we can try it. Maybe we'll try it. Yeah. Maybe we won't do like

00:44:22.960 a real AMA, but we'll just do kind of an off version of one and just see, you know, just experiment with

00:44:27.420 it. Invite everybody from Facebook and Instagram over to YouTube and just answer questions as they

00:44:31.620 come in. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I'm going to write that down. I like that. Okay. What else?

00:44:36.180 Give it a try. Justin Wood, what is a good way to start getting into hunting? My girlfriend's

00:44:41.080 father is very accomplished hunter from Serbia. I'd like to be at least competent at it.

00:44:48.100 Uh, the best thing to do would, so if you're not following me on Instagram, I would highly

00:44:53.280 encourage that. Go to instagram.com slash Ryan Mickler. My last name is M I C H L E R. Not

00:44:59.720 to be confused with Brian. Yeah. Um, you do it. So go over there. Yeah. I knew it was a couple

00:45:07.900 of weeks ago. I think I made a post about hunting. So just like scroll through my feed

00:45:12.860 and see me with a dead animal and you'll know which one I'm talking about. And I talk about

00:45:17.560 the things that you should do to get into hunting. And if I remember correctly, step one is to

00:45:25.380 start following hunters on social media. If you want to be an archer, start following archers.

00:45:30.860 If you want to be a, you know, a bow hunter or rifle hunter, like access to this information

00:45:35.380 is so readily available. So follow like when it comes to bow hunting, the guys that I follow,

00:45:39.920 uh, are, well, like John Dudley is, is great to follow. Cam Haynes is great to follow. Even

00:45:46.100 Rogan has some great stuff on that. Um, Andy Stump's a big archer. Like there's, there's archers.

00:45:51.840 There's, there's people, there's hunters, follow them, follow them on YouTube, do what they

00:45:55.180 say. That's number one. Number two is connect with people in your sphere of influence who are

00:46:01.040 already hunters and ask if you can go with them. And you don't even need a tag to go with them.

00:46:05.000 Just tag along with them and help them spot and help them stock. Like just help, just be there to

00:46:10.180 support. And then you're going to learn a lot about hunting and rifles to use and strategies to employ.

00:46:16.480 There's already people in your circle who are hunting, just ask to go hunting with them.

00:46:19.840 And then the third one is, uh, if I remember based on the post, I think I said,

00:46:24.340 tap into your, uh, wildlife resource department and there's all kinds of different names for it.

00:46:29.860 Um, but tap into your wildlife resource department and they have a vested interest in giving the public

00:46:36.940 information about how to successfully and ethically hunt in the area. So they've got a ton of different

00:46:41.940 resources available. And between those three, three, three, three things, I think you'll, uh,

00:46:47.140 I'll get you started. Okay. Matt Simon, your thoughts on income equality in the U S

00:46:54.200 well, it's a misnomer. It's a misnomer because, well, maybe it's not a misnomer,

00:47:03.700 but it doesn't paint the entire picture. Income is, is not equal because performance is not equal

00:47:09.840 or duties are not equal. So what people that say income inequality, what they're doing is they're

00:47:16.680 taking like half of the equation or probably not even half the equation. And they're saying,

00:47:21.640 this is the problem. Well, that's only a piece of the puzzle. That's only part of the formula.

00:47:26.660 The other part of the formula is in other people say, well, yeah, it's, it's because of gender.

00:47:31.020 No, it's, it's not because gender it's based on performance and it's also based on occupation.

00:47:39.260 So women generally pick jobs that aren't as high paying as men generally.

00:47:45.020 Yeah. Okay. So, so you have, you have nursing, you have education. These are, these are jobs that

00:47:51.080 aren't going to pay well as a doctor, for example, or, or an entrepreneur or a CEO. Now women don't

00:47:58.140 choose those things again, generally, or in lower degrees because they have other things they want

00:48:05.080 to do, you know, like bringing children into the world. So they're not going to tie themselves up into

00:48:10.880 a career, like a CEO, for example, or an entrepreneur necessarily, because in entrepreneurship,

00:48:17.880 that's a little different because there are a lot of flexibilities in that, but let's take CEO,

00:48:22.480 for example, or doctor, they're not going to tie themselves up into the schooling and into the debt

00:48:27.680 and into the level of attention that career requires when they know they have aspirations to

00:48:34.140 bring children into the world and potentially stay at home with the kids. So they're, that's why

00:48:39.220 they're not getting paid as much. Now, some people will say, well, no, it's just because of gender.

00:48:43.340 If you take gender, for example, and, and you put a woman and a man in the same job doing the same

00:48:49.660 thing, then women will get paid less. No, they won't. Let me share. Studies have shown that not

00:48:55.400 to be true at all, but let me even share something anecdotally with you because the same people who make

00:48:59.840 this argument also make the argument that capitalists are greedy pigs who are ruining the world.

00:49:05.520 So which do you think is more true? That capitalists are greedy pigs that are ruining

00:49:12.640 the world or that capitalists hate women? Which one do you think is more true? Because if you think

00:49:19.620 they're greedy pigs, then wouldn't, and if, and if it was true that women can get paid less for the

00:49:25.000 same job, then wouldn't all the quote unquote greedy pigs only hire women because they could pay them

00:49:30.340 less to do the same job. Wouldn't that feed into the greed? Of course it would. So what they're saying

00:49:36.740 is they're saying, well, no, they're, they're more worried about, uh, uh, gender than they are their

00:49:42.680 greed. Like they're worried about raising women up than greed. You're telling me that their, that their

00:49:48.300 decision to, uh, not hire women, for example, outweighs their desire to make money. Like it's a ridiculous

00:49:56.200 thought. Yeah, it's, it's, it's asinine. And I understand when we get inundated and bombarded with

00:50:05.040 clever talking points that only illustrate part of the problem. But if you're not doing equal work,

00:50:11.080 if you're not doing the same types of jobs, this is the whole thing with the, uh, the women's soccer

00:50:16.840 team. It's really funny. Like they got so up in arms about making less than men. Yes, because they bring

00:50:23.760 in less revenue than men. Well, we do the same work. Well, you know who gets to decide that the

00:50:29.860 public, the market, just 7 billion plus people on the planet. You, your desire to make more money

00:50:37.640 doesn't outweigh the 7 billion people on the planet's collective decision, not to go see women's

00:50:43.720 games at the same level. They're going to see men's games. And it was funny because, and I don't

00:50:47.760 remember their names, but one of the gals, uh, she was upset, you know, she was her team captain or

00:50:53.120 whatever. And she was upset and she, she demanded that she get paid more for the same work. And,

00:50:58.860 and the interviewer, whoever she was talking with said, well, how would you solve this problem?

00:51:03.960 And you know what she said? She said, we just really want people to support us. And we want

00:51:07.840 more people to come to our games. Yes. That's the right answer. You solve it. Yeah. You solve it

00:51:13.260 through capitalism. If more people, if there's a higher demand for your services, in this case,

00:51:18.920 entertainment via soccer, then you will get paid more. But until then you haven't earned it. And

00:51:25.320 I'm sorry that it hurts your feelings. I'm sorry that you aren't as liked or relevant as other people,

00:51:33.160 but that's reality. And the way that you want something or the way that you feel about something

00:51:38.880 doesn't dictate the way it actually plays out in reality. Like it's, it's insane to believe that a

00:51:45.940 nurse is going to make the same as a doctor. That's insane. It's insane to believe that a

00:51:53.320 men's professional sports team is going to get paid the same amount as a women's professional

00:51:59.060 sporting team that brings in a 10th of the revenue that a men's sports team does. That's insane,

00:52:06.340 but it's all emotional. It's wrapped up into feelings. Emotions ought to be considered. I'm not

00:52:12.020 saying we shouldn't consider them, but we also ought to be reasonable and use some logic in our

00:52:18.940 thinking of how this works. So there's my thoughts on equality. And the labels we put on things,

00:52:24.520 right? Everyone listening right now, how often do you go watch the WNBA?

00:52:31.860 They don't. They don't. Why? Because it's boring. It's boring. It's boring. I want to see

00:52:38.020 a seven foot dude get dunked on by a six, one guy, like flying through the air. And I want it like

00:52:45.500 roughing it up. And that's entertaining to me. So instead of demonizing, let's say in this,

00:52:51.480 my little example here, instead of demonizing the NBA and saying, Oh, the NBA sexist,

00:52:56.940 why aren't you just telling the entire world that they're sexist? Because they don't watch WNBA

00:53:00.880 because that's the scenario, right? The reality of it is there's minimal profit and thus that's the

00:53:09.700 result. Period. Very simple. And if it's sexist, if that's what you think, then fine. Yes. The world

00:53:16.320 is sexist because they're just not going to watch women play sports to the degree that they're going

00:53:22.880 to watch men play sports. Sorry. And by the way, I'm not sexist. It's just not as an entertaining.

00:53:28.100 That's it. It's very simple. Well, let's think about it from another context. Let's think about

00:53:34.300 babysitting. All right. So I've got young kids. We've considered babysitters. And we're not going

00:53:39.540 to bring a boy babysitter into our house. Yeah. Well, that's sexist. Is that sexist? No,

00:53:46.400 it's not sexist because it is sexist, but according to these people, it's not sexist. It's kind of like

00:53:52.020 racism. And people say reverse racist. Don't even get me started about this. It's like,

00:53:56.540 there's no such thing as reverse racism. It's either racist or it's not racist. There's no

00:54:03.920 reverse racism. Like you're either racist against a race of individuals, people, or you're not.

00:54:13.120 Like there's no qualifiers for that, but it's really interesting. The things that people say and make

00:54:18.540 up. Totally. And there's certainly a double standard, right? When we start talking about some of these

00:54:23.900 topics, it's gnarly. Man, it's crazy. Craziness. Well, and I, oh, there was something else I was

00:54:30.380 going to say, but you guys get it, right? Like the reality of it is, it's like, well, there is an

00:54:36.720 article by the Salt Lake Tribune here in Utah saying, oh, Utah is one of the most income equality

00:54:42.140 states in the nation. Based upon what? Like, let's actually use some discernment, people,

00:54:48.260 right? Well, I imagine without looking at it, I imagine the reason that is, is because there's

00:54:54.080 probably, without knowing the data, there's probably per capita or per household, more women

00:55:00.520 who stay at home in Utah as homemakers than in other, in other states. Yeah. Than any other state.

00:55:07.280 Right. So, oh, okay. So why isn't that the stat saying, hey, more moms stay at home in the state

00:55:13.040 of Utah? Like it's the same, it's the same story. Yeah. Oh, well, it doesn't, it doesn't push an

00:55:18.460 agenda, right? They work part time or they work jobs that maybe don't carry. And I'm saying women

00:55:23.900 potentially carry jobs that don't carry as much responsibility because they want to be at home.

00:55:29.540 Well, why would you think you should get paid for that? If you're, this is the same thing with,

00:55:34.380 with employees who, who scoff at the business owner who makes 10, 20, a hundred times what the

00:55:41.840 employee makes. Well, he's taking on the level of risk. Like you don't have any risk. You lose your

00:55:49.080 job. You go get another job. The, the market tanks and, and you don't lose your house. He loses his

00:55:56.180 house. He loses his credit. You just go get another job. So you don't have any level of risk. So don't,

00:56:03.040 don't, don't you dare scold that the individual who's putting more on the line, who's carrying more

00:56:08.220 responsibility, who's put it, who has more at risk, uh, because you think that you should all get paid

00:56:14.740 the same. It's pathetic. All right. And what else? Yeah. Well, no, I'm going to let it go.

00:56:23.120 We'll talk. We'll talk. We'll cover this again. I'm sure. Uh, all right. Where were we at?

00:56:29.960 All right. Kyle Shields. I know, man. Well, because the whole technology thing is I'm in

00:56:38.420 technology and there's a, there's a, I thought you were going to let it go. Okay. I'm not going

00:56:42.980 to let it go. There's a technology council in the state of Utah. It, and every year it's more and more

00:56:48.600 about sexism. Of course. It's more about, Hey, we need to get more women, women, women here. And I'm

00:56:55.240 like, do they want to be? And if they do awesome. If they don't, how is that wrong? Right. I hate the

00:57:04.300 damn labels that we put on everything and say, Oh, well, and technology were closed minded because

00:57:09.560 there's not enough women here. Okay. Well, statistically, if you look at the evidence, are

00:57:13.400 women more interested in the sciences and technology? No, I'm not running around going

00:57:18.580 to the HR conventions, arguing that, Hey, you know, more men need to be in HR. Why? Did

00:57:25.340 you just stereotype that Kip and say that more women are in HR? I can't believe you would do

00:57:29.480 that. We're digging ourselves into a hole at this point. We're not sexist guys. Like just

00:57:37.480 think of it logically. We're going to get backlash. All right. Kyle Shields. I don't think we

00:57:43.020 will not, not in this podcast. Well, I mean, maybe a message is saying yes. Yeah. Uh, that's

00:57:48.700 real. All right. What are your morning diet routines, breakfast supplements, intermittent

00:57:54.000 fasting and et cetera. Thanks guys. I just drink water in the morning. That's it. I, I like

00:58:02.100 32 ounces or 16 ounces immediately. Like once you wake up. Yeah. I try to drink a lot of water

00:58:07.360 when I wake up. I mean, I don't have it like drink 32 ounces. I just drink a glass of water,

00:58:11.180 whatever you feel. Yeah. Okay. And then, uh, I try to eat, you know, around 11 or, or 12

00:58:16.140 and I don't eat after. Well, generally I should say general, I don't eat after seven or eight

00:58:22.700 o'clock. Some people say, Oh, you're doing intermittent fasting. Yeah. I guess technically,

00:58:26.840 I guess, but I just eat dinner and then I don't eat anything till lunch. Like it's, we overcomplicate

00:58:32.280 these things. It's like carnivore diet, keto diet, intermittent fasting, just eat clean,

00:58:36.960 eat healthy. You don't know what to eat healthy. And it's like, is intermittent fasting good? I

00:58:41.480 don't know. I just don't like having breakfast. I don't like working out on a full stomach.

00:58:46.260 And then I get into work and I'm busy and I'm excited about it. And then it's like,

00:58:50.320 okay, it's lunchtime already. So like, that's my thought process. I'm the same. Um, I wake up,

00:58:57.240 I do take a little bit of a pre-workout hits gym, wrap up my workout and go to work. So I usually

00:59:05.140 don't ever eat breakfast either, but not intentionally. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm

00:59:09.740 saying. Don't overthink it. Just eat clean. Eat vegetables, eat meat, drink water. Yeah. What

00:59:15.260 are we, how are we doing on time? We take a couple more. All right. Uh, Jay Helms,

00:59:19.620 what process do you follow to set goals for the new year? Really Jay? Really? You know,

00:59:28.180 the hasn't listened to any episode. He has. I know Jay has. He's asking for someone else.

00:59:34.480 He's been in multiple courses of ours. He's, I think he's been, he is either is currently or has

00:59:40.660 been a member of the iron council. Uh, I'm going to give Jay the benefit of the doubt and say the

00:59:45.560 reason he's asking is because he wants me to answer this for other people. There you go.

00:59:50.420 The answer is in my hand right now. It's called the 12 week battle plan. You can go to store.orderofman.com

00:59:58.640 to check it out, or you can check out the book sovereignty, the battle for the hearts and minds

01:00:03.280 of men. And the entire back section is dedicated to creating a 12 week battle plan, which very

01:00:10.220 briefly is vision, casting a vision first for the next 90 days. Uh, then working backwards into key

01:00:17.720 specific objectives in one in each of four quadrants in which you want to accomplish within the 12 week

01:00:23.900 period. Correct. Then it's working into daily tactics that you can complete on a daily basis that

01:00:30.200 will move you towards those objectives. So you should have four daily tactics and then it's checkpoints

01:00:35.580 at a 30 and 60 day interval to ensure that you're on the right path and make adjustments as necessary.

01:00:41.700 And then it's the after action review and repeat the process in the next 90 days. Perfect.

01:00:46.620 Eric Blankenship. I know this seems insignificant, but I'm getting ready to start Brazilian jujitsu and

01:00:56.120 I have a very long beard, probably two to three inches longer than yours, Ryan. He called, I mean,

01:01:01.160 he's saying his beard's bigger than your beard. How does it affect your training and what do you do

01:01:05.980 with your beard for training or is it just part of the process? Uh, it sucks for training, quite honestly.

01:01:12.320 It's not good. It's not, I mean, that's it. That's the bottom line. Like I've considered

01:01:19.120 cutting it. I've considered trimming it. I've considered, I haven't done that yet, obviously.

01:01:24.060 But the Viking. Yeah, I'm not going to do that. Pony thing. No, I'm not going to do that. I don't

01:01:30.280 know. Would it help to do that? Maybe. I don't know if it would. I'll tell you this. It's a great,

01:01:35.780 it's a great neck guard because people feel guilty. People don't want to put their hand in there

01:01:40.800 because they feel bad. Yeah. And then there's some people who don't feel bad at all.

01:01:46.120 There's, there's a couple of guys I roll with who are like, I don't care that you have a beard.

01:01:49.740 No, that, that's just, that's your, that's your decision. Yeah. Andy Stumpf is very much that way.

01:01:56.040 He took a big old fricking chunk of my beard out and he laughed about it. So did I. Um, so

01:02:04.920 uh, it's, that's the answer. It's not good for training. Yeah. It's tough. Like if you, if you want

01:02:12.860 to, if you want to maximize your jujitsu, then you wouldn't have a beard or you'd have it short

01:02:20.380 like you could. Yeah. And, and, and shape and cut your hair short, cut everything short. Like,

01:02:25.280 exactly. Yeah. So that's, it's a tactical disadvantage. So you have to decide. And

01:02:34.500 right now I haven't made the decision to, to go that route yet. Cause that's been manageable,

01:02:37.960 but it's actually a benefit because through that process you will gain more grit than you would.

01:02:43.260 That's right. And, and gradually I'm going to lose it all. Anyways, it gets pulled out. I lose

01:02:47.500 like 10% of the volume every time I go. So gradually it's all going to be gone. Anyways.

01:02:51.260 That's funny. All right. Kevin Klein. Hey, last one. Kevin Klein listens to the order of man podcast.

01:02:58.600 I think that's Calvin Klein. Oh, it's maybe Kevin's his, his brother, his brother or something.

01:03:05.940 Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe he actually does listen. He just uses a different name. So we don't,

01:03:10.200 you know, yes. All right. I'm currently working for a company that has made some bad financial

01:03:15.640 decisions and is on the verge of closing the doors and being sold. I have a backup plan for

01:03:21.040 income in place. Would you jump ship early or ride it out and hope it works out?

01:03:28.040 Well, if you already have a plan in place and you feel like it's a solid plan, I would start

01:03:31.720 moving towards that direction. If it's an inferior, yeah. If it's an inferior plan, then,

01:03:37.500 you know, maybe you ought to, maybe you ought to ride the ship a little bit longer. Uh, but you've

01:03:41.900 got to be careful too, because if they're doing some, if they're making some fate, I can't talk

01:03:46.440 shady financial decisions. You know, some of that may be, maybe come back to you.

01:03:51.440 So I get your paycheck. Yeah. Right. Right. So you, you need to be very, very careful on this one.

01:03:56.500 Um, but like I said, if you, it sounds like you're being smart about it. Um, maybe, maybe

01:04:01.700 Calvin taught you some things or something when it comes to finances, uh, your brother,

01:04:07.220 Calvin's company is like doing really well. Yeah. He's probably rolling his eyes right now. Like

01:04:11.120 good one guys. I've never heard that one before. I blame you. Sorry, Kevin. Um,

01:04:18.880 yeah. Like I said, if you've got a good plan in place and, and, uh, and you feel like it's a,

01:04:23.460 something that's going to move you in the right direction, then I start, I would, I would start

01:04:28.300 executing on that plan and, uh, moving in that as quickly as possible. Let's be honest. I mean,

01:04:33.160 this company that's making bad decisions without knowing all the facts at hand is probably not going to,

01:04:37.200 correct themselves, right? Like, unless there's drastic changes, now they're selling the company,

01:04:43.440 which means that there'll be new management. Uh, that new management isn't probably going to trust

01:04:47.860 you knowing that your company, that you were worked just guilty by association. It's not a good

01:04:52.560 path. You're not on a good path right now. So if you've got a plan in place, maybe start executing

01:04:57.380 it. If you don't have a good plan in place, then start working towards that immediately. And that's

01:05:01.060 for anybody else who might be listening that is in a similar boat. Cool. All right. I think that's good

01:05:06.820 today, man. That was good. Yep. It was good. We're good.

01:05:13.660 I guess maybe, I don't know. We'll have to leave that for the guys to decide.

01:05:17.400 Yeah. We'll see. Let us know guys. Uh, in fact, just let Ryan know on Instagram at Ryan

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01:06:46.800 want to be on as well. It's one thing I always want to make sure the guys know is that, and I've

01:06:50.720 talked about this quite a bit lately. In fact, is that I wouldn't be nearly the same man I am today

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Overcoming Past Regret, Thoughts on Income Inequality, and Is There Destiny ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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