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00:00:00.000 You want a life you're excited to live. That's a given. But why does it continue to be so elusive?

00:00:05.860 That's a question my guest and good friend Rick Trimmer has spent the last 20 years of his life

00:00:10.500 trying to answer. From building 12 highly successful businesses to traveling the world

00:00:15.760 with his family for the past decade, he knows a thing or two about what makes a person a success

00:00:20.920 and how to make it so for the average man like you and I. Today, Rick and I talk about getting

00:00:26.420 over what other people think of you, creating integration between professional and personal

00:00:31.840 pursuits, how to identify what types of businesses to start, the ability to let the non-issues slide

00:00:37.980 in your life, the power of consistency and persistency, and ultimately how to build the life you desire.

00:00:45.540 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:51.400 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time. You are not easily deterred

00:00:57.360 or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will

00:01:04.520 become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:11.840 Gentlemen, welcome to the Order of Man podcast. Thank you for being here today. Every time one of you

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00:02:07.940 Now I've got a great guest today. His name is Rick Trimmer. He is not only a good friend of mine,

00:02:12.300 and it has been for, gosh, 20 plus years of my life. He's also a business partner of mine with

00:02:17.400 M42 Adventures. He's a family man. He's a world traveler. He's also a highly successful entrepreneur

00:02:23.820 with over a dozen companies built and five of them sold successfully. It's these skills that have

00:02:30.320 allowed him to build a life that he loves. As he travels the world with his family, he builds

00:02:35.420 businesses and movements he loves and cares about, and he spends his time doing only the things

00:02:40.840 that bring him purpose, meaning, and fulfillment. Guys, listen to this one. Enjoy this one. Get out

00:02:46.960 your notepad, and let's start putting this stuff into practice for ourselves and our families.

00:02:52.940 You know those days when you wake up and you're so excited to get everything done? You're like fired up.

00:02:57.680 Obviously, you and I had a good weekend, and then everything is just conspiring against you. Like,

00:03:02.940 I went to go drop off the U-Haul trailer. The thing was closed. It's supposed to be open at 8.

00:03:07.680 It was closed at 8.30. The little robo vac that cleans my house came in and tried to vacuum up all

00:03:14.300 of my cables and cords and just unplugged everything, so I had to plug all that back in.

00:03:20.360 You and I tried to jump on technology issues. It's like, damn, you just want to get stuff done.

00:03:26.660 I'm actually glad. Yeah. I'm glad it's a little bit you, you know, because this is my first ever,

00:03:32.360 you know, remote podcast, and so I'm like, oh, dude, this isn't going to go well, so I'm glad

00:03:36.860 you're having some technical difficulties because we are as well, so. Well, it's funny because I

00:03:41.140 sent you that link. That's a good thing. It is. It's good. You just got to plow through it,

00:03:44.860 but I sent you that link last week, and you're like, what do I do? How do I sign up? I'm like,

00:03:47.780 just follow the link, and then Ricky this morning messages me, and he's like, hey, I'm going to

00:03:52.480 Riverside, and I'm like, just follow the link, but I know what it's like. Yeah, overthink it. Oh,

00:03:57.900 it is, and I know what it's like to get started, and I mean, to your guys' credit, you want to make

00:04:02.360 sure it's done right, and it's professional. I think too many people, they don't really think

00:04:08.680 about that. They just go, and they don't really show up in a powerful way. They don't create this

00:04:15.060 level of exceptionalism that I know you guys do, so as much as I was busting your guys' balls about

00:04:20.340 just follow the link, I also appreciate your desire to do it right, because a lot of people

00:04:25.840 just aren't like that. Yeah, I think there's two personalities, well, two faults. One is people

00:04:32.020 try to just jump into it and half-ass it, and then there's the other ones who overthink it and never

00:04:37.020 start. You know, up at your event this weekend, I had a lot of conversations with gentlemen that want

00:04:41.720 to, you know, do things. They're like, I want to, you know, expand my potential, and I'm like,

00:04:48.100 start, and they're like, but I'm not ready yet. This isn't in place. This isn't in place, and it's

00:04:52.080 like, it's never going to be perfect, man, so you kind of got to walk that line of trying to do your

00:04:58.580 best, but at the same time, you got to jump at some point. Yeah. Why do you think people do that?

00:05:04.940 Because that's not my personality, and I don't think it's your personality either. That's probably

00:05:09.000 part of the reason that you and I get along so well, but you're right. There are a lot of people who

00:05:12.800 will say, I'm not ready. I don't know if I've ever said that. I may have thought it,

00:05:17.520 but it's never kept me back from actually doing the thing that I have a desire to do.

00:05:23.540 Yeah. I think you're a testament to that because a lot of your podcasts talk about how,

00:05:28.580 you know, I don't have this figured out. You know, I'm not, I'm still on the path,

00:05:31.720 and that's what I think people don't realize is when you start a business, when I started my first

00:05:36.420 company, you know, it was a wood mill in Mexico, and now it's a, you know, four different companies

00:05:42.880 in Utah, you know, it's expanded into something I never, ever could have imagined, and, you know,

00:05:50.500 to try to think that I'm going to be this at the start was impossible, so you kind of got to just go

00:05:56.360 and follow your gut and try to make good decisions and be educated and always educate, you know,

00:06:03.520 you know, just like with jujitsu. We did jujitsu this weekend at your event for the first time I've

00:06:09.020 ever done it, and it's, it just changed the way, and it's weird because it just changed the way I

00:06:15.580 look at, like, even just everyday problems, you know, it's just, you know, I was nervous. It's like,

00:06:21.860 this is scary. I've never done anything like this, and then it's, it's, but you guys make it,

00:06:27.500 you and Kip made us feel comfortable that it's like you're not supposed to know it. Just, just get on

00:06:32.060 the ground and start rolling and just, you know, you just got to start. Yeah. I think there's a lot

00:06:39.580 of perfectionism. You know, people want to be perceived as perfect. There's definitely a level

00:06:47.000 of procrastination involved with that. People just drag it on and drag it on, but at the end of the

00:06:51.980 day, like you said, you've just got to start somewhere and realize, hey, I, I can grow and I

00:06:57.180 can build and I can develop, but it's also very intimidating when you see somebody like Kip,

00:07:01.680 we'll take that jujitsu example. And I actually looked at you a couple of times when he was

00:07:05.320 teaching techniques, there was a sweep that he was teaching. Uh, the star sweep, I believe is what he

00:07:10.320 was teaching. And it was interesting. Cause I looked at you and you were shaking your head,

00:07:16.220 like what in the world is this? But then Kip 30 seconds later said, this is one of the more basic

00:07:22.100 sweeps. Did you hear him say that? This is one of the more basic sweeps. And it was like,

00:07:26.960 yeah, it's just interesting. It looked like magic where people, you know, the way it's, it's like,

00:07:33.480 how did, how did he go from the bottom to the top of that guy in two moves? And he even breaks it down,

00:07:40.140 you know, he breaks it down and I'm, it just, it, it, jujitsu is so scary. That's what I learned

00:07:46.440 is it is terrifying. The, you know, I was even watching you when you were, uh, you know,

00:07:52.100 giving us the lesson with Kip and I, and it's like, you know, don't drop your arm like this

00:07:57.500 to do the headlock because now you can get into an arm bar. Right. And I'm like, how do you ever

00:08:03.760 know that? You know, but again, somebody that's starting a business, it's like, well, how do you

00:08:09.100 know to watch out for that pitfall? And it's like, I've been put in an arm bar because of that move.

00:08:13.160 You know, it's like, I, I didn't make the sale or I lost the, you know, lost the employee because

00:08:19.160 of that move. So don't do it again. You know? And it's just, it's just, I love life. I love those

00:08:23.100 kinds of things. You've always told me get into jujitsu. It's, it's not just fighting. It's not

00:08:29.380 just rolling around, you know, with guys. It's like chess and I love business and those kinds of

00:08:36.580 challenges. And so it was really eyeopening. Yeah. Do you think that when you, cause you own,

00:08:42.360 how many companies do you own? Do you, do you know at this point? That's the real question.

00:08:47.240 Yeah. I actually try to count. It's about a dozen, but I sold, uh, four or five. So I own

00:08:52.960 six right now, but I've, I've started 12, I believe.

00:08:58.460 So when, when you have those failures and I'm sure you have, it's not like you started 12

00:09:05.040 companies and they all just excelled and everything was great and wonderful and just, you know,

00:09:09.340 blissful. When you start those, how do you perceive failure? Because you're somebody who

00:09:14.880 gets a lot done. You're somebody who's been ultra successful personally and professionally,

00:09:19.020 but I also know because we've been friends for a long time that not everything has gone smoothly.

00:09:24.600 So how, what is your perception of failure and how do you manage missed expectations?

00:09:32.120 You know, I think one of the biggest lessons I learned, like, you know, I lost everything in

00:09:38.660 the recession. Uh, so I've had the ultimate failure, you know, I mean, I lost my home,

00:09:42.800 my cars, everything from my, my, uh, it was my second business at the time. And, um, you know,

00:09:51.020 I had a lot of people around me saying, I'm never going to go into business again. I'm never

00:09:55.240 going to try that again. And I thought I, my brain just never thought to stop. It just, you know,

00:10:02.560 I was like, I, I don't play a lot of sports, but I compare a lot of things to sports. And it's like

00:10:08.680 the guy who's the baseball player who, you know, swings the first pitch and misses the ball. He

00:10:13.080 doesn't just say, well, I'm out. He swings again and he swings again, probably strikes out, goes home,

00:10:20.540 goes to the batting cages. You know, you see these baseball players averages and some, again,

00:10:25.440 I don't know baseball that well, but from what I understand, some of the best place baseball

00:10:28.520 players in the world have like a 300 batting average, right? Right. So that's, that's three,

00:10:34.900 three out of 10. Is that, is that right? Correct. They get on base three out of 10 times.

00:10:38.920 Well, not just on base, batting averages. They, they only hit the ball for a, for a base hit or

00:10:44.740 greater three out of 10 times. And it's like, those are the greatest. Those

00:10:50.520 are like Babe Ruth from what I understand and people like that, you know? And it's

00:10:53.480 like, you know, I, I just don't, I think people take that they, when they fail, I think they

00:10:59.680 take it that, you know, it's over and I've never looked at it like that. I look at it

00:11:04.120 like I've failed. I'm going to learn, change my grip, change my stance and swing again.

00:11:11.320 And I think that comes a lot with, like you said, not caring what people think. Um, that's

00:11:16.180 been, you know, not, not just natural, but as I get older, it's a lot, lot easier. But

00:11:22.600 I think a lot of people, you know, you get up on base, I'm sure you played baseball. And

00:11:27.500 when you first got up on base your first time, I'm sure you were thinking not, you know, I

00:11:32.580 hope I hit this ball for me. I hope I hit this for my, you know, my parents or my mom or

00:11:38.500 my team friends, you know, everybody watching the team. And as you get older, it's like, you

00:11:44.920 know, you still want to hit it for the team. But for me now, it's more about, you

00:11:48.320 know, for me and my family and my growth. And I think is when you can start shaking

00:11:53.420 off, you know, failure in the eyes of others, I think it just starts, you know,

00:11:59.860 we're all going to fail. I mean, that's, that's life, you know? And, and, uh, so

00:12:04.520 like going into jujitsu, when I go in, I think I'm going to fail at this probably

00:12:10.460 for a couple of months, just, I'm just going to get my ass kicked. Why would I

00:12:17.340 think, you know, I have a, I have a son, uh, my oldest boy who will go into sports

00:12:21.820 and think I'm going to be the best. I just, I'm, I'm gifted. And he'll go play

00:12:26.540 tennis and suck and be like, I'm going to quit dad. And I'm like, what made you think

00:12:30.800 that you were just going to be good? That's not reality. Like you need to go into it

00:12:36.180 thinking I'm probably going to be bad, but I will, I will get better. And so I

00:12:42.120 think that's helped me, you know, starting businesses, you know, with this new

00:12:45.340 business that I'm doing now with you and 42, I'm positive that I'm going to have

00:12:50.240 so many setbacks, but they're just setbacks. It's not a failure unless you quit

00:12:55.180 when you quit. That's when, you know, it won. I think you also, just based on what

00:13:02.520 you're saying, I think you also have a healthy sense of expectations. You know,

00:13:07.880 you're talking about your oldest son going into sports, if it's tennis and he is

00:13:13.040 naturally athletic too. So we don't want to discount that, but at the same time,

00:13:18.080 you can take a naturally athletic kid and put them in a completely foreign sport

00:13:22.020 and take somebody who's not maybe as naturally inclined for athletics, who's

00:13:25.780 been doing it for 10 years. And of course the skillset trumps the

00:13:29.680 athleticism always. But I think what you're talking about is having a healthy

00:13:34.800 sense of expectations, a realistic sense of expectations. But I am curious

00:13:39.620 with your mindset, are you going into these business ventures, or I know you

00:13:45.680 travel a lot with your family and we can talk about that too, because that's

00:13:48.280 important. Do you go in with the highest possible hope that you can, or do you

00:13:54.880 temper that a little bit and try to set more realistic expectations? I've always

00:14:00.380 been curious because you hear people say, Oh, set these big, hairy, audacious

00:14:03.780 goals. And then other people say, well, no, just set realistic goals that are maybe

00:14:09.080 slightly outside of your comfort zone. And I'm curious what position you would take

00:14:13.040 on that.

00:14:15.080 That's interesting. I've never really, I've never really thought about that.

00:14:18.360 Honestly, when I'm setting up a business plan, you know, I was talking to some of your

00:14:23.160 guys at this event, kind of tell them some of the stuff we've done, you know, and

00:14:26.200 tell them where we're at, you know, our business is 100 days old. And I told them

00:14:31.500 it's sold about half of the Africa hunts. And they're like, that's insane. You know,

00:14:34.580 that's crazy. And I'm like, is it?

00:14:36.200 Is it? That's what I think too.

00:14:39.280 You know, I'm like, well, you know, that's, but I also, that's probably personality

00:14:44.200 to where, you know, if I started a lawn care business today, and after a year, I had 10

00:14:49.560 accounts, I would consider it a failure, whereas somebody might think that's a, you know, so

00:14:53.840 it might be depending on your expectations of yourself, and what you think you're capable

00:14:58.660 of. But yeah, I set pretty high standards. But I'm also very realistic that I think if

00:15:06.000 you don't aim high, you know, then you'll hit low. But at the same time, I'm very, you

00:15:12.980 know, understanding and realistic that shit happens. And it's going to be a long, you know,

00:15:18.300 I kind of try to outwork my skill set a lot. You know, people think that it comes easy,

00:15:25.340 and I get lucky. And, you know, they don't see us here, you know, all the time, just putting

00:15:29.780 in the hours. So I don't know, I, that's, that's a good question. That's something for

00:15:35.220 me to kind of think about for myself, because, you know, I do set some pretty lofty goals and

00:15:41.640 some high expectations, but I don't know what causes me to do that. I just think it's doable.

00:15:45.880 Hmm. And I'd rather hit a little bit below it, then, you know, set low goals. I just I'm not in

00:15:54.000 this to coast. You seem to be somebody also, though, who is willing to let things slide,

00:16:02.260 you know, and, and, and I, and I actually really admire you about that. Because whether it's a

00:16:08.420 personal conversation that you and I have had, where maybe another person might feel slighted,

00:16:15.420 or take it the wrong way, or take it out of context, or be offended, your personality seems

00:16:20.080 to be one where, you know, it's, it's okay. Like, whatever it is, it's okay, you're, you're quick

00:16:26.180 to forgive, you're quick to forget. And that's, to me, very admirable, because so many people get

00:16:33.080 offended quickly, they hold grudges. But from the outside looking in, I think it's partly your

00:16:39.540 perspective of, of that, where you can just let things slide, and you're pretty carefree. But you

00:16:45.400 also are not in some aspects that that make you able to drive on when things don't go exactly your

00:16:53.640 way. Yeah, you said a quote, this weekend up at your uprising event that I really loved. And I think

00:17:03.020 I've heard you say it before, but it hit me this time, but it was the one about, um, you'll have

00:17:08.880 to, you'll have to fill in the blank, but it's with a guy who steps into a river, and it's not the same

00:17:13.400 river, and he's not the same man. Right? Is that right? Is that pretty much the gist of it? Yeah,

00:17:19.760 yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what I think, you know, whoever said, I can't think of who said it,

00:17:25.240 but obviously, they can sell it, say it more eloquently than you and I can. No, no man steps into the

00:17:30.520 same river twice for it is not the same river, and he is not the same man. Yeah, and I love that,

00:17:36.860 you know, because, you know, I think the reason I am quick to forgive people, and I'm getting a lot

00:17:41.520 better at it, as I get older, which we I think we all do, is, you never know what somebody's going

00:17:47.480 through. You know, it's like, you know, I used to somebody come in and blow up on me and, you know,

00:17:53.160 or slight me and, and I'd react to that, that moment and chew them out or, or, you know,

00:18:00.520 ruin the friendship, whatever it was. And later on, I'd find out that he's fighting with his wife

00:18:06.060 or his kids, you know, sick, or, and it's like, that wasn't me. You know, that he wasn't mad at

00:18:12.620 me at that moment. He was just going through some shit, which we all are. And, you know, I tell people

00:18:18.120 a lot of times, you know, if you want to judge me on who I was at 20, at 40, then you're wrong.

00:18:26.120 I'm not the same person at all, you know? And so, um, I just try to give people more grace,

00:18:32.660 you know? Uh, I just have no idea what they're going through, employees, friends, family. And I

00:18:39.680 think, you know, if they do something that's, you know, just downright wrong, I will, I'm very,

00:18:44.940 I'm very, uh, you know, black and white, if it's just unethical or it's, or it's bad. And then I'll

00:18:51.060 just remove that because I'm old enough to where I don't need drama. I don't need, you know,

00:18:54.220 that kind of stuff in my life. But if it's a, if it's somebody who just slights me and

00:18:58.440 has a bad day and says, you know, you're an asshole, it's like, Hey, maybe I was, and

00:19:03.940 that's fine. Or maybe you're just, you know, projecting on me from something that's going

00:19:07.980 on in your life. And, uh, me and Ricky actually, uh, got into it last week, pretty good. And

00:19:13.600 he blew up on me and, and left the office, you know, and, and I text him and said, Hey man,

00:19:19.400 you know, I don't know what you're going through, but I love you. We're brothers. You

00:19:24.640 know, this is a business. We're going to have brothers fight, but I'm here when you want to

00:19:29.420 come back. I will not leave you. And he came back in the next day crying and says, I'm going

00:19:33.820 through some stuff. And, and, uh, we hugged it out, you know, and I love him. And, and it

00:19:38.920 wasn't necessarily, I had done some things. I'd pushed him a little too hard, which again,

00:19:42.120 you said I can do. I'm very, uh, driven so I can put some high pressure on people without

00:19:47.860 realizing it. But when he cracks, that's not his fault, you know, necessarily. And

00:19:52.700 to not let him come back in and we hugged it out. And it was a beautiful moment, you

00:19:57.600 know, and, and now our relationship is stronger, even though some things were said that if you

00:20:02.940 walked into the room in that moment, you'd be like, these guys are never going to be

00:20:06.400 friends again. You know, some things got yelled in the, in the heat of the moment. And, but

00:20:12.380 it's like, that's not me and Ricky, you know? And so I was quick to say, Hey, that was

00:20:16.760 just the moment and let's move on. And now we're stronger because of it. And I think a

00:20:21.280 lot of men don't do that. I think men tend to hold grudges or prideful or all those, you

00:20:28.020 know? And it's like, man, if you can just let down the wall a little bit and say, Hey,

00:20:32.820 I was wrong or, you know, vice versa. Uh, you can really get into, you were talking about

00:20:38.140 it with Kip, you know, at the event again, where you guys had a conversation last week that

00:20:42.360 was uncomfortable for you. And when you open yourself up, he's not going to be

00:20:47.720 like, you know, blow you off. You know, he's going to let you in. And then now your

00:20:53.560 relationship is stronger for that. So I don't understand why it comes naturally for

00:20:58.040 me, which I'm grateful for. Um, but I wish, I think more people would have deeper, more

00:21:04.360 meaningful lives if they could give people some grace. You know, I know you've gone

00:21:08.440 through some, you know, you're, you're a public persona and people call you out publicly and

00:21:14.000 do some things, you know? And I'm like, name me one person that can judge another person.

00:21:20.120 You know, really? It's like, okay. You know, you think that you can judge that person. You,

00:21:26.380 you have no idea. There's, there's hundreds of, you know, hundreds of things that have happened

00:21:32.720 to this person that you have no access to. And to think that you can make a judge off

00:21:37.100 seeing 10% or 20% of it to me is, is just arrogant and, and, you know, just, just not

00:21:46.840 a good way to be. Yeah. Well, I mean, I know we're going to be talking about a lot more during

00:21:51.600 this podcast, but like, as you say that, I think if there's one takeaway up to this

00:21:56.500 point for the guys to hear, it's that just let things slide a little bit more and maybe

00:22:02.320 not slide, but just let it roll off your back. You know, people are having a hard time. I've

00:22:07.440 had this professionally. Um, in fact, over the past couple of years, I've had guys leave and say

00:22:13.320 things just completely ridiculous things like hurt, like attempting to hurt, you know, type things.

00:22:20.300 And, but I've also had a lot of those guys who said those things come back because I'm not going

00:22:25.880 to take that personally. I'm not going to lash out. I'm not going to make it worse, but we also

00:22:31.920 see it in men's personal lives where their girlfriend or their wife might say something

00:22:38.620 or do something they don't like. And rather than give them the benefit of the doubt or work through

00:22:43.180 it, because that person is worth going through that with it's like they end it. You know, if it's

00:22:49.100 somebody you're dating, it's over. If it's a marriage, then you stonewall them for a week. It's,

00:22:53.420 it's ridiculous. And I've, I've had things just even recently where personally, where it's

00:23:00.060 like there's two people are trying to come together, right? And when two people or more

00:23:06.600 try to come together, we all come with our own unique perspectives and experiences and beliefs

00:23:12.660 and baggage and stories about past trauma. And when two people like that get together,

00:23:18.500 of course, there's going to be friction. It's going to be challenge.

00:23:23.420 I just see way too many men throw in the towel too soon for something that could be so great

00:23:27.540 if they're willing to work towards it or through those challenging, those challenging times.

00:23:35.500 Well, and you know, yesterday, so when I left the event, I drove up cause we're an hour from my

00:23:39.280 house and I gave one of your guys a ride home that I had met. He was, it's Trevor, right?

00:23:44.140 So Trevor, yeah. I gave him a ride. He was our MVP for the weekend.

00:23:49.060 Yeah, man. And he, he got emotional on the ride down. That meant a lot to him. Uh, he was really

00:23:53.820 excited about that. It was a young kid. He's trying to, he's 28, trying to figure out where

00:23:57.760 he belongs and what he's doing. And that was, you know, and he says, he says, I should have given a

00:24:02.040 speech. And I says, your performance this weekend was the speech. And he's like, wow, thanks for saying

00:24:08.860 that, man. He's like, that means a lot. He says, I, the whole time I've been thinking I should have

00:24:13.600 stood up and said something. And I says, you said it all weekend by showing up and performing. And

00:24:18.660 he's like, wow, thank you. But anyway, back to my point, we were driving down and, you know,

00:24:23.460 we talked a little bit about you, you know, he says, I, he, I guess he's a team leader in the

00:24:27.280 council. And he says, you know, I know Ryan was going through some stuff and he says, you know,

00:24:32.560 I questioned things, you know, you questioned things. It's like, it's natural, you know,

00:24:35.860 it's like Ryan's going, he's my leader. You know, I find out some of these things about his

00:24:40.100 marriage and alcohol. And he says, I questioned things, you know, I questioned it. And he says,

00:24:44.860 I know some people left, you know, left the iron council and said, Hey, you know, this isn't the

00:24:49.700 guy for me. And he says, but I stuck it out. And he says, by being here this weekend and spending

00:24:54.700 four days raw with Ryan, I'm so glad I did. Because he says, you know, I just see little, I see posts

00:25:02.600 and I see comments and I see, you know, I, he says, but I got to see Ryan in these raw moments

00:25:08.700 and he is a good, powerful person. And, and, and, you know, it's like, what if he would have

00:25:16.580 quickly reacted to some things and just bailed? And it's like, I think when you just judge somebody

00:25:23.220 and you make a decision and you bail or you just walk away, it's like in any aspect of life,

00:25:28.560 your wife, your friends, you know, your mentors, it's like, give them some grace, give them some

00:25:33.980 time to explain what happened. And then you can make a decision. You know, it's like, if, like I

00:25:38.040 said, if, if they keep being an asshole, then you're free to cut them loose. Yeah. But to think

00:25:43.600 that somebody makes a mistake and you just write them off to me, that is just, that that's just

00:25:48.400 immature. Yeah. And, uh, so yeah, I agree. I mean, the time thing is important, but also just

00:25:55.000 observe, you know, observe what people do. And I think you can tell really quickly about

00:25:59.840 a person when things don't go their way or they make a mistake, whether it's subconscious

00:26:06.600 or deliberate, they, they do something they shouldn't do. It's like, is this out of character

00:26:11.660 for this person? And if it is, then I think we ought to give that person the benefit of the

00:26:16.440 doubt and maybe even just sit on the sideline. I'm not saying you need to be fully immersed,

00:26:19.980 but sit on the sideline and say, I'm not leaving yet, but show me what you're made of. Like,

00:26:27.780 show me what you're going to do now. And if you see a person who stumbled and fallen,

00:26:32.320 who gets back up, he dusts himself off, he gets back into it. Uh, they're willing to admit their

00:26:38.580 mistakes. They change their behavior. You know, there's a scripture in, in, in, uh, there's a

00:26:45.560 scripture that says by their fruits, he shall know thee. And so if you look at a person and you

00:26:51.240 wonder, is this person a good person? Is this somebody I should follow? Is this person, somebody

00:26:56.360 worthy of my time and attention? Look at what they do, not in the moment necessarily, but over the

00:27:03.280 long haul, cause we all slip, but look at what they do over the long haul. And you're going to see

00:27:07.260 this person produces good fruit. You know, I see guys who, for example,

00:27:11.480 I might not know very well personally, but I can see the people that they know and the circle of

00:27:18.680 friends they keep. And I can't help but think there's, I don't know what it is, but there's

00:27:23.560 something about that guy that allows him to keep company with good people. And so I'm willing to look

00:27:29.960 at that and figure out what that is because I want to create that in my own life. Absolutely.

00:27:35.960 Absolutely. And I, and I, you know, that's what Trevor was saying. He says he may have lost some

00:27:39.500 people, but I think he's gaining a lot more because he's showing up at, like you're saying,

00:27:45.520 and he's changing. And, you know, I think people can relate to that, but if you don't give, if you

00:27:51.280 just bail, you know, and Hey, he made a mistake. He's not perfect. I thought he was, I'm out.

00:27:57.460 You're missing all of this. And I think this is where the growth happens. You know, we grew up LDS,

00:28:03.360 you know, and I think that, I think the best bishops are the ones who have seen some stuff,

00:28:07.700 you know, they're the ones who can relate and say, Hey, you know, I'm not perfect either. The

00:28:13.300 ones that have just never had a problem. And you go to them and say, you know, I touched a girl

00:28:18.400 inappropriately, you know, at 18, they're like, well, Oh, Oh, okay. We got to handle this. And it's

00:28:24.360 like, you know, were you never 18? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You know? So, so I, I kind of think people

00:28:33.040 are going to start relating, you know, I think, I think not start, but I think people can relate

00:28:37.700 to what you're going through. And it's been good for me to, uh, you know, see how you handle it.

00:28:43.040 You know, not necessarily that you went through it. I hate that as your friend and I wish it never

00:28:46.360 happened, but to see you come and come out the other side, a better person, that's what life's about.

00:28:55.840 Man, I'm going to take a break from the conversation very briefly. You're probably going to hear me talk

00:28:59.940 about on this podcast. If we haven't already mentioned it, uh, that we are going to be hunting

00:29:03.560 in Africa on August 5th through the 11th. And then there's another week right after that,

00:29:08.060 the 11th through the 17th. So two separate dates. Uh, I could not be more excited to join Rick and his

00:29:13.680 family and a few other friends on the hunt of a lifetime. Now I'm telling you this because we're

00:29:18.620 actually opening it up to a few of you who would like to hunt with us. If you want to know what

00:29:23.380 options are available, including the non hunting packages that we still have head to M42.

00:29:28.740 That's the number 42 M42 adventures.com and get signed up immediately. We're going to be hunting

00:29:35.720 at a five-star facility in South Africa, uh, doing humanitarian work while we're there

00:29:41.900 taking a photography safari. We've got a helicopter ride planned. It's going to be unlike anything I can

00:29:48.860 assure you that you've ever done. And I'd love to have you there with us. All the information you

00:29:53.560 need, including the pricing and package details are at M42. Again, the number 42 adventures,

00:30:00.280 M42 adventures.com. And if you have any additional questions, you can message me directly on Instagram

00:30:06.460 at Ryan Mickler, M I C H L E R Instagram at Ryan Mickler and M42 adventures.com. I know if you're

00:30:15.300 planning a trip to Africa, September, excuse me, August is not that far away. So get on this very,

00:30:20.340 very quickly. We've got some spots remaining and I'd love to hunt Africa with you again,

00:30:25.180 M42 adventures.com. You can do that right after the show for now. I'll get back to it with Rick.

00:30:32.820 It's hard to, it's hard to acknowledge in the moment that life will get better.

00:30:38.520 You know, we're talking about my divorce, for example, but you also talked about businesses

00:30:42.520 that have not done well. It's hard in those moments when you're out tens, hundreds of thousands,

00:30:48.540 even millions of dollars to think life will get better, or you're in the midst of a, of a bankruptcy

00:30:54.740 because of, of the economy and your choices during that, that, that era, uh, or, or a marriage that

00:31:01.580 falls apart because you did something that you shouldn't have done or, or your behavior over a

00:31:07.860 sustained period of time was not what it should have been. It's really, really difficult in that

00:31:13.120 moment to say, Oh, life will get better. But if you stick through it and you learn the lessons

00:31:17.400 like I can now, and I'm sure you can with your businesses, you can look back and say,

00:31:21.920 actually as twisted as it might sound, I'm grateful for the hardship. I'm grateful for

00:31:30.820 my personal struggles because I'm pretty satisfied and happy with where I am in life right now. And I

00:31:37.500 don't know if you feel the same way, but I imagine you feel pretty good about that 2008, 2009 financial

00:31:44.300 catastrophe for you and your family, because you would not be in the position you are today

00:31:49.740 if it weren't for that. Yeah. A hundred percent. I always tell people it was the best and worst time

00:31:55.860 of my life. You know, uh, I mean, we lost everything, you know, financially. And the two things that it

00:32:03.660 taught me are you can get your finances back again, if you, you know, learn the lesson and

00:32:09.540 who's around you when, you know, you lose everything financially. You know, that was a big lesson for me.

00:32:14.900 I had a, you know, a lot of toys and a lot of things. And I had a lot of people around that wanted

00:32:19.200 to come sit in my hot tub and ride my motorcycles and, you know, go on trips with me. And then, you

00:32:25.060 know, I lost everything. And it's like, you know, it was my grandparents, my parents, a few close

00:32:29.360 friends that, you know, weren't in, you know, for the necessarily the experiences. And, and, uh,

00:32:35.080 you know, and so, but, but if I would have just made money, I made quite a bit of money and then

00:32:39.240 lost it. And I always think about this, if I would have just made money and never had that drop,

00:32:44.760 you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't appreciate where I'm at today. You know, I go out to my property now,

00:32:49.200 my, my cabin in Apple Valley that you've been to, and probably three out of four times I get emotional

00:32:56.000 driving up the driveway. And I'm like, what, man, you know, why have I got this lump in my throat?

00:33:01.120 And it's like, cause this was so hard to get, you know? And so your next business, when it starts

00:33:07.660 working out or your next relationship, it's just, it's just, you appreciate, you know, that because

00:33:14.400 you've been alone, you've been there in alone and, you know, for months or years. And when you find

00:33:21.460 somebody that, you know, cares about you, it's just, it's just a stronger bond because you know

00:33:28.220 what it feels like to be alone. So a hundred percent, you know, you, you, uh, those things are

00:33:33.380 so important, you know, you don't have to go through them. Hopefully you don't have to, but if

00:33:37.920 you do and you, and you know, you, you persist and you've learned the lessons, you know, I have a lot

00:33:44.780 of, a few friends who've taken their lives in the dark times. And I think about them often thinking,

00:33:49.840 man, if you would have just come out the other side, you know, there's another sunrise

00:33:52.880 and man, you know, where would they be today? You know, uh, it's just heartbreaking because they,

00:34:01.500 they just tapped out. They, they, they, you know, the official tap and it breaks my heart because

00:34:08.340 I've been, I've never been suicidal, but I've just been in a place where I just saw no hope,

00:34:13.220 uh, financially. And I look at it 10 years later and, you know, I've been traveling the

00:34:20.660 world and, you know, I have everything I could ever want pretty much financially. And I just

00:34:25.900 think, gosh, man, just keep fighting, keep fighting.

00:34:29.100 It's just, I think it's us as, as human beings, the scarcity mentality where if we lose something,

00:34:36.000 we think life is over, but we don't live like we did a thousand years ago. For example, if a thousand

00:34:43.760 years ago or 10,000 years ago, we, we killed a woolly mammoth and a neighboring tribe came in and

00:34:51.000 wanted it, they would steal our women, they would kill or enslave us and they would steal our food

00:34:56.980 and we would die. That's the reality of the situation. But now, you know, you miss your mortgage

00:35:04.080 payment and you can catch up or worst case scenario, you miss enough mortgage payments and they take

00:35:10.820 your house, but you can go find other housing. You lose your job. You're going to be hit with some

00:35:16.480 unemployment benefits. They're going to help you get through those tough times to get back on your

00:35:21.040 feet. Hopefully, uh, if your wife decides to leave you for whatever reason, you're going to find

00:35:27.640 another woman who's just as, if not greater than, because you learn the lessons. Like we don't live

00:35:33.420 in a scarcity existence anymore. We did, I think at one point, but we really don't anymore, but it's

00:35:40.540 hard to differentiate because of our biological conditioning to differentiate between the

00:35:46.580 neighboring tribe coming in to take our women and kill us versus, Hey, you lost your job. That

00:35:52.660 sucks. Now, what are you going to do? Go find another one. It's hard to differentiate, especially

00:35:57.520 when you're in the throes of it. A hundred percent. And I think that's, you know, a testament to you

00:36:03.460 because I've been, uh, you know, I've been on your journey with you through, you know, not, not, not

00:36:09.480 the alcoholism necessarily, but I was with you in Hawaii a couple of weeks before, you know, you found

00:36:14.740 out about, you know, your divorce. And so I've kind of been there in the raw moments and all along.

00:36:22.040 And I've been, you know, when we were talking about it in those days, you know, it was like,

00:36:26.120 you can go left or you can go right. And you went right, you know, you went, you know, you got in

00:36:31.480 shape, you, you know, just tried to become better and you did. And that's where I think a lot of people,

00:36:38.720 you know, it's, it's a lot of what you, uh, how you react. Yeah. I forgot about that. I forgot that.

00:36:44.920 So when we went to Hawaii two, it was two years ago. Yeah. Two years ago, uh, that was in June.

00:36:53.000 And then in July, my ex told me that she wanted to divorce. So it's, it's when I forgot about that.

00:36:59.780 But when I think about that timeline, it's also pretty amazing how quickly things can turn because

00:37:05.420 I don't know what my mentality was like in Hawaii. It was probably pretty optimistic and fun and

00:37:12.000 enjoyable. And then a month and a half later, my, my whole world was flipped upside down,

00:37:16.800 which completely changed everything for me. So it is amazing. And I think it's something we as men

00:37:22.020 need to be aware of that life's going to change like that. Something's going to happen. That's

00:37:27.100 going to completely just turn everything around and your ability to be aware of it, to identify it,

00:37:32.000 to adjust to it is, is going to be paramount.

00:37:38.280 Yeah. I think that's the key to everything. You know, most of the businesses that fail are the

00:37:41.760 ones who, you know, gave up, you know, I talked to you a lot of times and it's like,

00:37:46.400 you're consistent and persistent, you know? And I think those two things, as long as you do that,

00:37:52.200 you know, you can't, like we kept saying, you can't control things, but you can influence them.

00:37:57.480 That was a big lesson on this weekend's event, you know? And so, yeah, I agree.

00:38:04.960 So to shift gears a little bit, Rick, to go back to the business side of things,

00:38:08.760 cause I know a lot of guys are interested in that. I know just because we're so close that

00:38:12.760 you have so many different ideas and concepts. And I, there was a couple of things. I can't

00:38:17.840 remember what they were right off hand. There was a couple of things mentioned this weekend at some

00:38:21.600 of the events and firesides and chats that we did. And I remember thinking, Oh, Rick's going to like

00:38:26.780 that. And he's going to want to turn that into a business. That's what went through my mind.

00:38:30.000 It was, Oh, you know what it was? It was Jay. It was Jay when he was talking about doing a painting

00:38:36.400 pickleball courts. And I'm actually really curious what you thought about. Cause he presented that

00:38:41.140 and I couldn't help, but look over at you and I'm like, I know Rick's wheels are turning and he's

00:38:46.120 thinking about how he can do that here in Southern Utah. Yeah. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.

00:38:51.860 I'm kind of, yeah, yeah. Like 10 years ago, a hundred percent, a hundred percent. But, um, where

00:38:59.240 I'm at now, uh, financially and, you know, really my businesses, I'm trying to focus on, on just,

00:39:06.700 I want to do stuff that's fun. And so, um, yeah, 10 years ago, you're a hundred percent right. I was

00:39:12.940 just always looking for something. I, I, I, you know, whatever it took, but, um, these days I look for

00:39:19.700 more, uh, you know, self-help, like, you know, adventure, just things like that. So, um, yeah,

00:39:27.900 that one didn't, that one didn't catch me, but, uh, yeah, 10 years ago I had to jump on it.

00:39:31.820 Man, I would have put money. I thought a conversation we'd be having this week is,

00:39:35.640 Hey, I'm going to do this thing. Like, what do you think? Like, I thought for sure we were going

00:39:38.700 to have this conversation this week. Um, okay. So no, I, yeah, it is interesting. Cause I know you

00:39:46.120 guys travel, you and your wife and your kids travel extensively. I'm talking about six,

00:39:51.060 seven, eight months out of the year. You're traveling abroad. I think you said the other

00:39:55.080 day that your three-year-old has been to 30 plus countries, which is crazy from the, the

00:40:00.900 casual observer. Uh, what got you so much into travel? Because there are so many people who

00:40:07.600 want to do that. I don't want to do that to the extent that you do, but I, I went to Scotland

00:40:11.500 last year. We're going to Africa this year together. We're going to Hawaii, which I know

00:40:16.520 isn't abroad, but still it's, it has some of that feel to it. Uh, I love to travel, but

00:40:22.840 what, what got you guys into that, especially with a family as large as yours, that can be

00:40:27.940 a real challenge.

00:40:31.100 Yeah. I, you know, I just, I've always wanted to see the world, you know, I, I, Gina didn't

00:40:37.540 have it. Gina never had it. Uh, we were sitting, it was a New Year's Eve in 2000, uh, I think

00:40:46.780 15. So going into 16 and, uh, I says, Hey, you know, we're starting to make a little bit

00:40:53.760 of money. We got some rental properties. Our businesses are doing good. Like, you know,

00:40:58.260 I think I could retire here in a year or so. Uh, you know, um, and she's like, what? And I

00:41:05.120 says, yeah, I really, I think we could go do what we want to do at least for a certain amount of

00:41:09.780 time. And I says, I'd like to see the world. And she says, I'm, I'm good at that. She really

00:41:15.040 didn't have that at all. She didn't, it never even crossed her mind at the time. She says,

00:41:19.640 it just never been something that was possible. It was just, you know, we go to Disneyland or we go

00:41:24.140 to Lake Powell. Um, you know, we both grew up poor, uh, you know, and she just never even thought

00:41:31.000 that was a dream, which I think that's where most people fall is. It's just, you know,

00:41:34.780 you're trying to go camping or trying to pay to go to Vegas for the weekend, which I understand

00:41:38.920 that was me for a long, long time. Well, Vegas is even a, even a destination for we're fortunate

00:41:45.880 enough. We live an hour and a half to, I'm always blown away when people are like, Oh yeah,

00:41:49.980 we're going to Vegas this year. And I'm like, why? Cause it's so, it's so close and accessible

00:41:56.540 for us, but even that's a big destination for a lot of people. Oh, it's number one. I mean,

00:42:02.760 I would say it is almost number one. We, everywhere we went over the world, everybody

00:42:06.660 asks, where are you from? And I'm like, we're from Southern Utah. And they're like, where's

00:42:11.320 that? We don't even know what that is. And I'm like, it's 90 minutes from Vegas. And they're

00:42:15.740 like Vegas. Oh my gosh. Every time, every time it's just hilarious. So, and, and, you know,

00:42:22.700 Vegas is, you know, got, it's got some fun to it. But like you said, the news worn off for

00:42:27.120 us, we live so close and it's just, you know, just traffic and noise now for me. But, um,

00:42:33.800 so yeah, we, I just went to her and said, Hey, let's, let's go. And luckily, gratefully,

00:42:39.920 she was all in, you know, she's like, that sounds fun. And we bought a one-way ticket to,

00:42:45.460 uh, Normandy. We bought it to Paris. My, the top thing on my list at the time was Normandy,

00:42:50.020 France. And, uh, I just love, you know, my heroes are veterans and military like you

00:42:56.700 are. I think those are the heroes, you know, that's why we're free and have all these freedoms.

00:43:02.240 And I wanted to take my two little boys at the time there. So we bought a one-way ticket

00:43:07.080 to Paris and, and, uh, you know, you might remember calling my mom saying, I'm going to

00:43:13.980 go for a year or two. And she laughed and I says, uh, you know, why are you laughing?

00:43:19.820 And then she says, you're going to get the wonderlust, you know, you're going to get the

00:43:22.400 bug. And we went for a couple of years and I says, we're going to keep going and keep

00:43:28.760 going. And, uh, minus COVID, you know, it's, it's, uh, seven years we were out. So, um,

00:43:35.180 I don't know, you know, everybody's got, I talked to some of my buddies and they're like,

00:43:38.520 dude, you're with your wife and kids for 12 months in a row, like 24, seven, every, I mean,

00:43:44.160 24, seven. And I'm like, yeah. And they're like, that sounds miserable. And yeah, we had our

00:43:49.260 problems. We had our, you know, there's times road tripping in Europe where you're on the

00:43:52.900 road for thousands of miles where you're going to get at each other's throats. But, you know,

00:43:57.920 that's my, that's my world. You know, it's funny because I go to Hawaii with you for a

00:44:01.940 couple of weeks each year and I get homesick. Of course. You know, towards the end, I'm like,

00:44:07.320 I'm like, I miss my boys. I miss my wife, you know, I'm done here. And, uh, and when I'm out

00:44:16.040 with my wife and kids, I never get homesick. You know, it just doesn't happen. I miss my

00:44:20.700 parents a little bit. Uh, you know, that's the one thing I, my grandparents before they

00:44:24.280 passed, but I can be in Italy in a little town, you know, in a Malfi, uh, in a little

00:44:31.500 Airbnb and my little boys are playing on the deck and I'm sitting there, you know, drinking

00:44:35.240 lemon cello with my wife and I was right in the world. And that's just, that's just my

00:44:41.220 happy place. So, you know, we all have things. I have buddies who love being at

00:44:44.960 work. They love golfing. They love, you know, and that's what I think is beautiful

00:44:48.280 about this world. And that's a lot like what we're trying to do with M42

00:44:52.100 adventures is give people, you know, let them go travel, let them go to Africa.

00:44:58.180 You know, you don't have to hunt, come over and just take pictures and, you know, go

00:45:01.560 to the orphanage and fly in a helicopter or, you know, come ride a horse at one of our

00:45:06.380 events. You know, you never know, uh, what is going to grab you. You know, it's

00:45:12.200 like going to your event this weekend, you know, it's like you did shooting, you

00:45:14.820 did archery, you did a cooking class, you did jujitsu. And there's probably guys

00:45:18.640 there that were like, you know, I, I, you know, including me, you know, that I, the

00:45:24.040 PT was just hard for me. It was just, I just not a big exerciser, you know, but I

00:45:29.980 loved the jujitsu, you know, it's like running down a road. I don't enjoy, you know, I

00:45:36.060 don't do it, enjoy doing pushups, but jujitsu is like, oh, that could be my

00:45:41.220 physical outlet, you know? And so that's where I tell everybody, it's like, man,

00:45:45.220 there's, what is it? Baskin Robbins, 32 flavors. There's a reason there's 32

00:45:50.400 flavors.

00:45:50.720 31, come on.

00:45:51.220 Is it? I'm sorry.

00:45:52.700 Jeez.

00:45:53.320 Dang it.

00:45:53.840 Don't mess with Baskin Robbins.

00:45:56.620 Yeah, yeah. And, uh, but there's a reason there's 31 flavors, you know, it's like, you

00:46:01.720 know, not everybody loves chocolate and vanilla and that's, what's beautiful about life.

00:46:05.380 But I think a lot of people, they don't go try all the flavors, you know, and they

00:46:09.160 don't, they don't experience a lot of stuff either because of the finances or, or

00:46:13.500 whatever, uh, you know, and I think if you can go try as much as you can, you get, you

00:46:19.560 know, obviously one life, you know, it's on my, uh, you know, it's on my wall here, uh,

00:46:24.980 let's move it over, but you know, I got that little ticket on my wall and it says one

00:46:30.080 life, you know, one per customer and you know, that's, that's how I live.

00:46:37.000 And that's how I've tried to live my whole life.

00:46:39.080 Even when I didn't have money, we just tried to go do whatever we could at that time, whether

00:46:42.300 it was camping or whatever.

00:46:43.200 But yeah, man, I don't know.

00:46:45.340 Travel just, it just is my jam.

00:46:49.460 I just love it.

00:46:50.200 I love meeting new people.

00:46:51.780 You know, I love seeing new places.

00:46:53.340 I love, you know, I hear a lot of people that are like, man, you know, you flew to Australia.

00:46:58.860 That's like 17 hours.

00:47:00.380 And I'm like, dude, you know what?

00:47:01.800 A hundred years ago, it was like a three month boat ride.

00:47:04.680 And you probably had a 50% chance of dying.

00:47:08.160 Yeah, exactly.

00:47:09.460 Yeah, exactly.

00:47:10.440 It's like now you sit in a chair and you watch a movie and drink a Diet Coke.

00:47:13.760 And it's like, you know, I just think we live in a time where travel is so easy.

00:47:20.480 And why not?

00:47:22.240 Right.

00:47:22.940 It just, it changes you.

00:47:24.960 It's literally changed me as a person.

00:47:26.980 And I think that's also what's helped me with my compassion is, you know, you meet some of

00:47:31.980 these, you know, you go to Bali and you're seeing a little girl playing with a doll that

00:47:35.740 has one leg and how can you not come home and feel blessed and grateful and, you know,

00:47:42.040 and, and so it's just, it's just, I don't know.

00:47:44.920 You, you went to Costa Rica with me for 10 days.

00:47:46.900 We had a great time.

00:47:47.880 Oh, it was one of my favorite trips.

00:47:50.740 I think it probably, it probably is in the top, it's in the top two or three favorite trips.

00:47:56.680 And that's in the throes of me going through a divorce even.

00:48:00.820 And it was still just the, the time with the kids and all of the different experiences

00:48:06.420 and cultures I hadn't seen before.

00:48:08.340 You know, actually one of the funnest parts of that trip was I was, I think we were, were

00:48:13.360 we in the, we were in the fitness competition at that point, right?

00:48:15.740 With you and me and some friends.

00:48:18.260 Oh yeah.

00:48:19.040 Yeah.

00:48:19.320 Yeah.

00:48:19.640 So you would go lift every day, every morning, me and my oldest son would go find a gym.

00:48:25.160 We went to three different gyms while we were there, but we'd go find a gym and we

00:48:29.500 would go work out.

00:48:30.320 In fact, one morning I did an hour long workout.

00:48:33.500 I don't know if you know this.

00:48:34.600 I did an hour long workout in the bathroom of the hotel we were in.

00:48:39.260 I do remember that.

00:48:40.380 I was up in the cloud forest.

00:48:41.680 I remember.

00:48:42.060 That's right.

00:48:42.520 Yeah.

00:48:42.700 You tell me and I'm like, bro.

00:48:44.300 Yeah.

00:48:44.500 It was in the bathroom.

00:48:45.400 I was doing like, like burpees and pushups and air squats.

00:48:48.940 And I did like 10 rounds, but the coolest part of that was going to the gyms and just

00:48:55.460 rubbing shoulders with the locals a little bit.

00:48:58.600 I, you know, obviously I didn't, I didn't speak the language, but there was still, we

00:49:02.500 were all there at the gym together and we could communicate to the degree that we needed

00:49:05.580 to.

00:49:06.000 It was so much fun.

00:49:07.260 That part of it.

00:49:07.900 I love that part of it.

00:49:10.300 And that's it for me, man.

00:49:11.640 It's just, you know, that's what we do.

00:49:13.140 We go and we try to fish with people.

00:49:15.240 We try to, you know, you know, we hit up the gyms too, as well.

00:49:18.860 Not as much as you guys, but yeah.

00:49:21.500 Parks, we go to a lot of parks with the kids and, you know, it's, yeah, you just kind of

00:49:26.720 find what, like I said, travel can be different for somebody.

00:49:29.280 Some people want to go travel and lay on the beach.

00:49:31.460 You know, you saw how I traveled.

00:49:32.860 We went there for 10 days.

00:49:33.840 We did a lot of activities.

00:49:34.960 A couple of down days, but I like, I like, you know, zip lining and I like, you know,

00:49:42.580 going to the hot, hot springs and just, you know, going out and experiencing it.

00:49:46.860 And I don't know, man, that's just, that was a little glimpse into what I do and you

00:49:51.400 had a good time.

00:49:52.320 So, you know, I think a lot of it too is in the beginning, it was a little stressful

00:49:57.420 because I didn't know even how to do it.

00:49:59.320 I didn't have a travel agent.

00:50:00.800 I planned everything, the language barriers, you know, again.

00:50:04.960 Again, like starting a business, you know, a lot of people stay home.

00:50:08.900 I remember, I remember being in Carcassonne, France and my secretary at the time called

00:50:14.000 me, asked me some questions.

00:50:15.120 I'd been gone about three months at the time and she called me about some accounting things

00:50:20.880 and she says, what are you doing?

00:50:22.940 And I says, I'm looking for milk for my baby.

00:50:25.860 He was two at the time and I says, he needs, he wants a bottle, you know, and we're trying

00:50:29.220 to find some milk and I can't find milk.

00:50:30.920 Their milk over there, most of their milk is, I don't know what the word is, but it's,

00:50:34.960 it's where it's been superheated.

00:50:36.620 So it's on the shelf in boxes, not in refrigerators.

00:50:39.880 Not pasteurized as something different.

00:50:42.840 Yeah, it's not pasteurized.

00:50:44.240 It's like a, it's a, cause they don't, they don't like to have a lot of refrigeration in

00:50:48.820 their grocery stores.

00:50:49.520 They, they say, you guys, it's weird, but our grocery stores, you know, you have aisles

00:50:53.900 and aisles of refrigeration and I, and, uh, for freezers.

00:50:58.220 And over there they don't, uh, because of the power, the power bill, you know, so they,

00:51:02.840 they've, so a lot of their milks, you know, superheated.

00:51:06.300 So it'll last on the shelf and it tastes funny to us, right?

00:51:09.420 Because we've never had it.

00:51:10.560 And my little two-year-old didn't like it.

00:51:13.200 And I says, I've been walking around for an hour.

00:51:15.560 I've gone to three different stores trying to find pasteurized milk.

00:51:19.400 And she's like, oh my gosh, I could never do that.

00:51:21.800 She's like that.

00:51:22.400 She says, I'm having a panic attack right now talking to you.

00:51:26.620 And I'm like, it's fine.

00:51:28.000 And I'm like, he's not going to die, you know, like, you know, and so I think that's

00:51:32.300 again, the lesson of business or anything you do in life.

00:51:35.520 You know, I planned it out as much as I could.

00:51:37.520 I went there with, you know, extra money in case it didn't work out.

00:51:42.420 Um, but at the time, you know, it was like, okay, I, I'm, I'm 80% there.

00:51:47.140 It's time to jump.

00:51:48.580 And, uh, you know, hopefully it all works out.

00:51:52.060 And, uh, you know, we talked a lot about at your retreat, uh, how people over, over,

00:52:01.040 uh, uh, uh, what's the word you just, you, you make the, the fears or the problems way

00:52:07.040 bigger than they're ever going to be.

00:52:10.140 Exaggerate it.

00:52:10.660 Yeah.

00:52:11.780 You know, and then once you do it, it's never usually as bad as what you had in your mind.

00:52:15.980 You know, Chris was talking a lot about that.

00:52:18.660 Um, and that's true, you know, it's like, yeah, we had some problems, you know, whatever,

00:52:22.740 whatever, but that's part of the adventure.

00:52:25.280 You know, that's the story I'm telling on a podcast, you know, it's like, that's the one

00:52:28.500 that stood out was me trying to find milk and, and that, that, you know, to me, life's

00:52:33.820 the adventure and, you know, try not to get caught up in, in the fear of it, but the adventure

00:52:40.840 part of it, put a spin on it and just say, Hey, you know, this is, this is exciting.

00:52:45.640 This is going to be a story to tell.

00:52:47.380 Yeah.

00:52:47.860 I love, well, we, man, we could go on and on about stories.

00:52:50.820 I was telling somebody about our Hawaiian goat story the other day and like you and I could

00:52:55.540 go on and on about our stories, but the other thing that stood out as you were telling that

00:52:59.220 story about the milk is I think a lot of guys, they're, they're concerned with, well, I don't

00:53:05.040 know what I would do if fill in the blank.

00:53:08.180 So I don't know what I would do to get my first customer.

00:53:11.000 I don't know what I would do if I was in that relationship and she wanted out or we had a

00:53:15.820 hard time.

00:53:16.300 I don't know what I would do if I went on vacation and I couldn't find milk for the baby

00:53:20.800 or, uh, the hotel we were going to stay at double booked the rooms.

00:53:24.380 And so now we don't have a place to stay.

00:53:26.100 It's like, you'll figure that shit out.

00:53:28.120 Like I wish more men had that mentality of, yeah, I don't know either.

00:53:31.960 And what I do know is that it's not going to go to according to plan, but we'll figure

00:53:36.260 it out.

00:53:36.700 You know, you take this weekend and we had a three and a half day schedule down to the

00:53:42.860 minute.

00:53:43.220 You saw it.

00:53:44.480 Here's what we're going to do.

00:53:45.520 It was amazing.

00:53:46.100 Yeah.

00:53:46.860 We were probably 65% on that for the weekend.

00:53:52.240 Most guys don't even know.

00:53:53.480 And I, and I mentioned that towards the end, I said, you wouldn't even know that we were

00:53:57.220 off because we have a guy like Chris Gatchko, who's an event coordinator.

00:54:01.020 We'd put the right people in the right places.

00:54:03.260 And even the things that don't go according to plan, like we had Ironman and we needed

00:54:08.260 70 bags of ice.

00:54:09.780 And we had Ironman that were blocking the roads to the convenience store that we were going

00:54:13.800 to go to in the morning to get ice.

00:54:15.500 It's just like, what do you do?

00:54:16.820 Yeah.

00:54:17.340 Okay.

00:54:17.540 Well, figure that shit out.

00:54:19.240 Cause it's gotta happen.

00:54:20.580 You made a promise.

00:54:21.660 You made a commitment.

00:54:22.580 There's some extenuating circumstances we didn't prepare for, but have some faith that

00:54:27.800 as a human being, you're capable of figuring some things out on the fly in the moment.

00:54:32.960 And I think you'll be more likely to take risks and go on some of these adventures.

00:54:36.140 Yeah, there was a couple of times, you know, I've got my wife and two little boys for most

00:54:42.800 of my travels for five years, you know, my three-year-old, the last couple.

00:54:47.380 But, you know, there was a couple of times where we slept in the car.

00:54:51.440 You know, I remember being in, in, in Sinctera going, trying to find an Airbnb, couldn't find

00:54:57.440 it, got there late.

00:54:58.200 The language barrier just wasn't working.

00:54:59.660 Where is that?

00:55:00.220 Where did you say it was?

00:55:00.940 I just said, Hey, Italy, Sinctera.

00:55:03.860 So, and just bad reception.

00:55:08.660 And I'm like, Hey, we're sleeping.

00:55:10.300 I'm six, five, you know, and I had a little car, you know, you know, me, I'm cheap with

00:55:13.820 gas mileage and I knew we were going to road trip the U S or the, you know, uh, Europe

00:55:18.120 for six months.

00:55:19.900 And so I was like, you know, we're going to get a cheap car.

00:55:23.000 Uh, and so it was small, uh, it was new, brand new, but it was small.

00:55:27.460 And I look at Gina and I'm like, we're sleeping in the car tonight, you know?

00:55:31.100 And she's like, okay.

00:55:32.020 And she was just good with it.

00:55:33.040 The boys, but again, we get, you know, we get home to grandma and grandpa and my boys

00:55:38.160 are like, yeah, we slept in the car.

00:55:39.780 It was crazy.

00:55:40.620 You know, like, you know, you remember sleeping in the car?

00:55:46.180 Yeah, exactly.

00:55:48.400 Exactly.

00:55:48.960 Yeah.

00:55:49.500 Yeah.

00:55:49.760 It's like going to Costa Rica.

00:55:50.780 You know, our boys remember catching crabs.

00:55:52.480 They don't, you know, it's like, well, don't you remember the, you know, the zip lines or

00:55:56.180 some of the highlights that we think that they would like, but you know, and that's why I,

00:56:00.460 that's, everybody says, how do you travel with kids?

00:56:02.660 You know?

00:56:02.920 And I'm like, I wouldn't have it any other way, honestly, because the Sistine Chapel's

00:56:07.120 nice.

00:56:07.440 I've been there.

00:56:08.000 It's beautiful.

00:56:08.640 It's, it's amazing.

00:56:09.520 It's, you know, it's, it is what it is, but my highlights are being in parks, you know,

00:56:14.740 kicking a soccer ball or throwing a football or, you know, catching my kid at the bottom

00:56:19.120 of a slide that is my highlights.

00:56:23.900 You know, the other, the, the sites are what, what move you down the road, but it's the in

00:56:29.260 between, you know, jumping on the beds, you know, and, and, you know, one of the funniest

00:56:33.520 things is in Costa Rica.

00:56:34.660 When I walked into your room, what were you guys playing hide and seek?

00:56:39.560 Uh, yeah.

00:56:40.400 What was that?

00:56:41.120 Yeah.

00:56:41.480 We were playing hide and seek in the room.

00:56:43.260 And so the kids were like under the beds, like Brecken crawled up, there was a closet

00:56:49.000 on a shell, like he crawled up in, if you open the closet, it had shelving in there.

00:56:53.420 And he got in the closet and climbed up like on the shelf and it was tucked behind some

00:56:57.680 spare blankets.

00:56:58.420 It was like, I don't think they found him.

00:57:01.380 That's what I walked in.

00:57:02.940 Yeah.

00:57:03.260 He's a big boy too, man.

00:57:04.440 He's a big boy.

00:57:05.220 And I come, I'm like, I come walk it in and, you know, but that's like, that's what

00:57:09.500 Castle and Hayes are like, we want to go on a trip with the Micklers again, you know,

00:57:12.400 and play hide and seek in the room.

00:57:13.660 And I'm like, and so, you know, yeah, but I just feel like people try to control.

00:57:20.080 Again, we talked a lot about that, you know, and you try to, you try to, you know, set

00:57:24.320 yourself up for as much as success as you can, but man, that's just not, you're going

00:57:29.480 to get a flat tire, you know, you're going to, but if you're prepared and you're, you're

00:57:34.100 ready for it, you have a spare or, you know, you're just, you're just, uh, you know,

00:57:40.100 proactive, not reactive.

00:57:41.360 And I think that in business and life just increases your chances of success.

00:57:46.820 If you're driving down the road and you don't have a spare tire, it's going to be a lot

00:57:50.440 harder when you get a flat.

00:57:51.880 But if you plan and you plan accordingly and you have a spare, when you get that flat, it's

00:57:55.520 going to be an inconvenience, but you just change the tire, you're out a couple hours

00:57:58.480 and you move on.

00:57:59.160 And so anybody going into business, obviously you want to, you know, set the odds in your

00:58:04.960 favor.

00:58:05.520 And a big thing for me is mentors.

00:58:08.360 You know, I think that's probably, I was trying to think what the number one thing

00:58:11.480 for me, and it's people like you, uh, you know, that, that are out ahead leading the

00:58:18.800 charge.

00:58:20.160 And, you know, I, I look at it like cheat codes, um, you know, books, the books you've

00:58:25.480 written, other books that have been written, you know, and I encourage people to just get

00:58:30.420 knowledge and get people that are, you know, ahead of you in the race.

00:58:35.180 You know, I just did a podcast for him 42 last week with Bryce Jones and he's a triathlon

00:58:39.480 runner.

00:58:41.080 And, you know, he gave me, you know, two or three dozen tips that for me to learn would

00:58:48.540 have taken what he took 20 years, but I got to learn it in an hour and a half because he

00:58:54.280 told me what to look for, you know?

00:58:55.860 And so you can find these people that have traveled and, you know, there's all these Instagram

00:58:59.960 accounts and all these books on everything pretty much that you, you know, I'm starting

00:59:05.940 in 42 adventures with you.

00:59:07.680 I don't know how to saddle a horse.

00:59:09.340 I don't know how to, you know, but I can, I know how to find the people who know how to

00:59:13.960 saddle a horse that have horses.

00:59:15.820 And then I bring them and they teach me and the others.

00:59:19.180 You know, if I tried to start M42 adventures and run the shooting school and run the fly

00:59:25.540 fishing school and run the, you know, all the events we're doing, it would take me 20

00:59:30.340 years and be a nightmare.

00:59:32.160 Right.

00:59:32.820 But I find people that are, you know, specialists in their fields, like, like your cooking class

00:59:37.520 on Saturday night, you know, imagine you up there teaching that, you know, no way I

00:59:41.680 could do that or the, or the, yeah, it would be, it'd be disgusting or the medical class.

00:59:46.600 It's like, I don't know, everybody, everybody I taught would basically kill the person they're

00:59:51.580 trying to save.

00:59:52.460 If it were me trying to do a hundred percent, me too, me too.

00:59:56.700 And, and so you bring in people and I don't know why people don't realize that, you know,

01:00:03.140 it's, it's common sense when you're trying to learn CPR, you go to a CPR class.

01:00:06.860 But when it's like, I want to run a business, it's like, well, I'll just start it.

01:00:10.480 And it's like, no, find somebody who started a business, go talk to them.

01:00:13.720 Most people, you know, Trevor, I, I, Trevor, when he got out of my car, he says, thanks

01:00:18.320 for the ride.

01:00:18.760 And I says, no problem.

01:00:19.500 And he says, when you offered to take somebody to town, I thought I want to ride with him

01:00:23.680 jumped on it because he started.

01:00:25.560 Yeah.

01:00:25.960 He says he started a lot of businesses and if I could spend an extra hour with you and

01:00:29.740 we talked a lot about business and his future plans.

01:00:33.180 And, you know, I, I, everybody above you is usually trying to pull you up and the ones

01:00:38.520 that are below you are trying to pull you down.

01:00:40.640 So get people above you and, and reach out to them.

01:00:44.280 Nine out of 10, uh, we'll try to help you that I've ever found.

01:00:49.080 And, you know, I think that's the biggest thing that separates success and failure is

01:00:54.600 learning from others.

01:00:56.080 If you had to jump in, imagine, you know, all the things, you know, in your life, if you

01:01:00.580 had to just learn them, you know, but if you, you go to school, you go, you have coaches,

01:01:05.960 you have teachers, you have parents all trying to teach you stuff faster and better ways than

01:01:11.700 they did it so that you can win that game or, you know, pass that class or start that

01:01:18.300 business.

01:01:18.800 And so, and I think it's so funny to me that after high school, I don't know what the

01:01:23.220 statistic is, but it's like 90% of people after high school don't read it, read a book.

01:01:28.200 You know?

01:01:28.960 Uh, that's actually when I started reading, I never read a book in high school.

01:01:32.420 I didn't start reading until I was at a high school.

01:01:35.340 Me too.

01:01:36.180 Me too.

01:01:36.760 And that's, and that's, yeah, I'm on, I'm with you on that one, you know, but, uh, yeah,

01:01:41.500 that's the funny thing to me is people just stop, you know, and think, Oh, I graduated,

01:01:47.300 you know, and, and I know everything I'm ever going to know.

01:01:50.700 And now I'm going to go work at this job and just run it out and live my life on replay and

01:01:56.300 on the, you know, hamster wheel.

01:01:58.000 And it's like, man, if you read a couple of books and go to a couple of events, you

01:02:02.720 know, you know, that your event up there was 25 men that are trying to improve themselves

01:02:10.100 that are trying to, you know, there's a set of tons there that are highly successful.

01:02:16.840 And so, you know, that's what events are about for me.

01:02:20.680 I love the shooting.

01:02:21.560 I love the paramedic stuff.

01:02:22.820 I don't like the PT training.

01:02:24.380 I found out, uh, make it harder for you.

01:02:27.060 But I love, yeah, yeah.

01:02:29.900 Uh, but I just love the conversations, you know, and I think a lot of people think, you

01:02:35.800 know, what's the price of the ticket?

01:02:37.180 What am I getting?

01:02:38.000 And it's like, I'm getting to go, you know, shoot a gun or, or, you know, learn CPR, which

01:02:43.240 is obviously valuable, but it's the relationships that can change your life.

01:02:48.980 You know, learning how to shoot a gun can change your life in a couple instances, but

01:02:52.620 making four or five of the connections that you make at these events can change your trajectory,

01:02:57.040 you know, uh, also.

01:02:59.420 Yeah.

01:03:00.240 Well, I want to talk just briefly about M42 and, and, and what I was thinking about as

01:03:04.900 we'd have this conversation is it's, it's interesting to me now where you've created

01:03:10.180 this life of travel, but now you're able to create, in addition to that, a business.

01:03:14.340 And part of the reason I'm so excited about it too, is that I love to hunt.

01:03:18.440 Anybody who's listening to the podcast for any amount of time knows that I love to hunt.

01:03:23.120 And so I'm traveling anyways, I'm going to do these things anyways, but man, if we can

01:03:27.660 create an opportunity to have a business that's centered around outdoor experiences, where

01:03:33.560 I get to do the things I'm going to do anyways, but now we get to invite other people who

01:03:38.880 want to learn how to hunt, who want to learn how to fly fish or go horseback riding or travel

01:03:43.780 to Costa Rica and do a surfing school or a weekend down there, man, I love the fact that

01:03:49.040 there's a lot of congruency between you and me, our own personal desires and pursuits, and

01:03:53.640 now creating a business that allows people the same opportunities that, man, we wish we

01:03:58.480 would have had that cheat code when we started doing these things.

01:04:01.120 Yeah, a hundred percent, you know, I tell everybody, you know, it's self-serving, you

01:04:08.000 know, I gratefully, you know, for now, because shit can change, but for now I don't have to

01:04:14.920 work.

01:04:15.260 I don't need a job.

01:04:16.960 You know, we were going to continue traveling.

01:04:19.380 We've hit most of our highlights that we want even multiple times, you know, and, you

01:04:25.080 know, my kids want to play football.

01:04:26.420 They want a dog, you know, they've never been to school.

01:04:29.040 You know, my 12 year olds never had a full year of school.

01:04:33.360 And I said, you know, I was talking to my dad.

01:04:35.100 My dad says, you know, they've sacrificed a lot for you.

01:04:38.200 Now you need to sacrifice for them.

01:04:39.980 And so that's where we're at is, you know, we're coming home, not because I'm done, but

01:04:45.520 because my boys want something and they've given, you know, years of their life for me.

01:04:52.100 And so I'm going to do that.

01:04:53.240 So we came home, we got a little boxer puppy.

01:04:55.080 We put them in football in school and they're enjoying it.

01:04:59.720 And, uh, and so I thought, well, if I'm home, I need to do something and I have companies

01:05:03.820 that I can go back to and be the CEO of and make great money, but I don't want to go run

01:05:08.640 a cabinet, you know, company.

01:05:10.720 I don't want to run a flooring store.

01:05:11.960 And so I've had this idea for a while and that's when I called you a few months ago

01:05:16.360 when I was in Scotland and said, Hey, I have this idea.

01:05:19.300 And he said, I love it.

01:05:20.360 Let's do it.

01:05:21.720 And yeah, it's basically just, you know, I want to learn these things.

01:05:25.640 It's not, you know, I want to learn how to, you know, work with the horse and work, you

01:05:29.640 know, fly fish.

01:05:30.280 And so we had an event a week ago, uh, up at my parents, 50 acre ranch in Utah.

01:05:34.940 Uh, we had 33 people attend and we did, you know, uh, a couple of things you did.

01:05:42.140 We did, uh, you know, uh, firearm training, archery training, uh, fly fishing classes,

01:05:49.160 UTVs.

01:05:49.740 We brought in four, uh, state of the art UTVs, uh, side-by-sides, um, brought in half a dozen

01:05:56.860 horses, uh, brought in, uh, six different chefs that taught outdoor cooking.

01:06:02.460 Um, we brought in, uh, EMT from, uh, a local, uh, town here that taught CPR and safety.

01:06:11.660 Um, we had a hiking class, taught people how to pack and what to wear.

01:06:17.040 And so, yeah, we brought people in, we did ice baths and stuff like that.

01:06:21.020 And basically it's just trying to get people who don't have the opportunity to, you know,

01:06:25.600 experience one or all of these things.

01:06:28.460 And it was amazing, man.

01:06:29.720 We did the event.

01:06:30.520 We had, it's not just men.

01:06:31.840 You know, this is men, women, children.

01:06:33.880 We had, uh, single women.

01:06:35.840 We had single men.

01:06:36.680 We had families that brought kids.

01:06:38.420 You know, one family brought a three-year-old, um, first time riding a horse around and he

01:06:43.120 just didn't want to get off it.

01:06:44.360 You know, just, he would have rode that horse for all three days, you know, just, um, you

01:06:50.660 know, it was something that was, uh, uh, I got a text after and, uh, actually Ricky, he's

01:06:57.140 here in the studio with me on my end and he texted me after and said, dude, that was my

01:07:01.960 daughter's, uh, top five days of her life.

01:07:05.260 And she's, how old is she?

01:07:07.600 14 years old.

01:07:08.540 And that was one of the top five days of her life.

01:07:10.800 Like she, she took the fly fishing class, um, got a fly pole and caught a, you know, what

01:07:17.900 was it?

01:07:18.260 A couple pounder, a couple pound rainbow trout with a fly pole.

01:07:22.680 20, 20 inches.

01:07:24.060 20 inches.

01:07:24.900 Rainbow trout with a fly pole.

01:07:26.460 And then she took it over to the fire and cooked it on the fire and she gutted it.

01:07:32.000 He's, he's filling me in.

01:07:33.160 She gutted it.

01:07:33.820 And, uh, it changed her, you know, it literally just was a life-changing experience for her.

01:07:39.320 And that's the concept, you know, is to educate people on, you know, all things.

01:07:44.380 It's not just hunting.

01:07:45.360 Like you said, you know, it's going to, we're going to expand next year into multiple categories,

01:07:50.120 but, and then have them experience it.

01:07:52.600 You know, I think we talked a lot about that at your event this, this weekend where a lot

01:07:55.660 of people these days are educating, they're reading the books or going to the seminars

01:07:59.200 or listening to the podcast.

01:08:01.620 That's fine, but do something, you know, sign up for the retreat, sign up for the hunt, sign

01:08:06.800 up for the mountain biking, you know, trip with your buddies, you know, go hike a mountain,

01:08:11.840 you know, go buy a bow and shoot it.

01:08:13.580 It doesn't have to be through us.

01:08:14.860 You know, I don't care, but I just want to get people out there and, and having an adventure,

01:08:20.820 you know, and, um, and then you'll level up, you know?

01:08:25.120 So ours is educate experience and evolve and it's education, learn, learn about it, go

01:08:30.740 out and do it, actually do it, shoot the bow, fire the gun, ride the horse, drive the UTV.

01:08:36.980 And when you go home, you can tell people, Hey, you know, this weekend or this, you know,

01:08:43.260 this event, uh, I did, I did, I shot a gun for the first time or I learned how to shoot

01:08:48.400 a gun better.

01:08:48.980 You know, we had a firearm trainer there that's been in the military, served two tours

01:08:53.500 in, in, uh, I think, I don't know if it was Iraq, but I mean, he taught me four, I've shot

01:08:59.260 guns my whole life and I learned three or four different things that, you know, so yeah,

01:09:04.100 it's, it's, it's going to be amazing, man.

01:09:06.040 I'm excited.

01:09:06.600 You know, it's going to hopefully grow from this, you know, three day events where you

01:09:10.280 get to come and spend, you know, half a day with horses, half a day with, you know, side

01:09:13.700 by sides to, you know, three and four day events next year, where it's, you know, a

01:09:19.620 three or four day, uh, horse ride.

01:09:22.620 You go up into the mountains, you, you, I mean, imagine how cool that would be, man.

01:09:26.480 Literally like I've never done it.

01:09:28.620 So imagine you Brecken and Eli and me and Castle and Hayes sign up for this event.

01:09:32.880 We show up, uh, the bottom of Pine Valley mountain in new harmony.

01:09:37.040 You get your horse, you're introduced to your horse, you get your sleeping bag, you tie it

01:09:41.600 on your horse, you, you put your food in your saddlebags, you load this horse up, you climb

01:09:47.080 on and we head up into the mountains for three nights and we just move around and set up camp

01:09:53.380 like that.

01:09:54.160 That to me just sounds like a blast.

01:09:56.220 And we're going to do that with UTVs.

01:09:58.000 We're going to do that with hiking.

01:09:59.780 Um, we're going to have mountain biking, uh, events next year, snowboarding, Costa Rica,

01:10:04.240 like you said, surfing.

01:10:06.580 And it's just an adventure, you know, that's the, that's all I want.

01:10:10.180 I just want to, I want to do things that are exciting.

01:10:14.300 And it was funny.

01:10:15.040 I got a text from my sister, uh, uh, last week and she said, let me see if I can find

01:10:24.280 it.

01:10:24.660 It was actually pretty cool.

01:10:26.920 Um, she said, Hey, are all the events going to be in new harmony at mom and dad's?

01:10:30.700 And I said, no, they're going to be, I have, you know, my property, Ryan, I got 40 acres

01:10:34.240 by Zion.

01:10:34.820 And she said, um, she said, that's awesome.

01:10:41.060 And she said, so proud of you.

01:10:44.340 I know you'll have great success.

01:10:45.640 I said, should be fun.

01:10:47.000 Should be fun.

01:10:47.640 If nothing else, we'll see.

01:10:48.740 Love you.

01:10:49.560 And she put true, but whatever you do, you're all in.

01:10:52.160 And that's admirable.

01:10:53.920 A little emotional, but you know, it's like, go for it, man.

01:10:58.260 Live your adventure.

01:10:58.980 You know, just, just go all in, give her hell.

01:11:04.180 It may not work out, you know?

01:11:05.340 And I think that's the thing that a lot of people don't start because they're, and I,

01:11:08.720 and I, the same way, you know, I think I go home to Jean and I'm like, man, this one's

01:11:13.140 kind of over my head, podcasts and events and trying, you know, running that event last

01:11:20.220 week, as you know, you just got done yesterday is, is exhausting mentally.

01:11:25.120 And I said, I go home to my wife.

01:11:29.020 I'm like, this is intimidating.

01:11:30.260 You know, I know cabinets.

01:11:31.480 I know flooring.

01:11:32.440 I know woodwork.

01:11:34.720 This one's out of my wheelhouse.

01:11:36.920 And what if I fail?

01:11:38.180 You know, people are going to judge me.

01:11:40.500 And it's like, yep, they are.

01:11:43.640 I don't care.

01:11:44.680 You know, if I got to go to Africa with, if I get to go to Africa this year with Ryan

01:11:49.240 and his son and my mom and dad, and it ends after that.

01:11:52.900 Well, that's one more adventure that I got to do because I tried and I'm not going to

01:11:57.720 look at, you know, I have plans and I have expectations, but, um, if something happens

01:12:03.480 in those change, then at least I started, you know, the number one regret we have, it's

01:12:07.440 proven the number one regret on your deathbed is not trying things, living somebody else's

01:12:14.160 version of your life and not doing what you wanted to do.

01:12:18.340 And it's like, if, if we know that, if they've interviewed thousands of people who are dying

01:12:23.500 and that's the words they say, why are you not trying this shit you want to do?

01:12:29.320 Why are you not living your life?

01:12:32.960 You know, it's just unbelievable to me.

01:12:35.940 Like, please, if you listen to nothing else in this podcast, live your life, you know,

01:12:41.960 don't live somebody else's version of it.

01:12:44.020 That is their life, you know, you're giving them you and that's, you, you don't have you

01:12:50.020 to give, you get one life, one chance at this, you know, it's not a video game where you

01:12:55.840 respond and try again, man.

01:12:58.420 It's, you know, and, and I think if people tried to do more adventures and tried to, you

01:13:03.860 know, it doesn't have to be, you know, jumping out of an airplane.

01:13:06.480 It can be, you know, going to the gym or, or, you know, just talking to people more in public

01:13:14.140 and try to make some more friends or whatever you're uncomfortable with, just try to get

01:13:17.580 outside your comfort zone, find mentors and, you know, find your adventure, find your purpose

01:13:24.940 and, and your life will be better for it.

01:13:27.820 Your kids' lives, your wives' lives, you know, your husband's lives, whoever, whoever you

01:13:32.260 are.

01:13:33.640 And, uh, that's what we're trying to facilitate.

01:13:36.080 We're trying to, you know, like I said, it was a huge success.

01:13:38.140 I have like 20 text messages from people saying, I'm buying a bow now.

01:13:42.220 I'm going to buy a gun.

01:13:44.140 You know, I'm going to, you know, I love, I love working with horses.

01:13:47.160 Let me know when your horse event next year.

01:13:48.540 I want to do the four day horse event, you know?

01:13:50.960 Well, Rick, why don't you let the guys know where to find more about it so they know how to

01:13:55.920 connect and learn more about what events there are?

01:13:58.180 Cause I think, I think they'd be really interested in seeing what's available and how they can

01:14:01.520 get signed up.

01:14:02.260 Um, yeah, so it's, you go to m42adventures.com and, uh, everything's on there.

01:14:08.420 You can go look at the events and the experience we're calling them experiences.

01:14:12.140 Uh, there's, there's the Africa hunt this year where we're launching with that.

01:14:15.820 And then we got two events, uh, this fall, two more experiences in, at my parents, uh,

01:14:21.420 cabin and ranch in Utah, um, we're on all social media.

01:14:25.660 So I'm 42 adventures on Facebook.

01:14:27.660 Um, Facebook, I don't even know them all Facebook, Instagram.

01:14:30.720 I think we're on Twitter, TikTok, whatever.

01:14:33.760 Although we have a podcast.

01:14:36.200 Yeah.

01:14:36.760 Yeah.

01:14:37.420 I'm not even on a couple of them, but, uh, we are, uh, the podcast we just launched last

01:14:42.520 week.

01:14:42.820 We've got three episodes up.

01:14:44.100 You were, you were one of them.

01:14:45.240 Um, and then my personal, you know, one life, so live one life dot.

01:14:49.900 So live is my personal Instagram.

01:14:51.580 You're welcome to follow along on my personal journey with this, but, um, yeah, that's how

01:14:57.500 you can reach out.

01:14:58.240 Ryan's going to Africa.

01:15:00.300 You're going to be a headliner in Africa, uh, August, what, 5th to the 11th.

01:15:04.380 That's the, yeah, that's the date.

01:15:05.540 I'll be there.

01:15:06.060 Yeah.

01:15:06.340 Um, we'll sync everything up so you guys know where to go and how to find it all.

01:15:11.620 Rick, I really appreciate you, brother.

01:15:13.220 It's great to have you on the podcast.

01:15:14.720 Obviously we talk a lot more than just this podcast, but guys, if you're interested, I'm

01:15:18.320 telling you what, like Rick knows how to travel.

01:15:20.480 I do know that.

01:15:21.540 And, uh, we know how to put on good events.

01:15:24.120 So if you can make it and want to attend, join us.

01:15:26.400 Cause I think this is an integral part of life and might add a new dimension to what you've

01:15:30.900 been missing in your life.

01:15:31.900 Rick, appreciate you, brother.

01:15:32.760 Thanks for joining me today.

01:15:33.560 Appreciate you, man.

01:15:35.060 Thanks, Ray.

01:15:35.620 Have a good day, man.

01:15:38.400 All right, man.

01:15:39.200 There you go.

01:15:40.160 Mr. Rick trimmer.

01:15:41.040 You can see why I love this guy, why him and I have a good friendship and why he is a mentor

01:15:45.060 of mine, whether he knows it, realizes it or not.

01:15:48.100 Uh, I glean a lot of valuable information from him, both on the personal and professional

01:15:52.680 front.

01:15:53.420 And I love what he's up to.

01:15:54.900 I love his family and I really enjoy spending time with him.

01:15:58.560 So if anything, I hope that's maybe just a brief testimonial of how,

01:16:03.540 how powerful and, and, and successful and great this guy really is.

01:16:07.340 So if you want to connect with Rick, go to his Instagram page, one life dot.

01:16:12.800 So live one life dot.

01:16:14.820 So live again, check out his company.

01:16:17.360 M 42 adventures.com for Africa and the other, uh, experiences that we have coming up this

01:16:22.780 year and next.

01:16:23.500 And if you have any additional questions, as I said earlier, reach out to me on Instagram

01:16:27.520 at Ryan Mickler.

01:16:28.920 My last name is spelled M I C H L E R guys outside of that, take a screenshot, share this with people.

01:16:36.660 I want you to have more passion.

01:16:38.180 I want you to have more enthusiasm.

01:16:39.260 I want you to build a life that you want, that you're excited about, that you desire.

01:16:43.400 It can happen.

01:16:44.780 I don't know where you are in life right now, but wherever you are, I know that life can

01:16:49.100 improve, it can get better and you can build what you desire.

01:16:53.020 So guys keep putting this stuff into practice, keep working, keep taking action.

01:16:57.620 And until we're back tomorrow for our ask me anything, go out there, take action and become

01:17:02.380 the man you are meant to be.

01:17:04.180 Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast.

01:17:09.560 You're ready to take charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be.

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