Order of Man - SHAWN RYAN ｜ Do Something About It

00:00:00.000 It's easy to get caught up in complaining without moving into the next logical step,

00:00:05.320 solutions. Let's be honest, there is a lot to complain about in today's cultural and political

00:00:10.800 climate, but unless we're willing to do something about the injustices we see in society,

00:00:16.020 complaining is nothing more than empty gestures and platitudes. It was Plato who said the price

00:00:21.580 good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. Today, I'm joined by

00:00:28.060 former Navy SEAL and CIA contractor and also cultural podcast host, Sean Ryan. We talk about

00:00:34.800 why politics and entertainment seem to be more about creating controversy than anything else,

00:00:40.440 the hypocrisy in elected officials on both sides of the aisle, the impending danger of an open U.S.

00:00:46.600 border and Chinese globalization, raising kids in positivity, and why instead of simply complaining,

00:00:53.800 we must be willing and able to do something about it.

00:00:56.760 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart

00:01:01.640 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You are not

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00:01:14.400 This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call

00:01:19.600 yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler. I'm your host and the

00:01:24.920 founder of the Order of Man podcast and movement. Welcome here and welcome back. If you're new today,

00:01:31.140 this is a podcast dedicated to having conversations with incredible men, period, full stop. That is

00:01:38.700 what we do here. We have conversations with men who are successful, scholars, athletes, authors,

00:01:46.060 warriors, you name it. If they've had some level of success in their life, I'm having conversations

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00:02:09.540 general. And this is the right place for you. Now I've got a good one with my friend, Sean Ryan

00:02:13.540 today. I was introduced to him years ago through another friend. And we finally made this happen

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00:02:52.160 order of man.com slash iron council. All right, guys, let me introduce you to Sean. He is,

00:02:58.800 as I said earlier, a former Navy SEAL and CIA contractor. Sean served with 14 years of combat

00:03:05.340 experience, over 20 deployments in 14 different areas of operation. And he has since founded

00:03:12.100 vigilance elite in 2015. So he could provide training to civil, uh, civilians and the law enforcement

00:03:19.060 community. And he has also become a powerful, powerful voice of reasonable sound, cultural

00:03:26.160 commentary on everything from open U S borders, Chinese globalization, drug and human trap, human

00:03:33.040 trafficking. And even as we talk about in this podcast, global warming solutions. So guys, I hope

00:03:40.000 you enjoy this one as much as I did. Sean, what's up, brother? Thanks for joining me on the podcast.

00:03:45.560 Yeah. Thanks for having me, Ryan. I really appreciate it. You get some amazing guests on

00:03:50.000 here. So it's, it's an honor to be here talking to you. Yeah. Every once in a while, we have to

00:03:53.800 make an exception and bring somebody like yourself on in the midst of our other amazing guests.

00:04:00.400 No, man. We're, I'm glad to have you. It's funny. I was, um, this was probably, I think this was two

00:04:06.600 years ago. I was, I was on a hunt in Minnesota, which is a hunt I do every year. And I was driving

00:04:12.740 back to the airport with my buddy and he was like, Hey, have you heard this show? And I was like,

00:04:17.300 what is it? And he's like, it's the Sean Ryan podcast. And I was like, Oh no, I don't think

00:04:21.480 I've heard it. Or maybe I'd heard of you or something. And he put it on and I was hooked,

00:04:26.600 man. From the, from, from the, from the get-go, I was hooked. It's just what you do and the

00:04:31.460 conversations you have and the guests you bring on are absolutely incredible, man. Thank you. I, I,

00:04:36.740 I really appreciate that, man. That means a lot. I listened to yours too. And the first one I listened to

00:04:41.600 was your interview with Dan Crenshaw. Oh yeah. And, uh, it went, it did not go as I is expected.

00:04:47.980 I thought it was really, it was a phenomenal interview. How, how, so what did you, what did

00:04:52.620 you expect? And then where, where did it go? Like, what did you, I was expecting, I like how you kept

00:04:57.320 it balanced and you didn't do the outrage stuff. You know, usually if it's, if it's going to be with

00:05:01.720 a political guy, then it's a lot of outrage and, and, and I would say very divisive and, and I,

00:05:11.600 you guys just conducted that interview with class and I don't think there's a lot of class

00:05:15.540 out there anymore, especially in the political, in the political realm, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I

00:05:22.000 won't, I don't, why, why do you think that is? Do you think it's more prevalent than, than it was

00:05:26.780 before or than it's ever been that, that people just can't disagree with some level of at least

00:05:32.940 mutual respect? I mean, I don't have to agree with you, but we can have some mutual respect towards

00:05:36.940 our disagreement. I think it, yeah, I got a lot of theories on this, but I mean, it's just

00:05:44.460 when you create controversy, you know, everybody knows that it, it, it, it, it gets a lot of

00:05:49.720 attention no matter what the controversy is. And I think that the politicians have been conditioned

00:05:57.040 to think that, especially, especially I see it a lot from the younger generation that's coming

00:06:03.360 into politics, you know, they build a big social media following. I, it's almost like they're more

00:06:07.940 concentrated on that than they are on, you know, being a political figure and doing what's best for

00:06:13.400 the country is building their following. And then, and then they start with that outrage stuff. And,

00:06:18.380 you know, unfortunately, Ryan, a lot of people, you know, are followers and not leaders. And they

00:06:25.940 just, whatever somebody says they're going with it, you know, and, and we see it in the headlines.

00:06:30.980 We see it with the political thing. We see it with everybody. It's outrage, outrage, outrage. And

00:06:35.420 I'm hoping, you know, that's starting to change. And like with guys like you, you know, having that

00:06:41.180 conversation with Crenshaw and, and you actually, you guys put my mind at ease with a lot of stuff,

00:06:46.640 you know, um, especially with like, I remember at one point in that conversation, you guys were

00:06:52.660 talking about Crenshaw brought up, like, I think everybody thinks we go into like this secret chamber and,

00:06:58.120 and, you know, and he's like, that's not, you know, that's not how it is. And to hear somebody

00:07:05.200 say it, you know what I mean? It, it, it's good. You guys, I thought that was a great interview.

00:07:11.000 I listened to it twice.

00:07:12.560 He's, he's interesting because I, I, I don't agree with Dan on, on everything. I mean, it would be weird

00:07:18.760 if you agreed with somebody on everything, that'd be kind of a weird thing. Uh, but I think he does a

00:07:24.980 pretty good job explaining himself. You know, if you, if you listen to his videos, but he gets

00:07:30.940 frankly, and I'm going to get blasted for this. He gets thrown under the bus by Republicans a lot,

00:07:39.860 uh, for being a rhino, you know, all these kinds of terms that people throw around. And if you actually

00:07:46.920 ask him about his political insight or his, his commentary on a specific bill, like if you actually

00:07:54.760 spent any amount of time, like, Hey, why this, why that, why this? It's actually pretty insightful.

00:08:00.660 And you're like, okay, that makes, that makes sense. The problem is most citizens don't take

00:08:07.800 the time to do it. And also they don't have access to some of these people like you and I have. And so,

00:08:13.280 you know, I give a benefit of the doubt, but you're right. Everybody just loves to be outraged

00:08:16.360 about things without looking into it. Yeah. You know, I don't, I don't agree with them on

00:08:21.960 everything either. You know, I don't agree with really anybody with everything, just like you were

00:08:26.600 saying, but you know, you, you have to be willing to, you have to be willing to listen, you know,

00:08:32.180 to somebody, if you're going to resolve anything. And then about the rhino stuff, you know, I can't

00:08:37.400 keep tabs on all these politicians, everybody, you know, there's a new rhino seems like every,

00:08:42.920 every day. And half the time you ask these people, well, like, why is he a rhino? And they can't

00:08:48.780 answer the question, you know, or what is a rhino? And they can't answer the question. And, uh, and it's

00:08:55.180 just, it's just people regurgitating the shit that they've been told, you know, or they read on,

00:09:00.680 on social media or a headline, you know, and, and these headlines like are all bogus. Now,

00:09:08.700 if you read the articles are completely different than the headline.

00:09:12.680 Well, I heard something, uh, I think it was just this morning as I was driving into the gym,

00:09:17.920 it was, uh, well, I'll say it this way. All politicians at the end of the day seem to be

00:09:24.260 about the same. You know, there are some people who, who I think are different, who are actually

00:09:28.860 fighting for American citizens, but they're few and far between. But at the end of the day,

00:09:34.960 Republicans want to spend money just as much as Democrats. Everybody wants to go to war.

00:09:39.660 Like it's just, it's a wild thing to me. And then I heard Mitch McConnell cause, uh,

00:09:45.040 Zelensky just arrived in DC yesterday. Yeah. In his, in his tracksuit, which I'm like,

00:09:52.100 that's actually like, it's really disrespectful, but also pretty awesome. Like if I'm,

00:09:57.300 if I'm coming to the white house in my tracksuit, I'm like, yeah, that's pretty awesome.

00:10:04.400 But, uh, I, I heard Mitch McConnell say, and again, it was just a quote. So I want to hear

00:10:10.340 the rest of it, but he said the aid to Ukraine, cause we're giving them what billions of dollars.

00:10:17.700 I think it's another $1.7 billion or something. The aid to Ukraine is the most pressing concern

00:10:24.920 for America right now. And I was like, really? Like the most pressing concern, not our borders,

00:10:32.620 not the fentanyl crisis, not like that. Like the aid to Ukraine is the number one concern.

00:10:39.300 And I just can't help but think that these people with another, what is it? $1.8 trillion.

00:10:46.340 They just passed another $1.8 trillion budget package. Like it's ridiculous. It's insane.

00:10:53.260 And they're all in it together. Yeah. I, I know, man, it's,

00:10:58.420 I don't understand. I don't understand anything that's happening, you know, on really on, on either

00:11:07.020 side of the aisle. Like it's just what's up is down. What's left is right. And, you know,

00:11:13.460 I think another thing that is really bad in this country is hypocrisy. You know, it's getting worse

00:11:19.400 and worse and worse. And, you know, I tend to lean more towards the conservative side,

00:11:27.100 which also means I'm going to be the hardest on the conservative side, you know, in the fucking

00:11:32.720 hypocrisy that I see coming out of the conservative side is, I just can't believe it. You know, it's,

00:11:38.880 it's, it's so bad that I'm reregistering as an independent now. Hmm. What are there specific

00:11:44.900 issues that you think that, that have this hypocrisy built into it that, that you're,

00:11:51.720 you're talking about or the specific cases or specific situations? Just, um, yeah, I could give

00:11:57.940 you some specifics. Like, let's take, for example, let's rewind, I don't know, two years, you know,

00:12:04.320 and when COVID was kind of first coming out, the, the mass mandates were, were, you know, going

00:12:10.540 nation worldwide. And there was a, I don't know who it was. It might've been Cardi B or someone along

00:12:17.540 those. It was somebody like that or her. And she had come out with something. And she basically said,

00:12:23.560 I think she was pro mask or something like that. And all the conservatives got all pissed off. And

00:12:28.940 what do you always hear? LeBron James gets up Cardi B, whoever name it, a celebrity that comes up

00:12:36.260 and, and they, they express their opinion. And what do all conservatives do? We don't give a shit.

00:12:42.600 What you have to say, get back on the court and play basketball or get back on the stage and sing,

00:12:46.680 or get back over there and dance or go shake your ass or whatever your, your, your talent is. Right.

00:12:52.760 But the, the, but so then fast forward a month and that same person who was get off the stage,

00:13:01.540 we don't want to hear what you have to say, dance, you know, sing, play basketball, play football,

00:13:07.220 whatever it's, then it was, she was anti-vax. And so then what you saw was, you know, a 30, 60,

00:13:14.760 I don't know, 90, a month, a couple months had passed. Then all of a sudden, every fucking

00:13:21.140 conservative on the planet wants to hear what she has to say because she, you know what I mean?

00:13:27.760 Because she's, she's talking about something that they believe in now. So now all of a sudden,

00:13:32.440 everybody wants to hear what she has to say and everybody backs her, you know, and you see it,

00:13:37.120 you just see it over and over and over again. I don't, I don't give a shit what these celebrities

00:13:41.700 have to say. I don't care. Nobody's, nobody wants to hear their opinion. Guess what? Then,

00:13:47.360 you know, Joe Biden, Joe Biden, here's another one. Joe Biden is a, you know, he's senile old man.

00:13:53.940 He's not with it. I don't think he's with it. I don't care. You know, I'll say it. Yeah,

00:13:58.440 no, I don't think he's there. I think he's gone. And I don't want to hear what he has to say.

00:14:05.000 And 90% of the time it pisses me off, but that's what everybody says, right? Oh, he's unfit for duty.

00:14:11.540 He's unfit to lead the United States of America. Why are we listening? Can't even put a sentence together.

00:14:17.360 He's, he's, he's got dementia. Then they put Kanye West on who is what a diagnosed schizophrenic

00:14:25.500 on Tucker Carlson, literally mentally disturbed, but we diagnosed fucking diagnosed, dude. But we

00:14:33.280 don't want to hear what Biden has to say because he's not mentally fit. So let's bring the fucking

00:14:37.540 schizophrenic on Tucker Carlson and listen to what he has to say. Yeah, that's a good, that's a really

00:14:43.960 point. Well, and then the other thing I've noticed we do too is like Cardi B or Kanye or any of these

00:14:51.060 people, they'll, they'll say one thing that maybe is a more politically conservative ideology or

00:15:00.660 statement. And then the conservative side of the aisle will turn them into their new savior. It's

00:15:07.520 like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, hold up. That person said something I agree with, which is

00:15:12.460 great. That's fine. You know, I can agree with that person, but they are not the new symbol of the

00:15:17.240 conservative party just because they happen to say one thing that made some sense to you.

00:15:22.160 Yeah, we do it. We prop them up and then we're let down when they go back to their woke ideology.

00:15:27.620 It's like, yeah, they were always that they were always that it's like, did anybody, did anybody do

00:15:33.400 a background check on this guy or read the second sentence of the article? No, you know, and it's,

00:15:39.840 it's, it's, it's a joke, man. And it's on, it's on, I think it's definitely on both sides. You know,

00:15:48.500 I'm just, like I said, I'm hard on conservatives because that's the side that I lean on. And we used

00:15:53.000 to be, you know, we used to, man, everything's just changed, Ryan. You know, we used to be

00:16:00.300 not loud and we put our money where our mouth is. And we, we, I feel like a lot of times we took the

00:16:09.280 high road. You know, I do, I feel like that. And, and, uh, I felt like the conservative side was always

00:16:14.660 quieter and, and had a certain amount of class to it. Well, we can't say that shit anymore. You know,

00:16:21.780 we can't, we can't, you know, and I mean, all those riots and stuff that were happening,

00:16:27.480 all the BLM and Antifa shit that was happening in what 2020 timeframe, 2019. Yeah. Whenever it was

00:16:35.000 my timeline, 2021, maybe somewhere in there. Yeah. Yeah. I think it started happening before

00:16:41.260 20 before that's right. Because, because you could, you could go as COVID restrictions didn't matter if

00:16:48.460 you were going to write for the quote unquote, right reasons. You remember this? Yeah. Oh yeah.

00:16:53.420 But, you know, then we saw J six happen, you know, and it's, it's, you know, that's a divisive

00:16:59.740 subject, but it did happen. And it, it was, you know, some sort of a riot, you know, whatever you want

00:17:06.140 to label that day as it shouldn't have happened. And now we're, we can't say that we take the high

00:17:14.840 road because conservative, you know, that was, I mean, that's not all conservatives, but you know

00:17:20.920 what I'm saying? That's not all Democrats, you know, that are in the streets rioting. And that's

00:17:25.700 not all conservatives that stormed the Capitol that day. And whether you, whether you like what

00:17:32.200 happened, whether you didn't like what happened, it doesn't matter. It did happen. And it wasn't

00:17:37.420 the best, you know what I mean? It wasn't the high road. And so now it's, you got that too.

00:17:42.080 That's, you know, another hypocritical point that I'm, that I'm, that I'm trying to bring to light

00:17:47.460 is it's just, people are just going to do whatever they're told to, you know, whatever, you know what

00:17:54.240 I'm getting at, whatever they're told to, whatever they're told to believe, or if somebody is going

00:17:58.860 to, um, reinforce your way of thinking or your beliefs, it's all good. But the minute that

00:18:04.940 person reinforces something that you don't believe they're the biggest piece of shit in the world.

00:18:10.720 I think what, what you're saying is, is right. But also some of the, the verbiage that you're using

00:18:16.120 is where we run into a problem. It's an accurate reflection of what's going on, but it's like,

00:18:20.780 we, this, we, that they, this, they, that. And I think one of the biggest issues from,

00:18:25.380 from where I sit is this two-party system where, you know, I'm just going to fall into a camp

00:18:32.920 and regardless of what they say, even if it's the dumbest shit you've ever heard,

00:18:38.460 Hey, that's my team. Got to support them. It's like, no, you don't. And you shouldn't.

00:18:43.360 And that's why I actually, I don't know that I believe some of these people, but you have

00:18:52.120 like Tulsi Gabbard. There was another, another person that just shifted away from the democratic

00:19:00.220 party and became an independent. I don't know that I totally believe them, but also I like that

00:19:08.440 because hopefully maybe it'll move towards a trend where we actually vet our political elected officials

00:19:18.620 instead of just voting party or straight line ticket. And that's, that's the problem. It's

00:19:23.420 identity politics. No, you're, I'm a hundred percent agree with you. And that's, that's why

00:19:29.180 I'm, I'm going to read it as an independent. Cause I think there are good things with both parties.

00:19:34.940 And then I think there's bad things with both parties. I think, um, I think the majority of

00:19:41.120 things right now are bad with both parties, you know, but, um, and I, I know what you're saying,

00:19:47.160 all these people, do you think those are publicity stunts? I do people switching parties. Cause it's

00:19:53.580 somebody switches a party and then, and then they go on 50 podcasts to let everybody know

00:19:59.140 that they switched parties. And it's like, that's great. Are you going to do any work

00:20:04.320 or are you just going to tell my podcast and tell everybody that you switch parties?

00:20:09.200 That's a great, I mean, you're, you're talking about Tulsi Gabbard right now. Like she switched

00:20:13.120 parties and then she did the podcast tour with, with actually, I would, I would assume

00:20:17.200 some mutual friends, you know, that we have. And I'm like, I don't know if I totally believe

00:20:21.860 this gal. Like, I, I don't know if this is legitimate. I don't know if this is a wolf

00:20:27.160 in sheep's clothing or at least trying to be, I, maybe it's just a general disdain and level

00:20:31.840 of distrust for our politicians. That makes me feel that way, but I'm not convinced this other

00:20:36.860 one. I wish I could, I wish I could remember who it was. Uh, uh, Ben Shapiro brought up a good

00:20:42.720 point and he said that it was, it was good for her to make a switch to the independent party

00:20:47.300 because she wouldn't be challenged in her own primary, uh, by, by, uh, another Democrat and

00:20:54.420 she could register as independent and let that person win or something. And she could beat him

00:20:59.240 in a general election, but not in a primary. It was something like that. So it was political

00:21:02.740 gamesmanship as opposed to no, I really don't believe in this party anymore. And that's why

00:21:07.520 I'm making this shipped away. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I, yeah, I think there's a lot of people

00:21:13.560 that are seeing what's going on and they're, and they're changing things up and, and switching

00:21:20.580 their circle of influence or whatever you want to call it, their political party. But yeah, I'm with

00:21:25.640 you. You know, it's, it's just, everybody knows what a dirty game it is now. The cat's out of the

00:21:31.920 bag. Yeah. You've had some interesting people on your podcast. I mean, these are like border,

00:21:37.180 border patrol agents and, uh, uh, LEOs. I mean, just some incredible people that have had

00:21:43.840 that, that you would never meet or hear of otherwise. Are there some podcasts guests that

00:21:50.860 really resonated with you or talked about an issue that's flying under the radar that more of us need

00:21:57.380 to be aware of instead of being distracted by this political gamesmanship we've been talking about?

00:22:03.640 Man, a lot of good guests. Um, they're all, they all moved me in one way or another,

00:22:09.600 but I would say, I don't know how under the radar this is. Um, cause I kind of quit watching

00:22:16.200 mainstream, but I did this interview with this guy, Peter Schweitzer, um, last year around this time.

00:22:23.440 And basically what he did was uncover a ton of the corruption that between our, our politicians

00:22:33.680 and China and how China's influencing athletes, big tech education system, our politicians, everybody.

00:22:42.700 And he talks, it's not just, Hey, you know, these guys are bought by China. He goes into exactly,

00:22:48.920 exactly what deals that each person has with the Chinese, with the CCP and, and, and how they're

00:22:56.500 getting the money and, and all of that. And that was very eyeopening. And he went on all the news

00:23:03.820 channels and all the news channels covered was Joe Biden and Hunter Biden corruption, which you don't

00:23:11.960 have to look far to find that. Right. But what he did do, what else he did is, is what I really like

00:23:17.480 about him is he kept it balanced. You know, it didn't appear to be balanced. He wrote a book called

00:23:21.780 red handed with all this stuff in it, because that's all that the media wanted to cover was Joe

00:23:26.420 Biden and Hunter Biden. Well, everybody was in there from Zuckerberg or Google to Elon Musk, to, uh, Nancy

00:23:35.220 Pelosi to, um, Mitch McConnell. It was very balanced. It was, it was conservative politicians. It was left

00:23:45.040 politicians. And the point of all of it was everybody is being bought out one way or another

00:23:52.180 by China. And, um, with, with, with, with all the, the insider information, you know, it wasn't,

00:23:59.320 it wasn't just a headline. It was everything. And, um, that, I mean, it's depressing, you know what I

00:24:08.160 mean? But it's scary people that people need to hear this stuff. And, um, so basically what they're

00:24:14.740 doing with a lot of these guys and women is they're creating businesses for them. Cause in the, in China,

00:24:22.920 you know, it's communist, uh, Chinese communist party, anything, any business can be ripped from

00:24:29.600 you immediately. You know, they control everything. So what they'll do is they'll build these guys a

00:24:34.060 business like McConnell has a big shipping company. His wife's Chinese built their shipping company.

00:24:41.000 China has a supply chain pretty much hammered down for the U S right. So a shipping company would be big,

00:24:47.060 big, big money, you know, from all the shipping going back and forth from China in the U S

00:24:52.400 well, if Mitch McConnell doesn't do what China wants him to do, well, guess what?

00:24:59.720 They shut it down. That business is gone. Done, you know, and that's how it's done. And then,

00:25:05.600 you know, take big tech guys, you know, Musk, Zuckerberg, uh, anybody in anybody in the AI world,

00:25:14.020 especially Google, what they build on these chip factories over there because, you know,

00:25:19.460 you know, you know how it is. I mean, just a small business, all the red tape, getting a small

00:25:23.680 business up. Who do I own taxes to? I didn't even know I owed that tax. It's a pain in the ass,

00:25:28.680 right? I mean, by design about, yeah. So think about it on a mass scale on something like Tesla

00:25:35.820 or SpaceX or Google or Facebook or in any major core Amazon, you know, well then you can go to China

00:25:42.760 and China's like, Oh yeah, you don't have to do any of that shit over here. We'll just build you a chip

00:25:47.500 factory. Well, under Chinese law, anything that can help, that can help Chinese government,

00:25:55.080 which is anything, right? You have to disclose what you found. So all these research labs and

00:26:01.880 these chip factories and, and, um, I'm having a brain fart here, but Jingping or, uh, president of

00:26:09.960 China, you know, he's already come out and said, you know, the person that wins the race of

00:26:14.940 artificial intelligence is going to achieve global domination. So what's he doing? He's

00:26:20.600 building all these chip factories and he's bringing big tech over to China because they

00:26:25.220 don't have to deal with all this red tape. They don't have to deal with the EPA shit. They don't

00:26:29.160 have to deal with any of that, you know, um, none of it, you know, any of that, any of those red tape,

00:26:36.520 well, all that technology, guess who's getting access to it? It's not the U S government. It's not

00:26:41.940 the U S military. It's not NASA. It's China. They get access to all that information because

00:26:49.060 it's, it's in their country. It's their lab. It's their, it's all of that, you know? And so

00:26:55.020 these business big business guys, you know, are going over there and like, Oh shit, we don't have

00:26:59.660 all this red tape we have to deal with. Okay, cool. Let's make it right here. You know, we'll take

00:27:05.760 that chip factory and that's, that's how the shit's happening. You know, that's how the money's

00:27:11.100 happening. It's hard because as a business owner, you know, I, I, and I know you are as well as we

00:27:18.480 see opportunity to make things cheaply or, you know, more affordably, uh, better technology, uh,

00:27:26.360 whatever we can do to improve the, the consumer and product that we're, we're making available.

00:27:33.840 That's a big incentive for us, but there's also the moral thing to do. Right. And how's that going

00:27:40.660 to impact future generations? But it it's got, I got to say, it would be pretty enticing to want to do

00:27:46.360 that. That's why there's some great company like origins, one of them and other companies that

00:27:50.140 have decided, no, we're severing that supply chain. We're not doing that. And we're going to make

00:27:55.640 everything 100% sourced and grown and made and supported here in America. Like that's way harder

00:28:02.580 to do, but to me, it's the right thing to do. I actually think there needs to be policies in place

00:28:07.880 that, that keep people from, or even I wouldn't go so far as to say, not doing business there,

00:28:14.560 but I would say not allowing China to buy up assets or even land here in America. Like there's

00:28:20.120 got to be policies in place to protect our, our assets and our resources, but we don't have them.

00:28:25.640 Yeah. Well, you know, the, one of the only things I think it might be the only thing that

00:28:30.640 a Chinese person can apply for financial aid or a loan or anything for is land.

00:28:38.760 Hmm. As a Chinese citizen, is that what you're saying?

00:28:43.800 So they'll finance them to buy land here in the U S here in the country. Yep. Yeah. Yep. You know,

00:28:50.320 China really scares the hell out of me, Ryan. I mean, if you look at what they're doing in Africa

00:28:55.860 too, I mean, they're settling, they're settling Africa, you know, it's not, they're going over

00:29:01.460 there and they're putting in big, big, big infrastructure. I mean, they're doing it in

00:29:06.420 the U S too, but look at what, I mean, look at what happened, you know, guess who was there.

00:29:11.640 Guess who was sitting right there when the Afghan pullout disaster happened to take over all the

00:29:16.720 lithium mines and minerals that are over there, China, who was there negotiating with Taliban

00:29:21.540 48 hours after that went down, China, who's taken over Africa, China, they're, they're building

00:29:29.000 four lane highways. We're not talking to little shanty towns, you know, we're talking skyscrapers,

00:29:34.880 highways, sewage. I mean, like entire metropolitan infrastructure in China, or, I mean, I'm sorry,

00:29:44.020 in Africa, all these different areas in Africa, this is happening. I mean, that that's, you know,

00:29:49.000 people are like, Oh, that's nice. No, that's Chinese influence. That's not, that's them taking over.

00:29:54.280 And what they're doing is, so they'll go in and they'll negotiate with these provinces or states.

00:30:01.920 I don't know the right term. So forgive me on that. And they'll say, Hey, we'll build you this

00:30:06.380 infrastructure. We'll build you this highway system knowing full well that they can't, this country or

00:30:13.180 this province can't afford this highway system. And so as soon as they go default on their, their loans

00:30:19.000 and their obligations, China says, Hey, don't worry about it. We'll go ahead. And we're, we're just going

00:30:23.700 to run it now. Yep. So they're doing it. Yeah. All the favors are happening to those political

00:30:31.160 favors. And I mean, if you think about it, what would you do, Ryan? I would do it. I mean, it's,

00:30:36.020 it's mutual, it's mutually beneficial for both parties. I mean, you're in the military. I don't

00:30:41.160 know where you deployed, but I'm sure you've seen some, some shitholes, you know? And so if you're

00:30:47.300 running, if you're running Afghanistan or you're running, you know, Uganda or Yemen or any of these

00:30:55.140 places, you know what I mean? Of course, you're going to say you, you want to come here and build

00:30:59.840 a six lane highway and put up skyscrapers. Okay. You know, I mean, perfect. I would do it in a

00:31:07.740 heartbeat because that's, what's good for those people. And that's, what's good for China. I mean,

00:31:11.880 you got to remember China's doing, I mean, they're doing everything right from my angle.

00:31:17.200 You know what I mean? If I was the president of China, I'd be doing the exact same thing.

00:31:21.280 I'd be doing the TikTok stuff. You know, I'd be doing, I'd be spreading my influence all over the

00:31:27.660 world. If your goal is to achieve global domination, well, they're doing a pretty damn good job of it.

00:31:34.260 What's unfortunate is that we're just letting it happen. We're not getting in that game,

00:31:39.340 you know? And, and it's, it's not like they're just going in and taking over. They're building

00:31:44.300 the infrastructure. They're helping these people. And eventually that's going to hurt us. It already

00:31:50.000 is. You know what I mean? Look at Saudi. I don't think they're helping. I think they're

00:31:54.700 taking advantage of them in the short term. It might appear helpful, but in the longterm,

00:31:59.780 and that is one of the devious advantages that China has is they're thinking generationally,

00:32:06.540 whereas Americans, we think in four-year blocks, right? So especially when it comes to politics,

00:32:12.540 a president, for example, is going to say, I'm going to pass a $1.8 trillion package because

00:32:18.220 in the short term, that's going to feel pretty good to the voters. And they're going to feel that

00:32:22.840 benefit in their pocketbooks. Forget about your kids that are going to be saddled with all that

00:32:27.560 debt. I'm not worried about that. I'm just worried about the next four years. Whereas China's looking

00:32:31.920 at it and thinking generationally, they're dynasties for generations. It's hard though,

00:32:37.960 because that's not the answer either, is to have a government that is in charge for generations,

00:32:43.400 you know? So what is advantageous for us is also in a lot of ways, our own undoing.

00:32:50.860 Yeah. That's, they just, they have, I didn't mean they're helping them like, oh,

00:32:56.140 we want to spread the love. I mean, you know, like what I was saying was it's mutually beneficial.

00:33:01.680 It's beneficial for, um, for Uganda to take Chinese aid and it's beneficial for China to build there,

00:33:11.100 you know? And so it's, it's kind of a, everybody wins here, you know what I mean? And if you look

00:33:15.920 at where those people, you know, are living right now, it's going to be an upgrade for them,

00:33:20.300 you know? I mean, there's mass genocide going on there, you know? So anything is going to be

00:33:25.640 better than the current situation they're in. It's just too bad that the U S isn't jumping in this,

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00:34:45.120 I'll get back to it with Sean. My question, I almost hate to ask it because it is a difficult

00:34:51.440 question to answer, which is probably why we haven't been able to answer yet is what in the

00:34:55.400 world do we do about it? Like for me, I started this mission with the goal of giving men tools and

00:35:02.180 resources they need to be better men. And I think that's the answer. Like if we have more people who

00:35:07.440 are out of debt, we have more fathers. Um, I know you're a first time father as well, relatively

00:35:12.580 recently. Like if we have more fathers, more men out of debt, more men who have some sort of

00:35:20.040 moral compass, they operate their life by, uh, more marriage, more families, more community,

00:35:26.160 then that begins to solve a lot of this. Do you have the same sort of belief with what you're doing

00:35:33.100 as a mission when you bring these people in and bring awareness to what you're doing? Or what do you

00:35:36.940 see as your contribution to the solution? My contribution to the solution is, is, is, it's

00:35:44.060 simple for my podcast. It's, it's two things. I like helping people get over personal problem. I

00:35:52.480 mean, I think we're all get stuck in our own head. And so when I bring a lot of my guests on, it's how

00:35:57.600 to get out of your own head. And, you know, these are the struggles that I've been through and this is

00:36:02.340 how I've overcome it, you know? And so it's, uh, those types of interviews, which happen to be,

00:36:07.560 uh, primarily the military, uh, genre that I bring on it's, it's overcoming adversity and, and, and,

00:36:14.860 and, you know, look, this is how bad I had it. This is where it took me and I got myself out of it.

00:36:20.600 The other thing that I like doing is bringing, uh, truth, you know, real truth, not divisive,

00:36:26.960 you know, shit. I just want people to be informed, you know? And, and I really like

00:36:32.100 when Switzer came on back to him, you know, I watched every interview that guy did on, on that

00:36:37.620 subject, um, with his new book or his book at the time, red handed. And when he came on, I said,

00:36:43.540 look, I've seen all your interviews. Everybody goes straight to Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.

00:36:48.900 I don't want to do that. Here's what we're going to do. I read your book. We're going to do

00:36:53.800 Republican and then Democrat and a Republican and then a Democrat. I want to keep it balanced

00:36:59.180 because it's all in there. Everybody just labels them. You know, everybody wants to jump to the

00:37:04.500 conservative, what, what suits the conservative party, but it's all in there. Like the Mitch

00:37:08.860 McConnell stuff, it's all in there. And so, and then I also said, I want to leave politics last.

00:37:13.940 Let's go big tech education. And, and, um, there was one other one too. And then,

00:37:19.580 and then political will leave for last. And so that's what we did. And it was,

00:37:24.540 it, it, it, it worked. It's, that's not the typical interview on my channel. It did great

00:37:30.800 through his book into the bestseller list again. And, um, and, and it, it worked because we weren't

00:37:37.320 picking sides here. It was just, this is the information we're giving it to you guys do whatever

00:37:41.900 you want with it, but here's the truth. Yeah. You know? And, um, and so that's kind of

00:37:47.400 my contribution is bringing people hope. You know, when you think you're down and out,

00:37:52.320 there's always a way out of it. You know, life just goes like that. It's going to be ups

00:37:56.460 and then we're going to be downs and you got to pick yourself back up and get off your ass and do it.

00:38:00.920 Uh, but as far as the problem, how do we, how do we, how do we fix it? I mean, I think the,

00:38:09.740 I think problem, we're trying to solve too many problems. One, why the fuck are we helping?

00:38:14.600 And why are we so involved in Ukraine? Like this, this shit's ridiculous. Look at our

00:38:19.260 fucking country, Ryan, you know, and this is another, this isn't, I'm just going to go on a

00:38:26.300 rant, which probably isn't good, but this is another, one of those, uh, hypocritical things

00:38:32.040 that I, I think I would, I gotta be honest. I was furious when I heard that, you know, Biden is

00:38:38.760 going to put what, what was it? $10,000 towards paying everybody's college tuition off.

00:38:43.640 I was furious, you know, because people pay a lot of money for a degree. And if it's free,

00:38:49.100 then it doesn't mean anything anymore. And I was in, and, and then it's like, well,

00:38:53.880 shit, that's one of the ascendants to go in the military is the GI bill. So what that's,

00:38:57.740 that's fucking worthless. Now.

00:38:59.800 I didn't even consider that. Maybe that was by design. That's interesting. Keep going. I'm just

00:39:04.840 like, I'm just processing that for the first time. I never considered that.

00:39:08.520 So I was, I was really upset. You know, it's like, man, what the fuck happened to actually

00:39:12.260 having to work for something in this country? Then I took two steps back and I started looking

00:39:17.360 at the bigger picture and I'm like, at that time we just spent what? $65 billion to Ukraine.

00:39:24.920 Why the fuck aren't we spending that on our own people? You know, and then you have every

00:39:30.860 conservative out there pissed as hell. And it's like, I gotta be honest. I can't fucking

00:39:35.900 stand the guy. I hate what's going on in this country right now, but at least something got

00:39:42.860 reinvested into our own people. You know what I mean? At least there's one thing that got

00:39:47.580 reinvested into our own people. And it happens to be education, which let's be honest, we've

00:39:53.740 fallen off the map when it comes to education in this country. You look at Tik TOK here and you

00:40:00.000 see a bunch of 12 year old girls shaking their ass on Tik TOK. You go to Tik TOK in China and it's

00:40:05.420 all algebra and math, you know, that's what the algorithm serves to that. And, and so, you know,

00:40:12.980 maybe it's not such a bad thing to reinvest in our own people, you know, just because you had it

00:40:19.380 tough, you know what I mean? Doesn't mean that there is not room for improvement. And so I would

00:40:25.640 rather spend, you know, what is it going to now? 110 billion. Cause didn't we just throw

00:40:30.500 another 50 or 55 billion to Zelensky the other day? Yeah. I don't know what the amount was

00:40:35.840 anymore. It's like $115 billion now to Ukraine, which is doing nothing, but at least for us,

00:40:44.580 you know, and then we have all these people drowning in school and in school debt, which

00:40:49.360 you were just talking about, right? Getting people out of debt, being a good dad, learning

00:40:53.220 how to do finances and shit. Well, let's set the next generation up for success. You know,

00:40:59.720 I mean, that's, it makes sense. It does make sense. I mean, I hear where you're coming from

00:41:03.520 reinvesting into education. Maybe, but not the way that it's being done. And I'll tell you why,

00:41:10.620 the minute the government gets involved in things like that, we start to see high inflation within

00:41:16.780 those, those categories. So you can take, uh, insurance and, and the medical community,

00:41:21.960 for example, my, my wife and I, when we started having kids, uh, we came across a receipt.

00:41:29.520 It was a receipt from when her grandfather had her mother, I believe. And I can't remember the number,

00:41:36.780 but it was like 600 bucks or something. And they wrote a check to the hospital and paid and got a

00:41:45.220 receipt and it was done and done. And then you can start getting the government involved and the

00:41:50.040 medical community is like, cool. Well, we know we're going to get paid. There's no more competition

00:41:55.420 on this stuff. So we're going to jack up the prices because we know the taxpayer is going to foot the

00:41:59.780 bill. And the same thing will happen with education. So somebody who wants to get education,

00:42:05.920 but doesn't quote unquote qualify for government assistance, they're going to have to pay exorbitant

00:42:11.760 tuition rates because college institutions will realize, Hey, we're charging what 20 grand a

00:42:18.800 semester right now, but we know the government's going to pay. So we'll just raise our, our tuition

00:42:22.900 rates to 30, 40, 50, 60, 80 grand. It's not going to solve the problem. It's only going to go up

00:42:28.300 and it's going to hurt those people who the government doesn't deem worthy of other people's

00:42:32.620 money. Yeah. You're, you know, I never thought of that and you're absolutely right. But, you know,

00:42:37.740 I can't engineer the program. All I can say is that the principle of giving back to the U S

00:42:43.220 not even giving back, just investing in your own fucking country can't be a bad idea. You know?

00:42:49.940 Yeah. I agree with that. We're going to have to work through, you know,

00:42:54.080 corruption and, and people trying to take advantage of the system and shit. That's never going to stop.

00:43:00.400 You know, you just, but you got to throw something out there and, and then work on it. But,

00:43:05.440 you know, back to the point, what is, what do I think is going to solve this shit? We got to get

00:43:09.220 some, we got to get some country pride and patriotism back, man. I mean, you know, that

00:43:15.280 the number, I think the number one issue in this country right now is not you, it's not Ukraine.

00:43:22.700 I don't think it's trans. I don't think it's race problems. I think it's just overall divisiveness,

00:43:31.140 you know, and it's so fucking bad, Ryan. I mean, let's bring up the border. For example,

00:43:37.000 does anybody really give a shit about the people that are coming across the border?

00:43:41.140 No, of course not.

00:43:42.320 No. What do you hear? You hear the only reason the Democrats are doing that is because they want

00:43:46.900 all the fucking voters, you know, and because they're all going to vote blue. Well, then that

00:43:50.920 came out that, Oh, they might start voting red now that they're here. So now we're all of a sudden,

00:43:55.940 we're going to lock down the border. And it's like, why don't we just do what's best for the

00:43:59.400 fucking country? You know, and quit worrying about the only reason you're doing that is you're getting

00:44:05.860 all these, all these new blue voters, or you're getting all these new red voters, or it shouldn't

00:44:10.560 be about the votes. It should be about what's best for the fucking country. Right. And, and so that's,

00:44:17.760 that's part of the reason why I went down there, you know, and, and maybe we need to work on our,

00:44:23.380 our immigration policies and, and, and the system on getting these people in rather than,

00:44:29.460 you know what I'm getting? Because there's a lot of good people. I mean, coming in, there's a lot

00:44:34.500 of people that are hungry from work. And last time I checked, there aren't too many Americans hungry

00:44:38.640 for work right now. I see a lot of, I see a lot of illegals who are hungry for work. I don't see a

00:44:44.680 lot of Americans that are hungry for work, you know, especially when it comes to, you know, the blue

00:44:50.080 collar jobs. I don't see anybody banging the door down to become a construction worker or a plumber

00:44:55.940 or, um, a landscaper. You know, I don't see that. Do you?

00:45:05.080 Yeah. No, I don't. I don't. I think you're right. And I think there's opportunities

00:45:08.720 for, we have to look at the incentive structure of things, right? So if we're looking at the incentive

00:45:14.800 structure of organizations shipping their goods and services and developments overseas, then they're

00:45:19.940 going to do it because they're incentivized to do it. Yeah. Right. Or if you incentivize, uh, you know,

00:45:26.260 somebody to get into a blue collar job or bring a select few people here that we, that we pick

00:45:34.220 through a process to have them here because they can fulfill these needed jobs and we make, and we

00:45:39.140 incentivize that to happen, people are going to gravitate towards the incentive. Of course, like

00:45:44.680 anybody coming into the country illegal, they're incentivized to do it. Like I would do it. Wouldn't

00:45:50.100 you? Oh yeah. If you lived in one of these other countries, I would cross the Rio Grande in a

00:45:55.440 heartbeat. I would do whatever I could to get myself and other people here. I would do that, but that

00:46:01.380 doesn't make it right. Yeah. It's just that the incentive structure is set up in a way that would

00:46:06.780 make me want to do that and come into the country illegally. I mean, here's, here's an example.

00:46:11.580 So I went down there and, uh, I, I jumped into a migrant camp and me and, uh, this guy, Ed Calderon

00:46:20.700 snagged. It was getting kind of dangerous. We were, they were about ready to start throwing rocks and

00:46:25.500 shit at us. Cause they, they felt we were up to no good. And we obviously looked very out of place.

00:46:30.020 Yeah. I'm like, yeah, I bet. So we grabbed a couple of migrants and offered them, uh, some

00:46:37.060 money and, and a hot meal at a coffee shop. And so we took them out of the, the migrant

00:46:42.620 camp off location and brought them to a safer location into a coffee shop. I just interviewed

00:46:47.360 them right there. And cause I wanted to know like, who, who are these people and why are

00:46:51.760 they, why are they coming across and, and why are they doing it legally? You know, and what

00:46:56.440 I found and yeah, the guy could have been lying. You know what I mean? I don't, I don't know.

00:47:00.560 There's no way to do a background check. There's no way to do any kind of check in a, in an environment

00:47:05.400 like that. But what I was told is this guy's making like a dollar a day, basically running

00:47:10.440 around with a battery, uh, external battery charging cell phones, you know, and he's been

00:47:17.180 there for, I can't remember how many years waiting for his, um, packet to go through so that

00:47:23.820 he could legally come into the U S he lives in a tent with his wife, you know, came up

00:47:29.640 from Honduras is lived in a tent on the border. I think it was like two years and that's how

00:47:35.380 they make their money. They run around the migrant camp and charge, charge cell phone batteries

00:47:41.020 for those that have a cell phone, you know, and, and they're just waiting. He's like, I

00:47:45.720 just want to come over legally. I, I want to, I want to live the American dream. And it's

00:47:50.100 like with no matter what party is for against immigration, it's like, man, what the fuck

00:47:58.000 guys? Like we need workers. This guy, let's take that guy. You guys. Yeah. Like, why don't

00:48:03.920 you, why don't you make it easier for people to legally come into this fucking country so

00:48:08.340 they can work and we can hire them to work because we don't have anybody that wants to

00:48:12.580 do that kind of work, you know, rather than just leave the borders open and all these cartels

00:48:17.060 are coming through and the fentanyl and, and sex trafficking is huge, which I would love

00:48:22.580 to talk about that. Um, but you know, all these things are, you know, cash weapons, drugs,

00:48:29.420 humans, everything's getting smuggled back and forth across that border. And yeah, you know,

00:48:33.960 everybody's like, Oh, well, that's going to happen anyways. Yeah, it is going to happen

00:48:37.980 anyways, but it's going to be cut down a, a lot, even if it is a wall, even if, or whatever

00:48:43.740 it is, I mean, if you put an obstacle in front of somebody, it's going to cut down the amount

00:48:49.380 of people that are going to be able to go across it, you know, and the more obstacles

00:48:53.720 there are, the harder it's going to be. So why don't you reinforce the border and open

00:48:58.840 up the policy, you know, but it's just this divisive shit. That's all we see all the time.

00:49:03.680 Nobody wants to work anything out. Even with, am I just ranting too much? You can tell me

00:49:08.000 to stop. I'm just listening. I just, I wonder if you could, uh, like get into people's brain

00:49:14.080 and, and get rid of the incentives and, and get rid of the, the reasons they might do one

00:49:20.940 thing over the other and say, all right, well, like what, what are you really thinking? And,

00:49:25.280 and I wonder how closely we would all be aligned, but you get those incentives in there and you

00:49:29.880 get the corruption going and you get the quest for power and money and all this other stuff.

00:49:35.100 And it just starts to change the way people behave and even go against their own morality.

00:49:40.560 It's, it's wild.

00:49:42.080 It is, isn't it? It's, it's, I don't think a lot of people even know where they stand on

00:49:48.820 certain issues. They're just going to do whatever CNN or Fox news tells them to do, you know, and,

00:49:54.620 and they're not, and they're too lazy to actually dig into it. Or maybe, maybe lazy is a rough word.

00:49:59.960 Maybe they just don't have time. I mean, I don't have time to dig into all that. I'm an entrepreneur.

00:50:03.860 Or you're an entrepreneur. I'm sure you don't either, but you got to choose. But I think it

00:50:08.420 is refreshing to hear, like, I hear a lot of similarities between you, two, two people that

00:50:14.060 come to mind, Mike Ritland and Clint Emerson. Like the way that you guys communicate about these

00:50:21.100 issues is very matter of fact, matter of fact. It doesn't seem to be clouded by, you know,

00:50:26.760 political affiliation or some other, you know, incentive that we aren't aware of. I'm actually

00:50:32.260 wondering if, and I know those guys are friends of yours. And I'm wondering if the mentality that

00:50:38.520 you guys bring to the table where it's so matter of fact, and I don't care what you think about it,

00:50:42.140 like, here's the truth of it. Is that a personality thing? And you guys found that you gravitated

00:50:48.660 towards each other because of those personalities. Is that something that was cultivated through your

00:50:52.440 military experience? Is that a collection of experiences and life events that makes you

00:50:57.960 operate this way? Like, where does that come from? I think it's just who we are. You know,

00:51:03.920 I mean, I don't, I'm, I don't really talk to Clint very often, you know, probably less than once a

00:51:10.880 year. I mean, we, I've never actually even met him in real life. And Mike, you know, I didn't,

00:51:15.480 yeah, I've, I've never, I didn't meet Mike until about five years ago. And it's very sporadic.

00:51:21.180 You know, I just, I just think that's kind of who we are and, you know, like-minded people

00:51:26.240 eventually find each other, you know, but, um, I, I, I think people like that are important because

00:51:35.040 they just cut to the truth, you know, and, and, and, and, and sometimes it takes that for, for,

00:51:42.640 to open people's eyes, you know, and, and if that makes any sense at all, but, you know,

00:51:49.700 I mean, even my, my first interview next year is probably going to be a flop and it's about,

00:51:56.700 uh, global warming, climate crisis. Um, you know, whatever you want to climate change,

00:52:02.540 whatever you want to call it, which I don't, I don't know, man, that's another divisive topic,

00:52:07.080 but I, I found these scientists hear me out before you judge me, but, uh, I found these scientists.

00:52:13.060 I think I heard you talk about this somewhere. I can't really, maybe, maybe, maybe, I don't know,

00:52:18.120 maybe go finish up. I'll, I won't interrupt. Maybe I making it up. I don't know.

00:52:21.840 I found these scientists who claim they have the answer to the carbon footprint.

00:52:26.600 And I was like, okay, I like science. I'm interested in it. You know, I don't know a

00:52:31.400 lot about global warming. I almost had it. I also had Alex Epstein on who was in the fleet,

00:52:35.600 complete opposite, uh, end of the spectrum when it comes to climate change. He's all about fossil

00:52:41.420 fuels, you know, but these guys, the good thing about these guys, Ryan, is they've, they invented

00:52:47.260 something that's going to help the planet that isn't going to cost us anything. And nobody's

00:52:53.040 giving these guys the fucking time of day, you know, and basically what it is, is it's a solution

00:52:58.140 that you spray on plants or trees that allows them to do photosynthesis a couple more hours a day

00:53:04.940 than normal. If plants are over, I think it's 72 degrees, they don't do photosynthesis. So basically

00:53:10.800 this is a suntan lotion. It goes on the plant, keeps it below 72 degrees or whatever the

00:53:17.440 temperature actually is. And which enables the plant to do photosynthesis, you know, double the

00:53:23.300 time. And so what is photosynthesis? It's turning carbon into oxygen, right? That's good for the

00:53:31.120 planet. It's not going to affect our, our energy prices, our gas prices. It's not going to, it's not

00:53:36.960 going to affect anything. It's not going to cause inflation. It's not, things aren't going to be more

00:53:40.520 expensive to ship. It's not going to cause that. They say for a billion dollars, they could treat

00:53:46.020 every forest in the, in every national forest, I should say in the country. And when I was, when I

00:53:53.400 was talking to them, I was like, well, you know, what are we going to have to spray every tree on the

00:53:58.740 planet just to see a dent? And they said, no, actually, if we just spray our own national forests,

00:54:05.120 just in the U S we'll see a major dent within a few years. And it's like, these guys have been

00:54:13.040 walked into Congress to both sides and nobody gave a shit. You know why? Cause they don't know

00:54:19.180 how to make any fucking money off of it. That's why. And it's, it's, it's, it's solved to the

00:54:23.940 problem, which is one less debate they can all fight over, you know? And it's, it's just sad to

00:54:28.960 see. And I'm probably going to get a lot of flack up on it because like I said, the majority of my

00:54:33.560 base is conservative. And I think for the most part, conservatives think global warming is

00:54:39.380 bullshit. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but you can't fucking argue that this shit's better for

00:54:44.440 the planet. On top of that plant C, I think it's, um, 20 to 30% more growth, 20 to 30% less water than

00:54:54.600 untreated plants, which changes the entire farming game for the West coast. It's going to help with

00:54:59.700 all the wildfires that are over there. And it could possibly be a solution to world hunger,

00:55:05.120 you know, and nobody's looking at this shit. And it's like, man, you got these, this genius

00:55:11.060 scientists that developed this and it's out there and nobody's looking at it and it's, and they're

00:55:18.220 going to get a bunch of shit because, Oh, they believe in global warming, but whether they believe

00:55:21.620 in global warming or not, dude, it's fucking good for the planet. It is cleaner air. I would think

00:55:27.620 you, don't you want your kid to, to, to breathe cleaner air? No. Okay. You know what I mean?

00:55:34.580 But I haven't, I mean, with the global warming thing, like I don't meet too many people in real

00:55:38.980 life, whether they're conservatives or not, who are like, whether it's a big, a big man-made issue

00:55:45.420 that that might be something people debate, but every conservative I know myself included is like,

00:55:49.920 no, I think we ought to probably do a pretty good job taking care of the planet. Like, I think it

00:55:53.440 would be the same way I clean my office or I vacuum my carpet every once in a while. You know,

00:55:58.540 like I think having a clean place is probably a good, a good thing, but that's what normal people

00:56:05.360 think. But again, in the media, this goes back to where we started. They want to pit us against each

00:56:10.520 other. And well, that's a conservative talking point. That's a, that's a liberal talking point.

00:56:15.100 That's a, that's a, that it's exactly humans having conversations. Yeah. It's so sad, but

00:56:23.340 this country is it's lost right now. And we need somebody to bring it together so that we can start

00:56:30.900 to actually work through some of these issues and not just argue, riot, lube, you know, make a point,

00:56:39.360 kneel for the flag. Like this is all ridiculous. You know, it, it really is. It's so fucking

00:56:46.180 childish. What's happening. Would you, would you run for office like at the, uh, state or, or higher

00:56:51.740 level you personally? Uh, I don't, um, I seriously considered it. Um, I wouldn't throw it out. I don't

00:57:04.640 know. You know, I wouldn't throw it out, but I did. I don't know if I want to put my family through

00:57:11.580 that. You know, that's the problem. Like that. Cause you're a common sense level-headed person.

00:57:17.380 I would consider myself in, in that ballpark to not always there, but in the ballpark.

00:57:23.100 And I'm the same way. I'm like, why would I do that? Why would I expose myself to that? Why would

00:57:28.060 I put my family through that, that hostility and that pain and potential attacks, verbal and even

00:57:32.740 physical? Why would I do that? And that's part of the problem. Normal people don't get involved

00:57:39.320 in, into politics the way that maybe we ought to strongly consider, although it doesn't really

00:57:45.960 sound that appealing to me at all. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I guess maybe there's always a possibility

00:57:52.840 I could do it, you know, but, um, just not right now. Yeah. How is it with, uh, so you're a first time

00:58:00.760 father, right? Just relatively recently, 15 months, 15 months, 15 months. How, how has that been on top

00:58:09.020 of, you know, the podcast, you know, the businesses that you're running life in general, has it changed

00:58:14.200 even any of your, your, uh, cultural perspective that maybe you've had because you've been able

00:58:20.360 to talk to so many different people? What has that been like? You know, it's before he came,

00:58:28.140 I was really worried about the state of the world and, and the education system. And, you know,

00:58:35.220 I think we're all really worried about it, but you know, what I keep, what's really changed for me,

00:58:40.760 Ryan is, is you have to bring positivity home. You have to do it. You cannot tell your kid the world

00:58:50.080 is ending and bring that, bring that vibe or that energy into your house, you know, and you have to

00:58:56.520 realize being a parent, you are your, your kid's biggest influence. It's not their teachers. It's

00:59:03.780 not, you know, their friends. It's, it's, it's, it's you. And so that's something that I've really

00:59:11.060 been telling myself is, you know, my son's going to be exposed, both of our kids, you know, all kids

00:59:17.180 are going to be exposed to a lot of things that we were never exposed to. And, and information

00:59:23.180 is so accessible. Now misinformation is even more accessible. And, um, you just, you, you have to be

00:59:30.340 there as a parent. And, you know, it's funny, you see all these parents, you know, and they're all

00:59:34.540 worried about, Oh man, I can't believe they're teaching this shit in schools and dah, dah, dah, dah.

00:59:38.960 And they're always the first ones to throw their kid in daycare at, you know, eight weeks old.

00:59:43.300 You can't wait to get the kid out, but they're all upset. Right. Anyways, I'm ranting again, but

00:59:48.760 I think that's, that's like my, there's been a lot of changes. That's the first one that comes up in

00:59:54.660 my head is, is being more positive at home. Cause I, and I still am kind of a doom and gloom guy,

01:00:01.560 but, but I was, I was forced to change myself. I can't be doing that shit around my son, even though

01:00:07.400 it was only 15 months. Like they pick up on, on that kind of energy. They pick up if you're arguing with

01:00:12.960 your, with your, with your wife, you know, and, and pick up on all that stuff. And so I really try to

01:00:20.300 just remember, you know, like I'm the biggest influence in my son's life. And I've seen older

01:00:25.980 kids who come home and that have been through the critical race theory stuff or whatever, you know,

01:00:32.440 is happening in schools. I'm not there yet in life, but I have a lot of friends who have kids,

01:00:38.860 you know, that do that. And this discussion always comes up, you know, with, when we're talking to

01:00:45.100 other parents, it always comes up. And a lot of the ones that have the older ones are like,

01:00:49.240 you know, kids are smart. They're smarter than we give them credit for. They've been putting this

01:00:53.640 stuff in our school for years. And we just found out about it. And we talked to our kids like, Hey,

01:00:58.880 you know, this might start happening. And it's like, dad, that happened three years ago. We all know

01:01:03.060 it's bullshit. And it's like, okay, you know, all right. And that, you know why they know that

01:01:09.340 because of the home, because of the home environment, obviously it's not from the school

01:01:13.560 because they're pushing it, you know, but it's from the home. And if you provide a good home for

01:01:19.400 your kid, you know, then that's going to carry forward. You know, it is. And, uh, and people need

01:01:28.120 to raise their kids and quit sending them to have everybody else raising, you know, and, and get

01:01:36.060 your kid off the damn phone, get them off Tik TOK, you know, get them in some activities, go do

01:01:41.600 something with them. And, um, you know, you don't see a lot of that now. And that's why I love what

01:01:46.900 you're doing, Ryan is, is I, at first I didn't see it. And that's probably because I was so involved

01:01:56.160 in business. I, and, and I didn't, you know, you don't have kids. You're not, I wasn't really into

01:02:01.900 kids before I had a kid. Of course. But, um, but now I really pay attention. I pay attention

01:02:07.780 everywhere I go. And, and I see, I mean, I think your original mission and your mission still is to,

01:02:14.940 you know, keep men max masculine and, and, and building confidence and all of those kinds of

01:02:21.300 things that are important when it comes to being a man. And now, you know, I notice it, I go to the

01:02:27.180 store and I ask somebody, you know, Hey, I need, uh, I need a container at home Depot. And these kids,

01:02:36.840 they just look at their feet and it's like, where's the, where's the container department? Oh,

01:02:40.720 I don't know. You got to talk to that guy. And they can't even make eye contact. It's true,

01:02:45.060 man. It's so true. It used to piss me off, but now, and, but it's ever, it's a bass pro shop.

01:02:51.920 It's at Cabela's it's at REI it's at all these stores. And it's just these kids. And they're

01:02:56.040 looking at their damn shoes the whole time they're talking to you. They don't want to help you. They

01:03:00.160 can't make eye contact. And it's like, where in the fuck is this kid's dad? What does he do? And

01:03:06.940 what, you know, where is he? I want to meet this fucker. Like, how can you have a 15 year old son

01:03:13.800 that walks around everywhere and looks at his fucking feet and mumbles and can't make eye

01:03:18.440 contact at it with anybody? Where the fuck is your dad? I want to meet this piece of shit,

01:03:23.860 you know, and it's everywhere. It's, it's more and more and more and more everywhere I go. It's

01:03:29.700 starting to happen. And, um, you know, that's, it's sad to see it. And that, and so now I realized,

01:03:38.360 you know, I always liked what you're doing, but now I realized like, holy shit, like this is

01:03:42.760 fucking important, man. This is real important because these kids aren't getting this shit at

01:03:47.740 home. They're not getting what they need at home. They're getting pushed aside. They're not getting

01:03:52.400 any attention, you know, because everything else is more important than they are at home. And it's,

01:03:58.800 it's, that's the consequence. Yeah, it is. It is disheartening to see, but it also presents

01:04:04.540 an opportunity. And you said it, you said it best when, when you're talking about people who are

01:04:10.700 complaining about the school system, for example, and then you ask them, well, are you on the school

01:04:16.660 board? No. Do you homeschool your kids? No. Do you go to your kids PTA meetings? No, I've been busy

01:04:24.600 with work. Do you know who your kid's teacher is and who their friends are? Well, no, they changed this

01:04:32.120 year. Good hell. Like, what are you complaining about? Like, because Tucker Carlson told him to

01:04:38.500 complain. Right. And, you know, and, and, you know, like there's some legitimate reasons to

01:04:43.820 complain. Absolutely. And also finish the thought, like, which is okay. Now I don't like this and this

01:04:52.120 is what I'm going to do about it. But most people don't get to that point. Like we, we've had to make

01:04:56.840 some serious sacrifices to make sure that our kids stay at home. I can hear them downstairs. Our kids

01:05:01.520 are homeschooled. Do I go to all the school board meetings? Do I go to PTA? Do I, no, I don't.

01:05:06.720 Admittedly, I don't go to those things, but you know what? We're homeschooling our kids. There's

01:05:11.020 other kids in the community that we do co-op. I've coached my kids' basketball teams. I want to know

01:05:15.900 who my kids are hanging out with. I have access to my son's cell phone and it's a dumbed down cell

01:05:20.580 phone that he can send, you know, texts, pictures, no video, no social media access on it. If he wants

01:05:27.240 to get on Instagram, I don't, he can have his Instagram account because he's got a podcast,

01:05:30.900 but it's on my phone. He has to use my phone and sign into his account on my account in order for him

01:05:37.860 to access it. Like we're involved. We have to be involved and we're just not, man.

01:05:43.840 I like that. I'm going to use that. But, you know, and I don't want to, if you don't mind,

01:05:50.180 I would like to backtrack. I'm not, I'm not giving my opinion on if I like CTR or I dislike,

01:05:56.160 I don't like it. You know, that's not the point. My point is people are being fucking hypocrites

01:06:02.520 and they just want to be outraged just to be outraged. And you, you know, if you want to be

01:06:06.600 outraged, great, be outraged, but do something about it, you know, contribute something to society.

01:06:12.100 Don't just sit here and waste 30 minutes of my time bitching about all the fucked up shit that's

01:06:17.640 happening in the education system. And then two minutes later, it's, we're talking about how

01:06:22.160 you're pissed off. Cause you can't, you can't get your eight week old into a, into a daycare.

01:06:27.520 You know, it's like, what are you doing to help? You know, that's nothing. Most people are doing

01:06:36.060 nothing. They just want to complain all the time. And that's, that's, that's, that's, that was my

01:06:42.420 point that I was making. Yeah, no, I picked up on that. I, I, yeah, for sure. And I think most people

01:06:46.760 did as well. Well, Sean, I appreciate you, brother, man. This has gone really, really quickly. And I

01:06:51.600 think there's more that we need to talk about, but I propose that the next one we do, we do it

01:06:57.160 live that we actually sit down and, and do the, and do the full thing, do the real thing. Cause

01:07:02.740 there's a lot more we need to discuss for sure. I would love that. I would love that. And yeah,

01:07:07.940 when you get to Nashville, you know, I would love to I would love you to be in the opposite chair

01:07:13.160 here. Let me interview you. That would be great. I just want to geek out on your studio, man. Like I

01:07:17.320 got to say your production quality. I mean, obviously you're very deliberate and intentional

01:07:22.740 about that. Uh, but your studio is incredible. I was talking to you about cameras you're using

01:07:29.300 and like, I'm, I'm curious about that setup because it's, it's like high quality professional

01:07:36.460 production. And so I just want to pay that compliment. Cause I see it and I know other

01:07:40.720 people do as well. Yeah. Thank you, Ryan. That really means a lot, especially coming from you.

01:07:45.820 I really appreciate that. Thank you. We'll tell the guys where to connect more,

01:07:50.760 find out about your podcast, everything else you have going on and we'll make sure we send them your

01:07:54.420 way. Sean Ryan show everything. Uh, my personal Sean Ryan, seven, six, two, and the podcast Sean

01:08:01.280 Ryan show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, all everything, Instagram, it's all Sean Ryan show. So, um, we've got

01:08:10.800 some phenomenal interviews coming up. So awesome. Yeah. I'm not going to check out the global warming

01:08:15.740 one. Cause I'm not supposed to be interested in that. Apparently somebody told me, you know,

01:08:18.820 you're not supposed to be interested in those talking points as a conservative, but the rest

01:08:22.260 I'll definitely check out is, uh, I'll check out the global warming one too. I am intrigued. Uh,

01:08:28.240 what's, what's the significance of seven, six, two, you know, Sean Ryan was taken. So I threw a bullet

01:08:33.840 caliber behind it. Okay. Got it. I wasn't sure. Yeah. I didn't put that together, but yeah,

01:08:39.240 that makes sense. I like it. Right on brother. Yeah. Right. Hey, thanks again for having me on,

01:08:44.980 man. I really appreciate it. Thanks for joining. Appreciate it. Really good thing going. Cheers.

01:08:50.940 All right, guys, there you go. My conversation with the one and only Sean Ryan. I hope you enjoyed

01:08:56.040 the episode. I hope it was powerful. I hope it gave you some considerations, some things to think

01:09:00.820 about. I learned some new things, uh, specifically about China and, uh, global warming of all things,

01:09:07.060 but I was, uh, I was intrigued and fascinated. So if you haven't listened to Sean's podcast,

01:09:12.620 the Sean Ryan show, I highly suggest that you do. Like I said, I was introduced a couple of years

01:09:18.440 ago and immediately became a fan. So really glad that, uh, Ryan and I, or Ryan, Sean, I'm Ryan,

01:09:25.680 that Sean and I have been able to, uh, build a connection. So connect with him. As I ask every

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Order of Man - December 27, 2022

SHAWN RYAN ｜ Do Something About It

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