The 'Let's Find Out Mentality, Establishing Boundaries, and Controlling the Controllables | ASK ME ANYTHING
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In this episode, we discuss the importance of questions and how to answer them. We talk about how we often miss the point of the questions we are asked and how we can address them in a more thoughtful way. We also talk about some of the challenges we face when it comes to answering questions.
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It's interesting when you ask men what's important to them and they say,
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oh, my family's important, my health is important, my career, my financial success is important.
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I'm like, cool, pull up your calendar and pull up your bank account, show me.
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And you look at their calendar and they say their family's important,
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but there's nothing on the schedule for kids' games or time with the kids or a vacation with
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the kids. It's like, well, I thought you said your family's important. Well, yeah,
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they're important, but like I have these other things to do. It's like, okay,
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so they're not as important as you're saying. Or they'll say their health's important. I'm
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like, cool, jump on the scale. Kip, what's up, man? So good to see you. Looking forward to,
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we got some good questions from Facebook and we got some great questions over in the Iron Council,
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I believe as well. So looking forward to digging into these today.
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Yeah, me too, actually. I was looking over these during my morning workout and I'm like, man,
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great questions again. And we said this last week, the questions from the guys were solid.
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So props to you guys for getting some good questions in for us to discuss. And I'm
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always interested. I know it sounds funny for me to say this because we've, we've addressed
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questions for how many years now? Yeah. Maybe nine, eight years, nine, probably eight or nine.
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That's right. A long time. And even now I still like, Hmm, I wonder, like, I'm interested in hearing
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what you have to say and what comes out of some of these questions, even after so many years. So
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yeah. And yeah, it's, we do get some repeats, like we get themes, but a lot of the questions
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that we get are, they tend to be new. And, and I agree. I don't know if we're just, we laughed
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everybody out who was asking dumb questions and what's left is the guys who are asking more
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sophisticated questions or if the issues are deeper or we're just getting older. So other guys
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are getting older and they're asking more mature questions. I don't know. I don't know what it is,
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but it does seem like that to me too. Let me ask you this. Isn't it interesting, or I find it
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interesting that perhaps the themes that show up in questions are more about where we are in life
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than it is actually the question itself. Have you seen that, right? Where you're focused in on a,
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well, sometimes we focus in on a subject, right? So let's say, you know, you're hyper focused on
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being self-aware and what's required to drive self-awareness. And then people ask questions and
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you're like, ah, self-awareness is the answer, right? And it's more about where I'm at and what
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I'm focused on than really the trend of the questions themselves. Yeah. I mean, that's probably
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true. It also makes me wonder now that you say that how many times we misrepresent questions and we
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hear what we want to hear because we're focused on an answer that we already have to the question.
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And that's actually part of the reason that I do like to do it off the cuff a little bit,
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as opposed to actually go in and know exactly what those questions are ahead of time. But it is
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interesting because last week there was a couple of questions that stumped me that I hadn't thought
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about. And I'm like, oh man, maybe I should research and prepare a little bit more, but then
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it's just not as organic. It's not like a conversation. I don't go into a conversation with a
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friend. I'm like, Hey, bud, I've got a list of 10 topics and points that I wanted to talk with you
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about today. It's like, no, you just go over and shoot the breeze and catch up. And I kind of like
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that, that stuff too, but you're probably right. We probably do not just with questions, but in life
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filter what people are saying to us and what we see around us and the experiences that we have
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through the lens of what we're currently dealing with. Absolutely. Yeah. It's interesting. It has a
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name. This has a name. It's, it's the analogy of you're deciding to drop, you know, buy a Ford
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pickup. And all of a sudden now you see Ford pickups all the time. That that's really what
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we're talking about. Whatever that is called. Do you remember? Well, there's, yeah, there's
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reticular activation, I believe is one thing. I think that's what it's called reticular act. I could
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be wrong, but you guys can look it up. But I think that's what it is, is that, yeah, like you said,
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I'm going to go buy a Ford Raptor. All of a sudden, everybody has a Ford Raptor. It's like,
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no, everybody already had one before. Now you're just hyper aware of it. There's that,
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but then there's also a confirmation bias too, right? Which is, which is a cognitive behavior
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where we are looking to validate our own opinions and thoughts. And so we filter it through that lens
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and everything begins to look like a hammer because we have a nail that needs to be nailed
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in. Right. So. And what's so great about it. And then we have technology like Google and AI that
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just even confirms us even more that we're in the right stage and geez, man, is it important
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that we're self-evaluating? Well, and that's, that's what we're actually talking about in the
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iron council this month. Well, for the month of March is, um, rethinking your position, which is
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Rick, he does a great job on our, on our topics. He must've wrote this one directly for me. Cause
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anybody who's knows me and who has spent any time or even interacted with me on social media
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knows that what is my very principled stance in certain things. And that's a positive can become
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stubbornness and digging in my heels in, in, in a negative manifestation of that trait.
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Yeah. You actually don't know this Ryan, but there's like this whole sub web of the iron council
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where men roll up feedback to Rick about what they, what you need to improve on as the founder.
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And then, and then Rick builds the curriculum for you really. And we're all here just building
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you. Yeah. I'll take it. You guys do a good job with it. So just keep it quiet and, uh, don't,
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don't tell me, just deceive me. I'd, I'd much rather that be the case.
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That's awesome. All right. So we're going to field questions. Let's let's hop into it, man. It's a
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Shane Newman is our first a gentleman. What is one thing you have adamant, adamant, you are adamant.
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Your children will know how to do that. You wish your father had taught you.
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Hmm. I actually did see this one. And the thing that came to mind pretty quickly for me is that
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I want my children to be able to take calculated risks. Now, my dad wasn't really in my life
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permanently. You know, he's out of the picture by the time I was three, we always had a pretty
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decent relationship. I'd go see him in the summer and spend time with him, but he was so talented.
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He, he worked in paint. He was a salesman. People loved him. And I remember times where he felt like
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he's, he had said, and maybe I'm just making this up, but it seems like he said he wanted to do things
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on his own. He wanted to go out and start his own company, but he always worked with, um, big
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distributors, paint suppliers, that sort of thing. And, oh, he was so gifted and talented when it came
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to connecting with people, which is obviously a huge component of being a successful business owner.
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And he never did it. And I don't know why, maybe he didn't want to fully. I mean, we never had this
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conversation. Maybe he was just comfortable with where he was in life, but he never did it.
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And I don't live like that. If I have an idea, if I have a, something that seems worthy of pursuit,
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then I'm going to try it. And I'm going to put my money where my mouth is, and I'm going to take
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a risk and I'm going to go big. And people will always say, well, you know, what if it doesn't
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work out? What if it doesn't work out? What's okay. And, and then I pivot back to what I was doing
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or pivot to something else, but what if it does work out? So I've always embraced, I think always,
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yeah, I think I've always embraced this. Let's find out mentality is what I call it. So that when
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your internal dialogue is saying, Oh, what if it doesn't work? It might not work. Maybe this is
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not a good idea. Yeah. Maybe it's not, but let's find out. I would rather find out and go down in a
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blaze of glory, then go down in a blaze of glory or not a blaze of glory, go down silently and quietly.
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Yeah. So I want my kids to know that I want my kids to see it. I want them to know the risks.
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I want them to be able to calculate risks and I want them to go big and bold in their lives towards
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the pursuits they're excited about. Has that been conscious for you or subconscious? Like I was
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thinking about this Shane's question is like, man, there's, there's elements of that I'm certainly
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doing, but I never tied it to the fact that my dad didn't. Was that intentional on your part?
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No, I don't, I don't think it was. I think it must, if anything, it was either my personality.
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It's probably a bit of nature versus nurture, but if it was nurture, meaning I saw him doing
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something that I thought he could have done better than it was subconsciously crafted in to who I am.
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I don't think as a kid, I deliberately said, I'm not going to, I'm actually, but you know what?
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I hear stories of guys who are, they're like, yeah, my dad was this way. And I just, you, you've
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talked about it and I didn't want to be that way. Or I wanted to follow this, but I didn't want to
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follow that. You've talked about consciously making those decisions. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I love this
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question, Shane. It really causes me to like, what, what am I intentionally doing to, and making sure my
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kids learn something and it's out of, in spite of, or the modeling from my father. And I haven't
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never really thought about it. And this sounds a little cheesy, but the first thing is that they
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know me. Like it was very interesting. I remember as a kid, I was talking with like a cousin or
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something and your guy, and the, he said, man, your dad, he actually was a pretty good water skier.
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And I'm like, I about died. I'm like, what? My dad's been on a boat. He had fun. What are you
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joking? He's like, Oh yeah. He used to water ski a Paiute Lake. I'm like, no way. We're talking
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about the same person because the man I knew all he did is farm. That's it. I never saw that guy to
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go to a movie theater. I never saw him go to an event. I'm not even sure if I've seen him at a party
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before, or even friends at the house. It was always, he's in the field and maybe someone drives
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by and goes, talks to, talks to him and stops him on the tractor. And they chat a little bit. Like
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that was the extent of like knowing him, if that makes sense. And so one thing is like, no, do my
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kids know? I overly share where, what, where I was and stories about me and who I am. And it's not,
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right. It's just connection. Right. I want to, I think I'm making sure that I have strong connection
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with my kids. And the other thing that comes to mind, Shane, for me is, um, I don't know why it's
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more so with my youngest than, and, and, but I, but there's an element of fighting. I never, I never,
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I was never taught how to fight when, when I was a kid or how to defend myself. And, and, uh,
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I don't know if anyone, I don't think I've ever mentioned this. I got in fights all the time,
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all the time as a kid. Um, and nine times out of 10, I got my ass whooped. I didn't win any of
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those fights. I got destroyed on a regular basis. We moved a lot when, as a kid. And I remember every
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single time moving, I was like, all right, move. And I liked some girls and the, and a bunch of boys
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hated me. Like that was like, what happens immediately. Right. And, and you'd, you'd have
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to throw down eventually before you had any friends that were, that were boys is you had to
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like prove yourself. It seemed like, and I hated it as a kid, but man, I had no idea how to defend
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myself. And, and so there's an element of that for sure. And all my boys, they've all done jujitsu
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at one point when they were younger, my older boys, and then I'm probably leaning it in a little
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heavier on Koa. Um, and you know, and he has zero issues with physical conflict, which I'm,
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I'm proud to say. Right. And it might be, I mean, I know, I know him too. And it might be some of his
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personality. Like he's just a little fireball, you know what I mean? So it's hilarious. Like when he
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plays with my older boys, like he'll go up and just like punch them and whack them with sticks. And
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the boys are like, why is he, why is this kid bullying me? It's so funny. What's wrong with
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this kid? Yeah. It's probably a little too much. Tell your boys, sorry. No, they think it's funny.
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You dial it back. Well, and you know, Breckin, he's such a big kid in this little,
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this little, what is he? Seven year old, seven years old now is like little seven year old is
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like beating him up and bullying him around. It's so funny to me. Yeah. And Breckin's adding to it.
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He's like, come on, you little, you know? Oh yeah. So it just invites it. Yeah. He eggs it on.
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Yeah, that's right. All right. Uh, Daryl Hahn, could you talk about why so many men feel that
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things, uh, life, et cetera, are out of their control? I don't feel that way anymore or any
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longer, but for the long time I did. I actually think most things are outside of our control.
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I mean, that's how I feel. Daryl's saying he doesn't feel that way. I guess you could look at
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it in two different ways. There's, well, there's out of your control and there's out of control,
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right? So those are almost two different things. This is outside of my control and this is out of
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control. Those are two different phrases to me. Outside of your control means that you can influence
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your health. You can influence your family dynamic. You can influence your career aspirations and you
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should be influencing. Well, you are influencing those, whether you realize it or not, it's just a
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matter of how, but out of control means that you aren't doing what you need to be doing in order to
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stack the odds. And that's how I refer to it. Most of life is beyond your control, whether it's picking
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up clients, growing a business, worrying about your health, but I can stack the odds in my favor.
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Could I get sick at some point and develop terminal cancer? Absolutely. That happens to people who are
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genuinely healthy too, but you can stack the odds. And I think if more men focused on not what is
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outside of their control, but the things that are. So not worrying so much about the outcome of your
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health, but living a healthy life, knowing that it will inevitably lead to better results for you.
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I remember when I was doing my financial planning practice very early in my career,
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I was so confused. I was frustrated. I wasn't growing the business. It was really difficult. And
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I can't remember, I ended up partnering up with a mentor in the office and he was talking to me about
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our daily activities. And he said, Ryan, just make 20 calls a day, just 20 calls per day and let the
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rest take care of itself. Now, granted, you need to know our products and know strategies and learn.
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Yes, absolutely. But if you just make 20 calls per day, then the rest of this will all sort itself out.
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And lo and behold, as I made those phone calls and as I communicated with those potential clients,
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everything else seemed to work itself out. So I'm a huge proponent of stacking the odds,
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not worrying about the things that are out of our control and trying to get things back in control
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by focusing on what we can do. Let's rephrase Daryl's question. If you don't mind, Daryl,
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right? It's not so much, could we talk or could you talk about why so many men feel that things are
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outside their control? Why do they focus on things outside of their control, right? Why is that the
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focus, right? And I think that's what's valuable because you're right, right? Many things are
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outside of our control, but I think what really Daryl's getting at, and it's a sense of disempowerment
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and victim thinking is when people double down on what's outside their control, what's the human
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behavior that causes people to focus their vote versus focusing on their health, on their wellbeing,
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on their household, how they're showing up and their integrity? Why do I focus so much on everybody
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else's? And, and I don't know if you want to answer that first, Ryan, but I have some thoughts on what
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the human behavior is. Well, when you were saying that, you said it's, it's a sense of empowerment to,
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to not focus on, to only focus on what you can control. I actually would contend, tell me what
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you think of this. I would contend with that assertion a little bit. I actually think that
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there is a perceived, perceived is the keyword, a perceived sense of empowerment in people playing
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the victim and people focusing on things that are beyond their control. I mean, there has to be some
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psychological benefit or human beings wouldn't do it. So what is the benefit? It's, it's perceived
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empowerment. It's that I get to absolve myself of the responsibility of doing work and therefore I'm
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free. It's not my fault. There's nothing I did or didn't do. And, and so a person could potentially
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feel like they're empowered by that because the reality is that if you aren't experiencing the results
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that you want in your life, largely it has to do with you. Now there might be isolated experiences
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like you randomly lose your job and it has literally nothing to do with you. But if you get fired every
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two years from your job for the past 10 years, then that 100% has to do with you. You were the only
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common denominator in the equation. And so if you just say, Hey, the economy's bad. The president
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inflation, my boss is a jerk. I was in the wrong thing. Nobody helped me. People were out to get
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me. There was backbiting and infighting in the office. That's perceived empowerment. I'm power.
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I'm good. No, it was nothing. I did. It was something somebody else or some other factor had in my life.
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Yeah, I see that. I think it's just a use of the word differently. I think here's the key though,
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is when people latch onto that, then they're being acted upon. This way of thinking is
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things are happening to me. And even though it resolves me of responsibility, it starts getting
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exhausting because it's like, why does this always happen? And this is happening. And there's a sense
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of, I can't do anything about it. And that's where I latch onto the language of it is disempowered
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because I feel hopeless. There's a sense of hopelessness in it. And so to your point, right?
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Darrell, why do people do that? Because it's easier. It's way easier. If this doesn't work,
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it's not my fault, right? If I got fired, there's nothing I could have done. I don't have to take
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responsibility. I don't have to look in the mirror and address my shortcomings. That's the payoff.
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And there's a sense of empowerment that comes or let's use maybe a different word. I don't know a
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different word other than empowerment, but there's a sense of, I'm going to use it anyway. I can't
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even think of another word for it, but there's a sense of empowerment when we focus on what we can't
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control. Why? Because we're starting to move. What am I going to do about it? What are my options? And
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then what is the by-product to add that? Growth. And that's the most biggest thing about this entire
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conversation is if you don't self-evaluate, if you don't ever consider your responsibility in
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something, then there is no growth for you. And this is why, Ryan, we've talked about this in the
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past with other people. It's like one of the top things you can do when you get divorced, I don't
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care how bad your spouse was. Figure out your role in it. Figure out your role in the divorce and what
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you could have done different. And that's how you have a healthy relationship with difficult things.
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That's how we can rewrite the script of a bad childhood, learn from it and become this awesome
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version of yourself. And then you won't be upset about the past anymore. You'll look at the past and
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go, I know it's kind of crazy and it was hard times, but man, I'm kind of grateful for it. Why?
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Because it made me the man I am. Oh, that's how you step into empowerment regardless of past
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experiences. I pulled up some synonyms for empowerment. And by the way, I wasn't contending
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with the use of the word. I was just telling people that there's a perceived sense of empowerment.
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Right. It's, but what you're talking about is actual empowerment, empowering yourself,
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giving yourself the power. But when you don't do that, it's a perceived, it's a faulty sense of
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empowerment. But here's a couple of words and I love words. Words are so important. Here's a couple
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that come to mind. Well, I just pulled it up off chat GPT that I like. One is activation. That was a good
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one. Mobilization. Oh, energizing. Sovereignty. I like this one. And I don't know why it's standing
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out to me right now. Authority. And I like that word because I just, I'm looking at the root word,
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which is obviously author. You are the author of your life. So take authority of it.
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It gives you agency. Yeah. Agency, authority. Agency, yeah. It empowers you to own it. Those
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are other words. Ownership, agency, dominion, command. So liberation, actualization. I don't
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know. There's some cool thoughts in there, but yeah, I think we're on the same page, but yeah,
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it's because it's easier. And yes, you are getting something from it. Otherwise you wouldn't do it.
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Yeah. Yeah, totally. Great question, Daryl. Isn't Daryl such a great guy? I actually really
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appreciate him in many ways. All right. Thomas Dollar, if you have a career that you love and
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for him, it's firefighting, but also businesses that all have bigger earning potential, how do you
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choose? The main thing that makes it difficult for me is that I want a better life for my business
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ownership. But I also would be sad to say I'm not firefighter anymore if I made that choice. So I
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guess simplified purpose versus monetary value. I mean, solid question. I know a lot of guys deal
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with this. I'll give you some advice. One thing, one thing, one exercise I always encourage people to do
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is we can do this because we're sentient conscious beings is we have the ability to
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be self-aware so that we can project ourselves out to a future date and time. And even circumstance,
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we could put ourselves visually in a different circumstance. So what I want people to do when
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they're wrestling with this question is to put yourself out 20 or 30 years. And that 20 or 30 year
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older version of you, I want now to look back on the last 20 to 30 years and ask yourself,
00:23:10.480
what decision would you be happy or fulfilled with that you made? Now it's not a, it's not a
00:23:18.400
science. It's just a reflective process that gives you a new insight and perspective that you probably
00:23:24.500
haven't considered yet. Looking back, what decision will you be happy that you made? That's, that's one
00:23:29.660
exercise I always encourage people to do. But the real answer to your question is that I don't agree
00:23:35.620
with the premise of it. You're presenting a false dichotomy. Yeah. You're saying that I can only
00:23:42.220
pursue purpose or alternatively financial prosperity and abundance. What's the third option? And here's a
00:23:52.460
few ideas for you. You can keep firefighting to the degree that you are, and you can start a business
00:23:57.460
on the side and do it in your spare time. And you can hire employees and you can teach and train your,
00:24:03.300
your people and business partners to do that business. So it's creating and generating potential
00:24:09.040
wealth for you. Maybe that business could even be that you are training firefighter, firefighters
00:24:16.660
online about a certain aspect of the vocation. And you're teaching them about how to use their
00:24:23.660
equipment properly and better, more efficient techniques for breaching doors. And maybe you
00:24:30.840
start running events where once a month or once a quarter, you bring 20 firefighters in
00:24:35.880
locally or regionally, and you bring experts in the firefighting arena. And you say, Hey,
00:24:40.540
we're having this guy and this guy and this guy come in and you charge a thousand or 1500 to bring
00:24:45.280
these guys in. And you do that once a quarter. Another option is maybe you say, Hey, I'm going to
00:24:51.920
actually go full bore into the business, whether it's firefighter related or not, I'm going to go all the
00:24:56.820
way into the business, but I'm going to volunteer at the local fire department. Um, once a month,
00:25:02.200
I'm just going to do volunteer firefighting, or I'm going to go, um, be on the search and rescue team,
00:25:07.480
you know, in my local area. And so you still have that attachment to it while you're over here running
00:25:13.180
the business. So I would just caution you and warn you a little bit, not to operate in the false
00:25:19.960
dichotomy, figure out a way to do both. And yeah, I know it'll take some time and it'll, there will be
00:25:29.160
a sacrifice that needs to be made. And so what? I mean, this is what I, we opened the conversation
00:25:36.400
with of taking a risk, putting yourself out there, being calculated and seeing where something really
00:25:42.280
powerful could potentially take you. But I would look for the, I would look for the third option in this
00:25:47.740
scenario coupled with the, um, reflection exercise I told you about. Yeah. I love that. I mean,
00:25:57.680
maybe even the firefighting ends up being part of the brand. Right. And, and the fact that you're a
00:26:03.100
firefighter and you have this company is what sells the company's brand is you being a firefighter. I
00:26:09.580
mean, so yeah, I mean, get creative, but yeah, there's a couple of organizations and man, I'm hesitant
00:26:16.460
to say this, but a guy by the name of Ryan Rodriguez, um, owns a podcast that is, I think teaches men's
00:26:23.180
leadership principles. And I'm, I'm going to butcher it, but I want to say it's called forged in fire.
00:26:27.520
He's a firefighter and he's taking his firefighting principles and he's teaching men how to be better
00:26:32.740
leaders through the principle he's learned through fighting fires. Uh, there's another one fit to fight
00:26:37.980
fire. Uh, John, John, I think is his name fit. I think it's called fit to fight fire. And he's a
00:26:44.420
firefighter in very, very good shape. I mean, you look at the guy and he's a physical specimen
00:26:48.940
and he goes around and he talks with firefighters in his podcast, in his brand about how to train
00:26:55.980
properly with their equipment on, with their mask on, with their oxygen tanks on. He's putting
00:27:00.720
together workouts for firefighters to do in their spare time. So there's a lot, there's a lot that
00:27:05.520
you can do here. Yeah. And just to reiterate it, if he stopped being a firefighter, it wouldn't sell
00:27:12.420
as good. Right. Like that's part of the deal, right? Like him being a firefighter is what is
00:27:18.540
making that possible or probably a little bit more appealing to that, right? To that niche. So
00:27:23.140
all right. Jay, uh, McKellen, McKelleny. Are you able to change your mind when new data overrides
00:27:33.580
previously believed evidence? Why would I do that? I already know everything.
00:27:37.900
Not easily. That's for sure. Yeah. Well, am I able to? Yes. Will I? Probably not.
00:27:50.160
Maybe for Jay, what are some tips, right? Like how do we, how do we, what are some ideas that you can
00:27:57.620
give the guys around overriding our previous beliefs when evidence, um, presents maybe that we
00:28:04.880
should, right? That there should be. Well, I would first ask yourself, what is the objective
00:28:10.360
in, in, in one aspect of life? What is the objective? So Pete Roberts, he founded Origin
00:28:17.180
and he's a business partner with Jocko Willink. And Pete told me this was years ago. I can't remember
00:28:23.240
exactly what we were talking about, but Jocko at the time was really the face of Origin and Jocko
00:28:28.480
Fuel. And he still is. And Pete is behind the scenes. He's a visionary. He's so intelligent,
00:28:35.240
very creative, thoughtful about how he does all this. He's a marketing genius, but he wasn't at
00:28:40.920
the time, the face of it. He is more involved in that now. And I, I asked him, I said, how do you,
00:28:46.960
how do you like handle disputes? How do you, if, if you guys don't agree on something, how do you
00:28:53.280
decide which direction to go? And he told me that Jocko is, is very humble in this way. And so is
00:29:01.580
Pete. I know that he said, Ryan, we know that the objective is to win. And that's the only thing that
00:29:09.180
matters. So whether it's my idea or his idea, or even a new hire's idea, if we think it'll help us
00:29:18.320
win, it doesn't matter who gets credit for it. It doesn't matter whose idea it was. It doesn't
00:29:24.260
matter if I'm offended because they didn't choose my idea. Our only objective is to win.
00:29:31.680
And I think if we do that, Stephen Covey talks about starting with the end in mind,
00:29:36.040
then I think we're going to be naturally more receptive to the things that are going to help
00:29:40.760
us win, whatever winning looks like for you. So if I'm with fatherhood, for example,
00:29:48.320
I want to raise self-sufficient human beings. That that's my objective. I've often said,
00:29:54.900
I want to render myself obsolete. That is my goal. And I will do whatever I need to do
00:30:01.060
to ensure that's the case. And that, if that means self-evaluation, if that means apologizing
00:30:05.700
because I dropped the ball or did it wrong, I apologize plenty of times to my kids, then that's
00:30:10.600
exactly what I'll do because my ego will keep me from accomplishing what I want to accomplish,
00:30:15.400
raising self-sufficient human beings. So that's part of it. What is the, what is the objective?
00:30:20.360
Start with the end in mind. The other part is surround yourself with people who you like and
00:30:26.340
who are credible. Because Kip, if you're in my orbit or I'm in your orbit and you're not credible
00:30:33.760
and, or I don't like you, I'm significantly less likely to take your advice. But if I think highly of
00:30:40.660
you, I respect you, I see how you're performing in your life, you have credentials because of the
00:30:47.340
way you're showing up with your family or your business or some aspect, I am much more open and
00:30:52.420
receptive to the things that you tell me, Kip, than some guy on the internet who I don't know a dang
00:30:58.460
thing about. That person has not earned that right to give me that advice. I just don't take it. It could
00:31:05.760
be right. I'm not saying it's not, but I'm going to take it with less weight than somebody in my inner
00:31:10.580
circle. And that's part of the reason it's so important that we as men build a band of brothers
00:31:16.300
of good men, righteous men, virtuous men, successful men, healthy men, family men, God-believing men,
00:31:24.260
because that's the advice that you're going to take. You're going to be open and receptive and
00:31:29.620
you're going to be open to influence from them. So make sure your circle is, is good. Make sure it's
00:31:34.920
tight. Make sure you're spending time in the right circles. That's going to have a huge impact on your
00:31:38.940
life. I love it. You know, the other thing that comes to mind, Ryan, is like just the power of
00:31:45.120
being a curious person. Just be curious. It's crazy to me how often, and maybe it's me, but I think a lot
00:31:55.660
of us do this is we, we operate usually always in this space of good, bad, shouldn't, should.
00:32:04.160
It was like, it should be this way or no, it should be this way. Nope. That's not, that's wrong. No,
00:32:08.280
this is right. And maybe we dial that back a little bit and just go, I don't know. Not enough
00:32:15.000
information. That's interesting. I'm really curious why. And just operate in this space of curiosity.
00:32:21.480
And I think that opens us up to learn and evolve and change, and then not tie everything to our
00:32:29.140
identity and our ego, right? A lot of the time when we are operating in this space of right and wrong,
00:32:35.380
it's, it's almost a self, a self validation that we're right and they're wrong versus neither.
00:32:44.940
I'm not really sure. I don't have enough information. I'm curious why they do that versus
00:32:48.920
why I do this. That's interesting. And, and detach that from your identity and maybe latch
00:32:55.680
onto this identity that, that we don't know, or I'm curious, you know, and then we can seek it out.
00:33:01.200
And I think that helps us not tie everything to, to our egos. I think that's a good, as you were
00:33:06.200
saying that one thing that came to mind is we've often heard the person asking the questions is the
00:33:11.000
one who's in charge or directing the conversation, right? And sometimes we, as men, I am notorious for
00:33:17.580
this want to show up as credible and powerful and the leader and the one in charge. And so it becomes
00:33:23.360
very directive as opposed to curious, but the opposite is actually true. The one asking the
00:33:29.980
questions is the one guiding and leading and directing the conversation in the tone of your
00:33:34.800
experience. So I never really put that together until you said that, but yeah, curiosity means that
00:33:40.640
you're actually the one in charge because you get to direct how conversations go, what information you
00:33:48.120
learn, the movement of an organization. I mean, even if you're asking your direct supervisor, if
00:33:54.360
you're asking the questions, you're dictating the tone of the conversation. And he, he is a secondary
00:33:59.980
role to that when you're asking those questions and you got to be careful how you do it. You don't want
00:34:04.020
to undermine authority or you don't want to ask like, for example, people will ask very disingenuous
00:34:11.140
questions and, and that manipulative. And one of the questions I often, I, I know what it is,
00:34:19.800
especially online. If anybody ever says and starts a question with, so, and then they give me their
00:34:28.160
question. I know they're not being, they're being disingenuous. It's not a legitimate question.
00:34:32.660
Yeah. You're making a statement and you're trying to make a point. You're not really asking the
00:34:36.500
question. Or, or either that, or you're about to either manipulate and misconstrue my words or
00:34:42.080
present an argument that I wasn't debating. It's a very, it's a very telltale sign that you're not a
00:34:47.840
serious, curious person. So what you're saying, no, not doing, I don't answer those questions
00:34:54.900
because I know what those questions are. Yeah. That's funny. All right. Travis Beattie,
00:35:01.900
do you have a recommended investment account that parents should open for their kids that can help
00:35:06.940
with college and their futures? Yeah. Like a, a educational safe. And that's been so long. Um,
00:35:12.940
what, what's a five 29 plan. Is that what it's called? Gosh, it has been so long. You're nerding
00:35:19.100
out now. I think it's a fit. Is that what it is? Yeah. Okay. Yes, it is. The five 29. That's actually a
00:35:25.380
pretty cool program. You have to look at how it works in your state, because I think if I remember
00:35:30.160
correctly, it's a, it's a, it's a state sponsored plan or state endorsed plan. I don't know that
00:35:37.480
it's a federal plan necessarily. Um, but that is to save for future educational costs. So that could
00:35:44.200
be college post-secondary education, K through 12 education, even student loan repayments. And the
00:35:50.660
cool thing about it is it's all tax deferred. So when you put money into the account and you'll have to
00:35:55.720
check your state for how much money you can put in, but you can put that money into this five 29 plan
00:36:02.300
and you can choose your investments inside of that plan. Um, and then when you pull it out, as long
00:36:07.640
as it's for qualified, uh, educational expenses, you can use it tax free. And again, check the
00:36:14.280
stipulations, work with your CPA, look at your state guidelines on this. As far as I understand,
00:36:20.180
if you have your son, your oldest son, let's say he decides he's not going to go to college.
00:36:26.700
If I understand correctly, you're able to change the beneficiary to another child. So if he, if he
00:36:33.160
doesn't qualify for these funds for education, then you can, um, transfer it to another, to another
00:36:40.620
child. So you could do that. That's one thing you could do. Um, another thing you could do is you
00:36:45.820
could actually gift your child a certain amount of money. And again, you're, I don't keep up to date
00:36:50.800
with this. So you're going to have to look at how much you can gift on an annual basis to your
00:36:55.420
children, but you can gift them. Let's say it's don't quote me on this, but let's say it's $4,000 a
00:37:01.220
year. You can gift that to them, put it in a minor. Um, uh, I think it's called a custodial account.
00:37:10.320
Again, like I'm so, I'm so rusty with all this stuff, but maybe a custodial account where it
00:37:16.540
grows and grows and grows. The downside of that is let's say you did that starting when they're
00:37:22.200
eight years old and now they're 18 and you've been putting in hypothetically $4,000 for 10 years.
00:37:28.240
That's 40 grand. Let's say it's grown to $55,000 over that time. When they hit 18 at custodial account
00:37:34.160
becomes theirs. So at 18, they're getting a $55,000 access to a $55,000 account in this scenario
00:37:43.920
and they can do whatever they want with it. So that's something to be aware of. The other thing
00:37:49.700
you could do is you could put your kid to work. I, I pay my kids and I pay them because they help me
00:37:57.280
with store orders. That's to be a legitimate thing, but I pay them. And then I talk with them about how to
00:38:02.360
save that money. I reduce my tax burden. I'm helping them learn about how money works and taxes and
00:38:08.100
everything else. And as long as it's under a certain amount, they don't pay taxes at all. But if it's
00:38:12.700
over a certain amount, it's going to be significantly less than what I pay in taxes. And that's like that,
00:38:19.700
that amount that you can pay them is significantly higher. So there's a few ideas. Yeah. I think it's
00:38:26.440
almost up to like 15,000. I was going to say 14 is what I was going to say. I don't know why 14 comes to
00:38:30.500
mine, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Good stuff. All right. John Marino. He says, I took a great
00:38:40.120
part-time job teaching basic electricity this past September. It was given to a top pay of the pay
00:38:48.000
scale for the job listing. That being said, I know it's a good $10 an hour lower than what I should be
00:38:54.280
getting paid. Regardless, I have thought about going in for a yearly review in September, but now
00:39:00.600
I'm thinking about asking for a review before the summer semester starts. One thing is for sure. I'm
00:39:06.620
not getting a review unless I advocate for myself. Wait a year or ask before summer semester. I'm
00:39:12.620
leaning before summer. I'm a little confused about the first part of it again. So read that again. I'm
00:39:18.060
just trying to wrap my head around that. Yeah. Yeah. I'll summarize it really quick. He he's
00:39:23.260
teaching, he's teaching electricity and they they're paying him at the top of this pay scale
00:39:30.580
of what the job listing was. However, he knows that regardless of that pay scale, he should be
00:39:37.200
probably being, be making more according to the market. And so he's like, Hey, should I ask for a
00:39:43.300
review now or wait? Um, until, I mean, if they're already paying the top of the pay scale, I don't
00:39:48.340
know how you know that, but maybe that's documented somewhere. They usually give a range. Yeah. They
00:39:55.200
usually give it a range if they're doing job postings and they're transparent. Yeah. So what is,
00:39:59.380
what is going to going in for a performance review going to do for you right now? I'm not saying don't
00:40:04.520
do it, but what you're saying is to go in for the performance review to ask for a raise. What if
00:40:08.180
you're capped out? Are you, but if, if you're not and there's upward potential with that, then I would
00:40:14.580
say, you know, yeah, go, go ask for a review, but don't go in it with the expectation. I mean, go in
00:40:22.680
it with what you want to get out of it, which in this case sounds like a raise. So, so what I would
00:40:27.320
do is I would go in and Kip, if I'm coming to talk with you, it'd be like, Hey boss, you know, I wanted
00:40:31.180
to sit down with you. I appreciate you taking time. Um, I just wanted to do a performance review. I know
00:40:35.980
where we're at on the pay scale and also know what I'm providing to the organization. And, um, I'd like
00:40:42.020
to talk with you about the possibility of an increase in pay. And I came prepared to tell you
00:40:47.760
why I think that's in your best interest and then just explain what, what you bring and, and, and how
00:40:54.080
it works and why it's so beneficial for the company and what's in it for you and let the chips fall where
00:40:59.800
they may. That's what I would do. Yeah. I mean, Joe, the reality of it is, is, you know, I don't
00:41:07.100
know how large the organization is right. That you're working for, but the amount of comp increase
00:41:12.740
has already probably been identified past December in regards to what their budgets are for increases.
00:41:20.500
So this isn't about what you deserve. This is also about what the company is allocated for that seat,
00:41:27.660
right? You might be worth 10 more, but guess what? They're willing to pay X. So what you're asking
00:41:34.960
for is not what they're willing to pay. Like, you know, so look at the bigger picture of it.
00:41:40.020
One thing's for sure. Do not wait and have this loaded approach to like, I'm going to go in
00:41:46.640
and have a review and get a pay raise. No, no, no. Today, schedule a meeting tomorrow and talk to
00:41:53.100
someone and say, Hey, I want to get a pay increase this year. Is that even possible? And what would
00:41:59.800
you need to see to feel good about it and to be able to justify it out of our budget and then work
00:42:05.900
into it? But you sideswip me like, you know, we're going throughout the year. And then all of a sudden
00:42:10.320
you come in with a PowerPoint presentation, telling me about how you deserve a raise. I'm annoyed.
00:42:14.940
Right. But if we had a conversation earlier in the year and you brought me on and said, Hey,
00:42:21.680
Hey boss, man, I really want to pay increase. I think I deserve it. But you tell me what do you
00:42:27.860
need to see to, so you feel good about it. And then you fulfill the requirements that I gave you for the
00:42:36.040
last six months. Now you're holding me accountable, right? To what I said I would do if you did what you
00:42:43.160
did. We, we have alignment officially, right? But right now you're, if you wait to do that all at
00:42:49.160
once, you're not aligned. You have expectations and they're not even aware of those expectations,
00:42:54.700
right? And you guys may not even be on the same page and may not even be an option. And so
00:42:58.680
you also don't want to be busting your tail for the last six months, right? And then go in and not
00:43:03.500
get the raise. It's like, you should know that upfront if they're even willing. And maybe you jump
00:43:07.440
ship and go somewhere else because it's not even an option for you. Well, and this is part of the
00:43:12.000
reason that I say you should always be networking. I tell people this all the time. People think that
00:43:17.140
they're so safe in their jobs and you are not either because you could get let go or because
00:43:22.160
you decide you don't want to be there anymore. Your job is not guaranteed. You don't have a right.
00:43:27.200
Some people say I have a right to fair and equal pay. What are you talking about? You don't have a
00:43:31.020
right to that. You have to go out and earn that. And one of the things that so many men often overlook
00:43:36.060
is this, this idea, they do it in marriage too. You know, guys get into marriages and they lose
00:43:42.780
their friends and they lose their hobbies and they start putting on weight and they don't do the
00:43:46.280
things that attracted them to their wife in the first place. Well, how'd you get the job? You knew
00:43:50.300
somebody and all of a sudden you get into a job and you're not happy or the company's not happy and
00:43:56.540
you get terminated or you decide to leave. And like, what's your backup plan? Do you know other
00:44:02.840
companies? Have you networked with other people? Do you know business owners? Are you well known in
00:44:07.180
your industry? If you're not, then that's scary. That's risk that you don't need to take. So always
00:44:13.520
be networking. But I was going to go back. It's interesting, Kip, because Jay earlier asked the
00:44:17.820
question, are you able to change your mind? And what information do you need to change your mind?
00:44:23.140
Well, here's a perfect example of it. What you said was way better than what I said. So if you guys
00:44:29.220
are listening to this, I like Kip's idea better. And that's where I'm changing my mind. The fact
00:44:33.720
that you're not going to go in there because my idea was like, oh, just go talk to him and tell
00:44:36.880
him. And you're like, well, hold on. Let's flank this a little bit. Let's be a little strategic about
00:44:41.160
this. And to me, that's way better advice than I gave. So I'm glad you brought that up.
00:44:47.540
Look at that. Changes his mind in line right here, just on the podcast. Let it be known
00:44:53.980
across the interwebs. Ryan Mickler. Hey, keep it up. And I'll ask Chad to just cut that whole part
00:44:59.160
out of the conversation, Kip. All right. You don't need to dance on my grave. Just say thank you.
00:45:04.520
That's all. Thank you. Appreciate it. Josh Sutton, have you ever had to lose a friendship because of
00:45:12.900
his wife's behavior? It has always seemed she wears the pants and is controlling of his life and his
1.00
00:45:19.020
views on life. They have even lost the relationship with their own parents over her behavior. Would
0.63
00:45:23.960
you try to reconcile the friendship? Well, I'm asking this with respect. It's not going to sound
00:45:33.280
super respectful, but why do you, why do you care about their dynamic? Is he your friend or is he not
00:45:40.240
your friend? I mean, talk, talk with your buddy or whatever and say, Hey dude, like, are you doing
00:45:45.440
okay? Like, it seems like things aren't going well within the dynamic of your relationship, but
00:45:49.780
I'm not quite sure how that translates to him not being a good friend. Maybe it does. I don't know
00:45:55.580
why. I don't know what it would be, but if it were me, it's based on what I hear. So there's probably
00:46:01.480
more to the story, but based on what I'm hearing, I can't see losing a friendship like that unless
00:46:07.760
there's some boundaries that she's crossing your own personal boundaries. She can cross his
0.53
00:46:12.560
boundaries. That's not my responsibility. Like if your wife, Kip, if she crossed your boundaries,
0.95
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like that's for you to figure out, I can still be your friend and I can be there and be supportive
00:46:24.240
and we got to have a good time. But if she crosses my boundaries, then we might have an issue. And so
00:46:29.720
maybe that's what's happened. And in that case, I would talk with my, I would talk with you again.
00:46:35.220
Let's do here. I'll give you an example. If Asia, um, I don't even know what she would do. Let's say
0.99
00:46:41.260
like she stuck her nose in my business or she undermined me in my relationship or something
0.68
00:46:46.660
like that. Yeah. Yeah. I would talk, I would talk with you first. You're my friend, not her. So I
00:46:52.100
would, I wouldn't go straight to her. I would tell you, I'd be like, Hey Kip, can I talk with you
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about something a little sensitive? And I would, I'd think because we have a friendship, you'd say,
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I'd say, Hey, look, like I had this incident happen and I was talking with, with my girlfriend
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and she had said that she heard some things from Asia that undermined our relationship. And I don't
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know the entire context and I'm not even accusing Asia of doing that, but I want to let you know
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what I'm hearing. And maybe you can figure out on your end, because if that is what happened,
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that's not acceptable for me. And I just want to make sure we address it and we're able to move
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forward in friendship. That's how I would address something like that. So am I, do you think I'm
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missing something with this question? No, I don't think so. I mean, unless maybe what Josh is asking
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is like the package deal, right? So let's say, I don't know. I just can't stand your spouse.
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She just rubs me wrong. Right. And I'm just like, dude, I have zero desire to hang out with her.
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I don't stop hanging out with you. Right. I just don't ask you to go on double dates. Right. I'm like,
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you know, I'm good with our friendship being guy time. I'm probably less likely to invite you and
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your spouse over for dinner or date night with my wife. Right. Cause she's not my style. I've done
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that numerous times with my friends where I don't care much about their spouse, but I like them,
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but I still have a relationship with them. So maybe that's what he's saying.
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I also think be honest with that, which might be a hard conversation, but if you're friends,
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it's like, again, if I'm talking to you, Kip, it's like, Hey man, like you already know
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if Asia and I butt heads when we're together, like you already know that.
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Yeah. And so I might come to you and say, Hey man, like, you know, you invite me over for fight
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nights and dinners and stuff like that. And I just got to tell you, I think it's, it's time for me
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just to take a little break from that dynamic. Cause every time I come over, I don't, I don't want
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to fight with your wife. I don't want to have contention. I just want to like enjoy life, but man,
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I still want you to come over for fight nights and I still want to go on the hunt and I still want to
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golf this weekend, but we need to figure some things out. Cause it's not a good dynamic and
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it probably puts you Kip in a weird spot too. Doesn't it? Totally. And if you said that, I'd be
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like, I know, like I was feeling all of that too. So thank you. That makes things a lot easier for us
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to understand and be on the same page. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't, I don't think you're the,
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based on what I know about what you're asking, I don't think you're the point where it's like,
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I'm going to lose my friendship over it. I just don't see that. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Last question.
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If that's okay. Um, Jordan flatty, what role do we play in correcting the larger Epstein ring issue?
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What role do you play? Well, be, be public and vocal about what you see. That's important.
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Don't be crazy. That's important. So many people are crazy and then they lose all credibility. I'm
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like, you sound crazy. You sound unhinged. And even if you're right, nobody believes you. Cause
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you sound like a crazy person. That's what people don't understand. You see that all the time on
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social media and they act insane. And then they share, they share things and you're like, actually,
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that looks pretty credible, but you sound like a psychotic person. So I can't take you seriously.
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So I think that would be important, but talk about it, talk about it with your friends and then get
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involved in politics. Talk with your, your, your city council, your, your, your state politics and
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politicians, reach out to your elected representatives, get, get people enlisted in
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ousting some of these people from office. Like the more that I know guys say all the time, they're
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like, Oh, I don't want to get into politics because of X, Y, and Z. It's like, well, politics wants to be
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involved in your business. So you better be involved to some degree in the business of politics.
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And so you rally people around, you talk openly and vocal about it. Um, you support organizations
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and companies that are bringing truth to these things. You know, Sean Ryan comes to mind,
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like support what Sean Ryan is doing. He's bringing all sorts of truth to not only this, but
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the military industrial complex and government, uh, corruption and everything else that we see.
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Um, Ian Wendt is another one who's doing the same thing, talking about the Epstein files. And
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he gets a little bit conspiracy theory, but it's still interesting stuff. And he's a good friend
00:51:19.100
of mine and support Ian Wendt. Like there's things that you can do to be involved and people that you
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can support when it comes to this, to these things. I don't want to say it's out of your hands,
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but you, you cannot directly impact it, but you can indirectly. And the more men you rally around
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these important issues to you, whether it's the Epstein files or, uh, you know, open borders
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or, you know, name it, name your issue, foreign wars, um, monetary corruption, like whatever your
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issue is, start enlisting people into the cause of, of what you believe.
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Totally. What counsel do you give Ryan, right? Around like that pendulum swinging, right? And,
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and you're the guy that just gets so wrapped up into politics that we kind of lose ourselves in it
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and we're not empowered. We're now just victims of it. And it's controlling us in a negative way. Like
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where's the balance of get involved, take some action, do something about it, but don't,
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don't, you know, let it suck you in, right? What, what counsel do you have for the guys around that?
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I think what happens when we get sucked into things like these, these, these types of issues
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in an unhealthy way, what ends up happening is we just surround ourselves with other people and we
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just talk about it all the time. And we just work ourselves up, we get riled up and then we never do
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anything about it. It's, it's interesting when you, when you ask men what's important to them and they
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say, Oh, my family's important. My health is important. My career, my financial success is
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important. I'm like, cool. Pull up your calendar and pull up your bank account. Show me. And you
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look at their calendar and they say their family's important, but there there's nothing on the
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schedule for kids as games or time with the kids or a vacation with the kids. It's like, well, I
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thought you said your family's important. Well, well, yeah, they're important, but like I have these
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other things to do. It's like, okay, so they're not as important as you're saying, or they'll say
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their health's important. I'm like, cool. Jump on the scale. Let's, let's have a look. And you're,
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you're 30 pounds overweight. You said, you said health was important to you. Well, no, no, no. Like
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it's important, but like, I don't have time to go to the gym and eating healthy is expensive. Like,
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okay, then it's not important to you. And it's the same thing with these issues. When guys just sit
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in circles and they just verbally vomit all of this stuff to each other and get each other all
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riled up and worked up, nothing's going to come of that. And so what I would say is if it really
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is important to you get involved in something where you actually have somewhat of an impact
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and maybe that's sitting on your local school board. And now you're focused on protecting children
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from sexual misconduct. That's a, that's a good thing. Is it directly related to the Epstein
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files? Not directly, but it's part of it. The, the sexual abuse of minors. Uh, maybe it's getting
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elected to city council and putting some plans in place for under, uh, served children in the
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community that are more susceptible to drug abuse, sexual abuse, all sorts of vile and disgusting
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acts. You can do that, but don't say it's important. If all you're going to do is talk
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about it, actually do something about it. Yeah. You know, it, um, that reminds me of the fact
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that we have the men's forge event coming up in April, right? And that's an area by which
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you can say, you know, these certain elements are important to me, right? You have Larry
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Hagner coming, right? Well, with dad's dad edge, and it's probably going to talk about
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what fatherhood, right? And how we show up in the home. And these, these are ways that
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you can be banding with us with order of man, uh, and coming to this event as a way of doing
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something about it. Right. It's easy, right? It's so easy. We've seen it over the years,
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right? Guys saying these things are important to me and I need to do something, but, but action
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doesn't show it. Right. And so whether it's joining the iron council or even promoting like
00:55:33.440
the guests that you've talked about, Ryan, just recently that you've had on the podcast and, or
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joining us for the men's forge in April, these are ways that you can start getting on the court.
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I always love this analogy. If you don't mind me sharing, this is most people are watching the game,
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the game of life. They're sitting in the bleachers, watching it played. And, and they're like
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most fans. Oh man, come on, you know, stop turning it over. Oh, look at the ref. Oh,
00:56:04.280
he made a mistake. Come on. You guys are better than that. Right? Like we're all coaching from the
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sideline, but few people are willing to say, you know what? Put me in, put me in, let me show,
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let me put in the reps and let me start controlling the outcome of the game instead of being a spectator.
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And so one way that you can join the game and start playing the game is to go to the men's
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forge.com sign up April 23rd to the 26th is that event later this year. Yeah. You know,
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the other thing it does to Kip is it puts you in proximity to other men who are actually interested
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in the same things that you are. You know, I can't tell you how many times I've seen in the iron
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council and with the men's forge and other events that we've run where guys get together and they're
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now buddies. Like they are inseparable buddies or I've seen business partnerships start because of
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it. I've seen so many incredible things because you're putting yourself next to other men who are
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aligned with the values and virtues that you're aligned with. It's pretty incredible.
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Yeah. Amen to that. I, I, I'm a, I've had that through the years, right. Of going to our events that
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I'm like, just like, I'm just a better man because I'm surrounding myself with better men and those
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relationships get forged. Yeah, absolutely. I love it, man. Well, good guys. Great questions
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today. I took a bunch of notes again. Awesome questions. I'm loving the questions. I really
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like the direction we're going with these questions and that's a testament to what you guys are doing
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and your thoughtfulness about wanting to be a better man for yourself, your family,
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your community. So it means a lot that you have these good questions that you're asking and engaging.
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Most of all, you know, biggest thing is take this information. And if you found something that was
00:57:44.780
useful for you, apply it. And if you heard something that you think is useful for somebody
00:57:50.180
else, another man in your life, share it. That's my ask of you outside of coming to the men's forge.
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But guys, we'll be back next week for our interview until then go out there, take action and become a
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man. You are meant to be. Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast. You're ready to take
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