Order of Man - March 04, 2026


The 'Let's Find Out Mentality, Establishing Boundaries, and Controlling the Controllables | ASK ME ANYTHING


Episode Stats


Length

58 minutes

Words per minute

185.8728

Word count

10,816

Sentence count

781

Harmful content

Misogyny

8

sentences flagged

Toxicity

8

sentences flagged

Hate speech

5

sentences flagged


Summary

Summaries generated with gmurro/bart-large-finetuned-filtered-spotify-podcast-summ .

In this episode, we discuss the importance of questions and how to answer them. We talk about how we often miss the point of the questions we are asked and how we can address them in a more thoughtful way. We also talk about some of the challenges we face when it comes to answering questions.

Transcript

Transcript generated with Whisper (turbo).
Misogyny classifications generated with MilaNLProc/bert-base-uncased-ear-misogyny .
Toxicity classifications generated with s-nlp/roberta_toxicity_classifier .
Hate speech classifications generated with facebook/roberta-hate-speech-dynabench-r4-target .
00:00:00.000 It's interesting when you ask men what's important to them and they say,
00:00:03.180 oh, my family's important, my health is important, my career, my financial success is important.
00:00:08.720 I'm like, cool, pull up your calendar and pull up your bank account, show me.
00:00:12.260 And you look at their calendar and they say their family's important,
00:00:14.860 but there's nothing on the schedule for kids' games or time with the kids or a vacation with
00:00:19.460 the kids. It's like, well, I thought you said your family's important. Well, yeah,
00:00:22.260 they're important, but like I have these other things to do. It's like, okay,
00:00:24.760 so they're not as important as you're saying. Or they'll say their health's important. I'm
00:00:27.760 like, cool, jump on the scale. Kip, what's up, man? So good to see you. Looking forward to,
00:00:34.380 we got some good questions from Facebook and we got some great questions over in the Iron Council,
00:00:38.360 I believe as well. So looking forward to digging into these today.
00:00:42.520 Yeah, me too, actually. I was looking over these during my morning workout and I'm like, man,
00:00:47.160 great questions again. And we said this last week, the questions from the guys were solid.
00:00:52.060 So props to you guys for getting some good questions in for us to discuss. And I'm
00:00:57.740 always interested. I know it sounds funny for me to say this because we've, we've addressed
00:01:01.920 questions for how many years now? Yeah. Maybe nine, eight years, nine, probably eight or nine.
00:01:08.100 That's right. A long time. And even now I still like, Hmm, I wonder, like, I'm interested in hearing
00:01:14.280 what you have to say and what comes out of some of these questions, even after so many years. So
00:01:18.860 yeah. And yeah, it's, we do get some repeats, like we get themes, but a lot of the questions
00:01:24.380 that we get are, they tend to be new. And, and I agree. I don't know if we're just, we laughed
00:01:28.900 everybody out who was asking dumb questions and what's left is the guys who are asking more
00:01:33.440 sophisticated questions or if the issues are deeper or we're just getting older. So other guys 0.64
00:01:38.840 are getting older and they're asking more mature questions. I don't know. I don't know what it is,
00:01:42.260 but it does seem like that to me too. Let me ask you this. Isn't it interesting, or I find it
00:01:48.080 interesting that perhaps the themes that show up in questions are more about where we are in life
00:01:54.380 than it is actually the question itself. Have you seen that, right? Where you're focused in on a,
00:02:02.260 well, sometimes we focus in on a subject, right? So let's say, you know, you're hyper focused on
00:02:08.320 being self-aware and what's required to drive self-awareness. And then people ask questions and
00:02:13.860 you're like, ah, self-awareness is the answer, right? And it's more about where I'm at and what
00:02:19.280 I'm focused on than really the trend of the questions themselves. Yeah. I mean, that's probably
00:02:25.820 true. It also makes me wonder now that you say that how many times we misrepresent questions and we
00:02:30.640 hear what we want to hear because we're focused on an answer that we already have to the question.
00:02:35.560 And that's actually part of the reason that I do like to do it off the cuff a little bit,
00:02:40.140 as opposed to actually go in and know exactly what those questions are ahead of time. But it is
00:02:46.080 interesting because last week there was a couple of questions that stumped me that I hadn't thought
00:02:50.880 about. And I'm like, oh man, maybe I should research and prepare a little bit more, but then
00:02:56.500 it's just not as organic. It's not like a conversation. I don't go into a conversation with a
00:03:00.800 friend. I'm like, Hey, bud, I've got a list of 10 topics and points that I wanted to talk with you
00:03:05.100 about today. It's like, no, you just go over and shoot the breeze and catch up. And I kind of like
00:03:09.060 that, that stuff too, but you're probably right. We probably do not just with questions, but in life
00:03:15.660 filter what people are saying to us and what we see around us and the experiences that we have
00:03:21.860 through the lens of what we're currently dealing with. Absolutely. Yeah. It's interesting. It has a
00:03:27.360 name. This has a name. It's, it's the analogy of you're deciding to drop, you know, buy a Ford
00:03:33.600 pickup. And all of a sudden now you see Ford pickups all the time. That that's really what
00:03:37.320 we're talking about. Whatever that is called. Do you remember? Well, there's, yeah, there's
00:03:41.260 reticular activation, I believe is one thing. I think that's what it's called reticular act. I could
00:03:45.940 be wrong, but you guys can look it up. But I think that's what it is, is that, yeah, like you said,
00:03:50.600 I'm going to go buy a Ford Raptor. All of a sudden, everybody has a Ford Raptor. It's like,
00:03:54.180 no, everybody already had one before. Now you're just hyper aware of it. There's that,
00:03:58.980 but then there's also a confirmation bias too, right? Which is, which is a cognitive behavior
00:04:03.620 where we are looking to validate our own opinions and thoughts. And so we filter it through that lens
00:04:10.660 and everything begins to look like a hammer because we have a nail that needs to be nailed
00:04:14.720 in. Right. So. And what's so great about it. And then we have technology like Google and AI that
00:04:19.760 just even confirms us even more that we're in the right stage and geez, man, is it important
00:04:25.880 that we're self-evaluating? Well, and that's, that's what we're actually talking about in the
00:04:30.420 iron council this month. Well, for the month of March is, um, rethinking your position, which is
00:04:36.500 Rick, he does a great job on our, on our topics. He must've wrote this one directly for me. Cause
00:04:42.000 anybody who's knows me and who has spent any time or even interacted with me on social media
00:04:47.660 knows that what is my very principled stance in certain things. And that's a positive can become
00:04:55.740 stubbornness and digging in my heels in, in, in a negative manifestation of that trait.
00:05:02.500 Yeah. You actually don't know this Ryan, but there's like this whole sub web of the iron council
00:05:08.520 where men roll up feedback to Rick about what they, what you need to improve on as the founder.
00:05:15.380 And then, and then Rick builds the curriculum for you really. And we're all here just building
00:05:20.940 you. Yeah. I'll take it. You guys do a good job with it. So just keep it quiet and, uh, don't,
00:05:28.360 don't tell me, just deceive me. I'd, I'd much rather that be the case.
00:05:32.420 That's awesome. All right. So we're going to field questions. Let's let's hop into it, man. It's a
00:05:36.440 Shane Newman is our first a gentleman. What is one thing you have adamant, adamant, you are adamant.
00:05:45.040 Your children will know how to do that. You wish your father had taught you.
00:05:50.740 Hmm. I actually did see this one. And the thing that came to mind pretty quickly for me is that
00:05:57.540 I want my children to be able to take calculated risks. Now, my dad wasn't really in my life
00:06:05.020 permanently. You know, he's out of the picture by the time I was three, we always had a pretty
00:06:09.720 decent relationship. I'd go see him in the summer and spend time with him, but he was so talented.
00:06:15.020 He, he worked in paint. He was a salesman. People loved him. And I remember times where he felt like
00:06:21.500 he's, he had said, and maybe I'm just making this up, but it seems like he said he wanted to do things
00:06:25.740 on his own. He wanted to go out and start his own company, but he always worked with, um, big
00:06:30.940 distributors, paint suppliers, that sort of thing. And, oh, he was so gifted and talented when it came
00:06:37.400 to connecting with people, which is obviously a huge component of being a successful business owner.
00:06:44.320 And he never did it. And I don't know why, maybe he didn't want to fully. I mean, we never had this
00:06:49.840 conversation. Maybe he was just comfortable with where he was in life, but he never did it.
00:06:55.160 And I don't live like that. If I have an idea, if I have a, something that seems worthy of pursuit,
00:07:00.840 then I'm going to try it. And I'm going to put my money where my mouth is, and I'm going to take
00:07:05.080 a risk and I'm going to go big. And people will always say, well, you know, what if it doesn't
00:07:09.600 work out? What if it doesn't work out? What's okay. And, and then I pivot back to what I was doing
00:07:16.400 or pivot to something else, but what if it does work out? So I've always embraced, I think always,
00:07:22.920 yeah, I think I've always embraced this. Let's find out mentality is what I call it. So that when
00:07:29.680 your internal dialogue is saying, Oh, what if it doesn't work? It might not work. Maybe this is
00:07:35.420 not a good idea. Yeah. Maybe it's not, but let's find out. I would rather find out and go down in a
00:07:41.900 blaze of glory, then go down in a blaze of glory or not a blaze of glory, go down silently and quietly.
00:07:47.780 Yeah. So I want my kids to know that I want my kids to see it. I want them to know the risks.
00:07:55.340 I want them to be able to calculate risks and I want them to go big and bold in their lives towards
00:08:00.720 the pursuits they're excited about. Has that been conscious for you or subconscious? Like I was
00:08:07.300 thinking about this Shane's question is like, man, there's, there's elements of that I'm certainly
00:08:11.180 doing, but I never tied it to the fact that my dad didn't. Was that intentional on your part?
00:08:18.340 No, I don't, I don't think it was. I think it must, if anything, it was either my personality.
00:08:23.040 It's probably a bit of nature versus nurture, but if it was nurture, meaning I saw him doing
00:08:28.680 something that I thought he could have done better than it was subconsciously crafted in to who I am.
00:08:37.240 I don't think as a kid, I deliberately said, I'm not going to, I'm actually, but you know what?
00:08:42.220 I hear stories of guys who are, they're like, yeah, my dad was this way. And I just, you, you've
00:08:47.040 talked about it and I didn't want to be that way. Or I wanted to follow this, but I didn't want to
00:08:51.360 follow that. You've talked about consciously making those decisions. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I love this
00:08:57.560 question, Shane. It really causes me to like, what, what am I intentionally doing to, and making sure my
00:09:03.280 kids learn something and it's out of, in spite of, or the modeling from my father. And I haven't
00:09:11.880 never really thought about it. And this sounds a little cheesy, but the first thing is that they
00:09:16.560 know me. Like it was very interesting. I remember as a kid, I was talking with like a cousin or
00:09:25.580 something and your guy, and the, he said, man, your dad, he actually was a pretty good water skier.
00:09:30.500 And I'm like, I about died. I'm like, what? My dad's been on a boat. He had fun. What are you
00:09:39.240 joking? He's like, Oh yeah. He used to water ski a Paiute Lake. I'm like, no way. We're talking
00:09:44.860 about the same person because the man I knew all he did is farm. That's it. I never saw that guy to
00:09:52.940 go to a movie theater. I never saw him go to an event. I'm not even sure if I've seen him at a party
00:09:59.300 before, or even friends at the house. It was always, he's in the field and maybe someone drives
00:10:04.440 by and goes, talks to, talks to him and stops him on the tractor. And they chat a little bit. Like
00:10:09.000 that was the extent of like knowing him, if that makes sense. And so one thing is like, no, do my
00:10:15.680 kids know? I overly share where, what, where I was and stories about me and who I am. And it's not,
00:10:24.280 right. It's just connection. Right. I want to, I think I'm making sure that I have strong connection
00:10:29.520 with my kids. And the other thing that comes to mind, Shane, for me is, um, I don't know why it's
00:10:37.080 more so with my youngest than, and, and, but I, but there's an element of fighting. I never, I never,
00:10:42.840 I was never taught how to fight when, when I was a kid or how to defend myself. And, and, uh,
00:10:51.300 I don't know if anyone, I don't think I've ever mentioned this. I got in fights all the time,
00:10:56.540 all the time as a kid. Um, and nine times out of 10, I got my ass whooped. I didn't win any of 0.99
00:11:04.940 those fights. I got destroyed on a regular basis. We moved a lot when, as a kid. And I remember every
00:11:11.120 single time moving, I was like, all right, move. And I liked some girls and the, and a bunch of boys
00:11:16.660 hated me. Like that was like, what happens immediately. Right. And, and you'd, you'd have
00:11:21.200 to throw down eventually before you had any friends that were, that were boys is you had to
00:11:27.600 like prove yourself. It seemed like, and I hated it as a kid, but man, I had no idea how to defend
00:11:32.260 myself. And, and so there's an element of that for sure. And all my boys, they've all done jujitsu
00:11:37.360 at one point when they were younger, my older boys, and then I'm probably leaning it in a little
00:11:42.680 heavier on Koa. Um, and you know, and he has zero issues with physical conflict, which I'm,
00:11:52.840 I'm proud to say. Right. And it might be, I mean, I know, I know him too. And it might be some of his
00:11:57.600 personality. Like he's just a little fireball, you know what I mean? So it's hilarious. Like when he
00:12:03.620 plays with my older boys, like he'll go up and just like punch them and whack them with sticks. And 0.96
00:12:08.720 the boys are like, why is he, why is this kid bullying me? It's so funny. What's wrong with
00:12:12.220 this kid? Yeah. It's probably a little too much. Tell your boys, sorry. No, they think it's funny.
00:12:18.880 You dial it back. Well, and you know, Breckin, he's such a big kid in this little,
00:12:23.520 this little, what is he? Seven year old, seven years old now is like little seven year old is
00:12:27.660 like beating him up and bullying him around. It's so funny to me. Yeah. And Breckin's adding to it.
00:12:33.760 He's like, come on, you little, you know? Oh yeah. So it just invites it. Yeah. He eggs it on.
00:12:37.820 Yeah, that's right. All right. Uh, Daryl Hahn, could you talk about why so many men feel that
00:12:44.540 things, uh, life, et cetera, are out of their control? I don't feel that way anymore or any
00:12:50.960 longer, but for the long time I did. I actually think most things are outside of our control.
00:12:57.360 I mean, that's how I feel. Daryl's saying he doesn't feel that way. I guess you could look at
00:13:02.760 it in two different ways. There's, well, there's out of your control and there's out of control,
00:13:10.000 right? So those are almost two different things. This is outside of my control and this is out of
00:13:16.240 control. Those are two different phrases to me. Outside of your control means that you can influence
00:13:23.160 your health. You can influence your family dynamic. You can influence your career aspirations and you
00:13:29.460 should be influencing. Well, you are influencing those, whether you realize it or not, it's just a
00:13:33.760 matter of how, but out of control means that you aren't doing what you need to be doing in order to
00:13:41.820 stack the odds. And that's how I refer to it. Most of life is beyond your control, whether it's picking
00:13:49.540 up clients, growing a business, worrying about your health, but I can stack the odds in my favor.
00:13:54.500 Could I get sick at some point and develop terminal cancer? Absolutely. That happens to people who are 0.78
00:14:04.360 genuinely healthy too, but you can stack the odds. And I think if more men focused on not what is
00:14:13.580 outside of their control, but the things that are. So not worrying so much about the outcome of your
00:14:19.040 health, but living a healthy life, knowing that it will inevitably lead to better results for you.
00:14:26.860 I remember when I was doing my financial planning practice very early in my career,
00:14:30.980 I was so confused. I was frustrated. I wasn't growing the business. It was really difficult. And
00:14:37.980 I can't remember, I ended up partnering up with a mentor in the office and he was talking to me about
00:14:46.880 our daily activities. And he said, Ryan, just make 20 calls a day, just 20 calls per day and let the
00:14:54.460 rest take care of itself. Now, granted, you need to know our products and know strategies and learn.
00:15:00.240 Yes, absolutely. But if you just make 20 calls per day, then the rest of this will all sort itself out.
00:15:08.260 And lo and behold, as I made those phone calls and as I communicated with those potential clients,
00:15:13.980 everything else seemed to work itself out. So I'm a huge proponent of stacking the odds,
00:15:20.620 not worrying about the things that are out of our control and trying to get things back in control
00:15:26.240 by focusing on what we can do. Let's rephrase Daryl's question. If you don't mind, Daryl,
00:15:32.080 right? It's not so much, could we talk or could you talk about why so many men feel that things are
00:15:37.680 outside their control? Why do they focus on things outside of their control, right? Why is that the
00:15:44.460 focus, right? And I think that's what's valuable because you're right, right? Many things are
00:15:50.380 outside of our control, but I think what really Daryl's getting at, and it's a sense of disempowerment
00:15:54.780 and victim thinking is when people double down on what's outside their control, what's the human
00:16:00.280 behavior that causes people to focus their vote versus focusing on their health, on their wellbeing,
00:16:09.340 on their household, how they're showing up and their integrity? Why do I focus so much on everybody
00:16:14.800 else's? And, and I don't know if you want to answer that first, Ryan, but I have some thoughts on what
00:16:19.840 the human behavior is. Well, when you were saying that, you said it's, it's a sense of empowerment to,
00:16:24.980 to not focus on, to only focus on what you can control. I actually would contend, tell me what
00:16:30.740 you think of this. I would contend with that assertion a little bit. I actually think that
00:16:35.880 there is a perceived, perceived is the keyword, a perceived sense of empowerment in people playing
00:16:42.920 the victim and people focusing on things that are beyond their control. I mean, there has to be some
00:16:48.860 psychological benefit or human beings wouldn't do it. So what is the benefit? It's, it's perceived
00:16:55.640 empowerment. It's that I get to absolve myself of the responsibility of doing work and therefore I'm
00:17:01.280 free. It's not my fault. There's nothing I did or didn't do. And, and so a person could potentially
00:17:09.920 feel like they're empowered by that because the reality is that if you aren't experiencing the results
00:17:16.060 that you want in your life, largely it has to do with you. Now there might be isolated experiences
00:17:22.000 like you randomly lose your job and it has literally nothing to do with you. But if you get fired every
00:17:29.680 two years from your job for the past 10 years, then that 100% has to do with you. You were the only
00:17:36.360 common denominator in the equation. And so if you just say, Hey, the economy's bad. The president
00:17:42.260 inflation, my boss is a jerk. I was in the wrong thing. Nobody helped me. People were out to get 1.00
00:17:47.780 me. There was backbiting and infighting in the office. That's perceived empowerment. I'm power.
00:17:52.740 I'm good. No, it was nothing. I did. It was something somebody else or some other factor had in my life.
00:18:00.480 Yeah, I see that. I think it's just a use of the word differently. I think here's the key though,
00:18:06.100 is when people latch onto that, then they're being acted upon. This way of thinking is
00:18:14.500 things are happening to me. And even though it resolves me of responsibility, it starts getting
00:18:22.140 exhausting because it's like, why does this always happen? And this is happening. And there's a sense
00:18:28.300 of, I can't do anything about it. And that's where I latch onto the language of it is disempowered
00:18:34.300 because I feel hopeless. There's a sense of hopelessness in it. And so to your point, right?
00:18:41.160 Darrell, why do people do that? Because it's easier. It's way easier. If this doesn't work,
00:18:46.680 it's not my fault, right? If I got fired, there's nothing I could have done. I don't have to take
00:18:51.300 responsibility. I don't have to look in the mirror and address my shortcomings. That's the payoff.
00:18:56.780 And there's a sense of empowerment that comes or let's use maybe a different word. I don't know a
00:19:02.860 different word other than empowerment, but there's a sense of, I'm going to use it anyway. I can't
00:19:09.280 even think of another word for it, but there's a sense of empowerment when we focus on what we can't
00:19:14.840 control. Why? Because we're starting to move. What am I going to do about it? What are my options? And
00:19:20.400 then what is the by-product to add that? Growth. And that's the most biggest thing about this entire
00:19:26.840 conversation is if you don't self-evaluate, if you don't ever consider your responsibility in
00:19:35.100 something, then there is no growth for you. And this is why, Ryan, we've talked about this in the
00:19:40.840 past with other people. It's like one of the top things you can do when you get divorced, I don't
00:19:46.720 care how bad your spouse was. Figure out your role in it. Figure out your role in the divorce and what
00:19:56.880 you could have done different. And that's how you have a healthy relationship with difficult things.
00:20:01.860 That's how we can rewrite the script of a bad childhood, learn from it and become this awesome
00:20:07.560 version of yourself. And then you won't be upset about the past anymore. You'll look at the past and
00:20:12.500 go, I know it's kind of crazy and it was hard times, but man, I'm kind of grateful for it. Why?
00:20:18.060 Because it made me the man I am. Oh, that's how you step into empowerment regardless of past
00:20:26.140 experiences. I pulled up some synonyms for empowerment. And by the way, I wasn't contending
00:20:33.680 with the use of the word. I was just telling people that there's a perceived sense of empowerment.
00:20:42.500 Right. It's, but what you're talking about is actual empowerment, empowering yourself,
00:20:48.900 giving yourself the power. But when you don't do that, it's a perceived, it's a faulty sense of
00:20:54.500 empowerment. But here's a couple of words and I love words. Words are so important. Here's a couple
00:20:59.880 that come to mind. Well, I just pulled it up off chat GPT that I like. One is activation. That was a good
00:21:05.920 one. Mobilization. Oh, energizing. Sovereignty. I like this one. And I don't know why it's standing
00:21:15.260 out to me right now. Authority. And I like that word because I just, I'm looking at the root word,
00:21:20.540 which is obviously author. You are the author of your life. So take authority of it.
00:21:25.860 It gives you agency. Yeah. Agency, authority. Agency, yeah. It empowers you to own it. Those
00:21:31.520 are other words. Ownership, agency, dominion, command. So liberation, actualization. I don't
00:21:41.040 know. There's some cool thoughts in there, but yeah, I think we're on the same page, but yeah,
00:21:45.480 it's because it's easier. And yes, you are getting something from it. Otherwise you wouldn't do it.
00:21:50.140 Yeah. Yeah, totally. Great question, Daryl. Isn't Daryl such a great guy? I actually really
00:21:58.140 appreciate him in many ways. All right. Thomas Dollar, if you have a career that you love and
00:22:08.520 for him, it's firefighting, but also businesses that all have bigger earning potential, how do you
00:22:15.520 choose? The main thing that makes it difficult for me is that I want a better life for my business
00:22:20.840 ownership. But I also would be sad to say I'm not firefighter anymore if I made that choice. So I
00:22:28.020 guess simplified purpose versus monetary value. I mean, solid question. I know a lot of guys deal
00:22:33.540 with this. I'll give you some advice. One thing, one thing, one exercise I always encourage people to do
00:22:41.460 is we can do this because we're sentient conscious beings is we have the ability to
00:22:48.720 be self-aware so that we can project ourselves out to a future date and time. And even circumstance,
00:22:55.580 we could put ourselves visually in a different circumstance. So what I want people to do when
00:23:00.040 they're wrestling with this question is to put yourself out 20 or 30 years. And that 20 or 30 year
00:23:05.420 older version of you, I want now to look back on the last 20 to 30 years and ask yourself,
00:23:10.480 what decision would you be happy or fulfilled with that you made? Now it's not a, it's not a
00:23:18.400 science. It's just a reflective process that gives you a new insight and perspective that you probably
00:23:24.500 haven't considered yet. Looking back, what decision will you be happy that you made? That's, that's one
00:23:29.660 exercise I always encourage people to do. But the real answer to your question is that I don't agree
00:23:35.620 with the premise of it. You're presenting a false dichotomy. Yeah. You're saying that I can only
00:23:42.220 pursue purpose or alternatively financial prosperity and abundance. What's the third option? And here's a
00:23:52.460 few ideas for you. You can keep firefighting to the degree that you are, and you can start a business
00:23:57.460 on the side and do it in your spare time. And you can hire employees and you can teach and train your,
00:24:03.300 your people and business partners to do that business. So it's creating and generating potential
00:24:09.040 wealth for you. Maybe that business could even be that you are training firefighter, firefighters
00:24:16.660 online about a certain aspect of the vocation. And you're teaching them about how to use their
00:24:23.660 equipment properly and better, more efficient techniques for breaching doors. And maybe you
00:24:30.840 start running events where once a month or once a quarter, you bring 20 firefighters in
00:24:35.880 locally or regionally, and you bring experts in the firefighting arena. And you say, Hey,
00:24:40.540 we're having this guy and this guy and this guy come in and you charge a thousand or 1500 to bring
00:24:45.280 these guys in. And you do that once a quarter. Another option is maybe you say, Hey, I'm going to
00:24:51.920 actually go full bore into the business, whether it's firefighter related or not, I'm going to go all the
00:24:56.820 way into the business, but I'm going to volunteer at the local fire department. Um, once a month,
00:25:02.200 I'm just going to do volunteer firefighting, or I'm going to go, um, be on the search and rescue team,
00:25:07.480 you know, in my local area. And so you still have that attachment to it while you're over here running
00:25:13.180 the business. So I would just caution you and warn you a little bit, not to operate in the false
00:25:19.960 dichotomy, figure out a way to do both. And yeah, I know it'll take some time and it'll, there will be
00:25:29.160 a sacrifice that needs to be made. And so what? I mean, this is what I, we opened the conversation
00:25:36.400 with of taking a risk, putting yourself out there, being calculated and seeing where something really
00:25:42.280 powerful could potentially take you. But I would look for the, I would look for the third option in this
00:25:47.740 scenario coupled with the, um, reflection exercise I told you about. Yeah. I love that. I mean,
00:25:57.680 maybe even the firefighting ends up being part of the brand. Right. And, and the fact that you're a
00:26:03.100 firefighter and you have this company is what sells the company's brand is you being a firefighter. I
00:26:09.580 mean, so yeah, I mean, get creative, but yeah, there's a couple of organizations and man, I'm hesitant
00:26:16.460 to say this, but a guy by the name of Ryan Rodriguez, um, owns a podcast that is, I think teaches men's
00:26:23.180 leadership principles. And I'm, I'm going to butcher it, but I want to say it's called forged in fire.
00:26:27.520 He's a firefighter and he's taking his firefighting principles and he's teaching men how to be better
00:26:32.740 leaders through the principle he's learned through fighting fires. Uh, there's another one fit to fight
00:26:37.980 fire. Uh, John, John, I think is his name fit. I think it's called fit to fight fire. And he's a
00:26:44.420 firefighter in very, very good shape. I mean, you look at the guy and he's a physical specimen
00:26:48.940 and he goes around and he talks with firefighters in his podcast, in his brand about how to train
00:26:55.980 properly with their equipment on, with their mask on, with their oxygen tanks on. He's putting
00:27:00.720 together workouts for firefighters to do in their spare time. So there's a lot, there's a lot that
00:27:05.520 you can do here. Yeah. And just to reiterate it, if he stopped being a firefighter, it wouldn't sell
00:27:12.420 as good. Right. Like that's part of the deal, right? Like him being a firefighter is what is
00:27:18.540 making that possible or probably a little bit more appealing to that, right? To that niche. So
00:27:23.140 all right. Jay, uh, McKellen, McKelleny. Are you able to change your mind when new data overrides
00:27:33.580 previously believed evidence? Why would I do that? I already know everything.
00:27:37.900 Not easily. That's for sure. Yeah. Well, am I able to? Yes. Will I? Probably not.
00:27:50.160 Maybe for Jay, what are some tips, right? Like how do we, how do we, what are some ideas that you can
00:27:57.620 give the guys around overriding our previous beliefs when evidence, um, presents maybe that we
00:28:04.880 should, right? That there should be. Well, I would first ask yourself, what is the objective
00:28:10.360 in, in, in one aspect of life? What is the objective? So Pete Roberts, he founded Origin
00:28:17.180 and he's a business partner with Jocko Willink. And Pete told me this was years ago. I can't remember
00:28:23.240 exactly what we were talking about, but Jocko at the time was really the face of Origin and Jocko
00:28:28.480 Fuel. And he still is. And Pete is behind the scenes. He's a visionary. He's so intelligent,
00:28:35.240 very creative, thoughtful about how he does all this. He's a marketing genius, but he wasn't at
00:28:40.920 the time, the face of it. He is more involved in that now. And I, I asked him, I said, how do you,
00:28:46.960 how do you like handle disputes? How do you, if, if you guys don't agree on something, how do you
00:28:53.280 decide which direction to go? And he told me that Jocko is, is very humble in this way. And so is
00:29:01.580 Pete. I know that he said, Ryan, we know that the objective is to win. And that's the only thing that
00:29:09.180 matters. So whether it's my idea or his idea, or even a new hire's idea, if we think it'll help us
00:29:18.320 win, it doesn't matter who gets credit for it. It doesn't matter whose idea it was. It doesn't
00:29:24.260 matter if I'm offended because they didn't choose my idea. Our only objective is to win.
00:29:31.680 And I think if we do that, Stephen Covey talks about starting with the end in mind,
00:29:36.040 then I think we're going to be naturally more receptive to the things that are going to help
00:29:40.760 us win, whatever winning looks like for you. So if I'm with fatherhood, for example,
00:29:48.320 I want to raise self-sufficient human beings. That that's my objective. I've often said,
00:29:54.900 I want to render myself obsolete. That is my goal. And I will do whatever I need to do
00:30:01.060 to ensure that's the case. And that, if that means self-evaluation, if that means apologizing
00:30:05.700 because I dropped the ball or did it wrong, I apologize plenty of times to my kids, then that's
00:30:10.600 exactly what I'll do because my ego will keep me from accomplishing what I want to accomplish,
00:30:15.400 raising self-sufficient human beings. So that's part of it. What is the, what is the objective?
00:30:20.360 Start with the end in mind. The other part is surround yourself with people who you like and
00:30:26.340 who are credible. Because Kip, if you're in my orbit or I'm in your orbit and you're not credible
00:30:33.760 and, or I don't like you, I'm significantly less likely to take your advice. But if I think highly of
00:30:40.660 you, I respect you, I see how you're performing in your life, you have credentials because of the
00:30:47.340 way you're showing up with your family or your business or some aspect, I am much more open and
00:30:52.420 receptive to the things that you tell me, Kip, than some guy on the internet who I don't know a dang
00:30:58.460 thing about. That person has not earned that right to give me that advice. I just don't take it. It could
00:31:05.760 be right. I'm not saying it's not, but I'm going to take it with less weight than somebody in my inner
00:31:10.580 circle. And that's part of the reason it's so important that we as men build a band of brothers
00:31:16.300 of good men, righteous men, virtuous men, successful men, healthy men, family men, God-believing men,
00:31:24.260 because that's the advice that you're going to take. You're going to be open and receptive and
00:31:29.620 you're going to be open to influence from them. So make sure your circle is, is good. Make sure it's
00:31:34.920 tight. Make sure you're spending time in the right circles. That's going to have a huge impact on your
00:31:38.940 life. I love it. You know, the other thing that comes to mind, Ryan, is like just the power of
00:31:45.120 being a curious person. Just be curious. It's crazy to me how often, and maybe it's me, but I think a lot
00:31:55.660 of us do this is we, we operate usually always in this space of good, bad, shouldn't, should.
00:32:04.160 It was like, it should be this way or no, it should be this way. Nope. That's not, that's wrong. No,
00:32:08.280 this is right. And maybe we dial that back a little bit and just go, I don't know. Not enough
00:32:15.000 information. That's interesting. I'm really curious why. And just operate in this space of curiosity.
00:32:21.480 And I think that opens us up to learn and evolve and change, and then not tie everything to our
00:32:29.140 identity and our ego, right? A lot of the time when we are operating in this space of right and wrong,
00:32:35.380 it's, it's almost a self, a self validation that we're right and they're wrong versus neither.
00:32:44.940 I'm not really sure. I don't have enough information. I'm curious why they do that versus
00:32:48.920 why I do this. That's interesting. And, and detach that from your identity and maybe latch
00:32:55.680 onto this identity that, that we don't know, or I'm curious, you know, and then we can seek it out.
00:33:01.200 And I think that helps us not tie everything to, to our egos. I think that's a good, as you were
00:33:06.200 saying that one thing that came to mind is we've often heard the person asking the questions is the
00:33:11.000 one who's in charge or directing the conversation, right? And sometimes we, as men, I am notorious for
00:33:17.580 this want to show up as credible and powerful and the leader and the one in charge. And so it becomes
00:33:23.360 very directive as opposed to curious, but the opposite is actually true. The one asking the
00:33:29.980 questions is the one guiding and leading and directing the conversation in the tone of your
00:33:34.800 experience. So I never really put that together until you said that, but yeah, curiosity means that
00:33:40.640 you're actually the one in charge because you get to direct how conversations go, what information you
00:33:48.120 learn, the movement of an organization. I mean, even if you're asking your direct supervisor, if
00:33:54.360 you're asking the questions, you're dictating the tone of the conversation. And he, he is a secondary
00:33:59.980 role to that when you're asking those questions and you got to be careful how you do it. You don't want
00:34:04.020 to undermine authority or you don't want to ask like, for example, people will ask very disingenuous
00:34:11.140 questions and, and that manipulative. And one of the questions I often, I, I know what it is,
00:34:19.800 especially online. If anybody ever says and starts a question with, so, and then they give me their
00:34:28.160 question. I know they're not being, they're being disingenuous. It's not a legitimate question.
00:34:32.660 Yeah. You're making a statement and you're trying to make a point. You're not really asking the
00:34:36.500 question. Or, or either that, or you're about to either manipulate and misconstrue my words or
00:34:42.080 present an argument that I wasn't debating. It's a very, it's a very telltale sign that you're not a
00:34:47.840 serious, curious person. So what you're saying, no, not doing, I don't answer those questions
00:34:54.900 because I know what those questions are. Yeah. That's funny. All right. Travis Beattie,
00:35:01.900 do you have a recommended investment account that parents should open for their kids that can help
00:35:06.940 with college and their futures? Yeah. Like a, a educational safe. And that's been so long. Um,
00:35:12.940 what, what's a five 29 plan. Is that what it's called? Gosh, it has been so long. You're nerding
00:35:19.100 out now. I think it's a fit. Is that what it is? Yeah. Okay. Yes, it is. The five 29. That's actually a
00:35:25.380 pretty cool program. You have to look at how it works in your state, because I think if I remember
00:35:30.160 correctly, it's a, it's a, it's a state sponsored plan or state endorsed plan. I don't know that
00:35:37.480 it's a federal plan necessarily. Um, but that is to save for future educational costs. So that could
00:35:44.200 be college post-secondary education, K through 12 education, even student loan repayments. And the
00:35:50.660 cool thing about it is it's all tax deferred. So when you put money into the account and you'll have to
00:35:55.720 check your state for how much money you can put in, but you can put that money into this five 29 plan
00:36:02.300 and you can choose your investments inside of that plan. Um, and then when you pull it out, as long
00:36:07.640 as it's for qualified, uh, educational expenses, you can use it tax free. And again, check the
00:36:14.280 stipulations, work with your CPA, look at your state guidelines on this. As far as I understand,
00:36:20.180 if you have your son, your oldest son, let's say he decides he's not going to go to college.
00:36:26.700 If I understand correctly, you're able to change the beneficiary to another child. So if he, if he
00:36:33.160 doesn't qualify for these funds for education, then you can, um, transfer it to another, to another
00:36:40.620 child. So you could do that. That's one thing you could do. Um, another thing you could do is you
00:36:45.820 could actually gift your child a certain amount of money. And again, you're, I don't keep up to date
00:36:50.800 with this. So you're going to have to look at how much you can gift on an annual basis to your
00:36:55.420 children, but you can gift them. Let's say it's don't quote me on this, but let's say it's $4,000 a
00:37:01.220 year. You can gift that to them, put it in a minor. Um, uh, I think it's called a custodial account.
00:37:10.320 Again, like I'm so, I'm so rusty with all this stuff, but maybe a custodial account where it
00:37:16.540 grows and grows and grows. The downside of that is let's say you did that starting when they're
00:37:22.200 eight years old and now they're 18 and you've been putting in hypothetically $4,000 for 10 years.
00:37:28.240 That's 40 grand. Let's say it's grown to $55,000 over that time. When they hit 18 at custodial account
00:37:34.160 becomes theirs. So at 18, they're getting a $55,000 access to a $55,000 account in this scenario
00:37:43.920 and they can do whatever they want with it. So that's something to be aware of. The other thing
00:37:49.700 you could do is you could put your kid to work. I, I pay my kids and I pay them because they help me
00:37:57.280 with store orders. That's to be a legitimate thing, but I pay them. And then I talk with them about how to
00:38:02.360 save that money. I reduce my tax burden. I'm helping them learn about how money works and taxes and
00:38:08.100 everything else. And as long as it's under a certain amount, they don't pay taxes at all. But if it's
00:38:12.700 over a certain amount, it's going to be significantly less than what I pay in taxes. And that's like that,
00:38:19.700 that amount that you can pay them is significantly higher. So there's a few ideas. Yeah. I think it's
00:38:26.440 almost up to like 15,000. I was going to say 14 is what I was going to say. I don't know why 14 comes to
00:38:30.500 mine, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Good stuff. All right. John Marino. He says, I took a great
00:38:40.120 part-time job teaching basic electricity this past September. It was given to a top pay of the pay
00:38:48.000 scale for the job listing. That being said, I know it's a good $10 an hour lower than what I should be
00:38:54.280 getting paid. Regardless, I have thought about going in for a yearly review in September, but now
00:39:00.600 I'm thinking about asking for a review before the summer semester starts. One thing is for sure. I'm
00:39:06.620 not getting a review unless I advocate for myself. Wait a year or ask before summer semester. I'm
00:39:12.620 leaning before summer. I'm a little confused about the first part of it again. So read that again. I'm
00:39:18.060 just trying to wrap my head around that. Yeah. Yeah. I'll summarize it really quick. He he's
00:39:23.260 teaching, he's teaching electricity and they they're paying him at the top of this pay scale
00:39:30.580 of what the job listing was. However, he knows that regardless of that pay scale, he should be
00:39:37.200 probably being, be making more according to the market. And so he's like, Hey, should I ask for a
00:39:43.300 review now or wait? Um, until, I mean, if they're already paying the top of the pay scale, I don't
00:39:48.340 know how you know that, but maybe that's documented somewhere. They usually give a range. Yeah. They
00:39:55.200 usually give it a range if they're doing job postings and they're transparent. Yeah. So what is,
00:39:59.380 what is going to going in for a performance review going to do for you right now? I'm not saying don't
00:40:04.520 do it, but what you're saying is to go in for the performance review to ask for a raise. What if
00:40:08.180 you're capped out? Are you, but if, if you're not and there's upward potential with that, then I would
00:40:14.580 say, you know, yeah, go, go ask for a review, but don't go in it with the expectation. I mean, go in
00:40:22.680 it with what you want to get out of it, which in this case sounds like a raise. So, so what I would
00:40:27.320 do is I would go in and Kip, if I'm coming to talk with you, it'd be like, Hey boss, you know, I wanted
00:40:31.180 to sit down with you. I appreciate you taking time. Um, I just wanted to do a performance review. I know
00:40:35.980 where we're at on the pay scale and also know what I'm providing to the organization. And, um, I'd like
00:40:42.020 to talk with you about the possibility of an increase in pay. And I came prepared to tell you
00:40:47.760 why I think that's in your best interest and then just explain what, what you bring and, and, and how
00:40:54.080 it works and why it's so beneficial for the company and what's in it for you and let the chips fall where
00:40:59.800 they may. That's what I would do. Yeah. I mean, Joe, the reality of it is, is, you know, I don't
00:41:07.100 know how large the organization is right. That you're working for, but the amount of comp increase
00:41:12.740 has already probably been identified past December in regards to what their budgets are for increases.
00:41:20.500 So this isn't about what you deserve. This is also about what the company is allocated for that seat,
00:41:27.660 right? You might be worth 10 more, but guess what? They're willing to pay X. So what you're asking
00:41:34.960 for is not what they're willing to pay. Like, you know, so look at the bigger picture of it.
00:41:40.020 One thing's for sure. Do not wait and have this loaded approach to like, I'm going to go in
00:41:46.640 and have a review and get a pay raise. No, no, no. Today, schedule a meeting tomorrow and talk to
00:41:53.100 someone and say, Hey, I want to get a pay increase this year. Is that even possible? And what would
00:41:59.800 you need to see to feel good about it and to be able to justify it out of our budget and then work
00:42:05.900 into it? But you sideswip me like, you know, we're going throughout the year. And then all of a sudden
00:42:10.320 you come in with a PowerPoint presentation, telling me about how you deserve a raise. I'm annoyed.
00:42:14.940 Right. But if we had a conversation earlier in the year and you brought me on and said, Hey,
00:42:21.680 Hey boss, man, I really want to pay increase. I think I deserve it. But you tell me what do you
00:42:27.860 need to see to, so you feel good about it. And then you fulfill the requirements that I gave you for the
00:42:36.040 last six months. Now you're holding me accountable, right? To what I said I would do if you did what you
00:42:43.160 did. We, we have alignment officially, right? But right now you're, if you wait to do that all at
00:42:49.160 once, you're not aligned. You have expectations and they're not even aware of those expectations,
00:42:54.700 right? And you guys may not even be on the same page and may not even be an option. And so
00:42:58.680 you also don't want to be busting your tail for the last six months, right? And then go in and not
00:43:03.500 get the raise. It's like, you should know that upfront if they're even willing. And maybe you jump
00:43:07.440 ship and go somewhere else because it's not even an option for you. Well, and this is part of the
00:43:12.000 reason that I say you should always be networking. I tell people this all the time. People think that
00:43:17.140 they're so safe in their jobs and you are not either because you could get let go or because
00:43:22.160 you decide you don't want to be there anymore. Your job is not guaranteed. You don't have a right.
00:43:27.200 Some people say I have a right to fair and equal pay. What are you talking about? You don't have a
00:43:31.020 right to that. You have to go out and earn that. And one of the things that so many men often overlook
00:43:36.060 is this, this idea, they do it in marriage too. You know, guys get into marriages and they lose
00:43:42.780 their friends and they lose their hobbies and they start putting on weight and they don't do the
00:43:46.280 things that attracted them to their wife in the first place. Well, how'd you get the job? You knew
00:43:50.300 somebody and all of a sudden you get into a job and you're not happy or the company's not happy and
00:43:56.540 you get terminated or you decide to leave. And like, what's your backup plan? Do you know other
00:44:02.840 companies? Have you networked with other people? Do you know business owners? Are you well known in
00:44:07.180 your industry? If you're not, then that's scary. That's risk that you don't need to take. So always
00:44:13.520 be networking. But I was going to go back. It's interesting, Kip, because Jay earlier asked the
00:44:17.820 question, are you able to change your mind? And what information do you need to change your mind?
00:44:23.140 Well, here's a perfect example of it. What you said was way better than what I said. So if you guys
00:44:29.220 are listening to this, I like Kip's idea better. And that's where I'm changing my mind. The fact
00:44:33.720 that you're not going to go in there because my idea was like, oh, just go talk to him and tell
00:44:36.880 him. And you're like, well, hold on. Let's flank this a little bit. Let's be a little strategic about
00:44:41.160 this. And to me, that's way better advice than I gave. So I'm glad you brought that up.
00:44:47.540 Look at that. Changes his mind in line right here, just on the podcast. Let it be known
00:44:53.980 across the interwebs. Ryan Mickler. Hey, keep it up. And I'll ask Chad to just cut that whole part
00:44:59.160 out of the conversation, Kip. All right. You don't need to dance on my grave. Just say thank you.
00:45:04.520 That's all. Thank you. Appreciate it. Josh Sutton, have you ever had to lose a friendship because of
00:45:12.900 his wife's behavior? It has always seemed she wears the pants and is controlling of his life and his 1.00
00:45:19.020 views on life. They have even lost the relationship with their own parents over her behavior. Would 0.63
00:45:23.960 you try to reconcile the friendship? Well, I'm asking this with respect. It's not going to sound
00:45:33.280 super respectful, but why do you, why do you care about their dynamic? Is he your friend or is he not
00:45:40.240 your friend? I mean, talk, talk with your buddy or whatever and say, Hey dude, like, are you doing
00:45:45.440 okay? Like, it seems like things aren't going well within the dynamic of your relationship, but
00:45:49.780 I'm not quite sure how that translates to him not being a good friend. Maybe it does. I don't know
00:45:55.580 why. I don't know what it would be, but if it were me, it's based on what I hear. So there's probably
00:46:01.480 more to the story, but based on what I'm hearing, I can't see losing a friendship like that unless
00:46:07.760 there's some boundaries that she's crossing your own personal boundaries. She can cross his 0.53
00:46:12.560 boundaries. That's not my responsibility. Like if your wife, Kip, if she crossed your boundaries, 0.95
00:46:18.660 like that's for you to figure out, I can still be your friend and I can be there and be supportive
00:46:24.240 and we got to have a good time. But if she crosses my boundaries, then we might have an issue. And so
00:46:29.720 maybe that's what's happened. And in that case, I would talk with my, I would talk with you again.
00:46:35.220 Let's do here. I'll give you an example. If Asia, um, I don't even know what she would do. Let's say 0.99
00:46:41.260 like she stuck her nose in my business or she undermined me in my relationship or something 0.68
00:46:46.660 like that. Yeah. Yeah. I would talk, I would talk with you first. You're my friend, not her. So I
00:46:52.100 would, I wouldn't go straight to her. I would tell you, I'd be like, Hey Kip, can I talk with you 0.53
00:46:57.300 about something a little sensitive? And I would, I'd think because we have a friendship, you'd say,
00:47:02.720 I'd say, Hey, look, like I had this incident happen and I was talking with, with my girlfriend
00:47:08.800 and she had said that she heard some things from Asia that undermined our relationship. And I don't
00:47:16.300 know the entire context and I'm not even accusing Asia of doing that, but I want to let you know
00:47:22.400 what I'm hearing. And maybe you can figure out on your end, because if that is what happened,
00:47:29.900 that's not acceptable for me. And I just want to make sure we address it and we're able to move
00:47:34.680 forward in friendship. That's how I would address something like that. So am I, do you think I'm
00:47:39.920 missing something with this question? No, I don't think so. I mean, unless maybe what Josh is asking
00:47:44.860 is like the package deal, right? So let's say, I don't know. I just can't stand your spouse. 1.00
00:47:52.640 She just rubs me wrong. Right. And I'm just like, dude, I have zero desire to hang out with her.
00:47:58.040 I don't stop hanging out with you. Right. I just don't ask you to go on double dates. Right. I'm like,
00:48:04.200 you know, I'm good with our friendship being guy time. I'm probably less likely to invite you and
00:48:10.420 your spouse over for dinner or date night with my wife. Right. Cause she's not my style. I've done 1.00
00:48:15.680 that numerous times with my friends where I don't care much about their spouse, but I like them,
00:48:20.520 but I still have a relationship with them. So maybe that's what he's saying.
00:48:24.660 I also think be honest with that, which might be a hard conversation, but if you're friends,
00:48:28.720 it's like, again, if I'm talking to you, Kip, it's like, Hey man, like you already know
00:48:33.320 if Asia and I butt heads when we're together, like you already know that.
00:48:37.100 Yeah. And so I might come to you and say, Hey man, like, you know, you invite me over for fight
00:48:41.320 nights and dinners and stuff like that. And I just got to tell you, I think it's, it's time for me
00:48:45.220 just to take a little break from that dynamic. Cause every time I come over, I don't, I don't want
00:48:49.940 to fight with your wife. I don't want to have contention. I just want to like enjoy life, but man,
00:48:55.240 I still want you to come over for fight nights and I still want to go on the hunt and I still want to
00:48:59.040 golf this weekend, but we need to figure some things out. Cause it's not a good dynamic and
00:49:03.560 it probably puts you Kip in a weird spot too. Doesn't it? Totally. And if you said that, I'd be
00:49:08.320 like, I know, like I was feeling all of that too. So thank you. That makes things a lot easier for us
00:49:14.720 to understand and be on the same page. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't, I don't think you're the,
00:49:20.640 based on what I know about what you're asking, I don't think you're the point where it's like,
00:49:23.420 I'm going to lose my friendship over it. I just don't see that. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Last question.
00:49:28.620 If that's okay. Um, Jordan flatty, what role do we play in correcting the larger Epstein ring issue?
00:49:39.640 What role do you play? Well, be, be public and vocal about what you see. That's important.
00:49:45.780 Don't be crazy. That's important. So many people are crazy and then they lose all credibility. I'm 0.85
00:49:50.280 like, you sound crazy. You sound unhinged. And even if you're right, nobody believes you. Cause 1.00
00:49:55.680 you sound like a crazy person. That's what people don't understand. You see that all the time on 0.99
00:50:00.160 social media and they act insane. And then they share, they share things and you're like, actually,
00:50:05.560 that looks pretty credible, but you sound like a psychotic person. So I can't take you seriously. 0.92
00:50:11.520 So I think that would be important, but talk about it, talk about it with your friends and then get
00:50:18.180 involved in politics. Talk with your, your, your city council, your, your, your state politics and
00:50:24.080 politicians, reach out to your elected representatives, get, get people enlisted in
00:50:29.640 ousting some of these people from office. Like the more that I know guys say all the time, they're
00:50:35.420 like, Oh, I don't want to get into politics because of X, Y, and Z. It's like, well, politics wants to be
00:50:39.840 involved in your business. So you better be involved to some degree in the business of politics.
00:50:44.960 And so you rally people around, you talk openly and vocal about it. Um, you support organizations
00:50:51.720 and companies that are bringing truth to these things. You know, Sean Ryan comes to mind,
00:50:55.980 like support what Sean Ryan is doing. He's bringing all sorts of truth to not only this, but
00:51:00.840 the military industrial complex and government, uh, corruption and everything else that we see.
00:51:06.600 Um, Ian Wendt is another one who's doing the same thing, talking about the Epstein files. And
00:51:11.980 he gets a little bit conspiracy theory, but it's still interesting stuff. And he's a good friend
00:51:19.100 of mine and support Ian Wendt. Like there's things that you can do to be involved and people that you
00:51:25.240 can support when it comes to this, to these things. I don't want to say it's out of your hands,
00:51:30.020 but you, you cannot directly impact it, but you can indirectly. And the more men you rally around
00:51:36.000 these important issues to you, whether it's the Epstein files or, uh, you know, open borders
00:51:41.540 or, you know, name it, name your issue, foreign wars, um, monetary corruption, like whatever your
00:51:49.920 issue is, start enlisting people into the cause of, of what you believe.
00:51:54.400 Totally. What counsel do you give Ryan, right? Around like that pendulum swinging, right? And,
00:52:03.440 and you're the guy that just gets so wrapped up into politics that we kind of lose ourselves in it
00:52:08.880 and we're not empowered. We're now just victims of it. And it's controlling us in a negative way. Like
00:52:15.840 where's the balance of get involved, take some action, do something about it, but don't,
00:52:22.000 don't, you know, let it suck you in, right? What, what counsel do you have for the guys around that?
00:52:28.000 I think what happens when we get sucked into things like these, these, these types of issues
00:52:32.580 in an unhealthy way, what ends up happening is we just surround ourselves with other people and we
00:52:38.760 just talk about it all the time. And we just work ourselves up, we get riled up and then we never do
00:52:44.520 anything about it. It's, it's interesting when you, when you ask men what's important to them and they
00:52:49.400 say, Oh, my family's important. My health is important. My career, my financial success is
00:52:55.660 important. I'm like, cool. Pull up your calendar and pull up your bank account. Show me. And you
00:53:02.420 look at their calendar and they say their family's important, but there there's nothing on the
00:53:06.920 schedule for kids as games or time with the kids or a vacation with the kids. It's like, well, I
00:53:11.100 thought you said your family's important. Well, well, yeah, they're important, but like I have these
00:53:15.380 other things to do. It's like, okay, so they're not as important as you're saying, or they'll say
00:53:19.440 their health's important. I'm like, cool. Jump on the scale. Let's, let's have a look. And you're,
00:53:24.500 you're 30 pounds overweight. You said, you said health was important to you. Well, no, no, no. Like
00:53:29.620 it's important, but like, I don't have time to go to the gym and eating healthy is expensive. Like,
00:53:35.860 okay, then it's not important to you. And it's the same thing with these issues. When guys just sit
00:53:41.740 in circles and they just verbally vomit all of this stuff to each other and get each other all
00:53:48.380 riled up and worked up, nothing's going to come of that. And so what I would say is if it really
00:53:56.420 is important to you get involved in something where you actually have somewhat of an impact
00:54:03.120 and maybe that's sitting on your local school board. And now you're focused on protecting children
00:54:09.100 from sexual misconduct. That's a, that's a good thing. Is it directly related to the Epstein
00:54:16.140 files? Not directly, but it's part of it. The, the sexual abuse of minors. Uh, maybe it's getting
00:54:25.040 elected to city council and putting some plans in place for under, uh, served children in the
00:54:32.240 community that are more susceptible to drug abuse, sexual abuse, all sorts of vile and disgusting
00:54:40.660 acts. You can do that, but don't say it's important. If all you're going to do is talk
00:54:45.240 about it, actually do something about it. Yeah. You know, it, um, that reminds me of the fact
00:54:53.600 that we have the men's forge event coming up in April, right? And that's an area by which
00:54:58.460 you can say, you know, these certain elements are important to me, right? You have Larry
00:55:03.100 Hagner coming, right? Well, with dad's dad edge, and it's probably going to talk about
00:55:07.700 what fatherhood, right? And how we show up in the home. And these, these are ways that
00:55:12.880 you can be banding with us with order of man, uh, and coming to this event as a way of doing
00:55:19.100 something about it. Right. It's easy, right? It's so easy. We've seen it over the years,
00:55:23.600 right? Guys saying these things are important to me and I need to do something, but, but action
00:55:28.220 doesn't show it. Right. And so whether it's joining the iron council or even promoting like
00:55:33.440 the guests that you've talked about, Ryan, just recently that you've had on the podcast and, or
00:55:38.760 joining us for the men's forge in April, these are ways that you can start getting on the court.
00:55:45.100 I always love this analogy. If you don't mind me sharing, this is most people are watching the game,
00:55:51.060 the game of life. They're sitting in the bleachers, watching it played. And, and they're like
00:55:57.240 most fans. Oh man, come on, you know, stop turning it over. Oh, look at the ref. Oh,
00:56:04.280 he made a mistake. Come on. You guys are better than that. Right? Like we're all coaching from the
00:56:08.440 sideline, but few people are willing to say, you know what? Put me in, put me in, let me show,
00:56:16.700 let me put in the reps and let me start controlling the outcome of the game instead of being a spectator.
00:56:22.440 And so one way that you can join the game and start playing the game is to go to the men's
00:56:27.480 forge.com sign up April 23rd to the 26th is that event later this year. Yeah. You know,
00:56:34.140 the other thing it does to Kip is it puts you in proximity to other men who are actually interested
00:56:38.660 in the same things that you are. You know, I can't tell you how many times I've seen in the iron
00:56:43.560 council and with the men's forge and other events that we've run where guys get together and they're
00:56:49.040 now buddies. Like they are inseparable buddies or I've seen business partnerships start because of
00:56:56.020 it. I've seen so many incredible things because you're putting yourself next to other men who are
00:57:01.920 aligned with the values and virtues that you're aligned with. It's pretty incredible.
00:57:06.780 Yeah. Amen to that. I, I, I'm a, I've had that through the years, right. Of going to our events that
00:57:13.020 I'm like, just like, I'm just a better man because I'm surrounding myself with better men and those
00:57:17.260 relationships get forged. Yeah, absolutely. I love it, man. Well, good guys. Great questions
00:57:22.700 today. I took a bunch of notes again. Awesome questions. I'm loving the questions. I really
00:57:26.780 like the direction we're going with these questions and that's a testament to what you guys are doing
00:57:30.440 and your thoughtfulness about wanting to be a better man for yourself, your family,
00:57:34.120 your community. So it means a lot that you have these good questions that you're asking and engaging.
00:57:39.220 Most of all, you know, biggest thing is take this information. And if you found something that was
00:57:44.780 useful for you, apply it. And if you heard something that you think is useful for somebody
00:57:50.180 else, another man in your life, share it. That's my ask of you outside of coming to the men's forge.
00:57:55.360 But guys, we'll be back next week for our interview until then go out there, take action and become a
00:57:59.500 man. You are meant to be. Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast. You're ready to take
00:58:04.920 charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be. We invite you to join the order
00:58:09.580 of man dot com.