Order of Man - RICK TRIMMER ｜ Get Out of Your Comfort Zone ｜ Recorded in Africa

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:06.000 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.460 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.

00:00:15.500 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.

00:00:19.740 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:24.680 So what's up, man? This is the coolest place I've ever done a podcast.

00:00:30.760 Yeah, for me, for sure. I'm new to this, so I'm only like a dozen deep, but this is definitely going to be hard to beat.

00:00:36.800 We're sitting in the lodge in South Africa, which we've been here for five days, four or five days now?

00:00:44.640 Yeah, in the lodge, yeah.

00:00:45.780 Yeah, so this has been a really cool adventure.

00:00:48.320 It's been cool. I was excited, you know, Brecken, we were out in the field yesterday,

00:00:52.880 and we were talking about how cool this is, and he says, this is the coolest hunt I've ever done.

00:00:58.200 Yeah, I mean, how could you not, like, being an athlete? I didn't really know what to expect, though.

00:01:02.000 I tried to keep, I was telling him, he's like, well, what about this and what about that?

00:01:05.600 I'm like, I don't know. I didn't ask any questions, because I try to do these types of things,

00:01:09.140 whether it's a hunt or any adventure that we might go on without, I mean, knowing what you need to know,

00:01:14.220 but without a whole lot of expectations, because then I think having those expectations sometimes ruins the experience,

00:01:20.840 because you expect it to be one thing, and then it ends up being something completely different,

00:01:25.120 and maybe doesn't meet those expectations.

00:01:27.380 Absolutely. I think a lot of people do that. They try, and you try to control it,

00:01:31.600 or, like you said, expectations, you have what you think it's going to be, and if it's not,

00:01:36.180 if it's different, it may not be better or worse, but if it's not what you're thinking,

00:01:38.960 you just assume it's worse.

00:01:40.340 Yeah.

00:01:40.800 So I'm the same way. I come into things like this. You got to have the basics, you know, what to pack.

00:01:45.740 Right.

00:01:46.100 You know, safety and stuff like that, but as far as when I get here, it's just, what are we doing?

00:01:51.320 Yeah.

00:01:51.480 Let's, you know, let them, this is their world, and that's one thing that I love about travel.

00:01:55.900 You know, we come here, and it's like, what are we eating? We're eating what they eat, you know,

00:01:59.900 or, you know, we're open, we're open up to their world, and I love that.

00:02:04.320 Well, I think a lot of people have this, well, and I've been this way too, this element of control,

00:02:11.180 where they want to control every little aspect of every little thing, and I found, even just over

00:02:15.740 the past two or three years, letting go of control, not completely where you put yourself in harm's

00:02:21.600 way or you do something dumb, but letting go of control to the point where you can just enjoy it

00:02:26.840 or roll with the punches. I'm still not great at that. I still like things the way I like them,

00:02:30.820 but I am trying to be more aware of just, just let it roll, just see what happens.

00:02:36.320 Yeah, and I think the thing with me with traveling for the last, what, seven, eight years,

00:02:40.720 I've planned everything, you know, I plan with me and Gina, I plan our flights, our VRBOs, you know,

00:02:48.980 I mean, where we're going to go, the route, rental cars, everything, and the thing that's so nice for

00:02:56.200 me about this is they have it all planned. For me to just land, and there's a, there's a guy holding

00:03:02.220 the sign that says my family name. I know, I don't think I've ever had that. I haven't, I haven't, yeah,

00:03:07.280 and I'm like, dude, this is. I always thought that was for rich people when I was a kid, like I'd go

00:03:11.100 to the airports and I always saw people's names. I'm like, I want that someday, but I thought it

00:03:15.560 was reserved for wealthy people or the elite or somebody I was never going to be. Yeah, and so I

00:03:20.640 think that's what has been really special for me and Gina about this is, you know, travel's taken

00:03:26.620 care of, your food's taken care of, and so that's what's been really good for us, bringing kids, you know,

00:03:32.420 bringing all of our boys is, it's just been seamless, you know, and there's been very, not

00:03:38.540 hardly any hiccups at all. Well, we should tell people what, because we kind of jumped ahead a

00:03:43.240 little bit, but we should tell people what this is even, what we're even doing. Yeah. So do you want

00:03:48.120 to, why don't you talk about it? Because you're really the one who put this together, this adventure

00:03:52.060 that we're on. Yeah. Um, over, over a two week period, I'll be here with my son for a week. You're

00:03:58.200 going to be here for two weeks with another group coming in, but tell, tell them like what,

00:04:02.520 what we're experiencing right now. Yeah. So basically, um, again, been traveling for the

00:04:08.300 last seven, eight years and coming to the, coming to the part where my kids are getting old enough

00:04:13.840 where they need to start going to school and having, you know, playing sports and stuff like

00:04:17.000 that. So last fall, you know, I started chatting with you just a little bit that I have this idea for

00:04:22.100 a business and basically the concept is just trying to get people out. I've been traveling

00:04:27.840 for, you know, these years and, and, uh, people envy that, you know, they do. Yeah. They naturally

00:04:34.800 do. Yeah. People want to go out and do the same. Yeah. You want to have freedom and you want to go

00:04:38.040 see the world. That's pretty, pretty, a very common top of the bucket list type deal, but they don't

00:04:44.420 know how to do it. They're just so scared. Well, I know when I first left, when I, when we booked our

00:04:50.140 first trip, it was to, uh, Normandy and I bought a one-way ticket for my, me and my family of four at the

00:04:56.480 time. Why just one way? Cause I didn't, I just knew we were going for two or three years. And

00:05:02.400 you didn't know like how long you were going to go for? No. What? But see, I think that's the kind

00:05:06.860 of thing that people, cause I, that's hard for me to wrap my head around. Yeah. It was hard for me.

00:05:11.420 So why do that? Like, what is it? So I sold my construction business and I was like, I want to go

00:05:16.760 travel and I have enough money for a couple of years for sure. And so I just, uh, and so I just

00:05:26.480 trying to fix the sounds. Yeah. For people that are listening, we're not in like our controlled

00:05:33.100 studio that we normally are. So I think there's a coffee machine or a refrigerator running in the

00:05:38.120 back. Yeah. Probably the ice machine filling up or something. So, and there might be other noises,

00:05:41.820 people coming in and out, but it's a deal. Yeah. We're out in the field. So, um, yeah, yeah. So

00:05:47.840 yeah, when I, when I did that, I, me and Gina just said, Hey, we want to go, we're going to leave for

00:05:52.840 two to three years. And my first stop was Normandy. I just love veterans. You're a veteran. You know,

00:05:59.480 those are, I've always been my heroes. And so I just wanted to go there, you know, and, and pay

00:06:05.580 respect to those people who gave us, you know, fought for our freedom and other countries freedom. So

00:06:09.480 went out and, and again, I had all those, I was nervous. It was all scary. I look back at that

00:06:15.540 time and it's funny because I look back at then seven, eight years ago and who I was. And now it's

00:06:21.420 nothing. It's just, it's just, you know, night and day difference of how I travel now for me to jump on

00:06:27.380 a plane and come to Africa. We packed, I literally packed the morning before we came here. Didn't even

00:06:33.100 start until the morning before we flew out here. Family of five for two weeks. And, and probably a lot of

00:06:39.180 that just has to do with you guys have done it for so long. Yeah. You, you know, there's people

00:06:42.240 living here, they have stores, they have deodorant, they have toothpaste. I think people try to pack

00:06:46.420 everything into their luggage thinking I got to bring all of this. And, you know, if you forget

00:06:52.540 your contact solution or, you know, your underwear. Right. There's a store nine out of 10 times there's

00:06:58.480 a store somewhere. So, um, yeah. So anyway, long story short, I wanted people to experience what I've

00:07:05.880 experienced. And, you know, I, I know people are hesitant and nervous. And so I thought,

00:07:11.160 man, if I can put these together to where it's, it's, it's controlled, almost, you know,

00:07:17.700 almost like a travel agent, right? Really? Like a booking agent, but go into the depth of,

00:07:23.720 you know, experiencing the culture. You know, when somebody books a flight for you, you want to go to

00:07:27.620 Costa Rica, they're like, all right, here's your flight. Here's the cheapest you can get. Here's your

00:07:31.000 hotel, have a good time. So these are experiences that we're going to bring, you know, like I said,

00:07:36.160 we've got 10 people here on this, this week, you're the headliner. Well, explain, explain what

00:07:40.220 we're doing here this week. Cause that's really like, explain what this is. So we're in Africa.

00:07:44.580 Yeah. We're in South Africa. It is a, it's an African experience. I didn't want it to be just a

00:07:49.000 hunt. We have, you know, half the people that bought tickets are non hunters. So we've got photo

00:07:54.420 safari, we've got a helicopter ride. We've got, we're going to go visit an orphanage, you know,

00:07:58.940 order a man donated a bunch of money. Um, so basically this is a hunt. It's, it's central,

00:08:06.020 it's a centered around hunting. Yeah. Right. Cause it's Africa and we're at a hunting lodge,

00:08:10.280 but it's an experience. I want people to come and experience Africa and experience the culture

00:08:15.260 and eat the food. And, and then beyond that, you're the headliner and come spend time with you

00:08:21.040 and listen to your firesides and, and, uh, you know, all the things that you're known for about

00:08:26.520 being a good father and, and, you know, your movement. I think the coolest thing about something

00:08:30.560 like this is it takes out the guesswork. And you said something you were talking about,

00:08:34.700 um, stepping outside of your comfort zone, the fear that people have, like, that's what I've

00:08:39.900 noticed with a lot of the guys that tune into what we're doing is they want to do stuff like this.

00:08:44.040 They'd love to go to South Africa and hunt, or they'd love to go to Costa Rica and surf,

00:08:48.420 or they'd love to go on whatever their dream vacation or trip is. But what do you think keeps

00:08:52.360 people from doing that? I don't, I kind of try to think about it in my own life. Like there's

00:08:57.740 been things that I've been afraid of. Obviously financial restrictions has been an issue in the

00:09:02.820 past. Um, but I, I can't really fathom why anybody outside of maybe some financial or,

00:09:09.700 or time constraints, right? Busy men outside of that, if you want to do something and you have the

00:09:14.820 means to be able to do it, it's wild to me that people will make shit up as an excuse not to go live 0.97

00:09:21.980 their lives. Absolutely. I think everybody, uh, you know, I've read a lot of books on the end of 0.98

00:09:27.400 your life and regrets and things like that. And I, most people think they have more time. I have more

00:09:33.560 time, you know, um, actually Woody's sitting here right in our little makeshift studio and he wasn't

00:09:40.180 going to come, you know, I says, what do you have the money? You're in a financial spot where you can

00:09:44.620 afford this now. Uh, you're a part owner of this company. You should come go. And he says, I just,

00:09:49.580 I'll go next year. And I said, no, I says, no, you're going to come. You're going to come. What

00:09:55.000 if you don't get next year? What if I'm one of those guys that instead of saying, you know,

00:10:01.000 I think I can go next year. It's like, I think I can't, I just flip it. That's interesting.

00:10:06.240 You know, and it's like, I hope I can, but you know, maybe something will happen that makes me,

00:10:10.640 it makes it to where I can. And if I can right now, I'm going to jump. Right. And he did. And I asked

00:10:14.560 him a couple of days ago, you know, I says, how, how's it going? He says, I'm loving it. This is

00:10:17.660 amazing, you know? And so, and he got his first African animal today. Yeah. Yeah. Just got his

00:10:23.260 first animal and something you'll never forget. You'll never remember the money. That's one thing

00:10:26.920 that I've noticed is I've spent a lot of money traveling and I never remember, you know, in the

00:10:31.100 moment you're like, Oh, that was an expensive meal or that was an expensive VRBO. Three years later,

00:10:35.600 I'm like, yeah, you know, the South of France was amazing. Right. I couldn't tell you at all how much

00:10:41.560 it cost me. So that's one thing I've learned. And I try to tell people that's where, you know,

00:10:45.260 I think you should learn from people that are ahead of you. That's how I got into travels. I

00:10:48.980 started calling people saying, how do I do this? You know, and it wasn't quite as popular seven,

00:10:53.660 eight years ago. There wasn't all the travel accounts and stuff that there is now. It's a lot

00:10:57.680 easier. But reach out to somebody that's ahead of you. And I says to Woody, dude, you're not going

00:11:01.960 to regret this. I promise. I promise. And he won't. I know he won't. You know, I haven't even talked

00:11:08.740 to him about that. But once you get out there and you do it, he's going to get to the end of his life

00:11:13.080 and be like, I'm glad I did that Africa trip. I'm glad I went to Alaska. I'm glad I, I guarantee

00:11:17.960 he's not going to say I wish I would have worked more. Right. We know that. And I don't understand

00:11:21.940 why people don't hear it. It's just, I don't get it. I don't know. I think, like you said,

00:11:26.780 I think part of it is that they think they have more time. They think like, like he said, like next

00:11:31.520 year, and I've said that too, next year, next year, next year. What if you don't have it? Um, and then

00:11:36.200 I don't know if it's just fear of, I really, I don't, I don't know. I can't wrap. It's hard

00:11:42.440 for me to wrap my, and I know you're more adventurous than I am, but like getting outside

00:11:46.020 of your comfort zone, maybe it's an ego thing, you know, where people are like, well, I don't

00:11:50.840 want it to fail. I don't want to look bad. I don't want it to go South. I don't want something

00:11:54.340 to go wrong. And some of those are valid. You know, if you're going to a foreign country 1.00

00:11:57.420 with your family, like there's things that can go wrong. There's things that can go wrong

00:12:01.280 if you're driving them to your daughter's dance recital, but now you're talking about

00:12:05.760 going to a whole other country, you know, and then there's always the rumors and the

00:12:10.840 dangers that you see online about, is this country safe? But yeah, I just wish more people

00:12:15.600 would step outside of their comfort zone and just take a few risks calculated, right? You

00:12:20.540 don't have to blow up the bank or, you know, put yourself in harm's way or some compromising

00:12:25.860 position, but yeah, just go experience life. The other cool thing about it is you find

00:12:30.180 out what you, things you love. You know, a mutual friend of ours, Colin Cottrell, he,

00:12:35.900 he took me on my very first hunt. Wayne McIntosh says he took me on his first hunt.

00:12:41.100 You have photos, you have photo proof.

00:12:42.440 I have photo proof that Wayne was a very close second.

00:12:45.740 He was.

00:12:46.240 So we'll give him an honorable mention today if he's listening.

00:12:48.900 Yeah. Cause he's mad about that.

00:12:50.840 He's mad. I know he's mad.

00:12:51.620 Oh yeah.

00:12:52.300 Cause every time I say Colin took me, he gets mad about that.

00:12:55.000 Behind your back, he's like, Colin this, Colin that, you know, he's like, I took him turkey

00:12:59.820 hunting. They're like, I don't know, bro. I don't, I don't.

00:13:02.620 He did take me to turkey hunting. Anyways, between those two, we'll give him both credit.

00:13:06.200 Right.

00:13:07.060 They, they got me into hunting and then here we are eight ish years later, eight and a

00:13:12.500 half, eight, eight, eight and a half years later. And I'm here with my oldest son. He

00:13:17.040 killed a water buck and an impala. I killed a kudu and a wildebeest. Like, and this is not

00:13:25.540 just something I enjoy. This is hunting and now is like ingrained into us as part of our

00:13:30.460 life between the four or five or six hunts that I go on every single year. But you're

00:13:35.360 only going to learn that if you go out and do something different.

00:13:37.960 A hundred percent.

00:13:38.400 But nobody does anything different.

00:13:40.080 Yeah. I think you get in your lane and you just stick with it. And a lot of it is your

00:13:43.520 friends. You know, uh, I have a lot of buddies that I grew up with and I talk about this a lot

00:13:47.740 on my podcast is, you know, I just defaulted to that. If you don't know, you know, any different

00:13:54.880 and they like golf, they like gambling, they like some of the stuff. And I'm like, I don't

00:13:59.120 really like that, but I love them and I do love them. But when I started go signing up,

00:14:04.060 you know, you brought me on my first, you know, I've hunted my whole life, but my first

00:14:08.040 men's hunt.

00:14:09.120 Yeah. Like group type.

00:14:10.540 Group hunt. You know, you called me about Hawaii and, uh, and I had plans to go to Alaska

00:14:15.600 to rearrange my whole schedule, but I knew I literally went to Gina and I says, Hey, we're

00:14:20.160 supposed to fly to Alaska on Friday with our entire family, but I want to change that and

00:14:24.980 go to Hawaii with Ryan, my buddy. And, uh, do you have a problem with that? You know, but

00:14:30.960 I says, Ryan's running around with these cool people and I want to meet them and came out

00:14:37.880 and now look, I'm good friends with Matt.

00:14:40.280 Yeah.

00:14:40.600 Right. Scott Davis. I mean, Brandon Lilly, he was just on my podcast a few days ago.

00:14:45.600 You know, and, and I'm drawn more to that. I love my other friends, but I haven't had

00:14:51.400 with my other friends for a year or two. I haven't. And it's not that I don't love them,

00:14:56.100 but, but this is my, this is my scene. I like this. Those guys would want to golf. I want

00:15:01.480 to hunt.

00:15:02.580 Yeah. I think it's important you think about, and a lot of people aren't with their friendship.

00:15:06.960 A lot of men in particular, like if they look at their friends, it's you, it usually consists

00:15:11.140 of high school buddies, maybe college buddies. It consists of people, coworkers and neighbors

00:15:17.800 and family. And that's it.

00:15:19.480 That's it.

00:15:20.160 Which may or may not be good. I'm not saying that's wrong.

00:15:22.840 Yeah. Just, just analyze it.

00:15:24.060 It's all done by default and it's just proximity. So whoever's closest to me, they're my friend

00:15:28.660 now. It's like, you know, that's good that you can make friends that way. But also is that

00:15:33.180 somebody who should be in your friend circle? And I think you should have, I hate to break it

00:15:38.040 down like this because it sounds pretentious, but you need to have tears. Like this person's

00:15:43.580 my coworker. We can be friendly. We can go out after, after work and grab a drink or go

00:15:48.060 to the game or whatever. Right. This person's my family. So we do family reunions. We do

00:15:52.420 family activities together. And then you might have this other group over here, which is really

00:15:56.480 deliberate and intentional. Like I personally go out of my way to reach out to these guys.

00:16:01.900 I invite them on the things that I'm doing because they can serve me and I know I can serve

00:16:07.240 them. Absolutely. But that requires a lot more diligence and effort than, oh yeah, that's the

00:16:12.140 guy that works in the cubicle next to me. Yeah. I use the, I use this story a lot. So my brother,

00:16:18.500 my older brother, he's six years older than me and growing up, you know, your older brother is your

00:16:22.860 hero. It's just naturally, he's just always ahead of you. He can, you know, do things before you

00:16:29.080 can. He can drive before you can. He can, you know, so you, you look up to him. And so my whole

00:16:34.700 life I'm chasing my older brother around just naturally. And I, we get into, I get into like

00:16:39.300 my mid thirties, like old, you know, older. And I would send him business books and, and

00:16:47.840 all these different types of things. And, uh, one day I called him up and says, Hey man,

00:16:52.340 did you like those books? I've been sending you for a couple of years. And he's like, bro,

00:16:54.860 I don't care about business books. I, I like fantasy. And, um, and we'd go on vacation and he'd

00:17:02.000 want to go do this. I want to go to that. And I just never thought about it. Just like you said,

00:17:06.100 I defaulted that he was my hero. Right. And not that he's not, you know, if he listens to this,

00:17:11.700 whatever. But, um, now I said, I sat there and looked at it and I'm like, do me and my brother

00:17:18.860 have the same beliefs and same. Are you aligned that way? Are we aligned? And we're really not.

00:17:24.900 We have some similar things, but he's not somebody that I would, I could necessarily come and hang out

00:17:30.500 with for two weeks in Africa. You know, we were just a little bit different. And my mom hates

00:17:35.940 that. My mom talks to me about it and she's like, why aren't you hanging out more with your brother?

00:17:40.140 And I'm like, we're not really kindred spirits. And she's like, but he's your brother. And I'm

00:17:44.760 like, that's the problem. Well, and you could do brotherly things together. Exactly. I'm like,

00:17:48.120 we go do this and we go do that and it's all good, but it's, it's just not the same as this person,

00:17:52.800 you know? But I think my mom can't understand it. Well, there's also this weird,

00:17:57.280 I don't know if it's weird, but there's this sense of loyalty that a lot of men have. I mean,

00:18:02.820 it's interesting. Your mom's saying that, right? I mean, that makes sense. She's your mom. So she

00:18:05.540 cares about both of you guys, but a lot of men will just keep hanging out with their buddies,

00:18:09.560 even though they know like, this is not going to be a guy that's going to help me go to the next

00:18:14.040 level. Exactly. But they'll do it because they're like, oh, you know, him and I have been through

00:18:17.960 some hard times when we were juniors in high school. It's like, well, that's fine. Like,

00:18:22.260 and I appreciate that you still care about that person. You still want the best for them. But

00:18:25.940 at some point, like you don't owe anybody anything. Absolutely. And so you can still keep

00:18:31.940 that person as a friend, but maybe think about, and some guys will say, well, what happens if I

00:18:37.180 get these other friends over here? And then I just, what do I just kick these guys at the curb?

00:18:42.440 No, of course not. Like, like I said, you can still go do the family reunion. You can still go get 0.52

00:18:46.860 a drink if you want after the game or after, after the long work day or whatever, but then take time to

00:18:53.820 be deliberate, intentional about who you're spending time with. Absolutely. And hand select

00:18:58.000 the people you're spending time with. Absolutely. Yeah. You look at our, the hunts we go on now

00:19:01.500 together, right? We hunt three or four times a year now together. And we're very selective of who we

00:19:07.260 bring and who's in that circle because you get a guy in there that just doesn't click or, you know,

00:19:12.820 whatever. And it's like, it takes away. Oh, for sure. It distracts. You can feel it instantly.

00:19:17.180 Yeah. You know, and I don't think enough men live that way to where they, if you went and thought,

00:19:24.180 this is my hunting group for a month, you know, do all these people, you know, add to the, add to it

00:19:30.520 or do they take away? You're very selective of that because you don't want to be in Hawaii for

00:19:34.300 two weeks with somebody that is an asshole. And the amount of time and money that you spend. 1.00

00:19:38.440 Yeah. You're like, man, if I'm going to take time away from my family or spend a couple of

00:19:42.180 grand, spend all this money, time, it's gotta be fun. It's gotta be good. Yeah. And I think that

00:19:47.380 if you live that way in your day-to-day lives, it would just be better, you know? So. Yeah. It is,

00:19:53.020 it is interesting that people, that so many men default to that, but I, I don't know why I picked

00:20:00.920 up on that early. Maybe, actually, maybe it had to do with the podcast. Like I saw that I wanted to

00:20:04.560 grow the podcast. And so I had to be really clear about continuing to elevate the caliber of the people

00:20:09.980 that are on my podcast. And then every once in a while, I go back to the people who aren't like

00:20:14.460 you, you know? Yeah. I've been on once. But no, like, and then you have to actually be deliberate,

00:20:21.260 clear, and intentional about what exactly you want, what exactly you're looking for. You know,

00:20:26.540 it's the same thing with like a romantic relationship. There's things that you're

00:20:30.960 attracted to. There's things that you're repulsed by in behaviors and looks and appearance and

00:20:36.920 everything, style. So you're not, as a man, you wouldn't just go on a date with whoever,

00:20:43.000 because it happens to be a woman. And then marry her. Right. Because she was nice. Because, 0.89

00:20:47.820 yeah, because, yeah, she was nice to you on your first date. Exactly. No, you're going to

00:20:50.880 be very selective about who your companion, I would hope. I have a buddy in San Diego,

00:20:56.140 we talked about this the other day, you know, he's been single for 44 years. And he says, man,

00:21:00.780 I'm so glad I'm single. I see all these people going through divorce and what a nightmare.

00:21:04.560 And I says, dude, I'm happy. You know, and he says, well, you're an exception. And I says,

00:21:09.640 yeah, I am. And he says, why do you think you are? And I says, dude, I was engaged.

00:21:13.880 You know, you know, Tiffany. Yeah. Before Gina and called it off because I started looking at it.

00:21:19.460 And I'm like, wait a minute, this could, this is the longterm, hopefully. Right. And this could,

00:21:24.300 this could be a problem. It was one of the hardest things I ever did. But I look back on it and I tell my

00:21:29.260 boys, you know, what you do and who you marry are probably going to be the two most important things you do,

00:21:34.160 you know, cause that's where you're going to spend most of your time. So be very selective.

00:21:38.620 And I think that's the same with friendship, you know? And so, yeah, man, I think that's,

00:21:43.120 that's a, you know, that's a lot what M42 is and what we're building together is trying to get people

00:21:48.380 out experiencing things. And you're going to be pretty, you're going to be similarly like-minded,

00:21:54.040 you know, you're not going to come out to an African safari if you don't think that's going to be

00:21:58.700 something you'd enjoy. Yeah. Right. The time and commitment and everything. Yeah. So you're going to find

00:22:02.400 these people that are, that are like-minded and then you, and then I tell everybody, you meet 10

00:22:06.580 people, you're going to probably not click with nine of them. Yeah. I just went to one of your

00:22:09.700 events in Pine Valley. Todd was there, right? And, and, you know, a few guys I couldn't connect with.

00:22:19.860 Right. Which is fine. Yeah. Which is fine. It's like, I'm not going to force it. It just wasn't

00:22:24.240 natural. And I don't, you know, but a couple of them, I'm like, dude, you're a good person and I'd like

00:22:29.060 to stay in touch and I have. And so, yeah, yeah. Todd. Yeah. It was one of them. I met him there.

00:22:35.620 It's like we said, sometimes you make mistakes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's a perfect

00:22:41.260 example of, you know, put yourself out there and Todd came, I went, we met and now we're in Africa

00:22:49.360 together, you know? And that's what I think is beautiful about this is you can go and do these

00:22:55.340 experiences and, and if you go with the right mindset, like you said, no expectations, but

00:23:00.200 just, I'm going to, I'm going to have fun. Yeah. Then it, you're, it, it has enriched my life

00:23:06.340 tremendously. So I want to thank you for that first invite. Yeah. You know, Sam backed out,

00:23:11.460 right? Couldn't make it. And Sam invited me to Minnesota. Oh, is that how you met Sam? That's

00:23:18.560 how I know. Well, Sam came to one of our events. Okay. Order of Man events. Okay. And we connected,

00:23:23.220 we hit it off. Okay. And Wayne too. Okay. And then he called me, he's like, Hey man, I've

00:23:27.940 got a place in Minnesota. Before Hawaii? Yeah. Before Hawaii. Years before Hawaii. I didn't

00:23:31.720 know that. Okay. And he's like, Hey, I've got a friend, uh, in Minnesota that Matt. That's

00:23:36.300 how you met Matt. Yeah. And so we went out to Minnesota with Sam because he came to one

00:23:40.160 of my events. Yeah. This is how it works. But I also think there's an element of intentionality

00:23:44.260 behind it. Yeah. Uh, and that's what a lot of people don't really. Well, here's one thing

00:23:49.740 I've heard them say to you and people have said to me is I wish I could have what you

00:23:55.920 have. Oh, a hundred percent. Or I wish I could do what you do. It's like, well, you can, I

00:24:00.200 was talking with somebody the other day about new vehicles. Oh, it's somebody in our Facebook

00:24:04.020 group. The guy's like, I've got this older vehicle. It keeps breaking down. I need a truck

00:24:08.700 for work. I think he's in construction of some sort. And he's like, I've got enough to pay

00:24:15.260 cash for it, but also my work requires a lot of capital at once. So I'd like to preserve

00:24:20.780 that capital and maybe lease or, or, or, um, or get a loan. Right. And so what should

00:24:27.680 I do? That was his question. And I, I said, look, it sounds like you're being smart about

00:24:33.180 it. You're being intentional about it. You're not just randomly doing it. You're doing the

00:24:36.900 math thoughts. Like you're thinking about it correctly. The only thing I would say is don't

00:24:41.700 go out and buy the $90,000 truck. Go buy the $30,000 truck. It'll still do all the same

00:24:47.420 thing. You might need to replace it a few years earlier, but you'll preserve your capital and

00:24:52.220 you'll still have a nice truck that'll get the job done. That's the smart play. But some

00:24:56.860 people have, like I said, that $90,000 beautiful truck. They'll drive it around. They'll get sick

00:25:03.660 of it after the luster's worn off. A couple years. Yeah. If that. Take a hit of 50%. Right. And

00:25:09.500 then, and then they'll cry about it. They've got this $900 payment for the next seven years,

00:25:14.780 which they can finance for now, which is wild on a car when the average turnaround is like

00:25:18.960 three or four. Right. And then they'll cry about it. Like, oh, I wish I'd go to Africa. 1.00

00:25:23.080 Well, dude, you're spending 900 a month. Let's say a thousand a month. That's $12,000 in a year.

00:25:28.780 Yeah. You'd spend half that going on an African safari and hunting trip. So you can do that,

00:25:35.360 but you made a wrong decision. Yeah. And that's what most people do. They just make

00:25:39.360 poor decisions. Yeah. They want everybody. Well, I shouldn't say everybody, but most people want

00:25:43.820 that quick fix. They think, you know, like I said with physical, you know, it's like, I want the

00:25:48.740 six pack. And it's like, well, then I know what it takes to have a six pack. I'm just not,

00:25:52.980 I'm not doing it. But to be upset at somebody with a six pack is ridiculous. Right. It's like, 0.98

00:25:58.100 they're doing it, you know? So, and that's what I think is if I want a six pack, I'll go find somebody

00:26:02.920 with a six pack and say, help me. You know? And so that's what I encourage people to do is find a

00:26:07.360 mentor, find a coach, find somebody that's ahead of you in life, you know, that's doing what you

00:26:12.100 want to do. How did you do that? Cause a lot of guys will say like, that's a question I get a lot

00:26:16.720 is like, how do you find a mentor? It's a great question because people are being serious about

00:26:21.420 finding people ahead of them, like you're saying. But a lot of the times they don't feel like they

00:26:25.940 have anything to offer a potential mentor, which is probably true because that person's in the position

00:26:31.300 they're in for a reason. And I mean, my philosophy has always just been, you pay for it. Just pay for

00:26:38.380 coaching. But I know you've had mentors that you haven't paid. I'm paid for anyway. Right. So

00:26:43.800 how did you approach those people and how did you have those conversations? And did you ever feel like

00:26:49.220 maybe not doing that because you felt like you didn't have value to add to their lives?

00:26:54.000 I never, I didn't expect to add any value to their lives. And I never, that never crossed my mind

00:26:58.100 until you said it. I've never thought I'm going to add value to their lives. I just thought,

00:27:02.520 and I think, I think I, I did add value to their lives. I'm sure of it. They wouldn't do it if that

00:27:07.300 weren't the case. Yeah. And I didn't realize it because people, a lot of people who are ahead of

00:27:10.860 you, they want to see you succeed, you know? And so, um, it depends on what you want to be good at,

00:27:17.080 but I just find that person, you know, somebody that knows somebody, you know? So my first one was

00:27:21.700 financial, you know, I didn't care about my fitness or traveling the world or anything like that. I was broke.

00:27:27.520 I lost everything in the recession and I needed money and I knew I had made a lot of mistakes with,

00:27:32.700 I had the $70,000 Dodge with the $900 payment and all the, you know, all the payments. And when I

00:27:40.500 lost everything, uh, wasn't my choice, it was a recession. And I thought I got to change. I can't

00:27:45.820 do this. And so I started asking around and trying to find a person that was financially successful

00:27:52.520 that I could get to. Right. And I'm not going to call up Elon Musk. Right. So I started asking

00:27:58.100 around and my dad was like, Hey, you know, Bill Burke, my old partner is self-made worth hundreds

00:28:03.940 of millions. You should call him and call him a couple of times and answer his phone, send him

00:28:08.840 emails or whatever texts. And finally, one time I said, listen, Bill, I know you're busy because

00:28:13.440 they're hard to get ahold of. Of course you're busy things. They're probably getting hit up all the

00:28:16.960 time. They're getting hit up all the time. And I just said, Hey, listen, I am, I don't know what

00:28:21.000 else to do. Uh, you know, I, this is what I'm looking for. I need somebody to help me. If I

00:28:25.700 could come down to Vegas, buy you lunch, I'll buy the lunch, I'll buy you lunch and give me an hour

00:28:31.480 of your time. I'll prepare some questions. I'll drive to you two hours away. And can I do that? You

00:28:39.200 know, would you mind that? And he finally responded back and says, yeah, you know, you're your dad's son.

00:28:43.700 I love you dad. Yeah. Come on down. Which is fine to use some of that. I didn't care. I didn't care.

00:28:48.460 Yeah. Whatever got me in the door. You're not using or taking advantage of it. You're just

00:28:51.680 leveraging connections. And I remember in the email, I says, I promise you, I will not ask you

00:28:56.020 for money. I says, I'm not here to ask you for a loan or something like that. And when I sat down

00:29:02.600 with him, I says, Hey, you know, thanks for willing to meet with me. And he says, don't trust me for

00:29:07.100 money. Oh, he said that, you know, cause he gets hit up all the time. And I says, I won't, I'm not here for

00:29:11.800 that. I wrote like 30 questions and just started rattling them off. He says, he was cool. He's

00:29:18.000 like, what do you, what do you want to talk about? And I'm like, I actually prepared 30 questions.

00:29:21.320 Which probably impressed him.

00:29:22.880 Yeah. He said, he says, Oh, cool. Awesome. He says, I says, I don't want to waste your time.

00:29:26.340 I have 60 minutes. Can we just get into it? And he's like, let's go. And he says, actually,

00:29:30.160 I'm going to bring in my business partner. Had him sit down. I think his name is Brad or something.

00:29:34.140 He says, Brad, have a seat. Maybe you can help me answer some of these questions. He's a very

00:29:37.060 successful person. And we start, I started asking questions, you know, and, uh, and he was just all

00:29:44.740 ears. And then I took everything he said and I went home and did it. Yeah. That's the key.

00:29:49.920 And that's what people don't realize is I went home and it took me, I remember I was working in my

00:29:55.040 business, not on it was the biggest thing he said. He says, you're an employee. At the time I had a

00:30:00.360 construction company. I was working in the wood mill eight hours a day. And then I'd do my books at night.

00:30:05.360 And he says, are you a wood mill guy? Are you a laborer? Are you a CEO? And I'm like, I don't

00:30:11.080 know. I don't have any money to hire, you know, all the problems, all the excuses. And he says,

00:30:14.400 he was just one of those guys where he says, no, I don't believe in excuses. You know, I'm not one

00:30:19.760 of the victim mentality guys. He says, there's victims whose everything happens to. And he says,

00:30:25.880 I don't believe in that. And so, um, I went home, did it. It took me, uh, 18 months to get out of

00:30:31.980 the wood shop, a year and a half. And it took me, uh, about five years to quote unquote retire.

00:30:39.400 And I never talked to him for five years. They didn't talk to him. Didn't even, I just went to

00:30:43.800 work on his assignments. Right. And I remember about six months into my travel, I was in Southern

00:30:49.260 France and I wrote him an email and I says, Hey Bill, I just wanted to let you know, thank you for

00:30:54.360 meeting with me four and a half years ago. This is what I've done. I've got out of my business.

00:30:58.700 I've grown up from, I've, I've 10 X'd it. I'd actually about 20 X'd it. Um, in, in yearly

00:31:04.440 sales. Anyway, did all the things he had recommended and he sent me an email back and he says, Rick,

00:31:10.260 I could not be more grateful that you took my advice. What a beautiful thing. And.

00:31:17.540 Cause he probably gets people. Wasting his time.

00:31:19.820 That pick his brain all the time. And then they never do.

00:31:22.740 I do now. People, I get it all the time. Sure.

00:31:25.220 They come into my office all the time and I try to be an open book.

00:31:28.520 We've talked about people. We've talked about it.

00:31:30.400 They're like, Hey, what about this? What about you? Tell them. And it's like, I had a guy,

00:31:34.720 I remember years ago when I was doing financial planning, I had been fairly successful towards

00:31:39.320 the end of my financial planning career. And I had a new guy. He just started working with

00:31:44.760 the office before, I guess this was before I went and started my own company. But he's like,

00:31:48.840 Hey man, can I sit down with you? Same thing. And I'm like, yeah, sure. Like you're in my

00:31:52.720 office. I see that you're trying to be, he's like, Hey, can I just ask you a couple of questions?

00:31:57.020 I said, yeah. So we're sitting down and he's like, well, how do you get referrals? And I said,

00:32:01.480 well, this is the language I use, or this is how I ask, or this is how I set it up. And he's like,

00:32:06.020 no, that doesn't work. I tried that. And I kind of, I'm like, okay. So I kind of rolled my eyes and

00:32:11.320 he's like, well, how do you, how do you, um, you know, get, get them to say yes or whatever.

00:32:16.560 And I said, well, here's what I do. I, here's the process. And I go through this and then I go this

00:32:21.100 and then hopefully that leads to business. And he's like, no, no, I've been trying that. That

00:32:24.860 doesn't work. And I remember just saying, look, dude, it works. And he's like, it doesn't, I've

00:32:30.500 tried it. I'm like, then you're not doing it right because it works because I'm doing it and

00:32:35.500 it's working. You came to me for advice. So why? He's like, I just wanted to see if you had any.

00:32:42.300 I said, I do. And I'm giving it to you and you're making up all sorts of reasons why it won't work

00:32:46.660 for you. So I'm done here and good luck. So I left. It's like, there's nothing I can share with

00:32:54.480 you if you're so close-minded about it. But people will say that all the time. I see that with guys

00:32:59.600 that I know in the fitness industry. Um, they'll have clients, you know, they'll say, Hey, I want to have

00:33:03.380 the six pack abs or I want to lose weight or I want to deadlift, you know, 500 pounds. And they'll

00:33:08.340 say, okay, great. Here's the food you need to eat. Here's the times you need to work out. And

00:33:12.260 they'll say, well, I can't work out at that time because, and I can't eat that food because my wife 1.00

00:33:16.200 makes me this for dinner. It's like, you're a grown man. Then you're not committed. And that's fine,

00:33:21.980 but don't pretend that you are and don't waste other people's time telling them that you're committed.

00:33:26.640 If all you're going to do is make some BS about why you can't have it.

00:33:30.980 Yeah. I, I, I think that's the most common thing, you know, is they just don't do it.

00:33:36.160 You know, they just don't, they want, everybody wants the result, but when you tell them how to

00:33:40.800 do it, they can find a million reasons why it doesn't work. And I understand that, you know,

00:33:45.000 it gets hard. I had setbacks. I was discouraged. It wasn't like it all just, it took me four or five

00:33:49.720 years, you know, it wasn't. Which I think in the grand scheme of things is short, but probably while

00:33:54.180 you were going through it didn't feel real short. Yeah. It felt like forever, you know, it felt like

00:33:58.920 you just can't see it's kind of, you know, it's like losing weight. You go on a diet and for 30

00:34:04.280 days you work out and try to eat better and you get on the scale and you're like, I've lost two

00:34:08.140 pounds. Yeah. Have you seen that clip of that little fat kid that's like playing with his belly and he's

00:34:13.840 like talking to his brother. He's like, why do I have a six pack? And his brother's like, what do you

00:34:18.740 mean? He says, well, I did five sit-ups today. And he's like, that's not how it works. Exactly. Yeah.

00:34:23.640 But it's just, it's so funny to me because most of the things that are just common sense,

00:34:32.000 people just, it's like, it's so funny to me how, how, how it isn't. It is, but it's like,

00:34:39.500 it's like you have to work hard to get, you know, follow your dreams. But people don't do it. You

00:34:42.900 have to diet to be skinny and I have to eat right to have a six pack. Why do we always go the wrong

00:34:47.920 way? Why are people always overweight? Why are they always broke? I guess that's what I'm trying to get to.

00:34:51.540 I have an answer to that. And so we were walking around in the field today, right? We were chasing

00:34:56.800 zebras and Blesbach and everything else. So we're walking around in the field today. And as you're

00:35:01.380 walking around in the field, you see paths, right? So you have all this grassland and this bush and

00:35:06.600 everything else. And then you see paths. And out of the hundreds, if not thousands of animals that

00:35:11.980 are out here, there's very clear paths. That's funny. And all of the animals walk those paths. They

00:35:17.260 don't walk everywhere. They follow the other animals that went before them, even days, weeks

00:35:22.040 before. It's the path of least resistance. Like we are hardwired as a species. And I think all animals

00:35:28.440 are. If you strip everything else away, we are hardwired to consume as many calories as possible

00:35:35.520 and expend as few as possible. That ensures our survival. So in modern times where us being eaten by

00:35:44.280 a lion isn't nearly as significant as it may have been a hundred or a thousand years ago,

00:35:49.980 we still have that same mentality. So when you say, hey, you can work hard for 10 years and you

00:35:55.600 can become a millionaire, or you can go down to your local 7-Eleven and buy the lottery ticket

00:36:01.280 that's up to $150 million, that's the path of least resistance. Or I guess it's the perceived path

00:36:09.600 of least resistance.

00:36:10.060 Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's not, you're going to lose your money. You have to work more to buy

00:36:13.560 more to lottery tickets.

00:36:15.000 Yeah. And that, you know, that's one thing that's funny with me is I've got three little

00:36:18.500 boys, right? We're going to do a gender reveal out here. See, I think I've got another boy in 0.90

00:36:22.300 the oven, but we'll see.

00:36:24.220 I don't think so.

00:36:24.640 Don't you? 0.98

00:36:25.040 I'm thinking, I'm thinking I'm going to hit a girl. 1.00

00:36:27.260 I do. 0.61

00:36:27.600 I don't, I just don't know, but.

00:36:28.980 We'll see.

00:36:29.620 That'll be cool. That'll be cool. Either way, I'm excited. But, um, I tell my boys all the time,

00:36:34.800 all the time. I'm like, you guys are good, man. You guys are good. As long as you have

00:36:40.140 the, you know, hard work, discipline, you're grateful. You know, uh, the competition is

00:36:47.420 so sad to me. You know, that's what I think people think is they see people in our positions

00:36:53.000 and every, it's a cliche, right? If I can do what you can, if I can do what you can, it's

00:36:58.560 true.

00:36:59.140 That, well, that's why it's a cliche.

00:37:00.420 Yeah. That's what's so funny about it. It's like, it was, there was some, it wasn't necessarily

00:37:05.160 hard. It was just like, you always say consistency, you know, going to the gym is not difficult.

00:37:11.300 It's not like you come out and you're like every day and you're just can't walk. It's

00:37:16.620 just going every day, you know? And that's what I think I tell my boys. I'm like, if you

00:37:21.180 can do these fundamentals, it's sad to say, but I'm excited for their future. You know,

00:37:27.360 my mom's always like the future is bad. Look at everybody, look at everybody. And I'm

00:37:29.900 like, that's them. That's the competition. My boys are going to be, you know, my dad always

00:37:35.380 says the horse that wins the race wins by a nose, you know? And I think that's such a,

00:37:40.420 uh, a good analogy. You know, I'm not, I do not believe that I am 50 horses ahead of anybody.

00:37:48.500 I believe that I am a foot ahead, but that's what this life looks like. You're a foot ahead

00:37:57.080 of people. You're not, you're, you're not lapping them.

00:37:59.580 Well, there's people that are ahead of me that I'm trying to catch up to.

00:38:02.040 A hundred percent, but they're not lapping you. They're just, they've tweaked their shit, 0.99

00:38:06.660 their habits, their, you know, whatever they're doing just a little bit. And that's what I don't 0.99

00:38:11.020 think people realize is they see our lives and they think, oh, I want to travel the world and,

00:38:15.940 you know, not work. And it's like, you can, and it doesn't take five lifetimes and working

00:38:22.940 a thousand hours a day. And, you know, it's like, you just have to tweak it a little bit,

00:38:27.140 get rid of the big truck, get a little, a second job, save bill. My mentor says,

00:38:32.840 it's not what you make. It's what you spend. Yeah. You know? And the other thing that he told

00:38:38.020 me that I loved was there's two types of people on earth, those who charge interest and those who pay

00:38:41.480 it, be the former. Yeah. You know, there's just little things that there are. It's funny. It's

00:38:47.160 funny that you say like little, I was thinking about it. Cause I've, since we've been out here,

00:38:50.720 I woke up just cause my time's all out of whack. Like we leave here. I see you on Instagram every

00:38:56.660 morning. It's like Ryan's active. I'm active. Todd's active, you know, and it's 3 AM.

00:39:01.040 So I'll come out at like four every day. I've been out here at four in the morning and I'll do like

00:39:05.800 respond to people and stuff on Instagram. I'll send emails. I'll line stuff up with our,

00:39:10.380 with our, some of our brotherhood and things like that, that we're doing. Yeah.

00:39:13.780 And I'm out here for maybe an hour working. Yeah. Where everybody else will probably go on

00:39:20.780 vacation and they'll forget about all their work. They won't do any of their, you're looking over

00:39:25.460 here. We had this talk in Alaska, you know, cause just recently, cause I've never, ever been the type

00:39:31.960 that goes on vacation and just turns it off. Right. I just check in just a little bit, just to make

00:39:36.920 sure. Because that little fire on a Monday, if you catch it Monday night, you put it out.

00:39:43.140 Right. If you don't touch it until Thursday, the house is burned down. So I agree with you. I agree.

00:39:48.160 Just checking in. And it's not hard. It's little, but it's your life. You know, it's your, like in,

00:39:53.200 in this case, it's your business, you know, and people say, oh, you should really check out. It's

00:39:57.160 like, well, I don't have the luxury of doing that. Number one. Number two, I don't even want to do

00:40:02.380 that. Yeah. Like I'm doing something that I love. I don't have to wake up like, oh, I got to talk to

00:40:08.440 people today. I got to respond to people who are interested in the things that I'm saying. Like

00:40:12.880 what a horrible job I have. Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm excited about it. And we are, we are absolutely

00:40:18.360 blessed in that, but I did do the, and I'm sure you did too, were the 10 years of, I remember, I

00:40:24.200 remember walking to the mailbox or my phone ringing after five or before eight in the morning,

00:40:30.460 after 5 PM, sick to my stomach. I remember that just, I remember walking out to the mailbox

00:40:35.680 thinking it's bad news. It's going to be a bill that I can't afford. It's going to be a medical

00:40:40.760 bill that I can't afford. It's going to be, you know, or the phone call is going to be, you know,

00:40:45.120 a client that's mad. I remember that all the time, just being like, and now my phone rings at seven

00:40:50.200 o'clock at night and I'm like, oh, what's that? Yeah. Cause it doesn't ring as much. And it's usually a

00:40:54.320 family member or a friend, you know? Well, you have those boundaries in place. Yeah. But I've

00:40:58.400 changed those, those things. But I think like you said, if you, if what I feel like is if you're

00:41:04.520 grinding, and I think that's what people need to do is if you, if you make it a lifestyle and you

00:41:09.020 grind and you save and you invest, you can take your, you know, the government requested, you know,

00:41:16.160 start working at 18, retire at 65. And you can condense that down from what, what's that? 40 years

00:41:21.920 to 20, 15. Yeah. If you're smart. And the way I look at it is if you buy that big truck or you

00:41:28.720 don't enter your phone on vacation and these, and you, those are setbacks. It may not feel like a

00:41:34.620 lot, but it could be a month or 60 days. Or if you buy a $90,000 car, it could be a two-year setback.

00:41:39.740 Yeah. Or longer. Or longer. You buy a huge house. I have friends that have huge houses that it's like,

00:41:44.800 that's a 30-year setback. It's a 30-year mortgage that you can't afford. So if you limit those

00:41:51.080 and then, and that's what I think is people don't understand is, is, uh, I know we're kind

00:41:56.020 of getting into a lot of financial stuff, but anyway, I'll sum it up, but it's like, yeah,

00:41:59.600 make smart decisions and make, and get passive income. Right. You know, get investments. Like

00:42:04.900 you just said today, you're looking at another rental property, you know, um, and you can start

00:42:09.400 small with, you know. Which if you think about it, that's funny because I rent right now. I know.

00:42:13.760 I own houses and that's what I rent, but I'll buy another house to rent before I buy a house that I'm

00:42:19.540 going to live. And that is smart because then you, the house that you rent, you know, I haven't owned

00:42:24.180 a house since the recession. I had a house for a few years, lost it in the recession. I bought my

00:42:28.620 property, my, my ranch or whatever, just out of passion. But yeah, if you can have eight rental

00:42:36.200 properties and those eight rental properties are paying for the payment on your car, the payment

00:42:40.220 on your rent. You're free. You're free. I don't have, I don't have. If you buy a house, sure.

00:42:45.420 Your roots are, yeah. If you, if you buy a house, you just put roots down and that's the new, you

00:42:50.420 know, Grant Cardone and stuff, you know, it's like, don't buy a house, rent it because now you're lean

00:42:56.300 and mean and you can adjust and, you know, and that's, I rent now, you know, and you've seen my

00:43:00.880 house. It's my wife's parents' house. It's very small. Yeah. It's modest place. Very modest, but I

00:43:06.040 can do whatever I want in the world anytime. I can go into work anytime, you know. I think that's one

00:43:12.040 thing a lot of people don't really consider is that there's sacrifices to be made because we live

00:43:18.060 in this like amazing time in human history where you can have everything. Yeah. I mean, you can't

00:43:25.300 like, think about being here at this place, you know, we got clean water in South Africa, you know,

00:43:31.240 we got clean water. We've got electricity. Swimming pool. We've got a swimming pool outside. We've got the

00:43:36.880 firearms and the ammunition we want. We've got the food that we need. Like there's food sitting on

00:43:41.520 there that'll actually probably go to waste some of that. Right. Yeah. It's like. Yeah. Excess.

00:43:46.600 Yeah. Yeah. And so we live right now where you, you just feel like you can have everything and

00:43:52.540 nobody wants to make any sacrifices. They want both. Yeah. They want the six pack and eat the donut.

00:43:57.320 And the cake. Yep. They want the huge house and the vacations. And it's like, well, maybe there's

00:44:02.660 some people who have achieved that and good for them. That's awesome. But that was one thing that

00:44:07.720 I got a lot from people was they were surprised because I grinded. I worked for seven years,

00:44:13.220 almost every single day for 12 hours a day, you know, for seven years. And when I got enough money

00:44:20.320 and enough investment properties to where I was like, if I'm smart, I don't have to ever work again.

00:44:24.440 And I shouldn't, it's getting better, you know, with my, with my new investments. But, um,

00:44:29.700 people don't realize that, that that was, I lost my train of thought. I don't know where

00:44:36.020 I was going with that. That's something good, but it's gone.

00:44:38.920 It'll come back to you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In an hour. But yeah, I just,

00:44:44.060 I don't know. I guess I was going to ask like if there was a, a mindset, uh, that you have

00:44:51.240 like an all encompassing mindset. Like one thing you said earlier was instead of saying I have

00:44:56.760 next year, I don't have next year to me, that's a mindset. If there was a mindset that you had,

00:45:01.920 that was just kind of all encompassing about how you view life in general, how would you distill that

00:45:07.160 down? Well, we talked about this with Todd, you know, he said he has a word and I love that. You

00:45:12.320 know, he says his, his men's community has a word and they all have a word for the year.

00:45:16.220 And I think mine for life would be gratitude. You know, I just, I just have always,

00:45:21.980 um, thankfully, thankfully I've always just been thankful. Yeah. That's funny. That's funny.

00:45:28.880 A little way to say it, but I really am. I really, I come here and I, I was, you know,

00:45:34.420 lost everything in the recession, pawning TVs, trying to feed my family. And now we're here at

00:45:39.680 this place and it's like, wow, I'm thankful. Yeah. You know, I don't think I'd necessarily deserve

00:45:45.860 this. I earned it, but I'm thankful that it happened and I'm grateful that it happened. And I think

00:45:51.260 as long as you can, you know, we're going to an orphanage, right? Uh, we went and bought

00:45:54.840 a whole ton of supplies. We're going to take them here in a couple of days to these kids. 0.97

00:46:00.080 And I'm, we're, I'm taking my three boys and I'm trying to teach them to be thankful and

00:46:05.600 grateful for, you know, you could have been born them as easy as you were born this, you

00:46:10.100 know, or that, you know, and, and, and so I see all these things where, you know, uh, it

00:46:16.620 just, it just constantly on a daily basis, you know, our, we're out here hunting, right.

00:46:21.980 And we have our, our guides and we have, we have our pHs and we have the trackers, right.

00:46:26.980 And we know the pay scales and stuff. And he's sitting right behind me, you know, and I kept

00:46:31.300 asking him for a drink, you know, and I just always think I want him to know that I notice

00:46:36.580 him, you know, I just, it's like, I'm not better than you. No, I'm not. I don't believe

00:46:42.100 that I will look him in the eye and think I'm not better than you. I'm not because I have

00:46:45.360 more money or, you know, different color skin or whatever, you know, it's like, no,

00:46:49.280 I think he's a human and, and he's beautiful and he's good. He's amazing tracker. And they're

00:46:54.760 so kind, right. Like very generous and kind. Like they just want, they're just there to

00:46:59.320 help. Right. And so I think if you go through life grateful, it can only be good. You know,

00:47:06.420 if you think you deserve something or you think you're better than somebody, it's just, it's,

00:47:11.040 you're just looking at a disappointment, I think eventually somehow. So what would be

00:47:16.760 yours? Oh, mine was, I was thinking about it. Um, and this may have changed over the past

00:47:23.400 several years, but this idea of let's find out like a, let's find out mentality, you know,

00:47:28.520 like, I don't know what, yeah, anything. I love that. Like, I don't know what life's going

00:47:31.760 to hold. I don't know if that's going to work. I don't know if I should do this. I don't know

00:47:35.180 if I'll enjoy that. It's like, let's find out. You just went skydiving. You just went skydiving

00:47:39.720 and I know you were terrified. And I says, yeah, why are you doing it then? And you're

00:47:42.580 like, cause I'm trying new things. Yeah. And did you regret it? No, I'll probably never

00:47:48.300 do it again, but I didn't. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's surreal. It feels like

00:47:53.420 a dream. It's so weird. But that's how I look at life is, you know, I, I, like you said,

00:47:58.720 I weigh the odds and I'm very calculated. I'm like, I love stats. Yeah. And it's like, okay,

00:48:04.460 11 people a year die from skydiving. You know, chances are, it's not going to be me and Zion.

00:48:10.600 I'm glad you didn't tell me that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you think there's millions of jumps.

00:48:14.920 I know. So you go out and you do it and it works out and it's like, man, I can check that off.

00:48:19.740 I just did, you know, something that most people don't dare do. Yeah. And so I encourage people,

00:48:27.920 whatever it is, you know, whether it's an M42 event or an order of man event, you know,

00:48:33.760 sign up, get out of your comfort zone, meet people. Yeah. It's just, it's like, I want to

00:48:40.360 grab them. And I think that's how Bill was, is he wants to say, this is a beautiful life. And that's

00:48:44.320 what I'm telling people. So I think get out there, experience it, you know, whether it's with us,

00:48:48.840 somebody else. Tell the guys how to connect with you and then we'll, uh, so we got more hunting.

00:48:52.920 Yeah. So we're, uh, m42adventures.com, uh, m42adventures on social media and for m42adventures

00:48:59.000 podcast. Um, mine's one life dot so live on Instagram. If you want to follow me personally,

00:49:03.540 um, I've tried to change it to Rick trimmer, but I can't figure that out cause I'm not good at it.

00:49:07.320 But anyway, yeah, I'd love to love to connect with you and yeah, we'll sync it all up. Yeah.

00:49:11.960 Let's go do some more hunting. Let's go brother. Okay.

00:49:18.220 Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast. You're ready to take charge of your life

00:49:22.780 and be more of the man you were meant to be. We invite you to join the order at order of man.com.

Order of Man - August 13, 2024

RICK TRIMMER ｜ Get Out of Your Comfort Zone ｜ Recorded in Africa

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