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- November 03, 2020
Raising a King | BRECKEN MICHLER
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If you've been listening for any amount of time, you know what I think about modernity
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and masculinity. In fact, I'm often asked about my thoughts regarding raising children
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in times like these. And while I think my children's generation have some serious and
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unique challenges, I am very hopeful for them and how they will rise up in the face of those
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challenges. And today I'm joined by my oldest son, Brecken, to talk a bit about our relationship,
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the challenges our youth face. And I also ask him questions specifically from our Facebook group
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members about his own personal fitness journey that he's been on over the past six to eight
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weeks, including motivation, accountability, and discipline. Now guys, this is a great episode for
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any man who wants to tune in, but I would highly, highly suggest that you listen in. If you have
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children, listen with your children and you want them to be more motivated and disciplined.
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart
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your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time you are
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not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are.
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This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done, you can call
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yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler and I am the host and the
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founder of this podcast and the order of man movement. I have got one that's different for
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you today. Uh, I'm joined by my son. He's 12. He has been on a very powerful fitness and health
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transformation over the past six to eight weeks. And I had made a post in our Facebook group and
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on the socials. And a lot of you guys had congratulations for him, but you had a lot of
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questions as well, because you have your own children who you would like to see thrive and be
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motivated and disciplined as my son has been. So, uh, hype, hyper, uh, focused and disciplined over
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the past six to eight weeks. So I'm going to answer, or at least ask him some questions and let
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him answer those. And as I said earlier, if you have children, uh, then I would highly suggest you
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have them tune in and listen to this one before we get into the conversation. I do just very quickly
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All right, guys, without further ado, my son, again, 12 years old. Uh, he has been inspiring
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lately and he's been a beast when it comes to losing weight to getting strong over the past six to eight
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weeks. He's lost. Actually, I don't want to steal any of his thunder because he did talk about this
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and he's very excited about it. So he has lost a lot of weight. He's gained a lot of strength,
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uh, and he is on a terror as it comes to his fitness goals and ambitions. And I thought this would be
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a powerful and unique opportunity for him to share and for you to gain some insight for your own path
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as a father. Breckin, what's up, my man. Glad to have you back in studio. I mean, it's just our house,
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but glad to have you here nonetheless. Thank you. Pretty exciting morning. Uh-huh. What happened this
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morning? Got turkey down. Turkey down. That's right. How many hours do you think we put in
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hunting so far? Turkeys, that is. Oh, many hours. They're sneaky little bugs. They are. But we got
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one today, so that's good. Yeah. We were actually about to hit record on the podcast earlier, this
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podcast, and we looked out my office window and saw turkeys. And so what did we do? We booked it out
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there. We got out. We're walking around in the lower field and we think the turkey saw us and
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they turned around and started walking up more. So we hopped in the tree stand and some of them came
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down and, uh, the group called a few strays back. So they headed up and got scared off. And then we
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were driving back and we're like, Oh, we know where we're going. They're going. Yeah. We took that back
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road and, and, and sat right by where we thought they would be. And they came down exactly where we
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thought they would be. How are you feeling as you, uh, right before you went to take that shot?
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So shaky. I was like, they're going to see me and run off, but I think they did see me,
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but I just got a shot on them before they, before they totally caught on to you right there. And then
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I remember you shot and you like jumped up. You were so excited. I was like, shoot it again.
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And I'm like, what? And then I'm like, but it was a good shot. You shot him right in the face
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and, uh, blew out one of the, one of the bird's ribs. It looked like that thing was, was done for.
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And then we took it down, we tagged it and did everything we needed to. And then we took it down.
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I got it registered or I think registered. I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah. We registered it.
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And then, uh, we brought it back and what did we do?
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Cleaned it up, got some nice turkey breasts and some lakes, and we're going to cook them up on the
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Traeger tonight. Is that what we're doing? Traeger? Pretty sure. Mom's doing Traeger for us,
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huh? It's a good way to, uh, good way to start the day. I figured, you know, we were going to
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podcast, but I figured, man, that'd be a great way to start off the podcast and let the guys know
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that you've had some hunting success. That's the first animal that you've recovered. Correct?
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Yep. I mean, you've been on hunts and we've hunted and you've hunted with your grandpa and
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you shot a pig a couple of years ago in Texas. That was a dang good shot. I just think it was a
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little high and we never could recover it, but, um, it's got to feel good. Yeah. Right on that.
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It's good. Well, so I don't know if you know why I wanted to do this with you today, but, um,
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I had made a post and I think you knew that I made a post about your, uh, weight loss journey and you
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getting strong and fit and everything else that's been going on over the past eight weeks or so.
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And, uh, a lot of the guys were very impressed and they want to get their kids, their sons or their
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daughters on the same path. And they had some questions and rather than answering on a, on the
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Facebook group post, I thought, you know, we would just do that here and we'd bring you back in the
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studio and we would answer, or, or I would ask you some questions and then you can answer those
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questions. And then the idea would be that the men who are listening would invite their sons and or
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daughters to listen in. So hopefully they get some motivation because sometimes it's, it's different
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when it comes from a peer rather than if it comes from me or it comes from their dad. So I thought,
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okay, well, here's you at 12 years old. And if they're, you know, anywhere from, I would say nine
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to 16 or somewhere in there that they would actually be pretty inspired by what you've been doing.
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Yeah. Um, yeah, it's been fun that it's hard getting up and working out, but you say you work
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out, but you got to work on that diet. Like I would work out and I just get back and eat, but
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I wasn't losing any weight. So I'm like, I've been working out. I don't know what. And then you
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guys just told me that I'm eating a lot. So I've been doing a diet and working out and it's worked
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good. Yeah. So we're going to get into the specifics, into the nitty gritty, the details,
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and, uh, you can inspire us with your level of motivation and discipline, which, and I, I hope
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you know that I'm inspired by it. Thanks. Do you know that? Yeah. I moved. I've talked about,
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hopefully. I mean, I try to, I try to talk to you about those things. Yeah, you have. So I've been
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motivated, inspired by what you're doing. Cause usually it's you keeping me on track better than
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me or mom are keeping you on track. You've been super disciplined. Thanks. Even the guys that came
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out to our event, they knew how disciplined Chris, in fact, asked, he said, or he said that he had
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offered you a cinnamon roll or something. Nope. And you were like, nope. And he, he said he was super
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impressed with that. So anyways, good work, bud. Thanks. All right. Let's get into these
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questions. So again, these are from our Facebook group and these are specifically for you. So I'm
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going to fire away and, uh, let's get after it. Okay. All right. So Sean Saylor says, this is not
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like so much fitness, health, diet related, but he does say, what are some things that you wish you,
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you had been known or been taught? And we still have time cause you're still here. So what are some
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things that you wish maybe beforehand or even moving forward as you get older and become a young
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man? And you already are a young man, but even older, uh, what are some things that you would
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like to, to, to know or to be taught? Uh, I think I could use a little more discipline. I I've snuck a
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few snacks in. I need to be more disciplined. Yeah. That's surprising. I haven't seen it at the,
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at the beginning, but I've been getting more disciplined and, um, there's always something
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to learn. I don't know yet, but along the path I'll find out. I don't know yet.
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What are some things that you're excited about? Obviously hunting has been a big thing for you.
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You've really wanted to learn about hunting. Uh, not only is hunting good just because of what it is,
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but talk about a great source of healthy food. You know, that, that Turkey, for example,
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that you shot this morning, it was, it probably wasn't even more than an hour from the time that
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you shot it to the time that we registered to the time that we broke it down, brought it in the
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kitchen. Mom put it in some milk. Cause we've heard that with Turkey that takes away some of the
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gaminess. I mean that not even an hour that that's going to be the healthiest source of protein
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that you could possibly find. It's not processed beef jerky, which is more like a rubber stick.
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Although we do eat some of those, um, it's, it's high quality stuff. So hunting has been big.
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Uh, jujitsu has been something you've really been interested in and just, just strength,
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like lifting in general. I like, I've been doing a lot of CrossFit and I think that's fun because
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all the different movements and all the different things you can do to work on muscle and losing
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weight. Why, why have you been so motivated lately? It's been, like I said, it's been, I think six to
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eight weeks and I've, and I told the guys, I've never seen you as motivated as you are right now.
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So what is it like? Why right now? I think I've watched, uh, Mr. Olympia before and I'm inspired by
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those guys, the bodybuilders. And that's what got me sitting on the couch. I'm like, I need to get
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going. I need to be doing this. So that's what inspired me. What, uh, so Mr. Olympia. So they do
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like, now they're not CrossFitters. They do like strong men, like bodybuilders, powerlifting,
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not so much powerlifting. I think more, more bodybuilding. Bodybuilding. Yeah.
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Is that what you want to do? Or do you just already like CrossFit? Like what is it that
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specifically you want to do? Um, I have no clue. I really want to be fit and I feel like I'll have
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a better life if I'm fit. How so? In what ways? Uh, I feel like you'd be able to do more physical
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stuff and be able to get out and do more and without need to have a lot of discipline and
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all that stuff that comes along with it. So. I mean, it's true. I mean, that's what I tell the
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guys is, is wherever you improve in your life and let's just take fitness in your diet for in this
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instance, wherever you improve in your life, it's going to naturally and inevitably improve other
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areas of your life, whether it's your studies and your schoolwork, uh, or relationships with
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us as your parents or eventually with a girlfriend and fiance and a wife and children. That's weird to
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think about, huh? Yeah. You like girls yet? Yeah. Yeah. Have to admit. Yes. That's a good day.
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There's nothing wrong with that. We don't tease you about girls, right? Because we don't tease our
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family about girls because it's important and it's good. Like why would you tease somebody about
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something that's actually good and you want to encourage them to, to be engaged in? Yep.
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Care to elaborate? Nope. Just like Jocko. Good. Perfect. All right. Uh, let's move on from here. So Adam
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Boyce says, uh, he enjoys all of our podcasts, but this one he's very excited about. He's raising a,
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uh, rate, excuse me, raising a generation of young men that are accountable, disciplined
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and capable, uh, is one of the most important things that we as men do. So not really a question
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in there, but he's saying how important it is that we raise, uh, accountable, disciplined
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and capable men. What are your thoughts with that? Yeah. They're, they are able to lead more
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and they're someone to look up to and be inspired and motivated by. So we need more of stronger
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men around. And, and, and children too, right? Yep. Children, everyone. I mean, life's pretty
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easy if you think about it. Yep. Like if you get cold, you turn on the heater. If you get
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hot, you turn on the air conditioning. You want a piece of beef jerky. You don't have
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to go. I mean, you don't need to go out and hunt. You just go to the store. Just go down
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to the store and get some beef jerky or get, you know, that, that, that, that meat that's
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pumped full of hormones and all that sort of thing in order to, you know, drive the price
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up for it. And it's just not good, you know, so life. So what I've acknowledged and what
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I recognize is that life is pretty easy and we need to create some, some hardships for
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ourselves. So what, what I've seen you do, and you've been pretty active for years, but
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again, specifically over the past couple of months is you're very disciplined when it comes
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to your diet. You work out every single day without fail, sometimes twice a day, actually
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you're very active during the day. You're way more active than you would be in the past.
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Like normally you might, you know, sit down and take it easy and kind of bum out a little
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bit. But now, I mean, you're up and you're running around and we built that really cool
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pulley system in the barn yesterday. Yeah, that's fine. Tell them about that. Um, in his post,
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it said training Rocky style today. So have you seen Rocky for when you watch, have you seen
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any Rockies? I failed you. I failed you. All right. We'll get you on some Rocky movies,
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but continue. So we found some old pulleys that were in our barn and we found an old rope.
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So we're like, we'll just tie the pulley up there, put the rope on there. We had a lot
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of leftover tires from the previous owners. So we just threw those two tires down. We tried
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three. That was too heavy for me. But, uh, yeah, I just, we pull up the tires every day.
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How many have you done today? Two because my grip hurts super bad. Somebody Jitsu and yeah,
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we trained Jiu Jitsu this morning. Didn't we? Um, somebody had made a comment on our post about
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the pulley system and they said something like, where's your gloves? Men don't wear gloves.
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Exactly, man. We're trying to build strong, capable, calloused hands. We don't need any
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gloves to do that. What are your, what's your thoughts on gloves? Men don't wear them. That's
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what you think. Hey, you wear gloves hunting. So cause it's cold out there. Yeah. I don't wear gloves
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too much. I just don't like them. All right. You don't even wear gloves when we hunt. Nope.
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What's up with that? I'm a sav. You're a sav? What's a sav? Savage. Can't even say the full word,
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huh? No, it's just cooler if you say sav. All right. Fair enough. Bring that microphone in a
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little bit to you when you talk. Get it all up in your grill. There you go. Uh, all right,
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let's move on. So Chris, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, I think is how you'd pronounce his last name
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or Soraketti questions for your quote unquote, little guy. Not so little anymore. No, nope.
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Uh, what is it about your dad that motivates you? Uh, he's strong and he always goes and does stuff
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and, uh, he's never sitting on the couch too much. He's moving around, working out, going to jujitsu,
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hunting, traveling to hunt. And yeah. So you're inspired by how active I am. Is that what you're
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saying? Yeah. Active and how strong you are. And yeah. How about, um, what do you see in the way
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that I treat mom? What, tell me, tell me about your perception of the way that I show up, you know,
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the things that we do together, that sort of thing. It's important to, um, I don't know how to put it.
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It's important to look good. And, um, I don't know what to say. What do you mean? It's what,
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explain that important to look good, like me to look good for her. Is that what you're saying?
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Or what are you saying? Is that the question like that? No, I'm, I'm more asking, you know,
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like, what do you see? What lessons are you learning from the relationship that I have with mom?
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Um, that you guys love each other and you spend time together and you argue a little bit. Everyone
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does that, but yeah, it's just good to watch you guys in a relationship and, uh, going through
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stuff. I have no clue. No, I'm just, I'm looking at you. Is that good? It's your answer. Yeah. How do
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you feel about that answer? Okay. Yeah. Then it's good. Yeah. You don't, it's not, it's not a right
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or wrong thing. It's just, I, I am really curious as to whether like what you see, you know, what's
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good and, and what we could work on and what you like and what, how, when you see it, you know,
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what you take away and learn from it. Um, the other thing I really like doing together and we
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haven't talked about this yet too much is the store. Yep. I really like doing the store together.
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Mm-hmm. Listen to Cody jinx and packaging up, um, swag and all that stuff. It's fun.
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What's your favorite, what's your favorite element of the process? Um, is it signing notes? Is it
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packaging hats? Is it? I like writing the notes because I know that, uh, someone will get that
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note. Yeah. Just makes me feel good. Yeah. No, we get, I get it. I, and I try to show you,
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as many as I can, I can't show them all to you because I would be on the phone all day long,
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but there's guys, you know, who take pictures and, and they post that card that you write
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and they just, they love it. They love it. It is cool. Cause you did that. Uh, it's also cool to do.
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I like doing inventory and like reordering supplies cause we can see how much we've sold. And then
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you're learning a lot of practical skills as well. I mean, you're learning math, you're learning money
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management, you're learning inventory management, organizational systems, uh, how to, how to,
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how to be efficient, not fast, right. But efficient. So you're learning a lot of good stuff just through
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the process of having the store. More kids need to go through that and learn that stuff.
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I think so. I mean, school is important because you can learn a lot of some of the things that we
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talked about, but I think it's really valuable when you do it in a real world setting, like,
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like the store. Cause what happens when somebody, you know, gets the wrong size or we send it to
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the wrong address that costs us money. It makes us not look as favorable in their eyes. So there's
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real world consequences for not doing it correctly and not doing as a good and efficiently and
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effectively as we can. Or when our inventory is off and somebody orders an extra large, cause it
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says we have one in inventory and we actually don't remember they ordered a double extra large and
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we had to refund their money. Right. Cause we want to make sure they get taken care of. But still
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that that's, I try to look at it and think, okay, well, they're going to be, that person's
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now going to be disappointed. Yep. And I don't want people to be disappointed when they think
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of what we're doing. I want them to be, I want to exceed expectations. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't
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feel good letting someone down like that, like not having their shirt or like that guy with
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a PayPal, PayPal e-check. Like we couldn't send his order out till that went through. It's just,
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yeah, that's how work goes. Yeah. Well, I like that you said it, it doesn't feel good to let
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people down. Talk about that a little bit. Uh, you just get the feeling inside your gut
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and it doesn't feel good. You just want to fix it. So we try fixing most of the stuff
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comes across like refunding, sending them this, the right shirt size, all that stuff. Usually
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we'll, we'll throw a little something extra in there, like a decal or something. Yep.
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Yeah. No, it's good. It's good. You know, like it's funny because in most of society, it seems like
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people are working so hard to ensure that you never have any moment where you would feel bad
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about something. What do you think about? Do you understand what I'm saying? Like most of society is
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trying to make it easy and comfortable so that you and other children don't, don't ever feel bad.
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But what do you, what do you think about that? It makes you stronger mentally. If you have,
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if you go through hard things, like I forgot, like hard times create strong men,
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good times create weak men or something like that. Yeah. I think it goes, uh, uh, hard times create
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strong men, strong men create good times, good times, good times create weak men, weak men create
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hard times. Yep. That's a great quote. I like that quote. It's good that you know that. And so
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that's, what's funny is society has done a lot of kids and injustice by keeping them bubble wrapped
00:21:49.680
and keeping them safe and ensuring, you know, they never feel bad or get their feelings hurt.
00:21:54.860
And there's a bully punch them in the nose. That's all you got to do. Am I right?
00:21:58.680
I think that's all you need to do. I think you're right. So making yourself capable to be able to do
00:22:03.300
that and the confidence to stand up for yourself. Some kids just don't have that confidence because
00:22:07.320
they've never been put in a situation that's tough. You know, like when we were at jujitsu this
00:22:12.260
morning, you know, you roll with two grown men, you're training with two grown men and we don't
00:22:18.060
totally take it easy on you. No. I mean, we scale back so you can work through the things,
00:22:21.760
but still you're working hard, but that's good, you know, and it's uncomfortable and it's hard.
00:22:27.460
And at times I'm sure it's discouraging maybe for you with Brody. If he gets me caught in
00:22:32.740
something. Yeah. Oh, frustrating. Don't know how to get out of it. And just it's good. Yep. It's
00:22:39.820
good because it gives you a new perspective and a new lens to look at things through. All right,
00:22:43.380
let's move on. Uh, Tom Russell, he says, it sounds like he has done a very, uh, done very well
00:22:49.960
holding himself accountable. He's talking about you. I would like to hear some of the strategies
00:22:54.040
for holding yourself accountable. We'll definitely tune in with my 12 year old son.
00:22:58.560
So he's got a 12 year old son. This is Tom Russell. So he wants to hear your thoughts,
00:23:03.680
your ideas, your strategies on holding yourself accountable. What does accountability mean to
00:23:07.940
you first? Let's, let's hit that first. It means that you're, I've said this a lot, disciplined
00:23:14.020
and you know, your responsibilities and you fulfill those responsibilities.
00:23:19.220
So when it comes to responsibility, why? So you have, you have a lot of responsibilities. The
00:23:25.100
store is one of them, uh, doing chores and things around the house. You have schoolwork. There's
00:23:29.800
responsibilities around here that you have. Why do you feel like that's important? Because that's
00:23:34.140
one of the things you said is that I'm accountable to my responsibilities. What, what, what makes you
00:23:39.180
accountable? Why is that important? What's your mindset there? Uh, I know it makes your family
00:23:43.840
proud that you're listening to them and doing what they want you to do and, um, helps you a lot.
00:23:50.860
And it gives you something to do and like a pet, something to take care of and make sure you,
00:23:57.000
yeah. You know what I'm saying? I know what you're saying. Yeah, no, I get it. Uh, you have a dog,
00:24:03.040
you know, you have other responsibilities. And so it's not always fun to have to let the dogs out,
00:24:08.060
you know, late at night before you're going to go to bed or, uh, or, or do the dishes. You know,
00:24:12.500
sometimes you're like, well, I just want to go play. Well, okay. But you got to do the dishes
00:24:15.760
first. Yeah. So what, so accountability is, is doing the things that you said you're going to do
00:24:22.120
that you committed to doing. So Tom says here, what are some strategies for holding yourself
00:24:27.440
accountable? Um, we're doing, well, I'm doing Steve Weatherford's monobolic metabolic, metabolic,
00:24:35.520
uh, reset. And the thing that you do is you eat big meals, like healthy meals, uh, breakfast is eggs
00:24:44.920
and sausages. And that will help you, um, stay not, you won't be hungry throughout the day till the next
00:24:55.280
meal because you had a big healthy meal before the other. So you're not doing a bunch of snacking
00:25:01.040
throughout the day, which is like what, I mean, let's be honest, that's what you used to do. Right.
00:25:04.540
Yeah. And that's what I do a lot too, is I liked it. I like to snack late at night.
00:25:09.140
That's my downfall. Chips and salsa. Chips and salsa. That's right. Everybody knows that about me
00:25:13.420
because I've talked about it on the podcast. Um, so, all right, so let's, uh, so you're doing Steve
00:25:19.080
Weatherford's metabolic reset, which is really cool. You and mom are doing that. Let's say that, uh,
00:25:24.320
mom makes a delicious batch of cinnamon rolls or brownies or these delicious items and you see
00:25:33.440
one sitting on the counter and nobody's looking and you're like, dang, that looks really good.
00:25:38.300
What? Cause I know you, you wouldn't have one. Oh, last night with the Pillsbury biscuits. Like I was
00:25:44.060
like, I like looked at the nutrients facts. I'm like, no, too much. Yeah. I was like, no, no, no.
00:25:50.160
So, so, but what is it that keeps you accountable or keeps you on track? Are there things that you
00:25:56.900
say to yourself? Like, okay, I want those, I want those biscuits. Give me those, give me them
00:26:02.120
biscuits. Or, or is there like, what is it that you do to like not eat the biscuits? Cause I want to
00:26:09.940
eat the biscuits. And so do other people. Um, usually I grab a fruit, like an apple or banana. That's
00:26:15.740
what I have if I'm hungry during the day or something. And sometimes with breakfast, I have
00:26:22.260
milk. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so you just replace it with something else. You just substitute it out
00:26:27.460
for something that's healthier. Cause fruits and vegetables are good to have. Yeah. Oh yeah,
00:26:32.960
definitely. So that's what I do. Um, what's, so what are your, what's your goal? Like I know
00:26:38.240
you want to talk about your, your stats right now. So let's talk about your weight. Okay. Um,
00:26:43.740
so what do you weigh right now? Uh, 134. Okay. And you are down how much? 20 pounds,
00:26:50.680
20 pounds in like a couple of months, which is awesome. Yeah. And then what was your body fat
00:26:56.120
percentage when you started? Uh, like 22 body fat and now it's 16 body fat. That's awesome.
00:27:03.020
That's so good. What are you trying to get to? Uh, I'd like to get, try to get to 15 and then I want
00:27:09.820
to try going down to 10. 10 is pretty low. Yeah, I know. We'll look at it. If I keep building that
00:27:16.160
muscle. Yeah. And we can always evaluate it too. Like, you know, okay. So, okay. So you got,
00:27:21.200
uh, 16 trying to get under 15 now is your goal, right? You said, okay. And then what,
00:27:26.400
so do you remember your, uh, muscle percentage? Do you remember?
00:27:31.060
I was like 46 and now I'm at 50% muscle. So is it 50% or 50? Yeah. 50%? Yeah. That's awesome. So 4%
00:27:41.580
in muscle mass is what you've put on. Yep. So you've lost six pounds in body fat or excuse me,
00:27:48.120
6% in body fat and you've gained 4% in muscle mass over that same timeframe. Yep. Dang kid.
00:27:56.280
Uh, what other goals do you have? Do you have goals to compete in bodybuilding? Is that something
00:28:02.800
that sounds interesting to you? I'd like to try CrossFit games and Olympics and the Highland
00:28:09.560
games sound pretty fun. That would be cool. We need to look into that. Yep. You're going
00:28:13.980
to be a big kid. How tall do you think you're going to be? Uh, 6'2". I bet you're going to
00:28:19.260
be taller than that. Like grandpa or something like Andy, like 6'4". I think you're going to
00:28:24.360
be six, three or six, four. You think when, when do you think if ever you'll be able to
00:28:30.260
take me? Never. The answer is never. No, you're getting older. I'm getting stronger. I might
00:28:37.920
be getting older. I'm also getting stronger and I'm also getting wiser at an accelerated
00:28:42.280
pace. Okay. So let's, let's hear an answer. When do you think you'll be able to take me?
00:28:49.360
A year? 25. At age 25? Dude, that's like 13 years away. I don't know. It's going to take
00:29:02.580
you 13 years to be able to compete with me? Probably 16. 16? In four years you think you're
00:29:10.580
going to be able to take me? Take me at what? What's the competition? I don't know. There's
00:29:16.640
lots of competition. Yeah. Pick one. What do you think? Arm wrestling. You think at age
00:29:21.920
16 you're going to beat me at arm wrestling? Yeah. Yeah, I do. Okay. Deal. You got, you
00:29:27.560
guys heard it, heard it here. So at 16, Bracken and I are going to arm wrestle and see. Anything
00:29:33.580
else? How about jujitsu? How long before you can take me at jujitsu? A while. You're pretty
00:29:40.180
good. It's all relative. Hey, you're a blue belt. Yeah, I am, but it's all relative. There's
00:29:45.100
always somebody bigger, faster, stronger, smarter, better than you. It's going to be
00:29:48.700
me. All of those things? You're going to be better than me? I hope so. That's the
00:29:52.980
goal, right? Like that, shouldn't that be my goal as a father? Yeah. Like I hope that
00:29:57.680
you're bigger, faster, smarter, more successful, all of those things than I am. I hope that.
00:30:03.200
I'll still always be able to take you. Old man's strength always prevails.
00:30:06.440
You're laughing. All right. Moose says. Moose? Moose. Mustafa Abdul Wahid, but he goes by
00:30:15.440
Moose. He's in the Iron Council. He's one of our team leaders in the Iron Council. He
00:30:19.200
says, what challenges do you set for yourself? Do you want to set for yourself next? We kind
00:30:24.440
of talked about that a little bit. And then also what scares you to think about doing?
00:30:30.160
Like scares in a good way, not like afraid, but like what's like a goal where you're like,
00:30:34.220
I'm a little afraid of that, but it would be good for me. That sort of thing.
00:30:39.240
Trying to think of a goal that I'm scared of. Well, there's probably a lot of goals that I'm
00:30:43.460
scared of. Let's hear them. Can't think of any right offhand. Maybe that's something you should
00:30:49.720
think about. Yeah. Is like, what is something that you're nervous about, but you want to do,
00:30:55.380
but it's a little scary and you'd really have to push outside of your comfort zone.
00:30:59.900
I can't think of one right now. I know. And then what I'm saying is maybe this is a good time to
00:31:03.680
start thinking about those things. Yeah. Cause we have this area that we operate and that's our
00:31:09.960
comfort zone. Right. And so imagine this comfort zone is a circle and we're right in the middle
00:31:14.000
and we'll do all of these little things and activities from hunting and trying new things
00:31:18.260
and going to CrossFit and jujitsu and schoolwork and approaching girls, like all of these things,
00:31:23.180
just wherever in that circle that we're already comfortable with, but no additional growth takes
00:31:28.480
place in that circle. All of the growth takes place outside of the perimeter of that circle
00:31:33.940
and you're on where you're uncomfortable, right? There's no comfort. There's less comfort in those
00:31:40.640
things. But when you're uncomfortable, that's when you learn new things. That's when you get new
00:31:45.520
feedback. You know, like when you go to jujitsu, when you very first started, you were probably pretty
00:31:51.060
nervous, right? Yeah. And some grown men. Yeah. So that was outside of your comfort zone. Do you get
00:31:58.420
nervous now? Sometimes. Maybe a little. Probably learn something new at night. But is it, is it easier
00:32:05.540
or harder for you now? It's definitely easier. Right. Cause your comfort zone expanded. And now if
00:32:12.600
you want to get better, you got to step out of that and then out of that and then out of that.
00:32:17.180
Yeah. Cole was scary with rolling with. Cole was, he was. Those bread cutter chokes. I have
00:32:22.640
bruises on my sternum. And he's got those like long, like strong bony limbs where he would just
00:32:29.820
dig his elbows or forearms or shins. Even me, like he would dig, I mean, what is he? 15, 16 years old?
00:32:36.400
15. 15. And he would dig his shins right across my leg. I'm like, Oh, that hurts. Yeah. It hurts.
00:32:42.220
Yep. But you're still going. He's got to come back. We got to get him coming back. He's got school
00:32:46.660
and things. So he, it's a little tougher for him, but yeah. Um, any other goals or challenges that
00:32:51.820
you want to do next? Uh, I'd like to try building more muscle if that's a challenge. Yeah. That's a
00:32:59.140
challenge. Well, like muscle, where, where do you want to build more muscle? Obviously everywhere,
00:33:03.420
but like, where do you want to focus? Um, I'd like to get some abs, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do some
00:33:09.220
core exercises. Cool. I like that. We can use that pulley for some core exercises. Oh yeah. Like some
00:33:15.740
twisting. You could hold it. Yeah. You could lay down and like pull it or do some crunches
00:33:21.200
with it. Um, or you can, you can sit and you could just keep the tire suspended and then
00:33:26.780
just twist and do like 10 of those as you're pulling, but you've got to keep your arms tight
00:33:30.920
and then just pull them down and then switch. Now you're twisting the other way. That would
00:33:35.520
really help. Yeah. So you just be a little creative and you do it every day, right? Somebody had
00:33:40.060
said something about like, Oh, is he going to get burned out with training every day?
00:33:44.080
No. Your body just evolves to what you demand of it, you know? So, all right. It's weaker
00:33:51.680
when I don't do training. That's right. Yeah. All right. So Lee, Leandro, Bella, Verna,
00:34:00.000
Verno, Vernocchi. So I would say that Leandro, Bella Vernocchi. This is amazing. Ryan
00:34:04.900
Mickler is an example of the good harvest of what has been sown. Uh, would he like to answer
00:34:09.000
the things he will advise others on his age to become more disciplined? Uh, so he's, he's saying
00:34:14.420
what advice do you have for somebody your age so that they can be more disciplined, uh, and
00:34:20.860
motivated? Um, eating and working out. You could be, that's hard a little better. Yeah. That that's
00:34:30.300
hard getting up and saying, gotta go work out. It's hard. Once you're sitting on that couch,
00:34:35.400
you're like, gotta go work out. It's hard getting up from the couch and going and working
00:34:39.960
out. Totally. Yeah. Why do you do it? Me? Yeah. Oh, because I want to keep my body like
00:34:47.020
this. Why? That's what you have to do. Cause it feels good. It just feels better. Feels
00:34:53.080
like you're not dragging around that extra weight and feel light and lean and light and
00:34:58.500
lean. Awesome. Yep. Cool. I like it. Anything else to help others your age be more disciplined
00:35:05.260
and motivated? Maybe not necessarily like what, I mean, what is important, but maybe there's
00:35:10.720
some, some mindset, some things they could be thinking about. Um, it's hard. Think on that
00:35:21.480
a little bit. Okay. Think on that. Planning has been important for you. Planning out your
00:35:28.360
day, thinking about what you want to accomplish. That stuff's important. And you also have,
00:35:34.140
I mean, obviously I'm a bit biased when I say this, but you also have parents who are deeply
00:35:38.460
vested in making sure that you're doing these things too. Yeah. So we're presenting these
00:35:42.460
opportunities and I'm not trying to toot on my own horn here, but we do need to acknowledge
00:35:46.420
that there's always other people who will help us along the path. You know, for example,
00:35:52.180
when we were out hunting this morning, we had some success this morning, which was great.
00:35:57.180
Well, we never would have been in this situation if it weren't doing the podcast, if we were doing
00:36:02.520
the podcast. But what I was going to say is we'd never be in this situation. If it were not for
00:36:06.880
Colin Cottrell taking me on my first hunt, taking you on your first hunt, it's always important that
00:36:12.840
we acknowledge that there's other people who've helped us to get to where we are. It's never us
00:36:18.400
by ourselves. There's things that you have done a very good job on, but there's also opportunities
00:36:23.780
like mom gets up with you three days a week. I get up with you two to three days a week early. I mean,
00:36:30.060
we're talking five o'clock in the morning to get up and do those things. So we need to acknowledge
00:36:34.780
others on the path as well. That's important. Cool. Looks like we've got a couple more here. Okay.
00:36:38.880
Okay. All right. So Charles Jake Messimer says, what do you feel your father has given you morally?
00:36:45.320
Do you know what morally is? Morally is your, like who, who you are more than your, your strength
00:36:55.000
and your physical, it's your spiritual wellbeing. It's the way you think about things. It's the,
00:37:01.740
it's knowing the difference between right and wrong. That's moral morality. What do you feel your
00:37:08.260
father has given you morally that has helped you be on the path of becoming a better human?
00:37:13.960
And that's his first question. And then, uh, I'll ask his follow-up question to that in a minute.
00:37:20.240
Um, just every time you fall getting back up, like, like, um, last week he didn't train too much
00:37:28.860
because he had the kids, but this week you're trying to get as much training as, as in as you can
00:37:35.040
so that you can go hunt. And then when you come back, you can train more. Yeah.
00:37:40.740
So if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying still honoring your commitments, even
00:37:45.360
though things come up, you, you see me doing that and that motivates you. Yeah. Cool. What else?
00:37:52.540
There's a whole bunch.
00:37:53.780
What lessons, what are some of the important lessons do you feel like I've taught you throughout
00:38:01.600
your life up to this point? Oh, that felt good. Pop those knuckles. Yeah. Um, I don't know.
00:38:11.380
Just like, just never giving up. Like I said on that next one, it's really, I feel like you've done
00:38:19.520
that a lot. Like, um, when I slept in for the event workout, you're like, come on, you gotta
00:38:27.640
go do burpees in the cold grass. I'm like, oh, come on. Hey man, you snooze, you lose. Yeah.
00:38:34.620
Is that my fault or your fault for you not getting up? My fault. Even though you were supposed
00:38:39.840
to wake me up, it's my fault still. Well, I did tell you I was going to wake you up and
00:38:44.400
I just forgot cause I got excited and it went out there. So I will take some, some burden
00:38:49.780
of responsibility, but also you can get up too. Yeah. Set the alarm. That's right. All
00:38:57.420
right. Cool. Uh, he also says, this is his followup question. Then we'll get to the last
00:39:01.060
one here in a minute. Uh, what actions of mine stand out to you that motivate you?
00:39:08.280
And you're looking at me like, you don't, what, what is it that I do? So you see me
00:39:17.460
okay. On a daily basis, right? You see me working, you see me interacting with you guys.
00:39:21.160
You see me doing the store. You see me hunting. You see me networking. You see me podcasting.
00:39:25.960
You see me doing jujitsu. I mean, I'm doing a lot of things every single day. I'm on social
00:39:30.100
media. What of those things stand out? And you're like, man, I really see him doing these
00:39:35.220
things. Cause here's what, here's why these guys are asking. They want to know what they
00:39:39.740
can do so that they can motivate and inspire their children. Uh, I like how you cut out
00:39:45.680
time for us. Like, um, usually it's at night. You always come up and build Legos with us.
00:39:53.780
And it's just nice that you've been working all day and you save some time to hang out
00:39:58.420
with us and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I try to do that and it's becomes increasingly difficult
00:40:03.360
with four kids. Yeah. But like, if you think about yesterday, I mean, we did a lot yesterday.
00:40:09.640
Can't even remember. We went hunting. Didn't we go hunting in the morning?
00:40:13.040
No, it was Sunday yesterday. Oh, that's right. Yeah.
00:40:16.060
Wasn't it? No. Yeah. What day is it? It's Monday. It's Monday. Okay. Yeah. So we didn't go
00:40:20.800
hunting. No, but we did, we did do something else. It wasn't hunt. That's why it wasn't hunting.
00:40:25.040
We did something else outside. Did the pulley thing? No, before that it's along the same lines
00:40:32.500
as hunting. Something with the food pot. No. Really? You can't remember? Oh, a tree stand.
00:40:40.320
Yeah. A tree stand. I was like, oh. We set up the tree stand. Which is a pain. It was a
00:40:46.500
pain. It's heavy. It's still a pain. It's kind of sketchy climbing up there every day. Yeah.
00:40:51.060
So we did that. And then we built the pulley. And then I also helped Eli. Eli came out and
00:40:57.920
helped me build the Lego table. So, I mean, it's hard to get that time with all of you
00:41:03.740
guys. Yeah. But I tried it. Eli's probably not going to hunt with us because he just is
00:41:07.880
not that interested. But he's like, let's build a Lego table. I'm all about it for sure.
00:41:12.240
Right? So doing the things that are meaningful to you, not the things that are necessarily
00:41:16.920
meaningful to me. Although I do like Legos and I do like hunting. So pretty safe there.
00:41:21.940
Cool. All right. Let's take the last one here and then we'll be done. Okay. So Jerry Lee
00:41:26.360
says, what is the biggest physical difference that you have noticed?
00:41:33.980
I've just lost weight in my belly. Is that stomach? Belly, stomach. Not kid word, belly.
00:41:42.240
Love handles have gone down. Yep. Fat in my armpits. My face has leaned out. Yeah, your face
00:41:50.500
has totally leaned out. Lost a little bit of a double chin. Yeah. What about from a strength
00:41:56.220
perspective? Do you feel stronger or do you just know you're stronger? Yeah, I feel stronger.
00:42:00.780
You feel like things are easier to move around. You're getting stronger at the gym? Mm-hmm.
00:42:06.960
How about jujitsu? Do you feel like you're stronger? You're able to better like hold yourself
00:42:10.640
and move and jujitsu is hard because the whole goal of somebody else is to make you feel like
00:42:16.860
you're skating on ice, you know? So just keeping you off balance. Yeah. Okay. So his follow-up
00:42:23.620
question is what is the biggest mental and emotional difference that you've noticed since being on
00:42:29.060
your journey? Uh, I definitely feel better about myself. Is that mental? That's mental. That's a
00:42:36.620
confidence thing. Absolutely. I feel way better about my body and yeah. What do you think about
00:42:43.380
emotional? So emotional, like emotional would be like if, cause it's okay to be emo, it's okay to
00:42:52.340
have emotions, right? Like people say, well, you know, it's okay to cry. Yeah. Sometimes. And
00:42:57.340
sometimes it's not okay to cry, but emotions are your feelings. So do you feel like you were able to
00:43:03.800
better control those emotions? Do you feel like you're more resilient or tougher emotionally that
00:43:10.280
things don't get to you? Is that something you feel or no? Maybe a little tougher with my emotions. Like
00:43:17.800
I don't throw fits too much anymore. Yeah. I mean, that's a good, that's, that's important because a lot
00:43:26.220
of the times when, you know, you're, you're not pushing against anything hard, whether it's another
00:43:31.820
human or weights or whatever, you know, you have no frame of reference for what is hard and what
00:43:37.200
isn't. And so, you know, you, you have a bad day at school and it's like, if you just got done
00:43:44.260
getting your butt kicked to jujitsu, then the day at school, isn't going to be as bad because it's not
00:43:50.640
as hard as what you did at jujitsu or you do a really hard workout. Cause I know you come home and
00:43:55.440
you get, get done with CrossFit and you're like, dad, my legs hurt so bad. And then everything else
00:44:00.660
just doesn't seem quite as hard. That makes you that you're more emotionally and mentally resilient.
00:44:08.040
Do you know what that means? Resilient? Talking to them, talking to the mic. I've heard you say a few
00:44:14.320
times, but resilient means you're able to just carry on in the face of hardship. So, you know, if,
00:44:21.600
if, uh, somebody says something to you or you have a bad experience or you get a bad,
00:44:27.980
uh, school day or you get in trouble at home, resilience is the ability to drive on, to do the
00:44:37.420
things that you know you should be doing and not let those types of things deter you. I'll give you
00:44:41.360
another great example. I know you've been pretty discouraged about hunting, right? And so one thing
00:44:46.940
that's really cool about you is you're very resilient when it comes to that, because, uh,
00:44:52.600
a lot of, a lot of kids your age would probably just not hunt anymore. They'd be like, this is stupid.
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Uh, I don't want to do this anymore. That kind of thing. Uh, and yet you're like, no, let's keep
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going. Sorry. I get these notifications. Let me turn this off there. Okay. There we go. And so you're
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like, no, let's keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. That's resilience. Yesterday. I was
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you're so frustrated. I was mad. Well, we went and sat on Saturday. We went and visited some friends
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and, uh, your, your friend shot a really nice eight point and you were excited for him for sure.
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But you were also kind of like, I want to shoot something. I want to shoot the eight point that's
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in our property, but he comes out too early. So I'm like, never going to get a deer. Nothing's
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going to work. Come out today and kill a turkey. Feels good. Yeah. You just got to put yourself
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time in the field, right? Just time in the game. Just, and you, I remember you saying Saturday
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night, you're like, well, how come he gets all the things? And I, and what did I say about it?
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Do you remember? No. You said, well, how come like he's out there and how come he got that
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buck to come in? Oh yeah. Time in the field. That's what I said. Right. I said,
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they're out there all the time. His dad's taking them out. He's out. He knows where
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the deer are. He's watching them. He's scouting them. They were sitting in the field last year
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when you guys, you and him went hunting together, you were out there for hours and hours and hours
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over a course of two or three days. Time in the field. You got to keep yourself in the
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game. Yep. And then, and then you have something that pays off. Yeah. Like today, I mean, we
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went down there to that lower trail and we, I thought we spooked them cause I didn't see
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them and I'm like, ah, discouraged. Right. So what do people do? They quit, but we didn't
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quit. We said, all right, let's go this way and we'll go up to the tree stand. We get up
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to the tree stand. We were there in the tree stand for about an hour thinking maybe they'd
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come down. They didn't come down. An hour. We were up there for an hour. We got in there
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at 10, let's see, we got in there at 10, 15 ish and we got down just after 11. So maybe
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just under an hour. So we get down and right as we get down, I'm like, let's you actually,
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you said, you're like, I said, do you want to go back? And he said, let's just peek up over
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this hill and we walked up over that hill and we saw him. So we got in the truck and
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we went around and we ambushed him and it's just, it's resilience and you give yourself
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a bunch of at bats. Yep. That was fun. That was fun. You're still in cloud nine about it,
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huh? Yeah. All right, man. Well, that was the last question. So that's what the guys wanted
00:47:23.680
to hear. Uh, any parting words of wisdom for the men listening and they're going to be
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dads mostly, uh, or their, their sons and daughters who are listening. Um, just go do
00:47:35.920
it. Just go do it. Just go get to work. Stop thinking about it. Do you want to send the ladies
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who are listening a message or anything? All right, buddy. Stay cool. Hey man, I love you. I appreciate
00:47:52.900
you. Love you too. It's exciting to watch you grow and develop and become a fine young man. Um, I told
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the guys, you know, I would stare at you when you were born and just like, look at what we have
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created. You know, mom and I have created. And even now I watch you and I see you grow and develop and
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at times struggle and other times do really well and figure things out and just like keep fighting and
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keep going through it. And it's really cool to watch. It's cool to be part of. So I love you.
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Love you too. All right. Thanks bud. Thank you.
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Gentlemen, there you go. My conversation with my son Brecken. I hope that you enjoyed that one.
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As I said, in the beginning of the show, a little bit different than we have done in the past, but
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what a powerful opportunity. And I feel like if I have a chance to have him come in and
00:48:38.380
have a formal interview conversation, then I need to take advantage of it. And I hope that you're
00:48:43.240
tuning in with your kids and listening in and that you have some, some fuel, some motivation for them
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to maybe get on their own kicks and to have some of their dreams and desires and work hard towards
00:48:54.480
those objectives. If you enjoyed the podcast, please let me know. And if you do let me know,
00:49:00.120
then I will make sure to pass that along to Brecken. He does not have social media. He's young still.
00:49:04.840
So we don't let the kids have social media. But if you, if you do share something with me on Instagram
00:49:10.420
or Facebook or Twitter, wherever you're doing the social media thing, and you want to tell him
00:49:14.620
something specific, then I will ensure that I make sure that he gets the message and, and, uh,
00:49:20.700
here's from you, uh, through, through, through me, his father. All right. So, uh, please connect with
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00:49:48.900
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00:49:54.420
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