Order of Man

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

00:00:04.980 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.420 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:17.220 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.780 you can call yourself a man. Mr. Kip Sorensen, what's up, brother? Good to see you, man.

00:00:26.940 Football's well. Yeah, yeah. It was a good holiday. Spent time with the family. I mean,

00:00:32.420 you can't complain. Let me just make sure. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Yeah,

00:00:37.220 before we get to that, hold on. I need to police this here real quick. Now, you didn't have more

00:00:41.740 than 11 people over for Thanksgiving, did you? Thanksgiving? Oh, we didn't even celebrate

00:00:49.600 because we're in lockdown. I can neither confirm nor deny. I plead the fifth. Isn't that what it is?

00:00:54.960 I plead the fifth. Yeah. Someone on Facebook said, on the Facebook group, join us on Facebook,

00:01:01.640 by the way, facebook.com slash group slash order, man. A guy made a comment about jiu-jitsu and he's

00:01:07.240 like, oh, are jiu-jitsu gyms even open right now? And then all I replied was, the first rule of COVID

00:01:15.280 jiu-jitsu is, and then just left is that. Yeah. Pete calls it core and train is what he calls it.

00:01:24.020 It's the core and train. Your gym's funny though, man. I saw, I'm not kidding. Like I saw a post on

00:01:30.880 social media that I, and I think it was your gym and these are somebody else's gym. I thought it was

00:01:37.840 your guys's and two guys were rolling with masks on. I'm like, come on. Like, let's stop the nonsense

00:01:44.680 here. Just stop. Appease the masses. I don't care. You know what? That is a bitch ass move. Like

00:01:53.960 there's no other way to say it. Stop trying to appease the masses. Stop trying to like, pretend

00:01:59.500 like these weird measures are effective. Please. That wasn't your gym. Was it? Please tell me.

00:02:05.960 I don't think it. I don't know. I didn't see the picture. I saw it. I'm like, what the hell?

00:02:10.140 Like these guys are sweating. They're bleeding on each other. They're I was, when I was rolling

00:02:14.580 the other day, the guy, the guy's rolling with Brody, my buddy, drop a sweat, dropped off

00:02:20.040 his nose or his forehead into my mouth. It's like, but we're going to, if I got COVID, we're

00:02:26.400 all going to get COVID. Yeah. You got to wear the mask though.

00:02:29.740 So you don't get anyone sick. I just thought maybe it was, I shouldn't have thrown in your

00:02:34.760 gym under the bus. Cause it probably, it maybe it wasn't, it probably wasn't. I don't think

00:02:39.020 it was. I think, I think the reason I said that is because one time I saw a sign on there

00:02:43.660 at your gym when I went and trained and it's like, we're all going to respect the masks or

00:02:47.760 something. And I'm like, you realize what we do here, right? Like is way more than wearing

00:02:54.940 a mask. And the thing that just pisses me off is like, well, you know, we could lose

00:02:59.480 our business license. Well, if everybody just said F off, this is what we're doing.

00:03:07.520 Yeah. Then none of this would be an issue. And if you don't want to go train, don't train.

00:03:11.900 If you don't want to go to the grocery store, do the, the Walmart pickup. All right. If you

00:03:17.320 don't want to go into the convenience store, wherever it is, you go order everything on

00:03:21.880 Amazon. Yeah. There's no reason for this. And everybody, people say, Oh, it's selfish

00:03:26.640 not to wear a mask. It's selfish to say that you don't, or you feel like you should, or you

00:03:32.400 don't, or, or, or you're more important than everybody else. Yeah. Or expect everyone else

00:03:37.400 to do something for your health. That's selfish. That's more selfish. You know what I love?

00:03:44.100 I had a proud American morning. Um, I was on a call with a client that with a resource out

00:03:51.940 of France and we, and we're, why we're waiting for everyone to get on the call. He was talking

00:03:55.880 about the differences of cultures. And, and, and he, he, I was like so proud that he explained

00:04:02.400 Americans this way. Cause I was like, you're totally right. And, but he was talking about,

00:04:06.300 he's like, it's so different. He's like in France, you know, we look at the scenario, um,

00:04:12.400 with, with the pandemic and COVID-19 or whatever. And he's like, and, and the kind of the general

00:04:17.680 impression, at least his perspective is that like, that's the government's responsibility.

00:04:21.640 And, and they, you know, wait for the government to tell them what to do. And, you know, if there's

00:04:26.940 a curfew, he's like, he's like, but you Americans, you're descendants of people that have this

00:04:33.960 opinion of like, you're responsible for yourselves. That is not the government's job to do that for you

00:04:40.940 and that you do it on your own and you take accountability for those things. And he's like,

00:04:46.720 and it, and that's just the American culture. I'm like, hell yeah, it's American culture.

00:04:52.640 And, and I think we've failed to realize that. Like I, I I've used this analogy. I think I shared

00:04:57.440 this a while back, but I like, I had someone, I saw a post on Facebook. It's like, Oh, it's almost

00:05:01.900 like Americans would be willing to risk their life for the sake of freedom. And I'm like, Oh yeah,

00:05:07.920 that's the idea. Yeah. Like our fabric as a country is based upon that concept. So you think

00:05:17.300 about it's weird for the other parts of the world in terms of see that, right? They don't

00:05:21.180 understand. It doesn't matter. You know, that's the funny thing is people like people from France

00:05:25.940 or Britain or whatever, they'll say, well, Oh, you Americans are weird. We don't care what

00:05:29.220 you think. I don't give a shit that you think we're weird, which is actually probably the

00:05:34.800 reason that over 250 years ago, my ancestors left England to get away from you because we

00:05:43.600 don't give a shit about what you think. And we, we will take care of ourself and our own.

00:05:49.620 Like that's my responsibility is I'm going to take care of myself and my own. And I'm going

00:05:54.300 to assume that other people can do the same thing. I was listening to this podcast, Steven

00:05:58.440 Mansfield. He's been on the podcast a couple of times, two or three times now. And this was

00:06:03.940 on Tuesday or Wednesday of last week. And he was talking about the first Thanksgiving story.

00:06:08.220 He was talking about these pilgrims coming from, I can't exactly remember where they came from,

00:06:14.700 but coming, coming to America in the early 1600s. And these people were, were, were not,

00:06:20.160 I don't think they were fleeing as much as they just wanted to get away where there was no religious

00:06:23.600 persecution. Yeah. Religious freedom kind of. Right. Right. So he talked about the story of the

00:06:29.680 first Thanksgiving. And he talked about these initial pilgrims who came over to this new land

00:06:35.760 and they spent months and months on the ship to get to this country. And they, uh, dealt with just

00:06:46.600 horrific situations over that period of time. And people were sick and they left too late in the

00:06:51.180 year. So it was winter and it was just horrific. And then they got here and they faced starvation

00:06:57.320 and famine. And it was brutal. Like, why would any person in their right mind do that? We are

00:07:04.660 descendants of the toughest, most bad-ass rebels that the world has ever known. Like they're willing

00:07:14.460 to put it all on the line in order to secure their own way of life. And you're a descendant of that.

00:07:22.020 And if you're an immigrant later on in American history, it's your responsibility to assimilate to

00:07:28.760 that, that you came here because you thought there was more opportunity and prosperity here

00:07:34.980 than wherever it is you came from. And that's wonderful. I'd have no problem with immigration

00:07:40.120 as long as it's done legally, but it's your job to assimilate to us, not our job to assimilate to you.

00:07:46.540 And our way of life is we do it our way. We believe in personal responsibility and individual

00:07:52.580 liberty. And we believe in taking care of our own and that we can do it better than any other entity

00:07:58.360 out there. I can lead my family better than any other entity out there. I can run my business better

00:08:04.300 than any other entity out there. So you just get the hell out of my way and let me do what I want to

00:08:09.540 do. As long as it doesn't negatively impact or take advantage or manipulate other people,

00:08:14.240 you let me do what it is I need to do to take care of myself and those under my care.

00:08:20.500 You don't like it. Don't come to this country. Don't live here. But if you like that idea and you

00:08:27.900 like that concept and you believe in individual liberty and personal sovereignty, man, this is the

00:08:34.280 place for you. Yeah. And it's alive and well, even though it doesn't feel that way, I really believe

00:08:41.120 it still is. It is. But the vocal, the, the, I should say the silent minority is it's called

00:08:48.840 needs to become more vocal. Yeah. And you know, like I felt this way is like, I just want to be

00:08:56.060 left alone. I just want to come up to here to Maine. And I just want to be left alone. I want

00:09:00.100 to run my business. I just want to be left alone. I got two letters in the mail. This bugged me two

00:09:05.180 letters in the mail today. What both of them were for, from the department of workforce services or

00:09:10.260 whatever the department is called in Utah, uh, regarding my workers' compensation. Well, at the

00:09:15.280 time I'm, I was my only employee. So like, this is ridiculous. One letter says, uh, you owe X amount

00:09:22.300 of dollars because you made this much and yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. The letter, the next letter I got

00:09:27.780 was you, uh, you overpaid and we're issuing you a refund from the same agency, same agency,

00:09:36.960 four days, four days apart. Yeah. This is the government in a nutshell. I can do this better

00:09:47.020 for myself. You know what? Here's an idea. Get rid of the department of workforce services.

00:09:51.980 Let's level the playing field. You know, let's ensure that there's some labor laws. I see some of

00:09:57.040 that being important. Uh, let's ensure that there's equal opportunities for individuals.

00:10:01.100 And there's not a whole lot of discrimination going on. Uh, you know, like I see, I see that,

00:10:06.220 but these, these, these government entities are just so robust that they've just completely

00:10:13.940 defeated their own purpose. I think it should just be, Hey Kip, do you want to work with me?

00:10:18.760 And you say, yeah, sure. And I say, okay, I'll pay you this much. And you say, uh, no, I want this

00:10:23.140 much. And I'll say, well, I'm not willing to pay you that much. And you say, okay, well, I'll do it

00:10:26.000 anyways. Or you say, well, I'm moving on or I'll go to somewhere else. And then we shake hands. And

00:10:30.660 then, then when you come to me and you say, Hey Ryan, I don't want to do this anymore. I say,

00:10:34.500 well, I really want you to, I'll pay you a little bit more. You can either say, yeah, sure. Let's do

00:10:37.620 it. Or you say, no, no, thanks. Or if I say, you know what, Kip, um, I really actually just don't

00:10:42.420 like you. That's it. I don't like you. So you're not working here anymore. And a story. That's it.

00:10:49.340 It's like, okay, there, I don't need any other explanation than that. I shouldn't at least. So

00:10:55.440 anyways, all kinds of tangents we can get off on here. Oh man. We could go for it. Yeah. I mean,

00:11:01.780 just, we could go forever. Cause like, whenever I hear like, oh, but, but they don't have a choice,

00:11:07.080 right? Like, you know, it's like, yeah, you do have a choice. Don't work there. Well, a lot of

00:11:12.080 actually go somewhere else. Yes. Look, I'm, I'm trying to see it from both perspectives and you're

00:11:16.740 right. And when I talk about these things, I generally fall into the camp of what you're

00:11:20.340 talking about. Like, you know, like they have a choice that opportunity is there, but I also

00:11:26.260 understand there's, there's things where people are underprivileged or they don't have these

00:11:30.320 opportunities or, you know, they're in financial hardship or there's some addiction or mental

00:11:35.240 illness. I get these, I get these things. And so people will say, you know, well, what about

00:11:39.300 these people? Like, shouldn't the government take care of them? No, no. You know who should

00:11:44.760 take care of them? Their neighbors, their religious institutions, their families. I'm

00:11:51.540 not saying those people shouldn't be taken care of. Like if one of my, one of my sons or

00:11:55.960 my daughter was in a difficult spot financially or not like it was hard cause it welcome to

00:12:02.500 life, but like in serious, a seriously difficult circumstance, I would take care of them. Oh,

00:12:09.720 well, but right. What about the people that have families community? Oh, well, what if they

00:12:13.500 don't have community? Well, okay. Like at some point they've got to exert some level of,

00:12:18.620 of like trying exert, they've got to exert themselves to some degree.

00:12:26.840 Yep. And I just get, man, I just, I get so frustrated with this stuff because I look

00:12:34.060 ultimately here's, here's the deal. I believe in the power of human beings. And I think there's

00:12:40.980 a lot of people out there who don't believe in the power of human beings. I think a lot

00:12:45.260 of people out there believe that humans are helpless and they're stupid and they're ignorant

00:12:50.700 and they can't do it on their own and they can't make their own decisions. This is why

00:12:55.640 every once in a while I'll post something about my wife staying at home and she's been able

00:12:59.740 to stay home. Fortunately, we're blessed and I've worked hard and so is she. We're blessed

00:13:04.840 to be able to make that a reality, our situation. And people will say, well, that's not everybody's

00:13:09.100 situation. Well, it could be. I'm not any more special than you. I mean, I don't have

00:13:16.420 the silver spoon. There's no inheritance. Like there's no fun that I'm drawing upon that

00:13:22.580 somebody bestowed upon me. There's no magical gift that I have that you don't have or have

00:13:28.220 access to. So when people say, well, not everybody's situation like that, that's an excuse. Yeah,

00:13:36.320 I know. Obviously not everybody's situations like that, but the, for the overwhelming majority

00:13:41.640 of people, that's a decision. It's a series of collective decisions that you've made.

00:13:46.200 Yeah. You know, you bought a house that's too big. You've straddled yourself in debt.

00:13:51.220 You've always bought into the idea that she needs to work. You, you've lived above your means.

00:13:56.540 And so you forced this hand, the situation where your wife has to work. And don't tell me

00:14:01.760 that it's because, uh, it's just the way it is. No, it's because the way you made it.

00:14:08.820 My wife and I, man, we lived on food storage, like green beans that she used to can and vegetables

00:14:14.560 and top ramen. And she wasn't working, man, if she went to work and I saw my buddies, she

00:14:20.040 was working three, four, five, $10,000 a month. And they had these big, beautiful homes and

00:14:24.900 the fast cars and the big trucks and the boats and the toys. And guess what we had green beans

00:14:30.120 from last year from our food storage. It's a choice. And more accurately, a collection of

00:14:37.360 choices. And we made a lot of painful choices and we ate a lot of green beans and rice and

00:14:42.480 top ramen. And here we are. Don't tell me that, Oh, well, you're just lucky or Oh, we can't do

00:14:50.240 that. You were the same that way. I just did things a little differently over a period of

00:14:55.640 time. And it worked out like this. Yeah, totally. Well, I was just going to say the situation

00:15:02.640 is the same and it's freedom, right? The ability to actually like change your circumstance that

00:15:09.640 that's the situation. That's the same. I want to share a quick story. Cause I, to, to illustrate

00:15:14.620 what you were talking about earlier, um, Asian, I, we were, we were serving the homeless, like

00:15:20.960 at a, like a soup kitchen thing earlier in the week. And we are both kind of noticing. We're

00:15:26.400 like, you know, it's funny. Like there's no Polynesians. There's no Polynesians in the line.

00:15:31.660 Right. And that, you know, you're just kind of like, but there's no Polynesians. And, and so

00:15:38.880 she made a post on Facebook about like how grateful she is for Polynesian culture and,

00:15:45.280 and about how they take care of their own and, and her brother-in-law, uh, he's, he's Polynesian

00:15:53.400 as well. And, and he may, and anyhow, someone shared the story of where they're watching like

00:15:59.320 TV and they saw like a homeless person that was Polynesian. And his reply was complete stranger.

00:16:04.600 Where's that person at? Let's go get them. Right. Like it seems so odd to him. You're like,

00:16:10.740 Whoa, hold on. Why? Who's that person? Where are they at? Let's go get them. Not even a family

00:16:17.060 member, but they're like, no, no, no, that's not acceptable. Right. Exactly. Because they took

00:16:22.280 care of their, they take care of their own. They take care of how it should be. Yeah. I love it,

00:16:26.360 man. I think the, um, the Latin community and Mexican community are very much the same way.

00:16:32.640 Actually very family oriented. We take care of our own. These people work hard. They believe in God.

00:16:38.640 They take care of their families. They're obviously very family oriented. And I'm like, exactly.

00:16:44.040 That's exactly right. You take care of yourself. You take care of each other

00:16:47.840 and all of this other bullshit would be solved. Yeah. Okay. How, how, how far are we? I don't know.

00:16:57.000 20, 30 minutes. Who knows? 20, 20 minutes. It looks like about 20, maybe a little less than 20 minutes.

00:17:02.640 All right. So shall we get into it? Facebook? I guess we should get into it. It's not like,

00:17:08.320 I don't know, man. You're on a roll. Yeah. I was going to say you're on a roll. We could drop some

00:17:12.580 more mics. We will. We'll get into some good questions and I'm sure somebody will piss me

00:17:17.540 off today. So it's, we'll, we'll get into it. All right. Well, there's some lighthearted ones in

00:17:22.300 here, so we'll, we'll, we'll lighten it up and maybe a little bit. All right. Joshua Shoebridge.

00:17:26.980 Breathe. Yeah. All right. Joshua Shoebridge. Hey, by the way, hold on. Sorry. I keep interrupting

00:17:32.080 you, Kip. No worries. Um, Jay, Jared Dulo, Jared Dulo, and I still butchering his name.

00:17:39.460 He's like, he sent me a message. He's like, you butchered my name. And I'm like, I know as soon

00:17:44.400 as we got done having that conversation last week, I knew that we butchered that name. So anyways,

00:17:49.440 Jay, we apologize. We hope you forgive us. Yes. Or get an easier name like Smith. Jay,

00:17:57.440 your new name is, what is his name? His name is like, what do we call him? Like land shark

00:18:03.680 or something. Didn't we call him like that? It was, it was muscle shark. No, no, no. That

00:18:08.740 was muscle horse. Yeah. John Gilliland. John Gilliland was muscle shark and he's like muscle

00:18:16.200 horse. Yeah. Big dude. So Jay, you are now we can pronounce that. So yeah, we should probably

00:18:25.860 actually check your guys's photos before we slaughter your names. And then if you're like,

00:18:30.120 you look like a pretty tough guy, then we'll take our time and like, make sure that we're

00:18:34.340 pronounced it correctly. I think you could take him Kip. I think you could take Jay. Jay,

00:18:38.560 you heard it here. Kip. I think. Oh yeah. Don't even start. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think you

00:18:42.760 could. You'd have no problem. In fact, weren't you talking shit about Jay right before we hit

00:18:48.000 record on the podcast? You know what, Jay, come on. I'm over at Ryan's house. Why don't you come

00:18:52.880 on over? Let's see how this goes. All right. Let's go, man. All right. Joshua Shoebridge,

00:19:00.720 besides editing the podcast, which Ryan doesn't, by the way, Josh, do you have any other creative

00:19:07.660 talents that we don't know about? I guess you used to edit the podcast back in the day. So that's a

00:19:12.340 talent. What other talents you got, Mr. Mickler? I have no talent whatsoever. Oh, come on.

00:19:19.820 I can draw pretty well. I'm actually pretty artistic. Yeah. I'm actually pretty artistic.

00:19:25.040 I haven't drawn for a lot of time, a long time. But yeah, I can draw pretty well.

00:19:33.720 That's about it. Everything else I've had to work my ass off for,

00:19:38.800 like I'm pretty mediocre at everything else in life. What would people say that you're good at?

00:19:44.200 Because you're kind of a humble guy. So you may not say certain things. I'm assuming people tell

00:19:49.900 you all the time that you're great at public speaking. Sometimes when I say I'm humble or

00:19:54.680 like make a, you know, like a humble brag post, because that's honestly, that's what it is, right?

00:19:59.480 Yeah. I'm so grateful that I'm so talented.

00:20:01.500 Yeah. Yeah. My, my biggest weakness is that I have no weaknesses. Um,

00:20:07.720 people will say, Oh, you're being too modest. Like I'm not deliberately trying to be modest. I

00:20:13.720 am legitimately average at the things that I am interested in, you know, whether it's hunting or

00:20:19.880 jujitsu or podcasting or writing, I'm legitimately average. I'm not lying. I'm not trying to make

00:20:28.240 myself appear more humble or gracious or whatever than I really am. I'm average, but I'm really good

00:20:34.360 at the monotony. Like I I'm good at the grind. I'm just very good at saying, okay, I want to have

00:20:42.680 success in this endeavor. And so I just go and show up and try to be as coachable as I can. Maybe a

00:20:50.760 coachability as a talent, I guess, maybe that I've been blessed with. I, I, I do, I I've always

00:20:56.900 been a coachable person. If somebody says do it this way, I'm like, okay, like I don't question it

00:21:02.540 if they're, if they're obviously good at that thing and I just do it. So I'm good at being

00:21:09.500 coachable. And, and, and, you know, along that same line is I'm very inquisitive. I guess that's

00:21:16.120 maybe another talent too, that people often overlook is I'm curious about things and people

00:21:22.340 and what makes them tick and why they do that a certain way. And so my son and I, and my two,

00:21:27.520 my two oldest sons and I were in Pennsylvania this last weekend for a hunt. A lot of you guys

00:21:30.980 probably saw my oldest son shot his first deer, which was awesome. And one of the, we brought it

00:21:37.260 back and we gutted it out and then we're starting to break the deer down. And one guy did it a certain

00:21:41.680 way. And I've noticed that everybody who breaks down a deer, everybody does it differently.

00:21:46.280 There isn't one universal method. I mean, ultimately it all gets done at the kind of the

00:21:51.620 same, the same end result, but everybody just does it a little bit differently. And so this guy was

00:21:57.980 breaking down this deer and I'm like, well, why do you do it that way? And what about this? And what

00:22:01.900 about that? So I've always been very, very inquisitive and curious about why people do things a certain

00:22:07.760 way. And I think that's played an advantage. And then I can, for whatever reason, I can just be

00:22:14.660 monotonous. Like I can just do it and just be excited about doing it. I think that's something

00:22:20.760 that I was just maybe instinctively or naturally blessed with is you don't need to convince me.

00:22:26.720 I don't need to ask a bunch of questions. You say, jump, I say how high, and you say this,

00:22:30.500 and then I do it. I'm like, okay, well, he knows what he's talking about. So just do it that way.

00:22:34.540 And maybe that's a level of, of density or lack of creativity, but it's like, okay, well,

00:22:38.860 sounds good. And then I just do it forever. I think my wife would tell you that when you ask the

00:22:43.120 question, like, what do people say you're good at? My wife, in fact, would probably say that as she

00:22:46.940 would say that you're, you're very good at when you put your mind to something game over, it's over,

00:22:56.200 it's over. It's just, it's just a matter of time. Like that's it. It's not, will this happen? It's

00:23:03.900 like, when will this happen? That's it. But what was this question about create something about what

00:23:09.660 other creative muscles? Yeah. Creative talents that we don't know about.

00:23:14.060 Creative talents. I don't know. I have a video of you singing in the shower. That's creepy.

00:23:22.400 It is kind of creepy. I didn't take the video.

00:23:24.940 Is this a public video or is this a private, one of your private, from your private collection?

00:23:31.080 What's in my private collection now, but your wife posted it. It wasn't me.

00:23:34.140 I could think of way better videos that belong in your private collection than me naked in the

00:23:40.360 shower singing the national anthem, I think is what it was. It was the national anthem. Yeah.

00:23:47.740 Yeah, I can draw. I can, that's it. I can draw. My dad was a great artist. He was very creative.

00:23:55.000 He could draw really well. Um, the end. There you go. Grows mad beer too. I guess that's kind of

00:24:06.020 creative. That's, that's actually the laziest thing that a man could ever do. People are like,

00:24:12.740 how do you grow a beer? And I'm like, you just be lazy. You stop shaving. And then it's there.

00:24:16.280 You just, it's like the lowest bar of entry of anything that we could possibly talk about on

00:24:23.340 this podcast. You literally do nothing. In fact, you stop doing things like that's how lazy it is.

00:24:31.060 You stop shaving. You stop worrying about it so much. And it just grows.

00:24:36.560 All right. Anthony Nolan Jr. How long did it take your business to grow to the point where it covered

00:24:42.420 your expenses? Further, how long did it take for your business, uh, to become established enough

00:24:48.240 to improve your financial situation beyond where you, where you were before you started it?

00:24:53.000 Thanks guys. Love and appreciate the work you do. You inspire me to get off the hamster wheel

00:24:57.400 and get my own business rolling. Been at it for a year and a half now.

00:25:01.500 Cool. Awesome. That was Anthony. Is that right? Did I catch that right?

00:25:04.700 Anthony. Yep. Anthony. Uh, it took me about a year and a half before I started making income

00:25:09.540 very briefly. Cause I've talked about, I don't want to beat a dead horse here.

00:25:13.620 I was about seven or eight months into the order of man thing. Actually, no, I was about six months

00:25:18.700 now that I say that. And I was listening to a podcast and my wife at the time had said something

00:25:23.400 like, you know, you're taking a lot of time away from, from your financial planning practice,

00:25:29.040 which is what I had at the time. And you're doing more of this order of man thing, which is good.

00:25:33.900 You're happy. You seem excited about it. It's all good. Except for you're taking away

00:25:38.560 family income. Cause you're not so focused on the financial planning practice. And she was dead

00:25:42.920 on with that. I was not totally checked out, but I certainly had my toe out the door at that point.

00:25:50.640 Yeah. And I said, she said to me, you either ought to probably start doing more financial planning

00:25:56.380 or figure out a way to make some money with order of man. And I'm like, well, option B I'm making more

00:26:02.520 money with order of man. And that's six months in. And at that point you're doing podcasts,

00:26:07.560 podcasts. Uh, I may at that point have had a shirt or two. You have one, actually the brotherhood

00:26:16.100 shirt, right? You still have that one. I don't even have that shirt. You should stop wearing that

00:26:20.360 shirt and instead frame that up. I don't think you should sell it to me right now. I think you

00:26:25.080 should wait 10 years. I have two versions. I have, I have two copies, two iterations of it. Oh no. The

00:26:30.700 same shirt, same shirt. Dang. So one's framed one you wear. Yep. Yep. While you're watching your

00:26:37.580 private collection of my videos. Got it in my underwear. Yep. In your underwear. That's better

00:26:42.620 than I was going to say. So that's, that's a step up. All right. So six months into this thing,

00:26:48.060 you got the, the story there. Um, and I was, I was listening to a podcast and I, it was on Pat Flynn's

00:26:54.900 podcast. A lot of you guys probably listened to his podcast. Actually I don't anymore. So I don't

00:26:59.260 even know if he has a podcast, but he's got some great information. Uh, and he had a guest on and

00:27:04.160 the guest was like, Oh, you need to do a membership. So I'm like, okay, cool. I'll do a membership. And

00:27:08.140 I didn't know anything about it. I was like, I'll do this a 90 day course. Uh, we'll cover it over a

00:27:14.900 period of, uh, so what's that 12 weeks. So we'll cover one lesson every two weeks and I'll have six

00:27:23.200 topics that we'll discuss. And I wrote the six topics and nothing else. I'm like, here's the

00:27:28.900 six topics. I didn't come up with anything else or any sort of curriculum or videos, none of that

00:27:33.020 fancy stuff. And I reached out on our Facebook group. And I think there was probably something

00:27:37.980 like a thousand or so guys in the Facebook group at the time. And I said, all right, guys,

00:27:42.480 we're going to do this 12 week course. It's a mastermind. We're going to call it the iron council.

00:27:46.580 We're going to cover these six topics over two weeks. You're going to have access to a private

00:27:49.820 Facebook group and we're going to get after it. Who wants to join? And I said, I have 12 spots and

00:27:55.520 we sold the 12 spots like that. And I remember Mark Gabloski. He's still a member of the iron

00:28:00.620 council. Uh, he's kind of an honorary member of the iron council. I should say it that way because

00:28:07.040 he still invests in the iron council. I just don't see him a whole lot, but I think he just

00:28:11.420 really believes in what we're doing. And I appreciate that level of friendship. And he pops in

00:28:17.060 periodically. I wish he was more active cause he's a great contributor, but that's the degree. But

00:28:22.620 I love Mark. It's a lot. Yeah. Mark has lots of offer. Yeah. He was on Echo for a while and I was,

00:28:28.860 I love, was he? Yeah. Yeah. So much to offer. So he was the very first person to ever pay me money

00:28:35.860 outside of maybe a t-shirt for the iron council. And I still have the email. In fact, he emailed it to me

00:28:43.120 a year longer ago and it was the email that I sent to him and it was like, Hey, thanks for believing

00:28:47.440 in me. It was just me. And now there's two of us. And it was Mark like that. And then I had the other

00:28:53.060 11 guys sign up. We're having some internet connectivity issues here, Kip. Sorry. Um,

00:28:59.440 so yeah, so there, so it was me. So I sold that overnight, me and 12, 11 other guys or maybe 12 other

00:29:05.480 guys in me. Uh, and we did that and the guys liked it so much. They're like, well, what do we do after

00:29:10.420 this? And then we started the, we opened up the iron council and now there's close to 800 members

00:29:15.400 in the iron council. So it took about a year and a half to get to the point where I'm like, okay,

00:29:20.060 well, like this is actually something that we could, that I could do as a job. And at that point,

00:29:25.920 a year and a half into it, I started to scale back, but look, here's the deal. Like to help you,

00:29:31.200 who's answer asking the question is you gotta focus on the revenue. Most people won't because they

00:29:39.800 think, well, I'm just, I just like it and it's good. And it's a hobby and it's fun. That's all

00:29:44.020 great, but that's not at odds with making income. And so where I see most people who are starting

00:29:48.740 businesses fall short is they're so consumed with, I just want to do good. And they overlook the money

00:29:55.580 part of it. You can do more good, the more money that you make. And the sooner that you can reconcile

00:30:01.960 the two thoughts, which is do good, make lots of money, the more that you'll actually, you're

00:30:09.060 capable and able to do both, do more good and make more money. So to use asking again, was it Anthony?

00:30:18.120 If you're, so you're asking this question about this, you gotta find a way to sell something.

00:30:25.320 If you're an entrepreneur or a business owner or aspiring business owner, guys, listen to me.

00:30:29.360 If you're not selling something, you're not in business. You're not, you're not in business.

00:30:35.300 You're in, you know, philanthropic pursuits, charitable work, nothing against that. If that's

00:30:42.560 what you want to do, then go that route. But if you're trying to start a for-profit business,

00:30:46.660 which is what we are, and I've never made any qualms about that. And I've never apologized about

00:30:50.420 that. And I never will. I want to make as much money as I possibly can doing something that I feel

00:30:56.500 helps society. And the two thoughts are not at odds with each other. In fact, they're complimentary.

00:31:02.400 You gotta sell something, make something. You talk about all the time, Kip, minimum viable product,

00:31:09.120 make the minimum viable product you possibly can. It's not going to be perfect. It's probably not

00:31:14.380 going to be pretty. It's not going to be ideal. Just get it out in the world and see if people are

00:31:19.060 resonating with what you have to offer. You're aspiring business owner. You said it yourself.

00:31:22.400 I don't know if you're selling recipes on the Traeger or how to shoot guns or how to paint,

00:31:30.380 or I don't know. I don't know what your thing is, but make the minimum viable product. I'll give

00:31:35.160 you an example. Let me get up here real quick. Hold on. So I, I did something that I feel like I'm in

00:31:47.880 over my head, but this is one of my goals for, for the quarter, first quarter of 2021 is I'm going

00:31:52.680 to build a canoe. That's awesome. From scratch. Like I'm just going to build a canoe. So I jumped

00:31:59.300 online and I spent. Like old school, like out of a log. Wooden canoe. Yeah. Wouldn't. No, no, no,

00:32:04.320 no. Wooden canoe. Yeah. Wooden canoe. Slats. Slats, strips. I bought the kit. I got it. So it's not like,

00:32:11.740 I mean, I eventually, if I like it, I'll probably move on further from here. So right here,

00:32:16.500 I have the plans for the canoe and the people that I bought the canoe from, I think it's called,

00:32:22.480 I wish I had it. It's like bear. I want to, I want to give him a plug here real quick.

00:32:28.840 Bear mountain canoes. So the people I bought the canoe from a really nice woman. Her name's Joan.

00:32:34.780 I get on the phone with her. I'm like, Hey, I have some questions about your canoe kits. And I get on

00:32:37.820 the phone and she's from Canada and she's like, yeah, you know, here's what we do. Here's the canoe

00:32:43.420 kits. And I'm like, I need everything. Like I need the kit. I need the plans. I need the

00:32:48.000 instructions. I need the children's like coloring book on how to do it. Like I literally need

00:32:53.100 everything on this. And she's like, have you ever done this before? I'm like, no, I've never even

00:32:57.920 remotely attempted. I need like what tools I need. I need everything. And she's like, okay, yeah,

00:33:03.760 we can sell you everything. She was happy to do that. Of course, which I was like, good. That's

00:33:08.020 I want to pay you to sell me everything. But I was thinking about it. I'm like, you know,

00:33:11.540 she doesn't actually have to sell everything. Now this is their business model. So they do,

00:33:15.860 but she could actually probably make a very lucrative career. Just teaching dumb asses

00:33:21.660 like me who bought a canoe, who don't know what the hell they're doing. Not the plans,

00:33:26.460 but a step-by-step instruction on how to even read these damn things. Cause I'm looking at them. I'm

00:33:31.960 like, I opened them up last night. Cause I got back from my trip and they got here while I was gone.

00:33:36.840 And I told my wife, I'm like, hon, I'm in over my head on this thing. And she does laugh. Cause she

00:33:42.800 told me not to do it. And I'm like, I'm doing, I don't care. She could literally take this a ship

00:33:49.000 or a canoe. I'm going to build a destroyer apparently with all like the manuals and everything

00:33:55.720 that they gave me. Um, I was thinking, so is this, is it we're, we're off on so many tangents,

00:34:02.340 but this guy's name's Anthony, right? Yeah. Okay. So Anthony, I was thinking about this as,

00:34:08.680 as I'm answering your question, it's this easy. There's probably a market for going to bear river.

00:34:17.520 What is it? Bear, bear mountain canoes. Okay. There's probably a market of buying their plans

00:34:23.000 and then making a book that actually teaches you how to interpret these things. That's how easy it is.

00:34:32.340 Yeah. It's that easy. Wherever there's a pain point that you're interested in and canoes might

00:34:37.100 not be your thing and that's fine, but wherever there's a pain point, I'll give you another example.

00:34:41.700 Hold on one second. Okay.

00:34:48.960 Because this is important stuff, man. Yeah. All right. So guns are not new, right? They've been

00:34:54.980 around for, I don't know, hundreds, if not thousands of years, right? Since Adam and Eve, I think.

00:34:59.960 Yeah. Guns? Guns haven't been around that long. All right. So I had this guy on the podcast. His

00:35:11.340 name's Jeff Gonzalez. Can you see that at night? Jeff Gonzalez. Yep. Guns are not new. Okay. We've

00:35:17.900 had guns for a very long time. Jeff doesn't make guns. He's not Ruger or Glock. Like he doesn't

00:35:25.880 manufacture guns. Jeff teaches you how to use them. That's it. DVD on an old, I'm like, dude, bro,

00:35:35.660 really? Like you don't even need this. I'm like, why don't you just, this is expensive, bro. Just

00:35:43.900 email me the link. I'll pay the $30, but you just email me the link. You don't even need a DVD. Okay.

00:35:51.300 It's more, it's even easier than this, what you sent me. But Jeff's in the market. If you go to his

00:35:56.560 website, you can also buy a DVD player. He's doing this right. To be able to watch the video.

00:36:03.880 He's like, you can't watch this unless you have a DVD player. That's actually a good point.

00:36:08.320 All right. So he sends me this, this outdated thing. I don't even know what this is. That's

00:36:13.000 how outdated that is. But he also sends me these. A pack of cards. All right. And on these cards,

00:36:24.280 this is cool. So this is, he calls it training card program. Again, I'm trying to give him a shout

00:36:32.780 out. He was on my podcast, Jeff Gonzalez. Tricon. That's what it is. Tricon. He sends me these cards

00:36:39.400 and on these cards is 52. It's a deck of cards. It's 52 drills that you can run with your pistol.

00:36:49.160 So I've got pistol. I've got rifle. I've got three decks here. Drills that you can run on with your

00:36:55.680 pistol and rifle to help you become more efficient with this thing that he doesn't make called a gun.

00:37:01.500 Yeah. It's easy guys. Just find the pain point, whatever your thing is. Okay. If it's guns,

00:37:10.720 just go into gun communities, go into a Facebook group. Okay. If you're in guns or tactical shooting

00:37:17.860 or survival or whatever, join all the Facebook groups you can. This is gold right here. Write

00:37:22.660 this down. Okay. Join all the Facebook groups you can and purge the ones that suck. Cause there's

00:37:28.780 going to be a lot that aren't good. So get rid of those. And then you just start filtering into

00:37:33.020 the good ones. And then look at what the reoccurring questions are. Hey, Jeff, you know,

00:37:39.840 like I've got this gun. What do I do? If I don't have any ammunition, I just want to like practice

00:37:43.600 training, write it down. Hey, I'm out here on the range and I'm just wasting all this ammo because I

00:37:49.860 don't really know what I'm supposed to be doing. Write that down. Write down all the pain points.

00:37:55.060 If you're in the artists, the, the, the, the watercolor painters of America, Facebook group,

00:38:00.920 which by the way, is probably a real Facebook group. Actually, if you looked

00:38:04.280 okay, go in there. And the questions are, uh, what kind of paper is the best paper to use?

00:38:11.760 What, what kind of brush and how do you do it this way? And how much water ratio to paint? I don't

00:38:16.640 know. I'm making stuff up, but they're going to have questions and you write all of them down.

00:38:21.400 And then you put together a kit and it says the 10 things, every new watercolor artist needs to

00:38:28.960 know to paint like Bob Ross. I know Bob Ross uses, I don't know, oil or acrylic or something. He

00:38:34.260 doesn't use watercolor, but you get it. All right. You get it. Go in, figure out where people are

00:38:40.080 struggling, insert yourself between the problem and the solution and you will win. And you do it

00:38:46.980 monotonously consistently over a long and sustained period of time. Like I was talking about earlier

00:38:51.280 with one of my talents and you will win. I promise you, you will win. Well, I think we got through

00:38:56.560 one question so far. Yeah. All right, let's go. Here we go. Yeah. We're going to bust through.

00:39:04.420 We're going to, we're going to, we'll get some. Let's do this. All right. Raiden Seale.

00:39:06.920 Raiden Seale. Okay. All right. I'm ready. Raiden Seale. How do you, uh, all right. Start over.

00:39:15.400 Raiden Seale. No, we're leaving that. Leave that. Okay. Leave that. If it makes me look bad,

00:39:19.900 take it out. If it makes Kip look bad, leave it in. All right. How to understand the difference

00:39:27.360 between what you are doing for yourself and what you're doing to impress others. I argue that no

00:39:33.400 matter the reason, improving yourself is going to be a worthy goal. If impressing someone is the

00:39:38.320 catalyst for you to improve your life, then so be it. Here's the question. Would you still do that

00:39:45.800 thing if nobody saw it? Like, would you, would you build a canoe if you didn't get to post it on

00:39:52.580 Instagram and tell people now, is there a drawback though? If that is the catalyst, maybe to initially

00:40:00.240 drive action. Um, you mean to impress other people? Yeah. Like if it drives you to do the

00:40:08.340 right thing. Well, so, okay. So here's my thought on that. Yeah. Yeah. I see weird. I like that

00:40:12.160 question. You need to make sure you're impressing the right people. Okay. So for example, I want to

00:40:20.060 impress my children because I want them to see their dad doing big and bold and audacious things and

00:40:27.380 struggling and grinding through it and accomplishing it and then getting beat and then getting back up

00:40:32.720 and then overcoming the thing. I actually am worried what they think about me. You know, there's the

00:40:39.140 popular trope of, of zero F's given. It should actually, the full sentence should be zero F's given

00:40:46.120 for the wrong people. Like, I don't care what the wrong people think of me, but Kip, I actually, I, I,

00:40:52.520 I think what you think of me is important because we're partners in this, right? Like I want to show

00:40:58.580 up on time. I want to be prepared. I want to be ready and engaged. I want my enthusiasm and excitement

00:41:03.440 levels to be up. And it's important, not that I impress you, but it is important that I am doing

00:41:11.020 what would hold me in a positive light in your eyes. That's important. And we talk about that here

00:41:17.220 about impacting people and being a good example, which is in essence, caring what people think to

00:41:24.600 some extent, the right people. Right. And iron council is the same way. You know, like I, I

00:41:30.880 probably wouldn't be as accountable or disciplined if I didn't have those eyes on me. If I didn't have

00:41:38.740 you who's listening right now, if I didn't have you listening. And as an example, years ago, I did this

00:41:43.320 Spartan Hagoge. I got to stop talking about it because it almost feels like this is so long ago. It almost

00:41:47.060 feels like in high school, I took state, you know, in Parowan. Yeah. But, uh, and by the way,

00:41:55.380 we didn't take state. So let me just set the record straight on that. Um, but we did better than,

00:42:01.480 than, uh, South severe. Yeah. Yeah. I figured. Yeah.

00:42:07.160 I'm pulling records from the nineties just to confirm. Where were we going? I can't even remember

00:42:12.920 I was going. Oh, gogie. But yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So there was times guys that I wanted to

00:42:18.960 quit. That thing is a 60 hour endurance event. I actually don't even know if Spartan does them

00:42:22.340 anymore. 60 hour endurance event. It was hell. It was miserable. And I almost threw in the towel

00:42:26.340 several times. Like, not like I was thinking about quitting because that happened all the time,

00:42:30.480 but like seriously considering going to ring that stupid Spartan helmet. And the only thing that kept me

00:42:37.540 from doing it several times was two things, my children, because my wife sent me a text and on

00:42:45.000 in that text, there was a picture. And in that picture, she had gone to the grocery store and

00:42:50.660 she had bought poster boards. So she went out of her way to buy poster board. And then my kids,

00:42:58.260 I envision them all sitting around the table, taking time away from the other things they could

00:43:02.980 have been doing and using glitter and special fancy writing. And they wrote things on that poster board

00:43:09.820 like, go dad. We know you can do it. 60 hours. Like that's what they wrote. And she sent me this

00:43:16.540 picture the night before I was about to go. And I wouldn't talk to her the next morning because we're

00:43:20.400 starting early. And it was that my kids holding up the poster. And I thought to myself, as I wanted to

00:43:26.940 quit, I thought, how big of a loser would I need to be to say, Hey, you believed in me, but I let you

00:43:33.240 down. You said to get 60 and I told you I could do it. And I only gave you 20. How big of an asshole

00:43:41.240 would I need to be to do that? And then I had 10,000. I remember roughly 10,000 guys in the Facebook

00:43:46.920 group at the time. And I said, I'm going to go do this thing and I'm going to finish. And then I would

00:43:50.500 have to come back and I would have to say, sorry guys, you couldn't do it. Come up with some excuse.

00:43:55.540 Yes. No, that was not happening. And so that's a, that's an instance where actually caring about

00:44:04.100 what the right people think about you will actually serve you in a positive way. So I've never ever

00:44:11.080 once. In fact, to make fun of it, subscribe to the zero F's mentality. I have actually a lot of F's

00:44:17.500 to give. I just know who to give them to. Yeah. Now where's this bad though? So when, when,

00:44:24.500 when is this not good other than, cause I think you've made that clear, like it, we should care.

00:44:31.060 It should be the, for the right people, but when even is it may be negative for you to want to

00:44:38.200 impress even the right people? Like, is there, is there a space in your opinion where it goes? Yes,

00:44:44.620 there is. So now we have two different factors and I'm oversimplifying this just for the sake of

00:44:50.200 this conversation. We have two different factors, what people think of you and what you think of

00:44:53.780 yourself. Yeah. And, and so people, a lot of times we'll ask about how do I build more confidence?

00:44:59.360 You think better of yourself, but look, please don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying just be happy

00:45:05.280 with the way you are, because I think that is a stupid, dangerous phrase in ideology. Yeah.

00:45:11.260 The way you think better of yourself is doing things that are worth thinking better of.

00:45:18.140 So if you're fat, okay, if you're a hundred pounds overweight, you shouldn't feel good about it.

00:45:24.840 Okay. You shouldn't be doing the body positive movement. You shouldn't be dancing around in your

00:45:29.920 underwear. You shouldn't be doing those things because you're celebrating less than you're capable

00:45:34.900 of. Yeah. And you don't, I don't think Pete, I don't think they really buy it anyway. I really

00:45:41.420 think in most of those cases, they know, they know they're bullshitting themselves. This is going to

00:45:46.140 sound really harsh, but I think this is the truth. These are the individuals who kill themselves and

00:45:53.000 people say, I never saw it coming. Yes, because they're faking it. They're acting. They're pretending

00:45:59.020 like they care about themselves. They're pretending like they feel good. And deep down inside when

00:46:05.240 they're alone at night and nobody's around clicking on the like button of them dancing around in their

00:46:11.420 underwear and they're a hundred pounds overweight. They think to themselves, I'm a loser. I'm pathetic.

00:46:17.160 I'm a piece of shit. And I'm not saying they are. I'm just saying, these are the people who kill

00:46:22.580 themselves. And most people say that guy was the happiest guy. I never saw it coming. Yeah. Because

00:46:30.360 you allowed him to fool himself. Like we need to care about people more than that. Okay. So you have,

00:46:41.320 you have two things, what other people think, what you think of yourself, what you think of yourself

00:46:46.380 only improves to the degree that you're willing to make yourself better and more capable. Cause when

00:46:51.800 you're a hundred pounds, I promise you, I promise you when you're a hundred pounds overweight and you

00:46:57.160 lose 20, you're going to think better of yourself. You're going to because you exercise some restraint.

00:47:06.680 You got up early and moved your body. You did something you didn't want to do. You suffered

00:47:13.020 physically and mentally, and you proved that you could do it and you're going to feel better about

00:47:19.580 yourself. That's how you build confidence. So again, we come back to this thing, two factors.

00:47:25.980 Again, I'm oversimplifying what people think of you, what you think of yourself. Now we know how to

00:47:30.440 think better of yourself. Do the work that you know you should be doing. There's no other way.

00:47:36.120 When those two things are in alignment, it's good and it's healthy, right? I want Kip to think

00:47:44.020 better of me because I care about him. And I also really want to be a great podcaster.

00:47:52.960 I want to add value. I find meaning and purpose and what I'm doing here. And because I want to impress

00:47:59.820 Kip and I also want to be a good podcaster and the two align, it's a healthy thing.

00:48:07.700 If there was no alignment between the way people think of me and what I think of myself,

00:48:15.120 that's where you start to get this unhealthy balance. Like, yeah, because now you're codependent

00:48:20.920 on me saying, Ryan, you're amazing. Even though you're like, I don't feel amazing, you know? And

00:48:26.520 then you just seek it more and more for confirmation that you are. And also it could out, it could also

00:48:32.480 happen towards things that are actually really good for me. So let me give you an example.

00:48:35.980 Kip, I know that jujitsu is a big part of your life. And let's say I was really focused on making

00:48:43.160 sure that I had your approval, that you thought well of me, but I didn't like jujitsu.

00:48:49.840 I hated it. I despised it. I felt miserable. It wasn't enjoyable. It didn't feel, I didn't feel

00:48:56.120 like it served me. And yet I kept going because I want your approval. See how that's bad?

00:49:02.440 Yeah. And part of the reason it's bad is because I'm doing something that's not serving me and all

00:49:09.440 of that time and energy could be directed towards something else. In this context, maybe it could

00:49:15.140 be directed towards becoming a bodybuilder or a strong man or maybe Muay Thai or boxing. I'm just

00:49:24.160 using this as an example. But I cut myself off from all of that, that could have served me so much

00:49:29.680 better because I was worried about what you thought. I've done the same thing, man. At times

00:49:34.820 I've followed people on social media and I'm like, well, that guy's doing this thing. So

00:49:38.620 I need to do that thing. And I was miserable and I kept doing it because I thought that's what you're

00:49:43.740 quote unquote supposed to do. And I wanted this guy to follow me or to like me or to be on my podcast.

00:49:49.280 And what a dangerous way to live. What a dangerous way to live.

00:49:52.860 And what I, what I love about this conversation too, is I would even suggest Ryan, that if you

00:49:57.980 go through the grinder to try to impress me by doing something you don't enjoy, there's a sense

00:50:03.780 of resentment and frustration that you're going to end up having against me. Totally. Right. Where

00:50:11.100 you're like, I'm busting my ass. I'm trying to be this. And you know what I mean? I'm not,

00:50:15.260 maybe Kip's not giving me the attention I expected for me doing this thing. And now I wasted all my

00:50:21.080 time trying to appease this individual. And, and what I, what I like about that is that same thing

00:50:27.100 kind of circles back around about when we talk about being a good example, a lighthouse versus

00:50:33.440 a tugboat, we think, Oh, well we can get people to do things, but when they do it just to appease us,

00:50:40.100 when they do it just to like get us off their back, it's the same thing that we're talking about.

00:50:46.940 They're doing it to impress you, but they're not doing it for themselves. Right. And, and it's

00:50:51.940 going to cause issues even in that example. You're a hundred percent right. I totally agree

00:50:57.300 with that. I would also say the other thing is that you're actually, if I'm doing things to appease

00:51:03.780 you, you're actually not going to like me anyways. Yeah. Cause you're going to think I'm a brown noser

00:51:09.540 or you're going to think I'm a weirdo or that I'm clean too clingy or too needy. This applies to

00:51:16.980 romantic relationships, friendships, business partnerships. If I need you and I'm doing

00:51:23.280 everything Kip for you, that's actually going to be very, very off-putting to you. It's going to be

00:51:28.480 more attractive again, romantically, or just a friendship or business partnership. If you know,

00:51:34.400 Kip, you know, here's an interesting way to look at this, especially because we're talking about our

00:51:38.360 dynamic. If you know that I could do this podcast just as well with another co-host,

00:51:45.500 isn't that a good position for both you and me? Yeah. I know it sounds weird. Cause we're talking

00:51:53.200 about things that, you know, we don't usually talk about, like these are conversations that don't

00:51:57.880 usually get had, or these are, you were saying the quiet part out loud, but aren't you better?

00:52:02.220 And aren't I better because I could do this podcast without you? I don't need you here,

00:52:08.760 Kip. I don't need you to do this with me, but I like having you here because you add something to

00:52:12.880 this. Now, instead of feeling like you're in power, you're, you have all the control. It's like

00:52:18.100 reciprocal and you feel good. You feel wanted because I want you here. I, I chose you to be on

00:52:24.560 this thing with me. Yeah. And, and in your example, it goes from why I'm only here because

00:52:30.440 he needs me versus I'm here and I'm honored that I'm here. Exactly. Those are two drastic worlds.

00:52:38.700 And to your point, it's exhausting when someone quote unquote needs you. Yes. And, and it lacks,

00:52:46.560 are you ready for it? Lacks a little bit, but it really does because you're like, this isn't,

00:52:54.020 this isn't genuine. It's not genuine. It's, it's very selfish really. Right. Right. It's exactly

00:53:01.920 right, man. We covered a lot of ground on that one. All right. Let's keep going. Justin Michael,

00:53:08.100 my father-in-law just was diagnosed with tonsil cancer. How do I help my wife cope? How can I help

00:53:15.340 her deal with all the emotions and be there for her? Thank you. These questions are so hard. First of

00:53:21.620 all, I'm sorry to hear that. That's a bad situation. I don't know the prognosis. I don't

00:53:25.720 know. I don't know anything about that, frankly. Um, but it's, I'm sure it's a difficult, difficult

00:53:31.800 situation. And the hard thing about questions like this is there's no, there's no legitimate answer to

00:53:40.460 it. If you did these five things, your wife would be appeased and everything would be better,

00:53:46.180 man. It's just not like that going to be better. Yeah. The fact that you're asking that question

00:53:51.600 probably means you're doing the right thing because you care. That's what that's the, that's

00:53:57.340 the answer. And the fact that you're asked asking that question, you're not like, how can we get over

00:54:01.960 this? You're saying, how can my, I help my wife deal with this means that you're not thinking about

00:54:08.120 it from your perspective. If you're thinking about it from her perspective, that's the nature of your

00:54:11.900 question, which means that you're probably already doing the right things. And it sucks because we,

00:54:18.000 as men are problem solvers and you aren't solving the problem. What's the problem? She feels bad.

00:54:24.700 She feels helpless. She feels out of control. She she's dealing with her emotions and there isn't

00:54:31.840 anything that you can do to control all of that. And so as problem solvers, we, as men,

00:54:37.980 when we can't solve a problem, how infuriating is that? So let it go. Okay. Like that's the answer.

00:54:46.640 Let it go. It's not within your control. Now there are some things you can be supportive.

00:54:52.420 You can encourage and foster. You can pick up some slack around the house. Potentially.

00:54:57.540 Maybe you can manage your finances a little better so she can take some time off. There's some things

00:55:02.040 that you can do that I think is low hanging fruit that you're probably already doing the rest of it.

00:55:08.120 You just have to let it go and you have to roll with the punches. I know last week we talked about

00:55:14.800 making this a jujitsu podcast. So I'm going to try to make this as much of a jujitsu podcast as we can.

00:55:19.880 I was training this morning with Brody and he, he started to, to lean one. And I'm trying to think

00:55:28.780 about the scenario, but he started to lean one way and I trapped his arm and I trapped his leg

00:55:35.020 and I let him lean and I just leaned into him. And guess what happened? I swept him and I ended up on

00:55:42.000 top. Okay. You need to lean into it. You need to roll with it. You don't need to be so rigid.

00:55:50.120 What can I do to fix the situation? Let it go, man. Okay. Be there, be present, free up your

00:55:59.900 schedule, free up your situation, adapt, roll when you need to roll. Do those little things that are

00:56:09.080 low hanging fruit that I'm already sure you're doing. And then just be there. That's it. Just

00:56:14.840 be there and let go a little bit because you can't control it and no amount of wrestling. In fact,

00:56:20.280 the wrestling for control is only going to make matters worse. It's going to stress her out. It's

00:56:25.280 going to freak her out and it's going to piss her off. What would you add Kip? That's my perspective

00:56:32.120 from somebody who, who has a hard time exhibiting some level of empathy. So I would, I would really

00:56:37.240 appreciate your perspective on this one. This, this is coming from the space of, I don't have a parent

00:56:42.620 that's passing yet. Um, but, and I, I don't know if it's this podcast or another podcast is probably

00:56:48.800 someone you're interviewing Ryan, but I, I heard this analogy of having clear perspective on how much

00:56:56.220 time we have. And, and my, my parents are mid seventies. And when I think about my time with them,

00:57:03.640 it isn't that I have 10 years, it's that I have 10 summers and maybe only three visits per summer.

00:57:13.740 And now I get 30 visits. Like from that perspective, that changes how I visit. And,

00:57:21.480 and so this may sound a little odd, but I think just as much as you can do to, to allow your wife to

00:57:27.540 take advantage of this opportunity. And it sounds weird that I use that term opportunity, but there's

00:57:32.920 an opportunity and the opportunity is that life, um, and death is very present right now.

00:57:41.220 And the importance of probably your father-in-law's life in your wife's life is really present

00:57:47.600 and clear the way to allow her to take advantage of that. And maybe has spent as much time with him as,

00:57:55.920 as she possibly can create the opportunities where they can connect the best they can and take

00:58:02.760 advantage of the chance that they have. Agreed. Agreed. Tough situation, man.

00:58:10.480 Yeah. Super tough. All right. Jordan Fowler, Ryan Mickler. What's something that you're struggling

00:58:16.240 with? Something that you don't quite get a grasp on and you need to reach out for help.

00:58:20.960 My greatest weakness is that I have no weaknesses.

00:58:29.120 It's like an interview question, right? Yeah. Yeah. My greatest struggle is I don't really

00:58:32.980 struggle with anything. I just, so easy. Yeah. I don't know. I, I take all difficulties and

00:58:38.400 I make them into opportunities. So it's really not a problem.

00:58:41.000 Uh, I struggle a lot with patience. I actually really struggle in the business,

00:58:48.640 in parenting. I really, really struggle with patience, patience with your, yourself and the

00:58:54.800 progress and expectation you have on something or patience with other people. Yeah. Because I,

00:59:01.320 and this goes back to what I was saying earlier, like I grind, man, I just do the work and people

00:59:07.060 don't grind. So it's like, what are you doing? What's your problem? Like, why aren't you going

00:59:10.800 as fast? Why aren't you as capable? What, what, why don't you get this? Why don't you understand

00:59:15.520 this? Let's go. What, why is this not your priority? That's super hard for me. Yeah. And,

00:59:21.680 and then I realized, you know, with my kids, for example, like maybe they're doing the best that

00:59:25.200 they can, or maybe you failed to train them. That, that actually happens a lot is like,

00:59:29.680 I failed to teach them or instruct them the right way. And so of course, why, how would they,

00:59:34.400 I was yelling at my kids this morning when we were trying to do this store and I'm like,

00:59:36.840 oh yeah, he doesn't know how to do that part of it. But that was my fault. So I don't know if I've

00:59:43.920 reached out for help necessarily. Cause sometimes I think we're like so anxious to reach out for help

00:59:48.820 and we don't really need help. We just need to think about it for a minute. Yeah. Like, do you

00:59:55.260 agree with that? Like sometimes I think, well, and I see this in the Facebook group all the time,

00:59:58.760 people pose these questions and I'm like, well, you already know the answer, right? And guys are like,

01:00:04.220 William, it's like, well, so what are you doing? You already know the answer to that. And I know

01:00:09.980 the answer to being patient. Yeah. I, I struggle with this. I, I thought about this a lot. Like,

01:00:17.780 what is the difference? When does someone go from intellectually understanding something

01:00:23.200 and then like, and I don't even know the term for it, but there's, it seems to me that there's a

01:00:30.000 difference between intellectually knowing the answer and getting it. Like that's wisdom. Like I know

01:00:37.020 and that's wisdom. And I think, yeah, let me, let me just tell you and then keep going. Cause I want

01:00:42.160 to hear, but intellectual wisdom is information. You're, you're knowledgeable, but you're not wise.

01:00:48.020 Yeah. Okay. Wisdom is the next tier. It's being able to apply practical information.

01:00:55.680 Yeah. So the only reason we can be wise is because we have experience. Wisdom only comes with

01:01:01.520 experience. That's why a college grad, although they're educated, they aren't wise. They've never

01:01:06.400 applied it. And so they go into this fortune 500 company and they say, well, we should do it this way.

01:01:10.460 And the guy looks at him like, you're an idiot because he has 30 years under his belt of wisdom,

01:01:15.080 practical application of knowledge. Anyways, proceed. Yeah. So, but what, what I struggle

01:01:21.060 with is I think some guys ask and they might intellectually understand, but they're not

01:01:27.040 bought into it. Like they're not, it's not causing action. It like I've, I've had moments in my life

01:01:34.600 where literally I intellectually understood something. And then the next moment, like I was different,

01:01:40.700 not because I did anything. It's just, I comprehended it differently. Like it, it changed me.

01:01:46.180 And I, and I wonder sometimes that guys ask those questions, they intellectually know the answer,

01:01:52.340 but they're not connected to it. And, and they're, they're looking for that level of like confirmation.

01:01:59.440 And, and I don't know what causes that switch to flip if, or if that's such a thing. I don't know.

01:02:04.580 Yeah. No, you're maybe this is a weirdness of Kip, but no, no, I actually think a lot of guys deal

01:02:11.100 with this. I think you're dead on. So when I was shaking my head, no, I wasn't like, you're wrong.

01:02:15.100 I was like, no, here's what they need. They need a guy who is more action oriented than

01:02:23.140 philosophically oriented. Maybe is the right way to say it to say, get off your ass and just go put

01:02:30.060 it to work, like test it. Yeah. And I've had a lot of guys who were very intellectual reach out to me,

01:02:36.500 Ryan, how do you start a podcast? You start the podcast. Yeah. Well, I was going to use,

01:02:41.180 I was going to use this provider. Is that the best? Yeah, it's the best. Well, how do you know? I don't.

01:02:46.600 Because it's a provider. Yeah.

01:02:51.100 Like when we were going back to shirts, the shirts that you had, the shirts that you have,

01:02:56.100 that brotherhood shirt, that's the second iteration. You actually, I don't think you have

01:03:00.200 the first order of man shirt. Yeah. I've heard about, I mean, you shared this story,

01:03:04.440 like the other one, you had to rip off the shelves kind of burn them. It's yes. It's I think one guy,

01:03:10.380 I've seen one floating around. It's a friend, Dave Howard has one and he wears it every once in a

01:03:14.440 while. And every time I see it, I'm like, I'm going to beat you up, man. You take that shirt off and

01:03:19.540 you throw that shirt away, but it's a reminder. It's actually a good thing. It's a reminder.

01:03:23.400 It's a Gildan shirt, which are the shirts that they, that the city gives you away after you

01:03:27.860 do the three K, the city three K for Halloween or whatever. You guys all know what I'm talking

01:03:32.540 about. Cardboard, cardboard, cotton. It's over, it's baggy and it doesn't fit right. And you look

01:03:38.160 like a child in it. You guys know exactly what I'm talking about. And the order of man logos on the

01:03:44.380 front, it's super big and ugly and yellow, yellow. Like this like weird mustery, like orangish

01:03:50.400 yellow. I'm like, that's the wrong color. Okay. So, but we've evolved. And so this is the process

01:03:57.780 of evolution is that you have to do it. You don't get to fast forward. You don't get to peek behind

01:04:05.500 curtain C without going through step B. You know, in fact, you don't even know curtain C is there

01:04:10.880 until you go through step B. Yeah.

01:04:13.060 So when, when we have these philosophically oriented people, what they need is somebody

01:04:18.700 who's not philosophically oriented, but is more action oriented. And also when you have an action

01:04:25.100 oriented guy, and this is why you and I have a good partnership on this podcast in the iron council.

01:04:29.540 When you have an action oriented guy like myself to mix that with somebody who happens to be a little

01:04:35.740 bit more thoughtful, like yourself. That's why this works. Right. Because you need to, to,

01:04:43.340 I don't want to say throttle, but it's almost like a governor a little bit. And it's like, whoa,

01:04:47.660 whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up. Let's dial this in. I'm like, no, no, no. That was like two weeks ago.

01:04:52.640 Like, let's go onto this thing now. That's what I need. I recognize that. And so we need each other.

01:04:58.180 Yeah. Yes. Our partnership and other people. If, and you'll know this, if you're an overthinker,

01:05:03.300 you know, you're an overthinker. So how do you solve it? You stop overthinking. Yeah.

01:05:10.800 But I don't know if it's the right thing to do. Right. Yeah. You don't. You're exactly right. So

01:05:14.440 you, so you do it and you find out, you test it. Oh, what if I lose money? You will. You will.

01:05:23.460 What if I, what if I don't do it right? Yeah. You, you won't actually do it right,

01:05:27.660 but you won't know until you do it.

01:05:29.660 And one of the, a phrase that I love, and I don't remember where I got it from was change

01:05:37.080 your perspective of, instead of trying to be the person that's right, be the person that will find

01:05:43.120 the right answer. And, and I really liked that because that means, okay, stop thinking, but I'll

01:05:49.680 find the right answer, but it's going to require action and time or whatever. And I'm, I'm not going

01:05:53.720 to be hung up on, is this the right way and thinking too much. Right.

01:06:00.680 Yes. Yes. I understand what you're saying. That's hard for me to even fathom why that's a difficult

01:06:05.500 thing. Cause like, I think about it and I'm like, somebody could come and tell me and say, Hey,

01:06:11.240 Ryan, you're going to crash and burn and like fall into that fiery pit. And I'm like, yeah,

01:06:16.420 but it's going to be awesome when I do it. You know, it's like, I want to see what will happen.

01:06:22.140 I actually want to see it. Me jump off the cliff into the fiery pit. Like that's going to be that

01:06:28.780 like, what a way to go. That's my mentality. So yeah. Which is so hard, right? Cause I'm like,

01:06:34.380 wait, let's map this out. Let's figure out the best approach. No map. Yeah. Go as hard as you

01:06:39.800 freaking can, as fast as you can, as long as you can and jump and see if you make it to the other

01:06:46.260 side. And look, I also acknowledge and recognize that not everything is a fiery pit of death and

01:06:53.060 very little actually has any sort of long-term lifelong negative ramifications to your health

01:07:00.460 and, and prosperity, you know, like, so I was out a couple of thousand dollars cause we made some

01:07:05.760 some shitty t-shirts and okay. What, like what else? That's it. Okay. Like, so what? It's not

01:07:13.780 that big a deal. It's really not. Especially I had a friend of mine, her name is Renita Parrish. And

01:07:18.660 she used to say, she used to say something and I'm paraphrasing something to the, along the lines of,

01:07:24.600 is this going to matter in three days? If the answer's no, I mean, I'd even shorten it up.

01:07:32.440 Is this going to matter in three hours? If the answer's no, then don't worry about it. Just do

01:07:38.340 it. It's fine. Yeah. I need to work on that stuff, man. I get hung up on things way too easily.

01:07:46.100 All right. One more question. I think, I think this is a good one, man. We have so many good

01:07:49.780 questions. I know we only got, I love the banter answers or whatever. I love the banter, but I'm like,

01:07:55.140 man. Um, all right. So Darren Hahn, how do you deal with the darkness inside of oneself?

01:08:04.980 That's, that's the power, man. Embrace it. That's the power. The darkness is the power.

01:08:12.100 Every shitty thing that's happened in my life. I'm better because of it. And I use it like that's

01:08:18.740 the, that's the power. Let's, let's take the, like, let's take the most horrific thing I could

01:08:24.000 possibly think of. You were raped when you were a child. That's pretty horrific. Yeah. That's dark.

01:08:32.880 That's some dark stuff. And I know people, I know men who have a lot of men actually who have been in

01:08:37.400 that situation. In fact, we had a podcast guest tank came on. He talked, that's why that podcast did so

01:08:42.780 well. So many of you resonated with, so let's take that. I would say that's pretty dark. Wouldn't you?

01:08:46.620 Yeah. Hell yeah. And he sent me message after message, after message, after message. And he

01:08:54.080 told me about everything that you guys sent to him. He said he had a person that he had known for a

01:08:59.640 while and came up to him and said, and it was a Colonel in the military came up and said, Hey,

01:09:04.860 you know, and he served with him because he was in the Marine Corps. And he said, um, man, I listened

01:09:09.960 to that podcast and you shared some things and I'd never told anybody, but I actually went through the

01:09:14.640 same situation and I've never told anybody and I've never released it until you shared it on that

01:09:21.140 podcast. That's the power, man. So you could hide it and you could bury it and you could cover it up

01:09:30.020 and not want to address it. And I certainly understand why you'd want to do that. Or you

01:09:36.240 could say, you could say, you know what, there is darkness and there is evil and there is pain

01:09:42.660 and suffering. There are dark days and dark times in my life. Everybody's gone through them to varying

01:09:49.640 degrees and I could cover it all up or I could say, yeah, that was bad. And I'm better because of it.

01:09:59.960 And I'm going to serve other people and I'm going to get lost. I take Tim Ballard with a underground

01:10:06.920 railroad, operation underground railroad. That's some dark shit, man. Child sex trafficking that the

01:10:16.240 fact that that's happening in 2020, that's dark. And who does he get? He gets the baddest ass operators

01:10:24.960 on the planet. And he goes in and he infiltrates these circles and he rescues children. That guy is

01:10:32.240 dark. I guarantee that guy is dark. I guarantee he's dark. I've had him on the podcast and he was a very

01:10:38.220 kind and friendly person. I guarantee he has some very dark places and corners of his life and some

01:10:45.360 stories and some situations that he hasn't allowed to define him. In fact, well, maybe in a way he's allowed

01:10:51.900 them to define him, but he's crafted it and he's molded it and he shaped it and he's harnessed it.

01:10:57.500 And the best analogy I can use is he's leashed it, right? He's put it on a leash and now he's in

01:11:03.480 charge, not the other way around. Yeah. So you have a couple of choices in dark times. You can wallow in

01:11:11.600 your own self-pity and I think there's probably a time for that to mourn and to grieve. I think there's

01:11:19.180 a time for that. And then there's a time to say, okay, all right, now what? What do I do now? And not

01:11:30.100 hide it. That's part of you. Not the pretty part. It's not the fun part. You have those times too, but it

01:11:37.680 is part of you and you can't get rid of it and you can't cover it up forever. So use it, use it.

01:11:46.600 If we use an example from Goggins, taking souls, and I don't think Goggins addresses this in his

01:11:55.740 book. At least I don't remember it. When is taking souls to you take it too far from your opinion?

01:12:03.360 Because, and that's like intentionally being dark, right? It's not like being dark in the moment to

01:12:09.720 actually like accomplish something. Is there a moment where us focusing on that darkness, you feel

01:12:16.560 like serves us, uh, in an ill way?

01:12:21.060 Goggins is dark, man.

01:12:23.040 Yeah.

01:12:24.380 He's got a big chip on his shoulder and he's mad at a lot of things. And he said to me,

01:12:31.900 sitting him, knee to knee, shoulder to shoulder in a hotel room in Las Vegas. He said,

01:12:36.140 it is not easy being Goggins. He's a different, he's a different breed, man.

01:12:43.780 Yeah. Um, and he would look, he talks about it. Yeah. He tore himself up physically because of that

01:12:51.920 chip on his shoulder. Cause he felt like he had something to prove. And, and he, and he even

01:12:55.800 thought he thought when he was younger that, that, that, that a bunch of people were discriminating

01:13:00.360 against him because he was black. And he's like, yeah, there's maybe three assholes. He said something

01:13:04.080 like that. And he's like, I thought it was everybody's like, there's maybe three. He's

01:13:08.280 got a very big chip on his shoulder. And in a lot of ways it served him. And in a lot of ways it

01:13:14.780 hasn't, you know, you're going to have struggled relationships, strained relationships, certainly

01:13:20.960 strained business practices. Like it's not going to go well unless those things are in alignment.

01:13:26.920 They haven't, we talked about that earlier. There has to be an aligning of factors,

01:13:30.980 which is, this is a bad situation. Here's what I want. Here's what other people think of me or what

01:13:38.360 I think of them. And all of that stuff has to be in alignment. And if it gets out of whack and you

01:13:43.560 start to get too heavily weighted towards one or the other. So I had, uh, Shane Dorian on the podcast

01:13:49.860 yesterday, I just released, he's a big wave surfer guys. A lot of you guys listen to it. And I'm

01:13:55.260 thinking about it from this perspective. If you're on a surfboard and you're surfing down a 70 foot

01:14:00.100 wave, which is the biggest wave that he said he had ever surfed. That's insane to think about.

01:14:06.520 So he's surfing down this 70 foot wave. If he gets too heavily planted on his back foot or front foot

01:14:14.060 or left or his right foot, he's dead, literally dead. And so when you notice yourself going,

01:14:25.260 too heavy one way or the other, you adjust, you pivot, lost your lights there.

01:14:30.980 I know sensor. Hold on. Keep going. You adjust or you pivot. And so when you're factoring in all

01:14:37.760 these considerations about how to use this darkness, if you're getting too dark and it's

01:14:43.180 actually becoming a detriment and it's actually hurting you or those around you, then you've taken

01:14:48.340 it too far and you got to back up. And so what would you say, put an order of man twist on this,

01:14:55.520 the importance of, of vision and the importance of after action review of when you are taking souls,

01:15:03.800 if you want to use that term, did it, what went well, what did not go well? How's that alignment

01:15:09.640 with, with who I am attempting to become as a man and in line with my vision and then pivot

01:15:15.680 accordingly? Right. Cause that's what keeps you in line. That's what keeps you focused. That's what,

01:15:20.920 that's the litmus test, right? So here's the straight line and I'm pursuing this.

01:15:27.220 I'm getting off course. Oh, got to get back on course. Oh, I'm getting off this way. Oh,

01:15:30.820 got to get back on course. And that's your true North. That's your line that you're trying to find.

01:15:36.320 And so when you deviate, like we know it in, in, in our religion is, as the, the iron rod,

01:15:43.280 right? That's, that's what it is. You hold tight to it. And then when you deviate, you correct it

01:15:49.660 quickly because the longer you wait to correct, the further you get away from that path. And so we

01:15:55.180 correct. Oh, got off course. Correct. Got off course. Correct. How do you correct? Again, I'll go back

01:16:00.440 to our, to our doctrine of the gospel, the iron rod. How do you correct? You pay attention to the

01:16:06.080 doctrine, the scripture, and then you put yourself in an environment that embraces that iron rod.

01:16:14.100 It's the same thing with the jujitsu path. When you start deviating, what do you do? You go back to

01:16:19.140 class. Or if you're lifting and trying to get healthy and you decide I'm going to eat all the

01:16:24.480 chips and salsa in the bowl of ice cream. Okay. That's natural. It's going to happen. And what do

01:16:28.940 you do? You get back on as quickly as you possibly can by getting rid of the ice cream out of the house,

01:16:33.980 by finding people who are healthy, by making good choices, and you get back on the path as quickly

01:16:38.600 as you possibly can. You're always going to deviate. If you're on a flight from here, I'm in

01:16:43.540 Maine to LA. If I just took a singular path and I just hit cruise control, don't adjust, just go.

01:16:49.700 The wind and the forces and the barometric pressure and everything else is going to naturally

01:16:54.440 push me off course. It's going to, it's going to happen. But the plane is making micro adjustments

01:17:00.760 every second, just little minor, minor adjustments. Oh, adjust, adjust, adjust, adjust. Because if I

01:17:06.900 didn't, I'd be in Oregon or in Mexico before I ever hit LA. Yeah. Got to make those little micro

01:17:13.360 adjustments along the way, according to, like you said, the vision that you have for yourself.

01:17:17.100 That's the true, the true North. Yeah. And that after action review, I think sometimes we might

01:17:22.980 coast along. Like if you use jujitsu as an example, I might go, well, I'm going to class

01:17:27.620 and I'm training. So I'm on, on the path and that's not necessarily true, right? Look of late.

01:17:34.560 Good point. I go train and then I'm, I'm evaluating how I'm training, right? Is this,

01:17:40.980 is this style of training serving me? Well, is this what's best for me? Is this what's best for

01:17:46.780 my teammates? Should I be more aggressive? Am I being too passive? Do I need to be quicker on the

01:17:52.140 draw? Like, am I just, you know, taking the steps, but, but not being intentional? You know what I

01:17:59.200 mean? With how I'm training. And, and so, and I pivoted, like I've had that conversation with a

01:18:04.400 couple of the guys that I train with where we look at how we're training and, and it's, you know,

01:18:09.280 Marcus. And I was talking to Marcus and I was like, Marcus, that, um, that weak guy that I trained

01:18:16.560 with, or I just like, yeah, kind of just tossed him to and fro. And he kind of just rolled over

01:18:21.480 and tapped every couple of seconds. That's that guy, right? Oh, I lost, I lost your connection.

01:18:28.420 No worries. No. Yeah. That weak guy. Yeah. That weak guy that wants to keep training with you. I

01:18:33.940 don't know why. Yeah. Cause he's running your mouth. He wants to, he wants to learn from me.

01:18:38.220 That's, that's what he wants. Show me your ways. Yeah. But, but I was talking to Marcus and I was like,

01:18:43.560 Hey Marcus, I'm like, I think we're being too easy on the lower belts. You know, we came up

01:18:49.760 through the ranks and no one, no one in ahead of us gave us any, anything. They never gave us an

01:18:56.900 inch. It was hell. I hated training with half my teammates. Cause I was like, this is going to be

01:19:02.400 so miserable. And I actually think that the next group of us have kind of been a little bit passive

01:19:07.700 aggressive and we have lower belts that are, to be honest with you, cocky and have some pride.

01:19:14.000 And they're like training going with this mentality of like, Oh yeah, man, I caught you. That was cool.

01:19:18.600 I've never done that before. And we're like, Oh, you misunderstand. Yeah. Right. Like we're

01:19:24.960 obviously not doing our job, humbling you well enough because you actually do think you're catching

01:19:29.380 people, you know, and they're, you're not like, you might be because I gave you my back. Cause I'm

01:19:35.860 working on something else. And so, so we've had that conversation of like, you know what guys,

01:19:39.660 we need to lay down the hammer a little bit. Cause we have some guys like thinking they're all the

01:19:44.340 shit in reality. And there's, there's some pride coming up the ranks and there needs to be a lot

01:19:49.680 more humility happening. I agree. I think there's a line though, right? Like there is a line where you

01:19:55.980 just beat the shit out of them. And here's, so here's where I've been guilty of what I've been

01:20:02.260 guilty of. I, sometimes I default to what I'm good at. And so it's like, I get a submission

01:20:08.300 and I submit the guy and I'm like, like that. I know how to do that. Why would I even go for

01:20:15.700 that submission? Like, why would I even do that? I know how to do that. I'm good at that. Like

01:20:20.960 that I I've, I've trained that or extra, you know, it's like, so don't do that. That's not

01:20:25.420 going to help you. It's not going to help the other guy either just to pound on them. Okay. So,

01:20:30.400 okay. You got them. And I've been in situations. I'm trying to be a little bit more mature about

01:20:34.200 this as I, as I develop and evolve is like, okay, I got you. Like, I'm not going to crank on your

01:20:39.520 neck right here. Okay. Like, so I let go before he taps, even though I felt like it got, because

01:20:44.800 you know, it's like, I got it. It's done. Let's just keep training. I don't want to stop. Let's

01:20:49.060 just keep training. Let's just keep going. And I think that's an evolution of maturity, you know?

01:20:53.680 So we, we all got to get to that point of like, when am I going too hard? When am I going too

01:20:59.040 light? And I think that goes back to what we were saying of, and your point of the after

01:21:03.520 action is constantly evaluating. So you're evaluating, you're going too late. Okay.

01:21:08.020 And here's the risk to your adjustment kit. Your risk is that you actually go too hard,

01:21:12.760 right? That's the risk. Yeah. And then, and you probably will. Yeah. And then, so then you adjust

01:21:18.560 back. And this is actually what we were talking about. I think it was a couple of weeks ago with

01:21:22.580 a nice guy thing. And I, and guys are like, well, what do you do if you're a nice guy? And I'm like,

01:21:25.780 you actually have to experiment with being an asshole. Yeah. You have to, you have to play in those

01:21:31.400 waters. Figure out where that boundary is a little bit. Yes. Because you don't know what

01:21:35.240 the line is until you go to either side and realize, Oh, too far. Oh, too far. And then you

01:21:40.500 find out where that, that like neutral zone is, you know, the right, the right zone, but you're

01:21:46.620 always figuring out where that boundary is. Yeah. Yeah. Love it. All right, man. All right. Let's wrap

01:21:54.060 it up. Take us home. Wrap it up. All right. So these questions, we filled it from Facebook. Join

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01:22:09.440 at order of man's.com slash iron council. Um, you know, we started the conversation. I don't

01:22:16.120 know. And I feel like we, I kind of re we repeat ourselves every week, but I mean, I don't

01:22:22.120 know, this conversation is so important, so important, you know, your, your interview

01:22:27.020 with tank, um, you know, the interview that got released today with the big wave surfer.

01:22:32.420 I mean, these are, this is critical and it, and it, and I think we're in alignment or

01:22:38.360 order of a man's alignment with the American way, right. With not being a victim, taking

01:22:43.660 responsibility, you know, having sovereignty. And, uh, one of the best ways that you guys

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01:23:01.200 to people in your families and your communities and, and banding with like-minded men. We've

01:23:07.040 also alluded to this as like some of the questions earlier around, you know, you talked about the

01:23:13.900 iron rod and surrounding yourself. Well, that's what the iron council is. Yeah. Right. That's

01:23:18.600 what this podcast is for you. And I, despite whoever's listening, it's that way for me,

01:23:24.440 right. Where I reset and I go, you know what? Yes, I'm in alignment. Yes. That supports,

01:23:29.440 you know, the direction in which I need to go. These are the type of men that I need to need

01:23:34.020 to have around me to sure up, um, where I am weak, but also to help guide me in the, in the

01:23:40.860 direction that's in alignment with my vision of who I need to be as a man. So, so however you guys

01:23:46.540 see it band with us, whether it's through Facebook, whether it's to the iron council

01:23:50.380 or subscribing and sharing this message, cause it's, I think it's more important now than it

01:23:54.780 ever has been, at least in our lifetime. Definitely. There is one correction I have

01:23:59.300 to make Kip to what you said. You said that this, this way of, of individual, you know,

01:24:04.660 liberty and, and sovereignty is the American way. It's the man's way.

01:24:10.500 Yeah. I like it. I like it. It's the man's way. As I just wrote off all our guys in Australia,

01:24:17.960 UK and Canada. Sorry. These guys know, no, these guys who are in the UK and Australia and Canada,

01:24:24.100 wherever, South America. I mean, we're, we're spanning the entire globe. These guys know

01:24:29.840 that this is not the American way, that this is the man's way. And when men step up this way,

01:24:35.660 we take responsibility, we take accountability, we assert ourselves into the situations which

01:24:41.040 need us. That's not exclusive to this country. That is the phenomenon. I guess you'd say that

01:24:50.520 is the way of men, frankly, to, to steal from Jack Donovan. It's, it's the man's way. This is

01:24:57.080 how we do it. So we're glad that you're here. We're glad that you're with us. The world needs it.

01:25:01.320 Obviously America needs it, but the world, the entire world needs you to step up in the way that

01:25:05.040 you're stepping up. So Kip, appreciate you brother guys. Appreciate you. Uh, we'll be back

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