On this episode of Dads against dumb shit, the guys are joined by their good friend Kip. We talk about how to deal with a wife who is a narcissist, how to manage a toxic wife, and how to be a better dad to your kids.
00:00:00.000when you learn to become the best version of yourself for yourself, that ironically gives
00:00:07.700you the greatest opportunity to reconcile in your relationship. And you know what? You may never.
00:00:13.040That might be completely beyond your control, but you will be the best man moving forward in your0.96
00:00:18.920life for your business, for your kids, for your community, for another woman to come into your
00:00:23.680life. The alternative is to just do nothing, to be frustrated and throw in the towel and tell1.00
00:00:29.220the world and yourself how bad she is and why she was wrong
00:00:32.580kip what's up good to have you back uh sean filled in masterfully for you last week and so
00:00:39.880uh he always does a phenomenal job but it is good to have you back and i enjoy our conversations as
00:00:44.320well yeah yeah sean's a stud i uh as long as he doesn't do too good right and then maybe he'll
00:00:51.980kick me out of my spot or maybe even kick you out of your spot i mean who knows right
00:00:56.820i mean i'm not opposed to that either but i don't know maybe you can sabotage him somehow or
00:01:00.920something like send him something in the mail that he loses his voice or i don't know loses
00:01:05.040cognitive thinking or something you know but yeah try to destroy his reputation online maybe oh
00:01:10.560that's a good way to do that yeah i mean nobody believes anything anymore though because everybody's
00:01:16.560trying to do that anyways i had this funny this this uh woman make a post or a response to a post0.75
00:01:24.040that i made yesterday i gotta pull this up because it's actually kind of hilarious and she and she0.81
00:01:28.360said i was talking about just isolation and um being alone learning to be with yourself and she
00:01:34.720said probably alone because you're a racist but whatever that's what she said and i wrote her back0.66
00:01:40.840and i said you're probably right because you know white people are really hard to find in montana0.90
00:01:45.520it's like when people make accusations anymore and i think this is actually going to be a big0.95
00:01:52.160problem moving forward nobody believes anything as the saying goes everything is fake and gay
00:01:58.080right it's like everything is and what happens is when we start slinging insults around and using0.76
00:02:05.920words that actually have real meaning then it loses its meaning so you see it with racist you
00:02:12.460see it with fascist uh this is even a big part of the whole me too movement years ago where
00:02:18.840you know people are just slinging accusations around just willy-nilly and it actually undermines
00:02:26.740women who are legitimately victimized by sexual abuse it's it's a really horrible thing and even
00:02:35.900with ai you're gonna see it more and more it's gonna get really bad i mean we've all done it now
00:02:40.940where you watch a video you're like is that is that real and we can't even tell the difference
00:02:46.320now, give it a couple of years. Totally. Well, it reminds me of that quote from Mike Tyson,
00:02:52.280right? Um, I'll, I'll have to find this Ryan. It's so good and it has to do it. Well,
00:02:56.240I'll just paraphrase, but he's like, social media has allowed everybody to get ambitious
00:03:01.820and courageous because they don't get punched in the face. And, and, and so you get digital
00:03:07.900courage and we got digital courage with email. We got a little bit more digital courage with text,
00:03:13.440probably an increase of digital courage when it's an ai video i created that talked shit0.99
00:03:20.420versus me talking shit yeah right and and to your point it just waters down everything0.95
00:03:25.360you know yeah so we'll see we'll see how it goes but we need to stay vigilant um speaking of0.91
00:03:31.980vigilant i need to i need to give you some coaching here kip and i hope i can do that publicly
00:03:37.460on air. What the hell? Let's go. Disneyland. Come on. Oh, Disneyland. Okay. I was like, man,
00:03:44.260I thought it was going to be a legit coaching. No, this is legit. This is legitimate. Don't
00:03:48.700ever do that again. Don't ever let me see you do that again. Well, that may be outside of my
00:03:54.800control, but, uh, you know, Asia's got a little bit more sway than I do. That's weird. I don't0.99
00:04:00.020get that, but yeah, it's fine. Yeah. I actually, it was, I was going to start a website called,
00:04:04.600i was just going to call it dad and and it was an acronym dads against disneyland and then i0.95
00:04:11.020wanted to expand it and call it dads and then it would be dads against dumb shit so it would0.90
00:04:17.440include disneyland and other things that we don't want to do that we're forced to do it'd be a0.97
00:04:23.260support group for dads having to suffer through what their wives and kids want to put them through
00:04:27.540a support recovery group yeah that's right buddy did you guys have a good time though
00:04:32.780um you know how it is it's well i think it's bittersweet like there's some magic to it
00:04:38.140especially with little kids right yeah just like lit up and it's so special you know until you get
00:04:44.040in a line that's like two hours long right and it's just like this is craziness man so um yeah
00:04:50.440i'll be honest i leaving this time i told asia i'm like it kind of lost its uh luster a little
00:04:56.920bit maybe we lost his charm yeah it's lost his charm and it's because the girls are older that's
00:05:02.940really what it comes down to i think yeah and i don't i mean i don't know i'm sure it used to
00:05:06.380everything used to be better or it might just be me getting old and having a bit of nostalgia
00:05:10.760with it but everything is so overly commercialized and you got the long lines and it's maximized for
00:05:17.160generating revenue and it's just not magical anymore nothing is you know i yeah i actually
00:05:25.700i take that back so this last weekend i was able to go up to montana and see what montana knife
00:05:31.860company built up there their new facility oh my goodness it is so cool impressive it is so cool
00:05:39.440i want to say roughly 50 000 square feet i could be way off on that i went to a uh vip and friends
00:05:46.380and family dinner the night before there was 600 people multiple thousands of people there the next
00:05:53.080day. And then, um, I went up to Glacier and spent a day and a half up there. Yeah. And I ran into a
00:06:03.260couple older couples probably in there. I would say maybe late 60, 70, somewhere in there. And
00:06:11.140we just got talking. I told him I was up for Montana knife company and you know, 60, 70 year
00:06:16.660old couples aren't necessarily their target demographic, but both of them knew what it was.
00:06:22.560and they were so proud of what Montana knife company was building. They're like, Oh, we want
00:06:26.400to go see their place. And I mean, this place is incredible. All the machinery they're making all
00:06:32.620of their knives. They're sourcing the steel in America. They're building them in America. They're
00:06:37.120hand grinding them there at the shop. Um, I wouldn't even say shop anymore. It used to be a
00:06:42.660shop. Now it's a manufacturing facility. It's just so cool to see what they've done in.
00:06:47.720i think it's been about eight years or so somewhere right in there maybe maybe even a
00:06:55.080little bit less than but man pretty incredible to see what they're doing so guys go support
00:06:59.300i mean i know they're sponsors of ours but they're friends of mine that's how i got introduced to
00:07:03.760them um i just had a text thread with josh he's the he's the founder then i just told him hey
00:07:10.080thanks for letting me be just a sliver of your story i really i really glad to come up and he
00:07:13.880said man you've been with us from the beginning and i have i met him before it was montana knife
00:07:18.980company they were they kind of were getting started a little bit at soren x's winter strong
00:07:24.940and we talked and had conversations josh helped me build a knife it's actually sitting there on
00:07:30.220my nightstand right now like i love these guys and to see what they're doing is inspiring so go
00:07:35.140check them out that's all i wanted to say on it i love it i love it all right man you want to get
00:07:39.920some questions well i wanted to share something real quick and do something a little different
00:07:43.460and I do want to get into questions, but, um, I made a, I made a post today and I, I was just
00:07:47.880curious about what keeps men up at night, because when I talk with men on the daily, I hear a lot
00:07:54.860of things about what men are struggling with. And if you guys are struggling with any of these,
00:08:00.380what I want you to know is you don't have to struggle. I think there's this
00:08:06.200idea that has permeated the man's space, if you will, where life is, it just has to be hard or
00:08:17.180it is hard and men are built to shoulder the weight. And I use some of that verbiage
00:08:21.760and we are, there's going to be difficult and challenging things that come into our lives,
00:08:26.860but we don't need to make it unnecessarily hard on ourselves. And there are solutions.
00:08:31.740there's groups there's books there's podcasts there's um building a band of brothers there's
00:08:39.220having hobbies there's getting in shape there's so much that you can do
00:08:42.680that would avoid a lot of this so i just wanted to go through a couple of these things so
00:08:47.840this one comes maybe i won't mention the names because it was in a story and so they didn't say
00:08:53.440i can mention the names but one is not knowing his purpose uh this one says money a solid career
00:09:01.100being useful and his cat as well. That's an easy fix. Just get rid of the damn cat and get a dog
00:09:07.400like a man. Uh, so we just solved 25% of your problems right there, dude. Just get rid of the1.00
00:09:16.560cat. Um, it's kind of like in, have you seen that guy that does jujitsu and he's like, just stand
00:09:23.780up just stand up yeah yeah the stand-up guy yeah yeah just stand up it's so funny um or there's a
00:09:32.460skit old skit on saturday night live i don't know if it's steve martin or who it is but he's a
00:09:39.220therapist and people are coming in and and they're complaining about their life he's like stop doing
00:09:44.240that just stop it just stop um let's see one says the what ifs with each current event it creates a
00:09:54.380new question and possible outcome yeah that's a lot because there's so much going on in the world
00:09:58.980right now um one guy says i'm scared shitless to raise my kids in this world yeah for sure i can't
00:10:08.160control the world so that's tough yeah um whether i can provide for my family one guy says a lot
00:10:16.480uh i would say on that i i get it i i know you're probably telling the truth but i would say the
00:10:24.980more specific you can get the more capable you are of solving your problems so um this one says that
00:10:32.500i don't let my daughter down by not giving her the tools to deal with the world so another one
00:10:37.600about the world and what's going on in the world, going all in on my purpose. If I'm doing enough
00:10:43.720to be a good husband and father, like these are all things that I'm sure everybody listening to
00:10:49.680this, here's one, this one's brutal debt and whether I'll ever see my sons again. So I'm
00:10:54.680assuming maybe a nasty divorce and custody battle, but it's heavy. It's heavy. And I don't mean to
00:11:00.980start off on a negative note, but we have tools and we have resources and we've been doing this
00:11:05.880for 11 years to help men solve these problems you and i kip we can't solve them we can give
00:11:11.920tools and resources and the conversations and instruction and everything else but at the end of
00:11:16.760the day um you listening you need to solve it you need to get in the game but one thing i don't want
00:11:24.840you to do is and i see way too many men do this is sit back on their haunches and just wait maybe
00:11:32.560my circumstances will get different. Maybe something external will happen. I'll get a
00:11:37.560promotion or I'll find a woman, uh, or I'll win the lottery or whatever. And it just doesn't
00:11:44.760happen. So go out, make yourself into something, assert yourself into the world, be assertive
00:11:52.740and start getting after it. And hopefully we can give you some answers today. That'll help you do
00:11:56.320that. I love it. Ryan, let me ask you this. Do you feel, is it the struggle that is so difficult
00:12:03.600or is it struggling alone? That is more of the issue. Do you get what I'm asking?
00:12:13.280Yeah, I think I do. What I've experienced personally and what I've seen a lot of men
00:12:20.600experience is the idea that nobody gets it. Yeah. Nobody understands. Nobody knows what I'm dealing
00:12:28.940with. No one is around to help me. Nobody's here to support me. Nobody knows what I'm going through.
00:12:34.020Nobody knows what keeps me up at night. And that's wrong. Because I can tell you that there
00:12:42.240are millions of men around the world who are struggling in the exact same way. An early
00:12:49.420catalyst for order of man is I went through, I went through a really early separation with my
00:12:54.300ex-wife. We were married for 18 years and about a year, was it a year? No, it was, it was my son,
00:13:03.540my youngest, or excuse me, my oldest son was a year. And we went through a brief separation
00:13:07.800as we were working through our stuff. And I remember talking with a handful of friends about
00:13:15.100the separation and what I was going through and, you know, some of the things about my dad and
00:13:21.100the business, just talking about the things that were going on. And it was amazing to me as I did
00:13:27.280how many men said, oh yeah, my wife and I went through a separation or I went through a divorce
00:13:33.500or my dad wasn't around or my business is struggling. And it got me thinking, everybody
00:13:39.080is struggling. Everybody is suffering in some way and men just aren't talking about it.
00:13:45.100And I'm not, I'm not here to say we need to sit around the fire and sing kumbaya and rub each other's backs.
00:13:51.160And yeah, we need to take action. Yeah. Right. I mean, that's what, that's the plight of modern therapy is it's very feminized, but therapy for men is direction oriented and it doesn't have to be done in a stuffy office space with somebody who's trying to psychoanalyze you.
00:14:07.960it could be done with friends on the jujitsu mats it can be friends going to do a spartan race or
00:14:14.920going golfing or going hunting or getting out into the world and doing something significant
00:14:21.440and meaningful building rebuilding a car together starting a business together
00:14:27.180the more that you do that together that's therapy for men and i think what you said about
00:14:34.160being alone, even if you're in a room full of people, most men feel pretty isolated. They really
00:14:40.960do. Yeah. And, and I think that isolation often comes as a result of not being surrounded around
00:14:47.720like-minded men. Right. And that's what makes the iron council so powerful. Um, and I have to call
00:14:53.920this out, you know, we have a, an event coming up, geez, what were we talking about? Like within a
00:14:58.600week or so the men's forge and you can learn more at themensforge.com but this is a gathering of men
00:15:05.060that are like-minded that are struggling that are trying to improve in their lives trying to be
00:15:10.960better husbands be better fathers everything on the list that you just read mark my word there
00:15:16.920are men there dealing with those up at nights the power of the event is input right from experts
00:15:24.200across multiple spectrums that address those issues and then banding with like-minded guys
00:15:30.320that are willing to shoulder that with you a little bit, hold each other accountable,
00:15:35.680right? And support each other. And that's what we're, you know, that's what we're talking about.
00:15:40.820You know, what's funny is over the past couple of weeks, I've had a handful of guys reach out
00:15:44.760with concern about going to the event. Like, I don't know. I don't know if I'm ready or I don't
00:15:49.060know if I'm in the position or I don't know this. I don't know that. I don't know how much I can
00:15:51.820participate in i've had like four or five guys reach out and my response to all of them was the
00:15:56.260same oh no you are going and you're not going to think of excuses not to go you're going to start
00:16:02.260figuring out reasons to go and fortunately all of these guys are like yeah yeah you're right i said
00:16:07.440if look i understand the self-doubt i understand you might not feel comfortable you might be going
00:16:12.660alone what like what i understand that what i don't understand is why you wouldn't work to put
00:16:18.560yourself in a position that you know is going to be better for you when you do it. So if those guys
00:16:24.240are feeling like that, I'm sure there's plenty of other people feeling that way as well. And so stop
00:16:28.400looking for reasons not to excel and thrive and succeed and start looking for excuses and reasons
00:16:34.480to excel and thrive and succeed. I love it. All right. We're going to jump in our questions. John
00:16:41.700Preston's kind of kicking us off here with a reference actually to the iron council. He says,
00:16:47.080in Think Again, the author, Adam Grant, he says you should regularly have career checkups twice
00:16:52.980a year. My question is, who do you do a career checkup with? What is included in the career
00:17:03.660checkup and what questions should be asked? Thanks, Hawk. Yes. Well, so you can look at a
00:17:10.920couple of different categories. I have about three or four people, I would say, that I turn to.
00:17:17.080um, to bring up these specific challenges that I might be going through. And what I've noticed
00:17:22.860is that it's, it's not really broadly done. It's more acute. For example, if I have a concern about
00:17:31.080marketing, I might reach out to somebody in my sphere of influence who I know is a good marketer,
00:17:36.140Montana knife company, for example, and I can reach out to Brandon and say, Hey, Brandon,
00:17:40.160here's, here's the exact issue I'm dealing with. Here's, here's what I'm working through.
00:17:44.400do you have any solutions and it's really really important when you're asking for people's time
00:17:50.780that you do them the respect of being specific with your questions i've actually got a call
00:17:56.840with connor beaton a lot of guys know connor with man talks i've got a call with him not until may
00:18:01.700because we're both so busy but i'm not going to go to that meeting with him just without what
00:18:08.500without being prepared. I'm going to go with a handful of questions, maybe five, 10 questions,
00:18:15.440hyper-specific on the areas that I feel like could be shored up and get his opinion and his feedback.
00:18:23.360If you go in there randomly, not only are you not paying that person the respect they deserve for
00:18:27.980giving you their time and attention, you're just not going to get great answers. You've heard me
00:18:33.340say in the past, the quality of your life is determined by the quality of questions that you
00:18:36.840ask. So whatever your pain point is, if it's marketing, if it's sales, if it's technology,
00:18:42.400if it's research and development, if it's invoicing, if it's fill in the blank, then
00:18:48.460get hyper specific on what questions and use AI for it too. That's a really good use of AI, by the
00:18:54.880way. Hey, I have a problem with marketing. What are some good questions to ask myself or a mentor
00:18:59.780that would help me shore this area up? And AI will help you with that. That's what AI should be used
00:19:05.780for. And then you actually talk with real human beings who are going through real stuff, who can
00:19:11.220navigate the human dynamic of doing business. So I'd find peers. I'd find people who are doing
00:19:21.600better than me. You know, another one that comes to mind immediately is I could, I could text
00:19:26.320Bedros Koulian right now. And I've done this, by the way, I was thinking about bringing somebody
00:19:31.720on to manage our store. And I reached out to Bedros and I told him, I said, Hey, here's what
00:19:35.440i'm thinking about doing here's my plan here's my strategy and he's like well hold on do this0.80
00:19:40.360instead try this because we tried this before it doesn't work but we've grown a fuel hunt his
00:19:46.000main organizations and businesses and this is how we've done it man it was invaluable and i almost
00:19:52.600didn't make the call because pedros is busy yeah but i called him with a very very specific question
00:19:59.200And I also told him what I was already doing and what I have tried that didn't work.
00:20:06.660That is what you do when you want to give somebody respect.
00:20:29.200Hey, Bedros wanted to let you know, just hired our store manager. Here's the compensation package. Here's how it works. Here's what I did based on your feedback. And he, he might, I don't even remember now, but he might've just given me a thumbs up or a good job, right? Or whatever. And that's all it took. But you have to complete the cycle to complete the loop. A lot of people don't do that. And that's really disrespectful.
00:20:52.720i mean i i grew up doing that when i was a kid i remember opening christmas presents and my mom
00:20:58.780had a notepad and you open christmas presents and she said you know aunt aunt susie gave you a
00:21:05.400ugly sweater and uncle bill gave you a pack of baseball cards and and then she would write all
00:21:12.660of them down and then for the next two or three days i was sending out thank you cards to everybody
00:21:18.400who gave me a gift because that's what a decent human being does. They complete the loop. And
00:21:24.940it's the same thing when you're doing this coaching is if you're not completing that,
00:21:28.540then you're not sending the thank you card that is deserved for the person who gave their time
00:21:31.900and attention to you. So there's a few ideas. I love it. You know, John, I'll give you another
00:21:37.420one. I mean, what are we talking about here? Right. Career checkups. Like how are I, how am
00:21:41.040I doing? Right. How am I progressing? How's the career going? Maybe some feedback. That's kind of
00:21:46.820what we're talking about here. And what's interesting about this, and I'd love to get
00:21:52.080your additional thoughts on this, is some of this is a psychological safety issue, right?
00:21:58.060You can ask for feedback, but John, if I'm asking my employees, like, how am I doing? But I've
00:22:03.300attacked them in the past when they try to give me feedback, it's going to be wasted on them and
00:22:09.680or wasted on me. They're not going to speak up. They're not going to be honest with me, right?
00:22:13.440And so relationships is a critical element of this, right?
00:22:16.760And people's safety and feeling that they can be honest with you.
01:01:51.160props for teaching a bunch of fifth graders that sounds like personal hell but good for you
01:01:58.080i don't even like my my own kids half the time let alone other people's kids totally totally
01:02:05.420um well you know at first my my first reaction was to go to your concept of expectations there's
01:02:13.880some things that you should have some expectations about and maybe your expectations are a little
01:02:17.680faulty for 10 year olds i don't know that's a possibility so consider like unfair expectations
01:02:22.980on that yeah i mean i've done that i know i've done that even with my own kids my oldest son
01:02:28.000is so mature he's always been so mature for his age you know and so at eight nine ten years old
01:02:34.260he was probably operating at the maturity level of a 12 or a 13 year old and so what would happen
01:02:41.800is i would hold him to the standard of a 12 to 13 year old and then he'd do something dumb that
01:02:46.600an eight-year-old would do and I'd be so baffled and really come down hard on him until my ex
01:02:54.280reminded me Ryan he's eight I'm like oh yeah that's what eight-year-olds do so there's that
01:03:02.240and and knowing that if your expectations are too high because look if you if you used to teach
01:03:08.240eighth grade and now you're teaching fifth grade you're probably viewing those 10-year-olds
01:03:15.340through the lens of 13 year olds. So be aware of that, I would say.
01:03:24.220And ask yourself, is there something that I can do in the classroom, in the setting,
01:03:30.120especially with boys, because they're going to get rowdy and they're going to get rambunctious
01:03:33.540and they're going to be distracted and they're not going to want to do the things that you're
01:03:38.740teaching them. Are there opportunities for learning outside of the standard sit down,
01:03:44.920shut up color within the lines let's read this curriculum because work with where they are yeah
01:03:50.260it's gonna work really good for the girls relative to the boys because women are just naturally0.89
01:03:54.980they're they follow rules better number one and number two they mature quicker there was this
01:04:00.280interesting video i saw the other day and i want to say it was maybe about that age sixth or seventh
01:04:07.160grade somewhere in there and it said the different it might even been younger and it had a set of 10
01:04:11.980boys and a set of 10 girls and the teacher was playing music and the girls were marching in
01:04:18.740lockstep like all of them were in unison and then it panned over the boys and they're all
01:04:22.640limbs all gangly and all over the place and they can't get on cadence and it's they're going at
01:04:27.980the same time and the boys are just rowdy and the girls are look like a military marching unit
01:04:32.420and they were using that as some sort of experiment that was way off base i can't even
01:04:37.960understand what they were trying to say. The, the real lesson is that women follow directions better1.00
01:04:43.860and they mature quicker. Like there's not much more to it than that. Yeah. Boys don't want to1.00
01:04:49.900fall. They'll, they'll do the opposite just because they want to do the opposite. It's not
01:04:53.940even that they don't get it. They just will actively do the opposite thing that you tell
01:04:57.580them to do. And they're just not as mature as quick. So look at your expectations. The other
01:05:04.400thing i would do is at 10 years old they they can understand these conversations and so what i would
01:05:13.640do is i would go back to the drawing board first before you start addressing your stuff and
01:05:19.100communicate what the expectation is and get them involved in it hey guys look the expectation is
01:05:25.360that we're gonna you know when you when we come in we sit down and we're gonna be quiet and we're
01:05:29.420going to read and everybody's going to take turns reading. And if you're out of line, then you lose
01:05:35.280privileges. And the privileges that you lose are X, Y, and Z. Okay. So that's how that's going to
01:05:42.080work. And then after lunch, we come back, back in from recess or from lunch on time. If you're late,
01:05:48.400you're going to have a little additional work to make up for you being late back into the classroom.
01:05:52.860Like you can have these rules with these kids. I mean, they're 10, they'll understand them.
01:05:58.680my youngest son just turned 10 he would understand that um so communicate the expectations get their
01:06:05.200buy-in you can even ask them hey guys if we're late from recess what what should be what should
01:06:10.620be the outcome what should be the result of that and they'll tell you they'll come up with ideas
01:06:15.160um so i would write those down somebody very clear somewhere very clear and then i would just hold
01:06:20.060them to that i really would i would just hold them to it religiously no exceptions so if a kid comes
01:06:26.540in 30 seconds late it's like hey 10 push-ups let's go and that's what i would do for the boys is i'd
01:06:32.840give them some sort of physical it's like hey clearly being outside playing was important to
01:06:37.040you so go ahead and give me 10 push-ups and then you can join us as a class again um the girls it
01:06:42.940might be something a little different for the girls it'd probably be a little bit more isolating
01:06:47.160because they're relational so it's like hey if you're late you got to go sit over there for 100.98
01:06:51.560minutes or whatever and you can have those rules in place i think um but as far as as far as the
01:06:59.320losing your cool a couple of things number one why are you letting 10 year olds get the better
01:07:08.460of you and that's a that's a question that i would really hold on yeah can you hear me still
01:07:13.860yep yeah i got you why are you letting 10 years old 10 year olds having having power over you
01:07:19.980And I'm not even asking that rhetorically because that's exactly what's happening. You're letting a 10-year-old dictate you, a grown man's behavior. Why? What goes through your mind or even your subconscious when one of those kids disrespects you or speaks out of turn or doesn't follow their instructions or any number of things that they could be doing every day?
01:07:49.980i would assume it's a level of disrespect i would assume perceived right yeah good great yeah good
01:07:57.600clarification yeah you're perceiving that they're disrespecting they're not they're just being kids
01:08:02.800and even if they are deliberately disrespecting you they're probably doing it to be cool in front
01:08:09.120of the class has nothing to do with you yeah so i would really start asking yourself why do i feel
01:08:16.700this way. And what I would do is I would have a journal at school in my desk and, and I would
01:08:23.020call it, you know, my expectation journal or my frustration journal or whatever. And anytime I
01:08:30.020feel myself getting fired up, getting heated, I would, I would write it out. Hey, and I, I wouldn't,
01:08:38.020I wouldn't use names because if it's in the classroom, there's some like privacy issues
01:08:43.060and things like that. So you have to be a little careful, but Hey, one of the boys in class today
01:08:47.360made this comment and I got frustrated and here's how I handled it. And here's why it frustrated me.
01:08:56.120And here's how I evaluate my score on how I performed. And so maybe in that instance, you
01:09:01.940write down, um, like on a, on a scale of neutral, you give yourself, I was a plus one. I was a little
01:09:09.860better than neutral i think i handled that pretty well or maybe it's a minus one like hey i was
01:09:14.280neutral but then it kind of escalated and i lost my cool and i barked at him and so that's a minus
01:09:19.020one and so write down your score and then the next time it happens write it down write it down
01:09:24.760write it down write it down now go back at the end of the week and look at it and say okay what
01:09:28.640do these things have in common what keeps coming up who are the culprits because here's another
01:09:35.020thing that might be happening there might be a certain behavior in one or two kids in the class
01:09:40.760that really fire you up because of some crazy situation you had when you were in fifth grade
01:09:48.340that the kids did and it just infuriated you and now you're taking that story and you're dumping
01:09:55.820it on little timmy who has nothing to do with how you were treated when you were 10 it sounds silly
01:10:01.200It's not. I promise you that happens all the time. So if you start seeing like, I really don't like
01:10:07.720little Timmy because of his haircut or because of his clothes that he wears or because the way that
01:10:14.360he says this one little thing, why, where did you learn that? Why does that bother you? Where did
01:10:20.020you pick that up? That'd be good information for you to know, but you can't do it unless you dock
01:10:24.280yeah for sure you know this reminds me of a just a couple weeks ago i'm driving the kids to school
01:10:32.500and my son he's seven and he has a tendency right now that he corrects everything so if i'm like
01:10:41.080what time is it and i'll be like oh it's nine but it's actually like maybe nine he'll be like
01:10:46.120no it's not it's nine oh seven and i'm like oh you know and it just irritates me irritates me
01:10:53.180I say something. Oh, don't put your wrappers on the ground. Oh, it's not on the ground. It's,
01:10:56.600it's on the, it's on the chair. Right. And sitting on top of the toy. Yeah. It makes me
01:11:04.060super frustrated. Right. And, and I lashed out on him. I, you know, I'm like, Hey, you're being
01:11:09.420disrespectful, blah, blah, blah. I drive him off and I'm driving the car and I'm like, no,
01:11:15.620he wasn't being disrespectful he's curious he's well it's not really nine do you think he's sitting1.00
01:11:24.320in the back seat going oh man i just want to you know my dad he's not a smart guy he's a moron i'm0.99
01:11:29.380gonna correct no he is he is in this he's a sponge of knowledge and he's questioning everything0.99
01:11:37.420do I not want a kid that questions things that's curious that's disruptive of the information that
01:11:45.940he's getting from people or do I want a kid that's a broken spirit that stays in line does
01:11:51.300what he's told which one exceeds in life man and here I am almost on the verge of belittling him
01:12:01.940for being that way, shame on me as a parent, right? And, and, and I think we get into that
01:12:11.660position. Why? Because we lose sight of what we're doing. We think, and I'm not saying this
01:12:17.800is the case for him, right, Nathan, but you might lose sight that what you're doing is
01:12:24.240a good teacher is what? Fifth grader staying in line, listening, following the rules.
01:12:29.660that's not teaching that's not your objective your objective is what
01:12:35.060to drop knowledge into these kids so they become great adults guess what that's messy
01:12:44.080and sometimes we lose sight of the big picture of what we're trying to do
01:12:48.380for these tactical wins we'll do this as parents dirty rooms right maintaining a clean home getting
01:12:55.100our kids to follow the rules and we're losing sight of what man i'm raising adults here how do
01:13:01.580i do that and sometimes we'll we'll take the tactical wins and diminish the strategic win
01:13:08.320for these short-term gains and so be careful of that let these kids flourish and guess what
01:13:14.940it's messy that it's not in line that's not how learning works learning is in the struggle and
01:13:21.080the difficulty and the chaos right and and sometimes it's just not easy to do it that way
01:13:27.160and we lose sight of what we're doing i think that's well said yeah i think that's really well
01:13:33.440said that whole correction thing is crazy like i that one gets to me as well but that again that
01:13:38.920goes to perceived disrespect like you don't correct me i'm the adult you don't correct me
01:13:44.560in front of it like but that's the perceived disrespect that's interesting yeah well it was
01:13:50.020all my creation i was just going to say props to nathan you know we need more guys teaching we need
01:13:57.080more men and in positions like this and so i just want to give props for nathan for being a fifth
01:14:03.780grade teacher i think it's awesome i think it is too just remember and it's going to be boys that
01:14:09.480are causing the problems right we know that it's not i'm sure it's not the girls in your class that
01:14:14.240the issue it's the boys just remember what it was like for you to be 10 you know and and here's
01:14:21.200another thing you could do think back on your favorite teachers and your least favorite teachers
01:14:27.540and try to model your favorite teacher's behavior why were they your favorite they were
01:14:32.640they were fun fun engaging i had this teacher it must have been in sixth grade mr drake he was cool
01:14:41.360his son was a professional snowboarder and so there's snowboarding pictures all over the wall
01:14:46.860in his classroom and then I remember I remember this forever we had to do this project and we had
01:14:52.600to make this paper mache mask of a famous person and we had to draw from a hat so we didn't know
01:14:57.940who we're going to get but we had to draw from a hat and I got Genghis Khan and so I had to make
01:15:03.020this paper mache mask. And then we had to wear the mask while we told a biography of the person
01:15:11.480that we were. And it had to be like a five minute thing. And you had to read it from memory. You
01:15:17.320couldn't, you couldn't read it. You actually had to read it from memory. It must've been,
01:15:20.820actually it must've been eighth grade. It was eighth grade. I loved it. Like it was so cool.
01:15:25.920I got to make this thing. I got to get up there in front of the class and present and talk about
01:15:30.520Genghis Khan and wear the mask. And everybody was like having fun with it. And there was like
01:15:35.620Abraham Lincoln and Jackie Robinson. And it was awesome. But all of my favorite teachers,
01:15:41.820I had, there was one teacher, her name was Mrs. Sloshberg, the most first grade teacher name ever.
01:15:48.500Mrs. Sloshberg. Of course that was her name. And she, she rewarded the kid who was the best kid
01:15:56.320the day before and all that that kid had to do was go grab her shawl out of the closet and bring0.51
01:16:02.660it to her to her desk and give it to her so she could put it over her shoulders while she taught
01:16:07.480uh class made them feel special oh they were whoever like i got it a couple times and i was
01:16:13.480like yes i get to bring mrs sloshberg the shawl today so it's like think about that kind of stuff
01:16:20.820and mimic that. Yeah. Yeah. The teachers, the best teachers are the ones where you knew they
01:16:27.060cared about you. Yeah. Yeah. You know, not the ones that controlled you or taught you amazing
01:16:33.400things. It was the one that you knew cared. And when you know someone cares about you, what you
01:16:38.860do, you show up more powerfully. You want to do good because you want to honor them. Yeah. And
01:16:45.920There's so, so much powerful in that, you know, so a call to action.