Order of Man - The Power of Thinking Big ｜ PETE ROBERTS & BRIAN LITTLEFIELD

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:06.020 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.480 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.

00:00:15.500 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.

00:00:19.760 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:25.120 What's up guys? Glad to be sitting in this brand new studio here.

00:00:28.640 How many podcasts have you done here?

00:00:30.660 Oh, four.

00:00:32.120 Yeah, you guys are just feeling started.

00:00:34.040 But with this set up.

00:00:36.100 First day.

00:00:38.040 First day. Second podcast. I wish I was the first though.

00:00:41.140 I was going to say.

00:00:42.020 We wouldn't have been able to do it this morning.

00:00:46.200 No, it wasn't.

00:00:46.700 Because we literally finished drilling the holes, I don't know, like 10 minutes before we recorded.

00:00:52.360 Yeah. It looks so good.

00:00:53.860 Thanks.

00:00:54.380 And we're going to have the video available so the guys can watch it too and see your guys' studio.

00:00:58.740 Yes.

00:00:59.400 This ties into what I want to talk with you guys about, which is thinking big.

00:01:02.840 Because I was just telling you, I think a lot of people are playing safe.

00:01:05.520 They're playing mediocre.

00:01:07.200 You know, what's the bare minimum I can do to barely get by?

00:01:11.160 And my limited interaction just in the past, what, four or five days of being here in Maine,

00:01:15.760 I would say you guys are the antithesis of that.

00:01:19.180 For good or worse.

00:01:20.860 Well, neighbor.

00:01:21.940 That's right.

00:01:22.600 Which is so strange.

00:01:23.960 We appreciate that.

00:01:26.300 Actually, Ryan, welcome to Maine.

00:01:28.820 Thank you.

00:01:29.380 Yes.

00:01:29.920 Happy to have you here.

00:01:30.840 It's going to be fun.

00:01:32.280 A lot of synergy.

00:01:33.220 And we're going to be able to do a lot of things together as we think really big.

00:01:37.760 Yeah.

00:01:38.320 Well, I'm looking forward to that.

00:01:39.320 It's funny because a lot of people asked me if I was coming up here to work with you guys.

00:01:43.500 Yeah.

00:01:43.780 And I said, no, I'm unemployable.

00:01:46.940 There's no company that could hire me.

00:01:48.740 Well, maybe I shouldn't say that.

00:01:50.480 Never seen that group.

00:01:51.400 That's right.

00:01:52.140 But yeah, on Instagram, I think I put a post and I said, hey, now that I'm here, I can let

00:01:57.980 you all in on a little secret.

00:01:59.720 And then the next post, I was like, there's no secret.

00:02:01.760 I'm just up here.

00:02:02.740 We're here for an adventure.

00:02:04.080 But to say that you guys with origin and everything you're doing didn't play a factor wouldn't be

00:02:10.220 the truth.

00:02:10.640 I mean, the truth is, is that there is a lot of synergy and there's a lot of that I admire

00:02:15.520 and respect about you guys, which is why I got introduced to being out here in the

00:02:18.760 first place, but definitely a factor for us being out here.

00:02:21.980 Yeah.

00:02:22.380 Well, I'm looking forward to spending time with your wife and your kids.

00:02:27.000 And it depends on my kids.

00:02:28.840 No, your kids are awesome, dude.

00:02:30.400 I was swinging them around.

00:02:31.680 We were walking through a store the other night and they're like, swing me up, swing me

00:02:34.920 up, swing me up.

00:02:35.680 And I'm like, yeah, I actually got a little shoulder sore.

00:02:38.760 That's right.

00:02:39.400 A little sore.

00:02:40.640 I'm also looking forward to going through that massive barn and discovering some of

00:02:45.780 those, uh, lost archive.

00:02:48.400 Yeah.

00:02:48.560 Cause I sent you a video.

00:02:49.700 Yeah, I know.

00:02:50.440 I knew you were going to be excited about that.

00:02:52.600 Did you see that?

00:02:53.200 No, I didn't.

00:02:53.640 You didn't see that.

00:02:54.040 I don't think so.

00:02:54.760 I got to send it to you.

00:02:55.680 We're happy.

00:02:56.080 He just got, he sent me a video of something he found and I can only imagine what it actually

00:03:03.600 is.

00:03:04.200 It was a quick video.

00:03:05.040 We're going to actually next week's origin HD.

00:03:07.480 I'd love to do.

00:03:08.380 Yeah.

00:03:08.900 You know, cause I haven't seen it in person yet.

00:03:11.420 I think it was the original kind of patterns and materials Lou Hayden used to build San

00:03:18.420 Antonio shoe.

00:03:19.400 Really?

00:03:19.960 I think that's what it is.

00:03:21.280 That would be pretty crazy.

00:03:22.100 Cause that was his residence, right?

00:03:23.620 Yes.

00:03:24.040 Yeah.

00:03:24.360 Okay.

00:03:24.660 I think there's some newer stuff in there, but I think there's some older stuff in there

00:03:27.780 as well.

00:03:28.060 Yeah.

00:03:28.460 So we'll, we'll, we'll root through there a little bit.

00:03:30.800 Sweet.

00:03:31.200 Yeah.

00:03:31.800 Well, like I said, I wanted to talk to you guys about thinking big.

00:03:34.580 Um, because like I see the studio, uh, we've had a lot of conversations over the past several

00:03:40.140 days about what you guys are doing and some of the, uh, projects that you have going

00:03:44.700 on.

00:03:45.200 Sure.

00:03:45.520 Walk me through your mindset, uh, about where this, where this comes from, because I, I imagine

00:03:51.300 it, well, it's not, it's not normal is not the right word necessarily, but it's not typical.

00:03:57.540 So where does this mindset of thinking big come from for you guys?

00:04:02.300 Man, it's for me, it's very easy and super organic.

00:04:07.380 You have a new home down the road, a few miles and a bunch of acreage, maybe 40 or 50 acres.

00:04:15.440 As you walk through your property, you're going to see the stone walls in the woods.

00:04:22.000 Pick one up and then look at all of them and think about how they did that without anything.

00:04:30.100 Right.

00:04:31.360 And for me, it's as simple as that.

00:04:33.260 Like this finger right here, that, that was crushed moving a stone wall.

00:04:37.220 Oh, I have a constant reminder because it gets cold when, when it's just, you know, mild

00:04:42.800 outside, there's no nerve damage and everything.

00:04:45.160 I've moved a stone wall as a kid, as a 15 year old.

00:04:48.280 And I know what it's like to move a stone wall, but you think about how they built the

00:04:56.180 fields, cleared the fields, the size of the trees that must've been here in Maine to those

00:05:01.760 fields that are behind your new home.

00:05:03.840 Right.

00:05:04.820 How long that must've taken.

00:05:06.720 Oh, I can't even imagine.

00:05:07.800 All the stones.

00:05:09.680 And I think about how easy we've got it, how connected we are with technology, you know,

00:05:16.500 and, and, and just you, you can get anything you want at your fingertips.

00:05:21.580 And that's also an advantage, right?

00:05:25.440 Because every time I see somebody doing this, that means they have tunnel vision, right?

00:05:30.600 Because this is reality to most people.

00:05:33.960 To me, this is a tool.

00:05:35.840 This is just a tool, not reality, but, but people are so fixated on what's going on.

00:05:40.880 What else is going on in the world?

00:05:42.120 Right.

00:05:42.600 Through this frigging advice.

00:05:45.180 Yeah.

00:05:45.340 If you can detach yourself, look at the stone wall, not through this, but in person and pick

00:05:52.400 up that rock, you'll understand what we're trying to do.

00:05:56.100 It's that simple.

00:05:58.740 Yeah.

00:05:59.260 I mean, I think, well, like going back to what we were saying before is that it is, we live

00:06:04.740 in this world where it's just so easy to get anything, to have anything, to do anything.

00:06:10.040 And then we look through this really weird filter of other people's lives and it's not

00:06:14.040 reality.

00:06:14.640 It's really not.

00:06:16.440 So how do you see this then tying into, you know, the, the, the reality of what you're

00:06:22.400 creating and then using this technology and the stories that you're really, really good

00:06:27.960 at and proficient with as well.

00:06:29.580 Appreciate that.

00:06:30.240 We have a great team that handles that.

00:06:32.060 Yeah.

00:06:32.080 Unbelievable.

00:06:33.800 So this also allows the best storytelling we've ever had.

00:06:39.700 No doubt.

00:06:40.280 Right.

00:06:40.600 Cause it's just, and if you take the filter off and that's what, that's what we're trying

00:06:45.280 to do, like, Hey, we're, we're not glorifying.

00:06:48.360 Like we're not going to pull out the stuff that is hard, you know, like that's the stuff

00:06:55.260 that's good.

00:06:56.320 That's the, that's the meat.

00:06:57.780 The stuff that's hard is what makes, makes this place and makes these ideas authentic.

00:07:04.600 Where, where other people would say, Oh, you guys are crazy.

00:07:09.100 Oh, what's crazy.

00:07:10.680 What's crazy.

00:07:11.360 We just did a podcast and we were talking about the canals in Lewiston, Maine.

00:07:15.800 And I made a, I made a comparison.

00:07:17.900 Well, I bet if you stripped out all the granite from those canals, you could build a fourth

00:07:23.200 pyramid.

00:07:24.280 Hmm.

00:07:25.040 And that was recent.

00:07:26.660 That was recent.

00:07:28.440 They built those canals by hand.

00:07:30.540 Yeah.

00:07:31.120 With mules and horses and sticks.

00:07:35.160 So what's the big deal?

00:07:37.640 Right.

00:07:38.360 You know, like think, think big.

00:07:40.960 Like if, if, if they could do that with limited resources, imagine what you can do with all

00:07:46.480 the resources you have right now in life.

00:07:49.140 That's amazing.

00:07:50.240 Uh, I can't remember his name who built this, who built the studio, Dustin Brophy, Dustin.

00:07:55.680 We were downstairs talking while you guys were podcasting and he was talking about, I think

00:07:59.780 he was taking a barn down and he was saying the same thing.

00:08:03.280 It was those, the pins, right?

00:08:05.120 So he's taking pins out and he's like, you couldn't even slip a piece of paper through

00:08:08.260 those things.

00:08:08.720 And you think about hand tools and the time and the hours and the dedication and the

00:08:12.960 refining and the precision that went into that with the limited tools that they had

00:08:20.820 compared to what they have now.

00:08:22.100 Yeah.

00:08:23.080 And, and you know, it's great, Dustin, he did build, he built our first factory too.

00:08:27.480 Did I tell you that?

00:08:28.460 Uh, no, I don't think so.

00:08:29.220 He's the one that designed and built that factory.

00:08:31.580 Really?

00:08:31.780 Well, oversaw it, but he designed it.

00:08:33.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:33.760 All the green lumber, which is 10 times heavier than dried lumber.

00:08:38.360 Yeah, true.

00:08:39.260 But, uh, he, he's got an interesting history.

00:08:42.600 Actually, his dad was in case on Vietnam and you know why he doesn't hunt?

00:08:48.920 I don't know.

00:08:49.660 But because he had to hunt for food when he was a kid.

00:08:54.280 His dad's like growing up, go get food.

00:08:59.820 So he, he grew up a little harder, so he doesn't find a lot of enjoyment in it.

00:09:03.260 Right.

00:09:03.600 His daughter does now.

00:09:04.240 But, you know, I think that, you know, is that good or bad?

00:09:10.680 You know, like when you get like one of your kid, your oldest, right?

00:09:14.420 Imagine setting him out 12 years old saying, we need food, go get something, go get a deer.

00:09:18.920 That's crazy.

00:09:20.200 Right now.

00:09:20.580 I mean, and we're only talking 25 years ago.

00:09:23.300 And what's crazy.

00:09:24.380 You know what I mean?

00:09:24.860 This is 25 years ago.

00:09:25.740 It's not that long ago.

00:09:26.600 No.

00:09:26.980 Yeah.

00:09:27.440 No.

00:09:27.800 Yeah.

00:09:28.300 So there's a hardening, you know?

00:09:30.800 And I think to think big, I think that there has to be, maybe, maybe there doesn't have

00:09:39.140 to be, I don't want to, I don't want to make a statement that, that kind of covers this

00:09:43.220 thing, but there has to be a defining moment for me to think big.

00:09:50.540 You know, you gotta, you gotta have that defined.

00:09:52.480 What is that defining moment?

00:09:53.740 I know for you, well, your wife left you.

00:09:57.680 Right.

00:09:58.400 Defining moment.

00:09:59.040 I was a rude wake up.

00:09:59.680 Yeah.

00:09:59.820 Hey, hey, there's your wake up call.

00:10:01.520 Yeah.

00:10:02.060 Your wife left you.

00:10:04.520 For me, I've had a few.

00:10:05.940 Some of them I'm open to sharing and some of them not, but when it comes right down to

00:10:10.460 it, in life, you know, I think once we get out of the, you know, the local, you know,

00:10:20.840 the high school and you, you get into your life, you will have defining moments.

00:10:25.600 And I believe it's how you use those defining moments.

00:10:30.100 Do you become a victim to the moments or do you use the moments as fuel, right?

00:10:35.860 To, to overcome them?

00:10:37.040 Because if you do, and if you choose, and it's a choice, you know what I mean?

00:10:41.280 Like we talk about mental gymnastics.

00:10:43.000 We talk about, you can play all the frigging mental gymnastics you want to, but you're not,

00:10:49.500 you're not really tricking yourself.

00:10:52.560 Cause you know, you know, you know, you know, and if you can face that, you know, and, and

00:11:00.680 use it as fuel, I think that is the greatest pill that is the limitless pill.

00:11:07.400 Do you think what, and you kind of alluded to this, do you think it has to be some defining

00:11:12.500 moment?

00:11:12.860 Because in my experience, what I've seen is a lot of men go through something catastrophic

00:11:17.160 like a divorce or a major medical battle or a bankruptcy or a job loss, something catastrophic

00:11:24.600 that wakes them up, finding moments, but do we have to wait?

00:11:29.420 Does, is that a, is that a necessary step to thinking big, thinking outside of the box,

00:11:35.720 expanding our horizon a little bit?

00:11:38.480 I'm going to say yes.

00:11:39.640 I mean, in my opinion, the thing is, is there's a lot of defining moments in life.

00:11:43.240 We've just been so comfortable at, you know, disregarding them.

00:11:48.800 There's a lot of things that can craft us in life.

00:11:50.760 There's a lot of things that I look back at now that slowly crafted me to be,

00:11:54.600 who I am, but I didn't recognize those in the moment.

00:11:58.020 Some of them could have been life-changing and in, because they were not, they put me

00:12:04.800 on the path that I'm on.

00:12:06.640 But if you just sit back and you wait for that defining moment to, to take that path,

00:12:11.700 of course, that's not the right course of action, but usually there's something happening

00:12:15.400 in your life.

00:12:15.940 We, we live on this, this planet that is basically constantly trying to kill us, right?

00:12:26.140 Yeah.

00:12:26.320 And we've evolved to be more safe and comfortable over generations and generations, but it's

00:12:35.620 still trying to kill us.

00:12:36.540 I mean, we're in Maine right now and the ticks are migrating North and this is a new thing

00:12:41.080 for us.

00:12:41.500 And they carry a disease that can literally change your life.

00:12:45.260 Right.

00:12:45.680 You know?

00:12:46.100 Right.

00:12:47.020 And we continue to adapt.

00:12:49.880 And if you don't recognize these defining moments and you just brush them off, then, then you

00:12:57.480 can't take that course of action.

00:12:58.960 And certain defining moments I agree with Pete have helped craft me for who I am today.

00:13:05.320 What do you, what do you think separates those who have, cause we all have what could potentially

00:13:10.940 be defining moments.

00:13:12.100 Yeah.

00:13:12.320 And maybe they're by default defining maybe in a negative connotation as well.

00:13:17.520 Right.

00:13:18.560 So what do you think separates somebody who takes a moment like that and decides to use

00:13:24.180 it as a tool for growth versus self-destruction?

00:13:28.860 That was a great question.

00:13:30.680 It is a great question.

00:13:32.980 For me, I could see the lack of any, like a support system, you know, would be very difficult

00:13:41.780 for someone like just straight up lack of support system.

00:13:44.440 Like for me, I had, I always had my wife, you know, since we were kids, since we were

00:13:48.140 15, I always had her there.

00:13:51.260 And I say, well, if my glass was a little too full, she'll dump it out.

00:13:56.140 But if it's a little empty, she'll pour some in, you know?

00:13:59.160 And that's a, that's a good metaphor for, for our relationship.

00:14:02.120 But some people it's a, it's a grandparent.

00:14:05.700 It's a, it's a parent, it's a friend, you know?

00:14:08.320 And some people, they're just straight up solo and they're just trying to prove something.

00:14:13.380 You know, maybe, maybe their, their parent was an alcoholic and they want to be the opposite.

00:14:20.960 That's my case, right?

00:14:23.060 I'm not, I'm going in the opposite direction.

00:14:26.540 Maybe their, maybe their parents are divorced.

00:14:29.140 Maybe they're adopted.

00:14:30.400 I don't know.

00:14:30.800 I mean, people go through crazy things, you know?

00:14:33.360 I mean, we were talking last night and my mom was telling me, we took a trip for lacrosse.

00:14:38.420 And my mom was telling me, Keegan was saying, oh, some of my friends, they're, they're living

00:14:41.800 together.

00:14:42.200 They got kicked out of their house.

00:14:43.720 And I was like, really?

00:14:45.040 And he's like, yeah.

00:14:45.900 My mom said, well, when I was the counselor here 20 years ago, she said 5% of those kids

00:14:52.620 in your school were homeless.

00:14:54.320 5%.

00:14:55.080 Really?

00:14:56.060 I said, what?

00:14:57.440 Yeah, it sounds crazy.

00:14:58.500 What?

00:14:59.740 I mean, we didn't have a whole lot growing up, but homeless?

00:15:01.980 You were homeless.

00:15:02.680 Right.

00:15:04.000 Well, that could be the fuel for someone, you know?

00:15:07.820 And I don't know, Ryan, what, what the, the secret sauce is to make someone want to think

00:15:16.120 big.

00:15:17.440 I do think there are, like Brian said, instances and, and if, and you can replace those pains

00:15:26.000 with like substance abuse, let's say you can like replace things to make you feel good.

00:15:30.900 You can, you can use, you know, whatever you want to use addictions to replace or you can

00:15:36.120 reflect on them, you know, you can reflect on them and, and sort through those, that,

00:15:41.060 that puzzle and, and come in and make up your own secret sauce, you know?

00:15:45.720 And I think that, I think it really comes down to the individual and, and what, what type

00:15:55.540 of mental gymnastics they're playing in their head.

00:15:58.720 Are we going to play gymnastics or are we going to face the facts?

00:16:01.520 Right, right.

00:16:02.840 Well, you, as, as you're talking, it's got me thinking about how you can choose to, well,

00:16:09.120 self, self-medicate or get addicted or channel that energy or frustration.

00:16:13.820 However, it's manifesting itself towards destructive patterns and habits or something that is

00:16:19.600 productive, like business for me, podcasting, jujitsu, I mean, archery, hunting, whatever

00:16:26.180 it is, you're, it's not like you're eliminating that energy.

00:16:29.960 You're just directing it where it needs to go so that it can be.

00:16:33.180 And it's like, I tell my boys, my oldest in particular, it's like, you don't need to

00:16:36.940 be destructive.

00:16:37.600 Like you can take that energy that, that, that makes you want to break things and channel

00:16:43.620 it towards being constructive, towards building.

00:16:46.700 So let's focus on that instead.

00:16:48.440 Yeah.

00:16:49.380 Yeah.

00:16:49.620 And, and, and he's going to have a lot of opportunity to do that.

00:16:52.100 They all are.

00:16:52.820 Yeah.

00:16:53.180 Oh, for sure.

00:16:54.080 For sure.

00:16:54.800 I'm overwhelmed, man.

00:16:56.460 Speaking of thinking big, that's a big house and a lot of property.

00:17:00.400 I'm like, oh boy, I got the zero turnout the other day, which made lawn mowing fun.

00:17:05.060 Dude, I want to come over and mow your lawn.

00:17:07.340 Dude, I should charge people to come over and mow my lawn.

00:17:11.740 There you go.

00:17:12.580 Yeah.

00:17:12.800 The zero return.

00:17:13.760 Dude, it was awesome.

00:17:15.220 Yeah.

00:17:15.620 And my son was out there on the tractor and he's like, this is cool, dad.

00:17:19.440 Yeah.

00:17:19.820 Just be careful on the side hills.

00:17:22.040 Yeah.

00:17:22.220 Oh yeah.

00:17:22.540 Yeah.

00:17:22.860 Yeah.

00:17:23.960 Approaching, approaching the hills.

00:17:25.580 Yeah.

00:17:26.080 We'll learn all that stuff.

00:17:27.040 I'm sure.

00:17:27.500 Hopefully not the hard way.

00:17:28.760 I had a friend who decided once when we were kids, he lived through the woods up, maybe like

00:17:34.100 a mile up through the woods.

00:17:35.820 There wasn't any trails, so he decided he was going, this is Dan, he was going to take

00:17:40.020 his tractor to my house.

00:17:42.680 Yeah.

00:17:43.700 The tractor ended up halfway into the woods buried.

00:17:46.640 Oh geez.

00:17:47.000 Like a real tractor.

00:17:48.060 Yeah.

00:17:48.160 Like a real old tractor with the big wheels.

00:17:50.000 Yeah.

00:17:50.760 And your kids will be able to experience the same thing.

00:17:53.440 Yes, they will.

00:17:54.580 Yes, they will.

00:17:54.720 And it's one of those things you got to like, let them do it.

00:17:56.540 Yeah.

00:17:56.760 Hey, go figure it out.

00:17:57.620 Go figure out how to get it out.

00:17:58.820 Right.

00:17:59.780 I just told him, stay away from buildings and stay away from my vehicles.

00:18:03.020 Yeah.

00:18:03.280 Is that their rule set?

00:18:04.640 For that it is.

00:18:05.520 Buildings and vehicles.

00:18:06.320 Well, for now, I mean, we've never had a tractor or anything.

00:18:09.760 I mean, we've had side-by-sides and things like that they brought around on, so they're

00:18:13.280 somewhat familiar with it.

00:18:14.920 But Brian, you brought up something interesting.

00:18:16.580 You said, we live in a world that's trying to kill us, right?

00:18:19.200 Yeah.

00:18:19.480 And what was interesting about that is I was talking with Lee Ireland, and he was talking

00:18:24.260 about the property itself.

00:18:25.380 And he said, at one point, we had all of this cleared out, and it was significantly more

00:18:30.300 than it is now.

00:18:31.700 And he says, if you don't manage it, nature will take it back.

00:18:36.480 You got to manage it.

00:18:38.000 And if you don't, it's not going to take very long for her to reclaim what was once hers.

00:18:42.860 Facts.

00:18:43.240 It definitely will not.

00:18:44.380 The state of Maine was all fields at one point.

00:18:46.320 Yep.

00:18:46.820 90%.

00:18:47.220 Is that right?

00:18:47.940 Yeah.

00:18:48.100 Oh, wow.

00:18:49.000 Yeah.

00:18:49.160 Yeah, because we're, I mean, wooded.

00:18:52.000 Yeah.

00:18:52.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:52.980 And now it's the most forested state in the U.S.

00:18:55.980 Is it really?

00:18:56.640 Yeah.

00:18:56.960 Yeah.

00:18:57.580 They call it like a boreal wilderness, right?

00:18:59.800 Yeah.

00:19:00.740 Yeah.

00:19:01.100 I mean, one place we'll have to go, we'll have to go up to the Allagash.

00:19:04.820 Oh, yeah.

00:19:05.140 You'll have to come up to that.

00:19:06.180 And it's, you know, it's like taking, well, as you know, you come to Maine, you come to

00:19:11.400 Western Maine, it's people like, you know, the middle of nowhere, boondocks or whatever.

00:19:16.100 This is it.

00:19:16.640 The next step is, is you going to the Allagash.

00:19:20.300 Like there's.

00:19:21.300 And that's, is that North?

00:19:22.280 That's North.

00:19:22.900 Okay.

00:19:23.220 You got to drive a few hours North.

00:19:25.040 You get to essentially a toll road, which becomes a dirt logging road.

00:19:30.440 And then you drive five more hours further into nothing.

00:19:34.940 I've never been my, I've never been.

00:19:37.360 It's crazy.

00:19:38.320 Oh, we need to go.

00:19:38.960 We'll do it this year.

00:19:40.100 It's.

00:19:40.480 If you want to do an event.

00:19:41.680 Life changing.

00:19:42.880 You need to do an Allagash event.

00:19:44.640 Do it up there.

00:19:45.520 Holy shit.

00:19:48.200 They got to be ready.

00:19:49.140 That's true.

00:19:49.700 That's what we want.

00:19:50.700 They got to be ready though.

00:19:51.980 Whoever's going.

00:19:52.660 Like this ties into it.

00:19:53.840 Thinking big.

00:19:54.840 Yeah.

00:19:55.240 Like I could do an event at the property.

00:19:57.080 Right.

00:19:57.320 And we will.

00:19:57.820 But what if you gave yourself no out?

00:20:00.380 Yeah.

00:20:00.820 Give yourself no out.

00:20:01.640 That's the Allagash.

00:20:02.520 You ain't, you aren't coming out.

00:20:03.800 You have to go down that river.

00:20:06.820 My, my family, the, the men in my family go annually.

00:20:11.920 And last year or the year before, I want to say it was the year before my brother went

00:20:15.140 in and he wasn't feeling so great and they had to, they basically had to carry him out.

00:20:21.000 He had a blood clot in his, up, up on his upper leg near his groin and his whole

00:20:25.840 leg wouldn't move.

00:20:26.880 How did he get that?

00:20:28.000 From like getting hit or what?

00:20:29.140 They had to basically get him out.

00:20:29.600 No, it was just genetic.

00:20:30.920 Oh, just, yeah.

00:20:31.820 Just something happened.

00:20:32.400 It just happened to, to, to go from a painful leg to, I can't really use my leg.

00:20:38.960 And I mean, literally in the middle of nowhere, there's no cell service.

00:20:42.160 There's no, you're not calling anybody.

00:20:44.120 So how, so they rushed.

00:20:46.060 Was it white water?

00:20:47.400 Is that, is it rafting?

00:20:48.400 Is that what it is?

00:20:48.980 Certain areas are.

00:20:50.020 They were on the, the lake where there's just, there's nobody.

00:20:53.440 You've got to canoe.

00:20:54.060 So you've got to go in and you drive all the way up there.

00:20:58.060 Well, you're talking, I'm going to pull it up here.

00:21:00.020 So I'm just going to put it in.

00:21:00.920 Oh, you just want an excuse to use the, I do the TV, the, the Allagash wilderness waterway,

00:21:06.540 right?

00:21:06.740 So there's, there's a few different things.

00:21:09.000 You can do the waterway, which is you, you kind of put in up here and then you go downward.

00:21:12.680 Yeah.

00:21:13.440 Which I haven't done yet.

00:21:14.700 And then what we would do is we would go up to a pond and you'd have to carry your canoe.

00:21:19.600 I don't know, a couple hundred yards through the woods and all your gear and put in, in

00:21:24.060 this pond canoe across the pond, there's an outlet.

00:21:26.620 And then you would go down that outlet about five miles to actually about three miles.

00:21:30.680 Then you hit another stream.

00:21:32.500 That's a little bit, I mean, this outlet, there's points where you've got to get out,

00:21:35.280 but drag your canoe and then you hit the stream and you go downstream for a few more miles

00:21:41.600 and then you get to Allagash Lake and there's no other way to really get to Allagash Lake.

00:21:45.800 Other than through that outlet.

00:21:46.980 Yeah.

00:21:47.320 There's a, there's a pathway that you can do it.

00:21:50.580 And I think it's, I want to say two miles in, you've got to carry your canoe and your

00:21:54.440 gear.

00:21:55.940 But that's the only way to get to that lake.

00:21:57.980 So you guys do that every year?

00:22:00.720 We normally we do the last, the last few years have been the same week as the immersion.

00:22:05.280 Oh yeah.

00:22:06.200 So I've had to prioritize the, uh, the immersion camp.

00:22:09.380 Yeah.

00:22:09.940 But it's, it's truly an awakening experience being out there.

00:22:15.280 Oh, I bet.

00:22:16.220 I mean, we, I did the first time I ever came to the Northeast was and spent any amount of

00:22:22.860 time here, I should say was for the Spartan Agogi, which is in Vermont.

00:22:27.220 Oh, the Spartan race.

00:22:28.780 Well, it wasn't a race.

00:22:29.900 It's called the Agogi.

00:22:30.780 It's a 60 hour endurance event.

00:22:32.880 Holy crap.

00:22:33.600 And so that's by yourself or with, well, with a, with a team, we had eight to 10 people,

00:22:39.020 depending on how many guys stuck around and how many did, I think we started without knowing

00:22:44.520 exactly.

00:22:45.040 I want to say we started with 120 years, 130.

00:22:49.000 And I think we got down to 80 or so, maybe, maybe 90.

00:22:54.000 Yeah.

00:22:54.400 Yeah.

00:22:54.680 We lost 30, 40 people.

00:22:57.740 Yeah.

00:22:58.660 But I got introduced that way.

00:23:00.080 And so it sounds similar to what you're talking about is like the woods and being in the river.

00:23:03.920 And it's amazing.

00:23:05.720 That.

00:23:06.120 And I like to fish.

00:23:06.960 So it's, you can actually fish.

00:23:09.960 It's not overfished.

00:23:10.980 Right.

00:23:11.200 So you can actually fish.

00:23:12.420 It's, it's legit.

00:23:13.860 Yeah.

00:23:14.600 Yeah.

00:23:15.820 We'll have to check that out.

00:23:16.820 Yeah.

00:23:17.240 Yeah.

00:23:17.580 I want to do a lot of cool events up here.

00:23:19.420 Let me ask you this when it comes, or did you want to show something here?

00:23:22.000 This is the, this is the Allagash just so you can get a visual on it.

00:23:26.040 And yeah.

00:23:27.420 So this is the lake here.

00:23:30.900 Don't you, you start from one end.

00:23:32.900 So right.

00:23:33.480 And then somebody has to drive your vehicle back down.

00:23:35.720 So that's if you want to do the waterway, which is the waterway, which is what you'd want

00:23:38.980 to do.

00:23:39.400 Yeah.

00:23:39.780 For sure.

00:23:41.180 Do an event.

00:23:41.760 Cause you, once you start, there's no coming back.

00:23:44.380 Right.

00:23:44.920 And so how do you get out?

00:23:46.580 Oh, here's the route.

00:23:47.580 Right here.

00:23:48.500 It actually shows the route.

00:23:51.400 Oh, wow.

00:23:52.900 So do you go back the way you came?

00:23:54.980 No, you camp each day at a different site going down.

00:23:58.720 Yeah.

00:23:59.200 Yeah.

00:23:59.840 That's cool.

00:24:00.320 This is right up your alley.

00:24:01.460 This sounds cool.

00:24:02.760 And how many days is it, Brian?

00:24:04.420 Is it a week?

00:24:05.500 I think it's close to a week.

00:24:07.120 That's cool.

00:24:07.740 And once you start, you don't come back.

00:24:08.880 Right.

00:24:09.080 You got to go.

00:24:09.500 And you have to, what do they call it when you pick your canoe out of the water and walk

00:24:12.320 through, like hike through whatever they call it.

00:24:14.880 What's the word for that?

00:24:15.800 I, I know what you're talking about.

00:24:17.840 I'm spacing it right now.

00:24:18.920 Right.

00:24:19.980 I don't know.

00:24:20.880 Yeah.

00:24:21.340 Ruck, I guess.

00:24:22.320 I don't know.

00:24:22.800 Yeah.

00:24:22.920 Something like that.

00:24:23.620 Yeah.

00:24:24.160 So how do you, when, when we're talking about doing big things, things like this, right?

00:24:28.680 Or things within your business, even, um, you're taking risks, right?

00:24:33.060 There's, there's capital.

00:24:34.560 I know you're looking at me like you think it differently than risks.

00:24:38.100 I'll let you elaborate that on that first.

00:24:40.460 I mean, what is, what is risk?

00:24:45.120 You know what I mean?

00:24:45.960 Like, well, let me ask you, like, what scares you in life?

00:24:49.460 What things scare you in life?

00:24:51.020 Truly.

00:24:52.100 Oh, that's a good question.

00:24:53.940 You know, I think a lot about personally for me, just blending in, right?

00:24:58.440 Being mediocre.

00:24:59.360 That's something that I'm not interested in doing.

00:25:01.580 Um, I'm scared of not being the best father that I can be for my kids.

00:25:08.220 That's constantly on my mind.

00:25:11.560 That's about it.

00:25:12.740 I mean, I'm not worried about food or a roof over our head or think bigger.

00:25:17.460 I mean, are you scared of, or what would put you on?

00:25:23.200 What would, what would severely put you on your heels?

00:25:26.120 The only thing I could think of that would put me on my heels is some debilitating medical condition.

00:25:33.840 Thank you.

00:25:34.520 That's it.

00:25:35.740 That's it.

00:25:37.300 Your wife, yourself, a child.

00:25:40.540 Right.

00:25:42.160 Sickness and death.

00:25:44.640 Right.

00:25:45.220 Yeah.

00:25:47.120 So what is there to be scared of?

00:25:50.180 If you distill it down, sickness and death.

00:25:52.880 Right.

00:25:53.120 And not being able to provide for your family or not having your significant other or, or that, again, we go back to that support system, a healthy support system, whether it's physically healthy or emotionally healthy to support the dream.

00:26:09.540 If you have those things, why aren't you unstoppable?

00:26:14.600 You've got limited time, you know, limited time.

00:26:20.040 And we've got a solid 40 years to, to do something epic, you know, because you're, you're not really doing anything until you're 20.

00:26:27.800 And at 60, you're trying to enjoy what you've been part of.

00:26:32.140 And so those four decades of opportunity, why not?

00:26:35.480 Like I look at this one as I'm in my second decade of opportunity.

00:26:39.400 Year seven.

00:26:40.560 The first one has passed.

00:26:43.080 The recession killed it.

00:26:45.140 I'm a number two.

00:26:46.060 Year seven.

00:26:47.040 Man, I hope this is my next three decades of opportunity.

00:26:51.280 We're a friend now that you introduced me to camp.

00:26:56.000 One of the co-founders of Under Armour.

00:26:57.640 He said in a text message, he said, the last 20 years at Under Armour, I've lived 10 lifetimes.

00:27:06.160 Dude, I know exactly what he's feeling.

00:27:08.500 Yeah, I bet.

00:27:09.000 The last 20 years, I've lived 10 lifetimes.

00:27:15.000 That's someone who's definitely getting after it, but there's risk in everything, you know, and people use this as a cliche thing.

00:27:23.920 Well, you know, flying is safer than driving, you know.

00:27:29.360 Well, yeah, it is.

00:27:30.340 And you use these cliches for what purpose?

00:27:35.660 I don't talk yourself into things or out of things, I guess.

00:27:40.400 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:41.000 Yeah.

00:27:41.220 Exactly.

00:27:42.020 But what are you really scared of?

00:27:43.720 Sickness and death.

00:27:44.660 Ooh.

00:27:45.820 If you've got an idea what happens after that and you're comfortable with that, well, then what do you have to really lose?

00:27:57.340 Right.

00:27:58.880 I agree with you.

00:27:59.720 I mean, I've experienced this a lot because people have asked me, why are you coming out here?

00:28:04.260 Why not, man?

00:28:05.160 Why not?

00:28:05.760 Like, worst case scenario, we get out here, we spend a couple of years, we don't enjoy it.

00:28:09.160 Right.

00:28:09.640 We move.

00:28:11.040 Like, it's not.

00:28:11.520 Right.

00:28:11.980 There's no risk in what we're doing.

00:28:14.340 It's crazy to people, though, right?

00:28:15.780 It's crazy.

00:28:16.760 And it's crazy that it's crazy.

00:28:18.620 Like, to me, I hear it, I'm like, well, what's your problem?

00:28:21.240 Right.

00:28:21.760 You're asking me why.

00:28:22.920 I'm wondering why not.

00:28:24.140 Like, you're going to die and you're not going to have done anything.

00:28:29.320 And you're going to have to look back on the past 40, 50, 60, 70 years and say a bunch of times, remember when we could have done this and I wanted to do this and I wanted to do that and you didn't do any of it because you were afraid or talking yourself out of it the whole time?

00:28:42.660 Right.

00:28:42.960 Afraid of nothing?

00:28:44.040 So where's the real loss?

00:28:45.740 The real loss is not having done it or at least not having tried it.

00:28:50.860 Sure.

00:28:51.180 And that stuck with me hearing that as a kid, you know, we could have done this or we should have, you know, like, okay, I'm thinking like, well, why, why not?

00:29:02.740 You can lose money.

00:29:04.760 Yeah.

00:29:05.260 You can make that back.

00:29:06.100 Right.

00:29:06.840 You can, you can lose possessions.

00:29:10.880 Well, if I mean, so, so what else is there?

00:29:14.320 The only thing that you really can't get back, you know, is, is your health.

00:29:18.460 Yeah.

00:29:18.660 Right.

00:29:18.900 I mean, those are the things you can't get back.

00:29:20.180 So as long as you're living a healthy lifestyle, you're making the right decisions and you're doing the things that you should be doing, then you shouldn't be afraid to, to take risk as we, as we mentioned, you know, I wonder if it's a, a product of, or at least a part of the equation of, we talk about possessions, for example, not you, you could lose possessions.

00:29:40.280 I wonder if you're more likely to take, we'll just, we'll dub it risks because that's the term people know.

00:29:46.460 All right.

00:29:47.440 If you have been in that position before, like I've, I've been broke before.

00:29:52.500 Yeah.

00:29:52.820 I, I have no problem being broke.

00:29:54.560 Definitely.

00:29:54.760 I've been without stuff.

00:29:55.720 I got no problem being without stuff.

00:29:57.580 Definitely.

00:29:58.600 Definitely.

00:29:59.040 I remember talking with one of my friends, Noah, you know, Noah Pillsbury.

00:30:03.900 Um, and he said to me once he had a big contracting company, he sold it, made a bunch of money, got divorced, lost all the money.

00:30:13.760 Yeah.

00:30:14.000 And he came up and I think it was one of his downtimes where he was actually working for somebody trying to figure out what to do with life.

00:30:21.200 And he said, Hey, once you know how to, how to make money, you always do.

00:30:25.960 You always do.

00:30:26.940 So, yeah.

00:30:28.360 So I'm just trying to get my life together first before I go tackle it again.

00:30:33.360 And he has tackled it again.

00:30:35.080 And he came up recently and his company now is, you know, revenues back up to $10 million a year.

00:30:40.680 Of course, you know, he just like, you got to get you right.

00:30:43.600 You know what I mean?

00:30:44.160 Before you can go tackle something.

00:30:46.300 And I think that if you're, if you're not right, you know, like if you're not mentally, even physically, but if you're not emotionally there, well, then it is a risk.

00:30:57.540 But if you are emotionally there, well, then it's a calculated risk.

00:31:01.480 Right.

00:31:02.440 You're going to fail.

00:31:03.320 No, you're not going to fail.

00:31:04.100 You're going to make a tuition payment.

00:31:05.500 You're going to have hurdles, speed bumps, a wall to climb.

00:31:09.160 But the only true end is the end of life.

00:31:14.160 Right.

00:31:15.480 It matters how many times you want to scrape yourself back up and keep going.

00:31:18.820 How do you know what to pursue though?

00:31:21.440 I mean, we talked about this a couple of days ago with the boots and the jeans and there's a billion other things that you could choose to pursue.

00:31:28.180 Why, why choose these things over something else?

00:31:31.180 I mean, what gives you chills and get your blood flowing?

00:31:33.800 I was going to say passion.

00:31:35.140 Passion.

00:31:36.040 Where does your passion lie?

00:31:37.400 If you're, it doesn't matter how motivated you are or how, how skilled you are.

00:31:41.140 If you're not passionate about what you're doing, you're not going to be as good as you could be doing something that you're passionate about.

00:31:46.260 Sure.

00:31:47.340 And America is the greatest place to express that passion because there's job, there's, I mean, you can literally do anything, you know, and you've got people who probably listen to podcasts.

00:31:57.020 That's why I work at, you know, I work at this sucky job and, you know, I'm stocking in middle management and I make a pretty good wage and I've got a wife and kids at home and I don't want to, you know, sacrifice their well-being and the things they have and the things I provided and this and that.

00:32:10.600 And okay, well, that's cool.

00:32:11.700 That's a choice too.

00:32:12.420 And that's absolutely fine.

00:32:14.960 It's absolutely fine.

00:32:16.760 But don't tell me you couldn't also do something else.

00:32:20.140 Right.

00:32:20.840 If you chose to.

00:32:22.080 Right.

00:32:23.080 I mean, I get that a lot, even with a podcast, because I've been doing this for just over four years.

00:32:28.100 Yeah.

00:32:28.680 And a lot of people reach out, hey, I want to start something similar.

00:32:30.960 I want to do something similar to what you're doing.

00:32:32.280 How did you do it?

00:32:32.880 Like, man, early mornings, late nights.

00:32:34.680 Yeah.

00:32:35.280 Because I had a nine to five.

00:32:36.320 I was working.

00:32:37.020 Yeah.

00:32:37.680 How did you, how did you do both?

00:32:39.620 What do you mean?

00:32:40.360 You just do both.

00:32:41.260 You find the time and you sleep less and you make it work.

00:32:44.200 It's not permanent.

00:32:45.100 Right.

00:32:45.540 But that's what it requires.

00:32:48.600 I think that's a little bit lost.

00:32:50.320 And I think it's because of that tunnel vision.

00:32:53.380 Well, it's immediate gratification.

00:32:55.840 You're pointing at your device right now.

00:32:57.500 On-demand lifestyle.

00:32:58.460 That's what I'm saying.

00:32:59.080 Somebody sees somebody's success.

00:33:02.140 And because they don't have face-to-face personal interaction with that individual.

00:33:06.420 Like, I know you guys.

00:33:07.360 I know to some degree, some of the struggles that you've been through personally and professionally

00:33:12.060 as well.

00:33:13.120 But if I'm just following you on Instagram, I don't know any of that stuff.

00:33:16.180 All I see is you guys have the Midas touch, right?

00:33:18.940 Everything.

00:33:19.680 No.

00:33:20.180 That's funny.

00:33:21.480 Yeah.

00:33:21.720 You laugh because you know it's not true.

00:33:25.040 Right.

00:33:25.440 Right.

00:33:26.060 But if all I see on social media is all the highlights, well, I think, well, what the hell's

00:33:32.100 wrong with me?

00:33:33.460 Everything these guys do turns to gold and everything I do falls apart.

00:33:37.920 That's because we don't have face-to-face interaction.

00:33:40.400 Yeah.

00:33:40.720 And we don't see other individuals in the trenches and the years and years of effort and

00:33:46.400 toil and setbacks and failures that got them to the point they are right now.

00:33:50.960 Exactly.

00:33:52.520 Exactly.

00:33:53.140 And everybody that's had success has paid the price.

00:34:00.080 They've all paid the price.

00:34:03.420 I think a lot of people don't want to pay the price.

00:34:06.200 Well, I agree with that.

00:34:07.180 You know, I think that's key to this conversation is thinking big.

00:34:11.140 Well, how can I think big when I'm doing it?

00:34:12.280 Well, it's not that you're thinking small, wanting to support your family and support that

00:34:18.280 lifestyle.

00:34:18.620 That's not small thinking.

00:34:20.980 That is actually, you're actually sacrificing maybe some things you want to do in your passions

00:34:27.240 for the greater good of your family.

00:34:28.960 Right.

00:34:29.080 That's cool, too.

00:34:30.000 Right.

00:34:30.660 That's most everybody.

00:34:32.100 You know, and I don't want to like say that's not a good thing to do.

00:34:37.820 That's a wonderful thing to do.

00:34:39.520 I have caused my wife gray hair.

00:34:42.280 I have sacrificed time with my children.

00:34:45.200 I try to make every sporting event, but I'm going to miss one or two every year.

00:34:48.640 I have sacrificed events and in finding that balance, you know, has been difficult.

00:34:55.860 It's been super difficult.

00:34:57.540 Most people don't want to do that.

00:34:59.660 You know, most people don't want to do that, but it is within everyone.

00:35:03.200 It is within everyone.

00:35:04.660 Do you think?

00:35:05.500 I don't know.

00:35:06.340 I honestly don't.

00:35:07.260 I'm going to tell you why.

00:35:08.660 Because we're no different than the first ones we're talking about.

00:35:14.720 I'm strictly talking about America right now.

00:35:16.020 We're no different than the first ones.

00:35:18.480 Yeah, but of the first ones, there were those who just wanted to get by as well.

00:35:23.900 But they didn't have that.

00:35:25.700 They didn't have the option to just get by when we were building the foundations of the country.

00:35:31.460 You fought in the wars.

00:35:33.120 You helped build the factories.

00:35:34.820 You helped make the bricks.

00:35:36.040 You made the footwear.

00:35:38.160 You made, you wove the fat.

00:35:39.260 Like you did everything that this country needed in the industrial revolution, whether you were a farmer or a factory worker, whatever you were, you didn't have a choice.

00:35:48.460 So is everyone-

00:35:49.160 But let me ask you this, though.

00:35:49.900 Sure.

00:35:50.280 Was that a byproduct?

00:35:51.800 Because some people didn't even make the trip.

00:35:54.700 Sure.

00:35:55.140 So was that a byproduct of their ancestors who came before, who ingrained that into them that, hey, we fight, we toil, we labor?

00:36:07.320 You see what I'm saying?

00:36:08.480 Versus those that I'm not going to America.

00:36:10.920 This new country was American.

00:36:12.480 I'm not going to this new place on this new adventure.

00:36:14.900 That sounds ridiculous.

00:36:15.860 I'm staying here.

00:36:16.600 I'm comfortable here.

00:36:17.440 Well, I mean, at some point, at some point in life, at least once in your life, some type of survival mechanism is going to kick into your brain.

00:36:26.140 I don't know what it really, what is it, what chemical that gets released?

00:36:29.300 You mean like adrenaline?

00:36:30.580 Is it adrenaline or serotonin?

00:36:32.100 When you're put in a, like a fight or flight?

00:36:34.600 Not fight or flight.

00:36:36.540 Let's say, let's say fight or flight.

00:36:38.740 What is it?

00:36:39.400 Is it?

00:36:40.260 Essentially, it's adrenaline.

00:36:41.500 Okay.

00:36:41.740 You're either going to run or you're going to die.

00:36:45.320 You're going to have the stress, like cortisol and things like that.

00:36:47.540 Okay.

00:36:47.880 Exactly.

00:36:48.760 So everyone is going to be put into that category at some point in their life.

00:36:54.440 No doubt.

00:36:55.140 I just like to force it.

00:36:57.460 Why?

00:36:58.740 Because it feels freaking good, man.

00:37:00.920 I enjoy it.

00:37:02.020 I don't think that.

00:37:02.840 I enjoy it.

00:37:03.420 But is that unique?

00:37:05.600 Is it?

00:37:05.940 I don't, I mean.

00:37:07.200 Because I don't think everybody enjoys it.

00:37:08.740 Oh, really?

00:37:09.580 Yeah, man.

00:37:10.140 I know there's plenty of people, like, who can't, you know, they have the slightest

00:37:13.600 sign of adversity and they blow up.

00:37:17.200 Why do people bike?

00:37:18.700 Why do they hike?

00:37:19.500 Why do they run?

00:37:20.300 Why do they do activities?

00:37:22.320 I mean, it's the same thing.

00:37:23.240 They're trying to get the same type of release.

00:37:25.380 They're trying to get that release through activity.

00:37:28.860 What's the balance, though, between, so I think human nature is probably to find better,

00:37:36.360 more efficient, effective ways of doing things.

00:37:40.140 And so that's, like, a level of comfort and complacency, right?

00:37:44.660 Like, I want to do this as easy.

00:37:45.820 I'm lazy.

00:37:46.500 I want to do this as easy as possible.

00:37:47.860 Yeah.

00:37:48.500 Versus I want to push hard.

00:37:51.260 Yeah, I'm going to look for an efficient way to do it, but I'm going to go above and

00:37:53.640 beyond what is expected.

00:37:56.180 You see what I'm saying?

00:37:57.360 Yeah.

00:37:57.780 I do see what you're saying.

00:37:58.760 And I think that instinctually we do seek comfort.

00:38:01.760 Right.

00:38:02.000 Like, we seek to innovate and drive technology to make things easier, more comfortable.

00:38:08.000 I can put on my iWatch and I can look at this podcast.

00:38:10.880 Look at the studio, man.

00:38:11.360 We have to cut this table a certain size so we could rest our arms on it.

00:38:14.640 Right.

00:38:15.120 And articulate the freaking mics.

00:38:16.920 And you already had mics, right?

00:38:18.560 And you already had a place to do something.

00:38:20.600 We want them to be bigger and better.

00:38:21.960 Right.

00:38:22.200 You know, more comfortable, more natural like this.

00:38:25.800 So what drives that?

00:38:27.560 We talked about, you know, we talked about wash off the comfort.

00:38:30.960 Yeah.

00:38:31.200 Remember?

00:38:31.700 Yeah.

00:38:31.920 There was a point where I think it was last year, probably middle towards the third quarter

00:38:38.880 of last year.

00:38:39.680 I talked about it on our podcast and I said, I kind of woke up one day and I was like,

00:38:46.000 oh, this is good.

00:38:46.860 Business is good.

00:38:47.680 It's growing.

00:38:48.240 Um, everything's smooth, too smooth.

00:38:53.760 It's comfortable.

00:38:54.800 Right.

00:38:55.200 And I stopped myself and I was like, whoa, what this is, that's not cool.

00:39:00.280 Like that's, it's, and you know, and I said, wash off the, I felt like I needed to wash

00:39:04.100 off the comfort.

00:39:05.360 It's dirty.

00:39:06.380 Why do you feel that's necessary?

00:39:08.840 I think that's the point I'm getting.

00:39:10.460 Yeah.

00:39:10.720 I'm getting what you're putting down.

00:39:12.300 I'm on page with you guys.

00:39:14.360 I can tell you exactly why.

00:39:15.400 And it's because there's no growth in the comfort zone.

00:39:17.720 There's no growth.

00:39:19.100 If you're comfortable, you're not growing.

00:39:21.320 If you're comfortable as a company, you're not moving forward.

00:39:24.180 You're not growing.

00:39:25.140 You're not expanding and you will die.

00:39:27.840 I think that, I mean, I agree with that.

00:39:29.960 Yeah.

00:39:30.160 I think where most people come from is they think to themselves, well, I don't want to

00:39:34.980 rock the boat because I don't want to fall out of the boat.

00:39:37.760 Right.

00:39:38.160 I just want to stay in the boat.

00:39:39.200 But what they don't realize is that if they stay on the boat, it's going towards a waterfall

00:39:43.100 and they're about to fall over that, that ledge.

00:39:45.720 They don't even realize that yet.

00:39:46.840 They just want to stay in the boat.

00:39:47.880 It's like, maybe this route's not the best right now.

00:39:50.460 Right.

00:39:52.240 It's the same reason.

00:39:53.480 I'm fascinated by this.

00:39:55.740 Women, and I guess men too, who stay in abusive relationships.

00:39:58.760 Yeah.

00:39:59.320 They know it's bad for them.

00:40:01.160 They know it's abusive.

00:40:02.660 They know it's a dangerous situation.

00:40:04.720 They may even have kids in the situation.

00:40:06.880 And yet they go back into that situation again and again and again.

00:40:10.900 Why do they do that?

00:40:12.120 Because the fear of the unknown is greater than the pain of what they're currently experiencing.

00:40:19.120 Well, exactly.

00:40:19.960 And I can tell you that firsthand.

00:40:21.580 Because we have helped folks, women in our factory who have been in those relationships

00:40:28.100 and help them get out.

00:40:30.260 And a big part of it is control, is feeling like you're not someone without, let's say,

00:40:41.220 that person in that abusive relationship.

00:40:44.100 Maybe you're not there.

00:40:45.980 You don't feel like you're there intellectually.

00:40:49.680 Maybe you're not there financially.

00:40:52.360 And you don't have the support system to help.

00:40:54.900 And it goes right back to my original statement.

00:40:56.880 For me, it's having some type of support system.

00:40:59.840 When you, you know, you ever heard the phrase, the right words can convince kings?

00:41:05.640 You ever heard that?

00:41:06.580 I haven't heard that.

00:41:07.940 I think it might be actually a biblical term.

00:41:09.760 But the right words can convince kings.

00:41:11.800 And it's true.

00:41:13.360 Like when you're helping someone, the right words you can see trigger that person.

00:41:19.040 And again, I'm talking about the, I was saying adrenaline or whatever it is.

00:41:23.120 But you can see when someone physically changes.

00:41:26.360 Like, oh, oh, I can do this.

00:41:28.800 Oh, I can do it.

00:41:30.620 You know?

00:41:31.260 And maybe that's not fight or flight.

00:41:33.080 But I know we've helped a few folks get out of bad relationships.

00:41:37.240 And what you just said is the exact key right there.

00:41:39.920 And you mentioned people staying in these bad relationships.

00:41:42.760 And the one thing I hear from these, that happen to be women,

00:41:45.680 women who get out of these relationships is, I didn't know that I could do it.

00:41:50.280 It's like the fear of not knowing that they could do it trumped the fear that they were

00:41:55.560 in living in that household or that abusive person.

00:41:57.840 They were so scared of failing, getting away.

00:42:00.060 They didn't even try.

00:42:00.780 And for one of those women, right, to get out of that relationship is like building a massive

00:42:09.860 company for an entrepreneur.

00:42:12.160 The feat is...

00:42:13.060 Just daunting.

00:42:14.040 Dude, the feat is as great.

00:42:16.680 The feat is as great.

00:42:17.860 The way they had to mentally process and push forward through the struggle to be able to

00:42:23.700 do that is just...

00:42:24.880 I would say it's even greater.

00:42:27.060 I would say it's even greater because it's terrifying.

00:42:31.900 It's absolutely terrifying for them.

00:42:36.020 So for them, that is thinking big.

00:42:40.920 And I don't think we can pigeonhole that statement.

00:42:44.540 No, you don't want to discount that.

00:42:45.660 No, definitely don't want to.

00:42:47.240 For them, it is thinking big.

00:42:48.600 It's as big as they could ever think.

00:42:50.880 So I think that's a great analogy to thinking big isn't maybe not just building a company,

00:42:57.260 you know, or thinking big is taking a bunch of people up on the Allagash and trying to

00:43:01.260 survive.

00:43:02.000 Yeah.

00:43:02.840 That's thinking big.

00:43:03.640 Yeah.

00:43:04.340 You know, so it depends.

00:43:06.520 It's relative.

00:43:07.380 How do you know for you, since it's all relative for you guys, how do you know when it's big

00:43:12.260 enough?

00:43:12.660 Like, well, let's take the podcast studio because we're sitting in there.

00:43:19.340 Yeah.

00:43:19.640 You probably could have done more and bigger and grander and greater.

00:43:23.400 So like, how do you know like, oh, this is where we want it.

00:43:25.840 This is the level we want it to.

00:43:27.120 Is it just a matter of resources?

00:43:28.680 Is it a matter of effectiveness?

00:43:29.800 I just think it's a matter of, of, of vision.

00:43:34.640 How big, I said something once on our podcast, I don't know if you remember this, Brian, you

00:43:40.640 know why I love science fiction movies?

00:43:43.500 Because it came from someone's mind.

00:43:47.200 And I think anything that comes from someone's mind could be possible.

00:43:51.700 Why else would you be able to think of it?

00:43:53.760 Why would you look at the heavens?

00:43:56.260 Why would you look at the stars?

00:43:57.680 Why do you look out and, and think of these crazy, crazy things?

00:44:03.920 It's how technology is built.

00:44:06.020 We want to build, we want to create, and it's limitless really what our brains can gel

00:44:14.160 together.

00:44:15.420 And I feel like if your brain can gel it together, well, your hands can gel it together

00:44:18.960 too.

00:44:19.320 And so it's a matter of what do you have for vision?

00:44:23.560 You know, what is your vision?

00:44:24.660 Because it's going to start with that and you got to have motivation and you've got to

00:44:30.720 have some naivety.

00:44:31.580 You've got to be naive to believe you can put what's in your brain out there.

00:44:36.800 But the only one stopping you is you.

00:44:40.760 It's really the case.

00:44:42.280 The only one stopping you is you.

00:44:43.800 Yeah.

00:44:44.600 So.

00:44:45.400 I like that you said naive.

00:44:46.920 I've, I've, I've used the term a little delusional in the past.

00:44:51.560 Maybe even a lack of self-awareness to a degree, right?

00:44:55.420 Like, I don't know if it's self-awareness or you, you see what I'm getting at?

00:44:58.320 I don't like delusional though.

00:44:58.960 I know.

00:44:59.420 Because delusional means you're not, you're not on planet earth.

00:45:02.080 Right.

00:45:02.400 You're not.

00:45:02.820 Naive means you can do it against the grain because everyone's saying you can't.

00:45:06.920 Right.

00:45:07.380 That's different.

00:45:07.880 Oh, you're naive.

00:45:09.800 Yeah.

00:45:09.980 No, that makes sense.

00:45:10.820 I like that distinction and it is because you're not ordinary to other people.

00:45:17.460 Right.

00:45:17.780 So they look around and they think, oh, why are they doing this?

00:45:20.160 And I don't understand.

00:45:20.920 And why did he doesn't need that?

00:45:22.600 Or he doesn't need to do this.

00:45:24.060 And people can't fathom that they can't wrap their heads around it.

00:45:28.080 You were talking about that when you were trying to secure some funding early in the business.

00:45:32.600 Yeah.

00:45:33.380 And, and they didn't understand.

00:45:36.360 They just couldn't understand.

00:45:38.100 I have basic conversations like this every day.

00:45:40.540 I ask people, ask me, what do you do?

00:45:41.680 I tell them, what are you talking about?

00:45:44.220 I have people ask me that about you.

00:45:46.500 Right.

00:45:47.360 I actually have many.

00:45:49.300 So what, so what exactly does Ryan do?

00:45:51.580 Yeah.

00:45:52.300 I don't even like answering that question anymore.

00:45:54.260 Right.

00:45:54.660 Because I can't, what do I do?

00:45:57.320 I, I talk.

00:45:59.080 And do you get paid for that?

00:46:01.900 Yeah.

00:46:02.460 Yeah.

00:46:03.240 Pretty well, actually.

00:46:04.520 Right.

00:46:05.240 But people can't fathom it.

00:46:07.720 And rather, it's weird because rather than trying to understand, and that's what we should

00:46:11.240 be doing.

00:46:12.340 Like when I see somebody succeed, like this whole, like Jay-Z, I think was just labeled

00:46:16.800 as a-

00:46:17.180 The rapper?

00:46:17.840 Yeah.

00:46:18.180 As a, as a billionaire, self-made billionaire.

00:46:20.040 Okay.

00:46:21.080 And, and people are like, well, he had this and this and this and whatever, all kinds of

00:46:24.640 reasons.

00:46:25.060 I'm like, dude, forget about all that.

00:46:28.180 Just think about how he did it.

00:46:30.200 Yeah.

00:46:31.180 Like what about him?

00:46:32.480 What about his personality?

00:46:33.800 What about his skillset?

00:46:35.060 What about him allowed him to get in that?

00:46:37.860 You don't have to like the guy.

00:46:39.800 You don't have to think he's a moral person necessarily.

00:46:44.720 There's something about him that he did, that he created.

00:46:47.680 Like we should be trying to figure that out.

00:46:49.820 Not, oh, I don't get it.

00:46:51.380 I'm out and check out.

00:46:52.620 I mean, I agree.

00:46:54.020 I think a lot of times you're going to find with people like that, and I can totally relate.

00:46:59.240 You think they're running towards something when indeed they're running from something.

00:47:06.300 Other individuals you're saying?

00:47:07.640 Yeah.

00:47:08.080 Other individuals.

00:47:08.960 I mean, and, and I'll say it about me.

00:47:11.180 Like I'm, I'm really not running towards, like when you say not what's an, what's like

00:47:14.920 enough, like, well, I'm, I'm running away from something.

00:47:19.220 I'm not running towards something.

00:47:21.500 I'm running, I'm running away from, from something, you know?

00:47:26.060 And, and well.

00:47:26.840 You're talking about what's driving you?

00:47:28.800 Yeah.

00:47:29.040 That's where the drive comes from.

00:47:30.480 And I know you're the same way.

00:47:32.000 Yeah.

00:47:32.380 And there's a similar perspective.

00:47:34.020 And that's the reason why we've, I think, naturally organically aligned on a lot of

00:47:38.600 different things.

00:47:39.220 And I've just, when you, for me, and I think you would say the same, when you've come from

00:47:48.360 nothing, you have a lot to, I look at it as like a superpower.

00:47:53.320 Like, I'm thankful now that I didn't grow up with a lot.

00:48:00.160 Yeah.

00:48:01.000 You know, I grew up a lot more privileged than a lot of people, but I didn't grow up with

00:48:06.680 a lot.

00:48:07.220 And Pete was the same way.

00:48:09.020 We like joking around like, Hey, did you have the government block of cheese?

00:48:11.780 Oh yeah.

00:48:12.160 Yeah.

00:48:12.440 Oh, I had that cheese in the house.

00:48:13.920 You know that the big cans, you know, would you have a cereal?

00:48:16.600 No sugar cereal.

00:48:17.780 Just O's man.

00:48:18.820 Just O's.

00:48:20.340 No, not cherry O's.

00:48:21.260 Just O's.

00:48:23.520 You know.

00:48:23.960 No cheer in your O's.

00:48:25.100 Yeah.

00:48:25.640 I give him shit because he had honey.

00:48:27.000 There's no cheer.

00:48:28.020 Yeah.

00:48:28.500 I had honey.

00:48:29.280 My mom's player just on honey.

00:48:31.100 Oh, okay.

00:48:31.820 You had honey.

00:48:32.540 And we had it so frigging good.

00:48:34.820 Oh yeah.

00:48:35.100 You know, so good compared to a lot of people in the world.

00:48:38.660 Go back to kids being homeless.

00:48:40.740 Yeah.

00:48:41.040 Yeah.

00:48:41.240 I was never homeless.

00:48:42.000 Exactly.

00:48:42.100 I had a home.

00:48:42.740 I'm still running from it though.

00:48:44.740 But you didn't think that at the time.

00:48:46.620 Or did you?

00:48:47.400 Always.

00:48:48.240 That you had it better off than other people?

00:48:49.920 Oh, at the time?

00:48:51.440 My mom and my dad for that instance used to, I think it was my dad who used to say, there's

00:48:58.880 a lot of starving kids in China.

00:49:00.320 Right.

00:49:00.960 Yeah.

00:49:01.520 Yeah.

00:49:02.640 We got that when we had to finish our meal.

00:49:04.680 Yeah.

00:49:05.100 Yeah.

00:49:05.340 Yeah.

00:49:05.600 Finish the meal.

00:49:06.280 I was so stubborn though.

00:49:07.820 I remember one time we were at a friend's house and this is kind of a side story.

00:49:11.160 And they had made spaghetti and they had nine kids.

00:49:15.080 It was the Walsh's.

00:49:16.240 You remember?

00:49:16.680 You went to school with them.

00:49:17.720 I did.

00:49:18.060 And we had four.

00:49:19.120 So it was a bunch of kids.

00:49:19.880 They made this huge spaghetti meal with a sauce and they made all the kids sit down

00:49:23.500 and eat and something tasted bad.

00:49:26.940 And we were going to watch Superman 1 for the first time ever.

00:49:30.540 And I was just a young'un and maybe nine years old, eight years old.

00:49:37.120 And Mrs. Walsh was like, you're going to eat that food.

00:49:44.200 And my mom was there backing her up.

00:49:46.480 You're going to eat that food or you're not going to watch the movie.

00:49:48.880 And I said, well, I'm going to sit here with you because I'm not touching it.

00:49:55.860 And all the other kids were like gagging it down.

00:49:59.300 All the other, what was there?

00:50:01.700 Nine, the 13s, all the 12 kids were gagging it down.

00:50:05.360 And I sat there for hours until finally, like, he's actually not going to eat that food.

00:50:13.640 He's actually not going to eat that food.

00:50:15.760 And I got in trouble for it.

00:50:17.400 And finally, I said, why don't you taste it?

00:50:19.920 And they tasted it and the sauce that was on it had gone bad.

00:50:26.580 And they were like, oh, my God.

00:50:28.200 Like, my mom was like, that is, like, horrid.

00:50:32.200 And I was like, thank you.

00:50:34.300 So, for watching Superman, I want to watch frigging Superman so bad, dude.

00:50:39.780 So bad.

00:50:40.600 But, you know, it's, I think some of it, you know, comes down to, like, are you going to assimilate?

00:50:48.300 And I say all my siblings and I say everybody else at their table, they assimilated, you know, because they were commanded to do something.

00:50:56.720 Right.

00:50:57.780 And for me, I never really enjoyed authority too much.

00:51:03.440 And, I mean, that's just, you know, fundamentally, I never really enjoyed authority.

00:51:07.960 And I always felt from a young age that if you can look up into the heavens and you can see something, I really believed when they told us in school, you can do anything.

00:51:22.460 I really, I believed it.

00:51:25.000 When they said you can do anything in life, I was like, that's badass from a young age.

00:51:31.140 And I've never stopped believing it.

00:51:34.260 And I never will.

00:51:35.440 You can actually do anything.

00:51:37.820 You might have to go against the grain.

00:51:40.140 You might get looked at like you're weird or crazy.

00:51:43.060 But you really can't achieve anything.

00:51:45.460 Do you guys think, coming from your background, what you're talking about now, and I've known a lot of successful people that I think are this way, that you have any sort of chip on your shoulder or feel like I've got something to prove and that's what's driving?

00:52:02.340 I always do.

00:52:04.620 Absolutely.

00:52:05.460 Yeah.

00:52:05.980 Growing up, I watched my father.

00:52:08.900 He was very much business-minded.

00:52:12.260 He owned a successful business for a few years in the early 80s before I was born.

00:52:19.280 And something happened to it.

00:52:20.560 It was gone by the time I came around.

00:52:22.840 And by the time I was born, we had nothing.

00:52:26.820 And I watched him try and restart different things over and over again.

00:52:33.040 And it allowed him to do two things.

00:52:37.320 One, fail a lot and have me learn from it.

00:52:40.040 And two, be there for me growing up way more than he was for my brothers.

00:52:46.680 And he was older at the time.

00:52:48.120 I was the youngest.

00:52:49.860 And he was able to coach and be a community leader.

00:52:54.340 But we didn't have a lot growing up.

00:52:57.440 And it showed me what I wanted to be also.

00:53:00.640 But it showed me what I didn't want to do.

00:53:02.480 And then that was the fail.

00:53:03.640 And that's been a driving force for me.

00:53:07.800 For sure.

00:53:08.820 And I'd say, to add to that,

00:53:11.800 if the chip, as you go through life,

00:53:19.060 if you're trying to think big and do things big,

00:53:21.620 it doesn't...

00:53:22.320 The chip, at first, it's light.

00:53:25.420 Right?

00:53:26.780 But it's actually got weight to it.

00:53:28.720 And it gets heavy.

00:53:30.620 And it really becomes just a straight-up weight.

00:53:33.820 Not a chip, necessarily.

00:53:35.460 Because as you create momentum,

00:53:38.340 you're carrying weight.

00:53:40.880 And you're constantly proving to yourself

00:53:44.100 your own words and your own ideas.

00:53:47.380 Again, we play the mental gymnastics.

00:53:48.940 So you're constantly proving to yourself

00:53:51.200 these ideas are possible.

00:53:53.440 And it starts out maybe trying to prove it

00:53:56.540 to everyone else.

00:53:57.460 Just to start, though.

00:53:58.740 Just to start.

00:54:00.760 But then it becomes more about,

00:54:03.640 well,

00:54:05.060 am I going to buy into

00:54:08.440 what everyone else is saying?

00:54:11.100 Or am I going to actually buy into

00:54:12.280 what I think,

00:54:13.920 what I believe?

00:54:15.060 There's eventually got to be that real buy-in.

00:54:17.480 And then that chip becomes less of a chip.

00:54:20.080 Yeah.

00:54:20.380 And more of confidence.

00:54:21.840 You get into more of a stride.

00:54:24.460 You know?

00:54:25.480 And a lot of reflection.

00:54:28.320 And you learn humble,

00:54:29.980 how to be humble through

00:54:30.980 sheer force of nature.

00:54:33.860 Yeah.

00:54:35.380 So I think it definitely starts out

00:54:37.680 that way for most people.

00:54:40.100 Yeah, I agree with that, too.

00:54:41.480 I mean, I look at my situation

00:54:42.620 with my father being out of the picture.

00:54:44.080 And I think to myself now,

00:54:45.620 where that's such a priority for me as a father,

00:54:47.580 that comes from not wanting to be like that.

00:54:49.740 Like, I'm going to show.

00:54:50.700 Was your dad an alcoholic?

00:54:53.000 No, not an...

00:54:53.880 I mean, he was into drugs and alcohol

00:54:55.660 and not in the picture.

00:54:57.760 Yeah.

00:54:57.960 Yeah, so I didn't have that example.

00:54:59.860 I didn't have that around.

00:55:01.120 And now I refuse to let that happen for my kids.

00:55:03.540 Yeah, so you're running from something.

00:55:05.760 So what are you running towards?

00:55:07.920 I think being the model father.

00:55:11.600 And does that have a limit?

00:55:13.920 No.

00:55:14.460 Well, business doesn't either.

00:55:15.520 There's no limit.

00:55:16.260 Life doesn't either.

00:55:18.320 You know?

00:55:18.880 Yeah.

00:55:19.940 Yeah.

00:55:21.060 It's interesting as you talk about

00:55:22.840 other people's standard or expectation, right?

00:55:27.300 Because a lot of us try to do that

00:55:29.160 to prove to other people.

00:55:30.700 The problem is that it's usually lowered, right?

00:55:34.740 It's lower than what you should be holding yourself to.

00:55:38.140 I remember when I was early

00:55:39.720 in my financial planning practice,

00:55:40.980 we had a trainer come into our office

00:55:43.760 and he was a high, high producing advisor.

00:55:46.280 He came into our office to do some training

00:55:48.120 and our general agent at the time said,

00:55:51.280 you should come to this office.

00:55:52.780 You're going to be the highest producing.

00:55:53.980 You'd be the highest producing agent in this office.

00:55:56.620 And I remember he looked at him stone cold and said,

00:55:59.560 I don't want to be the highest producer in this office.

00:56:02.260 I want to be the highest producer, period.

00:56:05.540 Right.

00:56:06.580 And that's what happens when we fall prey

00:56:08.700 to comparing ourselves to everybody else.

00:56:11.200 Because what we'll inevitably do

00:56:12.820 is surround ourselves with people

00:56:14.100 who aren't as far along the track as we are

00:56:16.880 so that we can be better than the next guy.

00:56:20.400 I think that goes with thinking big too,

00:56:22.160 is like surrounding yourself with the right people.

00:56:24.860 That's why I'm honored to be here with you guys

00:56:26.420 is because what you're doing within your business,

00:56:28.720 I see that I have aspirational growth

00:56:30.440 for the same things

00:56:31.360 and I got to put myself in that environment.

00:56:33.340 Yeah, absolutely.

00:56:34.200 I mean, Brian moved here from Ohio.

00:56:36.080 Yeah, that's right.

00:56:36.840 Yeah.

00:56:37.060 I grew up in the state of Maine,

00:56:38.640 but everybody said I was crazy when I had...

00:56:43.160 So I went to school,

00:56:44.360 went back to school for business,

00:56:46.020 graduated,

00:56:47.380 had a job lined up for a financial company.

00:56:50.560 It flopped last minute.

00:56:52.900 I was out.

00:56:53.740 I fell back on what I knew

00:56:54.860 and that was doing concrete.

00:56:57.440 So for three years,

00:56:58.680 I started doing concrete.

00:57:00.460 I started a side business

00:57:01.920 and I was doing those things

00:57:03.620 and I was actually making pretty good money

00:57:06.340 doing concrete.

00:57:07.060 I had worked my way up.

00:57:07.920 I was leading a team of finishers

00:57:09.200 and I had made some smart financial decisions,

00:57:15.260 bought a foreclosed home in the Midwest,

00:57:16.900 which was everywhere,

00:57:18.140 rebuilt it myself.

00:57:19.760 So I was pretty comfortable

00:57:21.000 and I had just went up to Maine

00:57:26.040 on a break to visit family

00:57:28.420 and I was training jujitsu

00:57:29.700 and I sought out the factory

00:57:32.440 very early on when it was very new.

00:57:37.060 and walked in

00:57:39.480 and the same year,

00:57:42.700 I'm backtracking a bit,

00:57:44.380 but the same year

00:57:45.040 I was graduating from school for business,

00:57:47.900 I had a professor tell me

00:57:49.440 that American manufacturing was dead.

00:57:51.700 Ooh.

00:57:52.060 And I had another one say,

00:57:55.160 no,

00:57:55.360 it's cyclical

00:57:55.940 and don't worry,

00:57:56.800 it'll come back.

00:57:58.500 And I became kind of obsessive with this

00:58:00.640 and when I found out about origin,

00:58:01.880 that's what brought me up there

00:58:03.040 and wanting to train jujitsu,

00:58:06.300 of course.

00:58:07.460 So I walk into the factory,

00:58:08.620 I see the factory

00:58:09.240 and I see the loom

00:58:10.260 running,

00:58:12.120 weaving fabric.

00:58:12.780 If you don't know anything about looms,

00:58:15.580 not only is it crazy,

00:58:16.680 but you can't just,

00:58:18.240 there's not a lot of places

00:58:19.160 in the United States

00:58:19.840 where you can go in

00:58:20.360 and watch a loom run.

00:58:22.080 I saw this

00:58:22.900 and it was,

00:58:23.400 it was a moment

00:58:25.700 when I knew

00:58:26.580 like two intellectual people

00:58:29.380 that I highly respected a lot.

00:58:31.200 One was right

00:58:31.980 and one was wrong.

00:58:33.060 Hmm.

00:58:35.180 And that was so motivating for me.

00:58:36.880 I went back to Ohio

00:58:37.700 and I told my wife,

00:58:38.840 I said,

00:58:40.060 I talked to Pete

00:58:42.580 and I'm gonna quit my job

00:58:46.600 where I make pretty good money

00:58:49.060 and I'm gonna put geese in my trunk

00:58:51.640 and I'm gonna drive around the country

00:58:52.780 and sell them.

00:58:55.480 And that's how it started.

00:58:58.260 Yeah.

00:58:58.640 What was her response to that?

00:59:02.260 Initially she was like,

00:59:03.360 you're crazy.

00:59:04.800 But she knows I have a history

00:59:06.800 of making some pretty crazy ideas.

00:59:09.940 Like I said,

00:59:10.620 I bought a foreclosed home

00:59:11.700 and moved us into it

00:59:12.620 and renovated it at the same time,

00:59:14.400 which was pretty crazy.

00:59:16.400 But you had that support system.

00:59:17.980 I did.

00:59:18.760 Now what if you went home?

00:59:19.640 She had my back.

00:59:20.500 What if,

00:59:20.800 what if you went home

00:59:21.520 and Meg was like,

00:59:22.400 no,

00:59:23.360 you're not doing that.

00:59:25.020 Yeah.

00:59:25.340 If she'd said something like,

00:59:26.320 you do that

00:59:27.180 and I'm leaving.

00:59:28.340 Yeah.

00:59:28.600 Like,

00:59:29.140 guess what?

00:59:29.700 Guess what?

00:59:30.260 I wouldn't,

00:59:31.160 probably wouldn't have done it.

00:59:32.040 Probably wouldn't have done it.

00:59:32.900 Yeah.

00:59:33.000 And I think that a lot of men

00:59:33.940 run into that,

00:59:34.800 you know,

00:59:35.240 and that has to do with choices.

00:59:36.800 You know,

00:59:38.000 it has to do with choices.

00:59:39.040 So that support system is important.

00:59:40.840 But also what I extract from that story

00:59:43.280 that she was supportive

00:59:44.420 and just in your,

00:59:45.820 your home renovation story there

00:59:47.200 is that you had proven

00:59:48.660 worthy of following.

00:59:51.200 Absolutely.

00:59:51.600 Right.

00:59:51.720 Because if you,

00:59:52.560 and I'm sure there's more instances

00:59:54.100 than just the renovation,

00:59:55.580 but if you hadn't done that

00:59:58.060 and,

01:00:00.040 and all your track record was,

01:00:01.480 was sloppy

01:00:02.340 and half-assed

01:00:04.300 and you don't complete things,

01:00:06.440 you don't follow through on things,

01:00:08.140 there's no way she's like,

01:00:10.220 okay,

01:00:11.040 I trust you.

01:00:11.960 I believe in you.

01:00:13.080 It's scary,

01:00:13.760 but let's do it.

01:00:14.780 There's no way you built that

01:00:16.080 before this opportunity presented itself.

01:00:19.060 Yeah,

01:00:19.300 absolutely.

01:00:20.120 Yeah.

01:00:20.380 That,

01:00:20.620 that trust had to be,

01:00:21.840 had to be earned from her

01:00:23.060 and,

01:00:23.240 and,

01:00:24.180 uh,

01:00:24.540 you built out that,

01:00:26.720 that,

01:00:27.220 that emotional equity,

01:00:28.920 that social equity

01:00:29.820 in your partner.

01:00:30.860 For sure.

01:00:31.540 And,

01:00:31.860 and that,

01:00:32.260 that's real equity.

01:00:33.620 You know,

01:00:34.220 like it doesn't happen overnight.

01:00:35.940 You gotta,

01:00:36.800 you gotta,

01:00:37.340 you gotta build that

01:00:38.280 bank account of equity

01:00:39.680 so that you can,

01:00:41.060 you can gain that trust

01:00:42.260 to make a big step like that,

01:00:44.240 a big jump like that.

01:00:45.820 You know,

01:00:47.000 that's important.

01:00:48.000 Well,

01:00:48.160 what's next for you guys?

01:00:49.180 Thinking big here,

01:00:50.140 talking about thinking big.

01:00:51.420 What are we looking at here?

01:00:52.660 What's next?

01:00:53.760 What can you disclose anyways?

01:00:55.380 I know there's little inner workings

01:00:56.780 that maybe you can't fully disclose with me,

01:00:58.840 but.

01:00:59.360 We're pretty open.

01:01:00.240 Yeah.

01:01:00.500 To a lot of our ideas

01:01:01.500 and pretty bold.

01:01:02.440 And again,

01:01:03.660 the same ideas that we're doing now

01:01:06.020 or that we've done

01:01:07.820 that people said we were absolutely crazy.

01:01:09.640 We'll probably tell you about

01:01:10.540 some of those ideas

01:01:11.340 and people are going to say we're crazy.

01:01:13.420 For sure.

01:01:13.880 I told,

01:01:14.740 I told Ryan some of the insider stuff we're doing

01:01:17.620 like with the documentary

01:01:18.860 and stuff like that.

01:01:19.820 Um,

01:01:22.000 what.

01:01:26.000 I would say,

01:01:27.280 I would say a little bit

01:01:28.960 we're chasing a ghost,

01:01:30.780 you know,

01:01:31.920 um,

01:01:32.420 and,

01:01:32.820 and I know that

01:01:33.760 there's someone chasing us,

01:01:35.660 you know,

01:01:37.480 and,

01:01:37.620 and that,

01:01:38.200 and,

01:01:38.600 and I would say metaphorically

01:01:41.100 we're still running,

01:01:44.020 you know,

01:01:45.500 and when,

01:01:46.000 and,

01:01:46.220 and when you stop running,

01:01:48.500 you know,

01:01:49.980 you,

01:01:50.260 you know that you're at a point where

01:01:52.160 you're maybe not in the game

01:01:54.360 anymore.

01:01:56.240 You know,

01:01:56.860 it comes,

01:01:57.260 like I'm,

01:01:57.680 I'm,

01:01:57.920 I'm,

01:01:58.220 I'm on the fence of playing in this alumni lacrosse game

01:02:01.400 on Saturday.

01:02:01.900 I'm on the fence about it.

01:02:03.720 I'm bouncing.

01:02:05.620 How do I want to go show those kids how,

01:02:08.080 you know,

01:02:09.220 the old man can play or do I want to save my body a little bit because I haven't sprinted in a long time.

01:02:17.880 You know,

01:02:19.140 I'm thinking about it.

01:02:21.040 And I think when you start thinking about slowing down,

01:02:24.480 um,

01:02:26.100 I think you start to,

01:02:28.060 to decide that you've hit your goals.

01:02:32.100 I think that's really a conscious decision.

01:02:35.040 If you're thinking about slowing down,

01:02:37.100 well,

01:02:37.840 okay,

01:02:38.220 you're actually,

01:02:38.920 you slow down because you're thinking about it.

01:02:41.160 Right.

01:02:42.020 And I,

01:02:43.320 I am not even close to thinking about slowing down.

01:02:47.860 Slow down when it comes to,

01:02:49.260 to this company.

01:02:50.840 Like I want to sprint faster,

01:02:53.880 go harder,

01:02:54.960 do more.

01:02:55.780 You know,

01:02:56.260 we've got 50 or 60 asses in seats.

01:02:58.360 How about 500,

01:02:59.140 600?

01:02:59.560 How about 5,000,

01:03:00.520 6,000?

01:03:02.240 You know,

01:03:02.880 and,

01:03:03.220 and I like to push,

01:03:04.640 and someone asked me,

01:03:05.500 I'll push the limit on that until that person is like,

01:03:10.160 oh,

01:03:10.620 that's crazy.

01:03:11.740 Oh,

01:03:11.920 good.

01:03:12.240 Okay.

01:03:12.760 Now I'm there.

01:03:13.480 Now I'm there.

01:03:14.220 Now I'm there.

01:03:15.200 You know,

01:03:15.340 what's funny is,

01:03:16.280 as I said that to Kip,

01:03:17.860 and he's like,

01:03:19.500 that's awesome.

01:03:20.200 Kip,

01:03:20.520 for those of you who didn't hear earlier,

01:03:22.320 the co-founder of Under Armour,

01:03:23.820 Orion introduced me to it.

01:03:26.280 And he was like,

01:03:27.080 yeah,

01:03:27.200 I want to get involved.

01:03:28.320 Yeah.

01:03:28.780 It didn't phase him one bit.

01:03:30.060 Oh,

01:03:30.240 he's like,

01:03:31.020 yeah,

01:03:31.180 let's,

01:03:31.420 let me get involved.

01:03:32.080 Let's do it.

01:03:32.560 The conversations that we've had,

01:03:34.640 his mentality is another level.

01:03:37.960 Yeah.

01:03:38.540 I love it.

01:03:39.020 I mean,

01:03:39.260 he's talking like,

01:03:41.200 like a,

01:03:41.640 like a,

01:03:42.180 a normal person,

01:03:43.980 I guess you'd say for lack of a better term,

01:03:45.540 but he's talking about abnormal things and how excited he is about pursuing it and then taking it to the next level and the next level and pushing and push.

01:03:56.080 Like right now,

01:03:56.600 in fact,

01:03:56.880 as of this recording,

01:03:57.780 he's hunting grizzly bears with a bow.

01:04:00.080 Right.

01:04:00.480 Right now.

01:04:00.820 And he's going to continue to push and push and push.

01:04:05.360 It's crazy.

01:04:06.140 Why stop?

01:04:07.700 Yeah.

01:04:08.140 And,

01:04:08.260 and,

01:04:08.660 you know,

01:04:10.480 the,

01:04:11.000 the old saying,

01:04:12.580 you know,

01:04:12.740 the world is your oyster,

01:04:13.800 man.

01:04:14.700 It really is.

01:04:16.180 It really is your oyster.

01:04:18.640 You know,

01:04:19.260 you get inside that thing and,

01:04:20.560 and figure it out and,

01:04:22.580 and keep grinding and keep pushing.

01:04:24.760 And,

01:04:24.880 and when you decide to stop,

01:04:27.520 you stop and you've,

01:04:28.800 you've hit your goals.

01:04:30.820 I just don't freaking see it with us.

01:04:32.940 I don't,

01:04:33.480 I don't see the end.

01:04:35.620 I don't see the end.

01:04:36.700 I want to keep,

01:04:37.260 keep grinding,

01:04:38.060 keep,

01:04:38.540 keep building and,

01:04:40.180 and engineering,

01:04:41.640 you know,

01:04:42.180 and,

01:04:42.300 and this wave behind us,

01:04:44.240 that's the wave of American reshoring.

01:04:47.340 We haven't even started.

01:04:49.260 We're in one tiny little town in the foothills of Maine's Western mountains.

01:04:53.640 One little podunk town.

01:04:55.340 We're nothing yet.

01:04:58.460 But you will be.

01:04:59.740 Oh yeah.

01:05:01.020 100%.

01:05:01.420 No doubt.

01:05:02.500 100%.

01:05:02.940 And that may sound arrogant and,

01:05:06.060 and,

01:05:06.540 and I hope it does a little bit.

01:05:08.760 And I hope it sounds a little bit naive because I think those are awesome,

01:05:12.420 awesome tools,

01:05:13.820 awesome tools to,

01:05:15.320 to build whatever it is you're building or do whatever it is you're doing.

01:05:19.140 So how do you balance that with,

01:05:22.140 well,

01:05:23.300 let's talk about arrogance.

01:05:24.280 I don't,

01:05:24.740 I don't see it as arrogance.

01:05:25.700 I see it as confidence and that that's been earned through a lot of trial.

01:05:29.080 Arrogance,

01:05:30.800 I think is something different.

01:05:31.800 It's,

01:05:32.000 it's,

01:05:32.320 it's inflated.

01:05:34.460 It's not,

01:05:34.900 it's nothing earned.

01:05:35.800 It's,

01:05:36.020 it's not real.

01:05:36.800 Right.

01:05:37.300 Right.

01:05:37.460 It's just made up.

01:05:38.200 But how do you balance being confident with being humble and allowing yourself to see that although we want to grow this business to what we want to grow it to,

01:05:50.560 we have to be intelligent about it.

01:05:53.600 We have to recognize that there's some blind spots that maybe we're not seeing that arrogance would overlook people.

01:06:01.240 It all comes back to the people that all comes back to the people that have brain power into the equation to help solve the equation because we're writing the equation.

01:06:20.680 And solving it on the fly constantly.

01:06:23.060 It doesn't stop.

01:06:24.780 And you need,

01:06:25.660 you need more of a brain trust to be able to do that.

01:06:28.440 And I think the humble,

01:06:29.680 the humble part comes in and is saying,

01:06:32.440 I need help.

01:06:34.380 I need help.

01:06:35.560 You know,

01:06:36.120 like we've set this thing in motion,

01:06:37.720 you know,

01:06:38.560 you're not going to stop the train from moving.

01:06:41.980 We need help,

01:06:43.000 you know,

01:06:43.520 fueling the fire and conducting this thing and getting passengers on and hitting the right stops,

01:06:48.560 you know,

01:06:49.560 and,

01:06:49.820 and not going off the rails.

01:06:52.460 Yeah.

01:06:53.080 Yeah.

01:06:53.560 So,

01:06:54.080 I mean,

01:06:54.660 I saw you do that with the,

01:06:55.800 with bringing Henry in,

01:06:57.100 for example,

01:06:57.660 right?

01:06:58.020 With the,

01:06:58.420 the boot production.

01:07:00.260 There's probably things that you didn't know what you didn't even know.

01:07:04.040 And you know what?

01:07:05.000 And we just brought someone else in,

01:07:06.540 Mike,

01:07:06.980 there are things that he knows that Henry doesn't know.

01:07:09.780 You know,

01:07:10.300 two guys,

01:07:11.140 80 years of combined experience,

01:07:12.920 two guys,

01:07:14.120 80 years to bring this thing back to life.

01:07:17.280 Yeah.

01:07:17.920 You know,

01:07:18.940 people.

01:07:20.880 It's awesome.

01:07:21.840 Yeah.

01:07:22.980 Well,

01:07:23.400 guys,

01:07:23.580 I think we'll call it a day.

01:07:24.660 I want to let you know,

01:07:25.660 though,

01:07:25.880 I really appreciate you guys.

01:07:27.560 Me and my family wouldn't be out here with,

01:07:29.640 without you guys and the opportunities that I feel like will present themselves,

01:07:32.860 not just between us,

01:07:34.420 but the family as well.

01:07:35.700 And,

01:07:36.180 and the things that we're looking forward to.

01:07:38.360 So I really appreciate your big level.

01:07:40.040 I appreciate your friendship,

01:07:42.720 your support.

01:07:43.640 I look to you guys as mentors in a way,

01:07:45.320 and just want to let you know,

01:07:46.140 I really appreciate you for that.

01:07:47.660 Thank you for that,

01:07:48.100 Ryan.

01:07:48.660 Thanks for inviting us back on again.

01:07:50.780 Yeah.

01:07:51.120 Thanks for letting me crash your studio.

01:07:53.380 We're going to do a podcast.

01:07:54.620 We're doing it here.

01:07:55.120 You can use this studio any time you want.

01:07:57.980 It's only going to get used one hour a week.

01:08:00.640 Okay.

01:08:01.120 Well,

01:08:01.540 let's make it a couple hours then.

01:08:02.580 There you go.

01:08:03.480 Absolutely.

01:08:04.140 Thanks guys.

01:08:05.060 Thanks.

01:08:05.440 Thank you.

01:08:06.000 Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast.

01:08:08.860 You're ready to take charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be.

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Order of Man - June 11, 2019

The Power of Thinking Big ｜ PETE ROBERTS & BRIAN LITTLEFIELD

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