Order of Man - Progress Over Perfection, Replacing a Full-Time Job, and Humility Over Arrogance ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

00:00:04.900 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.220 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:16.880 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.320 you can call yourself a man. Mr. Kip Sorensen, what's up brother? Great to see you today.

00:00:26.840 Good to see you as well. Happy Thanksgiving. Yeah. Tomorrow's Thanksgiving as of the release

00:00:32.460 of the podcast. So you guys have any plans? We always end up hosting, it seems like. So we'll

00:00:40.040 have a big group. And then Black Friday, we actually have started boycotting probably about eight years

00:00:46.640 ago. And so we leave Friday morning and we go up to Lava Hot Springs in Idaho, rent an Airbnb and hang

00:00:55.380 out in that small town all weekend and just eat scones and play board games and go to Hot Springs

00:01:01.480 at night. And then that's kind of what we do. It's crazy. I see people, I have friends and family

00:01:08.060 members that actually like gear up and get all the coupons and map out the way they're going to do

00:01:14.500 things on Friday. And that just is a miserable, miserable thing to me. So, but whatever. No,

00:01:20.720 you guys want to go fight over $5 savings, get after it. We're the same way. And then I got pissed.

00:01:27.060 I remember years ago where we had family that was like, Hey, we're leaving Thanksgiving dinner early.

00:01:34.200 And I'm like, why? And they're like, Oh, because the sales go on earlier now on Thursday. I'm like,

00:01:40.020 Oh, you know what? Screw that. I'm like, I'm all out now. Like for sure. I'm out. Yeah. If you guys

00:01:45.160 are going to disrupt family time. No, no, no. They don't care. They don't care. I noticed that

00:01:51.420 you only have an earbud in your, I think that's your right ear. Cause it's mirrors. Yeah. Does it

00:01:56.080 not like, does it not fit in that ear? Your left ear or what? That's what it looks like. I'm like,

00:02:01.600 wait, does it not fit in there or what? No, it fits. It falls out easy on this side.

00:02:06.840 Okay. I'm not taking a jab. I was like, man, earbuds no longer fit in there.

00:02:13.780 Yeah. I'm going to be showing up with, uh, with, uh, some beats instead.

00:02:19.020 You're going to have some, some oversized beats. You're going to have to be like these big,

00:02:22.800 huge alien bug bug eye ear type thing. Yeah, totally. No, I, I, it's just so I can hear better.

00:02:30.240 I don't know. I like, I feel like I'm in a echo chamber when it's all both earbuds.

00:02:34.540 You don't want anybody sneaking up behind you. So you got to, you got to make sure you watch my

00:02:39.400 shoulder. That's right. All right, man. Well, let's get into some questions today. Shall we?

00:02:44.040 Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So we're filling questions today from the Facebook group. That's facebook.com

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00:03:04.460 man.com as well. Those are the best ways to stay connected to us because we filled questions

00:03:08.580 ultimately from, from multiple sources. And today happens to be Facebook. So yes, sir. All right,

00:03:13.460 sir. Our first question, uh, Brandon horseman, when everything feels like it's falling apart and you

00:03:19.380 feel like giving up, how do you push through it financially, physically, and mentally?

00:03:24.180 I don't know if this is a personality thing, but for me, when things are falling apart around me,

00:03:30.940 uh, I almost take it as a challenge. Yeah. And like, and even double down a little bit.

00:03:37.580 Yeah. Well, maybe not double down on my current activities, but I, I pull back, I regroup,

00:03:43.960 I look at what needs to be done. And then there's a, a, quite a bit of optimism and excitement for me,

00:03:48.780 uh, in the midst of things that are really, really difficult. I don't want to diminish

00:03:53.160 the fact that somebody might be going through a relational issue, a financial issue, a medical

00:03:58.540 issue, but those are moments that can really define you. If you choose to look at it as an

00:04:05.400 opportunity for growth, an opportunity for expansion. So I would not recommend plowing through

00:04:12.600 in your current trajectory. Cause I know a lot of guys will do that. Sometimes things will happen

00:04:19.580 and then they'll just double down on their current activities. Well, your current activities are what

00:04:22.940 got you to where you are and you're not satisfied with that. So it's time to disengage for a minute,

00:04:32.100 regroup, figure out what you need to do mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually,

00:04:36.520 come up with a plan of action. That's where something like our, our, uh, battle planner might

00:04:42.580 come into play or even using our free resource 30 days to battle ready and come up with a plan of

00:04:48.800 action. And then look at this as an opportunity for growth. So for example, if you're strapped for

00:04:55.240 cash and you're up to eyeballs in debt, okay, you know where you are, you know, creditors are calling

00:05:00.240 you, you know, you're stressed out about it. You know, you're not making ends meet. So the first

00:05:03.560 thing you need to do is stop, take a breather, get all of your financial information in one place,

00:05:09.320 all of your debt, what the balances are, what the interest rates are. Once you have this all

00:05:14.560 listed out, maybe it's a budget that you need to go through. Now you can start planning. So maybe

00:05:18.840 you need to call some creditors and ask for, for them to reduce your payment or for some financial

00:05:25.040 assistance. A lot of places will, but you can come up with a plan in the way that you're going

00:05:29.660 to attack that. Maybe you need to stop spending so much money on a monthly basis on things that are

00:05:33.860 unimportant and divert those resources to paying off debt. But you come up with a plan

00:05:39.040 and that should give you optimism or, or, or a sense of hope knowing that, Hey, like I'm going

00:05:45.420 to improve. And then once you have that, you start acting and it's the action that's going to build up

00:05:51.100 the confidence for yourself. And you're going to start feeling better and you're going to put

00:05:55.880 yourself in a better spot financially or, or relationally or spiritually, whatever your issue

00:06:00.200 is. And life just, life goes on. Life gets better if you do the right things, but you can't double

00:06:05.740 down on what you're currently doing. You need to rethink your current strategy.

00:06:09.600 Yeah. I like that. I mean, I'll, I'll just add some additional, like mind thought, right?

00:06:15.060 It's funny. He says, um, you feel like giving up and push through financially, physically,

00:06:20.880 mentally. It's all mental. Otherwise you wouldn't feel the way you're feeling. Right. So like I would

00:06:26.300 be mindful of the power of letting go of expectation. I think Ryan, you use the analogy of

00:06:30.860 like, Hey, get all your financial stuff together. We avoid that sometimes. And we've talked about on

00:06:35.460 the podcast, how guys will be like, they're, they're financially ruined and they just won't

00:06:40.040 look at their account. Like they don't want to face the music. And so they'll pretend or just feel

00:06:46.220 overly stressed out. Don't do that. Deal in reality. The reality of it is you might have a shit show

00:06:52.560 placed in front of you, lay out the details, let go of, well, it shouldn't be this way, or it should be 0.99

00:06:59.180 this, let go of that and deal with what is so and your current circumstance and then prioritize and

00:07:05.720 execute against it. Um, and then the other thought I just had, and, and, and we're really actually

00:07:10.600 stealing it from something that someone told me actually yesterday while at church, but they use

00:07:16.040 this analogy of sometimes you can be in an airplane and they were talking about how they're in a flight

00:07:22.940 and the, and the pilot says, Hey, we can't land yet because there's a storm. And they looked out the

00:07:28.840 window and it was sunny. They're like, what? That's weird. And then they look down and there's a storm

00:07:33.580 right over that city. Guys, beyond, beyond the clouds of the storm, there's sun, there's hope, the

00:07:42.700 world's going to go, there's goodness, there's, there's potential, there's all those great things.

00:07:47.780 Sometimes we just have a cloud, you know what I mean? Over our circumstance and, and realize that

00:07:53.540 sometimes that's our creation, right? And, and it's our emotional state. Sometimes it might be legit,

00:07:58.440 but I mean, that's the power of the statement that you said, you know, this too shall pass.

00:08:03.620 And, and sometimes all that we need to do is prioritize and execute. And what a great opportunity.

00:08:08.540 I don't know about you, Ryan. Well, I do know about you. I know exactly the, the largest growth

00:08:13.720 that you and I have ever had in our lives is when that storm has been above us. So look for the lesson

00:08:20.160 to be learned and grow and rise up. So then that way, when that cloud goes by, you're a better man for it.

00:08:27.380 That's exactly right. One of the things you said, Kip, as you said, the shit show that's placed 0.99

00:08:31.380 before us or in front of us, and you already alluded to this, you guys created that. You, 0.99

00:08:38.180 you created those circumstances. Very rarely is your external circumstance, a product of

00:08:44.060 things that are beyond your control. And I'm saying that to you, but I'm also saying it to me.

00:08:48.640 I created this environment that I'm participating in. So I want to make sure that we're not just,

00:08:53.680 it's not just placed before us. It's we created it. And if we created it, that's a hard pill to

00:09:00.600 swallow because we messed it up. But if we were the ones who created it, then we're also the ones

00:09:06.780 who can fix it. And I would say just from a spiritual perspective, this is something that

00:09:13.120 I'm, I'm trying to think more of and, and, and really tap into the spiritual element of,

00:09:19.240 you know, my life. And this is a little different than I've done in the past is that I believe that

00:09:23.700 we all have a plan. Like there, and I don't always know the reason for the plan. And I don't always know

00:09:29.560 what part of the plan I'm in, especially when it's miserable and it's despair and it's horrible.

00:09:34.200 I don't know what plan that is, but I believe it's part of the plan. And if that's part of the

00:09:42.000 plan, then that's part of God's doing. And if that's his doing, then he is also the answer.

00:09:50.320 So with you and God, you can find a path out. It's tough, but here's one other thing I would say.

00:09:57.220 When you feel like giving up, play that out in your mind, like play that,

00:10:04.180 well, I almost dropped my pen, play that to its fullest. So let's say you're in financial ruin

00:10:09.440 right now. Go ahead and go ahead and play that out. What's going to happen if you give up?

00:10:15.300 Like if you stop paying your bills, you're going to lose your assets. You're going to lose your car.

00:10:19.860 You're going to lose your house, right? You're going to, you're going to have to file bankruptcy.

00:10:23.500 You're going to have to dig out of that for the next 10, 15, 20 years. Like play it out in your

00:10:28.240 mind. Is that a viable option for you? If you're going through a finance or excuse me,

00:10:35.600 a relational issue, a hardship right now, a separation or divorce, play that out of your

00:10:41.740 mind. Could you, Hey, you know what? I'm going to give up. I'm going to throw in the towel. I'm

00:10:45.020 going to blow up the marriage. I'm going to treat her like garbage. I'm going to neglect my kids. 1.00

00:10:49.140 Um, you know, man, that's going to check it out. Yeah. Like play it out. Is that, is that what you

00:10:55.760 want? Or do you kind of put a, it's kind of like putting a, um, you know how they say, uh,

00:11:02.620 when you have a ship or a boat that's sinking, you can't just like shove a water out of the thing.

00:11:08.600 You've got to fill the hole first. So stop, fill the hole, stabilize your environment.

00:11:14.480 And then you can start shoveling water out and coming up with a solution moving forward.

00:11:20.060 Your comment about playing it out, man, that can transcend in so many areas. I think that,

00:11:27.620 and not to create a little bit of a tangent here, but I think it's profound is we'll guys will find

00:11:33.200 themselves in really bad circumstances that they've created or making even poor decisions

00:11:40.100 because the lack of playing it out. Right. And going, Hey, what, what's the,

00:11:45.860 what's the probable future of this decision. And, and it's, it's so interesting that we don't do that

00:11:53.460 all the time, that, that it's just the moment or I don't know, instant gratification, or I don't know

00:12:01.900 what it is, or lack of laziness or, or laziness and critical thinking. What is it? It's emotion.

00:12:07.960 Hmm. Yeah. Because you're being emotional, which is understandable. You're going through a hard

00:12:13.740 time. Yeah. Like we talk about this all the time. Men do all the time. Even, even somebody who might

00:12:18.540 be asking this question is like, Oh man, we're not driven by our emotions. And yet giving up

00:12:22.740 is a response to emotion, despair, depression, anxiety, hopelessness, fear. Those are all emotions

00:12:35.240 that would drive you to giving up. So you're, when you say I'm going to give up, you're actually being

00:12:41.120 emotional. You're, and being emotional is fine, but you're being driven solely by emotion. Now,

00:12:46.840 if we play it out, like you're talking about here, now, what do we have? Hope, optimism, excitement.

00:12:56.920 Strategy, a path.

00:12:58.060 Right. Yeah.

00:12:59.600 So you're being emotional, which is understandable because it's easy to be emotional when you're

00:13:05.660 going through this. I certainly have those things in my own life. Even now you can't be driven by

00:13:11.480 emotion. You can use it to figure out what's going on, but you have to have a rational and logical

00:13:14.700 path forward. Jason Lavoie. I know it has been probably been covered, but learning how to restart

00:13:20.740 life after an unwanted divorce eight years together. And she left very abruptly after setting herself up with

00:13:27.580 someone new. How to build confidence in self after taking such a major blow and life changes ahead.

00:13:35.840 Yeah. I think we just answered that question. I think what we said before, Hey, regroup,

00:13:43.280 you got your balls handed to you. Like, all right, stop regroup. What do I need to do with my money 0.99

00:13:50.680 situation now? Cause there's probably some, some issues there. If you, if you have kids,

00:13:55.200 how am I going to continue to father those kids in the best way possible? Where am I going to live?

00:14:01.160 What am I going to do for work? Like, these are all things you need to just take a pause and regroup

00:14:05.920 and start working on, on those things and making yourself the project. Make, make your, I've talked

00:14:12.780 about that a lot. Make yourself the project. If you can work on yourself and these, these key areas,

00:14:18.640 mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical, that those are the realms in which you need to operate

00:14:27.460 right now. So let's talk about emotional, emotional. You need to learn how to process your emotions,

00:14:34.480 especially the emotion of betrayal, sorrow, heartbreak, guilt, shame, regret. You need to

00:14:43.620 figure out a way to experience all of that and get it out in a healthy way so that you can now manage

00:14:48.940 it. That's emotional. Mental is doing difficult things that you didn't previously think you could

00:14:55.840 do. Now that might mean having a difficult conversation. That might mean standing up for

00:15:01.780 yourself in a constructive way. That might mean going to do some physical activity that you've never

00:15:07.480 been able to do before, like running a marathon. That might be speaking up and speaking in public,

00:15:12.800 starting a business. The beauty of this is not only is it going to build up your psyche,

00:15:17.140 it's also going to build up your confidence, which is exactly what you asked about.

00:15:21.980 Okay. Then we have spiritual, spiritual. I'm not going to get so much into God in this one. And what

00:15:26.920 I'll say is that you've got to figure out your reason for being here. There's a reason you're here.

00:15:32.540 And I think that's derived from God. I'm sure there's plenty of guys who think it's something

00:15:36.920 different, but ultimately we're all here for a reason. And we need to discover what it is

00:15:42.300 and uncover and unpack and develop and build it out. And then physical, I'm not even going to get

00:15:47.460 into that. You know that. Go to the gym, eat right, sleep, recover. Those are the realms in which you

00:15:53.180 operate right now. Right. Totally. Jason, obviously we don't know the details, right? But there is a

00:15:59.860 little bit of, let me just make sure, right? That I point this out, right? Because it's eight years

00:16:10.440 together. She abruptly, you know, left after setting herself up, right? There's a little bit

00:16:15.500 of like, dude, I did nothing wrong here. Right. And I would suggest, Jason, you figure out what you did

00:16:23.840 wrong. You take accountability for it. You take some ownership of it and you figure it out. And

00:16:29.680 you do this for two reasons. One, if you leave a divorce, whether you feel it was warranted or not,

00:16:37.060 if you leave that from the perspective of you had no hand in the matter and it's not your fault,

00:16:42.360 the probability of you having a repeat is actually substantially higher. Second, this is a miserable

00:16:48.600 situation. So why not grow from it? I've used this analogy in numerous cases. How do you ensure that

00:16:55.800 you don't have regret in life? You learn. That's how. And you want to learn so much from this divorce.

00:17:03.100 You want to become so much better of a man because of this divorce that you can't help, but look back

00:17:09.440 at it and go, you know what? That was probably the best thing that's ever happened to me. That's how you

00:17:14.320 take this bad situation and make it something amazing for you is making sure that you grow from

00:17:20.660 it. And you're not going to grow from it if you played no hand in the manner and this was acted upon

00:17:26.380 you and there's nothing you could have done. So you have to take some ownership to be able to grow from

00:17:30.800 it. And I don't, obviously we don't know the details, but just like, you know, put that on your

00:17:34.620 lap and, and, and consider that. Agreed. All right. Ryan Young on Saturday, I shot the biggest

00:17:42.900 whitetail buck of my life. I'm super excited and still don't think it's totally hit me how big he

00:17:49.000 is. I'm super proud of myself. And I've been waiting 18 years to shoot a buck bigger than my last

00:17:55.260 on our property. I'm trying to stay humble about it and not brag, but it seems like everyone else

00:18:00.720 tells me I'm showing off. It's honestly kind of given me a feeling of guilt. How do I maintain

00:18:06.540 a sense of pride and say modest about what I've accomplished and not let the jealousy of people

00:18:11.860 make me feel guilty? This is a really good question. I actually have the same problem by the way. So

00:18:15.960 about bragging on things that you're excited about or guilt about it. Yeah. Like I actually hold back

00:18:25.160 like wins in my life. Um, certainly with my family and I, and I do it because like, I don't want to

00:18:35.220 make them feel bad, right? Like I, there's some, I don't know. I'm concerned about coming across like

00:18:42.080 I'm bragging. Well, because their circumstances are different than mine and, and Asia's like, no, 1.00

00:18:48.120 people who love you want to hear you win. So like you should share, but it, I don't know. It's just

00:18:53.060 like my, it's a little bit of a default thing that I do. What's the opposite of humility.

00:19:00.080 What would you say? I don't think it's the first thing that comes to mind. What is it?

00:19:05.320 I think it's arrogance because think about what pride, I like that better. It's pride is not

00:19:12.520 why there's an excessive level of pride, but what is that? Yeah. Arrogance. Arrogance. Yeah.

00:19:18.960 Thinking you're better than. Yeah. Right. It's basically the difference is earned versus not

00:19:24.820 earned. Right. I'm proud, for example, of this podcast. So I talk about it and I'm excited about

00:19:32.320 it and I share it. And I also think it will help other people. So is that wrong? No, it's not wrong.

00:19:38.660 You can actually be proud about something and be humble about it at the same time.

00:19:42.840 Right. I can, for example, man, this podcast and this movement, I'm so excited about what it's done

00:19:50.200 over eight years and how it's grown and how many people it's reached. And I'm so grateful that I

00:19:55.000 have the opportunity to serve the men who are listening. And I'm so grateful for guys like you,

00:19:59.780 Kip and Chris and Drew and Reese and all, and Jay and all the other guys who helped me. And we have

00:20:04.760 done an amazing job. You can see the pride in there and you can also see the humility. I didn't do this

00:20:10.260 on my own. And without people listening, it wouldn't be anything, but I can't be arrogant

00:20:16.080 and humble at the same time. Look how amazing I am. Look at all these wonderful things I did.

00:20:22.820 Look at all the guys that I've helped and nobody's doing it as good as I am.

00:20:27.200 That's arrogance and there's no humility in that whatsoever. So the reason I bring that up

00:20:33.420 is I think you can share the things that you're excited about if you're proud of them,

00:20:38.980 but also where's the humility in the way that you're expressing it.

00:20:45.060 Yeah.

00:20:46.040 Right. Now, if you said, Hey, like it's taken me a long time to learn and so-and-so showed me,

00:20:51.200 or I had the opportunity to go hunt this property that I didn't before. And this person was gracious

00:20:54.760 enough. And my dad taught me how to do it. And man, it all came together because of all those

00:20:59.840 experiences and lessons I had as a kid, there's some humility in that. There's also some

00:21:05.340 appropriateness that you have to be aware of too. Like, is it appropriate? And I would say there's

00:21:10.720 timing, obviously there's a time and a place to share these things. But then if I just go up to

00:21:15.460 a random stranger, I'm like, Hey, I just shot the biggest buck of my life. Like, okay. Like that's

00:21:19.740 not appropriate. Right. But if everybody's swapping hunting stories or even ask, Hey, what's your

00:21:24.800 biggest accomplishment? You know, then that, those are opportunities you can share.

00:21:28.280 Then go. Right. So look for the opportunities to be appropriate in the way you share.

00:21:34.300 I like it. All right. Phillip Iverson. Why don't more men share mental health struggles and provide

00:21:40.900 support for each other versus leaving it, uh, leaving each to fight a battle on their own?

00:21:47.500 Because I think that we have been conditioned to believe that we have to do it alone. And if we need

00:21:53.860 somebody else, then that's weakness. And it might be a weakness. It might be a vulnerability,

00:22:00.400 but that doesn't mean that we can't go out and help ourselves get the solutions to our problems.

00:22:07.480 Like I made a post about therapy that gets okay to go talk about the issues that you're dealing with

00:22:14.700 to work through these things. That doesn't make you weak. And I think I've used this analogy before.

00:22:19.240 It's like a carpenter who wants to build a big, beautiful home. And he's like, well,

00:22:24.400 but I don't use nails or screws. Okay. Well, what do you use? Oh, I just kind of stack them

00:22:30.940 together and hope, hopefully it all works out. Okay. Why? Oh, because those are, those are tools.

00:22:37.640 I don't need those tools. Like I can do it without it. That's stupid. We use the tools at our disposal.

00:22:43.940 And if you learn how to use the tools correctly, it doesn't mean you're weak. It means you're actually

00:22:47.780 wise. Like, Hey, here's a tool, having a brother that I can talk with about these issues or having

00:22:54.320 a therapist that helped me realize where some of my past thoughts and behaviors come from.

00:22:59.340 It's not weakness. It's like, here's another tool that I can use to be more effective. So yeah,

00:23:05.160 there is a big stigma associated with it. And I think it's just going to take men sharing. Now,

00:23:10.420 where I think it gets taken to the extreme is that we use these experiences in our lives or the way

00:23:16.880 that we feel to completely break down just because you're having an issue does not absolve you of the

00:23:21.760 responsibility of life. Like you don't get to not lead your family. You don't get to, to not go to

00:23:27.160 work. Like you still have to function. So figure out a way to do it so that you can go out and you can

00:23:32.660 provide, and you can be a resource for yourself and other people. Totally. Yeah. I think the other

00:23:38.140 thing too, Ryan, I was thinking is, I mean, if, if your story is, you know, you know, and I'm thinking

00:23:45.400 like mental health story, right. You know, if your mental health story is I'm alone and no one cares

00:23:51.000 or whatever, well, then you're going to perpetuate that thought process until you get out of the box

00:23:56.200 with it. You know what I mean? And me believing that I can call Ryan and he would help me is in

00:24:02.560 complete conflict with my story of no one cares. You know what I mean? And, and I'm alone in my,

00:24:09.420 in my misery, right? Like we'll often perpetuate, right? Obviously the thought process that we're

00:24:15.180 having. And so it's just so important to, to get clear in my opinion of the lie. And, and, and I,

00:24:25.280 and I mean that like literally the lie, because a lot of the time when we're inward in our thought

00:24:32.020 process and it's negative, it's a perception of something and it's not true. And, and the more we

00:24:38.860 can get to that and go, wait a second. Now, this is how I feel, but like, is that true? Does,

00:24:44.280 does no one really care? And, and realize that no, no, no, I'm, I'm, I'm creating that. And thus now I can

00:24:52.140 get past that and say, Hey, you know what? I'm going to call a brother, right? I am going to get

00:24:56.120 counsel. I am going to do these other things. Now, obviously it's not just realizing it's life

00:25:00.860 just magically doesn't make it go away, but it gets us out of the mindset of realizing that that's not

00:25:05.840 reality. And that's part of a perception that we've created and we need to look past that, right?

00:25:11.540 And reach out, whether it's through counseling or other means to get assistance from other

00:25:15.740 individuals. Yeah. And, and I would say also being a help to other guys who are in your circle,

00:25:22.140 you know, the more you can help sharing too. Right. Yeah. Like, you know, guys are struggling

00:25:26.280 and odds are that you've been there to help them and you know, you've been helpful. So why wouldn't

00:25:30.520 the same hold true for you? Yeah. Good point. All right. Joshua trots. How do we overcome

00:25:37.760 complacency? I've never dealt with, well, that's not true. I have dealt with it. I don't, I guess the

00:25:46.280 best thing you can do to overcome complacency is find something you're excited about.

00:25:52.140 You're really not going to be complacent about something you're excited about. And you might

00:25:55.960 need to shake things up. You might need to mix life up a little bit. You might need to take on

00:26:00.280 a new task or project at work. You might need to take on a new hobby or activity, but when you feel

00:26:06.940 yourself in a rut, if we, if we actually take that term being in a rut, you know, think about that.

00:26:12.200 You're driving down a muddy road or a snow covered road and your tires slip into a rut. You can almost

00:26:17.480 drive without even steering the wheel. Like the rut's going to, it's the track, right?

00:26:21.540 It'll direct you. Yeah.

00:26:22.880 It will. And how do you get yourself out of that rut? Well, you kind of got to violently jerk on

00:26:27.780 the wheel a little bit and pop yourself up out of there and give it some gas. And if you do,

00:26:32.460 then you can pop up out of that rut, but you got to be careful because you could easily slide back

00:26:36.560 into it. So what I'm saying is that you need to make a change, a big change in your life. Now, again,

00:26:43.220 we're not going to blow up our responsibilities, but we're going to change within reason. So we can

00:26:47.880 pop ourselves up out of that rut and, and direct our own lives the way that we want to direct it.

00:26:53.660 Yeah. Yeah. Don't go a hard, right. And just go off the road and crash.

00:26:58.440 Right. Or get back on and then like, okay, I'm safe. And then just slide back into it.

00:27:03.740 Yeah. Yeah. Great. All right. Alex Schwartz. I started my own business. I still work for,

00:27:10.200 I still work my full-time job. Is there a pathway you or Kip recommend on working towards quitting

00:27:16.520 or things that need to be checked? I know obviously money. I know obviously money, but it just seems

00:27:24.140 like there's a lot more to account for having two kids and a wife. If it were just me, I would have

00:27:29.720 already went on my own fully. I wonder why that is. I wonder if that's financially related or because

00:27:36.820 your wife feels more comfortable with you having a full-time job than doing this. Or if you're scared 0.92

00:27:43.060 that it won't work out, I would really explore why if it was just you, you would do it. But because

00:27:49.680 you have a wife and two kids, you wouldn't. You need to really explore and uncover that and unpack

00:27:54.620 that and figure out why that's the case. The only thing I can tell you is, I mean, there's a fear,

00:28:01.240 sure. But the financial is the biggest issue. You can overcome that fear because what is it that you

00:28:08.140 do work for? Well, money, right? That's probably why you haven't done it already. Because if it

00:28:14.560 wasn't a money issue, you would have done it. Like there's nothing else that would be a problem.

00:28:22.660 If you were killing it and bringing in some serious dough, you'd be like, done.

00:28:26.140 Yeah. So it's solely a money issue, likely. And for your wife, money issue, but deeper than the 1.00

00:28:35.140 money is the security. She's very worried about the security as you might be as well.

00:28:41.260 So the way that you do that is just a formula. You look at your monthly expenses and let's just say

00:28:47.440 for the sake of argument, your monthly expenses are $5,000. Okay. Well, look at what path you're on

00:28:55.300 with your new business venture. Let's say you're making $2,000 a month right now with your new

00:29:02.880 venture. So basically you're making 40% of your monthly expenses. Again, I'm just using a scenario

00:29:08.740 so we can play this out. Okay. At your trajectory, how long is it going to take you to go from $2,000

00:29:15.860 a month to $5,000? Let's say it's going to take you 12 months. So that means you have a deficiency of

00:29:24.420 $3,000 a month times 12, that's $36,000. So one way you can look at this and say, okay, well,

00:29:31.760 I have to have $36,000 set aside in my bank account. And then I can leave today

00:29:35.140 because that $3,000 is going to be made up by pulling money out of the bank account.

00:29:42.200 That's one way you can do it. The other way is you could just wait until your income is

00:29:47.920 completely replaced. Let's say you're making $6,000 with your current job. That's going to take

00:29:53.320 you a year and a half. Cool. All right. Well, just wait a year and a half and work hard. And

00:29:57.420 then in a year and a half, you'll be making $6,000 with your side gig. And then you replace

00:30:00.780 it then. That's probably what she's going to want to see. But those are two different paths you can

00:30:05.120 look at, but it's all financially related with an underlying factor of fear, comfort, and safety

00:30:10.360 at the forefront, likely of her mind. Yeah. What's kind of fun about this is, I mean,

00:30:17.380 I didn't do this, but like in hindsight, you know, it's, it's interesting because sometimes

00:30:21.380 we start our own, our, our own businesses and it's associated to our time. And, and so we end

00:30:29.360 up just hustling more, working harder. It's our own bag, right? But it's taking up more time or

00:30:35.420 whatever. And, you know, maybe one thing to consider Alex is, and I don't know what the

00:30:39.440 business idea is, but can you pull it off and have it start being a passive income? Like where this

00:30:45.480 thing just is passive in regards to bringing in cashflow and how nice would it be if you,

00:30:52.820 when you're ready to switch that you switch, not requiring the same amount of time today

00:30:58.540 that you do on your job, because this thing's just working. How, how nice would that be?

00:31:04.880 Kind of a fun way to maybe approach it. You know, that's cool. I would say also make sure you include

00:31:10.360 her in the growth of the business. Cause again, if she's worried about safety,

00:31:14.780 communication is going to help that. If you're not communicating with her about how it's growing

00:31:19.400 or how it's doing or not doing, or what kind of money it's bringing in. And you're just hoping

00:31:24.080 that she's going to lean and rely solely on you. That's a harder hill to climb than actually

00:31:29.880 communicating with her. Hey hon, we made $2,000 in the business last month. Uh, we made 2,500 this

00:31:35.240 month. Oh, we only made 1,800, but that's because it's Christmas time. And this slows down because

00:31:39.340 it's seasonal communicate with her. And then you're going to start addressing those safety

00:31:44.080 and security issues that she has at the underlying, you know, foundation of what she's looking for from

00:31:48.480 you. Yeah. Cool. All right. Will Stahlberger, uh, Stahlberger, in your opinion, is journaling worth

00:31:57.300 it? I think I would benefit greatly from keeping a journal as it would help me process my emotions,

00:32:02.280 but I'm unsure where to start. So I'm not going to answer this question. Well, I'll answer

00:32:09.320 it, but it's just do it. Like if you're like, I think it would help me greatly, then it doesn't

00:32:18.520 matter what I think about it. Yeah. It really doesn't matter. So, okay. Now, but let's get

00:32:23.660 practical. Again, I get questions like that a lot. Like I'm thinking about, Hey, has anybody had any

00:32:28.700 experience with this workout? Yeah. Lots of people, but you're interested. So just do it.

00:32:33.780 Or has anybody had any experience with what I fill in the blank with running a Spartan race?

00:32:39.040 Why do you need to know that? You don't need to know that if you're interested, then you just go

00:32:43.560 do it. It doesn't, you're looking for excuses. And some people will say, no, no, I'm looking for,

00:32:48.840 you know, ways to make it more efficient and effective. Yeah, I get it. You'll, but you'll get

00:32:52.960 that along the way. Like stop looking for a reason not to do something. Just do it. Okay. Now,

00:32:57.900 where do you start? Well, you just start, you just get a notepad and you just start writing and

00:33:04.860 you're going to get better at it. A couple of prompts I would give you is what did I, what,

00:33:09.480 what was my greatest lesson today? Answer that question. Yeah. What, where did I do the best

00:33:15.120 today? Where did I fail today? What am I going to do tomorrow? If I was reading this in 20 years,

00:33:23.300 what lesson from today would I want to give my future self? Uh, how did I feel? This is a big

00:33:30.680 one for guys. How do they feel about what took place today? Where did I feel energized and excited

00:33:37.340 and optimistic? Where did I feel down and sad and guilty or shameful? Talk about those feelings.

00:33:44.020 There's so many different things you could do. If my kid was going to read this in 10 years,

00:33:48.020 what would I want him or her to learn? What lesson would I want on part upon them?

00:33:53.300 These are all prompts that you can use and yeah, just go for it. And you're going to get better at

00:33:58.000 it and more efficient. You're going to find questions and prompts that work well for you.

00:34:01.640 Yeah. The problem, maybe a pitfall that I fell into and we'll all project it on you a little bit

00:34:07.300 as a, maybe a thing to consider or watch out for. I approach journaling is like, well, I'm going to like

00:34:14.140 write my history. Right. And so the first time I sit down, it's like two hours later. Right. And then

00:34:20.340 what do I do the next day? I don't have time to journal that took forever yesterday. Right. And then

00:34:26.420 it almost deterred me from doing it because it was, I made it such this large ordeal task. So

00:34:34.880 sometimes keep it simple and, and precise me personally, what's always worked out for me because

00:34:41.920 I have a problem with being grateful. So I just maintain a gratitude journal. And, and my requirement

00:34:50.260 is it doesn't matter if it's five minutes or 30 minutes, I got to write something and explain

00:34:54.920 something that I'm grateful for. And it, sometimes it's hard. Like I'll sit there and go, I don't feel

00:35:00.220 grateful for anything. Right. And it really forces me to sit there and go like, no, that's not true.

00:35:05.860 Right. I have somebody blessed and it really helps me get that mindset. And then I'll, I'll write about

00:35:10.600 it. And then when that's not the case, and I have something really present, pressing on my mind,

00:35:14.520 kind of back to your prompt, Ryan, about something you learned today or whatever, then I'll do that

00:35:19.820 route. But my default is at least I have to document something that I'm grateful for.

00:35:24.780 Yeah. I like that. I would ask it with that gratitude that you're talking about. There's some

00:35:29.880 intentionality behind that. I want to learn how to exercise more gratitude, right? That's,

00:35:34.360 that's your practice that you want to do. So he needs to ask, we all need to ask why we're doing

00:35:39.500 the things that we do. What's the intent? Yeah. Right. Are you journaling because somebody once

00:35:43.620 one time said it was a good thing and that might be enough to get you started, but it's not going

00:35:48.660 to get you to be enough for you to keep doing it. So why do you want to journal? Is it so you can

00:35:54.880 clear your mind at the end of the day? Is it so you can document lessons that you learned? Is it so

00:36:00.080 you can learn how to process your feelings and emotions better? Is it so you can get rid of maybe

00:36:05.960 anger or frustration that you have that's pent up throughout the day? There's a lot of reasons you

00:36:10.200 would do it. Figure out what that reason is. And then you can cater your journaling experience towards

00:36:15.460 solving that problem. All right. Our boy, Dom, both of you currently have more financial success

00:36:23.540 than your parents. You assume that Dom. So with that success comes easier lives for your children.

00:36:29.820 There's something about the struggle of your youth that has helped you produce great in your

00:36:33.920 adulthood. Here's the question. How are you helping your children to be gritty when their lives are

00:36:40.900 actually significantly more comfortable than your life was growing up? Yeah. I mean, isn't that,

00:36:46.300 that's one of the biggest problems just with the ease of modernity, you know, let alone what we do as

00:36:51.920 individuals. I mean, the house that we're in and the items that we have and the, I stay at home,

00:36:57.700 you know, I'm at home with my, with my wife and kids. Like there's a lot of blessings in that,

00:37:03.700 you know? Yeah. Yeah. For me, I, one thing we do is we have our two oldest are still paying. They,

00:37:09.660 they pay a lot of their own expenses. They, my oldest Brecken in particular works in the store.

00:37:15.860 So he's earning money. We're trying to do challenging things. There's still responsibility. They have

00:37:21.420 their schoolwork and assignments and tasks and all these things that they do. You know, I wish I had

00:37:25.900 some great big answer, but the other thing is that I try to be a good communicator with them too

00:37:31.340 and communicate why we have what we have. Hey, the reason that this is the way it is,

00:37:36.600 is because here's some things that I've done. Here's some things that have worked well. Here's

00:37:40.960 some failures that I've had. Here's some ways that it hasn't worked and why I've had to correct

00:37:45.220 that behavior. So those are all things that I do, but I don't have any great like strategy other than

00:37:50.640 keep them involved in the wins and losses and then give them responsibility and opportunities

00:37:55.660 for growth. Also discipline. You know, they don't get away with things either. You know, if, if, if

00:38:00.640 there's an issue at home and they're back talking or you know, there's a greater problem. My two

00:38:06.040 oldest boys are involved in sports. Sports is a big part of their life, powerlifting and football

00:38:11.160 in particular. A lot of great lessons come from that as well. Yeah. Any opportunity to really focus

00:38:17.840 on that delayed gratification and reward, you know, for hard work. The, the other thing that

00:38:24.000 I would add on top of what you said, Ryan is, you know, we look for opportunities for our kids to

00:38:28.640 serve. I think that's really important, especially when we've, we've given them comfortable lives.

00:38:34.540 Um, it's good for them to see that, um, there's another world of, of struggle and there's people

00:38:42.020 out there really struggling with those things and how do we serve them, uh, and use our circumstances

00:38:47.200 to benefit others. And so, um, for a while, we actually, we had had the kids, um, we, there's

00:38:54.780 this, um, church, uh, soup kitchen downtown over by the, um, the homeless shelter. And we'd go

00:39:02.460 there once a month and, and our girls would serve, you know, the food for the soup kitchen. It was

00:39:08.940 great for them, like super great, you know, uh, because they're seeing that struggle. I think the

00:39:14.140 other thing is like culture is one of those other things that kind of helps do this as well, you know,

00:39:20.580 so that way they kind of get out of their bubble a little bit and look for opportunities and, and see

00:39:24.980 that, uh, the world's a little bit bigger than, than what they see from, from, from the day to day.

00:39:29.520 Yeah. Cool. All right. Aaron Croach, how do you balance striving for excellence without being

00:39:36.820 crippled by the ideal or perfect? There are no silver bullets. We know this. Everything has a

00:39:43.860 trade-off, but I'm often trying to find the silver bullet instead of taking a good, but not perfect

00:39:49.460 action. Any tips on overcoming the obstacle of perfection so we can improve, or is this a false

00:39:55.920 dichotomy? Is there a way to pursue perfection without falling into inaction? Yeah, I think there

00:40:02.480 is a way it's in the, it's in the question. Is there a way to pursue perfection without falling

00:40:07.920 into action in action? It's the answer is in the question, pursue it. Meaning don't just think about

00:40:14.820 it, actually pursue it and put something out into the world that you can improve upon. But I actually

00:40:19.380 think this is a mindset thing. This is all in the mind. Like I have to have it perfect. It has to be

00:40:24.780 just right before I launch it. That's in your mind. It doesn't have to be because you've used

00:40:29.380 imperfect products that have developed later, have developed over time. You know, that iPhone

00:40:34.400 that's sitting in your pocket, the first iPhone wasn't perfect. Neither is this one. That's going

00:40:38.560 to come up with new features and new things based on market trends and based on what consumers want.

00:40:45.520 Sometimes you don't even know what the consumer wants when you put something out there. You know,

00:40:49.680 I didn't know what the iron council or even order of man was going to become, but the mindset shift

00:40:55.460 for me, and it wasn't much of a shift because I've never really had this paralysis by analysis type

00:41:00.100 mindset. But my mindset is not that my mindset is, man, let's just find out. Let's launch it and

00:41:09.200 build it along the way. Like that's what I want. I just want to find out if it'll work. And if it

00:41:13.740 doesn't work, I'm like, oh man, that doesn't work. But I don't think it's a failure. I'm like,

00:41:18.520 well, maybe if I tweak this one variable, then it will work. And then I test it. Okay. That worked

00:41:24.160 a little better, but what if I added this or took this away that works even better. And so you evolve

00:41:29.520 and you build this thing over time, but that, but I guess the mindset of it is I find great value

00:41:38.340 in and take pride in launching. That to me is more important. That's hardwired into my DNA

00:41:49.260 launching it. I value launching something more than I value having the perfect thing that never

00:41:58.260 goes live. So it's a, it's a belief or a value system right now. Your value is perfection.

00:42:05.520 What if your value was progress? And that's what you valued. You placed more of a priority on progress

00:42:15.400 than you did perfection. And you shifted that a little bit. Would that drive you to action? I think

00:42:20.540 it would. Yeah, for sure. I think I can relate to this more than you do, Ryan. You know this. I,

00:42:28.660 um, I get in my own way constantly where I feel I get really passionate about like how something should

00:42:36.660 go almost that I'm like the blinders are on and this is the ideal perfect scenario. And I'll,

00:42:42.060 I'll get kind of emotionally tied to it. Right? Like if Ryan sees it differently than me, I'm like,

00:42:47.600 you know what I mean? Cause this is, I know this is the right way. And there's some value to that,

00:42:53.000 right? Because I'm going to show up in that thing that I'm doing kind of in a really intentional,

00:42:58.520 intense kind of way that I think maybe gets maybe typically better results than others. How's that?

00:43:06.260 However, it's kind of arrogant. I'm kind of arrogant about it, right? Where I'm thinking,

00:43:13.800 no, this is the right way. And I don't know. I really don't know. I don't know if that's the

00:43:19.800 most perfect way. And, and I have to kind of put myself in check and say, no, no, I need to get

00:43:25.080 the reps in, right? We talk about this sometimes on the podcast about minimal viable product. Yeah.

00:43:30.240 You have this brilliant idea, test it out first. And I kind of need to do that more often in just

00:43:36.020 everything that I do of like, get in the reps, get it in front of people, get some confirmation that

00:43:42.160 what I need to do to tweak sometimes all delay, um, exposure of what I'm working on,

00:43:49.520 because I want to make it perfect before anyone sees it. And the problem with that is I don't know

00:43:55.440 what I don't know. And, and until I get exposure and reps in, I'm, I'm kind of being arrogant and

00:44:02.840 guessing that I know exactly what's what. And so back to already what you were saying, you know,

00:44:09.140 air on the side of action, but I see it as kind of reps. I need to get in reps, um, and get some

00:44:15.580 exposure and confirmation. And, but still I can focus on making it ideal and perfect.

00:44:21.060 But a lot of that, I think for me anyway, is, is a little bit of arrogance on my part that I think

00:44:27.160 my way is the way or the best way when reality is probably not, I hate to say that, but it's

00:44:34.640 probably not the best. Well, think about if you launch something you believe is perfect,

00:44:39.420 what room for growth does that allow you? None.

00:44:42.160 I mean, I'm not going to even take input from anybody when, when I know it's perfect.

00:44:46.680 Right. So if you're waiting for it to be perfect, let's say that day arrives, you're like,

00:44:50.660 this is perfect. And you launch whatever that thing is. We know it's not perfect. We a hundred

00:44:56.160 percent. No, it's not perfect. You think it is. You've wrapped up your identity into this perfect

00:45:00.900 project. And then you've closed yourself off to any opportunity for growth versus this concept of

00:45:07.240 progress and launching. We were talking about humility and arrogance earlier. It's, it's,

00:45:14.800 it's more humility to launch where you are and say, look, guys, I know this isn't perfect.

00:45:20.520 I don't know if this is even going to work. I feel convicted in it. I'm excited about it,

00:45:25.240 but like, let's try it and see what it does. I mean, when we did our first event or even the first

00:45:32.160 iron council iteration guy signed up, I didn't, and I told him like, I don't totally know what

00:45:37.200 this is going to look like. And I don't totally know what it's going to be. And when we had our

00:45:41.220 first event, we probably, I, you know, I came up with some things that we were going to go through.

00:45:46.520 Um, but we came up with the agenda probably two days before, you know, the actual thing,

00:45:53.180 like the finalized agenda. And then what that allows you to do is that allows you to be open

00:45:58.120 and receptive to feedback and ways to make it even better. So maybe there's some of that

00:46:02.800 humility versus arrogance conversation in there. Yeah. And I'm totally projected on this guy.

00:46:09.080 Aaron's like, dude, Kip, I'm not related to you. Right. In regards to how I feel about this,

00:46:13.200 but for me too, some of this is why do I want it to be perfect? Yeah. It's about me. It's about man.

00:46:21.840 If this thing gets rolled out and it looks perfect, guess what? Glory to Kip and his greatness,

00:46:27.300 you know, let me bask in how amazing I am versus did it serve its purpose? Right. Did it help?

00:46:36.620 Did I involve people in the process that needed to be involved for their buy? A lot of that has to do

00:46:43.700 with, with just me trying to prove myself, you know, to other people and looking good.

00:46:50.260 I, I, I wonder like, what is perfect anyways? There is no object objective standard of perfection.

00:46:57.760 Yeah. Like there's, there's, it's just not, it's not a thing. There is no such thing as perfect.

00:47:04.420 It's, it's what's good to somebody else might be horrible to another person. There is no.

00:47:11.220 Yeah. Let me, let me say it this way. If you said, Hey Kip, you know, how's that, how's that

00:47:15.320 material coming along? My, my, my excuse or reason to you would be putting in some solid time,

00:47:23.460 just really want it to be perfect. Just really want it to be perfect. Translation Kip. How's

00:47:28.980 that translate? How's that content coming along? Oh, it's going really good. I'm trying to make it

00:47:33.100 as best as it can be better than, um, you know, probably standard. And because I really want to

00:47:39.920 make sure that when I roll it out, you think really highly of me. Yeah. Yeah. It's you driven.

00:47:45.760 Yeah. That's a good, that's a good point. Oh, I guess then we have to figure out where on the

00:47:50.500 spectrum do you launch? You know, you have something that's broken that doesn't function

00:47:56.560 and you have something that's perfect that functions flawlessly. Well, okay. When, when do you launch?

00:48:01.300 If, if, if the intent of the launch, if you're clear on the intent, for instance, you put an

00:48:08.960 event together, what's the intent? Hey, I want to create this environment that leaves a lasting impact

00:48:14.860 for the men who sign up so they can walk away feeling, you know, profound and confident and

00:48:20.780 have some guidance direction on how to become better men. If that intent is pure, you're going to

00:48:27.200 launch at a window by which you ensure that that desired intent is going to be effective period.

00:48:33.980 Well, and there's things that you can do also, if you have a product, for example, you might say,

00:48:38.380 Hey, I know this isn't perfect. I know it has a long way to go, but I'd like to get five or 10 or

00:48:44.160 20 or a hundred, whatever the number is people to test it and you don't have to pay for it,

00:48:48.320 but I want you to test it for 30 days. And then I want you to give me raw, honest feedback.

00:48:54.600 What do you like? What do you dislike? What does it need? What does it not need?

00:48:57.200 And then there you launched, you actually launched something. You didn't charge anybody

00:49:01.820 for it, but you had them test it out. And now your second iteration is going to be that much

00:49:05.300 better. And maybe you do charge a little bit for it. And then the price goes up and up and up and up

00:49:09.800 as value is increased in the thing as well. Let's take one more kit. All right. Ryan James,

00:49:15.480 how to combat intense social anxiety. Well, you just got to be in social environments.

00:49:21.080 That's it. Reps. That's it. You just, you have to put yourself and it might start small,

00:49:25.760 right? You're not, you're not going to go put yourself on stage in front of a thousand people

00:49:31.360 today, but could you go to a business luncheon this afternoon? Sure. Yeah, absolutely. And go

00:49:37.900 prepared, right? What is your objective in going to that business luncheon? Well, it's to get better

00:49:41.900 at social interaction. So you, you learn a few questions that that's all you really need with

00:49:49.280 social interaction. That's the, that's the best thing about social interaction. You don't have to

00:49:54.360 impress anybody. You just have to be interested in other people because everybody wants to talk

00:49:58.940 about themselves. So if you learn to be a good, a good question asker, then you're fine. You're fine.

00:50:07.580 So I like the acronym frog. So friends and family. Okay. Recreation. It's like, what do you do for

00:50:16.160 recreation? Occupation. What do you, what do you do for work? What are your goals? That sort of thing.

00:50:22.400 And that's that last one, G goals and ambitions. So frog talk about their friends and family,

00:50:28.220 talk about recreation, talk about occupation, talk about goals and gains, as Kip would say.

00:50:34.220 Gangs join a gang.

00:50:35.620 Oh, gangs. I thought you said gains, gains. What gains are you looking for?

00:50:40.600 You know, if you learn to ask those questions, it's very simple. You know, it's very, look,

00:50:45.120 I've done things. I've been to social interactions where I feel awkward.

00:50:47.840 Um, and I've just approached people because I've tried this where two people are talking

00:50:54.080 and I just walk up to those two people and I'm like, guys, I know this is awkward.

00:50:59.660 I don't know anybody here, but you guys look like you've been here, you know, what's going on.

00:51:05.000 So I figured I'd come over and introduce myself. I'm Ryan.

00:51:07.140 You have like that level of just humility and just putting yourself out there and the guys are going

00:51:15.180 to be like, oh yeah, cool, man. No problem. Let me introduce you to Steve over here. And let me

00:51:18.180 tell you about this. It's so easy if you're willing to do it and be honest. But if you walk in there

00:51:23.520 and you're worried about your appearance and you're worried about how people perceive you,

00:51:28.280 man, just own wherever you go. Hey, somebody in the, maybe find somebody else in the corner who's

00:51:33.980 awkward and say, Hey, like, I noticed you're over here alone, man. I acted awkward. I came to this

00:51:40.720 thing alone and I don't really know anybody here. Do you know anybody here? And the guy's like,

00:51:44.380 I don't know anybody here. It's like, well, cool. Now we know each other.

00:51:48.000 Yeah. Just, just own it. And if you can own the fact it's, it's, it lightens it a little bit.

00:51:55.500 It takes the burden off of it for you, for you and for other people as well. So you just got to put

00:52:00.680 yourself in social environments and ask good questions and own the fact that you feel

00:52:05.420 uncomfortable. Guess what? Everybody else feels uncomfortable. They're just willing,

00:52:09.700 not willing to admit it. Yeah. Spot on. All right, gentlemen, call to action here.

00:52:16.760 Iron Council. Iron Council is opening up for membership in a couple of weeks. Yep.

00:52:22.100 To sign up, go to orderofman.com slash ironcouncil to stay connected. You can follow Mr.

00:52:28.340 on Twitter and Instagram at Ryan Mickler. And as well, keep in mind store.orderofman.com for all

00:52:36.700 of your swag needs coming into the holiday. But once again, probably the biggest thing is

00:52:42.240 Iron Council is currently closed, opening up in a couple of weeks. If you're wanting to join us

00:52:47.220 there starting the new year, go to orderofman.com slash ironcouncil. Right on guys. Appreciate you

00:52:53.180 again. Have a great Thanksgiving. A lot to be thankful for. We are thankful for you. I know I can

00:52:57.460 speak for Kip on that as well. And, uh, yeah, we'll be back on Friday until then go out there,

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Order of Man - November 23, 2022

Progress Over Perfection, Replacing a Full-Time Job, and Humility Over Arrogance ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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