The Power of Thinking Big ｜ PETE ROBERTS & BRIAN LITTLEFIELD
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1 hour and 8 minutes
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180.88826
Summary
In this episode, we sit down with the founders of Origin and talk about their new studio in Maine. We talk about the importance of thinking big and how important it is to have a plan for the future. We also talk about some of the things we are looking forward to in the future and what we are excited about.
Transcript
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.
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When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.
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This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.
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At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.
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What's up guys? Glad to be sitting in this brand new studio here.
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First day. Second podcast. I wish I was the first though.
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We wouldn't have been able to do it this morning.
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Because we literally finished drilling the holes, I don't know, like 10 minutes before we recorded.
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And we're going to have the video available so the guys can watch it too and see your guys' studio.
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This ties into what I want to talk with you guys about, which is thinking big.
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Because I was just telling you, I think a lot of people are playing safe.
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You know, what's the bare minimum I can do to barely get by?
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And my limited interaction just in the past, what, four or five days of being here in Maine,
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I would say you guys are the antithesis of that.
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And we're going to be able to do a lot of things together as we think really big.
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It's funny because a lot of people asked me if I was coming up here to work with you guys.
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But yeah, on Instagram, I think I put a post and I said, hey, now that I'm here, I can let
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And then the next post, I was like, there's no secret.
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But to say that you guys with origin and everything you're doing didn't play a factor wouldn't be
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I mean, the truth is, is that there is a lot of synergy and there's a lot of that I admire
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and respect about you guys, which is why I got introduced to being out here in the
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first place, but definitely a factor for us being out here.
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Well, I'm looking forward to spending time with your wife and your kids.
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We were walking through a store the other night and they're like, swing me up, swing me
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And I'm like, yeah, I actually got a little shoulder sore.
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I'm also looking forward to going through that massive barn and discovering some of
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I knew you were going to be excited about that.
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He just got, he sent me a video of something he found and I can only imagine what it actually
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You know, cause I haven't seen it in person yet.
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I think it was the original kind of patterns and materials Lou Hayden used to build San
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I think there's some newer stuff in there, but I think there's some older stuff in there
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So we'll, we'll, we'll root through there a little bit.
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Well, like I said, I wanted to talk to you guys about thinking big.
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Um, because like I see the studio, uh, we've had a lot of conversations over the past several
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days about what you guys are doing and some of the, uh, projects that you have going
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Walk me through your mindset, uh, about where this, where this comes from, because I, I imagine
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it, well, it's not, it's not normal is not the right word necessarily, but it's not typical.
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So where does this mindset of thinking big come from for you guys?
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Man, it's for me, it's very easy and super organic.
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You have a new home down the road, a few miles and a bunch of acreage, maybe 40 or 50 acres.
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As you walk through your property, you're going to see the stone walls in the woods.
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Pick one up and then look at all of them and think about how they did that without anything.
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Like this finger right here, that, that was crushed moving a stone wall.
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Oh, I have a constant reminder because it gets cold when, when it's just, you know, mild
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outside, there's no nerve damage and everything.
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I've moved a stone wall as a kid, as a 15 year old.
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And I know what it's like to move a stone wall, but you think about how they built the
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fields, cleared the fields, the size of the trees that must've been here in Maine to those
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And I think about how easy we've got it, how connected we are with technology, you know,
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and, and, and just you, you can get anything you want at your fingertips.
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Because every time I see somebody doing this, that means they have tunnel vision, right?
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This is just a tool, not reality, but, but people are so fixated on what's going on.
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If you can detach yourself, look at the stone wall, not through this, but in person and pick
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up that rock, you'll understand what we're trying to do.
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I mean, I think, well, like going back to what we were saying before is that it is, we live
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in this world where it's just so easy to get anything, to have anything, to do anything.
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And then we look through this really weird filter of other people's lives and it's not
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So how do you see this then tying into, you know, the, the, the reality of what you're
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creating and then using this technology and the stories that you're really, really good
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So this also allows the best storytelling we've ever had.
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Cause it's just, and if you take the filter off and that's what, that's what we're trying
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Like we're not going to pull out the stuff that is hard, you know, like that's the stuff
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The stuff that's hard is what makes, makes this place and makes these ideas authentic.
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Where, where other people would say, Oh, you guys are crazy.
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We just did a podcast and we were talking about the canals in Lewiston, Maine.
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Well, I bet if you stripped out all the granite from those canals, you could build a fourth
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Like if, if, if they could do that with limited resources, imagine what you can do with all
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Uh, I can't remember his name who built this, who built the studio, Dustin Brophy, Dustin.
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We were downstairs talking while you guys were podcasting and he was talking about, I think
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he was taking a barn down and he was saying the same thing.
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So he's taking pins out and he's like, you couldn't even slip a piece of paper through
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And you think about hand tools and the time and the hours and the dedication and the
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refining and the precision that went into that with the limited tools that they had
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And, and you know, it's great, Dustin, he did build, he built our first factory too.
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He's the one that designed and built that factory.
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All the green lumber, which is 10 times heavier than dried lumber.
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Actually, his dad was in case on Vietnam and you know why he doesn't hunt?
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But because he had to hunt for food when he was a kid.
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So he, he grew up a little harder, so he doesn't find a lot of enjoyment in it.
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But, you know, I think that, you know, is that good or bad?
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You know, like when you get like one of your kid, your oldest, right?
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Imagine setting him out 12 years old saying, we need food, go get something, go get a deer.
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And I think to think big, I think that there has to be, maybe, maybe there doesn't have
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to be, I don't want to, I don't want to make a statement that, that kind of covers this
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thing, but there has to be a defining moment for me to think big.
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You know, you gotta, you gotta have that defined.
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Some of them I'm open to sharing and some of them not, but when it comes right down to
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it, in life, you know, I think once we get out of the, you know, the local, you know,
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the high school and you, you get into your life, you will have defining moments.
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And I believe it's how you use those defining moments.
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Do you become a victim to the moments or do you use the moments as fuel, right?
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Because if you do, and if you choose, and it's a choice, you know what I mean?
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We talk about, you can play all the frigging mental gymnastics you want to, but you're not,
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Cause you know, you know, you know, you know, and if you can face that, you know, and, and
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use it as fuel, I think that is the greatest pill that is the limitless pill.
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Do you think what, and you kind of alluded to this, do you think it has to be some defining
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Because in my experience, what I've seen is a lot of men go through something catastrophic
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like a divorce or a major medical battle or a bankruptcy or a job loss, something catastrophic
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that wakes them up, finding moments, but do we have to wait?
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Does, is that a, is that a necessary step to thinking big, thinking outside of the box,
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I mean, in my opinion, the thing is, is there's a lot of defining moments in life.
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We've just been so comfortable at, you know, disregarding them.
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There's a lot of things that can craft us in life.
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There's a lot of things that I look back at now that slowly crafted me to be,
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who I am, but I didn't recognize those in the moment.
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Some of them could have been life-changing and in, because they were not, they put me
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But if you just sit back and you wait for that defining moment to, to take that path,
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of course, that's not the right course of action, but usually there's something happening
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We, we live on this, this planet that is basically constantly trying to kill us, right?
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And we've evolved to be more safe and comfortable over generations and generations, but it's
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I mean, we're in Maine right now and the ticks are migrating North and this is a new thing
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And they carry a disease that can literally change your life.
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And if you don't recognize these defining moments and you just brush them off, then, then you
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And certain defining moments I agree with Pete have helped craft me for who I am today.
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What do you, what do you think separates those who have, cause we all have what could potentially
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And maybe they're by default defining maybe in a negative connotation as well.
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So what do you think separates somebody who takes a moment like that and decides to use
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it as a tool for growth versus self-destruction?
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For me, I could see the lack of any, like a support system, you know, would be very difficult
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for someone like just straight up lack of support system.
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Like for me, I had, I always had my wife, you know, since we were kids, since we were
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And I say, well, if my glass was a little too full, she'll dump it out.
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But if it's a little empty, she'll pour some in, you know?
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And that's a, that's a good metaphor for, for our relationship.
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It's a, it's a parent, it's a friend, you know?
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And some people, they're just straight up solo and they're just trying to prove something.
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You know, maybe, maybe their, their parent was an alcoholic and they want to be the opposite.
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I mean, people go through crazy things, you know?
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I mean, we were talking last night and my mom was telling me, we took a trip for lacrosse.
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And my mom was telling me, Keegan was saying, oh, some of my friends, they're, they're living
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My mom said, well, when I was the counselor here 20 years ago, she said 5% of those kids
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I mean, we didn't have a whole lot growing up, but homeless?
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Well, that could be the fuel for someone, you know?
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And I don't know, Ryan, what, what the, the secret sauce is to make someone want to think
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I do think there are, like Brian said, instances and, and if, and you can replace those pains
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with like substance abuse, let's say you can like replace things to make you feel good.
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You can, you can use, you know, whatever you want to use addictions to replace or you can
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reflect on them, you know, you can reflect on them and, and sort through those, that,
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that puzzle and, and come in and make up your own secret sauce, you know?
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And I think that, I think it really comes down to the individual and, and what, what type
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of mental gymnastics they're playing in their head.
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Are we going to play gymnastics or are we going to face the facts?
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Well, you, as, as you're talking, it's got me thinking about how you can choose to, well,
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self, self-medicate or get addicted or channel that energy or frustration.
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However, it's manifesting itself towards destructive patterns and habits or something that is
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productive, like business for me, podcasting, jujitsu, I mean, archery, hunting, whatever
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it is, you're, it's not like you're eliminating that energy.
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You're just directing it where it needs to go so that it can be.
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And it's like, I tell my boys, my oldest in particular, it's like, you don't need to
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Like you can take that energy that, that, that makes you want to break things and channel
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it towards being constructive, towards building.
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And, and, and he's going to have a lot of opportunity to do that.
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Speaking of thinking big, that's a big house and a lot of property.
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I'm like, oh boy, I got the zero turnout the other day, which made lawn mowing fun.
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Dude, I should charge people to come over and mow my lawn.
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And my son was out there on the tractor and he's like, this is cool, dad.
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I had a friend who decided once when we were kids, he lived through the woods up, maybe like
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There wasn't any trails, so he decided he was going, this is Dan, he was going to take
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The tractor ended up halfway into the woods buried.
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And your kids will be able to experience the same thing.
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And it's one of those things you got to like, let them do it.
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I just told him, stay away from buildings and stay away from my vehicles.
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Well, for now, I mean, we've never had a tractor or anything.
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I mean, we've had side-by-sides and things like that they brought around on, so they're
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But Brian, you brought up something interesting.
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You said, we live in a world that's trying to kill us, right?
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And what was interesting about that is I was talking with Lee Ireland, and he was talking
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And he said, at one point, we had all of this cleared out, and it was significantly more
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And he says, if you don't manage it, nature will take it back.
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And if you don't, it's not going to take very long for her to reclaim what was once hers.
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The state of Maine was all fields at one point.
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And now it's the most forested state in the U.S.
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I mean, one place we'll have to go, we'll have to go up to the Allagash.
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And it's, you know, it's like taking, well, as you know, you come to Maine, you come to
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Western Maine, it's people like, you know, the middle of nowhere, boondocks or whatever.
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The next step is, is you going to the Allagash.
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You get to essentially a toll road, which becomes a dirt logging road.
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And then you drive five more hours further into nothing.
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My, my family, the, the men in my family go annually.
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And last year or the year before, I want to say it was the year before my brother went
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in and he wasn't feeling so great and they had to, they basically had to carry him out.
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He had a blood clot in his, up, up on his upper leg near his groin and his whole
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It just happened to, to, to go from a painful leg to, I can't really use my leg.
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And I mean, literally in the middle of nowhere, there's no cell service.
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They were on the, the lake where there's just, there's nobody.
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So you've got to go in and you drive all the way up there.
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Well, you're talking, I'm going to pull it up here.
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Oh, you just want an excuse to use the, I do the TV, the, the Allagash wilderness waterway,
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You can do the waterway, which is you, you kind of put in up here and then you go downward.
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And then what we would do is we would go up to a pond and you'd have to carry your canoe.
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I don't know, a couple hundred yards through the woods and all your gear and put in, in
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this pond canoe across the pond, there's an outlet.
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And then you would go down that outlet about five miles to actually about three miles.
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That's a little bit, I mean, this outlet, there's points where you've got to get out,
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but drag your canoe and then you hit the stream and you go downstream for a few more miles
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and then you get to Allagash Lake and there's no other way to really get to Allagash Lake.
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There's a, there's a pathway that you can do it.
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And I think it's, I want to say two miles in, you've got to carry your canoe and your
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We normally we do the last, the last few years have been the same week as the immersion.
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So I've had to prioritize the, uh, the immersion camp.
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But it's, it's truly an awakening experience being out there.
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I mean, we, I did the first time I ever came to the Northeast was and spent any amount of
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time here, I should say was for the Spartan Agogi, which is in Vermont.
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And so that's by yourself or with, well, with a, with a team, we had eight to 10 people,
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depending on how many guys stuck around and how many did, I think we started without knowing
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And I think we got down to 80 or so, maybe, maybe 90.
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And so it sounds similar to what you're talking about is like the woods and being in the river.
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Let me ask you this when it comes, or did you want to show something here?
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This is the, this is the Allagash just so you can get a visual on it.
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And then somebody has to drive your vehicle back down.
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So that's if you want to do the waterway, which is the waterway, which is what you'd want
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Cause you, once you start, there's no coming back.
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No, you camp each day at a different site going down.
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And you have to, what do they call it when you pick your canoe out of the water and walk
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through, like hike through whatever they call it.
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So how do you, when, when we're talking about doing big things, things like this, right?
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Or things within your business, even, um, you're taking risks, right?
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I know you're looking at me like you think it differently than risks.
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Like, well, let me ask you, like, what scares you in life?
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You know, I think a lot about personally for me, just blending in, right?
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That's something that I'm not interested in doing.
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Um, I'm scared of not being the best father that I can be for my kids.
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I mean, I'm not worried about food or a roof over our head or think bigger.
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I mean, are you scared of, or what would put you on?
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What would, what would severely put you on your heels?
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The only thing I could think of that would put me on my heels is some debilitating medical condition.
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And not being able to provide for your family or not having your significant other or, or that, again, we go back to that support system, a healthy support system, whether it's physically healthy or emotionally healthy to support the dream.
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If you have those things, why aren't you unstoppable?
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You've got limited time, you know, limited time.
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And we've got a solid 40 years to, to do something epic, you know, because you're, you're not really doing anything until you're 20.
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And at 60, you're trying to enjoy what you've been part of.
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And so those four decades of opportunity, why not?
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Like I look at this one as I'm in my second decade of opportunity.
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Man, I hope this is my next three decades of opportunity.
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We're a friend now that you introduced me to camp.
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He said in a text message, he said, the last 20 years at Under Armour, I've lived 10 lifetimes.
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That's someone who's definitely getting after it, but there's risk in everything, you know, and people use this as a cliche thing.
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Well, you know, flying is safer than driving, you know.
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I don't talk yourself into things or out of things, I guess.
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If you've got an idea what happens after that and you're comfortable with that, well, then what do you have to really lose?
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I mean, I've experienced this a lot because people have asked me, why are you coming out here?
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Like, worst case scenario, we get out here, we spend a couple of years, we don't enjoy it.
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Like, to me, I hear it, I'm like, well, what's your problem?
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Like, you're going to die and you're not going to have done anything.
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And you're going to have to look back on the past 40, 50, 60, 70 years and say a bunch of times, remember when we could have done this and I wanted to do this and I wanted to do that and you didn't do any of it because you were afraid or talking yourself out of it the whole time?
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The real loss is not having done it or at least not having tried it.
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And that stuck with me hearing that as a kid, you know, we could have done this or we should have, you know, like, okay, I'm thinking like, well, why, why not?
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The only thing that you really can't get back, you know, is, is your health.
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I mean, those are the things you can't get back.
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So as long as you're living a healthy lifestyle, you're making the right decisions and you're doing the things that you should be doing, then you shouldn't be afraid to, to take risk as we, as we mentioned, you know, I wonder if it's a, a product of, or at least a part of the equation of, we talk about possessions, for example, not you, you could lose possessions.
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I wonder if you're more likely to take, we'll just, we'll dub it risks because that's the term people know.
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If you have been in that position before, like I've, I've been broke before.
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I remember talking with one of my friends, Noah, you know, Noah Pillsbury.
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Um, and he said to me once he had a big contracting company, he sold it, made a bunch of money, got divorced, lost all the money.
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And he came up and I think it was one of his downtimes where he was actually working for somebody trying to figure out what to do with life.
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And he said, Hey, once you know how to, how to make money, you always do.
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So I'm just trying to get my life together first before I go tackle it again.
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And he came up recently and his company now is, you know, revenues back up to $10 million a year.
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Of course, you know, he just like, you got to get you right.
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And I think that if you're, if you're not right, you know, like if you're not mentally, even physically, but if you're not emotionally there, well, then it is a risk.
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But if you are emotionally there, well, then it's a calculated risk.
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You're going to have hurdles, speed bumps, a wall to climb.
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It matters how many times you want to scrape yourself back up and keep going.
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I mean, we talked about this a couple of days ago with the boots and the jeans and there's a billion other things that you could choose to pursue.
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Why, why choose these things over something else?
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I mean, what gives you chills and get your blood flowing?
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If you're, it doesn't matter how motivated you are or how, how skilled you are.
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If you're not passionate about what you're doing, you're not going to be as good as you could be doing something that you're passionate about.
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And America is the greatest place to express that passion because there's job, there's, I mean, you can literally do anything, you know, and you've got people who probably listen to podcasts.
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That's why I work at, you know, I work at this sucky job and, you know, I'm stocking in middle management and I make a pretty good wage and I've got a wife and kids at home and I don't want to, you know, sacrifice their well-being and the things they have and the things I provided and this and that.
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But don't tell me you couldn't also do something else.
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I mean, I get that a lot, even with a podcast, because I've been doing this for just over four years.
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And a lot of people reach out, hey, I want to start something similar.
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I want to do something similar to what you're doing.
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You find the time and you sleep less and you make it work.
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And I think it's because of that tunnel vision.
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And because they don't have face-to-face personal interaction with that individual.
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I know to some degree, some of the struggles that you've been through personally and professionally
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But if I'm just following you on Instagram, I don't know any of that stuff.
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All I see is you guys have the Midas touch, right?
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But if all I see on social media is all the highlights, well, I think, well, what the hell's
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Everything these guys do turns to gold and everything I do falls apart.
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That's because we don't have face-to-face interaction.
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And we don't see other individuals in the trenches and the years and years of effort and
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toil and setbacks and failures that got them to the point they are right now.
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And everybody that's had success has paid the price.
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I think a lot of people don't want to pay the price.
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You know, I think that's key to this conversation is thinking big.
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Well, it's not that you're thinking small, wanting to support your family and support that
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That is actually, you're actually sacrificing maybe some things you want to do in your passions
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You know, and I don't want to like say that's not a good thing to do.
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I try to make every sporting event, but I'm going to miss one or two every year.
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I have sacrificed events and in finding that balance, you know, has been difficult.
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You know, most people don't want to do that, but it is within everyone.
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Because we're no different than the first ones we're talking about.
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Yeah, but of the first ones, there were those who just wanted to get by as well.
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They didn't have the option to just get by when we were building the foundations of the country.
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Like you did everything that this country needed in the industrial revolution, whether you were a farmer or a factory worker, whatever you were, you didn't have a choice.
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So was that a byproduct of their ancestors who came before, who ingrained that into them that, hey, we fight, we toil, we labor?
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I'm not going to this new place on this new adventure.
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Well, I mean, at some point, at some point in life, at least once in your life, some type of survival mechanism is going to kick into your brain.
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I don't know what it really, what is it, what chemical that gets released?
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You're either going to run or you're going to die.
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You're going to have the stress, like cortisol and things like that.
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So everyone is going to be put into that category at some point in their life.
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I know there's plenty of people, like, who can't, you know, they have the slightest
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They're trying to get the same type of release.
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They're trying to get that release through activity.
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What's the balance, though, between, so I think human nature is probably to find better,
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more efficient, effective ways of doing things.
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And so that's, like, a level of comfort and complacency, right?
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Yeah, I'm going to look for an efficient way to do it, but I'm going to go above and
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And I think that instinctually we do seek comfort.
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Like, we seek to innovate and drive technology to make things easier, more comfortable.
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I can put on my iWatch and I can look at this podcast.
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We have to cut this table a certain size so we could rest our arms on it.
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You know, more comfortable, more natural like this.
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We talked about, you know, we talked about wash off the comfort.
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There was a point where I think it was last year, probably middle towards the third quarter
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I talked about it on our podcast and I said, I kind of woke up one day and I was like,
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And I stopped myself and I was like, whoa, what this is, that's not cool.
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Like that's, it's, and you know, and I said, wash off the, I felt like I needed to wash
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And it's because there's no growth in the comfort zone.
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If you're comfortable as a company, you're not moving forward.
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I think where most people come from is they think to themselves, well, I don't want to
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rock the boat because I don't want to fall out of the boat.
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But what they don't realize is that if they stay on the boat, it's going towards a waterfall
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and they're about to fall over that, that ledge.
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It's like, maybe this route's not the best right now.
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Women, and I guess men too, who stay in abusive relationships.
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And yet they go back into that situation again and again and again.
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Because the fear of the unknown is greater than the pain of what they're currently experiencing.
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Because we have helped folks, women in our factory who have been in those relationships
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And a big part of it is control, is feeling like you're not someone without, let's say,
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You don't feel like you're there intellectually.
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And it goes right back to my original statement.
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For me, it's having some type of support system.
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When you, you know, you ever heard the phrase, the right words can convince kings?
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Like when you're helping someone, the right words you can see trigger that person.
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And again, I'm talking about the, I was saying adrenaline or whatever it is.
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But you can see when someone physically changes.
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But I know we've helped a few folks get out of bad relationships.
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And what you just said is the exact key right there.
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And you mentioned people staying in these bad relationships.
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And the one thing I hear from these, that happen to be women,
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women who get out of these relationships is, I didn't know that I could do it.
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It's like the fear of not knowing that they could do it trumped the fear that they were
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in living in that household or that abusive person.
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And for one of those women, right, to get out of that relationship is like building a massive
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The way they had to mentally process and push forward through the struggle to be able to
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I would say it's even greater because it's terrifying.
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And I don't think we can pigeonhole that statement.
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So I think that's a great analogy to thinking big isn't maybe not just building a company,
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you know, or thinking big is taking a bunch of people up on the Allagash and trying to
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How do you know for you, since it's all relative for you guys, how do you know when it's big
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Like, well, let's take the podcast studio because we're sitting in there.
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You probably could have done more and bigger and grander and greater.
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So like, how do you know like, oh, this is where we want it.
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How big, I said something once on our podcast, I don't know if you remember this, Brian, you
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And I think anything that comes from someone's mind could be possible.
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Why do you look out and, and think of these crazy, crazy things?
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We want to build, we want to create, and it's limitless really what our brains can gel
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And I feel like if your brain can gel it together, well, your hands can gel it together
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And so it's a matter of what do you have for vision?
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Because it's going to start with that and you got to have motivation and you've got to
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You've got to be naive to believe you can put what's in your brain out there.
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I've, I've, I've used the term a little delusional in the past.
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Maybe even a lack of self-awareness to a degree, right?
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Like, I don't know if it's self-awareness or you, you see what I'm getting at?
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Because delusional means you're not, you're not on planet earth.
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Naive means you can do it against the grain because everyone's saying you can't.
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I like that distinction and it is because you're not ordinary to other people.
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So they look around and they think, oh, why are they doing this?
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And people can't fathom that they can't wrap their heads around it.
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You were talking about that when you were trying to secure some funding early in the business.
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I have basic conversations like this every day.
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I don't even like answering that question anymore.
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And rather, it's weird because rather than trying to understand, and that's what we should
00:46:12.340
Like when I see somebody succeed, like this whole, like Jay-Z, I think was just labeled
00:46:21.080
And, and people are like, well, he had this and this and this and whatever, all kinds of
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You don't have to think he's a moral person necessarily.
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There's something about him that he did, that he created.
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I think a lot of times you're going to find with people like that, and I can totally relate.
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You think they're running towards something when indeed they're running from something.
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Like I'm, I'm really not running towards, like when you say not what's an, what's like
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enough, like, well, I'm, I'm running away from something.
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I'm running, I'm running away from, from something, you know?
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And that's the reason why we've, I think, naturally organically aligned on a lot of
00:47:39.220
And I've just, when you, for me, and I think you would say the same, when you've come from
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nothing, you have a lot to, I look at it as like a superpower.
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Like, I'm thankful now that I didn't grow up with a lot.
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You know, I grew up a lot more privileged than a lot of people, but I didn't grow up with
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We like joking around like, Hey, did you have the government block of cheese?
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You know that the big cans, you know, would you have a cereal?
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You know, so good compared to a lot of people in the world.
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My mom and my dad for that instance used to, I think it was my dad who used to say, there's
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I remember one time we were at a friend's house and this is kind of a side story.
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And they had made spaghetti and they had nine kids.
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They made this huge spaghetti meal with a sauce and they made all the kids sit down
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And we were going to watch Superman 1 for the first time ever.
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And I was just a young'un and maybe nine years old, eight years old.
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And Mrs. Walsh was like, you're going to eat that food.
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You're going to eat that food or you're not going to watch the movie.
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And I said, well, I'm going to sit here with you because I'm not touching it.
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And all the other kids were like gagging it down.
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Nine, the 13s, all the 12 kids were gagging it down.
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And I sat there for hours until finally, like, he's actually not going to eat that food.
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And they tasted it and the sauce that was on it had gone bad.
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So, for watching Superman, I want to watch frigging Superman so bad, dude.
00:50:40.600
But, you know, it's, I think some of it, you know, comes down to, like, are you going to assimilate?
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And I say all my siblings and I say everybody else at their table, they assimilated, you know, because they were commanded to do something.
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And for me, I never really enjoyed authority too much.
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And, I mean, that's just, you know, fundamentally, I never really enjoyed authority.
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And I always felt from a young age that if you can look up into the heavens and you can see something, I really believed when they told us in school, you can do anything.
00:51:25.000
When they said you can do anything in life, I was like, that's badass from a young age.
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You might get looked at like you're weird or crazy.
00:51:45.460
Do you guys think, coming from your background, what you're talking about now, and I've known a lot of successful people that I think are this way, that you have any sort of chip on your shoulder or feel like I've got something to prove and that's what's driving?
00:52:12.260
He owned a successful business for a few years in the early 80s before I was born.
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And I watched him try and restart different things over and over again.
00:52:40.040
And two, be there for me growing up way more than he was for my brothers.
00:52:49.860
And he was able to coach and be a community leader.
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if you're trying to think big and do things big,
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And it really becomes just a straight-up weight.
00:54:45.620
where that's such a priority for me as a father,
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And now I refuse to let that happen for my kids.
00:55:30.700
The problem is that it's usually lowered, right?
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It's lower than what you should be holding yourself to.
00:55:53.980
You'd be the highest producing agent in this office.
00:55:56.620
And I remember he looked at him stone cold and said,
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I don't want to be the highest producer in this office.
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is like surrounding yourself with the right people.
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That's why I'm honored to be here with you guys
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is because what you're doing within your business,
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I told Ryan some of the insider stuff we're doing
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I'm on the fence of playing in this alumni lacrosse game
01:02:09.220
the old man can play or do I want to save my body a little bit because I haven't sprinted in a long time.
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And I think when you start thinking about slowing down,
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you slow down because you're thinking about it.
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I am not even close to thinking about slowing down.
01:03:05.500
I'll push the limit on that until that person is like,
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but he's talking about abnormal things and how excited he is about pursuing it and then taking it to the next level and the next level and pushing and push.
01:04:00.820
And he's going to continue to push and push and push.
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We're in one tiny little town in the foothills of Maine's Western mountains.
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And I hope it sounds a little bit naive because I think those are awesome,
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to build whatever it is you're building or do whatever it is you're doing.
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I see it as confidence and that that's been earned through a lot of trial.
01:05:38.200
But how do you balance being confident with being humble and allowing yourself to see that although we want to grow this business to what we want to grow it to,
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We have to recognize that there's some blind spots that maybe we're not seeing that arrogance would overlook people.
01:06:01.240
It all comes back to the people that all comes back to the people that have brain power into the equation to help solve the equation because we're writing the equation.
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you need more of a brain trust to be able to do that.
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you're not going to stop the train from moving.
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fueling the fire and conducting this thing and getting passengers on and hitting the right stops,
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There's probably things that you didn't know what you didn't even know.
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there are things that he knows that Henry doesn't know.
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without you guys and the opportunities that I feel like will present themselves,
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