PAT MCNAMARA ｜ Make Yourself a Sentinel
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Pat McNamara is a 22 year military veteran and someone who has dedicated his life to making himself more capable in the most dire times. He is uniquely qualified to talk about situational awareness, staying on the alert, being prepared, but not being paranoid, and ultimately making yourself a sentinel. You re a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly charge your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time you are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is who you are. And after all, you can call yourself a man.
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Too many men are too reliant on others to save them when it all hits the fan. And while there
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may be someone there to rescue you in your greatest time of need, it's critical that we
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all learn to take care of and protect ourselves. That's why I wanted to have Pat McNamara join me
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on the podcast as a 22 year military veteran and someone who has dedicated his life to making
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himself more capable in the most dire times. He is uniquely qualified to talk about situational
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awareness, staying on the alert, being prepared, but not being paranoid and ultimately making
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yourself a sentinel. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears
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and boldly charge your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time
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you are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is
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who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done,
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you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan
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Michler and I am the host and the founder of this podcast and the movement that is Order
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of Man. I want to welcome you here, whether you're listening for the first time or you've
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been tuned in for the past four and a half years now, we continue to grow and this movement
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continues to expand. And part of the reason is because this is much needed in society.
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Seems to me that masculinity continues to get dismissed, continues to be mocked, continues
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to be undermined. And it's my job and my responsibility and our mission to reclaim and
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restore what it means to be a man, reestablish the conversations, reestablish some institutions
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that band men together to ultimately make ourselves more capable as fathers and husbands and business
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owners and community leaders. And to that end, we have this podcast as a piece. It's just
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a piece of the puzzle. And I'm going to talk more about other pieces of the puzzle later
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to give you the conversations, tools, guidance, direction, resources, everything again, that
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you need. We've had some incredible, incredible conversations. These are conversations with guys
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like Jocko Willink and Grant Cardone and Andy Frisilla and Tim Kennedy, Dakota Meyer, Pete
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Roberts. And then of course, today we've got somebody who is joining us by popular demand.
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His name is Pat McNamara and I'll introduce him here in a quick second. We're going to get
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into it pretty quickly. I do want to make sure that I mentioned my friends. In fact, this week,
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With that said, actually one more thing before I get into it and introduce you to Pat is you will
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have to forgive the audio. Pat and I were having some technical difficulties and the audio is a
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little rough, uh, especially in some places, but I wanted to get this conversation to you because
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it is so, so powerful. Uh, and it's something that all of us could use more of and make ourselves
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more capable of. So again, forgive the audio, you'll get through it. Still a great conversation
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and something that's going to be very, very powerful again with a man by the name of Pat
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McNamara. Now I know a lot of, you may not need an introduction. Uh, in fact, I've got a lot of
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requests to get him on the podcast. Uh, he's frankly, one of the baddest men on the planet. And as I
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mentioned earlier, he's a 22 year military veteran, uh, and has served in a myriad of special
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operations units. And through his military service, he began to hone and refine and develop
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his own training methodology, which combines safety and critical thinking and ultimately
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effectiveness. Uh, in addition to that, he is an author. Uh, he's got the book tactical application
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and practical shooting, which as the name implies, you can, you can pick it up from there. And then
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also Sentinel. And we actually talk a lot about making ourselves a Sentinel today, which is a,
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a protector, a watchman, if you will. Uh, and today he joins me to talk about making yourself
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a more capable protector. Pat, what's going on, man. Thanks for joining me on the, uh,
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the order of man podcast. Glad to have you. Ryan, thanks for having me on. Appreciate it.
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Yeah, man. I've been looking forward to this. I've been following you for man years now. And then we
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finally got introduced and couldn't be more honored to have this discussion. And it's one that a lot of guys
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need to hear, uh, this element of protection and being aware and just some of the things that you
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put out into the world and on Instagram and YouTube and everywhere else that I follow you. So it's
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going to be good. Yeah. Yeah, man. I think, uh, thanks a lot. Yeah. I'm glad we connected. You
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know, the internet's a funny place. I get to meet some, some really awesome people through the, uh,
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through the interwebs. So I appreciate you having me on. Yeah. It's interesting. You know,
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a lot of people talk about the internet as, as being, well, they talk negatively of the internet
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and technology. And although it has its negative sides, uh, it's certainly a great opportunity to
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connect with other people who we wouldn't have that access to what, five, 10 years ago.
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Yep. Yeah. I, you know what, it depends on how you use it too. I mean, it could be venomous
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and, and shrill and, uh, vile, but, um, I don't, I don't have any of those issues.
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Right. Cause I don't use it that way. Yeah. It's just a tool, right? And the way you use the
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tool is how it's effective for you. Yeah, I don't, it's a tool and I don't, I don't weaponize
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this particular tool. Yeah. What do you mean by weaponize? Well, you know, there's a lot of people
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like, let's say trolls, et cetera, you know, their, their function in life is to nitpick others and
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maybe bully them from a, uh, you know, their castle made of sand, uh, from their mom's basement.
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And, uh, you know, they get great satisfaction out of, you know, being visceral online and nitpicking
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and looking for anybody's faults. And some people are vulnerable to that. Me, I could really give a
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shit, man. I don't care. Where do you, uh, where do you think that comes from? Cause I think that is
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one trait that a lot of men would like to develop is caring less about what some of these naysayers
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might say. Yeah. You know what? Um, I think that's, it's developed, um, you know, not,
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not giving a crap about what others say. And you, and you have to have a level of confidence. You
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know, if you, if, if you're confident in who you are and let's, uh, and if you're clean morally and
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ethically, then none of that crap should freaking bother you at all. I think it's guys who are
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maybe a little weak minded, or let's say they, um, they have, uh, an inferiority complex
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or they aren't squeaky clean morally and ethically than they are vulnerable, vulnerable to, uh, attacks
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by those who have nothing better to do than attack from their, you know, their, their, their,
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their pulpit. Yeah. Well, I think you bring up a great point when you talk about having this level
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of, of confidence. Cause I think what a lot of guys believe is that somehow they're just supposed
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to manufacture this feeling of, of self-worth and not giving a care in the world about what
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other people think. And yet they're living their lives incongruent with how they know they should
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be. And so that opens them up to all kinds of scrutiny and, and, and self-questioning and self
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doubt. And obviously you're a man who has worked hard for decades and decades against that for yourself.
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Right. Right. And, and now I do it, I do it for others too, you know, so, which is very rewarding.
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I mean, I've, I've kind of morphed into this position and, um, and I love doing it.
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Yeah. Well, a lot of what you do is, is physical in nature. Would you say that's
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really where your path got started or did you start on the mindset stuff or, you know,
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if somebody wants to, to, to fortify themselves against some of these things that we're talking
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about and even more, which we'll get into, where do we start? Is it the physical stuff? Is it the
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mental stuff? What, where would you suggest? No, I, I, I'd start with the, um, with the, uh,
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you know, the software, the mind, uh, you know, I always, I like to tell people the mind is the
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final weapon, all else is supplemental because, um, you know, when it comes to physical stuff, not,
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not everybody's got that. I mean, what if, what if you are, um, you know, you have some kind of
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disability that, that, that makes for, you know, a physical way of life nearly impossible.
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You know, you can develop a mind where you, you can be extremely confident and not give a shit
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about what others think and defeat people just by, um, that resonating that kind of attitude and that
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kind of, uh, confidence about you. So I, I would stick with that over anything.
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Yeah. It's a good point. Cause a lot of people will ask and you brought up the perfect scenario
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is somebody with a physical or a disability or injury that they're dealing with. It's like these
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guys, a lot of them sometimes believe that they can't be men because they're dealing with some
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physical limitations. And I mean, I don't think that's the case as long as you're fortifying your
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mind. I know a lot of the ways that guys build up their mind is through physical, uh, and strenuous
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activity. What other suggestions do you have? Uh, for building up your mind? Correct.
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Well, you know, uh, aligning yourself with the right people, you know, uh, if you were,
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if you were the bravest guy in the room, you were in the wrong room, you know, if you're the smartest
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guy in the room, you were in the wrong room. Um, or if you're the strongest guy in the room,
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you're probably in the wrong freaking room, you know? So align yourself with those
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who you can, you know, look up to and learn something from. And, and, and when I say learn
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and smart, you know, they don't have to be rocket scientists. They just have to, you know, they have
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to have their wits about them and, um, have a level of aptitude that one can, uh, draw from. Um,
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and I'm not talking, you know, word player mathematics. I'm just talking about maybe wisdom,
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even, you know, align yourself with people with wisdom and you can develop an attitude and that
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confidence just by aligning yourself and hanging out with the right people because, because that
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shit resonates, man. It's contagious, you know, attitude, aptitude, desire. Those are all contagious
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and, and, and they're learned. Those are learned attributes. They're learned and, and we can develop
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those, but they have to be nurtured, you know, once, once we learn them, we have to, uh, they have
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to become self-sustaining after a while instead of somebody feeding it to you constantly, you know,
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and once they're self-sustaining, then, uh, what I like to tell people is keep the blaze alive.
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I like that. How do you, how do you personally keep the blaze alive? I mean, I know just through
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watching you and, uh, and seeing what you do on Instagram and YouTube, I'm like, obviously this is
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somebody who's passionate, who's fired up. Uh, what, what would you suggest to the guys?
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Well, two different questions there. The first one, what, how do I keep the blaze alive is, um,
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what motivates a motivator is telling me that you're motivating them. So my, um, the people who
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follow me are stoking my fire. So I'm, I, I am reliant on them because it's,
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day to day, they're looking for me to kick them in the putt and, uh, and they're thanking me for it.
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And, uh, that, that fires me up, you know, it gives me that drive, you know, especially when I
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don't, I don't feel like it, you know, um, I know that beyond just me, beyond for myself and for my
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loved ones, um, I have this like duty now, like an obligation to be, uh, somebody else's,
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inspiration or bad-ass, you know, to have that bad-ass three kind of rub off them a little bit.
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So, um, the people who follow me and, and comment positively, uh, that I am inspiring them are,
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are firing me up. They, they, they keep my blaze alive.
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Do you think that you've, that you've always been that way? Uh, you know, I, there's obviously the
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difference between working on yourself and you talked a lot, you talked about that and now you've
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transitioned to being able to serve other people. How did that, has that always been the case or is
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that a transition, a maturity level that you've developed over the course of your military career
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and some of the other things you've been doing? Yep. That, that has, it has not always been the
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case. I was, um, I was, I was a follower for a long time in not, not, not sense that I wasn't a
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leader, just that I had really, really strong, uh, leadership and mentors, you know, early on in my
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career. And, um, I, I, I followed well, you know, I, I, I picked up the example that others were putting
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down and, and I consumed it, you know, like energy because I had really good, strong leaders and mentors.
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And then once I got into a leadership role, it, I kind of found my calling, you know, cause we all
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develop leadership roles, uh, differently. And, and, and, you know, how it's like, how do you define
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leadership, man? It's so freaking tough. It's not even funny because there's so many intangibles,
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you know, it could just be, you know, how, how you walk into a room, you know, and how you, uh,
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or portray yourself and your attitude day by day. So I have not always been that way. I've
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kind of morphed into it. And then the older I've gotten, um, the more I've taken on this
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duty and, and I love the duty. It's not a burden at all, uh, of helping fire up and, uh, it's,
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it's, it really, it really fuels, it really fuels my fire.
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Yeah. I mean, I know I've, I've felt that way too. I think there's a lot of guys out there who
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think that additional responsibility means, means a burden. That's the word you used. And I
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found that to be the exact opposite is that when you find that responsibility, that's meaningful
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and significant to you, uh, it creates a lot of freedom to pursue things that, that are exciting.
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And that, that, like you said, feel, feel the blaze, right?
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Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Uh, I'm going to go back to what you were talking about earlier when you said,
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you know, if you're the smartest guy or the strongest guy or the most, most confident when you're in these
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environments, you know, I look at you for example, and see what you do and think, well, this is
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obviously an assertive man. This is somebody who's confident in himself. This is a leader.
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And yet you're talking about being in other rooms with men who maybe exhibit even more so of that.
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How do you find your own leadership style? How do you find your own voice when you're surrounded by
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men who are more capable or proficient in certain tasks than you are?
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Well, you know, humility is palatable, you know, it's, it's, um, it's, it's very palatable,
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especially if, if like guys have ego. Um, so, you know, you, you, you keep your mouth shut for a
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while and, uh, and listen to what others say and then make a meaningful contribution to, you know,
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the topic at hand. Um, and then don't feign interest, but be interested because those people
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have something to say. And there's a, there's a line from a book that, that I read once and I love
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it. It's, uh, stupidity opens doorways to knowledge that others are willing to teach for free.
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And, uh, so when I'm around people like that, you know, I try to pick words carefully so that I can,
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I can learn from, just learn from them, period, you know, whatever it is that they're,
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their, uh, level of tenacity, their level of strength, their level of, um, uh, smarts,
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whatever it is then. And people become interested because, well, people have to talk about themselves
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and, and I don't mind that so long as they are interested. You know, um, we human beings love to
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talk about ourselves and sometimes boring as shit, but other times, sometimes interesting people are
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just interesting. Yeah. I mean, that's one of the things that I've enjoyed most about this podcast
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is now that we've interviewed, gosh, I think we've interviewed close to 250 men now. It's, well,
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I mean, it's pretty interesting that the, the caliber of men I've been able to have conversations
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with and I've just gained more and more curiosity. Like the more people I talk with and the more
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I learned, the more curious I am about what's driving other high achieving men to perform the way
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they do. I think that's a skill too, is just being curious. Right. And I think the more curious
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somebody is, the more not only interested they are, but interesting they are too. I think that's a lot
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of the reason so many men agree to come on this podcast because I am genuinely curious. I'm not
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trying to game this or anything. Like, I really want to know what makes you and other people tick.
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Yeah, man. I mean, you never know what's wrapped inside of somebody, you know, and what they're
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made of and what they've gone through. So, you know, you can't be presumptuous and, um, and, uh,
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hubris and just figure that, well, I, I, uh, just so happens I'm chatting with this guy and he looks
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like just a wet bag of noodles. And, uh, he's got nothing interesting to say that, you know,
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I am smarter, stronger, faster, brighter, more intelligent than he is because dang, man, some
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people just have, you know, a backstory that can resonate with you. And, um, you know, it can be
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either uplifting, motivating, uh, or, uh, or just a great learning experience. I run into that all the
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time, you know, keep your mouth shut first and just, you know, uh, just enjoy a little chit chat
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on common ground and, and see what happens. Now, uh, I'm not about, uh, I'm all about cutting away
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too. If I feel myself getting dumber, like when I'm talking to somebody, I'm leaving that room,
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I'm leaving that table. That's good. That's a good barometer. I mean, you, and you need to be able
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to make those decisions quickly because our time and energy is, is finite and you've got to figure out
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if I'm going to spend time with this individual or if I'm going to invest in somebody else that I
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can maybe serve a little better or they could serve me. And it's got to be that, I think,
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mutually beneficial relationship. Yeah, because I enjoy talking to people. Um, I'm not, you know,
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an extrovert where I have parties and, and I, and I meet with guys and stuff like that, but I,
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but I go out every night to a pub or something like that and have a couple of pints and I enjoy,
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uh, um, talking to people. But like you said, man, if I don't have,
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if I feel like, you know, uh, I'm getting hypoxic by talking to somebody, I'm cutting away
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pretty freaking quick getting out of there. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense.
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I want to, uh, I want to shift gears a little bit here because whether you know it or not,
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what you're doing ties in perfectly to what, what we're all about. And, and I talk with the guys
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quite a bit about being protectors, providers, and presiders. And I think what you talk about
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in your message and your brand and everything that you're doing ties into all of those. But
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specifically, I really think we're drilling down here into the protection component of things.
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And I want to break this down and get specific and we'll do that over the next little while here.
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But have you always been somebody who is, well, I don't know, do you consider yourself a protector
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or, or is there a term that you resonate with more? Like what, how do you identify yourself or
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what do you consider yourself? Well, I'm self-proclaimed sentinel, you know,
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because I wrote a book called Sentinel and, uh, I think it just, it's kind of apropos. It kind of
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covers all the bases, you know, uh, of all the corny, you know, like sheep, sheep, dog, right,
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axioms. Um, but, uh, I've been ever since I retired, you know, and have come out into the
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world, I have found myself looking out for, for, for people, you know, because, uh, there,
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there, cause there are, there are a lot of sheep out there and, and, and I think that's fine. You
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know, some people are just born to be sheep and, and I am going to protect them whether they want
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it or not. I am, I am there for them. Is that something that, that you've always, you said
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since you've retired, but is that, I mean, I imagine that's the case when you were in the
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military cause you were in the military, what the, uh, for what, 22 years, right? Yeah. 22 years.
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It was all special ops time. And so did that, did, was that developed through your career or even
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going into the military? Like when did you join the military? How old were you?
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Uh, I signed up at 17, went into 18. Okay. Yeah. So even at that age, like how was that
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instilled upon you prior to even going in the military? Oh, it, it, it, it wasn't, you know,
00:23:08.380
I, I developed into it. Uh, yeah, I was dumber than a brick with a hole in it back then. You
00:23:13.300
know, I was just, I was thinking about, you know, wanting to be a badass. That was all, you
00:23:17.520
know, uh, you know, early on, I don't think I matured until like mid thirties and then really
00:23:24.280
found, you know, the world a lot different once I retired, because while I was in, I
00:23:28.760
was just working with like-minded people. So I didn't have to think about that much.
00:23:32.280
Um, but once I was out, um, I really started getting switched on to, uh, the, the needs of
00:23:42.140
people. Cause, cause I, it's, it's, it's innate, you know, to, to, to want to care for other
00:23:47.720
human beings. It's, it's just, it's primal and there's nothing wrong with that. We shouldn't
00:23:53.480
say, well, guy got what he deserved or, um, got us up in comments because he's a, he's
00:23:59.780
a dipshit and wasn't, wasn't alert. Some people just aren't, man. That's just, that's, that's
00:24:04.080
the world in which we live right now. People aren't alert. They're not switched on. You
00:24:08.160
know, they're flaccid. They're, they're button pushers. They're, they're 45 degree syndrome
00:24:15.860
What do you mean by 45 degree syndrome? What does, what does that mean?
00:24:18.860
Um, so when you got your cell phone in front of you, you know, when you're, and you're
00:24:25.340
looking down, your head's cocked at 45, right? You're bent down. Yeah. That makes sense.
00:24:30.200
Everywhere you go. I mean, it's ubiquitous, you know, now that mode 45 degrees in and people
00:24:39.660
are just walking around in a daze, complete zombie mode in the way out on the street in
00:24:43.780
the white, you know, Cooper's color code, white, black. Sure. They're all in the white right
00:24:47.100
now. I love that you bring up the idea of doing it because it's innate and being a protector
00:24:55.720
because it's in your nature versus what people want or need or are capable of. Because I think
00:25:03.940
ultimately at the end of the day, when it comes to being a man, the reason that you behave like
00:25:09.960
a man is because you're a man, not because people deserve it or don't deserve it or whatever
00:25:16.240
else justification you have in your mind for either acting or not acting.
00:25:24.760
So why did this develop after the military? Like what changed for you? Is there specific
00:25:30.140
things that changed in your life where you started to mature and, and think about this
00:25:34.860
a little differently? Cause when I think about a sentinel, I think, I think the warrior in
00:25:40.540
its truest sense really kind of manifests what a sentinel is, but it sounds like maybe
00:25:45.200
that, that transformed a little bit after service.
00:25:50.060
Well, the big reason, you know, I had little kitties at the time too, when I retired, which
00:25:55.600
is a big reason for me to retire early. I call that early 22 years, but because I had little
00:26:03.340
kitties and I needed to be there for them. I needed to be their protector, their sentinel
00:26:08.220
because they're my PC, you know, they're my, uh, um, my, um, my principles. So, uh, I really
00:26:17.720
started to develop that mindset more and more with them and, and just looking around and
00:26:22.180
seeing how vulnerable they are just because not the world in which we live, because the
00:26:30.320
world isn't a worse place now. It's a better place. Now we just, there's more, um, access
00:26:35.480
to information. So we all think it's, it's a worse place now. But, um, um, I, I, I didn't
00:26:42.820
want to be, I don't like to be victimized and I don't want them to ever be victimized. And
00:26:49.000
with my, my wife now, I never want her to be victimized. So I'm, you know, developing her
00:26:53.700
into her, her own first responder, into her own protectee, even though I'm going to, you
00:26:59.060
know, I'm her first responder. She's also mine. But yeah, it all started developing
00:27:04.600
once I got out because when I was in, it was all like-minded individuals and mindset. And
00:27:10.660
I really didn't, I really didn't think about it that much.
00:27:13.760
Right. I mean, to a degree, you know, your, your brothers in the military are relying upon
00:27:17.360
you doing your job, but these are men who are highly trained that you're standing next
00:27:21.980
to. And you get out into the civilian world and you have people who are not trained, who
00:27:25.580
are not adequately prepared and frankly, don't have a clue about what's going on around
00:27:29.800
them. So there definitely is, I think, more of a need to protect those around you when
00:27:33.840
you're outside of the military. Although you may probably experience more of, of harm's
00:27:42.860
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. But it's funny because I think that now, you know, I'm more vulnerable
00:27:50.120
because I don't, I don't have echelons of security above me and that guy standing next to
00:27:55.420
me. You know, it just, it's me and, you know, my wife when we're out and about. And
00:28:02.700
I've got, I don't have that guy watching my six necessarily all the time. So I, I, I find
00:28:11.940
myself more vulnerable now than even when I was in harm's way.
00:28:17.540
Yeah, that's a great point. You're not, I mean, one of the, so I spent some time in the
00:28:20.860
military as well. And on base, we had this sign before we left, left the wire, left post.
00:28:25.100
It was, it always said complacency kills, right? And, and so we were trained to be alert. We
00:28:30.240
were trained to be on, we were trained to be looking out for potential threats. And, and
00:28:34.880
you know, now anymore, it's like, I don't really have to frankly worry about that. It's
00:28:38.940
a, it's a choice that I have to make, but the threat is greatly reduced. And therefore
00:28:43.140
my complacency has certainly risen since it has, when I was in the military, what, 10, almost
00:28:48.720
15 years ago now. Yeah. Yeah. But you think about it, it should, it should be heightened
00:28:54.040
because you don't have all, you know, you don't have all those peeps watching your watch,
00:28:58.820
you know, in, in 360 degree, 33% security or whatever. Right. Right. You're just on your
00:29:06.000
own. That's why I liked it. I think you did a video on Instagram. It must've been, I don't
00:29:10.820
know, a couple of weeks ago and you said something to the effect and I can't remember the exact term
00:29:14.980
you use, but something to the effect of your, your, your, your own agent of personal protection
00:29:19.680
or something along those lines. I, do you remember the term you used?
00:29:23.680
Yeah. Because I do them every Sunday. Uh, I call them Sunday sentinel sermons and I start
00:29:29.040
by saying as the agent in charge of your own executive protection. That's what it is.
00:29:33.360
That's what it is. So yeah, people hit that hashtag, that Sunday sentinel sermon. There's
00:29:39.140
about 40 of them up there and I even lumped those together and put them on YouTube just because
00:29:43.980
some people are YouTubers and some people are Instagrammers. So, uh, yeah, there's about
00:29:48.660
40 of them and they're just excerpts from my, my sentinel book is what they are. Um, but
00:29:54.800
they're just 30 second smack down, you know, slap in the face of saying, Hey, pull your head
00:30:02.320
out of your ass and consider this, you know, consider if you're out with your kids, not wearing
00:30:08.820
freaking flip flops because you can't pick them up and run through broken glass for a hundred
00:30:12.640
yards. Consider where you parked, consider, you know, when going into a busy place, this
00:30:17.640
and that consider, you know, when you're driving, stay in this lane. Consider, you know, just,
00:30:22.340
they're just, uh, just a ton of little 30 second info, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, sentinel, um, blurbs.
00:30:32.540
Sure. Yeah. The one I listened to just recently was, I think you were talking about, uh, the, uh,
00:30:39.500
the intersection and you being able to, you know, not get stuck in a center lane, you making sure
00:30:44.840
that there's plenty of space between you and the car in front of you. So if you need to make quick
00:30:47.980
moves or get out of there, you can, but these are just things that I appreciate because they aren't
00:30:53.120
things that you would think about on a daily basis. Although you probably, especially as a man,
00:30:57.820
probably ought to be aware of these things and, and, and just tee yourself up for a potentially
00:31:04.080
better outcome in a potentially catastrophic situation. Yeah. And I always say we don't,
00:31:10.580
we don't plan to fail, but we fail the plan. And when we do, we get experience and experience is
00:31:14.900
something we get shortly after we need it, you know, and, um, all it takes is you don't have,
00:31:20.740
I'm not talking about a detailed plan, but just, just a rough outline, you know, extremely rough.
00:31:28.020
You know, especially if you're with kitties or your wife or whatever, I mean, you are there,
00:31:33.800
the executive, uh, you're the, uh, uh, you know, the AIC, you're the agent in charge of your own
00:31:38.800
executive protection detail. And those are your principles. So you've got to do those five and
00:31:44.580
25s, stuff like that. You've got to, um, you know, remember where you parked and think about how
00:31:49.800
you park in a certain place. You got to think about avenues of ingress and egress and areas of
00:31:57.020
defilade and just be in the yellow. You don't have to be in the orange, you know, cause that's
00:32:00.620
exhausting. But as soon as you're out and about, you got to be in the yellow. You just have to have
00:32:05.340
your wits about you a little bit. You can't be stuck on your cell phone. Uh, you have to think
00:32:10.720
about, um, you know, exits in the building and make, and it's easy to make kids aware of that stuff
00:32:17.800
too. You know, Hey kids, if we were to have to exit right now, where's the emergency exit?
00:32:24.240
You know, and they're like, Oh, it's right over there. You know? And most people have no idea
00:32:28.980
where the emergency exit is in buildings. They'll get burned in a fire because they're trying to run
00:32:33.340
out the front door rather than going through the fire escape exit. Yeah. Well, I like this because
00:32:40.040
you can turn these things into a game, even with your kids where it's not, you're not being paranoid
00:32:45.080
or, you know, the, the crazy guy, like the over prepper, right? Like, and that's what you're
00:32:50.900
talking about is about being in the yellow versus being in the orange. Like be aware, but you don't
00:32:55.340
need to be crazy about this stuff and you can turn it into a game with your kids so that they're more
00:32:59.080
capable when the time comes. Yeah. And the kiddies love it too. You know, uh, I would say stuff like,
00:33:05.360
um, Hey, if we had to exit right now through that emergency exit, which way would we have to go to
00:33:10.160
get to our car? So now they're thinking they love that stuff. They're like, Oh,
00:33:14.380
when we, if we leave, we have to turn left. Right. Or let's say, uh, you know, Walmart,
00:33:21.520
I would make, uh, like in route rally points for them along the way. You know, Hey, if we get
00:33:26.640
separated, we're meeting here. We get to another place. If we get separated, we're meeting here.
00:33:30.320
You see this big thing. This is where we're meeting. If we get separated, you know, that stuff.
00:33:34.800
If we get separated, you don't find me, you know where the car is, right? Get to the car.
00:33:38.480
Uh, that kind of stuff, but just, just a small plan and, and, and the kids love it. They, they,
00:33:45.220
they eat that stuff up because it's, it's a game to them.
00:33:49.560
Gents, let me hit the time out the pause button. If we can, uh, we had such a huge success with the
00:33:55.680
inaugural order of man main event that we decided to get you the dates for the next one as soon as
00:34:02.800
we possibly could. So I know this is a ways out, but I got to let you know right now, it's going to
00:34:07.620
be held in Maine on May 29th through 31st, 2020, May 29th through the 31st, 2020. Again, I know
00:34:16.300
that's a ways out, but I wanted to give you plenty of notice so you can secure your spot to an event
00:34:20.340
that quite literally has the ability to transform the way you look at your life as a man and the way
00:34:26.160
you show up in it as well. Uh, the institutions that we once used to band with other men are dwindling
00:34:32.600
they're being dismantled. And that's why it's critical that you find new and improved ways of
00:34:37.620
banding with other men who are on the same path as you. We had such a huge success, uh, a couple of
00:34:43.900
weeks ago with our first main event. In fact, I made this one available to order of men, uh, main event
00:34:50.240
alumni and the iron council members. And I believe we're about 40% sold out already. There's only 75
00:34:56.840
spots. So that means that we're creeping up on 35 to 40 spots left in this thing. And again,
00:35:04.640
I know it's a ways out. I wanted to give you plenty of time to prepare again. Uh, the event is May 29th
00:35:11.260
through the 31st, 2020. And when you joined with us, you're going to get two and a half days of
00:35:17.140
brotherhood and camaraderie and challenge clarity and instruction for improving your life. So check it
00:35:25.340
out, head to order of man.com slash main event. Do it very, very quickly. Although it's what nine
00:35:31.480
months away, do it quickly because this thing's going to sell out and you're not going to hear
00:35:35.260
me talk about it a whole lot, uh, because we already have those spots filled again, order of
00:35:39.940
man.com slash main event. Come out to my property, enjoy the camaraderie, get your head, right? Your
00:35:44.820
mind, right? Your body, right? And we'll get you on track and pointed in the right direction. And then
00:35:49.100
give you some accountability partners along the way. Again, order of man.com slash main event. Hope to see
00:35:54.360
you there. Do that after the show guys. Uh, for now we'll get back to my conversation with the one
00:35:58.900
and only Pat McNamara. Yeah. Yeah. One of the things you said is do your fives and 25s. Do you
00:36:05.620
mind explaining what that is? So I tell people like I use Walmart parking lot as an example,
00:36:12.580
what I call the epicenter for disaster planning. Sure. And, um, so I apologize about the cough. I'm just
00:36:20.420
getting over a virus. Yeah, no worries. No worries. You got to recover. Yeah.
00:36:24.300
I mean, um, so, you know, when you back into your spot, just take a quick peek around. So,
00:36:30.320
you know, GIs know what five and 25 is. Um, it, it just, it's just a quick scan. You're
00:36:36.900
scanning five yards and then 25 yards. And in a parking lot like that, before you get out
00:36:42.900
of your car, you just make that scan, which includes your mirrors, your rear and side view
00:36:47.560
mirrors at five and then 25 and just kind of glance into other people's windshields. You'd be
00:36:53.720
surprised at how many times you see somebody looking back at you and 99% of the time it's
00:36:59.400
benign. Sure. It's an old lady or husband to pick up her prescription meds. But in the
00:37:04.760
event you locked eyes with, you know, would be scumbag, you have relinquished him of his
00:37:09.640
ability to attack because you've taken the element of surprise from it. Cause a scumbag
00:37:14.820
or a predator human is like a predator in the wild. They need to take easy prey.
00:37:20.200
Right. And no matter how weak, frail you are or petite, if you lock eyes with a would-be
00:37:28.320
predator, you've taken element of surprise from that, that person you've taken. They
00:37:34.400
no longer have that. Um, plus it's just really good peace of mind for me. It's
00:37:39.480
habitual. It's just a way of life. I do it everywhere I go. And you know, yes, 99% of the
00:37:45.200
time it is absolutely benign, but that 1% or that 0.01%, whatever it is. Um, like I
00:37:56.180
said, we don't fail to plan, but we, but we, we don't plan to fail, but we fail to plan.
00:38:00.320
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you talk about it being habitual and the point that, that I would make sure guys
00:38:06.880
understand is that this isn't going to take you a bunch of extra time, right? Doing fives
00:38:10.720
and 25s isn't going to take you, it's not going to take you 10 minutes. It's going to take you 10
00:38:15.260
seconds to scan and make sure your surroundings are secure. Yep. And if that, you know, it could
00:38:22.000
be five seconds. Right. And before I open the door for my wife or, uh, you know, whenever I have my
00:38:27.980
kiddies, I'm going to do that scan real quick. And I, and I used to tell them when they were little
00:38:32.360
too, before we get out of the car, I would say heads on a swivel. Yes. And it's good seeing them
00:38:39.060
just look around, you know, instead of following me, like there are a bunch of sheep in the herd,
00:38:43.700
having them look around, or I would tell them, um, especially when they were little, you know,
00:38:49.140
they're teenagers now, so they don't listen to me, but, but, um, when they were little, um,
00:38:53.980
I would put one of them on point. All right. James, you have point today, lead us to this spot,
00:39:00.600
whatever it is. And, uh, because it gives them, you know, it empowers them not to be, uh, so they're
00:39:07.660
no longer just sheep in the herd, you know, they've got, uh, a sense of duty and, uh, it's,
00:39:14.080
it's, it's fun for them, you know? Yeah. Cause I've got point, I'm on security, you know,
00:39:19.300
Claire, you're your security, James, you're on point. Lead me to this spot.
00:39:24.600
Yeah. I like that. I, you know, I remember an experience. It must've been two or three years ago,
00:39:29.040
my oldest son. So he must've been eight or nine years old. It was him and I
00:39:32.320
walking down the Las Vegas Boulevard. And it must've been, uh, maybe a lower traffic place
00:39:39.060
or later in the evening. And he looked out in front of him and he saw this guy who either had
00:39:45.820
some serious mental issues or was high as a kite. And he's like, dad, let's go this way. And he
00:39:50.980
wanted to go a different way. And so I said, that's a great idea. Let's go that way.
00:39:54.600
But what was interesting is afterwards, he said, he's like, ah, dad, I didn't know if we should go
00:39:58.360
that way. I kind of felt bad. I didn't, I didn't know what I should do. I said, you handled it
00:40:01.700
exactly right. Like you saw the threat. You made a course correction that didn't impact or affect us.
00:40:06.840
And you kept us safe. That was exactly the right decision. He felt good about that.
00:40:11.000
But I think, I think what a lot of people do, maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong.
00:40:16.400
If, have you ran into many people who are afraid to act on either intuition or a perceived threat?
00:40:25.000
Is there people that, I'm sure that happens quite a bit, right?
00:40:29.460
Yeah. Well, when you, when you, when you, uh, uh, came up with that anecdote with your kid,
00:40:36.220
the first thing that came to mind was good for him, intuition, right? You know, and,
00:40:40.620
and we have to act on intuition. It's a gift we were born with. It's primal. It's a very primal
00:40:45.340
gift we were born with. And we human beings tend to relinquish a lot of our primal defense
00:40:51.320
mechanisms. You know, an intuition is one of them. Do we do that out of what civility or what?
00:40:57.400
Like, why do we relinquish that? A lot of it, a lot of it is out of civility. Um, for instance,
00:41:04.180
a good example, let's say you're at the ATM, you're looking in a reflection and you see somebody
00:41:09.880
directly behind you. Are they there to harm you? Probably not. Right. But they're right freaking
00:41:16.960
behind you. You know, if you look back and you say, excuse me or whatever, that can be presumptuous,
00:41:26.360
right? Nowadays, it could be, it could be racist. It could be sexist. It could be whatever it is,
00:41:30.880
you know? So people are afraid to act on, on that because of PC or whatever it is. You can still do
00:41:39.040
the same thing by maybe turning back and saying, man, I hope they have money in this thing or,
00:41:45.400
or, um, boy, these things take a long time, but you know, you still look back and you've,
00:41:51.860
and you've done a quick scan of this person and you have, um, determined whether or not they are a
00:41:57.740
threat. And once again, you have relinquished them of any, uh, threat because you've already
00:42:02.680
turned and addressed them. Right. But it could be, you know, it could be completely, uh, friendly and
00:42:09.000
not aggressive. That's a great example. I know for me, even I get uncomfortable if I'm at the,
00:42:15.960
the grocery store or the convenience store and somebody's right behind me in line. And I just,
00:42:21.100
I turn sideways. I'm like, I'm not going to have you at my back. I'm going to be sideways between
00:42:25.340
the cashier, myself and you, because I want to see what you're up to. Even if you have
00:42:30.000
no negative or bad intentions, I, I got to know that I'm okay here.
00:42:34.660
Yeah. Because there, there are too many dopey people now, you know, we've, uh, we've relinquished
00:42:39.820
our, uh, defense mechanisms, our intuition where we're, uh, living in 45 degree syndrome.
00:42:47.340
But, but the thing is, if that's a way of life, you know, if it's habitual that, that mere chance
00:42:54.260
that somebody is there with bad intentions, you are going to dissuade them from, you know,
00:43:01.840
their initial plan of attack just by, just by doing that. You don't have to be a dickhead
00:43:06.520
about it either. You know, it could be just like blading it off. Like you said, um, it
00:43:11.180
can be completely human and, and it shouldn't be taken and it wouldn't, it won't be taken
00:43:16.760
the wrong way. If your body mechanics, body behavior tells them that you don't see them
00:43:22.820
as a threat, you know, you're not, you're not looking at them and giving them a scan
00:43:28.140
up and down. Like you're a freaking ninja, you know, right. But you're just telling that
00:43:35.500
person, Hey, I'm alert. I'm aware. I've got more wits about me. Don't fuck with me.
00:43:40.860
Yeah. Well, I think that's the ultimate point is that it seems to me that anybody who's going
00:43:45.460
to do anyone harm is, is naturally inevitably like to your point earlier, going to look for
00:43:49.580
the weakest link, uh, the weakest target. And if you're not that person, then I think
00:43:54.960
just by default, you, you eliminate a lot of these potential threats because somebody
00:44:01.780
is just going to move on. I'm not saying you're, you're not, you're not at risk ever. I'm just
00:44:05.820
saying you probably eliminate a lot of these potential things and, and these guys just move
00:44:10.660
on to somebody else. Right. Bingo. Yeah. One of the things that you had said too, is that you are
00:44:18.260
trying to make your, your wife more capable, enable her to be, like you said, the agent in
00:44:24.760
charge of your own personal, uh, executive protection. What are some things that you've
00:44:28.700
taught her that you've taught your kids, uh, so that they are capable of doing these things
00:44:34.360
on their own when you're not around? Cause you can't be there 24 seven. Well, I am fortunate
00:44:40.320
that my wife has buy-in to my, to my way of life. We're, we're, we're best of friends. Um,
00:44:47.140
you know, it hasn't always been that way. I was, I was married before and it was, it was
00:44:51.580
always an uphill battle, you know, where, you know, you're paranoid or, um, just enjoy life.
00:44:59.260
Don't, you know, not everybody's out to get you in a bit. And I'm not like that. I'm not paranoid.
00:45:05.360
I'm just, I'm just switched on. You're just prepared. I heard the distinction between paranoia
00:45:09.820
and preparation, right? Right. So my wife, uh, has, I have, you know, buy-in with her. So
00:45:18.540
she is into it. I don't ask her to do stuff. She's come to four of my courses, my, my shooting
00:45:23.880
courses. She, uh, she shoots on her own and she's good. Cause just because you have a gun doesn't
00:45:28.940
in your arm. Yeah. Yeah. Great point. It's just a hunk of metal, right? Yeah, man. It's,
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it's, it's, you sometimes you're more of a liability than you are an asset. Yeah. Um,
00:45:39.440
and then she, um, she's also, you know, she, she follows that sentinel mask way of life,
00:45:46.660
you know, where she switched on. She's aware of her surroundings with whom she's standing next
00:45:52.900
to, you know, uh, she's, uh, been taking fight training for a long time. And, uh, yeah, she,
00:46:02.820
uh, she's ready to defend herself and me if, if necessary.
00:46:09.440
What would you say to someone who, uh, a man listening to this, who subscribes to everything
00:46:16.520
you're teaching and talking about and wants to make themselves a better sentinel, but they're
00:46:22.580
having a hard time getting their partner, their spouse on board with this. Are there some things
00:46:27.380
that you've shared with these guys that will help prepare a wife or, or a partner a little bit
00:46:33.160
better? Uh, maybe somebody that's hesitant or resistant. I even know guys who have wives who
00:46:37.720
they're, they're so scared or freaked out by guns, for example, that they refuse to do anything with
00:46:43.200
them or violence that they refuse to take any sort of martial arts class. Cause it's quote unquote
00:46:47.200
violent. Is there some things that you would teach or educate or help to get, get some of
00:46:56.180
Uh, that's, that's real tough because I lived that way for a long time and it's a, that's
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a tough one. Um, I would say to the guys who aren't married yet, choose wisely.
00:47:11.540
But, um, so you don't run into that because I had to do all that stuff on my own, you know,
00:47:16.140
as far as like, um, you know, just having my house in the right condition and, um, prepping
00:47:27.680
for like a natural disaster or, uh, training on my own. Um, I had, I have simple rules like
00:47:35.360
for instance, cars in the driveway are never below three quarters of a tank because people
00:47:40.140
are killing each other for a gallon of gas when the power goes out.
00:47:42.920
Quickly too. I mean, that doesn't have, power doesn't have to be out for very long before
00:47:47.320
Yep. Yep. So, you know, simple rules like that. Um, when I was married before, she couldn't
00:47:55.440
abide by it. That was simple things. Just simple. A cash in the house, um, this much food,
00:48:01.280
this much water, uh, this box is for this. Don't, you know, you don't have to tamper with
00:48:07.320
this cause it's our, it's our go box. Um, so I had to kind of do it on my own and just
00:48:12.840
realize that, well, this is, this is not an asset. It's a liability and I have to freaking,
00:48:22.020
I have to suck it up, man. I gotta, I gotta embrace the suck and deal with it. Unless of course
00:48:28.020
something freaking horrible happens because unfortunately that's human. You know, they're
00:48:33.480
waiting for something horrible to happen before they start thinking, you know what? I should
00:48:38.400
be more prepared. And man, that's, that's one of the, that's what I'm trying to, trying
00:48:44.300
to get rid of that mindset, uh, with those Sunday central servants because they resonate
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with people and they're not impossible to do. They're just little things, you know,
00:48:55.300
they're, they're incremental, they're incremental improvements on daily way of life.
00:49:00.320
Yeah. I think this is kind of like that, uh, that story of what is it? Chicken little
00:49:04.760
where, you know, she, she does all the work and everybody's like, no, no, no, nothing
00:49:08.640
will fall. Nothing or this guy's not falling or nothing's bad is going to happen. And then
00:49:12.020
all of a sudden things go south and, uh, you know, like she's the only one that's prepared.
00:49:16.680
Right. And I think that's probably, I imagine you get that a lot where, uh, you are looked
00:49:24.500
at as kind of the weirdo, right? Or, or the, the paranoid. And so people have these judgments
00:49:30.860
about you until, until something goes wrong and they're like, Oh, call Pat. He's got this
00:49:35.480
handled. Yeah. So I, I'd rather have assets out there than liabilities. You know, I believe
00:49:42.440
that I truly believe that most people are good people and most people want to be better
00:49:48.280
people and it's not hard to make, to make them a better people. So I put a lot of free
00:49:54.500
information out there on how to just make incremental improvements in your life. I have a saying,
00:49:59.080
um, I say, if you cloned yourself yesterday, can you kick your clones ass tomorrow? You know,
00:50:04.800
so it's just simple improvements in self and being and lifestyle, just little teeny improvements.
00:50:12.560
That's all it takes. It doesn't, it doesn't require a lot. You don't need a whiteboard or a,
00:50:16.560
or a stupid resolution or anything like that. Just start changing today.
00:50:21.480
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, man. Well, uh, let me ask you a couple of additional questions,
00:50:26.500
Pat, as we wind down. Uh, the first question that I prepped you for a little bit is what does
00:50:30.800
it mean to be a man? Bro, that is a hard, that's all. I'm just going to throw a couple words. One is
00:50:38.380
a man has got to be selfless. Um, I think too many men and I'm doing air quotes are selfish.
00:50:49.360
They're self, they're selfish. And, uh, you know, as a man, you have to be selfless. You have to be the
00:50:55.380
provider. You have to, you have to be the sentinel. You have to be the one who, who works hard and
00:51:02.520
doesn't bitch about it at the end of the day. You know, um, you have to have time for, uh, those
00:51:10.240
kitties, your loved ones, your wife. Um, you have to have a level of humility too. Um, and, um,
00:51:19.180
I mean, damn man, that, that's a really good question. I mean, that, that's just, just a
00:51:27.360
partial, partial answer. Another one that I always tell guys is you've got to be able to hook up your
00:51:32.420
wife, man. I mean, satisfy her in every way possible. Um, I hate stereotypical freaking crap.
00:51:40.560
I hear about dudes, you know, um, I like to, uh, my, my wife is my queen, but she's always my bride.
00:51:47.620
And, um, I'm going to keep her satisfied. If you know what I mean?
00:51:52.660
Yes. Yes. In more ways than one, hopefully. Right.
00:51:56.700
Damn straight. That's, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
00:51:59.560
Yes. Right on Pat. I appreciate it, man. Those, that that's definitely, uh, something that we
00:52:04.920
ascribe to as well. Well, I'm glad we had this conversation. Like I said, it's been powerful.
00:52:09.200
The guys are going to get a lot of value from it. And of course, we're going to send them your
00:52:12.080
way because there is so much more. There are all kinds of little nuances and things they need to be
00:52:17.240
aware of. I'm excited to get them over to you. How do we connect with you? Where should, uh,
00:52:20.680
where should the guys go to connect with you and learn more?
00:52:23.600
You know, um, my main platform is T max Inc. So that's my website. That's my Instagram. Um,
00:52:33.300
and that's T max Inc. T M A C S I N C. Then I've got a YouTube channel, Pat Mac YouTube channel. Um,
00:52:41.240
and then I've got, I've got my own podcast, the university of bad-assery. I co-host it.
00:52:46.940
Great, great lessons on there. Uh, the host is very cool. Um, he, uh, he's got a great gift
00:52:54.220
oratory and, um, we, we have a lot of fun with that as well. But, uh, those are, those are my
00:53:00.480
main platforms right there. Right on. We'll, uh, we'll get it all synced up. So the guys know where
00:53:04.540
to go again, Pat, appreciate you, man. Thanks for taking some of your time. It's, I know it's valuable
00:53:08.820
and, and sharing and imparting some of your wisdom with us today. Appreciate it.
00:53:15.480
Gentlemen, there you go. My conversation with Pat McNamara. I hope that you enjoyed that one.
00:53:19.940
I do know the audio was a little rough. I asked you to forgive me a little bit, uh, ahead of time,
00:53:24.700
but I think if you stuck with me and Pat, uh, you really got a lot of value and you saw the value
00:53:29.760
and what it is that he is doing, why it's so important that we make ourselves the sentinel.
00:53:34.860
I believe he says making yourself or, or, uh, acting as the agent in charge of your own
00:53:41.940
executive security detail, which I kind of like that, uh, that term might be using that
00:53:47.300
a little bit more. I'll make sure you connect with me and Pat on Instagram. Both of those
00:53:51.140
are very, very active on Instagram, other places as well, but namely Instagram, uh, just
00:53:56.400
connect with us over there. Let us know what you thought about the show, uh, share the show
00:53:59.680
on Instagram. That's a great way to do it. Just share it in your stories. Uh, I'm at Ryan
00:54:03.940
Mickler M I C H L E R is my last name and you can connect with us there. And again, let us
00:54:11.660
know what you thought about the show and share it and put it out in the world and everything
00:54:15.560
else. Anyways, guys, I want to let you know, as we part today, that I appreciate you being
00:54:19.140
on this path and this journey. I realized that I could not do it without you. Uh, that
00:54:23.100
does not go unnoticed or unappreciated, uh, from me. So with that said, we'll let you get
00:54:29.320
to your day. We'll be back tomorrow for an ask me anything. And in fact, I think tomorrow's episode
00:54:35.140
is going to be live, uh, from the origin immersion camp in Maine. Kip is here as well. So we'll be
00:54:43.060
doing that together and we're going to be doing a lot more video too. So if you're not connected
00:54:46.980
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00:54:51.720
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00:54:56.760
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00:55:01.440
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