Order of Man - Strategy Vs. Execution, Dealing with a Bad Boss, and Not Making Yourself the Victim

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:06.020 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.480 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.

00:00:15.520 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.

00:00:19.760 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:25.600 Kiff, it's glad to be back on the Ask Me Anything. I know, obviously, last week I was gone.

00:00:29.780 How are you feeling, man? Have you recovered from your PTSD of having to do it by yourself?

00:00:34.820 I'm trying to recover. In fact, I'm just happy that someone else is on this mic with me.

00:00:40.080 I'll be honest, it was a little intimidating going solo.

00:00:42.920 Yeah, it's intimidating. It's really, really awkward.

00:00:45.920 But to your credit, man, you did an excellent job, and we got a ton of positive feedback.

00:00:50.260 So I'm actually just thinking about making that a permanent thing.

00:00:52.160 I didn't tell you that yet, but we're considering just having you run the AMAs from now on.

00:00:58.180 I wouldn't be surprised if you've whittled some type of strategy into your grand scheme of order of man.

00:01:04.320 Yeah, a lot of people think what I do is random, and it's not.

00:01:07.540 It's very, very calculated down to the T.

00:01:10.240 I'm just kidding.

00:01:11.060 It's so random.

00:01:12.340 It is.

00:01:13.800 The one thing I will say that I'm really, really good at, it's executing.

00:01:17.820 You know, I might not always get it right, but I'm very good at execution.

00:01:23.480 The strategy stuff is not necessarily my strength.

00:01:26.600 I'm just like, go, go, go.

00:01:27.720 We'll figure it out along the way, and if we mess up, we'll just draw back a little bit, regroup, and then get back into it.

00:01:33.900 So it's not some grand design here, guys.

00:01:38.260 We're flying by the seat of our pants.

00:01:39.920 You know, what's great about that, Ryan, though, is if you focus all your time on strategy, then the strategy has to be right.

00:01:48.540 But if you spend less time on strategy, and you just take action, and you do what you do is excellence in all that you do, guess what?

00:01:56.220 Things kind of work themselves out.

00:01:58.160 Well, and the other side I think about, too, is like, what's the greater threat?

00:02:01.180 Is the greater threat that you don't plan it well enough, or is the greater threat that you never take action on your ideas?

00:02:10.760 And overwhelmingly, the majority of people, the greater threat in their life is that they just don't take action.

00:02:16.180 I mean, we're not talking about brain surgery here, right?

00:02:18.520 What we're doing here is not life or death.

00:02:20.600 So if we mess up, you know, we may lose a few thousand bucks or something or kill some time that could have been used somewhere else.

00:02:28.920 But they're all learning experiences, and nobody's going to die because we mess up.

00:02:33.320 Yeah, and there's – I feel like we've said this so many times, but there's so much learning in just in doing that you wouldn't even know – you would be unaware,

00:02:42.900 and you would not have the opportunity to even learn from the scenarios without the action, right?

00:02:48.280 That action was required to learn those lessons.

00:02:52.020 Yeah, that's true, and you can lay this perfect plan and strategy in every situation going absolutely correct, right?

00:03:02.460 In this very controlled, isolated environment of your mind.

00:03:06.220 And yet, when you start implementing this stuff, you realize, oh, not only did I not plan for that, I didn't even anticipate that that could potentially come up.

00:03:16.640 So you can't plan for everything.

00:03:18.040 You plan the best you can, do what you can, but if it's keeping you from inaction, then the planning and the strategy is becoming a hindrance rather than actually helping you progress towards whatever path you're wanting to walk.

00:03:29.860 And that's why I love your story about how you got started podcasting.

00:03:32.680 I think that's a perfect example of just taking action, and then opportunities and ideas and learning presented themselves, and then it evolved into what it is today.

00:03:43.480 That's awesome.

00:03:43.880 Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because a lot of people will ask me like, hey, how did you build Order of Man?

00:03:50.360 How have you had so much success over the past four years?

00:03:52.860 And we've done a lot of things right.

00:03:54.300 I mean, let's not discount that.

00:03:55.460 I work my tail off to ensure that what we're doing here is valuable, that we're bringing high-quality guests on, that the programs and the services and everything that we're offering to the events and the products, to all of that stuff is top-notch.

00:04:11.140 All right, I'm not discounting that, but when I see articles from the American Psychological Association dismissing, not even dismissing, just flat-out saying that masculinity is somehow inherently wrong or bad or evil, and then just add after add after add, dismissing and downplaying and undermining and mocking and ridiculing masculinity, I can't help but be a little excited about that, knowing that, frankly, we just stepped into something that had been of interest of mine.

00:04:38.660 We just stepped into it at the right moment, and the market was completely ready for what it is we're offering.

00:04:47.860 And every day, I open up my browser, and I have over a dozen emails or Instagram messages from people who are like, hey, did you see this latest article?

00:04:56.440 Did you see this latest article?

00:04:57.900 And I can't help but be a little excited about it because what we're doing here is the antithesis of that mockery of masculinity.

00:05:05.080 And so, I'm excited about it because it's opening this window unlike it has been even in the past four years.

00:05:13.200 So, you know, I'm getting to a point here, but we hit the market at a very good time, which happened to be very fortunate because I didn't plan that.

00:05:21.540 But if I didn't take action, that window could have potentially just passed us by, and I wouldn't even have been able to recognize that it was there.

00:05:29.820 It was that action that allowed me to see, oh, there's something here.

00:05:34.540 So, it's not just luck because we've heard that term that, how does it go?

00:05:38.440 Luck is when opportunity and preparation meet, right?

00:05:42.060 And so, there was this huge, huge opportunity in the marketplace for reclaiming and restoring masculinity, which is what we're doing here.

00:05:49.080 And there was my preparation.

00:05:51.840 I had another podcast before.

00:05:53.380 I was running another business.

00:05:54.740 And so, there was things that were going on a decade before Order of Man that was actually leading up to an opportunity that presented itself and then us being able to capitalize on and walk through that door of opportunity.

00:06:06.020 Yeah.

00:06:06.200 And it seems like that market has just gotten bigger of late.

00:06:09.200 Like, when you started Order of Man, it was almost perfect because it gave you a little bit of ramp time.

00:06:16.120 It did.

00:06:16.380 It gave me some leg room.

00:06:17.240 Yep.

00:06:17.520 Yeah.

00:06:17.700 We had some leg room, some ramp time to get substantially larger.

00:06:21.640 And then now that the floodgates have opened, we're in a position to, like, do good.

00:06:28.380 Yeah.

00:06:28.880 I mean, even just in my own little mind here, I'm thinking, like, oh, keep mocking masculinity.

00:06:35.960 Keep undermining masculinity.

00:06:37.140 Keep coming up with these ridiculous assertions and these pseudoscience type studies that you're doing.

00:06:43.540 Keep it coming.

00:06:44.060 Keep it coming.

00:06:44.580 Because the more you do that, the more you create a desire.

00:06:48.980 Well, not even a desire.

00:06:50.580 Just this need for the message that we're sharing of masculinity and why we all need to step up as men in the walls of our home and our businesses and communities.

00:07:01.040 And so, as this vocal minority gets louder, it's actually really, really exciting to me because it actually lifts up us – I can't even say that – up as well.

00:07:13.300 I'm trying to say that.

00:07:13.860 I don't know why I can't say that.

00:07:15.140 I'm saying that.

00:07:16.100 It is causing the conversation to happen.

00:07:18.340 And I think people are seeing those messages and they're calling bullshit on it.

00:07:26.100 Yeah, for sure.

00:07:26.740 And it makes them frustrated.

00:07:28.800 And then –

00:07:29.220 And then they see the answer, right?

00:07:30.820 Here we are.

00:07:31.560 Yeah.

00:07:31.680 And that's actually a really good – that's kind of a good segue into – so, in February – so, what is it right now?

00:07:37.480 This will be – this is the 15th today.

00:07:38.860 This will be released on the 16th.

00:07:40.280 If you're listening to this today, it's released.

00:07:42.740 In two weeks, we are launching our Tribe Builder course, which is basically – there's 20 of us in the Tribe Builder, myself included.

00:07:51.240 I'm very active in the Tribe Builder.

00:07:52.600 But it's a four-week course designed to help you take an idea and a thought to – or maybe you already have one – to now, how do we build a tribe and a movement and a growth, an organization, a fraternity, whatever it may look like, around this idea, very similar to what we've done here with Order of Man.

00:08:11.320 And so, everything that we're talking about right now is covered in depth and in detail in the Tribe Builder course.

00:08:19.200 And I know it's a little different.

00:08:20.420 And I've had people say, they're like, well, this isn't about masculinity.

00:08:23.200 I know it's not.

00:08:24.180 I know it's not about masculinity.

00:08:25.720 But at the same time, it kind of is because we are called, I believe – now, whether we step into the calling or not is different, but we are called to lead.

00:08:34.400 We are called to have a voice.

00:08:35.780 We are called to act.

00:08:36.920 And I have – very rarely have I come across an individual man who didn't have an idea, right, or didn't have a vision for the future, didn't have a message or an experience that he feels that can better society.

00:08:50.420 Now, some are better at communicating and articulating that vision and idea than others, but we all have ideas.

00:08:56.680 And the better that we can get at sharing those ideas, the more that we impact our families, our businesses, our communities, our bank account, our emotional and mental well-being.

00:09:08.200 So, even though, yes, it's not directly tied to masculinity, helping men create tribes and movements around issues that are relevant to them quite literally change the world.

00:09:18.420 So, that's what the Tribe Builder is all about.

00:09:21.120 If you're interested, check it out.

00:09:22.240 I think we have like maybe two or three spots left.

00:09:25.700 I'd have to look, but I think we only have two or three spots left.

00:09:28.040 And if you go to orderofman.com slash Tribe Builder, you can watch a very quick video from me.

00:09:34.040 Look and see what benefits are in there.

00:09:35.480 Just know that I'm very involved in the process.

00:09:37.500 It isn't something you sign up for and then, I'm done.

00:09:40.060 I'm gone.

00:09:40.560 No, I'm very involved in the process.

00:09:43.360 When does that start again?

00:09:44.780 February 1st, 2019.

00:09:46.040 February 1st.

00:09:46.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:47.820 And don't message me and say, hey, when are you doing another one?

00:09:50.580 I don't know.

00:09:51.280 Again, it's very sporadic.

00:09:53.280 It's like, I kind of feel like doing it right now, so I'm going to do it right now.

00:09:55.920 And maybe I do another one later in the year.

00:09:57.800 Maybe I don't feel like it.

00:09:58.860 Or maybe something else comes up.

00:10:00.640 So, if you're even remotely interested, invest in yourself.

00:10:04.660 Let's take four weeks.

00:10:06.120 I'll teach you everything I know.

00:10:07.340 I'll pull back the curtain.

00:10:08.700 I'll critique.

00:10:09.880 I'll help.

00:10:11.100 There's 80 other guys from previous courses that have gone through it.

00:10:14.380 And we're all in this stuff together.

00:10:15.820 We're going to help you build whatever it is you're trying to build.

00:10:18.140 So, orderofman.com slash tribebuilder.

00:10:21.240 Copy.

00:10:22.080 All right.

00:10:22.520 Well, enough of that.

00:10:23.340 Let's get into the conversation.

00:10:24.880 Should we tell them what the AMA is?

00:10:27.360 Yeah, because we're not.

00:10:28.660 Yeah, we do this every week.

00:10:30.160 I don't know why we do this.

00:10:31.160 We ought to lead with that.

00:10:32.680 So, the AMA, Ask Me Anything.

00:10:35.440 You're going to hear from Kip Sorensen and myself.

00:10:37.800 We are answering questions from Patreon.

00:10:42.040 And if you're interested in that, it's Patreon.

00:10:44.120 P-A-T-R-E-O-N dot com slash orderofman.

00:10:47.500 There's some benefits and perks.

00:10:49.020 In fact, one of the little giveaways we're doing right now,

00:10:52.440 I'm just trying to pull this up because I've got this on my desk.

00:10:56.400 Bear with me here.

00:10:57.240 Bear with me here is, I'm trying not to bump my mic because that gets obnoxious.

00:11:01.220 But anyways, Dichotomy of Leadership.

00:11:03.120 So, this is Jocko Willink and Leif Babin's newest book.

00:11:07.620 Great book on leadership.

00:11:09.300 We're giving this away on Patreon.

00:11:12.280 With a beard hair bookmark included.

00:11:15.180 That's right.

00:11:15.580 Laminated beard hair bookmark.

00:11:17.620 I should do that.

00:11:18.700 I should do that for April Fool's.

00:11:20.400 I'm sorry.

00:11:20.980 I have to interrupt, man.

00:11:21.760 I just thought of a great idea.

00:11:24.280 I don't know.

00:11:24.740 I'm not convinced it's going to be a great idea.

00:11:27.240 Okay, order of man t-shirt.

00:11:28.980 Order of man t-shirt with a silhouette of Bubba's face on the front with a curb rim hat

00:11:36.120 and then a tagline underneath that says, because not every man is perfect.

00:11:43.760 I like that.

00:11:44.980 I think Bubba would appreciate it.

00:11:46.460 I thought you were going to go to his banana hammock comment.

00:11:48.740 No, no.

00:11:49.200 I was staying away from that entirely.

00:11:52.820 All right.

00:11:53.620 There it is.

00:11:54.600 Guys, if you're interested in that, let us know.

00:11:58.420 And if we have enough guys who are interested, then we'll put it out into the world and Bubba

00:12:02.620 will be pissed, which actually is the reason it makes it so great.

00:12:07.040 All right.

00:12:07.640 So Patreon.

00:12:08.840 What else?

00:12:09.720 Iron Council.

00:12:10.540 That's our exclusive brotherhood.

00:12:11.720 500 plus members all working together, working through our battle plans.

00:12:16.120 It's incredible.

00:12:16.880 I mean, it's really, really incredible what we've been able to do in the Iron Council.

00:12:20.600 Kip, you're a team leader.

00:12:21.580 And my right-hand man is the, we got to come up with some fancy term, but like team leader,

00:12:27.960 leader, leader, team leader, leader, assistant to the leader, team leader.

00:12:33.720 I don't know, whatever.

00:12:34.480 We got to come up with something, but.

00:12:37.080 That's like an office reference.

00:12:38.740 It is.

00:12:38.900 Or it's like the assistant to the regional manager.

00:12:42.840 Versus the assistant manager.

00:12:44.120 So we've got the.

00:12:59.200 Get into it.

00:12:59.960 I think, did I lose you?

00:13:01.060 No, we're good.

00:13:01.600 Okay.

00:13:01.960 Yeah.

00:13:02.480 You just froze for a second.

00:13:03.880 Froze.

00:13:04.160 All right.

00:13:04.460 So let's, let's get into this.

00:13:06.540 Let's, let's have the conversation.

00:13:08.320 Let's start to hash these questions out.

00:13:10.480 All right, cool.

00:13:11.240 First question.

00:13:11.980 So we have a handful of questions from the Patreon members.

00:13:15.940 Chris Dunez.

00:13:17.480 First of all, I want to thank you guys for what you do.

00:13:20.420 Order Man has definitely helped me be bolder and more decisive and to own every action in

00:13:27.360 the few months that I've been following.

00:13:29.220 I've been having money troubles and I already have a plan and timeline that we'll be working

00:13:33.720 towards, but some months are still hard to get by.

00:13:36.880 My question is, when it is, when is it okay to ask for help?

00:13:40.960 I was raised to be very proud and it's hard for me to admit when I, when I can't make

00:13:48.380 ends meet and when I need help from my amazing family.

00:13:52.760 That's a good question.

00:13:53.880 So, in fact, I really appreciate that question because I think too many people are so quick

00:13:58.340 to, to ask for a handout, right?

00:14:00.740 I would say that in order of priority, you ought to look at more of a hand up than necessarily

00:14:06.700 a handout.

00:14:07.660 So, what I would suggest is, let's say you're going to ask your family for some money to

00:14:12.300 cover the mortgage.

00:14:13.180 I don't know if that's it, but we'll just use that as an example.

00:14:15.620 Rather than asking for money, why not, why not go to your family and say, hey, you know

00:14:20.000 what?

00:14:20.260 But, I've got a plan.

00:14:22.280 I'm kind of struggling to make ends meet, right?

00:14:23.760 Be truthful about it.

00:14:24.620 I'm struggling to make ends meet right now.

00:14:26.400 I've got a plan.

00:14:27.200 Here's my plan.

00:14:28.600 In the meantime, you know, can I, can I do some yard work around your house this weekend?

00:14:33.900 You know, I, I know you've got, you got to do some gravel and you want to put some sod

00:14:37.640 down or you want to do this or that.

00:14:39.740 Can I, can I come out?

00:14:40.820 Can you hire me to come do that for you?

00:14:42.560 I think that speaks significantly higher of you than just saying, hey, can you help me

00:14:48.360 cover the mortgage this month?

00:14:49.960 And not to say there isn't a point where maybe you'd ask that, but if you can look for a hand

00:14:54.040 up rather than a hand out, I think that's the progression of the way that you should

00:14:58.480 use it, right?

00:14:59.420 So, maybe there's some odds and ends.

00:15:01.460 Maybe there's some things that you can sell around the house.

00:15:03.700 Maybe there's some people who are looking for some labor and you can do that.

00:15:06.920 Like, there's all kinds of little opportunities to be helped up rather than just giving you

00:15:12.340 charity.

00:15:13.220 And there's nothing wrong with charity.

00:15:14.560 I try to be charitable and I encourage other men to be charitable, but I'm cautious to accept

00:15:18.860 charity, especially if I know I'm fully capable of earning that.

00:15:23.100 So, I would say try to find, I don't want to say balance, but find the connection between

00:15:28.920 somebody offering some help and then you being able to add some sort of value to that individual

00:15:34.440 in return.

00:15:36.980 Ryan, do you think that when we take handouts, it, that we could be a victim of that?

00:15:42.340 A little bit, like, get in a place of, you know, oh man, that was easy and oh, I'll just

00:15:48.600 ask for help again.

00:15:49.480 Like, there's a little bit of a slippery slope there sometimes when we ask for handouts.

00:15:53.480 I think a lot of people feel ashamed and guilty of asking for handouts and frankly,

00:15:57.720 you should.

00:15:58.640 Yeah.

00:15:59.140 You should.

00:16:00.260 And I'm not saying that you shouldn't accept a handout if that's what's needed, but if

00:16:04.180 you feel bad about accepting a handout, that to me is the correct emotion.

00:16:09.040 Yeah.

00:16:09.500 Because if you don't feel bad about that, what kind of loser are you?

00:16:13.240 Yeah.

00:16:13.760 Like, I don't know how else to sugarcoat that.

00:16:15.820 When I, look, I've had help.

00:16:17.520 All right.

00:16:17.740 My mom's helped me out in the past.

00:16:19.460 Fortunately, we're in the position financially where that's just not necessary right now.

00:16:22.780 Could that be in the future?

00:16:23.820 Sure.

00:16:24.460 Never know.

00:16:24.920 Absolutely.

00:16:25.380 It could.

00:16:25.940 But I've built a lot of relationships up and I have a lot of relationship capital that

00:16:30.400 there are a lot of people who would be willing to help out if need be.

00:16:33.780 But if I don't feel bad about that, I'm kind of a scumbag, quite honestly.

00:16:38.440 Like, I'm a mooch.

00:16:39.900 And I know that might sound really harsh because there are people who are incapable of paving

00:16:45.460 their own way and providing their own resources.

00:16:48.460 That's not what I'm talking about here.

00:16:50.460 What I'm talking about is a man who's potentially down on his luck a little bit.

00:16:54.880 He's beat up or the economy or whatever else it is.

00:16:57.180 But he knows that he's fully capable mentally, physically, emotionally of providing and carving

00:17:02.780 his own path and yet he isn't doing it for whatever reason.

00:17:06.220 Ends aren't coming together.

00:17:07.580 You should feel bad.

00:17:09.260 That feeling of guilt or inadequacy is actually a positive thing because hopefully what it

00:17:18.460 does is drives you not to be in that position anymore.

00:17:21.980 Like, we live in this society that's so sensitive.

00:17:24.100 It's like, oh, I don't want anybody to feel bad.

00:17:25.820 No, I want you to feel bad.

00:17:27.940 I think about my son's sports teams, for example, is when they lose, I want them to feel bad

00:17:32.100 about losing.

00:17:34.100 I don't want them to be excited.

00:17:35.860 Hey, guys, we did our best.

00:17:38.180 No, guys, look, last week we got throttled, man.

00:17:42.020 I think the score was like 45 to 12 or 15 or something.

00:17:47.160 This team absolutely destroyed us.

00:17:49.620 And I encouraged him to in the game.

00:17:51.180 I said, guys, we're down.

00:17:52.260 We're not going to win this game.

00:17:53.880 We're not going to win this game.

00:17:55.820 But right now, you have an opportunity to show me what kind of heart you have.

00:18:00.980 Do you give up because we're not going to win?

00:18:02.800 Or do you continue to drive and drive and earn some of that respect back that maybe we lost

00:18:06.620 in the first three quarters?

00:18:08.200 And I know that you're feeling down and you're feeling bad about it.

00:18:11.120 And that's the right emotion, boys.

00:18:12.420 You should feel bad about it because we are here to win.

00:18:16.480 We're here to learn the game.

00:18:17.880 We're here to excel.

00:18:18.700 We're here to improve ourselves.

00:18:19.760 And we're here to dominate.

00:18:20.940 And when we're not doing that, you should feel bad.

00:18:22.940 And what that does is that drives us then to come back next week and figure out where

00:18:26.940 we messed up and how we can improve.

00:18:29.600 And I think there's way too many people out there who are like, oh, it's okay, guys.

00:18:33.700 You had fun and you tried your hardest.

00:18:37.400 And that's really what counts.

00:18:40.000 No, it isn't.

00:18:40.940 When you become an adult, there's no metric in life that says, hey, Kip, how much fun are

00:18:48.260 you having?

00:18:49.160 You can go ahead and pay me in fun tickets this month on your mortgage bill.

00:18:54.440 No.

00:18:55.560 In real life, what we look at is we look at performance.

00:18:59.600 And so when you feel bad because you're underperforming, good.

00:19:02.960 You should feel bad.

00:19:04.220 What are you going to do about it?

00:19:05.440 And it's my job as a man and their coach to help bridge the gap between feeling bad about

00:19:10.460 a loss and how we use it as fuel to improve moving forward.

00:19:14.540 I'm getting on a soapbox here.

00:19:16.120 But the point is, feel bad about needing a handout.

00:19:20.100 Accept that you need it.

00:19:21.180 Feel bad about it.

00:19:22.420 You already came up with a plan.

00:19:24.020 Try to offer some sort of value in exchange for the value you're receiving.

00:19:28.020 And I think that's the better approach.

00:19:30.180 Yeah.

00:19:31.000 It's the Goggins month, man.

00:19:33.120 It is, man.

00:19:34.020 Goggins is next week.

00:19:34.980 Let's see.

00:19:35.780 Actually, as of this recording, I'm going to be interviewing him tomorrow.

00:19:39.720 So that'll be out next week.

00:19:41.340 I'm excited about that.

00:19:43.680 I've heard his name reference as David Effing Goggins, right?

00:19:48.140 Okay.

00:19:48.740 I don't know where I heard that, but like someone, whenever they talk about him, they

00:19:52.680 always say David Effing Goggins.

00:19:54.880 And Effing, that's my Utah version of the other one.

00:19:57.900 Yes.

00:19:58.800 Freaking.

00:19:59.540 Freaking, yes.

00:20:00.600 And I get it now.

00:20:03.140 Like, in fact, now what I think of him, I think David Effing Goggins.

00:20:08.500 He's insane, man.

00:20:09.380 Dude, the guy is awesome.

00:20:12.380 I'm a little intimidated, to be honest.

00:20:14.280 I mean, it'll be fine, you know, but I'm intimidated to be able to sit down with a guy

00:20:17.320 like that.

00:20:18.040 Did you hear my interview with TJ Dillashaw yet?

00:20:21.620 No.

00:20:22.440 It didn't come out yesterday, right?

00:20:24.380 As of the release of this podcast.

00:20:26.320 So it came out today as of recording.

00:20:28.160 I haven't listened to it yet.

00:20:29.420 Yeah.

00:20:29.680 It's awesome, man.

00:20:30.440 Oh, man.

00:20:31.000 It's awesome.

00:20:31.920 Lucky bastard.

00:20:33.220 No luck, man.

00:20:34.140 Dude.

00:20:34.500 No luck.

00:20:34.920 That's true.

00:20:35.660 Preparation and opportunity.

00:20:37.000 People say, how'd you get this?

00:20:38.100 I asked him.

00:20:38.940 You're so lucky.

00:20:40.040 I just sent him a message on Instagram and I said, hey, man, I know you're doing this

00:20:43.360 course.

00:20:43.800 I know what you're, I know you've got a fight coming up.

00:20:45.400 Like, I want to promote you.

00:20:46.200 I want to help you.

00:20:46.780 Here's what I'm doing.

00:20:47.760 Here's, here's how this is going to benefit you.

00:20:50.400 Here's the reach, blah, blah, blah.

00:20:51.620 Right.

00:20:51.920 And he's like, he's like, yeah, man.

00:20:53.940 He actually messaged me directly.

00:20:55.680 He's like, yeah, man, I really appreciate that.

00:20:57.260 I'd love to talk with you about it after the fight.

00:20:58.840 And I said, look, I get it.

00:20:59.760 Cause it was like two weeks before the fight.

00:21:01.500 Yeah.

00:21:01.840 And I said, yeah.

00:21:02.720 This weekend.

00:21:03.380 This weekend.

00:21:03.980 Yeah.

00:21:04.300 Saturday.

00:21:05.420 And, uh, and I said, no, I get it, man.

00:21:07.100 That's fine.

00:21:07.500 Hopefully we can make something work.

00:21:08.620 And then I was on my hunt in Arizona and he sent me a message on Instagram.

00:21:12.500 He's like, Hey dude, if you want to do it, like I can make it work.

00:21:15.620 I got, I've got this window tomorrow morning.

00:21:18.400 And I was on a hunt in Arizona in the middle of nowhere, a little small town.

00:21:23.220 And, uh, and I said, all right, let's do it.

00:21:26.000 And then I got off the, off Instagram and message when he confirmed.

00:21:28.620 And I was like, crap, how are we going to make this work?

00:21:31.260 Like, so, so I drove to a little, the middle of the day, I drove to a little diner where

00:21:36.620 we were, got some internet.

00:21:37.760 I think the, I think the waitress there was frustrated with me, but we got it done and

00:21:44.740 it is what it is.

00:21:45.540 And it was a cool conversation with an incredible, an incredible man.

00:21:49.740 I mean, somebody who's at the top of his game is just doing incredible things.

00:21:53.740 So it was powerful, man.

00:21:55.560 Kill a Shah, man.

00:21:56.660 Kill a Shah.

00:21:57.240 His, his style with, once he started being coached with, uh, Dwayne Ludwig, his style

00:22:05.820 of standup is amazing.

00:22:09.840 He actually talked about his angles are just, oh man.

00:22:14.360 He actually talked about that because he was working with what team alpha, alpha male,

00:22:18.640 alpha male, yeah, California.

00:22:20.480 And so I talked to him about loyalty because that's the grief he got when he left alpha male

00:22:25.060 and he had, he had that falling out with Garbrandt and everything.

00:22:27.320 And so I talked to him about it.

00:22:28.240 He's like, yeah, dude, people always want to talk about loyalty.

00:22:30.360 He's like, but I was loyal.

00:22:32.120 He's like, I went with my coach, man.

00:22:33.720 I've built a relationship up with that guy.

00:22:36.060 Um, he's my family.

00:22:37.440 Like he's not my coach.

00:22:38.480 He's family.

00:22:39.560 And we traveled, he says we traveled the world together.

00:22:42.160 And, um, he's taught me so much about my game.

00:22:44.600 And he was talking about how, how, when he was with alpha male, he's like, dude, we were

00:22:49.120 just like, we were just wild.

00:22:50.620 He's like, we were fighters, but we weren't winning any belts.

00:22:52.940 And it wasn't until he came on board that we actually started winning and we were, we're

00:22:59.200 training in a sustainable way.

00:23:00.780 And we started winning belts and champions and championships.

00:23:03.440 And it was pretty cool how he talked about loyalty and how he talked about his coach and

00:23:07.400 the, the admiration and level of respect he had for him too.

00:23:09.940 Yeah.

00:23:10.380 So Ludwig left alpha male and went with him.

00:23:14.540 That's right.

00:23:15.140 Yep.

00:23:15.360 That's right.

00:23:16.280 Yeah.

00:23:16.840 Yeah.

00:23:17.160 So pretty cool, man.

00:23:18.800 I knew you'd appreciate that one.

00:23:20.200 So yeah, man, I'm excited for that fight this weekend.

00:23:23.000 So, yeah, cool.

00:23:24.540 All right.

00:23:25.240 Question one down.

00:23:27.240 What are we into this thing?

00:23:28.520 25, 30 minutes now.

00:23:29.980 What else?

00:23:30.680 All right.

00:23:31.220 Chris Dalton.

00:23:32.820 What's your process for creating, editing, and releasing podcasts?

00:23:36.340 I'll be starting one soon on horse human interactions and the impact.

00:23:41.620 Yeah.

00:23:42.280 And the impact that relationship has on healing and trauma.

00:23:46.600 Interested in knowing the mechanics of podcasting that you have found useful.

00:23:51.160 Look, I'm not going to get into this question.

00:23:53.400 Not that I want to discount your question because it is a solid question.

00:23:55.820 Here's what I would do.

00:23:56.780 Anybody who's wanting to start a podcast, just Google this.

00:23:59.940 Pat Flynn's guide to podcasting.

00:24:03.040 All right.

00:24:03.460 I don't need to answer this question because that is the exact guide that I used.

00:24:07.040 It's free.

00:24:08.000 He's got a free version.

00:24:08.940 He's not pulling any punches in the free version either, but it's all right there.

00:24:12.160 Step one, step two, step three, step four.

00:24:13.540 It's all right there.

00:24:15.420 So Pat Flynn's guide to podcasting.

00:24:16.960 I think he made it into a course now, like a paid course.

00:24:19.740 I haven't looked into that.

00:24:20.920 So I would just say use the free version because that's what I've used to build this incredible

00:24:24.860 podcast.

00:24:25.800 We're closing in on 10 million downloads, Kip.

00:24:29.540 Think about 10 million listens.

00:24:32.640 That's incredible to me.

00:24:34.600 So Pat Flynn's guide to podcasting.

00:24:36.560 And then I would also suggest that if you're wondering what equipment Kip and I use, I've got

00:24:41.480 a stationary like home recording setup and then I've got a backpack behind me here with

00:24:47.760 my travel pack because sometimes I'll travel and like I'm going down to Vegas to meet with

00:24:52.080 Goggins, for example, if you go to order of man.com slash podcast gear, it's just a PDF and

00:24:58.360 I'll show you with links so you can go right to where you need to with my stationary gear and

00:25:02.500 then my traveling gear.

00:25:03.660 So Pat Flynn's guide to podcasting and then order of man.com slash podcast gear, I think

00:25:09.520 is what it is.

00:25:10.160 What else?

00:25:12.120 That was easy.

00:25:12.940 Charlie, best practices for transitioning from one battle plan to another, like from

00:25:18.080 2018 quarter four to 2019 quarter one.

00:25:21.620 So for those of you who don't know what we're talking about, we do quarterly battle planning,

00:25:25.800 12 week battle plans.

00:25:27.480 In fact, I've got the battle planner that we use that we've made available.

00:25:32.000 This is what I've used and I know a lot of guys are using this and we offer these, but

00:25:36.680 I'm actually in the process today.

00:25:38.020 I'll finish a revamp revamping this.

00:25:40.640 So it'll be the same size, um, leather bound journal, but inside will be a 12 week battle

00:25:45.580 planners to be, to be able to track your 12 weeks.

00:25:48.180 But what I would say is you got to do your after action review to transition.

00:25:52.140 It's about the after action review, right?

00:25:53.960 You've got to look at it and say, okay, what did I accomplish?

00:25:56.100 Did I accomplish what I set out to accomplish?

00:25:58.520 If the answer is yes.

00:25:59.700 Okay, good.

00:26:00.280 Now you can talk about, well, where do I double down right now?

00:26:03.140 Now I've achieved X, Y, Z.

00:26:05.500 Let's just take weight loss for example.

00:26:07.160 Cause that's one of my goals is I want to lose, not even weight necessarily, but body

00:26:11.140 fat percentage.

00:26:11.760 So over the past three weeks, I've lost just under 3% body fat.

00:26:16.500 So I feel like I'm on the right track.

00:26:18.740 Um, so as I get to where I want to get, uh, come, come the end of this first quarter, then

00:26:24.880 I'm going to evaluate that and say, okay, I hit my target and I know I'll hit my target.

00:26:28.260 So I hit this target.

00:26:29.560 Now what is about body fat percentage?

00:26:31.580 No, probably not at that point.

00:26:32.740 Now it's about getting that marathon under my belt because I've lost 15 pounds of body

00:26:37.080 fat or whatever it may be.

00:26:38.220 And so the marathon is going to be that much easier.

00:26:40.440 Like it's getting me closer to something else.

00:26:42.620 And this is why vision is so important.

00:26:44.400 So we do our after action review.

00:26:45.940 What did I accomplish?

00:26:47.160 What didn't I accomplish?

00:26:48.960 Uh, what skillsets or techniques or strategies did I do well with?

00:26:53.620 What did I not do so well with?

00:26:55.320 And then you answer that fifth question, which is what am I going to do moving forward?

00:27:00.020 That is the transitionary question.

00:27:01.680 I accomplished this.

00:27:03.240 I didn't accomplish this.

00:27:04.720 What am I going to do moving forward?

00:27:07.020 Do I need to continue down the path?

00:27:09.200 Uh, for me, it was deadlifting for a long time.

00:27:11.200 Like I couldn't hit 400 pounds.

00:27:12.740 Now I have, I have now, but I was like stuck there.

00:27:16.960 So I had to evaluate, okay, am I doing the right type of training?

00:27:20.120 Am I, am I doing strength training?

00:27:21.640 Am I doing this?

00:27:22.300 Am I doing that?

00:27:23.140 Where am I falling short?

00:27:24.220 And then I just tweaked my battle plan moving forward so that I could actually hit that

00:27:28.500 benchmark.

00:27:29.640 So it's, it's the after action review.

00:27:31.180 That that's how you transition doing the after action review and very few people actually

00:27:34.760 do it.

00:27:35.080 That's why you and I talk about it so much.

00:27:37.060 Nobody does it.

00:27:38.560 Totally.

00:27:39.040 Well, and I think there might be a time in a season sometimes as well.

00:27:42.860 Like when you started Q4, maybe the top priority was X, Y, Z and come January, things have

00:27:49.780 changed, right?

00:27:50.480 Our lives evolve.

00:27:51.560 There's things outside of our control.

00:27:52.860 And so you may need to pivot and go, Hey, I was focused on deadlifts, but now this is,

00:27:59.140 uh, something came up and this is a more pressing issue, right?

00:28:01.680 Well, yeah, I mean, we were going to do, so we've got our legacy event.

00:28:06.760 It's a father son event coming up April 11th and the four through the 14th.

00:28:10.760 Uh, and I was going to do an uprising event, one for just men, but I actually, at the end

00:28:15.600 of last quarter, nixed that completely, that, that men's only event, uh, because we are in

00:28:21.380 the process of potentially buying a new property.

00:28:23.500 And so I knew with everything else that I had going on and getting the property, which

00:28:28.180 is where I plan on running events that I couldn't do both.

00:28:30.500 And so I nixed it because now the priority is the property.

00:28:33.500 Once we get that squared away and taken care of, then we can come back to looking at that.

00:28:37.500 So you've got to be able to evolve and adapt along the way.

00:28:39.640 If your plan is so rigid that it doesn't allow for flexibility, you are going to miss

00:28:43.260 opportunities.

00:28:44.520 Well, not to mention your sanity as well.

00:28:46.560 I mean, you're going to go crazy because you're beating your damn head against the wall

00:28:49.120 against something that frankly may not even be a priority or relevant to you anymore.

00:28:52.740 And so some guys will say, well, I can't change my battle plan.

00:28:55.380 Well, then you're, you're an idiot, right?

00:28:57.120 The enemy will, will destroy you because you aren't flexible in taking new input and

00:29:03.600 stimulus into consideration to make adjustments along the way.

00:29:08.100 Totally.

00:29:08.580 Totally.

00:29:09.340 Well, and that's why we have those checkpoints, right?

00:29:11.600 As part of the battle plan where you're, you're evaluating is what I'm doing effective.

00:29:16.340 Is it working?

00:29:17.140 If it's not, we pivot, we adjust.

00:29:18.960 Right.

00:29:19.240 So then that way you can get the results that you're right.

00:29:21.040 And you, and you don't even have to wait until the 12th week to adjust.

00:29:25.660 If you need to adjust three weeks into it, make the adjustment course correct and get

00:29:30.000 it figured out and get back on track or, or change courses, whatever, whatever it is for

00:29:33.700 you.

00:29:34.460 Yeah.

00:29:34.680 Copy.

00:29:35.260 So Charlie had two questions.

00:29:37.040 A second one for Kip.

00:29:38.500 You mentioned that you lived in Dubai in the past.

00:29:40.240 Any word of advice for an expat who recently moved there?

00:29:42.700 Um, no, I, I mean, I didn't live there for an extended period of time, so I don't know

00:29:49.500 if I'd have much advice.

00:29:50.880 I mostly just stayed in hotels during the whole time.

00:29:53.860 Um, religion's a little weird there.

00:29:56.720 Uh, you got to keep that on the down low, uh, believe it or not.

00:29:59.960 So, um, that's a little odd.

00:30:02.340 I don't know if you're there with family.

00:30:04.300 Um, I considered moving there permanently, uh, for a period of time and really the things

00:30:10.400 that kind of drove me not to is one, I don't, I want to feel comfortable, uh, my wife being

00:30:16.900 by herself most of the time and if she needed to go to the store by herself and whatnot.

00:30:21.380 And I just hated the idea that, uh, you know, if I went to, wanted to go to church, I was

00:30:26.340 going to church in some apartment with no markings on the table because it was illegal to do so.

00:30:32.160 I mean, that seems, yeah, yeah.

00:30:34.580 So there's no, like an official chapels, right?

00:30:37.540 You'd have to meet in someone's house and you couldn't like publicly like advertise or

00:30:43.260 anything like that.

00:30:44.800 So interesting.

00:30:45.560 Yeah.

00:30:45.800 There's a, there's a huge, I don't know about you guys.

00:30:48.180 I mean, I'd be interested in someone's opinion on this, but I feel like there's this huge unspoken

00:30:53.280 undertone of suppression in Dubai.

00:30:56.580 It's very odd, very odd.

00:30:58.720 Um, and we can get into some other things I've learned, uh, later in years about Dubai,

00:31:05.060 but it's interesting.

00:31:06.480 Interesting.

00:31:07.100 Nonetheless.

00:31:08.040 Hmm.

00:31:08.560 Sorry, Charlie.

00:31:09.180 That's not much help.

00:31:09.900 All right.

00:31:10.320 So we're jumping right into iron council questions.

00:31:13.420 Uh, first off we got moose.

00:31:15.520 Uh, every time you bring up the idea of masculinity is under attack.

00:31:19.580 There's a lot of pushback on the Facebook slash Instagram pages pages that this is somehow

00:31:24.720 a victim mentality.

00:31:25.900 Can you talk about how to tackle this from a place of sovereignty?

00:31:31.540 Yeah.

00:31:31.700 Some, somebody mentioned this the other day because I had posted, I don't know, a video

00:31:35.280 of, of, I can't even remember a video, some dismissal of masculine, something, something

00:31:41.120 I get, like I said, I get a lot of them and somebody's like, Oh, well, I guess it's 2019.

00:31:44.540 So you can just be a victim.

00:31:45.740 I'm like, look, if you disagree with something that doesn't make you a victim, what the victim

00:31:52.820 mentality is helplessness, right?

00:31:55.440 Victims are helpless by their very definition.

00:31:58.220 They were unable to help themselves in a situation, whether that's a physical altercation

00:32:03.040 or, you know, we were talking about handouts earlier.

00:32:06.620 They are incapable of helping themselves.

00:32:09.200 So somebody that recognizes some sort of injustice or some sort of wrongdoing in the world is

00:32:16.760 only a victim as if they use it as an excuse to be helpless.

00:32:20.900 But if somebody recognizes something wrong, like I have here with order of man and recognizing

00:32:25.140 that we do need to reclaim and restore masculinity.

00:32:27.560 I recognize that there's a dismissal at a minimum and on the far side and attack on what it means

00:32:33.680 to be a man.

00:32:35.120 I haven't put myself in the victim category because I'm dealing in, I don't want to say

00:32:41.360 objective reality because it is subjective.

00:32:43.260 It's, it's, it is an opinion.

00:32:44.260 So I don't want to go so bold as to say it's objective.

00:32:46.380 It's not, it's my opinion.

00:32:47.940 This is what I see.

00:32:48.920 Okay.

00:32:50.000 But I, I remove myself from the victim category because I do something about it.

00:32:54.940 And in, and what I see in the world has empowered me to take a new course of action for myself.

00:33:02.520 And in the meantime, inspire other people to do the same.

00:33:05.840 It's the same.

00:33:06.920 And I look, I look at women.

00:33:08.180 I mean, you talk about your wife, for example, not, not feeling totally secure that she can

00:33:13.660 go to the grocery store by herself.

00:33:15.340 You know, there's a greater threat potentially there, right?

00:33:17.960 So how does she remove herself from the victim category?

00:33:21.660 I think we talked about this a week or two ago when we said you learn martial arts.

00:33:26.100 Yeah.

00:33:26.560 Now you take what potentially could be a very real threat and you, and you, and you lessen.

00:33:33.860 I'm not going to say you completely diminish, but you lessen that threat because you remove

00:33:38.420 yourself from the victim category and you put yourself in a new category, which says that

00:33:43.040 I am now a martial artist, or I am now capable of defending myself, or I can now be a little

00:33:49.640 bit more situationally aware.

00:33:51.280 So these situations don't actually come up or happen to me.

00:33:54.920 That's how we move from victim to something else entirely.

00:33:58.640 So there's a lot of things that get tossed around, like, especially in this like masculine,

00:34:03.500 quote unquote, masculine space.

00:34:04.800 Like, like you're a beta, you're a cuck.

00:34:08.940 Uh, what's the other soy boy?

00:34:10.580 Like, anytime I hear people say things like this, I'm like, this is somebody who's not

00:34:15.660 really intelligently thinking about the, the, the scenario, the circumstance, the actual

00:34:21.460 conversation.

00:34:23.000 You know, we're, we're not, we're not acting as victims.

00:34:27.140 We're, we're, we're doing something different here to empower us as men to be the type of

00:34:34.480 men that we're fully capable of being.

00:34:36.420 So yeah, if you're helpless, you're a victim.

00:34:38.180 I don't consider myself helpless.

00:34:40.400 I don't think a lot of people who listen to this consider themselves helpless, but anytime

00:34:43.800 somebody either a considers themselves helpless or acts in a way that's helpless, like, well,

00:34:48.620 there's nothing I can do.

00:34:50.560 It's out of my hands.

00:34:51.500 That is a victim mentality.

00:34:52.900 That is not what we're talking about here when it comes to a disagreement or some sort

00:34:56.660 of wrong we see in the world here.

00:34:59.000 Yeah.

00:34:59.320 I mean, the perception that I have whenever I hear victim mentality is, is they're really

00:35:03.340 not even truly victims.

00:35:04.760 They just, it's just a perception that they have that they're victims.

00:35:08.680 But in most cases, when I even use that term, when I think of like, I'll stop acting like

00:35:13.280 a victim, I'm not really saying like they are a victim.

00:35:16.180 What I'm saying is you're not a victim.

00:35:18.740 There's plenty of things that you could do to take control of the circumstance, but you're

00:35:22.220 not.

00:35:23.200 Right.

00:35:23.520 You're taking the easy route out.

00:35:25.160 I mean, it's, it's rare that there's actual victims.

00:35:28.960 You know what I mean?

00:35:29.760 Yeah.

00:35:30.180 Yeah.

00:35:30.480 So, yeah, no, it's true.

00:35:32.120 I, again, I think it just comes down to the helplessness factor.

00:35:35.200 Like you are physically helpless.

00:35:37.940 Yeah.

00:35:38.600 That's a victim for sure.

00:35:41.060 And most of us just aren't in that category, even though we, we, a lot of times we like

00:35:46.760 to place ourselves in that category because it's easier.

00:35:49.380 It's easier to be a victim.

00:35:51.000 Oh, the reason I didn't get ahead is because my boss was an asshole.

00:35:54.080 And the reason that I don't have any money in the bank account is because the economy

00:35:57.100 and the reason that my marriage is in shambles is because my wife is a bitch.

00:35:59.900 And the reason blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:36:02.040 Yeah.

00:36:02.240 All excuses to excuse away your own inadequacies.

00:36:06.980 And, and you know what?

00:36:07.780 Here's the hardest part.

00:36:08.720 Some of that actually might be true.

00:36:10.700 Like your might, your wife might need to work on some things.

00:36:14.380 Your boss may truly be an a-hole.

00:36:16.860 The economy may actually be in shambles.

00:36:19.620 It's not now, but it, but it might be.

00:36:21.980 So that's, that's the trap is that there's a lot of reality.

00:36:24.880 There's a lot of truth to that.

00:36:26.700 And because there's truth to it, we, we just rely so heavily on it.

00:36:30.280 But here's what I thought, especially as I was early in my financial planning career,

00:36:33.720 I got into the financial planning business when I was in 2008, 2009.

00:36:37.660 So like the worst time you possibly get into financial planning.

00:36:40.720 That's when I got into financial planning.

00:36:42.580 And I looked around and I saw a lot of guys who weren't performing.

00:36:46.660 And guess what they were saying?

00:36:48.140 Oh, it's because the economy.

00:36:49.580 Oh, the economy's bad.

00:36:50.940 Oh, this, oh, that, oh, the market's lost 30%.

00:36:53.360 And so I started to pick up some of that language.

00:36:55.880 Oh, the reason I'm struggling in my financial planning practice as a new advisor is because

00:37:00.320 the economy's bad and this is happening and that's happening and I can't do anything about it.

00:37:04.400 But I noticed, and I've talked about this before, that there was two guys in my office

00:37:09.720 who were perpetually performing week in and week out, month in and month out, year after year,

00:37:16.660 always at the top, even in a quote unquote bad economy.

00:37:20.280 And I thought to myself, if the economy is really that bad, then shouldn't everybody

00:37:24.940 be struggling?

00:37:26.740 Like if it is genuinely the economy that's keeping me from succeeding, then it would be,

00:37:31.940 then everybody would be struggling.

00:37:33.860 And yet here I found these two individuals who are thriving in what everybody else was

00:37:38.620 saying was a horrible economy.

00:37:40.980 So there's something else going on here.

00:37:43.780 What is it?

00:37:44.560 And long story short, I sat down with these guys and I eventually partnered up with them

00:37:48.820 and they taught me what they knew about how to run a financial planning practice and how

00:37:52.480 to manage money and how to ask for referrals.

00:37:54.660 And they didn't turn themselves into the victim.

00:37:57.060 In fact, they realized that these are opportunities to capitalize because everybody's bitching and

00:38:00.840 moaning and complaining and wandering around like with their heads up their asses because

00:38:04.820 they think that it's out of their hands.

00:38:06.720 And yet these two guys are running around scooping up clients left and right because everybody

00:38:10.780 else had thrown up their hands and given up.

00:38:13.300 These are, these are individuals who could have taken the victim mentality and yet they

00:38:16.800 didn't.

00:38:17.200 They said, Oh no, I'm not a victim.

00:38:18.660 Here's the circumstance.

00:38:19.820 Now what can I do about it?

00:38:22.000 Yeah, that's great.

00:38:25.060 Gatchko, Christopher Gatchko.

00:38:27.740 I'd love to hear about the book.

00:38:29.820 What was your after action review on it?

00:38:32.260 How many copies did you end up selling?

00:38:34.640 Anything you realized after the fact that you missed and would have liked to included ideas

00:38:39.000 for the next book or books?

00:38:41.320 Okay.

00:38:41.600 So yeah, um, I, you know, it's a good question.

00:38:44.700 I need to look and see how many books we've sold.

00:38:48.100 It's tens of thousands.

00:38:49.820 I don't know exactly where it is.

00:38:51.560 So I'll find that out.

00:38:53.040 Um, as far as the after action review, I felt like I did a really, really good job in getting

00:38:57.820 the book out there.

00:38:59.560 I felt like our marketing.

00:39:02.200 From a timeline perspective.

00:39:03.700 Timeline.

00:39:04.140 Yeah.

00:39:04.280 I mean, I wrote the book in 90 days.

00:39:06.940 Yeah.

00:39:07.640 Yeah.

00:39:07.940 I'd been thinking about writing it for years and I'm like, oh, I'm just going to keep putting

00:39:11.720 it on.

00:39:11.940 And I kept kicking the can down the road.

00:39:14.240 I got time.

00:39:14.900 I got time.

00:39:15.300 I got time.

00:39:15.600 I'm like, man, I woke up and I just, I realized I'm like, if I'm ever going to write a book,

00:39:19.380 like I need to just, I need to write and I need to do it in the next 90 days.

00:39:23.100 In fact, that was one of my 12 week battle plan objectives.

00:39:25.800 I remember that.

00:39:26.500 Yeah.

00:39:26.720 So many words per day.

00:39:28.580 A thousand words minimum.

00:39:29.800 Yep.

00:39:30.380 Every day.

00:39:30.960 And yeah, I missed some days, but I made up for them.

00:39:33.400 And so I hit that deadline and I felt like I did that really, really well.

00:39:37.120 Um, next book I write will be spread out.

00:39:39.600 It'll still be on a schedule, but it'll be spread out so I can give myself some breathing

00:39:42.760 room.

00:39:43.020 Cause that was a really, really stressful time for me.

00:39:45.300 I'm trying to balance that and the family and the business and everything else that we

00:39:48.040 were doing.

00:39:48.220 It's tough.

00:39:48.620 It's really tough.

00:39:49.880 So I felt like we did that good.

00:39:51.480 Um, marketing was okay.

00:39:54.120 The, the, the way that it looks in the formatting was awesome.

00:39:58.580 I, I had a great designer.

00:40:00.160 I had a great editing team.

00:40:01.640 Like we had a lot of good pieces in the puzzle.

00:40:06.280 Um, you know, there were some things with the publisher that, that I think there was

00:40:09.740 some miscommunication between them and I that, that, uh, how do I, I don't want to say bitter,

00:40:16.460 but just like a little bit of like frustration between both of us, I think, but I didn't know.

00:40:21.720 And I wish I would have known that stuff and had a better sense of expectations, but because

00:40:25.720 I didn't know that, uh, and, and part of that was because the timeline I was on, uh, that was

00:40:30.600 tough for them and tough for me.

00:40:31.780 So, so that was a challenge.

00:40:32.800 I think I would work on that relationship and the expectations of the publishing process

00:40:36.880 a little bit better.

00:40:38.880 Um, yeah, I've got, I've got some ideas for some new books.

00:40:42.460 I've thought about, um, not a kid's book, but talking more about raising boys.

00:40:47.840 That's become really, really relevant and important to me.

00:40:50.520 Um, I've also taught, I thought about breaking down the three components of masculinity, protect,

00:40:55.660 provide, preside a little bit more in depth and like really going into detail, uh, but

00:41:00.700 look, but being a lot more, uh, factual and looking at the research and the history behind

00:41:06.160 what it has traditionally and generally meant to be a man using studies and resources and

00:41:11.260 scientific based, uh, studies and findings to prove that this is generally what the majority

00:41:18.740 of societies have considered quote unquote manly and then why it's so important we step

00:41:23.860 into those roles and what the, what the result of not stepping into those roles is and how

00:41:29.560 we more adequately fulfill our responsibilities.

00:41:31.860 So I've got a lot of stuff.

00:41:33.140 I've got a lot of stuff on my mind about a book and I imagine towards the second half of

00:41:38.580 this year, we'll, we'll begin that process.

00:41:40.380 Anything in the current book that you feel you wish you would have included?

00:41:47.340 Uh, no, no, I feel like I did a really good job on the book.

00:41:52.940 Well, okay, let me back up.

00:41:54.100 I think the thing I would have included is I would have, I wrote it from a position of

00:41:59.880 more anecdotal evidence, like my own life.

00:42:02.940 Yeah.

00:42:14.840 Incorporating those research and those, those findings and the more historical accounts.

00:42:21.860 I think I could have merged more of that in to give it a stronger foundation than it

00:42:28.420 had rather than just personal anecdotal evidence.

00:42:32.380 Yeah.

00:42:32.940 That's probably what I would have added.

00:42:34.740 Although that's that, that's the time consuming part, right?

00:42:38.080 It is the time consuming part.

00:42:39.480 And frankly, it's the part that I'm not great at.

00:42:41.500 You know, I've always been somebody who's like, people ask me about my faith a lot.

00:42:45.340 They're like, well, how do you know, like you believe in God, how do you know, or how

00:42:48.500 do you know that the church you belong to is the right church?

00:42:51.040 And my answer has always been the same.

00:42:53.700 It's that I just feel like that's the right thing.

00:42:57.420 I wish I could explain it more in depth than that.

00:42:59.840 I wish I had some great in depth dissertation or analysis for you to ponder.

00:43:05.360 I don't.

00:43:05.900 I just, I've always, I've always trusted my gut and I know when my gut says do this, that

00:43:12.060 I should do that.

00:43:13.100 Yeah.

00:43:13.420 Um, and I know that when it says don't do this, then I shouldn't do that.

00:43:17.120 And every time I've gone against my gut instinct, I've, I've failed.

00:43:22.420 Yeah.

00:43:22.860 So I think there's, there's real power in, in just listening to what either your gut

00:43:30.900 or my belief is divine inspiration is telling you, right?

00:43:34.900 I'm guided.

00:43:35.600 I feel guided.

00:43:37.240 And so when I listened to that calling, it serves me very, very well.

00:43:40.720 So it's never really put me in a position where I have to, I feel like I have to like

00:43:46.700 validate my opinion.

00:43:48.020 It is.

00:43:48.700 And I realize it's an opinion.

00:43:50.100 I'm not saying it's factual.

00:43:51.200 I just realized that I believe, I believe so with so much conviction that it's hard

00:43:58.920 for me to understand why anybody else would think differently.

00:44:02.920 Last night I was, um, was the last, it was the night before last and we're, we're reading

00:44:09.120 scriptures and it said something about, man, I can't remember the question, but I had, uh,

00:44:15.060 had a question at the end of the book around, you know, how is, how is, how is

00:44:21.200 the teachings of, of Jesus unique, you know what I mean, compared to other things like

00:44:27.600 school or whatever?

00:44:29.280 And, um, totally got on a soapbox.

00:44:31.880 My family, man, sometimes they're like, oh, dad.

00:44:34.120 Oh no.

00:44:35.540 They could tell like, okay, he's preaching.

00:44:37.700 Um, but one of the things I said to my kids is guys, um, spirituality and religion, they

00:44:47.380 don't work that way.

00:44:48.860 There is no, there is no like, oh, let me, let me grab a book that was written hundreds

00:44:55.360 of years ago.

00:44:56.100 Read all the evidence.

00:44:57.200 Okay.

00:44:57.600 Oh, yep.

00:44:58.140 Mm-hmm done.

00:44:59.740 It doesn't work that way.

00:45:01.300 Yeah.

00:45:01.860 Like it requires what, what you were talking about earlier, action.

00:45:07.140 There's, that's the only way that you are actually learning anything spiritually now.

00:45:13.020 And we can apply this to other aspects of life, but that's how it works is you do, you

00:45:18.260 see the fruit of your labor and you go, yep, that's good for me.

00:45:22.300 Right.

00:45:22.620 But it requires action and faith.

00:45:24.380 There is no logical, like, oh, let me, let me think through this.

00:45:27.800 Oh, yep.

00:45:28.500 Yep.

00:45:28.900 This is the right church for me.

00:45:30.180 Right.

00:45:30.560 It's like, no, it doesn't work that way.

00:45:32.460 And it's hard because, well, yeah.

00:45:34.380 And I think a lot of people will say, well, that's an easy cop-out.

00:45:37.100 It's not a cop-out.

00:45:38.400 It's a lot of work.

00:45:39.340 What do you mean a cop-out?

00:45:40.680 It's just, well, not only that, it's just a different metric.

00:45:44.100 Yeah.

00:45:44.460 Right.

00:45:44.660 Like we all have tools in our tool belt and we all have ways of measuring whatever

00:45:48.980 from, you know, how much, uh, bandwidth we have on the internet to how long our beard

00:45:55.460 is to whatever.

00:45:57.160 Like we, we have all these different metrics.

00:46:00.640 Uh, how many words are in a book?

00:46:02.860 Like these are just metrics.

00:46:04.480 And to say that a feeling isn't a metric, isn't some sort of tool that you can tap into

00:46:13.380 and harness.

00:46:13.940 I think is missing part of it.

00:46:18.260 Like not everything has to be proven scientifically for it to exist.

00:46:22.820 There's things that exist that, well, well, what is it?

00:46:25.820 Dark matter, right?

00:46:26.600 Or, or dark energy.

00:46:27.620 Like we know it's out there scientifically.

00:46:30.400 We know there's a force acting upon molecules and the things that we interact with.

00:46:35.140 And yet we don't understand it.

00:46:37.240 We don't know what it, we know it's there.

00:46:38.640 We, we see scientifically the evidence of it and yet we can't explain it.

00:46:43.940 What's going on there?

00:46:45.420 There's a phenomenon that we just can't fully articulate, but it is present and it doesn't

00:46:50.740 discredit the fact that it's there.

00:46:52.420 It just means that it's hard to articulate.

00:46:54.560 Yeah.

00:46:55.560 Interesting.

00:46:56.400 Interesting.

00:46:57.300 Cool.

00:46:57.500 What else?

00:46:58.120 All right.

00:46:58.420 Billy Hattridge, how important is prayer to you and your family?

00:47:02.680 It is incorporated into a set routine or more spur of the moment?

00:47:06.820 Both.

00:47:07.600 Both.

00:47:08.160 I mean, we do.

00:47:09.260 So I go, I work out in the morning at six.

00:47:11.520 So I'm up about five 30, uh, getting stretched out, you know, hydrating, things like that.

00:47:15.960 And then I go into the gym, work out for an hour.

00:47:17.520 I come back at seven.

00:47:18.420 And the first thing we do is a family scripture study.

00:47:21.780 So we read the scriptures and people ask me like, Oh, what's your devotional?

00:47:25.920 It's, we don't, I don't know.

00:47:27.240 We don't do a devotion.

00:47:28.040 We just read the scriptures.

00:47:29.080 And then we talk about what it meant.

00:47:30.140 That's her devotional.

00:47:30.860 Uh, and then, so there's, there's six of us in the family.

00:47:34.940 So these are weekdays.

00:47:35.740 So there's six of us in the family, five of us who are capable of, of giving a prayer.

00:47:39.720 Right.

00:47:40.460 So Monday's me, Tuesday's my wife, uh, Wednesday's my oldest son, Thursday's my second son.

00:47:45.500 And then Friday is my, my little girl.

00:47:47.220 And so we just take turns and we do a morning prayer and we talk about what we're thankful

00:47:50.600 for.

00:47:50.940 And we talk about, um, you know, we, we, we ask for guidance and direction and we ask

00:47:55.620 for an open heart and an open mind to be able to serve and learn and do the things

00:47:58.640 that, that he would have us do, uh, and then throughout the day, you know, anytime, for

00:48:03.160 example, I'm, I'm driving down to Vegas, which is an hour and a half drive from, from here

00:48:06.720 to Vegas, not very far, but we'll, we'll say a family prayer that basically is that dad

00:48:11.680 will be protected as he's driving down there.

00:48:13.300 He'll get down there safely.

00:48:14.280 He'll have, uh, God's inspiration, um, and, and guidance and direction as he's doing his

00:48:19.980 work.

00:48:20.300 That's meaningful and significant and that the family will stay safe as dad's away.

00:48:25.060 Uh, and then if, you know, I'd get myself into a situation where maybe I feel

00:48:28.620 uncomfortable or I need some guidance or help, like spur of the moment, I'll pray and, and

00:48:33.300 ask for guidance and ask for direction and ask for some clarity and focus.

00:48:36.440 And, and even more so than that, I think this is really important about prayer that I think

00:48:40.880 a lot of people get wrong.

00:48:41.960 I think people just ask for stuff, right?

00:48:44.480 Like, oh, I just need this.

00:48:45.840 Like, I really need this.

00:48:48.300 Or, or can you give me an answer?

00:48:49.900 Like, what, what should I do?

00:48:51.000 What should I do?

00:48:52.540 Well, it doesn't work like that.

00:48:54.720 I think the way that it works is that God's given you all the tools and gifts and the

00:48:59.020 abilities and the talents and the ability to discern and come up with your own solutions.

00:49:03.220 So I very rarely just say, what should I do?

00:49:07.440 I, I go through the process.

00:49:09.900 You know, we're, we're considering a move to Maine.

00:49:11.800 And I know a lot of people say, well, should I move or shouldn't I move?

00:49:14.640 I believe we should.

00:49:15.520 And I'm doing everything I possibly can.

00:49:17.440 And then I, and then in earnest prayer, I ask, am I doing the right thing?

00:49:22.020 Like, here's what I've done.

00:49:23.920 Here's why I feel like this is the path that we are meant to go.

00:49:27.920 And here's why I think this is going to be a good thing for us.

00:49:31.180 Am I making the right decision?

00:49:33.160 Are there things that I haven't yet considered that I ought to consider in our planning?

00:49:37.540 And it's, it's those moments of clarity that, that unlock something that maybe I didn't

00:49:43.740 have before, right?

00:49:44.720 Some, some, some information or some perspective that I hadn't considered because I had done the

00:49:50.700 work first.

00:49:52.500 And a lot of people say, oh, just pray, pray, pray, pray.

00:49:54.360 Well, you got to do the work.

00:49:56.420 You can do your part.

00:49:58.320 Right.

00:49:58.720 A lot of, one of the things I talk about quite a bit is, is people say, well, if it's God's

00:50:03.440 will.

00:50:03.620 Well, you know, if, if, if, if they want to do it, they can make it happen.

00:50:20.560 They're sitting here waiting for me and here God is sitting waiting for us.

00:50:25.560 It's just, I just wish more people would, I'm not saying don't rely so heavily on, on,

00:50:31.080 on God, I'm just saying, understand that you, he's already given you the tools.

00:50:36.180 Use them, use them.

00:50:39.340 When we talk about this all the time, you know, where, where's learning located?

00:50:44.200 You know, sometimes it's, it's the learning is in the process of making the mistake and

00:50:49.480 making the bad decision and the stress of, is this the right thing?

00:50:53.600 I mean, those are all great opportunities to learn in advance.

00:50:56.640 I mean, it's folly for us to think that those are, we can, uh, evolve and become better

00:51:02.800 without those experiences.

00:51:04.260 That's true.

00:51:04.940 Like so many of us are praying for an easy life.

00:51:07.760 Yeah.

00:51:08.460 Which is, I don't want an easy life.

00:51:10.120 Well, yeah.

00:51:10.600 Which you might as well just pray and say, please don't let me progress and become a

00:51:13.920 better person.

00:51:14.560 That's really what you're saying.

00:51:15.840 Synonymous with, yeah, no, it's totally true.

00:51:18.680 You know, it is.

00:51:19.840 And in a lot of people, the word I don't like, I don't like this word happy.

00:51:23.680 And authentic.

00:51:24.780 Yes.

00:51:25.240 And genuine and all those things.

00:51:27.340 Well, let me say, by the way, with authentic, cause you mentioned this in the podcast the

00:51:30.620 other day.

00:51:31.460 It's not that I don't appreciate the meaning of the word.

00:51:35.260 Okay.

00:51:36.020 All right.

00:51:36.300 It's not that I don't appreciate the meaning of the word.

00:51:38.060 I just don't like the word itself because it's marketers have got ahold of it.

00:51:42.740 Yeah.

00:51:43.060 And because marketers have got ahold of it by their very definition.

00:51:46.200 And, and look, I'm a marketer.

00:51:47.760 I mean, let's be real.

00:51:48.680 Yeah.

00:51:48.920 By, by the very definition of a marketer, they're not authentic.

00:51:53.740 Yeah.

00:51:54.660 By their very definition.

00:51:57.280 Yeah.

00:51:57.720 So anytime a marketer gets a word of a hold of a word, like integrity and authentic and

00:52:04.920 genuine, you just gotta be real.

00:52:06.160 You gotta be the real.

00:52:07.280 It's like, you just, you're not being real to me right now.

00:52:10.220 Yeah.

00:52:10.400 Right.

00:52:10.640 You just like completely changed the meaning and the significance of that word.

00:52:14.220 So it's not that I don't believe in the meaning.

00:52:16.100 It's that I don't appreciate the word itself.

00:52:18.340 I used it first.

00:52:19.920 So yeah.

00:52:20.560 So you're safe.

00:52:21.260 What was I saying, man?

00:52:22.220 What was I talking about?

00:52:23.820 You're happy.

00:52:24.660 You don't like happy.

00:52:25.440 I don't like happy.

00:52:26.320 It's like, I want to be happy.

00:52:28.260 Why?

00:52:28.820 That's a stupid goal.

00:52:31.660 Like, why do you want to be happy?

00:52:33.960 I want to be satisfied.

00:52:36.080 I want to be fulfilled.

00:52:37.880 And what did both of those require?

00:52:41.140 Overcoming something.

00:52:42.660 Yeah.

00:52:43.260 Like doing something.

00:52:44.780 Happy is just like this state of perpetual bliss.

00:52:47.440 That's stupid.

00:52:49.240 Like that'll be, that'll be fun for like an hour.

00:52:53.140 You're like, okay, well, now I'm going to do something now.

00:52:56.520 Yeah.

00:52:56.820 So I want to be satisfied because I know I did something that I didn't previously think possible

00:53:01.580 or that I wasn't able to do last week.

00:53:04.200 And now I'm not happy.

00:53:05.300 I'm not happy about it.

00:53:06.340 I'm satisfied.

00:53:07.420 I'm fulfilled.

00:53:09.480 I'm, I've, I've benefited from that.

00:53:11.420 Well, I mean, look at, look at Goggins and say, okay, take Goggins life.

00:53:16.520 And then say, what's, what's assumed that he just pursued happiness instead.

00:53:21.300 Yeah.

00:53:22.100 You know, he's just going to be happy.

00:53:23.940 Are you kidding?

00:53:25.440 His life would look so drastically different.

00:53:28.180 We want to be reading about the guy.

00:53:29.660 No, we wouldn't.

00:53:30.620 We wouldn't even know about him.

00:53:32.760 It's crazy.

00:53:33.920 Cool.

00:53:34.300 What else?

00:53:34.960 Cool.

00:53:35.120 Uh, where are we?

00:53:37.480 Jeff Bennett.

00:53:38.560 I have really started to ramp up my training in preparation of an event, and I'm going to

00:53:43.820 be doing it at the end of April.

00:53:45.640 This is something that is really important to me to do.

00:53:48.480 Although I talked, talked it through with my wife and she was on board.

00:53:55.080 I'm scrolling.

00:53:56.480 I'm starting to get the hint that she may not be on board as much as I thought.

00:54:01.560 My question is, do I follow through with my pursuit, knowing it is not a forever thing,

00:54:06.640 or do I back off before she, before her concerns are solidified?

00:54:10.920 Do I sacrifice my goals for her?

00:54:13.160 And yes, her concerns are legitimate.

00:54:15.420 So I do not want to begrudge her for voicing them.

00:54:19.780 This extra training takes me away from the family and this leaves her with no help.

00:54:25.140 I think you need to stop for a second and stop assuming all of these little things that

00:54:32.420 you're coming up with that could potentially be in your mind.

00:54:35.420 Because what you said is, I'm starting to get the feeling.

00:54:38.300 What that says to me is that you don't know.

00:54:41.420 You're reading her, right?

00:54:43.020 Look, look, dude, if you're going to be leaving for months, let's just assume it's months,

00:54:47.600 okay?

00:54:47.840 If you're leaving for months, isn't it nice that she's concerned about that?

00:54:54.060 Like, she loves you.

00:54:54.860 She wants you to be around.

00:54:56.740 That's valid.

00:54:57.600 But that doesn't mean that she doesn't think you should pursue it.

00:55:00.880 It just means she's like, oh, shit, I've got some things I got to deal with.

00:55:04.080 I got to get some things in order.

00:55:05.940 It doesn't mean that it's like, I don't want to do this.

00:55:08.960 It just means that, oh, man, if, was it Jeff?

00:55:12.480 If Jeff, right?

00:55:13.640 If Jeff's going to do this, then that's going to be scary or that's going to be hard.

00:55:19.180 And I'm taxing on me.

00:55:20.520 Right.

00:55:20.800 I'm going to be here to take care of the kids myself.

00:55:22.660 And so, she may not even be thinking like, I don't want to stay or she'll have to go or like whatever.

00:55:39.660 Based on what I heard, that sounds like a bunch of unsubstantiated stories that you've made up in your mind.

00:55:48.020 Just sit down with her and talk with her and say, hon, look, we talked about this.

00:55:53.440 You seem fully on board.

00:55:54.820 Now, I'm catching this vibe or this feeling that maybe somehow you're not on board.

00:55:59.260 That's what I'm reading.

00:56:00.160 Maybe you can explain that to me.

00:56:01.380 And then, you know, maybe, and maybe, maybe she does say, well, yeah, it's, you know, I'm scared or I'm going to miss you or it's going to change things for me.

00:56:11.600 And I got to try to figure out, okay, good.

00:56:13.420 Now you can help each other.

00:56:14.400 But like, don't assume, don't assume, you know what she's experiencing unless you have a clear communication.

00:56:20.560 Trapped to fall into and we start assuming that, that we know what other people are experiencing based on their behavior.

00:56:39.760 People are weird, including you and including me.

00:56:42.440 I mean, we're weird.

00:56:44.000 We do some really strange things for some really strange reasons.

00:56:48.620 And not only can we not understand them, it's hard for us to articulate that and for other people to understand our behavior.

00:56:55.700 So, we got to be very, very careful on the assumptions here.

00:56:58.700 And what's at stake is that he may not fall through with something that he is very passionate about.

00:57:03.480 Right.

00:57:03.940 And then, you know damn well what's going to happen if he did.

00:57:07.660 Demonize my wife.

00:57:08.960 Oh, man, I never even achieved that because you were unsupportive.

00:57:14.020 And she's like, what are you talking about?

00:57:15.380 I wanted you to do it.

00:57:17.120 Yeah, totally.

00:57:17.700 Just demonize her and make her wrong and blame her that why you didn't do it either.

00:57:21.180 Right.

00:57:21.460 So, there's a whole lot.

00:57:23.060 There's a lot of danger in this.

00:57:24.780 Yes.

00:57:25.160 You don't get that communication ironed out.

00:57:26.880 Yeah, 100%.

00:57:28.040 Yeah.

00:57:28.740 What else?

00:57:29.480 Fred Legrand.

00:57:31.780 How do you deal with a bad work manager, play the long game, or go on the attack?

00:57:37.800 Well, you don't go on the attack.

00:57:41.040 Because that's not going to work.

00:57:43.320 Right?

00:57:43.860 You don't.

00:57:44.920 I mean, it's kind of like, what is the martial art like?

00:57:48.460 Like judo.

00:57:49.620 Right?

00:57:49.860 You use the opponent's momentum against them.

00:57:54.260 Right?

00:57:54.720 I would even say in jiu-jitsu, this is what we do.

00:57:56.340 Sure.

00:57:56.760 Yeah.

00:57:56.960 And leverage and everything else.

00:57:58.340 So, going on the attack and going berserk will fail you.

00:58:01.420 I promise.

00:58:02.000 It will fail you.

00:58:03.320 It's not going to work.

00:58:05.660 If you try to attempt to undermine or undercut or belittle or go over his head, avoid the

00:58:11.480 chain of command, it's not going to work.

00:58:13.560 It's not going to work.

00:58:14.580 You're going to fail.

00:58:15.820 Because he's better than you at the game.

00:58:17.880 Which is why he's the boss and you're not.

00:58:20.400 I'm not.

00:58:21.160 Notice.

00:58:21.760 I didn't say more qualified.

00:58:24.000 I said he's better at the game right now than you are.

00:58:26.780 And this is a game.

00:58:28.340 And it doesn't have to be underhanded.

00:58:30.520 I'm not saying that.

00:58:31.180 But I'm saying that sometimes the corporate environment is a game.

00:58:34.700 Jocko Willink and Leif Babin have some great stuff.

00:58:36.920 The entire echelon front team.

00:58:38.960 We've interviewed Jocko a couple of times.

00:58:40.500 Leif a couple of times.

00:58:42.060 Dave Burke.

00:58:42.960 JP Danell.

00:58:43.620 I mean, we've interviewed all of them.

00:58:45.200 And they all talk about this.

00:58:46.720 You help your boss win.

00:58:49.020 You help him look good.

00:58:50.740 You help him win.

00:58:51.940 You do your job to the best of your ability.

00:58:54.440 You don't worry about getting the credit or getting the promotion.

00:58:57.480 You help your boss succeed.

00:58:59.140 Because what's going to happen is he's going to get promoted.

00:59:04.480 And who's he going to promote or suggest or recommend to fill his spot?

00:59:09.840 The guy who undermined him at every turn?

00:59:12.700 Who made him look like a fool and tried to get him fired?

00:59:15.920 Or the guy that actually helped him get a promotion?

00:59:19.200 The guy that led.

00:59:20.220 The guy that gave him credit.

00:59:21.240 The guy that he actually likes.

00:59:22.480 So, either the boss is going to get a promotion and or the people above him are going to see,

00:59:27.840 Oh, man.

00:59:29.240 Ryan's a player.

00:59:31.000 He's a mover.

00:59:31.820 He's shaking.

00:59:32.400 He's making things happen.

00:59:33.360 He's getting deals done.

00:59:34.300 He's having conversations.

00:59:35.600 He's bringing new business in.

00:59:37.340 And they'll see that.

00:59:39.040 It's just a natural principle.

00:59:40.340 They're going to see it.

00:59:40.880 So, no.

00:59:42.340 You don't go on the attack.

00:59:43.700 You don't form little mutinies and things like this.

00:59:46.560 You make him look good.

00:59:47.640 If you can't do that because it's an environment that's not safe.

00:59:51.680 And we have those, right?

00:59:53.560 It's either physically not safe or even you're asked to compromise your moral standards.

01:00:00.160 Okay.

01:00:00.320 Well, that's a situation where you need to move on.

01:00:03.280 Not attack.

01:00:04.000 Just, hey, this is an environment that I can no longer be part of.

01:00:08.260 And then you move on.

01:00:09.840 Don't make your boss a better pimp than he is or a better drug dealer.

01:00:13.400 Those are the scenarios you leave.

01:00:15.940 Exactly.

01:00:16.500 That's just in case.

01:00:18.460 Yeah.

01:00:18.820 That's exactly right, man.

01:00:20.160 So, no.

01:00:20.600 I don't think going on the attack is a prudent strategy.

01:00:25.240 Yeah.

01:00:26.040 Okay.

01:00:26.500 Next question.

01:00:27.940 Paul Simard.

01:00:28.600 It's more of a comment and I left it in here because it just helps justify Ryan and I giving crap to Bubba.

01:00:36.440 Oh, I thought you were going to say like it was more just a compliment.

01:00:39.420 It just justifies us doing what it is we're doing.

01:00:42.040 Yeah, because they're so amazing.

01:00:43.100 Yeah.

01:00:43.880 No.

01:00:44.700 Having just joined the IC, I have only ever heard of Bubba on the podcast, primarily on the AMA with Kip.

01:00:51.640 Now I see why you guys bust this ball so much.

01:00:55.720 So, it's your own doing Bubba.

01:00:57.060 It is, but in all fairness, I mean, Bubba has been with us for years and years and has been instrumental, not only in the movement of order, man, but instrumental in organizing and bringing some structure.

01:01:07.360 And I don't want to say dissenting voice, but always being willing to like show the other side like, hey, here's something I recognize that, Ryan, you may see, you may not see, right?

01:01:16.540 Here's a blind spot.

01:01:17.760 And so, he's always been completely open and forthright about, but never from a position of like undermining or attacking like this last question.

01:01:26.420 And it's always been a position of, hey, I care about you.

01:01:29.420 I care about the movement.

01:01:31.280 You've helped me.

01:01:32.380 Like, we've helped him in his life.

01:01:33.780 So, he wants to help me.

01:01:35.100 And so, he's always willing to say what needs to be said so that we can create a better experience for the people we're trying to serve.

01:01:42.780 So, yeah, we bust Bubba's balls quite a bit and he deserves it, but he gives it back just as much.

01:01:47.720 But the side of it that we don't talk a whole lot about is how instrumental Bubba is in growing this movement and bringing to you guys what it is you have in the Iron Council and just order of man in general.

01:02:00.220 And the impact that he's had in guys in the Iron Council.

01:02:02.920 100%.

01:02:03.400 Bubba's a stud.

01:02:05.360 Absolutely.

01:02:06.760 Even if he is a little off with his hats and banana hammocks.

01:02:09.940 Like you said, you can't be perfect, right?

01:02:14.300 Got a lot going for him.

01:02:15.480 He's got a few curb brim hat issues that we need to work on, but on that, he's solid.

01:02:20.300 Totally.

01:02:20.780 On that note, Bubba's curious if there's going to be a future curb brim batch since the latest success of the previous batches.

01:02:28.500 Yeah.

01:02:28.880 So, they did do really, really well to my – well, it was bittersweet, right?

01:02:35.360 It was like a bittersweet day for me.

01:02:36.840 I'm like, man, these hats did really well, but I didn't want them to do as well as they did.

01:02:42.800 Yeah, there'll be more.

01:02:44.120 We've got four – well, we just got a new shipment in, so they're in the store now.

01:02:48.800 There's four iterations, four color combinations, but we'll probably do some more.

01:02:52.860 His request specifically, it sounds like a variation of the Scout.

01:02:56.500 So, green, white mesh, flex fit.

01:02:59.840 That's actually what he's asking for.

01:03:01.280 I don't know if we'll ever do a flex fit.

01:03:03.480 Yeah.

01:03:04.060 I can't envision a day of doing flex fit.

01:03:06.100 I really can't.

01:03:07.100 Could it change in the future?

01:03:08.480 Yeah, but I don't like flex fit hats.

01:03:10.360 I don't think they look good.

01:03:11.520 And the sizing doesn't get right, and then they're too tight in your forehead.

01:03:15.640 I don't know.

01:03:16.140 I don't like them.

01:03:17.080 All right.

01:03:17.420 Terry Schott, next question.

01:03:18.820 Ryan, if your life was made into a movie, what actor, dead or alive, would you want to play and why?

01:03:26.520 Oh, dude.

01:03:27.220 I have no idea.

01:03:28.700 I really don't.

01:03:29.980 I have no idea.

01:03:31.540 What actor would play me?

01:03:33.540 I don't know.

01:03:36.780 Ryan, you'd want to be the elf guys in Lord of the Rings, the minors.

01:03:44.580 Who are those guys?

01:03:45.260 Not elves.

01:03:46.000 The what?

01:03:47.720 The hobbits or whatever?

01:03:50.260 Not the hobbits.

01:03:51.200 The big, strong guys that live in the mountains.

01:03:53.480 Oh, the minors.

01:03:55.120 I don't know what they're called.

01:03:56.820 I don't listen to Lord of the Rings.

01:03:58.740 But I know you're talking about that guy with a big beard.

01:04:03.180 Yeah.

01:04:03.960 Yeah.

01:04:04.540 I can't think of his name, but I know who you're talking about.

01:04:07.020 Oh, my goodness.

01:04:08.120 All the nerds are going to get mad.

01:04:09.720 I don't know what actor.

01:04:12.340 It doesn't matter.

01:04:16.340 It's not real, Terry.

01:04:18.020 If they were going to make a movie about me, I would play in that role, man.

01:04:21.360 Like, who else is going to play me?

01:04:23.220 Well played.

01:04:24.020 Well played, sir.

01:04:25.460 Who do I respect as an actor?

01:04:27.420 Yes.

01:04:28.740 You know, I like Bradley Cooper as an actor.

01:04:31.600 The last one he did, A Star is Born.

01:04:34.080 I love that movie.

01:04:35.240 Him and Lady Gaga, of all people, absolutely killed that movie.

01:04:40.120 Yeah, it was a good movie.

01:04:40.860 He would be good.

01:04:42.080 I like Chris Pratt.

01:04:43.400 Not for his, like, real movies.

01:04:44.760 I just like Chris Pratt for Lego movies.

01:04:49.200 He's good in, like, Jurassic Park in those two.

01:04:51.980 I don't know.

01:04:53.160 I don't know who would play me.

01:04:54.560 There you go, Terry.

01:04:55.980 All right.

01:04:56.820 Bart Foles.

01:04:57.540 Does Kip have a beard inferiority complex?

01:05:01.860 Apparently not because I shaved.

01:05:04.460 And I'm on, like, a video with Ryan here in that big, luscious beard.

01:05:09.220 It's the dichotomy of facial hair.

01:05:11.280 We do this by design, right?

01:05:13.380 So we want to appeal to both the guys who can't or don't want to grow beards and those

01:05:21.260 who feel like they have a moral obligation to rock it for those who can't or don't want

01:05:26.380 to.

01:05:27.080 There you go.

01:05:27.820 So we're taking both groups.

01:05:30.800 Yes.

01:05:31.720 All right.

01:05:32.180 Bart had two questions.

01:05:33.200 Number two, if the ideal-

01:05:34.260 I'm really going to have to think.

01:05:35.380 I'm sorry.

01:05:35.640 I got to interrupt you.

01:05:36.240 I'm really going to have to think about that movie thing.

01:05:39.280 Yeah.

01:05:39.640 I wish I had a better answer.

01:05:40.860 I didn't want to dismiss Terry's question.

01:05:42.740 I kind of am intrigued by that question.

01:05:44.660 Maybe you guys have ideas.

01:05:46.660 So if you have an idea of who should play me, hit us up on, you know, Twitter, Instagram,

01:05:51.160 Facebook, wherever.

01:05:52.260 So who should play you in the story of Ryan's life or do you play them?

01:05:57.040 No, who should play me?

01:05:58.140 Sounds good.

01:06:01.080 I'm curious.

01:06:02.100 All right.

01:06:02.780 Bart's second question.

01:06:04.100 He's got to be handsome.

01:06:05.220 He's got to be whoever it is.

01:06:06.320 He's got to be a handsome, rugged individual.

01:06:08.540 All right.

01:06:08.840 What does Bart have?

01:06:09.540 I'm trying to move on here.

01:06:12.080 If the ideal version of your 80-year-old self could give you one piece of advice to your

01:06:18.340 current self, what would it be and why?

01:06:20.300 Take more risks.

01:06:22.080 Take more risks.

01:06:23.600 Guys, we are playing it way too safe.

01:06:26.760 I mean, we are.

01:06:27.560 As I consider this move across Maine, it's actually a really interesting social experiment

01:06:31.900 to hear how many people are like, oh, why are you moving?

01:06:34.480 And I say, no logical reason whatsoever.

01:06:38.180 Because I can.

01:06:39.480 I don't have a logical reason.

01:06:41.440 I know Pete Roberts with Origin out there and Brian Littlefield and their families.

01:06:46.040 And that's it.

01:06:47.340 Ryan's trying to hook up some free geese from Origin.

01:06:49.900 He thinks he'll get like a discount.

01:06:52.200 We've been out there twice.

01:06:53.680 I've been to Maine twice.

01:06:55.060 It's hardly enough time to make a reasonable decision to move my family across the country.

01:07:02.200 I have no logical reason whatsoever other than to go back to our previous question.

01:07:08.400 It's like, I just feel compelled to do it.

01:07:11.060 And like, what's the worst that could happen?

01:07:13.100 We get out there.

01:07:14.000 We get out there.

01:07:16.460 We get out there.

01:07:25.060 And we just live these sedentary lifestyles.

01:07:31.360 And I know, I know that every man that's sitting on his deathbed is looking back and

01:07:36.480 he's not saying, I wish I would have taken a few less risks.

01:07:41.100 I wish I would have played a little safer.

01:07:42.860 I wish I would have been a little mediocre.

01:07:45.140 No, he's saying, man, I should have done that one thing.

01:07:47.160 I should have asked that woman out or I should have started that business or I should have

01:07:50.720 went on that adventure.

01:07:51.660 I should have done this.

01:07:52.940 Should have, should have, should have, should have, should have, should have, should have.

01:07:55.060 Which leads me to believe that most of us regret our lives because we're not willing to take

01:08:00.340 a calculated risk.

01:08:03.880 And what's the worst that's going to happen?

01:08:05.520 You're going to be out a few bucks.

01:08:06.700 You're going to, you're not going to be, you know, happy.

01:08:09.000 Like we talked about earlier for a little while.

01:08:11.100 Like what's the worst that could happen?

01:08:13.240 Play that stuff out and take some more calculated risks.

01:08:16.540 That's, that's what I think.

01:08:18.020 Without a doubt.

01:08:19.340 You've seen this when, with you being in Boy Scouts, right?

01:08:22.740 Like what happens when you take a risk and you go on a backpacking trip and it goes completely

01:08:28.820 south and everything goes wrong.

01:08:31.460 Yeah.

01:08:31.680 Those are the wonderful memories, right?

01:08:34.500 Like all the mistakes end up being kind of good things, you know, as long as you grow

01:08:38.860 from them.

01:08:39.540 Grow from them.

01:08:40.300 True.

01:08:40.820 Yeah.

01:08:41.460 True.

01:08:42.420 All right.

01:08:42.920 Jake.

01:08:43.660 Did we get through the iron council questions?

01:08:45.780 No.

01:08:46.660 How many more iron council questions do we have?

01:08:48.700 Iron council guys.

01:08:50.960 Uh, one, two, three, four.

01:08:52.660 Okay.

01:08:52.880 Let's get through those quick.

01:08:53.920 We'll do rapid fire on the next four.

01:08:55.900 And then we'll save the Facebook group questions for next week.

01:08:58.900 We'll get to those next week.

01:09:00.280 Yeah.

01:09:00.420 I'll answer them for you.

01:09:01.440 Just do it.

01:09:02.100 Next question.

01:09:03.460 Yes.

01:09:04.200 No.

01:09:04.660 Yes.

01:09:05.020 No.

01:09:05.340 Maybe.

01:09:06.000 I think so.

01:09:06.940 Stupid question.

01:09:08.280 Dumb.

01:09:08.840 Dumb.

01:09:09.340 Not answering that.

01:09:10.820 Okay.

01:09:11.420 Okay.

01:09:11.820 Let's go rapid fire.

01:09:13.160 Okay.

01:09:13.360 Jake share.

01:09:14.060 How can one persuade an individual that podcasts are not just a boring waste of time?

01:09:18.720 Why would you want to?

01:09:20.180 Why does it matter?

01:09:21.380 It doesn't matter what other people want.

01:09:23.620 Like just share what you like.

01:09:25.780 And if they're like, oh, cool.

01:09:26.860 I'll check it out.

01:09:27.460 Then good.

01:09:28.140 Good job.

01:09:28.780 If you're trying to convince them to come to order of man, cause they really need it.

01:09:32.120 And yet you're having to like push and prod and poke and pull.

01:09:34.740 Look, they're not ready.

01:09:35.480 No big deal.

01:09:36.100 So don't worry about it.

01:09:37.200 Just share what you can and let the chips fall where they may.

01:09:39.700 What else?

01:09:40.700 Lighthouse.

01:09:41.780 Drew sends.

01:09:43.420 What do I outsource first?

01:09:45.160 Delivery of services with my personal clients or off work invoices, newsletters, schedules, et

01:09:51.240 cetera.

01:09:51.800 Office work.

01:09:52.640 Office work.

01:09:53.440 Yep.

01:09:53.860 That's what you, that's what you get rid of first because your interaction with clients

01:09:57.800 is significantly more relevant and more profitable than sending invoices and inventory and whatever

01:10:05.980 else.

01:10:06.240 So you outsource the office stuff, keep the personal interaction and delivery to customers.

01:10:11.100 You can worry about that later.

01:10:12.340 What else?

01:10:13.020 Referrals will come from the clients.

01:10:14.360 Exactly.

01:10:14.720 Not from the office work.

01:10:15.620 Dennis Morris.

01:10:16.580 I would love to hear more about your experience with your son's principal in the paper about

01:10:20.720 AR-15s.

01:10:21.980 Yeah.

01:10:22.280 Curious for how you approach the principal, conversations with your son after, move forward

01:10:28.160 plan.

01:10:28.560 Also, when you did an AR of the whole situation, after action review of the whole situation,

01:10:37.420 what would you do differently next time?

01:10:39.480 Well, I don't really think this is a fair representation of what happens in society because I, it is

01:10:45.480 what I posted.

01:10:46.420 Okay.

01:10:46.620 So for those of you who don't know, my son yesterday got sent to the principal's office

01:10:50.340 because he wrote a report titled, how to correctly shoot an AR-15.

01:10:54.260 So, which I was so proud of.

01:10:56.900 I'm like, that's awesome.

01:10:57.520 He read it to me.

01:10:58.100 I'm like, that sounds great, bud.

01:10:59.040 I love it.

01:11:00.140 And then he turned it in and the teacher sent him to the principal's office.

01:11:02.600 Well, the interesting thing about this is, is that the principal and I, we shoot together

01:11:07.480 and we shoot with some young men in our neighborhood through our church program.

01:11:12.620 Um, so, so he got sent to the guy that I shoot with occasionally with other young men in the

01:11:19.820 community.

01:11:20.180 Like I wasn't really concerned about it, but the part that he had to take out.

01:11:24.840 So the principal did ask him to take one part of it out.

01:11:28.180 And the part that he had to take out was the instructions for how to make Tannerite more

01:11:35.860 explosive than it already is.

01:11:39.860 That is awesome.

01:11:41.200 So the principal said, well, you got to take, you got to take this part out, but everything

01:11:47.000 else is good.

01:11:47.740 Another kid got sent to the principal's office about how to shoot a 410, a little shotgun.

01:11:52.680 And the principal said, it's a really good article or it's a really good report.

01:11:58.280 Uh, you just need to make sure to add some safety rules in there.

01:12:01.180 So he actually had him add stuff to the report.

01:12:03.320 So the principal's great.

01:12:05.000 The, the T look, I kind of feel like maybe I threw the teacher under the bus a little bit.

01:12:09.040 She's a great teacher.

01:12:10.060 We have a great relationship.

01:12:11.700 I think she was kind of following protocol.

01:12:14.380 You know, she's got to do some things.

01:12:16.400 She loves my son.

01:12:17.600 They have a great relationship as teacher and student.

01:12:20.420 Um, and so he tweaked that thing.

01:12:22.100 He took out the instructions for how to make Tannerite more explosive.

01:12:25.720 Got his great back.

01:12:26.940 Did fine on the report.

01:12:28.360 All was well.

01:12:29.420 But that was the situation.

01:12:31.260 Where, where did you learn that Tannerite stuff from?

01:12:34.100 Legacy, baby.

01:12:35.540 That was from the legacy event.

01:12:37.280 We had a couple of Navy SEALs come out.

01:12:39.340 One Navy SEAL and his business partner.

01:12:40.980 So Chad Timney is his business partner.

01:12:42.820 And then Fred Ruiz, Navy SEALs.

01:12:44.400 Uh, we blew up some, we, we shot from these guys.

01:12:47.240 They're, they're professional instructors.

01:12:48.560 So they taught us.

01:12:49.340 And then we, uh, how do you say, doctored up the Tannerite to make it a little bit more

01:12:54.400 explosive than it, uh, so if you want to learn how come to legacy, order of man.com

01:13:01.520 slash legacy, bring your son.

01:13:02.960 We'll have a good time.

01:13:03.940 And if the, if the Michler family lived in California, this would have been on the nightly

01:13:08.380 news and would have been a national thing.

01:13:10.800 So just, and I still would have been proud.

01:13:12.580 I would have been, oh, I would have been proud.

01:13:14.500 And I would have been doing national interviews on CNN and Fox about the, how ridiculous it

01:13:21.000 is that a child can't talk about something that is, uh, constitutionally protected and

01:13:26.680 legal, frankly.

01:13:27.460 So about the AR 15, the assault rifle, that's what it sounds like.

01:13:31.060 Assault rifle.

01:13:32.780 Yeah.

01:13:33.400 Yeah.

01:13:33.720 All right.

01:13:34.040 Justin Stewart, surrender.

01:13:36.240 In your opinion, what does it mean to have, uh, what does it mean for a man of action?

01:13:42.960 Okay.

01:13:43.440 Let me read that again.

01:13:44.160 In your opinion, what does it mean for a man of action for me?

01:13:48.080 It's balancing my plans and action steps with a confidence and sense of peace, knowing

01:13:53.640 that the, how is God's domain.

01:13:56.260 In other words, I'm okay either way, but I'm sure going to fight for what I want.

01:14:01.360 God willing, I will get it.

01:14:03.920 I'm, I'm a little lost.

01:14:06.600 I think he's asking for the, your opinion on that word surrender, right?

01:14:11.960 Oh, he's not talking about surrender.

01:14:13.820 As in quit.

01:14:14.460 He's talking about surrendering to God.

01:14:16.600 Yeah, exactly.

01:14:17.460 Okay.

01:14:19.020 Who sensitive, tough one.

01:14:22.640 Um, I've never been a big, if it's God's will kind of guy.

01:14:26.700 You know, I, I, I believe that we all have a plan.

01:14:31.080 So I submit myself to that plan, but here's the challenge.

01:14:34.740 I don't know what the plan is.

01:14:36.680 He knows what it is, but I don't because I don't know.

01:14:40.460 And this is where we get into the free will discussion.

01:14:42.680 And Sam Harris actually talks a lot about this.

01:14:44.820 He says, there is no free will.

01:14:46.020 I think there is because we don't know what's going to happen, which makes us act freely.

01:14:53.300 Now, if we knew what was going to happen, if we knew the programming, that would influence

01:14:57.560 the results.

01:14:58.100 Just like you're doing a, a, a survey or an experimentation.

01:15:01.280 If those that you are just there, there's been surveys and studies about this.

01:15:05.420 Those individuals who are studied change their behavior.

01:15:08.680 If they know they're studied, which, which takes away some of the free will of it.

01:15:15.380 So I believe that I have a plan for me.

01:15:18.620 I believe that, let me, let me rephrase that.

01:15:20.640 I believe that he has a plan for me and I submit myself to that, but I don't excuse myself

01:15:27.000 of the responsibility and obligation to do any work required to achieve what it is.

01:15:31.620 I believe I need to be achieving.

01:15:33.320 And then I asked for guidance and direction along the way.

01:15:35.620 I don't know what the plan is for me.

01:15:36.940 And frankly, I don't even know if I do want to know what the plan is.

01:15:41.140 So long story short, I surrender to him knowing that he has a plan and that when things don't

01:15:47.040 work out, regardless of how hard I tried and everything that I did in order to accomplish

01:15:51.840 what I thought was a worthy objective, I can take it in stride knowing that, you know what?

01:15:57.660 There's a reason for this.

01:15:59.660 There's a reason that although I put everything I possibly could into making this work, that it

01:16:04.980 didn't work out, that it's all going to be okay.

01:16:08.040 That there's potentially something.

01:16:21.500 Insulting.

01:16:22.740 That is insulting to our creator who's given us everything that we need to do to create

01:16:27.220 our own lives.

01:16:28.340 I don't know what the plan is.

01:16:29.580 I know there's a plan.

01:16:30.360 I don't know what it is.

01:16:31.700 So I'm going to do everything in my power to live the type of life I feel compelled

01:16:36.080 and called to live.

01:16:39.440 It's a good question.

01:16:40.380 Wrap up on.

01:16:41.580 It's a good question.

01:16:42.880 Yeah.

01:16:43.400 It's an interesting thought.

01:16:44.500 You know, I have a lot of guys ask about that.

01:16:46.200 Like, where is the balance?

01:16:47.380 In fact, I made a post about this on Instagram.

01:16:49.080 It's like, where is the balance between being sovereign, right?

01:16:55.540 Taking responsibility for yourself and surrendering yourself to a higher power.

01:16:59.180 I don't think those terms are at odds with each other.

01:17:02.480 Yeah, I don't think so either.

01:17:03.660 I mean, I think that's the plan.

01:17:05.440 That is the plan for you to be sovereign.

01:17:08.500 Look, let's change the relationship.

01:17:10.760 Instead of talking about you and God, talk about you and your son.

01:17:17.460 You want your son to be independent and your daughters.

01:17:20.600 You want your sons and your daughters, biological sons and daughters, to be independent.

01:17:25.120 I do.

01:17:26.140 I want them to make their own decisions.

01:17:27.600 I want them to have the tools and the experience and the knowledge and the know-how to be able to make good decisions.

01:17:36.300 But I also have goals and aspirations and things that I want them to accomplish.

01:17:41.080 But ultimately, it's on them.

01:17:42.520 And I'm going to allow them to make the decisions that they feel are in their best interest and be there when they need me to help coax them through a challenging situation.

01:17:51.140 Or pat them on the back and say, good job when they make the right decisions.

01:17:54.900 I think if we looked at the relationship between us and our Heavenly Father a little closer to the way that we look at our relationship between us and our children, I think we would better be equipped to understand how it all plays out.

01:18:08.200 For sure.

01:18:09.360 Well, and I think if you use your analogy of father and son, I mean, there's moments where we may go to our children and say, hey, I know this is tough.

01:18:18.380 I know you don't want to do it.

01:18:19.920 You can do it.

01:18:21.340 Yeah.

01:18:21.520 And this is what you need to do.

01:18:22.660 That's the moment of surrender, right?

01:18:24.340 That's when your kid is going, okay, I don't see that.

01:18:28.240 I don't see how that's possible.

01:18:30.100 But dad, I'm going to trust in you.

01:18:32.020 I'm going to trust in you.

01:18:33.000 And you know what?

01:18:33.380 I'm going to do it.

01:18:34.680 And they take action.

01:18:36.000 They take a leap of faith.

01:18:36.940 I think those are the moments of, quote unquote, surrender.

01:18:39.920 Yeah.

01:18:40.260 Right.

01:18:40.540 Where we have to trust in the Lord that, hey, you know what?

01:18:42.360 It's going to work out.

01:18:43.420 Yeah.

01:18:44.980 Right on, man.

01:18:45.740 We got through a lot.

01:18:46.740 We didn't get through enough, but we got through a lot.

01:18:49.340 Yeah.

01:18:49.580 You guys were really excited to hear from Ryan again.

01:18:52.200 The questions came in flooding.

01:18:54.400 Yeah.

01:18:55.020 Well, and you got through all of the questions last week, which I've never done in my entire life.

01:18:59.740 Yeah.

01:18:59.860 Well, yeah, but this is like usually just half the amount of questions that you normally get.

01:19:04.140 You did great.

01:19:05.060 More of a disclaimer.

01:19:06.080 Let's wrap it up.

01:19:07.220 Yeah.

01:19:07.560 So first off, Ryan talked about this earlier.

01:19:11.580 If you're interested in the Tribe Builder course, there's roughly two to three spots left.

01:19:16.020 That starts February 1st.

01:19:18.960 No future schedules of Tribe Builders.

01:19:21.820 They may exist.

01:19:22.500 They may not.

01:19:23.380 The point is, take advantage of opportunities that are being placed before you.

01:19:27.000 This is an opportunity.

01:19:27.840 So if you want to learn more, what's the URL again, Ryan?

01:19:31.740 Orderofman.com slash Tribe Builder.

01:19:34.460 I'm not creative.

01:19:35.280 I usually just do orderofman.com slash.

01:19:37.800 Forward slash.

01:19:38.280 Fill in the blank.

01:19:39.020 Yep.

01:19:39.440 Slash.

01:19:39.860 Not forward slash, guys.

01:19:40.960 Don't get yourself confused.

01:19:42.680 It's just a slash.

01:19:43.680 Just a slash.

01:19:44.900 Although there's another button on your keyboard that may confuse you, but we won't talk about that.

01:19:48.940 If you're confused, look, if you're confused about what slash to use, do not sign up for Tribe Builder.

01:19:54.980 I promise you it will be over your head.

01:19:58.320 Good point.

01:19:59.160 Good point.

01:20:00.220 If you want to support this order, you know, we talked about this today, right?

01:20:05.380 There seems to be a heightened awareness around masculinity.

01:20:14.200 Don't sit back.

01:20:15.420 Don't be a spectator.

01:20:17.480 Join us.

01:20:18.380 Join the movement.

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01:20:41.060 And then for you guys willing to step up even more so and get on the court in life, you can do that through joining us on patreon.com slash order of man.

01:20:50.640 Or join the Brotherhood, the Iron Council, where it is very much about being on the court in life, where we are having discussions in this month, in particular around David Goggin's book.

01:21:03.180 You have that podcast coming tomorrow or what?

01:21:08.400 No, next week.

01:21:09.600 Tuesday of next week.

01:21:10.960 Tuesday of next week.

01:21:12.400 And we're taking those challenges for you guys that have not read that book.

01:21:17.900 There's challenges in this book.

01:21:19.140 And what's great about it is as I'm reading this book, it's like, hey, here's a challenge and find people to talk to.

01:21:26.400 I'm like, man, we got this already ironed out.

01:21:29.120 I already have 15 guys for me to balance these conversations with.

01:21:33.040 And not only are there just 15 other people, but there are 15 other people that are like-minded, that are on the same page.

01:21:38.900 We're on the same path and we're getting after it.

01:21:42.060 And it's, man, I just, I love the momentum we've had in the Iron Council lately.

01:21:46.820 We're growing and great things.

01:21:50.620 Great things are coming.

01:21:51.740 I'm really excited.

01:21:53.160 So learn more about the Iron Council at orderofman.com slash Iron Council.

01:21:58.860 Right on.

01:21:59.340 That's it, guys.

01:22:00.580 And join Mr.

01:22:01.220 I'm doing a lot more on Twitter at Ryan Mickler.

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01:22:13.740 Tell us who would play me in a movie about my life.

01:22:18.740 I think that's it.

01:22:20.160 Yeah.

01:22:20.400 And just follow Ryan on Twitter because he's twatting all the time.

01:22:23.860 Is that, is that?

01:22:25.460 That is not appropriate, Kevin.

01:22:26.680 That's not appropriate.

01:22:28.540 What is it called?

01:22:30.600 Tweet.

01:22:31.460 Tweeting.

01:22:32.000 A twitting?

01:22:33.140 Tweet.

01:22:34.060 Come on, man.

01:22:35.040 You got to learn this stuff.

01:22:36.800 All right, guys.

01:22:37.500 We'll let you go.

01:22:38.060 Have a great weekend or a great week.

01:22:39.380 I guess it's only Wednesday.

01:22:40.180 Have a great week.

01:22:40.880 And we'll catch you on Friday for our Friday Field Notes.

01:22:44.140 And of course, next week, David Goggins and AMAs and everything else that we've got going on.

01:22:48.380 So I hope all is well.

01:22:50.100 Glad to turn this journey with us.

01:22:51.240 Go out there, take action, and become the man you are.

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Order of Man - January 16, 2019

Strategy Vs. Execution, Dealing with a Bad Boss, and Not Making Yourself the Victim ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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