Order of Man - RICKSON GRACIE ｜ Jiu-Jitsu and a Life in Flow

00:00:00.000 All right, guys, many of you are familiar with my immersion into the world of jujitsu over the past

00:00:04.520 two years or so, but it's become such a crucial part of my life that I look for every single

00:00:09.580 opportunity to learn more about the practice and actually train. So with that said, I'm joined

00:00:15.120 today by one of the greatest ever to train jujitsu and mixed martial arts. His name is

00:00:20.740 Hickson Gracie. Today, we talk about his absolutely incredible life as documented in his upcoming book,

00:00:27.620 Breathe, A Life in Flow. We talk about what it's like to be a Gracie, the shifting paradigms of

00:00:33.980 becoming a mature man, developing and living with a personal code of conduct and honor.

00:00:39.920 Also the physical, mental, and spiritual realm of jujitsu and ultimately how jujitsu allows you to

00:00:45.400 live a life in flow. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and

00:00:51.580 boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:57.620 You are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is

00:01:04.220 who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done,

00:01:09.920 you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler.

00:01:14.560 I am the host and the founder of the Order of Man podcast and movement. I want to welcome you here,

00:01:19.880 whether you've been with us for years or just joining and tuning into the podcast and the

00:01:24.040 movement to reclaim and restore masculinity. This is a great one to start on because my conversation

00:01:29.760 with Hickson is absolutely incredible. He's a fascinating human being. His documentaries and

00:01:37.700 his book are incredible. And there are a ton, a ton of life lessons for ourselves to be extracted

00:01:43.800 from this. So we'll get into that conversation here in just a minute. Before I do want to just

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00:02:34.800 guys, with that said, let me introduce you to Hickson Gracie. He is the son of Helio Gracie,

00:02:39.860 the man who helped develop a Brazilian jujitsu Hickson's a ninth degree red belt in Brazilian

00:02:46.600 jujitsu and a mixed martial artist. He was widely considered to be the best fighter of the Gracie

00:02:52.660 clan. And one of the toughest individuals in the world. He's been training since he was six

00:02:58.040 received his black belt by the time he was 18 and subsequently went on to be undefeated in his

00:03:03.680 professional fighting career. He's also the author of his upcoming book, breathe a life and flow.

00:03:08.740 I mentioned that a minute ago and the subject of the documentary choke and the upcoming Netflix

00:03:14.640 documentary called dead or alive. Needless to say, this man knows as much about jujitsu,

00:03:21.040 if not more than any other man on the planet. And I am honored to have him here today.

00:03:28.860 Hickson great to have you on the podcast. Thanks for joining me today.

00:03:31.700 Thank you, Ryan. My pleasure.

00:03:33.320 Yeah. I got a copy of your book, the advanced copy. I'm honored to get a copy of it. And, uh,

00:03:38.020 I followed your journey, but pretty inspired and, um, uh, entertained as well. If I can say that

00:03:44.800 about your book, because man, the stories that you tell in here and everything that you share

00:03:48.500 is an absolutely incredible journey. I think the guys are really going to enjoy hearing from you

00:03:51.720 today. I hope so. Yes. Because that's, that's, that's what it is. That's my life.

00:03:57.060 Yeah. Yeah. I'm really curious. One thing that stood out to me, I don't know whether you know or not,

00:04:02.140 but I've been on my own jujitsu path over the past, I've been going hard for about two and a half

00:04:06.440 years now. Uh, and one thing that really stood out to me is your take in that, uh, jujitsu is not

00:04:13.360 so much physical as it is mental. Can you talk with me about that? Of course. Uh, in the art and

00:04:22.300 the martial arts aspect of it, uh, jujitsu become the, the idea to improve yourself with the elements,

00:04:32.600 with the tools, the warrior tools to become a better, sharper warrior. And in that kind of

00:04:40.720 arsenal, we have the physical attributes, the training, the practice, the ability, the injuries,

00:04:48.000 the, everything goes with the practice of the, uh, high performance sport, but also we have the

00:04:54.900 tools, the emotional tools, the spiritual tools, which if you don't have connection with them,

00:05:01.280 you become very shallow in terms of, of understanding and performing properly. The way I've been raised

00:05:11.100 in my growing process in martial arts was to, to become an expert in jujitsu,

00:05:17.980 and with that expertise dealing with any fighter, any size, any rule, anytime. So it's not like

00:05:28.520 preparing yourself for a middleweight, uh, division with somebody you, you be watching tapes and it's

00:05:35.860 something much more mysterious and much more unpredictable and much more, uh, emotional because

00:05:43.640 you don't know if somebody is going to knock your door to fight in a garage or so was an open

00:05:49.040 challenge was for me, it was a very serious matter of representing the family a hundred percent.

00:05:54.740 So with this being said, being tough, being, have the heart, have the physicality, have the

00:06:02.780 competitiveness, this is good, but it's not enough. We have to fulfill also the, the spiritual strength,

00:06:10.680 the, the mental strength to act, to have a, a complete package in order for you to, to deal in, to deal with the

00:06:19.160 unpredictable. And for example, uh, patience is something is a very important thing for the, for the, for war,

00:06:29.500 for a warfare situation. I'm not saying about a five minutes round, but if there's no limits,

00:06:36.220 sometimes you have to bet, get patience to cook the guy in slow burn until you'll be able to win the guy

00:06:42.200 because he's 80 pounds, 60 pounds, sometimes heavier than you. So be patient, be emotional control.

00:06:49.100 Breathing is such a very important tool for you to know how to deal, uh, and control your emotions. You know,

00:06:56.400 visualization is another tool, which if you're not visualizing and planning a good strategy in your mind,

00:07:05.440 sometimes you, you, you don't have the, you, you, by visualization, you're creating an extra experience.

00:07:12.340 You become, uh, uh, experimenting, winning in a 10 second fight, winning in a two minutes fight,

00:07:20.220 winning in a three hour long fight. And if you keep your mindset, visualization, situations where you

00:07:26.600 can get punched, you get knocked down, but you still kind of putting guy fading away, putting the guard.

00:07:31.480 So you have to visualize the worst moments, the worst situations in order for you to cope

00:07:36.500 with the unpredictable. So hope, hope is a very important element in order for you to, to cope

00:07:43.780 with the daily warfare situations. So you have to believe in yourself and hope sometimes gives you

00:07:51.220 some kind of belief, which transcends your desire, transcends your possibilities, more like in God's

00:07:57.100 hands. But if you don't know how to deliver this to God and believe you're going to have an extra

00:08:02.920 energy, an extra power, uh, you can go over your limits. All those are kind of mental, spiritual

00:08:09.420 elements, which had to be part of the endeavor, you know, the part of the, the venture. And for me,

00:08:18.060 I was born and raised in a situation where it was much more than just a weight division or a,

00:08:23.960 or, uh, or a sport with rules. Right. So for me, my growing process was preparing to fight the devil,

00:08:32.480 you know, preparing to, to do what is never been done. And, and, and you have to have the spiritual

00:08:39.120 elements, the physical elements, the mental elements, controlling emotions. So I started to

00:08:44.260 adding breathing cold, uh, ice, ice cold breaths and, and meditation and, uh, biogynastica and

00:08:53.820 whatever I can do to, to, you know, big wave surfing, whatever I can do to be calm under pressure

00:08:59.940 and to handle nature and connect myself with the elements and a, and a mental and a spiritual

00:09:06.520 and a physical way I will do because it's a way for me to, to, to embrace the whole package in terms

00:09:14.480 of nothing left behind. I, I put attention in my, in my mental and my spiritual and my physical levels

00:09:22.480 because sometimes you need the three, sometimes you have more one than others. Sometimes you injure,

00:09:28.180 but you still have the belief. So it's still balance. Right. Right. You know, I'm interested in the,

00:09:33.600 in the term you initially used, you talked about the term warrior. And I believe just in following

00:09:39.180 you and knowing what you're about, you are a warrior in the literal sense, but most men today

00:09:45.480 are never going to find themselves in a combative environment. So how does that warrior archetype or

00:09:53.660 warrior mindset translate over into a guy trying to improve his career or develop in his relationship

00:10:01.440 and take it off the mats to the rest of his life? That's a great question because that's exactly my,

00:10:09.020 my mission today is to become, is to evolve the element of martial arts to the point where

00:10:16.880 you have to win a fight without a fight. I have to win without a fight. So in order for you to do

00:10:24.900 that, because if you're thinking about happiness, we all want to be happy. Doesn't matter if you're a

00:10:31.840 fighter, if you're a lover, if you're a musician, artist, a professor, whatever you do, you, you,

00:10:40.640 you put yourself in a situation where you, you, you moving towards happiness because you don't want

00:10:46.920 to be stagnant in a position where, Oh, I don't know. I don't want to know what I want. Or, you know,

00:10:53.020 you don't want to be just without, you want to be with, so with desire, with happiness, with love,

00:11:00.960 with inspiration, with motivation. And once you achieve something, no matter if you want to get

00:11:07.960 a girlfriend or if you want to buy a car or if you want to buy, or if you want to get a new job,

00:11:13.080 or if you want to just buy a house. So whatever venture you are in or whatever challenge that's

00:11:19.760 not an opponent, but a challenge, who has to be dealing with the peaceful, the spiritual warrior

00:11:28.780 mentality. Because the warrior is there to win battles. If you, if you, if you get a girlfriend,

00:11:37.780 somehow you win strategically, mentally, emotionally, you, you get what you want. So you won.

00:11:44.740 So that's the reason for you to get happy. That's the reason for you to, to become in a progressive

00:11:51.020 way. But that's girlfriend you get today. It's not going to give you the same happiness 10 years

00:11:56.980 from now, because now she's a wife or you have kids. So your goal now will be putting the kids

00:12:02.980 in college or get a new house. Or so in order for you to become happy again, and consistently happy in

00:12:11.660 your life, you have to follow steps to one day get a girlfriend, the other day get married, the other

00:12:17.100 day get house, the other day get kids in college. So it's always a new step, a new venture, a new

00:12:23.340 challenge. And in what we have in common based on no matter if you want to get a diploma, or no matter if

00:12:30.640 you want to beat somebody on the MMA, UFC, is the challenge that is, we have a kind of opponent, we have the

00:12:39.320 strategies to be made, we have the emotional control to be important for you. Because sometimes you, your

00:12:46.920 enemy today, coming through the email, you have can have the worst, you can have the worst message

00:12:53.560 in email, and that email will disturb your emotions, will make you cry, will make you get desperate,

00:12:58.920 even be thinking and suicidal. So know how to breathe when you receive a message, know how to

00:13:07.480 breathe when you fight. It's so important, no matter if it's just going to cover the emotional

00:13:12.600 aspect of you, or if you're going to give you some kind of hyperventilation for you to keep going one

00:13:17.560 or two more rounds. But breathing is essential for you to be in control of your heart and your brain.

00:13:27.000 Because the brain and the heart are the only organs in the body who are able to give and receive

00:13:34.120 information. Sometimes you're directly affected in your heart. So you don't know what it is, but you

00:13:40.600 feel emotionally. Right, more intuitive, right? Yes, sometimes you're emotionally involved in your

00:13:47.400 mind, stress, confusion. So, and if you know how to breathe, it's the fastest way for you to achieve

00:13:57.720 immediately control over your thinking, to calm your mind down. Same thing with your heart, you have to

00:14:06.600 have over breathing, a deep control of your heartbeats. And since I started learning breathing

00:14:13.160 with 16 years old, because I was already an athlete, I was already a professional. I'm not a

00:14:19.240 professor, but I was going to become a professor. So I was training like a crazy surfing. I was always

00:14:26.520 being an athlete. And after I started learning biogenastica and how to breathe properly, my performance

00:14:34.360 increased in 40%. Solid 40% of better control, better recovery, better understanding of the

00:14:42.360 action when I'm in the confusion because it's more oxygen in the brain and give me more capabilities

00:14:49.480 to be calm, to analyze, to make. So I get a solid 40% improvement in my performance from breathing.

00:14:58.280 And today, my performance reduced to 10% of what I was, but I still have 40% of breathing. So

00:15:06.200 breathing today is my biggest ally to keep me calm, to keep me connected with things that are important

00:15:12.840 for me, to be able to regulate my heart, to be able to regulate my stress, because I still have

00:15:19.240 stresses, different ones. But so through the elements of a perfect practice, a perfect jiu-jitsu,

00:15:28.200 practice, we will extend your practice, not only for you to be able to do a sweep or do an arm lock

00:15:34.680 or a triangle properly, but also to understand yourself when you're under stress and start to

00:15:39.960 breathe properly, to make this stress not as uncomfortable. You start learning how to be

00:15:47.080 comfortable in hell. And based on that, you become more in control of your life,

00:15:55.400 no matter if it's to sign a contract to buy a new car, no matter if it's dealing with a

00:16:02.040 relationship problem. So whatever it is, jiu-jitsu transcends the math because it gives you

00:16:08.920 the capacity to check your gauges with much more proper idea. How nervous you are, how emotionally

00:16:15.560 disturbed you are, how tired you are, how... So you start to perceive things in a much

00:16:21.320 complete idea, you know, and you start to become calmer under pressure. You start to become sharper

00:16:27.800 under confusion. You start to become... So those elements, those are completely

00:16:35.640 transcending the math area and take it to... You immediately take this to life and a much more,

00:16:42.040 you know, it's just comfortable. Is this why you make the distinction between

00:16:49.480 opponent and challenge? And when you had other men that you were fighting or challenging you,

00:16:55.240 did you view them as an opponent, as an adversary, or did you view it as a challenge? And did the way

00:17:01.400 that you view it change your response to it? Yes. If I see the thing as an opponent,

00:17:08.920 I take for the ego and the personal matter. It's more like an egocentric thing. You know,

00:17:15.320 I don't see the guy who's trying to fight me being personal against me. He's trying to defeat my style.

00:17:21.240 He tried to defeat my abilities. So I try to become frozen eyes in terms of being personal and start to

00:17:30.680 talk bad things about the guy or start to see personality problems or why he deserves to get beat or

00:17:37.400 why he did. So I don't analyze that. I try to become more effective in the way I perform based on my

00:17:45.720 preparation against the opponent and, or my preparation against the challenge, whatever you, and not

00:17:53.400 feeling personal or not feeling emotionally disturbed based on things he said. Or I try to, because this is

00:17:59.160 not going to win the fight. This, this is the part, we just going to be, uh, a nightmare in my brain,

00:18:06.280 a little devil telling things what suppose. So this, I try to be away from me and I try to just keep the

00:18:14.760 thing in a very, uh, a very direct way based on how I have to respond to that kind of challenge.

00:18:27.160 Right. And I have to be effective. I have to be effective and mean because sometimes you have

00:18:32.600 a challenge where you suppose just to win the medal. So you want to be gentle. You want to make

00:18:37.720 the guy quit and not get hurt. Sometimes the guy challenge you because you've coming from a family

00:18:43.000 and he disrespect you and he say he cannot believe in your art and he's better. So rationally,

00:18:49.480 he deserve a punishment instead of being just a defeat. So this guy will be able to hurt him because

00:18:56.920 he deserves to get hurt. Not exactly because, uh, my mission is to hurt him. It's just because he was,

00:19:03.320 you know, disrespectful or, or, or somehow negative in a way. So it's not easy for me to just choke him

00:19:12.120 out, put him to sleep. And then when he wake up, he still tell the same things again and again,

00:19:17.320 because he didn't show hurt. So for this specifically opponent, I will put him to sleep

00:19:24.120 or either before or after I going to punch him in the nose to break his face, to just show him,

00:19:28.440 to show everything, show how punished he was based on what he did.

00:19:33.000 So, so you say that you say that so, so calmly, I don't think most people listening would have that

00:19:40.480 same mentality and you say it so calmly. And so matter of factly, I, your family is one of the

00:19:47.020 only families that I know that, uh, care so deeply about your honor and the family name. Where,

00:19:55.080 where does that come from? And that, and that innate desire to have people respect your name

00:20:02.880 and the art itself. This, this is goes beyond my, my, my lifetime, you know, because when I born,

00:20:09.520 I bought an environment where even before I recognize myself, people already recognize me

00:20:15.440 as a future champion, as a, as a part of the families, one fighter. So maybe the first before

00:20:23.720 diapers, I get a gi. So the situation was like very natural for me in terms of who I am. When I start

00:20:32.520 to understand who I am, I was already using a gear as already mentioned as a Gracie more than Rickson,

00:20:38.840 you know, I was a member of the family. I was a future champion, people putting hopes and expectations

00:20:44.760 on my ability. So I born in an environment where was not about analyzing all this. It's just to

00:20:52.440 represent what I become. So I was just naturally involved. And I start to compete with six years old

00:21:00.040 and a bracket with seven years old. So my first tournament I lost. And my, and my father, very smart

00:21:10.680 man. First, he asked me if I want to go and compete and said, yes, that I want to compete. Yes, yes, yes.

00:21:17.320 Okay, great. And I don't have seven, six year old bracket. It's just started seven. So he said to me,

00:21:25.160 okay, you want to compete? Great. If you win the tournament, I give you a gift. If you lose the

00:21:31.640 tournament, I give you two gifts. With this, he said to me and in between lines, if I lose, he's not

00:21:39.160 going to get upset because I could not understand why he's going to give me two gifts. If I lose,

00:21:44.040 I just know he will be happier with me if I lose somehow. It's not going to be bad for me if I lose.

00:21:50.600 So of course, I'm not going in the tournament thinking about losing, but I have my father's

00:21:56.440 backup saying, if you lose, it's okay. So, and I lost and I don't even remember if he gave me two

00:22:04.440 gifts or not. But the point was, my dad was not upset with me. Sometimes a father who has very much

00:22:12.520 love for the surf or for the, the, the, the, the soccer or for the jiu jitsu. And then he put this

00:22:19.080 and he see his kids with the ability to become good. But the kid missed a goal, missed score

00:22:25.320 something and said, why are you missing? Oh man, you should do. So the kid feels like for,

00:22:29.480 I disappoint my father. My father is sad with me because I didn't score. I didn't. So this kind of

00:22:35.560 would inspire me, charging or asking for the kid, for him to perform well. Sometimes it's

00:22:42.120 a disappointing thing because the kid could not fulfill the father's expectation. And that's

00:22:47.160 becomes a sad thing for the kid. Oh, I don't want to play soccer anymore because my, my dad gets

00:22:53.080 sad if I don't. So those things never happened with me. For me, it was just winning is great. Losing

00:22:59.480 doesn't matter. It's great too. So let's keep going because you are grace. You are. So this was

00:23:04.680 inspired me to keep going. And from that loss from six years old until 14 years old, I was a winning

00:23:12.280 straight. And then I lost one more time on 14 years old. And then as another winning straight up today.

00:23:21.160 That's, that's quite the winning streak. Yes. It's a, it's a very, I mean, but I just counting my,

00:23:27.000 my victories after 18 years old where I get my black belt. Do you feel like I was going to ask,

00:23:34.440 it sounds like your father did a great job in managing the expectations of you and the family

00:23:40.440 name. Do you feel like there was any external pressure that caused you to perform inferior?

00:23:48.440 And if that was the case, how did you drown that out and overcome that?

00:23:51.880 Yeah. Depending how you feel supported, that external pressure becomes valuable because

00:24:01.480 like I did with my son crown or like I was feeling the kids who want to compete against me,

00:24:07.640 they want to compete against Elias Gracie's son. Right. So what's, what's bad for me because I

00:24:13.800 expect him to win, but what's bad for them too, because they know they want to fight somebody who's

00:24:19.080 bringing a tradition on her back. So even their teachers, they're going to say, oh,

00:24:23.320 you're going to fight Hickson Gracie, but that's okay. You're going to win. So whatever it is,

00:24:27.080 I, I, I carry a name, which helped me in a way, and also put pressure in another way. So it's,

00:24:33.720 it's a balance there of negative and positive elements. And depending how your father handled this

00:24:41.240 with you as a coach, as a father, as a friend, as a supporter, you're going to feel like whatever

00:24:50.200 happened with me, I'm in a mission to achieve for life and different than whatever happened to me

00:24:57.320 can change my way to think, or can maybe, uh, put a turmoil in my ideas because I'm not sure. I'm not

00:25:04.440 sure if I trust my dad. So if things getting in a wrong direction, everything can be jeopardizing my,

00:25:11.240 my mission. But my father was not only a general, he was a friend. He was, uh, you know, so he was a

00:25:19.800 very special guy because different than a tyrant who has his followers based on fear. He was a leader

00:25:28.440 who let have that take people behind him based on love. We love what we are, you know, we respect.

00:25:35.320 We, so my life was eating well and a proper diet. We have a special diet to eat. I go to parties in

00:25:42.920 my friend's house. I don't drink Coca-Cola. I don't take chocolates. I don't take hot dogs. So sometimes

00:25:49.720 I take my own, my own, uh, uh, lunch bag. So it was always, I was always feel like the family was not

00:25:59.560 exactly equal to everybody. We are special. We are eating different. We training different. We

00:26:06.440 preparing ourselves for a different kind of challenge. And, uh, and we expect any kind of rules.

00:26:12.760 We accepting no gi with gi with punches, with elbows, head, butts, no, no mount pieces, no, no cups.

00:26:19.880 So no time. So it's, it's kind of crazy. But when you start to get in this environment,

00:26:27.240 this becomes normal. And, and then you become a different breed of person. You just not exactly

00:26:34.440 thinking like other people, not being scared of other things like other people, not feel like,

00:26:39.960 uh, because somehow you have to accept in a very early age, the possibility to get really serious

00:26:48.520 hurt or really die. And my father was always a spiritual guy. He always believed in reincarnation.

00:26:56.200 He always believed our lives transcends this kind of material life and goes to spiritual and then go

00:27:01.320 back to life. So we're not exactly afraid of dying or afraid to try things which lead you to a possibly

00:27:11.240 death. Accepting death is part of the, the, the, the, I feel like a spiritual law, you know, you, you

00:27:19.960 accept life. Why are you not going to accept death with the same naturality? You know, it's just your

00:27:24.920 ego in between. Oh, I cannot die now. I have things to do. I have money on the bank to spend. So I,

00:27:30.920 now I'm in a position, I cannot put myself at risk. And then I become conformed based on what I have.

00:27:36.920 And I don't want to try anything else because now I have my house. If I divorce, I will lose my house.

00:27:42.520 So I'm going to keep a bad marriage just because I want to keep. So people sometimes make bad decisions

00:27:48.040 based on conformity, based on not putting themselves at risk. And for us, be at risk was part of life.

00:27:56.760 Since I understand myself for, for, for, for a person, you know, and, and, and sometimes fear

00:28:03.720 take you from, from not from live, from dying, but take you from living. If you're, sometimes you're too

00:28:11.000 afraid of, of, of dying. You're not trying anything. So you're not living either. You, you, you're dying

00:28:16.920 alive, you know? So those, those situations make you feel like putting everything in perspective.

00:28:24.760 And for me, it's just worth it. When you put yourself fully connected to the mission,

00:28:32.760 if you just halfway, it's, it's okay. You know, it's, it's good enough. It's just,

00:28:38.280 you know, okay, no matter for me, everything matters a lot. And especially now in that phase of my life,

00:28:45.960 I, because before that, I always, if you imagine a triangle, I always work towards the tip of the

00:28:55.240 triangle, focus on my efficiency, my competitiveness, preparing my students, myself to compete in the

00:29:03.240 highest level. Right now, I change my focus, not only to, not to keep performing and, and excelling in

00:29:11.880 terms of efficiency, because I'm an old guy right now. So I try to just create a more solid base

00:29:19.160 and working on the side, on the basic side of the triangle to increase more people who has

00:29:24.760 no ability to fight, no desire to fight, but they still need a lot to learn in terms of breathing, in

00:29:31.960 terms of visualization, in terms of empowerment, in terms of strategy, in terms of handle stress,

00:29:39.400 in terms of so many emotional, mental and physical, because some part of Jiu Jitsu doesn't,

00:29:48.120 it's not developed for you to learn how to kick ass, but it's devoted to you, for you to feel safe.

00:29:54.840 Hmm. And an average person, if you teach them how to have base, for him to believe people cannot

00:30:03.800 throw him on the ground, how to have deflections for people not hurting him on the punches or else,

00:30:09.400 because defensive aspect is shorter, is more perfect than the offense. You can survive or not,

00:30:16.440 you can survive much easier than can kick ass. Right. Got it. Okay.

00:30:20.920 Okay. If I give you a perfect sense of defense, you may not going to be aggressive, you may not

00:30:27.320 going to be a fighter, but you want to be sure you can survive in an emergency. And that sometimes

00:30:33.480 can provide for you a very nice life, because you're not a fighter, you're just a lawyer, or you're just a

00:30:42.680 doctor. And if you get, if you add yourself as a doctor, this capability to, to feel like, okay,

00:30:49.560 I know if I'm walking on the street and somebody tried to attack me, I have a chance against a knife.

00:30:53.560 I have a chance against a bunch, a club or a punch. So you don't have to be sure, but you have to have

00:31:00.120 an option. Right. Once you have that option, that's already increased your possibilities, a huge amount.

00:31:08.840 So for me now, my Jiu Jitsu is to fulfill peoples, is to fulfill the peoples who needs the most, who are the

00:31:16.440 most nonviolent, more peaceful. And they need not only this kind of support, physical, but also

00:31:23.080 mental and spiritual.

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00:32:26.040 council. You can do that after the conversation for now, I get back to it with Hickson.

00:32:31.960 And you know, as you're talking about that, I think that desire to serve outward and serve the

00:32:36.840 people you're talking about probably comes with a level of maturity, right? You're in that stage of

00:32:42.740 life, but I still go back to what you were saying earlier about defending so heavily the, I don't

00:32:50.200 want to put words in your mouth. I would interpret it as honor, the family honor or the honor of the art.

00:32:56.360 Do you still feel the same way that somebody who challenges either the family or the art

00:33:01.240 deserves some of the things that you were talking about earlier? Or is it something that

00:33:05.560 is more likely to roll off your back at this point? How has that changed right now?

00:33:10.200 Change a little bit because we already proved to the world for the four corners of the world,

00:33:15.000 the effectiveness of Jiu Jitsu. Got it today. Today, if you talk bad things about Jiu Jitsu is

00:33:21.480 because you either have a personal

00:33:23.880 a problem with the family or personal problem somehow is you minus as a person than I expect,

00:33:35.000 because you cannot talking about, you know, science, you cannot talking about, you know,

00:33:40.520 things which are showing benefits for everybody. How you can talk bad things about something like that?

00:33:47.480 So Jiu Jitsu for me is a, is a expression of, of peacefulness, love, control, effectiveness.

00:33:57.320 So all this is positive for anyone. So I don't believe people will talk in a good sense about,

00:34:05.240 bad about Jiu Jitsu. When they talk about the family, they also feel like either it's personal

00:34:11.000 because they get beat by a Gracie member or. Sure. So they not, they not can come out of the blue

00:34:16.920 and talk bad things about the family who helps so many people who bring so many jobs to the world,

00:34:21.880 who, who shared the knowledge and the, and the, and the effectiveness for so many people. So this

00:34:27.400 cannot be bad. So with this being said, uh, my view of my, let's suppose, against those things is more

00:34:37.960 like towards, uh, it's clarified for people, which our mission is, it's become more like towards the,

00:34:45.720 the, the, the, the, the, the aspect of teaching and, and revising and, and, and enforcing the, the,

00:34:54.920 our mission because I'm, I'm now don't have like the, the concerns about proving myself, right.

00:35:02.520 I'm not there to just, to just restart everything and start to challenge people because now everybody

00:35:10.520 who comes in the ring, he's going to come with some knowledge of Jiu Jitsu, even coming from a

00:35:14.440 Judo teacher who learned Jiu Jitsu. So Jiu Jitsu is, so now it's not exactly a style against style.

00:35:20.920 Now it's mixed martial arts is talking about it. And, and, and, and, and this combines people who learn

00:35:27.240 grappling as a base training and then start striking after and people start to with striking base and

00:35:34.520 start grappling after Jiu Jitsu, submission, wrestling. So now the, the, the mix is very,

00:35:40.360 is a huge mix, which I, I go more towards the, the, the, the persona, the character, the, the, the personality

00:35:48.680 of the fighter, how he talks about other fighters, how he talks about what he's learning and how his

00:35:54.440 mission is in life. And then I start to, to become more in alignment with somebody or say,

00:35:59.640 Oh, this guy's an asshole. He's just don't know what he's saying. So, but I still like trying to

00:36:06.520 follow my mission in terms of giving to the people what they feel like they need in order to excel in

00:36:15.080 life. And Jiu Jitsu is the platform for that. But what may go and he may want to use more breathing is

00:36:22.360 more like control emotions or be peaceful. So he can use that, those tools and different ways to,

00:36:29.880 to become a better. Well, I, you know, one of the things that you talked about earlier was as your,

00:36:37.160 let's say you're fighting with an opponent and you're, you're dubbing it more of a challenge.

00:36:41.560 And you said that you learn more about yourself. I've certainly found that to be true on my own path

00:36:46.920 is that I've learned how I naturally and instinctively respond to threatening situations

00:36:53.640 and have had to learn to breathe, have had to learn how to just relax, be critical, think about it. Don't

00:37:01.400 be so, so emotional and get charged up. I mean, I was rolling with somebody the other day and I was able

00:37:07.800 to submit this individual and I could tell that they were so pissed off and they came at me a hundred miles

00:37:13.560 an hour. And rather than it serving them, I was able to choke them out again because they were

00:37:18.200 irrational rather than keeping this level, calm head that I, to a small degree have learned over

00:37:25.640 the past two or three years. Yeah, definitely. I agree a hundred percent with you. And, uh, and you

00:37:32.200 put yourself in, and eventually on this two years window, you put yourself in those kinds of situations,

00:37:38.920 like in the sparks, you know, maybe once a week, maybe once a month, maybe a couple of times.

00:37:44.440 So for me, it was 24 hours, 24 seven. I could not think about a possibility to go out on the street

00:37:53.160 and fight, you know, because I put myself in a position where, you know, I I'm ready. I put myself

00:38:02.120 available and, uh, and I could not accept some kind of challenge or to postpone or to leave for next

00:38:10.280 month or to, or to create a, like a gossip through the social media, which was inexistent at my time

00:38:17.400 and stay like just putting, you know, to let boiling and stuff. No, for me, it was things are resolved

00:38:24.200 on the beach, on the garage, on the, on the, on the corner, whatever. And it was not exactly for the

00:38:30.680 big crowd that for social media was just for myself to prove I was right. And my opponent,

00:38:35.880 and then after either we shake hands or I leave him sleeping, but whatever it is was something which

00:38:43.960 make myself either explode or leave with that new normal for me. And, and, and, and once you start

00:38:51.720 to develop, when you start to need this kind of capabilities in a daily basis, you start to

00:38:59.560 creating different rituals for yourself in terms of how to breathe, not only when you fight, but

00:39:05.480 when you sleep, when you wake, when you swim, when you, so what's the best way to hyperventilate to keep

00:39:11.320 your mind fresh and visualizations all the time. Imagine myself going surf and then somebody coming

00:39:16.840 on the beach and trying to try to, so the possibilities to, to, to engage, the possibilities to be calm,

00:39:22.760 are there all the time was no, is no mark date. So that gives me a sense of working on my,

00:39:30.760 on my attributes, on my potential daily was not something I do is eventually. So I put myself as a,

00:39:40.440 as a slave of my own desire to improve. And I have to be daily approaching my mental aspect,

00:39:47.720 my spiritual aspect, how, how was easy for me to accept death. So it's for me, it seems like funny,

00:39:56.920 but any, any mission I have during this time, if I have a fight today, I will come up in the morning

00:40:04.360 and say, thank you, my God, to be able to fight, to be able to represent my family. And if it's today,

00:40:09.560 we're going to be my last day. So be it, you know, I will accept that as the most natural thing,

00:40:16.440 like a Samurai and with the sword, I was thinking about, you know, the guys go fighting. They're not

00:40:21.880 going to come, some of them not going to come back, you know, but they still like keeping, keeping clean,

00:40:26.600 keeping on or keeping, uh, integrity until the very last time. So I was amazing about that aspect of

00:40:35.720 the Japanese culture. And I bring this to my own ways. I don't have the sword, but I have my hands

00:40:42.120 and my spirit, which when I lead me to death, if I have to follow my mission. So all those elements

00:40:48.920 with a 16, 18, 19 years old, it's not easy for anyone to start to thinking about how comfortable

00:40:54.840 I supposed to be. If I die today, you know, but that's, for me, was something which is a tool for me

00:41:00.520 to be used in order to cope with my, my life, which was very unusual for the time too.

00:41:08.120 So at this point, I feel like blessed to be able to survive all this time. Also blessed to put myself

00:41:15.320 a hundred percent and, and my, and my focus and my things I have to do. So I'm a very happy man.

00:41:23.240 Well, you know, as, as I hear you talk and, and I've been fortunate enough to have conversations

00:41:28.040 with men like yourself and other extremely, extremely successful men. And there's one thing

00:41:34.040 that these successful men, including yourself don't do. And that's dabble.

00:41:39.480 Yeah. It's not like, Oh, I'll try this thing. I'll, I'll experiment with this when, when you go,

00:41:46.440 and this is what I think you're alluding to. At least what I'm hearing is you're all in,

00:41:51.000 not as in like when I train, I'm all in, but this is life, not just me on the mats.

00:41:56.840 A hundred percent. I think like, uh, in any point in life, no matter if it's financially,

00:42:04.040 physically, mentally, or spiritually, you find a plateau based on your achievements,

00:42:10.600 based on what desires to go, you find a plateau. And once you find this plateau,

00:42:16.440 normally your brain said to you, okay, you get a good position here. Let's settle. Let's be

00:42:23.240 comfortable here because you already have done a lot. So if you put a risk, you can jeopardize

00:42:30.360 in your whole situation. So your, your, your safety, your mind, your protect you from

00:42:37.800 making mistakes. So it's better to be conforming the situation you're at.

00:42:41.320 For me, I disagree with that. I feel like in any point in life, you just want to feel a hundred

00:42:48.920 percent alive. If you're able to put that risk, if you're able to put everything again and again

00:42:55.800 on the table to see, because that's exactly the, the, the, the, the, the, the signification of being

00:43:02.760 alive is to be able to feel liveness by attempting things. If you're 18 years old and somebody asks you

00:43:09.320 to go to China for a year, you go without blinking. You're going to go experimenting and go.

00:43:15.000 If you're 50, you're going to say, but what are you going to do in China? I don't know how to speak

00:43:19.080 China, Chinese. I don't know how to. So what about the food? What about what I going to be? Is hotel

00:43:24.840 is bad. So you start to creating problems because you're not in an age anymore to put at risk,

00:43:30.760 to just go there and feel disappointed. Different than I, so I feel like in order for you to keep

00:43:38.040 your mind young and your heart strong in terms of motivation to be alive, you have to take all

00:43:45.560 the chances and the opportunities life gave you. You cannot be afraid to try. So it's, it's completely

00:43:55.160 interesting that the adaptations you have to do all the time. You know, three years from now,

00:44:00.360 I have a school, I have things going in me and then COVID happened, the schools closed, everything

00:44:06.040 changes. And then I built up a studio, like I stood for, for producing content. And I tried to redo my

00:44:13.800 life through the internet, teaching, you know, I tried to financially, I'm exactly have like,

00:44:21.720 I'm making now a percentage of what I was, a small percentage of what I was doing physically.

00:44:27.240 But I tried to reinvent myself. I tried to be present. I tried to keep supporting. I tried to

00:44:31.480 keep my life motivated. I tried to keep in my mission, a hundred percent focus and, and do my best.

00:44:39.160 And if, if you ask me

00:44:43.240 if I could do something different, the only thing I have to say is,

00:44:47.080 uh, I could go in a different direction, but if I go in the direction I am, I do in a hundred,

00:44:53.960 ten percent of what I should do to keep myself, you know, motivated in a path. If I going to be

00:45:01.480 recognized, I'm going to get something back from me. I'm going to get another victory in my life. So

00:45:08.760 I'm still on the mat. I'm still fighting, you know, I'm still winning, but with a different levels of

00:45:15.880 expectations, hopes, you know, patience and, and, and, and other things. So pretty much

00:45:24.600 it's important for us to keep not in the conformity level side, but in the putting yourself at

00:45:33.240 able, able to, to, to receive from life, the fully recognition, you know, you have to put at risk

00:45:40.440 and then you want to see life becomes more meaningful. Things going to be better because

00:45:45.560 you really try what you have to try. But when you're afraid to try, when you say, well, I'm not sure

00:45:51.480 you basically stop living fully and start to living only on your expectations, on the situation you can

00:45:59.240 handle. You know, it's not exactly what you want, but you know, and you stop living fully and start to

00:46:05.960 living just partially in terms of life, you know, in terms of intensity, in terms of happiness, in

00:46:14.520 terms of, of, of conquering. Does this go into, cause I've heard you talk about your personal code

00:46:22.040 of honor. Does this concept of risk and pursuit even, you know, even despite that you've had so much

00:46:29.800 success, is that part of your personal code of honor or is that something different?

00:46:33.640 That's a little different because the code of honor give you a sense of belonging,

00:46:40.760 a sense of what you can accept and what you cannot accept in your life in terms of, of, of

00:46:47.240 representing, in terms of expecting from other people, those kind of, you know,

00:46:54.760 judgments or whatever. So you put yourself honorably in a position to debate, to put yourself in a

00:47:01.640 position of acceptance of not acceptance of things. So it's not about how you perform or how you,

00:47:08.200 you project yourself in terms of achieving something. You can be, you can be honorable and you can be

00:47:14.680 passive, you know? So for me, my motivation in life is, is a little separate from my honor.

00:47:24.760 I have to create myself motivated based on what I have today in terms of what I can do to, because

00:47:32.920 a big part of, of my personal success in terms of how I fulfill my heart of love and peace and

00:47:40.280 happiness is to be at service. I learned in a very early age, I have a gold in my hands. Jiu Jitsu is very,

00:47:48.120 very, very valuable. And through Jiu Jitsu, I can help people. I can really make a deep difference in

00:47:55.560 people's lives, giving them more confidence, more sharpness, more tranquility, more, more, more strength,

00:48:05.320 more strategy. So I make the guy transform himself in a better, stronger person. So that service

00:48:13.320 I get addicted for because life for me is a giving and taking. You cannot be only good.

00:48:20.920 You know, you cannot just give, give, give, give and not receiving because you become weak.

00:48:27.560 You cannot just receive, receive, receive and not giving nothing because it becomes like,

00:48:33.240 you're not a, you know, you suppose not to be a needed person who needs everything for you and give

00:48:38.920 nothing. So it's unbalanced too. Eventually life going to get on you. So the perfect way to live

00:48:45.880 is to give and receive. It's a spiritual trade. You know, no matter if I give you Jiu Jitsu and you

00:48:53.720 give me money, no matter if you give you money and you give me food, no matter if you give me food and

00:49:01.320 I give you Jiu Jitsu. So no matter what kind of service, but if you're a good farmer, you're going

00:49:07.400 to love to give your, your, your chickens or your eggs to somebody to feed a family, to make people,

00:49:13.640 to make people feel good about the chickens you sell. If I have Jiu Jitsu, I have to feel good about

00:49:19.560 my Jiu Jitsu because that's really can increase people's quality of life and happiness.

00:49:25.480 So once you get addicted to that positiveness, you give, you feel like that's a mission.

00:49:33.000 I cannot just deny that mission and say, Oh, I don't give enough. I'm a doctor, but I don't want to

00:49:37.480 treat nobody. That's you. You, you, you, you, you, you go away from the, the, your mission

00:49:45.640 and becomes a failure or a, or I don't know what you become because I don't even think about it, but,

00:49:52.120 but you're supposed to do a mission in life because giving, giving, giving, and also receiving,

00:49:57.960 thank you, receiving money, receiving knowledge, receiving, you know, receiving. And then when I receive

00:50:05.000 what I receive, I feel not only proud, but I feel also I deserve it. So, and that's all balance.

00:50:13.880 It smooths out because when I give a class, when I speak to you on this, I'm not saving words. I'm not

00:50:19.880 trying to finish as soon as possible. I like to give a message for your, for your listeners about

00:50:26.920 the best I can be. I'm here giving the best, the best information I can have in my brain

00:50:32.360 just because I feel like that's my debt, my, my, my, my, my mission. And I feel proud about that.

00:50:41.400 So with all this, you know, we, we just have to keep living life and giving the best you have

00:50:48.040 to be able to receive the best you can ask for.

00:50:53.000 You know, the, the value I think of what, what you're saying here is from the outside, looking in,

00:50:57.880 you have the great blessing of having a father in your life who introduced you to something

00:51:03.480 significant and valuable and meaningful very early on. And it sounds like you've pursued that

00:51:10.520 your entire life. And yet I talk with a lot of men who say, I don't have a mission or I don't have a

00:51:17.060 purpose, or I don't know what it is. And what you're saying about service doesn't just pertain to

00:51:21.800 what your mission is specifically with jujitsu, but with anything, whether it's farming or being

00:51:27.960 a lawyer or a doctor, like you've alluded to during this conversation.

00:51:30.840 Yes. Uh, I agree a hundred percent. And, uh, in regard to my father, I was starting to help

00:51:38.920 my brother to, to teach classes, private classes with 14 years old or something. So, and then I asked

00:51:45.960 my father, I said, dad, what I should do to be the best teacher I can be. And he told me,

00:51:52.760 if you want to be a good jujitsu teacher, you learn a good arm lock, a good sweep, a good escape from

00:51:57.800 the mouth position. And you make sure you know the details and you show those details for the student.

00:52:04.360 And then you want to be a good teacher. But if you want to be an excellent teacher,

00:52:08.360 teacher, you have to try to understand what the student needs to learn with this advice.

00:52:18.040 You know, I make me, uh, I, uh, focus on being a good jujitsu instructor, but also give me the

00:52:26.120 focus to be a good psychologist because you have to, you have to capture what the guy show you in

00:52:33.720 terms of if he's emotionally disturbed, if he stands, if he's relaxed, if he's lazy, if so,

00:52:40.440 I will approach the class for a lazy guy, different than approach the guy for a very tense, emotional.

00:52:47.320 So it's not about what I'm going to be the technical information. It's about the approach.

00:52:51.720 It's about, Hey man, relax, breathe. Let's talk. Let's don't be so active. Just be, and for the other

00:52:58.120 one. Okay. But be happy, be fast, lift your hands quick. So the approach will be different.

00:53:04.280 Based on the understanding. So I follow my life from that point, always thinking about how I can

00:53:11.880 serve with my jujitsu and a much, most approachable and direct way for each student,

00:53:17.880 for each situation, the situations change. So this make me feel like I'm on top of my game based on

00:53:27.560 trying to be understandable about what he needs to learn because a woman needs something to learn from

00:53:34.280 jujitsu, which is not exactly again with the man needs or a child needs or an aggressive bully kid

00:53:41.160 needs in terms of become peaceful and more gentle or what the shy kid afraid needs or what's the

00:53:49.640 the uncoordinated guy needs. So everyone is different in terms of how they're going to approach,

00:53:56.040 how they're going to take jujitsu experience. And, uh, with that, uh, it's just, you know,

00:54:04.360 the experience is there to be feeling. And as you evolve in jujitsu, you can get bad things,

00:54:10.760 good things for yourself in terms of, you know, uh, a complete idea of perform and put jujitsu in

00:54:19.080 your life in a good way.

00:54:19.480 So you you've used a couple of terms, a couple of times now you've said, uh, peaceful and, uh,

00:54:27.000 you've said, uh, gentle and from the outside looking in somebody who's not familiar with

00:54:33.880 jujitsu or you personally, or what this art is about. I don't know that they would naturally make

00:54:39.800 that association. Do you consider yourself to be this type of person? Have you always felt that you

00:54:45.560 were gentle and peaceful? And then how do you explain and articulate for people that,

00:54:53.080 that it is actually gentle, not this violent, you know, activity that most people see on television?

00:54:58.920 Yeah. Martial arts is a violent thing because it's, it's, it's both fighting is a fight,

00:55:05.800 but it's different ways to fight. You can fight aggressive with, you know, fist and punch somebody.

00:55:12.600 You want to fight a woman. You want to, if you're aggressive and mean, you're going to fight a

00:55:17.000 woman with a punch and you're going to kill the girl with two punches. So, or if you want to fight

00:55:23.480 a woman who deserves to be controlled, if I want to somehow have to engage with a woman, first thing,

00:55:31.080 I don't want to be aggressive or mean with her. I want to control her, make her go back to her senses.

00:55:36.920 And immediately, soon she go back, I relieve because she don't need pain. She don't need

00:55:43.080 brutality. She needs control. So with jujitsu, I can be gentle as I want, because I don't have to hit

00:55:51.800 you. If you just learn how to strike somebody with the elbows and punches, you can be gentle by

00:55:57.800 diminishing a few degrees, the punch, but you, the only thing you do is punch. So you're going to hurt

00:56:02.680 no matter what. But if you know how to control, how to weigh distribution, how to choke, nothing

00:56:08.600 can be more gentle against a crazy guy than put him to sleep. Right. Sure.

00:56:14.440 If I keep choking after his sleep, I could kill him, which is very violent. But if I stop in the

00:56:20.760 right point, it can be very gentle for police officers. I mean, I agree jujitsu is very gentle

00:56:27.720 art, but depending who is fighting against who and what deserves, that's going to be the problem.

00:56:34.360 Well, and not only that, but through your own capability and your work over your lifetime,

00:56:40.440 it's allowed you to be able to have that restraint and control. Because if I'm an individual who gets

00:56:45.000 into an altercation and I have no idea what I'm doing, all that I can rely on is my aggression

00:56:50.840 and violence and just my inherent strength, no technical skill whatsoever to allow me to be gentle,

00:56:57.720 to allow me to assess the situation from an objective standpoint.

00:57:03.240 Yes. I agree a hundred percent.

00:57:05.080 Yeah. It's a, it's a very, it's a very, it's been a very interesting journey for me. And I've learned

00:57:11.560 so much about myself and life and how it's translated. And I'm just, I'm, I'm excited to

00:57:19.160 continue down the path because I know how much it makes, how, how good it makes me and how much it

00:57:23.800 improves my life.

00:57:26.040 Yes. The, the improvement is very, very much clear. When you start to engage and you start to feel

00:57:32.680 elements which are, you know, transcending the math, because one important thing too,

00:57:39.480 is because I feel like the modern times dehumanizing you, the technology, the robotics,

00:57:46.360 the internet, they put you in the best image, the best social level, and you can interact with

00:57:52.120 everybody. But it's hard, it becomes harder for you to shake hands, to look people in the eye,

00:57:57.160 to negotiate, to talk with a girl, you know, because it becomes very much spacey and, and, and you can

00:58:05.720 see the entire world by the phone. So jujitsu, if it's for not other elements, they can humanize you

00:58:14.760 because you start to hug, breathe together and feeling. So it's a great element also to, to make

00:58:20.040 you rediscover yourself in a much more intimate way, which makes you feel like regaining the animal

00:58:27.000 elements we have and we need in order to feel complete. We're not just in our heads talking

00:58:33.960 for the internet. We are persons. So this kind of connect you with your physicality, with your thinking

00:58:40.360 together, thinking and doing and, and strategizing. So it's a very complete element in terms of

00:58:46.440 keep you on your highest game. Yeah, that's, that's valuable. I mean, even, and not to mention

00:58:53.880 just the physical connection, you know, we're energized from other people. So I, you know what,

00:58:59.240 Hicks and I appreciate you joining. Um, I've got the copy here. I've read it, man, just an incredible,

00:59:05.080 incredible story of your life. And I'm so honored to be able to have you on the podcast as, as we wind

00:59:11.640 things down, uh, let the guys know where to connect with you. Obviously they can pick up a copy

00:59:16.360 of the book, but where's, where's the best place to connect with you. At this point,

00:59:20.280 the best place is hickson.academy because I start giving some information, which is very

00:59:28.840 valuable for teachers, for students, for new students, for people who start to interact

00:59:33.880 about what it is. So I feel like I can't wait for you to show, show up and, and, and check the site.

00:59:40.600 Okay. Well, we'll, we'll link everything up. We'll sync the guys with it. Let them know where

00:59:44.840 to go again. I appreciate you. Thank you for imparting some of your wisdom with us today.

00:59:49.160 It's a real honor. And I know the guys are going to get a lot of value from it.

00:59:52.280 My pleasure, Ryan. Thank you. God bless my brother and talk to you soon.

00:59:57.320 All right, you guys, there you go. My conversation with the one and only Hicks and Gracie. I hope you

01:00:00.840 enjoyed that. Uh, he shared some of the stories that he shared in his book, but I'm telling you,

01:00:05.480 there are so many more stories in this book that are captivating, compelling, uh, and we'll give you

01:00:10.680 a small glimpse into what it's like to walk in his shoes and learn from some of the best martial

01:00:18.200 artists though, the world has ever known. And I don't say that as hyperbole. That's, that's a,

01:00:22.280 that's a true statement. So, uh, make sure you're following along, uh, get a copy of the book,

01:00:28.200 breathe a life and flow, follow Hickson on Instagram. He does a lot of instructional videos

01:00:32.840 over there. And of course, as I mentioned just about every week, uh, see if you can get to a

01:00:37.240 training yourself because it will radically transform your life. All right, guys do that.

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Order of Man - July 20, 2021

RICKSON GRACIE ｜ Jiu-Jitsu and a Life in Flow

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