The Mindset of Discipline, Law of the Harvest, and Developing a Curious Mind | ASK ME ANYTHING
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In this episode of the Order of Man Podcast, we are joined by our good friend Kip Sorensen to talk about how to become a better man. We also answer some of your questions and talk about the importance of being a man of action.
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart
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your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who
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you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,
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you can call yourself a man. All right, Mr. Kip Sorensen, we're back. We're doing this live again.
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Life seems to work pretty well. Guys are enjoying it for whatever reason. It's probably because of
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you, not because of me. It's because they're not doing their jobs. Get off social media and get
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some shit done and stop browsing Facebook. No, this is important. They can do it in Order of Man.
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That's excusable. That's acceptable. Oh, okay. Nowhere else, though. If you're anywhere else,
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don't be doing that. The only place on Facebook where you actually become a better person is
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Order of Man Facebook group. All other places, waste of your time. Well, I won't say become a
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better person. I'll say learn to become a better person because at some point, guys, you do have
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to apply it. Yeah. Action is still required. Yes. I mean, we're trying to do as much as we can,
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but come on. You got to do some of the work here for us. Yeah. Are you Kika today instead of Kip?
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Oh, does this say Kika? That's funny. Here, let me change that. Yeah. All right. Well,
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good. While you're doing that, guys, we're going to field some questions. If you're listening to
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this recording on a podcast, then you're too late. We already asked for your questions and
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we're going to answer the ones we have. If you're listening to this live, we're going to get through
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as many of the pre-questions that we already had set up because we want to honor that.
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And then if, like I said, if we have time, then we'll try to get to some real-time questions that
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you're asking in the Facebook group, which you can check out at facebook.com slash groups
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slash order of man. All right, let's get into it. How do I change my name? We're leaving it,
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man. We're leaving it. All right, hold on, hold on. I'll, I'll change it for you. Don't,
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don't do anything. Let me change it here. Can you change it for me? Oh dude, I, I've got the power.
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That seems like an overreach of authority. I've got the power, man. Well, since I pay for it,
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I figure that's a, there we go. Yeah. That's a side tip. Nice.
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All right. Let me change it for real here. Yeah. I appreciate that. Uh, oh, hold on. Now
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it's asking if I want to remove you. I don't want to remove you. I want to rename you.
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That's funny. All right. This is what happens when, uh, your kids are having to meet with,
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uh, school teachers via zoom. There we go. Got it. Pandemic world that we live in.
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Did I spell your name right? Uh, Danish. Yep. Yep. You got the Danish version. That's the E N
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instead of the O N. What's the O N. If E N is Danish, Swedish, Swedish. All right. Well,
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there you go. There's your, there's your history lesson for the day. All right. Let's get to
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questions. All right. Uh, we're going to fill the questions from the iron council or exclusive
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brotherhood. Learn there, uh, learn more about the icy go to order of man.com slash iron council.
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First question, Billy Trehalo. What is one song on your workout playlist to get you going?
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I don't, I don't listen to a whole lot of music. So you podcast it normally, right?
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, other, yeah, I just podcast. I don't listen to a whole lot of music. You know,
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when I was younger, maybe like thunderstruck or some sort of guns and roses to get us going
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like before a football game, you know, but I don't need to get hopped up. I just,
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I just go in there and do my work and I, I listen to podcasts. Yeah. That YMCA YMCA Ryan.
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Of course. Yeah, of course. The dance and YMCA usually gets him pumped.
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That's just a given. Like, I didn't even know I needed to answer that question. I thought that
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was just a given. Oh, that's funny. All right. Thomas Zimmerman. How do you get into the head
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space of remaining consistent? I've now recognized that as a challenge of mine and understand small
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continuous steps are necessary. However, sometimes even those small steps are forgotten. Any tips?
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So get into the head space, remaining consistent.
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This one, this is actually something I don't deal with a whole lot. So it's hard for me to formulate
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an answer. It's like, you just do it. But that, but that's not a, that's not a great answer.
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Yeah. That's like the Jocko answer. Yeah. Right. Right. You just do it. Yeah. And sometimes actually
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that's appropriate, but I'm trying to really think about, okay, like what can you do? I think having
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a system in place is really important. A lot of guys just don't have a system in place. We know
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that for example, through scientific study, that willpower is fleeting, right? Like you have a
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certain amount of reserves of willpower. And then throughout the day, depending on how often and
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how much you're using it, you get, you get tired, right? You get fatigued and get drained of that
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willpower. So to me, and James Clear talks about this a lot in his book, Atomic Habits. It's not
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really about the will to be disciplined. It's about the creating the structures to be disciplined.
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So if you can notice yourself where you're falling off track, where you're falling short,
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where you get derailed, if you can try to identify what that is, and we do that in the
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after action review. So if you identify where it is that you're getting derailed and then start
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coming up with a system or a process or a set of procedures that keeps you from getting derailed,
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then you won't have to tap into that willpower. You don't, you don't have to, to will discipline
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into existence. It's like, you just go through the steps. I think of a, like a flight, a flight
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plan or a flight manual for, for a pilot, right? Like he, he goes through step one, step two,
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step three, step four, step five, step six. And it's not like he's exerting some massive levels
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of willpower. He's just going through the steps because he has those steps in place.
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So I think you really need to ask yourself, are you just saying, okay, well, I want to go work.
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I want to work out every day. That's a good, that's a good objective. That's, that's, that's
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important. But unless you have the system, like, okay, here's the routine I'm going to do.
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Here's how I'm going to hold myself accountable. Here's what time I'm going to do it. When I don't
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feel like doing it, here's what I'm going to say, or here's how I'm going to behave. I have all of my
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clothes laid out the night before I've got a pre-workout here. Like you have that process in
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place. And I think you're much more likely to execute it. One other thing I'll say on this
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subject is take a step back for a second. Cause a lot of guys tend to be very action oriented,
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which is great. You should be action oriented. And I think that's a wonderful thing.
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But if you're not thinking about long-term vision and what it is ultimately you're trying to
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accomplish, then you're selling yourself short and you're setting yourself up for failure when
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things get challenging or demanding or distracting. But if you formulate a vision upfront ahead of time,
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and then you don't feel like doing the thing that you want to do, you can remember, Oh wait,
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here's why I'm doing this thing. In fact, right now, and I've told you a little bit about this Kip,
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I'm going through, uh, well, developing a program. It's a 30 day program. It's free.
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Everybody can access it. Uh, and it's designed to get you in a period of 30 days to be quote unquote
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battle readiness, which is to be completely ready for the battle that you're going to have to face
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in the relationships, in your business, in your, your, your bank account, your spiritual health,
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everything that we need to do on a daily basis. So if you're interested in that, cause this will
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help you formulate your vision and then work into some of these objectives and tactics and systems,
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uh, just go to our, I don't have it up ready yet. Just go to our website. Stay tuned.
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No, go to our website and then just sign up for the newsletter. Cause I'm going to send out a message
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when it's available and, and everybody will be able to access it there. But I would say the systems
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and processes are very important. Did I lose you? He's taking notes. Yeah. No, I'm, yeah. I'm just
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listening though, but go ahead. No. Well, I was going to add to what you're saying is you got to
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trust the process, I think. And when we trust the process, we eliminate all the noise and the meaning
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that we're have to put around the tactic that we're working on. You mentioned vision, Ryan.
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One of the things that that's nice about that vision is you can look at the vision and say,
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okay, this is where I'm going for. This is the purpose. I'm doing this. And now I'm going to
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eliminate all the meaning around whether I should do this or not, AKA trust the process.
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Right. So I think a lot of guys get, they get tripped up because they're like, well, is this
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like, let's think about the flight plan. For instance, if half of those steps, the pilot's
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not sure if that's really necessary or not, then as he's going through the steps, he's like, well,
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and I do, we need to do it. And then he's like getting in his own head. Well, is this step really
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needed? And is it? No, he, he knows he's identified. Like these are the things I need to do.
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And he just does them. Right. He trusts that process. He trusts that these steps
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are going to ensure like a safe, you know, flight or whatever. And, and so I think you need to do
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the same. Now, with that said, we talked about this on the iron council, where we have these
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checkpoints where we check and validate is our tactic in the right direction. That's great.
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But until the checkpoint comes, heads down, trust the process, just do the work. Right. I think,
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uh, was it Horton that does P90X? He has a phrase. I love it. It's like, do your best,
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forget the rest. It's like, just do your best in the moment. Just do your best. Don't worry about,
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oh, how many pushups can you do? Don't even worry about that. Just try to do as many as you can do.
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Yeah. And if you come short, you come short, but don't worry about it. Like don't add all this other
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meeting, trust the process and then push forward. And then eventually when that checkpoint comes,
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then validate, okay, is, uh, are the things that I'm doing progressing in the right direction?
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If they are awesome, if they're not pivot and then trust the process again.
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Right. Yeah. Because there is a point in time where you ought to question and we'll just keep
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going on this fight flight plan analogy. Like you ought to question the flight plan, right? Like,
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is this, is that there is a time, but not when you're about to take off and not when you're flying,
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flying the plane, like you want to figure that stuff ahead of time. And then you land and you're like,
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okay, how did that go? Yeah, it worked. Or no, it didn't. Or here's how we can be more efficient.
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So there is a process for that as well. Uh, I would also say in order for you to trust the process,
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because sometimes you're going to be so involved in the process and you're not going to see results.
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So let's say, let's use fitness as an example. If you're 50 pounds overweight and you just cut
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out some sugars and processed sugars, and you go to the gym every day this week for an hour,
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you're probably going to lose 10 pounds. Like as a man with a normal metabolism,
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you're probably going to lose 10 pounds this week. And then next week, you're going to lose
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five pounds. And then next week, three, and then one, and then one, and then half a pound.
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So it's the law of diminishing returns. So initially you're all hopped up. Cause you're
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like, dude, I lost 10 pounds and killing it. Yeah. Right. So you're, of course, that's going to be
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motivating and inspiring you. You're going to keep going, but due to the law of diminishing returns
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in four weeks, it's going to be harder for you to see the result, which is going to create a
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situation where you're less likely to be motivated and inspired because you're not seeing the results.
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So in that moment, in order for you to trust that the process is working,
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you need to have two things, a little bit of faith that it's working, and you need to have
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some sort of information that you're on the right path. That could be a course that you're taking,
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uh, a coach who you've hired, who's teaching you the process. It might even be, Hey, I just watched
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this guy do it and I'm just doing what he does. There has to be something out in front of you,
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proving that what you're doing is correct. Otherwise a lot of self doubt, a lot of questioning
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comes into play when you're in the midst of diminishing returns. Yeah, totally. I can think
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of numerous times in my life where I had a goal and an objective, and then I stopped.
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Um, and then two months later, I looked back and thought, Whoa, you know what? I wonder where
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I'd be right now. Yeah. If I kept doing that every day. And in most cases, I think all of us would say
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I'd be way better off. Of course. But it's ironic is when you're in the trenches, you're like,
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I don't know if this is working or whatever, but you look back at it. You're like, man,
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if I was just doing that every day, I know without a doubt that I'd be in a way better place.
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Well, here's an interesting thing too, around this time is I say this time I'm talking about
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specifically like with the fallout from Corona virus and all the doubt and uncertainty. People
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talk about this when they have these weird, uh, work schedules too. There's so much uncertainty,
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volatility, unknown. It's like, what do I do? Do I create a plan right now? Not knowing
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guys, there's things that you can do that, that are going to work regardless of what the future holds,
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like going to the gym and exercising is, is good for you, regardless of what you're going to be
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doing in 30 days, right? Eating right, balancing your bank account, making smart financial decisions,
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investing money in a prudent way, communicating effectively with your wife and your children,
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taking time to develop new skills and new hobbies. That's not wasted effort ever. So there are things
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that you can be doing right now that are going to apply and put you in a better position
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regardless of what the future holds. So be very careful of using the future as an excuse not to
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do anything. Then we're, and we're going to go on the plane analogy some more because then it's like
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you're in this holding pattern and you're waiting for some external source to tell you it's okay to
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land. It's like, what are you going to be doing in that meantime? And that's why it's really important
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in times like this, that you're actually bettering yourself and improving yourself. I can't tell you
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how often I hear from people I've even been shamed for it, for being productive during this time,
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because apparently that's inconsiderate. Like if I'm, if I want to be better and I'm encouraging
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other people to improve their lives, then I'm being inconsiderate of people who are dealing
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with difficult situations or who want to use this time as a quote unquote reset. I've never seen more
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people fight for mediocrity and complacency than I have during this time. And look, if you're in that
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camp, cool, do you or whatever, but don't you dare be offended or, or, or threatened by somebody
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who's choosing to take this time and better themselves and improve themselves. If you want
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to do your thing, do your thing, but let other people, well, not let, because it's not really up
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to you, but just forget about the people who are succeeding and thriving. You've made your choice.
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These people have made their choices. So deal with it. You, you made your bed, you lie in it.
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It gets me so riled up, man. Cause I, I start thinking about this and it's like,
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we think like, first off, what does everyone's problem thinking that circumstances need to be
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aligned to actually take action? Like you want some consistent in the life. Here's the consistency.
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There is no consistency. There is no guarantee. It's going to end up the light. We, we use this
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analogy all the time when guys talk about, you know, when I'm ready to have kids, you'll never be ready
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to have kids. The, your, your work schedule is never going to be perfect. Your kids are not going to be
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all, they're all not going to be, they're not going to grow up to be amazing people. Like
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speak for yourself, man. My kids are going to grow up to be amazing people, but life is tough
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and it's full of uncertainty. Right. And by the way, future is what? I know a word. That's all it is.
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There is no tomorrow. Tomorrow's a word that, uh, that it represents something that has not yet
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happened. All you have is right now, period. So if you can't do it now, then you're not going to do it
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later. Like I, I love that. And now, like I use this term on my kids all the time. Like we have
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this tendency to like, even as adults, we think, Oh, if I have something nicer, right. It's the kind
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of our B do have, right. If I, if, if I have these things, then I'll be happy. Or if I had a nicer
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house, then I would take care of it. That is all just BS. It is all 100% BS. And, and by the way,
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they're all out of your control. Most of them. So how you show up, the kind of person you show up,
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whether you put regiments in your life to become better, whether it's through physical workout or
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increasing your spirituality, those things just need to happen on your own, regardless of
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circumstance. That's what defines us. Right. Is how we show up regardless of circumstance.
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Right. Yeah. I like that. We're talking about these laws, right? Law of diminishing return. Now
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you're talking about law of the harvest. Like you don't get to reap what you didn't sow.
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Totally. Like if you want more money, then you have to prove yourself capable of handling money
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now. And then you've proven to the universe or God or what nature that you can handle more
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responsibility because money doesn't make responsibility go away. If anything, it actually
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increases your level of responsibility. So if you want more, then you have to prove that you're capable
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of handling what you have. I think about that in the context of even relationships. I want a better
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relationship with my wife, dude, that's great. But like that starts today. You have to handle the
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relationship that you have now so that your future relationship will be that much better. I want more
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money. Cool. Manage the money you have right now. When I was a financial advisor, people would say,
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Hey, Brian, what's the best rate of return you can get me in the market? And I'd say, well,
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tell me how much money you're setting aside consistently. Oh, nothing. Well then 0% or 10%. It doesn't
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matter. Yeah. You, you, you aren't managing your, you aren't being a good steward over your
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resources now. So anything that I tell you doesn't apply to your situation. You aren't in the position
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to do anything about it. Yeah. In fact, it's funny that you bring this up because when you're using
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the analogy of working out and you know, you're mentioning how you lose weight the first week and
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it reduces when you're telling that story, I was immediately like, that's perfect. It's a perfect
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design. Your, your body's saying, Hey, guess what? I'm going to give you a lot of wins right away
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to create some momentum. And guess what? If you want to level up, it's going to be a little bit
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harder. Right. And when you're ready to level up, it's going to be a little bit harder. And when you
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want to level up some more, it's going to be a little bit harder. Welcome to life. And it's
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ironic that the workout, even such the workouts, the same way, everything is a little bit harder.
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Yeah. And I, I'm doing, you guys can see, like you can see my guitar right there. Right. So I've been,
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I've been practicing. Yeah, man. I've been practicing at least, at least minimum 20 minutes every
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single day. Sometimes I go for an hour, others I get 10 minutes in. And you're using that app and
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that app just tells you what chords to work on. Yeah. So I'll pull it up here. So if you're on
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the app, I downloaded the app after the last AMA. Cause I was like, I should just do that same
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thing. Cause I try to learn a song, but I'm like, well, maybe I should just like actually learn some
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chords and yeah. Yeah. And it gives you a path to run on, but that's the app that I use.
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Uh, there it goes. Use issues. That text message you got there. Oh, don't worry. Don't worry about
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that one. Yeah. That's for my wife. Don't worry about it. Um, the kids are distraught. I shouldn't
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say that. Nevermind. Anyways, here's the app musician. All right. So you can pick a path.
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And then last night I was playing on the guitar. My wife was in the kitchen and, uh,
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and I was getting very frustrated cause I couldn't get this like one song and it has you go and you
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have to hit so many stars before you. And it's listening to you. Yeah. It's listening to you
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telling you, okay. Guitar hero on your, it is with a real guitar instead of like a,
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a game or whatever. Yeah. But it gets harder, right? It just gets harder and harder. And like
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last night I'm like, damn. And my, and I, and I didn't know my wife was in the other room and she
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just laughs. I'm like, what? She's like, ah, just listening to you play. And it, but it gets
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progressively harder. And we want that. Like we, as human beings, we actually want that. We crave that.
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Yeah. Right. It's the same. This is the phenomenon that happens even with video games. And I'm not a
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gamer. Like we don't have a video game console or anything in our house, but if, if you had the
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cheat code to everything and, and you had all the tools and all the skills of your little character
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immediately, it would be fun for like an hour. Yeah. And then you're like, okay, this is stupid.
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I'm done because it's not hard. It's no, it's not a challenge anymore. So innately we want to be
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challenged and, and it just, it gradually builds up. Anyways, I think we've beat this question.
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Yeah. I was going to say, how many different more angles can we address? I mean, we probably
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answered like 10 questions at this point, but really technically we've only got through one.
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Is that a mountain ops jacket? That's pretty bad. Yeah. Is it a target there? Yeah. It's got my
00:20:11.220
mountain ops representing. Yeah. Yeah. That's nice. All right. Jordan Stanley,
00:20:15.880
have you set any checkpoints for escalation within the conversation of government overreach
00:20:20.560
when to disobey? Are you willing to get arrested for it? And does that sacrifice your ability to
00:20:26.960
take care of your family and be better first line of defense? Yeah. I won't say that I've set
00:20:32.200
certain checkpoints, but there's certain things that like, I'm just not going to adhere to like in
00:20:36.800
the state of Maine right now. There is a, there's an order as far as I know, it's still,
00:20:41.620
still there that if you're in a public space and I don't know if it's outdoors or just indoors that
00:20:47.700
you have to wear a mask. I'm like, I'm not going to wear a mask. I'm not wearing a mask. And I'm at
00:20:53.220
this point I'm thinking, you know, like if somebody has a problem with that, it's like, well then stay
00:20:56.820
inside. Yeah. Like if you have a problem with that or you have a compromised immune system or
00:21:02.340
you don't agree with that, then don't go outside. It's as simple as that. And people say, oh,
00:21:08.980
that's inconsiderate. No, it's not. It's inconsiderate to shut down 99.9% of people's
00:21:14.680
lives because 0.03% of the people that, that, that, that walk around on this planet might contract
00:21:23.840
this illness. I mean, it's not, and, and people say, well, that's, that's, I can't believe you
00:21:28.220
want people to die. What are you talking about? It's like, I don't want people to die, but there
00:21:34.360
are ramifications, negative ramifications for what we're doing on people's emotional, mental,
00:21:40.560
physical, spiritual, financial health. Like this is a real, there's real consequences to what we're
00:21:45.000
doing here. So yeah, I think you have to weigh to answer Jordan's question. You have to weigh the,
00:21:50.420
the response. You have to weigh the risk. There's risk in everything. If we open the economy back up
00:21:55.620
a hundred percent, there's risk associated with that. Do I believe we should do that? No, probably
00:21:59.520
not at this point. Um, but if you want to open your restaurant or your place of business, then I say all
00:22:04.700
the power to you. And then people can decide for themselves as sovereign individuals, whether or not
00:22:09.220
they'd like to take the risk. Exactly. Yeah. And if you, and if you do, then you live with those,
00:22:15.480
those consequences. And if you don't, well, okay, there's consequences to that too. So yeah, I think
00:22:22.080
it's important that we question what is happening right now. To me, it is apparent. And I did a
00:22:26.240
podcast several weeks ago about this, that there is a tremendous overreach of, of government. So yeah,
00:22:33.140
I think we, at a minimum amount of question, the motives and intentions of, of these politicians.
00:22:38.320
And if we're willing to, uh, evaluate the risk and, and shoulder the burden of the risk,
00:22:46.220
then yeah, I think some civil disobedience is in order. Absolutely. Yeah. So what I tell my boys
00:22:53.420
whenever, I think we should always question whenever our freedoms are being taken away. And, and let me
00:23:02.700
clarify that every lot to some extent is a, is a little bit of freedom taken away. Something as simple as
00:23:09.900
if you don't wear a seatbelt, you can be put in jail is a form of a little bit of freedom, right? Being taken
00:23:17.000
away where we say there's some associated consequence for your actions and you can't do those things or
00:23:23.120
there's a repercussion and the government will step in. And, and I'm not saying like certain of certain
00:23:27.940
things are not okay, but I'm just saying we should always pause and go, wait a second. Is this a good
00:23:34.220
idea? Is this necessary? We should always question those scenarios because that is a very, very dangerous
00:23:40.160
place to go. Well, not only should we do it, we have a civic responsibility to do it. It's written in our
00:23:47.040
founding documents that anytime a government oversteps its bounds, that we have a right and responsibility to
00:23:54.080
check that government. So people will say, you need to, you need to obey the law. Yeah, I agree.
00:24:01.020
Do you need to obey the law? And our founding documents suggest that if there's an unjust rule
00:24:06.140
or law, that not only do we question it, but that we oppose when we fight and rebel against it.
00:24:13.460
Yeah. And that's more about the law than, than the imposing, right? Exactly. It's a found,
00:24:18.580
it's the founding charter. It's the founding documents. Yeah. Yeah. Got to be a really
00:24:23.880
careful. All right. Drew Sands. What are some things you guys have been doing to engage your
00:24:29.440
wives during this time? We used to go out weekly, but obviously can't right now, playing card games,
00:24:34.860
watching shows, bike rides together right now. But I'm curious if either of you have exceeded
00:24:40.060
expectations with an at-home date night. I haven't done that, but that's a good idea.
00:24:45.760
Yeah. Yeah. I should consider that. Um, other, other than that, very similar to what you do,
00:24:51.540
you know, like we, we, we do walks in the evening. We'll be outside playing. We do even just working
00:24:57.660
in the yard. Like we trimmed down a ton of trees, uh, over the weekend from our little Creek that we
00:25:03.740
have outside and just cleared that path. And we had a good time doing that. Um, what else puzzles?
00:25:09.840
Like we're way into puzzles. We do a puzzle every single day or Legos together with the family.
00:25:14.840
Yeah. We do a lot of puzzles. You can't even find puzzles at Walmart, believe it or not.
00:25:20.200
Like because everyone's bought them. Everybody's buying them. Yeah. I'm like these weekend warrior
00:25:25.500
puzzlers. Like they only do it when it's convenient. We've been doing it forever. Even when it's not
00:25:30.380
convenient. We're OG puzzle makers. That's right, man. Don't you forget it. So you better leave some
00:25:35.740
puzzles here for us. Uh, but I do like the date night idea. That's cool. Yeah, that's great.
00:25:43.120
I, uh, he said something on here that I was, uh, nah, I can't remember. Are you censoring his
00:25:48.660
comments? No, no, no, no. I was, uh, well, I was going to make some comment. I can't remember what
00:25:53.860
it was. Something about exceeding expectations. Yeah. All right. Robert Thompson, what is your
00:25:59.580
perspective on what it means to find yourself and can it happen multiple times throughout a multiple
00:26:05.340
times throughout one's life? There is no finding yourself. Like you're not hidden, right? Like
00:26:13.080
if you want to fight, like, think about that. If you're trying to find something, it means it's
00:26:17.040
been hidden or it's lost or like, it's just out there and you just have to find it. Yeah.
00:26:22.100
That's not how it works. And you don't find yourself. You create yourself. Yeah. And it has
00:26:27.680
find yourself almost has a final destination to it. We talked about this the other day. It's like
00:26:32.500
doing something perfect versus seeking excellence. Right. It's like, yeah, if someone's perfect,
00:26:38.300
then it's like a final destination. It's over. Once you reach it and yourself kind of has that
00:26:42.260
same connotation where it's like, Oh, I found myself. I'm done. It's like, well then not only
00:26:46.940
that, but yes, you're right. But it's also like this, this idea that there's like some sort of destiny
00:26:51.660
that like, once you find who you're meant to be, I don't buy into that. Yeah. Like I don't buy into
00:26:57.800
that every day you get to remake yourself every single day by your actions, by your choices,
00:27:03.640
by your hobbies, the people you spend time with what you do for work, how you engage with your
00:27:07.340
community and family members and neighbors every single day, you have an opportunity to remake
00:27:11.040
yourself. I mean, we're talking about the guitar earlier. Like I'm not a guitar player. Like there
00:27:16.140
wasn't some divine destiny that I pick up a guitar and that I become the world's greatest guitarist.
00:27:21.820
It's just, I happen to think it's cool. And like, I wanted to try it. And so I'm,
00:27:25.600
I'm playing and so I'm redefining in a very small way by playing the guitar, but I'm redefining today
00:27:31.520
who I am right now. Yeah. So I don't, I don't buy into the notion of like, Oh, you get to find
00:27:37.160
yourself. And people might say, you're talking about semantics. No words, words matter. Words
00:27:40.680
are important. And finding is much more passive than articulating than defining, creating. These are
00:27:48.320
the words that I choose to use for stepping into the type of man that I have a capability of becoming.
00:27:53.960
It's just potential right now. And every day I get to decide, am I going to move forward? Am I going
00:27:58.920
to expand and grow and excel? Or am I going to, going to fall behind? You know, but that's, that's
00:28:04.240
up to me. And it's not some external source or just some happenstance or luck that I trip over who
00:28:09.440
I'm supposed to be. It's me actually taking some steps in the right direction. My guy, like
00:28:14.920
podcasting, like I really feel like this is, this is a calling for me. This is something that's very,
00:28:20.980
very important for me, but like, I didn't just find it. Oh, bright light. I should be
00:28:25.860
a podcaster. That's, that's what I meant to do. No, like I had to start a podcast and
00:28:31.880
I had to figure it out. And then the podcast I was doing wasn't the conversations I wanted
00:28:36.460
to continue to have. So I needed to pivot and then have these conversations and then
00:28:40.080
evolve and expand my ability to interview and then do this third podcast, the ask me anything.
00:28:44.780
And then the second podcast, which was the Friday field notes, like you evolve, you grow,
00:28:49.440
you recreate, you redefine who you are through your actions. Yeah. I like a John Gary Bishop uses the
00:28:56.480
word exploring, you know, and I kind of like that because it has a sense of like create a curiosity
00:29:03.880
to life, like exploring what might work for you or passions and hobbies and just constantly exploring
00:29:09.640
even knowledge. Right. And as a little bit of that find your, you know, finding things, uh, within
00:29:15.120
there, but. And sometimes when you're exploring too, I like that word because you don't even know
00:29:19.140
what you're looking for. In fact, you aren't looking for anything sometimes like I'm just out
00:29:22.540
exploring. What does that mean? It just means you're out like seeing what you can see. And I think that
00:29:27.400
should be life is that, Oh, I'm interested in picking up the guitar. Cool. Go to, go to the pawn shop
00:29:34.420
and pick up a $50 guitar and go do it. And if you find out you don't like it, then, okay, well you
00:29:39.740
were exploring. There wasn't some preconceived thing that you were trying to accomplish. You were
00:29:44.300
just exploring. Or, um, I think of David Rossiter or not in, in the, uh, in the iron council. And
00:29:50.220
years ago he started, I don't know if he's been drawing for a long time, but years ago I saw that
00:29:54.580
he was doing more of it. And I saw some things on Instagram today, like his, his art is getting
00:30:00.180
better and better and better. And I imagine at some point he's like, I'm just exploring it. Oh,
00:30:04.540
that looks fun. And he tried it and he developed it. Right. And it gets better and improves.
00:30:08.560
So I do like the idea of the concept of exploring. It's cool. Yeah. Right. Clint McKynes. How was 75
00:30:16.120
hard coming along for you? It has been, uh, what has been the hardest about it? My wife and I are on day
00:30:22.220
64. I've dropped fat, gained muscle and walk and ran through soles of my shoes, but I've learned,
00:30:29.360
I've always got a bit more left in the tank and my habits can be set in stone if I make them a
00:30:34.700
priority. And for a kip, I miss you and jujitsu. I miss you too, Clint. Oh, that's chill. That's,
00:30:40.720
that's cute. That's cute. Um, 75 hard was going good until it wasn't. And I restarted. So I'm on day
00:30:48.480
22. Okay. And do you have to restart if you miss a day or I don't know the. Yeah. Yeah. If you miss a
00:30:56.000
day, then you have to restart the entire thing. That sucks. And it was one day I didn't do two
00:31:01.240
workouts is what I failed to do. So it's two workouts, two 45 minute workouts per day. One's
00:31:06.860
got to be outside. Um, it's got to be 120 ounces of, of water. Uh, read 10 pages of a book,
00:31:15.780
take a progress picture. I think I hit them all. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what you have to do every day.
00:31:21.140
It doesn't sound very difficult. The water thing is the hardest for me. Yeah. And every day is what
00:31:26.060
adds, well, I'm, I'm assuming at one point you might find yourself in bed at 10 PM and go
00:31:31.500
crap. I didn't get my other workout in. And literally because of the pressure of having to
00:31:35.960
restart over, you might hop out of bed. Yeah. And I've done that. I've done that. I'm pretty good
00:31:40.320
on the workout stuff. I'm that, that hasn't been too big of an issue. So it's like how it's built
00:31:46.080
upon each on. Yeah. You got to do it every day. It's not enough just to, and this goes back to the
00:31:50.160
first question we addressed. Like it's not enough to do it one day. You have to do it every single
00:31:54.360
day. So it's easy when you're hopped up and you're excited about it. It's hard when you're like,
00:31:58.500
uh, but that's where it counts. I read a great quote. I think it was by Muhammad Ali and I'm
00:32:04.120
going to, I'm going to butcher it, but he said something to the effect of he doesn't, he doesn't
00:32:08.860
start when he's exercising. He doesn't start counting until it hurts because it doesn't, it doesn't do
00:32:16.000
anything before it hurts. Yeah. The other one's just a warmup. It's only when it hurts, does he
00:32:20.340
start actually counting how many he's doing? I love that. That's, that's a really, I'm going to,
00:32:25.420
I want to, I want to read it again. I want to read it verbatim here. Hold on. I like that.
00:32:29.000
Cause it's actually really cool. Like it's, Oh, hold on. Let me, let me find it. So maybe next time
00:32:34.160
I'm, I'm catching someone in like a heel hook. I'll be like when they tap. Yeah. It doesn't count.
00:32:38.460
No, no, no, no. It doesn't count. You got to count three seconds. You have to wait until you feel pain
00:32:42.280
before you can start tapping. It said, he says, yeah, it's Muhammad Ali. He says, I don't count
00:32:48.180
my sit-ups. I only start counting when it starts hurting. When I feel pain, that's when I start
00:32:52.840
counting because that's when it really counts. Yeah. I like that. I like it a lot better. I like
00:32:57.960
your version better. Yeah. Well, you know, you should just, I get that a lot. I just, I just steal
00:33:02.660
people's quotes, make them my own. I'm like, yeah, I said that I created that. Well, I just said it.
00:33:07.020
You heard me. It's right there. It's all it's, it's in the podcasting world. Like it's there for
00:33:11.380
eternity. Now it's mine. Yeah, that's cool. I like that. All right. Evan Berwick, uh, what tools
00:33:17.460
and systems do you use to prioritize and execute on tasks, tasks that pop up in the day during the
00:33:23.420
quarantine period? I seem to have a lot more small tasks that jump up. Could this be a lack of effective
00:33:28.300
planning or oversight? Also, which of the new achievements are you most excited about to
00:33:33.120
complete? Um, I just use my battle planner. Like people ask all the time, like what systems pop up
00:33:38.900
and you immediately grab your planner and you write it in. And I just write it in. It's over
00:33:42.360
here. Otherwise I'd grab it and show you guys, but I just write it in. And then I look at it and I'm
00:33:47.060
like, okay, what is the most important thing that I do right now? That, okay. I do that. And then I
00:33:53.120
finish it or get as far as I can. Like I can't finish everything all the time. So I get as far as I can.
00:33:57.520
And then I look at it, the list again, I'm like, okay, what's the next most important thing?
00:34:01.380
Whether it pops up or whether it's planned, it doesn't matter.
00:34:03.600
It doesn't matter. I just look at it one, just one at a time. What's the most important thing
00:34:09.760
that I do right now? That is cool. Do that. Then when it's done, ask yourself again, what's the next
00:34:14.540
most important thing that cool. Do it again. The reason I actually liked that system is because
00:34:18.920
things changed throughout the day, right? Like I might get a phone call or, or have an appointment
00:34:23.700
or a potential podcast that comes up that wasn't initially planned for. And so if I plan it methodically
00:34:28.720
and, and, and meticulously each and every day, then it allows for no flexibility based on external
00:34:34.400
circumstances that are beyond my control. So this is part of the concept and idea of adapting and
00:34:39.560
overcoming. Like you need to be able to adapt. And in order to do that, you have to give yourself
00:34:43.200
some margin and space to be able to adapt when the situation calls for it. So I'm not pinned.
00:34:49.140
There's certain things I'm pinned to. Like we, we record this podcast at 1130.
00:34:53.760
Yeah. Appointments. Yeah. Yes. And then there's other things that I'm not pinned to. So I'm going to
00:34:58.200
write a couple of emails for our battle, battle readiness program this afternoon. I don't know
00:35:02.820
if I'm going to do it right after we get off this, off this call, or if I'm going to do it in two
00:35:06.360
hours. It just depends on when we get done with this call, my answering the question, what is the
00:35:11.260
next most important thing to do right now? Yeah, I like it. Well, and the only thing I'd add is you
00:35:17.100
got Stephen Covey's quadrants. I forgot what he calls those quadrants, the four quadrants, but like,
00:35:22.520
I think understanding the distinction between urgent and important and not urgent important is important.
00:35:28.200
Yes. To understand. Right. So then that way you're like, yeah, this is important, but it's not
00:35:32.200
urgent. So it can be scheduled if it's urgent and important, then obviously it needs to happen. Now
00:35:37.360
one, one area I fall, and maybe you have some, some tactic around this Ryan is it's kind of funny.
00:35:44.320
I will schedule time to do my email because one could almost just have a full-time job, like
00:35:50.020
emails, right? You got to batch those things. Yeah. So I'm trying to batch it. And it's funny because
00:35:54.540
I'll read the email, consume and understand the email. And if there's an action item coming out
00:36:00.840
of it, my, my tendency used to be like, well, I don't have time for that right now. But the irony
00:36:06.260
is it's ineffective for me to put it off to the side and have to reread that and go through the
00:36:14.380
mental process of understanding the action item versus just addressing it in the moment. And so
00:36:19.400
I've started saying, okay, if I'm, and I'm using email as an example, if I read this email
00:36:25.100
and I understand, and it required some, you know, brain cycles to like comprehend an action item.
00:36:31.120
If the action takes less than like a few minutes, I just do it right then because it's actually less
00:36:37.960
effective for me to put it off to the side and then come back to it, rehash through it and then
00:36:42.940
execute. And so I, I, but it's a balance, right? Because then I could get wrapped up and just
00:36:48.180
do emails the entire time as well. So it's, yeah, just don't even look if you're not going to do it.
00:36:53.740
Exactly. But that's kind of been a rule. It's like, if I can tackle or address this within a few
00:36:57.920
minutes, I do it immediately right now. So it's off my table. It's not like this overhanging item
00:37:03.340
that I now have to document and execute later at another time. Yeah. There's a concept in lean
00:37:08.740
manufacturing. And I learned this from Pete with origin and he shared with me, you don't ever want to
00:37:13.720
touch things twice. Yeah. That's the whole goal. So for example, like if, um, if I'm filling orders,
00:37:22.320
me and my son are filling orders and then he makes a box and then he just sets a bunch of boxes there.
00:37:29.360
And then I come in after, and then I grabbed the box and I put a shirt in it. That's been folded.
00:37:34.900
You know what I mean? Like you're touching it multiple times. It's not nearly as efficient to make
00:37:40.640
the box, put a shirt in it, make the box, put a shirt in it. So you make it first. You don't touch
00:37:44.440
it twice because every time you touch it, it represents an inefficiency. It's time wasted.
00:37:49.660
So they've actually done studies and research on this, on the effectiveness of how you time this out.
00:37:54.560
So there's that, um, don't touch it twice. There's also a couple of things that I got here is
00:37:59.580
decision fatigue, right? It's like, we, we talked about that a little earlier when you're having to
00:38:05.740
decide what you should be doing and how you're going to be doing it. There's fatigue in that.
00:38:09.700
And then Tim Ferriss introduced me to a concept and I can't remember exactly what he called it,
00:38:14.200
but the concept was, uh, that there's a lot of loss of energy and effectiveness and, and resources
00:38:21.600
when you're transitioning. Yeah. So for example, if we're doing this podcast, it's going to take me
00:38:27.580
a little bit to wrap my head around now going into email mode. And then when I switch from email mode,
00:38:33.820
it's going to take me a second to get over to what, like recording videos, right? So there's the,
00:38:41.640
the transitionary period. So the less transitions you can have, the better. So if you batch your emails,
00:38:48.380
there's a transition on the beginning and the end, and then you go into something else.
00:38:52.560
But if you do an email, then have a conversation, then another email, then record a video,
00:38:58.780
then another email, there's like eight transitions right there. Yeah. And those transitions will wear
00:39:04.920
you down and wreck your day. So you've got to be systematic and you've got to batch those things as
00:39:10.800
best as possible. Yeah. We talk about that a lot with programmers, right? It's like, you can't,
00:39:15.540
you can't be in the depths of writing software and then like, Hey, do you got a second quick
00:39:21.240
questions? Like, dude, you just destroyed 15 minutes of what my thought process was. And it's
00:39:26.820
going to take me 15 more to get back to where I was thinking. And it's just, it destroys productivity,
00:39:32.280
especially that kind of deep work. Right. Yep. Exactly. There you go, Evan. All right. Tim Beck,
00:39:38.760
this may sound a little far out there, but what the hell you said, ask anything. If you could
00:39:44.280
transform into any animal or creature, what would it be and why? What's this called in Harry Potter?
00:39:51.240
I don't know. I'm a nerd. What's the, uh, the person that can switch to an animal. All right.
00:39:58.500
Anyway, someone, I have no idea. Yeah. You know, like if you're a wizard that could transfer
00:40:03.380
into an animal, you're called a certain type of something wizard. Okay. Somebody else can answer
00:40:08.720
that. I don't know what it is. All right. What animal do you want to be? I'll just answer it. It'll be
00:40:13.980
fun. I don't know. A rhinoceros, maybe rhinoceros. They're bad-ass. Like they're armored. They just,
00:40:23.920
they don't let anybody else bother them. They're just like, I'm just going to sit here and do my
00:40:28.180
thing, which is like eating grass. And everybody's going to leave me alone because I've got this big
00:40:33.600
ass horn. And if something bothers me, I'll run it off and then I'll just go back to eating grass and
00:40:38.520
doing my thing. Like that seems like a pretty good life to me unless you're being hunted and for your,
00:40:44.500
for your horn. I just, I just want to be, you know, I just, I'd be an animal that just people
00:40:51.300
leave, leave me alone. Just leave me alone. Human. Maybe that's kind of works out well. Let me,
00:40:56.300
yeah. Yeah. Cause so many people leave me alone. Um, yeah, I just want to be left alone. Just do my
00:41:01.760
thing. That seems pretty good to me. All right. What would you be? No, what would you be? You're not
00:41:07.860
getting out of it. Dude. I, why I had too many dreams as a kid, like flying. Right. So I'd probably
00:41:13.340
enjoy being a, I'd like to be an Eagle. An Eagle. There you go. I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to be
00:41:19.780
a bird or any sort of fish or any, cause I don't like flying and I don't like swimming. Yeah. You'd
00:41:24.720
be stuck in the water all the time. I just want to be a rhinoceros. All right. I don't know why it
00:41:33.840
sounds funny, but yeah, I don't know. I don't think it's funny, but whatever.
00:41:37.860
Maybe that's why it's funny. Cause it's not right. Yeah. All right. Brad Schmidt cold showers.
00:41:45.300
Now that you live far North, do you use some hot water in your mix or do you still run straight
00:41:50.540
cold? Do you run straight cold? No. Brad's like thinking you're way tougher than you are. He's
00:41:56.040
like, man, Ryan's going straight cold all the time. You're like, I've never done that in my life.
00:42:00.020
I've never done that. I, I, uh, I'm assuming you have that one. Yeah, I have. I have,
00:42:06.000
I did some Wim Hof stuff and I've done the cold water and cold exposure. I hiked, I hiked this
00:42:11.600
mountain. What, what's that waterfall? Is it Timpanogos or there's a waterfall. Is that where
00:42:16.440
it is? Timpanogos? Where we went and you got brain freeze? Yes. Water. Yeah. I hiked up there
00:42:21.840
in a snow storm with just my boots and swim shorts on. Yeah. With your speedo. Yeah. No,
00:42:30.880
no speedo. But Steve Weatherford had his thong on and that was interesting to say the least.
00:42:38.340
Uh, but no, it was fun. It was a lot of fun, but I didn't get in the water that time. No, I,
00:42:42.240
I'm, I don't do like the, I occasionally I'll do a cold shower and I'll just gradually ease into it.
00:42:48.660
So people were like, Oh, now that you're in Maine, I'm like, we, yeah. Like we still the same
00:42:55.420
person. Yeah. It's still 2020. Like we didn't go back in time to like the 1400s. Like, it's funny
00:43:02.760
because people say that like, now that you're in Maine, do you have indoor plumbing? I'm like,
00:43:07.220
yeah, they do have indoor plumbing in Maine still, you know? There's a store and everything.
00:43:13.820
Are you going to survive the winter? Yeah. With the other one and a half million people that live
00:43:19.600
in the state, like we'll be okay. People have a very interesting thought of, of Maine. So yeah,
00:43:26.800
we still have hot water in Maine inside. It's pretty cool. We have electricity. Like I don't have to go
00:43:32.180
light the candles at night and it's kind of nice internet. Internet's a little slower, but you know,
00:43:37.440
I can still talk with you guys. Yeah. Yeah. No, I do. I do. I do cold showers occasionally. And if I
00:43:43.500
do, I just ease into it. Okay. There you go. Eric Goetz, how optimistic are you that the economy
00:43:50.420
turbulence from COVID-19 will cause more families to examine how they spend their money and to be
00:43:56.100
better prepared for future economic hardships by building an emergency savings fund?
00:44:00.320
I'm, I'm a hundred percent confident that a percentage of people will do that.
00:44:08.040
That's all I can say, man. Like there's going to be, people will learn. Yeah. And that's great.
00:44:13.420
You know, that's good. They'll be in a hard situation or they'll kind of wake up cause they'll
00:44:16.320
see somebody else in their, in their family or their circle, go through a difficult time and think,
00:44:20.040
oh man, I better do something about this. And then there's going to be those who don't do anything
00:44:25.340
because they either voluntarily choose not to, cause they have to exert themselves or because
00:44:30.360
the government gave them enough that they weren't forced or compelled. Yeah. Or they think that
00:44:36.960
somebody else will rescue them if anything bad happens or they're just not as impacted by what's
00:44:42.960
going on that it causes them any sort of contemplative reflection about their life. And if that's the
00:44:49.300
case, that's good. That's not a bad thing. So yeah, I'm confident that some people will improve
00:44:54.400
and I'm confident that other people won't. Aaron had a follow-up question to that. He says,
00:44:59.360
how many months of living expenses do you think a family should have in an emergency fund and any
00:45:04.660
other financial words of wisdom that you would provide? I mean, at a minimum, I would say three
00:45:10.420
minimum. Three months. Three months of expenses. All expenses paid. Yeah. And I'm not talking about
00:45:15.940
investing. Yeah. Yeah. Just expenses. So that would be skimmed down from your normal income. And,
00:45:22.460
and I'm not talking about investing. I'm talking about money, savings set aside there. It's
00:45:27.800
available. But I would say ideally six months, six to 12 months is where you should be. Now,
00:45:33.300
I wouldn't suggest that if you have 12 months reserves, that all of it being savings earning
00:45:38.080
0%. But I think at a minimum, if you're, if you're on that lower end, that you should have three months
00:45:44.020
of expenses in a savings account. So, you know, if you're making five grand or if your expenses are,
00:45:49.020
let's say they're, yeah, I don't know, five, five grand a month, let's say, or, or lower. I don't
00:45:53.320
know. Let's just say five for easy math. Then yeah, you should have 15,000 set aside. If you can
00:45:58.120
have 30,000, that's probably better. You know, they're now you're at six months. I would say you,
00:46:03.500
you ideally want to get up to six to 12 months. And at six months, I would probably maybe even
00:46:10.160
slightly earlier, consider some conservative, broadly diversified mutual funds outside of
00:46:18.560
your savings. Have you done any of those, those online, I don't even know what they're called.
00:46:23.140
Like robo advisors? No, online, online saving accounts that actually give you a decent percentage,
00:46:28.920
but it's not like tied to a bank. They're just like online savings.
00:46:31.660
Yeah. I think like allied has one, ing had one that I was using for a while. You can get like
00:46:36.840
three to 4%. Um, yeah, yeah. Just be aware of those. They might tie your money up for a certain
00:46:41.420
period of time. Similarly, like a CD would, uh, I see you can't just access it. Some of them you can,
00:46:47.960
some of you can't, you just want to make sure you look at the terms and conditions and make sure that
00:46:51.060
if you need your money, you have access to it. So I would, I mean, yeah, that's, that's good for
00:46:56.220
some money set aside, but you know, go from savings to investing, like legitimate investing.
00:47:00.440
And I'm not talking about picking stocks, talking about broadly diversified, low turnover mutual
00:47:06.980
funds. Yeah. And anyone that's doing investing, uh, at least from my perspective, like this downturn,
00:47:12.860
we have to keep in mind, right. When, when the, when the stock market takes a dump and I'm still
00:47:17.960
making the same investment each month. Yeah. You're getting it on discount up. I'm like, Ooh. Yeah.
00:47:23.820
Like what most people do. Nice. And this is weird because like, let's say you, you wanted a,
00:47:30.440
a new car. You want this, like this brand. It's not a great example. Let's say you want a new
00:47:36.540
computer. All right. Let's say you want a new computer. A PC. Yeah. Yeah. Well, okay. And,
00:47:43.040
and you want to, you want a PC cause whatever. And then you wait, not for it to go on sale,
00:47:49.280
but you wait. And then when it's marked up 20%, you're like, yes, it's time to buy.
00:47:55.500
And then you go buy that thousand dollar computer for $1,200. And then next week when it's $800,
00:48:03.500
then you're like, Oh, it's $800. I'm going to sell this. And so you sell it for $800.
00:48:09.900
And then you took a $400 loss. And then you you're like, Oh, but now I need a new computer.
00:48:17.000
I'm going to wait till it goes up to 1500. I'm going to buy it again.
00:48:21.980
Like we laugh. Cause it sounds stupid and it is stupid. If you're doing that in the market,
00:48:28.120
you are being a moron. You are allowing your emotions and that's what it is. You are allowing
00:48:33.600
your emotions to get the better of you. When things are high, you're like, Oh, buy the market's
00:48:38.260
awesome. I'm going to buy. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you're greedy. It's what we call greed. Okay.
00:48:45.220
And then when it's low, you're like, Oh, it's going to bottom out. There's no floor. Like it's
00:48:51.380
just going to bottom out and completely collapse. And every look, if the market collapses, you have
00:48:55.500
more to worry about than your money in the market. Like we're, we're in a bad, bad situation. All
00:49:02.080
right. Buy it when it's on sale, when that thousand dollar computer is $800, then you buy
00:49:08.240
it. And when it's at 1200, that's when you sell it. And then you go buy it for $900 and sell it for
00:49:13.620
15 and then buy it a thousand and sell it for 18. It's, it's math people. It's math. Your emotions
00:49:21.840
are creating all sorts of problems in your, your finances. I get it. We're, we're cause our,
00:49:30.000
our biggest, our biggest motivating factors. As far as emotions go are fear and greed,
00:49:37.420
fear and greed. I'm greedy. I'm going to buy now where it's high and it's going to keep going and
00:49:41.900
you lose your ass on it. Or I'm afraid I'm going to sell it all when I shouldn't. And I'm going to
00:49:47.400
realize that loss. I think Warren Buffett was asked, or somebody was asked, some prolific investor was
00:49:52.280
asked during the 2008, 2009, great recession. How much money did you lose in the market? He says,
00:49:58.820
I didn't lose anything. I didn't sell anything. Cause that's all it is in the market. It's
00:50:03.960
unrealized loss. If you sell it, you just realized all that loss. Yeah. Not a great position to be in.
00:50:11.080
Same thing with the same thing with real estate. People are like, Oh, in 2008 and we had, we had
00:50:15.880
properties in 2008. How much did you lose? Oh, we lost our ass. I didn't lose anything. Cause I didn't
00:50:20.740
sell my house. Yeah. It's still an asset. It's still an asset. It's not only that it's even the
00:50:27.320
number that it's worth. Let's say it's valued at $300,000. That's just a random number. It's not
00:50:31.940
even worth $300,000. It's worth whatever somebody will buy it for when you decide to sell it. And
00:50:37.480
when they decide to buy it, that $300,000 in this case is just a placeholder. That's all it is.
00:50:43.200
It doesn't mean anything. It just means that if you sell it now, somebody will likely buy it for
00:50:48.600
$300,000. But if you sell it tomorrow, it might be $297,000. It might be $305,000. Yeah. Unrealized.
00:50:54.620
Right. Got it. Got it. All right. Sorry. I was checking the questions on the Facebook. All right.
00:51:01.980
On the Facebook. Tyson Junkers, are you planning on any new merchandise? I'd be the first to order
00:51:08.360
a plaid order man button down shirt or even better yet a hatchet. A hatchet would be cool. I've got
00:51:16.300
some plans for some things there. Probably won't be doing any like sort of plaid button up because it
00:51:21.640
seems like we just have to buy that and then just slap our logo on there, which like, I don't know
00:51:25.540
if that's real compelling or even all that enticing for me. So probably, probably won't do that,
00:51:32.200
but we've got hats. We've got shirts. The hatchet thing is a cool idea. We've got some stuff coming
00:51:37.900
there. Yeah. Decals, battle planners, that sort of thing. So yeah, we do. We always have new,
00:51:42.520
I've got a new hat that should be here hopefully this week, a new hat designs, two new iterations
00:51:46.840
of it. So it's going to be cool. Cool. All right. George Sykes, what do you see the lockdowns
00:51:52.600
progressing? How do you see the lockdowns progressing? We'll start opening up businesses
00:51:59.180
slowly. Some States will lead the charge while others lag behind because they're a little delusional
00:52:03.960
about the way that this works and they've got ulterior motives. And then eventually the States
00:52:09.980
that are lagging behind to the people that live in those States will be so fed up that they'll
00:52:14.080
either decide to open up regardless, or they'll finally wake up and vote new people into office
00:52:20.940
who are rational and sane and logical, and we'll gradually get the entire economy opened back up.
00:52:29.260
All right. Anonymous. We don't get these very often. This might be like the second anonymous.
00:52:34.980
Did they send you a text or how do you... Remember how this happened last time I read
00:52:38.780
the person's name? Oh, and at the end they're like, please don't read this out loud.
00:52:43.020
Like, ah, would have been good information to do that ahead of time.
00:52:46.820
Yeah. So this guy say, please keep this anonymous. So Mr. Anonymous, here you go.
00:52:52.240
Well, hey, I mean, look, you just whittled out 50% of the population by calling him Mr. Anonymous.
00:53:01.780
Yeah. That's belittling. Yeah. Okay. My connection objective this quarter is to propose
00:53:09.660
to my girlfriend. Struggling to come up with measurable daily tactics, what are some things
00:53:14.920
I can do to make sure I'm staying on the right track to achieve this goal?
00:53:20.160
Look, proposing to your girlfriend is a weak objective. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm not
00:53:29.640
saying you shouldn't propose. I'm not saying that it isn't a good thing. I'm just saying like,
00:53:34.080
is it really an objective? Like propose to my girlfriend? No, it's not an objective. Like
00:53:40.780
you just do that any day. I'm not saying you shouldn't think about it and put some thought
00:53:44.740
into it. So I'm just saying you're overthinking this one is proposing to your girlfriend is not
00:53:49.800
a worthy objective. It's just not. Cause it's just one action. It's going to take you five minutes.
00:53:55.560
She's probably going to say yes. And then it's done. So if you're thinking about like with your
00:54:01.120
battle plan, you got to come up with a new objective. Like I want to buy a home so that when
00:54:07.980
my girlfriend and I do get hitched, we'll have a place to live. Okay. That's better. Right.
00:54:14.740
And so, so yeah, that, that's my opinion is asking, asking her to marry you is not, is not,
00:54:21.260
it's a worthy thing. It's a great thing. I don't want to diminish the importance of what you're
00:54:25.640
doing. It's just not a great objective for the battle plan. And, and keep in mind, right. When
00:54:30.480
we say objective, we're saying, what is the objective after 12 weeks of daily tactics? Right.
00:54:38.760
Like that doesn't even work into that framework, right? There's nothing you're going to do on a
00:54:43.320
daily basis that is eventually going to that all the, all that action is going to be required for
00:54:49.860
you to ask her hand in marriage. Right. Yeah. So just, you know, that's still a great thing,
00:54:54.660
but just don't make that the objective. It's not, it's not an, it's not a battle plan objective,
00:54:58.460
but there might be something else. So think a little bit deeper on that. Um, you know, maybe it's the
00:55:04.600
type of relationship you want to have. Maybe you guys want to move. Maybe you need to secure a
00:55:08.020
promotion before you ask her. Uh, maybe you need to finish college. And again, you're anonymous,
00:55:13.520
so I don't know, but maybe you need to finish like college before you ask her or whatever,
00:55:17.160
whatever the thing is that could be a more reasonable objective that leads up to you asking
00:55:23.000
her. Yeah. But I think you ought to reconsider your objective for, for what was it for connection or
00:55:30.340
what was it? Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Reconsider that one. Okay, cool. All right. We're going to
00:55:36.980
Facebook. You want to do a couple in here and yeah, let's take a couple more in there and then
00:55:40.240
let's go for about, I don't know, 10 minutes or so. Okay. Uh, this is these questions coming from
00:55:45.660
our Facebook group, facebook.com slash group slash order of man, Ryan, uh, alphabet during this
00:55:52.880
pandemic, how do you balance fighting for your rights, freedom to move about opening up protests,
00:55:58.420
et cetera, while also being informed and cognitive of science and doctors recommendations to stay in
00:56:04.540
for the health and safety of yourself and others? Yeah. I don't, I don't actually really buy into
00:56:10.340
the, the, the health and safety side a little bit. Not completely. No, I mean, look what we're
00:56:18.440
finding out. And I said this weeks ago, I think I actually said on this podcast, we're finding out
00:56:22.320
that this is marginally worse than the flu. Yeah. So yeah. Is there a risk? Yes, of course. And,
00:56:29.680
and it's real. And there are people, if you're older, if your immune system is compromised, if
00:56:34.700
you're dealing with health issues, then you ought to think twice about going out and, and being like
00:56:40.080
that. Um, but I, I'm not, I haven't bought into the whole idea that everybody needs to shelter in
00:56:45.880
place and nobody can talk to each other and nobody can go outside. And like, you can still social
00:56:50.360
distance responsibly. You can still be smart. You can wash your hands. You can have hand sanitizer.
00:56:55.400
You can keep from going to places where there's a lot of people. Like you can do all of that and
00:57:00.620
still believe in the data and the things that are being put out there. But yeah, I get frustrated
00:57:07.660
when I hear people say like, Oh, if you go out, like you're a science denier. No, it's just, I know
00:57:12.400
what the data is, what they've told us. And I'm willing to shoulder that risk. That's it.
00:57:19.200
That's it. And we do it all the time anyway, whether you realize it or not. Yeah. You're doing this
00:57:24.260
every day. You're, you're, you're playing a balance act of, is it worth the risk?
00:57:28.460
Well, look, here's a great example, everything. Exactly. You get in your car every day,
00:57:32.800
every day, right? You get in your car. Well, there's a likelihood that you're going to get
00:57:36.640
in a horrific crash and you're going to be killed or somebody else is going to be killed. And yet you
00:57:40.900
individually, and we collectively as a society have decided we've agreed, mutually agreed that
00:57:46.580
we're okay with that level of risk in order to get to work, in order to have experiences and do all
00:57:53.080
the things that we want to do. Same thing with flying in the plane or whatever, anything has a
00:57:58.560
level of risk and whether you realize it or acknowledge the risk or not, it doesn't mean
00:58:04.220
it isn't there. It's there. Same thing with this, this coronavirus stuff. It's, there's a risk,
00:58:11.840
but the risk is low for young, healthy individuals. Yeah. If you get it and you don't have pre,
00:58:18.780
pre-existing conditions, you have a 99% point something chance. Yeah. Better than that. Right.
00:58:24.460
Exactly. Exactly. Live. Right. Josh Yoder. You might not even get it. Right. So. Yeah. Josh Yoder,
00:58:33.000
using the tactics of allowing someone to fail, to learn how to become better the next time,
00:58:38.980
how far is too far for a young man? In your experience, have you found more success,
00:58:44.340
success with coaching through their failure or the after action discussion with them on what went
00:58:50.060
wrong and how to improve with a young man? It's taken too far when it's dangerous, like physically
00:58:57.640
dangerous or emotionally, mentally. There's a lot of other aspects of that, but yeah, when it's
00:59:02.260
dangerous, like at some point, okay, it's gone too far. They're, they are in real risk and peril
00:59:09.500
right now. So that's the point where you ought to step in and, or it is producing the unintended
00:59:17.100
consequence. So like you always hear about dads who were too hard on their sons and then what are
00:59:22.440
daughters or whoever, and then what do they do? They rebel and they do the exact opposite of what
00:59:27.760
the father is trying to teach them. That means that his strategy was taken too far. It was taken to the
00:59:32.400
extreme and it's producing an unintended consequence. Like it's not working. It's not working.
00:59:38.120
Yeah. So whether, whether that tactic maybe even worked on another kid, it's obviously not working
00:59:44.320
on that kid. So right. Right. Exactly. That's why you talked about it. The after action review is so
00:59:49.200
important. Did what I do because a lot of times, and look, I'm guilty of this is we might react or
00:59:56.280
lash out towards children in, in an emotional space, right? We're, we're, we're being emotional,
01:00:03.740
we're pissed off or bothered or whatever, or impatient. That's, that's not a conscious thought
01:00:09.500
of like, I need to say this thing. I need to have this conversation. I need to react this way
01:00:14.820
in order to produce a desired result. It means you're not being intentional. And I've done that.
01:00:19.860
And then I go back after and I'm like, Oh man, I lashed out in an emotional response. And what I wanted
01:00:25.800
to have happen was for my son to do X, Y, and Z. And because I lashed out emotionally, not only did
01:00:33.200
he not do X, Y, and Z, I undermined the next time that I want him to do X, Y, and Z. Cause now he's,
01:00:40.820
I just, I just chipped away a little bit at my trust, credibility, and authority by doing it like
01:00:45.760
that. So give yourself the space and the margin to think about it in a different way, to respond with
01:00:51.380
intentionality. And then ask yourself is, if this is producing the desired result, that's important.
01:00:56.540
And am I putting him in or her in a dangerous, uh, situation that could potentially harm him
01:01:04.380
physically, mentally, emotionally. Okay. There you go, Josh, Keith Davis. Now that you and your family
01:01:11.640
have made it through a main winter survived, how does it compare? Yeah. How does it compare to a winter
01:01:17.520
in Utah? Is there anything that you encountered that you weren't prepared for and that you would
01:01:22.300
plan for in following winters? Uh, it was colder. That's then more snow. That's it. I mean,
01:01:28.380
it look at, and, and here it's, it was a, according to all, all the people who live here,
01:01:33.280
it was a very mild, mild winter for us. So we didn't get a lot of snow. It wasn't like super cold.
01:01:40.360
I mean, maybe a couple of days it got into the negatives, but it just, it was, I actually thought
01:01:45.700
it was way less than what I expected. Yeah. You, you thought it was going to be a lot worse.
01:01:51.080
Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. So we got a plow and we got the generator. We only use the generator once
01:01:57.760
and it was actually after winter was over. Cause there was a big wind storm. Um, I got the plow
01:02:02.740
for the truck. That was something I'd never done before. I mean, we, we did it to me. Like I look at
01:02:10.220
I'm like, eh, we, we did this. We did it right. We got the heating system taken care of. We got the
01:02:14.080
generator taken care of. I work from home, so I didn't need to go out when it was storming.
01:02:19.840
My wife didn't need to go out. The kids are homeschooled. We got the plow on the truck.
01:02:25.120
We got a snowblower. We've got kids to shovel. Like we're good. Yeah. And you would probably
01:02:30.680
are felt prepared for next winter. Cause it was well. Yeah, I do. I don't, I don't, I don't think
01:02:35.640
there's anything. The one thing I would do and we are going to do is put in a wood burning stove.
01:02:40.600
Cause I think that'd be nice to have just another alternative to, to heat. So yeah.
01:02:46.320
Cool. Tyler Smith, what are some of your favorite body weight exercises for a quick workout?
01:02:52.880
Um, burpees, pushups, sit-ups, mountain climbers, pull-ups. If you have something to pull on,
01:03:00.720
those are my go-tos. Yeah. I've added, um, uh, swimmer pushups where you do a pushup
01:03:10.040
and then you're in the plank position, you extend one arm overhead, uh, the opposite leg
01:03:16.620
and you pause for a second. Oh yeah. Plank a pushup. And then the other side really like
01:03:21.780
gets your core engaged. Yeah. There's a nice way to add to that pushup. Yeah. Yeah. There's, um,
01:03:28.160
it's kind of sounds like a, what I've heard of is like a Spider-Man pushup. Have you seen those?
01:03:32.720
Yep. Yep. Is it like that? It's, I think it's considered the same. I think it's the same thing.
01:03:36.620
Yeah. So, so those are good. I like doing, in fact, when I do pushups, even if my wife and I
01:03:40.640
are watching a show at night, I'll do like sets of 20 and I'll do wide arm pushups, normal pushups,
01:03:49.160
Spider-Man pushups on one side, Spider-Man pushups on the other side. And then I'll just keep rotating
01:03:53.900
through there and I can crank out like 200 pushups while we're sitting there watching a show.
01:03:57.840
Yeah. Lift one leg. Yeah. Do all kinds of stuff. Yeah. Blindfolded pushups, blindfolded.
01:04:03.560
Yeah. That's, that's how, you know, you're, you've reached the echelon of pushups.
01:04:08.780
Dare you guys to try that. Yeah. Try that. Or, or, or you can teach your kids how to do an atomic sit
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up. It's kind of fun. What's an atomic sit up? You don't know what an atomic sit up is. I'm not
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telling you what an atomic sit up is. Next time you come out here, we're going to, we're going to see
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if you can do an atomic sit up. All right. But I'm going to do my research before it's like
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snipe hunting or something. Just make sure that your, your, your internet browser is on,
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on safe or moderate when you look into atomic sit up.
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Copy. Oh, that's funny. All right. Uh, one more. Yeah. One more. All right. Uh,
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Traer Morgan, what mental strategies do you employ when beginning and maintaining a new hobby?
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I'm 39 and decided to take up hunting, particularly Turkey this spring and then deer in the fall. My dad
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took me deer hunting a few times as a kid, but I never made time for it. As I got older,
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I would make time to go fishing in the summer, but not hunting. I see this time during the pandemic
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is a good opportunity to start making time for it. I feel like a total newbie. And although it is
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understandable mentally, I feel like I should be more of an expert, uh, at this stage of my life.
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What mental strategies do you use to get past their early discouragement when learning something new?
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Um, so you're putting a lot of expectations on yourself and that's creating a lot of problems
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for you. I mean, expectations are great. Like you should have an expectation of improving and being
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good, but they should be internal expectations, not external expectations, right? Cause sometimes
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the turkeys just don't come out and you can't make them come out. My son and I are actually
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experiencing that right now for the last couple of days. Like we can't find the turkeys.
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So I wrote down three things here as far as mindset. Number one, have a curious mindset.
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Like just be curious. Hey, I'm curious about how this works. How do turkeys work? Like,
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what do they call to? What do they respond to? Uh, what kind of decoys should I use? Who do I know
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in this area? I could ask good questions about hunting. Just be completely curious. That's mindset.
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Number one, mindset. Number two, have low expectations. Like you don't need to have any
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expectations of yourself. Like, Hey, I'm just going to enjoy this. I'm going to go out there.
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I'm going to do it. I'm going to try it. I'm going to, I'm going to try to be the best I can be.
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I'm going to learn everything I need to learn. And then I'm just going to let the chips fall where
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they may. And that's it. Like, just, just let it ride. Just have fun with it. And then the third
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one is have the mindset of mastery that your goal is to become a master. Like I think about this with
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jujitsu to me, when I, when I trained jujitsu, it's not enough to like throw a Kimura on somebody.
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It's like, did I have my thumb in the right position when I did that?
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Right. Or, you know, if somebody does something to me, my attitude isn't like, Oh shit. It's like,
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Oh. And then where was your arm and where was I? How did you, I don't even know how you set me up
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to get that. Like, how did you tee that up? That's the curiosity and it's the mastery.
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It's not enough to me. It's not enough to be just successful enough. Like I want to be masterful.
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Like when I'm playing the guitar and I'm, and I'm doing my chords and put my fingers like, yeah,
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I might hit a note, but I'm like, Oh, you know, I felt one of my finger pads on another string.
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And it kind of muted that string. Like, am I holding my thumb in the right position?
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Is my wrist the right way? This is, these are elements of mastery. And if you look at masters,
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that's what they're focused on. They're focused on doing the seemingly insignificant things,
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very, very well. So take that into hunting. And then again, when you have that idea of mastery,
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you're curious about it and you have low expectations, you're just there to participate,
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to be the best you can be. And, and if interesting and ironically enough, when you're focused like that,
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the, the progress and the results will start taking care of themselves.
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Yeah. And I, and I think ego is just sitting there to disrupt all three of those.
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Oh, for sure. Right. For sure. Because when I think about the jujitsu one, right? The,
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what is that? Like, Oh shit, I got caught. It's like, that's ego. That's like, Oh, I'm this way.
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Or I should be better at this says who, right. You, you went as a boy a few times and you haven't
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gone since like, yeah, you shouldn't be good. Right. Right. That's okay. Like, let go of it.
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Like, let go of trying to like, you know, like how's this, you, you said this low expectation,
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I would suggest low expectation, but make sure to deal in reality, like have expectation of yourself,
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but deal in reality. Don't let the expectation, like make the scenario wrong. Like, Oh, my expectation
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is I should be great. Yeah. But guess what? You're not. So deal in reality now. Right. And
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have the expectation to become a master. Right. That's right. But, but deal in the moment.
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Yeah. I think they all have to work together. Yeah. Like if you just have low expectations of
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yourself, like you could, it will just talk about the context of jujitsu. Yeah. You could just go in
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like a dumb ass and piss everybody off and like roll around and flop around and like, yeah. Like
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think it's a fun thing or something. And, and okay, we had low expectations of yourself, but you didn't
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have the mastery component of this, of this equation. And so you're, you're just acting like a fool.
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Yeah. Right. Or the curiosity is like, okay, well I'm going to try to do it correctly and I'm going
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to have a low expectation of myself. And then you start rolling with somebody like, like you, I'm
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like, dude, how is he so flexible? Like, how did he get into that, into that position? Because that
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curiosity will then expand your, your way of thinking and looking at things that you hadn't
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considered before. So it's not enough just to have low expectations. Cause you might just be a loser.
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That just makes you a loser. Yeah. You're not going to achieve anything. Right. And then,
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and then you might just be taking it to that level of humility to the extreme where it's not even
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serving you. So you got to have those other components, curious, curiosity, mastery, low
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expectations, realistic, maybe realistic expectations is a better way to say that. Yeah. Yeah. All right,
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