The Power of Meritocracy, Conspiracies Debunked, and Elevating Our Standards ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING
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In this episode of the podcast, we talk with our good friend and lacrosse dad, Gpt. We talk about lacrosse, college life, and how to ask dumb questions. We also talk about how to be a better lacrosse player.
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colleges are becoming less and less developed is because it's turned into an institution of
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training people what to think, not how to think. And people say, well, it's always been. No, it
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hasn't. Asking questions, having debates and thoughtful dialogue, challenging perception,
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testing theories. We don't do that in those institutions to the degree that we even did
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50 years ago. In the Enlightenment era, the Renaissance era, and trying to figure things
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out and explore the arts and figure out and understand the cosmos and now it's like just
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chat gpt tell me what it is kiff what's up man so great to see you i was actually up in your
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neck of the woods uh this last weekend i didn't call you because i didn't want to talk with you
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so other than that we had a pretty good pretty good time that's not true we were just it was
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busy we were up for one day and back yeah i just gonna say that's when you don't post on social
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media what you're doing so that that way no one goes what the hell yeah yeah oh for sure it's
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funny because every once in a while i will i make a post where i am right and i might allude to where
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i am or people will recognize where i am and they're like well how come you didn't call me i'm
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like i do was i supposed to like i it's it's interesting because i do try to make calls and
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reach out to people that i you know like who are in the area but life is busy everybody knows that
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and it's funny because you're up here for a reason they get offended it's like wait i came
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up for this plan not for that although it would have been nice so anyways we had a good time
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we went to uh lacrosse the pll premier lacrosse league opening season uh in the salt lake city
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area and the lacrosse is a great game i mean it is a great game if you're a guy and you're
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listening to this and you don't have your kids involved in the lacrosse like you're just not
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being a good dad that there's just no other way around it and i love it that's not entirely true
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but kind of yeah and uh the pll is amazing the premier lacrosse league and what's cool about it
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is they don't do it like other leagues where you know in the nfl you've got 30 teams or whatever
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it is and they're all playing at different stadiums throughout the country lacrosse is so new
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that all of the teams travel to cities together and they do two or three days worth of games
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all the teams play that weekend so i think there was five or six games this games this weekend
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and uh yeah we caught one and a half of them and then had to make a quick trip home so it's fun
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it's a lot of fun so check it out premier lacrosse league it's amazing you know i've never seen a
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professional lacrosse game right like um one of my older boys he played lacrosse but it'd be fun to
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kind of pros do it to see the difference you know to me next probably cool yeah yeah it's it's it's
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so interesting if you're not familiar with it it's part football part rugby part part soccer
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part ice hockey part everything else football like it's it's everything all mixed into one
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and it's very fast paced these guys are super athletic uh and basically you can beat the hell
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out of each other with sticks, which is kind of fun too. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Well,
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we got something unique today. Do you want to introduce the listeners of what we're doing here?
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So it might make sense. It might make sense. It might even just be a total flop. We'll, we'll see,
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but you know, I like to mix it up and keep things interesting. And I figured, you know,
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we're always so serious here on the podcast, so we can be, we can be light a little bit today.
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uh what i thought would be funny is if if we just had people ask dumb questions and you know the
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mantra there's no there's no stupid questions oh there are and you'll hear some today so uh our
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goal our goal today is to try to give you actionable real and good advice on bad questions so
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i don't know i thought it'd be fun we'll mix it up and see how it goes it'll be fun yeah don't
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judge all these guys and their questions. We, we asked them to do this. Yeah. Because if anything,
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you might, you might assume the iron councils made up of a bunch of dipwits, but no, we've
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asked them to, um, to show up that way in this example. Exactly. Exactly. So yeah, we can get
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it taken care of today. Well, this first question totally sets the tone here. I particularly grabbed
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this one because I was like, Oh, that's hilarious. So Elijah Elliott, he says, after much study and
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effort, I have finally learned how to kill my ego. Now I am better than everybody else. How can I
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teach others to do the same without creating competition in this area? That's funny. Without
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creating competition, that's funny too. Yeah, because he wants to see on top of it. Yeah.
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Right. He's like, I don't want to create my competition and I am better than everybody else.
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Okay. So in the spirit of what we talked about today, he said, this is a dumb question, right?
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but we're going to give a real answer so here's a way to think about this i actually don't think
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it's bad to think well of yourself and i there there is a trend in society where you're not
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supposed to feel good about yourself you're not supposed to place yourself too highly above others
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you're not supposed to be egocentric and ego-driven and i agree with all of that but what rarely gets
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talked about is thinking well of yourself not highly of yourself but well of yourself and if
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you do think well of yourself then you're going to do the right things that are going to help you
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excel in certain aspects of your life so if you think well of yourself you're going to start
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working out you're going to put down substances you're going to work diligently you're going to
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communicate effectively you're going to develop new skills these are all things that you will do
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because it's important that you think well of yourself and uh i think when you do that you are
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going to rise to the top that's the inevitable outcome we live in believe it or not still
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largely a meritocracy one thing i get frustrated about is there's a growing sentiment among
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americans and i'm sure it's across the world as well um that we that that the people at the top
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did it at the expense of others and while i certainly believe there are some exploitation
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and there's some crony capitalism going on some corporatism is another thing you often hear which
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is at odds with capitalism um i think for the most part the people who excel do so because
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they're good at it and that just seems to me the natural order of things so that that's my answer
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be good think well of yourself develop skills and yeah you will be better than other people
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that's that's what's going to happen and then your job yeah is then to turn it around and help and
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serve and push other people along and we often think well that'll create competition that's
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actually a real sentiment people think that like i'm going to create my competition yeah maybe
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maybe you are but i've had this belief that like a lot of people will ask me how do you build a
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men's movement what can i do how can i grow this thing and i've always thought that there's two
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kinds of people there's one person who will ask for help and not actually need it they'll figure
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it out anyways whether you help them or not so you might as well help them because then you can
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create an ally out of that person or you could give them your entire playbook step by step the
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entire process and they're not going to do anything with the information anyways. So I don't
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feel like you actually hurt yourself by sharing. There are certain ways of doing things that might
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be proprietary. And I'm not saying you shouldn't protect your IP or intellectual property, but I
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don't think it's harmful to share ideas and insight with people. I mean, that's never the problem,
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right it's not like oh i mean i didn't have that idea no the barrier is the person the success is
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more tied to the individual willing to do the work not really the person with the idea right i mean
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let's be frank i mean just look around find a bunch of highly educated individuals that aren't
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successful in life oh they didn't have the information no they had the information
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they just have the discipline right or the work ethic necessary to push through
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So what I love about this, Ryan, and let me ask your thoughts about this.
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I think there's an element of this is like we shouldn't act this way.
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We might be like proud of ourselves and want to celebrate our wins, but we don't.
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I know a couple of people that I know that they're almost like don't share their wins with like family.
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because they don't want their family they're managing the perceptions of of family and they're
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not supposed to be happy for themselves and it's like it's really unfortunate right like we should
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have people at our corner that we could go dude i'm so happy that i accomplished this thing and
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be able to celebrate it and not just hide um you know some of our accomplishments not out of you
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know thinking we're better than anybody but celebrating the wins i mean how how sad is it
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that we, that we feel like we can't celebrate those things. What you're saying is part of the
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reason why people don't, the other part of the reason is too many men and women don't have people
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in their corner who would actually celebrate with them if they touted their accomplishments.
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Yeah. In fact, if anything, they don't have good people in their corner. Those people would
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be negative about it. They'd be negative. They'd be like, Oh, well, you know, it's easy to do that.
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well it must like somebody runs a marathon and their friends like well yeah it must be nice to
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have as much time as you need to be able to go run the marathon instead of actually celebrating
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the fact that somebody did something pretty cool and and that would keep a person silent you get
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enough criticism and pushback and people taking little pop shots and jabs from the cheap seats
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then of course nobody's going to share so think about that when you're being a friend if a friend
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comes to you and he's excited about how their daughter performed at a dance recital or how
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they showed up for a marathon or they hit a PR at the gym or they got a belt advancement in martial
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arts. Okay, that's awesome. Why are you threatened by that? Be excited for that person. Celebrate
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with them. Be a good friend. The other thing that you were saying, which I thought was interesting
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is, you know, when you were saying people have good ideas all the time is, you know, one thing
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that I often consider is how many times have you been, you know, sitting watching TV or you look
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at a billboard and you see this idea and you're like, I had that idea five years ago. And then
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you complain about it. It's like, well, if you had the idea, it's not the idea. It's the speed
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of implementation. So shame on you for having the idea five years ago and doing nothing about it.
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And if you weren't in the position or something was more important, then great.
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But don't complain about not doing anything with the idea.
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I was like, oh, it's a cool, cool working space that you rent out and you have these
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And she's like, didn't you tell me about you had an idea, like a virtual office idea
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like that like 20 years ago i'm like yeah yeah i'm like yeah yeah that was my idea that isn't
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that cool you know and i'm like yeah it is what it is right you should have acted on it and i
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actually started acting on it i was talking to an investor and i had this concept i was like
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this co-working space where you just rent out the space and it's a monthly subscription and
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you know what i mean and then you could tack on services you know on to renting your your
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co-working location but um yeah kind of fun yeah yeah yeah all right next dumb question
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elijah i hope that helps dustin stokes why do teenage boys act normal while fishing playing
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sports but the minute you take them to target or a decent restaurant they immediately go loud
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and feral feral oh i don't know that word actually that's not a feral like like um
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wild natured like crazy like no like not civilized think of no manners the flies no manners or like
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um the lost boys and peter pan like feral kids i think there's actually some some merit to letting
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kids be feral you know one one person that comes to mind is john lovell with warrior poet society
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he and his wife and family years ago came over to our place in maine and his kids are rowdy they're
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rowdy and rambunctious and but they're also well-mannered and intelligent and thoughtful
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yeah but he doesn't take that away from boys he lets them be feral in the right environment so
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i actually think this is a this is not a dumb question this is actually a really good question
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but it's true you know what why why don't boys want to sit down why don't boys want to color
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within the lines i guess that's where it's dumb it's kind of like obvious isn't it like the fact
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or or yeah well i don't i don't want to do those things as a grown man right let alone a child
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anyways the reason is is because we want to be rowdy we want to be rambunctious we want to burn
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up energy and we want to do things that are fun and enjoyable going to target is about the most
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miserable thing that you can you can do so yeah i don't know i don't see i think our
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I think our kids are more tactical than we give them credit.
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They might be better behaved while at home and while fishing.
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And they know damn well that once you're in a public setting,
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mom and dad aren't going to come down as hard on us.
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And so we're going to be a little more rowdier in a public setting than not.
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and you're in a public setting at a Walmart and they throw a fit, you leave them throwing a fit
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in the middle of the hallway and you, and you, and you deal with it then. And don't sway on
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your standards. Otherwise those little suckers will take advantage of it. That's what I think.
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Yeah, that's a good point. I hadn't considered that, but you're probably true. You know,
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what's always funny is, is women will sometimes complain about their husbands not helping out
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around the house or whatever and the one that always killed me was when they get mad at you
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for not getting as many dishes in the dishwasher as you could like you're not as efficient as
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possible and so you fill up the the dishwasher the wrong way apparently and then a woman will
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get mad at you for doing it because you didn't do it perfectly or to her standard and basically
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you're just training us to do it wrong so you'll do it which is so awesome it's like hey i'm not
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doing it right show me how to do it and then she does it you're like good and then you get to leave
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and not have to worry about doing the dishes totally yeah your kids have you had that experience
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what is it about women in the in the dishwasher what what have you had that experience not at
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all i'm i'm master dishwasher uh loader yeah i got a master's degree in that so i don't know what
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it is but it seems like women for some reason get really bothered that you got two fewer cups
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in the dishwasher than you otherwise could have it's hilarious to me yeah that's funny all right
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matt batucci uh he gave us three questions i'm gonna pick one uh you know we could go with flat
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earth have we stepped on the moon or how were the pyramids built oh let's see flat earth stepped on
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the moon i mean flat earth is probably the dumbest argument out there for sure for sure like how are
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pyramids are you questioning the moon no no i don't know we landed on the moon 100 okay how
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about how about pyramids um and that wild like when i a not aliens no but can we i don't know
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it just seems wild that they were built it seems so unpractical i i need someone to use system
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simple systems to recreate a pyramid for me to feel confident that we can pull this off if you
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have i don't i don't know how long it took to build the pyramids but if you have decades let's
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say or centuries true to build something and you have an infinite supply of slave labor that you
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don't care about it seems pretty realistic to me that that could take place over that that time
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frame but you know what's interesting so i don't know i don't i haven't studied the pyramid thing
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because it's really not that fast i mean pyramids are pretty fascinating but i don't really need to
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get hung up on how they're built but sit when you talk about simple systems or simple machines right
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you have a lever and you have a screw or plane i don't i don't know them all but you've got all
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these the six simple machines what's interesting is when i was in maine there was this big huge
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huge uh iron fireplace and it was in the barn and we needed i needed to move it and i had no idea i
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like me and the boys tried to pick it up i had other people try to help me or whatever and we
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had this guy ben this neighbor and he's one of those guys who is very handy knows how to do
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everything knows how to fix everything can figure out any problem very good neighbor to have so i
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call him up i'm like ben i gotta move this thing it's like a thousand pounds i don't know how to
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move this damn uh fireplace and he's like oh i don't know it's easy no problem i'm like okay
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easy and he comes over and he's got these he's got uh these uh i can't remember if they were pvc
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if it was pvc pipe or if it was uh like steel pipe something it was like steel pipe pvc and
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then he had this big circular cylinders yeah and so i'm like okay like what do i have to pry this
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up he's like well no the way we're gonna do it is we're actually gonna use part of this as a
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lever to lift the front up and then I'm going to slide this board and then we're going to lift
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the back up and we're going to push it onto this board. I'm like, well, that's great. What do we do
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with it once it's on the board? Now, instead of being on the floor, it's on the board. And he's
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like, well, we're going to put one of these rods under the board before we get it on there.
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So we do. And we push, we just roll the wood up onto the rod, the first one. And then as we're
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pushing, we take, there's probably five rods and we take the back rod and put it around the front
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back rod, put it around the front back rod, put it around the front. We turned it, moved it. It
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was like a feather and it was just this simple lever and a little bit of you know pushing and
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that's it so it's pretty interesting what you can do and i think that is at least one of the ideas
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of how the pyramids were built is is that way yeah so you know what's also interesting about
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you know history that that comes up when i think about you know pyramids is we always assume that
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civilization or man was dumber than we are isn't that funny we always assume that we're like we're
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the most intellectual version and it's like what are we like you're just talking about simple
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systems how many of us know those versus back then how many people knew those are we really
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smarter i don't know our intelligence is built upon framework upon framework upon framework it's
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like and we take credit for it like for instance i'm like oh well my generation we we invented the
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internet and the telephone no no i didn't someone else did i have no idea how that shit works
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am i really smarter or am i just riding the coattails of of my generation and and lumping
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myself with all of their intelligence you know yeah i mean i think i think it's hard to compare
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the type of intelligence you're talking about though right yeah like if they survived yeah
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exactly and so they were worried about staying warm and not getting eaten by a dinosaur or
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whatever right we've we've evolved past that as a species not like i have evolved because if i was
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thrust into that environment i wouldn't survive very long i might survive a little more than the
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next guy but not very long um yeah but that's a different kind of intelligence because if you take
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that person and you put them on the street today they're going to get run over by a car in two
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seconds so you know what i mean so it's hard to compare that type of intelligence but i actually
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I think you bring up a good point because having, having some basic knowledge and like Ben,
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the ability to figure things out to me is a better skillset than actually knowing the answer.
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Would you agree with that? Like being able to figure out the answer is better than actually
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knowing the answer. Absolutely. I mean, this is, yeah, I talked about this on our all call
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are all all hands meeting on Friday. Like if there's one thing I gained through a weird
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childhood, it is the ability to figure it out. And, and I think that has probably been more
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beneficial to success in my life than probably any other thing more than a college degree and
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everything else is my ability to figure it out. Well, and I think that's part of the reason why
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colleges are becoming less and less relevant is because it's turned into an institution of
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training people what to think not how to think and people say well it's always been no it hasn't
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the socratic method asking questions having debates and thoughtful dialogue challenging
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perception testing theories we don't do that in those institutions to the degree that we even did
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50 years ago, let alone 500 years ago. Everybody was questioning and curious in the Enlightenment
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era and the Renaissance era and trying to figure things out and explore the arts and figure out
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and understand the cosmos. And now it's like, just chat GPT, tell me what it is. And it's useful.
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I mean, I use chat or Claude now mostly, but I use AI every single day at this point. It's useful,
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but it has stripped our ability to figure some things out and that's unfortunate and it might
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come back to bite us in the bud if if things go south it could be really bad yeah for a lot of
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people yeah very quickly yeah i always think of this as in the space of programming right so
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software developers back in the day when you wrote a program you were riding against zeros and ones
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right a pulse of power a surge of power was a one the absence is a zero right machine language
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that's the low one of the lowest levels of programming and then once we built an operating
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system now when i developed code i wasn't developing code against a processor and memory
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i was writing code on top of an operating system and the operating system would write
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to the hardware and then microsoft would come along and say okay microsoft's going to build the
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dot net framework. Now I'm coding within the framework and the framework is, is integrated
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with the operating. And now, now my programming is five levels removed from operating directly
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with machine. Great. I'm more efficient until the things that I've developed my skill on time,
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that those frameworks, if they ever fail on me, I'm hosed. Definitely. Right. Definitely. And,
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and so that's, that's the danger is we become dependent on the frameworks that we have,
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right? Can we make a fire? Oh, most people. Absolutely. I know how to use a match, right?
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I can use a lighter. Okay. You take that framework away. Can you make a fire? All of a sudden we
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have grown men that go, um, I can't make a fire. I have no way to make a fire. Those are just,
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you know, so they're beneficial, but we also become dependent on the frameworks.
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yeah yeah yeah i mean it's even even when you think about a fire right it's like three elements
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okay so i need three elements i need i need heat i need fuel and i need oxygen okay then that's how
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you make a fire you put those things together in the right quantities in the right order and and
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you do that there's an interesting scene in martian with matt williams matt no matt williams
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what's the name matt damon why do you say matt williams matt damon um and he he's basically
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stranded on mars and he wants to figure out a way to create fire and then to create water and he's
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like all right what is water okay it's two parts hydrogen one part oxygen where can i get that from
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and so he like figures it out it's actually kind of fascinating because it explores that uh explores
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that concept there's another thing i wanted to say about the conspiracy and conspiracy thing
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because well one the moon thing is always interesting people say we never landed on the
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moon it's like do you know how many people across all countries including including our our enemies
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would need to be in on the idea that we never went to the moon like how many thousands and
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thousands of people would need to be involved in a cover-up like that so that's part of it
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and then of course the flatter thing is dumb okay so when when there's conspiracies i think
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you have to consider really two things number one what's the motive why why like the flat earth
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thing what is the motive give me a reason why we would be led to believe it has to be a reason
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globe right like yeah what would be the point of lying on a grand scale to everybody that the earth
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is a is a disc instead of a globe so there's that the motive now i can understand the space program
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because it might be money laundering which is you know something to consider the nasa program has
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been widely criticized as being a money laundering machine and maybe that's the case uh of course we
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were in a race with the soviet union and so we wanted to beat that and that builds patriotism
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and pride in the u.s and production goes up and so i can understand that so there is motive with
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that one motive and then how the complexity of the conspiracy the more people that would need
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to be involved, the less likely it's a conspiracy. So yeah, take that for what it's worth. That's
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my thought on conspiracies. I love it. All right. Alan Placer, why aren't women allowed in the iron
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council? We're the, the woman, the, the he-man woman hater club. That's why. Yes. Is that a,
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is that little rascals? The he-man woman hater club? No, no girls allowed. Yeah. I think so.
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Yeah. Yep. Um, you know, here, look, there's an actual reason above the obvious. Like this is a
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space for men to be able to have these conversations but guys you can't honestly say and i know he's
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joking and he knows why but you can't say or even make the argument and there's people who do and
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i'll give you an example of this that once a woman enters the dynamic the dynamic shifts
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it starts with men it starts turning into posturing and starts turning into beating of
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chest and it starts turning into competition it also means that because of posturing i can't be
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completely honest like i might be able to be just with you kip because of that dynamic between men
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and women so i think it's pretty obvious which is why it's a dumb question but there's a real reason
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that men need exclusively male spaces because i need to be able to talk to you in a way where we
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resonate. And a woman might come in and say, well, you guys are being jerks to each other.
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It's like, what are you talking about? You know, maybe I was giving you a hard time or busting your
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your balls about, you know, something you did or didn't do. And a woman's going to be offended by
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that. But a man's kind of laughing and he's like, yeah, yeah, you're right. As long as the trust is
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built up. So yeah. And sometimes, well, when I said people think that a lot of things should be
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co-ed that's true like think about the boy scouts women ruined boy scouts and we let it happen
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we let it happen because if if a boy said can we go to girl scouts girls would be like no
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and then we just accept it as the way but when girls say can we go to boy scouts we say oh sure
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we'll make an exception for that and it's that double standard that created a problem that ruined
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a fantastic organization instead of what what should have happened was the boy scouts of
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america should have said no there's no change there's no women here exactly or create a new
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program but no we're not changing our standard ironically they did it and and the ceo or the
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yeah the ceo of the organization is on record as saying hey we did this because our numbers were
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dwindling that's why they did that and ironically and it backfired made it worse solution to the
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problem exacerbated the problem you you don't diminish the same thing happened in the united
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states military under uh biden our recruitment numbers were atrocious and so what did we do
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well let's be more welcoming let's let's get rid of the the humble sexual
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lower the requirement let's let's make a different standard for women and let's let transgenders in
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and let's make it all inclusive and let's talk about how they can find themselves not serve a
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higher mission and a purpose and so numbers dwindled pete hegseth department of war comes in
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says no we're gonna have one standard we're gonna do it this way we're gonna improve morale by saying
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you're coming into an organization to learn how to be a contributing member of that organization
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not find yourself and this is how it's going to be run and now you can look at the stark contrast
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of recruitment numbers in a very short period of time and to be able to trans to be able to
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transfer or or change the trajectory of recruitment in the military in a matter of one and a half
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years just goes to show you that the higher the standard the better the organization will be
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maybe we see it we see it even in the iron council we have team leaders who make exceptions for guys
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who aren't pulling their weight not adhering to the standard operating procedures not being
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contributing members of their team because they're worried well if if i get get after him he'll leave
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and then the team will dwindle oh yeah well what's going to happen if you let underperformance take
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place who's going to leave the team the performers yeah and it's going to start with the performers
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because the high performance guys are like, I don't, I don't want to be in a team like this.
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Like I want to be pushed. I want to be motivated. I want to be inspired by guys who are getting
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after it. And so you're like, I'm out and they go find a different team. So standard is the way.
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Excellent. Well, and, and in the, in the subject of standard, uh, we have a preview call actually
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for the iron council men only, by the way, uh, to learn more about the preview call, uh, the
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theironcouncil.com slash preview that's may 19th at 8 p.m eastern time so we kind of pull back the
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curtains a little bit learn about the iron council once again may 19th 8 p.m to register go to the
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ironcouncil.com slash preview yes sir all right zach zamick this is funny why is carrying all
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the groceries into the house in one trip. So satisfying truth. It's just a, it's just an
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exhibitor of your capability. It's like, I can do it. I was actually, I was on the phone. This
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is kind of funny. I was on the phone with my mom yesterday cause it was mother's day. And so I
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wanted to call her and we had a good conversation and I can't remember why we got talking about it,
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but we were actually talking about space travel. I don't know how we got down that route, but we
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did and she had made the comment she's like well why why are we like going into space because i was
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talking about colonizing the moon which is part of the goal of the artemis program and she was
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asking about what why are we doing that and i said to her would you have asked the same question if
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you were sitting in the court when christopher columbus was petitioning for money from the
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spanish government and she's like no i guess with the information i have now i guess i would not
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have questioned that i'm like yeah exactly like we because we can is the answer because we can
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that's it yeah so why carry all the groceries in because you can or if you can't then you want to
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see if you can because everything with men is a competition as it should be even if you're just
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competing with yourself yeah it's a sense of accomplishment isn't that ironic that there's
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this innate desire in us to go can i do it can i be better yeah it's good thing you know ironically
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interesting maybe not ironically but interestingly enough this is one area where women are actually
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pretty good when it comes to the physical standard is to be able to carry all the groceries in with
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one thing and then it's funny she's she'll like text you and say hey can I get help with the
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groceries and you're like yeah and you put the shoes on and you go outside and she's like never
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mind I got it and it took you like 60 seconds and she already has the baby in one arm with her
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what i call her gorilla arm and she's got the rest of the groceries in one hand and she's
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bothered that it took you 60 seconds to get out there but she's getting after you're like babe
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you're fully capable you got this let me get the door for you yeah totally you know what's funny
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is i i've got a couple of friends who are chiropractors and um i some of the conversations
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i have are so random because i like talking about weird shit but they could they can actually tell
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when a woman comes in to get adjusted or to get fixed or whatever, they can tell which hand
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they held the baby with. Yeah. Because of the way their, well, their arm, but also the way that
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their hips shift, their hips and their spine shift. So it's kind of interesting. Yeah. Any
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good parent, you eventually learned that the strength of holding a kid for a long time is just
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settling them on the hip. That's, that's the secret. You learned kind of how to,
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how to holster them on your hip. Yeah. That's what you need. Like a baby holster. You just put
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the baby in. Well, they kind of have them right, but they're on the front of the, in the back,
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I guess is the same. Yeah. Maybe like a little shelf for them to sit on that's attached onto
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the side, like a strap over and it's just got like a little bench right there. And you're like,
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just sit there and be quiet. Totally. Yeah. You know, it's funny. I saw this meme. Um,
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and it's like, uh, how, you know, a mom or a dad trains jujitsu and it's, it's when they have a
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five on five gable grip when they're holding their kid. And I'm like, that is truth. That's so true.
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Yeah. So look for that. If you see five on five, you're like, ah, they train because you learned
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that's way more efficient. I have a funny, okay. So I have a question about that. So
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I don't actually know the answer to this. I mean, I do know inherently what it is,
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but it's kind of an interesting thought because when you're talking about a gable grip if you
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guys don't know what that is like put your hands opposite diagonal and just like clap right but
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you're not locking your thumb around your your fingers it's just like that um no cease but it's
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weird to me like when you're doing let's say an americana for example somebody who's never trained
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before will put their hand their thumb and their fingers entirely around the other person's wrist
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but we're trained to put like cup over it right yeah it's the proper way to do it why is that the
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case and why is a gable grip stronger than actually clasping yeah because you're not you're not
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gripping this c a c grip like this gets you so they so you're trying to control on both sides
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if you really think about a kimura grip you're gripping this so you can leverage
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you can pull it it's actually the leverage of popping the wrist up that is in the is the power
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of it not in controlling the wrist so you get more you have more leverage with all five fingers
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because you misunderstand right like people would look at and go oh you're controlling the wrist no
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no you're creating leverage against the wrist you're not trying to control the wrist it's all
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in control anyway because of your back muscles and then you pulling it in you know what i mean
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so it's really fascinating you know what the other grip is it's this that's the other one for
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oh the wrist i don't know what this is called right when you when you latch onto the side of
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the hand but well it is interesting because also you're not trying to control the wrist from coming
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in in fact if anything if you want to bring your wrist closer to me go ahead sure good yeah make
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it worse yeah yeah exactly well okay so but why the gable grip then instead of actually like
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clasping your thumbs why is that that doesn't seem well i don't know what it is it just it's
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tighter yeah yeah it's tighter i i i think you can you get better leverage with with all five
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you must be able to have more muscle yeah yeah interesting that's fascinating that is all right
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that is a funny point so either either the gable grip or cauliflower ear just stay away from people
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yeah yeah just watch those two groups yeah um will pinnell what is your guilty pleasure movie
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and or song oh um what's a guilty pleasure movie like a movie that you'd watch over and over
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i mean it would be easy for me to give like real answers like real answers would be like
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oh braveheart it's like okay you know or or something by guns and roses like welcome to
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the jungle maybe but i don't really consider that a guilty pleasure because isn't that what every guy
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likes you know or metallica or something like that but um as far as songs go i don't i don't
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listen to a lot of music so there's not something like some secret song i have hidden by like taylor
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swift that i don't want anybody to know about but i will say this okay i'll give in the spirit of
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having a little fun today i'm gonna give you two chick flicks that i actually like that's fun okay
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all right so two chick flicks um i'm a little hesitant to say this because i might lose my
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man card but i actually like these two movies so here it is number one is the holiday that one is
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with uh what's her name the titanic woman what's what's her name kate winslet and cameron diaz
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and jude law so the holiday are you taking notes you're you're literally taking notes right now
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i'm not recording well i'm trying to figure out the movie that i like okay you do that so the
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holiday is one and the other one is love actually and that's also a holiday movie but those are
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those are two chick flicks that i i could actually sit and watch so there you go a little bit about
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me that you didn't know before love actually actually came to my mind what's the other one
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with the guy from the office and his wife divorces him and he hires like a dating coach
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yeah with uh ryan gosling yes freaking hilarious i love that movie that is good ryan gosling steve
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corral crazy stupid love yes i i i would watch that movie over and over again yeah and i don't
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think that's really a chick flick but that's a good that's a funny movie that's a good movie
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it's funny yeah for sure yeah you know yeah good no keep going okay if you got something else um
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no no i don't i mean i was gonna it's fun covering the the chick flicks so that's we'll leave it as
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that you know the i was gonna say the older i get the less i care about looking cool i'm like yeah
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i like that yeah i like that i'm not supposed to like that but i do i'm not supposed to do that
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but i do and you know i don't care there's there's some power in just becoming an old grumpy man where
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you're like i don't care i don't care about people's feelings i don't care about you know
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like what people are complaining about that that's why clint eastwood is just just kind of my spirit
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animal like he doesn't give a shit totally about anyone or anything like yep we all kind of like
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that mentality and you get away with it as you get older and so i'm looking forward i'm looking
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forward to be a grumpy old man that says things that i shouldn't say just so i can take advantage
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of it i mean i've already started doing things like when i drop my daughter off sometimes at
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at the high school because she she's homeschooled and she goes to public school at the same time so
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we have this crazy schedule and sometimes I have to drop her off when school's already started.
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So there's people around, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I'll drop her off and I'll roll down
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the window. I'd be like, I love you. Choose the right. Jesus loves you. You know what I mean?
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Just try to embarrass her. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's fun. Yeah. It's fun.
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Yeah. All right. I like stuff like that, man. It's yeah. But being a grumpy old, old man and
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what's funny about old old men and women too is they are so racist and it's i'm sorry it's
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hilarious to me like the things they say i'm like grandma you can't say that anymore i won't even
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repeat what my grandparents and grandmas and grandpas said and they're like what what's wrong
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with that i'm like oh my goodness they don't even know it's it's hilarious to me anyways yeah yeah
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my grandpa, he was, he was in that category. Yeah. All right. Mike and Darfur, you never hear
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a woman say, hold my beer and watch this yet. I suspect every guy has life experience with this
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phrase. Why? Oh, I think it goes back to the competent. I think it's just like, it's goes
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back to the competition. It's like, Oh, fun. Right. You jump. Yeah. It's like you jumped over
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that fence cool you jump i could i could jump twice as high over that fence like hold this watch
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and then you know we fall on our face and do something dumb and i was talking with a friend
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i won't disclose who it is but he'll probably be listening to this and he said that he threw
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his back out i'm like how'd you throw your back out he's like putting my socks on and it's like
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i get speaking of getting older like i was i was walking the other day i got up in the morning and
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i was kind of hobbling around a little my son's like what happened what'd you do i'm like i slept
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like that's literally all i did i just slept and my i woke up my back hurt so it's like what is
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happening here but no i think okay so but the real question is do women have the equivalent
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i think they do yeah is it dangerous though or is it the equivalent of like
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not dangerous, but courageous or no, it's, it's usually like it has, I think with women,
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it has more to do with beauty than for men. It has more to do with utility. So for example,
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if I see you in a cool shirt, I'm not going to come out tomorrow and wear like a cooler shirt.
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Cause I don't care. But if I see you do something cool, like jump over that fence, I'm like, well,
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let me see if i can jump higher or further and that's utilitarian for men good point but for
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women i think it's more because that's what we that's what that's why we're valued right men
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are valued in circles of men and circles of women for being utilitarian so we naturally gravitate
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towards something that's going to show some sort of capacity but i think women are generally more
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valued for what beauty and vitality right yeah good so their competition revolves around
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think about makeup why do women wear makeup so they look better than the other woman
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why do they wear bras push-up bras padded bras so they look more voluptuous than the other woman
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and then they'll see a woman in a dress and they're like she looks horrible in that dress
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and then they're wearing the neck the same dress the next week to church and it's like see i can
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pull it off so i think women do the same thing it's just built on what they're valued for and i
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know that strip that's a little bit yeah i mean socially valued for let's say it that way maybe
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i mean you understand what like people i like there's always going to be people who are going
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to be like women aren't just valued for beauty i'm not saying that but i'm saying that in
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human evolution we look at women for vitality and and youth and the ability to to rear children and
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and, and everybody looks at men as the protectors and the utility utilitarians. It's just, it is
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what it is. Like you can cry about it or just accept it. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I was sharing
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this story. I don't know why. Well, I shared it at the main event. You know, it's like, I remember
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as a kid being in the back of the farm and we're like building ramps and we're like, let's clear
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this ramp. And before you know it, it's like, let's put shingles with nails pushed through it
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between the two ramps so that way if you don't make it you die you know it's like i have no idea
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why we would do that right but you know just boys are crazy yeah we are man it's that's and it never
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goes away right it never goes away i mean yeah i was at when i was telling you this weekend that
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the pll it's kind of funny it's a rowdy crowd i would say it's different than kind of like soccer
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a little bit more like soccer although i haven't seen the level of vitriol towards the opposing
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team in it but like um in hostility so it gets a little rowdy but if you ever go to like a soccer
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game you run the risk of being murdered just because the other team beat your team like
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that sounds crazy but it's true and you got to think or at least getting into a fight and if
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there's alcohol involved even more so so now you get a bunch of rowdy men who are very competitive
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by nature they probably played sports to some degree when they were growing up you get them
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filled with a bunch of alcohol and you get them to to wear jerseys to signify what part of the
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tribe or what tribe they're in and then you say hey let's be civil about this like come on like
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how is that gonna work but it's pretty wild tribalism is a crazy thing that's funny all
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right jay lowry what is the proper way for a man to shake a woman's hand limp wrist style or firm
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oh firm for sure well it depends if if you want her to be your friend you might go limp
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if you want to play the gay card i mean that's true yeah if if you want her to be a significant
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another yeah there is the that is true and there is the there is always that one guy who plays
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plays soft in order to get the girl i'm like dude that's not gonna work you're not gonna get laid
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like she's yeah i don't know man i've heard i've heard crazy statistics i i've heard i don't know
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this is we're going off the reservation here but i i've heard gay guys probably get more play with
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their friends that are girls than straight guys do that i've actually heard that but i don't know
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if that's true I don't know man I don't I don't know women let us know yeah I mean I'd be curious
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now but not curious like that way I'm not saying that but oh what do you mean what do you mean
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curious like how curious um no firm of course firm right and I've actually had I've had don't
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break her hand hold out her hand like this and like to like give her your fingers have you ever
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had this happen no where they like kiss her hand no not kiss to like shake her hand but like
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almost like a pincher claw like like not a handshake but she'll like go like this and kind of
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and i actually move her hand and like shake her hand and i'll and and in one case in particular
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i'm like that's weird and i actually grabbed her hand and shook it like you're really supposed to
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shake a person's hand. So some, sometimes you'll have a woman who's like, and I don't know if
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she's trying to be feminine or delicate or she's just weird, but no shake her hand firmly. And
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don't, by the way, do the same thing with men. You should apply the same pressure in your handshake
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to women as you do men. And so if I come up to you and I shake your hand, but I try to crush your
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hand, I immediately think less of you immediately. Yeah. I'm like, what is this guy trying to prove?
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like this hot head like what is this a comp this is a competition how strong you can shake my hand
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what are you doing so true so just give give a man and a woman the same firmness of a handshake
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and i had a guy one time this is crazy i can't even remember who it was it was a pretty
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notable author and i was at an event and he spoke and he did a nice job as far as i remember
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and then i saw him out in the foyer of the the conference center or something where we were
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and i went up to him like hey i really enjoyed your presentation and i went to extend my hand
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as a normal human being does and he like like put his finger like his finger in my palm and i'm like
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what do you want me to shake what are we fuck are we doing here and i'm like
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like i was like i don't even know how i responded but i was probably like
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oh like what and he's like thanks and then he walked off i'm like that's weird that was weird
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yeah so don't ruin a first impression by having a bad handshake and then and then i'll here's a
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great story for judgment. So we, we had a neighborhood, um, we invite some neighbors over
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for like lunch or something. And, um, husband and wife are there. I'm meeting them for the first
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time. I meet his wife. I'm like, Hey, nice to meet you. I'm so-and-so right. And back and forth,
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I go up to the husband and I say, Hey, my name's Kip Sorensen. He goes, Oh, hi, my name is so,
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it's so-and-so and i put my hand out and he just stands there
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like he doesn't put his hand out to shake my hand and he's like yeah i literally put my hand out
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and he goes nice to meet you and he didn't extend his hand in me and i was like what a dick like i
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was instantly like dude what a punk like so much i was kind of like fired up about it i was like
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who in the hell is this guy totally super funny a couple weeks later we see them and we're going
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trick-or-treating and he's holding on his wife's shoulder he's blind he's blind yep you tried to
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give a blind man a handshake and then he thought he was a dick because he didn't shake your hand
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back totally and i was like that guy's an asshole and he's just totally blind now he wasn't 100
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blind right a lot of people don't realize this like legally blind they may not see like
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you know the bottom portion of their vision's missing so you just didn't see my hand right
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but it was so funny because i had i had such this harsh judgment towards this guy i'm like i hate
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that guy and uh no he's just blind that's funny um it you probably thought when he put his hand
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on his wife's shoulder you're like that guy's being led around like a little puppy dog you're
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still judging him well i my oldest son is blind right and i immediately knew i was like oh my
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gosh i'm like seriously kids like i should know better oh my god super funny there's there's a
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video ryan seacrest he's like hosting a competition or something and it's i can't remember but it's a
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blind person singing and they do a great job and he knows they're blind and he goes up and says
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hey great job and he goes like this to give him a high five it's so funny well my kids do that to
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my oldest oldest son all the time they're like just mess with them like because or the whisper
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they'll be like oh that's mean you look like an idiot but he's he's partially deaf too so he can't
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hear her so everyone just like tease at him but it's fun like he's good about it hey he's good
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about it yeah you got to deal with it man it's like you have to you got to have to laugh at the
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circumstance sometimes you know it helps make it a little bit better but it's the only way to get
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through life sometimes all right i have another question and i know you got a jet but this this
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this came to mind um when is it appropriate and what is the best way to give a woman a hug let's
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say it's not even like and you're not interested romantically so maybe it's a friend's wife maybe
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it's somebody you just met at maybe at a business conference what when do you think it's appropriate
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for a hug and what does that hug actually look like dude i mean the minute you go into corporate
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america this gets all sideways right but outside of the workplace i mean if you ask my wife and her
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family you hug everybody even if you just met them right she's like yeah for sure they hug and kiss
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everybody right and and it's interesting let me say it this way anyone that's slightly offended
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by hugs get out of america and you'll realize that this is just a cultural phenomenon and it's just
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different and you go to a different country not only are you getting hugged you're getting kissed
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by everybody too while you're at it like and it's just different you know what i mean and we're way
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too sensitive it's like someone hugs someone and it's like that's inappropriate it's like come on
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you know i i think we i mean it could be yeah i think we've swung it there could be a certain
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hand placement or a little lingering that isn't welcome or it could be yeah yeah yeah for sure
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fair enough but for me i mean being in in the corporate america space right like i'd stay away
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from hugs almost always from a corporate setting unless i have a really strong relationship with
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the person right like we are friends outside the workplace like let me say it this way our
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relationship is more important than the job at that point for sure but before then it's it's not worth
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the risk yeah i agree yeah well i think so asia kisses people on the cheek right absolutely yeah
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okay well so it's not just me then i was like i don't know if i should tell no no it wasn't just
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you that she was kissing no trust me she's kissing all the guys well she i remember the first she
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gave me a hug and she kissed me on the cheek and i'm like oh thank you yeah like that was well and
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it was fine coming from her but i was like surprised a little bit and it's it's a combination
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of hawaii right hawaiian but her her grandma's french oh yeah so so that's a common when i met
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her grandma she's giving me double kisses we go to france and meet her cousins right like
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so it's a combination of the two that's very both of those cultures are very affectionate physically
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you know i think so with the with the woman thing again if it's not like a romantic interest i think
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the best thing to do is if you feel like a hug might be appropriate but you don't know
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is turn at a 45 degree angle yeah extend your arm like and let her come into it and if she doesn't
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you know you might just put your hand on her shoulder and say nice to meet you and that's it
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but if you extend your arm and she comes in and your arm in this situation goes on top
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not underneath keep it on top yeah and over the shoulder and watch out for the shoulder
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check to the face i've actually done that on accident a couple times
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take this don't ever try to hug me again conor mcgregor
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oh that was crazy that conor mcgregor to uh cowboy serroney man dude it messed him up a
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little bit i think it may damage yeah shoulder checks like four or five of them in a row anyways
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all right brother i know you've got to go on time guys i hope that was just a little bit of fun a
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little more light-hearted hopefully we gave you actually i think there was some answers that were
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worth some good deep discussion but hopefully it's a little more light-hearted today we'll do
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some fun stuff in the future uh we're gonna do one we're gonna give you wrong answers only and
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then we're gonna see if you can determine which is the right and the wrong answer or you know
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what would be funny is like one true uh two truths and a lie so when we answer it we give
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like two things that are accurate accurate information and then one where you're like
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wait do i should i do that but we'll make it really hard to know just to confuse everybody
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i love it all right guys so real quick y'all i'll go ahead kip well i just want to call it that
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preview call may 19th right so may 19th 8 p.m eastern time the iron council.com slash preview
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if you guys want to join us there. You know, one of the things I was going to say about that real
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quickly is a lot of the times when we talk about the iron council, we talk about the benefit to
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you of having brothers in your corner and accountability and systems and just having
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men to converse with and lean on and, and, and push and inspire. And, and all of that is really
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good. It's important. But one of the things that I think is often understated is the value of
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having men that you can just laugh with and banter with and make fun of in a in a respectful way
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um and just lighten things up a little because the load of life is can be quite unbearable at times
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depending on what you're going through and if you have guys in your corner who are always cheering
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you on and celebrating or not at all you know that that's good if you have people in your corner
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who can do that but man how cool is it to find like find a friend who you can actually like like
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the other day i sent you a message and i was like you remember this text i sent you and i said
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hey kip like i really appreciate you coming out to the event it was awesome to have you there
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there's i said i think i said there's five people i really trust in this world you're the six and
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you almost made the cut and it's like to be able to have like people that you know love and care
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about you but you can joke around with is part of i think what makes life really good and you'll
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find a lot of that totally also inside the iron council so check it out um the iron council.com
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slash preview all right kip appreciate you man thanks for uh compiling the questions today guys
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thanks for the questions you offered we've got more so we'll we'll dig through those and we'll
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keep going we will also be back on friday until then go out there take action and become the man
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