Order of Man - Saving the West Through Culture, Entertainment, and Sports

00:00:00.000 Our conversation today is a great follow-up to the conversation that we had with Hollywood actor

00:00:05.020 and producer Kevin Sorbo last week. We have to fight the issues where they are. And right now,

00:00:12.680 entertainment and sports are at the front of the battleground to capture and redefine what

00:00:17.740 manliness looks like in the West today. I'm not interested in letting that happen, and neither

00:00:22.480 are my guests, Jay Crane, Blaine Crane, and David Cohn. They are the host of Crane & Company,

00:00:28.680 where they discuss cultural commentary through the world of sports. Today, we talk about the

00:00:33.440 dangers of censorship in sports and culture, why so many people stand on money when they should be

00:00:38.440 standing on what is right, how sports shapes much of our views on men, masculinity, and society,

00:00:45.060 why we as a culture tend to mistakenly prioritize tolerance and acceptance, how sports is a powerful

00:00:50.880 answer to the fatherlessness epidemic, and how to shift the Overton window back from where it's

00:00:56.600 trending. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly

00:01:01.940 chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You

00:01:07.800 are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are.

00:01:15.260 This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call

00:01:20.580 yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler. I'm the host and the

00:01:25.340 founder of the Order of Man podcast movement. I am glad you are tuning in today. I've got a very

00:01:30.000 exciting one, one that was a lot of fun for me. I'm joined by Jake Crane, Blaine Crane, and David

00:01:35.380 Cohn, host of Crane & Company, which is a podcast we'll talk more about here shortly. If you are new

00:01:41.440 to the podcast, it's my goal to bring on relevant guests, important guests with important lessons and

00:01:47.300 stories and experiences that they can share with us so that we can, A, become better men for ourselves,

00:01:53.220 B, become better men for the people in our lives, and C, to become better men for society as a whole.

00:02:00.900 We as a society are lost. We're degenerate. We're struggling. We're moving in the wrong direction.

00:02:06.260 And it's my firm belief that having men who are capable, strong, bold, courageous, virtuous,

00:02:11.100 righteous are going to be the people who end up saving the world. And I know that sounds

00:02:16.660 grandiose. It's not hyperbole. That is where I think we're headed unless us as men can step up

00:02:23.080 and do what we need to do to serve ourselves and other people that we have a responsibility for.

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00:04:10.640 introduce you to my guests. They are Jake crane, Blaine crane, and David Cohn. They are the host of

00:04:16.460 the popular daily wire podcast crane and company where they discuss current sports events through

00:04:21.780 the lens of American politics and cultural conversations. These guys are all former professional

00:04:27.900 athletes, their coaches, and admittedly, they're some of the most entertaining voices in sports

00:04:33.440 today. Uh, they're also the co-star stars, I should say of daily wires, hit movie lady ballers,

00:04:38.960 and they do in-depth, uh, analytics, informative interviews, predictions in the world of athletics.

00:04:45.480 And whether you agree with them or not, they always give you something to consider. Enjoy this one

00:04:50.840 guys. Hey, what's up guys. Good to have you on the podcast, man. Thanks for having us. We're excited

00:04:57.520 to, uh, to be here. I don't know if I've ever done, uh, interviewed three people at a time,

00:05:02.300 so we'll see how this goes. This is new for me. You guys are seasoned professionals,

00:05:06.040 so I'm sure it'll be all right. Yeah. We got more chemistry than Bill Nye,

00:05:09.420 the science guys. So we're good. We're good. We'll adjust. How do you guys keep from, uh,

00:05:13.440 tripping over each other? Cause I listened to your podcast. I'm like, man, they're pretty in sync

00:05:17.040 here. Like they, uh, they don't really trip over or talk over each other too often. That's,

00:05:20.780 that's impressive actually. Well, I appreciate it. Um, I, I, a lot of it, I mean, me and this,

00:05:25.860 my brother's right here to my right. Allegedly. Allegedly.

00:05:28.340 Allegedly. That is one of your favorite words. Yeah. We haven't checked the Carfax yet, but,

00:05:33.240 uh, no, I mean, we were able to do it and then we've known David for so long. I think we kind

00:05:37.520 of cousin. I'm a close cousin at this point. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. I liken it to a

00:05:42.380 band. Honestly, it's just like we met, we started making music and it just, it's, it grooved and we

00:05:47.620 got to know each other. And I think that, you know, when you watch like the backstage here at the

00:05:51.200 Daily Wire, like that's a masterclass and passing the baton to, from, from one person to the other in

00:05:55.760 the midst of very different conversations, they're having them when we're talking about

00:05:59.040 who's going to win the conference championships. But no, when I met these guys, like right when I

00:06:04.300 met these guys, it was just like brothers. I have two brothers, they're brothers. And it's just,

00:06:08.480 you know, happy to be here for sure. Yeah. Well, it's pretty cool also that you get to work with

00:06:12.980 such an incredible team. I've had Ben on, I've had Andrew Klavan on, uh, working on getting mad on

00:06:19.160 the podcast and the quality of the content you guys put out is incredible. How did you guys get

00:06:23.880 synced up with, uh, with, with the Daily Wire? Yeah. Well, first off, I mean, we're, we're

00:06:28.980 unbelievably fortunate and grateful to be at a place, uh, that number one has people that works

00:06:33.440 as hard as what the Daily Wire has. And, and I don't say that lightly, you know, we, we're obviously

00:06:38.180 sports guys. We grew up playing sports. We're able to play at a decently high level and we

00:06:41.720 understand the importance of teamwork. And I think that's one of the main reasons why the Daily Wire has

00:06:46.060 been so successful. And they let us say what we want to say, right. Right. There's no, there's no leash on,

00:06:51.320 you know, to quote Dana White here recently on, on us diving into topics and, but, but I'm going to

00:06:56.820 tell you, Ryan, like the truth is we, we say what we think. I think that's, what's kind of separated

00:07:00.980 us from some other shows is that you may agree with us on who you think is going to win. Uh,

00:07:05.360 you may disagree with us on certain things, but we're able to say what we think and it comes off

00:07:08.760 as genuine. And when you're able to say what you think you can argue points, uh, pretty far

00:07:14.000 instead of, you know, some of the other stuff you hear where it's rehearsed and we'll all take this

00:07:17.820 side and you take that side because it'll be more fun. We genuinely say what we believe, but no,

00:07:23.260 it's a, it's an incredible place to work. And, you know, we can give the origin story.

00:07:27.300 Tell them, tell them about when we were at the college football hall and Ben Shapiro called.

00:07:30.560 Yeah. So man, it's crazy. Uh, I coached college football for almost a decade. Um, my brother,

00:07:35.880 my brother coached it for almost half a decade. And when COVID hit, I was coaching up in Montana

00:07:40.200 and they sent the players back and the coaches back. Cause nobody knew what was going on.

00:07:43.560 Our head coach was like, we're going to bring you back at some point. We just don't know it

00:07:46.800 was touch and go. And so I went and bought a $50 mic, um, and just started kind of talking

00:07:51.580 college football, stuff like that. And I didn't know what was good. I had no plan for it to go

00:07:56.020 forward. I was going back to coaching and it kind of blew up. And I got reached out to by a couple

00:08:00.320 investors who were pretty high up there and they wanted to move me to Atlanta and put it on video.

00:08:04.940 So that's when I met David Cohn, who was actually the own, the video production company that I was

00:08:08.960 going on video. We hit it off. Uh, long story short, he hops on, my brother hops on the show.

00:08:14.880 We sign a deal with the volume and Colin Cowherd. Um, and we're doing it out of the college football

00:08:19.740 hall of fame. We're in the middle of renegotiating a deal with, with Colin Cowherd in the volume.

00:08:23.900 Cause we had had a ton of success early and we're really excited. And then I get a call,

00:08:28.100 a DM on Twitter from Ben Shapiro. Uh, and then I get a call from Ben Shapiro and, uh, he was like,

00:08:33.240 look, man, we're interested in having a sports show. We'd love to talk to you guys. And it's just

00:08:36.800 blossomed from there, man. It's I'm just wanting to wake up from a coma, to be honest with you.

00:08:40.520 Like, I really think I'm in a coma right now. Like, and I'm going to wake up eventually. And

00:08:44.180 they're gonna be like, yeah, man, you were recruiting. I hit you. Worth it. For sure.

00:08:48.120 And as somebody look for full transparency, like, uh, Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson had a huge

00:08:53.420 impact on me and sort of the transformation that I made throughout my twenties and stuff. So

00:08:57.340 getting a call from them and being able to join this just elite cast of intellectuals and,

00:09:03.260 and, and great people already felt like a dream. But then given the fact that I played football at

00:09:08.160 Michigan and they just won the national championship, now I'm 100% convinced it's a

00:09:12.560 dream. And at this point I'm fine, just staying in it. Like, let's don't wake up. Oh no. I'll

00:09:16.500 Truman show this thing for all it's worth. Yeah. Time to wake up anytime soon. Well,

00:09:20.720 I was going to ask if it ever feels like, you know, you're talking about waking up from the dream

00:09:24.220 or feeling like, ah, man, somebody is going to find out who we really are and can us here pretty

00:09:28.600 quickly, but it sounds like you guys are honest about who you are. And I think, you know, you

00:09:32.700 talked about Dana White or you see somebody like Jim Harbaugh who, you know, it's, uh, at the,

00:09:37.620 at the March for life or, and it's, it's, uh, it's sad that these types of things, the way people

00:09:43.000 really believe, especially in the sports arena, feel like they can't actually share what's on their

00:09:49.060 mind because of losing, uh, careers, losing job opportunities, losing promotions and the risk that

00:09:55.580 comes with just being honest about what you think and feel.

00:09:58.460 Yeah, without a doubt. And I think that's why some networks you see right now are struggling

00:10:03.300 and are having to make some moves to try and make up for the fact that, look, let's be honest,

00:10:07.580 they censor what the talent says and what the talent can't say. I've had more guys and we've

00:10:11.560 had more guys reach out to us on certain other networks that are like, man, I want to say what

00:10:15.880 you just said, but I would be fired into the sun instantly. And I think, you know, again,

00:10:21.960 whether you agree or disagree to me, that's beyond the point. It's the human ability to

00:10:27.680 tell when somebody is being genuine in what they think and what they're saying, at least

00:10:31.760 you know where I stand with Dana White, at least you know where he stands. And at the

00:10:36.100 end of the day, if I, if I'm going to go down, I want to go down, you know, with you knowing

00:10:40.360 I'm, I'm meaning what I say, not that you say crazy stuff or you try and be a shock jock

00:10:44.840 or anything like that. I'm going to tell you what I really think about something. If it's,

00:10:48.720 if it's out there, it's out there compared to the mainstream, but the ability again,

00:10:53.000 that the daily wire gives us to do that, I think is, is one reason why we've seen the

00:10:56.520 results that we've seen because deep down, you know, I used to say it about recruiting.

00:11:01.000 You can fake and trick a lot of people, right? But, but eventually they're going to find

00:11:05.220 out that you're not genuine or you are genuine. And that's the way we've gone about it.

00:11:09.560 Well, Dana White specifically, I mean, we've become friends with it. Wouldn't you guys say,

00:11:14.100 I mean, that's a crazy statement to say too, but we've become friends and close with Dana White

00:11:18.040 through his power slap initiative, which they have their next one coming up February 9th,

00:11:21.440 right before the Superbowl. And, you know, I don't agree with everything Dana White says

00:11:25.560 or all of the actions that he takes. And yet when I'm around the guy, like I'm captivized by his

00:11:30.400 presence. And I think like that's, you know, that shows me the type of leader that he is,

00:11:34.760 the way he runs his business and his comments this past week about not putting his UFC fighters on a

00:11:40.380 leash and talking about free speech, I think was just a microcosm of that, that, Hey,

00:11:44.900 it's healthy to disagree. Tell me what you think. I'll tell you what I, what I think.

00:11:48.780 And then let's go to the blackjack tables and we're going to be friends.

00:11:51.840 And yeah, well, I think, well, I think authenticity matters, right? And I think you could smell a fake

00:11:57.220 from a mile away, but we're running to the problem now where people would rather stand on money than

00:12:00.620 stand on what's right. And I think, I think dialogue matters. And we're scared to argue these days,

00:12:06.740 a real authentic, authentic argument. And I think that's where we get in trouble. We're so

00:12:10.800 one-sided. We have so many followers and not a lot of leaders in today's society. That's why you

00:12:15.320 see all these corporations, all these major networks, just absolutely drowning, drowning in

00:12:21.180 losses. And it's not going to get better because they're not leaders. They're going to follow

00:12:24.480 the politicians and whatever the narrative is. So when it comes to our show and what we can say,

00:12:29.800 authenticity lasts, like that sells the best. You want to know about why Joe Rogan's so good?

00:12:34.940 Because Joe Rogan is authentic. He will say what he feels like, whether you believe it

00:12:40.200 or whether you do not believe it. And that is what viewers want. That's what people want to hear.

00:12:44.980 That's what people want to listen to. They don't want to see some guy get up on CNN and tell you

00:12:49.180 not to go outside today because the sun can blow up, right? That's what we're running into. So

00:12:53.300 I think we're smelling the fakes out. They're starting to come out of the trees a little bit.

00:12:56.900 And the real ones will forever be able to see that. Yeah. Descent moves us forward. That's what we say

00:13:01.280 on the show all the time. Well, and I think, yes. Did you say dissent moves us forward?

00:13:05.300 Because that was actually going to lead into what I was thinking. Yeah, I agree. I think the more

00:13:08.540 people who stand up and speak their mind, the less cancelable these types of things become.

00:13:12.660 You know, you take Dana White was referring specifically to, I believe, Sean Strickland's

00:13:16.800 comments about the LGBTQ agenda. And, you know, although I don't necessarily agree with the way that,

00:13:23.280 you know, Sean delivered his thoughts on the subject, the fact that he stood up to a reporter

00:13:29.140 and said exactly what he wanted to say, exactly what was on his mind and wasn't popular was actually

00:13:35.020 a pretty redeeming characteristic, if you ask me. No, Ryan, it is. But like, to me, the saddest part

00:13:40.440 is we have to celebrate that because we don't see it all the time. That's true. We've had so many

00:13:44.280 people in our past die for our ability to sit here and say what we think, whether you agree,

00:13:50.220 whether it's right or whether it's wrong. I don't know if there's one person in the world that I agree

00:13:54.740 with everything they think. I don't know if there's one person in the world where I disagree

00:13:58.260 with everything that they think. But the fact that we have to celebrate the ability of an individual

00:14:03.900 to say what they actually think, it's borderline scary. And you have to celebrate it because you

00:14:08.960 want more of it. And it's kind of a natural human reaction. But we've gotten to a point now where we

00:14:14.220 are so fearful of being ourselves that we'll never reach our potential. And to me, that's the scariest

00:14:20.460 part of the whole ordeal. And you brought up something there with Sean Strickland specifically.

00:14:24.540 I remember growing up, my father would say, how you say something is as important as what you say.

00:14:29.360 I mean, you could tell someone to go to hell in such a way they'd look forward to the trip,

00:14:33.320 I think was the phrase that my father used. You've won a trip to hell.

00:14:38.180 That's what you see. That's a guy that would get you excited for the trip. But with Sean Strickland

00:14:42.700 specifically, of course, man, I'm sure he wishes and a lot of us wish he could have articulated that

00:14:47.860 thought in a very different way. Right. But I think that's what Dana is alluding to. And look,

00:14:52.100 when it comes to free speech specifically, there is, you can't just go and say whatever you want.

00:14:57.460 It's not even about being canceled. There have to be some sort of standards, especially when we're

00:15:01.060 talking about, you know, corporations and you're trying to promote a fight and that kind of stuff.

00:15:05.940 But to me, what Sean Strickland said is not where the line is, right? Like the line,

00:15:10.340 the line has to be as far as possible when we're talking about speech, especially when you're trying to push

00:15:15.780 cultural ideas and where that Overton window is and how wide is that window and where exactly is it?

00:15:21.620 So, of course, all of us are trying, especially we're on live TV every day like we are,

00:15:25.460 trying to articulate thoughts as carefully as possible. And sometimes we make mistakes.

00:15:29.700 But, you know, it's the sentiment behind ideas that's important, too.

00:15:33.460 Well, one of the things I tell the guys that listen to the podcast and are tuned into what we're

00:15:37.860 doing is you have a lot of these, quote unquote, nice guys who don't want to rock the boat. They don't want

00:15:41.700 to make anybody feel bad. You know, they get steamrolled and rolled over. And I tell these

00:15:46.500 guys, hey, look, if you want to be if you don't want to be a nice guy any longer, you actually have

00:15:51.460 to tiptoe into asshole territory because you don't know what the line is. And until you're willing to

00:15:56.260 be an asshole, you can't find the right appropriate line on how to stand up for yourself, how to have

00:16:01.460 boundaries, how to share what you want, but do it in a respectful way that will elicit results from

00:16:06.260 other people. Yeah, well, I mean, I think and I agree with you, Ryan, it's that's part of being

00:16:11.060 yourself, though, right? Like me in the real world, sometimes my dad used to say that if we're

00:16:15.380 going to quote our dance, somebody's got to wear the hat sometimes like you to me when I'm talking

00:16:19.780 about something, it does release different emotions for me in certain aspects because that's me,

00:16:25.620 you know, being myself. If I disagree with Blaine or something or if I disagree with somebody else out

00:16:30.740 there, I'm going to talk about it. And if I have to tiptoe into that territory, I'll tiptoe into that

00:16:35.540 territory. But I'm not going to live in that territory or I'm not going to just live in the

00:16:38.980 nice guy territory again. I think the authenticity, right? It's the beanie baby rule, the baseball

00:16:44.020 called rule. The more authentic it is, the more valuable it is. And that's the way that we kind

00:16:48.420 of approach what we do. But I'm with you, man. And I think that goes into the full experience.

00:16:52.500 I don't want you and I know these guys will agree with me to turn it, tune into Cran and Company

00:16:57.140 because you're like, oh, it's just going to be nothing but rainbows and smiles. Or I'm going to tune

00:17:01.380 into Cran and Company because these three guys are going to yell at each other the whole time.

00:17:04.660 Like we see on different shows. I want you to tune in and be like, hey, I don't know what

00:17:08.500 I'm going to get today. As far as emotional, right? Is it going to be funnier? Is there going

00:17:13.620 to be something going to get angry? Are we going to get into a heated debate? But I know I'm going

00:17:16.980 to get something that's real. And at the end of the day, to quote one of my favorite artists,

00:17:21.060 I don't know if many of you already agrees, Drake on the pound cake song.

00:17:24.740 No, not many people agree.

00:17:26.740 Yeah. Only real music is going to last. All the other stuff is here today and it's gone tomorrow.

00:17:31.860 Yeah. It took me a little while to realize in life, like being a good man and being a nice man

00:17:37.620 are two different things, right? Like those are not the same thing. Sometimes being a good man

00:17:42.820 and doing what's right in terms of taking on the responsibilities of a man means that you're not

00:17:47.460 being nice, right? It's having the ability to not only get in a fight, but win a fight, whether that be

00:17:52.900 figuratively or literally, but to win that fight. And sometimes that's what's called upon for a man to

00:18:00.100 reach his full potential and to take on the responsibilities of life.

00:18:03.860 One of my, uh, one of my friends, his name's Jack Donovan. He makes this distinction. He says,

00:18:08.420 there's a difference between being a good man and being good at being a man. And I love that

00:18:13.940 distinction. I do like that. I may have to borrow that one. I want to pivot real quick. Cause you guys,

00:18:20.500 you guys mentioned something I take a little bit of issue with. So I'm really curious from your

00:18:24.580 commentary, your professional and expert opinion in the world of sports power slap.

00:18:30.260 Let's talk about that a little bit. Cause I love UFC. I love the fights. Um, I train a little

00:18:34.980 jujitsu, not very much, but I love that. But then I see the power slap stuff and I just can't get

00:18:41.140 behind it as a, as a, as a sport, as a, like a valuable thing to do. Tell me your guys' thoughts on

00:18:47.540 this. Hmm. Well, look, I feel like if, uh, you want to grab the belt, grab the belt. Um,

00:18:54.740 the way I look at it, it's like this, uh, both are brutal. Right. And having been there in person,

00:18:58.820 I can tell you like power, it's visceral. Like it's watching it on TV is one thing being there

00:19:05.300 and seeing it and hearing it and basically feeling it almost from the front row is a totally different

00:19:10.980 thing. Um, but to me, I think, you know, it's as, as crazy as some people might think it is.

00:19:17.220 I think it's a good pathway for some of these guys who are, who are trying to get a career.

00:19:21.220 Maybe it's an MMA, maybe it's something else to try and get their foot in the door. A lot

00:19:25.060 of them, that's what they're doing. So to me, it's, you can get knocked out in both, right?

00:19:30.500 Which one would I rather do? I don't know. I, I think both of them can end up being, being,

00:19:35.140 you know, pretty brutal, but at the end of the day, I think it's providing opportunities

00:19:38.500 for guys who are willing to do it. Right. We're not, they're not forcing anybody to,

00:19:41.860 they're not going into different villages and be like, Hey, you come here, power,

00:19:45.380 son. You can sit in a hunger games situation, but I think it's getting a foot in the door

00:19:50.100 for some of these guys. And honestly, uh, after having met them and hung out with someone, man,

00:19:54.500 they're great guys. They're really cool people. I would encourage you check out their stories.

00:19:58.820 They also have the television show behind the scenes that's going on where you can see them

00:20:02.740 as they prepare for, for their bouts and stuff. But yeah, hear their stories and get to know them

00:20:07.380 because they're trying to not only make it an MMA, but you know, they're working a lot of different

00:20:11.700 types of jobs. And the way I see it is a, it's just another rite of passage, right? It's a physical

00:20:17.060 rite of passage that has physical consequences and one man standing in front of another. And I'm

00:20:22.500 thinking of this analogy in real time. So it may be flawed. It's almost like going for a two point

00:20:26.500 conversion at the end of a football game. You know, if an MMA fight is the full game that you

00:20:30.660 get to experience with special teams and the full field and everything going for that two point

00:20:34.820 conversion is the game distilled down to its essence in football. You line up at the two,

00:20:38.980 we're going to try and score. You try and stop us. That's how college overtime works.

00:20:42.660 Now, it's kind of how power slap is, you know, instead of a full fight,

00:20:45.620 I'm going to stand across from you. I'm going to slap you as hard as I can. Hopefully I get to go

00:20:49.540 first. Yeah, slap me as hard as I can. And when I see these things go multiple rounds, man,

00:20:54.260 I'm telling you, if I win the coin toss, that's the whole coin toss, I'm slapping. If he's not

00:20:59.540 knocked out, I'm leaving. You're not deferring. You're not deferring. I would so much rather

00:21:04.180 do power slap than actually being an actual. Well, what's funny is there's a scene in lady

00:21:08.100 ballers where we're sitting in the gym and I slap him and run away instantly. That's about

00:21:12.260 what it'd be like. I mean, that's what we did with our brothers and stuff. When we were kids,

00:21:15.940 it's like, let's have a slap competition. I'll go first. You slap them. And then, yeah, you don't,

00:21:19.860 you don't let them get a chance. Of course. I think that's where I take issue with is that

00:21:28.020 I can't, for me, wrap my head around letting somebody slap me. That's the difference between

00:21:32.740 power slap and MMA. Yeah, sure. You're in there beating each other up, but I'm trying not to get

00:21:37.940 hit. Like I'm trying to keep you from hurting me while I actively try to hurt you. And that's

00:21:43.220 where I take issue. Yeah. To me that that's almost more, it's more brave to me. It's here's what I

00:21:48.740 think about and not to compare a sport to war, but I mean, this is a gladiator sport. It's like,

00:21:54.580 and I've never understood this back in the day when they, they'd be like, all right,

00:21:58.580 you'd have one group standing facing the other group. They'd be like, all right, put your guns up.

00:22:02.420 Yeah. Fire. And you fired and then you put them down. Then the, then the other side puts their

00:22:07.220 guns up. Like to me, that takes, that takes a lot of guts, man. That takes a lot of guts.

00:22:12.500 Like being elusive. Trust me. I used to watch every Floyd Mayweather junior fight,

00:22:16.020 just wishing somebody would actually connect with this guy. Right. Cause no one, no one could hit him.

00:22:20.740 Um, but what you're saying, like that phrase of, I couldn't imagine just standing across from

00:22:24.580 someone and letting them slap me. Someone else is saying that about getting in the ring and having a

00:22:29.540 boxing match or having a UFC fight. I know I couldn't imagine ever, uh, getting involved in

00:22:34.340 something that, that that's brutal. That's that brutal or physical, something like that, or football.

00:22:39.860 A lot of people don't want to engage in the physicality that football requires. So it's just

00:22:44.020 a different flavor. And I see it as just another rite of passage, especially for some of these guys

00:22:48.740 who are trying to work their way up and be professional fighters. Well, I think it's cool that

00:22:52.180 he likes one and not the other though. I think that's cool. Cause I mean, obviously you're really

00:22:56.340 looking at it from, you know, your own perspective. I mean, I, I think that's interesting.

00:23:00.660 Well, I mean, knee jerk, I was like, Oh, these guys are morons. Like they're just,

00:23:03.220 they're slapping each other. But if I take like a real, a real look at it, no, there's technique.

00:23:08.420 There's, there's things they're doing. They're training. There's technique to it. There's,

00:23:12.180 there's a lot more to it than just, Hey, what's on the surface, which is what everybody sees.

00:23:16.180 And, and it's interesting what I saw too, but yeah, I was just curious about that. I kind of liken it to,

00:23:20.580 um, I played a little bit of sports in high school, never college or professional level,

00:23:25.460 but in high school and basketball was a sport that I just struggled in. And one of the biggest

00:23:29.540 things for me was that you actually are, are, uh, encouraged to let another player run over you.

00:23:37.140 That just did not compute in my mind. And so I, they put me in there to beat people up. I'd

00:23:42.180 foul out just about every game. And I lasted through my sophomore year and then got cut,

00:23:46.020 but that was just something I could not, like, it didn't click for me.

00:23:50.340 It could, you know, I just feel like you'd be the perfect goon in hockey though.

00:23:53.860 Like, you know, the guy they sent out there and they're like, they're like, please,

00:23:57.860 like this one Russian guy has given us problems. Will you please take it?

00:24:00.420 And you have that all sports. It's not only hockey. Like, look,

00:24:04.820 you've sent a guy out on a football field a couple of times, whether that'd be a freshman

00:24:07.700 or a sophomore, but like, Hey man, I need you to go take care of this guy.

00:24:10.100 Yeah. Adam, Adam sailor and happy Gilmore.

00:24:13.540 The enforcer, the bash bros, that's right. Those are the guys I resonate with for sure.

00:24:20.500 Oh man. I'm a big Gordon Bombay guy. Who isn't? I'm big. Who isn't?

00:24:24.980 Yeah. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. What a great movie.

00:24:28.580 Well, did you guys think, uh, what you're doing now would ever lead you to be, uh, you know,

00:24:32.340 Hollywood movie? Well, I shouldn't say Hollywood. It's not really fair,

00:24:34.980 but at least movie stars. We'll say movie stars, man. You know, yes. Yeah.

00:24:43.780 I'll tell you what's funny though. I told my wife when my wife, now she was my girlfriend.

00:24:49.460 Then that's your previous wife. Don't trick people. I've been married one time so far.

00:24:55.140 Um, but, uh, when I was just, we were doing the J boy show, I was like, I just got a feeling

00:25:00.340 like I'm going to get a chance to act at some point. And she used to be like,

00:25:03.860 no, she's like, you know, you're doing your sports thing. Stick with that, whatever, whatever.

00:25:07.860 So of course, when we found out we were doing the movie after I had to tell her,

00:25:10.740 we had to cut our honeymoon in half. Once we got through that.

00:25:12.900 That was, um, yeah, God, for the, for the movie you did got through it.

00:25:16.740 Oh yeah. I'll tell you, I'll get, I'll get into that. But, um, I'll say this. I always wanted to

00:25:22.020 do it. Um, it's something I felt like I always could do. Uh, but I never thought you'd be given

00:25:27.380 the opportunity. Right. Cause I feel like that's, you got to go in there and earn your dues and stuff

00:25:31.540 like that in the acting world and all that crazy stuff to have a chance to not just be in a movie,

00:25:35.940 but be one of the main focal points of the movie. And the idea, uh, was, was kicked around. We had

00:25:41.380 talked about with Ben Shapiro and Jeremy Boring. Like at first we were going to try and see if

00:25:44.740 Blaine could, my brother who's six foot four, um, could act and cone six, seven. We actually,

00:25:50.340 you know, we, we actually had a pretty decent sized basketball team, but, uh, if he could make the WNBA

00:25:55.140 like legitimately, like, because if guys can be girls and girls can be guys, then my brother

00:26:00.020 should be able to play in the WNBA and average a triple double.

00:26:03.300 Iso. Yeah. Iso the whole time five out. Iso. Um, but they wouldn't let them like they talk this

00:26:09.860 big game. And then when you try, they don't let you. So, uh, Ben and Jeremy came up with the idea

00:26:15.140 for the movie. Uh, we talked about it. They brought us in. We thought it was a great idea.

00:26:19.300 They got the script out so quick. They, they brought us in, handed us the script. They said,

00:26:23.380 yeah, an hour and a half to read it. Tell us what you think and bring it back. Cause they didn't

00:26:26.340 want the script out. Read it. It was incredibly well written. We were laughing,

00:26:30.260 like genuinely laughing. And, uh, yeah, man, it's, uh, it was an, it was an incredible

00:26:34.020 opportunity and, and something that obviously turned out really well and we want to do it again.

00:26:37.940 The most, and look, we're going to get a shot as crazy as the world keeps going. Maybe the, uh,

00:26:42.100 the golf lady ballers. I'm telling you, lady ballers too, lady ballers too. She's got drive.

00:26:47.300 Man. The craziest part for me is for the last 10 years, when I met you guys, I was working in video

00:26:51.620 and film production, right? I was on the periphery of this. I was directing actors for over a decade,

00:26:56.420 then to be on the other side of it and be in a movie and acting and to get directed.

00:27:01.060 It was a crazy experience. I'm just, I'm so proud of this group, man, because we went in,

00:27:05.380 we knew there would be no expectations, right? For us to actually deliver some sort of performance.

00:27:09.860 That's not only good, but maybe even funny. Um, and then when we went in there and we knew what we put

00:27:14.500 in the can, we knew the scenes we shot, but we had to keep it a secret for the eight months while

00:27:19.300 they're in post-production. I said, guys, I think we made something really special. Obviously we don't have

00:27:24.580 final cut. We're not going to be in charge of the edit, but I know what we shot. I think it's

00:27:28.660 really solid. Let's just see what happens. Then number one movie on Rotten Tomatoes.

00:27:32.340 It happened weeks. Couldn't believe that. The thing with me, I've always wanted to act

00:27:35.460 and two, I've always thought I was Batman. Yeah. So you want to be Batman in three years.

00:27:38.740 This movie is a great stepping stone for me to be Batman in the next two years.

00:27:42.100 And I'd be the Joker. I'm going to be Catwoman. I already played a girl.

00:27:44.980 Yeah. Dave's going to be Catwoman, look just like Halle Berry and

00:27:48.420 I'm the Joker. The Joker. Yeah. That's debatable about the Halle Berry comment,

00:27:52.500 but yeah, we'll go for sure. Well, better than I look like Elon Musk.

00:27:56.820 Dave's a little darker than her. Yeah. A little bit.

00:28:00.260 Yeah. I was thinking, you know, golf is certainly Avenue. Tennis,

00:28:03.060 although I'm not sure I'd want to see any of you guys in a skirt on the tennis court. That's for sure.

00:28:07.220 Yeah. No, I don't. We were very lucky that we didn't have to, you know,

00:28:11.780 our good buddy, Tyler Fisher. He was the only one who really had to dress up. Yeah. Like a woman

00:28:17.220 outside of, of Jeremy and Alex, the part, and obviously the main character, but you know,

00:28:22.500 the funniest part to me, and if you haven't seen the movie, this is something you need to watch as

00:28:26.020 it goes, uh, is that we get more masculine, the more games we play in this tournament.

00:28:31.300 Like it starts off very feminine. Like all of a sudden the wigs disappear.

00:28:34.740 Like I just had to wear a bow. So I feel like I lucked out.

00:28:37.700 Right. And ended up having the bow.

00:28:39.380 It was the worst. I mean, you look like you're part of the Motley Crue at least.

00:28:41.860 Oh yeah. We're going to get an eighties band together for sure. I'm jamming out.

00:28:45.780 We're going to look like an anorexic Cruella de Vil.

00:28:48.180 But it's funny. I was like, just telling my dad this when this, when this story had broken about

00:28:52.580 the, the male golfer who won the female tournament and can now possibly play on the LPGA. I was saying,

00:28:58.740 you know, the world's so crazy. I would gladly not have men hoisting trophies in women's sports.

00:29:04.340 Um, and for us to not have starred in a movie, I would make that trade off. But if the world is

00:29:09.380 going to be so crazy, then, Hey, let's at least capitalize and point out the absurdity of it by

00:29:14.260 doing a project like this. And that's what was so fulfilling about it. I mean, our good friend,

00:29:18.020 Riley Gaines, I think would tell you the same thing. She would gladly trade in whatever fame

00:29:22.660 she's received in this new lifestyle. She's living to not have this absurdity have happened

00:29:26.980 to her in the first place, but this is the world we live in now.

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00:30:43.060 Yeah. I mean, I think it's an important movie and, and, and I, you know, I know there's probably

00:30:46.500 people and you guys have heard this, I'm sure that, that think it's, you know, just a mockery.

00:30:50.820 It isn't important. It's not relevant in the grand scheme of things, but I think tapping into

00:30:55.520 cultural, culturally important things, and that's movies, that's comedy, that's acting,

00:31:03.080 celebrities, even sports, you know, it's easy to take that and dismiss it as unimportant,

00:31:08.000 but these are all fronts that we can fight a good battle on and bring attention to real issues

00:31:12.800 that are important. Yeah. And to me, when you look at it and, and I try and look at everything,

00:31:18.360 you know, at some point from a 30,000 foot view, if you honestly believe that there's no difference

00:31:25.400 between men and women, especially in the sports arena, then you can be talked into believing anything

00:31:31.560 like that. That's an avenue for what's to stop just from having men go in women's bathroom.

00:31:36.480 What, what's, what's, where does it end? If you're going to start there and you can convince

00:31:40.420 people that this is actually a real thing, which I, I think 99.999% of people realize there's a

00:31:46.260 difference between men and women. Yeah. They're not convinced. Um, yeah, there's nobody, I, there's

00:31:50.140 nobody I've ever met is like, no, dude, like seriously, there's no difference. Like there's no

00:31:53.420 difference at all. Uh, but if you can believe that and you can be talked into that, then, then you can be

00:31:59.160 talked into anything that then you can believe anything that we know it's not debatable. It's

00:32:04.820 not an opinion. It is a fact that there's a difference between men and women biologically

00:32:09.980 and anatomically. So if you can sit here and say, Oh, it doesn't matter. Let men play against women.

00:32:15.480 Let, let women, you know, go in men's sports or whatever, which we don't ever see. Then again,

00:32:20.220 what's to stop anyone from saying, well, I'm a man. Well, no, there's no such thing as a man. So I'm

00:32:25.160 going to go into the women's bathroom. Like where does it end? It never ends. It's just an ever

00:32:29.300 winding road of stupidity in my opinion. Yeah. And look, I agree. I don't, I don't think many

00:32:35.020 people are convinced that men and women are different. I think they're, they're, they're

00:32:38.640 going along with the narrative because they're, you know, blissfully ignorant or, um, you know,

00:32:43.460 they're just kind of useful idiots, I think is the term that we often hear. But the other one is that

00:32:47.800 I think a lot of these people will rank virtues and they'll look at something like tolerance and

00:32:54.240 acceptance as more virtuous than truth and honesty. And so it's just a reprioritization

00:32:59.440 of their, their values and their virtues. And they've got it wrong. They've got it backwards.

00:33:04.460 100%. People don't want to hurt feelings more than they want to, which actually Matt Walsh made

00:33:08.440 this point a couple months ago, which was, Hey, he was speaking to the trans community. I care about

00:33:12.880 you more because I'm the one who wants you to live out your full potential. I mean, there, there's a

00:33:17.220 great quote that says, you know, the greatest, uh, the most honorable thing a man can do is to reach his

00:33:21.900 full potential. And I think you could take that and say the same thing about a woman, but not only

00:33:26.420 that aspect, but also I think people are lying to themselves about just how much our culture and our

00:33:31.460 country has changed over the past five, eight, 10 years. And that's what gets me thinking. And I

00:33:36.120 chuckle when I hear people talk about the movie, Juana man, uh, in reference to lady ballers, like when

00:33:41.340 lady ballers came out and they said, well, they already made Juana man for two reasons. One, just from

00:33:45.500 the surface level of that movie was made 20 years ago. So even if our movie was a direct ripoff, I mean,

00:33:51.000 they're making three dozen Marvel movies every single year. The fact we couldn't make a similar

00:33:55.020 movie 20 years later, the little, the little mermaids, like, uh, like, uh, like a neurodivergent

00:34:00.100 lesbian. So Robert Downey Jr. That just from a film, from a filmmaking standpoint, but then the

00:34:05.040 deeper issue is no Juana man was made at a time where it went without saying that it's ridiculous for

00:34:11.340 a guy to dress up as a woman and to play basketball. He was hiding all that's the points hiding it. This is

00:34:17.040 the humor in it. The same with Mrs. Doubtfire. The same with white chicks is the audience is in

00:34:22.060 on the gag. It's always been funny, which is men dressing up as women, but the other characters

00:34:26.640 aren't in on it with our movie. This is post absurdity post craziness in our country where

00:34:32.220 these men are hoisting women's trophies. Women are allowing it to happen. And that's the beauty

00:34:36.860 of lady ballers is we dominate the field of competition in wigs. We live in the dumbest,

00:34:42.560 smartest time ever. Elon Musk is landing rockets upside down on platforms in the Indian ocean.

00:34:48.380 Yet some people believe there's no difference between men and women. Can you believe, could

00:34:52.480 you believe when we teleported somebody from like 1820 to our time right now? And we're like, Hey,

00:34:57.820 here's the iPhone. They'd be like, Oh my God, these are, this were so smart now, but Hey,

00:35:03.500 dudes and chicks are the same. Like, can you just imagine like my head would explode and

00:35:07.640 spontaneously combust. We live in the dumbest, smartest time ever. Well, I think, I think the

00:35:13.200 reason the movie is so funny is because as the adage goes, it's funny because it's true. Like

00:35:17.900 if there wasn't an element of truth to it, it wouldn't be funny. You know, you guys did bring

00:35:21.540 up, um, Riley Gaines. I, I think she's probably one of the most important voices in, in sports right

00:35:28.820 now, especially as it relates obviously to culture, because you, you said it, uh, women need

00:35:33.700 to stand up too. I don't understand why, why these women, especially when it came to Leah Thomas and

00:35:38.660 the swimming stuff, why they didn't say, Hey, you know what? We're out. We're going to go create our

00:35:42.720 own league over here and do our own thing. And we're not going to play this game anymore. I

00:35:46.800 understand like a young lady who spent, you know, 20 years trying to get to that level, trying to

00:35:52.960 get to that point, the opportunity that comes with it. But unless women are willing to stand up

00:35:57.140 and say, we're not doing this, we're not participating in this. Uh, you're just not going to have

00:36:01.720 anything change. And they'll say, well, men need to do it. Well, if you want men and women

00:36:04.940 to be the same, then women need to step up as well. Well, men are doing it. Yeah. Well,

00:36:09.360 I mean, at the end of the day, that's the problem. Well, well, again, I think only legitimately only

00:36:14.100 women can stop this. Yeah. I only, they can't like, we can only do so much as men. And there's

00:36:18.820 a lot of women again, that same as, as men, 99.99% of people agree that there's a difference.

00:36:25.060 There's an advantage that men have over women. When that guy goes out there and plays against

00:36:28.860 women's golfers, he's seeing off from the women's tee, hitting a five wood from like two 65 out.

00:36:34.040 Meanwhile, every other lady out there takes her three shots to get there. I mean, we all know

00:36:38.040 the advantage that men have over women, but unless women, and we've seen it some, you've seen it at

00:36:44.000 the high school level, some boycotts, right? And a lot of times it works, but until it's a uniform,

00:36:50.160 all right, we are done with this. We are not going to tolerate this anymore, which is not going to

00:36:53.820 happen because you have these clowns out here, like Megan Rapinoe, who really don't care about women's

00:36:58.460 sports. They just care about themselves. They think their injury proves that God isn't real.

00:37:02.480 That's a story for another day. And again, if you put her brain in a dog and walk backwards,

00:37:06.220 but unless all women come together, this is not going to stop. If the LPGA, the women on the LPGA

00:37:12.560 don't come together and say, we just won't play. Right. And here's what I love. Here's,

00:37:16.400 here's the funniest argument, Ryan. Oh, well let's, let's make a trans division. Let's make a trans

00:37:22.020 division for athletes. That's going to turn into men's. It's just because all the, it's a men's

00:37:26.760 division. That's what it's going to turn into. So, uh, women have to stop it. And unless they

00:37:31.160 don't, we can sit here and scream and bring our pitch, uh, pitchforks and torches and run up to

00:37:36.820 the city council. It's not going to change. They've got to stop it. I agree completely. Women have to

00:37:41.280 lead the charge because you're only seeing this dominance in sports from one side of the transition.

00:37:46.120 Right. And, and Riley Gaines is such a great leader and such a great voice for these young ladies.

00:37:50.480 And I love when she said, sometimes I have to pinch myself that I have a million social media followers

00:37:55.500 just for saying the statement, men and women are different. Yeah. She's testifying Congress to tell

00:38:01.840 them the difference of why men shouldn't be entering women's locker rooms. Not, not only women, but the,

00:38:06.780 the, the most athletic famous women need to stand up the Serena Williams, uh, the, the voice that young

00:38:13.140 girls go to who they watch playing on in golf. Caitlin Clark and women's basketball WNBA. Um, there's

00:38:20.940 certain females out there who would stand up and say something that could make a difference,

00:38:25.020 but they won't do it because of what you brought up earlier in the show. They're too scared to lose

00:38:28.220 sponsorships. They're too scared to lose status in life, but that's why they sit behind a wool cover

00:38:33.740 and not saying, I think you see Martina Navratilova stands up and always addresses this issue. And when

00:38:38.780 you see the vitriol that she, that she receives and the pushback, it shows you why more females who are in

00:38:44.280 their prime won't speak up. Look at JK Rowling destroyed her. I mean, she came up with Harry

00:38:51.000 Potter, man. Yeah. It's pretty wild. It's unfortunate. It is the reality. But again,

00:38:54.440 I think we'd let off the conversation with this is that the more that people are willing to dissent,

00:38:58.520 the more, the less it becomes a dissent, then it's no longer a dissent anymore. And everybody's like,

00:39:02.840 yeah, this is actually true. And this is where we need to go. Yeah. No, I, again, and this is why,

00:39:08.840 you know, what I said earlier, you know, dissent does move us forward and it shines a light on

00:39:13.640 everything, right? So at least at worst, you can have a good perspective or an opinion on it,

00:39:19.640 wherever you land, at least when we're arguing or we're debating, or we're doing something,

00:39:23.960 you are getting every area, the whole spectrum, the whole window, as you referred to it earlier,

00:39:29.880 of the argument. Because without that, if it's going to be narrow sided, if it's like,

00:39:34.200 you know, looking at a kaleidoscope, right, you're never going to get anywhere. So I, again,

00:39:38.600 dissent is so important because I think at the end, at least at worst, as I mentioned,

00:39:43.400 you can get a valuable opinion or find out what you think or what you really believe about

00:39:47.400 something. Cause you've gotten different perspectives. Let me shift gears a little

00:39:51.560 bit. I'm curious what you guys think with, with what you do on a daily basis, where sports,

00:39:56.520 all sports in general come into play with the cultural conversations that we're having.

00:40:00.760 Cause I think a lot of the times it's easy to dismiss sports as people playing a game. I don't

00:40:06.520 watch admittedly a whole lot of sports myself, but I realized the relevancy of it. I realized a lot

00:40:11.080 of it is a metaphor for life. I love sports for young men, but I'm curious for, for, from your

00:40:16.200 guys's take is sports important in the cultural conversation and do these things move us forward

00:40:22.280 or is it purely just entertainment? Um, no, I think it's unbelievably important. And it,

00:40:26.680 for many reasons, uh, when you brought up, I think it's a great teacher of life. I mean,

00:40:30.520 I learned a lot of my best life lessons from sports sports has given me an opportunity to have success and

00:40:36.040 provide for, for my wife and hopefully our kids someday. But as far as the, the cultural aspect

00:40:41.080 of it, where I think sports is most important in the culture is that it needs to be a haven that is

00:40:45.880 not polluted by the divisiveness that we see in every other area of culture, right? I feel like

00:40:51.080 sports is a haven where if I go to a game, I don't want it to be pride night. I don't want it to be

00:40:56.360 hetero night. I don't want it to be, I sit by the stove and rub a balloon night. I want to go to the

00:41:01.640 park to watch a game. We can have bark at the park. That's great. We can have the sisterhood

00:41:06.280 of the poor right out there raising money for charity, but I don't want the sisterhood of,

00:41:09.960 of indulgence or whatever that was that the Dodgers did. Like, like, I feel like,

00:41:14.520 yeah, I feel like some people have tried to hijack sports and we see this on the four letter

00:41:19.160 network on all this to, to put politics into people, to use it as a vehicle to drive their

00:41:24.200 political agenda home. When in, when in reality, sports should be one of the biggest havens we have.

00:41:29.720 When I go to a game and I'm sitting down and my team scores, and I look to the person next to me

00:41:34.920 and they're wearing the same colors that I have on because they're supporting the team.

00:41:38.040 I'm not going to ask them what they think about immigration or abortion. I'm going to high five

00:41:42.520 them. We just scored a touchdown. Please, God, can we get a stop on defense? Like that's what,

00:41:47.480 where I think sports should, should unite us. Sports should not divide us more than I love this

00:41:51.960 team and you love that team. So I don't think it needs to be a cultural spear, right? Unless we're

00:41:56.600 talking about men and women's sports, which is just ridiculous. It's not even political to me.

00:42:00.440 Like it's not political to turn my blinker on when I'm on the interstate. It's just safety.

00:42:04.360 I feel like that should be one of the places we can go where you say, Hey, listen,

00:42:07.560 I know you want to vote for Trump. I know you want to vote for Biden or you hate this group of people

00:42:11.560 or you hate that group of people, but Hey, let's go watch the Ravens game, man. Let's go watch the

00:42:15.400 Ravens and the chiefs. We're Americans at the end of the day. Sports is something that we do best.

00:42:19.320 Uh, I just wish it, it would, it would be more of a Haven for people to come together and not hijacked,

00:42:25.000 especially by the left, in my opinion, to be able to, to force a political agenda home.

00:42:29.320 Well, not only is sports important, not only is it more than just entertainment,

00:42:33.400 but the origins of sports is one of the most important pillars in our society. I mean, think

00:42:37.640 about it. It was, you know, it was the respite for young men when they weren't at war to stay fit,

00:42:43.240 to stay ready during war times. Now, luckily we don't have to deal with that in the same capacity

00:42:48.040 that some of our ancestors did having to always stay at the ready. And so sports is obviously a

00:42:52.680 little bit different. I don't know. We'll see. You see guys getting drunk at the top shelf cheering,

00:42:56.760 cheering at the bills games. I understand that. But for our young men, especially young people,

00:43:01.800 but especially young men and for these sports like football and hockey and sports that have

00:43:06.280 physical consequences when you make a mistake. I mean, that right there can provide a wealth of

00:43:11.880 life lessons that are exponential returns, even as a nine, 10, 11 year old. Now we're going to do a

00:43:17.400 segment on our show this week to talk about the California lawmakers trying to ban tackle football

00:43:22.760 for, for 10 and 11 year olds out there in the golden state. We're going to be talking about that.

00:43:26.920 So make sure you tune into crane and company this week. But when I just, when I think about the first

00:43:31.160 time I played tackle football at 11 years old, and I think about, I still remember Simon Strickland

00:43:36.680 coming off the edge, someone who's bigger than me and weighed more than me. And to understand like

00:43:40.680 the biggest guy on the field can, can hurt you at 11 years old. If you don't do your job and your

00:43:45.320 teammate doesn't do their job. I mean, that right there provided a pillar and a foundation for

00:43:51.080 everything that I was able to accomplish in life, despite not making it to the NFL, despite not doing

00:43:55.880 anything currently today that requires me to be, you know, physical or, or, or to be a bodybuilding

00:44:02.040 champion or something like that. But just the, the idea of knowing what I'm capable, capable of when

00:44:07.320 someone could hurt me physically, if I make a mistake. Well, go ahead. Yeah. I just don't think one,

00:44:12.200 I don't think a football cares what color you are, right? I don't think baseball cares what religion

00:44:16.680 or what you believe in. Um, I think one thing about sports, it brings guys together from so

00:44:21.400 many different backgrounds, so many different places and the, the, the, the friendships and

00:44:27.480 the family that you go through and kind of what you were saying earlier, David, once you get on the

00:44:32.040 field, whether that's a baseball diamond, you get on the football field and you get hit or something

00:44:35.480 like this, there's no one you can go cry to. There's no, you can go run to. You can't go run to

00:44:39.160 mommy. It teaches you life lessons that you're going to have to get back up in life. And we see

00:44:43.320 that in society today, we have someone who one thing goes wrong and they're complaining, getting

00:44:47.400 on social media, getting on this, getting on Twitter. But back in the day, man, you, it's

00:44:52.200 either shit or get off the pot. Right. And that's what you learn in a young lesson. And that carries

00:44:56.280 you through life, man. It gets you to where you want to be in life. Yeah. Well, I, I had a coach one

00:44:59.880 time tell me, and I think this is the best way to put it because we were doing conditioning. It was in the

00:45:03.880 summer. It was hot. Um, we were running one tents and he was like, listen, he's like, we're going

00:45:08.520 to run three more. All right. I know you guys are absolutely worn out, but we're going to run three

00:45:13.240 more. And I'm not doing this to punish you. I'm not doing this because I like to see you suffer

00:45:18.920 at some point for most of you guys, pretty much all of you, you are going to have a wife, children,

00:45:24.680 a mortgage payment, an electric bill, a car payment. And that alarm is going to ring at 630 in the

00:45:30.360 morning. And you're going to have to get your ass up and go to work. And that's what you're going to

00:45:34.120 do because that's what you learned here. When it's hard, when it's tough, when it's not handed to you,

00:45:40.360 you have a responsibility to yourself, to your teammates and your family to go get the job done.

00:45:45.720 And I think that's something that we are lacking in society today. The responsibility, not just of men,

00:45:51.720 but of everybody that when that alarm clock rings at 630 in the morning, I'm getting up and going to work

00:45:56.440 and I'm going to give it my best shot because it's what I do for what I have and who I'm responsible

00:46:01.320 for. And I think that's what sports teaches you. And that's why our show is important on a daily

00:46:05.800 basis for those reasons. Yes, it becomes easier and more clickable whenever there's something in

00:46:11.400 the public news about men being in women's sports or about a star athlete, not standing for the national

00:46:16.600 anthem. And we can hammer that. And that's an intersection that perfectly intersects with the

00:46:21.160 daily wire and sort of the missional statement of our company. But even when those incidents don't

00:46:25.560 happen for all of the reasons that you just heard, the importance of sports, that's why our show is

00:46:29.880 important on a daily basis. Now we spend more time these days talking about sports than we do playing

00:46:34.600 them, but it's important for young men in our society to understand why sports writ large is

00:46:39.800 still an important pillar in our society. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's all well said. I definitely agree

00:46:44.920 with the even just with the racism, you know, I think sports arguably is probably done more to end

00:46:52.680 racism than just about any other outlet out there. Jackie Robinson.

00:46:57.000 Exactly. You know, there, there was the, the, it needed to break through. It needed to happen. But

00:47:01.960 you know, you look at any, any young man's, you know, wall and the posters that he has,

00:47:07.320 a white kid's going to have a black athlete's poster on his wall. A black kid's going to have a white

00:47:13.640 kids or white athletes poster on his wall. Like, I'm not worried about whether or not you're black or

00:47:18.760 white or whatever. Same thing with the military. I don't need to know if you're black. I need to know

00:47:22.120 how well you can shoot because I need to be able to stand right beside you and take care of the

00:47:26.840 enemy. And I think this is what we ought to be focusing on, not immutable characteristics that

00:47:32.520 none of us can control. For sure. And again, that's one of the biggest problems we have.

00:47:36.760 I mean, you're, you're, you're, you're punished or you're glorified for things that nobody has any

00:47:41.480 control over and it's not about merit. And I think people make a mistake. And honestly,

00:47:45.960 I think a lot of, a lot of white people make this mistake is they say, and I heard Nikki say this,

00:47:50.440 Nikki Haley say this the other day. Well, I had black friends growing up. Like that to me is one

00:47:55.160 of the worst ways to put it. Like when I'm, when I'm meeting somebody, the first thing I don't look

00:47:59.720 at and say, oh, it's a black person. I'm going to make them my friends. So people don't think I'm

00:48:03.080 racist. I have friends. I have friends that are, that just happen to be white. I have friends that

00:48:07.400 just happen to be black. I have friends that just happen to be Hispanic. Hell, I have friends that just

00:48:11.400 happen to be Alabama fans. Right. But they're friends with me too. So at the end of the day,

00:48:15.320 I think going about it in, oh, I have this quota of Hispanic friends or see, I'm not racist to me.

00:48:21.320 You're looking at color to start with like what you're compartmentalizing your friends

00:48:24.760 by the color of their skin. No, I have friends. I have teammates. I don't have black teammates.

00:48:29.080 I don't have white teammates. I have teammates. It just, at some point, that's the worst way to

00:48:33.880 go about it. And it's a trap that I think a lot of people fall into. Well, it's also,

00:48:38.040 but you got to be careful though, because now it's also racist if you don't see color. So, you know,

00:48:42.760 you're paying both sides of the fence on this one. You got to be careful with that.

00:48:45.320 You're the head coach of the Patriot. Yeah. Here's how you work around it. You say

00:48:48.360 friends of blackness. You put their personhood first, right? Not black friends, friends of

00:48:53.000 blackness. So look, I'm here to help you guys out. You just, you can lean on me and I'll charge

00:48:57.080 a small consulting fee of $10,000 a pop. Look, I don't care if you're white or black.

00:49:00.680 I'm not going to say that ever. So just be aware of that.

00:49:03.480 Yeah. Catch the ball. Yeah. Can you come down from safety and make a tackle? Yeah,

00:49:10.920 that's exactly right. Yeah. That's exactly right.

00:49:13.800 I think there's another important aspect here and you guys hit on it too, is making sure that

00:49:17.480 we have an outlet for communities of fatherless young men. I hear from guys every single day who

00:49:22.920 are like, Hey, you know, how can I give back? How can, how can I contribute? Go down to your

00:49:27.400 community center and tell them you're willing to coach. Like those community centers need so much

00:49:32.520 help. They don't, a lot of the times that you'd be surprised, you guys may not, because you might be

00:49:37.000 aware of this, how often it's women who are coaching our young boys and nothing against

00:49:42.600 women being involved and wanting to be involved, but we need men to coach them.

00:49:47.000 And then they're just not getting enough men to come in, to contribute, to help and to help lead

00:49:51.960 these young men in the absence of having a father. I didn't have a permanent father figure around a

00:49:55.960 whole lot when I was young, but I had coaches. I got one. I just messaged him. He was my head football

00:50:00.360 coach in high school. 23 years later, him and I are still friends. We're still talking.

00:50:05.000 Um, this was such an integral part of my childhood and one that, you know, I knew his name is Matt

00:50:10.760 Labrum. I knew he cared about us. He loved us, man. He was hard as hell on us. He could give you

00:50:16.440 a look and not say anything. And you knew you were in deep shit, but we knew he always cared about us.

00:50:22.920 Yeah. We used to call that, uh, when my dad would make that foot, we called iron face.

00:50:26.600 Uh, my dad just so happened to play like five years in the NFL. He's 6'2", 240 pound middle linebacker.

00:50:31.320 So, you know, when he made that face, you knew it was, it was not, yeah, it was, yeah,

00:50:35.000 it's exactly right. But here's what I'll say. You need both, right? You need that strong male

00:50:38.920 presence. You need that, that female presence as well to give you kind of the yin and yang a little

00:50:44.040 bit, uh, of it. And I'm going to be honest, there's a lot of cowards out there, man. There's,

00:50:47.720 there's a lot of guys out there that, that just, you know, hit and run honestly, and, and never hang

00:50:51.480 around. And, and to me, that's one of the, the most despicable acts. And it's, it's the biggest

00:50:56.760 problem I think we have in this country is, is father, uh, father absence in the home to not

00:51:02.200 help complete the nuclear family. And, and not even just from a sports standpoint, just from a

00:51:06.760 life standpoint, but the closest you can get involved for some guys is to go down and, and

00:51:10.600 volunteer at the rec to be a coach, to be able to maybe be that male presence in that young man's

00:51:15.640 life that he can look back to and say, well, I used to be able to get away with this, but you know,

00:51:20.360 coach crane, if I do this, he's, he's going to get on me. Maybe I can't play in my basketball game this

00:51:24.840 Thursday. There's consequences for it. You kind of lay that foundation, but yeah, it's a great way

00:51:29.160 to give back. And even at the college level, um, you know, being able to recruit guys that there's

00:51:34.040 a story. Um, there's a kid we signed when, when I was coaching out of, uh, New Orleans, uh, in the

00:51:38.840 ninth ward who literally went down there on our official visit to his official visit, came up.

00:51:44.360 Then we went down to his house, had dirt floors, no father. Um, mom was addicted to drugs. Was,

00:51:50.360 wasn't even there. He had 40 younger brothers and sisters. He was the oldest,

00:51:53.880 didn't play football his junior year because he'd have to come home and take care of his brother

00:51:57.720 and sister goes and plays his senior year, ends up getting recruited, comes out of nothing is a three

00:52:04.040 year all conference player in the sunbelt. And now he's the vice president of a concrete company

00:52:09.400 in new Orleans and is making six figures and has totally changed the trajectory of his family.

00:52:15.240 Cause he got that opportunity, right? Because he was, he, he took that chance and that's what sports

00:52:20.040 gave him. And that's what the coaches and the men who were able to mold him at that high school.

00:52:24.920 And then in college gave him that opportunity or Lord knows what he'd be doing. So I, I mean,

00:52:29.480 I agree with you a hundred percent. That's a great example that men constantly should

00:52:32.920 work on improving themselves, right? One of Jordan Peterson's initial 12 rules is

00:52:37.560 treat yourself like someone you're responsible for, because if you get your own life in order,

00:52:42.680 everyone else around the community or the younger siblings in your family are looking to you.

00:52:47.640 So sometimes when I think about myself and my situation, how can I best help the world?

00:52:52.120 Maybe it's as simple as making sure that I've gotten my own life together. And I have one son

00:52:56.840 right now, I'm about to have two daughters, but for sure with my one son to raise him in such a way

00:53:01.640 that he becomes a man and that he is a responsible member of society. Maybe that single act is the best

00:53:07.240 thing that I can do for the entire world. If everyone else follows suit, what a planet it would be for sure.

00:53:12.440 Well, I mean, I, one of the things I tell the guys is, and, and this is met with sometimes

00:53:17.560 some criticism and can at times be controversial is you're, you need to get as wealthy as you

00:53:21.800 possibly can be. You need to get out of debt. You need to make as much money as you possibly can

00:53:25.880 in a, in a virtuous way. Uh, because when you have money, you're able to go coach the teams.

00:53:31.800 You're able to donate to charity. My, my oldest son, uh, his, this community is starting a lacrosse

00:53:37.640 program and, uh, they're just getting geared up. They're trying to get gear and equipment

00:53:41.720 for their kids. I'm in a position where I can donate. I can't donate a bunch of time,

00:53:45.320 but I can donate some money to make sure these kids have the equipment they need,

00:53:48.600 but that's not going to happen if you aren't building wealth. So I wholeheartedly agree with

00:53:52.360 that. Fix yourself. It gives the opportunity to fix the environment around you.

00:53:55.800 Well, I used to do something with, with my DB, DB room, whenever we'd have guys come in,

00:54:00.680 younger guys, the older guys already knew, and they had been in the culture. The first thing I

00:54:04.120 should tell them is every day when you wake up, the first thing you're going to do is make your bed.

00:54:08.600 That that's what you're going to do. That's the first thing you're going to do. And I'd go

00:54:11.720 first three weeks and check and see when they got up, where they went to class, where they're coming

00:54:15.640 to meetings, was that bed made? Because it's a very good starting point on getting yourself

00:54:20.120 organized and being responsible for something. And it's amazing. You would see guys who maybe came

00:54:24.360 from backgrounds where they weren't asked to be super responsible. Maybe it's something they're not

00:54:28.280 used to. It's amazing what a little act like that can do to move you forward. And when you talk about

00:54:33.080 accumulating wealth, I agree with you a hundred percent. It's a lot easier to change things

00:54:37.320 when I'm able to help you out and give you opportunities. Well, to get opportunities,

00:54:40.920 you need money. Like let's, we live in the real world. It's 2024. You need money to do things.

00:54:46.200 And like you said, you do it in a virtuous way. But even on top of that, I want to acquire wealth

00:54:50.360 because I want my kids to have it better than I had it. You don't want to spoil them. Obviously,

00:54:54.280 there's ways that you teach, but I want to accumulate wealth because I want to be able to give my wife,

00:54:58.840 my son, my daughter, my dogs, the other members of my family. I want to leave it better than I found

00:55:05.080 it. And I think that's something where, you know, me and you are wholeheartedly 100% in agreement

00:55:10.520 because then there's the offshoot of the charity of the being able to coach of, hey, we can finally

00:55:14.840 get the lacrosse gear so these guys can go out and compete. And even if it changes one person,

00:55:19.000 even if it helps one person, it's totally worth it. Yeah. I love hearing you guys bring up the

00:55:22.840 importance of money. It reminds me of something that I read one time that said,

00:55:26.120 go out in life and make a million dollars, not for the money, but for what it will make of you

00:55:32.360 to achieve that. I mean, think about it. If you're able to go make a million dollars,

00:55:35.880 that's a lot of money, you're clearly capable in many respects. I mean, like you said, it should go

00:55:40.760 without saying that you're getting that money in a morally right way and in a responsible way,

00:55:45.160 or else it circumvents the point that I'm trying to make anyway. But if you're able to scale a business

00:55:50.120 or to have a skillset that warrants someone giving you a million dollars over time,

00:55:55.080 then clearly you've developed something that is worth offering the world.

00:55:58.280 Well, I think all of you are right. And I think making a bunch of money can

00:56:02.440 bring a lot of change. But I do think just the littlest things, even if you don't make a lot

00:56:06.440 of money, being there for those kids is just what matters most. I feel like a lot of kids just have

00:56:11.720 nobody there to look to, to ask questions, just to figure things out. And once you're alone,

00:56:17.080 once you hit that depression by yourself, man, that room starts to squeeze and it starts to squeeze

00:56:20.920 pretty quick. So the littlest thing I've loved coaching, it's one of the probably the favorite

00:56:24.600 thing I do in life, just being there for a kid and just helping him on his journey to what he's

00:56:29.320 going to be. But a lot of these kids don't have that. So even if you don't make a lot of money,

00:56:32.920 man, and even, you know, you work at McDonald's, if you have a chance to go coach some kid

00:56:38.440 at a gym, at a rec center, go do because I promise you, he don't care where you work at,

00:56:42.440 he just cares that you're there.

00:56:43.560 Hmm. One of the, one of the funny things I hear is a lot of guys that say, like, I'll ask for an

00:56:47.960 assistant coach and, you know, from the parents, the kids that are involved and they're like,

00:56:50.840 ah, I don't, I don't have any experience. I'm like, bro, they're nine. Can you hold that bag?

00:56:55.240 Yeah. I'm not asking you to be Phil Jackson, dude. I just need you to be there, bring some Capri

00:57:01.240 sons and make sure they're doing what they're supposed to do.

00:57:03.240 That's right. That's right. Well guys, what's next on the docket for you specifically for Daily Wire?

00:57:08.200 Obviously, you know, the thing I, and I talked with, uh, with, with a lot of you guys about this,

00:57:12.600 with the Daily Wire is I love that you're leading the cultural charge from entertainment to sports,

00:57:18.520 to political commentary, to culture commentary. Now there's, uh, Bent Key, which is, uh, kids

00:57:23.640 entertainment. So what's next? What do you guys got going on? Well, I mean, there's so many things

00:57:29.080 that, that, you know, the Daily Wire is doing right now to, to help, you know, fight those culture

00:57:33.880 wars and, and try and restore some, some balance to the forces. As I say, you know, you brought up

00:57:39.000 the Children's Network. We have our sports show that continues to grow and, and get the word out

00:57:43.560 there and, and popularity. Obviously you look at what's coming out with Snow White coming down the

00:57:47.720 pipe this year, Penn Dragon, which they just got done. And I'm sure we will have something, um,

00:57:52.840 cooking up outside of obviously just the, uh, the sports show that we do. But no, I mean, it's, um,

00:57:58.120 again, it's, I feel like, and you look at Jeremy's razors and, and the chocolates and stuff like that.

00:58:03.160 The coolest thing about this place is it's not necessarily, at least in my opinion, uh,

00:58:10.120 just going out there to do something, to do it. It's the opportunity that presents itself.

00:58:14.280 Who knows what's going to happen tomorrow? What craziness the Daily Wire is going to have to go

00:58:17.640 out here and fix something. You know, they're remaking the Wizard of Oz. I don't know to,

00:58:21.400 to be equitable or whatever it is. I don't know. Maybe you got to make one of those, but with the Daily

00:58:25.560 Wire, I promise you this going to keep growing, going to keep doing it the right way and going and

00:58:29.560 fighting on fronts that need to be fought on and stuff that needs to be preserved the way of life

00:58:34.040 that we were used to growing up and, you know, with sports and things like that, and being able

00:58:37.640 to watch SportsCenter three times in a row without feeling like you're a terrible person because of

00:58:41.560 what you believe in. So with the Daily Wire, I mean, David, who knows what's next? The moon.

00:58:46.760 That's my favorite part about being with the Daily Wire is that you can be a Renaissance man here.

00:58:52.120 You can, you can wear multiple hats. I mean, we can come in and talk about sports and culture or politics.

00:58:57.160 We can act in a movie. We can record new music. Like that is celebrated here. And as long as it

00:59:02.600 aligns with the missional statement of this company, then it's always fully supported.

00:59:07.080 And so we hope to be doing this for quite a while here. And please check out Crane & Company on a

00:59:11.160 daily basis. We got the Super Bowl coming up, conference championships coming up. So a lot of

00:59:16.040 exciting things. Hey man, all that's great. I'm just trying to hit a three leg parlay to be honest.

00:59:24.440 Awesome guys. We'll tell everybody how to connect with you.

00:59:26.360 Obviously Crane & Company, anywhere else you want to direct the guys. And then also

00:59:29.800 the movie Lady Ballers is out as well. So we want to make sure we plug for that.

00:59:33.800 Definitely. You can find us, just go to dailywire.com. You can find us there. We live

00:59:39.000 stream every morning. We're live from 6.30 a.m. to 8.00 a.m. Central, 7.30 a.m. to 9.00 a.m. Eastern.

00:59:44.280 I'm not smart enough to know any other time zones other than that. So if you live in another one,

00:59:47.480 I'll let you connect the dots. Obviously we're on YouTube and Rumble and all that, Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

00:59:52.520 Go check out Lady Ballers at Daily Wire Plus. Again, it's had a ton of success. We're really

00:59:56.760 excited about it. Like I said, I want to do it again, but we take live calls. We have a live

01:00:00.920 chat. We call our audience the Booster Club. It's a group of great people that keeps growing

01:00:05.480 by the minute. And yeah, I think if maybe, you know, the best compliment we get, I think,

01:00:10.200 in my opinion, is from people who are like, man, I gave up on sports when it got so political,

01:00:14.760 but you guys brought me back into it because I have a place I can go to where, yeah, we may talk

01:00:18.680 about why men shouldn't be in women's sports, right? But you're going to get the old school sports show

01:00:22.760 that you grew up where when you tune in, it's going to be about sports, right? And I think that's

01:00:27.560 something that that's been missing. So yeah, man, check us out. It's a, it's a good time. We laugh,

01:00:31.800 we scream, Blaine cries. I'm a dragon on Fridays. Yeah, Blaine's a dragon on Fridays. We have

01:00:36.840 Flamin' Dragon Fridays. That's good right now. It's a good time. Right on, guys. We'll sync it all up. I

01:00:42.200 appreciate you. Keep up the good work and we'll keep promoting what you guys are doing because I

01:00:45.320 think it's crucial, not only in sports, but in culture in general. So appreciate the work you're

01:00:49.400 doing. Hey, you too, man. Appreciate it. You're doing what you're doing. I think we're all in

01:00:53.480 this together trying to push to a result that brings, again, some balance back to the force.

01:00:57.800 And it's unbelievably important. And thanks so much for having us on and to all your audience out

01:01:02.120 there, man. Welcome to it. Gentlemen, there you go. My conversation with the one, only Jake Crane,

01:01:08.840 Blaine Crane, and David Cohn. I think that's the first time I had three

01:01:12.040 guests. I've done two in the past. I've never done three. I think it went pretty well,

01:01:15.960 but I'd love to hear from you. Hopefully it was relevant. Hopefully you guys got some good

01:01:20.520 information from it and it was pertinent and it'll help you serve your families, your communities,

01:01:25.880 your neighbors a little bit more effectively. That's my goal here. So please make sure you check

01:01:30.440 them out. Crane and Company is the name of their podcast and YouTube channel. And of course,

01:01:35.560 check out Lady Ballers, which is hilarious. It's not only is it a funny movie,

01:01:41.400 it's, I think it's funny because it hits on something that is not only so disturbing,

01:01:46.680 but it's also so true. And it, it, it's, it's absolutely ridiculous what's happening in,

01:01:51.720 in the world of sports by letting men play with women and all sorts of crazy stuff. So

01:01:56.360 it mocks that it makes fun of it and it does it in a humorous way and also an intelligent way.

01:02:00.440 And these are the types of conversations that we need to be having. So check it out,

01:02:03.880 Lady Ballers and Crane and Company. Also check out our Battle Ready program at orderofman.com

01:02:09.100 slash battle ready. And those are your marching orders. Actually two more things. Number one,

01:02:14.220 take a screenshot, post it up wherever you're doing the social thing, tag me, tag the guys over

01:02:19.260 at Crane and Company. And then also just go ahead real quick and leave a rating and review wherever

01:02:23.660 you listen to your podcast. I think we've got about 9,000 reviews or something like that.

01:02:28.660 We'd love to bump that up. So if we can get up to 10,000 in the next several months,

01:02:32.820 that would be much appreciated. And if everyone just goes in there and takes a minute or two and

01:02:36.820 leaves that review, we'll hit that in the next seven days. So it should happen pretty quickly.

01:02:42.540 All right, guys, I appreciate you. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for applying this information.

01:02:47.300 Let's go out there, take action and become the man we are meant to be.

01:02:51.780 Thank you for listening to the Order of Man podcast. You're ready to take charge of your life

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Order of Man - February 27, 2024

Saving the West Through Culture, Entertainment, and Sports ｜ JAKE & BLAIN CRAIN & DAVID CONE

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