PATRICK RENNA ｜ The Unwritten Rules to Baseball and Life
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Actor, producer, and author Patrick Renna joins host Ryan on the show to talk about the importance of being a man of action, pivoting in life when life knocks you down, and how to get back up one more time.
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It's likely that all of you know my guest today, but may not immediately recognize his name.
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He is Patrick Renna, but you may know him from his most well-known movie role, Hamilton Porter from The Sandlot.
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But Patrick is so much more than the young kid we saw on the movie screen over 30 years ago.
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Today, Patrick and I talk about the struggles people we put on pedestals face, pivoting in life, but doing it in something that you're passionate about.
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How Hollywood has changed and how it will continue to do so.
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Striking the balance between giving your kids opportunities, but also letting them struggle and what we can learn both on and off the baseball diamond.
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.
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When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.
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You are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.
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This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day.
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And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.
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Gentlemen, welcome to the Order of Man podcast. I am Ryan Michler. I'm your host.
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I'm also the founder of this movement coming up in March.
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So the next, what, two or three weeks, we will be hitting our 10-year anniversary.
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I cannot believe that it's been 10 years that I've been doing this, and it would not be possible without you, without my guests, without, frankly, the current culture that we live in.
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So thank you for tuning in, whether this is your first episode or 1500th episode at this point.
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All right, guys, let me introduce you to my guest. He is an actor, producer, and now author, Patrick Renna.
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Again, you may know him from his most well-known and well-recognized roles as Hamilton Porter from The Sandlot,
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but he's also appeared in dozens and dozens of movies and TV shows in his very, very successful acting career.
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Side note, Son-in-Law happens to be one of me and my kids' favorite movies.
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He's a great character in that show, too. If you haven't seen that, that's a good one for the kids as well.
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But at the height of his stardom, Renna took a step back to reevaluate his priorities, start and raise a family,
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and over the past several years has come back to Hollywood in more of a production and producer role.
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He's an incredible family man. He's also expecting a daughter soon, he mentioned on the podcast,
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and part of the reason he decided to write his newest kid's book, The Unwritten Rules of Baseball and Life,
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was to help teach his children the lessons he's learned on the screen, on the field, and off.
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Yeah, I was telling, Julia, before you jumped on the call, you just recorded a podcast with a good friend of mine, Larry Hagner, the Dad Edge.
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Yeah, so he's a good guy. We've been friends for a long time. In fact, I messaged him today. I'm like,
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hey, I'm going to be talking with Patrick. If you haven't talked with him, I'd love to make a connection.
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He's like, oh, I interviewed him last week. So it sounds like we're running in similar circles anyways.
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Yeah, you know, I think the biggest thing, maybe more than anything else, that I'm curious about,
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is how you feel your children's lives as kids will be different than yours,
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because you had a very, very unique childhood relative to a lot of other people.
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Yeah, I mean, I think the jury's still out. You know, who knows? Maybe some of them will want to be actors, you know?
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They definitely ham it up. So that, you know, it wouldn't surprise me. But the cool thing is,
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I didn't actually start acting until I was 13. So I had a pretty normal from zero to 13, you know?
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I grew up in Boston, played Little League. And then I moved out to LA. And that's where, you know,
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my first, basically my first job was Sandlot. I had done a little thing for Salute Your Shorts at Nickelodeon.
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I do. So I, but I, my first audition was Salute Your Shorts, second was Sandlot. So I was two for two.
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Um, and I, you know, again, I just started at 13. So it wasn't, um, my childhood was fairly normal
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and my teens and, and late teens and early twenties, that, that was obviously different,
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I suppose, than most people would experience. I was, my college, my high school was filming movies
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and different countries and, um, traveling, you know, I started going on my own at 16.
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Um, so we'll see on that. I, you know, people ask what I ever want my kids to get into the business.
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And I, I kind of say not, not earlier than I did. I don't think, um, because I think you need to
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experience like a normal childhood and get friends and know who your friends are and have that base
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and, um, have those experiences, which have helped me a lot in just knowing who I am and knowing who
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other people are and, um, and kind of wading through this crazy industry, you know?
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Yeah. It seems like it'd be pretty surreal and easy, maybe even to put yourself on a pedestal when,
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you know, you hit this, this stardom, I guess, at such an early age where it would be,
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it would be weird for an adult, you know, every once in a while might be at the airport and somebody
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listens to the podcast and I bump into somebody, but that's very rare, but to be 13 and to go to
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the mall or go out to dinner. And I'm sure you were just bombarded at that time. I'm not sure
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an adult could handle that well, let alone a child. Yeah. I, yeah, definitely. I remember when
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Sandlot, the previews started coming out. I was at the library the first time I got recognized and
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it wasn't, the movie hadn't even come out. So obviously I also have a unique look different
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than most people, I suppose. And so, uh, people know will spot me more and, you know, it's, it's
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definitely just been a part of my life. I'm kind of used to it now. So honestly, it's odd when it
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doesn't happen when I go to London and nobody, you know, or Paris, you know, cause obviously it's
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like, what the heck? Why is nobody recognizing me? It's a pretty American movie. It's funny though.
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I went to the Caribbean islands and, uh, I had, I, it wasn't as crazy as it was in America,
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but people love the big green there. So I had no idea. And I'm wondering how, how it is
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in Japan, you know, let's see. Cause they have such a big baseball fan fan base. I'm curious
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what it would be like there. I'm sure I'm not Kobe Bryant, but Hey, maybe, maybe there'd be
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some free London. Yeah. I was going to say soccer is not so much relevant in North America as it is
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other places. That makes sense. But baseball, sure. You've got to lock on that. Yeah. That's
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really interesting. Um, I guess, like I said, I'm, it's just, I'm kind of used to it and I've
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sort of embraced it as opposed to push away from it. So it doesn't, you know, and like 99% of people
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are nice. So it's, it's always an icebreaker and a door opener and, you know, I think that's a good
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way to look at it. I've seen, you know, tabloids and things like that of, of celebrities and
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musicians and athletes who, uh, really rail against it a little bit and they come across
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as jerks, you know? And it's like, you know, these people for the most part, I imagine are
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there to support you. They, they like you, they they're acknowledging you. They feel like they're
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part of your life, which has got to be weird too, because you don't know these people, but they
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think they know you. Totally. Yeah. I mean, although I feel like I know them, you know,
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and it, when we meet, they talk about, you know, I saw, you know, I'll get like, you've
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been in our living room for 30 years and then, you know, it's a, it's, um, it's humbling and
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it's really cool to have been part of something like that. And, you know, you, you chat for five
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minutes and you kind of know all about them and you're just in their world. And, uh, yeah. So,
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but again, you know, I'm kind of used to it. So, um, I, I, I look at it as a blessing though.
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You moved to Hollywood when you were 13, you said you went two for two on additions.
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Uh, did you make that move specifically to get into acting? And if so, why was that compelling for
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you? I don't think that I met, well, you know, it's not like I left Boston going, I'm going to
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nail it and, you know, be an actor. I, I did school plays and wanted to act. So yes, part of me did go
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out. My mom moved out to LA. She had a job opportunity. My parents split. And so obviously
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I went with mom and, um, as most do, you know, I mean, my dad's been a big part of my life and
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they're still very close to this day, but, uh, so I, I went out. I don't think I intended to sort
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of do that. My first agent, the amazing Judy Savage, she was the queen of young acting, young
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actors being the agent of young actors. And she said, don't be surprised if you don't work for two
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years. And so my beginning was unusual for sure. I didn't taste, you know, defeat or, uh, the, the
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rejection of Hollywood until my teens and late teens. Then I started to go, Oh, it's not,
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it's not all, you know, you don't get everything you want now. Um, and that, that sort of run,
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you know, from 16 to early twenties was an interesting one. It, you know, again, it was
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a lot of, uh, ups and downs in those times. And had I not had the base and the foundation,
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the friendships and the family, I don't think I would have done, I wouldn't have made it out
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the way that I feel I have now, you know, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but
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based on what I'm hearing you say from the time that you were born up till the age of 13
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is really where if I'm, if I'm hearing you correctly, you wrapped up some of your identity
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and that more so than the jobs and the movies and the TV shows. Cause, cause I imagine, especially
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with your early success to not have success, maybe a little bit later, several years down
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the road, if you wrap up your entire identity in that, I think it would really do a number
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on your self-worth and, and just your mental wellbeing.
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Yeah. Yeah. You're saying like my, I, I guess the, sorry, I'm going to raise my chair a little.
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Um, how's that out? I feel so low. Um, I think, I, I think I would, I would say, yeah, the,
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the important, and that's why I don't want my kids to do it too soon is I don't, you don't want,
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you want to realize that this is outside of the normal, what you're experiencing. This is not normal.
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This is not what everyone experiences. So I want them to experience normal and, and see what sports
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is like and making friends and not being handed things, you know, on a silver platter, because to
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some degree you are, you know, like you're on set and catering comes out at, you know, after lunch
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and has grilled cheese sandwiches and tomato soup. And they're just walking around in a tray. And
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you're like, this is, you know, you're 13 and you're, you know, running the, running the show.
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And, you know, you're, you're the stars in the movie. And, you know, I mean, I think Sam Lott also
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did a good, good job though. David, Nicky Evans takes, gets a lot of credit. He was sort of our big
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brother and he kept this in our place for sure. Like he didn't let us be a little punks, you know?
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Uh, and if we were they, you know, Bill Elvin, the first AD, he is a very famous first AD. I remember
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him pulling me on the other side of the, um, the tree house. Cause I was being just a little
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punk that day. And he's, he gave, he gave me the riot act and I'm glad he did, you know,
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then I was like, Oh, what the heck? But you know, I never, I never stepped out of line after that.
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So that, that was good too. But I guess my point is I want my kids to learn respect and
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learn important family values and, and learn, um, how to make friends without having been in a movie.
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And then they can do that stuff. And, you know, uh, cause there's no other time you're going to have
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that innocence in that childhood. And I would hate to take that away from them. I don't feel like my
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childhood was taken away from me. I feel like I had a cool childhood and then I had a really good
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college. It's just a different one, you know? Did you ever run into any issues where you grew,
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I don't think resentful necessarily, but skeptical of, of friends, you know, when, when you're in the
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public spotlight, like you were, um, I imagine a lot of, uh, people that have extreme levels of
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wealth probably experienced this as well, where it's hard to determine if these are true friends
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or if they're just attached to me because of my notoriety or my accolades or my wealth or whatever
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else it might be. That will, that's what I mean. So my two best friends growing up, um, I'm still
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best friends with today. I just started a production company and one of them is my partner in it. Uh,
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and we were friends from a very early age, you know? Um, and I still have friends, a lot of those
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friends since then. So I, I had already built relationships and I haven't lost them. Uh,
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sure. Friendships I made on movie sets fleeting. I couldn't tell you, um,
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some of them though. I guess one of my, the, one of my best friends was a movie set, but it was
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different. It was, uh, you know, it wasn't, we both were actors and then we formed that friendship,
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but most of those friendships are fleeting, you know? And it's not because there aren't good people,
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but you just, you don't, you're, you're there for two months doing something and then you go back to
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your lives and you know, it's not very, you don't stay in touch very often. Um, so I, yeah, I think
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I didn't have those experiences. Of course there were people that there have been people in my life that
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I've felt were toxic to me or, you know, and I'm sure I was to them. We just didn't mix. And, uh,
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and yeah, of course I've always, there's always been those things, but I had a strong family
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background and, you know, and strong friends and my wife and I, you know, I kind of stopped acting in
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my early twenties. So, and that's when I met my wife. I wasn't, I wasn't acting. Um, I was, I've always
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acted. I shouldn't say I wasn't acting, but it wasn't my priority. And so I, you know, I have
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this beautiful relationship with someone that has supported me as doing regular things and supported
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me in my career. And, you know, then we had a family and, um, did those things together. So
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that's an important base, you know? When, uh, when do you watch your, your movies with your kids or have
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you? And, and what is, what is that like? Is it like dad's a dork, like all of our kids do,
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or they think it's cool? Like what, what's their take on, on the movies they've seen of you, uh,
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playing in? They haven't watched the, the Sandlot that much. I showed my oldest, I showed them both
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actually, but I think it's a little strange for them because they sort of know it's mean, but I don't
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quite look the same, but I sort of do. So, uh, right. You know, they're probably a little young
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for Sandlot. My youngest is four. My oldest is seven. I feel like eight, nine, 10 is kind of
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right there, but Sandlot to me, isn't Sandlot the way it is for you or like the Goonies is,
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is my Sandlot, you know? And I showed my kid, my oldest Goonies and that was fun, you know?
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And when Sloth came on and, you know, obviously that scare you, you know, and like slick shoes and
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everything like, you know, chunk and data and mouth. And so that was like, that was, I knew in
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that, that moment, the experience that other fathers and mothers have when they showed their
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kid, Sam, I finally realized what it's like because I was watching him more than I was watching the
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movie, just seeing if he loved it, you know? Yeah. That is fun to be able to share some of your like
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most nostalgic moments. And Sandlot for me, you know, I'm 43 years old. Sandlot for me was
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an instrumental movie in my life, you know? And obviously it has so much cultural relevance. And
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then the other movie that really stands out is Son-in-Law, you know, that's Son-in-Law is one of
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my, mine and my kid's favorite movies. We watched that movie together all the time. And my daughter
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has a huge crush on Pauly Shore for whatever reason. She just thinks the world of Pauly Shore.
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Well, he's a sweetheart to this day. I've seen him a few times over the last year because
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I did, he's, uh, he did a documentary or is doing one. So he asked me to do a little thing
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on it and then I saw him for something else too, but he's a, he's a sweetheart. He was
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like a big brother in me on that set, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I did his podcast. I did
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his podcast. Okay. Yeah. The dynamic between you two and that, in that movie was spot on.
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It was so good. And my kids really enjoy that. So it's cool to be able to have this conversation.
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Yeah. I mean, he's Hollywood royalty, you know, and his mom and just on the comedy scene. And,
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um, he, he's still a really good dude and he, you know, he's, yeah, he's cool.
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So you've got a new book out and I'm curious why you decided to write the book. You know,
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I think about a lot of the things that I do within my business and I have the luxury of being able to
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dictate a lot of the things that I do and the conversations I have. And the people that I love
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are always on the forefront of my mind as I do these things. Is that why you decided to write
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the book for your kids? Or did you have a different thought behind that or what?
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I think, so I, I'd be lying if I said it was my idea. Penguin Random House called me and said,
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will you write a kid's book? And at first I was like, huh? Right. Cause you know, I'm the kind of guy
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that like, I've been running a production company, um, for the past four or five years. And then I'm
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just, we're, you know, I'm basically, I partnered with an old friend of mine. Uh, she's the COO of a
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pretty big marketing company, studio three marketing. So I, I have a production company that does all of
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the media for them and I've been doing it for about five years. And now I just started Hambino Media
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to do more traditional stuff. And, um, that's where I brought my buddy Kyle Howard on, uh, to
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partner with me on that. But, uh, I, I'm always the kind of guy that's like, I'm an actor. I'm not
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going to claim I'm a director. I'm not going to say I'm a producer. Now, after five years of producing,
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I'll finally say, okay, I'm a producer. So when I heard writer, I was like, no, no, no, no. That's
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for the writers. That's what they do. They're good at that. I'm not a writer. Um, but then I thought
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about it and I, you know, with kids books, like I, I read kid books to my kids, my wife and I do
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every night. Um, so then I was like, wait, I mean, I can, I think I can do a kid's book. Like
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it's a lot less words, you know? Uh, and I, the fact that I have two boys excited me to do it. Matt
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was a big push behind it. Um, and then the process of writing it, I, I worked a lot with Nick
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Magliato, who's the senior editor at Penguin and just kind of like tossing around ideas and figuring
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it out. And obviously it needed to be baseball. It was, that was kind of a no brainer. Um, and then
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the 20 rules, uh, baseball in life just sort of almost started writing itself because when I started
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looking at life and sports, they mirror each other, you know, it's life is a game. It's, you know,
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got these obstacles, you got to overcome them and you win or you lose and you learn from it,
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you get better. And so, uh, the process was actually really cool and to see it come to life
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and then to Tommy Parker, the illustrator on it to, you know, kind of see him bring it to life
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through, uh, you know, picture form was really special as well. I think one of the things I like
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about the book is anytime I see a children's book, it seems anymore. AI just wrote everything
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and it's very surface level. It doesn't, it doesn't interest me. It's very weak. It has no
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depth. And then as I was reading through the book and of course I've read it to my two youngest kids
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at this point, um, there's a lot of depth behind it in the 20 rules, you know, like some of the rules
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that stood out to me is don't underestimate a game of catch. And, uh, what was the other one?
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Um, finding a glove that fits, you know, and I, and I saw these lessons. I'm like, dang,
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these are lessons that I need to incorporate in my own life, let alone my kids needing to incorporate
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these things. I, I even, I, someone just, I was just doing a little publicity for it this morning
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and they asked me to read one of them. And I, I, it was a TV show, so I didn't have a lot of time.
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So I was like, all right, I'll do number 20. And I read it out loud. Don't be afraid to call and take
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your shot. And it got, I wrote it and it got me, you know, and that's what I mean. Like if,
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I don't know, it, you know, it's kind of like a little common sense guide, you know, it's,
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uh, and it sort of, uh, yeah, just, it was easy to do when you just think about
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wanting your kids to grow up and be good people, you know? And what, what am I, what am I trying to
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say to them? And what am I failing to say to them half the time? You know? And then when you think
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about that, you're like, okay, I can do this, you know? How involved in sports were you as a child?
00:23:27.000
You know, obviously acting and, and theater was a big part of your childhood. You said you
00:23:31.400
participated in school plays for me, sports, namely football, uh, some baseball, a little
00:23:37.700
wrestling here and there were a huge aspect of my life and very instrumental in the lives of my four
00:23:42.540
kids as well. Yeah. Um, sports was always a big part of my life. I, you know, a five foot six white
00:23:51.360
dude, I'm not half bad at basketball and sports and, you know, like, and you know, I'm like a sort
00:23:58.460
of Rudy except a chubby Rudy. So like, you wouldn't think I'd be okay, but I actually can
00:24:04.160
handle myself pretty well. I got a pretty sweet jump shot, no step Curry, but you know, uh, so I've
00:24:11.260
always been good, like basketball, baseball. I never got into soccer too much, but even soccer,
00:24:17.140
like I can play, you know, I can, I can throw a football around. I can, uh, I can catch. And
00:24:22.620
that's, that's what I've always told my wife is important to me with the boys is like, I took
00:24:28.820
karate, you know, I never, I didn't become a black belt. I was a boy scout. I didn't become an Eagle
00:24:35.460
scout. I didn't like, you know, kind of do all these things, but I did everything. And obviously you
00:24:44.300
find your passion at some point. And when you find your passion, you need to do that full throttle.
00:24:49.680
My passion has been acting. Uh, and I, I have put everything into that and, you know, producing and
00:24:55.860
that sort of thing, but at least in your early, and this is kind of to that point, that full,
00:25:00.500
those formative years, you have to have sports in your life. You have to get coordinated. You can't
00:25:05.620
be like tripping over your own feet. And you know, this is going to help you with everything. It's
00:25:11.060
going to help you with girls, even though I was terrible at that, but you know, it just helps
00:25:14.920
with everything in life to be a coordinated, uh, sporty person, you know, for men and women,
00:25:23.300
like these, the, and man, some of these girls, it's crazy how good they are at sports, but like,
00:25:29.900
it just, no matter what, you're going to be able to accomplish things better. And, you know, I was on
00:25:35.380
another podcast and we were just talking about like being able to fix things around my house. I can do
00:25:39.460
that. You know, something breaks, I can fix it. I'm not useless to my wife in those scenarios.
00:25:44.200
You know, she gives me a hard time when I go too far and she's like, maybe just call someone for
00:25:48.260
this. And I don't. And then eventually I end up doing it anyway, but you know, I can, I can fix a
00:25:53.900
broken window. I can, you know, fix a pipe that's leaking. I can, you know, and the, I think those are
00:25:58.900
important things that not a lot of people can do these days. And it's showing it's, it's showing in
00:26:05.380
this new generation. It is interesting because we do live in such a relative ease and comfort
00:26:13.100
that we can just call somebody and we can just outsource these things. And, you know, sometimes
00:26:17.600
to your point, that makes sense because I know, well, if you're like me, the project ends up taking
00:26:22.700
two or three times as long costs two or three times as much. And then I end up having to hire
00:26:27.040
anybody anyway. So I guess you could make the case that it makes sense to do that, but it's good.
00:26:31.780
I like what you said about being useful. It's good to be too far, but you know, fix a little
00:26:37.440
thing here and there and yeah, be useful to your family and, you know, change a time. You said that
00:26:43.500
you have to, you know, sure. Yeah. You said that your passion is acting and you obviously learned
00:26:51.160
this at an early age. What elements of acting really stand out to you? What is it that, that
00:26:56.280
you enjoy so much about it? I like making people laugh. Hmm. I, I, I, you know, or feel emotion
00:27:04.400
or cry or, you know, that's what I love about social media, you know, because I can just, it's
00:27:12.600
just me in the audience. It's just, you know, there's no, no one in between. There's no one
00:27:17.280
telling me what to do. No one, no, no one approving. If I got the part, uh, it's just,
00:27:23.380
I'm able to make people laugh and, and that's what I want to do, you know? Um, and, uh, yeah.
00:27:31.460
So I think that probably is the biggest part of it. I like to entertain. I like to create
00:27:38.880
things that, you know, people like to watch. Yeah.
00:27:44.240
Yeah. Man, I'm going to step away from the conversation just real quickly. Um, I need
00:27:49.480
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00:27:54.180
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00:28:00.160
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00:28:06.020
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00:28:54.840
Well, you certainly do that. You said that in your twenties, you stepped away or maybe not fully
00:29:00.560
stepped away, but step back a little bit from acting. I think your career was on an upward
00:29:04.740
trajectory. And then all of a sudden we just didn't see as much. Was that deliberate? And
00:29:09.860
why was that the case? Yeah, I think I started getting into, you know, in my, I started,
00:29:20.720
I luckily didn't dive too much into the drugs. I wasn't a big drug user, but, you know, I definitely
00:29:30.580
partied in my late teens and early twenties and just, I didn't like the way that it made
00:29:37.680
me feel. And I was sort of living to just party, you know, and I would do movies to just party.
00:29:44.380
You know, I remember I did a movie in Canada and it was all 20 year olds and it was the best,
00:29:50.620
my, it was my favorite filming experience because we just partied the whole time, you know,
00:29:55.160
but I don't know how my performance was, you know? So I started to lose sight of what you just asked,
00:30:02.300
why do you want to be an actor to entertain? I started to lose sight of that a little bit.
00:30:07.480
And I think, you know, I think also I wanted to settle down and find
00:30:15.440
the partner to, you know, spend the rest of my life with and I wanted a family. And so I found
00:30:23.300
that person and heard I did some nonprofit stuff for a few years and got kind of heavy into that.
00:30:28.820
And that was very rewarding for us. And then we had kids and, you know, little kids is a lot,
00:30:36.720
you know? And I do know, but then I had to support them. So then I was like, okay, time to get back
00:30:42.120
into acting. This is what I know. So, you know, having kids jump me back into it. And, you know,
00:30:48.060
cause I lived lean with my wife. We were married for 10 years before we had kids. I had,
00:30:52.760
we had one car, we had a little apartment in Hollywood. I didn't care, you know? But now
00:30:57.060
I want to give my kids everything. And so jumping back into it, I want to, you know, support them and
00:31:03.460
financially, but also just being able to do things. So I think that, that inspired me to get
00:31:11.120
back into it. Like writing the book, like, you know, kids inspire you to do everything.
00:31:14.640
Right. Um, so, uh, that, that was kind of my jumpstart and, uh, my oldest son was born in 2017.
00:31:23.700
And I kind of jumped back into 2018, 2019, something like that.
00:31:31.120
How do you, how do you find the balance when, I mean, I'm sure you're in, this is probably a weird
00:31:37.400
thing for you. I, I'm sure people look at you and think your life is just perfect and you've got
00:31:41.900
everything handed to you on a silver platter and you've got as much wealth and prosperity and
00:31:46.520
opportunity as you want. And I imagine that's just not true. Um, but also there is probably some
00:31:52.820
access. Oh, go ahead. I always loved looking at my net worth on the internet before I, you know,
00:31:58.400
when I was just with my wife and alone, I was like, Oh really? I ain't worth that. No way.
00:32:02.800
You're like, when do I see that money? I'd love to see that.
00:32:05.680
Listen, I've always been able to support myself acting. So in that sense, uh, it has been,
00:32:14.300
I have been blessed for that. Like that, that is very cool. And I'm, I don't take that for granted.
00:32:20.980
Um, when my youngest was born, you know, I looked at having to, you know, I've always done fine. I'm
00:32:29.060
not, you know, but I, Hey, I'm no, you know, no Ryan Reynolds, you know, I'm not worth $500 million.
00:32:36.340
But when I had my youngest kid, that's when I got into producing. Um, because I've always been a
00:32:43.120
really organized guy. And like I said, my college was the movie sets. So I know it, this is, I know
00:32:49.180
the world of movies and TV. And, um, so producing and creating this production company was an easy
00:32:55.720
pivot for me and it still has to do with acting and I can still act. So, um, that was sort of my
00:33:04.240
solution to that. But yeah, Hey, no one has it easy. You know, no one has it easy. I was just
00:33:11.080
driving by the Kardashian billboard and, you know, I was looking at them and, you know, people can say
00:33:17.660
what they want about them, but man, they know what they're doing. You know, I mean, they have built an
00:33:23.040
empire, that family and they're, they're, they're providing something that people want. So even they
00:33:30.740
don't have it easy. You know, nobody has it. We're all living here on planet earth and we're trying
00:33:34.680
to do the best we can. Um, and, and I think, you know, that's, it's a good upbringing. I don't want
00:33:41.380
to hand things on a silver platter to my kids either. They need to work for it. They need to earn it, but
00:33:45.720
you don't want to go too far either. Cause I've seen people go too far on that. I mean, it's just,
00:33:50.300
there's a happy, happy medium to everything. I think. Yeah. That's, that's, that was the next
00:33:55.840
question I wanted to ask is how do you find that balance between, cause this is something that I
00:34:01.460
struggle with too, you know, I've done fairly well financially. And so the opportunities that I can
00:34:06.000
afford to my kids is significantly greater than the opportunities I had as a child. Yeah. But I'm
00:34:11.400
trying to find that balance of letting them find their own way, but also providing opportunities for
00:34:17.040
them to develop skills, make connections, all the things that I think set them up on the right path,
00:34:24.460
but not give them too much. Yeah. I don't know how I find that balance. I crossed my fingers.
00:34:31.380
I mean, that's the, that's a million dollar question. I, I said on something else, I call myself a C plus
00:34:39.220
B minus dad, because I'm not half bad, but I definitely have a lot to learn. And, you know, we,
00:34:45.180
my wife and I are just learning, you know, we just started implementing chores and paying them.
00:34:50.600
Cause I was like, we're buying these kids too much stuff. That's it. They got to buy it themselves.
00:34:54.200
And it's the best thing we ever did. They water the plants that they'll clean the car. They do this
00:34:58.040
and we give them a buck here, a buck there. They put it in their safe. And then when they, you know,
00:35:02.260
they bought a little marble run together with their 35 bucks. And, you know, I think giving them that
00:35:09.440
concept has been something really strong, but I mean, we've been parents for almost eight years
00:35:15.000
now and we're just learning that. So, you know, patients, some, I'm, I'm still learning
00:35:21.580
patients. I don't have it all the time, you know, but I think, I think forgiveness for yourself and,
00:35:27.820
you know, give it, cutting yourself a little slack is important too, you know, because we're just
00:35:33.340
trying to do our best here. You said your, your mom and dad split when you were young. It sounds like
00:35:40.000
maybe your dad stayed on the East coast and then your mom moved, you and your mom moved. Do you have
00:35:44.460
siblings or is it just, just you? It's me, only child. Yeah. So you and your mom moved to the West
00:35:49.700
coast. How did your childhood for better and worse shape the way that you parent now? And even I'd like
00:35:57.080
to hear about the relationship you have with your father. Cause you said, even in that, that geographical
00:36:01.620
distance, it sounds like you're still fairly close. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he, he and I agree. He actually
00:36:08.640
is out here staying with me with his wife right now. Um, they're helping us cause my wife's pregnant.
00:36:14.040
So, uh, we're calling it. Yeah. We're calling in, uh, the family help right now to write as I promote
00:36:21.620
this book and stuff. Um, but yeah, my relationship with my dad is great. My parent, both my parents
00:36:27.580
remarried pretty soon after they split and they've been with those people since. So it's not like I had
00:36:33.920
to experience them bouncing around in the dating scene, which I watched some people deal with and
00:36:38.600
that's tough. Like I have close friends that are single dads and they're on the dating scene. And
00:36:43.060
I'm like, oof, that's, that's tough for kids, I think. And tough for the parents. Um, so it, it wasn't,
00:36:51.640
you know, I, I don't have a sob story to say on that. My, I think my parents nailed it. They did it as
00:36:56.520
best as they could. And, um, they've always been close and they've never really talked smack about the
00:37:01.280
other one. Um, so I've, I've been lucky on that. You know, it was hard when I, when I first heard
00:37:08.680
it, I remember, you know, that was a difficult time for me, but, uh, I think they did it as good
00:37:14.660
as they could. Yeah. Well, that's good. I know that geographical distance can obviously create
00:37:20.280
risks in a relationship and create fractions and splinters and everything else that make it hard
00:37:26.140
to stay connected. I had that with my dad when I was growing up, we weren't that far apart,
00:37:30.800
but far enough where I really only saw him in the summers and that made it very difficult to be
00:37:35.940
close, you know? Yeah. That's about, you know, I, I would visit my dad a couple of times a year
00:37:42.320
because it was cross country. Um, you know, I would just fly out there, got used to airplanes.
00:37:47.600
Um, but it, I'd be lying if I said it, it wasn't, it was easy. You know, I definitely missed him and
00:37:54.480
that, that was tough, but, um, I having kids and grandkids, I think has been really cool to bring
00:38:02.960
everyone back together. You know, it's kind of unites the family again, which has been nice.
00:38:08.320
Yeah. Now you, you've made a pivot recently into this production company. Tell me a little bit about
00:38:14.480
what that, what that process all entails. I mean, production, when I, as a layman, when I think that,
00:38:19.980
I think you're, you're the one, you know, making the movies, organizing, bringing the right people
00:38:25.240
in, putting them in the right places, hiring the directors and actors and all that sort of thing.
00:38:30.800
Uh, is there more to it? What, what else goes into that?
00:38:33.680
Yeah. So, I mean, I, I, I kind of have two production companies, the one I've been doing
00:38:38.280
for four years, which is partnered with this marketing company, Studio three. And we do,
00:38:43.740
I have a 10 person team and, uh, we do about 20 shoots a month for, you know, their 500 clients,
00:38:53.620
500 plus clients. So we'll, we have teams that'll fly out and they're smaller shoots. We do commercials.
00:38:59.660
We'll do some medium sized commercials and things like that. And, you know, I just kind of executive
00:39:04.380
produce that. And, um, there we have shooters and we'll do, we do some photo shoots and things like
00:39:10.480
that. Um, and you know, I have some, like I said, a 10 person team and a close friend of mine is that,
00:39:18.260
you know, does a lot of the creative on it. And we work with the creative director over at the
00:39:22.620
marketing company. So it's a cool process. And then recently we started Hamino media, which is,
00:39:29.640
um, the one I brought in my really good friend for, and that's more traditional Hollywood stuff.
00:39:37.460
So we're, we're developing a few things. We have something with MLB that we're working on something
00:39:42.400
with Dolph Digest, a couple of shows with blind mill, which is chip and join a gains production
00:39:47.600
company. Um, we're, we were working with these really talented Hollywood writers to develop a TV
00:39:54.580
show. That would be great. And a lot of the stuff I'd probably star in, um, we have, uh, uh, an agreement
00:40:01.240
with Thomas Tessier, who's a horror writer, uh, from out of Connecticut. He's an award-winning horror
00:40:06.380
writer and we're, uh, he has an anthology series called world of hurt. And we're going to turn
00:40:12.860
that we're going to take three of the stories and make a film out of it. And I would star in each
00:40:17.360
of the stories as somewhat different. So I'm really excited about that one too. Um, so again,
00:40:22.080
we just started, I'm going to start a podcast. Um, I have some fun stuff on YouTube and that
00:40:27.480
ambient on media is going to do all that stuff. Um, but we're kind of in the beginning stages of all
00:40:32.260
that. So we have the traditional, you know, fun Hollywood stuff. And then we have our kind of
00:40:37.240
bread and butter, uh, industrial type shoots. It's, uh, it's always interesting when I hear from
00:40:44.040
men who they don't complain necessarily, but they're, they, they envy a person who finds a level
00:40:52.400
of success in their professional aspirations. And I'm always amazed as I talk with men like yourself
00:40:58.340
and 550 other men. I think I've talked with at this point on the podcast that it seems like
00:41:04.380
it's always in a vein of, I don't want to say being in the right place at the right time, but
00:41:09.480
like having access to something that speaks to you and then diving in deeper and working on these
00:41:16.400
little ancillary projects and spinoffs and different trails and paths in the same arena
00:41:24.520
as the thing that they grew up knowing. Yeah. That's why I've tried to stay in that same arena
00:41:30.100
because it is what I'm really good at and it is my passion and what I know the best, you know, like
00:41:37.000
it's like a pro basketball player becoming a professional coach. Like, why wouldn't you,
00:41:41.920
you know, it makes sense. Right. Obviously if you have passion for other things, do it, but
00:41:46.340
it's just been kind of a seamless transition for me. And I'm definitely learning new, new things.
00:41:52.840
I mean, producing is not something I knew how to do and I know how to do it a lot more, but I've
00:41:57.480
enjoyed staying in the same world. Have you, uh, you talked about these three horror films or shorts,
00:42:05.140
whatever they end up being. Um, are you, have you done horror before as an actor? Yeah, I've done a
00:42:10.160
couple. They're fun. I like them. I hate watching horror. I'm a chicken. I get too scared, but I love
00:42:17.220
acting because you got to do all the gory stuff, but you know, you're surrounded by people. So it's
00:42:22.640
not frightening. Right. I had, that's, that's a good point. Cause I see some movies and I'm like,
00:42:28.340
that would be terrifying. Even if you're an actor, it would be terrifying in the scene or in the,
00:42:34.420
in the moment of what they're at, knowing that it's completely made up really. Okay.
00:42:38.220
Uh, I'll tell you the scare, the most I've ever been freaked out in my career was I did a pilot
00:42:45.080
for NBC years ago and I had a, a prosthetic head. So you really didn't know it was me very much,
00:42:52.200
but I had to get a whole head task and I went out to like Van Nuys and to some random dude's house
00:42:59.680
house. And it was in his garage and he had like masks hanging all over the wall. This is somewhere
00:43:05.520
you go to get murdered. I don't know why it was a big network show. I don't know why we were at,
00:43:10.640
I went, I had plenty of money. Anyway, I went to this house to get my head cast. And as the things
00:43:16.300
over my head and I'm breathing through a straw, I'm like, if I could, if he, if a chainsaw starts up,
00:43:22.080
that's it, I'm done. Like I had no way of defending myself. He could cut my head off at any moment.
00:43:26.720
So I got a little freaked out in that moment, but other than that, no, I've been fine on set.
00:43:32.900
That's not true. Hold on. I filmed the movie in an abandoned hospital and, um, we were only in parts
00:43:41.220
of it. So to really freak ourselves out, me and the cast would go into the vacant parts. That was
00:43:47.120
terrifying because it was like psychiatric wards where, you know, just tons of torture had happened
00:43:52.560
and you're like, ah, this is awful. Just a feeling of just uneasiness. It sounds like terrible,
00:43:59.520
terrible. Um, I know your, your boys are young and it sounds like you have one on the way.
00:44:06.060
Congratulations on that. Um, how much of a girl? Oh, okay. That's a, that's a whole different world.
00:44:11.120
So I've got, I've got four. So a boy, boy, then a girl, same order as you. And then a boy on the end
00:44:17.260
as well. So it's, it's a lot, man. Girls are interesting and difficult. Um, how much of the
00:44:27.480
world do you anticipate introducing your, your sons and daughter to, is this something that
00:44:33.560
you want them to be involved? You want them to find their own path? Obviously it's something
00:44:38.460
you're passionate about. Would you be encouraged, encouraging them to be involved as well?
00:44:42.600
If that's what they want to do, I'll support them in anything they want to do, you know,
00:44:48.640
as long as it's legal about like, right. Sure. Yeah. Whatever, whatever path they choose,
00:44:54.260
I'll support them. Um, yeah. So I, I guess it's up to them, you know? Yeah. Well, it sounds
00:45:03.360
like the opportunities there. I, I know that sometimes, um, we, as fathers attempt to live vicariously
00:45:10.140
through our children, you know, maybe we didn't get our childhood exactly the way we wish we would
00:45:15.040
have and hope that they can have better. I think it comes from good intentions, but to me, I think
00:45:19.900
the direction you're going is, Hey, if they want to be involved, great. If not, they want to find
00:45:23.480
their own path. That's good too. Yeah, totally. I mean, I, you know, I would love to kind of
00:45:31.900
show them the ropes and, and teach them what I've, I've learned, but, uh, you know, that you have to
00:45:39.160
be passionate about it. Acting is not easy and it's a lot of, you know, it's a lot of work and
00:45:45.560
rejection. And I mean, what George Clooney did like 20 pilots before he became George Clooney and
00:45:50.900
got ER, you know? So like the amount of times that guy failed and that's like kind of a cool thing
00:45:56.580
in the book, I talk about that commercial, that Michael Jordan, that one, where he says how many
00:46:02.320
shots he's missed, how many game winning shots he's missed, how many games he's lost. And, you know,
00:46:07.060
it really puts it in perspective. You have to, um, you have to be willing to, you know,
00:46:16.480
use, take that defeat and use it to strengthen you for moving forward, you know, then acting is,
00:46:30.160
Well, it's interesting. I mean, we, as, we, as the public and consumers of the movies and TV shows
00:46:35.600
that we watch, see the final product and everything's produced and looks wonderful and has the
00:46:39.820
right lighting and music and everything else. And we think, oh, well, this would be so fun to act.
00:46:45.260
And I'm sure there's moments of fun, but I'm also fairly certain 90% of it is sitting around and
00:46:52.480
waiting and rehearsing lines and doing the same scene, you know, a thousand times before it's
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done just right. I bet there's a lot of grueling work that goes into it outside of just reading a
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line to perfection. Yeah, it's tough. And then, you know, you could be waiting around all day
00:47:10.260
to then only have an hour left in the day before they go to overtime. And now you have to do this huge
00:47:16.660
scene in one hour and it's, you know, and you've got limited time. You've got to nail it in two
00:47:21.840
takes. So it's definitely stressful. It's not, it, but Hey, you're, it's also, you know, it's all,
00:47:29.960
it is fun though. And it's, it's definitely a cool job. You know, it's like, you can't complain if
00:47:35.640
you're a basketball player, you have a, yeah, you work hard and you can't complain if you're an actor,
00:47:40.480
you work hard, but you got to, it's a cool job. You know, it's not, it's not manual labor, you know,
00:47:46.280
like that, that, I mean, that stuff's tough. You know, I've done some of it. My, I grew up,
00:47:52.520
my stepdad's a general contractor. So I, I've helped him on, on job sites and, you know, done a bunch of
00:48:00.040
things. And that's, that's the stuff that's tough, you know? Yeah. It's hard work. How do you,
00:48:05.760
how do you see, um, obviously you've been inside Hollywood for a long time. How has it changed
00:48:11.720
over the past 30 plus years since you really got into the scene? Have you seen notable changes and
00:48:19.660
are they positive, negative? How do you feel about it? Uh, I mean, listen, post COVID, a lot of negative,
00:48:30.540
um, you know, a lot of, a lot of Hollywood has moved out of Hollywood, um, which is a shame,
00:48:38.060
you know, LA is definitely needs a pick me up, um, and it needs to get some of that back here.
00:48:46.540
Definitely some positive. There's more opportunity for everyone. It's, you know, you, what might be a
00:48:52.940
negative for, you know, when I was starting out in Hollywood, I kind of got in and I was sort of in,
00:48:59.040
you know what I mean? Like, I did voiceovers. I was on short lists. You didn't have an iPhone to
00:49:07.020
record everything. So I would get more calls. Um, and this also might've been one of the reasons I
00:49:13.520
kind of stopped with digital advancements. It opened the world up to everyone. So to say that
00:49:20.660
that's not positive though. I mean, there's more talent you would, it's like opening up the NBA
00:49:26.060
because you, you know, there's hidden talent out in various countries that nobody knows about
00:49:32.520
and they should be playing. So it's, it is positive large and on a larger scale, personally,
00:49:40.900
it may make it more difficult, but Hey, you know, it's not all about one of us, you know? So I would
00:49:45.840
say generally speaking, there's, there's positive moves, you know? Um, and, and there's negatives there.
00:49:52.060
There's some things that go too far, um, you know, changes that, that, you know, you, you want to fix
00:50:00.840
one thing and then you implement a change and it affects everything. You know, like, you know,
00:50:05.180
you just needed to fix that one thing, relax. So there's things like, you know, like that, but
00:50:10.640
it's, it's hard to not think that this generation has more opportunity than the one before. You know,
00:50:17.360
I I'd like to think that it's generally for the better. Yeah. I mean, I, from where I sit, I,
00:50:24.080
I would agree. You know, I'm, I'm in entertainment. I'm not an actor by any stretch of the imagination or
00:50:29.920
anything like that, but this opportunity of having a conversation with you and the other guests that
00:50:34.860
I've had on would not be possible 30 years ago. I'd never would have imagined this would be the case.
00:50:39.020
No, you're, you do a podcast and you would have had to have been Johnny Carson to like,
00:50:43.860
there, there was a few talk shows. I mean, that's what this is. This podcast are radio shows,
00:50:49.740
but they're, you know, run by you and the people decided they like it. And that's pretty sweet,
00:50:55.840
you know? Yeah. When you think about the future of Hollywood and your role in it as an actor,
00:51:02.360
as a producer, um, are there things that you would like to see change or that you're working on
00:51:09.080
the general direction of media and entertainment? Uh, you know, I think
00:51:19.580
AI is terrifying, but I think it also can be really great. You know, um, I think there are
00:51:30.700
real big benefits of it. So I'd like to, it's kind of like, I'd like to see everything used
00:51:35.680
correctly and appropriately and to, you know, to do more good than bad. Um, I think that's,
00:51:42.960
that's something I think about a lot, like, how is this going to play out? You know? Um,
00:51:48.280
so I guess what, what I would hope for in the future is that there's still a place for all of us
00:51:53.200
and we don't push ourselves out of a job, you know? But I think the trick is to just embrace
00:52:00.120
things like social media, as opposed to shying away from them. You know, I embrace it. I use it
00:52:08.980
to entertain, not to, you know, suck people in for hours and hours and hours and not experience the
00:52:16.040
real world. So I like to think that, you know, the, those sort of the, you know, the, the nuances
00:52:23.720
about those things are positive and the way that I handle them. Yeah. Yeah. It is funny when people
00:52:30.320
don't embrace new technology, those are the first people to go. You know, I, I was in the financial
00:52:35.160
planning industry for a lot of years and I saw a lot of guys who'd been around for 20, 30, 40 years
00:52:40.980
that would not embrace technology. I'm like, okay, that's fine. You're either going to have to retire
00:52:45.320
or get left in the dust. Cause it's changing whether you want it to or not.
00:52:49.420
And that's exactly my point is like, or hire someone that embraces it for you, you know,
00:52:56.960
like, sure. Either way, it's gotta be bring it into your team though, because yeah, you're right.
00:53:02.060
Like if, if you're archaic or go live in the sticks, because you know, I went to the little
00:53:07.820
league world series and you drive through Pennsylvania and some of these cities you go
00:53:12.620
through, you're like, I don't even know if the internet's here. This is so remote. Like,
00:53:15.740
yeah, but there's something really, um, attractive and endearing about those places. You're just
00:53:21.440
like, wow, this is their 10 years behind here, but that's kind of cool. So like go live in that
00:53:26.880
place. Then don't, don't live LA. You're not going to embrace technology. Yeah. I was listening
00:53:34.080
to a podcast or something the other day and that whoever it was presented this interesting idea. And I
00:53:40.640
don't know, I don't know how accurate this is, or if it'll even come to fruition, but their
00:53:44.740
prediction was that at some point we'd be able to sit on our couch and say, I'd like to have a
00:53:50.260
movie based on Sandlot starring Patrick and these actors and actresses, and here is a general
00:53:58.280
overview. And then AI would just go ahead and just create the movie for us in real time. And we could
00:54:04.800
just watch it right there on the screen or projector or whatever it would be at that point.
00:54:09.000
Yeah. Listen, if that happens, cool. I hope it's just sort of, um, I hope that it doesn't take over
00:54:19.140
true movie making and that it's more like a novelty, you know, that would be my hope for that stuff
00:54:26.240
because otherwise then AI is just doing it for us. I don't know. That's just wild to me,
00:54:35.480
but I'm, I'm sure they're not wrong. You know, sure. They're not wrong.
00:54:40.300
Well, I also think being able to engage in, in this case, you know, my, my job interviewing,
00:54:46.320
having these conversations, your job acting, producing. Yeah. Maybe you can make the argument
00:54:52.560
that certain aspects of our job can be done better by a computer, but the thing that it can't do is
00:54:57.880
create a sense of purpose and fulfillment for us. Like I'm fulfilled when I do this work and you
00:55:02.600
sound fulfilled when you do your work. That's right. And that's the only thing I hope that we
00:55:07.060
don't lose sight of, you know, again, for it to be a novelty and be fun. That's great. Sure. I don't
00:55:13.900
make it and get a laugh, but it can't replace Hollywood. And, uh, I don't think, and I hope that it,
00:55:23.300
you know, I hope that it doesn't. Well, Patrick, I'm glad we could have this conversation. If you let
00:55:29.380
the people know where to connect with you and obviously pick up a copy of the book, I've got
00:55:33.300
my, uh, pre-release version right here. I've read it to my kids already. It's awesome. So I'm glad
00:55:38.640
this is called unwritten rules of baseball in life. Um, where does everybody don't go to connect
00:55:42.820
with you? Yeah, I'm, I'm on social media at Patrick right on pretty much everything. Uh,
00:55:47.760
Instagram, Tik TOK. I started him being on media.com. So website would be up soon. And, uh, yeah,
00:55:53.840
get, uh, the unwritten rules to baseball in life, little sluggers guide to the unwritten rules of
00:55:58.800
baseball in life. Um, hang on random house. I mean, you can get it on Amazon, a bunch of different
00:56:03.980
places comes out February 25th and, um, my kind of promotion tour started today. So I'm excited.
00:56:12.620
Awesome. Well, we'll sync everything up. I appreciate you. Like you said earlier,
00:56:16.520
you've been in our house for years and years and years, whether you knew it or not. And, uh,
00:56:20.620
really glad to be able to have this conversation. Appreciate you. Thanks, man. This was fun.
00:56:26.900
Man. There you go. The one and only Patrick Renna. I really enjoyed the opportunity to speak
00:56:31.060
with Patrick and he was gracious enough to send a video to my kids as well, because as he said in
00:56:36.840
the podcast and the conversation that he's spent time in people's living rooms and nobody even knew
00:56:42.240
it. So, um, it's very cool to be able to have somebody like this on the show. And I hope that you
00:56:48.360
guys, especially if you have young kids, pick up a copy of his book, unwritten rules of baseball in
00:56:53.080
life. I've been reading this. Uh, I read about three to four to five unwritten rules every night
00:56:59.000
when my kids are with me, my two youngest in particular, and it's nice just to lay on the
00:57:03.320
couch or on the bed and read this book. And, uh, there's a lot of great lessons that have proven
00:57:08.780
to create some talking points and, um, powerful discussions with my kids as well. So pick it up.
00:57:13.860
It's called unwritten rules of baseball in life. Follow Patrick on the gram on X. I think he's very
00:57:21.060
active on, uh, tick tock as well. I is tick tock is the thing still. I don't know. I know at one
00:57:25.960
point it was going away and then it wasn't. And then it was, so I'm not really sure if you're over
00:57:30.260
there, you can check it out. Um, outside of that, make sure you, uh, check out the men's forge
00:57:35.760
again at the men's forge.com. And that's may 1st through the 4th, 2025. We only have 200 spots
00:57:41.840
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00:57:46.840
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