Order of Man - The Dangerous Path of America, Trusting the Science, Falling In⧸Out of Love

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

00:00:05.000 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.460 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:17.220 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.800 you can call yourself a man. Mr. Kip Sorensen, what's up man? Good to see you represent that

00:00:27.500 curveball hat today. This is my favorite, for sure. But it's not flat built, so what's the problem?

00:00:33.980 Yeah, but it's just the leather on the black, right? Do you remember how riled up people got

00:00:40.000 about flat brim versus curve brim? How pissed off they would get? You say it as though it's past

00:00:48.320 tense. I'm sure if we just start talking about it again, we will still get riled up. Well, that's

00:00:54.040 actually the funny thing I was thinking about this weekend with social media because I was

00:00:57.200 watching the UFC fights. Did you watch the fights, by the way? Holy crap. Crazy, crazy night. Holy

00:01:01.980 crap. Yeah. And everybody was all riled up about Jake Paul and DC getting after it. DC getting in

00:01:08.440 space. I love it. And I love it too. I think it's funny, but it's also kind of sad. It's sad that,

00:01:15.800 and I don't think it's anything new. It's probably old as man himself, that we get so riled up about

00:01:21.560 the dumbest shit. Oh, that that that's consuming us. You know, you have people you don't know

00:01:28.980 consume a little bit. Well, and you have individuals who are trying to put like real

00:01:33.440 value out into the world. And all you hear is crickets. And then you have dumb asses who are

00:01:40.160 just making a bunch of noise, spouting off, running their mouths, jack and jaw. And that's where all of

00:01:45.060 the attention goes. There's a lesson there to be learned, especially when it comes to marketing.

00:01:50.040 Yeah. Then also it's against who we are as humans. It's so it's so pathetic. Yeah. Entertainment wins.

00:01:57.580 Yeah. If it's entertaining, you know, it's and I think there's there's value to being entertained.

00:02:01.960 I'm not saying there isn't. There's value, of course, to comedy and just just being able to

00:02:06.020 unplug. But when it consumes us to the point where we won't read good books, we won't listen to good

00:02:12.180 podcasts. We won't go to the gym. We won't eat right. We won't worry about our own physical

00:02:17.400 and mental health. We just want to be entertained all the time. That's a problem, man. That's a

00:02:22.560 problem. Yeah, that's a total problem. Favorite fight for the weekend. Oh, good. Favorite fight.

00:02:29.080 I mean, watching Rose knock, uh, what's her name? Chang out. Holy cow. The first that grows,

00:02:36.000 man. She is holy. She's and she is so unassuming. So unassuming. Yeah.

00:02:42.180 I love her. And you see her. You're like this gal. Who's this? And she's a killer. Yeah. But of

00:02:48.720 course, Usman, man, that overhand right was the most violent. I think probably it's safe to say

00:02:56.460 the most violent, well executed punch that I have seen in UFC. Yeah. I don't, I don't think I've seen a

00:03:06.260 guy get knocked out and his head bounce off. Like your guys, the guys, his shoulder on the way

00:03:12.240 down. You know what I mean? Like he was, he went all the way through. Yeah. And I watched that

00:03:18.400 because you know, the clips come up on Instagram. I saw the fights, but I, I watched it on Instagram

00:03:23.240 over and over again. And I'm like, damn, that is violent. That is a dangerous, dangerous man right

00:03:29.220 there. Holy cow. For sure. I figured it would go that way. I didn't fit. I didn't think it would

00:03:34.100 play out like that though. Yeah. But Usman, like I knew Usman, I was pretty confident Usman would win

00:03:40.180 that fight. Agreed. Me too. But holy cow. And then what about Whiteman with his leg? What are the odds

00:03:48.360 that he, I know I, Silva did that to him and he did that to, uh, who was he fighting? I don't remember

00:03:57.240 Paul. Yeah. And, and broke his leg the same way Silva broke his leg on him. I'm like, dude,

00:04:04.380 Paul was a class act on that though. Did you see the post fight interview? Yeah. Yeah. The way that

00:04:11.200 he approached that man, it was, it was awesome. It was really touching, but it was just, it was very

00:04:17.280 cool. The way that he honored Chris, he acknowledged his family. He said, wherever I am in the rankings,

00:04:22.980 if, and when you come back, cause that might be a career ending injury. Yeah. I'll give you a fight

00:04:29.180 wherever I, it doesn't matter where I am. I'll give you another fight. It was, it was just, it was a very

00:04:34.060 classy response to a horrible situation. Oh yeah. Oh, that was brutal. And then he stepped, he kicked and

00:04:42.300 then he stepped back on it. Yeah. And it's funny. You see his face in slow-mo. He doesn't even act

00:04:50.240 like anything got hurt. Well, just so happened so quick, right? Yeah. And he just steps back and then

00:04:56.420 collapses. Yeah. That's why my, so Trish was like, well, why did he step back? And I'm like, he's been

00:05:01.800 training that kick for, he's done thousands and thousands of repetitions and you kick and you get

00:05:07.480 back into position. So he kicked and his body did what he was trained to do. And how would he know

00:05:13.320 that in, in a fraction of a second, you know? Yeah. Well, and there could be like tons of nerve damage.

00:05:19.460 So maybe it wasn't even painful at the moment, you know, who knows? Speaking of nerve damage, the fight

00:05:24.280 before that. Yeah. Which one was before that? Uh, I can't remember the guy's name. It's escaping me

00:05:30.080 right now, but he kicked him in the back of the leg and Oh, I missed this one. Oh dude. I, uh, is it,

00:05:36.860 I can't even remember who it is. Anyways, the guy kicked him in the back of the leg and hit a nerve.

00:05:42.640 It must've hit a nerve and his whole leg was just rendered useless. He was stepping on his feet and

00:05:48.300 like tripping and they called the fight because he, it was a nerve. Like he couldn't, it was like his

00:05:53.500 leg wasn't, it was just dangling. It wasn't even functioning. It was wild. Yeah. Yeah. That's,

00:05:58.140 that's one of my favorite fights of all time was Jose Aldo against, um, alpha male guy, uh, California

00:06:07.200 kid. And, uh, you're just fate. It was a Uriah favor. And yeah. And, and Aldo just thigh kick,

00:06:15.800 thigh kick, thigh kick. And by the, by, by the time the fight was over, he's falling over. Right.

00:06:22.080 He couldn't stand on it. He was just falling over constantly. And, and his leg was just,

00:06:27.460 brutal. That's going to become more. And I mean, it is already, but it's going to become more and

00:06:32.740 more common. And there's those inside and outside low leg kicks are just becoming more and more

00:06:36.660 common. Look at McGregor. Yeah. You know, Holy cow. You got, well, it's just the evolution or less

00:06:43.020 from a calf kick, constant calf kicks, you know, it's the evolution of the fight. And so people are

00:06:47.920 going to learn how to defend it. And it's, it's interesting. It's something else. Yeah. All right,

00:06:52.400 man. Well, enough about UFC. Should we get into some questions? Yeah. I did an AMA on Instagram

00:06:57.720 the other day and I was answering them live and I probably got through 15 to 18% of the questions.

00:07:04.000 I didn't realize to get bombarded. I like it. I mean, that's what I've, I'm getting what I asked

00:07:07.460 questions, but I just can't get through them all. So I figured the ones that I couldn't get to,

00:07:12.220 we try to scoop up some of them here on this podcast. Yeah. Yeah. We have a little extra,

00:07:16.160 just a couple from Facebook and then, yeah, I spent, it was, thank you. I spent five hours

00:07:20.860 scrolling through comments, trying to figure out which ones you didn't reply to yet.

00:07:25.100 I was like, come on. Okay. So let me give you a little hint here, Kip. I should have told you

00:07:32.220 this. I think you can scroll. At least I can on my own. I think you can select by newest comments

00:07:37.220 first. Can you not do that? Oh my goodness. Maybe you can't do that when you're on somebody else's.

00:07:43.200 I know that I can look at my own comments on mine by newest. I don't think you can by newest.

00:07:49.500 The tech guy. The tech guy didn't know. Yeah. Sorry. I'll check. No, it was fine. It was,

00:07:55.660 it was okay. All right. Let's go. I just rapid fire on Facebook and then we'll get to the Instagram

00:07:59.640 questions. Okay. Sounds good. And we're filling these questions from the order man, Facebook group.

00:08:05.120 That's facebook.com slash group slash order man. All right. Cody Brown. Are there times you feel less

00:08:10.900 of a man because you don't know how to do something? No, I don't, I don't, I don't,

00:08:17.320 I don't feel like not knowing how to do something is unmanly. I think what is unmanly is acknowledging

00:08:24.020 you don't know how to do something and then not doing anything about it. Next question.

00:08:27.800 Avoiding it. Yeah. Right. All right. Trevor Bodie. What are some tactics you guys use for being an

00:08:33.900 asset to your wife when you've had newborns in the house? Thanks for everything that you guys are doing.

00:08:39.020 Look for things that you could do. Don't ask her just acknowledge and recognize what they are and do

00:08:44.740 them. You don't need to ask her. How can I help? If you really want to help and be an asset,

00:08:48.880 look around the house, look at things that need to be clean. Look at repairs that need to be done.

00:08:52.760 Take the other kids off your hand, her hands, if that's an issue. But acknowledge what needs to be

00:08:57.680 done and do it. Don't ask her what needs to be done. Next question. John Tarpley. After becoming more

00:09:06.440 self-aware and realizing how much opportunity I have to improve the things I have to change to be a,

00:09:11.640 be a good, be good at being a man and a good man, what in your opinion is the best ways to help my

00:09:17.920 son adjust to the changes in me as I work to effectively become a better man and help him

00:09:22.640 overcome the bad example I have set for him to this point? I know changing it and living it is the

00:09:28.900 long-term solution, but any ideas on how to use psychology of a six-year-old boy to instill the

00:09:35.020 knowledge that I am at 44, just, just knowing and beginning to utilize. I feel like I have set my

00:09:44.100 son up for failure and I want more than anything to spare him my stupidity. I do not want his

00:09:49.820 failures to be due to my failure to prepare him for what is to come. Thank you.

00:09:55.300 Cool. Worthy question. Worthy path that you're on. Simple answer right here. Open your mouth and

00:10:02.040 communicate. I think he said he was six years old. Being an example is good. And you acknowledge that

00:10:06.780 over the long haul, just being an example and doing it right is the best thing you can do.

00:10:10.020 Sure. Also communicate, let him know where you've fallen short. Let him know this is how I used to be.

00:10:16.120 This is what I used to do. And here's why I do it this way now. And here's why that's important

00:10:20.980 in our evolution as men and why, how we can get better and how we can improve. So in addition to

00:10:28.440 being an example, open, communicate, be vulnerable, as much as I don't like using that word, tell him

00:10:35.800 where you fell short in the past and why it created problems of what kind of problems it created and

00:10:40.820 why you're correcting your behavior. The more that you aligned your words with your actions, the better

00:10:46.440 able he is a six-year-old will be able to formulate why all of a sudden dad has changed. You need to

00:10:52.500 connect the dots. Next question. All right. Tell us when we're done with Facebook. I want to get

00:10:57.980 to these Instagram ones. So I know these Facebook ones have been sitting around for a while. So

00:11:01.580 Paul Clifton, I don't love my wife, three kids together. Why should I continue?

00:11:09.720 I don't know why. I mean, I can't answer that question for you other than you made a commitment.

00:11:13.580 I would say that's a very valid reason for you to continue to at least work towards it.

00:11:18.820 Um, but I, can you fall out of love with someone? Yes, but you can also fall back in love with them

00:11:25.360 too. So I hear this a lot. A lot of guys are falling out of love with their wife or vice versa.

00:11:31.220 Wife is falling out of love with her husband. And then I've seen it not miraculously, but over time

00:11:35.620 I've seen it change where couples begin to fall in love again. So you owe it to her, you owe it to

00:11:40.360 yourself. And if you have kids in the mix, you owe it to them as well, uh, to follow through on your

00:11:45.000 commitments. And we need to become new people in order for that to happen because she fell out of

00:11:51.980 love or you fell out of love with her, the person she is right now, but you fell in love with somebody

00:11:56.760 else, right? You fell in love with her when she was 10 years or 15 years younger. What's different

00:12:03.180 between then and now probably a rut the way that you've matured thought processes. Uh, maybe you've

00:12:09.320 fallen into ruts, both her and you, and there might be some ways that you can get out of those

00:12:15.420 ruts by playing and being spontaneous and going on new adventures together, recommitting to each

00:12:24.840 other, going on date nights, attempting to serve as best you can her. And all of those ways I think

00:12:32.260 are valid for falling in love with someone. Yeah. I think it's possible. Uh, and you owe it to her

00:12:41.380 flat out. Like you, you committed, are you a man of your word or not? And all the guys who are

00:12:47.100 listening, who are divorced or going through separations, this is not necessarily an indictment

00:12:52.820 against you because I realized there are extenuating circumstances. And I believe there are

00:12:57.540 extenuating circumstances, but only you can answer whether or not you've done everything

00:13:05.460 that you could possibly try and do. Only you can answer that. I can't answer that for you.

00:13:11.660 I can't convince you. It's not even my position to tell you why you should stick around. That's for

00:13:16.640 you to decide, but these are all strategies you can employ to, to hopefully move things in the right

00:13:22.380 direction. Yeah. And the only thing I would add Ryan is be clear on quote unquote, her changing

00:13:30.020 versus your perception of her. You know, I think it's really easy. It's like, Oh, I fell out of love

00:13:35.040 because of X and not owning that. Like you might be pigeonholing her or passing judgment. And, and,

00:13:42.660 and some of it might be your perception. Like, did you start, did you stop learning about who she was?

00:13:47.400 Did you stop being curious about her? You know what I mean? And, and you've kind of, you know,

00:13:52.580 become stagnant in how you see her, you know? So just make sure that you're owning your perception.

00:13:59.040 Yeah. It's all perception. Everything that you believe about life is bullshit. Yeah. Think about

00:14:05.360 that. Every single thing that you think about the way that the world works or how your boss behaves or

00:14:10.360 how your wife is or your children are, it's all bullshit. It is not objective truth.

00:14:15.340 You're making stories up positive and negative. You're making stories up. You're using

00:14:20.680 your culture, your experiences, your background to make up stories about circumstances and other

00:14:27.520 people. So when you talk about your perception of her, if you're just making up a story,

00:14:32.160 she doesn't love me. She's not a good wife. She's not doing what she quote unquote should be doing.

00:14:36.360 She doesn't contribute. She doesn't appreciate me. Those are all what I would consider negative

00:14:40.620 perceptions, right? Yeah. If you're going to just create some negative perceptions,

00:14:44.720 why not create positive perceptions? So just the other night, I was sitting down,

00:14:49.840 I was watching a TV show and my wife was in the other room working on her seeds because she loves

00:14:56.160 to grow her garden in the spring. And so she's got her seedlings and she's doing that in the house

00:15:00.380 until we can move them outside until it warms up enough. And I walked through by the laundry room

00:15:04.860 and the room that she does her seedlings in is just right off of the laundry room. So I walked by the

00:15:08.980 laundry room and I just stopped and stared at her for a minute and just watched her.

00:15:12.500 And I was so intrigued and fascinated. She was so happy. And she was so, she didn't even see me.

00:15:18.060 She was so focused and intent and was giving each little plant so much attention. And she was measuring

00:15:24.660 the water just right. And she was making sure the lights were adjusted up and down. And I was just

00:15:28.740 fascinated and intrigued. And my perception is this is a woman who cares about this deeply,

00:15:33.100 who finds value in this, who has joy in life. Those are all my perceptions. Those are positive

00:15:39.780 perceptions. And who wouldn't appreciate that if that's how they viewed it. Yeah. Now, if I look,

00:15:45.260 if I walked by and I said, well, how come she's doing that? How come she's hanging out with me?

00:15:50.000 How come you know you can get vegetables from Walmart, right? Exactly. Exactly. And who,

00:15:55.420 who alternatively, who would appreciate that if that's the perception that you had?

00:16:01.440 Yeah. So you get to make it up. It's everything about your life. You're making up

00:16:05.620 everything, everything about the way that you feel about yourself, the way you feel about others.

00:16:10.540 It's all made up. It's, it's a fairy tale to make believe. So just make it the best story possible.

00:16:15.640 One that's going to serve you and other people. Well, and you'll win. Yeah.

00:16:21.600 All right. Jumping in Instagram. Uh, these are being filled with from Ryan's account at Ryan

00:16:27.100 Michler. That's M I C H L E R. Mark Kwan. Our first question as a growing man, how do you show

00:16:33.400 your significant other, what type of family you want and what values you'd like to instill in your

00:16:38.780 hopeful household? I, I, well, showing is a little bit difficult if you don't have that family,

00:16:45.240 but I think open lines of communication, talking about what you would like to do and how you'd like

00:16:49.780 to discipline and where you'd like to live and what the culture of your home would, would like to be

00:16:54.180 and what your own family was like and what you appreciated about that and what you didn't

00:16:59.240 appreciate about that and asking her, what did she like about her family and what didn't she like

00:17:03.400 about how her family was, was raised and what their culture was. And then looking to other people

00:17:09.340 too. I looked to a lot of other people, yourself included, where I think, okay, well, here's something

00:17:13.700 that Kip does really well. And here's what Mark does. And I see this guy interact with his wife and I

00:17:19.400 see that man interact with his children. And I, I point those out. I talk, I see it and recognize

00:17:25.840 it myself, but then I also acknowledge it with my wife. Like, Hey, did you see that one thing that

00:17:29.820 they did? Or even if it's on Instagram, Hey, look at this post and I might share it with her. I might

00:17:34.360 talk with her about it. We're always talking. We're always sharing. We're always looking for examples.

00:17:39.140 And then we try to implement those things. So it's possible. It just takes a little bit more effort.

00:17:44.320 Uh, it's very easy to slip in a, in, into a, a really comfortable situation where, you know,

00:17:51.360 after work is over, you just sit down and you don't talk about anything meaningful or significant.

00:17:56.100 That's the path of least resistance, but the path of more resistance, but also better is to open your

00:18:03.740 mouth, to share, to talk about these real issues. And you'll figure it out. You guys will figure it

00:18:07.960 out together because you're talking about it. You're illustrating it. You're, you're looking around,

00:18:11.280 you're sharing and articulating what it looks like. And then as you start to have children,

00:18:15.140 then, and even before you'll start to build a culture that mimics what it is you see.

00:18:21.340 Yeah. I know this is not the question, but like increasing communication, it's interesting how

00:18:26.180 you'll get that as a by-product of other things. You know, Asia, my wife, um, she wants to do a

00:18:33.860 marathon. We signed up for a marathon later this year. And, um, so we started distant running on the

00:18:39.200 weekends. Well, we're stuck running together now for, you know, two plus hours. It's like,

00:18:46.580 we, we address everything that there needs to be addressed now. Right. Because we're going hard

00:18:51.600 enough. If you can talk to each other. Yeah. Well, luckily we're not, we're running slow enough

00:18:55.900 that we can chat all day, but, but do you, do you get what I'm saying? It's like, of course,

00:19:00.220 I never even thought about it. And I'm like, actually, this is really great because we're talking

00:19:04.740 through everything, working through schedules. What should we do with this kid? Oh, this makes me

00:19:08.600 frustrated and we get a run in, you know? So it's, you know, there's ways to, to create that,

00:19:14.280 right. Maybe not running for everybody, but it's worked out well. I think you're right. You know,

00:19:19.720 my, my wife and I went, uh, to a neighboring town to pick, to go to home Depot, which is about an hour

00:19:24.780 and a half away from us. Uh, we did that this weekend. Cause we had to pick up some stuff and

00:19:28.760 we all got in the car at me and my, my two youngest kids. Cause the old boys are on vacation.

00:19:33.300 So home Depot is an hour and a half away. Holy shit. I joke that no one goes to home Depot once,

00:19:40.760 right? Like the minute I make a trip to home Depot, it ends up in like five trips. So I can't

00:19:46.700 imagine being that far away. No, I have local hardware stores. We're all on a Saturday. If

00:19:51.540 I'm doing projects around the house, I'm in three or four times a day for sure. Yeah. Okay. We're very

00:19:56.440 much the same on that. So we go down to home Depot and we get in the car and we pack the two youngest

00:20:00.720 kids up, the two oldest kids that are on vacation. They're traveling with their grandparents.

00:20:04.480 Uh, and the first 20 minutes of the driver, just silent. Cause we know each other. We've been

00:20:09.040 together for 17 years. We know each other. We fall under ruts. Like it is just, it is what it is.

00:20:14.540 Okay. And so we're just, I'm driving quiet. She's sitting there quiet and it was fine. You know,

00:20:21.340 it's fine, but it took us a little while to get into the swing of things, even though we've been

00:20:27.880 together so long and we believe so much in communication, it took us 20 or 30 minutes

00:20:31.360 before we started talking about goals and aspirations and what's coming up this week.

00:20:36.100 And this funny thing we heard. And so if you create the environment for it, then it's going to happen.

00:20:41.120 Sometimes you have to actually manufacture that environment to do it though, because we all just

00:20:45.020 fall under ruts. Like, like you said, yeah, now you're not going to have a conversation like that,

00:20:49.600 but you manufactured it maybe unintended, but it was manufactured through the run. Right. So.

00:20:54.940 Yeah. Yeah, totally. Well, I think that's why Asia likes going on vacations. Right. Cause I,

00:20:59.820 that's usually when I open up, you know, but I never want to go on them, you know?

00:21:04.340 Well, and it probably takes you a day or two also. Yeah. Takes the plane ride over and then,

00:21:09.440 you know, takes me a groove to let go of stuff. Yeah. All right. Cat perk 25, Mr. Mickler,

00:21:15.580 what is your current biggest fear?

00:21:18.180 My biggest fear, this is a little different than a lot of people would normally think of my,

00:21:26.060 my biggest fear is dying before my kids are out of the house.

00:21:30.000 Hmm. That's legitimately my biggest fear that, and, and also being insignificant is a big fear of

00:21:38.500 mine. I want to be significant. I want to be influential. I want to be regret, wasted life kind

00:21:45.220 of it. Yeah. Well, yeah, but I just, I want to be valuable to people. Like I want, I want their

00:21:51.220 life to be better because I was in it. And, and that to me is significance that because I was around

00:21:57.120 somebody's life was better, maybe this much better, maybe a whole lot better. Maybe it was

00:22:01.160 incalculable, but just better because I was around or had some level of influence in their life.

00:22:05.620 That's important to me. And then to go back to the first thing is I don't want my children

00:22:10.180 to be without me at least until they're out of the house. Yeah. I still don't want to die after

00:22:17.400 that, but you know, like, like I, I really don't want it to happen while my kids are at home.

00:22:24.720 And do you, why, where do you think that stems from? Oh, it stems from not having a dad in my life.

00:22:30.040 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I know what it's like. I know what it's like to not have your dad around

00:22:35.140 and not be able to have meaningful conversations or to ask a significant and important question

00:22:41.280 or to rough house and to play. And I know what that's like. I'm intimately familiar with that.

00:22:47.260 And so I don't want my children to experience it. And the only way they would experience that

00:22:50.960 is if I was incapacitated or dead. Yeah. All right. Chad Wankinson. I have a deep burden for men in our

00:23:02.980 country and I want to follow your footsteps. What advice do you have? I mean, I've laid it out

00:23:08.620 pretty, pretty well. Uh, just mimic what we do. We've got a podcast. We've had 350 conversations with

00:23:16.700 some absolutely incredible human beings. We've done a really, really good job at creating a community

00:23:21.420 on social media. Uh, we've implemented events. We're talking about real issues. I'm learning to

00:23:28.580 articulate a message. I don't have anything special or unique. You already haven't heard,

00:23:35.200 but here's what I would say for anybody, whether you want to do what we're doing here,

00:23:38.380 or you want to get stronger, or you want to improve your jujitsu game, or you want to become

00:23:41.920 a hunter, or you want to be some sort of business tycoon, whatever it is, just look around at the

00:23:47.300 people who are doing what you want to do and do what they do. It's that simple. Yeah. Follow what

00:23:53.700 they do. Pay them too for coaching. If they offer coaching, hire them. I've hired countless people

00:24:00.640 to help me in different facets of my life. And there isn't one person that I've hired who I've

00:24:06.620 regretted or haven't, that hasn't been an investment where I make more money back than what I spent on

00:24:13.800 having them consult and advise me. So look at what successful people are doing, do what they do,

00:24:20.500 pay them to tell you how to do it, and to shortcut some of these corners that you would normally trip

00:24:26.840 all over if you didn't have somebody telling you where they were and get after it. It's there. It

00:24:31.840 is all there. You just have to do that. Well, and maybe you're just being humble here, but I read

00:24:40.040 this question. I'm like, band with us. You know what I mean? Share this message. If we're on the same

00:24:47.100 page, right, and what we're doing is in line with what you're doing, like what you want to make an

00:24:51.940 impact around, like join us, band with us, you know, share this message, share the podcast, you

00:24:58.080 know, like, I don't know. I don't know about you, but like, and it's always interesting because I think

00:25:02.800 we get quite a bit of guys that follow you, Ryan, because they're like, well, I want to be a

00:25:06.260 podcaster and I want to be an influencer in this space. I'm always kind of like, I love, I love what

00:25:12.220 order man is doing. I love what we're doing. The iron council. I have no plans to recreate it.

00:25:17.980 I'll support it. You know what I mean? Because it's, it's in line with what I'm,

00:25:22.640 but with what, what I think, you know? So I don't know. I think that's right. I think a lot of people

00:25:27.540 probably like that. I'm not going to, no, I don't think it's that. I just think it's maybe a lack of,

00:25:32.320 of wanting a desire to do that particular thing. Yeah. And that's fine. You know, I know there's,

00:25:38.140 there's hundreds of thousands of men who share what we're doing. They tune into the podcast.

00:25:42.300 They follow us on YouTube and all the social media channels. They get the emails, they buy our

00:25:46.340 merchandise, they come to our events and they have no ambition whatsoever to do what I'm doing.

00:25:51.840 They have ambition, but not to do this. Yeah. And that's fine. If it were me, let's say the roles

00:25:57.800 were reversed kit and I saw what you were doing. I would go out and start my own thing because that's

00:26:02.880 my personality. Yeah. And although, and, and there was guys that I was following when I started this,

00:26:07.920 that I really admired and appreciated and respected what they were doing, but it just wasn't quite

00:26:12.800 right. Art of manliness is a great example. Brett McKay over at art of manliness does a phenomenal

00:26:18.660 job. He's incredible. He was a very early influence in the way that we started order of man and,

00:26:23.660 and why I wanted to start what we were doing here. But there was some things that he was doing,

00:26:28.980 not that I disagreed with, but that I just didn't feel like were the right path for me. So I could have

00:26:34.920 done what could have done. I'm not even going to say better, but could have done. I'm not even

00:26:40.280 going to say could have done different. I'm just going to say that he was going down this path.

00:26:44.140 And for part of the path, we were walking together. And then we came to a fork in the road and he goes

00:26:48.100 this way. And I'm like, okay, well, yeah, I'm not, I'm not really interested in that path. I'm

00:26:51.820 going to actually go down this one. And so I started my own thing. And then I found other people who

00:26:57.360 were doing things that are similar. I'm like, well, I like that. I don't like this. I like this,

00:27:00.360 take this, add this, tweak this, adjust this. And it becomes your own thing. But for me and my

00:27:06.180 personality and my desires, starting my own organization was important to me and it's done

00:27:12.740 very, very well. So those guys who tune in and they want to do something similar, I say, yeah,

00:27:18.940 do that. Don't steal what we're doing, but take the things that are working well, mimic them,

00:27:25.600 make them your own, do it in your own voice, in your own unique way. And you'll have a lot more

00:27:29.040 success than doing it my way. That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. All right. Next question.

00:27:37.240 Souls in war. Do you have plans to get Joe Rogan on the podcast or vice versa? I'm sure Joe Rogan's

00:27:45.240 not on the radar for Mr. Mickler. I don't even know who's that. I don't even know who that is.

00:27:51.060 Yeah. He, who, who, you know what? Stupid question. Next question.

00:27:55.500 Yeah, of course. I would love to have Joe Rogan on the podcast. Of course, I'd love to go on his

00:28:01.920 podcast and we're working different angles and different connections and making requests and

00:28:07.240 doing that with not just Joe Rogan, but Jordan Peterson and Mike Rowe and, and hundreds of other

00:28:12.880 men who we've got on our radar. And some of it's going to work and some of it isn't. And in the

00:28:19.280 meantime, we're just going to put our head down and go to work and become more influential. And by the

00:28:22.860 way, to your point earlier about sharing this message, guys, this is actually the reason this

00:28:27.920 is part of the reason. This is one of the reasons I need you to share because the more that you share,

00:28:32.580 not only is it going to be more visible for other people and you're going to be able to give other

00:28:37.400 men in your life who are important to you information that they need to thrive, but the more influencing

00:28:43.620 authority and credibility that we have with more of you, the more weight we have to throw around when

00:28:49.880 it comes to securing podcast guests like Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, some of these heavy hitters.

00:28:56.180 It's unfortunate it is that way, but I understand, you know, you take a guy like

00:28:59.860 Rogan or Peterson or Mike Rowe, they're busy. They've got their own things they've got. They've

00:29:05.180 got requests coming out of every, every place, you know, it's like, yeah, everyone wants them on

00:29:11.440 their podcast. Right. So how do we cut through that? We become like Cal Newport would, would say so

00:29:16.980 good. They can't ignore you. And so we're going to work our angles to get these great guests on the

00:29:22.860 podcast and connect with these guys. And also we're going to become so good at what we're doing that at

00:29:28.440 some point, whether it's in the next six months or the next six years, they can no longer ignore us

00:29:34.680 and are beating down the door to come on to our podcast and be part of what we're doing. But in

00:29:39.720 order for that to happen, we need hundreds of thousands of men who are already connected with

00:29:43.980 what we're doing, sharing with other individuals. So hundreds of thousands turn into millions, tens of

00:29:49.800 millions. And then how can society ignore us? I want to take this message of masculinity and I see it so

00:29:57.380 often. Men will use the term redefine masculinity. I'm not going to redefine it. I'm going to reestablish

00:30:02.660 it. It doesn't need, it's already been redefined by, by pop culture. I'm going to reestablish it.

00:30:09.080 It's not working out well. It's not working out well. So we're going to reestablish it.

00:30:12.780 And I'm going to take this message to the masses, to the mainstream, because right now this whole

00:30:17.960 concept of masculinity and traditional masculinity and the nuclear family, a lot of that is kind of

00:30:24.900 underground and it, and it's only with a certain amount of people. And I want to take that message

00:30:30.760 to the masses. I want it to be mainstream. I want order of man to be a mainstream name, just like the

00:30:37.060 Joe Rogan experience is a mainstream name. And it's going to take the work that Kip, you and I are

00:30:42.400 doing here. And of course, dozens and hundreds of other guys who are actually doing work here with

00:30:47.960 us. And it's going to take the hundreds of thousands of men to share it, to repost it, to talk

00:30:53.380 about it, to send somebody a link. That's what it's going to take. So that's your part. We're doing our

00:30:58.580 part. You do your part together. We'll make some of this stuff happen.

00:31:01.680 Stant 63. If you could only have one book to read and study other than the Bible, what would it be?

00:31:14.340 It's in, I mean, the Bible is so, there's so much depth to the Bible.

00:31:19.520 Yeah. I think that's why I threw it out for you.

00:31:21.140 It's a book of books. It's not just a book. It's a book of books. So there's so much depth there.

00:31:26.480 I mean, there's the classics like As a Man Thinketh is one. Wild at Heart is another one.

00:31:38.040 Iron John by Robert Bly is another one. I think it'd probably be between one of those three. I don't

00:31:46.500 know. If you have suggestions, I'd be really, if you could only have one book to study for the rest

00:31:50.340 of your life. That's an interesting question. So if you guys have suggestions, let me know.

00:31:54.320 I think about the book I've read the most over and over.

00:31:57.960 What is it?

00:31:59.220 As a Man Thinketh is probably the book I've read the most.

00:32:02.760 Yeah. I think it's just hard to say that because that's all you're going to read for your life.

00:32:08.660 It's just so profound.

00:32:10.220 It's profound and it changes and you see and hear different things and you hear them in different

00:32:15.060 ways based on where you are in life. That one would definitely be the top of my list.

00:32:19.800 I would say it's probably, probably that or Wild at Heart.

00:32:26.520 You read those?

00:32:27.660 Sovereignty. I would read Sovereignty.

00:32:29.500 Yeah.

00:32:30.500 Over and over again.

00:32:31.860 Over and over again.

00:32:32.660 They're so good.

00:32:33.920 They're so good.

00:32:36.360 So many layers to them.

00:32:38.440 This guy's incredible.

00:32:40.040 Yeah. That's what I would say.

00:32:42.440 Love it.

00:32:43.120 All right.

00:32:44.620 Vak Noah, when you first read Man in the Arena, how did you interpret it and apply it into your life?

00:32:55.020 I'm not real philosophical by nature.

00:32:58.980 I'm very pragmatic, very practical.

00:33:02.940 Yeah.

00:33:03.360 So I look at it and just say, okay, just go to work.

00:33:06.560 I mean, I've got it right here.

00:33:07.900 It's on my wall right here.

00:33:10.120 So how did I interpret it?

00:33:11.860 I guess I just thought, okay, well, the guy actually doing it is the guy that really counts.

00:33:16.820 So get your ass to work.

00:33:18.320 The end.

00:33:19.780 Yeah.

00:33:20.140 I never really gave it much more thought than that.

00:33:23.000 So I'm not what I would consider an intellectual or deeply philosophical.

00:33:27.940 Like I said, I'm more pragmatic or practical.

00:33:31.180 So, all right.

00:33:32.720 It's not the critic who counts.

00:33:33.700 It's the one in the arena.

00:33:34.620 So, okay.

00:33:35.360 Well, I want to count.

00:33:36.220 I just told you.

00:33:36.780 I want to be influential.

00:33:37.620 I want to be significant.

00:33:38.440 I told you that's what I wanted to do.

00:33:39.680 So get in the arena, go to work.

00:33:42.780 Don't worry about what the critics say.

00:33:44.920 Don't worry about failing and falling short.

00:33:48.920 That stuff's going to happen from time to time, but it's more important that you get

00:33:51.860 up there and you actually swing the bat.

00:33:53.800 So I took it very literally.

00:33:56.420 No, I shouldn't say literally because we're not getting in the arena actually, but I took

00:34:00.720 it from more of a pragmatic approach, a practical application of it.

00:34:04.340 So, yeah.

00:34:05.600 All right.

00:34:06.220 Ed Bott, how much time do you spend on social media platforms a day?

00:34:10.440 What percentage is pleasure and what is how much time for your business?

00:34:15.200 It's all business.

00:34:16.460 I mean, I actually don't enjoy being on social media because it goes back to what we were

00:34:20.220 saying earlier about the entertainment and the circuses.

00:34:22.780 And I get on this thing and I'm like, this is so silly.

00:34:25.000 Like this is retarded.

00:34:26.040 I shouldn't be on this thing right now.

00:34:27.240 Why are we doing this?

00:34:28.980 So when I'm on here, it's all business related.

00:34:31.500 I'm probably on there three to four hours a day, three to four business purpose only.

00:34:36.340 Yeah.

00:34:36.480 With Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, whatever.

00:34:39.780 I mean, I could pull it up here on my device.

00:34:41.740 I know it shows it.

00:34:42.540 I don't know where it is, but it's probably three to four hours a day.

00:34:45.640 That wouldn't surprise me if it was that.

00:34:47.860 And it's all business related.

00:34:49.180 I'm sending messages.

00:34:50.760 I'm responding to messages.

00:34:52.160 I'm looking for other people that we need to have on the podcast or following along with

00:34:55.860 what they're doing to see how it might influence what we're doing.

00:34:58.200 I'm, I'm on there quite a bit because this is, this is where it lies.

00:35:02.640 This is where the work lies and this is where the people are too.

00:35:05.680 So I want to connect with the people.

00:35:07.320 Here they are.

00:35:08.040 Connect with them.

00:35:10.020 Jake from State Farm.

00:35:11.840 Oh yeah.

00:35:12.560 Good.

00:35:13.220 Yeah.

00:35:13.540 Glad to see Jake here.

00:35:15.540 Is that his username?

00:35:17.400 Yeah.

00:35:17.920 Jake underscore from underscore State Farm.

00:35:20.600 Oh, you know, it's fake because they're underscores.

00:35:22.340 But I'm sure it's the same Jake.

00:35:23.460 I'm sure.

00:35:23.720 Oh yeah.

00:35:24.000 Yeah.

00:35:24.140 I'm sure.

00:35:24.680 I'm sure.

00:35:25.260 Is he verified?

00:35:25.880 That's what really counts.

00:35:27.080 As long as he's verified.

00:35:28.560 Hey, you know, I didn't copy the little badge thing.

00:35:31.380 It's okay.

00:35:31.820 I'm in my document.

00:35:32.700 I guess we can take his question, even if he isn't verified.

00:35:35.680 Social media hasn't told us he's important, but I guess we can still take his question.

00:35:39.980 Perception is it's Jake from State Farm.

00:35:42.540 All right.

00:35:43.340 What do you think the next three to five years looks like for America?

00:35:47.080 If we keep down this road, our nation is currently on.

00:35:50.600 Oh, well, you're going to see more red tape.

00:35:52.140 You're going to see more restrictions.

00:35:53.140 You're going to be seeing more, more lockdowns.

00:35:55.380 You're going to be seeing more legislation passed.

00:35:58.260 You're going to see more divisiveness.

00:35:59.700 You're going to see people being pitted against each other.

00:36:01.740 You're going to see crime go up, drug use go up, fatherless homes go down.

00:36:06.380 It's we, we know, we know exactly where it's going to go.

00:36:08.940 And it's, it's atrocious.

00:36:10.380 It's horrendous.

00:36:11.280 We're going to see those in power, uh, continue to enact laws and rules and regulations to

00:36:17.140 solidify and consolidate their power.

00:36:19.460 We know exactly where this goes.

00:36:21.340 It's, it's as old as man himself.

00:36:24.020 And so unless we learn to step up, to speak up, to reject these ideologies of the doctrine

00:36:32.160 of popular culture, this is exactly where we're going to go.

00:36:34.500 And it's going to be dangerous.

00:36:35.400 Uh, we're not going to be able to exercise freedoms the way that we are today.

00:36:40.180 Uh, we're going to be manipulated, uh, and strong armed and coerced.

00:36:44.540 We're going to lose first amendment rights, second amendment rights, and it's going to

00:36:47.980 become unrecognizable as a country.

00:36:50.540 It's going to happen over time.

00:36:52.200 And gradually, you know, a lot of people say, oh, you don't calm down.

00:36:54.960 Joe Biden or whoever's in office are not trying to take your firearms.

00:36:57.680 No, they're not trying to take our firearms necessarily, because if they just came out and

00:37:02.180 said, Hey, we're going to abolish the second amendment, everybody would be onto the game.

00:37:05.720 And we'd be able to reject that easily and decisively, but it's going to be little things

00:37:11.260 like legislation and, and ban these modifications and, and ban these upgrades.

00:37:16.320 And we're going to tax them differently.

00:37:18.580 And we're going to charge you a tax.

00:37:20.140 And then we're going to create a national firearms registry.

00:37:22.680 And so it's little by little, so little that we don't even acknowledge it, or we actually

00:37:28.680 interpret it as being a good thing.

00:37:32.740 And that's how it's going to happen.

00:37:34.820 We're going to be so grateful that our, our rights have been stripped away from us because

00:37:39.420 it's in the name of safety and, you know, and it's utopian society and people will be happier.

00:37:48.360 People will be better.

00:37:50.300 And big brother will take care of us.

00:37:51.780 The path that we go down is leads directly to authoritarianism, communism.

00:37:59.280 That's the path.

00:38:00.280 Like it is the path.

00:38:01.400 There's no way around it.

00:38:02.500 So we need to reject it at every turn.

00:38:04.680 We need to be hyper, hyper vigilant and realize that the freedoms that we enjoy carry some inherent

00:38:12.940 risk.

00:38:14.740 We have to be okay with that as individuals.

00:38:18.060 We have to be okay with some level of risk and personal responsibility, by the way, if

00:38:26.300 we are to maintain our individual rights.

00:38:30.380 Yeah.

00:38:30.660 I, I'm glad that you added that last part.

00:38:33.160 Cause I, I think at the center of this is victimhood.

00:38:36.860 It is me not taking responsibility for things and, and seeking someone else to take care of

00:38:45.360 it for me.

00:38:45.920 Well, and the government knows that, right?

00:38:49.460 So they play to, they play to the ignorant.

00:38:54.780 They play to the poor.

00:38:58.600 They play to the impoverished and they champion those people by telling them their victims.

00:39:08.580 The world is out to get them.

00:39:10.700 We can take care of everything's wrong and we are your savior, but they don't play to.

00:39:15.460 Yeah.

00:39:15.900 You need us.

00:39:16.680 You can't do this on your own.

00:39:18.240 Right.

00:39:18.860 But they don't play to intelligent people.

00:39:22.880 They don't play to the strong.

00:39:24.760 They don't play to the sovereign because they know those people can't be influenced.

00:39:28.320 Yeah.

00:39:28.760 But if you get 50, 60, 70, 80, 90% of the people who believe themselves victims at the

00:39:35.500 hands of the other 20 to 30% of the individuals, like at some point that the scales are going

00:39:41.120 to tip, they're tipping now.

00:39:42.780 Yeah.

00:39:43.420 And then they demonize the strong, the intelligent, everyone else.

00:39:47.940 We're not, you know, Oh, well you must not care then.

00:39:51.120 Right.

00:39:51.560 If you're not in line with us, you know, we're, we're seeing that with police officers right

00:39:56.000 now.

00:39:56.420 Yeah.

00:39:57.040 You know, there's a whole community that is being told that police officers hate them.

00:40:03.320 There's systematic procedures and policies in place that are designed to victimize these

00:40:09.020 individuals.

00:40:09.520 This is what we see.

00:40:10.740 And that story is being repeated by the media.

00:40:15.100 When I say the government, I'm talking about the highest echelons of government, the president

00:40:20.120 and the vice president of the United States are perpetuating this narrative.

00:40:25.160 So you have the media, you have the government telling these individuals that police officers

00:40:31.760 are systematically targeting and discriminating against them.

00:40:35.420 Um, this story is being played out over and over and over again.

00:40:40.620 And I made a post on Twitter the other day.

00:40:42.460 I said, just because somebody repeats something over and over and over again, doesn't make

00:40:47.440 it true.

00:40:47.920 But the media and the government know that and they prey on individuals who don't understand

00:40:53.120 that.

00:40:54.060 Yeah.

00:40:54.780 Totally.

00:40:55.080 It's the same thing with the mass thing.

00:40:56.460 You can hear it over and over and over and over again.

00:40:58.740 And eventually you're like, Oh, I guess, yeah, I guess masks are pretty important.

00:41:01.740 Yeah.

00:41:02.140 Does this light down for schools and for study comes out and says there's negative health

00:41:07.220 benefits to it?

00:41:08.040 Well, let's not pause and reshape the narrative.

00:41:10.340 Let's just keep right.

00:41:12.180 Bulldozing forward with whatever, you know, narrative we've already created.

00:41:15.760 I mean, even this last thing with the police officers, it was crazy how quick everyone was

00:41:21.340 another racist police officer, despite the fact that in my opinion, the guy's freaking

00:41:26.000 hero and say, in your opinion, it's stabbed objectively.

00:41:30.400 He is a hero.

00:41:32.080 Yeah.

00:41:32.800 It's crazy.

00:41:34.300 It's, it's, it's, it's horrible.

00:41:36.180 And then we hear things like, well, trust the science, trust the science.

00:41:38.860 Come on, man.

00:41:40.000 Trust the science.

00:41:41.480 What science?

00:41:42.960 What are you referring to?

00:41:44.180 Like show, you can't just say, trust the science and then not give me any science to

00:41:47.940 look at the numbers.

00:41:48.780 Yeah.

00:41:49.360 You say, trust the science.

00:41:50.520 Tell me what science.

00:41:51.480 Oh, well, Fauci.

00:41:52.520 Okay.

00:41:52.740 Well, show me what science he's looking at.

00:41:54.380 Every time the CDC, for example, makes a case against lockdowns and restrictions, they,

00:42:02.760 the, the, the presidency gets involved, Fauci gets involved, and then they reverse it like

00:42:07.320 24 hours later.

00:42:08.240 It's like, well, why did you reverse it?

00:42:10.280 Well, the science show me.

00:42:12.280 Oh, no, well, just trust it.

00:42:14.240 Just trust this.

00:42:14.840 I know.

00:42:15.020 I don't trust it.

00:42:16.220 I don't trust you.

00:42:17.720 There's like three people in my life that I trust who, if they said something, I'm like

00:42:22.500 99% sure they're telling me the truth and everybody else.

00:42:27.520 I don't totally trust.

00:42:30.200 There's no, there's very few institutions.

00:42:32.460 There's very few people out there.

00:42:33.780 Okay.

00:42:34.600 Show me when you don't trust me.

00:42:37.140 No, no, I don't show me.

00:42:40.460 Or, or, or it's not even trust.

00:42:43.400 I think sometimes it's like, well, let me understand how you're interpreting that information

00:42:47.880 because that's the other thing.

00:42:49.280 Like you're, you're too much credit, but yeah, you're too kind.

00:42:53.000 It's like, even with me, like you and I can interpret things differently.

00:42:56.480 Right.

00:42:56.940 And you should still say, show me the data kit, because I want to understand it.

00:43:02.440 I think that's a valid thing to say.

00:43:04.240 Let me interpret myself.

00:43:05.720 But yeah, I think, I think you're being too kind.

00:43:07.980 I think you're, you're, you're, you're, you're coming from the position of like, oh, let me

00:43:12.020 understand this.

00:43:12.720 And maybe they're just ignorant about it.

00:43:14.060 No, I actually think they're not ignorant about it.

00:43:16.480 And they're, they're being deceitful.

00:43:19.060 There's deceit have like deliberately and intentionally being deceitful.

00:43:23.680 And so, no, I don't, I don't trust you until you can prove to me that you should be trusted

00:43:28.460 in this particular instance.

00:43:29.820 And if you happen to be right about this, oh, good.

00:43:33.520 Okay.

00:43:33.760 Let's, let's evaluate it.

00:43:35.760 And then the next time I'm going to ask you again, because I don't trust you.

00:43:40.280 Yeah.

00:43:41.880 You know, I, I had a, I pulled up a post from on Instagram from Candace Owens.

00:43:49.180 And I, and I think when I read this the other day, I thought, man, this is so much at the

00:43:54.800 center of victimhood and, and not taking responsibility.

00:43:59.200 If you don't mind me sharing this, she says, I'm sick of people saying cops need more training.

00:44:04.640 You had 18 years to teach your kid.

00:44:07.100 It's wrong to loot, still set buildings on blaze, block traffic, laser people's eyes,

00:44:13.000 overtune cars and destroy buildings and attack citizens.

00:44:16.020 Who felt who?

00:44:16.940 I agree with that, but it's a false dichotomy.

00:44:22.560 I agree, but I like the fact that like, Hey, are, are like, please do, please still need

00:44:30.300 more training.

00:44:30.920 Sure.

00:44:31.280 They do.

00:44:32.100 However, like more training.

00:44:34.620 Why?

00:44:36.420 Yeah.

00:44:36.980 I look, I get it.

00:44:38.300 You know?

00:44:39.280 Yeah.

00:44:39.440 I mean, she's not wrong.

00:44:40.640 I just, I, I deal with this on social media where I'll make a post about something.

00:44:44.920 Uh, I made one the other day about, you know, the world would be better if they had more

00:44:50.980 engaged and honorable fathers in, in the home.

00:44:54.300 And if you don't have children, then I think you have a responsibility as a man to father

00:44:58.040 somebody.

00:44:58.900 Yeah.

00:44:59.420 Not, not be their daddy.

00:45:01.340 It's not what I'm saying.

00:45:02.680 Yeah.

00:45:03.160 Father, as in a father figure.

00:45:05.980 Yes.

00:45:06.460 As in advise coach, counsel, instruct, teach, educate, father them, not a literal father.

00:45:15.960 And a guy's like, well, you know, I disagree because the family court system is this.

00:45:20.520 And some fathers are assholes and it would be horrible if kids had assholes in their home.

00:45:25.360 I'm like, do you really think that's what I'm talking about?

00:45:28.240 You dumb ass.

00:45:29.660 Yeah.

00:45:30.700 Do you really think what I'm saying by families need fathers in the home is, is that society

00:45:37.280 needs a bunch of shitty alcoholic, abusive fathers?

00:45:41.300 Like, is that really what you think?

00:45:43.800 Yeah.

00:45:44.520 And even if it was what you're saying about the family court system or abusive fathers,

00:45:49.120 those are valid points.

00:45:50.540 I think we ought to evaluate the family court system.

00:45:53.200 I think we ought to evaluate the kind of fathers we're going to be.

00:45:56.040 Yes.

00:45:57.180 That's not even the point of what I'm saying right now.

00:46:00.380 And they aren't mutually exclusive.

00:46:02.520 So when I hear things like, well, let's stop talking about police training.

00:46:06.640 Let's talk about personal responsibility.

00:46:08.220 Yeah.

00:46:08.420 I mean, sure.

00:46:09.400 Let's talk about both.

00:46:11.640 They're not mutually exclusive.

00:46:13.180 Both can be true.

00:46:14.140 We can talk about individual responsibility.

00:46:16.220 We've been doing that for six years here in this podcast.

00:46:18.360 And also let's talk about giving our law enforcement officials and officers the tools and the

00:46:24.960 resources and training they need.

00:46:26.220 We can do both and we should do both.

00:46:27.840 Yeah.

00:46:28.760 Agreed.

00:46:29.580 All right.

00:46:30.240 So I was going to skip this question, but maybe because, but I'm ignorant to it.

00:46:34.360 So I'm not sure if this is a stupid question or not.

00:46:37.480 Bill.

00:46:38.180 Yeah.

00:46:38.740 So let's clarify.

00:46:39.540 We skip your stupid questions.

00:46:40.880 So just if you guys didn't know that.

00:46:43.400 What I like is how you're like, yeah, I might be ignorant, but it's probably just a stupid

00:46:47.700 question.

00:46:48.840 Well, I don't, it could be one or the other.

00:46:50.720 And you're like, it's gotta be that it's stupid.

00:46:52.220 Not that I'm ignorant about it.

00:46:53.600 Yeah.

00:46:53.820 Yeah.

00:46:53.940 Maybe I'm ignorant about it too.

00:46:55.040 Let's hear it.

00:46:55.880 All right.

00:46:56.460 Bell MB 51 thoughts on the Boston.

00:46:59.700 Be a man guy.

00:47:01.860 I don't know that too.

00:47:03.680 Okay.

00:47:04.920 Boston.

00:47:05.460 Maybe it would be a great discussion point, but I didn't know who the guy was.

00:47:09.160 And I was maybe thinking you would.

00:47:10.640 So yeah.

00:47:11.640 Boston.

00:47:12.300 What is it?

00:47:12.680 Boston.

00:47:13.120 Be a man guy.

00:47:14.320 The thoughts on the Boston quote unquote, be a man guy.

00:47:18.540 So I'm assuming some guy saying, be a man in Boston.

00:47:21.920 I don't know.

00:47:22.560 That was.

00:47:22.980 Yeah.

00:47:23.640 I mean, he's well, I'll tell you just based on some assumptions, he's probably an asshole,

00:47:29.780 but he's probably right.

00:47:34.180 I could be way off, but I'm curious now to see if I'm close.

00:47:38.620 Yeah.

00:47:39.040 Well, I have to Google, Google this.

00:47:41.560 All right.

00:47:41.800 Mr. Evans, best concealed carry holster company.

00:47:46.260 In your opinion, best concealed.

00:47:47.920 Oh, I don't, I don't, I don't know.

00:47:50.100 I mean, I like warrior poet society stuff.

00:47:52.140 They've got a lot of firearms stuff.

00:47:53.740 And I didn't know they made holsters.

00:47:55.480 I think they've got a couple of holsters and some different upgrades and firearms.

00:47:59.900 I don't, I don't know.

00:48:01.260 Yeah.

00:48:01.640 We had a guy, I forgot the company.

00:48:03.940 We had a guy, uh, freedom holsters.

00:48:06.620 He was making order of man ones.

00:48:08.460 Yeah.

00:48:09.100 Um, Dean Kennedy is his name.

00:48:11.400 He made some really cool.

00:48:12.660 I've got a couple from my Glock 43 that I really like with like order of man, custom

00:48:16.660 camo.

00:48:17.400 So we could make that up.

00:48:18.500 Cause that is a holster that I really like.

00:48:20.140 Yeah.

00:48:20.380 Yeah.

00:48:20.580 I didn't even think about that.

00:48:21.580 I think it's like Kennedy holster company.

00:48:23.500 I think it's Kennedy co or yeah.

00:48:25.400 Yeah.

00:48:26.100 So check that out.

00:48:27.700 All right.

00:48:28.360 Violent by nature.

00:48:29.200 I need to reach out to him to see if he can still do order of man stuff.

00:48:32.500 I know.

00:48:33.120 I guess we should have assumed that.

00:48:34.880 Yeah.

00:48:35.240 But still, I mean, even if he doesn't, he's got other holsters for just about every firearm

00:48:38.940 out there.

00:48:39.280 I'm sure.

00:48:40.980 Violent by nature designs.

00:48:42.240 How do you feel about the whole April 24th bullshit?

00:48:45.880 And this is where I'm like, Oh, maybe I should watch the news more often.

00:48:48.520 Cause I have no idea what occurred on the 24th.

00:48:51.220 I don't either.

00:48:51.980 Saturday.

00:48:52.620 No, sorry.

00:48:54.180 April 24th bullshit.

00:48:56.220 Yeah.

00:48:56.580 April 24th bullshit.

00:48:58.060 So I'm assuming something happened on the 24th.

00:49:00.020 That's bullshit.

00:49:01.580 That'd be a good assumption.

00:49:06.700 Yep.

00:49:08.040 I don't know.

00:49:09.480 Yeah.

00:49:09.720 As you can tell, Kip and I are, are, are very, we, we are on the times on uncultured swine.

00:49:16.280 I would say is what it is.

00:49:19.200 I was thinking about it.

00:49:21.000 You know how often I watch TV, like almost zero.

00:49:23.840 I don't watch TV.

00:49:26.520 I mean, I want, might watch a show, but I don't know that I use April 24th.

00:49:32.080 All I see here.

00:49:33.120 So here's what came up on, on, hold on.

00:49:36.920 What did you Google?

00:49:37.920 I put April 24th and then, and then, so I wrote April 24th and it came up with national

00:49:45.460 day was the first thing.

00:49:47.040 So I clicked April 24th national day and on April 24th, 4th, 4th, 4th, you're supposed

00:49:54.060 to observe national pigs in a blanket day, but I don't think that's bullshit.

00:49:58.740 I think that's actually a pretty good idea.

00:50:01.360 Oh, you know what he, I know what he's talking about.

00:50:04.120 Yeah.

00:50:04.760 I know what he's talking about.

00:50:06.200 I did hear this.

00:50:07.080 Cause here's the second thing.

00:50:08.520 April 24th origin is that there, I even hesitate to say this because it's so disgusting and

00:50:16.940 despicable.

00:50:18.440 Um, but there was a thing, I think it was on Reddit that they were referring to April

00:50:23.440 24th as national rape day.

00:50:28.120 Yes.

00:50:30.100 Disgusting.

00:50:30.860 Okay.

00:50:31.480 What's the, I don't even understand the point.

00:50:34.360 Well, of course, because you're a moral, decent human being.

00:50:40.000 So of course you don't understand that, but yes, I think it was either on Tik TOK or Reddit

00:50:46.020 or somewhere somebody had, had made that claim that April 24th was national rape day.

00:50:53.600 And then it kind of gained some traction.

00:50:55.300 And I don't, I don't know.

00:50:59.400 Disgusting.

00:51:00.480 Yeah.

00:51:01.020 Well, you're right.

00:51:02.660 Bullshit.

00:51:03.420 All right.

00:51:04.360 For sure.

00:51:04.700 Bear river.

00:51:05.300 We don't give that stuff credence either.

00:51:07.580 Like it's not, again, it comes, it's even if it was, I'm telling you intended to be funny.

00:51:13.180 It's not funny.

00:51:14.060 It's not funny.

00:51:14.880 It's not a joke.

00:51:15.640 It's not funny.

00:51:17.120 Um, but again, this comes back to what I was saying earlier, entertainment and shock

00:51:23.480 value.

00:51:24.880 That's what gets the most attention.

00:51:27.460 If you're entertaining and you can shock people and say stupid shit that maybe you don't even

00:51:31.560 believe they get attention for that.

00:51:34.460 And so they're dealing in outrage and this is actually one thing I actually, I listened

00:51:41.360 to a lot of conservative podcasts and radio and things like that.

00:51:44.260 And this is one of the problems I have with it is they draw light to these stupid stories

00:51:50.180 and these stupid people that don't need attention, but they talk about them and they're like,

00:51:54.280 look how dumb this is.

00:51:55.440 Stop talking about it.

00:51:58.180 You know, those individuals just want attention.

00:52:00.940 And then we give it to them by talking about it.

00:52:03.500 Even if we're telling people how horrible it is, but that's exactly what they wanted.

00:52:07.960 So they got it what they wanted.

00:52:08.980 And then we just told them that you should do that again because you get what you want.

00:52:14.380 Yeah.

00:52:15.940 All right.

00:52:16.460 Next question.

00:52:17.120 This guy's a, would you ever consider carving a spoon?

00:52:19.920 Have you carved a spoon?

00:52:21.240 I never have, but I would certainly consider it.

00:52:24.120 It's very fun.

00:52:25.340 Is it?

00:52:25.720 We did.

00:52:26.340 Yeah.

00:52:26.700 Well, I told you we went camping with the family and we didn't bring any utensils.

00:52:32.240 So I was like, if you want to eat your food, you got to make a spoon.

00:52:35.580 Cool.

00:52:36.720 Suck it out of your cup or whatever.

00:52:38.380 So yeah, it was fun.

00:52:39.420 I don't know.

00:52:40.080 You guys can build your spoons.

00:52:41.160 I'm going to build a canoe.

00:52:42.180 See who better.

00:52:44.340 See which one floats.

00:52:47.840 When you drop the bowl, I bring my spoon over to Maine and we'll both put it in the water at the same time.

00:52:52.320 I'm like, yeah.

00:52:55.020 It could go either way for sure.

00:52:57.100 All right.

00:52:57.760 Jordan loves jujitsu.

00:52:59.100 I wonder what Jordan does on his pastime.

00:53:01.540 Jordan loves jujitsu at Mr. Mickler.

00:53:03.460 Probably just talks about jujitsu.

00:53:05.100 He probably doesn't actually do it.

00:53:07.440 Here we go.

00:53:08.360 So what books are you currently reading?

00:53:10.500 And then second question, what rank are you in the jits?

00:53:17.260 Beginner in jujitsu, I would say, is my rank.

00:53:20.800 Learning.

00:53:21.980 Novice.

00:53:22.480 On the path.

00:53:23.760 Yes.

00:53:24.680 Punching bag.

00:53:25.420 Punching dummy.

00:53:26.120 I don't know.

00:53:26.500 Whatever you want to call it.

00:53:29.800 What am I reading?

00:53:31.280 I'm reading a book called Little.

00:53:33.180 I don't.

00:53:33.580 They're in my room.

00:53:35.260 But Little and Often by Trent Pressler.

00:53:37.140 He was actually.

00:53:37.840 He's the podcast we released yesterday as of this record or this release.

00:53:41.820 So that one's really, really good.

00:53:43.520 And then winning by Tim Grover because I, as of the release of this podcast, I recorded

00:53:50.260 a conversation with Tim two days ago.

00:53:53.900 As of the recording of this podcast, I'm recording with Tim this afternoon.

00:53:57.060 So those are the two books that I'm reading right now.

00:54:00.760 Yeah.

00:54:01.260 And then if you guys figure out what day we're actually doing this recording, you get extra,

00:54:06.280 you know, you get a star, a golden star.

00:54:08.160 Yeah.

00:54:08.360 You get a golden star on your, your little, our little poster board with all your names

00:54:11.980 and everything on it.

00:54:12.700 Yep.

00:54:13.180 With your participation board.

00:54:16.080 As far as rank in jujitsu, I am a blue belt, but I don't feel worthy of that most days.

00:54:24.360 Got the blue.

00:54:25.420 Well, I don't think anybody that's, I shouldn't say it that way.

00:54:30.780 I think most people never feel their, they deserve the rank in which they have, but.

00:54:36.400 I think that's a good sign.

00:54:37.820 I think if you felt like you deserved it, then that might be a little bit of a warning

00:54:41.580 or a red flag that maybe you need a dose of humility.

00:54:45.700 Yeah.

00:54:46.120 Maybe the ego needs to be crushed by someone on the mats at your gym, which will happen.

00:54:50.400 Most definitely.

00:54:51.160 Life bound.

00:54:54.020 Sometimes I think I'm too hard on my boys.

00:54:56.740 Where do you draw the line?

00:55:00.140 Results.

00:55:00.700 Good question.

00:55:01.300 Actually.

00:55:01.580 I like this.

00:55:02.000 It is.

00:55:02.280 It is a good question, but so, but the, the line is so hard to define.

00:55:06.540 It's at this thing.

00:55:08.100 It's not.

00:55:08.680 It's different for every kid.

00:55:11.000 Every kid, every situation is a little different, you know, depending on the child.

00:55:14.700 So there's so many variables, but really it's just about results.

00:55:17.180 Like if you yell and scream and hit, are you producing the right results in your children?

00:55:20.780 No, you're just, you're, you're beating them down.

00:55:23.260 You're humiliating them potentially.

00:55:24.680 You're making them feel bad about themselves.

00:55:27.140 And that's not actually serving the purpose.

00:55:30.020 The purpose is to raise confident, self-sufficient little human beings.

00:55:34.520 And so the line is enough discipline, just the right amount, not too much, but the minimum

00:55:41.740 required dose of discipline so that they will learn the lesson that needs to be learned.

00:55:46.640 And it will move them towards becoming self-sufficient.

00:55:49.260 Look, I, I lose my patience.

00:55:51.820 Sometimes I yell.

00:55:53.120 Sometimes I get a little harsh or say something mean that I shouldn't say.

00:55:56.480 I'm not saying I don't do that stuff.

00:55:57.860 I do.

00:55:59.640 And, and in those moments I feel bad and I feel guilty, but I really do try to make a

00:56:03.940 conscious effort when I have to discipline my children for whatever reason to remember

00:56:07.200 why I'm disciplining them.

00:56:09.200 It's not because they're annoying.

00:56:11.140 It's not because I can't be bothered right now.

00:56:12.500 Because you're mad and angry.

00:56:14.220 Yeah.

00:56:14.300 No, it's because I want them to win and I want them to thrive and I want them to succeed.

00:56:20.220 And so you could break a young child.

00:56:22.920 You could break an adult through verbal and emotional abuse and manipulation and the words

00:56:28.680 you're using and the things that you're saying, let alone a child, an impressionable child.

00:56:32.400 So we have to be very, very careful.

00:56:34.180 That's why I say the minimum required dose to produce the effective outcome.

00:56:37.920 And that's hard too, because the effective outcome may be something that will only show

00:56:42.720 and reveal itself in 20 years, not something that's going to reveal itself today.

00:56:48.180 So that also creates, that makes it harder because you want to correct the behavior now.

00:56:54.920 And some of it you can, you know, if my children, for example, get mouthy with their mom, timeout,

00:57:00.640 think about why you're in timeout.

00:57:02.700 Then when you're done, come back.

00:57:05.680 And usually even in, um, when I put my kids in timeout, I usually don't even set a timer

00:57:11.000 on timeout.

00:57:12.120 Like, I don't say go to your room for 15 minutes because the point is not 15 minutes.

00:57:17.620 Yeah.

00:57:17.640 The point is when you're ready to come back and address the issue correctly.

00:57:21.340 Or when you're even, I've dismissed my children from dinner because they're being gross or

00:57:25.100 crude or disrespectful.

00:57:26.520 And I say, leave your plate here, go sit on the stairs.

00:57:31.180 And when you're ready to be a functioning member of the family, it's up to you when you're

00:57:37.080 ready to do it.

00:57:37.980 You're welcome to come back to the table and fix the situation and have dinner with us.

00:57:43.320 I usually have to have this, this conversation with my youngest auto.

00:57:46.480 And so he's five.

00:57:47.580 And so he'll go sit on the table and you know, he'll be up there for two or three minutes

00:57:51.760 and he'll holler.

00:57:52.580 I'm ready to come back now.

00:57:53.700 I'm like, good, come on back.

00:57:55.160 And I don't get after him.

00:57:56.940 I don't make him feel stupid or bad.

00:57:58.700 I say, yeah, come back to the table.

00:58:01.280 Is there something you would like to tell us?

00:58:03.520 Yes.

00:58:03.880 I'm sorry for X, Y, and Z.

00:58:06.020 Okay.

00:58:06.360 Are you ready to be respectful at the dinner table with all of us?

00:58:10.000 Yes.

00:58:10.660 Great.

00:58:11.320 Sit down, start eating.

00:58:13.600 Yeah.

00:58:14.820 I, we have to remember what the purpose is.

00:58:17.580 I, I always look forward to an opportunity to, to quote something that you've said.

00:58:22.000 Um, and I'm sure you appreciate it greatly.

00:58:25.260 Uh, I do.

00:58:26.180 In fact, I'll send you a little, little extra gift in the mail for this one.

00:58:30.060 Thank you.

00:58:30.520 Appreciate it.

00:58:31.300 Well, let's see what I say first.

00:58:33.220 You're like, I didn't say that shit.

00:58:34.700 Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up.

00:58:36.980 Well, I'll send you a gift, but I didn't tell you what it would be.

00:58:39.960 It's all based on what it is.

00:58:41.220 You're going to, what you're going to say.

00:58:42.740 No, you, you've said this numerous times and I, and it really opened my mind, my mind

00:58:49.020 to this.

00:58:49.420 Cause I, I realize that, um, sometimes I'll get immediate results and undermine the long

00:58:57.480 term plan.

00:58:58.420 Of course.

00:58:58.640 You've shared this idea of like, yeah, you can yell at your kids and maybe the room gets

00:59:03.260 cleaned, but pause and say, what do I want them to learn?

00:59:07.000 Not what I want them to do.

00:59:09.460 Right.

00:59:09.900 And, and so that has helped me a lot because it, it, I have to remind myself like, well,

00:59:14.760 okay, actually it's not the room really that I want clean.

00:59:18.540 What I want is for them to take care of their things, to be orderly or whatever.

00:59:23.720 And that, when I, when I think about it from that perspective, you approach it differently.

00:59:28.060 Like, of course, my communication is different.

00:59:30.700 The, everything is different.

00:59:32.300 So.

00:59:32.800 Yep.

00:59:33.240 Play the long game.

00:59:34.460 Yeah.

00:59:35.320 All right.

00:59:35.680 I guess you will have a nice gift coming in the long game.

00:59:38.040 Thank you.

00:59:38.560 Appreciate it.

00:59:39.560 Uh, the American caveman.

00:59:40.980 Oh, this is great.

00:59:41.820 This is what here.

00:59:42.800 Uh, pat my, myself, my own back.

00:59:44.600 So I'm scaling my business and need to find a Kip Sorensen to help me figure out and help

00:59:49.180 me lead it.

00:59:49.880 How do I find this person?

00:59:52.160 Well, my number is where, yeah, for hire, uh, how do you find the right guys to help

00:59:59.320 you lead is what I'm thinking.

01:00:02.140 The question is here.

01:00:03.020 I mean, there's a lot of different ways, you know, if you're going to hire somebody,

01:00:05.420 or if you just need somebody to mentor and coach and counsel with, I mean, look, the

01:00:10.000 way that, that we got connected was a mutual friend, Matt Jenkins introduced us.

01:00:15.120 You joined the Facebook group.

01:00:16.500 You were going to leave the Facebook group because you thought it was lame or didn't like

01:00:19.360 it initially or something.

01:00:20.200 And then you realized that we had a podcast.

01:00:24.100 So I think you started listening to the podcast.

01:00:25.760 Then you joined the iron council and then you became a team leader.

01:00:28.720 And I actually remember vividly.

01:00:30.280 We having conversations, I was going to say on walks.

01:00:33.440 That sounds weird, but at events, we would go on hikes and things like that.

01:00:37.920 And I'd be able to have conversations with the team leaders.

01:00:40.500 Uh, and I remember vividly talking to you with you about this stuff.

01:00:43.380 And I acknowledged and recognized that, okay, Kip, that this is an asset.

01:00:46.860 This is somebody who's got some things figured out, you know?

01:00:49.360 And so you became a team leader.

01:00:51.740 You became a team leader mentor.

01:00:53.620 Then I realized there's even more that, that you're capable of doing.

01:00:57.140 I invited you to do this podcast with me because we had a good rapport.

01:01:00.380 You brought something to the table that I didn't.

01:01:02.520 So we have disagreements always with a level of respect and moving in the right direction,

01:01:06.960 but we don't always see the thing, the exact same, which is good.

01:01:10.440 Yeah.

01:01:11.360 Um, and, and so it just, I would say that was more of an organic approach to your involvement

01:01:18.320 here with, with order of man and the iron council, which is certainly one way to do it.

01:01:22.660 And so I'm constantly looking for things that people are good at.

01:01:26.620 Oh, this guy seems like Reese.

01:01:28.700 Reese is a great example.

01:01:29.900 Yeah.

01:01:30.180 Very good with the data.

01:01:31.140 Very good with the numbers.

01:01:32.080 He likes the processes and systems.

01:01:33.880 And I don't like that stuff.

01:01:34.960 I'm like, no, let's just do it and go.

01:01:37.320 And anecdotally, like, we'll figure it out if it's working or not.

01:01:39.840 He's like, no, no, no.

01:01:40.540 Like, let's actually pour over the data.

01:01:42.680 I just got what he calls the recon report.

01:01:45.300 Uh, every Monday I get a recon report and it's the data, it's the numbers.

01:01:48.580 Here's where we are.

01:01:49.360 Here's membership.

01:01:50.300 Here's turnover, like everything, which is really valuable for me because I can see it

01:01:54.880 in one snapshot.

01:01:55.440 I'm like, okay, cool.

01:01:56.260 That gives me an idea.

01:01:57.060 Good.

01:01:57.360 And then I look for trends, but he, he presented himself from my perception is knowing those things.

01:02:05.180 And so we gradually got him involved in one project, then two projects, then made him

01:02:08.980 a more integral part of what we're doing.

01:02:11.060 Drew Kachurik is the same way.

01:02:13.000 Chris Gatchko, who does our events.

01:02:14.840 We were at an event one time in Arizona lockdown in the, or meltdown in the desert lockdown.

01:02:20.740 I'm so used to saying lockdown, meltdown in the desert.

01:02:24.620 And, uh, and the, the, it was in, it was in the middle of, uh, the summer, which is why I was

01:02:30.100 called meltdown, not lockdown.

01:02:32.260 And the entire power in the building went off.

01:02:35.300 We were at this event that they were doing and Chris like sprung into action.

01:02:41.100 He got with the event coordinator.

01:02:42.680 He was on the phone with other hotels and other venues.

01:02:44.980 He was talking with like the power company and the hotel management.

01:02:47.920 And I was like, who's this?

01:02:49.980 Like, I knew Chris a little bit, but not like I do now.

01:02:53.580 And I'm like, what's this guy doing?

01:02:55.460 And he figured everything out.

01:02:57.840 Now, fortunately, if I remember correctly, this was years and years ago.

01:03:00.340 It seems like the power came back on, but he had a, in a matter of 30 minutes, probably

01:03:06.660 had another venue lined up, had it all taken care of.

01:03:10.380 They were going to do a bunch of comp work for it.

01:03:12.000 Like it was crazy.

01:03:13.460 I'm like, ding light bulb.

01:03:14.960 This guy is very good with logistics.

01:03:16.980 He's very good with planning and he's proven to be that way in the numerous events that

01:03:21.520 we've run.

01:03:23.340 You know what I think?

01:03:24.260 I think that, that all those guys showed up in a particular way because they're fully

01:03:30.220 committed.

01:03:31.560 Sure.

01:03:32.300 Yeah.

01:03:32.980 Like, I, I really do think that, that those guys are not like, there's no, oh, I'm here

01:03:39.720 to, you know, to feel good about myself or I want to be a team lead because, you know,

01:03:44.640 I'm kind of a way of propping myself up.

01:03:47.080 I don't think any of those guys are involved for that reason.

01:03:51.040 I think they're, they're fully committed to what this movement is.

01:03:55.640 They're committed to bettering other men and they're committed to the outcome and the

01:04:00.100 mission that you've set forward.

01:04:01.720 And they're willing to do whatever that is to, to progress it.

01:04:05.160 Yeah, I agree.

01:04:07.380 And I also think I'm willing to give that to them, which isn't something I've always

01:04:11.980 been willing to do, but I'm willing to hand it over and say, here, run with this project

01:04:16.720 and we'll see how it goes.

01:04:17.860 Like, we're not going to give you access to everything and tell you to fix all of it,

01:04:21.320 but take this little piece and we'll see how it goes.

01:04:25.020 And it goes well, or it doesn't go well, maybe.

01:04:26.980 And then, okay, well, good.

01:04:28.320 He handled that.

01:04:28.840 Well, let's do something else and let's do another piece of the puzzle.

01:04:32.200 And, but that's something I've really had to work on because I didn't want to relinquish

01:04:36.520 control of that against your nature a little bit.

01:04:39.580 Totally.

01:04:40.380 Yeah.

01:04:40.600 I want to be involved in everything.

01:04:41.900 I want to have my hand in everything.

01:04:43.280 I want to be a decision maker.

01:04:44.800 Again, I want to be significant, right?

01:04:46.320 So if I have somebody else do it, that's at direct odds with what I want of myself to

01:04:51.060 be significant.

01:04:51.640 Cause if Kip does it, then Kip's significant and I'm not.

01:04:55.080 And I'm realizing that if you're significant in this movement and Chris and Drew and Reese

01:05:00.600 and everybody else is significant, then that is actually getting what we want.

01:05:05.280 Not necessarily what I want.

01:05:07.480 That's moving the mission forward, which is more important to me.

01:05:11.940 Yeah.

01:05:12.300 Yeah.

01:05:12.580 I could, I could see that.

01:05:14.520 Outside of that, you can hire somebody, you know, so that's.

01:05:18.220 Pay them a lot.

01:05:19.080 There you go.

01:05:20.260 All right.

01:05:21.020 Last question.

01:05:22.100 So, and I, it's, I'm, I'm kind of teeing this up.

01:05:25.100 So G Brandon 29, uh, next father and son event.

01:05:29.400 Uh, that will be, uh, my wife and I were talking about it this past weekend when we

01:05:33.900 were going to Home Depot and that will be mid September.

01:05:41.980 We'll have the dates probably this week or early next week.

01:05:44.880 So we'll get that to you guys.

01:05:45.920 It's a legacy event.

01:05:46.840 Order of man.com slash legacy is where you can sign up.

01:05:49.540 It isn't there right now, but it will be end of this week, beginning of next week.

01:05:52.180 But, uh, mid mid September and then early October, we're going to do a main event.

01:05:59.520 That's a hundred men, the legacy events, a father and son, 20 fathers, 20 sons.

01:06:03.220 I've got my neighbor.

01:06:04.160 Who's also a contractor coming over in the next couple of weeks to install some railing

01:06:07.640 in the barn.

01:06:08.500 So that way that'll all be taken care of.

01:06:10.560 And you and your sons won't fall out of the second story of my barn, which would be

01:06:14.940 a hundred feet and die when you're.

01:06:17.200 Yes.

01:06:17.600 Uh, and then, yeah, the, the, uh, main event will be early October, which is a beautiful

01:06:23.920 time to be out here.

01:06:24.900 And that's a hundred guys.

01:06:27.200 So yeah, those are coming online.

01:06:29.460 I'll let you guys know.

01:06:30.440 Well, stay tuned.

01:06:31.820 Yep.

01:06:32.880 And our ass today, as we wrap up.

01:06:35.080 So, uh, we've talked about the iron council to learn more about the iron council, our exclusive

01:06:39.620 brotherhood, uh, go to order of man.com slash iron council.

01:06:43.960 Uh, where we have a new month starting in may and our topic for that month is designing

01:06:49.780 your mind.

01:06:51.140 So if you're interested in banding with us, uh, once again, that's order of man.com slash

01:06:56.460 iron council.

01:06:57.300 And then for you guys that are getting ready or need to work on your goals, uh, the battle

01:07:03.580 planner app is available, uh, within the apple store and play store, um, to learn more,

01:07:09.740 uh, go to 12, the numbers one, two week battle planner.com, uh, to get that application for

01:07:17.800 your mobile devices.

01:07:19.100 That's right.

01:07:19.840 So guys, check it out.

01:07:21.000 Great, great questions today.

01:07:22.240 Appreciate that.

01:07:22.880 Sorry.

01:07:23.060 I couldn't get to them all when I did that a couple of days ago.

01:07:25.960 Again, I didn't realize how many questions we would get, but I do appreciate the level

01:07:29.460 of interest.

01:07:29.940 We've got a lot of work to do.

01:07:31.240 So what I said earlier about sharing this work, not only so you can help the men in your

01:07:36.380 life because they need help, your brother, your dad, your cousins, your friends, colleagues,

01:07:40.940 coworkers, they need assistance.

01:07:42.720 We need to band together as men.

01:07:44.040 That's important.

01:07:45.100 Uh, but again, it allows us to throw some of our weight around, which is not a bad thing.

01:07:48.460 And hopefully that's the purpose of community.

01:07:50.700 We, we band together.

01:07:51.840 We get to throw some of our weight around and secure some of these guests, which I hope

01:07:54.960 will serve you.

01:07:55.520 That's the point.

01:07:56.340 I bring these guys on.

01:07:57.480 I ask them hopefully somewhat intelligent questions, gather their responses, give that information

01:08:02.540 to you so that you can improve your life.

01:08:04.260 So help me help you.

01:08:07.120 By sharing this mission, uh, and putting it out there.

01:08:10.480 We, we need it now.

01:08:11.540 I think more than ever.

01:08:12.700 So anyways, Kip, appreciate you as always, brother guys, we'll be back on Friday until

01:08:17.060 then go out there, take action and become the man you are meant to be.

01:08:20.800 Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast.

01:08:23.560 You're ready to take charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be.

01:08:27.760 We invite you to join the order at order of man.com.

Order of Man - April 28, 2021

The Dangerous Path of America, Trusting the Science, Falling In⧸Out of Love ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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