Order of Man - November 13, 2019


Porn and Masculinity, Financial Planning for New Fathers, and Serving in the Community ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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video podcasting and community involvement porn and masculinity pornography addiction movement financial planning Movember movement
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Ryan Michler
Mentioned
Ryan Mickler Rennie Andrea Mitchell Clay Adar Cody Michael Rivero Travis Mills Zurich Meraz Joe Allen David Palmer Sam Johnson Say Mickler Will Luna K Mickler CJ Vanek Brandon Brecken Tyler Kings Idiot and 4 more
We Don't Rise to the Level of our Expectations, We Fall to the Level of our Training ｜ JAMES YEAGER Prepare or Die ｜ FRIDAY FIELD NOTES

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In this episode, we talk about the snowstorm that hit us in the early morning hours of December 18th, and how we dealt with it. We also answer some of your questions and talk about some of the things we've been up to the past week.

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00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart
00:00:05.000 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.
00:00:10.440 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who
00:00:17.220 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,
00:00:22.800 you can call yourself a man. Okay, what's going on, man? Not much. It's an early morning for us.
00:00:29.560 For the YouTubers, they'll be like, what's going on with these guys' cameras? A little dark.
00:00:34.520 Yeah, it's a little darker than normal. It's amazing to me how dark it gets so early. I think
00:00:38.940 my wife and I and kids were out yesterday at around 4.30, and it was starting to get dark.
00:00:45.760 It gets dark early up here. Yeah, you might as well be moved to Alaska or something.
00:00:50.980 Yeah, the last outpost, essentially. When we were here last year, we came out in December of last year,
00:00:59.560 my wife and I. It was our first visit to Maine. It was my second visit to Maine, and that's when
00:01:03.620 we put an offer in on our property. I had met with Travis Mills, who I had on the podcast.
00:01:10.620 Yeah.
00:01:11.340 We went in there. It must have been 1 o'clock or so, somewhere in there. We came out at 4,
00:01:18.520 4.30, and it was pitch black by that time. It's going to continue to get darker earlier,
00:01:25.140 and that's an adjustment. We just had our first snowfall. My kids were funny because
00:01:29.380 they actually liked shoveling snow last night. I'm like, man, I better enjoy this while I can
00:01:35.800 because it won't be long before this just wears out and is not a fun thing for them at all.
00:01:41.120 Yeah, two weeks later.
00:01:42.560 I don't even know if they'll make it that long, but we'll see. Right now, I'm enjoying the fact
00:01:47.300 that they don't mind pushing snow off the deck and off the driveway and stairs, so we'll take
00:01:51.560 advantage of it while we can.
00:01:53.020 That's funny.
00:01:54.360 Yeah. I see you've got your puffy coat on there. It must be cold up there in Salt Lake, too.
00:01:59.700 I am actually in Nashville.
00:02:02.420 Oh, you are?
00:02:03.060 Last night, yeah. I'm only an hour away from you now.
00:02:07.040 Yeah. Yeah, it's freezing. It's actually really cold. It snowed last night, and then the roads
00:02:12.980 are all icy or whatever. Talking about the way things look, so I may wince a little bit. I popped
00:02:20.200 a rib out last week, and so you can't be as funny as you normally are, Ryan, because laughing hurts.
00:02:28.420 I'll try to refrain from telling jokes and making you laugh too hard.
00:02:32.060 Yeah, yeah.
00:02:32.760 That's what everybody knows me for.
00:02:34.040 Sure. Maybe try to be a little bit more serious and straightforward and joking around.
00:02:39.080 Fair enough. Fair enough. Well, hey, man, I know you're on a time crunch here and a deadline,
00:02:45.020 so let's just jump into it as quickly as we can. I know we've got a lot of questions from our
00:02:49.180 Facebook group, and we want to answer those to the best of our ability and get to as many as possible.
00:02:54.180 So, guys, if you're listening for the first time, that's exactly what we're doing. We're fielding
00:02:58.440 questions from you. It's our goal to give you the best answers that we can, make up what we need to,
00:03:04.580 and that's a joke, by the way, Kit. You're supposed to laugh at that one.
00:03:07.900 I'm not laughing. I told you. I have a hurt rib, so.
00:03:11.200 And if we don't know the answer, in all seriousness, if we don't know the answer,
00:03:15.220 we'll let you know we don't know the answer. We don't have this all figured out. We're on the path
00:03:18.300 the same as you. So let's get after it this morning.
00:03:21.400 I love it. All right. So these guys are from Facebook. To join us there, facebook.com slash group
00:03:26.940 slash order of man. Our first question, Brandon stole. Have you ever thought about do, and I
00:03:33.300 laughed at this at first when I first read it. Have you ever thought about doing a video podcast?
00:03:37.160 And I'm thinking, um, we thought about it once and then we nixed it and yeah. Yeah. And we're on
00:03:42.300 YouTube. However, he's talking about a different technology says, I know there are YouTube channels,
00:03:46.860 but it would be nice to watch the video on the Apple podcast app. So maybe there's a little bit
00:03:53.440 of a, something different. Maybe I don't podcast. Yeah. Uh, I think there is quite honestly,
00:03:58.680 I don't know enough about it to give you an intelligent answer on that, but yeah, I think
00:04:03.660 there are video podcasts via Apple. Uh, so maybe that's something that we'll look into,
00:04:07.300 but as of right now, audio on Apple and other iTunes or excuse me, uh, podcasting platforms
00:04:12.840 and then video via YouTube. So make sure you subscribe to YouTube. We're at 80, I want to
00:04:18.780 say 89,000 subscribers right now. They're just under 90,000. It's crazy. It's, it's been blowing
00:04:24.240 up. It's awesome. Yeah. I hit refresh every about five minutes and I think it was 89, just,
00:04:28.780 you know, four minutes ago. Thank you. Thank you. So it must be 89,001 right now. Yeah.
00:04:34.720 Yeah. Anyways, guys go subscribe over there. YouTube.com slash order of man. If you want
00:04:38.600 to watch the video, that's where it is for now, but potentially, uh, we'll look into a video on
00:04:43.960 Apple, uh, podcast. Okay. Tyler cross, what capacity do you serve in the community or local
00:04:50.640 organizations? Uh, I have actually not done a whole lot, frankly speaking, within our community
00:04:56.580 up to this point, uh, with me just getting settled in, in the past, I was very, very involved
00:05:01.100 with some young men through our church. Uh, and, and I was involved with the, uh, 14 to
00:05:06.480 16 year old boys, uh, in our, in our area. And I loved it. I really, really enjoyed doing
00:05:12.900 that. Um, it was fulfilling for me. I felt like it was good for them. It was rewarding
00:05:17.340 and uplifting. And I felt, and it was very much in alignment with what we're doing here
00:05:21.140 with order of man. So I enjoyed that. I see myself getting involved in that again. I also
00:05:26.560 see myself getting involved in, uh, coaching sports again. I didn't coach my oldest son's
00:05:32.160 football team. They had everything lined out and set up. So, um, I let that take care of
00:05:36.660 itself. Of course, I went to every game. I think I did miss one, which I wasn't happy
00:05:40.100 about. Uh, but yeah, that's, that's where we'll go. I don't, somebody was asking me the
00:05:44.820 other day about politics and local politics, and I try to keep my thumb on the pulse. Although
00:05:50.720 I'm not real excited about getting into any sort of politics, even at the city council
00:05:56.300 level all the way up, it's just, it's just nasty. Uh, I don't, I don't want to pretend
00:06:01.280 that I like people. I'm not really interested in playing that game. Uh, it's just doesn't
00:06:06.380 seem like something that's very exciting to me. And I feel like I can have a greater impact
00:06:09.800 via this movement and, uh, coaching and being involved that way. Yeah. Are you going to coach
00:06:15.320 baseball in the spring? Probably. Yeah. I would like to. Uh, I think, I think my will
00:06:20.520 house would be football and baseball. Uh, I, I didn't play basketball. I got cut from
00:06:24.740 my basketball team when I was a freshman. So I don't really know much about that at
00:06:28.260 all. I, I actually, I've been thinking about wanting to get a jujitsu class together for
00:06:33.460 kids in the community, but I don't know, maybe you have some insight on this. I'm, I'm a white
00:06:38.500 belt. I don't, I don't know if I'm in the position to be able to do that or if that's
00:06:44.180 disrespectful or disingenuous. I don't know. What's your thoughts with that?
00:06:47.360 Yeah. Yeah. That's a really interesting question. I have a good friend. Um, he started his school
00:06:53.340 when he was a blue belt, I believe. Is that right? Yeah. And he's a black belt now. And,
00:06:58.620 and he obviously does it for the love of, of the, of the art. There's some, yeah. I mean,
00:07:04.300 there's some thoughts I think in the community that you should be a little bit higher up, but
00:07:07.760 like, but I think the only thing would limit you is people's perception of like, Oh, who's this guy?
00:07:12.680 But if you're volunteering your time, it's like, what are they going to complain about it anyway?
00:07:16.760 Right. You know what I mean? And if anybody does complain, it's like, cool, come join me. Help me.
00:07:20.700 Yeah. And most people that are like, I don't know. It's funny how that is, right? Like when you teach
00:07:25.780 kids classes, even at our school, it's like, I'm assuming almost all our white belts and blue belts
00:07:31.280 could teach those kids really well. Oh, for parents, but the parents are going to judge the quality of the
00:07:36.100 teaching because of the color of the belt around that guy's waist, whether they're teaching blue
00:07:40.840 belt or white belt techniques or not. Right. It's, it's more about the perception I think than
00:07:46.120 anything, but I think there's value. I, I, in my neighborhood, I've done that like self-defense
00:07:52.460 stuff for the young men all the time. That's kind of like, you know what I mean? The one thing I get
00:07:57.820 called upon to do and it's fun. I love it. I like it. I'd much rather work with the young men than,
00:08:03.040 than grown men. I don't, I don't want to spend time with adults. I want to hang out with the kids and
00:08:08.940 have fun and teach them and guide them and instruct and lead and do all the things that we know how to
00:08:12.760 do. Yeah. Yeah. Why are you more plowpable or you don't mean humble enough to actually consider
00:08:19.320 what's being taught as well? Yeah. Well, I don't know. That's a challenge sometimes too. When you
00:08:22.800 get 14 and 16 year old boys, they think they know it all. You know, it's like sometimes you just have
00:08:27.900 to kind of say, you know, shut up, sit down, listen, pay attention. I know, I know you may think you
00:08:34.220 know everything. I know you think I'm an idiot, but I've got a few more things figured out than you. 1.00
00:08:38.940 But those challenges are rewarding for me as well. So I really like working with a young man in the 0.98
00:08:43.080 community. Yeah. All right. Michael Riviera, in your opinion, of course, does watching porn affect
00:08:49.600 manhood? Does it make you more or less a man? That's an interesting question. Yeah. The way it's
00:08:57.940 yeah, I do think, I do think it's, I do think it affects manhood because at its most fundamental 0.99
00:09:06.100 level, you've just become a cuck. Like you're watching another dude have sex with an attractive 0.99
00:09:14.240 woman. So you should be working on that yourself with your wife, not watching other guys perform 0.98
00:09:22.000 those acts. And I think it paints an unrealistic and potentially damaging view of, of sex and intimacy
00:09:29.920 with a woman that you care about and are connected to. Yeah. So I don't, I don't have all the research.
00:09:36.420 I don't know all the research, but I know porn is a big problem. I know it's a big issue and I do
00:09:42.100 believe it affects your masculinity. And I do believe you put yourself in a, in a dangerous situation and
00:09:47.280 a dangerous path too, because I think pornography can open the doors and lead to a physical temptation 0.76
00:09:54.020 with another woman, whether it's a secretary or some other woman who shows you a little bit of
00:09:58.220 attention, uh, and, and threaten the commitments and bonds that you've made with your, with your
00:10:04.480 spouse. So I would just say work towards being more intimate and adventurous. And, you know, like,
00:10:12.300 here's the thing about marriage. You know, I've been married for 15 years now. I mean, let's be honest.
00:10:16.640 Sometimes it gets a little monotonous, right? And it gets a little mundane and I'm talking about
00:10:20.240 under the sheets department. So I think it's healthy to have conversations with your spouse
00:10:26.080 and talk about maybe being a little bit more adventurous or spontaneous or, or trying some
00:10:33.560 new things. Like there's nothing wrong with that. But I think if you do it in the parameters that you
00:10:38.540 and her upset, you're going to have, you're going to be much more fulfilled. It's going to be much
00:10:42.340 more healthy. Uh, and you're not going to relinquish any of that masculinity by watching another
00:10:47.160 dude, bang a, bang a woman. Like, I just, I don't think that's a healthy practice. 1.00
00:10:53.960 Yeah. Well, I think the general thought process, you know, if you look at James Allen,
00:10:59.240 right. As a man thinketh like what you think about affects you period. Definitely. Yeah. So if we just
00:11:07.200 look at this from a very simple, logical perspective, does pornography affect? Yeah, it does. What are you
00:11:13.780 thinking about? Right. Yeah. Like it's, it's going to affect who you are, how you show up, what, what
00:11:19.500 you're pondering about and, and those thoughts ultimately, ultimately lead to action. Like they
00:11:25.760 affect you. Well, it's interesting. You know, one of the things I haven't really talked about this,
00:11:30.020 but I used to have a slight pornography problem. I don't know if I would say addiction, but I did have
00:11:35.440 a problem. And one thing I noticed is that I, and this is one of the realizations I came to that
00:11:41.520 helped me stop watching porn is I would be walking down the street and I would be looking at women 1.00
00:11:48.400 differently because I was used to seeing them with their clothes off and, and, and having sex and in 0.64
00:11:55.940 that position. And so I would look at women that I'd normally wouldn't, I would look at them differently. 0.99
00:12:01.380 So of course, like you said, of course that impacts you. The, the stimulus and everything and all the
00:12:07.420 information that's going into your mind is what is producing your results. So whether it's positive
00:12:13.660 or negative, everything that's going into your brain right now, this moment is impacting you is
00:12:18.460 affecting you. Like we don't live in these vacuums where these outside influences don't happen. I know
00:12:24.460 there's this big thing of like zero Fs and I'm a, I'm my own man and whatever. Like it's great. Cool.
00:12:30.280 Sounds really tough. You sound awesome. It's just not reality. Yeah. Hmm. What's that? Uh,
00:12:37.480 sorry. What's that company? The, um, the new drug is that new drug? I think it's what it's called
00:12:43.380 the new drug. I would get up real quick, but really, really interesting movement. I haven't
00:12:48.860 like dived into it all, but like, I, I know that they end up with some statistical evidence around,
00:12:54.920 um, pornography being addictive. They compare it to drugs and they have some, a lot of analysis
00:13:01.080 around that. I, they actually showed up at my son's high school a couple of years ago and did a
00:13:07.560 presentation that, that parents could come and, and, and bring their kids with and stuff. And so
00:13:12.060 anyhow, it may be, maybe a resource to check out. Cause I, I've been intrigued by them anyway.
00:13:17.460 Yeah. It, um, it's called fight the new drug.org. And I just jumped on the site. It looks like they
00:13:24.620 have a documentary. It says a three-part documentary series, breaking down the science
00:13:27.900 and detailing personal accounts of how porn impacts the brain, the heart and the world.
00:13:32.460 So that was some good information there. Yep. All right. Tyler cross. Have you thought
00:13:38.700 about speaking at high schools, colleges across the country?
00:13:43.460 Yes, I have thought about that. I don't particularly enjoy traveling all that much. So I turned down a lot
00:13:49.320 of opportunities to speak and to travel and to do that because it would have to be very compelling for me
00:13:54.520 to do in order for me to leave my family. That's the reality. You know, I, I created this organization
00:13:59.200 and this movement to yes, help men with the tools of the resources they need to step into their
00:14:05.600 masculinity. But I also created it so that I would have the life that I wanted, which was to be home
00:14:11.580 and to be present and to be available for my wife and my kids. So yeah, I've thought about it and
00:14:17.900 I've had to throttle back a lot of my ambitions when it comes to the business, because there's other
00:14:23.400 priorities. And I've made those decisions consciously and I've acted in a way that is in
00:14:29.380 alignment with those objectives. So I don't see myself traveling to colleges and universities and
00:14:35.140 high schools spreading this message when I can do it here digitally. I can invite men out here to run
00:14:41.100 in our events and I can be here and present with my family.
00:14:45.360 I love that.
00:14:46.300 All right. Clay Adar, I'm planning on having a child within the next year. What kind of financial
00:14:53.700 plans, excuse me, should I be putting in place to prepare?
00:14:59.160 Save money because it's going to be expensive. Kids are expensive. That's the deal. 0.92
00:15:03.280 Don't do it, Clay. Don't. Stop now.
00:15:06.860 No, man. Kids are amazing. I was at, I know you are, but somebody is going to hear that and think
00:15:12.800 that that's serious because that seems to be a common trend. And I, I think it's, I don't think
00:15:18.160 it's a good thing. You know, I think children are fulfilling and rewarding and uplifting and
00:15:22.620 challenging in good ways. And man, they just bring so much light into the world. Uh, I took my kids to
00:15:27.760 the local department store, I guess you'd say. It's not really a department store, but anyways,
00:15:33.160 I took them there and we were getting to Snowfoot.
00:15:34.020 They don't have department stores in Maine.
00:15:35.240 Right.
00:15:36.000 IFA.
00:15:36.760 Right.
00:15:37.440 Just IFA.
00:15:38.580 Rennie's. That's where we took them. We took them to Rennie's.
00:15:40.620 Rennie's. Oh, that's even better.
00:15:42.280 Yeah. No, it's a, I love that store. Rennie's is awesome. Anyways, I took them into Rennie's
00:15:46.600 cause we had to get some snow stuff cause it was snowing yesterday. And, uh, where was
00:15:51.680 I going? Now I'm all distracted.
00:15:53.100 Sorry. Uh, financial plans.
00:15:54.900 Oh, kids, kids.
00:15:55.520 The life of the world.
00:15:56.460 Yeah. So, uh, we were upstairs looking at the toys and just checking it all out. And, uh,
00:16:02.040 there was a couple of workers at the stairs and they were standing there and I said, Oh,
00:16:04.960 excuse me, can we get by? And they're like, yeah. And I said, there's going to be a big
00:16:07.620 procession. Cause it was me, my wife and my four kids that had to sneak by these workers to get
00:16:11.680 downstairs. And, you know, I just thought I got this little Mickler army and how cool
00:16:15.420 it is. You know, it's challenging and frustrating at times in a struggle, but all these little
00:16:20.400 Micklers in tow is just, I love it. I love it. So congratulations for making that decision. 0.97
00:16:26.240 Uh, what would I say about getting ready, prepared for finances? Again, save as much money as you can.
00:16:32.720 Definitely, definitely pay off as much debt as you possibly can. This is going to apply whether
00:16:38.940 you're having kids or not, like get out from underneath that debt, whether it's taxes or
00:16:43.680 medical debt or consumer debt or personal loans, get out from underneath that. That's going to help
00:16:49.340 get good at budgeting and managing your cashflow. Uh, have a meeting with, I assume his wife,
00:16:55.560 have a meeting with your wife, uh, every single week about your money, what's coming in, what's
00:17:00.420 going out, where is it being spent and start getting good at recognizing where it's, it's
00:17:06.540 leaking. So imagine this when it comes to cashflow. And this is like my past life. When I'm talking
00:17:11.840 about financial planning, your cashflow is, is a pipeline. And at the beginning of that pipeline
00:17:18.140 is cashflow. It's money in from your employment or investments wherever. So that money comes in.
00:17:24.280 And at the end of that pipeline is the money out. That's your money that you get to spend
00:17:29.220 or have that's like excess. And then all along that pipeline, there's little outlet valves
00:17:34.560 that go into different payments. So that could be house payment or your car payment, uh, groceries,
00:17:40.940 entertainment, et cetera, et cetera. But all along that pipeline, there's these little cracks
00:17:46.560 in that pipe. And those little cracks are where money seeps out and you don't even recognize
00:17:51.480 it or know that it's there. So it's, it's extra expenses on entertainment and dining and being
00:17:59.480 nickeled and dimed on fees at your bank and all these little things that you don't recognize or
00:18:03.740 acknowledge that are there. And it becomes very, very inefficient. So the goal of your cashflow is
00:18:09.500 to make it as efficient as possible, meaning that you account for a hundred percent of your expenses
00:18:14.540 or your income rather. So you have a hundred percent of your income coming in and you have a place
00:18:19.080 for all of it, food, groceries, budget, entertainment, dining, mortgage payment, car payment, gas,
00:18:25.300 fuel, et cetera, et cetera. And also a place to save and invest and put money aside. It should,
00:18:31.520 you should be able to account for a hundred percent. You want a hundred percent efficiency on that cashflow.
00:18:36.780 Uh, I would also say not necessarily pertaining to money exactly, but indirectly is consider your
00:18:42.960 estate planning documents. So a will, a trust, your advanced care directives, which is your,
00:18:50.040 your healthcare instructions. Should you become incapacitated? Those things are important as well.
00:18:55.680 So I would, I would start with, with those few things, those four or five items.
00:19:00.100 Do you ever, have you ever dealt with like, uh, investments that your kids use? Like I remember
00:19:07.500 there was a thing for this, like where you could be investing so much money and then it goes, it gets
00:19:12.720 willed to your kids at the age of 18 and then they can use it. Yeah. What? I don't even know what I'm
00:19:18.380 talking about. No, there's different things. There's like 529E plans. Those are college educational
00:19:22.640 plans. There's some tax advantages for those types of things. Uh, you can also set them up an account
00:19:28.200 where it basically is their account, but you're the custodian until they reach age 18.
00:19:33.440 Yeah. I'm not going to get into all the specifics. There's pros and cons of that. If you're
00:19:37.420 interested in that, go meet with a financial advisor. Uh, and, and they'll, and if they can't
00:19:41.940 walk you through that, meet with a different financial advisor. Uh, but I would say this,
00:19:47.420 take care of yourself first. Yeah. It's amazing to me how many people I had when I was in my
00:19:53.240 financial planning practice that would come in and they would ask about these types of plans.
00:19:57.080 And I said, well, that's great. We can talk about that. Tell me about your planning. Oh, well,
00:20:01.280 we don't have any money set aside. We don't have a 401k. We don't have money. No cashflow. Yeah.
00:20:05.680 Yeah. It's like, okay, well, I appreciate that you want to take care of your kids, but if you can't
00:20:10.440 take care of yourself, you certainly can't take care of your kids. And there's all kinds of things
00:20:14.420 that your kids can, can do later. I mean, they can work, uh, they can get scholarships and grants
00:20:19.560 and loans and like worry about yourself first. And if you want to lend them some money or give them
00:20:26.340 some money from your investment accounts at some point, then you can do that. But that stuff should
00:20:31.440 be ancillary to what you're doing for yourself first. Yeah. Cool. All right. There you go, Clay.
00:20:40.720 All right. Will Luna, what can I do to get my stepdaughter, 11 years old, to be a team player 0.84
00:20:47.420 for our tribe? We are engaged with her, show up to all her activities, et cetera, but her, but her
00:20:54.280 contributions to the overall team are not there. Constant reminder on chores and tasks won't take
00:21:00.260 responsibility. Thank you gentlemen for all you do. I would say without knowing too much about the
00:21:07.640 situation that you probably ought to give her additional responsibility, give her something
00:21:14.100 to be in charge of. And you know what she's going to, yeah. And she's going to fail. And when she fails, 0.97
00:21:19.940 let her experience the full weight of the consequences of failing. Don't save her. Cause if
00:21:25.540 you save her, then it teaches her that she doesn't have to take responsibility. Is this a team? Is
00:21:30.880 this a sports team? Did I misunderstand what this is? Did he say, did he? No, I mean, no, I think it's
00:21:37.360 his, it's his stepdaughter and he's referencing their family. I'm assuming as their tribe. Right. And so
00:21:44.780 she's not being a team player in that tribe. Right. So if she can't make her bet her room,
00:21:50.160 clean her room or clean, make her bed, then she doesn't sleep on the bed. Like, like there has to 0.96
00:21:55.940 be consequences. And people, I know there's people who hear that and think, Oh, that's harsh. Yeah.
00:22:00.440 It's also okay that a child sleeps on the floor. Like I went to bed hungry a few nights because I was
00:22:07.080 being a jerk at dinner and my mom excused me from the table. Cause I wasn't being a contributing 0.98
00:22:12.140 member of the family. And so I went to bed hungry. Did I starve? No, but I went to bed hungry and I
00:22:17.980 worse. Oh, and it was still a choice. Right. People fail to realize like, Oh, how harsh you
00:22:23.600 make them sleep on the floor. No, they chose. Right. There was as long as you clearly outline
00:22:29.980 those expectations. Right. So I think when it comes to a family or a team or a tribe, like this
00:22:37.060 gentleman is saying that you give that individual responsibility and ownership, like you had said,
00:22:42.560 you clearly outline the expectations and the consequences of failing to meet those expectations.
00:22:47.980 And then you have to uphold them. That's the hardest part. You have to uphold the expectation
00:22:53.320 and the standard and, and, and tie the consequence to the action itself or the inaction so that they
00:23:00.500 realize, Oh, if I don't make my bed, I don't get to sleep in it. If I'm a jerk at the dinner table, 0.99
00:23:06.340 then I don't get to engage with the family. It's, it's gotta be uncomfortable for them. The pain 0.99
00:23:11.860 of the consequence has to be greater than the struggle of doing the thing you're asking them to do.
00:23:18.420 Yeah. I really haven't dealt with this too much. It might just be the age of my children. Cause I've
00:23:24.400 got, well, I've got an 11 year old, just like he does. So 11, eight, six, and a nine, almost nine,
00:23:29.640 six and three. And I haven't really had a problem with that. I'm thinking, I'm trying to decide if
00:23:35.020 it's a personality thing. It definitely is with my 11 year old. He's very agreeable.
00:23:38.680 So yeah, I was going to say, I think it might show up maybe, I think for, for Brecken, he might
00:23:43.880 be a little bit more easy sailing. Yes. You know what I mean? At first and your first teenager
00:23:48.720 will be your second son. Yeah. Second or my daughter. Yeah. Uh, and definitely my, my fourth,
00:23:55.360 my son, he's, he's wild. Um, so it might be a combination of their personality and how we raise
00:24:03.380 them. Yeah. Like there's, there's choices and there's consequences for your action or inaction
00:24:08.860 and you get to deal with them. Not me. They're not my consequences. Yeah. Tyler cross. Have
00:24:15.240 you considered or already gotten concealed carry insurance? Um, no, I haven't considered it. I know
00:24:22.980 that's available. Um, I actually just heard this on the radio not too long ago. I didn't really know
00:24:27.040 about it until then. I didn't even know about it until I just read that question. There's insurance
00:24:30.660 for everything, right? I mean, you got to be careful because a lot of these types of insurances,
00:24:36.020 you're just paying into a, into their coffers and nothing ever comes of it. I would really
00:24:40.360 another leak in that pipe. Yeah, for sure. I would really, really research that before
00:24:45.960 I ever considered that or looked into that. Um, I, you know, the, the better thing to do is know
00:24:51.660 the firearms rules and regulations of your state and follow those. Like that's the better thing to do.
00:24:57.980 Yeah. You've still might find yourself in a situation, but as far as, as far as you've done things
00:25:01.840 legally and, and, and done any, everything the state requires, then you're good. Um, but I believe
00:25:08.500 there should be a constitutional carry throughout the United States. Uh, I, I believe that it's,
00:25:13.320 it's ingrained into who we are as a country. It's in our constitution for crying out loud.
00:25:20.680 And we all ought to, uh, be able to protect ourselves and defend ourselves with firearms should,
00:25:26.460 should that situation arise. Just be careful, just follow the rules and make good choices,
00:25:33.120 train yourself well so you can make good choices and hopefully you don't find yourself in that
00:25:36.340 situation for many different reasons. Yeah. David Palma, what do you do when you feel you have,
00:25:43.380 you have played all your cards in your deck to provide for your family, but nothing has come out
00:25:48.060 of it. This goes beyond striking to some, uh, striking, sticking to something or seeing something
00:25:53.580 through. I went to med school and it's still in my ultimate goal to be a doctor. I have one more
00:25:58.680 board exam to enter residency, but I've had some health complications that have not allowed me to
00:26:04.560 take or pass the last exam. So I have tried different avenues to make some money for my family
00:26:09.460 while I get this exam out of the way. A foreign medical medical degree isn't worth much if you aren't 0.99
00:26:15.220 licensed. I'm fully confident that I'll make this career happen. It's just a matter of time.
00:26:20.600 Well, I think you have the right attitude. I mean, he's saying that he he's fully confident.
00:26:25.380 He's going to make it happen. It's just a matter of time. Sounds like there's some health complications
00:26:28.920 that have come up and you know, I feel for that for sure. I can see how that would make things an
00:26:34.140 issue. You're just in a season and that season is just lasting a little longer than you would have
00:26:38.220 hoped. So keep your head down, keep your eye on the prize, adjust where necessary and just keep
00:26:45.260 going. Like you're going to get through it. If you stop, you won't. And, and, and at first when
00:26:50.700 he said, what do you do when you, when you feel like you've played all the cards in your hand,
00:26:54.180 I would say, get a new deck of cards. Like we're not, we're not bound or fixed into this one path.
00:27:00.240 And you know, if, if this doesn't work out, let's just hypothetically assume for a second that
00:27:05.820 the licensing and exam just doesn't work out. And you literally have tried everything that you can
00:27:11.580 and know how to do. It's not the end of the world. It's really not. There's so many different avenues
00:27:17.120 and routes and different things that you can do and take. And it may seem like that because you've
00:27:21.920 had this lifelong ambition, but it's not the end of the world. I don't want to focus on that though.
00:27:26.040 I want to focus on you maintaining the course, you doing what needs to be done. Yeah. It's taking
00:27:32.760 longer because sometimes we have faulty expectations and other times things come up. You know, you,
00:27:38.280 you're, you have a medical thing that you you're dealing with. All right, adapt. This is life.
00:27:44.720 And, and it's not going to be the last hurdle that comes up in your life. You're going to have
00:27:49.640 hurdles thrown at you all the time. That is part of life. And what I've recognized and acknowledged
00:27:54.760 is that the hurdles as difficult as they are and as a little, I want them. I don't, I don't want those
00:28:00.880 hurdles necessarily. I have learned to, in a way, appreciate the fact that it's just helping me be better
00:28:06.840 for something that's yet to come. Consider that for a second, consider that if, and when you overcome
00:28:13.020 this obstacle that you have just been prepared and hardened and strengthened for bigger and better
00:28:21.360 things. I talked about this in the podcast about elevating your problems, right? If your problems
00:28:26.640 and the things you're thinking about, and the things are derailing, you were down here on this scale.
00:28:30.540 I don't one, you're not ready for a two. You're not ready for a level two success because you can't
00:28:35.980 deal with level two problems. Yeah. So if you want level two, three, five, 10 success, you have to be
00:28:43.420 capable of dealing with level 10 problems. And right now you're not because you've got a problem that's
00:28:50.340 derailing you or that's keeping you back. When you overcome that you've proved to God or the universe
00:28:56.820 or yourself or whatever you choose to use, that you are capable of handling greater problems,
00:29:03.020 therefore achieving greater success. They go hand in hand. You can't have the success without the
00:29:09.420 corresponding problem. That's why lottery winners, we've talked about this in the past,
00:29:13.800 have such a difficult time keeping the money that they are, that they win because they haven't
00:29:19.000 earned the right to have that money. And so they lose it and they get swindled and they give it away
00:29:24.280 and they make stupid purchases because they don't have the skillset to be able to obtain that level 1.00
00:29:29.760 of wealth and keep that level of wealth. Yeah. So odd how we have to think about this or, you know what 1.00
00:29:37.000 I mean? We all know where growth comes from, you know, trials and hardships, but yet like it's so
00:29:44.540 ingrained to want to be comfortable and not have to deal with those things. It's, I don't know,
00:29:50.980 like I have to remind, you know, we talk about all the time and I even have to remind myself like,
00:29:55.140 yeah, this is for my own good. Like, why am I trying to avoid hardship? Like, I mean,
00:29:59.920 don't get me wrong. I shouldn't seek it out, but maybe I should. You should, you should. And,
00:30:05.000 and not dangerous situations, but demanding and difficult situations so that you can be more
00:30:09.760 adequately prepared for the things that are yet to come. Yeah. It's just, it's just how the human
00:30:15.160 behavior is comfort. All the time. It's a simple road. Yeah. I think that's just, I mean, we have
00:30:22.980 a lot of creature comforts, you know, when it gets cold, we turn the heater on and how, you know,
00:30:27.120 we were in London last week and it took us five and a half hours to fly to London. Like how amazing
00:30:32.580 is that? I know that was months. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then we, and, and we toured all the,
00:30:38.820 the castles and the tower of London and, you know, to see even what Kings, the condition Kings were
00:30:45.460 living in was like, Oh, this is brutal compared to what we live in now. So it's, it's pretty amazing
00:30:52.100 what we have, but we need to consider that the comforts that we have might be a great enemy of
00:30:58.520 ours to our wellbeing and our growth. Yeah. CJ Vanek. I work with a guy who is very difficult and wants
00:31:07.140 everything to be done his way, even if it isn't the safest and most efficient way. I know he will
00:31:13.300 not listen to me. It is better to keep pushing against his stupidity or just knuckle under and 1.00
00:31:19.020 try to avoid him. Well, it depends on the hierarchy of the, of who this guy is. If he's a, if he's a guy, 1.00
00:31:28.100 if he's at your level, let's say, then you need to appeal to the higher ups. And I'm not saying
00:31:34.340 rat this guy out or throw him under the bus, but I'm, I'm saying that you need to prove yourself
00:31:38.380 capable of leading the project or the task. So the, uh, upper level management looks at you and
00:31:44.500 says, Hey, you got the, you got the lead on this one. Right? So that's what I would do in that
00:31:50.300 situation. What would I do if he's above me? I would let him do his thing and I would try to help
00:31:56.280 him win where I could. And I would look good in his eyes and I would try to gain favor in his eyes,
00:32:00.720 not by being a brown noser, but by doing the work well and helping him win. And then gradually you 0.98
00:32:08.520 might earn his level of trust. Now, if you're in a dangerous situation, you may need to go up the
00:32:13.820 chain of command so that you're not putting him yourself or anybody else at risk. That's something
00:32:18.980 entirely different, but if it's not dangerous, it's just inefficient and ineffective, help him win,
00:32:26.160 show your leaders that you should be the guy calling the shots and, uh, and consider looking
00:32:33.620 for new employment. Yeah. I'm wondering for CJ, if there's ever an opportunity here where you guys can
00:32:39.700 divvy up tasks. So then that way his inefficiencies aren't affecting you per se as much. And you're
00:32:47.860 saying, okay, I'm going to tackle this over here. You tackle that portion. We come together. And then
00:32:52.580 that way you're not necessarily affected as much by the things that he's doing, but you can still
00:32:57.340 have that value of being efficient with, with your tasks in particular. So I wonder if there's
00:33:03.320 some opportunity there to kind of divvy up the work. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's a challenge here.
00:33:08.520 If you just continue to do it his way, especially if he's at your same level, because if the project
00:33:14.180 fails, he's going to throw you under the bus. Yeah. Right. So you, you've got to find a way to stand
00:33:21.120 out, to shine, to excel and, and really prove to your management that you're the guy who should be
00:33:27.460 making the calls. Yeah. And there might be some value here too, to understand like, why, why does
00:33:34.140 he want to do it that way? I know. I mean, it's really simple for us to say, I mean, obviously we
00:33:39.460 have like what, two sentences here to describe this guy that, that you've been working with. So
00:33:44.100 he's such a jerk. I hate this guy. Idiot. But, but maybe, maybe you're wrong. 1.00
00:33:51.880 Yeah. Maybe he's right. Yeah. Good call. So, uh, consider it, or maybe he's focused on like
00:33:58.980 it's inefficient, but maybe quality is really important to him and he wants it really done
00:34:04.300 perfectly. And he, maybe he's been told by management that take your time, just make sure
00:34:09.560 it's perfect. And you're seeing it as like, this is highly inefficient, wasting our time.
00:34:12.660 Like, so maybe ask, maybe understand a little bit more why he's doing it different.
00:34:18.040 Yeah. Those are good. Those are good perspectives. Also, maybe it's his ego. I mean, if he really
00:34:22.880 is this way, it's, it's not to dismiss what you just said, but if he really is this way,
00:34:27.900 he's probably ego driven. Okay. Well, good. That's good to know. Feed into his ego.
00:34:32.000 So yeah, simply play the game. Right. Jeff, uh, bombing. I can't go to, I can't go to all
00:34:42.300 my daughter's daughter's school and extracurricular events without missing work or limiting personal
00:34:48.240 downtime. I'm fortunate to have the flexibility to give up time at work and an obvious personal
00:34:53.680 time, but how do you prioritize which kids events to attend? Pick your favorite kid.
00:35:02.000 I'm making you laugh now. That was, that was good. That was pretty good.
00:35:08.860 You just do it. That's it. You just, you just do it. Like you don't, you're overthinking this.
00:35:16.140 Like if you went to little Billy's baseball game last week, go to little Susan's dance recital this
00:35:20.240 week. Okay. Do your best. You can't, you can't do it all. Explain to your kids why you can't do it
00:35:27.220 all. I don't know if, if your wife is in the picture. If she is, then, you know, you divide 0.56
00:35:32.540 and conquer. There's been times where wife's gone to my son's baseball game and I've gone to my
00:35:38.360 daughter's soccer game. And so we both couldn't see it, but we both took pictures. We both supported
00:35:42.800 and let our kids know that they were loved and had support. Uh, but, but these, these are things
00:35:47.620 you shouldn't overthink. You should car. I do believe that you should carve work time out and personal
00:35:53.180 timeout to attend your, attend your kids as things, you know, for coaching, for example, uh, I, I would
00:35:59.060 love to coach all of my kids teams. I can't. So one year I'm going to coach my oldest. The next year I
00:36:04.660 coached my second and so on, because that's, that's what they need from me. And it was hard to make those
00:36:12.600 decisions, but it's not really supposed to be easy. You just give love and attention to all of them
00:36:18.620 as best you can, as equally as you can divide and conquer with your spouse and your partner.
00:36:22.580 And make it work. Yeah. I think the key thing that you said, Brian is, is attention, right? Like
00:36:31.120 ultimately, why do you want to go to the event? What's the purpose? The purpose is so your kids
00:36:37.500 know that you support them. Okay. Well, if you can't make it to the event, how do you support them?
00:36:42.080 Right. Mom records the video. You come home, you sit on the couch and you say, Oh, mom recorded your
00:36:46.880 thing. Come sit down. Let me watch how you did. Right. You watch it together. So they see your excitement of,
00:36:52.460 of, of you watching them perform or, you know, do their event or whatever. And guess what? You
00:36:57.520 didn't have to be there, but they, they saw your excitement. You, you communicated your excitement.
00:37:02.920 You, you know, like you said, set expectation that you couldn't make it, but you really wanted
00:37:06.380 to be there and watch the event with them sitting on the couch. You had just accomplished the same
00:37:11.000 thing. So I think it's get down to why it's important that you go and figure out how do you
00:37:16.840 address that? And maybe another way when you have to divide and conquer. Yep. I like it.
00:37:21.740 All right. Zurich Meraz, Movember men's mental health in general. So I'm going to pull it totally
00:37:32.200 pull audible. So I was talking to Cody and he's going to put together a, uh, uh, Movember order of man page.
00:37:41.140 Should we bring it up on the podcast? Yeah. Do you know where, what it is, what it is? It's like,
00:37:47.840 uh, like the URL. No, I don't, but we'll share it on the Facebook group. Okay. Yeah. That'd be
00:37:53.020 great. Is that cool? All right. Yeah. Did that guy have a question about Movember? No, I think he
00:37:57.680 just wanted us to talk about it. There you go. Yeah. What, what do you, what do you do? I don't,
00:38:04.060 what's, what's the thing. Do you know, uh, Movember? Yeah. I think it's just raising,
00:38:12.260 um, money towards like, I thought, I thought it was actually towards. Oh, it's a, it's a fundraising
00:38:17.920 for men's men's men. Yeah. Remember you don't shave for November. You get it. Yeah. I'm going to,
00:38:22.460 I'll do that. I won't shave for November. Ryan's good. Ryan's going to participate. I think you're
00:38:26.840 supposed to shave it at the beginning of the month, which I'm not doing that. Um, yeah, I don't know.
00:38:33.020 Just whatever. Like, sure. Okay. If we want to create a page, then cool. If you, if you want to
00:38:39.520 do it yourself, that's, that's cool. Like whatever. I think the, to provide value to Xeric's statement
00:38:47.180 here is, um, get involved. If there's something that moves and inspires you run with it, you know,
00:38:53.580 whether it's, uh, whether it's sharing the order of man podcast, because you appreciate what we talk
00:38:58.420 about here or whether it's increasing, uh, mental health and raising money for some other event.
00:39:03.820 Like I love that, that people kind of get connected to something and they kind of think beyond
00:39:10.300 themselves and try to drive and provide value in a way. So if that's something that interests you
00:39:15.740 run for it, the only problem with that movement is it's just for November. So what are you going to
00:39:20.480 do the other, uh, 11 months of the year? But yeah, I mean, there's probably other things to do
00:39:25.000 within the organization. Cause I think Cody's pretty involved in it, but yeah, I think like
00:39:28.940 you said, if it inspires you and you want to get going and by all means do it. Okay. Well,
00:39:34.620 we'll post something about Movember on the Facebook group. So if you guys aren't there,
00:39:39.360 join us there, facebook.com slash group slash order of man. And if you are there, look for a post.
00:39:44.480 Cool. I'm good. All right. Sam Johnson, what advice do you have for men who work in white 0.79
00:39:49.280 collar environments dominated by women? Be the best, whatever you can be, which would be the 0.98
00:39:58.380 same, whether it's not dominated by women or not. So who cares? What like kind of a weird question?
00:40:03.620 No, I mean, uh, it might be, but just be, be the best, whatever insurance salesman or doctor or nurse
00:40:12.840 or I don't know, whatever your, whatever your thing is, like just be the best at it. You know,
00:40:17.900 women, obviously, generally speaking are going to be a different personality than men. So you're 1.00
00:40:22.760 going to have to deal with that. You're going to have to probably deal with a little bit more
00:40:25.980 potentially gossip. Uh, you know, there's things, uh, so you recognize it, you acknowledge it,
00:40:32.820 you know, it's there. Otherwise you wouldn't have asked the question. So just, just play the game,
00:40:37.220 be a good employee, do the best you can help them win, finish your projects and your tasks and help
00:40:42.440 the organization succeed. The end. Cool. Daniel wires, raising a bunch of boys. How are you bringing
00:40:50.900 them into manhood and dealing with the teen years? Fortunately, I don't have a teenager yet,
00:40:56.420 so I haven't had to deal with that. Uh, but I just stay involved. I stay very active. You know,
00:41:02.600 we go camping and we go hiking and my oldest son and I worked out in, in our front room the last
00:41:08.060 night, you know, we were, we're going to go hunting this weekend. Like we just do things together.
00:41:13.260 That's what I would say. And I actually heard something very interesting from Dennis Prager
00:41:17.740 just yesterday as, as I was listening to his podcast, cause somebody asked a similar question
00:41:22.360 and he said, you know, the standard answer is to, to be an example and that's good. He said,
00:41:28.500 the problem is, is it fall short. And the analogy that he used is he said, imagine that I'm a great
00:41:33.800 pianist and that I want my son or daughter to be, uh, become a great pianist as well.
00:41:39.440 Can I teach them to be a great pianist by being a good example, by being a good, good at playing
00:41:44.420 the piano? Yeah, no, of course not. It's not enough to just be a good example. You have to actually
00:41:50.360 teach as well. And through the lessons and your example, that's what helps that individual thrive
00:41:56.760 into something that you'd like him to become. It's the same thing with, with our kids, with our sons,
00:42:01.940 for example, you'd be a great example of what it means to be a man. You'd be the protector, the
00:42:06.000 provider, the presider that we're all working to become listening to this podcast. You'd be that
00:42:10.620 individual. And then you help your sons connect the dots. This is what it means. This is why we work
00:42:15.660 out. This is why we hunt. This is why we provide. This is why we train. This is why we do, uh, read
00:42:20.420 books. This is why we, uh, do everything that we do. This is why, so that we can be the men that
00:42:27.160 we're supposed to be. And we can lead and we can protect and we can provide for our loved ones and
00:42:31.140 ourselves, connect the dots for them, teach them those lessons and then be the example so that they
00:42:36.720 see what they can strive towards. Yeah. And, and back to your original point, right? I'm assuming
00:42:41.880 what you're saying is, and by spending time with your son, that creates those opportunities for you
00:42:47.600 to teach, for you to be an example, to show them the way, like that's not going to happen if you're
00:42:53.120 not hanging around your son at all. And then all of a sudden you're like, all right, lesson number five,
00:42:57.060 let me read it off to you. When these things happen, this is what you do. Like it's just not
00:43:01.520 going to be as effective. And we're boys. We know, we already know this. I, that's how I learn.
00:43:06.940 Most boys learn through action in the process of doing something. And those opportunities present
00:43:11.880 themselves strictly by spending time with your children. And, and I would say again, to reiterate
00:43:17.460 this, it's not enough just to spend the time. You have to connect the dots. Take jujitsu,
00:43:22.200 for example, if I'm rolling with my, my children, I mean, I could dominate them, right? Obviously
00:43:29.260 because I'm bigger and maybe, maybe not. Kip's like, I don't know. Okay. So, but if I do a move
00:43:39.720 and I don't teach them, okay, here's, here's why you got into that position or, Hey, when you're in
00:43:46.360 this position, try this. If I don't pause and explain the process and the steps, they're just
00:43:54.380 going to get beat up. And that's not the objective. Yeah. The objective isn't just to beat them up.
00:43:59.680 It's to teach them. So you got to pause and you got to stop. This came down to a question. Uh, I think
00:44:04.900 what a couple of weeks ago, when somebody was talking about, do you ever, do you ever let your
00:44:09.240 kids win when you're, you're playing with them? It's not about winning and losing. I know that I can
00:44:14.620 beat my son in basketball, like beating him. And if that's my sole purpose would just be like an ego
00:44:22.240 thing. And that's stupid because I don't know how you can develop and build an ego beating a, 0.96
00:44:26.240 an 11 year old boy at basketball, but guys do it. That's not the objective. The objective is to help 0.99
00:44:33.540 them learn the game, learn the skills of life, get better, and, and be able to apply the lessons from
00:44:40.460 sports to life. Sometimes that requires you going hard and other times it requires you easing up,
00:44:48.020 pulling back on the reins a little bit and, and explaining things and teaching fundamentals so
00:44:54.580 that they can improve. Just use some discernment as a man and figure out what's going to be best
00:44:59.580 for your son's sons and daughter as well. Cool. All right. Last question. Is that cool?
00:45:07.080 Sure. I know you got to get going. So all right, Chris bitters better be a good one.
00:45:10.780 Well, it's a, maybe we'll see. Uh, when are your shirts and hats going to be made in the USA?
00:45:16.960 So I'm assuming he's asking about, I lost your audio. It sounds like Kip. Yep. Sorry. Oh,
00:45:23.000 there we go. So I'm assuming this comes down to his order man gear going to be, uh, kind of funneled
00:45:28.280 through origin eventually is, is kind of what I'm assuming the question is. Uh, the shirts and hats
00:45:34.280 will be made in America when they have the best quality. I mean, right now the shirts and hats we use
00:45:40.240 are the best. We get so many hats, so many compliments in our shirts and hats. And so,
00:45:44.420 um, they're printed in America, they're sewn in America. Uh, but I want to, I want it to be the
00:45:53.140 best. So when origin or whoever else makes like the best shirt and they are, I've talked to them.
00:46:01.140 They're, they're in the process of that right now. Um, then that's who we're going to use.
00:46:05.020 Cool. That's good answer. All right, gentlemen, that's a wrap for today. So we mentioned this
00:46:13.700 a handful of times, support the podcast, subscribe, uh, visit us on YouTube. That's
00:46:19.140 youtube.com slash order of man. And we brought this up a handful of times and these questions
00:46:24.620 were filled with from the Facebook group. So join us on facebook.com slash group slash order of man.
00:46:29.220 We do still have openings for the legacy event, uh, June 11th through the 14th, 2020 in Maine. Um,
00:46:37.820 that's for men and young boys between the ages of eight to 15 years old. You can learn more at
00:46:44.860 order of man.com slash legacy. And of course you can follow Mr. Mickler on Twitter and Instagram
00:46:51.140 at Ryan Mickler. That's M I C H L E R also pronounced Mitchler for some people.
00:46:59.000 You should, you should hear how many people slaughter my name. It's crazy. Uh, they announced
00:47:05.520 the roster for football. And so hearing them try to say my last name here for my son as they announced
00:47:11.560 his name. That's crazy. They say K Mickler. Uh, no, they've never said Mickler yet. Okay. Say
00:47:17.940 Mickler, Michular or something. Yeah. Just weird things. I'm like, really? Like I get Mitchler. I can
00:47:26.300 understand Mitchler. I can see that. There's no T in it, but I could still see it. Uh, but it is
00:47:31.720 Mickler. Thanks Kip for confusing this and everybody. Sorry. Yeah, it is what it is.
00:47:38.780 Well, we're going to make a, like a, I think we're going to make a persona of you of like a hipster,
00:47:45.040 um, feminist guy by the name of Brian Mitchler. Maybe I would like to see that. That'd be funny. 1.00
00:47:57.100 He's, does he have a, he probably has a beard like me anyways, probably got a man, probably
00:48:01.540 has a man bun. Yeah. Man bun with a trim beard, a trim beard. Yeah. Perfect. I like it. All right,
00:48:09.080 guys. We'll, uh, on that parting note, we'll get going, but Hey, I want to let you know,
00:48:13.340 I appreciate you. The podcast continues to grow. YouTube is continuing to grow. This movement is
00:48:18.260 just really, really starting to take off. I feel like we're starting to hit some strides here and
00:48:22.100 it's because of you. Uh, we appreciate you being in this battle. We appreciate your desire to become
00:48:26.960 a more capable man and, and giving us the ability to be able to share these things with you for better
00:48:31.740 or worse. Uh, but we're glad, we're glad we're all in this together. All right, guys, we'll let you get
00:48:36.120 going until Friday. Yeah. Friday for our Friday. If you'll know, let's go out there, take action,
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