Order of Man - PAT MCNAMARA ｜ Make Yourself a Sentinel

00:00:00.000 Too many men are too reliant on others to save them when it all hits the fan. And while there

00:00:05.200 may be someone there to rescue you in your greatest time of need, it's critical that we

00:00:10.240 all learn to take care of and protect ourselves. That's why I wanted to have Pat McNamara join me

00:00:15.700 on the podcast as a 22 year military veteran and someone who has dedicated his life to making

00:00:22.220 himself more capable in the most dire times. He is uniquely qualified to talk about situational

00:00:29.040 awareness, staying on the alert, being prepared, but not being paranoid and ultimately making

00:00:35.200 yourself a sentinel. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears

00:00:40.300 and boldly charge your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time

00:00:46.440 you are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is

00:00:53.420 who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done,

00:00:59.040 you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan

00:01:03.440 Michler and I am the host and the founder of this podcast and the movement that is Order

00:01:08.240 of Man. I want to welcome you here, whether you're listening for the first time or you've

00:01:12.200 been tuned in for the past four and a half years now, we continue to grow and this movement

00:01:16.800 continues to expand. And part of the reason is because this is much needed in society.

00:01:23.140 Seems to me that masculinity continues to get dismissed, continues to be mocked, continues

00:01:28.760 to be undermined. And it's my job and my responsibility and our mission to reclaim and

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00:02:21.760 His name is Pat McNamara and I'll introduce him here in a quick second. We're going to get

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00:04:06.700 With that said, actually one more thing before I get into it and introduce you to Pat is you will

00:04:11.840 have to forgive the audio. Pat and I were having some technical difficulties and the audio is a

00:04:17.440 little rough, uh, especially in some places, but I wanted to get this conversation to you because

00:04:22.360 it is so, so powerful. Uh, and it's something that all of us could use more of and make ourselves

00:04:27.880 more capable of. So again, forgive the audio, you'll get through it. Still a great conversation

00:04:33.260 and something that's going to be very, very powerful again with a man by the name of Pat

00:04:36.980 McNamara. Now I know a lot of, you may not need an introduction. Uh, in fact, I've got a lot of

00:04:42.000 requests to get him on the podcast. Uh, he's frankly, one of the baddest men on the planet. And as I

00:04:47.440 mentioned earlier, he's a 22 year military veteran, uh, and has served in a myriad of special

00:04:52.620 operations units. And through his military service, he began to hone and refine and develop

00:04:59.020 his own training methodology, which combines safety and critical thinking and ultimately

00:05:05.880 effectiveness. Uh, in addition to that, he is an author. Uh, he's got the book tactical application

00:05:11.400 and practical shooting, which as the name implies, you can, you can pick it up from there. And then

00:05:16.840 also Sentinel. And we actually talk a lot about making ourselves a Sentinel today, which is a,

00:05:21.700 a protector, a watchman, if you will. Uh, and today he joins me to talk about making yourself

00:05:27.880 a more capable protector. Pat, what's going on, man. Thanks for joining me on the, uh,

00:05:33.000 the order of man podcast. Glad to have you. Ryan, thanks for having me on. Appreciate it.

00:05:38.160 Yeah, man. I've been looking forward to this. I've been following you for man years now. And then we

00:05:43.060 finally got introduced and couldn't be more honored to have this discussion. And it's one that a lot of guys

00:05:49.300 need to hear, uh, this element of protection and being aware and just some of the things that you

00:05:54.180 put out into the world and on Instagram and YouTube and everywhere else that I follow you. So it's

00:05:57.700 going to be good. Yeah. Yeah, man. I think, uh, thanks a lot. Yeah. I'm glad we connected. You

00:06:02.020 know, the internet's a funny place. I get to meet some, some really awesome people through the, uh,

00:06:09.660 through the interwebs. So I appreciate you having me on. Yeah. It's interesting. You know,

00:06:13.400 a lot of people talk about the internet as, as being, well, they talk negatively of the internet

00:06:18.840 and technology. And although it has its negative sides, uh, it's certainly a great opportunity to

00:06:24.560 connect with other people who we wouldn't have that access to what, five, 10 years ago.

00:06:29.700 Yep. Yeah. I, you know what, it depends on how you use it too. I mean, it could be venomous

00:06:34.420 and, and shrill and, uh, vile, but, um, I don't, I don't have any of those issues.

00:06:41.260 Right. Cause I don't use it that way. Yeah. It's just a tool, right? And the way you use the

00:06:46.120 tool is how it's effective for you. Yeah, I don't, it's a tool and I don't, I don't weaponize

00:06:51.160 this particular tool. Yeah. What do you mean by weaponize? Well, you know, there's a lot of people

00:06:57.280 like, let's say trolls, et cetera, you know, their, their function in life is to nitpick others and

00:07:04.540 maybe bully them from a, uh, you know, their castle made of sand, uh, from their mom's basement.

00:07:11.260 And, uh, you know, they get great satisfaction out of, you know, being visceral online and nitpicking

00:07:19.360 and looking for anybody's faults. And some people are vulnerable to that. Me, I could really give a

00:07:25.060 shit, man. I don't care. Where do you, uh, where do you think that comes from? Cause I think that is 0.99

00:07:29.980 one trait that a lot of men would like to develop is caring less about what some of these naysayers

00:07:35.840 might say. Yeah. You know what? Um, I think that's, it's developed, um, you know, not,

00:07:43.600 not giving a crap about what others say. And you, and you have to have a level of confidence. You

00:07:50.400 know, if you, if, if you're confident in who you are and let's, uh, and if you're clean morally and 0.57

00:07:58.640 ethically, then none of that crap should freaking bother you at all. I think it's guys who are

00:08:05.300 maybe a little weak minded, or let's say they, um, they have, uh, an inferiority complex

00:08:13.080 or they aren't squeaky clean morally and ethically than they are vulnerable, vulnerable to, uh, attacks

00:08:21.620 by those who have nothing better to do than attack from their, you know, their, their, their,

00:08:27.880 their pulpit. Yeah. Well, I think you bring up a great point when you talk about having this level

00:08:34.840 of, of confidence. Cause I think what a lot of guys believe is that somehow they're just supposed

00:08:39.000 to manufacture this feeling of, of self-worth and not giving a care in the world about what

00:08:45.220 other people think. And yet they're living their lives incongruent with how they know they should

00:08:50.140 be. And so that opens them up to all kinds of scrutiny and, and, and self-questioning and self

00:08:56.760 doubt. And obviously you're a man who has worked hard for decades and decades against that for yourself.

00:09:03.660 Right. Right. And, and now I do it, I do it for others too, you know, so, which is very rewarding.

00:09:09.620 I mean, I've, I've kind of morphed into this position and, um, and I love doing it.

00:09:15.360 Yeah. Well, a lot of what you do is, is physical in nature. Would you say that's

00:09:20.480 really where your path got started or did you start on the mindset stuff or, you know,

00:09:25.340 if somebody wants to, to, to fortify themselves against some of these things that we're talking

00:09:29.900 about and even more, which we'll get into, where do we start? Is it the physical stuff? Is it the

00:09:34.880 mental stuff? What, where would you suggest? No, I, I, I'd start with the, um, with the, uh,

00:09:42.460 you know, the software, the mind, uh, you know, I always, I like to tell people the mind is the

00:09:47.000 final weapon, all else is supplemental because, um, you know, when it comes to physical stuff, not,

00:09:52.760 not everybody's got that. I mean, what if, what if you are, um, you know, you have some kind of

00:09:58.300 disability that, that, that makes for, you know, a physical way of life nearly impossible. 0.98

00:10:06.680 You know, you can develop a mind where you, you can be extremely confident and not give a shit 0.94

00:10:12.420 about what others think and defeat people just by, um, that resonating that kind of attitude and that 0.93

00:10:20.820 kind of, uh, confidence about you. So I, I would stick with that over anything.

00:10:26.420 Yeah. It's a good point. Cause a lot of people will ask and you brought up the perfect scenario

00:10:30.920 is somebody with a physical or a disability or injury that they're dealing with. It's like these

00:10:36.920 guys, a lot of them sometimes believe that they can't be men because they're dealing with some

00:10:41.860 physical limitations. And I mean, I don't think that's the case as long as you're fortifying your

00:10:46.400 mind. I know a lot of the ways that guys build up their mind is through physical, uh, and strenuous

00:10:51.600 activity. What other suggestions do you have? Uh, for building up your mind? Correct.

00:10:59.500 Well, you know, uh, aligning yourself with the right people, you know, uh, if you were,

00:11:04.600 if you were the bravest guy in the room, you were in the wrong room, you know, if you're the smartest

00:11:08.040 guy in the room, you were in the wrong room. Um, or if you're the strongest guy in the room,

00:11:13.480 you're probably in the wrong freaking room, you know? So align yourself with those

00:11:17.600 who you can, you know, look up to and learn something from. And, and, and when I say learn

00:11:24.580 and smart, you know, they don't have to be rocket scientists. They just have to, you know, they have

00:11:30.240 to have their wits about them and, um, have a level of aptitude that one can, uh, draw from. Um,

00:11:39.280 and I'm not talking, you know, word player mathematics. I'm just talking about maybe wisdom,

00:11:44.520 even, you know, align yourself with people with wisdom and you can develop an attitude and that

00:11:51.260 confidence just by aligning yourself and hanging out with the right people because, because that 0.99

00:11:57.420 shit resonates, man. It's contagious, you know, attitude, aptitude, desire. Those are all contagious 0.99

00:12:03.000 and, and, and they're learned. Those are learned attributes. They're learned and, and we can develop

00:12:10.000 those, but they have to be nurtured, you know, once, once we learn them, we have to, uh, they have

00:12:15.100 to become self-sustaining after a while instead of somebody feeding it to you constantly, you know,

00:12:20.700 and once they're self-sustaining, then, uh, what I like to tell people is keep the blaze alive.

00:12:27.080 I like that. How do you, how do you personally keep the blaze alive? I mean, I know just through

00:12:32.160 watching you and, uh, and seeing what you do on Instagram and YouTube, I'm like, obviously this is

00:12:37.620 somebody who's passionate, who's fired up. Uh, what, what would you suggest to the guys?

00:12:43.140 Well, two different questions there. The first one, what, how do I keep the blaze alive is, um,

00:12:51.980 what motivates a motivator is telling me that you're motivating them. So my, um, the people who

00:12:58.580 follow me are stoking my fire. So I'm, I, I am reliant on them because it's,

00:13:06.580 day to day, they're looking for me to kick them in the putt and, uh, and they're thanking me for it.

00:13:13.680 And, uh, that, that fires me up, you know, it gives me that drive, you know, especially when I

00:13:18.320 don't, I don't feel like it, you know, um, I know that beyond just me, beyond for myself and for my

00:13:27.400 loved ones, um, I have this like duty now, like an obligation to be, uh, somebody else's,

00:13:37.280 inspiration or bad-ass, you know, to have that bad-ass three kind of rub off them a little bit.

00:13:42.460 So, um, the people who follow me and, and comment positively, uh, that I am inspiring them are,

00:13:51.020 are firing me up. They, they, they keep my blaze alive.

00:13:55.240 Do you think that you've, that you've always been that way? Uh, you know, I, there's obviously the

00:14:00.780 difference between working on yourself and you talked a lot, you talked about that and now you've

00:14:05.780 transitioned to being able to serve other people. How did that, has that always been the case or is

00:14:11.820 that a transition, a maturity level that you've developed over the course of your military career

00:14:16.480 and some of the other things you've been doing? Yep. That, that has, it has not always been the

00:14:21.560 case. I was, um, I was, I was a follower for a long time in not, not, not sense that I wasn't a

00:14:30.340 leader, just that I had really, really strong, uh, leadership and mentors, you know, early on in my

00:14:36.260 career. And, um, I, I, I followed well, you know, I, I, I picked up the example that others were putting

00:14:45.180 down and, and I consumed it, you know, like energy because I had really good, strong leaders and mentors.

00:14:53.980 And then once I got into a leadership role, it, I kind of found my calling, you know, cause we all

00:15:01.560 develop leadership roles, uh, differently. And, and, and, you know, how it's like, how do you define

00:15:07.420 leadership, man? It's so freaking tough. It's not even funny because there's so many intangibles,

00:15:12.040 you know, it could just be, you know, how, how you walk into a room, you know, and how you, uh,

00:15:18.260 or portray yourself and your attitude day by day. So I have not always been that way. I've

00:15:23.900 kind of morphed into it. And then the older I've gotten, um, the more I've taken on this

00:15:32.120 duty and, and I love the duty. It's not a burden at all, uh, of helping fire up and, uh, it's,

00:15:40.080 it's, it really, it really fuels, it really fuels my fire.

00:15:45.080 Yeah. I mean, I know I've, I've felt that way too. I think there's a lot of guys out there who

00:15:49.000 think that additional responsibility means, means a burden. That's the word you used. And I

00:15:53.740 found that to be the exact opposite is that when you find that responsibility, that's meaningful

00:15:58.820 and significant to you, uh, it creates a lot of freedom to pursue things that, that are exciting.

00:16:04.640 And that, that, like you said, feel, feel the blaze, right?

00:16:08.680 Right. Keep the blaze alive. 0.84

00:16:10.400 Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Uh, I'm going to go back to what you were talking about earlier when you said,

00:16:14.960 you know, if you're the smartest guy or the strongest guy or the most, most confident when you're in these

00:16:20.180 environments, you know, I look at you for example, and see what you do and think, well, this is

00:16:23.840 obviously an assertive man. This is somebody who's confident in himself. This is a leader.

00:16:28.880 And yet you're talking about being in other rooms with men who maybe exhibit even more so of that.

00:16:35.040 How do you find your own leadership style? How do you find your own voice when you're surrounded by

00:16:41.440 men who are more capable or proficient in certain tasks than you are?

00:16:45.580 Well, you know, humility is palatable, you know, it's, it's, um, it's, it's very palatable,

00:16:53.400 especially if, if like guys have ego. Um, so, you know, you, you, you keep your mouth shut for a

00:16:59.800 while and, uh, and listen to what others say and then make a meaningful contribution to, you know,

00:17:07.320 the topic at hand. Um, and then don't feign interest, but be interested because those people

00:17:14.600 have something to say. And there's a, there's a line from a book that, that I read once and I love

00:17:20.420 it. It's, uh, stupidity opens doorways to knowledge that others are willing to teach for free. 1.00

00:17:26.300 And, uh, so when I'm around people like that, you know, I try to pick words carefully so that I can, 0.99

00:17:36.540 I can learn from, just learn from them, period, you know, whatever it is that they're,

00:17:42.900 their, uh, level of tenacity, their level of strength, their level of, um, uh, smarts,

00:17:50.720 whatever it is then. And people become interested because, well, people have to talk about themselves

00:17:57.280 and, and I don't mind that so long as they are interested. You know, um, we human beings love to

00:18:02.940 talk about ourselves and sometimes boring as shit, but other times, sometimes interesting people are 0.97

00:18:10.580 just interesting. Yeah. I mean, that's one of the things that I've enjoyed most about this podcast 0.99

00:18:16.540 is now that we've interviewed, gosh, I think we've interviewed close to 250 men now. It's, well,

00:18:23.280 I mean, it's pretty interesting that the, the caliber of men I've been able to have conversations

00:18:27.800 with and I've just gained more and more curiosity. Like the more people I talk with and the more

00:18:34.760 I learned, the more curious I am about what's driving other high achieving men to perform the way

00:18:39.760 they do. I think that's a skill too, is just being curious. Right. And I think the more curious

00:18:46.440 somebody is, the more not only interested they are, but interesting they are too. I think that's a lot

00:18:51.940 of the reason so many men agree to come on this podcast because I am genuinely curious. I'm not

00:18:56.820 trying to game this or anything. Like, I really want to know what makes you and other people tick.

00:19:01.680 Yeah, man. I mean, you never know what's wrapped inside of somebody, you know, and what they're

00:19:05.700 made of and what they've gone through. So, you know, you can't be presumptuous and, um, and, uh,

00:19:13.780 hubris and just figure that, well, I, I, uh, just so happens I'm chatting with this guy and he looks

00:19:20.780 like just a wet bag of noodles. And, uh, he's got nothing interesting to say that, you know,

00:19:26.840 I am smarter, stronger, faster, brighter, more intelligent than he is because dang, man, some

00:19:33.620 people just have, you know, a backstory that can resonate with you. And, um, you know, it can be

00:19:40.480 either uplifting, motivating, uh, or, uh, or just a great learning experience. I run into that all the

00:19:47.840 time, you know, keep your mouth shut first and just, you know, uh, just enjoy a little chit chat

00:19:53.600 on common ground and, and see what happens. Now, uh, I'm not about, uh, I'm all about cutting away

00:20:00.500 too. If I feel myself getting dumber, like when I'm talking to somebody, I'm leaving that room,

00:20:05.640 I'm leaving that table. That's good. That's a good barometer. I mean, you, and you need to be able

00:20:10.320 to make those decisions quickly because our time and energy is, is finite and you've got to figure out

00:20:15.240 if I'm going to spend time with this individual or if I'm going to invest in somebody else that I

00:20:20.220 can maybe serve a little better or they could serve me. And it's got to be that, I think,

00:20:23.420 mutually beneficial relationship. Yeah, because I enjoy talking to people. Um, I'm not, you know,

00:20:33.540 an extrovert where I have parties and, and I, and I meet with guys and stuff like that, but I,

00:20:39.460 but I go out every night to a pub or something like that and have a couple of pints and I enjoy,

00:20:44.800 uh, um, talking to people. But like you said, man, if I don't have,

00:20:49.960 if I feel like, you know, uh, I'm getting hypoxic by talking to somebody, I'm cutting away

00:20:57.120 pretty freaking quick getting out of there. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense.

00:21:01.900 I want to, uh, I want to shift gears a little bit here because whether you know it or not,

00:21:06.960 what you're doing ties in perfectly to what, what we're all about. And, and I talk with the guys

00:21:11.540 quite a bit about being protectors, providers, and presiders. And I think what you talk about

00:21:15.760 in your message and your brand and everything that you're doing ties into all of those. But

00:21:19.400 specifically, I really think we're drilling down here into the protection component of things.

00:21:24.940 And I want to break this down and get specific and we'll do that over the next little while here.

00:21:28.400 But have you always been somebody who is, well, I don't know, do you consider yourself a protector

00:21:34.720 or, or is there a term that you resonate with more? Like what, how do you identify yourself or

00:21:40.380 what do you consider yourself? Well, I'm self-proclaimed sentinel, you know,

00:21:46.660 because I wrote a book called Sentinel and, uh, I think it just, it's kind of apropos. It kind of

00:21:52.220 covers all the bases, you know, uh, of all the corny, you know, like sheep, sheep, dog, right,

00:21:58.900 axioms. Um, but, uh, I've been ever since I retired, you know, and have come out into the

00:22:09.380 world, I have found myself looking out for, for, for people, you know, because, uh, there,

00:22:20.000 there, cause there are, there are a lot of sheep out there and, and, and I think that's fine. You

00:22:24.880 know, some people are just born to be sheep and, and I am going to protect them whether they want

00:22:30.440 it or not. I am, I am there for them. Is that something that, that you've always, you said

00:22:36.600 since you've retired, but is that, I mean, I imagine that's the case when you were in the

00:22:39.960 military cause you were in the military, what the, uh, for what, 22 years, right? Yeah. 22 years.

00:22:45.640 It was all special ops time. And so did that, did, was that developed through your career or even

00:22:51.420 going into the military? Like when did you join the military? How old were you?

00:22:54.880 Uh, I signed up at 17, went into 18. Okay. Yeah. So even at that age, like how was that

00:23:02.320 instilled upon you prior to even going in the military? Oh, it, it, it, it wasn't, you know,

00:23:08.380 I, I developed into it. Uh, yeah, I was dumber than a brick with a hole in it back then. You 0.94

00:23:13.300 know, I was just, I was thinking about, you know, wanting to be a badass. That was all, you

00:23:17.520 know, uh, you know, early on, I don't think I matured until like mid thirties and then really

00:23:24.280 found, you know, the world a lot different once I retired, because while I was in, I

00:23:28.760 was just working with like-minded people. So I didn't have to think about that much.

00:23:32.280 Um, but once I was out, um, I really started getting switched on to, uh, the, the needs of

00:23:42.140 people. Cause, cause I, it's, it's, it's innate, you know, to, to, to want to care for other

00:23:47.720 human beings. It's, it's just, it's primal and there's nothing wrong with that. We shouldn't

00:23:53.480 say, well, guy got what he deserved or, um, got us up in comments because he's a, he's 0.99

00:23:59.780 a dipshit and wasn't, wasn't alert. Some people just aren't, man. That's just, that's, that's 0.99

00:24:04.080 the world in which we live right now. People aren't alert. They're not switched on. You

00:24:08.160 know, they're flaccid. They're, they're button pushers. They're, they're 45 degree syndrome

00:24:13.960 people now.

00:24:15.860 What do you mean by 45 degree syndrome? What does, what does that mean?

00:24:18.860 Um, so when you got your cell phone in front of you, you know, when you're, and you're

00:24:25.340 looking down, your head's cocked at 45, right? You're bent down. Yeah. That makes sense.

00:24:30.200 Everywhere you go. I mean, it's ubiquitous, you know, now that mode 45 degrees in and people

00:24:39.660 are just walking around in a daze, complete zombie mode in the way out on the street in

00:24:43.780 the white, you know, Cooper's color code, white, black. Sure. They're all in the white right 0.97

00:24:47.100 now. I love that you bring up the idea of doing it because it's innate and being a protector

00:24:55.720 because it's in your nature versus what people want or need or are capable of. Because I think

00:25:03.940 ultimately at the end of the day, when it comes to being a man, the reason that you behave like

00:25:09.960 a man is because you're a man, not because people deserve it or don't deserve it or whatever

00:25:16.240 else justification you have in your mind for either acting or not acting.

00:25:21.740 Great. Yeah. Yep. Love it.

00:25:24.760 So why did this develop after the military? Like what changed for you? Is there specific

00:25:30.140 things that changed in your life where you started to mature and, and think about this

00:25:34.860 a little differently? Cause when I think about a sentinel, I think, I think the warrior in

00:25:40.540 its truest sense really kind of manifests what a sentinel is, but it sounds like maybe

00:25:45.200 that, that transformed a little bit after service.

00:25:50.060 Well, the big reason, you know, I had little kitties at the time too, when I retired, which

00:25:55.600 is a big reason for me to retire early. I call that early 22 years, but because I had little

00:26:03.340 kitties and I needed to be there for them. I needed to be their protector, their sentinel

00:26:08.220 because they're my PC, you know, they're my, uh, um, my, um, my principles. So, uh, I really

00:26:17.720 started to develop that mindset more and more with them and, and just looking around and

00:26:22.180 seeing how vulnerable they are just because not the world in which we live, because the

00:26:30.320 world isn't a worse place now. It's a better place. Now we just, there's more, um, access

00:26:35.480 to information. So we all think it's, it's a worse place now. But, um, um, I, I, I didn't

00:26:42.820 want to be, I don't like to be victimized and I don't want them to ever be victimized. And

00:26:49.000 with my, my wife now, I never want her to be victimized. So I'm, you know, developing her

00:26:53.700 into her, her own first responder, into her own protectee, even though I'm going to, you

00:26:59.060 know, I'm her first responder. She's also mine. But yeah, it all started developing

00:27:04.600 once I got out because when I was in, it was all like-minded individuals and mindset. And

00:27:10.660 I really didn't, I really didn't think about it that much.

00:27:13.760 Right. I mean, to a degree, you know, your, your brothers in the military are relying upon

00:27:17.360 you doing your job, but these are men who are highly trained that you're standing next

00:27:21.980 to. And you get out into the civilian world and you have people who are not trained, who

00:27:25.580 are not adequately prepared and frankly, don't have a clue about what's going on around

00:27:29.800 them. So there definitely is, I think, more of a need to protect those around you when

00:27:33.840 you're outside of the military. Although you may probably experience more of, of harm's

00:27:39.480 way, if you will, when you are in service.

00:27:42.860 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. But it's funny because I think that now, you know, I'm more vulnerable

00:27:50.120 because I don't, I don't have echelons of security above me and that guy standing next to

00:27:55.420 me. You know, it just, it's me and, you know, my wife when we're out and about. And

00:28:02.700 I've got, I don't have that guy watching my six necessarily all the time. So I, I, I find

00:28:11.940 myself more vulnerable now than even when I was in harm's way.

00:28:17.540 Yeah, that's a great point. You're not, I mean, one of the, so I spent some time in the

00:28:20.860 military as well. And on base, we had this sign before we left, left the wire, left post.

00:28:25.100 It was, it always said complacency kills, right? And, and so we were trained to be alert. We

00:28:30.240 were trained to be on, we were trained to be looking out for potential threats. And, and

00:28:34.880 you know, now anymore, it's like, I don't really have to frankly worry about that. It's

00:28:38.940 a, it's a choice that I have to make, but the threat is greatly reduced. And therefore

00:28:43.140 my complacency has certainly risen since it has, when I was in the military, what, 10, almost

00:28:48.720 15 years ago now. Yeah. Yeah. But you think about it, it should, it should be heightened

00:28:54.040 because you don't have all, you know, you don't have all those peeps watching your watch,

00:28:58.820 you know, in, in 360 degree, 33% security or whatever. Right. Right. You're just on your

00:29:06.000 own. That's why I liked it. I think you did a video on Instagram. It must've been, I don't

00:29:10.820 know, a couple of weeks ago and you said something to the effect and I can't remember the exact term

00:29:14.980 you use, but something to the effect of your, your, your, your own agent of personal protection

00:29:19.680 or something along those lines. I, do you remember the term you used?

00:29:23.680 Yeah. Because I do them every Sunday. Uh, I call them Sunday sentinel sermons and I start

00:29:29.040 by saying as the agent in charge of your own executive protection. That's what it is.

00:29:33.360 That's what it is. So yeah, people hit that hashtag, that Sunday sentinel sermon. There's

00:29:39.140 about 40 of them up there and I even lumped those together and put them on YouTube just because

00:29:43.980 some people are YouTubers and some people are Instagrammers. So, uh, yeah, there's about

00:29:48.660 40 of them and they're just excerpts from my, my sentinel book is what they are. Um, but

00:29:54.800 they're just 30 second smack down, you know, slap in the face of saying, Hey, pull your head 0.99

00:30:02.320 out of your ass and consider this, you know, consider if you're out with your kids, not wearing 0.99

00:30:08.820 freaking flip flops because you can't pick them up and run through broken glass for a hundred 1.00

00:30:12.640 yards. Consider where you parked, consider, you know, when going into a busy place, this

00:30:17.640 and that consider, you know, when you're driving, stay in this lane. Consider, you know, just,

00:30:22.340 they're just, uh, just a ton of little 30 second info, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, sentinel, um, blurbs.

00:30:32.540 Sure. Yeah. The one I listened to just recently was, I think you were talking about, uh, the, uh,

00:30:39.500 the intersection and you being able to, you know, not get stuck in a center lane, you making sure

00:30:44.840 that there's plenty of space between you and the car in front of you. So if you need to make quick

00:30:47.980 moves or get out of there, you can, but these are just things that I appreciate because they aren't

00:30:53.120 things that you would think about on a daily basis. Although you probably, especially as a man,

00:30:57.820 probably ought to be aware of these things and, and, and just tee yourself up for a potentially

00:31:04.080 better outcome in a potentially catastrophic situation. Yeah. And I always say we don't,

00:31:10.580 we don't plan to fail, but we fail the plan. And when we do, we get experience and experience is

00:31:14.900 something we get shortly after we need it, you know, and, um, all it takes is you don't have,

00:31:20.740 I'm not talking about a detailed plan, but just, just a rough outline, you know, extremely rough.

00:31:28.020 You know, especially if you're with kitties or your wife or whatever, I mean, you are there,

00:31:33.800 the executive, uh, you're the, uh, uh, you know, the AIC, you're the agent in charge of your own

00:31:38.800 executive protection detail. And those are your principles. So you've got to do those five and

00:31:44.580 25s, stuff like that. You've got to, um, you know, remember where you parked and think about how

00:31:49.800 you park in a certain place. You got to think about avenues of ingress and egress and areas of

00:31:57.020 defilade and just be in the yellow. You don't have to be in the orange, you know, cause that's

00:32:00.620 exhausting. But as soon as you're out and about, you got to be in the yellow. You just have to have

00:32:05.340 your wits about you a little bit. You can't be stuck on your cell phone. Uh, you have to think

00:32:10.720 about, um, you know, exits in the building and make, and it's easy to make kids aware of that stuff

00:32:17.800 too. You know, Hey kids, if we were to have to exit right now, where's the emergency exit?

00:32:24.240 You know, and they're like, Oh, it's right over there. You know? And most people have no idea

00:32:28.980 where the emergency exit is in buildings. They'll get burned in a fire because they're trying to run

00:32:33.340 out the front door rather than going through the fire escape exit. Yeah. Well, I like this because

00:32:40.040 you can turn these things into a game, even with your kids where it's not, you're not being paranoid

00:32:45.080 or, you know, the, the crazy guy, like the over prepper, right? Like, and that's what you're

00:32:50.900 talking about is about being in the yellow versus being in the orange. Like be aware, but you don't

00:32:55.340 need to be crazy about this stuff and you can turn it into a game with your kids so that they're more

00:32:59.080 capable when the time comes. Yeah. And the kiddies love it too. You know, uh, I would say stuff like,

00:33:05.360 um, Hey, if we had to exit right now through that emergency exit, which way would we have to go to

00:33:10.160 get to our car? So now they're thinking they love that stuff. They're like, Oh,

00:33:14.380 when we, if we leave, we have to turn left. Right. Or let's say, uh, you know, Walmart,

00:33:21.520 I would make, uh, like in route rally points for them along the way. You know, Hey, if we get

00:33:26.640 separated, we're meeting here. We get to another place. If we get separated, we're meeting here.

00:33:30.320 You see this big thing. This is where we're meeting. If we get separated, you know, that stuff.

00:33:34.800 If we get separated, you don't find me, you know where the car is, right? Get to the car.

00:33:38.480 Uh, that kind of stuff, but just, just a small plan and, and, and the kids love it. They, they,

00:33:45.220 they eat that stuff up because it's, it's a game to them.

00:33:49.560 Gents, let me hit the time out the pause button. If we can, uh, we had such a huge success with the

00:33:55.680 inaugural order of man main event that we decided to get you the dates for the next one as soon as

00:34:02.800 we possibly could. So I know this is a ways out, but I got to let you know right now, it's going to

00:34:07.620 be held in Maine on May 29th through 31st, 2020, May 29th through the 31st, 2020. Again, I know

00:34:16.300 that's a ways out, but I wanted to give you plenty of notice so you can secure your spot to an event

00:34:20.340 that quite literally has the ability to transform the way you look at your life as a man and the way

00:34:26.160 you show up in it as well. Uh, the institutions that we once used to band with other men are dwindling

00:34:32.600 they're being dismantled. And that's why it's critical that you find new and improved ways of

00:34:37.620 banding with other men who are on the same path as you. We had such a huge success, uh, a couple of

00:34:43.900 weeks ago with our first main event. In fact, I made this one available to order of men, uh, main event

00:34:50.240 alumni and the iron council members. And I believe we're about 40% sold out already. There's only 75

00:34:56.840 spots. So that means that we're creeping up on 35 to 40 spots left in this thing. And again,

00:35:04.640 I know it's a ways out. I wanted to give you plenty of time to prepare again. Uh, the event is May 29th

00:35:11.260 through the 31st, 2020. And when you joined with us, you're going to get two and a half days of

00:35:17.140 brotherhood and camaraderie and challenge clarity and instruction for improving your life. So check it

00:35:25.340 out, head to order of man.com slash main event. Do it very, very quickly. Although it's what nine

00:35:31.480 months away, do it quickly because this thing's going to sell out and you're not going to hear

00:35:35.260 me talk about it a whole lot, uh, because we already have those spots filled again, order of

00:35:39.940 man.com slash main event. Come out to my property, enjoy the camaraderie, get your head, right? Your

00:35:44.820 mind, right? Your body, right? And we'll get you on track and pointed in the right direction. And then

00:35:49.100 give you some accountability partners along the way. Again, order of man.com slash main event. Hope to see

00:35:54.360 you there. Do that after the show guys. Uh, for now we'll get back to my conversation with the one

00:35:58.900 and only Pat McNamara. Yeah. Yeah. One of the things you said is do your fives and 25s. Do you

00:36:05.620 mind explaining what that is? So I tell people like I use Walmart parking lot as an example,

00:36:12.580 what I call the epicenter for disaster planning. Sure. And, um, so I apologize about the cough. I'm just

00:36:20.420 getting over a virus. Yeah, no worries. No worries. You got to recover. Yeah.

00:36:24.300 I mean, um, so, you know, when you back into your spot, just take a quick peek around. So,

00:36:30.320 you know, GIs know what five and 25 is. Um, it, it just, it's just a quick scan. You're

00:36:36.900 scanning five yards and then 25 yards. And in a parking lot like that, before you get out

00:36:42.900 of your car, you just make that scan, which includes your mirrors, your rear and side view

00:36:47.560 mirrors at five and then 25 and just kind of glance into other people's windshields. You'd be

00:36:53.720 surprised at how many times you see somebody looking back at you and 99% of the time it's

00:36:59.400 benign. Sure. It's an old lady or husband to pick up her prescription meds. But in the 0.94

00:37:04.760 event you locked eyes with, you know, would be scumbag, you have relinquished him of his 0.98

00:37:09.640 ability to attack because you've taken the element of surprise from it. Cause a scumbag 1.00

00:37:14.820 or a predator human is like a predator in the wild. They need to take easy prey. 1.00

00:37:20.200 Right. And no matter how weak, frail you are or petite, if you lock eyes with a would-be

00:37:28.320 predator, you've taken element of surprise from that, that person you've taken. They

00:37:34.400 no longer have that. Um, plus it's just really good peace of mind for me. It's

00:37:39.480 habitual. It's just a way of life. I do it everywhere I go. And you know, yes, 99% of the

00:37:45.200 time it is absolutely benign, but that 1% or that 0.01%, whatever it is. Um, like I

00:37:56.180 said, we don't fail to plan, but we, but we, we don't plan to fail, but we fail to plan.

00:38:00.320 Yeah. Yeah. Well, you talk about it being habitual and the point that, that I would make sure guys

00:38:06.880 understand is that this isn't going to take you a bunch of extra time, right? Doing fives

00:38:10.720 and 25s isn't going to take you, it's not going to take you 10 minutes. It's going to take you 10

00:38:15.260 seconds to scan and make sure your surroundings are secure. Yep. And if that, you know, it could

00:38:22.000 be five seconds. Right. And before I open the door for my wife or, uh, you know, whenever I have my 0.99

00:38:27.980 kiddies, I'm going to do that scan real quick. And I, and I used to tell them when they were little

00:38:32.360 too, before we get out of the car, I would say heads on a swivel. Yes. And it's good seeing them

00:38:39.060 just look around, you know, instead of following me, like there are a bunch of sheep in the herd,

00:38:43.700 having them look around, or I would tell them, um, especially when they were little, you know,

00:38:49.140 they're teenagers now, so they don't listen to me, but, but, um, when they were little, um,

00:38:53.980 I would put one of them on point. All right. James, you have point today, lead us to this spot,

00:39:00.600 whatever it is. And, uh, because it gives them, you know, it empowers them not to be, uh, so they're

00:39:07.660 no longer just sheep in the herd, you know, they've got, uh, a sense of duty and, uh, it's,

00:39:14.080 it's, it's fun for them, you know? Yeah. Cause I've got point, I'm on security, you know,

00:39:19.300 Claire, you're your security, James, you're on point. Lead me to this spot.

00:39:24.600 Yeah. I like that. I, you know, I remember an experience. It must've been two or three years ago,

00:39:29.040 my oldest son. So he must've been eight or nine years old. It was him and I

00:39:32.320 walking down the Las Vegas Boulevard. And it must've been, uh, maybe a lower traffic place

00:39:39.060 or later in the evening. And he looked out in front of him and he saw this guy who either had

00:39:45.820 some serious mental issues or was high as a kite. And he's like, dad, let's go this way. And he

00:39:50.980 wanted to go a different way. And so I said, that's a great idea. Let's go that way.

00:39:54.600 But what was interesting is afterwards, he said, he's like, ah, dad, I didn't know if we should go

00:39:58.360 that way. I kind of felt bad. I didn't, I didn't know what I should do. I said, you handled it

00:40:01.700 exactly right. Like you saw the threat. You made a course correction that didn't impact or affect us.

00:40:06.840 And you kept us safe. That was exactly the right decision. He felt good about that.

00:40:11.000 But I think, I think what a lot of people do, maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong.

00:40:16.400 If, have you ran into many people who are afraid to act on either intuition or a perceived threat?

00:40:25.000 Is there people that, I'm sure that happens quite a bit, right?

00:40:29.460 Yeah. Well, when you, when you, when you, uh, uh, came up with that anecdote with your kid,

00:40:36.220 the first thing that came to mind was good for him, intuition, right? You know, and,

00:40:40.620 and we have to act on intuition. It's a gift we were born with. It's primal. It's a very primal

00:40:45.340 gift we were born with. And we human beings tend to relinquish a lot of our primal defense

00:40:51.320 mechanisms. You know, an intuition is one of them. Do we do that out of what civility or what?

00:40:57.400 Like, why do we relinquish that? A lot of it, a lot of it is out of civility. Um, for instance,

00:41:04.180 a good example, let's say you're at the ATM, you're looking in a reflection and you see somebody

00:41:09.880 directly behind you. Are they there to harm you? Probably not. Right. But they're right freaking

00:41:16.960 behind you. You know, if you look back and you say, excuse me or whatever, that can be presumptuous,

00:41:26.360 right? Nowadays, it could be, it could be racist. It could be sexist. It could be whatever it is,

00:41:30.880 you know? So people are afraid to act on, on that because of PC or whatever it is. You can still do

00:41:39.040 the same thing by maybe turning back and saying, man, I hope they have money in this thing or,

00:41:45.400 or, um, boy, these things take a long time, but you know, you still look back and you've,

00:41:51.860 and you've done a quick scan of this person and you have, um, determined whether or not they are a

00:41:57.740 threat. And once again, you have relinquished them of any, uh, threat because you've already

00:42:02.680 turned and addressed them. Right. But it could be, you know, it could be completely, uh, friendly and

00:42:09.000 not aggressive. That's a great example. I know for me, even I get uncomfortable if I'm at the,

00:42:15.960 the grocery store or the convenience store and somebody's right behind me in line. And I just,

00:42:21.100 I turn sideways. I'm like, I'm not going to have you at my back. I'm going to be sideways between

00:42:25.340 the cashier, myself and you, because I want to see what you're up to. Even if you have

00:42:30.000 no negative or bad intentions, I, I got to know that I'm okay here.

00:42:34.660 Yeah. Because there, there are too many dopey people now, you know, we've, uh, we've relinquished

00:42:39.820 our, uh, defense mechanisms, our intuition where we're, uh, living in 45 degree syndrome.

00:42:47.340 But, but the thing is, if that's a way of life, you know, if it's habitual that, that mere chance

00:42:54.260 that somebody is there with bad intentions, you are going to dissuade them from, you know,

00:43:01.840 their initial plan of attack just by, just by doing that. You don't have to be a dickhead 0.98

00:43:06.520 about it either. You know, it could be just like blading it off. Like you said, um, it 0.98

00:43:11.180 can be completely human and, and it shouldn't be taken and it wouldn't, it won't be taken

00:43:16.760 the wrong way. If your body mechanics, body behavior tells them that you don't see them

00:43:22.820 as a threat, you know, you're not, you're not looking at them and giving them a scan

00:43:28.140 up and down. Like you're a freaking ninja, you know, right. But you're just telling that 0.97

00:43:35.500 person, Hey, I'm alert. I'm aware. I've got more wits about me. Don't fuck with me.

00:43:40.860 Yeah. Well, I think that's the ultimate point is that it seems to me that anybody who's going 1.00

00:43:45.460 to do anyone harm is, is naturally inevitably like to your point earlier, going to look for

00:43:49.580 the weakest link, uh, the weakest target. And if you're not that person, then I think

00:43:54.960 just by default, you, you eliminate a lot of these potential threats because somebody

00:44:01.780 is just going to move on. I'm not saying you're, you're not, you're not at risk ever. I'm just

00:44:05.820 saying you probably eliminate a lot of these potential things and, and these guys just move

00:44:10.660 on to somebody else. Right. Bingo. Yeah. One of the things that you had said too, is that you are

00:44:18.260 trying to make your, your wife more capable, enable her to be, like you said, the agent in

00:44:24.760 charge of your own personal, uh, executive protection. What are some things that you've

00:44:28.700 taught her that you've taught your kids, uh, so that they are capable of doing these things

00:44:34.360 on their own when you're not around? Cause you can't be there 24 seven. Well, I am fortunate

00:44:40.320 that my wife has buy-in to my, to my way of life. We're, we're, we're best of friends. Um,

00:44:47.140 you know, it hasn't always been that way. I was, I was married before and it was, it was

00:44:51.580 always an uphill battle, you know, where, you know, you're paranoid or, um, just enjoy life.

00:44:59.260 Don't, you know, not everybody's out to get you in a bit. And I'm not like that. I'm not paranoid.

00:45:05.360 I'm just, I'm just switched on. You're just prepared. I heard the distinction between paranoia

00:45:09.820 and preparation, right? Right. So my wife, uh, has, I have, you know, buy-in with her. So

00:45:18.540 she is into it. I don't ask her to do stuff. She's come to four of my courses, my, my shooting

00:45:23.880 courses. She, uh, she shoots on her own and she's good. Cause just because you have a gun doesn't 0.96

00:45:28.940 in your arm. Yeah. Yeah. Great point. It's just a hunk of metal, right? Yeah, man. It's,

00:45:33.480 it's, it's, you sometimes you're more of a liability than you are an asset. Yeah. Um,

00:45:39.440 and then she, um, she's also, you know, she, she follows that sentinel mask way of life, 0.99

00:45:46.660 you know, where she switched on. She's aware of her surroundings with whom she's standing next

00:45:52.900 to, you know, uh, she's, uh, been taking fight training for a long time. And, uh, yeah, she,

00:46:02.820 uh, she's ready to defend herself and me if, if necessary.

00:46:09.440 What would you say to someone who, uh, a man listening to this, who subscribes to everything

00:46:16.520 you're teaching and talking about and wants to make themselves a better sentinel, but they're

00:46:22.580 having a hard time getting their partner, their spouse on board with this. Are there some things

00:46:27.380 that you've shared with these guys that will help prepare a wife or, or a partner a little bit

00:46:33.160 better? Uh, maybe somebody that's hesitant or resistant. I even know guys who have wives who

00:46:37.720 they're, they're so scared or freaked out by guns, for example, that they refuse to do anything with

00:46:43.200 them or violence that they refuse to take any sort of martial arts class. Cause it's quote unquote

00:46:47.200 violent. Is there some things that you would teach or educate or help to get, get some of

00:46:53.820 these wives on board as well? 1.00

00:46:56.180 Uh, that's, that's real tough because I lived that way for a long time and it's a, that's

00:47:02.760 a tough one. Um, I would say to the guys who aren't married yet, choose wisely.

00:47:09.060 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great point.

00:47:11.540 But, um, so you don't run into that because I had to do all that stuff on my own, you know,

00:47:16.140 as far as like, um, you know, just having my house in the right condition and, um, prepping

00:47:27.680 for like a natural disaster or, uh, training on my own. Um, I had, I have simple rules like

00:47:35.360 for instance, cars in the driveway are never below three quarters of a tank because people

00:47:40.140 are killing each other for a gallon of gas when the power goes out.

00:47:42.920 Quickly too. I mean, that doesn't have, power doesn't have to be out for very long before

00:47:46.240 people to go nuts.

00:47:47.320 Yep. Yep. So, you know, simple rules like that. Um, when I was married before, she couldn't 1.00

00:47:55.440 abide by it. That was simple things. Just simple. A cash in the house, um, this much food,

00:48:01.280 this much water, uh, this box is for this. Don't, you know, you don't have to tamper with

00:48:07.320 this cause it's our, it's our go box. Um, so I had to kind of do it on my own and just

00:48:12.840 realize that, well, this is, this is not an asset. It's a liability and I have to freaking,

00:48:22.020 I have to suck it up, man. I gotta, I gotta embrace the suck and deal with it. Unless of course 0.99

00:48:28.020 something freaking horrible happens because unfortunately that's human. You know, they're

00:48:33.480 waiting for something horrible to happen before they start thinking, you know what? I should

00:48:38.400 be more prepared. And man, that's, that's one of the, that's what I'm trying to, trying

00:48:44.300 to get rid of that mindset, uh, with those Sunday central servants because they resonate 0.96

00:48:49.620 with people and they're not impossible to do. They're just little things, you know,

00:48:55.300 they're, they're incremental, they're incremental improvements on daily way of life.

00:49:00.320 Yeah. I think this is kind of like that, uh, that story of what is it? Chicken little

00:49:04.760 where, you know, she, she does all the work and everybody's like, no, no, no, nothing

00:49:08.640 will fall. Nothing or this guy's not falling or nothing's bad is going to happen. And then

00:49:12.020 all of a sudden things go south and, uh, you know, like she's the only one that's prepared.

00:49:16.680 Right. And I think that's probably, I imagine you get that a lot where, uh, you are looked

00:49:24.500 at as kind of the weirdo, right? Or, or the, the paranoid. And so people have these judgments

00:49:30.860 about you until, until something goes wrong and they're like, Oh, call Pat. He's got this

00:49:35.480 handled. Yeah. So I, I'd rather have assets out there than liabilities. You know, I believe

00:49:42.440 that I truly believe that most people are good people and most people want to be better

00:49:48.280 people and it's not hard to make, to make them a better people. So I put a lot of free

00:49:54.500 information out there on how to just make incremental improvements in your life. I have a saying,

00:49:59.080 um, I say, if you cloned yourself yesterday, can you kick your clones ass tomorrow? You know, 1.00

00:50:04.800 so it's just simple improvements in self and being and lifestyle, just little teeny improvements.

00:50:12.560 That's all it takes. It doesn't, it doesn't require a lot. You don't need a whiteboard or a,

00:50:16.560 or a stupid resolution or anything like that. Just start changing today. 1.00

00:50:21.480 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, man. Well, uh, let me ask you a couple of additional questions,

00:50:26.500 Pat, as we wind down. Uh, the first question that I prepped you for a little bit is what does

00:50:30.800 it mean to be a man? Bro, that is a hard, that's all. I'm just going to throw a couple words. One is

00:50:38.380 a man has got to be selfless. Um, I think too many men and I'm doing air quotes are selfish.

00:50:49.360 They're self, they're selfish. And, uh, you know, as a man, you have to be selfless. You have to be the

00:50:55.380 provider. You have to, you have to be the sentinel. You have to be the one who, who works hard and

00:51:02.520 doesn't bitch about it at the end of the day. You know, um, you have to have time for, uh, those 0.96

00:51:10.240 kitties, your loved ones, your wife. Um, you have to have a level of humility too. Um, and, um,

00:51:19.180 I mean, damn man, that, that's a really good question. I mean, that, that's just, just a 0.99

00:51:27.360 partial, partial answer. Another one that I always tell guys is you've got to be able to hook up your

00:51:32.420 wife, man. I mean, satisfy her in every way possible. Um, I hate stereotypical freaking crap. 1.00

00:51:40.560 I hear about dudes, you know, um, I like to, uh, my, my wife is my queen, but she's always my bride. 0.99

00:51:47.620 And, um, I'm going to keep her satisfied. If you know what I mean?

00:51:52.660 Yes. Yes. In more ways than one, hopefully. Right.

00:51:56.700 Damn straight. That's, that's exactly what I'm talking about. 0.91

00:51:59.560 Yes. Right on Pat. I appreciate it, man. Those, that that's definitely, uh, something that we

00:52:04.920 ascribe to as well. Well, I'm glad we had this conversation. Like I said, it's been powerful.

00:52:09.200 The guys are going to get a lot of value from it. And of course, we're going to send them your

00:52:12.080 way because there is so much more. There are all kinds of little nuances and things they need to be

00:52:17.240 aware of. I'm excited to get them over to you. How do we connect with you? Where should, uh,

00:52:20.680 where should the guys go to connect with you and learn more?

00:52:23.600 You know, um, my main platform is T max Inc. So that's my website. That's my Instagram. Um,

00:52:33.300 and that's T max Inc. T M A C S I N C. Then I've got a YouTube channel, Pat Mac YouTube channel. Um, 0.97

00:52:41.240 and then I've got, I've got my own podcast, the university of bad-assery. I co-host it.

00:52:46.940 Great, great lessons on there. Uh, the host is very cool. Um, he, uh, he's got a great gift

00:52:54.220 oratory and, um, we, we have a lot of fun with that as well. But, uh, those are, those are my

00:53:00.480 main platforms right there. Right on. We'll, uh, we'll get it all synced up. So the guys know where

00:53:04.540 to go again, Pat, appreciate you, man. Thanks for taking some of your time. It's, I know it's valuable

00:53:08.820 and, and sharing and imparting some of your wisdom with us today. Appreciate it.

00:53:12.180 Thanks a lot, Ryan. Appreciate you, bro.

00:53:15.480 Gentlemen, there you go. My conversation with Pat McNamara. I hope that you enjoyed that one.

00:53:19.940 I do know the audio was a little rough. I asked you to forgive me a little bit, uh, ahead of time,

00:53:24.700 but I think if you stuck with me and Pat, uh, you really got a lot of value and you saw the value

00:53:29.760 and what it is that he is doing, why it's so important that we make ourselves the sentinel.

00:53:34.860 I believe he says making yourself or, or, uh, acting as the agent in charge of your own

00:53:41.940 executive security detail, which I kind of like that, uh, that term might be using that

00:53:47.300 a little bit more. I'll make sure you connect with me and Pat on Instagram. Both of those

00:53:51.140 are very, very active on Instagram, other places as well, but namely Instagram, uh, just

00:53:56.400 connect with us over there. Let us know what you thought about the show, uh, share the show

00:53:59.680 on Instagram. That's a great way to do it. Just share it in your stories. Uh, I'm at Ryan

00:54:03.940 Mickler M I C H L E R is my last name and you can connect with us there. And again, let us

00:54:11.660 know what you thought about the show and share it and put it out in the world and everything

00:54:15.560 else. Anyways, guys, I want to let you know, as we part today, that I appreciate you being

00:54:19.140 on this path and this journey. I realized that I could not do it without you. Uh, that

00:54:23.100 does not go unnoticed or unappreciated, uh, from me. So with that said, we'll let you get

00:54:29.320 to your day. We'll be back tomorrow for an ask me anything. And in fact, I think tomorrow's episode

00:54:35.140 is going to be live, uh, from the origin immersion camp in Maine. Kip is here as well. So we'll be

00:54:43.060 doing that together and we're going to be doing a lot more video too. So if you're not connected

00:54:46.980 with us or subscribed on YouTube, make sure you do that at order of man. All right, guys, get out

00:54:51.720 there, uh, make yourself a sentinel, become the man you are meant to be. Thank you for

00:54:56.760 listening to the order of man podcast. You're ready to take charge of your life and be more

00:55:01.440 of the man you were meant to be. We invite you to join the order at order of man.com.

Order of Man - August 27, 2019

PAT MCNAMARA ｜ Make Yourself a Sentinel

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