Order of Man - REMI ADELEKE ｜ Whatever You Do, Do it Right

00:00:00.000 We're all tempted at times to cut corners, to take the path of least resistance and to do work

00:00:04.920 less than we're capable of doing. It's easy to do in this easily distracted, overly stimulated

00:00:10.260 environment we all operate in. My guest today, former Navy SEAL Remy Adelaike is a prime example

00:00:15.520 of doing work right, despite our desire to take the easy route. Author of his latest book,

00:00:21.520 Chameleon, Hollywood director and consultant and TV reality show star Remy knows what he wants,

00:00:26.880 what he doesn't and how to pursue everything with an eye towards exceptionalism and mastery.

00:00:32.660 Today we talk about not becoming a quote, one note guy, getting over the fear of missing out

00:00:37.400 when declining opportunities, why writing is one of the best ways to articulate your thoughts.

00:00:42.160 Also why it's a mistake to write off the success of others and timeless advice he learned from his

00:00:47.500 mom, like the mantra, whatever you do, do it right. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest,

00:00:53.660 embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one

00:00:59.440 more time. Every time you are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is

00:01:06.620 your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is

00:01:12.440 said and done, you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan

00:01:18.180 Michler. I'm the host and the founder of the order man podcast and movement. Welcome here and welcome

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00:02:50.040 let's hit it today on today's podcast. I mentioned earlier, my guest today is former Navy SEAL,

00:02:55.500 Remy Adelaike. His resume consists of not only his military training, but Hollywood actor, director,

00:03:02.060 and consultant to some of the most prolific directors of today, including with his work on

00:03:07.760 transformers and TV reality star on his work with the TV show, special forces world's toughest test.

00:03:14.200 He is also the author of his book transformed and his latest book, which is his first attempt

00:03:18.700 in the fiction genre. It's called chameleon. Uh, to me, what makes Remy so fascinating is that he seems

00:03:24.680 to be trying at all and succeeding in whatever he seems to pursue. Although I'm sure he could talk

00:03:29.700 about his failures as well. Uh, and there are so many specialists out there. And while I know there

00:03:34.580 is value in being a specialist, Remy's a man who is pushing the bounds, constantly expanding his

00:03:39.240 capacity and having a lot of fun along the way. So enjoy this one guys. Remy, what's up, man? It's

00:03:46.800 great to see you again. I know we've stayed in contact, but it's been a long time since I saw you

00:03:50.400 in Vegas and we did that first conversation. Yeah. You know, I was so funny. I was thinking about that

00:03:55.060 the other day. I was like, where were we when we got together? Was it Utah? Was it Tennessee? I

00:04:00.700 couldn't remember. So you just reminded me it was Vegas. I didn't know it was, that was the last

00:04:04.320 place we were there, you know, place, last place that dropped in my mind, but yeah.

00:04:08.520 Yeah. We were in Vegas and with American dream, you Phil Randazzo was gracious enough to let us use

00:04:14.760 his studio. I don't even remember how we got connected. Maybe I reached out or a mutual friend

00:04:18.740 connected us. I don't know, but I'm glad we did.

00:04:20.960 Yeah. Yeah. You hit me up. Well, I think it was, you hit me up on Instagram. It was like,

00:04:24.500 and I, you know, I was like, yeah, dude, let's jump on. Let's do it. And it was a good pod,

00:04:28.020 brother. Yeah. Before we're jumping in again, you've had a lot of changes though. Not even

00:04:33.140 changes, just growth. I would say, uh, over the past, um, I don't know what it's been maybe four

00:04:39.020 or five years since we initially did that conversation, but from, you know, films and I'm not talking

00:04:44.940 about films that you're doing yourself, although you are, but I'm talking about like major features.

00:04:49.240 We got different books in different genres. You've got documentaries. You did a TV show. I'm

00:04:54.680 like, dang, this guy's doing everything. Yeah. Hey, no rest for the weary brother.

00:05:01.120 What, uh, how do you decide though, what you do? Cause like for me, I have a hard time

00:05:06.480 when I focus on so many different things. I'm like, man, I feel like I'm juggling all these

00:05:11.780 balls and I'm like, I got to put that one down. I got to set that one down and go all in on this.

00:05:15.300 But I see a guy like yourself who's doing everything. Like, I don't know how a guy like

00:05:20.660 you does that. So explain that to me. You know, for me, it all comes down to when I'm looking

00:05:25.540 at different projects, whether it's a documentary TV series, uh, film TV show, writing, directing

00:05:31.980 on camera, whatever the case may be. The first thing that comes to mind is, is this project

00:05:37.440 authentic one? And is there some type of inspirational, motivational, educational,

00:05:43.520 uh, message in it that's going to resonate with the viewers or the public, whoever's going to be

00:05:50.100 watching this? Like, that's my number one thing is, uh, you know, not what can I get out of it,

00:05:56.300 but what can the public get out of it? And then from there, then I go to, I look at the business side

00:06:01.160 of it. Right. So then I go from there. Okay. Does this make sense from a business structure? Um,

00:06:06.440 and not just financially, but also from a time perspective, right? Because there are certain

00:06:11.300 things that will take a lot of time from you, uh, and, but not create that same level of value as

00:06:18.500 value of value as other things, you know, case in point, we were talking offline about season two of

00:06:22.840 special forces Fox, which I'm not going to be doing. And, you know, I had to make a business decision

00:06:28.940 and the decision was, okay, I'm not going to do it because certain things are adding up.

00:06:33.760 And it was good that I made that decision because otherwise I would be in another country right now

00:06:38.920 shooting season two, but I've been able to do so much more other stuff, which has been more fruitful

00:06:44.360 for my, me as a director, it's been more fruitful for me as a writer and a producer. And it's, it's

00:06:49.720 moved the needle, um, and, and, in a greater way than being in another country, you know, screaming at

00:06:55.260 celebrities, if that makes sense. So that's kind of how I look at it, you know?

00:06:57.980 Yeah. Do you feel like you ever get that, that fear of mess missing out mentality? Like, like take,

00:07:04.660 um, special forces, for example, I'm, I'm sure at this point they've shot the entirety of, of,

00:07:10.440 of the season at this point. Do you, yeah. Season two, right. Uh, do you feel like, you know,

00:07:17.640 even though you made what you thought was a sound business decision, do you feel like, oh shit,

00:07:21.680 you know, like I feel bad. Like I wish I was there. And what, what did I miss? What opportunity

00:07:26.320 did I miss out on? And if you get any of that mentality, how do you overcome that part of it?

00:07:32.360 I would say sometimes in the beginning, there is that trepidation, like, all right,

00:07:38.260 I'm going to walk away. Like, what are these opportunities I'm going to lose and this and

00:07:41.900 that and this. But, um, then after that, once I make the decision, that's no looking back,

00:07:47.140 you know, for me, you know, I have a burn, burn the boats mentality. And that comes from,

00:07:51.200 you know, when we talked about last time, me going back to seal training, after I got kicked out of

00:07:55.480 seal training, you know, the first time. Um, and when I went back, like I had to sign a page 13

00:08:00.900 that essentially said, if I don't make it through seal training, I have to go back to first Marine

00:08:05.040 division and do three years to, to combat deployments and, and, you know, hate life.

00:08:13.760 Yeah. So like, so I signed them when I signed that page 13, I burned the boats. I essentially said,

00:08:20.680 hey, there's no other option for me. I have to make it through seal training the second go around.

00:08:25.040 Right. And so that's kind of how I look at it. You know, yes, there's a bit of trepidation in

00:08:30.300 the beginning, but then afterwards, there's no regrets once I burn the boats. Cause it's just

00:08:34.160 like, there's something better on the horizon for me. And 99% of the time it's, that's always the

00:08:41.000 case. I'll never forget. And I also learned this lesson when I, long story short, I was going to,

00:08:46.480 I was on a, I was supposed to be on a specific mission years ago when I was in the teams and

00:08:52.800 there were guys who were on that mission. Well, I'm not going to say there was a big chance I was

00:08:58.180 going to be on this specific mission. And, but I got pulled to go do another mission somewhere else.

00:09:04.820 And, you know, unfortunately some guys got killed on that mission, you know? And so I could have been

00:09:11.360 in that situation. And I remember being so upset that I wasn't able to be on this particular mission

00:09:17.500 set and do this particular mission. I was like, dang it. Like I did the training. But I actually

00:09:23.260 got pulled to like a, like a national level task, which was a cooler mission, but I wanted to do

00:09:28.760 that. I wanted to do that. And I was so upset. So man, and then, you know, after the situation

00:09:33.340 went down, I was like, dang, that, that could have been me. You know what I mean? And so like

00:09:37.380 every sentence, then I've always had this mentality of, you know, if I was supposed to be there,

00:09:42.340 then God would have made it work it out. So then I was there. Like I would, if I was supposed to do

00:09:47.760 season two, regardless of what happened, it would have worked out that way, but it wasn't. And so as

00:09:53.280 long as I had that mindset, then that helps me, that helps keep me away from fear or what ifs,

00:10:00.000 or am I missing out or should have, could have, would have. That makes sense.

00:10:05.140 Yeah, that, that does make sense. And, and from the outside looking in, I'm not going to put words in

00:10:09.700 your mouth, but I'd love you to explain this is I see somebody like yourself who has a lot of

00:10:15.440 opportunity. I don't even like saying has a lot of opportunities. Cause I think that discounts what

00:10:19.320 you've done to create those opportunities. So I'll say it more. What I think is more appropriate is

00:10:24.000 that you've created all these opportunities. And I imagine that, that, that fear of missing out

00:10:29.520 mentality is lessened because you're not sitting on your ass. When you say no to something, you're

00:10:35.380 actively out there pursuing something else, which doesn't give you a whole lot of time or

00:10:39.520 desire to think about that thing. You said no to 100%. And, and, and, you know, I've, I mean,

00:10:46.180 you hit the nail on the head, you know, I've been blessed to be able to create opportunity. And

00:10:50.940 that's so funny. I was taught, I was with Mike Glover last week in Utah on his podcast. And one

00:10:56.220 thing we're talking about was who's a guy who's able to go on every mission. It's the guy who has

00:11:02.600 more than one call. It's the, it's the breacher. Who's also a medic. Who's also a JTAC. Who's also a

00:11:08.420 sniper. I mean, medics for the most part are going to go on every mission for sure. But if

00:11:13.040 there's two medics on the platoon, like depending on the mission, one medic might be in a vehicle

00:11:17.040 and the other medic might be a assault force. Right. But if you're the medic that also has

00:11:22.900 like all these other quals, you're going to go on, you're going to go on an op all the time.

00:11:28.240 You're going to always have work. You're going to always have work. And that was one thing that I

00:11:33.100 took with me when I got out of the SEAL teams and took with me, especially as I started working

00:11:37.700 in Hollywood is that I don't want to be a one note guy. I don't want to be the reality TV guy.

00:11:43.620 That's all I do. That's all I'm known for. And then now I have to rely on that job and that job

00:11:48.800 only. I want to be a writer. So I taught myself, after I wrote my first book, I taught myself

00:11:52.940 screenwriting and then, and then I taught myself producing and not taught myself, but I also learned

00:11:57.620 from watching other big producers in the business that after, you know, I wrote my, my first screenplay,

00:12:02.760 and it got optioned by a major producer. Uh, I went through a year rewriting and after that year

00:12:09.080 rewrites, like the producer had a hard time attaching a director because not because of the

00:12:15.800 material, but because every director is booked up, booked up this, there's so many scripts in

00:12:21.160 Hollywood, just like, you know, hundreds of thousands of scripts in Hollywood, but there's

00:12:25.000 only like a hundred, a list of like a hundred directors that are qualified and that a studio will

00:12:30.940 trust with the type of budget that was needed for my screenplay. And so, you know, every time the

00:12:36.440 producer who was a really, really big producer, all he does is a hundred million dollar films.

00:12:40.300 Every time we went to different directors, they were like, Hey, we love the script, but I'm booked

00:12:43.580 up for the next two years or booked up for the next three years or booked up for the next four years.

00:12:47.680 I can't do it right now. You want to wait? And it's just like, dang it. So that's when the switch

00:12:51.400 went off my head. It was like, Remy, Hey, you were, you were, you were a corpsman who ended up getting a

00:12:56.280 quality human guy who ended up getting a call as a low level UAV pilot, learn that call as a

00:13:01.620 director. And so I learned that I taught myself directing and then I, you know, learned from

00:13:07.040 watching other directors like Michael Bay and, and Peter Berg and other guys that I was blessed to

00:13:11.500 work with. And then I directed my first short film. Right. And so going back to your main point,

00:13:16.880 you know, I took what I learned from the teams, applied it in, in what I do in the film and TV

00:13:21.460 industry. And I was just like, you know what, I'm going to just learn all these different jobs.

00:13:26.280 So that I always have a job so that I can choose what I want to do and not have to do something

00:13:33.280 because I need money. And I actually did a post about this actually, um, uh, last week where I

00:13:39.340 talked about, you know, the person who is desperate for money when they go into a negotiation and they

00:13:45.040 are desperate for money, they will always have the low ground. And where does that desperation come

00:13:50.540 out of sometimes speaking for, you know, the world that I operate in Hollywood, that desperation

00:13:55.520 comes out of the fact that, that you, you, the person who's desperate is one note. It's a person

00:14:02.460 that can only do one thing, right? Typically when you have multiple, uh, aspects of what you do,

00:14:09.720 you'll never be without work. Therefore you will never be desperate for money. Therefore you will

00:14:15.140 have more flexibility to choose what you want to do, what you don't want to do, and so on and so forth.

00:14:20.020 Sorry for that long tangent, but no, not, I mean, it's powerful. I, I, I hear all these guys who,

00:14:25.140 you know, they say things like they don't pay me enough for this shit. That's not my job description.

00:14:28.840 I'm like, yeah, it's true. And you can keep complaining about that, or you can stack up all

00:14:33.820 these credentials and qualifications and get these opportunities. And you also make yourself

00:14:38.480 indispensable. There's a great book. I pulled it up while you were talking called Lynchpin by Seth

00:14:42.400 Godin and the subtitle is, are you indispensable? And I think that's what you're talking about right

00:14:48.400 now. You know, you're talking about being the medic, but being the sniper, but being the breacher,

00:14:51.760 but being all these things, that's the guy I want to make sure stays alive. Like I need that guy to be

00:14:57.520 alive. And so these are the type of people, you know, that, that I think generally we want on our

00:15:03.680 team. I've thought about this as, as the, um, the Matthew McConaughey effect, you know, he, cause he

00:15:10.640 was doing a bunch of rom-com right. And that's what he was good at. And so his movies are cute

00:15:14.900 or whatever. And, but you know, the script and you know how it's all going to go. And you know,

00:15:18.880 your woman takes you on Valentine's day and you go through it cause you want to get laid and that's

00:15:22.880 like it, but it really wasn't until he did movies like Dallas buyers club and some of these others

00:15:28.240 where it's like, okay, this guy's interesting now. Cause he's showing me he's more than just being,

00:15:33.560 you know, a good looking guy that, that that's funny. Yeah, exactly. He could, he could act in more

00:15:39.800 than just the rom-com and be the lovey dovey, you know, uh, knight in shining armor. He could be the,

00:15:46.520 the, the, the, the, the person that I believe in Dallas, Dallas buyers club, he had AIDS. He could

00:15:51.760 be the age patient or he could be the astronaut and interstellar or, you know, he could be the

00:15:57.300 detective and true detective, but none of that was evident until he jumped outside of the box and

00:16:04.440 show that he can be a chameleon. Uh, no pun intended. That's the title of my book right there.

00:16:09.260 That's a good, that's a good, that's, that's impressive alone right there. That's a good

00:16:12.600 time. Let's, let's, since you bring it up, uh, let's, let's talk about it. I'm, I'm fascinated,

00:16:17.880 not, not only because of the book, uh, and I want you to explain a little bit, but I'm fascinated

00:16:22.740 with this migration of former seals from the self-help leadership development space to the

00:16:30.640 fictional space. And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Jack Carr kind of broke the

00:16:35.920 barrier, broke the mold a little bit. 100%. Yeah, he, he definitely did. He showed,

00:16:42.000 I mean, because you had the, you know, no easy day book, you had the lone survivor, even my book,

00:16:47.980 you know, the nonfiction books, but you never had somebody that lived the life, uh, of a person of

00:16:55.340 action writing fiction. I mean, I think Brad, Brad Taylor, uh, if my memory serves me right,

00:17:01.440 was a, he was a former, you know, uh, army SF guy, but outside of that, you know what I mean?

00:17:06.360 You didn't have a, you didn't have a lot. And then he did it and he proved the concept and he

00:17:10.580 proved that it can work and it could be entertaining and, and it can translate into film and TV. And

00:17:16.060 now Jack, you know, I was with Jack Carr last week in Utah on this podcast. And one thing that

00:17:20.360 we talked about, I told him, I was like, dude, it's so cool that you become the king of the hill

00:17:24.280 in this space. You know what I mean? Not, not as it, just as it relates to like seals, but as it

00:17:30.660 relates to thriller authors, like he is like the top of the time. As a matter of fact, he's so,

00:17:37.440 he's so far up there that, uh, my author was like, my publisher was like, I saw that.

00:17:44.200 Let's put Jack Carr on the cover of your book, you know, his quote, you know what I mean?

00:17:48.300 So, you know, it's, it's, it's so cool that, you know, he's, he showed the path and, uh, you know,

00:17:54.920 interestingly after the, the, the chameleon actually started out as a screenplay, you know,

00:18:00.580 as I mentioned earlier, it was the first screenplay that I wrote and it got optioned by a

00:18:04.900 really, really big producer. As I mentioned earlier, we went through a year rewrites and

00:18:09.140 then after, um, a year rewrites and we started looking for directors at the same time, there

00:18:14.500 was this former CIA guy who turned author named Taylor Moore, who's a really, really good dude.

00:18:19.160 And he read the screenplay and he was like, listen, I mean, this, this should be a book series. You

00:18:24.440 should really consider turning this into a book series. And in my mind, I was just like, ah, I

00:18:29.860 don't, I don't want to go back to writing another book right now. Like, you know, like, you know,

00:18:34.920 writing a screenplay takes a long time, but going into a book that's, that's like a two year process.

00:18:39.580 And I just wanted to take a break from writing, but, you know, he reminded me of Jack. He's like,

00:18:45.720 dude, look at Jack Hardy. Look at some of these other guys. You can create an IP, you can create

00:18:50.960 a legacy. This can go on for a number of years. And, you know, after his pep talk, that's when I

00:18:56.320 decided, all right, I'm a, I'm a take up, take his advice. And, you know, he introduced me to his

00:19:00.960 agent, my, his agent who became my agent, read the screenplay and was like, Taylor was spot on.

00:19:06.280 And this can be a really long lasting book series and that, like in the vein of James Bond or

00:19:11.820 Bourne Identity and, and these other books and Jack Carr. So that's kind of how it came about. It

00:19:18.320 came about from somebody who referenced Jack Carr and what he's been doing with terminal lists and

00:19:23.740 how he's the king of the hill. And he's a former seal and said, Hey, you're a storyteller. You've

00:19:28.700 already kind of set the foundation with this screenplay. You should consider this. And, uh,

00:19:34.240 I then just had to go back into my, my seal mindset and say, okay, I'm going to jump back

00:19:41.120 and I'm going to open up this qualification that I had. Cause I wrote my first book, but I'm going to

00:19:45.360 re re open that qualification and dust, dust, dust off and, uh, jump back into, uh, writing books,

00:19:52.480 which is a tough task in and of itself. Yes, it is. Yeah. I think about, um,

00:19:58.440 I can't think of the guy's name yet. You probably know it, but the guy that plays, uh,

00:20:03.240 Jim Halpert on the office, what's that guy's name? I can't think of his name. You know what I'm

00:20:06.500 talking about? He plays Jack. Oh, uh, Krasinski. Yeah. John Krasinski. Yeah. Yeah. And I think

00:20:13.500 about him. I think that was, uh, I think Jack Ryan, I think that's Tom Clancy, right? Yeah.

00:20:17.640 That's Tom Clancy. Yep. Yeah. So I think about guys like that. You're talking about these legacy or

00:20:22.280 these like generational characters. It's pretty amazing that we can get so bought in, but I think

00:20:28.720 what gives guys like you and, and Jack some power is it's not bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. Like we read the

00:20:37.180 books and we're like, Oh, that's, that's, I mean, we don't know. I don't know. I mean, I was in the

00:20:40.960 military, but not to the degree that you were in like, I don't know. Civilians don't know, but we read

00:20:45.560 it and there's something about the way that you present the story or, or, or it, uh, introduce the

00:20:51.320 characters that feels more credible and legitimate than some random dude, you know, writing a story

00:20:57.280 about some bad-ass that sounds cool, but doesn't really resonate with a lot of us. Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:01.760 He has to use Google. Exactly. Use Google. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. As a matter of fact, you know,

00:21:07.120 the character, the main character, Kali Kent is very loosely based off of me. You know, I was just like,

00:21:12.660 you know, why nuke it? Why, why complicate it more than it has to be? Because, you know, um, so he's

00:21:18.120 from Nigeria, just like I was from Nigeria. Uh, his backstory is a lot different than mine. His dad

00:21:23.720 was in the Nigerian mafia. So in the book, we have the main chapters, but we also have a couple,

00:21:29.100 a few flashback chapters, which takes us back to the beginning of our main character. And, uh, so,

00:21:34.600 you know, his dad was in the Nigerian mafia and I won't give away what happened, happens in that

00:21:38.960 situation, but he, and, you know, we, in book two is when we go into, you know, him, him arriving in the

00:21:44.600 U S a little bit more in a flashback chapters, but I say all that to say, you know, um, you know,

00:21:49.160 he's, he's me, he's a kid from Africa who came to America, who ended up, you know, rising up through

00:21:54.840 the ranks into, uh, uh, some type of special operations unit, not military special operations,

00:21:59.440 but this is the black box, uh, team. And, uh, and, you know, everything that he does is again,

00:22:05.720 loosely based off what I did. Cause I was a human guy, which stands for human intelligence. So

00:22:09.880 I went to the various three letter agency schools, like the NSA interagency and, and, you know,

00:22:15.380 TSO and, and, and human school and ASO and all these different things. And I just remember

00:22:20.500 being overseas, doing a job, running sources and having cash and, you know, spying and doing all

00:22:26.640 of this stuff. And I was like, man, it would be cool if there was one day, uh, a fictional character

00:22:31.000 like this. So, you know, after gaining all of this experience, not just as a soft operator,

00:22:36.180 but even when I got out and I got into the human trafficking world and I was volunteering

00:22:39.980 with different human trafficking nonprofits that employed former SEALs and agency guys,

00:22:44.760 you know, taking all of that experience and putting it into this book. And then also fictionalizing

00:22:50.900 it in the way that protects trade craft and secrets and class, you know, classify stuff and so on and so

00:22:57.160 forth. So, you know, it's easier for a guy like me and Jack Carr because, and it's even easier for me

00:23:02.820 in this situation because all I'm doing is taking real experiences, transposing them and then putting

00:23:08.760 them in the book to make it cool. As a matter of fact, there's a chapter in my first book,

00:23:12.180 Transform, my memoir, the title of the chapter is Chameleon. And I had to, I had to keep out

00:23:19.980 so much stuff that I did overseas because I just couldn't talk about it. But in, so, so in reality,

00:23:26.500 Chameleon is like, it's like a fictional part two to transform because it's, it's my experiences and,

00:23:33.220 and, uh, merge with the characters' experiences and world.

00:23:36.580 Did you, did you have to go through quite an extensive, uh, review or approval process?

00:23:41.980 Is it the department of defense or, or who reviews this stuff?

00:23:44.480 Yeah. The DOD reviews it. Yeah. And to make sure. And, you know, the good thing is to like,

00:23:49.680 I was able to take everything that I had learned from my first DOD because that was an eight month

00:23:56.140 process and pretty much add that in there to make sure that the process, you know, the second go

00:24:02.000 around wasn't, you know, wasn't as stringent along, so to speak. Yeah. Yeah. I imagine it gets,

00:24:09.260 it gets a little, a little wild because Jack was telling me a little bit about his process and,

00:24:13.820 and, you know, the back and the forth and, and all this, I, I always got frustrated in this,

00:24:19.540 maybe similar, but I was in the, uh, I was in the financial planning world for quite a while,

00:24:24.760 almost a decade. And there was things that I could say and things that I couldn't say because

00:24:29.340 I was credentialed because I had the training and the knowledge and the licensing and everything else.

00:24:34.120 Yeah. So I had to be careful about what I said because it could be misconstrued as

00:24:38.440 actual financial advice for people. Yeah. But then you have these randos on the internet that can

00:24:44.260 just run their mouths and talk about anything they want, you know, without any fear of

00:24:49.360 repercussion. But me, the one who's actually qualified to talk about these things can't talk

00:24:54.280 about it. And I wonder if you feel that, that same way a little bit. Yeah. It's a bit stupid.

00:24:58.580 It's, it's, it really is. It's like, uh, it's like really, and then you see certain movies like

00:25:05.380 zero dark 30, uh, and, and, and, you know, the person who wrote that, you know, doesn't have to

00:25:12.840 submit it to, you know, the DOD because they were never a part of the DOD. Even though there's so much

00:25:18.660 in there, that's like, gives away what we do and how we operate, which is crazy. So it's,

00:25:23.580 there is this double standard. That's like, in my opinion, a bit ridiculous. I get it to a certain

00:25:27.900 extent because from their perspective, you know, we're confirmed. Whereas like a person who doesn't

00:25:34.480 have the experience is confirming, it can't really confirm actual events and, and tactics and

00:25:41.380 procedures because they were never there from their perspective. They're essentially saying, well,

00:25:45.680 you're confirming, even though this is, uh, you know, you're not giving away secrets.

00:25:50.600 So per se, it's still confirming that we actually do this or operate this way, you know? So it's

00:25:57.400 frustrating, but you know, I mean, it makes sense. And you're going to, you're going to probably have

00:26:02.480 some, I don't want to say bad actors necessarily, but you're going to have some people who are probably

00:26:07.420 going to exploit that, you know? And, and, and I'm sure there are, I'm sure there's people even in,

00:26:11.680 in, in your community that you're like, you know, this guy, this guy's a real piece of work that

00:26:16.520 from a community, general community standpoint, you know, you just don't appreciate the way

00:26:21.960 they're going about doing certain things. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. But you know,

00:26:26.220 like, you know, one thing that I did to make sure and ensure it's like, I was like, you know what,

00:26:29.220 I'm just creating this world. So it's fantasy. You know what I mean? I'm writing from the perspective

00:26:34.580 of 2022, right? So I got out of 2016. So I'm writing from the perspective of 2022. I'm creating

00:26:43.640 programs, which is, you know, in, in the, in the black box, you know, that the overarching

00:26:48.960 command is called black box, which is a fictitious unit that I created. And within black box,

00:26:55.340 you have chameleons, which are essentially trained actors, which is fictitious. And then, you know,

00:26:59.720 you have ghost agents, which are cat burglars, which is that doesn't exist in their, in the CIA

00:27:04.540 world. Or if it does, they're not called, you know, ghost agents. And then you have wind agents

00:27:09.780 who could drive vehicles. And then you have, you know, aberration agents, which are people who go

00:27:14.000 on the deep cover for decades. Right. So everything is like super, super fictitious. You know what I

00:27:19.840 mean? And, and, and, and essentially from the perspective of 2022, not 2016, when I was operating in,

00:27:27.700 you know, certain countries. I like how you see it. If, if that exists, they don't call it that.

00:27:34.000 I like how you cover, cover yourself a little bit on that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100%.

00:27:38.600 100%. You, you mentioned, and I, I, I'm sorry that I don't remember this. I don't even know if

00:27:44.280 we addressed this. You said you're from Nigeria. Are you, are you first generation American,

00:27:48.440 second generation, or? I was born in Nigeria. So I was born in Nigeria. I do actually remember,

00:27:53.640 I think talking about this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My dad was super wealthy,

00:27:57.760 you know, and the Nigerian government due to corruption, you know, they essentially

00:28:01.760 stripped him of absolutely everything. And, you know, he died mysteriously three weeks later,

00:28:08.880 surprise, surprise. And really we're from rich. Yeah. We were from super rich to super poor. And my mom

00:28:15.500 being American moved us to the States and I came to the States in 1987 when I was five.

00:28:21.040 Um, and, uh, yeah, so I'm, I, I was, uh, I'm not, I wasn't born American, but I was,

00:28:27.060 I was born in American abroad because my mom, you know, is, was, is American.

00:28:31.760 Right. Right. Did you ever, have you ever done any digging into or looking into the death of your

00:28:39.060 father? Is that something you ever have explored or had any desire to look into, or you just said,

00:28:43.360 Hey, that's a closed chapter.

00:28:45.280 Yeah. It's for the most part, that's a closed chapter for me, but I do have a half brother who's

00:28:49.580 been fighting the Nigerian government since 1987. Um, he was a lawyer, uh, when my father,

00:28:55.720 dad still is a practicing lawyer to the, when my dad died, still is a practicing lawyer to this day.

00:29:01.380 And, uh, yeah, he, uh, he's been fighting them. They offered our family because my dad

00:29:07.980 engineer, one of the first man-made islands in the world that exists to this day is known as banana

00:29:12.280 Island. At the time he created, it was called the lagoon development project. Essentially. He took a

00:29:17.660 lagoon and, uh, he, uh, which was a swamp and he hired Dutch engineers to dredge the foreshore.

00:29:24.600 And he essentially created one of the first man-made islands in the world, banana Island.

00:29:29.020 And so, um, that was where all of his wealth and assets were wrapped up into. And there's a lot more

00:29:35.200 to the story, but in short, right after the land had formed, the Lego state government came in and

00:29:41.560 essentially said that the, that the Nigerian federal government wasn't supposed to sell him that

00:29:46.340 swamp. And again, there's a lot more to the story because prior to that in 1970, my dad brought a

00:29:52.740 mat bought a massive plot of land called America, which was land. And he bought that to develop like

00:29:58.900 a, you know, a financial sector, like a business sector. And that got taken from him from when there

00:30:04.400 was a military coup. So essentially when he requested to buy the swamp, he did that because

00:30:11.080 in his mind, he said, if I create something where there was never something, no one could ever come

00:30:16.180 through and say that it was theirs. Like they did with America, but due to corruption after the land

00:30:22.440 had formed, not while my dad was, you know, signing contracts and had all this big, Oh yeah. Let him do

00:30:28.800 the work first. Yeah. Right. And they waited for him to finish all the work. And once it was finished,

00:30:33.360 they came in and set up, Oh, that belongs to us. That belongs to the Lego States. And my dad,

00:30:38.920 fourth and my dad's bodyguard. Um, it was, as now, and to this day is the manager of the island,

00:30:48.760 but then you think there was some inside, inside work there. Definitely. Definitely. There was a lot

00:30:53.160 of inside work. And, uh, so I say, I'll have to say that the Nigerian Lego state government,

00:30:58.220 that Island is worth billions of dollars. Now they offered my half brother, $8 million about

00:31:03.440 three, four years ago. And he turned it down because, you know, what my dad invested in it,

00:31:08.420 you know, just for inflation was, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars. And then, you know, now it's,

00:31:13.360 uh, you work billions and you want to offer us $8 million. Come on. That's ridiculous.

00:31:18.860 That's hard, man. Like I'm thinking about, I'm trying to think about it from both perspectives.

00:31:22.500 And like, on one hand, like, are you ever going to see more than that? Probably not.

00:31:26.020 Uh, on the other hand, you know, it's like this principled approach, which, you know,

00:31:31.900 you, you got to commend, uh, and also $8 million in the bank account. Isn't anything to scoff at

00:31:38.220 though too. So it's like, man, that's hard to find, to find which route to go there.

00:31:43.160 I know. Well, you know, he's my, my brother's the one that's running it. If it was me,

00:31:47.740 would I have taken the 8 million? I don't know. I'm not a lawyer, so I don't understand how it all

00:31:53.140 works. And, you know, whether, you know, if he takes that, that closes the case so he can never

00:31:57.540 get anything later in the future. Um, but, uh, I just remember as a kid asking my mom, we were so

00:32:03.900 poor growing up in the Bronx. I remember asking my mom, are we going to get any money, mom? Are we

00:32:07.460 going to get any money from the, cause you know, we're poor. Can we, can we try and she would,

00:32:11.800 she would always say, don't hold your breath. And, uh, so, you know, long story short, I've been

00:32:17.060 blessed with the opportunity to create my own wealth and, you know, create generational wealth

00:32:22.200 for my kids and my grandkids, because, you know, instead of just playing the victim and laying back

00:32:28.920 and saying, Oh, they did this to me and, you know, living in the past, you know, I should, I should

00:32:33.940 have had this, I, you know, I'm gonna just create it myself, just, you know, uh, reestablish what my dad

00:32:39.320 was trying to build for us, but just a different way. Man, I'm just going to step away from the

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00:33:50.540 Remy. I think two years ago, I might've said something like, you know, if you want, if you

00:33:57.700 want to make it in this country, you know, just do it like screw everything else. Just do it. The

00:34:00.860 opportunities are there. And I believe that the opportunities are there. Absolutely. Yeah.

00:34:06.100 But I see it in a little different light knowing that there is generational mindset, generational

00:34:13.020 ways of operating ways of living that, that really do hinder some people and help others.

00:34:19.880 Yeah.

00:34:20.880 What, what did your mom living in the Bronx instill in you? Were there some mindsets that even though

00:34:26.840 you guys were in a tough financial and economic position allowed you to see that there were

00:34:32.460 still, still some opportunities that, that you could go out and capture for yourself?

00:34:36.500 Oh, there were a lot of things. I mean, one was, you can't be a victim. That was a, that was the

00:34:42.120 one niche. That was the one thing she would beat into us all the time. But you know, you are not a

00:34:46.760 victim. You're not a victim. Even like when we, when I got into my teen years and I was out there

00:34:52.380 getting stupid and doing stupid things and getting in trouble with the cops and, you know,

00:34:56.700 always blame on the cops as a cop. She was like, no, you're not the victim. It's your fault.

00:35:01.140 Take responsibility. Um, you know, so that was one big thing. The other thing that she would

00:35:05.800 always say was, you know, whatever you do, do it right. And if you do it right the first time,

00:35:11.560 I mean, you know, he's always saying do it right the first time. If you do it right the first time,

00:35:17.080 you'll be successful. But yet like you have to strive to do it right the first time. It's not just

00:35:22.140 going through the motions of trying to, of doing something. It's like striving towards perfection.

00:35:27.240 And the example that she would use with my brother and I, you know, she would make us,

00:35:31.260 you know, one night it would be my turn to wash the dishes and my brother's turn to dry the dishes.

00:35:35.960 And then we would flip flop next night. It would be my turn. My brother's turn to washing my turn to

00:35:40.220 dry. If the dishes weren't perfectly washed and perfectly dried, like perfectly, she would pull

00:35:47.100 them all out and make us redo them. Like, and because she was instilling this idea that you have

00:35:53.680 to do it right. You have to strive to do it right. The first time you can't cut corners because if

00:35:58.620 you cut corners, you ain't going to make no money. But if you, if you do the right thing and you give

00:36:03.740 110%, things will add up. One plus one will equal two, you know? And so, you know, that was another

00:36:11.220 thing that she would really, and she would always instill. Another thing is, you know, that she instilled

00:36:15.500 in us at a young age, which I was so grateful for to this day is, you know, the ability to be able

00:36:20.660 to articulate your thoughts in a literary format. You know, writing was really, really important to

00:36:26.260 her. She was a creative writer herself. I mean, she was a teacher. And then after she taught in

00:36:31.540 elementary school, she started like a creative writing business where she would write, you know,

00:36:36.720 resumes and term papers and they were, people would pay her. And she had a job because she was able to

00:36:42.480 communicate in a literary format. And so she told us, well, tell my brother and I, you will never be

00:36:48.280 without a job if you can write. A lot of people care, but if you can learn how to write, you will

00:36:54.920 never be without a job. And so she would make my brother and I read New York times articles and

00:36:59.880 books, and then she would make us write reports. And if those reports weren't near perfect, just like

00:37:05.200 with the dishes, she would make us pick a brand new article. And I remember me, I was always trying to

00:37:10.040 pick the, like the sports article, the basketball article. She was like, no, no, you got to pick

00:37:14.820 this art. She would make me pick like the crazy articles about like, you know, fusion reactors and

00:37:20.080 new fusion reactor. And you know, that the New York times interviewed a scientist about, and it was

00:37:27.300 tough, but she would make me do it. And so that's another thing that has helped me become successful.

00:37:33.100 And, you know, I was able to take that into the SEAL teams because when I, when I was, when I got in

00:37:39.540 and I found out about human, this opportunity to be a human operator, not just a SEAL, you know, a lot

00:37:45.200 of guys didn't want to do that job because it required a lot of writing. It's not, it's not as

00:37:50.800 glamorous as people think when you get to go out and run sources and, you know, do trade craft and all

00:37:55.620 everything that you do has to be documented. It has to be written in a way where somebody could pick up

00:38:00.960 that report 10, 20 years from the day you wrote it and read it as though those events happen today.

00:38:05.780 So you have to be a visual storyteller. And so, you know, when every SEAL was running away from

00:38:12.120 going to human school, I was just like, I'll do it. Yeah. And the guy's like, you want to do,

00:38:17.860 you want to be writing reports after you come back from an op or after you do to me, I was like,

00:38:21.460 dude, I love writing. Right. And so that gave me a job opportunity in my community outside of just

00:38:29.540 being a medic that expanded. And that's what played a role in me doing that deployment,

00:38:33.500 which I talked to earlier that, you know, I was able to get on a cool mission because I had that

00:38:38.740 specific qualification along with being a medic. Right. And now that writing that my mom would

00:38:43.700 beat into my brother and I, you know, it's what I do. I write screenplays. I, you know, I write,

00:38:49.280 I write books, you know, I, you know, I write all kinds of different things. I just got paid

00:38:54.540 $20,000 to help develop a, a, uh, a pitch deck for unscripted TV. I had a TV show. I had to write

00:39:02.140 that one week of work, $20,000. Right. And so, you know, that all comes back to what my mom would

00:39:09.180 make me do. So that was the other thing. That was the third thing that I would say that my mom is

00:39:13.060 still with me that made me realize that regardless of what the odds say or what the situation is, like

00:39:18.800 you could be successful if you have these tools and you apply them.

00:39:22.160 Yeah. Yeah. The, uh, the, whatever you do, do it right. Uh, mentality, man, that one resonates

00:39:28.560 with me. I, I remember, you know, my mom would make us clean the bathroom or whatever. And, and I,

00:39:34.880 I'd get done, I'd fly through it and get done. And I'd say, Hey mom, I'm done. She's like, did you do

00:39:38.940 it to your standard or the standard? That's what she would always say. I'm like, let me go back up.

00:39:46.720 She's like, yeah, why don't you go back up and tell me when you're really done, you know? And so

00:39:50.760 that's the stuff that sticks with you though. Right. Like, of course, sure. Like even to this

00:39:55.780 day, like that's how you operate in everything you do is, you know, that's why, you know,

00:40:02.480 how many guys have started podcasts since you applied, since you started podcasts and those

00:40:07.220 podcasts have gone and done it over with a whole lot, especially during COVID, a whole lot of guys,

00:40:12.860 right. And, and women as well. Right. But you know, the reason why you're still standing is because

00:40:18.220 that mindset that your mom instilled in you, which I'm sure you apply in other things you do as a

00:40:23.380 father, as a husband and so on and so forth. So, um, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it works.

00:40:29.940 Yeah. It works. I mean, look, I, I'm not here to say that I, I do that all the time, you know,

00:40:35.260 and, but, but hopefully even if I deviate and I have a lot in my life when I deviate,

00:40:41.140 hopefully I, that's foundational enough that I come back to like the prodigal son, right? Like

00:40:46.740 you come back to it and you remember your roots, remember what you're supposed to be doing and get

00:40:51.100 yourself back in line. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. 100% calibrated. I have questions about, you know,

00:40:58.940 where she instilled this idea of being able to articulate your thoughts, not just in verbal

00:41:02.860 form, but in written form. What are your thoughts on AI technology? Cause it would be easy for me to go

00:41:08.240 into chat GPT or whatever and punch in a, you know, some prompts and say, write me a script about,

00:41:14.500 you know, an XCI agent who, you know, goes nuts. Cause he feels like the government screwed him over

00:41:19.880 and come up with something actually pretty compelling, you know, maybe, maybe a little bit

00:41:26.040 cold and stiff, but pretty compelling. Yeah. I think that it's a, I think that it's going to make

00:41:32.260 people stupid. Um, uh, you, I, my, I was at the airport the other day flying back from,

00:41:39.560 I can't remember. Oh, from Nash, not the other day, a couple of weeks ago, flying back to Nashville

00:41:43.320 and my business partner, Brad, who you met and been communicating with, there was a girl doing a

00:41:48.200 paper for school. And Brad, like, he just glanced over, not prying on business. He was just walking

00:41:53.560 by. He's like, she's using a chat to GTP to write her paper. Right. And I was just like,

00:41:59.120 oh my God. I was like, this is just because you're losing the ability to, to, you're losing

00:42:04.980 the ability to be able to, and I'm saying to a lot, to refine that critical thinking muscle

00:42:12.580 that's necessary to survive and be successful in life. Right. You know, uh, I think there's

00:42:21.380 kids using it in high school. I'm sure. Now, what does that, they're not learning how to think

00:42:26.240 critically. Right. And, and I think in the next 10, 15, 20 years, the effects of that

00:42:33.340 are going to be more prominent because they're going to be people getting jobs and they're

00:42:37.540 not going to know how to do their job. They're not going to know how to market. They're not

00:42:41.300 going to know how to, you know, uh, maybe be a doctor. They're not going to know how to

00:42:45.440 be an engineer or do things that require critical thinking that require you learning and not having

00:42:51.380 a technology do the work for you. So I think that it's dangerous. I think that it's doing

00:42:57.620 a disservice to humanity. And, you know, I'm in the WGA, which is the Writers Guild of America.

00:43:03.260 And one of the biggest, one of the reasons why we're on strike, one of the many reasons we're

00:43:07.980 on strike is because the studios didn't want to budge on, on the use of AI and writing screenplays.

00:43:13.700 Um, because for them, they want to be able to, you know, get, um, like you said, be able to put

00:43:19.900 some, some, uh, some bullet points into an AI system, CIA formula, right? Yeah. Put, put it in

00:43:26.680 and then have AI generate that screenplay, that 120 page screenplay. And then they, they hand that

00:43:33.140 screenplay over to an executive who works at the studio. Who's already a, you know, who's already an

00:43:38.100 employee of the studio or an assistant, have them polish it, you know, or fill it in the gaps,

00:43:43.560 right? Because even with AI, you know, AI doesn't have the ability to also think from an emotional

00:43:48.800 standpoint, doesn't, it can't smell, it can't sense, it can't, it can't really figure out when

00:43:54.760 does a person take a beat? Uh, uh, you know, like for example, I was writing, I was, uh, polishing a

00:44:01.180 spec script that I'm working on. And there's, there's a scene that I would get in there where,

00:44:05.560 you know, one person says something to another person and instead of that other person,

00:44:10.520 instead of person B responding right away, the dialogue that was, what was said to person B

00:44:15.940 from person A was so stunning that person B couldn't respond right away because they were

00:44:24.040 just stopped in their tracks. How did that happen? Because something emotionally happened

00:44:28.660 earlier in the film that triggered that person from instead of speaking and responding quickly,

00:44:35.180 taking a step back. AI can't quantify that. AI can't put that into a screenplay because AI doesn't

00:44:41.980 have emotion. And so it's always going to take a writer to come in, not, or an assistant or executive

00:44:48.540 to come in and fix it. And, and the studios don't want a WGA writer to come in because they want to

00:44:55.420 be able to get a freebie. They want to be able to, you know, have an AI created, have an already paid

00:45:00.740 employee, do a polish on it and then be able to go make the movie without having them pay a WGA

00:45:05.380 writer scale for a script, which scale is like for a feature film is about $120,000.

00:45:11.220 Is that right? Wow. Yeah. It's $120,000. And then on top of, but that's scale, that's like

00:45:16.100 entry level, right? Some screenwriters that get, you know, like for my book transform got picked up to

00:45:22.220 be a movie. And so, you know, I can't go into the numbers, but you know, it's, it's, I'm getting way

00:45:27.860 above scale to write that screenplay as, you know, as a movie, right? So a studio would now not have to

00:45:35.860 pay, you know, $120,000 plus and then they don't have to pay residuals because, and points because

00:45:43.420 residuals and points and all of these things come along with it. So now we're not just talking about

00:45:47.740 $120,000. We're talking about 500, 600 sometimes for some writers like Aaron Sorkin, we're talking

00:45:52.840 about millions of dollars. So again, you know, back to your original question, I think that it's

00:45:58.300 dangerous because one, it's going to, it's going to inhibit people from thinking critically and

00:46:04.240 learning how to think critically, which is going to inhibit growth, intellectual growth. And two,

00:46:09.480 it's going to take jobs away from people. So I, you know, I think what you're saying is valid.

00:46:16.120 I do. I mean, I see, I see that side of the equation, but I also see the other side and,

00:46:21.080 and you know, you, you, you almost can't blame them if they can just crank out a full feature

00:46:25.700 production and, and lower the cost, like from a, from a capitalistic economic standpoint, that makes

00:46:31.020 sense. And regardless of what the, what is it? The WJ Writers Guild Association, is that right?

00:46:36.500 Writers Guild of America. Yep.

00:46:37.900 Of America. Okay. So regardless of the strike, like it's going to happen, like AI is going to happen.

00:46:44.800 So what do you see as being a way forward, a path forward? Because I, you know, again,

00:46:50.100 I go back to my financial planning. I saw this, like I would see older guys in the financial

00:46:55.320 planning arena and they're like, Oh, you know, this new technology, like nothing beats what we

00:47:00.060 can help clients with. I'm like, you're being really ignorant and arrogant right now because

00:47:05.120 there are some things that financial software can do. And in that case, it's different because

00:47:10.600 financial software should actually take out the emotion. Yeah. So it's a little different,

00:47:16.020 but I, I always was under the mindset of like, all right, well, this is going to happen.

00:47:20.300 These robo advisors. So what can I do personally to integrate it into my practice? Like, do you see

00:47:27.640 any viable solutions?

00:47:29.300 Yeah. 100%. I think, you know, for the case of the WGA, the solution that they put forth,

00:47:34.960 forth, I think is the best solution. And it's simple. If you want to use the AI technology,

00:47:40.580 let you can use it, but let it just be a tool similar to final draft. So final draft is a software

00:47:46.400 that, you know, all majority, 90% of screenwriters write in. I write in final draft. It helps format

00:47:52.820 the screenplay for you. It's not AI technology, but when you want to have scene heading, you just

00:47:57.520 click scene heading and it formats it for you. When you want to write dialogue, you just hit

00:48:01.640 character dialogue and formats it all for you. Right? So it's, it's not AI, but it's a tool.

00:48:07.440 So I think that the path forward is to look at AI as a tool, just like final draft and essentially

00:48:12.780 say, okay, studio, you want to use AI. That's fine. Let's have a WGA writer come on board because

00:48:20.180 somebody has to be credited for it. So WGA writer, come on board, do the polish on that screenplay.

00:48:26.480 Okay. And then, you know, uh, everybody's happy. You were able to use AI to come up with the idea,

00:48:32.720 right? Because at the end of the day, there's two parts to making a film, to telling a story.

00:48:37.200 Anyway, one is the idea. And that's hard to find. It's hard to find a really, really good idea.

00:48:43.880 Right? And then after that idea comes around, comes, comes, comes about, then you now have to

00:48:49.660 merge that idea with a, with a professional writer that can now take that idea and formulate what it is.

00:48:55.600 Similar to matrix. The matrix was a great idea, but you still needed, you know, the Wakazis to come in

00:49:02.720 and, and take that idea that they came up with and turn it into a three act structure screenplay

00:49:08.760 and put emotion into those characters and breathe life into those characters and have,

00:49:13.840 you know, an exciting incident and all of these things that's necessary to tell a viable story.

00:49:18.360 And so I think that that's the medium. The medium is, Hey studio, you want to use AI technology,

00:49:24.340 use it to come up with ideas, use it to come up with that CIA agent who goes rogue because he hates

00:49:30.220 the government, use that to build the foundation. And then now bring a professional writer that can

00:49:35.700 enhance that idea and make it something that could be a blockbuster film or a great film that has

00:49:42.780 emotion. Because at the end of the day, you know, what are films for? Films are created to

00:49:49.140 give people a way to escape. And, and in some cases, give people a way to identify what characters

00:49:57.160 so that they could see themselves a character. And that's why I love filmmaking. That's why I love

00:50:01.100 writing books because it gives me the ability to tell a story that will impact the person in a way

00:50:06.900 that can change the trajectory of their life. That's what film did for me. You know, the rock is

00:50:11.620 bad boys was the first film I watched where I was just like, yo, these two black dudes look like me

00:50:16.720 that seem to have the same demeanor mindset that I have. And they're playing heroes. What was the

00:50:23.240 message that I got from that? I don't have to be a drug dealer anymore. I don't have to, I don't have

00:50:27.960 to only be a drug dealer or an athlete or a rapper. There's something else that I could do. I could be a

00:50:33.640 hero. That was the seed that that film planted in my mind. And the second film, the rock was the

00:50:40.500 first time I was exposed to Navy SEALs. I'd never heard of Navy SEALs before. Once I saw that film

00:50:45.760 and I saw Navy SEALs, I was like, oh my God, like if I ever turn my life around, that's what I do.

00:50:50.620 I'd be a Navy SEAL. And what happened? I became a SEAL. So film story changed the trajectory of my life.

00:50:57.820 And that's for me is the, as a filmmaker myself, that's my goal. My goal with every story I tell

00:51:05.460 is not to just entertain, it's to impact. You know, even with this organ harvesting film,

00:51:10.740 the short film, which is on YouTube now that got picked up to be a feature film. Why did I make

00:51:14.900 that short film? I made that short film because I wanted people to be more conscious of the realities

00:51:20.140 of organ harvesting. And why am I making the follow-up feature film? Because it gives me a bigger

00:51:25.140 platform to take that short film that's on YouTube and project it out to a wider audience.

00:51:30.500 So now more people will be like, okay, now that I know this exists, maybe I'll get involved.

00:51:34.600 Maybe I'll learn what the signs and symptoms of a traffic victim are. Maybe I'll donate to a human

00:51:39.820 trafficking nonprofit. That's the goal of every film. And AI technology does not, in my opinion,

00:51:47.380 have the ability to create that emotional connection, to create that sense where an audience

00:51:54.560 can connect with those characters, connect with that story and be impacted and be inspired or

00:52:00.800 motivated in some way. So going back to the original point, I think the happy medium is

00:52:05.640 use both. Use the technology to come up with the idea and use the writer to connect that idea with

00:52:13.980 an audience, to tell an impactful, powerful story, or make somebody laugh. Because sometimes you need

00:52:20.680 to sit down and watch the comedy because you're getting crushed by life and you just need to turn

00:52:25.160 something on that's going to make you laugh. AI can't do that. But an actual writer who's gone

00:52:30.560 through trials and tribulations, who's been near death or who's really good at writing comedy and

00:52:37.660 making people laugh can come alongside that AI technology and now boom, you have magic.

00:52:43.200 Yeah. I mean, there's so much nuance to the stories that we tell. There's culture,

00:52:46.360 there's experience, there's history, there's emotion. And I think though, this is one of the

00:52:51.600 reasons I get a little frustrated when people assume or act as if somebody they look up to has

00:52:58.000 to be perfect. Because in my mind, I'm not inspired by a perfect person. I'm inspired by an imperfect

00:53:05.560 person who's gone through storms, who's done some dumb shit in their lives and overcome that because I

00:53:11.960 can see myself in that. I'm like, oh, that guy did some dumb things. I've done some dumb things.

00:53:15.940 Here he is, or here she is. And so, okay, that gives me hope. So when you said, we look to escape,

00:53:21.460 I think you're right, but not too much. Yeah. Because if it's too far removed, it's like,

00:53:26.860 I don't resonate with that. I don't get that. That doesn't make sense.

00:53:28.880 A hundred percent. I agree a hundred percent. Yeah. It's a degree of escapism.

00:53:34.320 Yeah. I also like that you're delving into fictional work because look three, four,

00:53:41.740 five years ago, I mean, all I was reading was self-help. It's like all I would consume.

00:53:46.380 And I got burned out because I'm supposed to get up at 4 30 AM and then I'm supposed to work out for

00:53:51.820 two hours and I'm supposed to get water and put like these certain minerals in it and take these

00:53:56.440 supplements and do this, you know, weird yoga meditation exercise. And like, I had this regimen

00:54:01.940 of all these self-help people telling me everything I needed to do. And I was exhausted

00:54:06.180 trying to improve myself. But then when you read a good story and you get lost in a good story that

00:54:13.860 has a good message, you don't feel burned out. You feel edified, uplifted, inspired, motivated.

00:54:21.440 Yes. Yes. 100%. 100%. It gives you ideas. It's a way to decompress as well too,

00:54:27.980 you know, decompress from what's going on all around you. You know what I mean? And that's why

00:54:32.740 that, again, that's another reason why I got into the fiction side of things, even though I was a bit

00:54:37.320 opposed to it for the book side of things, but the screenplay side of things is because you get to

00:54:41.860 create a world that people can immerse themselves inside of. And then, you know, get a break,

00:54:50.060 get a break from all of the craziness that's going on. Especially, you know, when you're a dad,

00:54:54.580 I'm a dad, dude, like being a family man, dude, it's not easy. It's not easy. You know what I mean?

00:55:00.780 Being married is not easy. It's a job. You know what I mean? Like having kids, it's a hard,

00:55:06.000 it's a good job. It's an honorable job, but it's a job, you know? And those stories that you hear,

00:55:12.580 like, you know, even in Chameleon, you know, those stories, you know, they just take you away. They

00:55:18.060 give you a reprieve. They allow you to see things from a different perspective. You know,

00:55:21.200 the one thing that I, the book was read by a couple of people. I was able to send a couple

00:55:26.020 of people the book. And one of the people I sent the book to was my mother-in-law. And she loved

00:55:31.220 the action side of things in the book. But one thing that she said she loved the most was the

00:55:35.140 flashback chapters. One of the flashback chapters. Because of the flashback chapters, you know,

00:55:40.300 he has Kali as a young kid in Nigeria, but his mom and his dad and their relationship and how the mom

00:55:46.020 is trying to, you know, push the dad to, to, to go back to his old ways, which were better and this

00:55:51.460 family dynamic. And she, she was like, I, I, you know, it was so many chapters, but I, in the book

00:55:58.000 in general, but I love when I came, came back to that flashback chapter, because I was able to see

00:56:03.140 this family and view them and get a sense of Nigeria and kind of get out of my world and learn about a

00:56:09.400 different culture that in a way that I never had a chance to learn from. And that really, that was

00:56:15.400 the best part for me. And, and, and that was one of the reasons why I wrote those chapters, because

00:56:19.860 I didn't find this out until I got into publishing with the majority of people who buy a book. It's

00:56:24.060 like 90% of people who buy books are women. I didn't know. Yeah. Yeah. I found that out when I

00:56:29.380 wrote my second book. Cause they're like, Hey, this needs to be more geared towards women. I'm like,

00:56:32.640 it's about men. What are you talking about? And they had, they had told me that. Yeah. Yeah.

00:56:36.140 Because women will either buy the books for themselves and read them or buy the books for

00:56:41.300 their spouse, you know, for their husbands, you know, or sons or brothers or uncles or whatever

00:56:46.160 the case may be. So, you know, that was one of the reasons why I really, you know, went deep on

00:56:50.740 that side of the book. But again, going back to your point, she was just really moved and because

00:56:56.420 it allowed her escape from her own situations as it relates to family and see herself in this

00:57:02.520 mother character as well. So, yeah, man. What is it like to see your work come to life? Like real

00:57:09.700 life. And I'm not talking about just words on the page. I'm talking about now you're seeing your

00:57:13.720 consulting and your, your coaching come like actually on the screen, impacting people in a

00:57:19.720 bit of a different way. Is that, is that fun to watch or is it frustrating? Cause it's not

00:57:24.500 always painted. I'm sure the way that you saw it in your mind or the way that you created something.

00:57:28.740 Yeah, no, it's fun, man. For me, it's not that special. Like for the first, you know,

00:57:33.080 film that I directed, which was the short film, the unexpected, which 32, a million, 32 minute film,

00:57:39.020 you know, it was, it was like to see this idea that originated in my head now become reality.

00:57:48.460 It's crazy. It's a, it's like a high feeling. And I'll never forget. I was on this,

00:57:54.540 we were shooting the unexpected in Kansas city, Missouri. And we had this scene on this farm

00:58:01.020 where the main character, she gets her heart extracted. And the actress was phenomenal. I

00:58:09.020 mean, she was, she's a beast of an actress. I mean, she's from Hollywood and she's, she's

00:58:13.460 going to be a massive star one day, but she just went there to the point where, you know,

00:58:18.400 the neighbors came over cause they saw the film crew and film trucks and all that. And they

00:58:22.920 came over to see what was going on. And I, I allowed them to watch the monitor and the mom

00:58:29.780 and daughter started crying at her, at this girl's performance and how, cause the actress was crying

00:58:35.660 and she's screaming and as her heart's, she, her chest is being cut open with no anesthesia,

00:58:41.360 no anything. And her heart is about to be taken out, you know, to be trafficked and just to see

00:58:47.620 her performance. And then the reaction of her performance from these two people and how,

00:58:54.260 when I created it in my head, that was the reaction that I wanted people to get. I wanted

00:59:00.440 them to be touched and moved in a way where they're like, this is hard to watch. And one of the best

00:59:06.040 comments that I get, and this might be sound crazy, but one of my favorite comments I get on a YouTube

00:59:10.640 channel, cause there's hundreds of comments on the film on YouTube now is I had to stop.

00:59:17.000 I had to turn it off. It was too much. And, and, and when I hear that, like, where some people are

00:59:23.520 like, Oh man, that sucks, man. You didn't even watch the end. You see, uh, for me, it's like, yes,

00:59:28.760 because that means that it was real to you. That means that I created something that you didn't

00:59:35.560 watch and say, Oh, that's fake. Oh, that's not that's stupid. It was something that you were

00:59:41.460 like, Oh my God, that was real. That, that, like that situation is real. And the reality is the

00:59:48.180 reason why I made that film is because it is real. There are people right now having their organs

00:59:53.500 trafficked. There are little kids right now being trafficked for sex. There are people being blood

00:59:59.260 trafficked. It's happening. I mean, trafficking is a multi multi-billion dollar industry globally.

01:00:05.000 To, you know, it's, it's about to surpass the drug trade. And so that's why it was important for me

01:00:12.340 to be able to create something that was real and raw. So when I see it and it comes to fruition,

01:00:18.100 and then I get the reactions from people that I get, you know, a lot of people watch it to the end,

01:00:23.120 but when I get those reactions, it's, it's like a high, it's just like, yes, what I sought out to

01:00:27.960 achieve has been achieved. Yeah. That's interesting. I, I can't believe I just had Tim Ballard,

01:00:32.880 who I'm sure you're, you, you, you either are familiar with or, you know, personally, I'm sure

01:00:36.100 the statistics on trafficking. I mean, he deals with mostly sex trafficking, minors and sex

01:00:42.420 trafficking circles and things like this. Not, not, I don't think organ trafficking or blood

01:00:47.000 trafficking, but the statistics that he had shared with me are just, I don't even know the word for

01:00:52.440 it's just mind blowing. How, how in 2023 is, are we trafficking minor children for, for sexual

01:01:01.820 pleasure? I just, it's like so unfathomable to me. It really is. Yeah, it really is. Is that,

01:01:09.280 so that film you're talking about, that's the one that's called the unexpected that that one's on

01:01:13.440 YouTube. Yeah. The unexpected is on YouTube. People can go watch it right now. It's 32 minutes. It's

01:01:18.120 been up there for a few months. Yeah. And then it got picked up to, for, for, I think you called it,

01:01:24.960 what'd you call it? Unexpected redemption, right? Yes. Yeah. So it got picked up to be a feature-length

01:01:30.120 film. We got our financing. It's a big multimillion dollar action thriller. That's gotta be wild.

01:01:37.660 Yeah, man. And we, we just cast a major star. We've been in talks with another big star for a month and

01:01:45.200 we finally got the go ahead from his team to submit an offer last week. Um, uh, which is good

01:01:52.020 because we've been in talks with other stars and then after a month, they're like, ah, no, we're good.

01:01:56.140 We don't, we're not interested, but this guy's finally like, he's really interested. And, uh, and

01:02:01.620 yeah, man, we, we're just waiting for the writer's strike to lift so that we can, you know, move forward

01:02:06.100 into, into production. But, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm super excited to be able to expand on the story. So the,

01:02:12.240 the, the short film is a prequel and the feature film is obviously a sequel to the prequel. So

01:02:18.120 it picks up five years after the event of the short film events.

01:02:22.120 So what's your role in that? Are you, so have you written the screenplay? I mean,

01:02:25.140 obviously you have the strike going on right now, but have you already written the screenplay

01:02:28.420 for it as soon as the strike lifts?

01:02:31.180 Yeah. I wrote the screenplay, man. I, I, I wrote the screenplay. I started writing in last

01:02:37.000 January, January, 2020, where, 2023, 2022. And, uh, I finished it in September, I want

01:02:45.220 to say. And that's when, um, uh, the, the, the, the, the, I can't remember exactly when

01:02:51.680 I finished it, but the short film went out on YouTube and a lot of people watched it in

01:02:56.240 the industry and they were like, this should be a feature. And so G base, which is Gerard

01:03:02.280 Butler's Leonidas is production company and Alan Siegel signed on to produce it, uh, in

01:03:08.700 September. And then, um, um, we got some other people and I did a few rewrites before the

01:03:13.460 writer's strike, but yeah, the script's done. It's ready to go. And, uh, yeah, man, super

01:03:17.960 excited. And I'm directing the film. So I'm directing the film.

01:03:20.300 That's what I was going to ask. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So in that, in that situation, you

01:03:24.760 know, as a screenwriter, you, you, you receive your, your compensation up front for the,

01:03:29.400 the license to, to, to film it. Is that how it works? Or like, I'm actually curious about

01:03:35.100 the process of that. Yeah. So the process is, you know, I wrote the screenplay on spec.

01:03:40.440 So when you write a screen on spec, it's speculation, it's not a guarantee that it's going to sell.

01:03:44.840 It's just speculating. You're hoping that one day it will sell. So, um, yeah, yeah. So actually I've

01:03:51.240 actually dropped the short film, my memories off in October, 2021. Um, and so, and, um,

01:03:59.400 um, uh, January, 2022, uh, my, my publicist, you know, had watched the short film and shared

01:04:09.600 it with a 24 and a bunch of other studios. And that's when they were like, yo, this could

01:04:13.360 be a feature. And then my publicist was like, you should write the screen. I was like, I'm

01:04:17.600 not trying to write a screenplay on spec. You know what I mean? Like I want to get paid.

01:04:22.720 Yeah. It's a lot of work. You know, it's like, you're investing time up front for something

01:04:26.260 that may never, that may never get paid for. So he convinced me that I wrote the screenplay

01:04:31.180 on spec. And then when Gerard Butler and his team came on, they optioned it. So essentially

01:04:37.700 like an option, essentially they rented the screenplay. So there was a fee that was paid

01:04:42.400 out and they paid that fee. This is the same thing that happened with terminal list. So

01:04:46.380 essentially Jack Carr after he wrote the book, um, Chris Pratt option, the book rights for a

01:04:53.260 number of years until they were able to bring it together into an actual film until an actual

01:05:00.260 TV series. So essentially that's what happened with me. You know, we optioned it on speculation

01:05:05.980 on speculation that, you know, if we get the financing and the actors on board, then Remy

01:05:11.060 will then get paid. So I'll get paid for the script once we go into production.

01:05:16.700 So right now you're, so you put a lot of investment up front, up front. Yeah. Like

01:05:22.640 having some faith in what you're doing, but also, you know, hoping maybe fingers crossed

01:05:26.700 a bit, all the fingers crossed, maybe a little bit that something actually comes from this.

01:05:32.100 Yeah. Yeah. And that, you know, and that was another thing I learned in Hollywood. I think

01:05:35.300 this applies to life. Like no one's going to believe in your stuff like you will. And how

01:05:38.880 can you convince somebody to invest $35 million in the film that you want to make? If you're

01:05:43.380 not invested any money or time into it, that short film alone that I made cost me about

01:05:47.940 $150,000 to make. So just off of that, out of pocket, that was out of pocket. I put $150,000

01:05:55.020 of my own money into that project. And so when people watch the film and then I told them I

01:06:00.200 had the script, they were like, all right, you already showed it. You believe in this enough

01:06:03.440 to put up your own money. Okay. That moves the needle for us. And that's, I think that's

01:06:08.040 how it is in every sector of life and business. It's like, what are you willing to put

01:06:13.220 into this thing that you're so passionate about? This thing that you say is going to

01:06:17.220 win and succeed? Because if you're not putting any time, effort, money, resources behind it,

01:06:24.320 why should I, as an investor, get behind it? Right.

01:06:27.320 So that was one of the biggest things I learned in the business is like, you got to, especially

01:06:32.640 in the beginning, in the beginning, when you're a filmmaker starting out, it's like, you got

01:06:36.980 to be the one that puts in all the sweat equity because no studio is going to trust you with

01:06:40.600 $35, $40, $50 million to make a film, you know? And then after, once you get to Christopher

01:06:46.020 Nolan's status, then you've already proven yourself. You don't have to worry about that

01:06:51.440 anymore, you know?

01:06:52.760 I'm glad you're talking about that though, because I mean, even, even from my perspective,

01:06:56.960 I have a lot of guys who will tune in and, you know, maybe they like what we do to varying

01:07:00.700 degrees, but they'll say things like, you're lucky. You're so lucky. Oh, you had this great

01:07:03.960 opportunity to talk with guys like Remy and other people. I'm like, you know how many hours,

01:07:08.720 like I'm on, I'm behind this microphone every single day. I'm on social media trying to share

01:07:15.980 a message every single day. My life's under scrutiny. The things I do well, the things I

01:07:21.560 fall behind on and fail at is under scrutiny. Like, don't you dare. And I would say this to

01:07:27.260 any guy, don't you ever dare discount somebody's success because what you're saying subconsciously

01:07:34.220 even is that, well, maybe someday your ship will come in and it won't. It just won't.

01:07:39.940 Yep. 100%. 100%. You know, that's the, I think that that's the, uh, that's the Michael Jordan

01:07:46.940 effect, right? Like so many people saw Michael Jordan, like in his, like, you know, after he

01:07:53.500 got this, the sneaker deal and then after he had won the championships and it was just like,

01:07:58.120 dude, like it wasn't until people saw the last dance that they realized, no, dude, he was at

01:08:02.320 Chicago Bulls for years before he won a championship. Like he was like, you know,

01:08:08.000 he broke his leg. Like it was a lot of things that had that happened and he had to continue

01:08:12.920 to persevere and put in the work day after day, show it to the gym early before he became Michael

01:08:18.420 Jordan, the Michael Jordan and everybody knows. And, you know, I think social media has really

01:08:24.300 lied to people. It's really created, especially Instagram. That's why it's called Insta,

01:08:29.460 Instant Graham, right? Because people go on there and they see all of this stuff instantly.

01:08:34.260 They see the Grant Cardone and they see the Order of Man podcast and they see these celebrities

01:08:39.600 and they're like, oh, I could, that could be me. Yeah, it could be you, but you're talking

01:08:45.520 about years of work. Yeah.

01:08:47.460 You're talking about sometimes decades of work before you can get to that point. And so many

01:08:51.520 kids nowadays and, and, you know, young adults, they get to the, they, they, things don't come

01:08:57.120 to them as fast or as instant as they expect because of what they, you know, have seen on

01:09:03.620 social media and they shut down and they quit and they don't know how to handle correction.

01:09:08.480 I don't know how to handle, Hey, you got to start all over. You got to start from scratch.

01:09:12.660 You got to do another year. You got to do X, Y, and Z. You know, I was talking to a kid

01:09:16.320 the other day and he got kicked out of SEAL training and I said to him, I was like, dude,

01:09:22.540 why didn't you call me? Because he got, he got performance role, you know, for the same

01:09:26.960 thing I got performance role. And then instead of calling me up and, and, and having me work

01:09:32.720 with him to get him prepared, like he, he waited until after he got kicked out of SEAL training

01:09:36.980 and now there's almost no guarantee that he'll get a chance to go back to SEAL training because

01:09:40.460 of the rules. But in his mind, it was like, oh, I don't, I don't, I don't need that.

01:09:44.300 I'll just jump back in and, you know, I'll figure it out myself. I could figure it out

01:09:48.240 myself. And like, I can get this instantaneously. I can get it quick as I, I don't have to put

01:09:52.420 in the work. I'll just chill and roll back land. And then maybe after roll back land, I'll

01:09:55.560 get another chance to do it. I'll pass. And then it's like, no, dude, like it doesn't

01:09:59.160 happen like that. You got to take this time that you have and prepare and seek out people

01:10:03.160 who have gone through what you went through and help them, allow them to prepare you and put

01:10:07.300 in the work. And it's not going to be pleasant. It's not going to be fun. It's going to suck

01:10:10.920 every day you show up to train and prepare. But guess what? When you roll back

01:10:14.160 it to your class, you're going to pass that test. And now you're going to go on to be

01:10:17.420 a frogman. Now, instead, you're in a situation where you got kicked out and you may never

01:10:21.940 get a chance to go back. And now you have to do something else. Social media has corrupted

01:10:26.040 so many people, so many young minds, especially TikTok and all of this other crazy stuff.

01:10:31.220 It's, it's really brainwashed people into believing that things should come instantly.

01:10:37.000 I am entitled to it. It should happen. Now it's like, no, you're not entitled to nothing.

01:10:41.360 And, you know, life will remind you of that very, very fast. Once you get off social media

01:10:46.780 and you get on your own, or you get into a job where they're going to be able to figure

01:10:51.980 out that you've been using AI to write your papers and you're going to lose your job,

01:10:55.500 then you're going to be broken on the street. It's crazy, man. It's crazy.

01:11:00.660 Yeah, for sure. Well, let me tell the guys where to pick up. I mean, you got the new book coming

01:11:05.200 out, Chameleon. So tell them where to pick up a copy of that. Obviously you've got your,

01:11:08.520 your film, which is to be determined, but exciting news there. And you've got some other

01:11:12.660 things going on as well. So let the guys know where to connect.

01:11:15.360 Yeah. You connect with me on Remy Adelike, all social media platforms, Instagram, Twitter,

01:11:20.420 LinkedIn, Facebook, whatever you, whatever you got on there. And then Chameleon is, I'm not sure when

01:11:25.100 you're releasing this, but Chameleon is available. You can pre-order it now. You can actually pre-order

01:11:30.700 a signed copy at the link in my link in my bio. Or if this podcast is out as of the release date,

01:11:36.940 you could purchase it now, wherever books are sold, Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, you name it,

01:11:41.780 they're selling it. So get yourself a copy, get inspired, motivated, educated through the story.

01:11:48.820 And you know, one thing, last thing I'll touch on about the book is it's not just an espionage

01:11:54.580 thriller. It's somewhat of a political thriller as well. You know, there's this underlying theme

01:11:59.700 throughout the book of political disunity. And that comes to the forefront towards the end of

01:12:08.440 the book. And I was intentional about this because, you know, obviously this book is releasing in

01:12:12.760 America and there's so much political division, not just political division, just division in general.

01:12:18.400 And, you know, I wanted to kind of use what I had to use this book, just like I use transform to

01:12:25.740 inspire people in different ways, use this book to kind of plant in people's minds, the importance of

01:12:32.480 unity. And yes, we can disagree, but we need to figure out a way to come together or otherwise we're

01:12:37.580 not going to have a nation. So it's not in your face. It's not, Hey, you got to be this. You got to be

01:12:42.420 that. It's just, Hey, here's a situation we're in and our enemies are crushing us in part because

01:12:50.380 we're divided. And so we need to decide as to whether we want to come together or we want to keep being

01:12:55.720 divided and then ultimately be destroyed. So, um, so yeah, I hope people check out the book and they

01:13:01.540 also, um, they also get that message as well.

01:13:05.240 Yeah, they will. They will. Well, brother, I appreciate you. I'm, I'm, uh, I'm, I'm always inspired by you. I

01:13:10.420 know we don't talk a lot. We connect on, on social media every now and again, or a quick text or

01:13:14.860 whatever, but I've been watching you. I see what you do and man, it inspires me to play a little

01:13:20.000 bigger. So I appreciate the friendship and you joining us today.

01:13:23.400 Thank you, brother. I appreciate you and your friendship and thanks for having me on brother.

01:13:28.180 All right, gentlemen, there you go. My conversation with the one and only Remy Adelaide. I hope you

01:13:33.520 enjoyed the conversation. He's an inspiring person. I've been inspired personally by Remy for years and

01:13:38.600 years now, and we've been able to build a friendship over the past couple of years since

01:13:41.460 he first came on the podcast. I've read his book transformed. Um, I'm digging into his book

01:13:45.940 chameleon. I've watched him, uh, on, on his, uh, the first season of, uh, special forces

01:13:53.340 world's toughest test. And of course I've seen his work and transformers and everything else. So guys,

01:13:58.740 make sure you connect with Remy on Instagram. Let them know that you hear it, heard him here on the

01:14:02.980 podcast, take a screenshot of the show, share it wherever you're listening. So people know what

01:14:06.780 you're listening to. This is a grassroots movement and we are trying to build this thing out into

01:14:12.400 something truly, truly incredible. That's going to serve men and their families, their businesses,

01:14:16.640 their community, and, and everywhere in between. So please do your part and share, check out, uh,

01:14:22.120 origin USA, use the code order. And the last thing is our battle ready program at order man.com

01:14:28.180 slash battle ready. Those are your marching orders guys. Again, I appreciate you tuning in.

01:14:32.500 We will be back tomorrow for our ask me thing until then go out there, take action,

01:14:37.540 become a man. You are meant to be. Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast.

01:14:42.540 You're ready to take charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be.

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Order of Man - July 04, 2023

REMI ADELEKE ｜ Whatever You Do, Do it Right

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