Order of Man - Strength + Morality, What Historical Culture says it Means to be a Man

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:06.020 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.480 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.

00:00:15.500 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.

00:00:19.760 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:25.140 Kip, what's going on, man? Glad to be joining you for another Ask Me Anything.

00:00:27.700 Fifty-one, if I remember.

00:00:30.460 Is that what it is? Wow. We're doing good, man.

00:00:32.000 Yeah.

00:00:33.620 I can't believe we've been doing this for, I guess, almost a year now because we haven't missed a week, so almost a year.

00:00:39.380 Almost a year.

00:00:40.480 I'm enjoying it, man. I'm a little stressed out today. I've got to be honest.

00:00:43.060 I took a time out in my day to be on this call because I've been tearing apart the barn, which looks really, really cool,

00:00:49.760 and I'm excited to go back out there and work on it more.

00:00:52.460 Yeah, and I'm assuming that's a little bit of a hard transition.

00:00:57.460 I find it as a hard transition to be doing manual labor and working physically hard and then get behind a computer.

00:01:05.820 I don't know. For whatever reason, for me, that is a difficult thing to do.

00:01:09.360 Yeah, that must just be you because I can transition like you wouldn't believe.

00:01:12.540 No, it is hard because I get in the mode of – well, right now, it's just destruction mode, which is kind of nice.

00:01:20.720 I went and bought a 10-pound sledgehammer yesterday, and I've just been bashing stuff in the barn, and it's been a good release for me,

00:01:28.860 and it's been a good workout, too. Oh, my goodness.

00:01:31.700 That's cool.

00:01:32.340 Yeah, it's been good.

00:01:32.880 That's fun.

00:01:33.220 I'm excited to see it in a couple weeks.

00:01:35.140 Yeah, you're going to be out, man, for the main event.

00:01:37.120 Those of you guys who don't know, if you want, we still have a few spots.

00:01:40.220 I think we're shutting down registration here pretty quickly, but we've got an event out here in Maine, August 10th and 11th

00:01:46.220 with a dinner for the Iron Council members on the 9th.

00:01:49.180 But, yeah, check it out, orderofman.com slash main event.

00:01:52.220 Maine is in the state Maine.

00:01:53.780 My wife and I drove to NASCAR over the weekend, and the reason I say that is because we had hours and hours of sitting in the car,

00:02:02.340 hashing out some ideas and thinking about what we want to do, and it's coming together, man.

00:02:06.420 I'm really, really excited about it, and it's going to be a good event for the guys, for sure.

00:02:11.120 Cool.

00:02:11.660 Well, on that subject, Paul Karaman, he actually had a question about the main event,

00:02:15.640 and I know we haven't really even told our listeners what this episode of the podcast is,

00:02:20.340 but he was actually wondering if you could share any tidbits about that main event.

00:02:24.780 Yeah, you know, I was thinking a lot about the overview or the themes of what we're going to be addressing there in the event,

00:02:32.380 and I would say that number one is a level of clarity.

00:02:38.720 That's really ultimately my goal is to help guys get very, very clear on what they want to accomplish over the next 90 days.

00:02:46.600 So we're all going to be working through battle plans.

00:02:48.900 Guys will be split up in teams, and they'll be working together.

00:02:54.320 They'll be poking holes in each other's battle plans to shore these things up,

00:02:58.280 to make sure they're airtight, and to make sure they actually get accomplished.

00:03:01.220 So there's that.

00:03:03.160 There's also the communication and camaraderie that we're going to have with other men.

00:03:09.380 I was just having a conversation earlier today with one of our team leaders in the Iron Council,

00:03:14.280 and he said one of his team members joined because the guy said that more of his friends seem to be worried about electronic social media,

00:03:22.460 their phone, all that kind of stuff, as opposed to getting together and actually having a real brotherhood.

00:03:27.800 And that's what the camaraderie will do at the event.

00:03:32.060 I've noticed at the other events that we've had, I mean, there's guys that came to our very, very first uprising three years ago now.

00:03:38.480 We called ourselves the Terrible 20, and they're still very, very terrible.

00:03:43.540 Yeah, they're horrible.

00:03:46.300 They're still communicating.

00:03:48.880 They're still battle brothers, if you will, holding each other accountable.

00:03:52.340 And this was three years ago.

00:03:53.880 So you're going to have other guys who want to accomplish things, who are willing to invest in themselves because they're there.

00:03:59.800 And then you're going to have, lastly, the cooperation of these guys working together, trying to achieve,

00:04:05.140 trying to work through the battle plans, trying to ensure that they're doing big things with their marriages

00:04:10.360 and their fitness goals and their career aspirations and really just every facet of life.

00:04:15.440 But we've also got some competitions going.

00:04:17.320 We've got some physical exercise and activities.

00:04:19.600 I don't want to give away too much of that stuff because some of it's a surprise,

00:04:22.360 but you're going to be pushed physically, mentally, emotionally.

00:04:25.920 You're going to be challenged.

00:04:27.380 And every day I'm thinking about something new that I want to add,

00:04:30.280 and I'm just worried we don't have enough time to get it all in.

00:04:32.840 Yeah, and Chris Gatch goes like, stop, stop, come up with the ideas.

00:04:37.680 I just made a sizable purchase this morning.

00:04:41.060 My wife did because I asked her to.

00:04:43.840 And I want to tell you guys what it is so bad, but I'm not going to do it.

00:04:47.720 I'm not going to do it.

00:04:49.420 Just come to the event.

00:04:50.800 And if you don't, you'll see the video and you'll want to come to the next one.

00:04:54.260 What's going to happen is you guys are all going to show up.

00:04:56.980 And then Ryan's like, all right, you mow this part of my yard.

00:05:00.100 That's right.

00:05:00.560 You mow this part.

00:05:01.380 Hey, Kip, you guys, you go over there, you put some fences in.

00:05:05.580 We'll end up just being free labor for the whole weekend.

00:05:08.500 That's one.

00:05:09.280 Somebody who's done that very well is Joe DeSena with the Spartan Races.

00:05:12.780 When you go to one of his events, I went to his Spartan Agoge several years ago.

00:05:17.580 And yeah, we were doing work on his ranch, on his farm.

00:05:20.900 It was heavy duty manual labor.

00:05:22.940 You won't be doing that.

00:05:23.980 There might be a few little odds and ends here, but it's not going to be like that.

00:05:27.720 That's not what kind of event it is.

00:05:28.720 It's for you guys, not for me.

00:05:30.160 I love it.

00:05:32.820 Yeah.

00:05:32.960 All right.

00:05:33.280 Well, this is the AMA.

00:05:35.200 What is that, Mr. Mickler?

00:05:36.640 Ask me anything, right?

00:05:37.800 So we're fielding questions from the Iron Council.

00:05:41.140 We're fielding questions from the Facebook group.

00:05:42.940 I think we've got some really, really good questions.

00:05:45.020 I went through them this morning and we've got some very thoughtful questions.

00:05:48.260 So if you've got a question, make sure you're asking those in the Facebook group or inside

00:05:52.480 the Iron Council and we'll do our best to answer them.

00:05:56.520 Can't always say we're right, but hopefully we give you something to consider and think

00:05:59.700 about and get you pointed in somewhat of the right direction.

00:06:02.860 So I will say it is.

00:06:05.580 And that's a great point.

00:06:06.300 And that actually ties into what I was just going to say is that every once in a while

00:06:09.800 I hear from somebody, it's usually somebody who's bitter or resentful that they're not

00:06:12.860 out creating what I am or what they want to be creating.

00:06:15.600 And so they'll say, well, who makes you the expert?

00:06:19.360 Nobody.

00:06:19.720 Nobody, you know, I've never said I'm the expert.

00:06:22.020 I've got a perspective.

00:06:23.460 I'm nailing some things, quite honestly.

00:06:25.560 Like I'm, I'm really doing well in life and some things and you know what?

00:06:28.920 I'm falling short on some things as well.

00:06:30.980 So I'll tell you if I am, I'll tell you if I'm the guy to ask, I'll tell you if I'm not

00:06:35.640 the guy to ask as will you Kip.

00:06:38.000 And well, like I said, just, well, like you said, it's just, it's perspective, give you

00:06:42.080 the perspective and hopefully what you learn will broaden your horizons and help you accomplish

00:06:46.700 more in your life.

00:06:47.240 That's what, that's what the order man is all about is about giving us the tools and

00:06:50.420 the conversations and resources that you need to step up as a man.

00:06:54.320 So this is just one element of that.

00:06:56.280 Yeah.

00:06:56.680 And give those things so you can give it some consideration.

00:06:59.500 And let's be frank.

00:07:00.420 I mean, even if we are a hundred percent accurate on some of these questions, do you think we

00:07:04.760 even come close to having enough data to be a, to give an exact correct answer all the

00:07:10.260 time?

00:07:10.580 No way.

00:07:11.300 Right.

00:07:11.980 And should you be following it blindly personally to even answer those questions?

00:07:15.660 You know, it's like, you know.

00:07:18.160 Considerations.

00:07:18.820 Right.

00:07:19.080 That's right.

00:07:19.660 Just different perspectives, give you a broader sense of the picture.

00:07:22.600 And then ultimately, so your life, you got to make the decision.

00:07:25.880 Yeah, totally.

00:07:26.740 All right.

00:07:26.900 Let's get into it.

00:07:27.940 So Ryan mentioned two things, Facebook and the iron council, uh, to join us on Facebook,

00:07:32.320 you guys can go to facebook.com slash group slash order of man.

00:07:35.920 And then to join our exclusive brotherhood, the iron council, you can learn more at order

00:07:40.280 of man.com slash iron council.

00:07:43.380 All right.

00:07:43.900 So our first question, we have a handful of questions here from our iron council brothers.

00:07:48.840 Uh, our first is from Chris, uh, Silvestri.

00:07:53.020 Uh, and I probably slaughtered that a little bit, Chris.

00:07:55.460 Sorry about that.

00:07:56.180 Probably you officially did.

00:07:58.300 I did.

00:07:58.840 Okay.

00:07:59.080 How do you pronounce it?

00:08:00.020 You know, I don't know.

00:08:00.760 I didn't, I don't know.

00:08:03.340 I'm not saying I have a better answer.

00:08:04.940 I'm just saying, I don't, I know that's not it.

00:08:07.820 Oh, okay.

00:08:08.600 All right.

00:08:09.140 Who was your favorite podcast interview?

00:08:11.880 Well, I get this question quite a bit.

00:08:13.440 I, you know what?

00:08:14.120 Like I'm not going to cop out.

00:08:15.640 I will just to start this off by saying I learned from every one of these guys.

00:08:19.260 I really do.

00:08:20.280 I learn and gain a new perspective that I just hadn't considered before.

00:08:24.120 And I love having the conversations.

00:08:27.000 I mean, that's one of the best things about running this organization is I get to have

00:08:30.420 conversations with incredible, incredible men.

00:08:33.100 Uh, but who are my favorite or, or some of the best, uh, Jocko willing Jocko three.

00:08:37.740 I've interviewed him three times.

00:08:39.140 In fact, I think I'm going to be interviewing him in another month.

00:08:42.300 Uh, but Jocko three was really good because we sat down and did it face to face.

00:08:45.740 That was cool.

00:08:46.800 Uh, John Eldridge is always one of my favorites because he's been so instrumental on my path

00:08:51.860 to masculinity.

00:08:52.400 If you don't know who he is, uh, he, among other things, he's the author of wild at heart,

00:08:57.380 which is one of my favorite books.

00:08:58.980 So check that out.

00:09:00.020 It's a great book.

00:09:00.720 If you haven't read that, that's actually, I think that that book actually couples very well

00:09:04.420 with, with my book sovereignty.

00:09:05.680 So if you want two good books, read those together.

00:09:08.540 And I think you'll get a pretty good handle on the foundation of masculinity.

00:09:13.700 Um, yeah, man, I've, I've got some good ones coming out.

00:09:17.280 Bert Soren, he's a good friend of mine.

00:09:19.120 We had just had a conversation last week, released that yesterday.

00:09:21.900 Matt best is coming out next week, man, so many, and it's hard to pick just one or two

00:09:28.680 or three out of the, I don't know, 200 that we've done now.

00:09:31.120 I was thinking about your, your cop out response there at the, at the initial of that question

00:09:36.860 or your response there.

00:09:37.840 And it's funny, I think it's like kids, like you don't really, honestly, you really don't

00:09:43.240 love one kid or the other.

00:09:44.560 You just love different aspects of that kid.

00:09:46.680 And so I think it's the same way with these men that you interview is there's certain aspects

00:09:52.700 that I completely love about the Jocko interview.

00:09:55.440 And then there's another aspect of Goggins that I'm just like, man, it's such a great

00:10:00.540 interview.

00:10:01.080 And then, uh, and just Gary, John Bishop's fresh on my mind just because you interviewed

00:10:06.080 me a few weeks ago and I'm like, dude, I love that guy.

00:10:08.200 And so it's just, but, but is he better than Jocko or was that a better interview?

00:10:13.300 No, it's just a different aspect of it that I really appreciated that, that Jocko didn't

00:10:18.160 bring.

00:10:19.100 That's right.

00:10:19.420 So, yep, that's right.

00:10:20.820 Uh, I'm just looking through the list right now.

00:10:22.800 There's just so many on here.

00:10:24.820 Like Hans Molenkamp was awesome.

00:10:27.740 Uh, Garrett, like you said, Gary, John Bishop was really good.

00:10:31.800 Who else is on?

00:10:32.760 Well, and your interview yesterday with Soren is, is pretty, pretty awesome.

00:10:37.100 Yeah.

00:10:37.260 It's a really good interview.

00:10:38.500 So Remy, it's all good.

00:10:42.020 It is all good.

00:10:43.780 Yeah.

00:10:44.000 Just find things that apply to you.

00:10:45.820 Then, then yeah.

00:10:47.160 Elliot Hulse, that was another really good one.

00:10:49.400 It was a fascinating one.

00:10:51.100 Yeah.

00:10:51.240 A really fascinating one.

00:10:52.780 Ben, uh, Ben Greenfield's got some good ones there.

00:10:55.400 Good stuff.

00:10:56.280 You probably hold onto them better because you actually did the interview, but I mean,

00:11:00.140 I have a hard time even remembering all, I mean, there's how many, how many episodes

00:11:04.040 have you done?

00:11:05.240 Oh, 200 plus episodes.

00:11:07.280 Yeah.

00:11:07.700 That's a lot of things to try to remember to figure out.

00:11:10.220 How do I remember all of that stuff?

00:11:11.760 Yeah.

00:11:11.880 Chad Prather.

00:11:12.580 That was, that was really good.

00:11:14.260 I enjoyed that.

00:11:14.920 There's, they're all good.

00:11:16.020 They're all good.

00:11:16.520 They're all right.

00:11:17.260 Yeah.

00:11:17.580 All right.

00:11:18.020 All right.

00:11:18.580 Tom Kingwell from South Africa, Africa.

00:11:24.700 Yes.

00:11:25.800 Which person in history embodied masculinity and being a man to the greatest degree?

00:11:30.800 And what makes you say that?

00:11:32.880 Ooh, there's a lot here.

00:11:34.200 Uh, the, the guy that comes off right off the top of my mind is, uh, Theodore Roosevelt.

00:11:39.640 I mean, born and, and, and spent much of his childhood with a, with a, uh, medical condition.

00:11:46.220 His father didn't pull any punches and didn't take it easy on him and said, Hey, we're going

00:11:51.880 to, I can't remember if it was asthma or some other respiratory illness that he was dealing

00:11:55.480 with.

00:11:55.740 But his father said, here's how you overcome that.

00:11:57.760 You work.

00:11:58.220 So he went to work and he got strong and he started boxing and then he was with the rough

00:12:03.840 riders.

00:12:04.600 And ultimately we know it became, went on to become the president and his conservation,

00:12:09.580 conservation efforts.

00:12:10.780 I mean, there's just so much there.

00:12:12.240 So if you want a man throughout history who embodies what it is we're talking about, go

00:12:15.940 read a, uh, Theodore Roosevelt, uh, biography.

00:12:19.560 And you're going to learn really quickly why this is somebody I really admire and respect

00:12:23.020 and look up to as a historical figure.

00:12:24.960 I also, also look at guys.

00:12:26.960 I, I haven't for a while, but I was really on a early American history kick for a while

00:12:31.420 there.

00:12:32.120 And George Washington is a fascinating, fascinating individual.

00:12:36.180 Um, and I'm, I'm always impressed by him with his leadership abilities and his clarity

00:12:41.040 and his focus, uh, of course human.

00:12:43.440 And so a lot of the biographies that I've read on him, uh, show and share his human side

00:12:48.440 and human element.

00:12:49.080 We do have to be very careful of idolizing these historical figures because they were human,

00:12:54.000 right?

00:12:54.260 And they messed up and they made bad choices.

00:12:56.580 And ultimately I think we remember history, like history remembers them a little more favorably

00:13:03.120 than maybe we would have had we been there because they become legends in a way.

00:13:07.260 Like I think of somebody like, um, Julius Caesar, for example, I think generally speaking, people

00:13:13.420 think, oh, this guy is incredible and he's amazing.

00:13:15.620 And, and history has remembered him kindly, but he overthrew the Roman empire or I should

00:13:22.560 say Roman Republic, which if that would have taken place now, he, he would have been the

00:13:28.400 villain of all villains.

00:13:29.320 Right.

00:13:29.740 But we, we, we make these things more dramatic and glamorize them maybe more than they were.

00:13:35.500 So we had to take it with a grain of salt, but those are two historical figures that really

00:13:38.480 stand out to me.

00:13:39.280 The one that crossed my mind was, is just George Washington.

00:13:43.880 I mean, he was, he was the first and the last president to never seek that office.

00:13:48.280 Yeah.

00:13:48.680 Yeah.

00:13:49.060 He was humble enough.

00:13:50.100 He didn't want it.

00:13:51.320 He had, he believed in his purpose and, and I love the fact that he had faults, you know,

00:13:57.800 and, and he was, I mean, George was, George was something else, man.

00:14:02.160 I mean, come on.

00:14:02.920 I mean, snuck around across the river on Christmas Eve and slit some throats.

00:14:07.560 It's like, I mean, he played dirty.

00:14:09.080 Yeah.

00:14:09.440 You know what I mean?

00:14:10.300 Yeah.

00:14:10.580 So, uh, but I, I love the fact that, that he, his, he had a sense of humility and he

00:14:17.480 had a sense of calling that was just amazing to me.

00:14:21.320 Absolutely.

00:14:21.620 And if you guys are ever in, I, I, one of my favorite books on George Washington is called

00:14:25.980 the real George Washington by, uh, Andrew Al, uh, Allison.

00:14:30.200 I think it is really, really good book and it, and it's insightful and it's just, um,

00:14:36.100 it's full of a lot of data from multiple sources.

00:14:40.280 And so you, you don't get this typical author, like trying to over glamorize them.

00:14:45.860 Right.

00:14:46.120 But also not breaking them down and, you know what I mean?

00:14:50.020 And demonize just a real look at it, really fair look at, at George Washington, who he

00:14:54.520 was as a man.

00:14:55.360 So yeah, I love it.

00:14:56.320 Cool, man.

00:14:56.760 All right.

00:14:58.120 Jordan Stanley, do you have a vision and, or a current working on a way outside of Facebook

00:15:03.980 to better connect order of men guys with each other other than in, uh, with each other in

00:15:08.920 their areas?

00:15:09.600 Obviously iron council connects us digitally, but I want to better connect and reach to

00:15:14.060 those that haven't taken the plunge, but are definitely on the journey of sovereignty.

00:15:18.220 I'm struggling with how.

00:15:19.640 Well, yeah, I've really thought for years now that regional chapters and, and, and local

00:15:25.460 chapters would be very, very valuable.

00:15:27.660 Uh, there's just so much logistics to it.

00:15:29.640 And then there's liability as well.

00:15:31.080 And the other concern I have is how do you maintain the standard?

00:15:33.740 Like how do you maintain the guys or, or ensure that the guys in Seattle are doing the same

00:15:37.980 thing as the guys in Florida, or at least running their organizations the same way.

00:15:42.000 So I almost look at this as a franchise model, but making sure there's some semblance of a,

00:15:46.180 a system across the board that if you go to and meet as a visitor, the guys in Florida,

00:15:52.640 you're going to get the same level and type of experience that you would with the guys

00:15:56.380 in Montana or Australia or wherever it happens to be.

00:16:00.340 So I still think that's one of the evolutions that we will include that will really take it

00:16:06.000 offline.

00:16:06.620 I've actually considered at points closing down the Facebook group altogether because it's

00:16:12.320 just, it's not that I don't want to say I want to close it because it's hard to

00:16:15.860 manage.

00:16:16.780 It's just, it's very, very difficult to keep it on track.

00:16:22.500 There is so, there are so many men, I shouldn't even say men, little boys out there who just

00:16:28.400 want to bitch and moan and complain.

00:16:30.220 And then if it's not that, then they just want to be assholes.

00:16:33.160 And it's really, really disheartening.

00:16:35.800 And I'm really working closely with our moderator team to ensure that we can maintain the course

00:16:40.720 and the direction of that.

00:16:41.560 That's why I really value the iron council because Jordan and everybody else in there

00:16:46.060 is they're paying to be there, which means that they're invested in themselves, which

00:16:49.620 means that the caliber of conversations and men that are in there is, is inevitably going

00:16:54.100 to go up.

00:16:54.640 Generally, I'm not saying there aren't caliber men in the Facebook group.

00:16:57.760 I'm saying generally and overall, the caliber is increased.

00:17:01.080 Uh, so there you go.

00:17:02.820 Those, that's some of my thoughts.

00:17:03.960 All right.

00:17:06.120 There you go.

00:17:07.060 Nolan Connell, have you researched president Lincoln as a leader?

00:17:11.000 Kind of question.

00:17:11.740 We got the president's session here.

00:17:13.960 Yeah.

00:17:13.980 I didn't even think about that.

00:17:15.660 Yeah.

00:17:15.920 Have you president, uh, have you researched president Lincoln as a leader?

00:17:18.260 If so, what did you learn from him and what do you see things that we could learn from

00:17:22.760 him and put into our daily lives as we grow to become better leaders ourselves?

00:17:26.800 You know, I haven't really researched Lincoln as a leader.

00:17:29.600 The only book I really read on him was, uh, what's the guy's name?

00:17:35.320 Bill, uh, the killing series.

00:17:37.460 What's his name?

00:17:38.760 I can't think of his name.

00:17:40.260 The Patriots and Pinheads guy.

00:17:41.900 What's that guy's name?

00:17:42.700 You know what I'm talking about?

00:17:43.740 No, I don't.

00:17:44.660 The guy who wrote killing Lincoln and killing Kennedy and no, I'm no, I'm really bad at

00:17:50.780 authors, actors, names in general.

00:17:53.460 I'm drawing a blank.

00:17:54.220 Anyways, we'll pull it up here in a minute.

00:17:55.540 But the only book I've read on Lincoln is that killing Lincoln.

00:17:58.800 And it was a really insightful look into his life and who he was, but it really didn't

00:18:05.820 study it as a leader, more just who he was, what happened throughout his life, how he ultimately

00:18:10.560 died.

00:18:12.020 Um, so I can't give you a very clear answer on that.

00:18:15.780 Although he is obviously somebody who has led effectively in some very difficult times.

00:18:21.020 Bill O'Reilly.

00:18:22.040 Is that his name?

00:18:22.540 Bill O'Reilly.

00:18:23.700 Yeah.

00:18:24.400 Yep.

00:18:24.640 Bill O'Reilly.

00:18:26.300 There you go.

00:18:27.080 All right, Aaron Getz, are you concerned about bad actors infiltrating the IC as an attempt

00:18:33.800 to falsely smear the order of man movement?

00:18:36.280 As the order of man movement grows, it could become a bigger target for whacktivists who

00:18:42.320 are looking to tarnish the order of man for no other reason than their misguided attitude

00:18:47.100 towards masculinity.

00:18:48.380 Perhaps this ties into your vision of vetting new members in the IC as it grows.

00:18:52.280 Uh, I haven't been too concerned about that because we can weed those individuals out

00:18:57.680 fairly quickly and fairly easy.

00:18:59.640 Um, although as we continue to grow, I'm sure we'll experience more and more of that.

00:19:03.140 So it's just something we need to maintain some vigilance about.

00:19:05.880 Uh, I do see in a, in a very, in a not too distant future, capping the iron council and just

00:19:12.760 opening it up once or twice a year and that's it.

00:19:16.740 Uh, and then really vetting who comes into the iron council because I, you're only as

00:19:20.640 strong as your weakest link.

00:19:21.680 And I want to continue to improve the caliber of men in there and shore up everybody's experience.

00:19:26.200 Uh, and this is also part of the reason, again, what I said about the Facebook group,

00:19:29.500 you know, it's very easy for people to come in who really aren't interested in being

00:19:33.280 a better man that are just interested in being an a-hole and, and throwing a wrench in the

00:19:37.760 system of what we've created.

00:19:38.820 And I, I'm not interested in doing that.

00:19:40.780 So it's unfortunate because we have all these tools, but because we have these tools, access

00:19:45.560 to these types of individuals is, is greater.

00:19:49.000 And it's unfortunate.

00:19:49.800 We just need to remain vigilant.

00:19:51.360 Uh, we need to report these types of things as they come up so we can handle them.

00:19:55.100 My, me and my team handle them correctly and just keep driving on.

00:19:58.400 And, you know, I've, I've gotten these types of things in the past and I block and report

00:20:02.740 and delete and do all these things.

00:20:03.880 And I'll keep doing that as we continue to grow, but I'm sure we'll experience more and

00:20:07.440 more of it, but such as the way of creating a movement that's meaningful in life.

00:20:11.360 So it is what it is.

00:20:13.520 Well, and I think, I mean, I think the iron council is such an intimate setting that this

00:20:18.740 would be really hard to infiltrate.

00:20:21.760 You know, if I had a guy on echo back in the day that was not there for the right purpose,

00:20:27.740 multiple things would happen.

00:20:30.360 One, he wouldn't put in the work to become a better man.

00:20:33.440 He'd be floating along.

00:20:35.260 His engagement would be not accurate.

00:20:38.680 He would lack authenticity.

00:20:39.940 Like we would immediately call him out and go, what's your deal?

00:20:44.080 Right.

00:20:44.440 And he wouldn't be able to hang in.

00:20:45.940 He'd probably leave because it was too much work to try to infiltrate.

00:20:49.500 So, yeah.

00:20:50.100 And, and he wouldn't be able to participate because, because he was acting like that.

00:20:55.920 So, yeah.

00:20:57.160 Yeah.

00:20:57.740 I think that'd be difficult to weed themselves out by default.

00:21:01.060 Yeah.

00:21:01.560 Which is, yeah.

00:21:03.000 And that's the point, right?

00:21:04.420 Is like, we want men who, whether it's men who just aren't willing to do what they need

00:21:09.620 to do or men who are there for different purposes, you know, not, not noble intentions.

00:21:15.580 I think all that stuff takes care of itself through the systems that we have, like you said,

00:21:19.500 inside the iron council.

00:21:21.040 Yeah.

00:21:21.520 So, Roger Taylor, hey, Ryan and Kip, what are your thoughts about Jack Donovan's In the

00:21:27.440 Way of Men described the four masculine virtues, strength, courage, mastery, and honor?

00:21:35.600 Thanks, Roger.

00:21:36.920 Yeah.

00:21:37.180 If you haven't listened to my podcast with Jack Donovan, go back and listen to that.

00:21:41.080 Very, very powerful conversation between him and I.

00:21:45.040 And we talk about his tactical virtues.

00:21:47.600 I think is what he calls them, the tactical virtues.

00:21:49.460 Yeah.

00:21:49.620 And I wholeheartedly agree.

00:21:51.780 Now, I don't know if those are the only virtues, but I definitely think, what is it?

00:21:55.480 Strength, honor, mastery, and courage.

00:21:57.560 Are those the four tactical virtues?

00:21:59.300 Yeah.

00:21:59.460 Yeah.

00:21:59.760 I think those are inherently masculine.

00:22:02.280 And it's funny because every time you say that, somebody's like, well, women can do that

00:22:05.120 too.

00:22:05.460 Yes.

00:22:06.320 Yes.

00:22:06.720 And men can be empathetic and kind, which is something we would generally consider a feminine

00:22:11.040 characteristic.

00:22:12.100 So I'm not saying that women aren't capable of displaying courage or mastery or bravery or

00:22:16.220 strength or any of these things.

00:22:17.320 I'm just saying they're generally and inherently masculine.

00:22:20.600 So I subscribe to the tactical virtues and try to live my life in accordance with them.

00:22:28.700 There you go.

00:22:29.900 Brandon Stoll, Ryan, since starting the order of man and Kip, since becoming involved, what

00:22:35.200 has been your favorite moment, activity, memory, and et cetera, that you've been involved

00:22:39.880 in?

00:22:40.560 Oh, that's easy.

00:22:41.160 For me, it's the first legacy.

00:22:43.080 The first legacy was so powerful for me.

00:22:46.080 And the legacy, for those of you who don't know, is an event.

00:22:49.340 It's a two and a half day event, actually three and a half days, I think.

00:22:52.900 Yeah.

00:22:53.080 Three and a half day event.

00:22:54.160 We were running them in Southern Utah when I lived out there and all of it was designed

00:22:58.360 to forge a tighter bond and make fathers more capable and their boys more capable.

00:23:03.780 So we pushed them physically, mentally, emotionally, pushed them in all ways, kept them up late,

00:23:08.920 asked them to do things they've never done before, asked them to have some difficult

00:23:11.960 conversations with each other.

00:23:13.220 They walked away with a code of conduct.

00:23:15.220 I'm looking at my code of conduct I created with my boys there at that event.

00:23:18.960 It was one of the most impactful and memorable experiences that I've had in the past, well,

00:23:24.520 over four years now.

00:23:25.780 So the events, there's nothing like the events that we put together.

00:23:29.380 I love them.

00:23:30.020 I really do.

00:23:31.600 Yeah.

00:23:31.720 You know, this is tough.

00:23:33.860 I think it's like your question about your favorite interview, right?

00:23:37.120 Like I have all these kind of favorite moments for me, probably just my time being a battle

00:23:43.560 team leader with Echo and some of the conversations that we had as was part of our team calls and

00:23:49.020 the conversation, the sharing, the advice, the coaching, the just the powerful conversations

00:23:56.140 on that team have been what some of my favorite moments, I would say participating in legacy

00:24:02.400 last year was was really powerful, as well as the uprisings and guys at the Nashville meetup

00:24:10.960 have been insightful.

00:24:11.960 And, and even just guys reaching out and expressing their appreciation for, um, what the podcast

00:24:19.880 has done for them and what the iron council has done and, and getting that feedback from

00:24:24.920 them about, um, you know, how this movement has impacted them.

00:24:30.080 Right.

00:24:30.280 Um, maybe it's just me needing my ego stroked a little bit, but when that happens, it just

00:24:34.800 kind of fires me up and I go, damn, you know what?

00:24:36.600 This is, it rejuvenates me and reminds me how, how impactful, um, this is and, and how

00:24:44.960 much it's really needed.

00:24:46.100 Sometimes I have a tendency to think that like, like, what are, what are we doing?

00:24:49.340 We're just talking in circles and, and it, and it's not, I don't know.

00:24:53.420 You know what I'm saying?

00:24:53.980 Like sometimes I, I downplay the importance of what we're doing and then, and then someone

00:24:58.260 reaches out and then all of a sudden I get rejuvenated and I think, oh yeah, this is needed.

00:25:02.260 So, yeah.

00:25:02.820 And I don't think it's ego.

00:25:03.920 I think it would be easy to think that, but I, but I also, I would be very cautious to

00:25:10.820 dismiss it as ego.

00:25:12.480 It's okay to be motivated by your good work.

00:25:15.520 It's okay to be motivated by recognition that other people see what you're doing and that

00:25:19.740 it's improving and helping their lives.

00:25:21.500 We, we, we live in a really interesting time in that you're supposed to be overly or overly

00:25:28.920 humble.

00:25:29.340 And I think we've, a lot of us have lost the meaning of humility that we can't be excited

00:25:33.820 for our victories and we can't be excited for, uh, a praise or acknowledgement or recognition.

00:25:39.020 I think you should.

00:25:40.000 And I think you should be able to say, thank you.

00:25:41.940 I think it should put a smile on your face.

00:25:44.300 I think it's great as if it acts as fuel to help you continue to do things.

00:25:48.580 So there's, there's humility.

00:25:50.020 And then there's, this is not appreciation.

00:25:54.240 Right.

00:25:54.360 And that, and then that's different.

00:25:55.580 They're, they're different things.

00:25:57.760 All right.

00:25:58.360 Keep them coming then guys.

00:25:59.720 Absolutely.

00:26:00.820 Well, you got to think what your motive is too, right?

00:26:02.820 Is it just to prop yourself up or is it, Oh, that was nice to hear.

00:26:06.000 Now I can keep going and keep doing what I'm, what I'm doing.

00:26:08.380 Copy that.

00:26:11.900 All right.

00:26:12.180 Nicholas Bean, what are some values you would, you would adopt from another culture country

00:26:17.820 to further enhance your understanding of what it means to be a man?

00:26:21.740 It's kind of interesting question, Nicholas.

00:26:23.560 It is.

00:26:23.800 And I don't know if there's a specific culture where I would think that, Oh, I've got to adopt

00:26:29.220 this into it.

00:26:30.820 Um, but there's, there's values, right?

00:26:32.660 That I, that I espouse, whether it's honor or, uh, uh, uh,

00:26:39.100 hard work, dedication, sacrifice.

00:26:42.380 Um, I, I really liked the idea of mastery.

00:26:44.940 That's something that's been on my mind, uh, is that be, be masterful at everything you

00:26:49.860 do from this podcast to a message I might post on, on Facebook to a conversation that

00:26:55.860 I might have to the way that we are building out our barn and really trying to be a master

00:27:01.220 craftsman in all that I do and taking pride in the way the small things look.

00:27:05.500 So the big things work much better and people see those things.

00:27:09.720 So I'm not sure there's a culture necessarily, although, uh, the samurai culture is something

00:27:15.260 I'm interested in, in like Bushido that I'm studying and looking into.

00:27:19.560 Uh, those have been fascinating to me.

00:27:21.560 Um, I always look into warrior culture, even if it's here in the States and, and, and, and

00:27:28.100 look at the level of commitment and sacrifice and courage that these men and women display.

00:27:33.900 Those are things I'm interested in.

00:27:35.340 So I'm not sure if there's one culture where I think I've got to have what that one culture

00:27:39.760 has.

00:27:40.640 No, I just try to create those values that are important to me and implement it the best

00:27:45.640 I can in my own life.

00:27:47.860 You know what I love about your response, Ryan is I think all of those, and correct me

00:27:53.320 if I'm wrong, um, maybe I'm suggesting this, but kind of a lot of those there's, there's

00:28:00.080 definition around what it is to be a man.

00:28:04.180 Like that's what I love about a lot of warrior codes and, uh, like the ways of the samurai and,

00:28:11.440 you know, other cultures is there's, there's clear path.

00:28:14.460 I think other cultures have done an amazing job in creating a clear path of what it means

00:28:19.060 to be a warrior or what it means to be a man.

00:28:22.060 And, and those kinds of things draw me in a lot.

00:28:25.340 I was having a conversation with my cousin just this past weekend about this very subject

00:28:29.040 is, you know, do our young boys, do my boys know what it is to be a man?

00:28:35.540 And, and by default, I think we could all be in agreement that culture, our culture, American

00:28:40.360 Western culture does not clearly identify that.

00:28:42.940 If anything, it's, oh, it's whatever you want, Timmy, you know, it's not, and it's

00:28:47.840 not that.

00:28:49.060 Yeah.

00:28:49.400 And so, so when I hear about those cultures, those codes of conduct and, and really, you

00:28:54.620 know, kind of even what you're saying that you created with your, with your, uh, boys

00:28:59.460 at the legacy event, you know, having your own code of conduct is like, man, that that's

00:29:03.580 the definition of what it means to be a Michler.

00:29:05.540 That's what, that's the definition of being a man.

00:29:07.740 And, and I love those frameworks for us to like work into.

00:29:12.180 Right.

00:29:12.840 What's interesting is that I get a lot of call, uh, conversations and, and dissent with

00:29:18.060 people saying, well, being a man is being whatever the hell you want to be.

00:29:20.780 Well, that's not true throughout all of history, throughout most of cultures and most of society.

00:29:27.900 If you were to look at a cross-cultural reference of what it means to be a man, it's strikingly

00:29:35.080 similar throughout all of time and all of history and all of cultures, even cultures that weren't

00:29:39.900 introduced to Western culture, for example, that are almost near isolation, still adhere

00:29:46.960 to some similar values regarding masculinity.

00:29:50.740 And guess what those are?

00:29:51.720 Protect, provide, preside.

00:29:53.820 This is not, this is not guesswork.

00:29:56.140 Being a man, isn't being whatever you think you want to be.

00:29:59.420 No, that's not what that means.

00:30:01.060 That might mean something else, but it doesn't mean you're a man.

00:30:03.660 If you want a great book on, on the subject, and it's a little bit difficult to get through,

00:30:08.140 but it is a really, really good book.

00:30:09.840 It's called manhood in the making.

00:30:11.820 The subtitle is cultural concepts of masculinity.

00:30:15.620 What was it?

00:30:16.080 Cultural.

00:30:16.500 Yeah.

00:30:16.980 Cultural concepts of masculinity.

00:30:18.600 It's by David Gilmore.

00:30:19.740 It's a really, really fascinating book at, um, how cultures throughout all of history have

00:30:25.560 viewed masculinity.

00:30:26.240 And it's very, very similar across all cultures, which means that there's something outside

00:30:31.640 of this, this myth of societal, uh, construction and that it's actually deeper than that, more

00:30:39.240 biological than that.

00:30:41.100 Very cool.

00:30:41.980 All right.

00:30:43.300 We're jumping into Facebook here.

00:30:44.760 All righty.

00:30:45.200 Uh, so George Hoyer, how does coping with the loss of two of your most important mentors

00:30:50.760 make you a better and more sovereign man?

00:30:53.240 I'm asking because I lost both my maternal grandparents in the past six months.

00:30:57.500 My grandfather died late January and my grandmother passed away early in June.

00:31:02.420 They were my elders, my mentors, and my best friends beside my parents.

00:31:06.720 There, there wasn't a thing I couldn't tell them.

00:31:09.960 And now there's that void that they're no longer with us.

00:31:13.500 Thank you for your time.

00:31:15.060 Much appreciated.

00:31:16.580 Well, first I want to say, I'm sorry for your loss.

00:31:18.360 I know that can be a very difficult thing, especially if people are close to you.

00:31:21.720 I realize that's challenging and hard and I've gone through that and experienced that.

00:31:25.620 And it's definitely a difficult thing to do now at the risk of sounding cold hearted.

00:31:31.520 I want to share the truth about this.

00:31:34.820 That is the point.

00:31:37.200 That is the point.

00:31:38.460 If you are to be mentored by somebody for the, for your entire life forever,

00:31:43.420 you've missed the point of mentorship.

00:31:46.720 And I know this is coming across cold because we're talking about your family and your grandparents,

00:31:50.880 you can love them and everything else.

00:31:51.940 And I'm not trying to dismiss this, but what I'm saying is that there's going to be people

00:31:56.060 who come into your life and then they're going to leave.

00:31:58.600 They're going to die.

00:31:59.560 You're going to grow outgrow their, their coaching.

00:32:02.380 You're going to move.

00:32:03.200 They're going to move priorities change.

00:32:05.000 And that's the point.

00:32:06.640 How far can you progress if you've slipped into some level of comfort and maybe you became

00:32:14.640 so comfortable with sharing everything with your grandparents that it actually hindered your

00:32:20.420 ability to grow further than what they could have offered you.

00:32:23.860 And now you have to deal with not only the, the, the emotional pain of losing people you

00:32:31.860 love.

00:32:32.920 Now you've got this void.

00:32:35.020 That's great because what that does is that represents an opportunity for you to grow and

00:32:40.640 expand and reach out of your current comfort zone to find a new mentor who may fill a void

00:32:47.060 that you didn't even recognize was there because you were in this level of comfort and potentially

00:32:51.860 even complacency.

00:32:53.460 So it is difficult to lose people.

00:32:55.820 It's difficult when people come into your life and they leave for whatever reason.

00:32:59.360 It's difficult when you change things, whether it's a new career or you leave old friends,

00:33:03.620 friends behind, or you move to a new place like we've done over the past six to eight weeks.

00:33:08.720 Those are difficult things.

00:33:10.200 But in those moments you have opportunity for growth.

00:33:13.780 You get to see where you're weak.

00:33:15.660 You get to see gaps that you didn't previously recognize because you might've been using somebody

00:33:20.060 else as a crutch.

00:33:21.300 So although I recognize how difficult it must be, I also am optimistic for you and you should

00:33:28.340 be optimistic too.

00:33:29.400 And knowing that there's a gap now, which means that you recognize it because you said there's

00:33:34.780 a void.

00:33:35.280 You recognize the gap.

00:33:36.600 Now you get to go out and fill it in a way that maybe you didn't get to before.

00:33:41.600 So this is an opportunity.

00:33:43.860 It's a cycle life.

00:33:45.160 It doesn't make it easier because you're talking about losing your loved ones, but it's natural.

00:33:49.560 It's inevitable.

00:33:50.660 And in many ways it's good because now you get to grow and advance and down the road,

00:33:56.800 maybe even now you start turning around and helping those who are coming up behind you.

00:34:00.680 Yeah.

00:34:01.380 And you honor them by growing beyond them, right?

00:34:05.360 By taking this void and being exactly what they intend you to be without them mentoring

00:34:10.960 you.

00:34:11.460 Right.

00:34:11.680 That's how you honor them.

00:34:12.640 Absolutely.

00:34:13.560 Absolutely.

00:34:16.260 Josh Harris, what is the lesson that has taken you the longest to learn?

00:34:22.540 Patience.

00:34:24.100 Is that your number one thing?

00:34:25.300 That's always my number one thing.

00:34:27.260 It's like, I want it now.

00:34:29.080 I want the biggest, the best.

00:34:31.280 I want it now.

00:34:31.980 I want the results.

00:34:32.820 I don't want to go through the journey.

00:34:34.960 People always say, in fact, that's one of my pet peeves.

00:34:37.400 When people say the destination is the journey.

00:34:39.600 No, the destination is the destination.

00:34:41.720 And I need to get there as soon as I possibly can.

00:34:44.780 It's, it's a weird thing for me to say.

00:34:46.980 And it's really hard for me to wrap my head around.

00:34:48.960 It's like, just enjoy the journey.

00:34:50.760 I will enjoy getting there because that's what I'm trying to do.

00:34:54.040 And then I'll look back and think, okay, well, that was fun, but I'm here now.

00:34:58.480 So patience is always, always the hard one for me, you know, and it's something I'm actively

00:35:04.020 working on.

00:35:04.800 It's something that I'm striving to be better at.

00:35:07.380 I try to give myself margin.

00:35:08.780 I try to give myself enough time.

00:35:10.700 I mean, this even filters down little things like doing a project.

00:35:14.060 I built this desk for, uh, my office for podcasting and I used the old stable door from the barn

00:35:20.900 and refurbished it, built this cool iron frame out of like steel gas pipe.

00:35:27.740 It looks really good, but it was hard even just to let the stain just sit on the thing

00:35:33.100 for 24 hours.

00:35:34.040 I'm like, no, I want to do it now.

00:35:35.820 And it filters into everything of my life.

00:35:38.360 It's just something I need to be very, very aware of.

00:35:40.100 So patience is the answer.

00:35:42.960 That's funny.

00:35:44.060 I would say mine is, um, and it's funny before I say this, it's unique to certain relationships,

00:35:52.200 but mine is like really clear communication with my spouse.

00:35:56.640 That has always been my toughest.

00:35:58.760 Like if I'm upset and I'm bothered by something, my default innate behavior is to not communicate

00:36:08.740 it, get pissed off, walk around the house, all grumpy.

00:36:12.440 You know what I mean?

00:36:13.900 And, and have this, I don't know, like covert contract where I haven't clearly communicated

00:36:19.940 in regards to anything, not establishing a boundary of some sort, make them pay without

00:36:25.280 ever communicating.

00:36:26.020 Like that is my default behavior.

00:36:29.400 And it is annoying.

00:36:31.000 And ask my wife, she can't stand it.

00:36:33.260 And so it's, it's tough, you know, and, and, and it's funny, I'll get on a kick for a while

00:36:37.780 and then, and I can let it slip.

00:36:40.220 And all of a sudden I'm, I'm kind of grumpy and it's just not, it's man, it is not healthy.

00:36:46.540 Um, with that said though, just for you guys that might struggle with the same kind of thing,

00:36:51.320 it's like, I told my wife, um, just, it was a couple of weeks ago.

00:36:54.140 I'm like, Hey honey, I've, I've done a really poor job in my communication and whatnot.

00:36:58.340 Just so you know, I'm going to be really open with you in the near future.

00:37:05.080 And, and my ask of you is to not, I will do my best to communicate effectively and exactly

00:37:12.240 what's bothering me and the bothering.

00:37:14.500 And let's be really clear.

00:37:15.460 This isn't like, Hey honey, I'm pissed off because you didn't do X, X, X.

00:37:19.120 That's not the communication.

00:37:20.220 The communication is really, for most things that really bother you, it's actually much

00:37:24.660 deeper than the dishes, right?

00:37:26.160 Or the toilet paper roll, right?

00:37:27.520 Those, those are just like the triggers.

00:37:29.660 And so the communication is really, Hey, this happened and it made me feel this way.

00:37:35.460 Kind of triggered me a little bit.

00:37:37.080 Just want to let you know.

00:37:39.200 That's it.

00:37:40.300 Just me being clear in my communication, just letting her know where I'm at.

00:37:44.620 Um, and, and it's amazing how just that communication, not her changing,

00:37:50.680 not her doing anything different, just the communication of what's going on really opens

00:37:56.580 things up for me and makes me feel a hundred percent better.

00:37:59.240 So I don't know that that's my, that's my Achilles heel.

00:38:02.720 It's so funny.

00:38:03.660 The things that we really waiting for me to get, get over this shit.

00:38:07.540 So it's funny to me, the things that we, that we find difficult, that is not a difficulty

00:38:13.480 of mine.

00:38:13.960 If something's bothering me, everybody's going to know exactly what's bothering me because

00:38:17.880 I want her to know.

00:38:18.880 I don't want to, I don't want, I don't want there to be any guesswork about what's

00:38:22.200 pissing me off.

00:38:22.920 Here's what's pissing me off.

00:38:24.060 Fix it.

00:38:25.220 Yeah.

00:38:25.740 And my wife is a lot more, more like you in that if she's mad, she takes it all.

00:38:31.640 And I'm like, just tell me what's wrong and then I'll fix it.

00:38:33.260 Well, you shouldn't know.

00:38:33.940 You shouldn't just know what's wrong.

00:38:35.400 It's like, Oh my God.

00:38:36.360 Oh my goodness.

00:38:37.000 Here we go.

00:38:37.820 So anyways, it's just funny.

00:38:39.600 It is interesting.

00:38:40.640 We're all different at and what's at the root of it, right?

00:38:45.760 It's like how you're raised and how you, what, what, what example you saw between your mom

00:38:51.000 and dad and how they communicated and how did they address things and, and how it was supported.

00:38:55.900 You know, if, if you, if you were, if you shared your feelings and they were always mocked, well, of course, then you're going to be less likely to share your feelings, you know?

00:39:06.260 So, so it really comes down to a lot of it, I think has to do with just our personalities, innate personalities, but also how those behaviors were supported from your family and your friends from the time you were little.

00:39:19.480 Yeah.

00:39:20.120 It was really interesting.

00:39:21.280 Like I don't get your patience thing at all.

00:39:23.900 You're not, you're, cause you're patient.

00:39:27.000 Well, I wouldn't say I'm patient, but it's not like, you know, it's not like I'm getting frustrated staring at the desk cause the stains not dry yet.

00:39:33.760 Oh yeah.

00:39:34.520 Yeah.

00:39:35.400 Isn't that funny?

00:39:36.340 It's crazy.

00:39:36.920 It is funny.

00:39:37.520 Yeah.

00:39:37.700 But in the same breath, like you could see where that has benefited you.

00:39:42.220 Right.

00:39:42.660 And both, both benefit and hasn't.

00:39:45.000 Right.

00:39:45.940 Yeah.

00:39:46.460 Yeah.

00:39:47.440 Yeah.

00:39:47.780 Yep.

00:39:48.840 All right.

00:39:49.280 Uh, Jeremy Madrill, how, how not have.

00:39:53.900 The start of a start of a loss here.

00:39:56.940 Well, no, the, I'm trying to reword it.

00:40:02.140 Um, okay.

00:40:05.420 How, uh, how have you, how has anxiety?

00:40:08.560 Oh man.

00:40:10.220 How do you not have anxiety when dealing with your spouse's anxiety, staying calm and collected

00:40:16.700 to serve her in that time?

00:40:18.200 Um, you focus on the result.

00:40:24.260 What do you want?

00:40:25.860 You don't want her to be anxious.

00:40:27.260 You want her to do something.

00:40:28.440 You want to win.

00:40:29.660 You want to progress the family.

00:40:31.140 Like there's something that you want, right?

00:40:32.920 And I think it's got to be pure in your motives.

00:40:35.500 It's got to serve her.

00:40:36.320 It's got to serve you and also your family as a whole.

00:40:39.400 So fixate on what you want.

00:40:40.920 Now ask yourself, is the way that I'm behaving right now, helping me accomplish this goal

00:40:45.000 is me losing my cool or having anxiety or being all stressed out because she is moving

00:40:51.420 us in the right direction.

00:40:52.700 The answer is likely no.

00:40:54.580 Otherwise you wouldn't be asking the question, you know, that this is hindering performance.

00:41:00.140 So I think you might in a way be losing sight of what you're trying to accomplish and then

00:41:06.880 implementing tools, whether it's communication or keeping your emotions in check, using those

00:41:13.980 tools to produce the effective outcome.

00:41:16.640 It's hard to do in the moment because we lose our cool.

00:41:19.640 I lose my patience.

00:41:20.620 I want it done now, so I tend to get snippy occasionally with other people if things are

00:41:25.860 taking too long, but I constantly, constantly am reminding myself, is this helping complete

00:41:32.520 the task most effectively?

00:41:34.420 The answer is no.

00:41:35.100 And what's interesting and ironic about that in my situation is that if patience is an issue

00:41:40.980 and I lose my cool with everybody, I actually produce the exact opposite of what I'm trying

00:41:46.020 to do, which is it takes longer and it's less effective when I behave like that.

00:41:51.100 So are you using the effective tool or using the right tool in the right situation?

00:41:55.080 If the answer is no, make corrections and use the right tool for the right outcome.

00:42:00.720 Cool.

00:42:01.480 It's a, it's a decision by the way, unless you're dealing with some sort of mental, uh, or chemical

00:42:07.240 imbalance or mental illness.

00:42:08.860 It's a decision that I'm going to, I'm not going to be patient.

00:42:13.960 It's a decision to be patient.

00:42:15.860 It's a decision to have anxiety.

00:42:17.840 It's a decision not to address that anxiety correctly.

00:42:22.040 These are all choices that you can make in your life.

00:42:25.120 So give yourself some space and margin, start thinking more about it and then make the right

00:42:30.660 decisions in your life.

00:42:32.100 Don't subject yourself to, it's just the way that I am.

00:42:36.260 I did.

00:42:36.560 There's nothing I can do about it.

00:42:37.680 Man, I hate that phrase so much.

00:42:39.980 Be different because you're a human being.

00:42:42.020 And if the way you're acting right now is not producing desired results, be different.

00:42:47.020 Yeah.

00:42:49.520 Love it.

00:42:51.120 Warren Taylor, do you ever miss being downrange?

00:42:55.200 I've been back for two years and still find myself missing the simplicity of life in combat,

00:43:00.600 in the combat zone.

00:43:02.180 No, I don't, I don't miss it.

00:43:04.180 I really don't.

00:43:04.840 I was appreciative of my service.

00:43:08.540 I feel like I was a good soldier, maybe not the best soldier that I could have been.

00:43:13.180 And there's moments that I think, oh, I should have exerted myself more, pushed a little harder.

00:43:17.080 But I don't miss it.

00:43:21.080 Again, I say it like this.

00:43:22.760 I was proud of my service, but ultimately it was very difficult for me to do things that I didn't quite,

00:43:28.600 or I couldn't quite wrap my head around how this played out in the grand scheme of things,

00:43:34.100 or felt like this was the right thing to do.

00:43:37.520 And then ultimately you just have to follow orders.

00:43:39.400 I think it's the same reason I didn't make a great employee and why I'm a much better business owner than I ever was an employee.

00:43:48.280 Because I don't want to do things other people do.

00:43:50.220 I'm actually okay with reinventing the wheel.

00:43:52.940 I would rather reinvent the wheel if that meant I had full control over it than to do it some other way that I didn't like.

00:43:59.320 And maybe that's an entrepreneurial thing or just an independence thing.

00:44:04.800 It's very, very difficult to be led by other people that I don't think were worthy of leadership.

00:44:10.280 It's very, very difficult for me to follow through on orders that I didn't necessarily agree with.

00:44:15.420 And that made me probably less effective as a soldier, but certainly liberating outside of being a soldier.

00:44:22.120 Which makes sense with you not being a victim and having sovereignty.

00:44:31.400 I think a lot of people aren't able to work for a boss that's ineffective,

00:44:36.220 to work for other people that they don't respect because they jumped on the victim path of,

00:44:42.480 well, this is outside of my control.

00:44:44.740 And then they give their sovereignty and their life over to those individuals and just be a victim instead.

00:44:51.040 And when you're not that way, you can't deal.

00:44:54.240 You can't deal with working for people like that.

00:44:56.640 Well, it's even hard.

00:44:58.200 Speaking of little nuances and trivial things with patience,

00:45:01.540 like waiting for the paint to dry thing that we were talking about a minute ago.

00:45:05.880 If I'm going somewhere and somebody says, oh, just hop in the car with me.

00:45:10.220 Like, I'd rather just get my own car.

00:45:13.220 Because I don't want to, not that I don't want to hang out with people and be in the car with people.

00:45:16.920 I don't want to have to be subject to them on when we leave and where we're going

00:45:20.440 and what time we're doing this and what, no, I'll just get my own car.

00:45:22.620 And that way I can meet you there and I can leave when I want.

00:45:24.600 I can come and go.

00:45:25.460 And I just like having that control over my life.

00:45:29.260 So that made it very difficult for me to operate in that way.

00:45:32.940 Now, I will say that some of the things that I do miss, I miss the camaraderie.

00:45:38.220 I miss the brotherhood.

00:45:39.420 I miss being part of something that ultimately was bigger than myself.

00:45:45.060 And I felt like generally it was a very noble thing.

00:45:48.380 I missed wearing the uniform and being proud of that.

00:45:51.640 So there are elements of it I miss, but generally I'm pretty, pretty good with where I am right now.

00:45:58.200 Cool.

00:46:00.520 We should all be able to say that really, to be frank.

00:46:03.500 Well, and I think.

00:46:04.640 Happy and glad of where I am right now.

00:46:06.500 Yeah, I think one of the things a lot of veterans deal with is they have a real sense of purpose and direction and clarity with regards to their military service.

00:46:15.640 And then when they're done, it's like, what now?

00:46:18.480 And if I could give one bit of advice to any veteran, I would say you have to find your next mission, your next battle, your next mission, your next target, whatever term you want to use.

00:46:28.400 But you had a mission before and you were very tied to it and you wrapped up your identity in it.

00:46:33.240 And that's part of the problem is that you were a soldier or you were a Marine or you were an airman or you were a sailor, whatever.

00:46:40.740 So you wrapped up your identity in it.

00:46:42.720 And now that that's gone, your identity is gone because it's a package deal.

00:46:47.280 You made it a package deal.

00:46:49.320 So what you need to do is you need to find a new identity and be careful of wrapping up yourself in a new identity moving forward.

00:46:55.760 But you do need to find another mission that you can be excited about and be purposeful about.

00:47:01.020 This is why I think military members make great entrepreneurs because they can tie themselves to something that's deeply, deeply meaningful and then have this target fixation and have the discipline and dedication and sacrifice and commitment to see things through to the end.

00:47:19.140 But you got to find what that mission is going to be.

00:47:22.100 Yeah.

00:47:22.580 Timmy Taylor, thoughts on George Carlin's point of view about the pussification of the American male?

00:47:32.220 I don't – I'm not really –

00:47:33.920 Pause for a second.

00:47:34.560 I was like, I don't know if there's another word I could use.

00:47:38.040 No, that's fine.

00:47:38.660 I mean that's probably pretty accurate actually.

00:47:40.600 Yeah.

00:47:41.060 I don't know of like the bit.

00:47:44.100 I'm sure there's a bit or a speech or something he gives on it.

00:47:47.080 I think I've seen moments and clips of it but I would definitely agree that there is a softening and an overall feminization of society.

00:47:54.740 And unfortunately, it's producing less than stellar results for ourselves, specifically with regards to men.

00:48:01.660 And if you look at metrics of men compared to women, it's actually – it should be pretty alarming from college entry to grades that we're receiving to jobs that we're now securing.

00:48:17.300 And it's not that women are taking jobs from men.

00:48:20.920 It's not that.

00:48:21.600 It's not that at all.

00:48:22.340 It's that we're underperforming.

00:48:23.760 And the reason that we're underperforming is because we're weak and we're soft and we're pathetic or at least we're trending that way.

00:48:32.200 And unfortunately, the only thing that's going to reverse that unless we voluntarily decide to reverse it ourselves is some catastrophic event where we're required to step up.

00:48:41.580 Where you have to step up or you will die or there will be some catastrophic loss or something in your life that will happen if you don't step up.

00:48:50.540 Sometimes we operate best when our backs are against the wall because we prove ourselves capable of doing things that we didn't know we could do.

00:48:57.380 And we've never been tested like that.

00:48:59.400 This is why I say we have to place ourselves under voluntary hardship from getting up early and going to the gym to saying yes to the things that scare us to taking on more responsibility to exerting ourselves and pushing harder than we have physically, mentally, emotionally.

00:49:14.880 These are the ways that we harden and strengthen ourselves in an overall softening of society.

00:49:21.460 And that's actually part of the problem is we aren't required to be a man anymore.

00:49:26.880 A hundred years ago, 150, 500, a thousand years ago, men were required to be men because they would die or members of the tribe would die.

00:49:34.880 But you aren't required to be a man anymore.

00:49:36.860 In fact, you're encouraged not to be because it's significantly easier not to be the man.

00:49:42.940 But the problem is, is that when we're faced with difficulty, we don't know how to handle it because we've never proven ourselves capable of doing it or made ourselves more capable of doing so.

00:49:53.120 So in this day and age, you have to voluntarily decide if you're going to be a man.

00:49:58.740 And when I say be a man, I'm, I'm talking about acting like a man is that there's a difference between males and men.

00:50:06.560 A male is someone with the anatomy, the biology of man is that's a prerequisite, but a man is significantly more than that.

00:50:14.020 And you have to decide today if you want to be that or not.

00:50:19.040 So again, I don't know the entire bit, but I definitely think there's a weakening and a softening of society, which is a real shame.

00:50:26.420 It also, it also poses a great opportunity because those of us who recognize it and reject it, adamantly reject it and step into strength are the ones that are going to receive all the spoils.

00:50:40.620 We're going to get the women.

00:50:41.820 We're going to get the jobs.

00:50:43.080 We're going to get the money.

00:50:44.140 We're going to get the happiness, the fulfillment, the strength, whatever, whatever you want.

00:50:48.380 You're going to get it if you're stronger.

00:50:50.060 And the weak ones will continue to cry and gripe about how other people are always lucky and why they can never catch a break.

00:50:57.720 And they'll try to advocate and legislate these, these things like equality and of income and giving all these weak people all the benefits that they haven't earned.

00:51:11.140 The strong people are always going to receive those benefits because they've earned them.

00:51:14.460 Or they're going to take them.

00:51:16.980 That's another thought.

00:51:17.780 Or they're going to take them from the weak.

00:51:20.120 If you, if you have a strong man who's not moral and noble, he's going to steal from the weak.

00:51:26.520 So we have an obligation to be two things, strong and capable and moral.

00:51:33.180 Because we're not, I'm not advocating for taking from the weak.

00:51:36.960 I'm advocating for growing and expanding and leveling up your position in life and then defending the weak from those who are strong but not moral.

00:51:47.520 Don't be weak is the moral of the story.

00:51:50.000 Be strong and be moral.

00:51:54.100 There you go.

00:51:54.920 So, all right, Cody, uh, uh, pop and choke, pop and choke.

00:52:01.040 Um, he had a question really around a divorce.

00:52:04.320 Um, you know, how do, how does he focus on spending one-on-one time with his kids when his time with his kids is limited via divorce?

00:52:12.620 Uh, is that, is that it?

00:52:16.900 Oh, it seemed like that maybe there's more.

00:52:18.000 Oh, okay.

00:52:18.400 Sorry.

00:52:18.840 No, I thought maybe there was more to it.

00:52:20.660 Um, well, you know, obviously your one-on-one interaction in time is going to be,

00:52:24.900 I'm assuming you have more than one child.

00:52:26.820 Otherwise, you wouldn't be asking the question.

00:52:28.520 Uh, so maybe it's not one-on-one time.

00:52:31.320 Maybe it's, it's, it's that you see them all together or both at the same time and you make the best with, with what you can.

00:52:39.600 Uh, maybe there's opportunities.

00:52:40.620 If you have a amicable relationship with your ex or, or their, their mother, uh, that you can get some extra time.

00:52:48.620 Maybe there's a, maybe on a Wednesday night after school, it's, you know, Hey, can I come get a little, little Billy?

00:52:54.820 And we just go to get some ice cream and we'll be gone for half an hour.

00:52:58.500 Right.

00:52:58.920 And that would be outside of your arranged visit times or whatever circumstance you have worked out.

00:53:03.660 I don't know the intricacies of your situation, but I think if you can be amicable towards your ex and their mother, uh, and, and have a good relationship and trust me, a lot of that is on you.

00:53:14.180 Now I know there's some, some, some vengeful women out there who just, who want nothing more than to tear your life apart.

00:53:21.800 I think that's probably exception rather than the rule, but I definitely think there's things that you can do to improve that situation.

00:53:27.640 So that coming back to our previous question, you can utilize your tools effectively to produce outcomes, which is seeing your kids being involved in their lives.

00:53:37.160 So, you know, if it's limited, see them together, spend time with them together, and then see if there's some things that you can do outside of that.

00:53:43.560 To get some one-on-one time between visiting them every couple of weeks or whatever it may be.

00:53:49.300 You might have some other situations, Kip, because you're, you're a little closer to the situation than I am.

00:53:55.280 Yeah.

00:53:55.660 I, the only thing I could think is even, even if you have a, an ex spouse that is very bitter still, it is really surprising how often, um, she might be willing to have you help.

00:54:10.540 So, even though it's not part of the quote-unquote arrangement of custody, um, she's going to move on.

00:54:17.180 She's going to start dating.

00:54:18.600 You being able to grab the kids for the night, don't make it a legal thing.

00:54:23.660 Um, like you're already alluding to, Ryan, you know, see if you can take Timmy out for the weekend, you know, or for the night and go grab some ice cream.

00:54:30.460 Um, and have date nights during the week and, and that helps her because she's going to be struggling.

00:54:35.900 She's going to be in a tough spot where now all of a sudden she's hitting, being hit with the reality of being a single mother, um, and trying to pull that out on her own.

00:54:44.540 And so, um, look at, look for it as an opportunity to help her in her situation and, and use that to take advantage of some additional time with the kids.

00:54:53.040 Um, just don't make it, see it come, come from the angle of helping her, not from the angle of like, I want more time and they're my kids too.

00:55:03.680 Like, that's not going to help you.

00:55:05.160 Right.

00:55:05.280 Um, now don't get me wrong.

00:55:07.520 There's time to fight, fight when that time is, yeah.

00:55:10.800 Um, but when the fighting's over and, and the courts, unfortunately, have probably decided on your behalf in regards to how much you should see your kids now look for opportunities to help her and then use those opportunities to spend more time with your kids.

00:55:25.520 Yeah.

00:55:26.020 And be careful too.

00:55:27.080 I would say be careful about your, your words and actions towards your children will come, will circle back to her as well.

00:55:33.740 So understand your goal, your objective is to be with your kids.

00:55:38.980 So do the things that are going to help you get closer to them and say the things that are going to help you get closer to them.

00:55:44.420 If you have to fight in battle, do that between her and you don't get your kids involved as a tool.

00:55:50.020 Cause that's going to circle back around and it's going to create more contention and animosity.

00:55:54.460 And it's going to be less likely that you're going to see them because you're doing stuff like that.

00:55:59.280 Be smart, play the long game.

00:56:01.320 Even if you don't like the situation, play the long game, be wise, make good decisions.

00:56:07.540 Cause it's going to impact you and, and your kids as well.

00:56:10.640 Yeah.

00:56:11.200 And, and keep in mind that if that will, that scenario will affect your relationship or their relationship with you in a negative way.

00:56:19.100 Yes.

00:56:19.440 You cannot be, you cannot have a parent and love your parent and have someone else speak ill of them and not be a child and have that reflect back on who you are.

00:56:29.740 Right.

00:56:30.820 Guaranteed.

00:56:31.480 Right.

00:56:31.920 So don't, don't even play that game.

00:56:34.000 Like stay away.

00:56:34.660 I mean, think about the last time somebody started to gossip to you about an individual and you said, Oh, this person's really building authority and trust in my mind by complaining.

00:56:43.860 You think you start thinking ill of them.

00:56:46.820 Of course you do.

00:56:47.760 It's not the kind of person I want to be around.

00:56:49.520 Yeah.

00:56:49.780 Or what are they saying behind my back when I'm not here?

00:56:52.400 Right.

00:56:52.760 So it creates all sorts of little rifts in the relationship.

00:56:55.920 Don't, don't do that.

00:56:58.940 All right.

00:57:00.260 Morrison.

00:57:00.620 Should a person only invest in one financial, large, well-known financial company like Edward Jones or an invest in a company like Edward Jones and other small companies too, such as don't put all your eggs in one basket.

00:57:13.580 Well, you're not really investing in Edward Jones unless you're purchasing Edward Jones stock.

00:57:19.860 So that's what we need to, we need to separate that.

00:57:22.620 You're not investing Edward Jones.

00:57:24.540 You can't invest in Edward Jones.

00:57:26.640 You can work with an Edward Jones financial advisor and they're going to advise you to invest in a portfolio.

00:57:33.040 That's hopefully going to be broadly diversified amongst hundreds, if not thousands of individual stocks.

00:57:39.920 So let's, let's make sure we're using the right terms here.

00:57:42.740 If you only use Edward Jones, I think that's fine as long as they have a well-diversified portfolio for you.

00:57:50.820 So you are not putting all your eggs in one basket.

00:57:54.560 I think sometimes it could be a mistake if we're using your, your story here to invest with an Edward Jones advisor and then have a Merrill Lynch advisor over here on the side.

00:58:05.500 I think that could potentially cause some problems because there's some obvious conflicts of interest there.

00:58:11.560 Right.

00:58:12.080 And, and what you have with Edward Jones may not jive with Merrill Lynch and what you have at Merrill Lynch may not jive with Edward Jones.

00:58:17.500 And so you've got this like competing and conflicting situation.

00:58:21.700 I would say the better route is if you're going to work with a financial advisor, find somebody who's reputable, find someone that you trust, get some referrals and introductions, interview these individuals and find a advisor, a advisor, one advisor who you can work with and cover all of those stock market based investment needs.

00:58:44.100 Now you might have a real estate agent who helps you with some real estate transactions.

00:58:48.100 You might have a business coach who helps you invest in your own business or something else.

00:58:54.100 But as far as the stock market goes, I think it's best to find one advisor who you have a good relationship with, who, who will do a good job for you.

00:59:02.400 And then invest your, your, uh, your portfolio wisely and, and broadly as well.

00:59:11.800 All right.

00:59:12.440 There you go.

00:59:13.340 Chris Rice, his question, would you ever consider doing an order of man hunt at your place in Maine?

00:59:20.480 Perhaps black, uh, black bears or deer?

00:59:24.640 No, I'm not, I'm not going to like hunt on my property with order of man.

00:59:30.080 You don't want, you don't want 20 guys with guns around your house.

00:59:33.240 No, no, I don't want 20 guys around.

00:59:35.680 I don't want 20 guys scaring off the, the animals.

00:59:38.480 I, I like, no, would I go on hunts with guys in order of man?

00:59:44.220 Yeah, for sure.

00:59:45.280 Would I sit down with a good friend in a blind here on my property?

00:59:48.440 Yeah, for sure.

00:59:49.600 But I can't see facilitating any order of man like hunt here on my property.

00:59:55.940 There you go.

00:59:58.080 Okay.

00:59:58.760 How are we doing on time?

00:59:59.600 We're good.

01:00:00.800 Good.

01:00:01.380 All right.

01:00:01.700 Let's do, uh, you good with a couple more?

01:00:04.160 Yeah, for sure.

01:00:05.020 Okay.

01:00:05.520 All right.

01:00:06.100 Spencer Hancock, you speak often about the rites of passage for your boys.

01:00:10.620 I have three young sons and love the idea of doing this and having the one-on-one time

01:00:14.560 during the process.

01:00:16.300 Where can I do, where can I go to get ideas to formulate a plan for each stage of the passage?

01:00:22.520 Where did you go?

01:00:24.180 Build it, build it, man.

01:00:26.360 Like that's, yeah, just build it.

01:00:28.640 I, I don't overthink it.

01:00:30.940 Just build it where you can fix it where you need to.

01:00:33.460 Um, you can go back and listen to a couple of podcasts.

01:00:36.180 If you just type in order of man, right of passage, you'll find one, uh, in June of 2017.

01:00:43.280 So two years ago I did a, it looks like a, it is a podcast, a podcast that talks about

01:00:52.500 different steps to have and different things to include in each of these steps.

01:00:57.660 So definitely check that out.

01:00:58.980 But there's no, there's no resource, definitive resource to building a rite of passage.

01:01:03.680 And I'm actually glad there isn't because you're going to know your kids better than

01:01:07.680 I am.

01:01:08.060 You're going to know your kids better than what other people do.

01:01:10.060 I think these little frameworks that I've created here, uh, with this podcast and some

01:01:14.720 others that I have out there might be good, but build your own so that it's specific and

01:01:18.940 catered and unique to you and go back and listen to the couple of these podcasts.

01:01:22.280 I talk about on rites of passage, uh, and, and, and you'll be able to build something

01:01:25.960 out.

01:01:29.300 There's a lot of, there's something to be said for you going through the process of

01:01:33.600 trying to be creative and come up with something.

01:01:36.000 Right.

01:01:36.420 I mean, how bad do you want it?

01:01:37.320 And it's, and it's, and it could be unique to you and your family and, and, and, you know,

01:01:42.940 maybe part of it, just an idea that just crossed my mind is, you know, maybe you work through

01:01:46.980 the process of identifying your code of conduct or your mission or your values as a family.

01:01:52.120 unit.

01:01:53.460 And then you use that as the baseline of the rites of passage and you look, okay, how do

01:01:59.620 I, how do I emphasize these different areas of our code of conduct as part of this process?

01:02:06.140 It's exactly right.

01:02:07.760 I mean, there's value to looking to mentors to help walk you through some things, but then

01:02:11.920 there's also value in exploring it yourself and creating something.

01:02:15.340 Use the frameworks that I've put out there and, and build something that's going to be very,

01:02:19.940 very unique and special to you.

01:02:22.680 Cool.

01:02:23.460 All right.

01:02:24.080 Joe Sores, Ryan Mickler, what is the best way to motivate your wife to keep up the house

01:02:28.920 duties, which is something that doesn't come naturally?

01:02:31.640 We have a 10 year old and I am a sole sole provider and I am gone three, three to five

01:02:37.380 days of the week.

01:02:38.500 She is very insecure and is on meds for anxiety.

01:02:44.300 Is this something that you've discussed?

01:02:45.880 These are questions I would ask.

01:02:47.160 Is this something that you have discussed with her?

01:02:50.220 Are the expectations clearly communicated?

01:02:53.960 And you have to be careful on that one.

01:02:55.140 And I'm not saying that you expect her to do this stuff, but I'm saying that you two need

01:02:58.700 to be on the same page.

01:02:59.920 Maybe there's a breakdown in communication.

01:03:01.780 That's the point I'm making.

01:03:02.980 Maybe you think things need to be done and she has no idea because you haven't talked about

01:03:06.620 it.

01:03:06.860 So have you communicated?

01:03:10.060 Are the expectations clear?

01:03:12.400 Why is she not doing this?

01:03:14.060 Let's say those two things you have communicated.

01:03:16.240 The expectations are clear.

01:03:17.800 Why isn't she doing these things?

01:03:20.060 Is there some things that are keeping her back?

01:03:22.520 Is there some sort of resentment she has towards you?

01:03:24.820 So she's not going to help.

01:03:26.040 Does she not have the tools that she needs?

01:03:28.020 Does she not have the resources or the time to do these things?

01:03:31.560 And if that's the answer and you start isolating why this is happening or not happening, then

01:03:37.300 you can help.

01:03:39.180 Okay.

01:03:39.420 She just doesn't have enough time to do this stuff, or she doesn't have the equipment that

01:03:42.980 she needs, or her standard of cleanliness is different than yours.

01:03:47.620 And that would be something good to get on the same page about.

01:03:50.520 I know my wife and I do things differently.

01:03:53.640 She cleans differently than I do.

01:03:55.180 We raise kids different than each other and we get on the same page because it's important,

01:03:59.560 but it takes a lot of communication.

01:04:01.560 It takes a lot of trust, it takes a lot of reflection on your part in figuring out why

01:04:06.440 and asking her why and talking with her about that so that you can come up with a solution

01:04:10.180 that works for not only you, but her as well.

01:04:13.020 If you're having issues, she's having issues.

01:04:16.980 There's something that she's working through or not working through that you probably ought

01:04:20.880 to explore together because I can't imagine she doesn't want a clean home or doesn't want

01:04:25.480 to contribute to the household.

01:04:27.140 It's just figuring out why it's not happening.

01:04:31.560 Perfect.

01:04:33.440 All right.

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01:05:26.560 That's M-A-I-N-E event.

01:05:29.260 What else?

01:05:31.820 I think you covered it, man.

01:05:32.880 You did a nice job.

01:05:34.440 Oh, and then there's an icy dinner, right?

01:05:38.620 The night of the 9th of August.

01:05:41.100 So if you're a member of the Iron Council, we have an exclusive meetup that evening before

01:05:47.200 the main event kicks off the next day.

01:05:49.460 Right.

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01:06:01.040 and we'll make sure you have the information for the dinner the night before.

01:06:05.060 It's going to be awesome.

01:06:06.560 Cool.

01:06:07.500 I think that's it.

01:06:08.400 Kip, I appreciate you, man.

01:06:09.360 Good questions today.

01:06:10.160 As always, guys.

01:06:10.880 Thank you for being on this path with us and stepping up and encouraging us and holding

01:06:15.820 us accountable to do the same thing.

01:06:17.500 I know I, and I'm not going to speak for you, Kip, but I wouldn't be the same man if

01:06:21.460 it weren't for this movement and the guys here shining examples on how we as men ought

01:06:28.040 to step up.

01:06:28.840 So I appreciate it.

01:06:29.500 Without a doubt.

01:06:30.120 Yeah.

01:06:30.300 Without a doubt.

01:06:30.980 Yeah.

01:06:31.660 All right, guys.

01:06:32.140 We'll let you get going.

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Order of Man - July 24, 2019

Strength + Morality, What Historical Culture says it Means to be a Man ｜ AK ME ANYTHING

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