Order of Man - PATRICK RENNA ｜ The Unwritten Rules to Baseball and Life

00:00:00.000 It's likely that all of you know my guest today, but may not immediately recognize his name.

00:00:05.160 He is Patrick Renna, but you may know him from his most well-known movie role, Hamilton Porter from The Sandlot.

00:00:12.200 But Patrick is so much more than the young kid we saw on the movie screen over 30 years ago.

00:00:18.480 Today, Patrick and I talk about the struggles people we put on pedestals face, pivoting in life, but doing it in something that you're passionate about.

00:00:26.580 How Hollywood has changed and how it will continue to do so.

00:00:30.340 Striking the balance between giving your kids opportunities, but also letting them struggle and what we can learn both on and off the baseball diamond.

00:00:39.860 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:46.000 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:50.460 You are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.

00:00:55.020 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day.

00:01:00.960 And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:06.980 Gentlemen, welcome to the Order of Man podcast. I am Ryan Michler. I'm your host.

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00:02:57.980 All right, guys, let me introduce you to my guest. He is an actor, producer, and now author, Patrick Renna.

00:03:03.900 Again, you may know him from his most well-known and well-recognized roles as Hamilton Porter from The Sandlot,

00:03:09.640 but he's also appeared in dozens and dozens of movies and TV shows in his very, very successful acting career.

00:03:17.720 Side note, Son-in-Law happens to be one of me and my kids' favorite movies.

00:03:23.560 He's a great character in that show, too. If you haven't seen that, that's a good one for the kids as well.

00:03:27.860 But at the height of his stardom, Renna took a step back to reevaluate his priorities, start and raise a family,

00:03:34.120 and over the past several years has come back to Hollywood in more of a production and producer role.

00:03:39.880 He's an incredible family man. He's also expecting a daughter soon, he mentioned on the podcast,

00:03:45.220 and part of the reason he decided to write his newest kid's book, The Unwritten Rules of Baseball and Life,

00:03:50.280 was to help teach his children the lessons he's learned on the screen, on the field, and off.

00:03:57.380 Yeah, I was telling, Julia, before you jumped on the call, you just recorded a podcast with a good friend of mine, Larry Hagner, the Dad Edge.

00:04:04.940 Oh, cool.

00:04:05.580 Yeah, so he's a good guy. We've been friends for a long time. In fact, I messaged him today. I'm like,

00:04:10.400 hey, I'm going to be talking with Patrick. If you haven't talked with him, I'd love to make a connection.

00:04:15.240 He's like, oh, I interviewed him last week. So it sounds like we're running in similar circles anyways.

00:04:20.360 Oh, that's awesome.

00:04:21.440 Yeah, you know, I think the biggest thing, maybe more than anything else, that I'm curious about,

00:04:26.920 is how you feel your children's lives as kids will be different than yours,

00:04:33.680 because you had a very, very unique childhood relative to a lot of other people.

00:04:39.980 Yeah, I mean, I think the jury's still out. You know, who knows? Maybe some of them will want to be actors, you know?

00:04:49.140 They definitely ham it up. So that, you know, it wouldn't surprise me. But the cool thing is,

00:04:57.620 I didn't actually start acting until I was 13. So I had a pretty normal from zero to 13, you know?

00:05:05.760 I grew up in Boston, played Little League. And then I moved out to LA. And that's where, you know,

00:05:13.960 my first, basically my first job was Sandlot. I had done a little thing for Salute Your Shorts at Nickelodeon.

00:05:23.280 I remember that. Yeah, I remember that.

00:05:24.640 I remember that.

00:05:25.300 That was my first job.

00:05:26.320 I do. So I, but I, my first audition was Salute Your Shorts, second was Sandlot. So I was two for two.

00:05:33.120 Um, and I, you know, again, I just started at 13. So it wasn't, um, my childhood was fairly normal

00:05:43.780 and my teens and, and late teens and early twenties, that, that was obviously different,

00:05:50.860 I suppose, than most people would experience. I was, my college, my high school was filming movies

00:05:56.740 and different countries and, um, traveling, you know, I started going on my own at 16.

00:06:02.900 Um, so we'll see on that. I, you know, people ask what I ever want my kids to get into the business.

00:06:08.980 And I, I kind of say not, not earlier than I did. I don't think, um, because I think you need to

00:06:17.300 experience like a normal childhood and get friends and know who your friends are and have that base

00:06:23.260 and, um, have those experiences, which have helped me a lot in just knowing who I am and knowing who

00:06:30.880 other people are and, um, and kind of wading through this crazy industry, you know?

00:06:38.100 Yeah. It seems like it'd be pretty surreal and easy, maybe even to put yourself on a pedestal when,

00:06:44.060 you know, you hit this, this stardom, I guess, at such an early age where it would be,

00:06:50.820 it would be weird for an adult, you know, every once in a while might be at the airport and somebody

00:06:54.700 listens to the podcast and I bump into somebody, but that's very rare, but to be 13 and to go to

00:07:01.720 the mall or go out to dinner. And I'm sure you were just bombarded at that time. I'm not sure

00:07:07.900 an adult could handle that well, let alone a child. Yeah. I, yeah, definitely. I remember when

00:07:14.440 Sandlot, the previews started coming out. I was at the library the first time I got recognized and

00:07:19.980 it wasn't, the movie hadn't even come out. So obviously I also have a unique look different

00:07:25.400 than most people, I suppose. And so, uh, people know will spot me more and, you know, it's, it's

00:07:32.640 definitely just been a part of my life. I'm kind of used to it now. So honestly, it's odd when it

00:07:36.920 doesn't happen when I go to London and nobody, you know, or Paris, you know, cause obviously it's

00:07:42.420 like, what the heck? Why is nobody recognizing me? It's a pretty American movie. It's funny though.

00:07:46.620 I went to the Caribbean islands and, uh, I had, I, it wasn't as crazy as it was in America,

00:07:53.360 but people love the big green there. So I had no idea. And I'm wondering how, how it is

00:07:58.220 in Japan, you know, let's see. Cause they have such a big baseball fan fan base. I'm curious

00:08:03.720 what it would be like there. I'm sure I'm not Kobe Bryant, but Hey, maybe, maybe there'd be

00:08:08.260 some free London. Yeah. I was going to say soccer is not so much relevant in North America as it is

00:08:14.220 other places. That makes sense. But baseball, sure. You've got to lock on that. Yeah. That's

00:08:18.820 really interesting. Um, I guess, like I said, I'm, it's just, I'm kind of used to it and I've

00:08:25.440 sort of embraced it as opposed to push away from it. So it doesn't, you know, and like 99% of people

00:08:30.240 are nice. So it's, it's always an icebreaker and a door opener and, you know, I think that's a good

00:08:36.380 way to look at it. I've seen, you know, tabloids and things like that of, of celebrities and

00:08:41.960 musicians and athletes who, uh, really rail against it a little bit and they come across 0.99

00:08:47.820 as jerks, you know? And it's like, you know, these people for the most part, I imagine are 0.98

00:08:51.480 there to support you. They, they like you, they they're acknowledging you. They feel like they're

00:08:55.660 part of your life, which has got to be weird too, because you don't know these people, but they

00:09:00.620 think they know you. Totally. Yeah. I mean, although I feel like I know them, you know,

00:09:08.020 and it, when we meet, they talk about, you know, I saw, you know, I'll get like, you've

00:09:16.660 been in our living room for 30 years and then, you know, it's a, it's, um, it's humbling and

00:09:23.560 it's really cool to have been part of something like that. And, you know, you, you chat for five

00:09:28.080 minutes and you kind of know all about them and you're just in their world. And, uh, yeah. So,

00:09:34.820 but again, you know, I'm kind of used to it. So, um, I, I, I look at it as a blessing though.

00:09:42.400 You moved to Hollywood when you were 13, you said you went two for two on additions.

00:09:47.200 Uh, did you make that move specifically to get into acting? And if so, why was that compelling for

00:09:53.180 you? I don't think that I met, well, you know, it's not like I left Boston going, I'm going to

00:10:01.240 nail it and, you know, be an actor. I, I did school plays and wanted to act. So yes, part of me did go

00:10:08.800 out. My mom moved out to LA. She had a job opportunity. My parents split. And so obviously

00:10:14.660 I went with mom and, um, as most do, you know, I mean, my dad's been a big part of my life and

00:10:20.680 they're still very close to this day, but, uh, so I, I went out. I don't think I intended to sort

00:10:26.700 of do that. My first agent, the amazing Judy Savage, she was the queen of young acting, young 1.00

00:10:32.720 actors being the agent of young actors. And she said, don't be surprised if you don't work for two

00:10:37.440 years. And so my beginning was unusual for sure. I didn't taste, you know, defeat or, uh, the, the

00:10:45.540 rejection of Hollywood until my teens and late teens. Then I started to go, Oh, it's not,

00:10:50.680 it's not all, you know, you don't get everything you want now. Um, and that, that sort of run,

00:10:56.880 you know, from 16 to early twenties was an interesting one. It, you know, again, it was

00:11:03.920 a lot of, uh, ups and downs in those times. And had I not had the base and the foundation,

00:11:12.160 the friendships and the family, I don't think I would have done, I wouldn't have made it out

00:11:16.240 the way that I feel I have now, you know, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but

00:11:21.720 based on what I'm hearing you say from the time that you were born up till the age of 13

00:11:26.440 is really where if I'm, if I'm hearing you correctly, you wrapped up some of your identity

00:11:30.900 and that more so than the jobs and the movies and the TV shows. Cause, cause I imagine, especially

00:11:39.120 with your early success to not have success, maybe a little bit later, several years down

00:11:44.560 the road, if you wrap up your entire identity in that, I think it would really do a number

00:11:49.540 on your self-worth and, and just your mental wellbeing.

00:11:54.120 Yeah. Yeah. You're saying like my, I, I guess the, sorry, I'm going to raise my chair a little.

00:12:02.480 Um, how's that out? I feel so low. Um, I think, I, I think I would, I would say, yeah, the,

00:12:11.160 the important, and that's why I don't want my kids to do it too soon is I don't, you don't want,

00:12:17.880 you want to realize that this is outside of the normal, what you're experiencing. This is not normal.

00:12:24.380 This is not what everyone experiences. So I want them to experience normal and, and see what sports

00:12:34.620 is like and making friends and not being handed things, you know, on a silver platter, because to

00:12:41.240 some degree you are, you know, like you're on set and catering comes out at, you know, after lunch

00:12:49.580 and has grilled cheese sandwiches and tomato soup. And they're just walking around in a tray. And

00:12:55.240 you're like, this is, you know, you're 13 and you're, you know, running the, running the show.

00:13:00.980 And, you know, you're, you're the stars in the movie. And, you know, I mean, I think Sam Lott also

00:13:06.820 did a good, good job though. David, Nicky Evans takes, gets a lot of credit. He was sort of our big

00:13:11.200 brother and he kept this in our place for sure. Like he didn't let us be a little punks, you know?

00:13:17.940 Uh, and if we were they, you know, Bill Elvin, the first AD, he is a very famous first AD. I remember

00:13:25.240 him pulling me on the other side of the, um, the tree house. Cause I was being just a little

00:13:29.900 punk that day. And he's, he gave, he gave me the riot act and I'm glad he did, you know,

00:13:35.920 then I was like, Oh, what the heck? But you know, I never, I never stepped out of line after that.

00:13:41.380 So that, that was good too. But I guess my point is I want my kids to learn respect and

00:13:49.460 learn important family values and, and learn, um, how to make friends without having been in a movie.

00:13:57.240 And then they can do that stuff. And, you know, uh, cause there's no other time you're going to have

00:14:02.740 that innocence in that childhood. And I would hate to take that away from them. I don't feel like my

00:14:07.340 childhood was taken away from me. I feel like I had a cool childhood and then I had a really good

00:14:11.880 college. It's just a different one, you know? Did you ever run into any issues where you grew,

00:14:18.700 I don't think resentful necessarily, but skeptical of, of friends, you know, when, when you're in the

00:14:25.080 public spotlight, like you were, um, I imagine a lot of, uh, people that have extreme levels of

00:14:31.160 wealth probably experienced this as well, where it's hard to determine if these are true friends

00:14:35.160 or if they're just attached to me because of my notoriety or my accolades or my wealth or whatever

00:14:40.360 else it might be. That will, that's what I mean. So my two best friends growing up, um, I'm still

00:14:46.380 best friends with today. I just started a production company and one of them is my partner in it. Uh,

00:14:52.220 and we were friends from a very early age, you know? Um, and I still have friends, a lot of those

00:15:00.580 friends since then. So I, I had already built relationships and I haven't lost them. Uh,

00:15:07.560 sure. Friendships I made on movie sets fleeting. I couldn't tell you, um,

00:15:14.780 some of them though. I guess one of my, the, one of my best friends was a movie set, but it was

00:15:19.420 different. It was, uh, you know, it wasn't, we both were actors and then we formed that friendship,

00:15:24.520 but most of those friendships are fleeting, you know? And it's not because there aren't good people,

00:15:30.300 but you just, you don't, you're, you're there for two months doing something and then you go back to

00:15:35.000 your lives and you know, it's not very, you don't stay in touch very often. Um, so I, yeah, I think

00:15:43.880 I didn't have those experiences. Of course there were people that there have been people in my life that

00:15:49.720 I've felt were toxic to me or, you know, and I'm sure I was to them. We just didn't mix. And, uh,

00:15:57.680 and yeah, of course I've always, there's always been those things, but I had a strong family

00:16:03.060 background and, you know, and strong friends and my wife and I, you know, I kind of stopped acting in

00:16:08.980 my early twenties. So, and that's when I met my wife. I wasn't, I wasn't acting. Um, I was, I've always

00:16:15.520 acted. I shouldn't say I wasn't acting, but it wasn't my priority. And so I, you know, I have

00:16:22.720 this beautiful relationship with someone that has supported me as doing regular things and supported

00:16:28.600 me in my career. And, you know, then we had a family and, um, did those things together. So

00:16:35.820 that's an important base, you know? When, uh, when do you watch your, your movies with your kids or have

00:16:42.640 you? And, and what is, what is that like? Is it like dad's a dork, like all of our kids do,

00:16:47.100 or they think it's cool? Like what, what's their take on, on the movies they've seen of you, uh, 0.98

00:16:52.420 playing in? They haven't watched the, the Sandlot that much. I showed my oldest, I showed them both

00:16:59.620 actually, but I think it's a little strange for them because they sort of know it's mean, but I don't

00:17:05.420 quite look the same, but I sort of do. So, uh, right. You know, they're probably a little young

00:17:10.740 for Sandlot. My youngest is four. My oldest is seven. I feel like eight, nine, 10 is kind of

00:17:17.560 right there, but Sandlot to me, isn't Sandlot the way it is for you or like the Goonies is,

00:17:25.700 is my Sandlot, you know? And I showed my kid, my oldest Goonies and that was fun, you know?

00:17:31.760 And when Sloth came on and, you know, obviously that scare you, you know, and like slick shoes and

00:17:38.640 everything like, you know, chunk and data and mouth. And so that was like, that was, I knew in

00:17:47.560 that, that moment, the experience that other fathers and mothers have when they showed their

00:17:52.040 kid, Sam, I finally realized what it's like because I was watching him more than I was watching the

00:17:57.480 movie, just seeing if he loved it, you know? Yeah. That is fun to be able to share some of your like

00:18:04.320 most nostalgic moments. And Sandlot for me, you know, I'm 43 years old. Sandlot for me was

00:18:09.360 an instrumental movie in my life, you know? And obviously it has so much cultural relevance. And

00:18:14.980 then the other movie that really stands out is Son-in-Law, you know, that's Son-in-Law is one of

00:18:20.280 my, mine and my kid's favorite movies. We watched that movie together all the time. And my daughter

00:18:25.940 has a huge crush on Pauly Shore for whatever reason. She just thinks the world of Pauly Shore.

00:18:31.600 Well, he's a sweetheart to this day. I've seen him a few times over the last year because

00:18:37.360 I did, he's, uh, he did a documentary or is doing one. So he asked me to do a little thing

00:18:43.540 on it and then I saw him for something else too, but he's a, he's a sweetheart. He was

00:18:47.960 like a big brother in me on that set, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I did his podcast. I did

00:18:54.180 his podcast. Okay. Yeah. The dynamic between you two and that, in that movie was spot on.

00:19:00.080 It was so good. And my kids really enjoy that. So it's cool to be able to have this conversation.

00:19:04.760 Yeah. I mean, he's Hollywood royalty, you know, and his mom and just on the comedy scene. And,

00:19:09.140 um, he, he's still a really good dude and he, you know, he's, yeah, he's cool.

00:19:16.880 So you've got a new book out and I'm curious why you decided to write the book. You know,

00:19:22.200 I think about a lot of the things that I do within my business and I have the luxury of being able to

00:19:26.820 dictate a lot of the things that I do and the conversations I have. And the people that I love

00:19:31.260 are always on the forefront of my mind as I do these things. Is that why you decided to write

00:19:35.340 the book for your kids? Or did you have a different thought behind that or what?

00:19:39.340 I think, so I, I'd be lying if I said it was my idea. Penguin Random House called me and said,

00:19:44.600 will you write a kid's book? And at first I was like, huh? Right. Cause you know, I'm the kind of guy

00:19:50.220 that like, I've been running a production company, um, for the past four or five years. And then I'm

00:19:57.300 just, we're, you know, I'm basically, I partnered with an old friend of mine. Uh, she's the COO of a

00:20:04.160 pretty big marketing company, studio three marketing. So I, I have a production company that does all of

00:20:10.380 the media for them and I've been doing it for about five years. And now I just started Hambino Media

00:20:15.260 to do more traditional stuff. And, um, that's where I brought my buddy Kyle Howard on, uh, to

00:20:21.320 partner with me on that. But, uh, I, I'm always the kind of guy that's like, I'm an actor. I'm not

00:20:28.700 going to claim I'm a director. I'm not going to say I'm a producer. Now, after five years of producing,

00:20:33.240 I'll finally say, okay, I'm a producer. So when I heard writer, I was like, no, no, no, no. That's

00:20:38.780 for the writers. That's what they do. They're good at that. I'm not a writer. Um, but then I thought

00:20:44.300 about it and I, you know, with kids books, like I, I read kid books to my kids, my wife and I do

00:20:51.520 every night. Um, so then I was like, wait, I mean, I can, I think I can do a kid's book. Like

00:20:56.760 it's a lot less words, you know? Uh, and I, the fact that I have two boys excited me to do it. Matt

00:21:04.280 was a big push behind it. Um, and then the process of writing it, I, I worked a lot with Nick

00:21:11.160 Magliato, who's the senior editor at Penguin and just kind of like tossing around ideas and figuring

00:21:17.000 it out. And obviously it needed to be baseball. It was, that was kind of a no brainer. Um, and then

00:21:22.580 the 20 rules, uh, baseball in life just sort of almost started writing itself because when I started

00:21:29.080 looking at life and sports, they mirror each other, you know, it's life is a game. It's, you know,

00:21:34.540 got these obstacles, you got to overcome them and you win or you lose and you learn from it,

00:21:38.520 you get better. And so, uh, the process was actually really cool and to see it come to life

00:21:44.500 and then to Tommy Parker, the illustrator on it to, you know, kind of see him bring it to life

00:21:51.820 through, uh, you know, picture form was really special as well. I think one of the things I like

00:21:59.180 about the book is anytime I see a children's book, it seems anymore. AI just wrote everything

00:22:04.840 and it's very surface level. It doesn't, it doesn't interest me. It's very weak. It has no

00:22:10.600 depth. And then as I was reading through the book and of course I've read it to my two youngest kids

00:22:14.300 at this point, um, there's a lot of depth behind it in the 20 rules, you know, like some of the rules

00:22:19.280 that stood out to me is don't underestimate a game of catch. And, uh, what was the other one?

00:22:25.080 Um, finding a glove that fits, you know, and I, and I saw these lessons. I'm like, dang,

00:22:29.260 these are lessons that I need to incorporate in my own life, let alone my kids needing to incorporate

00:22:33.100 these things. I, I even, I, someone just, I was just doing a little publicity for it this morning

00:22:39.060 and they asked me to read one of them. And I, I, it was a TV show, so I didn't have a lot of time.

00:22:43.620 So I was like, all right, I'll do number 20. And I read it out loud. Don't be afraid to call and take

00:22:48.280 your shot. And it got, I wrote it and it got me, you know, and that's what I mean. Like if,

00:22:55.240 I don't know, it, you know, it's kind of like a little common sense guide, you know, it's,

00:22:59.920 uh, and it sort of, uh, yeah, just, it was easy to do when you just think about

00:23:07.960 wanting your kids to grow up and be good people, you know? And what, what am I, what am I trying to

00:23:16.400 say to them? And what am I failing to say to them half the time? You know? And then when you think

00:23:21.040 about that, you're like, okay, I can do this, you know? How involved in sports were you as a child?

00:23:27.000 You know, obviously acting and, and theater was a big part of your childhood. You said you

00:23:31.400 participated in school plays for me, sports, namely football, uh, some baseball, a little

00:23:37.700 wrestling here and there were a huge aspect of my life and very instrumental in the lives of my four

00:23:42.540 kids as well. Yeah. Um, sports was always a big part of my life. I, you know, a five foot six white

00:23:51.360 dude, I'm not half bad at basketball and sports and, you know, like, and you know, I'm like a sort

00:23:58.460 of Rudy except a chubby Rudy. So like, you wouldn't think I'd be okay, but I actually can

00:24:04.160 handle myself pretty well. I got a pretty sweet jump shot, no step Curry, but you know, uh, so I've

00:24:11.260 always been good, like basketball, baseball. I never got into soccer too much, but even soccer,

00:24:17.140 like I can play, you know, I can, I can throw a football around. I can, uh, I can catch. And

00:24:22.620 that's, that's what I've always told my wife is important to me with the boys is like, I took

00:24:28.820 karate, you know, I never, I didn't become a black belt. I was a boy scout. I didn't become an Eagle

00:24:35.460 scout. I didn't like, you know, kind of do all these things, but I did everything. And obviously you

00:24:44.300 find your passion at some point. And when you find your passion, you need to do that full throttle.

00:24:49.680 My passion has been acting. Uh, and I, I have put everything into that and, you know, producing and

00:24:55.860 that sort of thing, but at least in your early, and this is kind of to that point, that full,

00:25:00.500 those formative years, you have to have sports in your life. You have to get coordinated. You can't

00:25:05.620 be like tripping over your own feet. And you know, this is going to help you with everything. It's

00:25:11.060 going to help you with girls, even though I was terrible at that, but you know, it just helps

00:25:14.920 with everything in life to be a coordinated, uh, sporty person, you know, for men and women,

00:25:23.300 like these, the, and man, some of these girls, it's crazy how good they are at sports, but like, 1.00

00:25:29.900 it just, no matter what, you're going to be able to accomplish things better. And, you know, I was on

00:25:35.380 another podcast and we were just talking about like being able to fix things around my house. I can do

00:25:39.460 that. You know, something breaks, I can fix it. I'm not useless to my wife in those scenarios.

00:25:44.200 You know, she gives me a hard time when I go too far and she's like, maybe just call someone for

00:25:48.260 this. And I don't. And then eventually I end up doing it anyway, but you know, I can, I can fix a

00:25:53.900 broken window. I can, you know, fix a pipe that's leaking. I can, you know, and the, I think those are

00:25:58.900 important things that not a lot of people can do these days. And it's showing it's, it's showing in

00:26:05.380 this new generation. It is interesting because we do live in such a relative ease and comfort

00:26:13.100 that we can just call somebody and we can just outsource these things. And, you know, sometimes

00:26:17.600 to your point, that makes sense because I know, well, if you're like me, the project ends up taking

00:26:22.700 two or three times as long costs two or three times as much. And then I end up having to hire

00:26:27.040 anybody anyway. So I guess you could make the case that it makes sense to do that, but it's good.

00:26:31.780 I like what you said about being useful. It's good to be too far, but you know, fix a little

00:26:37.440 thing here and there and yeah, be useful to your family and, you know, change a time. You said that

00:26:43.500 you have to, you know, sure. Yeah. You said that your passion is acting and you obviously learned

00:26:51.160 this at an early age. What elements of acting really stand out to you? What is it that, that

00:26:56.280 you enjoy so much about it? I like making people laugh. Hmm. I, I, I, you know, or feel emotion

00:27:04.400 or cry or, you know, that's what I love about social media, you know, because I can just, it's

00:27:12.600 just me in the audience. It's just, you know, there's no, no one in between. There's no one

00:27:17.280 telling me what to do. No one, no, no one approving. If I got the part, uh, it's just,

00:27:23.380 I'm able to make people laugh and, and that's what I want to do, you know? Um, and, uh, yeah.

00:27:31.460 So I think that probably is the biggest part of it. I like to entertain. I like to create

00:27:38.880 things that, you know, people like to watch. Yeah.

00:27:44.240 Yeah. Man, I'm going to step away from the conversation just real quickly. Um, I need

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00:28:48.380 themensforge.com. You can do that right after the show for now. Let's get back to it with Patrick.

00:28:54.840 Well, you certainly do that. You said that in your twenties, you stepped away or maybe not fully

00:29:00.560 stepped away, but step back a little bit from acting. I think your career was on an upward

00:29:04.740 trajectory. And then all of a sudden we just didn't see as much. Was that deliberate? And

00:29:09.860 why was that the case? Yeah, I think I started getting into, you know, in my, I started,

00:29:20.720 I luckily didn't dive too much into the drugs. I wasn't a big drug user, but, you know, I definitely

00:29:30.580 partied in my late teens and early twenties and just, I didn't like the way that it made

00:29:37.680 me feel. And I was sort of living to just party, you know, and I would do movies to just party.

00:29:44.380 You know, I remember I did a movie in Canada and it was all 20 year olds and it was the best,

00:29:50.620 my, it was my favorite filming experience because we just partied the whole time, you know,

00:29:55.160 but I don't know how my performance was, you know? So I started to lose sight of what you just asked,

00:30:02.300 why do you want to be an actor to entertain? I started to lose sight of that a little bit.

00:30:07.480 And I think, you know, I think also I wanted to settle down and find

00:30:15.440 the partner to, you know, spend the rest of my life with and I wanted a family. And so I found

00:30:23.300 that person and heard I did some nonprofit stuff for a few years and got kind of heavy into that.

00:30:28.820 And that was very rewarding for us. And then we had kids and, you know, little kids is a lot,

00:30:36.720 you know? And I do know, but then I had to support them. So then I was like, okay, time to get back

00:30:42.120 into acting. This is what I know. So, you know, having kids jump me back into it. And, you know,

00:30:48.060 cause I lived lean with my wife. We were married for 10 years before we had kids. I had,

00:30:52.760 we had one car, we had a little apartment in Hollywood. I didn't care, you know? But now

00:30:57.060 I want to give my kids everything. And so jumping back into it, I want to, you know, support them and

00:31:03.460 financially, but also just being able to do things. So I think that, that inspired me to get

00:31:11.120 back into it. Like writing the book, like, you know, kids inspire you to do everything.

00:31:14.640 Right. Um, so, uh, that, that was kind of my jumpstart and, uh, my oldest son was born in 2017.

00:31:23.700 And I kind of jumped back into 2018, 2019, something like that.

00:31:31.120 How do you, how do you find the balance when, I mean, I'm sure you're in, this is probably a weird

00:31:37.400 thing for you. I, I'm sure people look at you and think your life is just perfect and you've got

00:31:41.900 everything handed to you on a silver platter and you've got as much wealth and prosperity and

00:31:46.520 opportunity as you want. And I imagine that's just not true. Um, but also there is probably some

00:31:52.820 access. Oh, go ahead. I always loved looking at my net worth on the internet before I, you know,

00:31:58.400 when I was just with my wife and alone, I was like, Oh really? I ain't worth that. No way.

00:32:02.800 You're like, when do I see that money? I'd love to see that.

00:32:05.680 Listen, I've always been able to support myself acting. So in that sense, uh, it has been,

00:32:14.300 I have been blessed for that. Like that, that is very cool. And I'm, I don't take that for granted.

00:32:20.980 Um, when my youngest was born, you know, I looked at having to, you know, I've always done fine. I'm

00:32:29.060 not, you know, but I, Hey, I'm no, you know, no Ryan Reynolds, you know, I'm not worth $500 million.

00:32:36.340 But when I had my youngest kid, that's when I got into producing. Um, because I've always been a

00:32:43.120 really organized guy. And like I said, my college was the movie sets. So I know it, this is, I know

00:32:49.180 the world of movies and TV. And, um, so producing and creating this production company was an easy

00:32:55.720 pivot for me and it still has to do with acting and I can still act. So, um, that was sort of my

00:33:04.240 solution to that. But yeah, Hey, no one has it easy. You know, no one has it easy. I was just

00:33:11.080 driving by the Kardashian billboard and, you know, I was looking at them and, you know, people can say

00:33:17.660 what they want about them, but man, they know what they're doing. You know, I mean, they have built an

00:33:23.040 empire, that family and they're, they're, they're providing something that people want. So even they

00:33:30.740 don't have it easy. You know, nobody has it. We're all living here on planet earth and we're trying

00:33:34.680 to do the best we can. Um, and, and I think, you know, that's, it's a good upbringing. I don't want

00:33:41.380 to hand things on a silver platter to my kids either. They need to work for it. They need to earn it, but

00:33:45.720 you don't want to go too far either. Cause I've seen people go too far on that. I mean, it's just,

00:33:50.300 there's a happy, happy medium to everything. I think. Yeah. That's, that's, that was the next

00:33:55.840 question I wanted to ask is how do you find that balance between, cause this is something that I

00:34:01.460 struggle with too, you know, I've done fairly well financially. And so the opportunities that I can

00:34:06.000 afford to my kids is significantly greater than the opportunities I had as a child. Yeah. But I'm

00:34:11.400 trying to find that balance of letting them find their own way, but also providing opportunities for

00:34:17.040 them to develop skills, make connections, all the things that I think set them up on the right path,

00:34:24.460 but not give them too much. Yeah. I don't know how I find that balance. I crossed my fingers.

00:34:31.380 I mean, that's the, that's a million dollar question. I, I said on something else, I call myself a C plus

00:34:39.220 B minus dad, because I'm not half bad, but I definitely have a lot to learn. And, you know, we,

00:34:45.180 my wife and I are just learning, you know, we just started implementing chores and paying them.

00:34:50.600 Cause I was like, we're buying these kids too much stuff. That's it. They got to buy it themselves.

00:34:54.200 And it's the best thing we ever did. They water the plants that they'll clean the car. They do this

00:34:58.040 and we give them a buck here, a buck there. They put it in their safe. And then when they, you know,

00:35:02.260 they bought a little marble run together with their 35 bucks. And, you know, I think giving them that

00:35:09.440 concept has been something really strong, but I mean, we've been parents for almost eight years

00:35:15.000 now and we're just learning that. So, you know, patients, some, I'm, I'm still learning

00:35:21.580 patients. I don't have it all the time, you know, but I think, I think forgiveness for yourself and,

00:35:27.820 you know, give it, cutting yourself a little slack is important too, you know, because we're just

00:35:33.340 trying to do our best here. You said your, your mom and dad split when you were young. It sounds like

00:35:40.000 maybe your dad stayed on the East coast and then your mom moved, you and your mom moved. Do you have

00:35:44.460 siblings or is it just, just you? It's me, only child. Yeah. So you and your mom moved to the West

00:35:49.700 coast. How did your childhood for better and worse shape the way that you parent now? And even I'd like

00:35:57.080 to hear about the relationship you have with your father. Cause you said, even in that, that geographical

00:36:01.620 distance, it sounds like you're still fairly close. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he, he and I agree. He actually

00:36:08.640 is out here staying with me with his wife right now. Um, they're helping us cause my wife's pregnant. 0.97

00:36:14.040 So, uh, we're calling it. Yeah. We're calling in, uh, the family help right now to write as I promote

00:36:21.620 this book and stuff. Um, but yeah, my relationship with my dad is great. My parent, both my parents

00:36:27.580 remarried pretty soon after they split and they've been with those people since. So it's not like I had

00:36:33.920 to experience them bouncing around in the dating scene, which I watched some people deal with and

00:36:38.600 that's tough. Like I have close friends that are single dads and they're on the dating scene. And

00:36:43.060 I'm like, oof, that's, that's tough for kids, I think. And tough for the parents. Um, so it, it wasn't,

00:36:51.640 you know, I, I don't have a sob story to say on that. My, I think my parents nailed it. They did it as

00:36:56.520 best as they could. And, um, they've always been close and they've never really talked smack about the

00:37:01.280 other one. Um, so I've, I've been lucky on that. You know, it was hard when I, when I first heard

00:37:08.680 it, I remember, you know, that was a difficult time for me, but, uh, I think they did it as good

00:37:14.660 as they could. Yeah. Well, that's good. I know that geographical distance can obviously create

00:37:20.280 risks in a relationship and create fractions and splinters and everything else that make it hard

00:37:26.140 to stay connected. I had that with my dad when I was growing up, we weren't that far apart,

00:37:30.800 but far enough where I really only saw him in the summers and that made it very difficult to be

00:37:35.940 close, you know? Yeah. That's about, you know, I, I would visit my dad a couple of times a year

00:37:42.320 because it was cross country. Um, you know, I would just fly out there, got used to airplanes.

00:37:47.600 Um, but it, I'd be lying if I said it, it wasn't, it was easy. You know, I definitely missed him and

00:37:54.480 that, that was tough, but, um, I having kids and grandkids, I think has been really cool to bring

00:38:02.960 everyone back together. You know, it's kind of unites the family again, which has been nice.

00:38:08.320 Yeah. Now you, you've made a pivot recently into this production company. Tell me a little bit about

00:38:14.480 what that, what that process all entails. I mean, production, when I, as a layman, when I think that,

00:38:19.980 I think you're, you're the one, you know, making the movies, organizing, bringing the right people

00:38:25.240 in, putting them in the right places, hiring the directors and actors and all that sort of thing.

00:38:30.800 Uh, is there more to it? What, what else goes into that?

00:38:33.680 Yeah. So, I mean, I, I, I kind of have two production companies, the one I've been doing

00:38:38.280 for four years, which is partnered with this marketing company, Studio three. And we do,

00:38:43.740 I have a 10 person team and, uh, we do about 20 shoots a month for, you know, their 500 clients,

00:38:53.620 500 plus clients. So we'll, we have teams that'll fly out and they're smaller shoots. We do commercials.

00:38:59.660 We'll do some medium sized commercials and things like that. And, you know, I just kind of executive

00:39:04.380 produce that. And, um, there we have shooters and we'll do, we do some photo shoots and things like

00:39:10.480 that. Um, and you know, I have some, like I said, a 10 person team and a close friend of mine is that,

00:39:18.260 you know, does a lot of the creative on it. And we work with the creative director over at the

00:39:22.620 marketing company. So it's a cool process. And then recently we started Hamino media, which is,

00:39:29.640 um, the one I brought in my really good friend for, and that's more traditional Hollywood stuff.

00:39:37.460 So we're, we're developing a few things. We have something with MLB that we're working on something

00:39:42.400 with Dolph Digest, a couple of shows with blind mill, which is chip and join a gains production

00:39:47.600 company. Um, we're, we were working with these really talented Hollywood writers to develop a TV

00:39:54.580 show. That would be great. And a lot of the stuff I'd probably star in, um, we have, uh, uh, an agreement

00:40:01.240 with Thomas Tessier, who's a horror writer, uh, from out of Connecticut. He's an award-winning horror

00:40:06.380 writer and we're, uh, he has an anthology series called world of hurt. And we're going to turn

00:40:12.860 that we're going to take three of the stories and make a film out of it. And I would star in each

00:40:17.360 of the stories as somewhat different. So I'm really excited about that one too. Um, so again,

00:40:22.080 we just started, I'm going to start a podcast. Um, I have some fun stuff on YouTube and that

00:40:27.480 ambient on media is going to do all that stuff. Um, but we're kind of in the beginning stages of all

00:40:32.260 that. So we have the traditional, you know, fun Hollywood stuff. And then we have our kind of

00:40:37.240 bread and butter, uh, industrial type shoots. It's, uh, it's always interesting when I hear from

00:40:44.040 men who they don't complain necessarily, but they're, they, they envy a person who finds a level

00:40:52.400 of success in their professional aspirations. And I'm always amazed as I talk with men like yourself

00:40:58.340 and 550 other men. I think I've talked with at this point on the podcast that it seems like

00:41:04.380 it's always in a vein of, I don't want to say being in the right place at the right time, but

00:41:09.480 like having access to something that speaks to you and then diving in deeper and working on these

00:41:16.400 little ancillary projects and spinoffs and different trails and paths in the same arena

00:41:24.520 as the thing that they grew up knowing. Yeah. That's why I've tried to stay in that same arena

00:41:30.100 because it is what I'm really good at and it is my passion and what I know the best, you know, like

00:41:37.000 it's like a pro basketball player becoming a professional coach. Like, why wouldn't you,

00:41:41.920 you know, it makes sense. Right. Obviously if you have passion for other things, do it, but

00:41:46.340 it's just been kind of a seamless transition for me. And I'm definitely learning new, new things.

00:41:52.840 I mean, producing is not something I knew how to do and I know how to do it a lot more, but I've

00:41:57.480 enjoyed staying in the same world. Have you, uh, you talked about these three horror films or shorts,

00:42:05.140 whatever they end up being. Um, are you, have you done horror before as an actor? Yeah, I've done a

00:42:10.160 couple. They're fun. I like them. I hate watching horror. I'm a chicken. I get too scared, but I love

00:42:17.220 acting because you got to do all the gory stuff, but you know, you're surrounded by people. So it's

00:42:22.640 not frightening. Right. I had, that's, that's a good point. Cause I see some movies and I'm like,

00:42:28.340 that would be terrifying. Even if you're an actor, it would be terrifying in the scene or in the,

00:42:34.420 in the moment of what they're at, knowing that it's completely made up really. Okay.

00:42:38.220 Uh, I'll tell you the scare, the most I've ever been freaked out in my career was I did a pilot

00:42:45.080 for NBC years ago and I had a, a prosthetic head. So you really didn't know it was me very much,

00:42:52.200 but I had to get a whole head task and I went out to like Van Nuys and to some random dude's house

00:42:59.680 house. And it was in his garage and he had like masks hanging all over the wall. This is somewhere

00:43:05.520 you go to get murdered. I don't know why it was a big network show. I don't know why we were at,

00:43:10.640 I went, I had plenty of money. Anyway, I went to this house to get my head cast. And as the things

00:43:16.300 over my head and I'm breathing through a straw, I'm like, if I could, if he, if a chainsaw starts up,

00:43:22.080 that's it, I'm done. Like I had no way of defending myself. He could cut my head off at any moment.

00:43:26.720 So I got a little freaked out in that moment, but other than that, no, I've been fine on set.

00:43:32.900 That's not true. Hold on. I filmed the movie in an abandoned hospital and, um, we were only in parts

00:43:41.220 of it. So to really freak ourselves out, me and the cast would go into the vacant parts. That was

00:43:47.120 terrifying because it was like psychiatric wards where, you know, just tons of torture had happened

00:43:52.560 and you're like, ah, this is awful. Just a feeling of just uneasiness. It sounds like terrible,

00:43:59.520 terrible. Um, I know your, your boys are young and it sounds like you have one on the way.

00:44:06.060 Congratulations on that. Um, how much of a girl? Oh, okay. That's a, that's a whole different world. 0.90

00:44:11.120 So I've got, I've got four. So a boy, boy, then a girl, same order as you. And then a boy on the end

00:44:17.260 as well. So it's, it's a lot, man. Girls are interesting and difficult. Um, how much of the

00:44:27.480 world do you anticipate introducing your, your sons and daughter to, is this something that

00:44:33.560 you want them to be involved? You want them to find their own path? Obviously it's something

00:44:38.460 you're passionate about. Would you be encouraged, encouraging them to be involved as well?

00:44:42.600 If that's what they want to do, I'll support them in anything they want to do, you know,

00:44:48.640 as long as it's legal about like, right. Sure. Yeah. Whatever, whatever path they choose,

00:44:54.260 I'll support them. Um, yeah. So I, I guess it's up to them, you know? Yeah. Well, it sounds

00:45:03.360 like the opportunities there. I, I know that sometimes, um, we, as fathers attempt to live vicariously

00:45:10.140 through our children, you know, maybe we didn't get our childhood exactly the way we wish we would

00:45:15.040 have and hope that they can have better. I think it comes from good intentions, but to me, I think

00:45:19.900 the direction you're going is, Hey, if they want to be involved, great. If not, they want to find

00:45:23.480 their own path. That's good too. Yeah, totally. I mean, I, you know, I would love to kind of

00:45:31.900 show them the ropes and, and teach them what I've, I've learned, but, uh, you know, that you have to

00:45:39.160 be passionate about it. Acting is not easy and it's a lot of, you know, it's a lot of work and

00:45:45.560 rejection. And I mean, what George Clooney did like 20 pilots before he became George Clooney and

00:45:50.900 got ER, you know? So like the amount of times that guy failed and that's like kind of a cool thing

00:45:56.580 in the book, I talk about that commercial, that Michael Jordan, that one, where he says how many

00:46:02.320 shots he's missed, how many game winning shots he's missed, how many games he's lost. And, you know,

00:46:07.060 it really puts it in perspective. You have to, um, you have to be willing to, you know,

00:46:16.480 use, take that defeat and use it to strengthen you for moving forward, you know, then acting is,

00:46:24.720 is, you know, no stranger to defeat, you know?

00:46:30.160 Well, it's interesting. I mean, we, as, we, as the public and consumers of the movies and TV shows

00:46:35.600 that we watch, see the final product and everything's produced and looks wonderful and has the

00:46:39.820 right lighting and music and everything else. And we think, oh, well, this would be so fun to act.

00:46:45.260 And I'm sure there's moments of fun, but I'm also fairly certain 90% of it is sitting around and

00:46:52.480 waiting and rehearsing lines and doing the same scene, you know, a thousand times before it's

00:46:58.680 done just right. I bet there's a lot of grueling work that goes into it outside of just reading a

00:47:04.600 line to perfection. Yeah, it's tough. And then, you know, you could be waiting around all day

00:47:10.260 to then only have an hour left in the day before they go to overtime. And now you have to do this huge

00:47:16.660 scene in one hour and it's, you know, and you've got limited time. You've got to nail it in two

00:47:21.840 takes. So it's definitely stressful. It's not, it, but Hey, you're, it's also, you know, it's all,

00:47:29.960 it is fun though. And it's, it's definitely a cool job. You know, it's like, you can't complain if

00:47:35.640 you're a basketball player, you have a, yeah, you work hard and you can't complain if you're an actor,

00:47:40.480 you work hard, but you got to, it's a cool job. You know, it's not, it's not manual labor, you know,

00:47:46.280 like that, that, I mean, that stuff's tough. You know, I've done some of it. My, I grew up,

00:47:52.520 my stepdad's a general contractor. So I, I've helped him on, on job sites and, you know, done a bunch of

00:48:00.040 things. And that's, that's the stuff that's tough, you know? Yeah. It's hard work. How do you,

00:48:05.760 how do you see, um, obviously you've been inside Hollywood for a long time. How has it changed

00:48:11.720 over the past 30 plus years since you really got into the scene? Have you seen notable changes and

00:48:19.660 are they positive, negative? How do you feel about it? Uh, I mean, listen, post COVID, a lot of negative,

00:48:30.540 um, you know, a lot of, a lot of Hollywood has moved out of Hollywood, um, which is a shame,

00:48:38.060 you know, LA is definitely needs a pick me up, um, and it needs to get some of that back here.

00:48:46.540 Definitely some positive. There's more opportunity for everyone. It's, you know, you, what might be a

00:48:52.940 negative for, you know, when I was starting out in Hollywood, I kind of got in and I was sort of in,

00:48:59.040 you know what I mean? Like, I did voiceovers. I was on short lists. You didn't have an iPhone to

00:49:07.020 record everything. So I would get more calls. Um, and this also might've been one of the reasons I

00:49:13.520 kind of stopped with digital advancements. It opened the world up to everyone. So to say that

00:49:20.660 that's not positive though. I mean, there's more talent you would, it's like opening up the NBA

00:49:26.060 because you, you know, there's hidden talent out in various countries that nobody knows about

00:49:32.520 and they should be playing. So it's, it is positive large and on a larger scale, personally,

00:49:40.900 it may make it more difficult, but Hey, you know, it's not all about one of us, you know? So I would

00:49:45.840 say generally speaking, there's, there's positive moves, you know? Um, and, and there's negatives there.

00:49:52.060 There's some things that go too far, um, you know, changes that, that, you know, you, you want to fix

00:50:00.840 one thing and then you implement a change and it affects everything. You know, like, you know,

00:50:05.180 you just needed to fix that one thing, relax. So there's things like, you know, like that, but

00:50:10.640 it's, it's hard to not think that this generation has more opportunity than the one before. You know,

00:50:17.360 I I'd like to think that it's generally for the better. Yeah. I mean, I, from where I sit, I,

00:50:24.080 I would agree. You know, I'm, I'm in entertainment. I'm not an actor by any stretch of the imagination or

00:50:29.920 anything like that, but this opportunity of having a conversation with you and the other guests that

00:50:34.860 I've had on would not be possible 30 years ago. I'd never would have imagined this would be the case.

00:50:39.020 No, you're, you do a podcast and you would have had to have been Johnny Carson to like,

00:50:43.860 there, there was a few talk shows. I mean, that's what this is. This podcast are radio shows,

00:50:49.740 but they're, you know, run by you and the people decided they like it. And that's pretty sweet,

00:50:55.840 you know? Yeah. When you think about the future of Hollywood and your role in it as an actor,

00:51:02.360 as a producer, um, are there things that you would like to see change or that you're working on

00:51:09.080 the general direction of media and entertainment? Uh, you know, I think

00:51:19.580 AI is terrifying, but I think it also can be really great. You know, um, I think there are

00:51:30.700 real big benefits of it. So I'd like to, it's kind of like, I'd like to see everything used

00:51:35.680 correctly and appropriately and to, you know, to do more good than bad. Um, I think that's,

00:51:42.960 that's something I think about a lot, like, how is this going to play out? You know? Um,

00:51:48.280 so I guess what, what I would hope for in the future is that there's still a place for all of us

00:51:53.200 and we don't push ourselves out of a job, you know? But I think the trick is to just embrace

00:52:00.120 things like social media, as opposed to shying away from them. You know, I embrace it. I use it

00:52:08.980 to entertain, not to, you know, suck people in for hours and hours and hours and not experience the

00:52:16.040 real world. So I like to think that, you know, the, those sort of the, you know, the, the nuances

00:52:23.720 about those things are positive and the way that I handle them. Yeah. Yeah. It is funny when people

00:52:30.320 don't embrace new technology, those are the first people to go. You know, I, I was in the financial

00:52:35.160 planning industry for a lot of years and I saw a lot of guys who'd been around for 20, 30, 40 years

00:52:40.980 that would not embrace technology. I'm like, okay, that's fine. You're either going to have to retire

00:52:45.320 or get left in the dust. Cause it's changing whether you want it to or not.

00:52:49.420 And that's exactly my point is like, or hire someone that embraces it for you, you know,

00:52:56.960 like, sure. Either way, it's gotta be bring it into your team though, because yeah, you're right.

00:53:02.060 Like if, if you're archaic or go live in the sticks, because you know, I went to the little 0.95

00:53:07.820 league world series and you drive through Pennsylvania and some of these cities you go

00:53:12.620 through, you're like, I don't even know if the internet's here. This is so remote. Like,

00:53:15.740 yeah, but there's something really, um, attractive and endearing about those places. You're just

00:53:21.440 like, wow, this is their 10 years behind here, but that's kind of cool. So like go live in that

00:53:26.880 place. Then don't, don't live LA. You're not going to embrace technology. Yeah. I was listening

00:53:34.080 to a podcast or something the other day and that whoever it was presented this interesting idea. And I

00:53:40.640 don't know, I don't know how accurate this is, or if it'll even come to fruition, but their

00:53:44.740 prediction was that at some point we'd be able to sit on our couch and say, I'd like to have a

00:53:50.260 movie based on Sandlot starring Patrick and these actors and actresses, and here is a general

00:53:58.280 overview. And then AI would just go ahead and just create the movie for us in real time. And we could

00:54:04.800 just watch it right there on the screen or projector or whatever it would be at that point.

00:54:09.000 Yeah. Listen, if that happens, cool. I hope it's just sort of, um, I hope that it doesn't take over

00:54:19.140 true movie making and that it's more like a novelty, you know, that would be my hope for that stuff

00:54:26.240 because otherwise then AI is just doing it for us. I don't know. That's just wild to me,

00:54:35.480 but I'm, I'm sure they're not wrong. You know, sure. They're not wrong.

00:54:40.300 Well, I also think being able to engage in, in this case, you know, my, my job interviewing,

00:54:46.320 having these conversations, your job acting, producing. Yeah. Maybe you can make the argument

00:54:52.560 that certain aspects of our job can be done better by a computer, but the thing that it can't do is

00:54:57.880 create a sense of purpose and fulfillment for us. Like I'm fulfilled when I do this work and you

00:55:02.600 sound fulfilled when you do your work. That's right. And that's the only thing I hope that we

00:55:07.060 don't lose sight of, you know, again, for it to be a novelty and be fun. That's great. Sure. I don't

00:55:13.900 make it and get a laugh, but it can't replace Hollywood. And, uh, I don't think, and I hope that it,

00:55:23.300 you know, I hope that it doesn't. Well, Patrick, I'm glad we could have this conversation. If you let

00:55:29.380 the people know where to connect with you and obviously pick up a copy of the book, I've got

00:55:33.300 my, uh, pre-release version right here. I've read it to my kids already. It's awesome. So I'm glad

00:55:38.640 this is called unwritten rules of baseball in life. Um, where does everybody don't go to connect

00:55:42.820 with you? Yeah, I'm, I'm on social media at Patrick right on pretty much everything. Uh,

00:55:47.760 Instagram, Tik TOK. I started him being on media.com. So website would be up soon. And, uh, yeah,

00:55:53.840 get, uh, the unwritten rules to baseball in life, little sluggers guide to the unwritten rules of

00:55:58.800 baseball in life. Um, hang on random house. I mean, you can get it on Amazon, a bunch of different

00:56:03.980 places comes out February 25th and, um, my kind of promotion tour started today. So I'm excited.

00:56:12.620 Awesome. Well, we'll sync everything up. I appreciate you. Like you said earlier,

00:56:16.520 you've been in our house for years and years and years, whether you knew it or not. And, uh,

00:56:20.620 really glad to be able to have this conversation. Appreciate you. Thanks, man. This was fun.

00:56:26.900 Man. There you go. The one and only Patrick Renna. I really enjoyed the opportunity to speak

00:56:31.060 with Patrick and he was gracious enough to send a video to my kids as well, because as he said in

00:56:36.840 the podcast and the conversation that he's spent time in people's living rooms and nobody even knew

00:56:42.240 it. So, um, it's very cool to be able to have somebody like this on the show. And I hope that you

00:56:48.360 guys, especially if you have young kids, pick up a copy of his book, unwritten rules of baseball in

00:56:53.080 life. I've been reading this. Uh, I read about three to four to five unwritten rules every night

00:56:59.000 when my kids are with me, my two youngest in particular, and it's nice just to lay on the

00:57:03.320 couch or on the bed and read this book. And, uh, there's a lot of great lessons that have proven

00:57:08.780 to create some talking points and, um, powerful discussions with my kids as well. So pick it up.

00:57:13.860 It's called unwritten rules of baseball in life. Follow Patrick on the gram on X. I think he's very

00:57:21.060 active on, uh, tick tock as well. I is tick tock is the thing still. I don't know. I know at one

00:57:25.960 point it was going away and then it wasn't. And then it was, so I'm not really sure if you're over

00:57:30.260 there, you can check it out. Um, outside of that, make sure you, uh, check out the men's forge

00:57:35.760 again at the men's forge.com. And that's may 1st through the 4th, 2025. We only have 200 spots

00:57:41.840 available and tickets are starting to move fairly quickly. So we'd love to have you at that

00:57:46.840 inaugural event, the men's forge.com. All right, guys, those are your marching orders. We will

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Order of Man - February 25, 2025

PATRICK RENNA ｜ The Unwritten Rules to Baseball and Life

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