RICK TRIMMER ｜ Get Out of Your Comfort Zone ｜ Recorded in Africa
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In this episode, I sit down with my good friend and hunting guide, Brecken, to talk about our trip to South Africa. We talk about how we got there, what it's like to be on a hunt, and how to handle the ups and downs of being on the road.
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.
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When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.
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This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.
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At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.
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So what's up, man? This is the coolest place I've ever done a podcast.
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Yeah, for me, for sure. I'm new to this, so I'm only like a dozen deep, but this is definitely going to be hard to beat.
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We're sitting in the lodge in South Africa, which we've been here for five days, four or five days now?
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Yeah, so this has been a really cool adventure.
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It's been cool. I was excited, you know, Brecken, we were out in the field yesterday,
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and we were talking about how cool this is, and he says, this is the coolest hunt I've ever done.
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Yeah, I mean, how could you not, like, being an athlete? I didn't really know what to expect, though.
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I tried to keep, I was telling him, he's like, well, what about this and what about that?
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I'm like, I don't know. I didn't ask any questions, because I try to do these types of things,
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whether it's a hunt or any adventure that we might go on without, I mean, knowing what you need to know,
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but without a whole lot of expectations, because then I think having those expectations sometimes ruins the experience,
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because you expect it to be one thing, and then it ends up being something completely different,
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Absolutely. I think a lot of people do that. They try, and you try to control it,
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or, like you said, expectations, you have what you think it's going to be, and if it's not,
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if it's different, it may not be better or worse, but if it's not what you're thinking,
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So I'm the same way. I come into things like this. You got to have the basics, you know, what to pack.
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You know, safety and stuff like that, but as far as when I get here, it's just, what are we doing?
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Let's, you know, let them, this is their world, and that's one thing that I love about travel.
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You know, we come here, and it's like, what are we eating? We're eating what they eat, you know,
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or, you know, we're open, we're open up to their world, and I love that.
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Well, I think a lot of people have this, well, and I've been this way too, this element of control,
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where they want to control every little aspect of every little thing, and I found, even just over
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the past two or three years, letting go of control, not completely where you put yourself in harm's
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way or you do something dumb, but letting go of control to the point where you can just enjoy it
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or roll with the punches. I'm still not great at that. I still like things the way I like them,
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but I am trying to be more aware of just, just let it roll, just see what happens.
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Yeah, and I think the thing with me with traveling for the last, what, seven, eight years,
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I've planned everything, you know, I plan with me and Gina, I plan our flights, our VRBOs, you know,
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I mean, where we're going to go, the route, rental cars, everything, and the thing that's so nice for
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me about this is they have it all planned. For me to just land, and there's a, there's a guy holding
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the sign that says my family name. I know, I don't think I've ever had that. I haven't, I haven't, yeah,
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and I'm like, dude, this is. I always thought that was for rich people when I was a kid, like I'd go
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to the airports and I always saw people's names. I'm like, I want that someday, but I thought it
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was reserved for wealthy people or the elite or somebody I was never going to be. Yeah, and so I
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think that's what has been really special for me and Gina about this is, you know, travel's taken
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care of, your food's taken care of, and so that's what's been really good for us, bringing kids, you know,
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bringing all of our boys is, it's just been seamless, you know, and there's been very, not
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hardly any hiccups at all. Well, we should tell people what, because we kind of jumped ahead a
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little bit, but we should tell people what this is even, what we're even doing. Yeah. So do you want
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to, why don't you talk about it? Because you're really the one who put this together, this adventure
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that we're on. Yeah. Um, over, over a two week period, I'll be here with my son for a week. You're
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going to be here for two weeks with another group coming in, but tell, tell them like what,
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what we're experiencing right now. Yeah. So basically, um, again, been traveling for the
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last seven, eight years and coming to the, coming to the part where my kids are getting old enough
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where they need to start going to school and having, you know, playing sports and stuff like
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that. So last fall, you know, I started chatting with you just a little bit that I have this idea for
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a business and basically the concept is just trying to get people out. I've been traveling
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for, you know, these years and, and, uh, people envy that, you know, they do. Yeah. They naturally
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do. Yeah. People want to go out and do the same. Yeah. You want to have freedom and you want to go
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see the world. That's pretty, pretty, a very common top of the bucket list type deal, but they don't
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know how to do it. They're just so scared. Well, I know when I first left, when I, when we booked our
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first trip, it was to, uh, Normandy and I bought a one-way ticket for my, me and my family of four at the
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time. Why just one way? Cause I didn't, I just knew we were going for two or three years. And
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you didn't know like how long you were going to go for? No. What? But see, I think that's the kind
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of thing that people, cause I, that's hard for me to wrap my head around. Yeah. It was hard for me.
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So why do that? Like, what is it? So I sold my construction business and I was like, I want to go
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travel and I have enough money for a couple of years for sure. And so I just, uh, and so I just
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trying to fix the sounds. Yeah. For people that are listening, we're not in like our controlled
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studio that we normally are. So I think there's a coffee machine or a refrigerator running in the
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back. Yeah. Probably the ice machine filling up or something. So, and there might be other noises,
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people coming in and out, but it's a deal. Yeah. We're out in the field. So, um, yeah, yeah. So
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yeah, when I, when I did that, I, me and Gina just said, Hey, we want to go, we're going to leave for
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two to three years. And my first stop was Normandy. I just love veterans. You're a veteran. You know,
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those are, I've always been my heroes. And so I just wanted to go there, you know, and, and pay
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respect to those people who gave us, you know, fought for our freedom and other countries freedom. So
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went out and, and again, I had all those, I was nervous. It was all scary. I look back at that
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time and it's funny because I look back at then seven, eight years ago and who I was. And now it's
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nothing. It's just, it's just, you know, night and day difference of how I travel now for me to jump on
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a plane and come to Africa. We packed, I literally packed the morning before we came here. Didn't even
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start until the morning before we flew out here. Family of five for two weeks. And, and probably a lot of
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that just has to do with you guys have done it for so long. Yeah. You, you know, there's people
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living here, they have stores, they have deodorant, they have toothpaste. I think people try to pack
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everything into their luggage thinking I got to bring all of this. And, you know, if you forget
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your contact solution or, you know, your underwear. Right. There's a store nine out of 10 times there's
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a store somewhere. So, um, yeah. So anyway, long story short, I wanted people to experience what I've
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experienced. And, you know, I, I know people are hesitant and nervous. And so I thought,
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man, if I can put these together to where it's, it's, it's controlled, almost, you know,
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almost like a travel agent, right? Really? Like a booking agent, but go into the depth of,
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you know, experiencing the culture. You know, when somebody books a flight for you, you want to go to
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Costa Rica, they're like, all right, here's your flight. Here's the cheapest you can get. Here's your
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hotel, have a good time. So these are experiences that we're going to bring, you know, like I said,
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we've got 10 people here on this, this week, you're the headliner. Well, explain, explain what
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we're doing here this week. Cause that's really like, explain what this is. So we're in Africa.
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Yeah. We're in South Africa. It is a, it's an African experience. I didn't want it to be just a
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hunt. We have, you know, half the people that bought tickets are non hunters. So we've got photo
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safari, we've got a helicopter ride. We've got, we're going to go visit an orphanage, you know,
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order a man donated a bunch of money. Um, so basically this is a hunt. It's, it's central,
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it's a centered around hunting. Yeah. Right. Cause it's Africa and we're at a hunting lodge,
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but it's an experience. I want people to come and experience Africa and experience the culture
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and eat the food. And, and then beyond that, you're the headliner and come spend time with you
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and listen to your firesides and, and, uh, you know, all the things that you're known for about
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being a good father and, and, you know, your movement. I think the coolest thing about something
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like this is it takes out the guesswork. And you said something you were talking about,
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um, stepping outside of your comfort zone, the fear that people have, like, that's what I've
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noticed with a lot of the guys that tune into what we're doing is they want to do stuff like this.
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They'd love to go to South Africa and hunt, or they'd love to go to Costa Rica and surf,
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or they'd love to go on whatever their dream vacation or trip is. But what do you think keeps
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people from doing that? I don't, I kind of try to think about it in my own life. Like there's
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been things that I've been afraid of. Obviously financial restrictions has been an issue in the
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past. Um, but I, I can't really fathom why anybody outside of maybe some financial or,
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or time constraints, right? Busy men outside of that, if you want to do something and you have the
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means to be able to do it, it's wild to me that people will make shit up as an excuse not to go live
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their lives. Absolutely. I think everybody, uh, you know, I've read a lot of books on the end of
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your life and regrets and things like that. And I, most people think they have more time. I have more
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time, you know, um, actually Woody's sitting here right in our little makeshift studio and he wasn't
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going to come, you know, I says, what do you have the money? You're in a financial spot where you can
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afford this now. Uh, you're a part owner of this company. You should come go. And he says, I just,
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I'll go next year. And I said, no, I says, no, you're going to come. You're going to come. What
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if you don't get next year? What if I'm one of those guys that instead of saying, you know,
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I think I can go next year. It's like, I think I can't, I just flip it. That's interesting.
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You know, and it's like, I hope I can, but you know, maybe something will happen that makes me,
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it makes it to where I can. And if I can right now, I'm going to jump. Right. And he did. And I asked
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him a couple of days ago, you know, I says, how, how's it going? He says, I'm loving it. This is
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amazing, you know? And so, and he got his first African animal today. Yeah. Yeah. Just got his
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first animal and something you'll never forget. You'll never remember the money. That's one thing
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that I've noticed is I've spent a lot of money traveling and I never remember, you know, in the
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moment you're like, Oh, that was an expensive meal or that was an expensive VRBO. Three years later,
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I'm like, yeah, you know, the South of France was amazing. Right. I couldn't tell you at all how much
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it cost me. So that's one thing I've learned. And I try to tell people that's where, you know,
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I think you should learn from people that are ahead of you. That's how I got into travels. I
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started calling people saying, how do I do this? You know, and it wasn't quite as popular seven,
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eight years ago. There wasn't all the travel accounts and stuff that there is now. It's a lot
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easier. But reach out to somebody that's ahead of you. And I says to Woody, dude, you're not going
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to regret this. I promise. I promise. And he won't. I know he won't. You know, I haven't even talked
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to him about that. But once you get out there and you do it, he's going to get to the end of his life
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and be like, I'm glad I did that Africa trip. I'm glad I went to Alaska. I'm glad I, I guarantee
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he's not going to say I wish I would have worked more. Right. We know that. And I don't understand
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why people don't hear it. It's just, I don't get it. I don't know. I think, like you said,
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I think part of it is that they think they have more time. They think like, like he said, like next
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year, and I've said that too, next year, next year, next year. What if you don't have it? Um, and then
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I don't know if it's just fear of, I really, I don't, I don't know. I can't wrap. It's hard
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for me to wrap my, and I know you're more adventurous than I am, but like getting outside
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of your comfort zone, maybe it's an ego thing, you know, where people are like, well, I don't
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want it to fail. I don't want to look bad. I don't want it to go South. I don't want something
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to go wrong. And some of those are valid. You know, if you're going to a foreign country
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with your family, like there's things that can go wrong. There's things that can go wrong
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if you're driving them to your daughter's dance recital, but now you're talking about
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going to a whole other country, you know, and then there's always the rumors and the
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dangers that you see online about, is this country safe? But yeah, I just wish more people
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would step outside of their comfort zone and just take a few risks calculated, right? You
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don't have to blow up the bank or, you know, put yourself in harm's way or some compromising
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position, but yeah, just go experience life. The other cool thing about it is you find
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out what you, things you love. You know, a mutual friend of ours, Colin Cottrell, he,
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he took me on my very first hunt. Wayne McIntosh says he took me on his first hunt.
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I have photo proof that Wayne was a very close second.
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So we'll give him an honorable mention today if he's listening.
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Cause every time I say Colin took me, he gets mad about that.
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Behind your back, he's like, Colin this, Colin that, you know, he's like, I took him turkey
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hunting. They're like, I don't know, bro. I don't, I don't.
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He did take me to turkey hunting. Anyways, between those two, we'll give him both credit.
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They, they got me into hunting and then here we are eight ish years later, eight and a
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half, eight, eight, eight and a half years later. And I'm here with my oldest son. He
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killed a water buck and an impala. I killed a kudu and a wildebeest. Like, and this is not
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just something I enjoy. This is hunting and now is like ingrained into us as part of our
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life between the four or five or six hunts that I go on every single year. But you're
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only going to learn that if you go out and do something different.
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Yeah. I think you get in your lane and you just stick with it. And a lot of it is your
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friends. You know, uh, I have a lot of buddies that I grew up with and I talk about this a lot
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on my podcast is, you know, I just defaulted to that. If you don't know, you know, any different
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and they like golf, they like gambling, they like some of the stuff. And I'm like, I don't
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really like that, but I love them and I do love them. But when I started go signing up,
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you know, you brought me on my first, you know, I've hunted my whole life, but my first
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Group hunt. You know, you called me about Hawaii and, uh, and I had plans to go to Alaska
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to rearrange my whole schedule, but I knew I literally went to Gina and I says, Hey, we're
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supposed to fly to Alaska on Friday with our entire family, but I want to change that and
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go to Hawaii with Ryan, my buddy. And, uh, do you have a problem with that? You know, but
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I says, Ryan's running around with these cool people and I want to meet them and came out
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Right. Scott Davis. I mean, Brandon Lilly, he was just on my podcast a few days ago.
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You know, and, and I'm drawn more to that. I love my other friends, but I haven't had
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with my other friends for a year or two. I haven't. And it's not that I don't love them,
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but, but this is my, this is my scene. I like this. Those guys would want to golf. I want
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Yeah. I think it's important you think about, and a lot of people aren't with their friendship.
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A lot of men in particular, like if they look at their friends, it's you, it usually consists
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of high school buddies, maybe college buddies. It consists of people, coworkers and neighbors
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Which may or may not be good. I'm not saying that's wrong.
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It's all done by default and it's just proximity. So whoever's closest to me, they're my friend
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now. It's like, you know, that's good that you can make friends that way. But also is that
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somebody who should be in your friend circle? And I think you should have, I hate to break it
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down like this because it sounds pretentious, but you need to have tears. Like this person's
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my coworker. We can be friendly. We can go out after, after work and grab a drink or go
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to the game or whatever. Right. This person's my family. So we do family reunions. We do
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family activities together. And then you might have this other group over here, which is really
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deliberate and intentional. Like I personally go out of my way to reach out to these guys.
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I invite them on the things that I'm doing because they can serve me and I know I can serve
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them. Absolutely. But that requires a lot more diligence and effort than, oh yeah, that's the
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guy that works in the cubicle next to me. Yeah. I use the, I use this story a lot. So my brother,
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my older brother, he's six years older than me and growing up, you know, your older brother is your
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hero. It's just naturally, he's just always ahead of you. He can, you know, do things before you
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can. He can drive before you can. He can, you know, so you, you look up to him. And so my whole
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life I'm chasing my older brother around just naturally. And I, we get into, I get into like
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my mid thirties, like old, you know, older. And I would send him business books and, and
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all these different types of things. And, uh, one day I called him up and says, Hey man,
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did you like those books? I've been sending you for a couple of years. And he's like, bro,
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I don't care about business books. I, I like fantasy. And, um, and we'd go on vacation and he'd
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want to go do this. I want to go to that. And I just never thought about it. Just like you said,
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I defaulted that he was my hero. Right. And not that he's not, you know, if he listens to this,
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whatever. But, um, now I said, I sat there and looked at it and I'm like, do me and my brother
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have the same beliefs and same. Are you aligned that way? Are we aligned? And we're really not.
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We have some similar things, but he's not somebody that I would, I could necessarily come and hang out
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with for two weeks in Africa. You know, we were just a little bit different. And my mom hates
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that. My mom talks to me about it and she's like, why aren't you hanging out more with your brother?
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And I'm like, we're not really kindred spirits. And she's like, but he's your brother. And I'm
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like, that's the problem. Well, and you could do brotherly things together. Exactly. I'm like,
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we go do this and we go do that and it's all good, but it's, it's just not the same as this person,
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you know? But I think my mom can't understand it. Well, there's also this weird,
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I don't know if it's weird, but there's this sense of loyalty that a lot of men have. I mean,
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it's interesting. Your mom's saying that, right? I mean, that makes sense. She's your mom. So she
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cares about both of you guys, but a lot of men will just keep hanging out with their buddies,
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even though they know like, this is not going to be a guy that's going to help me go to the next
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level. Exactly. But they'll do it because they're like, oh, you know, him and I have been through
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some hard times when we were juniors in high school. It's like, well, that's fine. Like,
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and I appreciate that you still care about that person. You still want the best for them. But
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at some point, like you don't owe anybody anything. Absolutely. And so you can still keep
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that person as a friend, but maybe think about, and some guys will say, well, what happens if I
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get these other friends over here? And then I just, what do I just kick these guys at the curb?
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No, of course not. Like, like I said, you can still go do the family reunion. You can still go get
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a drink if you want after the game or after, after the long work day or whatever, but then take time to
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be deliberate, intentional about who you're spending time with. Absolutely. And hand select
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the people you're spending time with. Absolutely. Yeah. You look at our, the hunts we go on now
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together, right? We hunt three or four times a year now together. And we're very selective of who we
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bring and who's in that circle because you get a guy in there that just doesn't click or, you know,
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whatever. And it's like, it takes away. Oh, for sure. It distracts. You can feel it instantly.
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Yeah. You know, and I don't think enough men live that way to where they, if you went and thought,
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this is my hunting group for a month, you know, do all these people, you know, add to the, add to it
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or do they take away? You're very selective of that because you don't want to be in Hawaii for
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two weeks with somebody that is an asshole. And the amount of time and money that you spend.
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Yeah. You're like, man, if I'm going to take time away from my family or spend a couple of
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grand, spend all this money, time, it's gotta be fun. It's gotta be good. Yeah. And I think that
00:19:47.380
if you live that way in your day-to-day lives, it would just be better, you know? So. Yeah. It is,
00:19:53.020
it is interesting that people, that so many men default to that, but I, I don't know why I picked
00:20:00.920
up on that early. Maybe, actually, maybe it had to do with the podcast. Like I saw that I wanted to
00:20:04.560
grow the podcast. And so I had to be really clear about continuing to elevate the caliber of the people
00:20:09.980
that are on my podcast. And then every once in a while, I go back to the people who aren't like
00:20:14.460
you, you know? Yeah. I've been on once. But no, like, and then you have to actually be deliberate,
00:20:21.260
clear, and intentional about what exactly you want, what exactly you're looking for. You know,
00:20:26.540
it's the same thing with like a romantic relationship. There's things that you're
00:20:30.960
attracted to. There's things that you're repulsed by in behaviors and looks and appearance and
00:20:36.920
everything, style. So you're not, as a man, you wouldn't just go on a date with whoever,
00:20:43.000
because it happens to be a woman. And then marry her. Right. Because she was nice. Because,
00:20:47.820
yeah, because, yeah, she was nice to you on your first date. Exactly. No, you're going to
00:20:50.880
be very selective about who your companion, I would hope. I have a buddy in San Diego,
00:20:56.140
we talked about this the other day, you know, he's been single for 44 years. And he says, man,
00:21:00.780
I'm so glad I'm single. I see all these people going through divorce and what a nightmare.
00:21:04.560
And I says, dude, I'm happy. You know, and he says, well, you're an exception. And I says,
00:21:09.640
yeah, I am. And he says, why do you think you are? And I says, dude, I was engaged.
00:21:13.880
You know, you know, Tiffany. Yeah. Before Gina and called it off because I started looking at it.
00:21:19.460
And I'm like, wait a minute, this could, this is the longterm, hopefully. Right. And this could,
00:21:24.300
this could be a problem. It was one of the hardest things I ever did. But I look back on it and I tell my
00:21:29.260
boys, you know, what you do and who you marry are probably going to be the two most important things you do,
00:21:34.160
you know, cause that's where you're going to spend most of your time. So be very selective.
00:21:38.620
And I think that's the same with friendship, you know? And so, yeah, man, I think that's,
00:21:43.120
that's a, you know, that's a lot what M42 is and what we're building together is trying to get people
00:21:48.380
out experiencing things. And you're going to be pretty, you're going to be similarly like-minded,
00:21:54.040
you know, you're not going to come out to an African safari if you don't think that's going to be
00:21:58.700
something you'd enjoy. Yeah. Right. The time and commitment and everything. Yeah. So you're going to find
00:22:02.400
these people that are, that are like-minded and then you, and then I tell everybody, you meet 10
00:22:06.580
people, you're going to probably not click with nine of them. Yeah. I just went to one of your
00:22:09.700
events in Pine Valley. Todd was there, right? And, and, you know, a few guys I couldn't connect with.
00:22:19.860
Right. Which is fine. Yeah. Which is fine. It's like, I'm not going to force it. It just wasn't
00:22:24.240
natural. And I don't, you know, but a couple of them, I'm like, dude, you're a good person and I'd like
00:22:29.060
to stay in touch and I have. And so, yeah, yeah. Todd. Yeah. It was one of them. I met him there.
00:22:35.620
It's like we said, sometimes you make mistakes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's a perfect
00:22:41.260
example of, you know, put yourself out there and Todd came, I went, we met and now we're in Africa
00:22:49.360
together, you know? And that's what I think is beautiful about this is you can go and do these
00:22:55.340
experiences and, and if you go with the right mindset, like you said, no expectations, but
00:23:00.200
just, I'm going to, I'm going to have fun. Yeah. Then it, you're, it, it has enriched my life
00:23:06.340
tremendously. So I want to thank you for that first invite. Yeah. You know, Sam backed out,
00:23:11.460
right? Couldn't make it. And Sam invited me to Minnesota. Oh, is that how you met Sam? That's
00:23:18.560
how I know. Well, Sam came to one of our events. Okay. Order of Man events. Okay. And we connected,
00:23:23.220
we hit it off. Okay. And Wayne too. Okay. And then he called me, he's like, Hey man, I've
00:23:27.940
got a place in Minnesota. Before Hawaii? Yeah. Before Hawaii. Years before Hawaii. I didn't
00:23:31.720
know that. Okay. And he's like, Hey, I've got a friend, uh, in Minnesota that Matt. That's
00:23:36.300
how you met Matt. Yeah. And so we went out to Minnesota with Sam because he came to one
00:23:40.160
of my events. Yeah. This is how it works. But I also think there's an element of intentionality
00:23:44.260
behind it. Yeah. Uh, and that's what a lot of people don't really. Well, here's one thing
00:23:49.740
I've heard them say to you and people have said to me is I wish I could have what you
00:23:55.920
have. Oh, a hundred percent. Or I wish I could do what you do. It's like, well, you can, I
00:24:00.200
was talking with somebody the other day about new vehicles. Oh, it's somebody in our Facebook
00:24:04.020
group. The guy's like, I've got this older vehicle. It keeps breaking down. I need a truck
00:24:08.700
for work. I think he's in construction of some sort. And he's like, I've got enough to pay
00:24:15.260
cash for it, but also my work requires a lot of capital at once. So I'd like to preserve
00:24:20.780
that capital and maybe lease or, or, or, um, or get a loan. Right. And so what should
00:24:27.680
I do? That was his question. And I, I said, look, it sounds like you're being smart about
00:24:33.180
it. You're being intentional about it. You're not just randomly doing it. You're doing the
00:24:36.900
math thoughts. Like you're thinking about it correctly. The only thing I would say is don't
00:24:41.700
go out and buy the $90,000 truck. Go buy the $30,000 truck. It'll still do all the same
00:24:47.420
thing. You might need to replace it a few years earlier, but you'll preserve your capital and
00:24:52.220
you'll still have a nice truck that'll get the job done. That's the smart play. But some
00:24:56.860
people have, like I said, that $90,000 beautiful truck. They'll drive it around. They'll get sick
00:25:03.660
of it after the luster's worn off. A couple years. Yeah. If that. Take a hit of 50%. Right. And
00:25:09.500
then, and then they'll cry about it. They've got this $900 payment for the next seven years,
00:25:14.780
which they can finance for now, which is wild on a car when the average turnaround is like
00:25:18.960
three or four. Right. And then they'll cry about it. Like, oh, I wish I'd go to Africa.
00:25:23.080
Well, dude, you're spending 900 a month. Let's say a thousand a month. That's $12,000 in a year.
00:25:28.780
Yeah. You'd spend half that going on an African safari and hunting trip. So you can do that,
00:25:35.360
but you made a wrong decision. Yeah. And that's what most people do. They just make
00:25:39.360
poor decisions. Yeah. They want everybody. Well, I shouldn't say everybody, but most people want
00:25:43.820
that quick fix. They think, you know, like I said with physical, you know, it's like, I want the
00:25:48.740
six pack. And it's like, well, then I know what it takes to have a six pack. I'm just not,
00:25:52.980
I'm not doing it. But to be upset at somebody with a six pack is ridiculous. Right. It's like,
00:25:58.100
they're doing it, you know? So, and that's what I think is if I want a six pack, I'll go find somebody
00:26:02.920
with a six pack and say, help me. You know? And so that's what I encourage people to do is find a
00:26:07.360
mentor, find a coach, find somebody that's ahead of you in life, you know, that's doing what you
00:26:12.100
want to do. How did you do that? Cause a lot of guys will say like, that's a question I get a lot
00:26:16.720
is like, how do you find a mentor? It's a great question because people are being serious about
00:26:21.420
finding people ahead of them, like you're saying. But a lot of the times they don't feel like they
00:26:25.940
have anything to offer a potential mentor, which is probably true because that person's in the position
00:26:31.300
they're in for a reason. And I mean, my philosophy has always just been, you pay for it. Just pay for
00:26:38.380
coaching. But I know you've had mentors that you haven't paid. I'm paid for anyway. Right. So
00:26:43.800
how did you approach those people and how did you have those conversations? And did you ever feel like
00:26:49.220
maybe not doing that because you felt like you didn't have value to add to their lives?
00:26:54.000
I never, I didn't expect to add any value to their lives. And I never, that never crossed my mind
00:26:58.100
until you said it. I've never thought I'm going to add value to their lives. I just thought,
00:27:02.520
and I think, I think I, I did add value to their lives. I'm sure of it. They wouldn't do it if that
00:27:07.300
weren't the case. Yeah. And I didn't realize it because people, a lot of people who are ahead of
00:27:10.860
you, they want to see you succeed, you know? And so, um, it depends on what you want to be good at,
00:27:17.080
but I just find that person, you know, somebody that knows somebody, you know? So my first one was
00:27:21.700
financial, you know, I didn't care about my fitness or traveling the world or anything like that. I was broke.
00:27:27.520
I lost everything in the recession and I needed money and I knew I had made a lot of mistakes with,
00:27:32.700
I had the $70,000 Dodge with the $900 payment and all the, you know, all the payments. And when I
00:27:40.500
lost everything, uh, wasn't my choice, it was a recession. And I thought I got to change. I can't
00:27:45.820
do this. And so I started asking around and trying to find a person that was financially successful
00:27:52.520
that I could get to. Right. And I'm not going to call up Elon Musk. Right. So I started asking
00:27:58.100
around and my dad was like, Hey, you know, Bill Burke, my old partner is self-made worth hundreds
00:28:03.940
of millions. You should call him and call him a couple of times and answer his phone, send him
00:28:08.840
emails or whatever texts. And finally, one time I said, listen, Bill, I know you're busy because
00:28:13.440
they're hard to get ahold of. Of course you're busy things. They're probably getting hit up all the
00:28:16.960
time. They're getting hit up all the time. And I just said, Hey, listen, I am, I don't know what
00:28:21.000
else to do. Uh, you know, I, this is what I'm looking for. I need somebody to help me. If I
00:28:25.700
could come down to Vegas, buy you lunch, I'll buy the lunch, I'll buy you lunch and give me an hour
00:28:31.480
of your time. I'll prepare some questions. I'll drive to you two hours away. And can I do that? You
00:28:39.200
know, would you mind that? And he finally responded back and says, yeah, you know, you're your dad's son.
00:28:43.700
I love you dad. Yeah. Come on down. Which is fine to use some of that. I didn't care. I didn't care.
00:28:48.460
Yeah. Whatever got me in the door. You're not using or taking advantage of it. You're just
00:28:51.680
leveraging connections. And I remember in the email, I says, I promise you, I will not ask you
00:28:56.020
for money. I says, I'm not here to ask you for a loan or something like that. And when I sat down
00:29:02.600
with him, I says, Hey, you know, thanks for willing to meet with me. And he says, don't trust me for
00:29:07.100
money. Oh, he said that, you know, cause he gets hit up all the time. And I says, I won't, I'm not here for
00:29:11.800
that. I wrote like 30 questions and just started rattling them off. He says, he was cool. He's
00:29:18.000
like, what do you, what do you want to talk about? And I'm like, I actually prepared 30 questions.
00:29:22.880
Yeah. He said, he says, Oh, cool. Awesome. He says, I says, I don't want to waste your time.
00:29:26.340
I have 60 minutes. Can we just get into it? And he's like, let's go. And he says, actually,
00:29:30.160
I'm going to bring in my business partner. Had him sit down. I think his name is Brad or something.
00:29:34.140
He says, Brad, have a seat. Maybe you can help me answer some of these questions. He's a very
00:29:37.060
successful person. And we start, I started asking questions, you know, and, uh, and he was just all
00:29:44.740
ears. And then I took everything he said and I went home and did it. Yeah. That's the key.
00:29:49.920
And that's what people don't realize is I went home and it took me, I remember I was working in my
00:29:55.040
business, not on it was the biggest thing he said. He says, you're an employee. At the time I had a
00:30:00.360
construction company. I was working in the wood mill eight hours a day. And then I'd do my books at night.
00:30:05.360
And he says, are you a wood mill guy? Are you a laborer? Are you a CEO? And I'm like, I don't
00:30:11.080
know. I don't have any money to hire, you know, all the problems, all the excuses. And he says,
00:30:14.400
he was just one of those guys where he says, no, I don't believe in excuses. You know, I'm not one
00:30:19.760
of the victim mentality guys. He says, there's victims whose everything happens to. And he says,
00:30:25.880
I don't believe in that. And so, um, I went home, did it. It took me, uh, 18 months to get out of
00:30:31.980
the wood shop, a year and a half. And it took me, uh, about five years to quote unquote retire.
00:30:39.400
And I never talked to him for five years. They didn't talk to him. Didn't even, I just went to
00:30:43.800
work on his assignments. Right. And I remember about six months into my travel, I was in Southern
00:30:49.260
France and I wrote him an email and I says, Hey Bill, I just wanted to let you know, thank you for
00:30:54.360
meeting with me four and a half years ago. This is what I've done. I've got out of my business.
00:30:58.700
I've grown up from, I've, I've 10 X'd it. I'd actually about 20 X'd it. Um, in, in yearly
00:31:04.440
sales. Anyway, did all the things he had recommended and he sent me an email back and he says, Rick,
00:31:10.260
I could not be more grateful that you took my advice. What a beautiful thing. And.
00:31:17.540
Cause he probably gets people. Wasting his time.
00:31:19.820
That pick his brain all the time. And then they never do.
00:31:25.220
They come into my office all the time and I try to be an open book.
00:31:28.520
We've talked about people. We've talked about it.
00:31:30.400
They're like, Hey, what about this? What about you? Tell them. And it's like, I had a guy,
00:31:34.720
I remember years ago when I was doing financial planning, I had been fairly successful towards
00:31:39.320
the end of my financial planning career. And I had a new guy. He just started working with
00:31:44.760
the office before, I guess this was before I went and started my own company. But he's like,
00:31:48.840
Hey man, can I sit down with you? Same thing. And I'm like, yeah, sure. Like you're in my
00:31:52.720
office. I see that you're trying to be, he's like, Hey, can I just ask you a couple of questions?
00:31:57.020
I said, yeah. So we're sitting down and he's like, well, how do you get referrals? And I said,
00:32:01.480
well, this is the language I use, or this is how I ask, or this is how I set it up. And he's like,
00:32:06.020
no, that doesn't work. I tried that. And I kind of, I'm like, okay. So I kind of rolled my eyes and
00:32:11.320
he's like, well, how do you, how do you, um, you know, get, get them to say yes or whatever.
00:32:16.560
And I said, well, here's what I do. I, here's the process. And I go through this and then I go this
00:32:21.100
and then hopefully that leads to business. And he's like, no, no, I've been trying that. That
00:32:24.860
doesn't work. And I remember just saying, look, dude, it works. And he's like, it doesn't, I've
00:32:30.500
tried it. I'm like, then you're not doing it right because it works because I'm doing it and
00:32:35.500
it's working. You came to me for advice. So why? He's like, I just wanted to see if you had any.
00:32:42.300
I said, I do. And I'm giving it to you and you're making up all sorts of reasons why it won't work
00:32:46.660
for you. So I'm done here and good luck. So I left. It's like, there's nothing I can share with
00:32:54.480
you if you're so close-minded about it. But people will say that all the time. I see that with guys
00:32:59.600
that I know in the fitness industry. Um, they'll have clients, you know, they'll say, Hey, I want to have
00:33:03.380
the six pack abs or I want to lose weight or I want to deadlift, you know, 500 pounds. And they'll
00:33:08.340
say, okay, great. Here's the food you need to eat. Here's the times you need to work out. And
00:33:12.260
they'll say, well, I can't work out at that time because, and I can't eat that food because my wife
00:33:16.200
makes me this for dinner. It's like, you're a grown man. Then you're not committed. And that's fine,
00:33:21.980
but don't pretend that you are and don't waste other people's time telling them that you're committed.
00:33:26.640
If all you're going to do is make some BS about why you can't have it.
00:33:30.980
Yeah. I, I, I think that's the most common thing, you know, is they just don't do it.
00:33:36.160
You know, they just don't, they want, everybody wants the result, but when you tell them how to
00:33:40.800
do it, they can find a million reasons why it doesn't work. And I understand that, you know,
00:33:45.000
it gets hard. I had setbacks. I was discouraged. It wasn't like it all just, it took me four or five
00:33:49.720
years, you know, it wasn't. Which I think in the grand scheme of things is short, but probably while
00:33:54.180
you were going through it didn't feel real short. Yeah. It felt like forever, you know, it felt like
00:33:58.920
you just can't see it's kind of, you know, it's like losing weight. You go on a diet and for 30
00:34:04.280
days you work out and try to eat better and you get on the scale and you're like, I've lost two
00:34:08.140
pounds. Yeah. Have you seen that clip of that little fat kid that's like playing with his belly and he's
00:34:13.840
like talking to his brother. He's like, why do I have a six pack? And his brother's like, what do you
00:34:18.740
mean? He says, well, I did five sit-ups today. And he's like, that's not how it works. Exactly. Yeah.
00:34:23.640
But it's just, it's so funny to me because most of the things that are just common sense,
00:34:32.000
people just, it's like, it's so funny to me how, how, how it isn't. It is, but it's like,
00:34:39.500
it's like you have to work hard to get, you know, follow your dreams. But people don't do it. You
00:34:42.900
have to diet to be skinny and I have to eat right to have a six pack. Why do we always go the wrong
00:34:47.920
way? Why are people always overweight? Why are they always broke? I guess that's what I'm trying to get to.
00:34:51.540
I have an answer to that. And so we were walking around in the field today, right? We were chasing
00:34:56.800
zebras and Blesbach and everything else. So we're walking around in the field today. And as you're
00:35:01.380
walking around in the field, you see paths, right? So you have all this grassland and this bush and
00:35:06.600
everything else. And then you see paths. And out of the hundreds, if not thousands of animals that
00:35:11.980
are out here, there's very clear paths. That's funny. And all of the animals walk those paths. They
00:35:17.260
don't walk everywhere. They follow the other animals that went before them, even days, weeks
00:35:22.040
before. It's the path of least resistance. Like we are hardwired as a species. And I think all animals
00:35:28.440
are. If you strip everything else away, we are hardwired to consume as many calories as possible
00:35:35.520
and expend as few as possible. That ensures our survival. So in modern times where us being eaten by
00:35:44.280
a lion isn't nearly as significant as it may have been a hundred or a thousand years ago,
00:35:49.980
we still have that same mentality. So when you say, hey, you can work hard for 10 years and you
00:35:55.600
can become a millionaire, or you can go down to your local 7-Eleven and buy the lottery ticket
00:36:01.280
that's up to $150 million, that's the path of least resistance. Or I guess it's the perceived path
00:36:10.060
Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's not, you're going to lose your money. You have to work more to buy
00:36:15.000
Yeah. And that, you know, that's one thing that's funny with me is I've got three little
00:36:18.500
boys, right? We're going to do a gender reveal out here. See, I think I've got another boy in
00:36:25.040
I'm thinking, I'm thinking I'm going to hit a girl.
00:36:29.620
That'll be cool. That'll be cool. Either way, I'm excited. But, um, I tell my boys all the time,
00:36:34.800
all the time. I'm like, you guys are good, man. You guys are good. As long as you have
00:36:40.140
the, you know, hard work, discipline, you're grateful. You know, uh, the competition is
00:36:47.420
so sad to me. You know, that's what I think people think is they see people in our positions
00:36:53.000
and every, it's a cliche, right? If I can do what you can, if I can do what you can, it's
00:37:00.420
Yeah. That's what's so funny about it. It's like, it was, there was some, it wasn't necessarily
00:37:05.160
hard. It was just like, you always say consistency, you know, going to the gym is not difficult.
00:37:11.300
It's not like you come out and you're like every day and you're just can't walk. It's
00:37:16.620
just going every day, you know? And that's what I think I tell my boys. I'm like, if you
00:37:21.180
can do these fundamentals, it's sad to say, but I'm excited for their future. You know,
00:37:27.360
my mom's always like the future is bad. Look at everybody, look at everybody. And I'm
00:37:29.900
like, that's them. That's the competition. My boys are going to be, you know, my dad always
00:37:35.380
says the horse that wins the race wins by a nose, you know? And I think that's such a,
00:37:40.420
uh, a good analogy. You know, I'm not, I do not believe that I am 50 horses ahead of anybody.
00:37:48.500
I believe that I am a foot ahead, but that's what this life looks like. You're a foot ahead
00:37:57.080
of people. You're not, you're, you're not lapping them.
00:37:59.580
Well, there's people that are ahead of me that I'm trying to catch up to.
00:38:02.040
A hundred percent, but they're not lapping you. They're just, they've tweaked their shit,
00:38:06.660
their habits, their, you know, whatever they're doing just a little bit. And that's what I don't
00:38:11.020
think people realize is they see our lives and they think, oh, I want to travel the world and,
00:38:15.940
you know, not work. And it's like, you can, and it doesn't take five lifetimes and working
00:38:22.940
a thousand hours a day. And, you know, it's like, you just have to tweak it a little bit,
00:38:27.140
get rid of the big truck, get a little, a second job, save bill. My mentor says,
00:38:32.840
it's not what you make. It's what you spend. Yeah. You know? And the other thing that he told
00:38:38.020
me that I loved was there's two types of people on earth, those who charge interest and those who pay
00:38:41.480
it, be the former. Yeah. You know, there's just little things that there are. It's funny. It's
00:38:47.160
funny that you say like little, I was thinking about it. Cause I've, since we've been out here,
00:38:50.720
I woke up just cause my time's all out of whack. Like we leave here. I see you on Instagram every
00:38:56.660
morning. It's like Ryan's active. I'm active. Todd's active, you know, and it's 3 AM.
00:39:01.040
So I'll come out at like four every day. I've been out here at four in the morning and I'll do like
00:39:05.800
respond to people and stuff on Instagram. I'll send emails. I'll line stuff up with our,
00:39:10.380
with our, some of our brotherhood and things like that, that we're doing. Yeah.
00:39:13.780
And I'm out here for maybe an hour working. Yeah. Where everybody else will probably go on
00:39:20.780
vacation and they'll forget about all their work. They won't do any of their, you're looking over
00:39:25.460
here. We had this talk in Alaska, you know, cause just recently, cause I've never, ever been the type
00:39:31.960
that goes on vacation and just turns it off. Right. I just check in just a little bit, just to make
00:39:36.920
sure. Because that little fire on a Monday, if you catch it Monday night, you put it out.
00:39:43.140
Right. If you don't touch it until Thursday, the house is burned down. So I agree with you. I agree.
00:39:48.160
Just checking in. And it's not hard. It's little, but it's your life. You know, it's your, like in,
00:39:53.200
in this case, it's your business, you know, and people say, oh, you should really check out. It's
00:39:57.160
like, well, I don't have the luxury of doing that. Number one. Number two, I don't even want to do
00:40:02.380
that. Yeah. Like I'm doing something that I love. I don't have to wake up like, oh, I got to talk to
00:40:08.440
people today. I got to respond to people who are interested in the things that I'm saying. Like
00:40:12.880
what a horrible job I have. Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm excited about it. And we are, we are absolutely
00:40:18.360
blessed in that, but I did do the, and I'm sure you did too, were the 10 years of, I remember, I
00:40:24.200
remember walking to the mailbox or my phone ringing after five or before eight in the morning,
00:40:30.460
after 5 PM, sick to my stomach. I remember that just, I remember walking out to the mailbox
00:40:35.680
thinking it's bad news. It's going to be a bill that I can't afford. It's going to be a medical
00:40:40.760
bill that I can't afford. It's going to be, you know, or the phone call is going to be, you know,
00:40:45.120
a client that's mad. I remember that all the time, just being like, and now my phone rings at seven
00:40:50.200
o'clock at night and I'm like, oh, what's that? Yeah. Cause it doesn't ring as much. And it's usually a
00:40:54.320
family member or a friend, you know? Well, you have those boundaries in place. Yeah. But I've
00:40:58.400
changed those, those things. But I think like you said, if you, if what I feel like is if you're
00:41:04.520
grinding, and I think that's what people need to do is if you, if you make it a lifestyle and you
00:41:09.020
grind and you save and you invest, you can take your, you know, the government requested, you know,
00:41:16.160
start working at 18, retire at 65. And you can condense that down from what, what's that? 40 years
00:41:21.920
to 20, 15. Yeah. If you're smart. And the way I look at it is if you buy that big truck or you
00:41:28.720
don't enter your phone on vacation and these, and you, those are setbacks. It may not feel like a
00:41:34.620
lot, but it could be a month or 60 days. Or if you buy a $90,000 car, it could be a two-year setback.
00:41:39.740
Yeah. Or longer. Or longer. You buy a huge house. I have friends that have huge houses that it's like,
00:41:44.800
that's a 30-year setback. It's a 30-year mortgage that you can't afford. So if you limit those
00:41:51.080
and then, and that's what I think is people don't understand is, is, uh, I know we're kind
00:41:56.020
of getting into a lot of financial stuff, but anyway, I'll sum it up, but it's like, yeah,
00:41:59.600
make smart decisions and make, and get passive income. Right. You know, get investments. Like
00:42:04.900
you just said today, you're looking at another rental property, you know, um, and you can start
00:42:09.400
small with, you know. Which if you think about it, that's funny because I rent right now. I know.
00:42:13.760
I own houses and that's what I rent, but I'll buy another house to rent before I buy a house that I'm
00:42:19.540
going to live. And that is smart because then you, the house that you rent, you know, I haven't owned
00:42:24.180
a house since the recession. I had a house for a few years, lost it in the recession. I bought my
00:42:28.620
property, my, my ranch or whatever, just out of passion. But yeah, if you can have eight rental
00:42:36.200
properties and those eight rental properties are paying for the payment on your car, the payment
00:42:40.220
on your rent. You're free. You're free. I don't have, I don't have. If you buy a house, sure.
00:42:45.420
Your roots are, yeah. If you, if you buy a house, you just put roots down and that's the new, you
00:42:50.420
know, Grant Cardone and stuff, you know, it's like, don't buy a house, rent it because now you're lean
00:42:56.300
and mean and you can adjust and, you know, and that's, I rent now, you know, and you've seen my
00:43:00.880
house. It's my wife's parents' house. It's very small. Yeah. It's modest place. Very modest, but I
00:43:06.040
can do whatever I want in the world anytime. I can go into work anytime, you know. I think that's one
00:43:12.040
thing a lot of people don't really consider is that there's sacrifices to be made because we live
00:43:18.060
in this like amazing time in human history where you can have everything. Yeah. I mean, you can't
00:43:25.300
like, think about being here at this place, you know, we got clean water in South Africa, you know,
00:43:31.240
we got clean water. We've got electricity. Swimming pool. We've got a swimming pool outside. We've got the
00:43:36.880
firearms and the ammunition we want. We've got the food that we need. Like there's food sitting on
00:43:41.520
there that'll actually probably go to waste some of that. Right. Yeah. It's like. Yeah. Excess.
00:43:46.600
Yeah. Yeah. And so we live right now where you, you just feel like you can have everything and
00:43:52.540
nobody wants to make any sacrifices. They want both. Yeah. They want the six pack and eat the donut.
00:43:57.320
And the cake. Yep. They want the huge house and the vacations. And it's like, well, maybe there's
00:44:02.660
some people who have achieved that and good for them. That's awesome. But that was one thing that
00:44:07.720
I got a lot from people was they were surprised because I grinded. I worked for seven years,
00:44:13.220
almost every single day for 12 hours a day, you know, for seven years. And when I got enough money
00:44:20.320
and enough investment properties to where I was like, if I'm smart, I don't have to ever work again.
00:44:24.440
And I shouldn't, it's getting better, you know, with my, with my new investments. But, um,
00:44:29.700
people don't realize that, that that was, I lost my train of thought. I don't know where
00:44:36.020
I was going with that. That's something good, but it's gone.
00:44:38.920
It'll come back to you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In an hour. But yeah, I just,
00:44:44.060
I don't know. I guess I was going to ask like if there was a, a mindset, uh, that you have
00:44:51.240
like an all encompassing mindset. Like one thing you said earlier was instead of saying I have
00:44:56.760
next year, I don't have next year to me, that's a mindset. If there was a mindset that you had,
00:45:01.920
that was just kind of all encompassing about how you view life in general, how would you distill that
00:45:07.160
down? Well, we talked about this with Todd, you know, he said he has a word and I love that. You
00:45:12.320
know, he says his, his men's community has a word and they all have a word for the year.
00:45:16.220
And I think mine for life would be gratitude. You know, I just, I just have always,
00:45:21.980
um, thankfully, thankfully I've always just been thankful. Yeah. That's funny. That's funny.
00:45:28.880
A little way to say it, but I really am. I really, I come here and I, I was, you know,
00:45:34.420
lost everything in the recession, pawning TVs, trying to feed my family. And now we're here at
00:45:39.680
this place and it's like, wow, I'm thankful. Yeah. You know, I don't think I'd necessarily deserve
00:45:45.860
this. I earned it, but I'm thankful that it happened and I'm grateful that it happened. And I think
00:45:51.260
as long as you can, you know, we're going to an orphanage, right? Uh, we went and bought
00:45:54.840
a whole ton of supplies. We're going to take them here in a couple of days to these kids.
00:46:00.080
And I'm, we're, I'm taking my three boys and I'm trying to teach them to be thankful and
00:46:05.600
grateful for, you know, you could have been born them as easy as you were born this, you
00:46:10.100
know, or that, you know, and, and, and so I see all these things where, you know, uh, it
00:46:16.620
just, it just constantly on a daily basis, you know, our, we're out here hunting, right.
00:46:21.980
And we have our, our guides and we have, we have our pHs and we have the trackers, right.
00:46:26.980
And we know the pay scales and stuff. And he's sitting right behind me, you know, and I kept
00:46:31.300
asking him for a drink, you know, and I just always think I want him to know that I notice
00:46:36.580
him, you know, I just, it's like, I'm not better than you. No, I'm not. I don't believe
00:46:42.100
that I will look him in the eye and think I'm not better than you. I'm not because I have
00:46:45.360
more money or, you know, different color skin or whatever, you know, it's like, no,
00:46:49.280
I think he's a human and, and he's beautiful and he's good. He's amazing tracker. And they're
00:46:54.760
so kind, right. Like very generous and kind. Like they just want, they're just there to
00:46:59.320
help. Right. And so I think if you go through life grateful, it can only be good. You know,
00:47:06.420
if you think you deserve something or you think you're better than somebody, it's just, it's,
00:47:11.040
you're just looking at a disappointment, I think eventually somehow. So what would be
00:47:16.760
yours? Oh, mine was, I was thinking about it. Um, and this may have changed over the past
00:47:23.400
several years, but this idea of let's find out like a, let's find out mentality, you know,
00:47:28.520
like, I don't know what, yeah, anything. I love that. Like, I don't know what life's going
00:47:31.760
to hold. I don't know if that's going to work. I don't know if I should do this. I don't know
00:47:35.180
if I'll enjoy that. It's like, let's find out. You just went skydiving. You just went skydiving
00:47:39.720
and I know you were terrified. And I says, yeah, why are you doing it then? And you're
00:47:42.580
like, cause I'm trying new things. Yeah. And did you regret it? No, I'll probably never
00:47:48.300
do it again, but I didn't. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's surreal. It feels like
00:47:53.420
a dream. It's so weird. But that's how I look at life is, you know, I, I, like you said,
00:47:58.720
I weigh the odds and I'm very calculated. I'm like, I love stats. Yeah. And it's like, okay,
00:48:04.460
11 people a year die from skydiving. You know, chances are, it's not going to be me and Zion.
00:48:10.600
I'm glad you didn't tell me that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you think there's millions of jumps.
00:48:14.920
I know. So you go out and you do it and it works out and it's like, man, I can check that off.
00:48:19.740
I just did, you know, something that most people don't dare do. Yeah. And so I encourage people,
00:48:27.920
whatever it is, you know, whether it's an M42 event or an order of man event, you know,
00:48:33.760
sign up, get out of your comfort zone, meet people. Yeah. It's just, it's like, I want to
00:48:40.360
grab them. And I think that's how Bill was, is he wants to say, this is a beautiful life. And that's
00:48:44.320
what I'm telling people. So I think get out there, experience it, you know, whether it's with us,
00:48:48.840
somebody else. Tell the guys how to connect with you and then we'll, uh, so we got more hunting.
00:48:52.920
Yeah. So we're, uh, m42adventures.com, uh, m42adventures on social media and for m42adventures
00:48:59.000
podcast. Um, mine's one life dot so live on Instagram. If you want to follow me personally,
00:49:03.540
um, I've tried to change it to Rick trimmer, but I can't figure that out cause I'm not good at it.
00:49:07.320
But anyway, yeah, I'd love to love to connect with you and yeah, we'll sync it all up. Yeah.
00:49:11.960
Let's go do some more hunting. Let's go brother. Okay.
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