Order of Man - The Path To Redemption

00:00:00.000 Men, all of us have fallen behind or gotten off track somewhere in our lives. Of course,

00:00:04.520 some more than others, but only some will decide to get back on track and take control of their

00:00:10.260 lives to redeem themselves, if you will. And who doesn't respect the hell out of a man who has hit

00:00:15.900 rock bottom and then risen from those ashes. And that's why I wanted to invite Wes Watson on the

00:00:21.400 podcast today. He's arguably one of the most influential men that I've had the honor of

00:00:27.260 talking with because of his no-nonsense, straight-talking, no-BS approach to improving

00:00:33.180 your life. So today we talk about Wes's 10-year prison sentence, the power of gratitude in dire

00:00:39.300 circumstances, overcoming regret and shame, something that all of us probably deal with to

00:00:44.020 some degree, developing a new stream of consciousness that will serve you well, and how to build your own

00:00:49.820 redemption story. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly

00:00:55.620 chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You

00:01:01.460 are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who

00:01:08.100 you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done, you can

00:01:13.980 call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler, and I am the host and

00:01:19.840 the founder of this podcast and the Order of Man movement. I want to welcome you here as I do every week.

00:01:25.800 I'm looking at the download numbers today and guys, things continue to grow, which is exciting news.

00:01:31.380 I'm glad to see it. I'm anxious and optimistic that the information that we continue to put into

00:01:37.000 the world is serving not only you as a man more effectively, but your families, your businesses,

00:01:43.360 your neighbors, your neighborhood, your community members, your kids, whoever it is that you're

00:01:47.420 serving. I hope that this is proving to be a valuable resource. And by the messages that I receive

00:01:54.280 from you guys in the emails, it seems to be the case. And I couldn't be more honored to be spearheading

00:01:59.200 this mission to reclaim and restore masculinity. So we do that via this podcast by having conversations

00:02:06.400 with incredible men. These are guys who are highly successful, not without fault, of course, or

00:02:12.660 shortcomings, but have found a way to overcome those things and made themselves more, which is what

00:02:19.460 all of us are trying to do. So I've got Wes Watson lined up today. I'm going to introduce you to him

00:02:23.200 in just a minute, but we had Jocko Willink and David Goggins and Andy Frisilla and John Eldridge,

00:02:31.300 Dakota Meyer. The lineup of men that join us is phenomenal and a testament to the power of what

00:02:37.080 we're doing here. In fact, we just had Matt Frazier, four-time CrossFit Games champion on earlier in

00:02:43.200 the week. So again, the lineup is crazy. It's incredible. And I couldn't be more honored to have

00:02:47.480 these conversations. So guys, before I get into the introduction of Wes, I do want to mention,

00:02:53.620 and most of you know this by now, but we're doing something very cool, a cool collaboration,

00:02:58.440 if you will, with Warrior Poet Society Network. They have an exclusive network that isn't hosted

00:03:05.060 anywhere else. And my show is over there. It's different than what is on this podcast. It's

00:03:10.340 exclusive content. You won't get it anywhere else. So if you're interested, head over to

00:03:15.020 orderofman.com slash WPSN orderofman.com slash WPSN as in Warrior Poet Society Network. And you'll

00:03:24.580 be able to check it out and gain access to my show, as well as a John Lovell show, which is called

00:03:29.520 War Poet, Tony Sentmanat, which is real world tactical and several others as well. Again,

00:03:35.220 orderofman.com slash WPSN. All right, guys, let me introduce you to Wes. If you're not already

00:03:41.020 familiar with him, he's a strength and fitness coach, but really he's so much more than that.

00:03:46.720 Simply he's using health and fitness and strength as a medium for transforming your mind and your life.

00:03:54.400 Wes spent 10 years in prison and was quickly spiraling into a life of chaos and destruction

00:04:01.460 and crime. But while serving his prison sentence, he began to transform his life through the power of

00:04:06.620 his thoughts and daily actions. And then after being released from prison, Wes became and has

00:04:12.120 become one of the most powerful voices in self-development. He's built a massively, massively

00:04:18.020 successful business. And of course, he's inspired thousands of people to transform their own lives

00:04:22.500 through his mentorship and coaching. You're going to hear in this conversation why I wanted Wes to

00:04:27.540 join us as the fire that he brings. Can't help but motivate and inspire you to get your life on track.

00:04:34.080 Wes, what's up, brother? Glad to be joining you, man.

00:04:38.580 Awesome. Glad to be here.

00:04:40.380 Yeah, it's been, I don't know, it's been a, I don't know, a month, maybe a couple of months,

00:04:43.440 but I've been following you for a while now, man. I've been so motivated and inspired by

00:04:46.920 what you're doing and what you're all about. And I'm stoked to have you on the podcast.

00:04:50.720 I appreciate it. We're about some of the same stuff. So, I mean, it's, it's, it's about what a man

00:04:55.400 should be. So, I mean, I follow a lot of the same beliefs as you. So I'm glad to be here.

00:05:00.460 Yeah. It's a, I know we were going to do it. We were going to try to do it live face-to-face

00:05:04.500 because it's always better, right? It's always better when you can do it face-to-face, but

00:05:08.160 we had the fallout from the coronavirus. I'm like, screw that. Let's just make this happen.

00:05:13.040 And I imagine at some point we'll be able to connect face-to-face. You're in San Diego, right?

00:05:17.240 Yeah. That's behind me right now. Downtown San Diego, born and raised. I mean,

00:05:21.100 grew up in Oceanside, North County, San Diego, and then just been around SoCal my whole life.

00:05:25.800 Always lived in San Diego since day one. That's it.

00:05:29.740 Yeah. Yeah. I grew up, I lived in Anaheim, spent a lot of time down in Huntington

00:05:34.460 until I was about 14 years old. And then I moved to a small Southern Utah town,

00:05:38.960 which was a huge culture shock and change for me, man.

00:05:42.660 Yeah. I see how you're up in Maine.

00:05:45.120 Maine now, other side of the country.

00:05:47.160 Yeah. That's crazy. But I knew you had to have some sort of SoCal flavor or something. I just,

00:05:52.160 I knew you had some vibe that told me that you're probably from down this area or something. So

00:05:56.580 that's cool. Orange County, that's, that's our next door neighbor right there.

00:06:00.040 Yeah, that's right. That's right. Well, look, man, I wanted to have you on the podcast because

00:06:03.700 I'm always a fan of like a, a redemption story, if you will. I don't know if that's how you would,

00:06:08.340 how you would necessarily consider it or how you would define what you've been able to accomplish

00:06:13.560 over the past several years and your background to where you've come from. But I love seeing a guy who

00:06:18.580 was going down a path that he realized he didn't want to be on and then being able to redefine

00:06:24.240 himself and create something more of himself. Is that how you would define it? Or how do you look

00:06:28.380 at your path as like a whole, the path that you've traveled?

00:06:32.400 I mean, basically like everybody's going through this shit. Everybody's getting in their own way

00:06:36.540 in some form or fashion. I don't care if it's the banker who's excelling financially,

00:06:40.840 he's probably getting in his way health wise. I mean, but we're all getting in our own way.

00:06:44.740 And most people nowadays, it's vices, it's additions, it's, it's pleasure seeking. It's,

00:06:49.600 it's getting in our own way from what we truly desire, which is, it's basically cognitive dissonance.

00:06:55.360 I mean, you want, you have one system of beliefs, but then you also have conflicting beliefs that you

00:07:01.020 operate under. So the point is, is once I fully just adopted my own core belief system and I just

00:07:07.460 said, fuck it, I'm sticking to this no matter what. These are non-negotiable for me. I mean,

00:07:12.540 you got to look at where I came from. I was in the penitentiary for 10 years and I've been

00:07:16.180 convicted of four strikes. I mean, they can only give me two in that case, but I've been convicted

00:07:21.560 of four. So I don't have another chance. If I came out and was a dipshit again, if I came out and got

00:07:27.260 in my own way again, going straight to the vices and pleasure seeking the drugs, the alcohol,

00:07:31.460 the violence, I get life, I get a life sentence. I cannot mess up again. So everything just became

00:07:37.780 very serious to me, very clear, which I believe everything should be serious. Everything in life

00:07:42.900 is serious. Nothing's so tragic. People are turning this coronavirus into a tragedy in their own minds.

00:07:48.920 Yeah, it's serious. It's not a fucking tragedy though. So the point is, is I just really got in

00:07:53.780 that accountability mirror. I sat in that mirror and I looked at myself and I said, this shit's got

00:07:59.060 to change. I'm sick of it. I just got sick of it. Yeah. I think you, at some point, if you do want

00:08:03.740 to change, you got to be so tired of the bullshit that you actually have to progress because if,

00:08:07.960 if it's not as painful, like if, if changing is more painful than what you're currently experiencing,

00:08:13.180 you just won't change. Like you have to be in that pain and that discomfort. And I just think

00:08:17.480 people spend an inordinate amount of time running away from the pain and discomfort, uh, and, and

00:08:24.760 obviously never improve, never excel, never make themselves into something more and something

00:08:28.760 different. I mean, comfort's the enemy of progress. So the point being, I literally just

00:08:35.760 lived in such a painful fashion for so long. It became my pleasure in, in the penitentiary

00:08:40.920 when every, you, you think it's bad enough that you're in the penitentiary, but it can

00:08:44.880 get worse. So I'm in, I'm in prison. I'm missing the streets, this, that, the other, missing

00:08:49.600 my family, my girl, my life, everything. I'm missing everything. I just got 10 years in

00:08:54.040 prison, hardcore state prison, California CDC. And if that's not bad enough, I mean a year,

00:09:01.080 two years in, you start to get in some trouble in there. Then you see what it's really like

00:09:05.480 to be in isolation. Now you're just in a cell by yourself. I mean, stretches of up to 14 months

00:09:12.900 at a time when you get in trouble in the penitentiary where you're not stepping out of a bathroom

00:09:18.040 for over a year. So at this point, what do you become? I mean, there's a, there's a way

00:09:24.360 to still get drugs in your cell when you're there by yourself and people figure it out.

00:09:28.760 They fish, they make fishing lines and they go cell to cell with their getting their dope

00:09:33.040 and their rigs and everything. And so they could shoot up and do their shit. And this is where,

00:09:37.420 this is where the change takes place at times in during times of pain. Do you run to personal

00:09:43.020 growth or do you run to vices to hide from that pain? And that's what's going on out here. Most

00:09:48.340 people, when shit gets painful, they just run to some pills. They run to some food. They run,

00:09:53.300 they run to any sort of distraction. And once those distractions were taken away from me,

00:09:57.920 I was really able to heal myself from within. Yeah. Is that what needed to happen? Cause I look at

00:10:02.940 like even now with my business and my life and the way that I'm running my, my family and leading,

00:10:08.540 leading us and leading the business in the midst of this Corona virus thing, I feel more focused than

00:10:14.080 I've ever felt. And obviously I'm producing the results because of it. And I'm realizing that we

00:10:19.160 just spend way too much time distracted and in chaos and, and stimulus that really shouldn't be

00:10:25.220 there. Is that what it was for you is like, finally just strip everything away from me so I can

00:10:31.060 focus on what really matters, which in this case was, was you. Yeah. As soon as, as soon as like

00:10:36.140 all our external distractions lessen and they disappear, then the spiritual world starts to

00:10:40.680 awaken. And I mean, I don't care what your religious denomination is. The spiritual sense

00:10:45.760 is, is just that feeling within your conscience, your sense of being who you are. And just when you

00:10:51.400 start to really attach to that, you start to get that emotional motivation that, that you are meant

00:10:56.260 for more, that you, you have a purpose on this planet. And the point is, is I just really drove

00:11:02.740 myself to the sense of purpose that I need to be a man. I need to be a fucking man and quit being a

00:11:08.140 bitch, quit crying over choices that I'm making. And in my heart, it rang true that I wanted to be

00:11:14.320 a father. I wanted to be a husband. I wanted to make my mom and my family proud. And that's just

00:11:19.220 what I set out to do. I didn't really care about this actual outcome. So this was the byproduct of

00:11:25.020 creating that man that my family would be proud of, that I would be proud of. So I like to say what I

00:11:30.340 believe life's purpose for us all is, is to create the man you admire in every way so that you can

00:11:36.700 give him away. So that's the point, whatever you admire, whatever you unbiased, the admirer you must

00:11:42.600 become, you must acquire what you admire. And that's the only way you're going to be proud of self

00:11:48.460 because at a certain point you start to make those negotiations in your head that if you want this,

00:11:55.020 or if you want that, fuck all that. If you look at something and you want that for yourself,

00:12:00.960 you have to no longer choose to be a spectator and go do whatever it takes to attain that.

00:12:06.140 And the point was, is it, are we able to gather this all up with superficial motivation?

00:12:11.700 No, not so much. It's best to use emotional motivation. Like my son needs to look at me as a

00:12:18.360 man. My wife needs to be attracted to me. Like, I don't want to live a lie. I mean, we,

00:12:23.740 we need to just really get truthful with ourselves and say, is this what I want for the people in my

00:12:30.120 life? And, and know that we need to personify the teachings for them to wish to learn. So

00:12:35.460 the drunk dad who's fat and out of shape, and he's telling his son to be his best,

00:12:40.080 he's passing off energy that isn't congruent with what he's saying. So his son, it goes in one ear out

00:12:45.660 the other. His son's like, dad, you drink, you, you fucking, you're, you're not what a man should be.

00:12:51.800 And, and I mean, regardless of if he knows, he feels it, if he knows, he wants to say that

00:12:56.460 he feels that. So people don't realize their energy has to be congruent with the message

00:13:00.640 they're passing on. Yeah, that's a good point. I noticed that a lot of men,

00:13:04.700 they say they know what they want. I think to a degree, they have this version of themselves who

00:13:09.780 they want to become in their head. And, and yet, even though they have that, they still can't do the

00:13:15.380 thing. They still can't overcome the temptation or the vice. Like you talk about, they still can't put

00:13:19.980 forth the work. And there seems to be a disconnect between what most men know they should be doing

00:13:24.640 and what they're actually doing. I mean, do you find that to be pretty common?

00:13:29.160 Yeah, that's, I mean, referred to as cognitive dissonance, like two conflicted belief systems.

00:13:33.820 But I mean, that's just, we're, we've created our subconscious, our subconscious controls us. So

00:13:39.080 by nature, habitually, we construct our subconscious to, to act for us. And over time of so many years of

00:13:46.300 placating pleasure, society set us up, the system set us up how we live. And the point is, is we've

00:13:51.980 been seeking instant gratification so long and being, being taught that this is when you win is

00:13:57.040 when you get your pleasure that you're after, that we've just known to seek that. So any discomfort

00:14:02.660 causes us to bitch up and just turn our backs. And the point is, is in the penitentiary, you only can

00:14:09.040 be validated from your conduct, your character, your discipline, your program, your wake up time,

00:14:13.400 your workout, who you are, the results you get physically, and, and the way you just, your character

00:14:19.160 in general, your, your word, your integrity. So as soon as all those external forms of validation

00:14:25.740 are removed, then you're able to validate yourself from within and your conduct, your character, your

00:14:31.620 true assets that you've created as a man on this planet. So everyone out here is kind of just, they're,

00:14:37.220 they're looking for those external validators to say who they are instead of their true actions.

00:14:41.040 And if they went after their true actions as their form of validation, well, then they would get all

00:14:45.260 those external forms of validation as a by-product anyways. So the point is, is they're just going

00:14:50.220 backwards. They're not getting it. They're trying to, they're, they're working backwards.

00:14:54.640 Yeah. You got it. And I've heard you talk about this before. I listened to your couple of interviews

00:14:58.060 with Brian and I've, and I've obviously am following you on Instagram and YouTube and things like

00:15:02.600 that. And I've heard you talk about it from the perspective of you've got to be that individual

00:15:07.780 first, right? You've got to do that first. And those results will take care of themselves.

00:15:11.460 I think what a lot of people believe is that if I have the house, if I have the car, if I have the

00:15:16.200 woman, if I have the money, if I have the whatever, that then I'll be happy. Then I'll be, then I'll have

00:15:21.200 gratitude. Then I'll be gracious. Then, then my life will be better. It's like, no, you got to be that

00:15:25.320 first. And then the natural inevitable outcome is the results that just are produced because of who you

00:15:31.940 are and how you show up. It always comes as a byproduct. It's that the have, do be, and the

00:15:36.940 be, do have. So the people who say that once they, okay, once they have the money, then they'll go do

00:15:42.200 the workout program and then they'll be happy and be swole. But the fact is, is you can't operate that

00:15:47.600 way. You have to be content, be happy, be grateful, and then go do what you have to do. And then you'll,

00:15:54.460 you'll have the outcome, which is you'll be happy. You know, you'll be, you'll, you'll have that

00:15:58.300 inner peace. I don't even believe in happiness. I believe in contentment. I believe in inner peace.

00:16:02.300 I don't, I don't believe in, I'm not even after happiness. Goodness to me is uneventful. It does

00:16:08.360 not flash. It glows. I don't want a big spike. A big spike has an equal low, even if it's something

00:16:14.220 grand that wasn't actually riddled with fucking, it wasn't a vice or, or anything negative. It still

00:16:20.780 has an equal low. So I just like that. I just like that steady incline. I mean, I'm not after

00:16:25.800 massive spikes. I'm not after home runs. I like the base hit life. It's just, goodness is

00:16:31.420 uneventful. It does not flash. It glows. And this is just what something I've been after the whole

00:16:35.900 time because I was always chasing those highs and then suffering from that low, which most addicts

00:16:41.740 do. I was an addict and these addicts don't realize those emotional highs and lows are their

00:16:46.220 power if they learn to harness them in an even fashion. Yeah. I like that. You're talking about

00:16:51.700 happiness. I actually saw something that you had posted. I think it was yesterday or the day before

00:16:55.320 about happy wife, happy life. And you said how true that statement was. And that was the first

00:17:00.260 thing I saw. And I'm like, no, I actually don't agree with that because, because of the word

00:17:05.020 happiness. Right. And it's, and, and I'm glad you clarified and you did in the post as well,

00:17:09.180 but I think there's too many people that are searching for happiness, which I tend to equate

00:17:14.860 with like bliss, right? Like everything's wonderful. Nothing ever is wrong. There's no contention.

00:17:20.480 There's no, there's no pain, but man, you've got to have that stuff that it's, it's being

00:17:26.160 able to overcome it that produces the result that you're after.

00:17:29.480 That's exactly it. Everything only exists by contrast. If you, if you want everything to

00:17:34.120 be positive and you want to wish away all negativity, well then positivity doesn't exist.

00:17:38.820 If you wish away all sadness and all, all fucking pain, then half, then the pleasure doesn't exist.

00:17:44.400 So the point is, is I never, I told my wife, I don't believe in happiness. I just, I like

00:17:50.060 contentment is what I'm after when there's just no actual issue and I'm working towards becoming

00:17:55.360 who I'm happily dissatisfied at all times. So I look at that as contentment.

00:18:00.460 Yeah. It makes sense. One of the things that you said is you said, um, you said so that they

00:18:05.440 can, so that men can give themselves away. This is what you said a minute ago. I'm really curious

00:18:10.320 about that. Like, cause you're talking about becoming this ideal version of who you are

00:18:13.960 so that you can give yourself away. Can you explain what you mean by that?

00:18:17.880 I'm just at a certain point, you're always going to be accustomed to you. Like you're

00:18:22.600 going to wake up you. You're not that thrilled about where you're at. So the point is, is when

00:18:26.360 you teach other people and you, when you take a broken, a broken soul, a broken individual

00:18:30.300 under your wing and you give them their power back, that's truly what's going to be the

00:18:34.880 measure of a man. When someone leaves your presence, do they leave better or worse? That

00:18:39.460 can tell you everything about yourself. And so I used to take these addicts in prison.

00:18:43.700 I used to take these broken individuals in prison, these guys with lack of confidence

00:18:47.380 and I would give them, I would instill what I had in them. The only way we're ever going

00:18:52.260 to keep what we have for ourselves is to give it away. And the fact is, is that that's why

00:18:56.400 the richest people start giving their wealth away. That's why, that's why in, in drug groups

00:19:01.720 and everything, they tell you to get someone else sober. I mean, this is the realest thing

00:19:05.660 we have to just, we're meant to pass on. We're an interdependent society. We're not

00:19:10.820 meant to be recluses in any bitch of a man that is like in his later stages of life.

00:19:16.120 It's like, I'm just doing this for me. Like he really hasn't figured it out. I'm always

00:19:20.980 like, okay, so you're 37 and you're still just doing it for you. You haven't moved on

00:19:26.740 to anybody else yet. How the fuck, you know? And the point is, is exponentially, the more

00:19:32.660 people we can bring worth to their lives nowadays, especially with the internet can turn into

00:19:36.780 a thriving business. Like I've built with Watson Fit. I've changed so many people's lives. It's

00:19:41.540 crazy. Like they're just, I watched them absorb my 13 years of wisdom and experience in less

00:19:48.120 than six months. They just don't doubt it. And they just absorb it so quick. And that's

00:19:52.360 the point of a coach. That's the point of a mentor. That's the point of podcasts and YouTube

00:19:57.240 interviews like this. That is the point. So we can excel each other very quickly. So a lot

00:20:01.740 of people who don't know they're agreeing with my quote to give it away, they're actually

00:20:05.380 doing that, which is a great thing. It's how we service everybody.

00:20:08.980 Yeah. I think to not give yourself away is a level of immaturity, especially in men.

00:20:13.700 Like I've got, I know you have a son, right?

00:20:16.200 Yeah.

00:20:16.860 How old is your son?

00:20:18.460 He's like 22 months or something. He's coming. November 30th is his two year birthday.

00:20:24.880 Awesome, man.

00:20:25.320 You got me on the dates. I'm so bad.

00:20:26.760 I know. I don't, I don't expect that.

00:20:29.260 Calendars pass like a motherfucker, but November 30th is his second birthday. I was, I was in

00:20:33.880 the pen. Just, I would only count the calendar passing by like, oh shit, I got nine more.

00:20:38.780 Is that right? Yeah. Well, yeah.

00:20:40.620 And the penitentiary date, they refer to Christmas as a Sunday or Thanksgiving as a Thursday.

00:20:47.520 Is that right? Yeah, exactly.

00:20:48.400 I kind of felt that way when I was in, when I was in Iraq, I spent a year in Iraq and it was

00:20:55.320 actually like very similar. The only reason we knew it was Christmas is because the, the contractors

00:21:00.400 that served our food in the chow hall carved a baby Jesus out of butter. No joke. That's like

00:21:06.300 the only reason we knew it was Christmas. It's crazy.

00:21:08.900 Like a little extra piece of pie or something in the pen. Like you, you get like a pumpkin pie or

00:21:13.820 something sweet or something, you know?

00:21:15.480 That's funny. I wait till you start. I mean, I've got four kids, you know, wait till you

00:21:19.240 start having to like memorize dates of birth and everything else for four kids. It gets

00:21:22.520 crazy.

00:21:22.900 I just, I'm, I don't even know what month it is. Sometimes I'm just in that relentless

00:21:26.820 grind. I believe that we're the path. So I'm not really, I'm so detached from everything

00:21:32.160 external that I'm just always working on myself so much that I've come to realize that personal

00:21:37.800 development is what draws in the success. So you're seeing your level of success. Like

00:21:41.920 I've said on a lot of different things, it will never exceed your level of personal

00:21:45.260 development. People have this fucked up. They think all of a sudden they're going to get

00:21:49.260 this opportunity and then they're going to rise to the occasion. No, we don't, we don't

00:21:53.780 rise to our goals. We fall to the strength of our system. We fall to the strength of our

00:21:58.460 process. So what I do is teach people to create a daily process, a daily program, a daily system

00:22:03.740 that is leveling them up in so many areas that when they show up, it's obvious they're the

00:22:07.800 man for the job mentally, physically, spiritually, just in general, characterized as a man ready

00:22:13.840 to go. Not even having to sit there and unmake people's just massive malfunctions of poor mindset

00:22:22.360 qualities they're possessing. All the time I talk to people and I'll be like, what, this

00:22:27.060 is how you speak to yourself? No wonder everything's impossible. You're making it. But this is what

00:22:31.760 we're after is, like I said, you never rise to your goals. You fall to the strength of

00:22:37.280 your system. And that's why I keep my daily program paramount in my life. I never deviate

00:22:41.900 from it. Haven't deviated from my wake up time for 13 years. Never missed one day working

00:22:46.720 out. And I'm strict with my nutrition regimen, which is the proper macronutrients for what

00:22:53.000 I'm doing at that time. And I believe this is the way to create what we're after, which

00:22:57.960 is massive baseline discipline, your macros, your diet is raising your baseline discipline

00:23:02.900 exponentially, which is the only way you're going to ever deter yourself from your natural

00:23:07.280 weaknesses. So even if your weakness wasn't diet, you're raising your discipline with

00:23:12.320 these five choices a day to choose purpose over pleasure, which brings up your discipline

00:23:16.840 so much that when your weakness shows itself, you don't fall victim to it. You've been disciplined

00:23:21.100 all day. And your wake up time, which I call gratitude, I just call a man who wakes up

00:23:26.940 early grateful. A man who doesn't wake up early, I know in his head, he said, I don't

00:23:31.700 want to get up today and fuck them. They must not know someone who can't get up today. Someone

00:23:36.840 with no legs, someone doing life in prison. They must not keep that ready in their heart

00:23:40.660 to be strong enough to emotionally motivate them to get the fuck up because that day when

00:23:44.140 they can't get up no more, they're going to be pissed they ever thought that. And above

00:23:48.240 all the rate of vibration increase, people are like, I don't like exercise. I don't like

00:23:53.580 weight training or body weight training, pushups or jogging, whatever you like for exercise.

00:23:58.020 I refer to that as ROV increase, your rate of vibration, your energy level, your energy exchange.

00:24:03.620 Energy exchange is the language of the universe. It's the universal language. And when you just

00:24:08.380 come in with that energy, you can command people better. You can get them, you can inspire them.

00:24:13.620 It's not about manipulation. When I say command, it's about inspiration, getting people to be

00:24:18.320 their best selves so that you can create these assets around you opposed to these liabilities

00:24:22.660 that we create when we have shitty energy, shitty responses, and we're just being a shitty

00:24:26.680 motherfucker in general.

00:24:28.680 Man, that's all. So here's an interesting thing. I'll explain it from my perspective.

00:24:35.480 I used to be a guy who would have been intimidated by you, not only your physical appearance, but

00:24:40.500 the way that you're speaking, your level of energy. Do you find that there are people who are

00:24:45.340 intimidated by you? And if that's the case, where does that come from? Why do they feel that way?

00:24:51.900 When you see someone doing better than you or excelling in any area that you're not, you're

00:24:56.900 either inspired or your insecurities come to the forefront. So you got to realize that if

00:25:01.540 you're insecure about something, someone's speech, someone's financial status, someone's body,

00:25:06.180 then that's a direct pinpoint of where you must work on. I mean, the only thing that's going to

00:25:11.460 negate that is if you put the work in. You don't have to become physically superior to them. You just

00:25:16.660 have to have put your heart into becoming your physically superior self so that you're on the

00:25:21.960 level playing field and you're no longer looking. You're no longer feeling like you're looking up

00:25:25.740 at them. You're just on the playing field. You gave your whole heart into what you're after.

00:25:30.400 And then it just, it follows suit. The point is, is people aren't really confused. Only stuff that

00:25:37.240 exists within us, in others disturbs us. Like we're not disturbed by anything in others that doesn't

00:25:42.700 already exist in us. So most people who are like, oh, Wes is a loud mouth. They're a fucking loud

00:25:47.020 mouth. And they're reacting to something in me. Like whether they do that outside or they think

00:25:52.460 that way in their mind, they could be real assertive, but still be a bitch to pull it to

00:25:56.520 the forefront. But we, I've never had a bad reaction to those passive dudes who are just chilling.

00:26:01.920 They're way calm. Like I only get negative reactions to people like me. And the point is,

00:26:06.520 is we have to know that we have to know that we're reacting to something in someone that exists in us.

00:26:11.480 Yeah. That's, that's, that's valuable input because like I said, I used to be that guy and

00:26:16.540 I've, I've wondered, you know, like, what is it that makes me more confident? What is it that makes

00:26:20.720 me be able to have an intelligent conversation with somebody like you and other people that I've

00:26:25.300 had on the podcast? And it, and it has less to do with my skillset and more to do with the actions

00:26:31.560 that I take on a daily basis that prove to myself that I can be in the game with you. Like we aren't

00:26:37.640 different. If confidence is earned daily, nobody is inherently confident. You have to wake up and

00:26:43.800 create your confidence daily. And I've just learned that over time to where it felt so

00:26:48.960 sickening to me to not feel a hundred percent of myself when it was just such an easy choice.

00:26:54.800 Get the fuck up, put 30 to an hour and a half into a crazy workout, depending on how I'm feeling,

00:27:00.320 30 minutes to an hour and a half, and then track those foods that aren't causing regret.

00:27:04.540 Regret. Regret's your guideline. If you consistently eat these foods and eat in this manner that causes

00:27:09.260 you to regret, something needs to fucking change. That's the hookup. Regret is your guideline.

00:27:14.140 Something needs to change. Your conscience is telling you something bad is coming from this

00:27:18.560 decision, whether it's poor health or massively poor mental health from doing yourself in physically.

00:27:25.320 People don't realize how bad that is to do to their people. Like you cannot put that energy on

00:27:31.680 your kids, like coming to the beach. How much time is wasted from a father or overweight mother when

00:27:37.920 they just can't even be in the moment? They say they're in the moment, but they're not really in

00:27:43.020 the moment because they're selfish. Their self-talk is selfish when they're at the beach. They're not

00:27:48.200 secure. They don't feel good. They want to go home because they're not comfortable. And the fact is you can

00:27:54.420 negate all that. It may take a couple of years for the people who are massively overweight, but it may

00:28:00.240 just take a few months for them to gain that confidence back and not give a fuck how they feel

00:28:04.920 because they worked for it that day. I mean, the point is, is everyone's missing the point.

00:28:10.340 Everything's fucking earned internally and externally. Everything is earned.

00:28:15.580 Yeah. I mean, this is such a mindset shift. I actually heard you say this the other day.

00:28:19.280 I can't remember where I heard it, but you said something to the effect of those people who,

00:28:23.020 you know, won't work out, won't go do their thing. Won't that cognitive dissonance you were

00:28:27.480 talking about. It's just selfish. Like if you're a father, you have to take care of yourself so that

00:28:34.080 you can show up fully for your kids or your wife or your employees or your colleagues or whoever it is

00:28:38.760 and not doing the work. And this is what really triggered for me is not doing the work

00:28:44.020 is it's selfish in the most fundamental level. It's just selfish. It's a selfish way to approach your

00:28:50.060 life. Yeah. They're basically just turn their self-talk on a loudspeaker when they're choosing

00:28:55.440 not to be their best version of self. What are they saying? I don't want it. I didn't want it.

00:28:59.440 You're like a 13 year old fucking kid who's just like literally just massively fucking consumed

00:29:04.860 with self. That's not what I want to do. Well, the point is, it ain't about what you fucking want to

00:29:08.680 do. Do you want your son to look at you like a fat fuck who's just let ran himself in? And the whole

00:29:14.680 point is you don't. So the second you be honest and you're not acting like this is fat shaming or

00:29:20.140 anything like that. Like the point is, is you know how you feel. Shame glorification is worse.

00:29:26.040 Shame glorification, the person who runs himself in with drugs or alcohol or foods, and then they

00:29:32.060 glorify it to the people around them. What's worse to be like, Oh, let's go get this pizza. Oh,

00:29:37.060 it's so good. And then get your son on that path that caused you so much pain that you know,

00:29:42.460 so that he grows tits and he gets so out of shape that it runs his life in the gutter.

00:29:46.860 You know the pain that shit caused you. How could you ever pass it on? And that's why I clown all

00:29:51.960 the fake ass gangsters and the fake hard motherfuckers who came out the pen and still

00:29:56.440 push that pain on people. I cried so many tears in the pen from how much pain I caused my mom,

00:30:02.580 myself. I mean, I, I kind of a one offense in the pen and a one offense when you're in the pen

00:30:08.340 is attempted murder, murder, or serious bodily injury with the weapon where someone is massively

00:30:14.060 injured. This means you get a 14 month shoe term and can lead up to a life sentence. I mean,

00:30:19.960 you can get a life sentence from this. I almost got one. They didn't pick the case up because there

00:30:23.900 was a riot. But the point is, is I got so sick of who I was being so fake that I would come out.

00:30:30.900 I could never come out and even hear a conversation and agree with it. That was leading to the pain for

00:30:37.080 someone else that I knew so well. Hmm. What was the biggest, when you were in there and you,

00:30:43.840 and you finally just started to get on the path of like changing and improving and growing and

00:30:47.740 evolving and getting your mind right. I imagine there was times that you would, you wanted to

00:30:53.520 revert or you were tempted to revert or you had other people around you pushing you to a different

00:30:58.500 path. Like what was the hardest point where you had to overcome the decision to improve who you were

00:31:05.160 as a man? I mean, I just always was about easy money. I was always like, I had, I had institutional

00:31:11.080 sophistication above the rest. Like these guys, they didn't see what I saw. So I found ways for

00:31:17.440 us to profit in there really quickly. It was really easy for me to see the loopholes and find the routes

00:31:22.620 for us to financially gain. And when your back's against the wall, that's when it, that's when it

00:31:28.300 shows who you are. And I, one time, the last time I relapsed is when I, I went for that easy money.

00:31:34.020 And in there it's heroin and speed and the dealing of fucking dope. And I mean, we found an easy way

00:31:39.300 to pull it off. And, uh, because I just had that eye for that type of shit, the way everyone else

00:31:44.400 was doing, it was so fucking old fashioned that it wasn't working no more. And I made it happen real

00:31:49.460 quick. And then everybody profited really well. It turned into me taking a dabble of some white

00:31:54.840 and, um, and then drinking some prison wine again. And I went off the fucking rocker. I got drunk on

00:32:01.540 power again. I was making up sometimes up to a thousand bucks a day in prison, 2000 and just

00:32:07.580 sitting there fucking like, yeah, thinking I was the shit. I mean, you're selling a 50 paper of

00:32:12.620 heroin and, um, and, um, and speed. Like literally you get a gram off the street. I mean, you get them

00:32:19.260 for like 50 bucks or something like less than that. And then a 50 paper is like, you can get like 1150

00:32:25.560 papers out of a gram. And then these are going to go for 50 bucks and they're going to sell. Like

00:32:30.080 you're never not going to sell them in prison. So you're making five times what you would off a

00:32:35.120 gram. And if you're getting fucking a couple ounces, you're making a shitload of money.

00:32:38.860 But the point is, is I just got drunk on the power. I started using again and I going right

00:32:45.120 into violence. So then I just, I was, I wasn't, I'm not dumb. So I saw what I was doing. I was looking

00:32:50.560 for happiness in the same place. I would consistently lose it. And on the street,

00:32:54.000 before I went to prison, it was the same thing. I was looking for easy money. It turned into

00:32:58.220 violence. Same thing. I did it again in prison. And then I was sick of it. Cause I'm like, dude,

00:33:02.900 if you ever do this again, you may never get another chance at life. Like these guys are doing life in

00:33:08.580 there. They're miserable. They're miserable. Imagine if you were never getting out of prison ever.

00:33:14.360 Like that is the craziest fucking just my, and these dudes are just miserable.

00:33:20.560 Straight up. Some of them find it some, and it's still, whether it's truly authentic or not,

00:33:26.240 I don't believe so much because I'm one of the few who stuck to it when he got out.

00:33:30.460 A lot of people find a lot of things in there. A lot of them go back really quick though.

00:33:34.500 So the point is, is, I mean, it just became real clear to me. I had to stop or my life was over.

00:33:38.760 And I just cherished my life too much. I wasn't, I wasn't going to keep going down that route,

00:33:42.680 but I did fuck up again was the point with the answer to your question. I did fuck up again.

00:33:47.940 And I mean, that's the message to everybody. Just cause you, just cause you got on the path

00:33:52.120 and you got off a little bit. I mean, it doesn't mean you got to just get back on. The point is,

00:33:56.400 is once you start the path, the only true two failures in life is to never start the path.

00:34:00.820 And the other is to stop. Once you started, you can fuck up. People are going to fuck up. I've

00:34:05.740 fucked up and I love to share my fuck ups. I like to share my fuck ups more than I like to share

00:34:10.260 all the success I've had because it's, it's what's real to me. It's what keeps me getting more success.

00:34:15.280 Yeah. That's powerful, man. What, so what kind of information did you start consuming in there?

00:34:20.960 You know, like you're, you're trying to get on this path and trying to improve how you are.

00:34:24.060 You're obviously intelligent. You're, you obviously have access. I don't know if it started then or

00:34:29.040 where to some incredible information that I think probably opened your mind and expanded your

00:34:33.740 capacity to learn and grow. Like what was it that you were consuming at that point?

00:34:37.500 I read like three books in my entire existence. And it was, um, it was literally, um, Stephen Covey,

00:34:44.620 seven habits of highly effective people. I read Napoleon Hill, outwitting the devil. And I read

00:34:49.420 177 habits of highly affected or no 177 mental toughness secrets of the world class from a Steve

00:34:56.220 Siebold. And I just, I don't read books. I live them. I rewrite them. And then I read massive quote

00:35:02.800 books, just all quote books, all the wisdom of the ages. And I would rewrite them. So that's one

00:35:08.380 of the funded. That's one of the fundamental errors everyone's doing. They just read books. I live

00:35:13.000 them. I rewrite them. I don't even, a page takes me like, I'll read the same book for three fucking

00:35:19.620 years and I'll rewrite it seven times. And that's how I absorb the knowledge.

00:35:24.520 What do you mean rewrite? What does that look like?

00:35:26.740 I just rewrite pages in my own words. So every morning I'll read, I'll read like right now I'm reading a

00:35:32.800 I read stoic books. So Marcus Aurelius meditations, and then, um, uh, a couple other

00:35:39.240 stock books. But the thing is, is, um, I just rewrite them. So I'll read a page passage and I'll

00:35:45.040 rewrite it. I'll see how it affects me. And, um, I'll just put my, my twist on it. How I, how I like

00:35:50.680 it. And it just, um, it's just, I just, it just teaches me to live them more. I absorb them more.

00:35:55.840 Man, I'm just going to put a, put a pause, put a time out on the conversation very quickly.

00:36:01.440 Uh, we're rapidly approaching father's day. And as we do, uh, it was important to me that

00:36:06.160 the men inside of the iron council have the discussions about redeeming the relationship

00:36:11.060 with their fathers. And regardless of your relationship with your father, uh, it's likely

00:36:16.060 that some conversations have been left unsaid and there's some sort of strain between you and him

00:36:23.580 to some degree. And regardless of your ability or even desire to reconcile with your father,

00:36:29.380 there are steps that you can take to come to terms with the relationship that you have with him.

00:36:35.220 So ultimately, and this is the most important thing that you can drive on in your own life

00:36:39.880 with clarity and focus and direction and purpose as a man. Now, these aren't comfortable conversations

00:36:46.400 we're having in the iron council, uh, but we're having challenges. We're having conversations.

00:36:50.160 We're having these discussions, uh, but they are completely necessary. If you want to break those

00:36:55.680 changes that may have been holding you back from becoming the man that you're wanting to become,

00:37:00.200 not the boy in his father's shadow, which is something that I see quite often. So if you're

00:37:06.760 interested and you're ready to have these conversations, challenges, accountability,

00:37:10.960 brotherhood, and so much more than join us at order of man.com slash iron council. Again,

00:37:16.840 that's order of man.com slash iron council, having some great conversations this month.

00:37:21.060 And of course, every month you can do that after the show again, order of man.com slash iron council.

00:37:25.860 But for now, I'll get back to it with Wes. Yeah, that's an interest. I never heard that

00:37:30.300 perspective. I mean, I heard the perspective of even for myself, I used to pride myself on the number

00:37:34.380 of books I read. And then I realized like, that doesn't mean anything like reading a hundred books

00:37:39.120 doesn't mean anything unless you're willing to do something about it and apply it to your life.

00:37:42.720 But I'd never heard that concept of like actually rewriting a page or rewriting a concept in a way

00:37:48.020 that resonates with you. That's, that sounds pretty powerful. Yeah. It would get these quote

00:37:52.360 books too. Like, I mean, 500 or thousand page, just thick quote books. And I just sit on my rack and

00:37:58.440 avoid all the drama of prison and just rewrite them, just rewrite the whole fucking book. And it would

00:38:03.800 just cause me to, it would get the wheels turned. Reading is good and all if it gets the wheels turning.

00:38:08.920 I mean, we're, we're after increasing cognition. We're not after just reading. And that's the

00:38:14.340 problem here. A lot of people are consistent. A lot of people read, but are they truly comprehending

00:38:20.220 what they read? Are they truly comprehending the act that's taking place? I don't think they are

00:38:24.900 too many people show up to the gym and don't get ripped and don't get all school. Too many people

00:38:29.580 show up to their job and don't get the pay they want. Too many people are in a relationship that they

00:38:34.300 don't, they're not attracted to the other person. So habitually they're creating someone who's okay

00:38:39.320 with doing the work and not getting the result. So essentially, yeah, consistency is cool, but

00:38:45.240 comprehension trumps. Do you think people are just like checking things off the box? You know,

00:38:52.140 like, Oh, Wes does this, Ryan does this, this guy does that. So I'll just do that thing. And they're

00:38:58.340 just checking it off, going through the motions. And then they get frustrated with themselves because

00:39:02.400 they don't produce the results that you might, or I might, or somebody else they may be inspired by

00:39:06.420 are in their own life. Yeah. They're just not really going within and attaching to,

00:39:10.640 I call it the stream of consciousness or infinite intelligence. I mean, when, when you really tap in

00:39:15.960 and you, you start to really just create, that's our mode that that's flow state. I mean,

00:39:22.340 when we get in that mode that that's, that's where everything comes from. And they just really

00:39:26.800 haven't found that power yet. And the point is, is I always feel like everything's earned. So even

00:39:33.000 from the universe, from infinite intelligence, the messages we get from above that have been

00:39:36.980 passed on the same messages has been, have been going along since the dawn of time. It's all the

00:39:41.220 same stuff, just rewritten. So the point is to become a, a quality facilitator of this message

00:39:46.760 that, that I speak, that other people speak. We're all, people are like, Oh, Goggins says that. I'm

00:39:51.660 like, there is no Goggins. There is no Robbins. There's the universe sending a message. There's

00:39:56.040 no Watson. I'm not a good speaker. I'm not a good writer. I'm none of this. I'm a good listener.

00:40:01.280 So as soon as they're able to listen to the messages coming from above, now they're able

00:40:05.760 to truly apply it and not care what anyone's saying. The point is, is they're still caring

00:40:11.360 if other people are worried about it. And a lot of people, they don't realize that their ego is

00:40:15.720 stopping them from truly becoming someone who receives these messages because they want to get on

00:40:20.980 camera, but they don't look right. Or, or they want to write something to help someone, but,

00:40:24.760 but they don't, they don't know how it's going to be accepted. And the point is, is that's not

00:40:28.520 a quality facilitator of the message from above. The person who's going to be the one is a person

00:40:34.180 who's ready to fucking die for the message coming from above. And the, and that's just, I just,

00:40:38.800 I don't care. I'm not going to listen to anybody except my conscience and what I know is right

00:40:43.600 from above. Cause I just believe if a man is right, his world will be right. And so many people I've

00:40:48.820 helped with what some pussy motherfucker would call a negative message. I've helped more people

00:40:54.480 with that message saying, motherfucker, do you want to walk around with tits as a man? Like

00:40:59.020 choosing to cross, cross gender lines by choice. Like you chose to grow breasts by choice. Like

00:41:05.900 just by eating these snacks, you chose them. Like what the fuck? And that message alone would shock a lot

00:41:13.560 of people. It has helped more people get in control of their weight and control their life

00:41:18.020 and get confidence in anything. Cause it's so fucking true. And the only reason it's true to

00:41:22.100 me is because when I was younger, I didn't want to take my shirt off. I didn't want to go to the

00:41:26.460 beach. I missed out on a lot of fun times and, and, and felt a lot of pain because my friends who had

00:41:32.860 the six pack naturally and were ripped naturally, they're just chilling and everybody's hanging out.

00:41:37.620 There's girls, everybody's there. We're growing up. We don't know what's going on.

00:41:41.380 And all I know is I don't feel right. That is traumatic for a teenager. That's why the

00:41:46.960 fucking, the dad, he does love his son. He does, but he doesn't love himself enough to love his

00:41:54.180 son correctly. So someone who loves himself enough, who loves himself enough to sacrifice

00:41:59.120 and get the results that they know they need to pass it on to their son. That man loves his son at a

00:42:04.700 different degree. Yeah. He's just more capable of doing it. The more you love yourself. Like I look at

00:42:09.660 the, um, like even Bible references where it's, you know, what are the great commandments, you know,

00:42:15.040 love thy neighbor as they self, right? The second great commandment, what people think is like,

00:42:19.740 okay, so I'm just supposed to go out and love everybody. But what they fail to understand,

00:42:23.220 even in that message is love thy neighbor as thyself. That means that you have to love yourself

00:42:30.760 in order to love your neighbor. And if you want to love your neighbor more fully, then you have to

00:42:35.980 love yourself more fully because you won't have the capacity to love them to the degree that you

00:42:41.700 talk about wanting to love them. You only know it. We only know the capacity at which it's created

00:42:47.140 within. And so that was that post the other day on, uh, happy wife, happy life. And I, I went in to say

00:42:52.780 that my wife's happy because I was a quality teacher because I lived and I personified what I

00:42:59.220 teach. And then she was able to walk through that door and truly love herself correctly. So we've

00:43:04.640 created a different type of relationship now. And the point is, is do we not have battles and

00:43:10.520 arguments and all the fuck? No, we do. But the point is, is we're just, we're geared towards

00:43:15.860 growth. We're geared towards winning. We're geared towards getting rid of what's causing us both so

00:43:20.680 much pain, which is always, it's always that dumb choice. It's always that pleasure. It's always those

00:43:25.300 vices. It's always that stuff we know we don't need. And it's always people looking for happiness

00:43:30.020 in the same place. They consistently loses in that fridge, in that alcohol cabinet. I mean,

00:43:35.320 they're looking for it in the same place. They lose it. And the just, when is it, when is it

00:43:39.640 finally enough? Like literally. Yeah. I want to shift gears because I've been fascinated with

00:43:45.240 something. I know that you've talked about this, this, uh, vocally and, and I'm interested in how

00:43:49.840 you lead with your wife and in that relationship, because I know she's had to overcome her own

00:43:55.160 battles with alcohol. And I know that you, you've spent a lot of time, obviously with her. There's

00:44:00.060 a lot of guys who, you know, they want, they want their wives to improve in some capacity. Maybe it's

00:44:07.000 a vice or maybe it's a habit that they need to overcome. Walk me through how you begin to get your

00:44:13.300 wife on board. If maybe she isn't fully on board with what you're doing and how you're trying to

00:44:17.640 improve. You got to have the long view and you got to not talk until you got your fucking results.

00:44:22.600 So the point is, is I was grinding in silence for 10 years before I ever fucking stood on a podium

00:44:28.400 or stood on, got on a video or anything. So I was ready. I was more than ready. I had my 10 years in

00:44:34.040 straight, not a day off. So the point is they're just talking too early. They're, they're making it

00:44:38.740 more or less attractive because they haven't got the results yet. The point is, is my wife started

00:44:43.600 to listen because I am ripped because I am massively successful in everything I do. And I showed her how

00:44:49.940 she can do it. And in all areas, how it just, how it doesn't just affect her externally.

00:44:54.960 It affects her internally. And then I wait and I'm patient. And I just say, I'm never giving up.

00:45:00.000 I don't give a fuck. Like whatever. I'm going to ride it out. And she's equally as patient

00:45:04.220 with my massive flaws of energy. Sometimes I go from extremely positive and pulling everything off

00:45:11.120 to massively angry and negative really quick. I come out of it very quickly. Now I used to sit there

00:45:16.720 and just be frustrated and angry about stuff for a year, for weeks, for days. I mean,

00:45:22.040 like never letting shit go. Now I experience it. I see how fucking stupid it is. And I come

00:45:27.280 apologize for my lapse in energy. So that's one thing me and my wife do. We're, we're not just

00:45:32.220 accountable to action. We're not just accountable to thought we're accountable to our energy. So in a,

00:45:37.860 in a room like this, we're both in the room. And the second I know she's feeling me slipping

00:45:43.400 or me thinking a certain way or any sort of energy flaw that's happening where the room

00:45:48.920 got uneasy. It got, the air got a little thick. I just go give her a hug and apologize and get

00:45:53.400 right, right back to my end goal, which is I want to be with her till I fucking die.

00:45:58.020 Hmm. Yeah, man, that's powerful. I mean,

00:46:00.940 Imagine if someone did that. Imagine if everybody did that. They're like,

00:46:03.860 like, even if they're just accountable to thought, they're like, damn, I was thinking

00:46:06.660 some bullshit about you. And I know that isn't in line with the relationship I wish to have

00:46:11.260 with you. So, Hey, my bad. Like, that would be like amazing if people could do that. And then

00:46:15.920 if people were even able to check their energy as it shifted and be like, I know you could feel

00:46:19.920 that. I apologize for that. I was getting a little fucking weird. And that's the whole thing.

00:46:25.040 People are afraid to admit that because they don't understand how the universe operates.

00:46:28.680 That has to happen. There has to be, you have to operate in a, in a stage, a state of low vibration

00:46:33.900 to really respect what, what it feels like when you're vibrating at a utmost, at the highest level.

00:46:38.600 So we, we just have to be accountable to change this and get better at it. And the way to do it

00:46:44.460 is the simplest way. When you're, when your thoughts are going negative, when your rate of

00:46:49.040 vibration's dropping, when your energy's dropping, you go into physical activity. We have this instilled

00:46:53.940 in us through creation that we can give ourselves that high. There's a runner's high. There's a

00:46:59.720 workout high. Those endorphins are right, are kicked in. Why is everyone going to the bag that they

00:47:04.440 just buy instead of earning it with the workout the way we're supposed to? They just think they're

00:47:09.240 better than it. They think they're better than us, how we were built as humans. You're not, you're

00:47:14.300 not. There's no book. There's no hack. There's none of this shit. There's no way around it. There's

00:47:18.600 no mindset trick. Your mindset gets flawed. When you, when you go negative, you go straight into intense

00:47:24.220 physical exercise. I've never seen someone leave the gym all pissed. You go straight into intense

00:47:28.560 physical exercise. You gain that PMA. You raise your rate of vibration, your ROV, and then you go

00:47:34.760 into some affirming readings. And then you look at your life's problems. A lot of people sit there and

00:47:40.460 try to decipher life's problems in a negative mindset. And they only see the negative outcome.

00:47:45.360 They just don't even get it. Get yourself positive and then look at the situation. Don't even try to

00:47:50.680 touch any of that shit while negative. I had to do that in the pen consistently because imagine

00:47:55.380 I'm sitting there in the shoe and I'm like, I'm just going through my head. I'm like, fuck,

00:48:00.120 I'm never getting out. They're going to pick this case up. I saw the pictures. That dude was fucked

00:48:04.240 up. I already have a bunch of violent fucking cases, man. I'm fucked. I just had to go into the

00:48:09.660 craziest workout to beat that out of my head. Is PMA positive mental attitude? Is that what you're

00:48:15.120 talking about? Yeah. Positive mental attitude. I think that's Napoleon Hill or one of the, one of the

00:48:19.040 greats. Yeah. That's, I mean, look, I feel the same way. And you know, it's interesting, even when

00:48:25.700 I'm down, like I could get up on the floor and just do like 10 pushups really quick, just crank

00:48:29.420 out 10 and immediately, even with that small little exercise, I immediately and instantaneously start

00:48:34.700 feeling better. It's massive. I mean, I just tell people, I'm like, dude, discipline yourself. When your

00:48:39.920 energy fails, when your attitude fails, go do 50 fucking burpees. Just go do them. You'll be like,

00:48:44.720 what the fuck that work. And then here's the bitches there. They got these excuses. I'm going

00:48:48.940 to do 50 burpees in my office. Shut the fuck up. You go figure out how to fucking adapt,

00:48:54.320 you know, just go get your goddamn heart rate up real quick and come back. But the point is,

00:48:58.740 is those excuse have a motherfuckers. They just don't really want it yet. It hasn't got bad enough.

00:49:02.940 So I facilitate rock bottom for a motherfucker like that. Motherfucker like that hits me up through

00:49:08.440 my coaching or, or is in my coach or anything. I just, I'll facilitate their, their stages right

00:49:14.320 down to rock bottom and show them who the fuck they are. Because how do you do that? I just, I

00:49:19.020 just, I really bring all their shit to the forefront, all their flaws, what the fuck they're

00:49:23.440 doing. I really just seriously get straight into what they're, what they're dropping the ball on.

00:49:29.600 I mean, the point is, is we need that. It's either going to be in the whole thing is, is you

00:49:34.920 either got to humble yourself and change it or somebody else is going to do it for you or life's

00:49:38.600 going to do it. And the point, I don't want them to go to the pen. So I'm going to, and I don't want

00:49:42.940 them to live that life of a subpar motherfucker. I believe in abundance. There's enough room

00:49:47.420 for us all to kill it. I know it. I do. I see so much in people because I know the shit

00:49:53.640 bag I was and I know how out of shape I was and I know how easy it is to attain. So I just

00:49:58.580 can't even deal with them being less of themselves. So I'm, I'm just not the best person for people

00:50:03.560 who don't want to excel. I mean, if they want to stay down there, that's fine. I mean, I

00:50:08.860 just wish them growth. And when they're ready, I'll be there for no harm. It don't matter.

00:50:13.840 Yeah. It's interesting because I think we have a tendency just societally collectively

00:50:18.180 to believe that if somebody is coddling someone, if they make them feel comfortable with who

00:50:22.840 they are, which is a great plague in society currently that somehow that individual actually

00:50:27.680 cares about somebody. And, and I don't think, look, if you're sparing people conversations,

00:50:33.260 cause you think it might be uncomfortable. I think it has less to do with how you feel about

00:50:37.140 that individual. And it's actually selfish. You care more about not having an uncomfortable

00:50:42.860 conversation. You care about more about yourself than that individual. If you're not willing to

00:50:48.140 speak the truth to that person, they don't see it. I mean, the biggest injustice we can

00:50:52.780 do a man is to accommodate his shortcomings. I mean, how, how not, how not I'm a self-made

00:50:59.880 millionaire. I'm fit. I just got out of prison two years ago. If I were to tell you you're

00:51:04.360 stupid for not using the fucking app correctly because of pure laziness, then I'm helping

00:51:10.580 you. And I, I will do it like that, that way to some people. I mean, cause literally

00:51:15.240 a guy will be like, Oh, I tell him we need 35 grams of protein for this meal. And then

00:51:20.600 he's like, how many ounces of, of this shake? And I'm like, dude, turn the fucking bottle

00:51:24.960 around. And it says 32 grams of protein per scoop. And I'm like, you really couldn't do

00:51:29.540 that. What do you do for a living? Like I'm a crane operator. I'm like, what the fuck?

00:51:33.700 They haven't fired you yet. How are you pulling this off? How are you breathing? Should I call

00:51:37.600 911 for you, bro? Like, I don't know how you're existing right now. I don't get it. And this

00:51:42.460 is what, this is the problem. I know what it is though. It's just lack of confidence.

00:51:47.000 He knew the answer. He would just wasn't even confident enough to pull the trigger on something

00:51:52.080 that was right in front of his fucking face. So the point is, is what we're after is that

00:51:57.160 spiritual inclination where we, we become confident with self. So in the age of information,

00:52:03.040 the leaders, they're going to be more spiritually inclined because they're going to know where

00:52:06.960 to put the information. Everybody has the information. Everyone has the information.

00:52:12.000 They just don't know what to do with it because they're lacking the confidence. So what, where

00:52:16.020 I facilitate it is I show them how to build confidence with these daily steps, this daily

00:52:21.660 process, forcing yourself up, making sure you hit these, these non-negotiable tasks that

00:52:26.760 build confidence so that when someone leaves my program, they're just like, I fucking smash 12

00:52:31.920 things a day that I'm supposed to do. Give me a 13th one. Give me a 15th. These are the people we

00:52:37.460 have to create, not those people who are just, they're just operating at such a low sense of self.

00:52:42.940 I mean, from years of not trying to figure out the answer, lack of curiosity, lack of follow-through.

00:52:50.020 Yeah. And it is interesting that you can incorporate, I think you talked about five things,

00:52:54.180 you know, you talked about hitting the macros, getting up early, these types of things that

00:52:57.260 you're talking about, how they will inevitably produce results in other areas of your life,

00:53:02.180 right? If you can be disciplined over here, you can't help, but be more disciplined in

00:53:07.440 another facet of your life. It will carry over.

00:53:10.260 It's so powerful. People tell me, uh, Wes, you're already ripped. Why don't you have a cheat

00:53:13.680 meal? I'm like, dude, if I go eat pancakes in the morning, I will argue with my wife,

00:53:18.820 like a motherfucker. I'll start a fight with someone on the street, not physically, but I'll

00:53:23.120 just, I'll, my, my weakness will come right to the front. So the second I drop my discipline

00:53:29.420 by not sticking to my diet, sticking to my daily regimen, then my weakness just, it comes

00:53:35.520 out and I'm not disciplined enough to handle this weakness. So my weakness is I, I, I fucking,

00:53:40.520 I get angry. I have a bad reaction to people when they sit, when they, they act a certain way.

00:53:45.660 So the point is, is my keeping my discipline up with my diet. If you're like, why do you

00:53:50.560 diet? You're already ripped. You don't have to. I'm like, so that I treat my wife correct.

00:53:54.560 They're like, what does that have to do with it? I'm like, my weakness is I react in the

00:53:58.020 wrong way to people in certain situations. And that's my weakness. And they're like, they

00:54:02.800 don't get that the root of our weakness is lack of discipline. So if you have a drug problem,

00:54:07.760 if you have an anger problem, whatever fucking problem you have, the answer to it's discipline.

00:54:11.660 So what are we going to do? We're going to discipline the shit out of ourselves in a militant

00:54:15.640 way, a fucking prison penitentiary program way. These guys are so disciplined. I used to just

00:54:21.140 be the worst. Like I would stand like before chow every day, stand by the door 40 minutes early with

00:54:26.640 my cup and my spoon and not let anybody go in front of me. I did it every prison I was at. I

00:54:31.820 would be the first person in front of the door, just boom. And people would have make a joke. Like

00:54:36.980 I'm going to go in front of him today. And it's like years that I would not let anybody be there

00:54:41.460 before me because I was so prepared, so regimented through everything. Always the first up, always

00:54:47.020 the, always the first out the door, always. And this was just me solidifying in my mindset that

00:54:53.080 I'm a leader. And if you're up first and you're working on yourself, you start to just think like

00:54:58.640 a leader. That's how it is. And people are like, Oh, I don't want to be a leader. It's like,

00:55:02.580 you have to lead somebody. You don't want to lead your wife to being a better person. I mean,

00:55:07.520 you don't have to be a massive leader to the fucking free world, but you have to lead someone.

00:55:13.080 Even yourself, like even lead yourself, you know, like how often do we listen? I think you talked

00:55:18.840 about this, this, like this, this natural person, right? Our natural tendencies to be weak and lazy

00:55:23.620 and pathetic, like lead that guy. Right. And, and change that guy into something more than he was

00:55:29.580 before. Lead your current self all the way up to your higher self, the vision you have of self.

00:55:35.480 I mean, if I chose to not track my macros, if I chose to sleep in, if I chose to drink again,

00:55:42.440 if I chose not to work out, I wouldn't be me. I would be so fucking average and just be miserable.

00:55:48.740 How can people not equate this? I'm not lucky. I've made a bunch of fucking choices that got me

00:55:54.800 where I'm at and those choices and that knowledge gained through the choices that wisdom gained through

00:56:00.340 the pain and overcoming of it created the person I became today. Am I special?

00:56:05.120 So fuck no. I give a fuck about me. Like I get up with the thought in my head that my wife and son

00:56:10.520 have to be proud of me. That's it. And that all my people on my team and all the people that follow

00:56:15.200 me on Instagram, that if they were thinking about sleeping in that day, not giving it their all,

00:56:19.720 they saw that I was up again. So it motivated them. I don't give a shit how I feel in the morning.

00:56:24.540 Like that's the second I go that route and I'm like, Oh, but I don't feel like I check myself so

00:56:30.040 hard. I just automatically think of the people who really have life bad and none of us are.

00:56:36.340 I'm glad you say that because I think people would probably have a tendency of looking at somebody

00:56:40.360 like yourself. And I know this is true because I've seen people do it where they look at somebody

00:56:44.640 who's highly successful or highly disciplined. And they think that somehow that's just genetic,

00:56:49.340 right? Like, Oh, Wes can do it because that's just like who he is. And they don't realize that

00:56:54.960 you have days that you want to slack off and you want to be like the bitch that you talk about,

00:57:00.380 but you overcome that. It's not that you don't have those days. It's that you figured out a way

00:57:04.960 to overcome that. Just chose. We just chose to. And the fact is, I mean, just people really,

00:57:11.680 they just want to find any reason why it can't be them. And they're the reason why it isn't them.

00:57:16.480 Their choice is simply the reason. All the stuff that's hardest for me is what gives me the most

00:57:23.000 pleasure. How dumb would I be if I couldn't make the correlation between the most impossible thing

00:57:28.980 that happened to me, 10 years in prison, the day I get handcuffed in court and I know I'm done.

00:57:35.140 I just got sentenced. I'm done. Bye mom. Bye everybody. I'm gone. And, and I overcame all that

00:57:42.440 to where I am today. How dumb would I be to ever look at adversity as anything, but a blessing,

00:57:48.400 anything, but a hookup. The point is, is people are just wishing it won't happen instead of using

00:57:53.960 it as that fucking, just, just that pedestal, just that fucking stomping ground to just elevate the

00:57:59.840 shit out of yourself. I mean, the, it only means anything because we overcame something.

00:58:05.220 It means more if you grow up in a negative neighborhood and negative household to choose

00:58:09.980 to be positive. I mean, if you were just gifted, anything, you'd be that spoiled fuck who don't

00:58:14.920 give a shit what he was giving. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and you also talked about too, is, is using,

00:58:20.760 uh, maybe it's obsessiveness. Maybe it's the, the, like a highly charged or a highly emotional

00:58:26.940 individual who thinks that maybe that's, that's going to hinder them. It's like, no, just redirect

00:58:31.260 that, right. Just channel that. And you can use those emotions. You can use that power. You can

00:58:35.820 use intensity. Like I would describe you as long as you're channeling it, not towards vice and the

00:58:41.420 things, you know, you don't want to be doing, but towards the things that you do want to be doing

00:58:44.480 that. That's a benefit to you, not a hindrance. Yeah. Those emotional motivators are everything

00:58:49.080 to me. I cry every morning. I mean, I come in the, in the pen, I would be doing handstand pushups,

00:58:53.620 just smacking my head on the ground, like blood dripping out my forehead, literally just thinking

00:58:58.940 about mom. I'm going to make you proud, mom. I don't give a fuck what I got to do. Fuck this

00:59:03.900 shit. I don't care. And it just, it started with the simplest vision of I'm going to create the

00:59:09.280 person that's that, that needs to be created. So, so many people, like they want to be this

00:59:14.500 excellent teacher, but who the fuck they teaching? Do they want to appeal to the youth? Well, let's be

00:59:19.820 honest. Like, do you think they're going to listen to you? If you don't have the look, they need to

00:59:23.840 fucking see. So quit being so selfish, create that fucking look. If you want to get through to the

00:59:28.380 youth, don't be that shot out pastor or teacher or someone who swears he's getting through to them,

00:59:33.760 but has no idea how to get through to them. You have to fucking be winning. People are looking

00:59:39.440 for your weakness. The second you make them feel uncomfortable, the second you're trying to cause

00:59:44.240 a teenager, an adult or anyone to grow, the second you're, you're bringing up those pain points that

00:59:50.400 they need to change. They're automatically looking for your weakness. They're automatically looking for

00:59:54.620 the equipment to equate where you're failing so that it gives them a way out. If you don't give

00:59:59.620 them a way out, you're good. You got them. They have no way out. They just have to agree at that

01:00:05.540 point. And then you can teach. Yeah. I've thought about that too. Cause there's certainly even over

01:00:10.880 the past five years as I've tried to grow the influence and what we're doing here is, you know,

01:00:15.360 there's been times where I've looked at myself and said, who am I like to tell that guy to do

01:00:20.240 whatever to get up early or to go into the gym or to treat his wife and kids the way he should like,

01:00:25.460 who am I to do that? Because I'm falling short in those areas. I've really had to check myself a lot

01:00:30.420 of times in that case. That's, that's the massive thing. I mean, and it's just, it's a daily,

01:00:36.600 everyone wants it too quick. So how long have, have these individuals practice what they preach is

01:00:42.000 where the fucking power comes from. How long you've exponentially lived what you preach is where the

01:00:47.780 fuck is how much people absorb it and feel it. So I personally know this and I know people resonate

01:00:55.140 with my message because how long I've just truly just dedicated myself to it. So even like on a day,

01:01:00.820 if I were to say, okay, well today I'm going to carb up, which is not even crazy eating. It's just a

01:01:07.400 carb up so that I don't turn into a fucking skeleton from eating so low carb to, to speak in this manner.

01:01:12.680 Cause I, I, I eat a carnivore style diet to speak better and to compose more clear thought,

01:01:18.220 but then I have to stay carved up every few days to actually keep, maintain some sort of a size that

01:01:24.340 I like too. So I do like a carnivore type carb cycling hybrid of my own, but this is, this is what

01:01:30.420 works for me. I've just hacked myself to operate good with this manner. But the point is, is how,

01:01:35.260 how the fuck could I really believe that I couldn't pass it on or I didn't have the power to my words

01:01:41.300 if I wasn't living in the manner. So even on the days when I do carb up or whatever,

01:01:46.600 I tap out of all business. I tap out of everything. I say, I don't even deserve it.

01:01:51.640 I don't deserve to teach anybody right now. I'm going to, I'm going to bow out and the phone's

01:01:56.000 going off. Everything's going off. I don't deserve anything coming my way that I preach right now.

01:02:00.720 And that's how authentic I am to my universal met the universal message is I'll be believed that I

01:02:06.220 don't deserve it at that point when I'm not completely congruent with my message. And the fact

01:02:11.220 is, is when I do that, even I'm blessed tenfold because I know that I really didn't want it.

01:02:17.380 I didn't need it. I didn't want it. I didn't deserve it. And then it came even more because

01:02:21.280 that was the true answer. Didn't need it. So people are always looking for their life's purpose.

01:02:25.500 Your life's purpose comes when you realize your life is your purpose and you're not looking for a

01:02:30.160 life's purpose. When you don't need it no more is when you get it. When I didn't need to get out of

01:02:35.460 prison no more is when I got out. When, when you don't need to be on this lockdown or when you're not

01:02:40.600 worried about getting off this lockdown anymore is when you'll get it. And when you live that

01:02:44.740 structured day, that just is your passion is when you'll get paid for it in the manner you want.

01:02:50.400 If you force outcomes, you're operating out of scarcity. Abundance means you'll do it regardless.

01:02:55.940 And then it rains down. Yeah, that's, that's powerful. You know, you talk about scarcity.

01:03:00.500 I talk about even desperation. Like I look at my, cause my background is financial planning.

01:03:04.820 And I remember early in the financial planning years, man, I was so desperate because I had to make the

01:03:10.080 payments. I had to make the mortgage. I had to pay the debt, all that kind of stuff.

01:03:13.880 And when I would meet with people, they would pick up on that desperation and I couldn't pick

01:03:19.720 up a new client to save my life. And it was interesting because it wasn't until I didn't

01:03:25.340 need new clients that people were like, Hey, I need financial planning. Like I'd have to ask for

01:03:30.020 referrals anymore. People were coming to me to beat down my door. I'm like, I can't, I can't handle

01:03:34.500 this. Like I can't meet with all of you. I just don't have the capacity to do it. It's ironic

01:03:38.520 and frustrating, but yeah, when you're not desperate and you're operating out of abundance,

01:03:43.100 that's when you'll start to see and reap the benefits of your efforts.

01:03:47.120 So once you couple the, once you couple that mindset with only trying to provide worth before

01:03:53.260 you ever get compensation. So all my videos, everything I do is providing exactly what worked

01:03:59.080 for me in the exact form I thought it and did it first. Now the people who need an extra breakdown,

01:04:05.000 which is fine. It took me as long, it took me 13 years to understand the way I operate

01:04:09.580 and do it. So I understand that they need extra breakdown on macros or training or these mindset

01:04:14.060 techniques and they want further. Well, then that's what the coaching's for. But the point

01:04:18.000 is I give away exactly how I understood it first so that a lot of people just can change their life

01:04:23.860 just off the content. And then you get to a few people like, Oh, you're not really in this to help

01:04:28.580 people. Uh, you're charging. I'm like, do you go to work for free motherfucker? But those people,

01:04:34.360 you can't help them. They're just massively delusional. And they don't realize that if anyone

01:04:38.600 is bending rules for them, they're doing nothing but them doing them a massive disservice.

01:04:44.000 Yeah. Well, you know, I think there's those people who feel like they're owed something. I had

01:04:47.820 a guy, he emailed me the other day and he said, Hey, I always see you have good ones. You always have

01:04:53.020 some crazy ones of people just talking shit. I do. And I try to ignore it, but you know,

01:04:57.960 sometimes I say a thing or two and I don't feel any better, but you know, it is what it is. But

01:05:03.060 I had this guy reach out to me and he said, Hey man, like, I really want to join one of your

01:05:06.740 programs. And I'm wondering if you can give me a discount. I'm like, no, like if you don't care

01:05:11.600 about it enough and I'm out of integrity, giving you a discount that other people are paying full

01:05:16.320 price and investing in themselves. Like, how is that fair to them? How is that fair to you?

01:05:20.440 Like you're not going to put, you're going to put in half the effort if you're paying

01:05:23.000 half the price. And how is that fair to me? You know, like pay, pay the price, invest

01:05:28.780 fully in yourself. Don't ask for something that somebody else isn't getting. And people

01:05:33.420 talk about, Oh, I deserve, or I'm entitled. You deserve exactly what you have. And if you

01:05:38.620 deserve more, you would have more.

01:05:41.680 That's it. It's so true. I mean, like I said, just your, everyone should just be after

01:05:46.020 personal development and the success will follow. So all, everything should be

01:05:50.420 going towards that. It's the funniest guy who, who really spends so much more on his

01:05:54.020 truck payment than on his personal development. And he wonders why he's stuck in the same

01:05:57.360 position and it just, they won't, they'll never get it. So, but as soon as they do start

01:06:03.140 to realize it, then they come around. And for every person I say like that, there is literally

01:06:08.040 20 to a hundred or 300 people that I talked to that are so fucking good. So, I mean, like

01:06:14.920 the way we view the world is truly a confession of character. And all I see, I don't even

01:06:19.160 see much of the negative stuff no more. I see people just slaughtering it. Like I see

01:06:23.880 people who are just overtaking me so quick with like the same thought process, the same

01:06:29.160 discipline and everything. And I mean, cause I'm just surrounded by my team of dudes who

01:06:33.320 did, they literally just kill it. They pick it up so quick. They, the belief is there.

01:06:37.880 I mean, that that's the people, well, I just want a trial run to see if this really works.

01:06:43.400 I'm like, do you really believe that if you do an intense workout every day and eat these

01:06:47.640 structured, clean foods that are specific to your body, you're not going to change. And

01:06:52.280 they're like, Oh, well, I just want to see how I said, no, no, no. You just believe that

01:06:55.440 you can. And I get, and I kind of just don't even, I'm not even going to work with you

01:06:59.500 till you get your belief up. Hit me up when you just are ready to say, let's go and nothing

01:07:04.480 more. Right. Right. It's powerful. How's, uh, you talk a lot about your son. You talk

01:07:10.780 about your wife. You talk about making them proud and your mom. What's, what's your relationship

01:07:14.560 like with your mother? Is she, is she proud of you? Do you feel like you're at the stage

01:07:17.340 where she calls me every morning? I mean, mom's mom's, she's came down here the other day and

01:07:23.400 we're always back and forth. She loves my wife. They talk. I mean, they just, my mom, my wife

01:07:28.540 calls her mom and then, and then, uh, and she has her own mom, but she just like that. She

01:07:32.280 loves my dad. She's like, dude, can he adopt me? Like it's, it's crazy. Like she didn't

01:07:37.200 have a father growing up in her life. And, um, you know, it's a, that that's another thing

01:07:41.440 like, fuck man, being in prison with all these dudes who are just scumbag fathers and they're

01:07:47.500 crying about kids. And then, and then they choose to get out and go to the speed or the

01:07:51.280 heroin over their kids. It just pissed me off because in there, I didn't have kids. I was operating

01:07:56.000 from a, a made up vision of my future family that was motivating and they had them and still

01:08:00.920 wasn't, weren't motivated. So the point is, is they're habitually creating someone who

01:08:05.020 just doesn't see meaning in anything. They're not able to attach deep meaning to shit. So

01:08:09.920 just basically mom's being proud of me is one of the most massive things ever because my

01:08:14.860 brother can't get it together. He's slowly, he may do it this time, but he's back locked

01:08:20.200 up again. He all, he just ended up locked up for the last, you know, 15 years.

01:08:24.740 Hmm. I'm happy for you, man. That makes me happy. I'm excited to hear that. It's been pretty

01:08:29.700 cool to watch your progress and your journey and your growth. And not only that, but to

01:08:32.960 see how you've inspired, man, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people at this

01:08:37.640 point to pick themselves up, dust themselves off and get back into it.

01:08:41.700 That's the thing. We got 40 million plus views on YouTube. And I didn't even know that the

01:08:46.040 other day until someone told me, but I mean, everybody, I know that this universal, these

01:08:52.640 universal messages, this wisdom of the ages, I know it affects people at every level, whether

01:08:57.540 they're ready to receive the message or not is, is there's no difference. But I mean,

01:09:02.120 I know everybody's affected by this stuff because I was, and we're all not, we're all

01:09:06.200 not so different. We're all not like literally that's why the same messages have been passed

01:09:10.880 down since the dawn of time is that that's just what we're supposed, this is what we're

01:09:14.700 supposed to follow.

01:09:16.160 Yeah. Yeah. Well, let me ask you a couple of questions as we wind down the first one.

01:09:19.940 I didn't tell you about this, but, and you kind of alluded to it a couple of times,

01:09:22.700 but the question is, what does it mean to be a man? I mean, responsible by definition,

01:09:27.780 a man is responsible. So, I mean, you can sit there and just apply it to the one area

01:09:33.060 that it fits you and say, I go to work every day. I'm responsible. I pay the bills, but it's

01:09:37.760 gotta be across the board. Like knowledge is, is, is a one way street to get there, but wisdom

01:09:44.140 is looking at it from all directions. So, I mean, there's, there's a difference between

01:09:48.060 knowing some shit and being wise. Being wise is taking a quote like that. By definition,

01:09:53.400 a man is responsible and truly taking it into your heart and applying it to everything you do.

01:09:58.640 Am I responsible in my health? Am I responsible in my actions and me being a quality role model?

01:10:03.660 Am I responsible at actually paying the bills? Am I responsible at being a provider protector?

01:10:08.340 I mean, this is what it takes is the man to, to really introspect, to look within and say,

01:10:13.880 do I fit on every access of this, every fucking increment of this line? Do I fit this quote that

01:10:21.020 men are responsible by definition? And if you don't, then apply it to all the areas. That's why

01:10:26.620 this path is never ending. So this path is never ending because we're just consistently happily

01:10:32.840 dissatisfied, always leveling up, always looking for that weakness. The fool just looks at his strength

01:10:38.220 and says, I'm going to work every day. I pay the bills. I work construction. And so I deserve my 18

01:10:43.560 package to let my health fall off and then give my, give them a shitty fucking version of me when I

01:10:48.700 come home. Cause I'm tired. And the point, fuck all that. We can do way more than we've been doing.

01:10:55.780 Powerful man. Well, how do we connect with you and learn more about what you're up to?

01:11:00.100 Basically it's Watson underscore fit on Instagram. And then it's a GP penitentiary life on YouTube.

01:11:07.460 And then you can go to www.westwatson.com to apply for my coaching. I mean, we're changing lives every

01:11:15.060 day because this is what worked for me. I went from the below the bottom, below rock bottom to

01:11:21.680 where I'm at today with just a different perspective change, a different mindset. When you change your

01:11:27.100 thoughts, you will change your life. And when you become accountable to your self-talk, when you become

01:11:32.460 accountable to your actions, you can create the person you're supposed to be. You will create the

01:11:37.740 person you're supposed to. I love it, man. I appreciate you. I've, like I said, I've been

01:11:42.260 following you for a while and I'm inspired by what you're doing. You helped me improve in my life. And

01:11:46.280 I know you're going to help people that have listened to this, that are going to reach out to

01:11:49.260 you for coaching. You're doing good stuff, man. It's awesome. Like I said, we can either be,

01:11:54.560 we can be one of two things when we see someone excelling and there's people above me that I just

01:11:58.920 am inspired by. There's always someone above us that we're inspired by. We got to just always make

01:12:03.920 sure we don't let those insecurities get away, get in the way, which is ego. Let those insecurities

01:12:08.820 get in the way of our progression and our ability to be our best and let everybody around us inspire

01:12:13.840 us. So I appreciate you, bro. Thanks for, thanks for just being a quality example of what men should

01:12:18.680 be. Cause I mean, fuck dude, I was around the fakest ones that just would cry in front of you one

01:12:25.760 minute, stick a needle in their arm the next minute and then get locked back up and leave

01:12:29.920 their family hanging. Next time they got out and just got sick of it, bro. But I appreciate you

01:12:35.500 having me on today. Thanks brother. Gentlemen, there you go. My conversation with the one and

01:12:40.480 only Wes Watson. I know for a fact that you guys enjoyed that one because how could you not? I mean,

01:12:46.400 the guy brings the fire. He's got so much passion and enthusiasm for life and what he's doing and how he

01:12:51.440 can improve your life. So if you're not already connected with Wes, then get that way quickly,

01:12:55.700 because you will be inspired to lead your life more effectively than maybe you have in the past.

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Order of Man - June 11, 2020

The Path To Redemption ｜ WES WATSON

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