Order of Man - Steadfast in the Faith, Is Your Wife Worthy of You, and Battling Demons

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

00:00:04.820 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.080 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:16.580 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:21.940 you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? This is Ryan Michler. I'm

00:00:27.100 the host and the founder of the Order of Man podcast. Now, if you've been with us for any

00:00:31.440 amount of time, you know that Wednesdays we do an Ask Me Anything episode and we field

00:00:35.880 questions from you guys. Typically, I do that with my co-host Kip Sorensen, but he can't make

00:00:41.120 it today and I completely spaced it off. Otherwise, I would usually find a substitute, but that

00:00:46.300 was my fault. I did not. So for better or worse, you have to listen to me today. I'm going to

00:00:51.580 field the questions as I do every week, but I'm also going to read the questions and don't

00:00:56.120 have anybody to bounce ideas off of today. So hopefully, I'll still do a decent job that

00:01:00.960 you get the information you're looking for and it can improve your life. And that's what

00:01:04.560 we're trying to do. We're trying to give you the tools, the resources, conversations, information,

00:01:09.440 everything that you need to improve your life as a man. And on that note, we are opening up

00:01:15.760 the Iron Council. Let's see. This is going to release on the 14th. So tomorrow, tomorrow,

00:01:21.500 we're opening up the Iron Council, which is our exclusive brotherhood. And inside of

00:01:26.160 that, you're going to band with other men who are all working together to hold each

00:01:29.860 other accountable, to improve their lives, to get the resources they need to stay on

00:01:35.480 track and be accountable. And everything that you need is a husband, a father, a business

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00:01:43.840 interested in the Iron Council, check it out. We're only going to be open for a short period

00:01:47.100 of time. And you can do that at orderofman.com slash Iron Council. Orderofman.com slash Iron

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00:02:23.820 let's get into some questions. I'm going to field questions from speaking of the Iron

00:02:28.220 Council. These first questions are coming from the Iron Council. And if you're watching

00:02:32.200 this on YouTube or Facebook, you're going to see me bounce back and forth between this

00:02:37.760 recording screen and my internet browser as I pull up these questions. All right. So this

00:02:43.580 one comes from Brian Dunnigan. He's in the Iron Council with Battle Team Leader of Team

00:02:48.220 Enterprise. He says, what are your thoughts on men using emojis? Is it just a new kind

00:02:53.340 of punctuation or is it degrading the quality of communication? This is something that I've

00:02:58.080 heard from Matt Walsh. Matt Walsh is completely 100% adamant against emojis. I'm not 100% against

00:03:07.860 emojis. Admittedly, I do use them occasionally to communicate the way that I might be feeling if a

00:03:16.780 text might come across wrong or might be misinterpreted or read differently. It's hard

00:03:20.840 to pick up on jokes and sarcasm in text. So I might use an emoji to prove a point.

00:03:27.440 But yeah, I do think... I don't know if it's the punctuation or the emojis that are degrading the

00:03:34.240 quality of communication. I think it's the fact that we're doing it all digitally at the expense

00:03:39.760 of having personal conversations face-to-face. If you're on the subway or public transport in some

00:03:49.080 way at the airport or even at restaurants, couples will be sitting there across from one another and

00:03:56.860 they'll be punching away on their phones. That to me is crazy. You're there with another person that you

00:04:03.160 want to be there with, I would imagine. And you're trying to connect with them and you're on your

00:04:08.340 phone. That person's on their phone and there's just no real conversation happening. So I don't

00:04:12.480 think it's the emojis that are degrading the quality of communication. I think it's the fact that we just

00:04:16.880 don't communicate as much face-to-face and we do everything through our computer screens and also on

00:04:23.140 the phone. So I would encourage you to talk to people face-to-face, have real interaction with

00:04:30.320 them. And also one thing I try to do because I am an author, I've got the masculinity manifesto,

00:04:35.480 I've got sovereignty. Those are my two books. And I do some writing here and there. We can always work

00:04:41.720 on improving the quality of our dialogue and our communication in the written form. And we should,

00:04:47.560 if we can communicate effectively in the written word, I think that's a powerful tool that we can use

00:04:54.040 to influence other people in our lives. So I don't know that it's the emojis. I think it's just

00:04:59.620 people just aren't communicating as often or as much and they're busy. And that's kind of a problem

00:05:04.400 too. This one comes from Alan Placer. He says, there's an increasing movement among men not to

00:05:10.660 get married because of a realization that the risk is no longer worth the reward. Many women don't give

00:05:16.780 the passion that men desire, want their husbands to stop engaging in the hobbies they love, and will

00:05:21.440 take everything a man has if the marriage fails. These are just some of the reasons that marriage looks

00:05:25.940 less attractive to the younger generation. A topic that would be good for you to speak to them

00:05:30.660 on. Well, I'll say this first and foremost, there's a lot to break down here. And I really

00:05:34.820 do like this question. I believe in the value of marriage. I believe in partnership with one woman

00:05:41.780 who you can raise children with, and you can walk through this life hand in hand, and you can learn

00:05:47.760 from, and you can grow from. And I actually don't think a marriage is supposed to be perfectly

00:05:52.840 blissful. In fact, if anything, I believe the power of marriage is somebody that of course you love and

00:05:59.260 you find fulfillment with, but also somebody that can challenge you in a healthy way. If she can't

00:06:04.500 challenge you in a healthy way, there may be no incentive for you to grow. And the opposite is also

00:06:09.680 true. A man should be in healthy and constructive ways, challenging his wife so that she can evolve and

00:06:15.620 she can grow and she can get better. So I believe in the power of marriage. I would say, and I think

00:06:22.740 my thinking has changed on this a little bit over the past several years, that I don't believe that

00:06:27.460 the government should be involved in marriage. I don't think there should be marriage certificates.

00:06:31.460 I don't think you should have to register with the government to say that you're married. I just don't

00:06:36.160 think that's a thing. And I think when we started to register with the government

00:06:39.260 uh, and, and do these type of things, uh, they started to weaponize marriage against men,

00:06:46.860 I believe. And I think that there is a lot of truth in what you're saying. I've got friends who

00:06:51.480 have gone through incredibly challenging and difficult divorces and have not been treated fairly

00:06:58.560 put to put it mildly with regards to custody with their children, uh, with regards to their

00:07:03.560 financial arrangements. And it could be a very, very horrible, horrible situation for the man.

00:07:10.640 And the statistics show that it's more likely the man that gets the, the shorter end of the stick,

00:07:15.920 so to speak in that. So yeah, I'm not a huge fan of getting the government involved in anything

00:07:21.700 specifically in, uh, my intimate and romantic relationship with my wife. That's just not

00:07:27.560 something I think they should be involved with. And you know, what, what is the answer? I think the

00:07:33.280 answer is that I'm trying to think of all angles on this and I haven't completely fleshed it out.

00:07:38.740 So I'm glad you asked. I believe that a man can commit and a woman can commit through an agreement.

00:07:45.140 And I would even say it can be a written agreement. And I think there is value in

00:07:48.760 signing a contract, if you will, just to break everything else down and say, Hey, this is,

00:07:53.400 I'm committed to you and you're committed to me. I don't know about registering that with the

00:07:57.360 government though. That's something that's changed for me. And I'd be, I'd be willing to have that

00:08:02.020 conversation with anybody that wants to have it, but I don't want the government involved in my life

00:08:05.960 at all. So why would I get them involved in these types of decisions? Now you are right about the,

00:08:12.480 uh, the risk versus reward. One thing I take issue, Alan, with what you said, as you said,

00:08:16.980 many women don't give the passion that that men desire. Uh, and they want their husbands to stop

00:08:21.940 engaging in hobbies. They love. I mean, you're a man, right? We're all men. And that is true,

00:08:27.240 I think, but I believe that most women want their men to have friends, to engage in hobbies,

00:08:36.140 to have purpose and meaning outside of them as their wife. I believe that's the case,

00:08:42.000 but we, as men, generally speaking, give that up so easily. We're so willing to give that away

00:08:48.440 because we think, well, we have to be with our woman the whole time, or now we have children.

00:08:52.080 And so I have to be with them all the time. And that's just not the case. And it creates a lot

00:08:58.080 of hardship and a lot of challenges and frustration in relationships. So definitely if you are going to

00:09:02.840 be bonded and have a union with somebody, uh, you do want to make sure that you still have your

00:09:08.180 hobbies. You do want to keep your friends. Do you do want to have time away from your partner?

00:09:12.260 And that goes for women just as well as it goes for men. Uh, but yeah, we, we, as men need to

00:09:17.600 start examining and revisiting government type marriages, because I have seen a real problem

00:09:25.200 with a lot of men getting worked over. But that said, I believe in the power and the union, uh,

00:09:30.220 between a man and a woman. That's what I believe marriage is, even though, uh, the government is

00:09:35.940 trying to change that through, uh, what do they call it? The, the marriage. I can't remember exactly

00:09:42.480 what they call it, but the, the recognition of marriage act or something is something along those

00:09:45.940 lines, which actually just completely dismantles and redefines marriage. And that's a whole other

00:09:49.900 conversation, but those are my thoughts for now. I'm sure I'll have more to go. So there you go.

00:09:55.680 All right. This one comes from Dan Smith. He says as Brecken, if you don't know Brecken is my oldest

00:10:02.120 son, we do a podcast together called man in the making, uh, as Brecken is going through his teenage

00:10:07.400 years, how has homeschooling changed for him? Do you see it continuing as is for the rest of the high

00:10:14.200 school years? Well, it's always evolving. I mean, it truly is. And so we're, as he gets older,

00:10:19.140 of course, his interests are going to change. Um, the, the things that we're teaching him are going

00:10:25.280 to change. He's very involved in his business, which is called man in the making, very similar

00:10:30.180 to what we're doing here, except for young men. Uh, he's involved in the store, shipping orders,

00:10:36.280 ordering inventory, doing customer service. Uh, and then outside of that, we're always looking for

00:10:42.400 ways to teach and coach and educate and train outside of your traditional school setting or

00:10:48.360 even traditional homeschooling, which is sit down in a classroom and mom and, or dad are going to sit

00:10:54.160 there and, and, you know, deliver a lesson for you, which we do. Certainly my, my wife obviously

00:11:00.600 carries the, the, the responsibility of the weight of that responsibility. Um, but yeah, we, we're always

00:11:06.860 looking for opportunities to, uh, take our kids on vacation or take them to different places.

00:11:12.540 And then they, one thing my wife does really well is if we're going somewhere, maybe it's, um,

00:11:17.640 somewhere in the States or even, even outside of the country is she'll spend time researching with

00:11:24.480 them and they have to research about that country and what they're going to learn and what the culture

00:11:28.160 is and what the religious beliefs are. And then they're responsible for learning that and then

00:11:33.240 presenting it to her. So there's a lot of cool things that we do there. Uh, but yeah, I'm, I'm

00:11:37.680 always business friendly. So, uh, my, my second son, he's, he'll be turning 12. Uh, he's getting

00:11:45.600 more involved in managing the store down too. And so there's a lot of life lessons that come from that

00:11:50.360 outside of just learning math, for example. So yeah, there'll be things that evolve and change and

00:11:55.720 grow. And of course, my oldest is now more interested in girls and he's more interested in hanging out

00:11:59.540 with his friends. So there's those opportunities. Uh, he played football for the high school,

00:12:04.380 even though he was homeschooled. That's that, that you can do that in Maine. You can't do that

00:12:09.120 everywhere, but you can do it in Maine and other States as well. Uh, so yeah, it'll continue to

00:12:14.160 evolve and we'll just pay attention and figure out where we need to add takeaway change, et cetera,

00:12:19.300 et cetera. All right. Next one comes from Dustin Stokes, a little bit of a longer one here,

00:12:25.200 but he says, I have two boys, 10 and 12 as they grow into their teens and beyond. Are there some

00:12:31.760 milestones, rites of passage moments that you have implemented or are looking forward to with your

00:12:37.200 kids? I grew up on a ranch with four brothers, a strong faith filled family. And so a lot of what

00:12:42.600 I see other guys have to create experiences just happened as a part of life, but there wasn't any

00:12:48.280 rituals or moments created per se. It was just a normal life, which was usually hard work, fixing things,

00:12:53.760 working in nature and playing at the Lake, which I'm grateful for. We didn't have a lot of climbing

00:12:57.880 summits or whitewater rafting in Oklahoma. Makes sense. Uh, living in the city now newly divorced. I

00:13:03.320 want to continue my own family's traditions as much as I can, but I also want to craft those moments

00:13:09.720 and create new events, activities, looking to see what other guys do and look for. Uh, I've done a lot

00:13:15.460 of conversations, not recently, I don't think, but a lot of conversations on rites of passage. So if you

00:13:21.760 go to order a man.com and you type in rites of passage, uh, you will find at least two, maybe

00:13:27.860 three or four podcasts that I've done on the subject and all of the things that should be

00:13:33.140 included in a rite of passage. It's a great thing that you grew up on a ranch. You had a lot of those

00:13:38.300 activities built in just as your, your way of life. But a lot of these city kids, you know, they don't

00:13:43.360 have those same opportunities or if dad's out of the picture, of course they don't have those

00:13:46.760 opportunities. So I would say more, a more traditional route might be through sports and

00:13:53.160 I would get involved if, if you can. Uh, that's one thing I'm going to be doing more of as we move

00:13:58.540 into 2023 is getting back into coaching my, my children's sports. That's a good thing. Uh,

00:14:04.440 anytime you can, rather than just give you a specific example, I can share some characteristics

00:14:10.320 of a good rite, rite of passage. Number one, there has to be purpose to it. If it's just happening

00:14:15.100 just naturally, that's good. That's fine. But if there's no intentionality and purpose behind it,

00:14:21.040 you probably ought to add some of that purpose and, and meaning and significance to it. Number

00:14:26.200 two, it has to be difficult and it has to be challenging mentally, physically, emotionally,

00:14:31.560 even spiritually. It has to have a bit of challenge built in because if it doesn't have

00:14:36.680 that challenge built in, it's not really a hard thing. And it doesn't push your child in a,

00:14:41.700 in a meaningful or significant way. Uh, I, I like to add tasks to it. Uh, that might be,

00:14:47.780 uh, shooting or survival or setting up camp. Uh, my rites of passages are always involved with the

00:14:55.700 outdoors. I think that's important to get our kids outdoors and get them to see what nature has to

00:14:59.840 offer. Uh, there also has to be some sort of ritualized ceremony, if you will. I mean,

00:15:06.660 a hundred, a thousand years ago, maybe not a hundred, but a thousand years ago,

00:15:09.700 when tribes would do these rites of passages, they would literally take the young boys from

00:15:15.580 their mothers. And by the way, that's a qualifier is it has to be you and your son as men and other

00:15:21.660 men, if you want to have them involved too. But they would take their children from the mothers,

00:15:26.220 go out and do a challenging and difficult thing. It was ritualized. It was something they actually had

00:15:31.500 to complete. And there was a risk that they wouldn't complete because if there's no risk

00:15:36.240 that they can't do it, it's not really a rite of passage. There has to be something difficult that

00:15:41.620 they have to strive for and also overcome. But at the end, they were usually marked in some way,

00:15:46.060 whether that was a brand or circumcision or a tattoo. And I'm not necessarily suggesting

00:15:52.280 that you go that route, but that's what happened. But the idea of it was there was some sort of

00:15:59.340 physical representation to you and your son and the tribe that this young man had gone through

00:16:09.220 this rite of passage and everybody knows now and honors him as a man. Now, this might not happen

00:16:16.120 for you. And one thing, there might be a series of rites of passages. And that's what I do for my

00:16:21.240 children is we have these series that we go through and it includes all of those things.

00:16:27.240 And then also, I like an element of secrecy. And it's not to be secret, but there's certain things

00:16:34.780 that you can teach a boy or conversations that you can have. And there might be a few

00:16:40.300 elements to it that are just between you and him. Mom doesn't know. Siblings don't know. Sister

00:16:47.000 doesn't know. The only way the other boys will know is when they go through the rite of passage.

00:16:51.900 And that to me is an element of tribe. Hey, you're now one of us. Nobody else knows about

00:16:58.180 this, but we know about it. And this is how we operate and we keep it to ourselves. That's

00:17:02.980 powerful too. So those are some key elements. But again, you can go to orderofman.com and type

00:17:08.060 in rites of passage or rite of passage, and you will find a lot of information there. Great question.

00:17:13.380 Very, very important. All right. This one comes from George Sykes. He's been a long time

00:17:18.220 iron council member. He says, what practical tactics do you use to fight back the demons

00:17:25.540 that you may face? I'm just starting in my prayer life and I'm going to start praying

00:17:29.720 in moments of temptation and weakness of the flesh. But are there any other more concrete

00:17:33.920 tactics that you use? Excuse me. I know that the opposite of addiction is connection. So maybe

00:17:40.200 I should be seeking connection in moments when I'm tempted by my addictions. Yeah. I think

00:17:45.460 connection is crucial. I don't know if the opposite of addiction is connection. I'd have

00:17:50.740 to think on that a little bit more, but certainly connection to the right people in those moments

00:17:56.060 can distract you. And that's what I think we need to understand is that it's not a solution

00:18:02.080 to be connected to other people. It's a distraction technique, which is fine. But if you can't face

00:18:11.640 your demons, unless you have other people around, you're going to be in a very difficult spot because

00:18:17.920 there's going to be times in your life where you don't have anybody around. And so if you crumble

00:18:22.620 in those moments, you never really addressed the heart of the issue, the addiction or the underlying,

00:18:28.760 maybe it's trauma in the past or the underlying challenges or your conviction to even stop

00:18:37.120 engaging in that behavior. But that said, that's a tactic that you can use. Having the right people

00:18:43.840 in your corner, having somebody that you can call when you are tempted. I'm not saying those things

00:18:48.540 are wrong. I'm just saying if you can't face it down yourself. Another thing that you can do and I've

00:18:53.580 started to do is journal. When you feel like you want to engage in drinking alcohol or pornography

00:19:02.060 or gambling or drugs or any number of vices that you may be trying to eliminate, just getting that

00:19:09.420 out of your head and sitting down and writing that out. Why do I want to do this? Why do I feel the way

00:19:16.200 I feel right now? What is it going to mean when I overcome this temptation? What does it mean if I

00:19:21.740 don't? And if you start getting that information out of your head and you start writing it down,

00:19:26.520 you're going to find out pretty quickly because men, we tend to be, we are emotional, sure.

00:19:33.460 But we should be striving to think about these things logically. And when you get it out of your

00:19:39.280 brain and onto paper, it almost extracts the emotion from it, the feeling from it. And then

00:19:46.200 you can look at the words and say, okay, yeah, of course, I don't want to drink right now because

00:19:50.740 you spent some time writing it down. So not only did you distract yourself in the moment of weakness,

00:19:55.140 which is good. Now you're actually starting to get to the heart of the issue and learning real ways

00:20:00.740 that you can not avoid the temptation, but not to be tempted at all because you're doing that

00:20:07.600 emotional work that needs to happen for you to address the root of the issue. Outside of that,

00:20:14.280 of course, you know, don't, don't put yourself in environments where you are tempted, where you do

00:20:18.620 feel weak. Don't keep alcohol in the house if that's your thing, or, you know, you, maybe you don't

00:20:23.540 need to be going on to Vegas on vacation. Uh, if, if you have a gambling problem, you see what I'm

00:20:28.940 saying? Stay away from those things, get a good band of brothers in your corner that you can talk

00:20:34.180 with and then do some deep, real and emotional work by using journaling as a tactic or even a walk.

00:20:40.860 If you're feeling tempted or weak in a moment, get outside, go for a walk and start thinking about

00:20:47.560 again, why you're feeling this. Most of us, when we try to overcome these temptations and these

00:20:52.240 challenges, we subdue them. We just bury them with distractions and, and other addictions sometimes.

00:20:59.820 So we just bury them and we never deal with it. We just run away from it essentially. And at some

00:21:07.480 point it comes back to us and we're not able to face that weakness. When we see it, it's become

00:21:13.920 stronger in the dark and we succumb to it. So yeah, distracting yourself from it, burying it isn't

00:21:22.620 really the solution. Addressing it, dealing with it, going through the emotional work is what's going

00:21:28.940 to help you get past that. In addition to some of those more commonly held or known tactics. Okay.

00:21:36.440 All right. Next one comes from Isaiah Gray. Excuse me. He says, have you competed in a

00:21:44.620 jujitsu tournament before? And do you plan to compete at some point? Yeah. I've never competed

00:21:51.000 in a tournament. I've been training for almost four years. I think it's about solid. I started a

00:21:57.260 little before that, but solid for about three and a half years. And yeah, I've never competed. I dealt

00:22:03.160 with an injury earlier this year and that took me out of the game for a while. But I am interested

00:22:08.780 in competing. I just have never actively pursued that, but I've heard that you learn a lot when you

00:22:16.220 compete. I mean, you basically collapse time and accelerate your learning when you compete. So

00:22:23.280 I probably will at some point, but I have not yet. This one comes from Pierre Bonhomme. He says,

00:22:29.180 how do I maintain a religious practice when most people in my life are not believers

00:22:35.160 and dismiss or ridicule my Catholic faith? Well, there's a couple of things that I can

00:22:40.220 hit on right here. Number one, it really doesn't matter what they think about your faith.

00:22:49.300 It doesn't matter. If they dismiss it, that's fine. They're welcome to dismiss it. They're welcome to

00:22:55.860 believe whatever they believe that doesn't and should not impact you. If it does, that's your

00:23:00.520 first problem. Why do you care so much about the approval of others specifically as it regards to

00:23:06.320 your faith? And they might ridicule it. Now, here's one thing I found about ridicule is not everything

00:23:14.140 is malicious, especially when it comes to buddies. But I've seen a lot of people, a lot of men get

00:23:21.860 really heated and really uptight and offended, deliberately offended when buddies might poke at

00:23:30.760 it a little bit. And I found that if you do that, it's only going to make it worse, right?

00:23:37.600 It's kind of like the older brother picking on his little sister or brother. The more heated the

00:23:42.100 little sister or brother gets, the more, the harder the older brother pushes because he knows he's

00:23:47.040 hitting on the right buttons. But if he sees that his actions aren't bothering his little brother

00:23:54.580 and little sister, eventually it just gets old. And so, I found in my own life when my friends

00:24:00.640 are poking at something that I believe in or even my work, sometimes they'll poke at my work,

00:24:06.460 again, not maliciously, just to give me a hard time. And I think it's part of a test. I'll get to

00:24:10.780 that in a minute. And I joke with them because it is funny. If you think about religion, some of the

00:24:18.400 symbolism, some of the rituals, some of the activities, some of the verbiage that we use

00:24:22.260 when it comes to religion is actually objectively kind of strange. It's kind of funny. And if you can

00:24:30.020 step back and separate your emotions from it, then I think you'll see that, yeah, it's funny

00:24:36.420 to an outside observer. And there's no real reason to get uptight. In fact, if you can joke about it,

00:24:42.340 laugh about it, maybe even poke fun at yourself, it's not going to be as big a deal. It's when we

00:24:48.220 get heated and upset that people keep pushing, especially if they're trying to be malicious.

00:24:52.260 But I don't believe most people are malicious that way, especially if they're your friends or

00:24:57.100 your family members. They're just poking at you. And the other reason they might do it

00:25:01.600 is subconsciously, I think men test each other as men. And they test each other because they want

00:25:09.120 to know, is this somebody that I can have in my corner? Is this someone who will be strong enough

00:25:17.080 mentally and emotionally, maybe even spiritually in this context, strong enough to stand by me

00:25:24.440 when it hits the fan. And if this individual crumbles mentally and emotionally, because I

00:25:31.140 happen to be mocking him about his religion, that's a pretty good indicator. That's a sign of

00:25:38.120 weakness, frankly, that because somebody else is upset or poking at you that you get upset,

00:25:45.020 that's a sign of some emotional or mental immaturity and strong, bold, capable, courageous,

00:25:52.620 successful men aren't interested in having those types of men in their corner because they crumble

00:25:57.820 at the slightest sign of adversity. Imagine if there was even more adversity.

00:26:02.920 Now, the next point that I would say to you is when most people in my life are not believers,

00:26:08.960 why is that? Why are most of the people in your life not believers? And what can you do

00:26:15.840 to put yourself around other believers? Well, you obviously go to church. I'm assuming,

00:26:21.400 maybe that's not the case, but I imagine that you go to church. Why aren't those people in your life

00:26:26.860 more? What have you done for fellowship? What have you done to build camaraderie? What have you done

00:26:31.000 for the men in your congregation? And can you spend more time with them? Now, I get it. Maybe at work,

00:26:37.320 you know, you can't really dictate in a lot of ways who you're working with or who you're surrounded

00:26:41.400 by. But outside of work, outside of family interactions and engagements, you can choose

00:26:48.260 who you spend time with. So, let's not just paint ourselves into a corner and say, hey, you know,

00:26:54.720 most of the people in my life are not believers and they dismiss or ridicule my faith. Okay?

00:26:59.500 So, start working on bringing believers into your circle who aren't going to make fun of your faith,

00:27:06.060 who aren't going to undermine it, who are going to lift you up, who are going to edify you, who are

00:27:09.480 going to have these types of conversations with you and help you remain steadfast in the faith.

00:27:17.020 That's crucial. And we've talked at length about how to surround yourself with a band of brothers.

00:27:24.180 And if you want to learn more about that, go to orderaman.com and then type in the search bar

00:27:29.900 band of brothers. And you'll find how often we actually talk about that and why it's so important.

00:27:38.220 So, that's going to help you maintain your religious practice. And then confidence,

00:27:43.220 you know, confidence that you won't be shaken by other people. I hope that helps. It's a good

00:27:47.880 question. All right. So, let me do a refresh here and see if there's any other questions. Again,

00:27:53.220 those came from our brothers in the Iron Council. And as I'm pulling these up, I want to let you know

00:27:59.780 again that the Iron Council is going to be open tomorrow, December 15th. So, make sure that you

00:28:09.980 go to orderman.com slash Iron Council to be notified when we open up. All right. So, it looks like that's

00:28:18.220 it for the Iron Council. Let's jump over to Facebook. This is our Facebook group. If you're

00:28:25.940 interested in this, it's a free group. You can go to facebook.com slash groups slash order of man. It looks like

00:28:31.780 we have, it says two, but let me just do a refresh on this because we might actually have some more that came

00:28:38.060 in. Maybe not. All right. Here we go. So, this one comes from Lawrence White. I'm getting easy names.

00:28:46.160 Kip usually gets the difficult names. He says, how does one communicate a problem with a close loved

00:28:51.120 one regarding a certain action that is directly affecting the individual and oneself? Communicating

00:28:57.620 it to another person, mother, father, or close family member. One example would be,

00:29:03.660 my mother is an alcoholic and chooses to do that over anything. Being present in my life,

00:29:09.280 my daughter's life, et cetera. I'm going to talk on that in a minute. This is not the type of action

00:29:14.020 that I want my daughter to be around and be influenced by. I love my mother, but how do I

00:29:18.000 set that boundary in a loving yet clear way? It also affects my own life as it's my mother and I hate

00:29:24.540 seeing her that way and seeing her destroy her health and potentially in life. I want her to be part

00:29:30.660 of my family's life and be a contributing grandmother in my daughter's life as my daughter

00:29:35.180 gets older. I know I can't change her. Change has to come through her wanting it. I'm stuck

00:29:40.120 with communicating in a way that she will know I love her, but I won't allow myself or my daughter

00:29:46.400 to be affected by her actions. Thank you for any light. You may be able to shine on this topic.

00:29:50.960 Thanks for all you guys do. All right. A lot to unpack here. As you guys know, if you've been

00:29:55.200 listening to the podcast, I talked a lot about my, not a lot, but I talked a little bit last week

00:29:59.260 about my battle with alcohol and me being an alcoholic. And I want, I want you to be really

00:30:06.200 careful in saying my mother's an alcoholic and chooses to do that over any other thing.

00:30:15.580 I'm not dismissing the fact that it's a choice. We all make choices, some good choices, some poor

00:30:21.800 choices. And yes, she is making a choice to drink because she's a sentient, responsible human being.

00:30:28.580 So she is making a choice, but be careful in pitting that there because what that's going to

00:30:35.600 do is make you think that you're less important because she's battling with alcohol. And you may not

00:30:42.720 know, and I'm assuming here, but if it was like me, I knew I wanted to stop drinking. And there were

00:30:50.460 so many times that I said I was going to quit so many things that I tried and I never did.

00:30:56.440 And I know people were hurt by it because they thought that I was choosing to do that over them.

00:31:02.700 And it's just not how I viewed it. I didn't view it. I can see how they would think that,

00:31:09.100 but I personally didn't view it that way. I had a real problem and I felt trapped and I wanted to

00:31:15.200 get untrapped because I did want to be engaged in the people that I love their lives. So just be,

00:31:22.360 be careful, be aware of what you're pinning on her that may not be representative of what's

00:31:29.620 actually happening. Now, the other thing you say here is that you're struggling with how to share

00:31:34.960 her, share with her that you love her. Let me paint this in a different light.

00:31:38.740 How does not telling her communicate your love?

00:31:46.440 Think about that. How does not communicating this problem that you see with somebody who's

00:31:51.980 negatively impacted by the choices they're making, how does not saying anything about it

00:31:56.580 show that you love her? The answer is it doesn't. You're not actually worried about

00:32:04.940 loving her. You're worried about yourself. You're being selfish.

00:32:12.020 And I know that's not what you want to hear, but you're worried not so much about her feelings

00:32:17.680 as much as you're worried about you being the one to hurt her feelings, which is more selfish

00:32:25.880 than selfless. And I know how that sounds, but if you really strip everything else away,

00:32:32.420 that's the issue. It's not that you don't want to confront her. It's that you don't want to be

00:32:38.340 the one that causes her pain. So can you honestly say that it's in her best interest

00:32:43.460 to not say anything? Or is it in your best interest to not say anything? There were people,

00:32:50.900 when I told people that I was an alcoholic and that I was working on fixing it, there were people

00:32:55.020 who said, oh, I knew. Really? You knew and you didn't say anything? They were scared.

00:33:04.800 They were scared. And I, on the other end of this equation, wish they would have said something.

00:33:11.640 So ask yourself, are you being loving by not addressing it? Or are you being more loving

00:33:17.280 by addressing it? And I believe that love, whether it's romantic or platonic, I believe that love

00:33:25.040 requires sacrifice. And if you genuinely love your mother, and I imagine that you do,

00:33:31.260 then there's going to be a risk associated with her, with you establishing those boundaries.

00:33:36.620 And I would say it pretty much just like you said it, mom, it's clear that you're an alcoholic.

00:33:42.840 I love you. I want to help you. I want you to get the help you need. But I also have a family

00:33:49.480 that I have to look over. And I can't allow your decisions to impact negatively my life,

00:33:55.720 my wife's life, my children's life. So we're not going to be around when you're drinking.

00:34:01.760 Or if I know you're drinking, or if I know you're putting myself or my children in harm's way,

00:34:06.760 we're not doing that. And then you actually have to do it because it's probably going to happen.

00:34:11.640 Now, I'm not saying we can't offer and afford grace. We should be able to.

00:34:17.380 But if she crosses a boundary that you've established, and this is important,

00:34:21.620 communicated with her, then you actually have to uphold the boundary. Because if you don't,

00:34:27.000 then you're a liar. And you're enabling her. Because there's no consequence to her making those

00:34:32.660 poor choices. So let's not get so stuck on the, I don't know how she's going to feel. And it doesn't

00:34:41.120 matter. And there is a risk. And she might be upset, but you love her. And you want her to get

00:34:46.200 better. And confronting it is the way that you do it. Of course, with grace, with class, with dignity,

00:34:52.240 with respect, with love in your words, in your tone, in your inflection, not being accusatory,

00:34:58.740 not trying to guilt her, not trying to say, oh, you're choosing alcohol. No, like being real,

00:35:03.460 like I'm worried about your health. I'm worried about what this is doing to your motivation. I'm worried

00:35:07.500 about what this is doing to your ambition. I'm worried about how long you're going to live. I

00:35:10.900 worry about what this is doing to your body. Like you can bring up all of those challenges

00:35:17.000 in a constructive way, and then also communicate and uphold that boundary. That to me is a bigger

00:35:23.360 sign of love than avoiding this uncomfortable conversation. And it is, I definitely know that it

00:35:29.580 is. All right. This one comes from Tim Wayne. It's either Wayne's or Ween's. Wayne's or Ween's.

00:35:36.300 Tim says, what's your thoughts on spiritual bypassing? Not familiar with that term. Let's

00:35:42.280 see if he fleshes that out a little bit. Family, friends that are quick to throw the Bible,

00:35:46.540 spiritual applications at you, your loved ones without understanding deep emotional pain and

00:35:51.040 insecurities in family root systems, just how to communicate with them, like how much or how little

00:35:56.500 boundaries, et cetera, without coming across as a victim, but also not just cutting them out of your

00:36:02.060 life. Well, again, this, we have to take intent into consideration when we're communicating with

00:36:08.860 people. So this has been the underlying theme of this podcast has been communication with people

00:36:14.060 that we love. It's crucial that we take intent into the equation because a lot of the times we don't,

00:36:21.620 we just take the words and then we interpret those words through our lens and, or their words through

00:36:27.660 our lens. And then we just assume we know what they mean. And we don't ever take any of the intent

00:36:33.020 into it and offer and afford some grace or some wiggle room if they fail to communicate something

00:36:39.400 the way that you would have them communicate it. So I don't think for the most part that you have

00:36:45.680 family and friends who are throwing Bible or spiritual applications at you to get you.

00:36:51.480 I don't think, and I could be wrong, but I think in the overwhelming majority of the cases, if

00:36:57.680 somebody's sharing Bible verses or, or, or spiritual applications with you or at you, I mean, you even

00:37:05.200 say at you, it's like, they're not doing it at you. They're doing it with you. If it's conversation,

00:37:09.600 or maybe they even believe they're doing it for you. It says your loved ones, and they don't

00:37:13.640 understand the deep emotional pain and insecurities and family root systems, right? They're your loved

00:37:18.180 ones. And how could they understand a lot of this that you're going through? They didn't experience

00:37:23.360 it. They didn't go through that. And maybe you've shared with them some emotional pain or some trauma

00:37:28.460 or some past insecurities, and they're giving you what they have. Like that's it. So imagine,

00:37:34.920 for example, if you wanted to build a house and you went to a friend, cause you know, he had tools

00:37:41.500 and he's got all the tools, but he doesn't have a nail gun. Can he give you a nail gun?

00:37:46.200 No, he can't give you a nail gun because he doesn't have one. He has the tools that he has.

00:37:51.720 And so he's going to give those tools to you because he loves you and he cares about you and

00:37:55.800 he wants you to build the house. So he's going to give you the tools that he has, but he can't

00:38:00.000 give you anything he doesn't have. You have to get that somewhere else. So you go to another

00:38:06.280 neighbor, another friend and say, Hey, look, I've got a screwdriver and I've got this and tape

00:38:09.500 measure and all this stuff. I need a nail gun. Do you have one? And that guy says, yeah,

00:38:12.540 I have a nail gun. Here you go. You can use it. So let's not assume that everybody has all of the

00:38:20.140 tools that we need. If they don't have that understanding of the deep, quote unquote,

00:38:26.580 deep emotional pain and insecurities in family root systems, then they can't help you address that.

00:38:32.160 And that's okay. So what they're using is they're using the tools in their tool belt

00:38:36.100 to give you what they think you need because they care about you. And that's the context.

00:38:43.360 So I would strive to listen to what they have to share with you. If they're credible sources and

00:38:49.220 you know, they love you. I would strive to listen with an ear of understanding and what

00:38:54.620 about their saying could actually be applicable in my life. Because there might be some things that

00:39:00.360 are actually applicable in your life that you've been overlooking because it's spiritual connotation.

00:39:08.680 But if you need something else that those people can't give you, then you have to go somewhere else

00:39:12.500 and look for the tool somewhere else. Now, how to communicate with them, like how much or how

00:39:18.240 little boundaries, et cetera, just let them know. Just be forward. Just be upfront. Hey, look,

00:39:26.380 I'm, I'm, I'm doing this. I'm going through this battle right now. You know, we've talked a little

00:39:30.200 bit about spirituality. I don't really want to have that conversation. Sometimes you could just

00:39:34.380 not have that conversation, but if they keep bringing it up and you're not interested, then

00:39:37.580 you just say, Hey, look, I'm not really interested in that conversation right now. You know, where I

00:39:42.040 am in life and what I'm thinking about. That's just not a conversation I'm interested in having.

00:39:45.320 I still love you. I still appreciate everything that you share with me and everything you've done

00:39:49.380 with me in the past. But yeah, that's not a conversation I'm interested in. And that takes some balls,

00:39:53.780 but that's how you establish boundaries with people. Again, it has to involve risk. And the

00:39:58.880 risk is you might lose them as a friend or you might offend them. Okay. I mean, there's,

00:40:05.880 there's healthy ways to bring up difficult discussions, but yeah, you might actually offend

00:40:10.660 them. And so what establish those boundaries, communicate those boundaries, and then uphold

00:40:17.220 the boundaries. All right. Let's see if we have any more here. We got a difficult name now.

00:40:21.960 So this is Derek Hudson Beeler, Hudson Beeler. I think that's right.

00:40:27.820 This is the last question of the day, guys. He says, what are your thoughts on hiring friends

00:40:30.800 and family? I have a business that is not even a year old, just getting into winter and in the

00:40:35.820 metal fabrication world, things start to slow down. I have two bids in for big jobs that could

00:40:40.700 easily keep me busy into the spring and possibly one other guy. However, those jobs are not guaranteed

00:40:45.940 yet. And what I do have guaranteed will keep me busy for the rest of the year.

00:40:51.660 I am not entirely sure I am ready to hire someone. I'm almost going to stop you right here and say,

00:40:56.140 you already know the answer, but let's keep going. But my little brother is in need of a job. Here we

00:41:00.160 go. This is where it gets challenging here. His last hitch on the drilling rigs, he watched his

00:41:06.240 friend get killed rough. He wants out, but I don't know if I have a job for him or if I want to cross

00:41:12.800 into the murky waters of hiring family, any advice would be appreciated. All right. So

00:41:16.180 let's address it. Like you actually have work for him. You could act, you actually have enough work

00:41:22.720 for him and you need him and you want him on board. Would you hire him if he wasn't your family member?

00:41:31.340 Is he a hard worker? Does he get the job done? Does he take initiative? Did he show up on time? Does

00:41:36.100 he do his assignments or his tasks or his jobs correctly? Like, would you hire him if he wasn't

00:41:40.740 your family member? If the answer is no, then you should not hire that person.

00:41:46.080 If the answer is yes, you maybe still shouldn't hire that person because now you have to think

00:41:51.180 about your professional relationship. Can you have a professional relationship? Do you guys get along?

00:41:58.120 Can he see you as the authority in this situation because it's your company? Think all of this stuff

00:42:05.100 through because if you just jump right into it, man, you could be setting yourself and him,

00:42:09.560 by the way, up for a very, very poor and negative situation. One that could actually create a lot

00:42:14.960 of risk and division within the family. So the first thing is, would you hire him if he wasn't

00:42:20.120 your family member? If it's no, then don't hire him. If it's, yeah, I think I would. Then now you

00:42:25.780 start thinking about the family side of things. Okay. What's the dynamic? Am I the older brother,

00:42:29.380 the younger brother? What's our relationship been in the past? When we've had problems in the past,

00:42:33.720 how has that been dealt with? Do we both hide? Do we both get angry with each other? Like there's things

00:42:38.860 that you know about your history that could let you know whether or not you work well together.

00:42:43.080 And if you don't work well together, don't do it. And if you do, maybe still even don't do it,

00:42:48.460 but think through all of those things. Now, I know you love your brother. I think you said that,

00:42:54.580 but if you didn't, I'm just going through the thing here. It's clear that you do because your

00:43:00.160 brother had an unfortunate situation where he watched his friend get killed on a drilling rig

00:43:05.020 and he wants to get out of that, but you don't have a job. So let's just say hypothetically,

00:43:10.180 you offer him a position and work dries up or you don't end up getting the bid. You don't get the job.

00:43:18.900 Then what do you do? Well, now you can do one of two things. You can keep them on board with you

00:43:23.600 and then you have to pay them, but you don't have any money to pay them. So how are you going to feel

00:43:28.800 about that? You're going to, you're going to get bitter and resentful and there's going to be

00:43:34.480 contention and it's not going to be good. The alternative is you can let him go and then he's

00:43:42.880 going to be upset with you. And that's going to create division and frustration and hostility

00:43:47.260 towards each other. And by the way, you telling him that you have a job and he comes over believing

00:43:54.180 that you actually have a job and then you can't sustain the work. What'd you do? You pulled him

00:43:58.140 off the rig and you took away his income because now he's got to go, maybe he can go back. Maybe

00:44:04.700 he can't. Now he's got to go find another job, but it was because you told him that you could hire him

00:44:08.220 and bring him on. I just see too many red flags in this situation. I really do. First, it's family.

00:44:18.500 Second, you don't know if you have enough work, but I don't, I don't see this going well personally.

00:44:26.720 So I lean towards no, not doing that. Now, what can you do? You can ask your friends,

00:44:34.340 Hey, do you have a job? Like you can help him in a, in a job search. You can network for him. You

00:44:40.280 can even get, if he's a hard worker, make sure he is. Cause you don't want to ruin your credibility,

00:44:43.640 but you can even go to bat for him. You can reach out to people. You can use your network

00:44:48.600 for helping him. And that would be a loving thing to do without having to make the mistake

00:44:56.020 of bringing them on board when you don't have the work to do it. But there's so many red flags in

00:45:02.440 what you said. And even the fact that you're asking me this, you know, that there's red flags

00:45:07.680 flags and you're trying to minimize them. Don't minimize them. They're legitimate red flags coming

00:45:13.340 from an objective third party. They are, they are legitimate red flags. So tread lightly.

00:45:20.460 All right. Do we have any others? Doesn't look like it. I'm going to refresh that. I'm going to go

00:45:25.080 back over here to the iron council and see if we missed any questions. And if we did not,

00:45:29.700 then we'll wrap it up. And if we did, I'll see if we can answer them.

00:45:35.300 Okay. It looks like we might have one more question. Yep. This one comes from Jay Carlson.

00:45:41.500 So I haven't read this question yet. So we'll see what we can do. Bit of a long one. I listened

00:45:45.620 to the Keith Yackey podcast. That was the one we did on marriage the other day. And it was really

00:45:49.460 great. He's got a lot of good information for husbands to build back a marriage. I'm currently

00:45:53.500 trying to do this, but it seems to be failing. Well, I'm definitely not where I want to be

00:45:57.200 personally. I do know that I'm working on being the best that I can be. Keith talks a lot about

00:46:01.700 getting yourself right. And once you're there, you can decide if your wife, spouse, significant

00:46:05.180 other is worthy of writing shotgun with you. While I understand this idea, it's not easy to

00:46:10.080 just tell them they can't write anymore. Can you talk about that idea a little and how someone goes

00:46:15.580 about one, knowing you're at a place of being the best version of you to going about deciding that

00:46:21.720 your spouse is not worthy of writing shotgun anymore. We talk about this sort of idea,

00:46:26.400 getting rid of people in your life. We're not lifting you up with our friends, jobs,

00:46:30.000 acquaintances a lot, but not that often with our spouses. Yeah. That's one area that I do take a

00:46:36.500 little bit issue with about the whole writing shotgun thing. You committed to a woman. I believe that

00:46:42.820 if you asked her to marry you, you committed to her. I committed to my wife. I'm not going to throw

00:46:47.960 in the towel on that. Now there may be situations where it's out of your control and you're not making

00:46:55.000 that decision, but I've made that decision. I made that decision a long time ago and I'm going

00:46:59.040 to honor that decision. If she decides that she's no longer interested, that's a different

00:47:03.820 conversation. But I decided that she could ride shotgun and that was my decision. But I've also

00:47:10.520 ran across very few situations. Maybe I just haven't heard of any, but very few situations where

00:47:16.880 if you are actively working on improving yourself and getting better, that she's not going to start

00:47:24.560 improving as well. Usually that's the case. I don't know what's going on in your marriage.

00:47:30.560 I don't know if you're having troubles with her or she's having troubles with you.

00:47:35.880 If she's having troubles with you, then you just need to do everything that you possibly can,

00:47:42.080 regardless of her response, regardless of how she feels, regardless of what she says or does

00:47:48.080 and just go to work on being the best you. Now, how do you know, this is your first question,

00:47:53.160 that you're at a place of being the best version? I'm going to tell you right now, you're not.

00:47:56.380 You never will be. You will never be at a place of being the best version of you.

00:48:02.160 Because the minute you get to that so-called place, you've learned a new set of skills,

00:48:06.660 a new set of behaviors, and you're producing different results in your life. And therefore,

00:48:10.080 you're capable of doing even more. So it's not about arriving at some place where you're the

00:48:14.880 best version of you. It's about working daily, every single day on the spiritual practices,

00:48:21.020 on the physical practices, on your finances, on your faith, on the way you communicate,

00:48:26.900 on your business, every facet of your life, you're taking one step, then another, then another,

00:48:32.540 then another for you. And let me tell you why this is important. And this is something that I've

00:48:38.520 been focused on over the past three or four months. It's very important that it's for you.

00:48:44.680 Because if it's contingent upon the way that she responds, or anybody responds for that matter,

00:48:50.340 you don't have control over that. And if they respond in a way that you don't want them to,

00:48:57.320 then that might change your behavior because you were not doing it for yourself,

00:49:01.980 you were doing it for other people. So you have to do it for yourself. And the best way I found to

00:49:07.980 do that is again, to journals, to start writing these things out. Hey, today I did X, Y, and Z,

00:49:13.880 and here's how I feel. And here's the temptations I overcame. And here's what I did when I wanted to

00:49:19.020 wake up. And here's what you just document it all. So you can start to see what your wins are.

00:49:23.320 Now, if she's not responding, I mean, again, I committed to this woman and I think she's going

00:49:37.160 to be influenced, but let's just say she's not, or let's say she's doing things that you don't

00:49:44.420 approve of. Well, you know, you have to have some boundaries in place. One of those might be,

00:49:49.280 and I'm not saying this is the case, but one of those might be that she cheats on you.

00:49:53.860 That might be a boundary. That might mean that, Hey, this, at that point, this is a woman who

00:49:59.200 doesn't get to ride shotgun with me anymore, but you have to figure out what those are. What,

00:50:03.680 what is your boundary? What will you tolerate? What will you absolutely not tolerate? Meaning what

00:50:08.480 is the thing that you will, you will tear down the marriage over infidelity? Maybe I'm not going

00:50:14.920 to make those decisions for you, but that might be it. Um, abuse. If she's verbally or emotionally or,

00:50:21.020 or physically abusive to you or your children, that's probably a pretty healthy boundary. One

00:50:26.620 that you'd be willing to give up your marriage for. What are those things? And has she crossed those

00:50:32.700 lines? If she hasn't, then I think that you owe it to her because you did commit to her and you owe it

00:50:38.860 to yourself to continue to work through the issues together. I can't give you a hard and fast

00:50:44.820 rule. If she does X, Y, and Z, then you're gone and she's not worthy of it anymore, but you do have

00:50:48.520 to establish what your boundaries are. One that you would let the marriage go for and communicate

00:50:54.540 those with her. And, and even those, you know, it's like if, if a spouse, again, I'm not going to

00:51:02.280 decide for you, but I'm saying I've seen situations where spouses, wives have stepped out on their

00:51:06.320 husbands and they've reconciled and they actually have a really good, a really good marriage.

00:51:10.440 So it can happen. So my, my boundaries are not the same as yours, but you have to decide what

00:51:16.340 they are for you. And if they're not outside the boundaries, then I feel like you still have a

00:51:21.140 commitment to this woman. Tough one. Not one I can give you an easy answer to, but it sounds like you

00:51:25.580 have some, some thinking, some contemplation to take place here. Okay. All right, guys, those are

00:51:30.460 some great questions. I appreciate you bringing them all up. Again, we were in our Facebook group,

00:51:35.200 free group, facebook.com slash group slash order of man. And then we were also in our iron council.

00:51:41.100 We had some of those questions. That last one came from an iron council member. And by the way,

00:51:45.760 there's a marriage channel in the iron council. So Jay, if you're not part of that, I'm sure you

00:51:49.500 are. But for those of you who are not in the iron council, we have channels, topical channels based

00:51:54.420 on marriage and fatherhood and overcoming addiction, firearms, outdoors, health, entrepreneurship,

00:52:01.740 a lot of different channels where literally hundreds and hundreds of men are having these

00:52:05.820 types of conversations on the daily. Okay. It's open tomorrow, December 15th, 2022. So please check

00:52:12.440 it out. Order of man.com slash iron council. We'd love to have you be a member and we'd love to have

00:52:16.720 you there. And hopefully we can serve you and I'm sure you can serve us as well. This is a reciprocal

00:52:20.860 relationship inside the brotherhood or a man.com slash iron council. All right, guys, we'll be back

00:52:26.040 next week. Uh, no, not next week, Friday, Friday until then go out there, take action and become

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Order of Man - December 14, 2022

Steadfast in the Faith, Is Your Wife Worthy of You, and Battling Demons ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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