Order of Man - The Pros and Cons of Comparison, Weighing Risk, and the Virtues Needed to Thrive

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

00:00:05.000 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:10.480 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:17.220 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.800 you can call yourself a man. Mr. Kip Sorensen, what's up, brother?

00:00:26.380 Good, man. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. We're doing this on New Year's Eve, which is,

00:00:33.640 I usually, it's funny, every year I say, I'm not going to work on New Year's. I'm not going to work

00:00:39.980 on, did I say New Year's Eve? I meant Christmas Eve if I said New Year's Eve. You know, I'm not going

00:00:45.280 to work on Christmas Eve. I'm not going to work on Christmas. I'm not going to work on New Year's.

00:00:49.620 And every year I work, but I enjoy it. So that's why I'm here. I enjoy what I do. And I imagine

00:00:56.320 well, you do to some degree. Otherwise you wouldn't have agreed to do it today.

00:01:00.520 Totally. Like I mentioned earlier, before we hit record, I'm happy. I'm happy that we're doing

00:01:05.700 this recording. So yeah, it's good. And I think the release of this one will be January 1st. If I

00:01:12.440 have my calendar dates correct, which means that we are the very start of the new year, which is

00:01:19.380 it's a beautiful thing. It's a good time to be alive right now. Time to get going.

00:01:23.760 By the way, Kip, I wanted to say thank you. I got this in the mail today.

00:01:28.720 Yeah. So thank you for my gift. I'm really excited about it. Honestly, I've just looked

00:01:33.960 at like one page and then I had to jump on the call with you. Trish brought it in. So

00:01:37.200 that was really, really thoughtful. I appreciate that, man. And my whole goal is to study this,

00:01:43.640 to use everything in here against you.

00:01:47.340 Awesome. So, um, you'll have to let me know how it works.

00:01:51.760 Yeah. Well, you know, that's a beautiful thing too, is like sometimes when you're rolling

00:01:55.960 in jujitsu, it's like, you know, you feel good cause somebody, cause you might be better

00:01:59.300 than somebody. And then you're like, wait a second. Like the goal isn't to feel good about

00:02:03.840 yourself. The goal is to improve. So you better go roll with somebody who's not better than

00:02:09.100 you. Or this morning I was rolling with a guy, man, this guy is, his name's Alex Tuttle.

00:02:13.260 He's, uh, you, you'd really like this guy actually. He, he's never trained jujitsu and

00:02:19.760 I was introduced to him by somebody, uh, Benjamin that we met at origins immersion camp last year

00:02:25.480 or, or earlier this year rather, or I guess last year. Cause now we're in 2020. It's going

00:02:30.020 to confuse me for a little while. Um, and so he's like, Hey, I've got a buddy. He's never

00:02:34.660 trained. I'm like, cool. Like have him come in the morning and you know, we'll, we'll just

00:02:38.600 roll and I'll teach him what little I know, but it'll just be good for him. Well, this

00:02:42.780 guy goes to compete. He's never trained before. He goes to in a competition. He wins his division

00:02:49.480 and awesome. Amazing. So I'm like, Holy cow. This guy's like, maybe he's a wrestler. He's

00:02:56.380 got some other experience. No, he's just a big, strong athletic dude. So no wrestling

00:03:01.540 background, no wrestling background. He just assumed. Yeah, no, that's what I would have

00:03:06.360 thought. He took a couple of, uh, a couple of classes years ago, him and his buddies took

00:03:11.780 a couple of jujitsu classes, but never trained. Yeah. So I'm rolling with them and, um, you know,

00:03:18.660 I'm able to hold my own just cause I've been training for a little while now and that, that

00:03:21.860 wasn't, it wasn't an issue, but man, the guy's big and strong. And I'm like, Holy cow. Like

00:03:26.460 some of the guys that I roll with, even if they're new, they're just tough guys. Anyways,

00:03:30.040 the reason I bring it up is cause we actually trained this morning, which again, we're recording

00:03:33.640 this on Christmas Eve. And, uh, it was funny cause I was sitting there just coaching a

00:03:39.380 little bit to the degree that I could, like, I don't coach anything I wouldn't know, but

00:03:42.960 just some basic things. And it's interesting cause you're training somebody else to hurt

00:03:47.800 you. Right. So then the next role session we get going again and he starts doing some

00:03:52.540 of the things that I was teaching him. I'm like, damn it. I shouldn't have taught him

00:03:55.600 those things. Yeah. It's funny how it's, it's really interesting that you bring this up.

00:04:02.320 Cause I just thought about this literally like a couple of days ago because I've been out

00:04:06.880 with my, my rib injury and I'm coming back to the gym and the thought crossed my mind

00:04:11.240 is how good am I going to go against my, my teammates? And then I thought, wait a second,

00:04:17.800 I'm going to the school to become better so I can defend myself and or compete outside

00:04:24.160 the school. The objective isn't for me to go to the school and stroke my ego and try to

00:04:29.160 be better than my teammates. Right. Like, and I kind of had to put myself in that spot a

00:04:33.340 little bit and go, okay, you know, readjust my focus here. This is not about me leveling

00:04:39.380 up. Like I want to do good against my teammates, but it should be from a position of bettering

00:04:44.280 them and bettering myself, not showing up because when guys show up at the gym to try

00:04:50.200 to prove something in the gym, then it's ego and, and their role is going to be different

00:04:54.980 than it is going to be from the perspective of learning. And it's funny how often I've thought

00:04:59.580 that same thing. Whenever I show someone like my game, uh, like a move I love, I'm like

00:05:04.700 a little bit at, in the moment I'm thinking I should not be showing them this because they're

00:05:09.720 going to shut it down now. And now they'll know my, my secrets, you know? So, yeah. And

00:05:14.980 then they use it against you. But again, the goal, I mean, this is look, we're talking about

00:05:19.100 obviously jujitsu right now, but it's, it's bigger than that. And, and the goal, you know,

00:05:23.200 we fall into these comparison traps, right? We compare ourselves to the people around us.

00:05:27.160 That's not a great comparison. And I actually think there's moments where you should compare

00:05:31.980 yourself to other people and that's contrary to popular belief. Everybody says, Oh, don't

00:05:35.920 compare. That's the, it's the joy or whatever. Be happy with who you are.

00:05:40.320 Well, you know what? Like I actually, there's people that I admire and respect that I don't

00:05:46.280 compare my worth to theirs. That's not what I'm saying, but I compare their skillset, whatever

00:05:52.240 that skillset is. So if it's public speaking or if it's jujitsu or if it's running a

00:05:57.100 business or leading their family, I look at their skillset they're using. And I think,

00:06:00.620 well, that's an individual that I admire, I respect, and I want to create something similar

00:06:05.880 to what that person's doing. So I use comparisons, a comparison as an opportunity to see what's

00:06:11.840 available and what capacity I could be operating at. Cause what happens is sometimes we get stuck

00:06:17.240 in these little bubbles, right? Of our own lives and our own performance. And then we're measuring

00:06:21.780 ourselves against our peers. And I think more often than not, when we do that, we set the bar

00:06:28.200 lower than it should be set. And if we turn outwards and compared to what else is possible,

00:06:34.520 again, not worth of a, of a human soul, but what is possible from a skillset perspective,

00:06:40.460 then we raise and elevate that bar. But most of us don't do it because, well, it sucks, right?

00:06:47.660 It sucks to say, well, I'm not as good as that guy. It's way better to say, well, I'm better than

00:06:53.400 that guy. So we play a weaker game, an inferior game. So we can stroke our ego rather than playing

00:06:59.940 the elevated game that we know we may be on the bottom of the totem pole with.

00:07:04.000 Yeah. It's funny too, that one of those scenarios causes, like, I think when you look at an individual

00:07:10.480 and you're focused on the worth aspect, right? In regards to my worth versus his worth,

00:07:15.820 it has a tendency to overshadow the efforts that that person had to put in place to be in that

00:07:24.680 position. When you, when you say, oh, they're worth more, I'm worth more. You're not considering all

00:07:30.380 the work necessary to get into the position that they're in, because you're saying that that worth

00:07:35.360 is just that way. And that work, it's almost like you're, you're avoiding the idea that it took

00:07:41.380 effort to get into those positions versus when I look at like this morning, this is really

00:07:47.240 interesting conversation because this is like relating to my day already this morning. I went

00:07:51.240 to the gym. I saw my good, my good buddy, Jimmy, and he's just yoked, right? This, this guy's just

00:07:57.400 shredded. And, and I show up at the gym, I'm feeling weak and skinny or whatever. And it bothered

00:08:03.100 me a little bit initially. And it bothered me from the position of almost like unfair, like, man,

00:08:10.680 why is Jimmy so yoked? And I'm not versus if I looked at it from the position of, man, he's putting

00:08:16.700 the time in, what is he doing? What, what can I ask Jimmy about to be able to, you know what I mean?

00:08:22.740 Improve my workouts and get, and be able to put in the work to be, you know, in a better shape,

00:08:29.100 you know, like he is. And, and, and we have a tendency to, when we go on the worth path

00:08:33.680 of measuring worth, I think we overshadow, or we look past all the effort necessary to get into

00:08:39.700 those positions. It's really interesting that we do that. Yeah. Agreed. I think I run into this a lot

00:08:44.840 with a podcast. People say, Oh, Ryan, you know, you feel lucky you have this podcast or, you know,

00:08:49.620 you're lucky you get to talk with all these amazing men, or, you know, you're, you're lucky that

00:08:53.580 you're naturally, uh, able to hold a conversation or to be able to present or communicate in public.

00:08:59.100 It's like, yeah, grow a beard. You know, it's like, I had to work for this, not the beard part,

00:09:04.280 but everything else. Like I had, I had to work at the beard was just absence of work. Like I literally

00:09:10.600 had to do nothing. Um, but you know, like with regards to, we just have to be careful of, to your

00:09:19.200 point, discounting what it took somebody else. And when people say, Oh, people are naturally gifted

00:09:24.200 or in their genetics, you know, maybe, maybe there's an element of truth to that. Like there's

00:09:30.280 certainly people just on this path that I've been doing with the jujitsu. There's certain people

00:09:34.220 who are more athletic than other people or, or more intuitive. Like they just pick things up quicker.

00:09:41.180 It just, for whatever reason, plays to their strengths. But I know plenty of gifted, talented,

00:09:47.060 strong, athletic men who frankly haven't amounted to much. So it isn't that that's the determination

00:09:56.240 of success. It's the fact that they took a skill, ability, a talent, a gift, whatever you want to

00:10:01.220 call it. And then they applied it effectively and consistently over time that has yielded the

00:10:06.260 results. Yeah. So we got to be careful of discounting somebody's work because what that

00:10:12.580 does, let's talk about why that's important. If, if I discount Kip, what it took you to get to where

00:10:19.180 you are, I give myself an out, right? Because I get to say, well, you know, the reason I'm not as

00:10:24.860 successful as Kip and fill in the blank with the endeavor is because, you know, my ship just hasn't

00:10:30.100 come in or God didn't gift me with these natural abilities, or I didn't get lucky like he did.

00:10:34.440 And so you excuse and absolve yourself of the responsibility of doing the work required to

00:10:40.320 have your thing. And even if you, even if it is true that people have gifts and abilities and

00:10:45.840 talents that they're born with innately born with, like that doesn't serve you to compare it to them

00:10:50.220 because maybe you weren't. So, okay, find what you were gifted with. Like I was thinking about it

00:10:56.200 today about ego. Um, I was listening to a Jocko podcast and he was talking, it was his new podcast

00:11:02.180 grounded. I don't know if you've listened to it at all. It's actually, he started a podcast.

00:11:05.720 Yeah. Most people don't. It's really good. It's, it's way more conversational, way more casual.

00:11:10.840 I should say he talks a lot about jujitsu. It's really good. Jocko talks about jujitsu on his

00:11:16.160 believe it or not. Yes. Crazy. Right. It's more, I meant the theme is jujitsu. Oh, I see. Yeah.

00:11:24.460 But, uh, he was talking with Dave Burke and they were talking about ego and I was like, and he asked if

00:11:30.360 Dave's ego ever got in the way and I was asked myself the same question and yes, sometimes it

00:11:35.940 does. But I was, as I was thinking about it this morning, I was thinking to myself, like I've honestly

00:11:41.200 never been so good at something that ego ever got in the way. Yeah. Like I feel like I've had to claw

00:11:50.220 and scrape and, and scrap and fight and bite for every advantage I've ever had. Like I've never felt

00:11:56.860 like, Oh, I have this superior advantage in business or communication or looks or wealth or

00:12:02.560 connections or ability. Like I've had everything. So that ego has really been kept in check pretty

00:12:10.320 much my whole life. What, but that's because you had to put the work in to be good in those sayings,

00:12:15.640 which by default takes away ego, right? It's like you look at black belts and they're so humble.

00:12:21.600 Why? Because they've been humbled for 10 years before they ever got that black belt. So it's not

00:12:27.620 possible. I don't think so. I don't think it's possible to exceed in certain areas of life and

00:12:34.740 still have ego around because you had to learn to let go of your ego to even be placed in that

00:12:41.060 position. Egos really shows up when you don't have the skillset. It shows up when you think you're

00:12:48.080 great, even though you didn't put the work in it. It's superficial in most cases.

00:12:53.580 Well, that's the difference between confidence and ego or, or yeah, I'd say confidence and ego

00:12:59.740 confidence is earned. Like you earn the right to be confident through application of skills and mastery.

00:13:05.160 Ego is, is inflated, right? It's, it's, it's not, it's not a real thing. You know, you did say

00:13:13.040 something interesting. You said it's just not around. And I, I would disagree with that a little

00:13:18.800 bit, but I think it's just the wording that you use. I think you'd agree with this as well. Maybe

00:13:21.840 not is it's not that it's not around. Like I think our natural tendency is to defend our fragile egos

00:13:30.040 and, and boys, boister ourselves up. So it's not that it's not around. I think it's those who are

00:13:35.060 successful have found ways to combat it when it comes up to keep it in check. Yeah, that's right.

00:13:40.880 Yeah. It's not something that just, it's not like a temptation that you fought it so long that now

00:13:46.620 you never have to fight it anymore. It just isn't present. No, it'll always be present. Especially

00:13:51.640 I've noticed as you get better at something because then there's expectations. Yeah. Right. Because

00:13:57.720 this podcast, for example, has done fairly well. Now I place all of this emphasis and, and pressure

00:14:04.800 to continue to perform, to continue to elevate it, which is good. It's really good, but taken to the

00:14:10.440 extreme, I might do things that would keep play it safe in a way in order to, it's, it's in a way

00:14:19.040 playing not to lose at that point. Totally. And, and to defend your ego. Yeah, totally. I get my brown

00:14:25.580 belt. Now what, what, what's the pressure? Right. I better not get tapped by a purple. Can't be tapped

00:14:31.640 by a purple or a blue. No way. By blue. And, and, and here's the thing. What if I'm at risk of getting

00:14:37.100 tapped by a purple? What, what is, what am I willing to do to ensure I don't get tapped,

00:14:43.280 get hurt, avoid rolling with that guy? Maybe. Cause I'm going to look bad. Like you start putting

00:14:50.880 yourself in a position where you go, shit, you know, I'm going to look bad in these circumstances

00:14:55.380 if this guy catches me. So I'm going to roll maybe extra aggressive. I may not work on my game.

00:15:01.320 If there's a loose spot in my game, I may not open myself up to be caught in those areas because why

00:15:07.200 got it. Got to protect my ego. Yeah. Yeah. So you won't take those calculated risks to learn new

00:15:12.920 things. Totally. Interesting. And I think it transcends like all over the place. Right. Yeah.

00:15:18.840 Hey, so really quick, uh, and not, not to talk about how great my gift is. Um, but what's cool about

00:15:27.160 that gift? So they don't even make those books anymore. Oh, is that right? Right. So I'll sell

00:15:34.280 it for more. What did you buy? How much did you buy it for? I don't know. I can't tell you. Uh,

00:15:39.600 but so that's, what's cool about that book. So Pedro Sauer guys that might be listening. So

00:15:44.820 if you're part of the Pedro Sauer curriculum, um, those moves are, are belt tests.

00:15:52.080 So, so by the time when I, by the time I test for my black, I have tested all those moves

00:15:59.680 in that book. Interesting. So does it go by, does it go by belt or no, no. Okay. It's,

00:16:07.280 it's not a beginner thing, right? No, but he covers Halio. It's, I mean, Halio created that

00:16:13.040 book, right? So that's just awesome in itself. But, um, but a lot of these are like the old

00:16:19.520 school, like traditional self-defense jujitsu stuff, just super old school stuff. It's,

00:16:27.100 it's really cool. Like you're not going to find spider guard here and X guard and deep half. Well,

00:16:32.480 maybe a little bit of deep half, but it's a lot of, I mean, you'll find a section in there. It's

00:16:36.420 about like gun defense and knife attacks and, you know, kind of really solid, fun, old school

00:16:43.500 jujitsu moves. So, yeah, man, I'm excited to go through it. Cool. So I was actually lucky to find

00:16:50.400 one. So, well, no, I'm, I'm, uh, I'm lucky to have a friend that would, uh, have this thoughtful

00:16:56.260 gift. No, truly. That's what I told my wife when she gave it to me. I'm like, man, this is like

00:16:59.680 really thoughtful. And that's, um, that's a meaningful gift. Like it's not the gift itself

00:17:05.240 for the gift is cool, but the thoughtfulness behind it is really cool.

00:17:07.620 Well, and it made it easy. Now that's, uh, made it easier with you on the jujitsu path. Cause I,

00:17:13.040 I mean, I can now relate of what would be a grateful, thoughtful gift.

00:17:17.240 Yes. Yes. Cause we couldn't relate before there was no connection there at all.

00:17:21.320 No connection till now. All right. Should we get into some questions?

00:17:25.520 Yeah, let's do it. We crushed like a, a, a quarter of our time today. Just like that.

00:17:31.020 A third of it actually. We don't even need questions. I'm questioning.

00:17:33.900 Just ramble. Just ramble.

00:17:35.980 I'm sure people would appreciate that. Yeah. Actually, they probably would.

00:17:40.380 Yeah. Well, you guys tell us. All right. Should we do it?

00:17:43.660 Don't tell us. Just deal with it. All right. Yeah, let's go.

00:17:48.240 Aaron goats. What are both of your thoughts on government regulation of pornography,

00:17:52.880 particularly with respects to protecting children from being exposed to porn?

00:17:57.440 There's a school of thought that pornography is a form of speech and thus cannot and should not

00:18:02.160 be regulated. There's another school of thought that pornography has a significant

00:18:05.960 harmful effects on the, on its viewers, which is backed by scientific studies and thus should

00:18:11.120 be regulated like alcohol, drugs, and other vices.

00:18:16.120 Well, I think there is some regulation on pornography. Number one. I mean, I think there's

00:18:20.040 already some regulation in place now when it comes to children. Yes, I do believe that we should make

00:18:24.280 a very conscious and concerted effort to protect our children from dangers that they may not be fully

00:18:31.180 aware of and not fully how to handle. But a grown man engaging in, in watching pornography, I tend to

00:18:40.680 be more of a libertarian when it comes to that. If he wants to, if he wants, like, I don't think it's good.

00:18:46.480 I don't think it's healthy. And I agree with those scientific studies that show that it has damaging

00:18:51.240 effects on the brain. It rewires our circuits. It makes us think differently of women. It changes

00:18:57.460 the dynamic with intimacy and sex. It, it, it just robs us of a lot of our masculine energy and power.

00:19:03.920 There's a lot that comes with pornography, but I also think, you know, if a guy chooses to engage in

00:19:10.060 that behavior, then, okay, well, that's, that's his prerogative. You know, that's, I think less

00:19:17.060 government is the solution. I don't really believe that we should get the government involved. And I

00:19:21.360 don't think we need the government involved in every aspect of our lives. Like, it's unfortunate to me

00:19:25.520 that we live in this world that like needs somebody else to self-regulate, not even self-regulate,

00:19:33.900 to regulate us because we cannot self-regulate. Yeah. Like morality has just gone completely out

00:19:40.400 the window. And I'm not just talking about pornography, but I'm talking about cheating,

00:19:44.940 integrity issues, that kind of stuff outside of just pornography. It's, it's not good and it's not

00:19:51.500 healthy. So I'd rather take this approach. And that's why people ask me, Oh, are you going to get

00:19:55.420 into politics? You're going to do that? No, I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in doing this

00:20:00.300 and then having men who are voluntarily interested in joining our mission of protecting and reclaiming

00:20:06.420 and restoring genuine masculinity that we do it this way voluntarily, as opposed to being regulated.

00:20:12.620 The problem with regulation is it just doesn't work, right? It just doesn't work. And then what

00:20:18.860 ends up happening is, is as you get more legislation and more laws in the book, we look for little ways

00:20:23.600 to maneuver and move around that. And then more laws have to be put on the books and then more and

00:20:27.900 more and more. And it's this big snowball. And then it sets a precedent for what else can be

00:20:33.300 regulated? What else can be opened up to regulation through government entities? And I'm just not

00:20:38.340 interested in involving the government more in our lives than they already are. Yeah. Protecting

00:20:43.740 children. Yes. There's tons of private organizations that are working on that too. And that's why I think

00:20:48.900 you need to have an engaged mother and father in the home so they can start incorporating some of these

00:20:52.680 things on their own voluntarily. And that's a better solution than having the government do it.

00:20:57.900 Well, people will say, well, what about the kids that don't have that don't have parents?

00:21:01.360 That's why I think some regulation for children, but grown men can make their own decisions. It's

00:21:07.200 just not that hard. It's like I was telling my son a few weeks back, like, you know, we were talking

00:21:12.640 about something about some law and I'm like, just always remember this with regulation and law comes a

00:21:18.880 reduction of freedom period. That is reality by design by, so be very careful when we jump on some

00:21:27.300 train that goes, yeah, let's regulate this. What's great. A lot. It's like, you're taking a little bit

00:21:31.460 of freedom. You're taking a little bit of freedom. Like just always remember that. And, and I, and I,

00:21:36.160 you and I are totally in the same camp here. It's like, I'm, I'm totally, I totally believe

00:21:41.440 that pornography is not good, but I still want to have the government be regulating anything

00:21:48.480 in that regard, because I think that's where we can make a better impact socially on our own through

00:21:56.120 non-government regulation and process and, and allow people to make that choice and see the value of

00:22:04.360 why they shouldn't be doing it. Right. So it's interesting to me, you know, some of these,

00:22:09.320 it's intellectually dishonest to say on one hand that there, we should have limited and small

00:22:14.440 government, the government shouldn't be involved in every aspect of our lives, that we should be

00:22:18.300 allowed certain, uh, choices or religious freedoms. Uh, and then on the other hand say,

00:22:25.060 but in this case, because I don't agree with it, that it should be regulated. It's like, no, no, no,

00:22:29.300 like your thoughts should apply, apply broadly unless it's impacting somebody else. Yeah. It

00:22:35.440 should, it should apply broadly and, and not like pick and choose because then it doesn't seem very

00:22:41.460 principled to me. It just seems like you want to regulate things that you don't agree with,

00:22:47.500 but you're fine if people leave alone the things that you do agree with. So it's, it's, it's not a,

00:22:54.520 it's, it's not a very, it's not an integrity with, with your supposed principles of liberty and

00:23:01.680 freedom. If you're picking and choosing what the government should and shouldn't get involved in.

00:23:05.640 Yeah. And everyone that's like on some mission of, we need to instigate some government regulation to,

00:23:12.140 you know, change this process. Stop, like actually just create an organization and get a movement

00:23:18.360 going, communicate the values of whatever you're passionate about and try to make change that way.

00:23:23.240 In a lot of cases, it's going to be more effective anyway. And let's be honest. Do we want to do

00:23:27.800 things because our government quote unquote lets us or does not let us do something? Or do we want

00:23:33.580 to be educated so we can make that decision on our own? Well, it's funny because a lot of people talk

00:23:38.520 about God is not existing or being, you know, false or, or conceived. And yet they're willing to

00:23:44.560 concede to the God of government, right? So they've gotten rid of God and instead replaced it with

00:23:51.000 government. So then that becomes their God or their religion. And that's just as destructive as

00:23:58.960 they believe some other organized religion may be. Yeah. Yeah. Very interesting. All right. Alan

00:24:04.740 Placer, sovereignty alone doesn't make men overcome their fears. What eternal process did it take to

00:24:12.140 convince you and Kip to make the leap into the unknown? That is your careers today.

00:24:16.380 What's not a leap. That's what that's, that's, Hmm. How would I word this? That is a thought that

00:24:27.500 will keep you from doing it. Because when I think of leap, I think of leap and like fall to my death,

00:24:33.020 right? Like you're, you're, you're bridging some gap that, that inherently possesses a bunch of risk

00:24:39.140 and because it has an unknown, right? And because of all of this risk, then you might fail and suffer

00:24:47.320 catastrophically. So it's not a leap. It's a step. It's a, guys, it's just a step. If you're trying to

00:24:57.300 lose weight or fix your marriage or start a business or secure a promotion or do any number of things that

00:25:05.920 you're trying to do, you don't have to have it all figured out right now. I, this is what guys do.

00:25:13.940 It's, it's just, it's funny. And when I share it, people think it's asinine, but I guarantee all of

00:25:19.400 us have engaged in this line of thinking. They think because they can't have the ultimate result

00:25:25.300 that they desire, or even the ultimate effort they wish they could give right now, that they just

00:25:31.420 won't do anything. So let me give you two very small examples of how this might work in my financial

00:25:38.220 planning practice. I would have people who would say, Ryan, I, I know I need a financial plan. I

00:25:46.180 know I need to get my money situation taken care of. I would love to shore all this up and get this

00:25:50.960 taken care of. But before I start working with you, I just want to get a few things with my finances

00:25:57.020 figured out. It's like, that's what I'm going to help you do. Like, I'm going to help you do that.

00:26:05.100 Another one people say is, uh, yeah, man, I just, I want to go into the gym and I want to start

00:26:10.100 lifting and getting strong and getting fit and lean. Uh, I just, I need to lose some weight before

00:26:15.300 I go to the gym. Yeah. And they'll see that. Yeah. I need to get in shape before I start

00:26:22.280 training. You're like, uh, that's how you get in shape. Right? Exactly. That's part of the process.

00:26:28.420 So to Alan's question, you, I didn't take a leap. I think he said, what internal principle did I use?

00:26:36.080 Is that what he said? What internal process did it take to convince you to take the leap?

00:26:41.480 Okay. So no leap, right? That's the first thing. The process is what's the next first step.

00:26:49.120 So I thought of it in micro steps, not, not even steps of the process. I just thought of it in

00:26:56.380 micro steps. What do I need to do next? Okay. Do that. Then when that's completed, what do I need

00:27:04.120 to do next? Okay. Do that. What do I need to do next? And you start tacking these things together.

00:27:10.360 That becomes the process. And what's interesting is a lot of the, a lot of the times you don't even

00:27:15.860 know where it will take you. Yeah. Or what opportunities will present themselves along the

00:27:20.760 way. How could you know? You've never been down that path before. You've never seen the routes and

00:27:25.740 the trails and everything else that, that could, you know, come off of this path that you've decided

00:27:30.900 to walk and you don't get to see it. Here's the interesting thing. You don't get to see those

00:27:35.860 opportunities until you start walking. Like it's, it's like a, like a veil over the, over the path.

00:27:43.420 Like you don't get to like peek around the corner and see what's available. You got to actually start

00:27:48.140 taking the path. And then you're like, Oh, that's a cool opportunity. Oh, Whoa. I didn't even know that

00:27:53.420 existed. Oh, here's a relationship I never would have thought I had. Oh, here's a project that I could

00:27:58.160 engage in that I never thought would be something even remotely on my radar. Because you just start

00:28:04.200 taking the steps, the necessary steps of the path that you think you're meant to walk. You may find

00:28:10.440 out you're on the wrong path, but it's always prudent to take a step because then you just take

00:28:15.000 the next step and learning to take steps is I believe just as important as the actual step that

00:28:21.720 you're taking. Yeah. It's the habit. It's the conditioning of your mind to move and take action.

00:28:27.800 And you know what, if you do it this way, like I did it with the podcast, I started the podcast for my

00:28:31.780 financial planning practice, which would have been so boring by the way, which is probably why it

00:28:38.460 didn't do that well. But I liked the medium of podcasting. I just didn't want to have that

00:28:44.800 boring conversation again that I've had a million times before, but I wouldn't have known about the

00:28:51.680 opportunities that we've created here with order of man until I took that step. And then I just pivoted.

00:28:56.260 I'm like, okay, well, yeah, okay. That didn't work, but I like podcasting. Now I know how to podcast.

00:29:01.480 Now let's shift gears. Yeah. So be careful of thinking it's elite number one. And then as far

00:29:06.940 as the internal processes, just what's the next first step? What is it? Okay. I want to like,

00:29:12.720 I'm challenging guys right now. We're January 1st. Like you're, you've got things that you want to do,

00:29:17.000 right? So write down those things you want to do in the next 90 days or the next year. I don't care what

00:29:20.540 it looks like. Just write those things down and then pick one. You don't have to do all of them

00:29:26.420 right now. Just pick one of them. Okay. I want to lose 20 pounds. Cool. What's the next first step

00:29:33.000 and do it. The next first step is maybe it's find a gym near you. Cool. That'll take you what? 20

00:29:42.220 minutes. Got it. Jim. What's the next first step? Call them and get a membership. Easy. That'll take

00:29:51.280 you five minutes. Next first step. Uh, I don't know. I'm, I guess I need some shorts. Cool. Go

00:29:56.640 and get some shorts out of your, your, your dresser or some shoes. Maybe you got to buy something

00:30:01.360 because you don't have anything. You haven't been to the gym, whatever. Cool. Got that done. What's the

00:30:04.920 next first step? Oh, I need to know how to, how to work out. Okay. Well call the gym up. Maybe they have

00:30:10.280 somebody there or look online. Cool. Got that. What's the next step? Go into the gym.

00:30:15.380 Then what's the next step the next day? Do that over and over and over and over again. That's the

00:30:20.260 process. Yeah. I like it. The only thing I'd ask, you know, I thought you would say calculate the risk.

00:30:26.520 I think you've used that term in the past a lot. It's like, it's about calculated, right? You,

00:30:31.340 you didn't leap into something. It's something that you considered you calculated and maybe it did have

00:30:37.120 some risk. And to that thought process, I would just like to add that sometimes risk is perceived,

00:30:42.580 right? When, when I, when I had my own business and I'd hire an employee, I'd, I'd had guys that

00:30:47.720 would be like, oh man, I, I think I'm going to go work for a large corporation because you know,

00:30:53.380 you're a smaller company and that comes with risk. And, and I remember having this conversation

00:30:57.180 with them all the time. It's like, based upon what? Like, why is that risky? Oh, because you're a

00:31:03.420 smaller company. Really? Let's, let's hash through this. You can work for a large corporation of

00:31:08.820 thousands of employees and be amazing. But the correlation between you keeping your job and the

00:31:14.760 hard work that you do is more removed than if you work for a company with 10 employees and you're

00:31:21.240 working hard. There's, there's a more exact correlation to your hard work and the company

00:31:26.160 staying afloat than if you work for a corporation. So you tell me what the risk is, right? So we have a

00:31:32.020 tendency sometimes to see things as risk when reality, all it is, is perceived risk based upon

00:31:38.020 limited information and not reality. So be really careful on, on how we identify what is risky and

00:31:45.020 what is not. Because in a lot of cases, I think it's, it's based on limited information and not

00:31:51.060 reality. Well, and it's not that it inherently possesses less risk. It's just different risk

00:31:57.240 because there's risk where you currently are. When we moved out here to Maine, people said,

00:32:01.660 Oh, I can't believe you're doing that. That's risky. That's risky. Well, it possesses an element

00:32:05.780 of risk, but risky compared to what risky compared to staying in the status quo and never reaching our

00:32:13.880 full potential or never experienced, uh, experiencing anything new or never going on this grand adventure.

00:32:19.160 Like it's risky compared to what it gets risky compared to, uh, it's not, I don't think it's risky

00:32:26.280 at all. It's just a different level of risk. And you have to be willing to assume some level of risk

00:32:31.000 to, to have some, some potential reward. Yeah. And no decision is still a decision,

00:32:35.820 right? Yes. It's a decision. And, and no decision carries risk too. Yeah. Cause if you stay where you

00:32:43.180 are, there's also risk. If you stay in the status quo, it's, it's there, it's present, whether you like

00:32:48.620 it or not, whether you, whether you feel inclined to acknowledge it or not, it's still there.

00:32:53.360 Yeah. All right. Nate Gant, best practices for creating a vision for my 2020 battle plan.

00:33:01.820 I feel stuck attempting to create a battle plan that is based upon a vision that is no longer

00:33:07.200 the life I wish to live. Uh, create a new vision for yourself and then that's okay.

00:33:16.260 You have permission. I'm not, I'm not giving you permission. I'm just acknowledging or helping you

00:33:21.040 see that you already had permission. You have permission to change, to evolve, to grow, to find

00:33:29.060 value in new endeavors and new things to not feel so obligated to do things that you used to like to

00:33:38.820 do. Even potentially like you are an evolving human being. And if you don't feel connected to

00:33:45.100 your vision, then nothing else that you're going to do is going to feel meaningful. So let's talk about

00:33:50.300 the hierarchy of the battle plan. So we have vision first, and then we'll talk about some

00:33:54.380 tactical strategies we can use here, but you have vision first. What is it that you want to look

00:33:59.560 like when you think about being a husband or a father or an entrepreneur or a leader within your

00:34:04.700 community or a neighbor or a brother or a son or any number of roles in which you engage? Like,

00:34:10.920 what does that look like when you get home? Are your kids happy to see you? Are they excited to see

00:34:15.800 you? Are you engaged? Are you present and deliberate and playing with them? Are you and your wife

00:34:21.140 connected? Are you close? Are you physically intimate? And when you're having sex, what does

00:34:26.780 that sex look like? And how are you two feeling? Like, this is the vision. This is the process that

00:34:32.140 you go through. And if you feel like that isn't strong because you no longer identify with that mission

00:34:36.880 or it was never something all that compelling in the first place, change it. Change it. You've

00:34:45.340 changed. You have new inputs, new experiences, new ideas, new exposure to information and people.

00:34:51.640 Therefore, it would make sense that other things would change in your life. So yeah,

00:34:56.400 the first step is the vision. Next step from the vision is objectives. Next is tactics. Next is

00:35:02.940 checkpoints. So if you're not connected, change the vision. I think I answered that portion of the

00:35:09.460 question correctly. We can get into some tactical stuff if you feel like I did. Cool. So, okay. Okay,

00:35:16.040 cool. All right. Tactically, um, just start asking yourself questions about the future. I mean,

00:35:22.520 we have this ability to, to, to think consciously about who we want to be and project ourselves out into

00:35:28.460 some future date and, and time and place even. So what I tell a lot of the guys when they're faced

00:35:35.220 with difficult decisions, as I say, project yourself out in 20 years. And then looking back,

00:35:39.580 what decision will you be happy that you made? You can do the same thing with a vision. Like think

00:35:44.640 about yourself with a little more gray in your hair, you know, a little older, think about yourself

00:35:50.140 with grandkids. Think about how you would look or feel or engage if you owned that business or

00:35:56.580 you salvaged that marriage or you had a hat or you were more fit and start tying your,

00:36:03.300 your vision to the emotionally charged elements of it. Like, what does it feel like? What,

00:36:07.620 what experiences are you having? Um, how are people thinking of you? The, uh, write your own eulogy

00:36:14.220 is a very cool exercise. So you're literally writing out. If somebody was giving a eulogy for you,

00:36:20.980 you're writing it out, how you would be remembered. That'll start to identify some key principles

00:36:27.580 and values in your life that you find meaningful and significant. Then you can start working that

00:36:33.600 into vision. Think about, um, think about how, how people talk about you when you're not there.

00:36:41.700 That's a good exercise. Think about how you would talk about yourself if you weren't connected.

00:36:49.640 That's an interesting exercise too. So what you do is you think, okay, well, I'm not, I'm going to not

00:36:54.840 be me for a minute. I'm going to be objective for a minute. And I'm going to think about me as this guy

00:37:00.380 that's like over there that I know of, but we're not connected in any way. How would you think about

00:37:06.160 that individual? And how would you want to be thought about? Now, I can't tell you, you've got

00:37:12.300 to write this formula and answer these five questions and do it in this framework because

00:37:16.720 I've seen an infinite number of visions and, and if they're compelling, then it's accurate.

00:37:24.220 Yeah. Right. If it compels you, then you've done it correctly. If it doesn't compel you,

00:37:32.340 then write something, draft something, consider and think about something until it is compelling

00:37:38.320 enough to move you in the direction that you want to go. Yeah. Some of you guys, and I don't know why

00:37:44.700 I feel inclined to say this. Cause I, I have talked to a handful of guys that, that sometimes, you know,

00:37:50.220 they think about this stuff and they don't like who they are. They don't probably like that

00:37:57.580 self-evaluation of what they would say about themselves. They may not like how people would

00:38:03.280 talk about them currently today. And, and my only message is you can reinvent yourself.

00:38:10.820 If you don't like it, it's not too late. Like become the man in a way that like people are shocked

00:38:18.720 that for whatever reason, people would say, man, Ryan come 2020. It's like he was a new man

00:38:26.380 and he changed and became better. And he started showing up in this way. So drastic that they know

00:38:32.660 that something changed in you. Like, and I, and I really believe we all have that option

00:38:37.840 to, to reinvent ourselves. If we don't like what we're seeing in the mirror. Now it's not easy and

00:38:44.660 we can talk about that kind of stuff, but I do believe that's possible. So if you guys don't like

00:38:49.540 what you're hearing, if you don't like what that evaluation looks like, start today, change who you

00:38:55.500 are and, and transform into the man that you were meant to be. Yes. Yes. Way to tie that in. You,

00:39:02.280 you in a way could almost create a character, right? So, so think about a character of who you'd want to

00:39:11.100 be and where should you get inspiration from this? From men that you're inspired by. Yeah. Right. So

00:39:17.660 take, take somebody who, who you're inspired by, you know, the guys that I hear a lot of quite a bit

00:39:22.900 is like Jocko Willink and David Goggins, Cameron Haynes, Joe Rogan. I mean, there's so many people

00:39:29.760 that, that people aspire to be like in some capacity and look, nobody has everything figured

00:39:35.220 out. So pick and choose like, okay, you take a guy like Jocko and you're like, man, that guy inspires

00:39:40.500 me. I'm motivated. I want to be like him. Cool. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, that's great.

00:39:44.820 So write about him and then just drop your name in it. Yeah. What would Jocko do? Yeah. Like,

00:39:54.800 Hey, Jocko's discipline. He's dedicated. He communicates effectively. He leads this way. And

00:40:00.120 when he speaks, people listen because he has authority and a credibility and just write

00:40:03.800 everything that you know, or at least perceive, you don't know, but everything that you perceive

00:40:08.300 about this individual and then just cross out Jocko's name and put Ryan Mickler. Ryan is

00:40:14.700 disciplined. Ryan is committed. Ryan speaks with authority and credibility because he's earned it.

00:40:19.200 Ryan does this and Ryan does that. And when people are around him, they're inspired to rise up and take

00:40:24.300 control of their own life, man, just write about other people and then take elements. Okay. So Jocko's

00:40:31.000 this way and, and, and Kip has the, these thoughts that I haven't thought about and he's compassionate

00:40:36.060 and he's got these other features and, and characteristics that I like. And Ryan's got

00:40:40.520 this and, and Goggins has got this and whoever, whoever you're inspired by, just write it all

00:40:46.980 down and just replace you with those individuals. Love it. Billy, uh, uh, uh, Trujillo. Uh, sorry,

00:40:59.920 Billy. It's what I think is Trujillo. Trujillo or Trujillo, but I think it's Trujillo.

00:41:06.040 There you go. What does really, we need to ask him. I know. Sorry, Billy. I, I should know

00:41:12.620 better. What does your musical workout playlist consist of? Uh, Ben Shapiro, Jocko, Andy

00:41:23.240 Frisilla. Occasionally I'll have a, uh, audio book that I'll listen to. You never do the music

00:41:30.120 anymore. No more, no more of the dance while at the gym. You're all, you've come to that

00:41:35.980 as if that was the thing at one point, never at the gym. I'm just going to tell you my podcast

00:41:41.200 playlist. Just give me a second here. Cause you guys will appreciate that. But just to

00:41:44.440 clarify, always, always podcast or audio book while working out. You, you don't, you, you've

00:41:50.880 given up the music while working out. Yeah. I don't usually listen to music while I work

00:41:55.980 out. I mean, unless like it's somebody else's, like if I'm training, for example, Pete will

00:42:00.320 throw his playlist on and then it's just whatever it is. Cause it's playing outside. Yeah. Yeah.

00:42:04.500 Right. So like London Real, Jordan Harbinger, um, art of manliness, cleared hot, Andy Stumpf,

00:42:13.780 uh, real AF, Andy Priscilla. Who else is good? Rogan. I listened to not all of his, but some

00:42:20.940 of them. Um, yeah. Knock on podcast, Steven Mansfield, Jocko. It's about what I listened

00:42:28.480 to outside of that. Like if I do listen to music, it might be, I just don't, I don't,

00:42:37.100 I don't listen to a whole lot of music. The only music I really listened to is like a red

00:42:42.420 dirt country, but I don't do that when I'm lifting, but that's about it. Yeah. I just

00:42:48.940 listened to like, uh, workout music, some hip hop sometimes. Some, I know this sounds kind

00:42:54.720 of weird. I do this at work to like trap music. So it's kind of, I don't even know what that

00:42:59.320 is. Uh, it's, I don't know, like a new variation of lame, like techno beats. Yeah. So it's just

00:43:06.000 noise, just noise, Chris Gatsko noise, just noise floating through the air. Uh, you know,

00:43:15.480 I just, sometimes I, I don't know, I just live better when it's, I have some music pounding.

00:43:19.700 And, and then the other problem that I run into podcasts when I, especially a book,

00:43:24.440 actually the book I was listening to the other day, I was like, man, I want to wrap this book

00:43:28.280 up. So I'm listening to it while I lift. And I, I kept wanting to stop and take notes while I'm,

00:43:34.980 while I'm working out. And it was affecting my, it was affecting my workout. I'm like, crap,

00:43:39.600 like I need to pay attention. Cause this is a really good chapter. And then I, then I switched

00:43:43.800 back to music. Cause I was like, I just need mundane stuff. I don't want to be thinking, but

00:43:48.600 yeah. All right. John Jenkinson, you mentioned your sister and mother and, uh, your mother in

00:43:55.980 the real Brian Rose interview. What is your relationship with your sister? And do you see

00:44:00.780 her often? What does your mother think of what you have created here with the order of man and

00:44:05.380 the iron council? Um, I actually, I don't see my mom and my sister a whole lot. My mom, maybe once

00:44:11.300 or twice a year, she lives on the other side of the country at this point. So she's in California,

00:44:15.880 uh, but we have a great relationship. We still talk, uh, my sister and I am not as close as

00:44:20.960 that. You know, we, we, we still wish, wish each other a happy birthday and, you know, talk

00:44:26.140 on the holidays and things like that. And, but we're just, we're just not real close. And

00:44:30.400 that's, yeah, it's unfortunate. I wish we were a little bit closer, but quite honestly, I could

00:44:34.240 put, well, we both could, we both could put forth more effort to, to develop and shore up that

00:44:39.720 relationship, but we just haven't. Um, as far as what my mom thinks about what I do, she loves

00:44:45.240 it. She loves it. She's been my biggest supporter since day one, you know, since, since she brought

00:44:51.320 me into this world, you know, she's always supported me, believed in me, helped me. Um,

00:44:56.460 and she sees the value in what I'm doing. Uh, you know, sometimes she does tend to maybe

00:45:02.500 take something personal the way I say it, but you know, I explained to her like enough,

00:45:06.780 enough, none of what I've ever said is a knock against her. I think it'd be hard pressed to find

00:45:11.500 anything I've ever said negative about her. Cause I just don't have those thoughts. She just did an

00:45:15.180 amazing job raising us and in difficult circumstances, not worse than necessarily

00:45:20.740 other people, not better than other people, just our circumstances. And, um, you know, she's,

00:45:26.420 she's proud. Ultimately, she's just proud of what we've created here. That's awesome.

00:45:32.460 Zach, uh, Zemeck, do you have any thoughts about how male educators can provide a school environment

00:45:38.380 that is more conductive or conducive to the development of teenage boys? For example,

00:45:44.140 I don't require students to ask permission to leave our room, but rather have one of those wall

00:45:49.040 mounted touch lights that they, they turn on as they leave and turn off as they return. The boys in

00:45:54.780 particular have taken, uh, to Paul policing each other, which I see is a huge step forward in comparing

00:46:01.180 to simply asking for permission to leave. I find that really interesting, his strategy. Um,

00:46:06.660 I would actually like to understand that more. Maybe you have an opinion of why that's,

00:46:10.680 that's unique to boys, that scenario, but anyhow, I don't, I mean, I'm not, I'm not a, uh,

00:46:17.420 behavioral psychologist or anything, right? Obviously, but I would say that there's an,

00:46:23.740 there's a new, uh, a new experience there. And, and that's what, that's what boys are interested in

00:46:30.160 experiential learning. Yeah. And they don't, they, Oh, good. Sorry. Well, I was just going to say,

00:46:35.980 are you going to let me answer the question? You just keep interrupting me. Well, I'm assuming

00:46:39.760 there's a level of ownership that goes with that scenario versus asking permission versus,

00:46:45.380 okay, I've been given some responsibility and, and it's on me to regulate and do the responsible

00:46:52.560 thing. Right. But I don't, I think that's true. I think, you know, I'm thinking about when I was a

00:46:58.100 young boy, it's like, you know, just treat a teacher can treat a child with respect, you know,

00:47:02.460 a 17 year old kid, an 18 year old kid. I mean, come on, like he can have some flexibility and

00:47:09.440 some responsibility. Like if you police and baby everything, like that's a problem. And I like

00:47:14.460 what he said about them policing each other. I think that's a really cool idea. The little light

00:47:17.940 that goes on and off. I would challenge you to even take that maybe a step further. And I don't even

00:47:22.940 know what that looks like, but maybe it's, you know, like colored lights or something, or, you

00:47:28.300 know, put that maybe having some sort of a, like a competition. I don't know. Like anytime you can

00:47:33.140 involve guys in competition, anytime you can get the experiences and the senses involved, get them

00:47:39.160 out of the classroom and, and get them into the field, whatever the field looks like, based on what

00:47:44.740 you're teaching, you're just going to have a much better experience than just trying to teach out

00:47:49.880 of a textbook. And we just don't want to learn that way. And that's why I think boys are part of

00:47:54.440 the reason boys are falling behind in school. And if you look at the metrics, we are not just

00:47:59.800 relative to women, but relative to what we were doing 20, 30, 40 years ago, because we don't want

00:48:05.140 to be put in this box and, and just learn from books and just color within the lines and do it the

00:48:11.620 way that we're told. And then what's interesting is if you color outside of those lines or a boy,

00:48:17.040 heaven forbid, he gets a little rowdy because he's excited about things, then we medicate him.

00:48:23.420 Right. It's like, Oh, this kid's not like, he can't focus. It's not that he can't focus. It's

00:48:28.260 that he's just not interested in what you're teaching him. Yeah. Cause guess what? He can

00:48:33.660 focus on chicks all day long. Like he doesn't have a focus problem here. Totally. Yeah. He focuses

00:48:41.240 on those video games really well. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Right. So it's not a focused

00:48:46.380 problem. It's, it's an interest problem. It's a teaching problem. Yeah. So I don't have any

00:48:54.960 specific examples other than, you know, look at the boy Scouts and I, I give the boy Scouts a lot

00:49:00.460 of flack because they've made some serious, serious missteps. In fact, the boy Scouts are just done.

00:49:05.180 Yeah. But, um, you know, I, I give them credit where credit is due in that getting boys out into

00:49:12.380 nature and getting them involved and getting them shooting and wrestling and building things and

00:49:18.680 being outside. It's no wonder they thrived so much under that, under that, uh, that umbrella of learning.

00:49:26.820 Yeah, totally. Could you and Matt check this out? This, I, I would love this as an experiment. We,

00:49:32.360 maybe we should have him, uh, uh, Zach, you can try this out. How cool would it be if you had a class

00:49:38.980 of boys and you set up fire teams and you, you had fire teams within your classroom, they held each

00:49:47.080 other accountable. And, and then there was a competition between fire teams and their collective

00:49:52.160 grade average per fire team. It would be awesome. Right. The kids would be like helping each other with

00:49:58.340 the homework and it would, it would totally change things. And then, and then document it. So like

00:50:06.020 all the, if you can like put test scores and things like that on the board, like, like have some

00:50:12.340 accountability in there. Right. Totally. I mean, that's what we do in the iron council. In fact,

00:50:15.880 don't keep it secret. Post that right. Yeah. Top board list. If you can, I realize there's some red

00:50:21.480 tape that you need to jump through here, but have a, don't even just call it a scoreboard guys.

00:50:25.880 Here's the scoreboard. This guy's winning the game right now. Obviously he's got a hundred

00:50:30.020 points. This guy's losing the game. He's got 12. Like it is what it is. You want, you can feel bad

00:50:36.700 about that. Maybe you should feel a little bad about that, but now improve. Here's how you do it.

00:50:40.140 And your fire team is going to hold you accountable. It's interesting. It's really cool. I like that idea.

00:50:44.540 Um, in the iron council, all of the month of January, we're talking about competition. So using and

00:50:51.000 fostering competition for means of growth. Yeah. Bring it, bring it on. Joel Garcia,

00:50:57.580 the way we behave reflects on those around us. If you had to pick a top five characteristics or

00:51:03.680 virtues, what would they be? I would say integrity, which I would define as doing what you say you will

00:51:18.360 do. I would say work ethic. So you're, you're putting a lot of work and, and, and, and attention

00:51:28.820 towards the things that you are, are working on. Uh, I would say, uh, probably a sense of, of learning.

00:51:43.540 Like you want to continue an open mind, maybe open mind would be the best way to say that,

00:51:47.620 that you want to learn and continue to grow and develop. And you're open to learning new things.

00:51:52.160 Growth mindset a little bit. Yeah. Growth mindset. Yeah. That's a good way to say it. Um, I would say

00:51:57.240 probably a little bit of a chip on your shoulder, which is something that a lot of people probably

00:52:04.160 wouldn't say, but I'm trying to think of how you would word that, but someone that feels like to

00:52:08.920 have something to prove, like, like I'm going to grab life by the balls and just like twist and

00:52:14.680 have my way with, with life. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like a little bit of a, I don't

00:52:20.080 know what that is. Competitive drive or drive passion. Yes. Yes. I think that's four. Um, and then

00:52:29.200 I think this kind of goes in line with the, the growth mindset, the open-mindedness, but I would say

00:52:36.400 a level of humility that they're willing to, to acknowledge that they don't know at all,

00:52:42.160 that they're looking for other people to fill in these gaps, that they recognize what those gaps

00:52:46.520 are. And they're willing to, uh, acknowledge them and then fix them, shore them up.

00:52:53.540 There's five. I mean, you could do a bunch, but there's five that come to mind.

00:52:58.640 I love how like half of those conflict with each other and that there's a balance.

00:53:06.400 Lots of those. Right. Yeah. That's interesting. Well, like, so what are the ones that you think

00:53:12.020 conflict? Um, I think the edge, the compassion, the competitiveness and the humility will sometimes

00:53:19.800 conflict or can conflict with each other. But if you think about it, they don't have to,

00:53:25.400 in fact, they shouldn't. So if you want to dominate, then you have to be humble.

00:53:31.100 Yeah. Cause you're not going to grow. Right. Like when I go again, we talk about jujitsu,

00:53:36.660 but like when I go to class, I, I study before I go to class because two things I realize I don't

00:53:44.400 know it all. And I want to, I want to beat somebody tonight. Like I want to go, like I'm going there

00:53:51.240 to like, okay, I'm going to learn this arm bar or this triangle or this whatever. And then I'm going,

00:53:56.640 my goal is to apply it to as many people as possible and, and put them in pain. Yeah.

00:54:03.020 So like, because I, that's, that's the drive, but it's also humble knowing that, okay, I don't know

00:54:09.680 it. Let me pull up YouTube and see what I can find. Or let me pull up this, you know, Gracie

00:54:14.240 university and, and see what they say about it. Yeah. Yeah. They can, they can be at odds with each

00:54:22.880 other, but they can also work very well together. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. I totally agree. Huh? That's

00:54:29.500 interesting. All right. Let's take a couple more. All right. Uh, where are we at? All right.

00:54:34.640 Brandon, let me go back to that last question. Read the question just one more time. I want to make

00:54:38.960 sure that we address that properly. Yeah. Well, he starts it off with the sentence of the way we

00:54:44.040 behave reflux on those around us. If you had to pick a top five characteristics or virtues, what would

00:54:50.840 they be? And I'm assuming top five that affect and reflect on those around you. But yeah, I mean,

00:54:58.060 you, I may change that list a little bit based on that. I may, I may change to like compassion.

00:55:05.200 Um, empathy would probably be one because that affects people more than you're just, you're,

00:55:10.780 you're having your chip on your shoulder may benefit you specifically a little bit more than those

00:55:15.640 around you. Yeah. Right. So based on what, and both of them are both lists would be good skill

00:55:21.620 sets to develop, but based on your objective, you would put more emphasis on one list potentially

00:55:27.760 than another. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good point. Okay. You good there then? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh,

00:55:35.860 Brandon stole, um, I've had facial hair hair for most of my adult life, but I'm a congratulation,

00:55:42.280 Brandon. Yes. Uh, but I'm letting, but I'm letting it get a bit longer now, AKA I'm choosing to be

00:55:48.900 lazy. Any tips for keeping those annoying beard hairs out of my mouth? Side note, how are the order

00:55:55.940 of man beard products coming along? When can we expect to see them on the shelves? So beard hairs

00:56:04.780 out of his mouth, just trim your mustache. Now look at Kip, like he's got the sexy stubble going on.

00:56:13.340 Yeah. It's, it's off his lips. You can see those pearly whites and then look at me. Yeah. Well, I have

00:56:19.940 a tendency, like if my, if my mustache grows, I can't, I can't stop my mouth from playing with my

00:56:26.960 mustache hairs. You know what I'm talking about? Like I know what you're talking about, but it's just

00:56:31.920 because it's new. It's just new. That's all. Oh yeah. I mean, you and I, like our beard game is,

00:56:40.620 is very, very different. If you want to keep your beard hairs out of your mouth,

00:56:48.420 then don't grow them to the degree that I have. Cause it's just not possible.

00:56:54.360 Like there's certain foods, sandwiches, for example, I saw a meme going around one time that a guy was

00:56:59.560 trying to, a guy with a beard was trying to eat a sandwich and basically it was his beard wrapped in

00:57:04.980 two pieces of bread and he was like eating it, which is completely true. I don't know what it is

00:57:11.080 about sandwiches, but sandwiches, I eat more of my beard and mustache hair than any other food on the

00:57:16.220 planet. That's funny. And it's funny that I've been exposed to, because of you, there's certain

00:57:21.860 things I've never even thought of. Like, and I can't remember what other foods, but I've talked to you

00:57:25.740 about this and you're like, Oh, I got to eat that with a fork. And I'm like, Oh, good point. Like

00:57:30.760 I'm assuming like cheesy nachos or pizza would be a mess. I wouldn't eat, I would not eat cheesy nachos

00:57:36.280 in public. I wouldn't do it. I would eat it with my closest friends. You're like in the closet in your

00:57:40.820 house. Like, yeah, no, I would do it in front of my kids, my wife, they'd all be disgusted, but it

00:57:45.340 would be kind of funny. Yeah. But like pizza, I either have to cut it or fold it in half, which

00:57:51.200 some people would argue folding it in a half lengthwise is the proper way to eat pizza.

00:57:55.800 Anyway, I eat pizza that way anyway. Yeah. Right. Um, ice creams like, eh, it's going to be tough.

00:58:02.920 The, um, my server always looks at me a little funny when I ask for like straw for my water.

00:58:09.600 Even if my wife occasionally she'll make me a hot chocolate at night or something like that. And I'm

00:58:13.540 like, and she'll put a straw in now cause she knows, but before I'd ask her, can I get a straw?

00:58:18.560 She's like, for your hot chocolate? I'm like, yeah, I need a straw. As she calls you, as she calls

00:58:23.340 you princess. Oh sure. Princess, I'll get you a straw. Exactly. So you just adapt. Yeah. You know,

00:58:31.460 it's like if you don't want it in your face or in your mouth or whatever, then just keep it

00:58:35.620 nice and tidy or deal with it and don't keep it nice and tidy. And then you have a man's beard,

00:58:41.440 or, or, or you could have what Kip has. Or a boy beard. Yeah. Yes. Tiled beard. My, uh, my old,

00:58:51.480 uh, football coach. Cause I've had a beard forever. Like I, when I was, I think, I don't know,

00:58:57.800 15, 16 year old, I grew like a goatee, not a full beard, just more of like a goatee, but he always,

00:59:04.000 but I tried to grow a full beard and he would call it a summer beard. He's like, cool summer beard,

00:59:08.260 Mickler. Summer here, summer there. That's what he'd always say. Summer here, summer there. Yeah.

00:59:13.660 Buddy. Yeah. Um, so yeah, as far as the beard products, yeah, we had a top secret project going

00:59:21.760 on. Um, is this the reveal? Nah, it's the, it's the, the hint. But, uh, as you guys know,

00:59:31.020 I work closely with origin and we are working on some formulations for some stuff. We'll, we'll leave

00:59:41.080 it there. Stay tuned. Cause it's going to be amazing. And you could, uh, just my input, you

00:59:46.980 could maybe do caffeinated beard oil. So then that way I can stop drinking energy drinks and I just

00:59:53.200 received my caffeine through my beard oil. Well, they have an energy drink, so I'm not sure they'd

00:59:59.000 want to compete directly with that. That's true. I could definitely talk with them about it.

01:00:03.720 You know, they have that stuff, right? Like caffeinated. So I'm sure, I'm sure they've

01:00:07.700 got caffeinated. I'm sure they've got like CBD oil beard stuff. Like they've got it all. Sure.

01:00:14.820 All right. One more question or two. Yeah. I'll take a question. Yeah. All right. Andrew

01:00:18.660 McLeod, McLoad, McLeod. I'm just glad I don't have to pronounce, man, that, that week that I had

01:00:26.780 to do it. I'm like, God dang, this sucks. Now I know I had a co-host. I thought I cared about your

01:00:32.260 answers. I just wanted you to butcher the names and not me have to butcher them. Uh, it does add

01:00:38.420 a level of, um, pressure. Yeah. All the guys like hate me. They're like, damn it kid. Uh, all right.

01:00:47.320 Things. Hey, you want Kip to spell your name correct or pronounce your name correctly. Put a, um,

01:00:52.540 put the, like the, the phonetic spelling or what it, isn't that what it's called? The phonetic

01:00:56.760 spelling where it's like, just, yes, put the phonetic spelling. And then I'm not going to say

01:01:01.900 that's guaranteed to get it right, but it gets, I may not be able to read it. Right. Yeah.

01:01:07.620 We still have that barrier of my grammar to get over, but are you have a higher chance?

01:01:13.720 Are you from Utah? Town, Utah, not just Utah. Oh, that's right. You're, oh yeah.

01:01:18.500 I'm a man. We've talked about this. We've talked about this. You're from Monroe. Monroe?

01:01:23.760 Elsinore. Elsinore, which is right next to Monroe, right? Yeah. Even smaller than Monroe.

01:01:29.620 Yeah. Well, you and me are dealing with the same ailment of small Southern Utah, Utah schools,

01:01:35.540 which is why we have such a difficult time with pronunciation. And it's mostly because I went to

01:01:40.300 school with 20 other people and none of them had any of these last names. It was all Peterson,

01:01:44.980 Johnson, Sorensen. Yes. Jenkins. Jenkins. Yeah. Christensen or Christiansen. Yes. Because a bunch

01:01:56.060 of like, what is that Dutch or what? Well, like what is the Danish? So if it's an EN, it's Danish. If

01:02:01.560 it's O and it's Swedish. And Elsinore at one point was called Little Denmark. So all the Danish.

01:02:08.380 I knew that they had, uh, our, our mutual friend, Matthew Jenkins had explained all that to me on

01:02:14.460 one of our trips and he explained everything about who settled that area. So anyways. All right.

01:02:19.540 Question. All right. Andrew, things or experience, which do you prefer to give over the holidays and

01:02:27.080 why? Experience. Yeah. Yeah. Also. Okay. Well, I was just going to say, I totally agree after I read the

01:02:35.220 question. And then I evaluated what I gave for the holiday season and all of it was mostly things.

01:02:40.620 And so in retrospect, I'm like, yeah, I agree with the experience. Although I did not act on that.

01:02:47.060 And I should have probably done a better job on creating experience instead. Yeah. It's just,

01:02:50.660 it's easier to give a gift than it is to give an experience. Uh, so a couple of years ago,

01:02:54.740 my wife and I, and of course the family and the kids and everything, we went to Hawaii and that was

01:02:59.040 phenomenal. It was unbelievable. We were there for two and a half, three weeks and Christmas big

01:03:04.880 Island. Yep. On the, uh, we were on the, uh, Hilo side and it was so amazing. We rented this house

01:03:11.840 that was in this Hawaiian village. And when I say Hawaiian village, I'm talking about the like

01:03:17.560 Hawaiian village. So the villagers would look at us like, who are these Howley's? Like, who are these

01:03:21.740 white people? It was awesome. We loved it. And they were all friendly. They were, they were great

01:03:25.540 people, but it was, it was amazing. Um, yeah, so we did that. And so we did Christmas and new year's

01:03:32.160 there. And then this year, obviously we're doing it, doing it at home just with the move and

01:03:35.740 everything else. Next year we're thinking Scotland for Christmas and the holidays. So

01:03:41.080 we like the experiences, man. That's what it's all about. You know, we've got a short time on this

01:03:45.560 earth, so we want to take advantage of it. Yeah. Well, and I think those experiences can be the

01:03:50.760 traditions leading up to, you know, as well as the actual gifts themselves. Hmm. Yeah. Well,

01:03:56.900 I mean, I'm so disgusted with consumerism, especially this time of year and I'm not immune

01:04:03.200 to it. I get wrapped up in it too, but it's kind of disgusting when you think about how much we

01:04:08.440 consume. You know, it's cool. And I, and I heard this this past week and I really, really liked this

01:04:15.980 idea. Uh, the individual suggested that what makes Christmas special for a child is because they

01:04:23.960 receive things in which they could not get for themselves. And that has an element of magic to

01:04:31.920 it. And then as we become adults, the gifts are all the things that we can already get, right? Like

01:04:38.980 this is when Christmas starts getting difficult when you're in a position financially where you're

01:04:44.320 like, what do I buy my wife? Because everything that she's ever needed, she has already purchased

01:04:49.040 and I've already done the same thing. And so, so there's this element of, there's nothing that

01:04:54.760 they could give me that I can't get myself. And that's where the true meaning of Christmas

01:05:00.600 can actually give us that reflection. And, and, and, and if we focus on kind of like the, the

01:05:08.840 Christ's role, right. For those that are religious, now we can get back that kind of that magical,

01:05:16.320 special aspect of Christmas because there was a gift given that we cannot take on ourselves.

01:05:21.480 Yeah. I like that. I like that for the, for the Christian guys. So it was kind of cool.

01:05:27.560 And yeah, we have two questions from the IC. Should we swing them in really quick? All right.

01:05:31.460 Let's get it done. All right. Don, uh, Mucunis, there's a quote from Zig Ziglar, by the way,

01:05:38.020 B do have, I've, I've learned that like years and years ago, like 12 years ago, I'm assuming this

01:05:43.700 is where it originated from maybe because Zig Ziglar is like old school. You have to be before

01:05:49.380 you can do and do before you can have, what does a guy have to do, have to be in order to be a man,

01:05:56.520 his character, his values, his ethics. So is that safe to say that Zig Ziglar originally kind of came

01:06:02.380 up with the B do have concept? If he didn't get it from somewhere else. Yeah. I mean, that's,

01:06:05.680 that's a good source. I never heard this Zig Ziglar quote before. So I was actually quite surprised.

01:06:11.480 So what does a man have to do? Yeah. What does, what does a guy have to be in order to be a man?

01:06:19.040 So he's focused on that. B do you have the B portion of this, of this quote?

01:06:23.260 The simple answer is to be a protector, a provider, presider, or at least on the path in all ways.

01:06:29.420 Yeah. That's part of the reason I trained jujitsu. That's part of the reason that I live. That's part

01:06:33.740 of the reason that I try to gain new skills that'll help me be more effective and efficient with work.

01:06:38.880 It's more, it's the reason I believe that communication is so important because I can

01:06:43.080 lead more effectively and live in integrity because if I have integrity, then I'll have

01:06:47.360 more influence because my weight will carry word or my words will carry weight. And then I'll be able

01:06:51.420 to have influence with other people. So the answer for me is that a man should strive towards becoming a

01:07:01.460 protector, a provider, a presider, and everything I can think of the virtues, the skill sets, the,

01:07:08.480 the, the abilities all falls under the umbrella of those three roles that I play.

01:07:14.340 Yeah. I love that. I, would you agree with this, Ryan, that, cause I think some guys,

01:07:21.040 when, when they hear this quote or who you need to be and then do and have like that concept of what

01:07:27.100 is be is kind of elusive and kind of, I mean, it's different verbiage. We don't use that term very

01:07:33.060 often. You know, you are being, or how you, how you, who, who you are being in life. And, and,

01:07:38.920 and I would like to suggest that it's who you are in this moment. It's not a tomorrow thing.

01:07:46.380 That's more of a do, right? I'm going to do these things. Being is how you show up right now,

01:07:53.640 how you show up in every moment of life. And, and how you show up is everything from how you

01:08:01.760 communicate with people, how your, your internal thought processes, how you interact. It's, it's,

01:08:08.900 it's how you influence those around you at any given moment. So when I think of who I am being,

01:08:13.740 it is how I show up in that meeting, how I walk down the hallway, what my thought process is. It

01:08:21.040 is, it is a, it is a state of being more than it is anything else. Yeah. I believe that being is

01:08:29.180 pretty encompassing. You know, it's got all the virtues and the skillsets and the action and the

01:08:33.980 principles that you adhere to and how you're showing up to your point. It's, it's kind of all

01:08:39.120 encompassing of the way that we are present. I would say present. I like that.

01:08:43.740 Right. Are you, are you merely present? Like you're just kind of here, like you're just the

01:08:49.400 guy in the corner, kind of a dud. You're there. Or are you engaged? Are you, do people know that

01:08:55.000 you're there? Is your presence felt? Is it, is it acted upon? Like, are you being that kind of person?

01:09:01.160 Yeah. And, and I love that because think of different scenarios where the do, right? It's like,

01:09:06.560 okay, I, uh, you know, protect, provide, preside do. Okay. I'm going to do martial arts or I'm going

01:09:13.720 to the gym. So I'm physically in good shape or whatever. There's a big difference between going

01:09:19.400 to the gym and working out and going to the gym and being present to the man that you are wanting

01:09:26.020 to become. That workout is now different, right? Your training is now different. It's not just the

01:09:33.020 action. It's how you show up in those moments of action and how you tie it to meaningful things.

01:09:39.020 So if you believe at your core, that you are a protector, then going to train jujitsu isn't about

01:09:46.080 training jujitsu. It's about making you a more capable protector. And that doesn't mean just

01:09:53.060 physical altercation. That could be mindset. Sometimes I sit with somebody's arm around my neck

01:09:57.800 and it hurts. And I want to tap. And I'm like, you know, just sit here a little longer because

01:10:02.260 the longer I can handle that, the guy that I was rolling with this morning, Alex Tuttle had me in a

01:10:06.260 wrist lock and it hurt, but I'm like, I'm not going to tap. Like it wasn't injury situation, but it was

01:10:13.120 painful. And I'm like, I'm not tapping to this. Like I want to fully embrace this. Like, and I want to feel

01:10:19.580 how long I can hold it. And you know what? Eventually he actually let go of it because I waited

01:10:24.700 through it. He didn't think it was working. So it's like everything that you now do becomes

01:10:32.200 more significant, even little, just little things becomes much more significant when you tie it to

01:10:39.240 the person that you want to be. Yeah. I love this. At one point we should wrap or rant on this a little

01:10:46.740 bit in regards to all the aspects of being, cause I don't, for whatever reason I'm getting kind of

01:10:52.080 fired up with this concept of having it being drive to purpose and being present. And it's,

01:10:57.260 it's how you show up in, in the moments of action. All right. Last question, Tom King. Well,

01:11:01.940 what is the one thing you find or have found the hardest to change in the process of becoming

01:11:07.620 the man you are today? And what systems and process did you employ to change it? So

01:11:12.680 one thing you find and have found the hardest to change in the process of becoming the man you are

01:11:17.800 today? I would say falling into old patterns has been difficult at times. Like I've created a lot

01:11:27.720 of new patterns at this point. So it's not much I need to deal with anymore, but even still new habits

01:11:34.780 become ordinary as well. And the, the, the phrase that what got you here won't get you there has

01:11:43.740 resonated with me. So sometimes we start doing something new, like, well, let's take lifting

01:11:48.620 weights or working out. Cause that's an easy, an example of this. Let's say a guy's listening and

01:11:53.000 he's 50 pounds overweight. He's like, Hey, I, I want to, I want to, I want to be unshaped. I want to lose

01:11:58.120 50 pounds. So for 2020, that's his goal. And he goes to work, he starts eating, right? He's exercising.

01:12:04.420 He's moving his body. He's doing all the things that he needs to do. And then he loses 40 pounds. And he's

01:12:09.620 like, dude, this is awesome. I'm on the right track. I'm just going to keep doing the same thing.

01:12:14.040 Cause it's working. And then he just plateaus because we have the law of diminishing returns,

01:12:19.340 right? So initially that first 20, 30, 40 pounds, that's easy. Like you could just think about that

01:12:26.320 and that's weight will start falling off. Right. And then you start getting in that last, like 15,

01:12:31.920 10, 10, five pounds. And what got you here won't get you there. So even though your habits,

01:12:40.940 your new habits may be productive and they have for me, like I've implemented a lot of new things

01:12:45.860 over the past five years that have really enhanced my life. But I realize that it's easy to coast when

01:12:52.240 you have levels of success and you feel like this is good enough. Yeah. Or you, or you get frustrated

01:12:59.340 and wonder why what you're doing is no longer moving you forward because what you were doing

01:13:04.500 only had the capacity to get you to this point. If you want to get to that next point, you need to

01:13:10.920 level up. And I'm not saying do the thing harder. I'm not saying that there might be a new skillset

01:13:16.840 that you, or, or even just one skill that you haven't quite mastered or learned, or even aware of

01:13:21.880 that will get you past that next plateau. So that's been the hardest thing for me from letting

01:13:29.800 go of what you're doing maybe, or what's been working for so long to saying, okay, I need to

01:13:35.900 pivot and adjust my approach. Right. Because what we fall into is if it's not broke, don't,

01:13:41.180 you don't need to fix it. Yeah. Well, it may not be broken, but that doesn't mean it's going to get

01:13:46.360 you the results that you're after. Like not broken is not a measurement of success. Like if you said,

01:13:52.120 Hey Kip, you know, how's your refrigerator working? You're like, well, it's not broken.

01:13:55.940 I wouldn't think like you're real excited about that refrigerator. Maybe that's a bad example,

01:14:00.160 but your car, let's take your car, man, how's your car? Like, I know you've got a new car and like,

01:14:05.180 you seem pretty excited about it. Well, you know, it's, it's not broken. Yeah. Like that's a,

01:14:10.680 that's like an inferior metric, I guess you'd say. Right. So, but we, we do that in our life.

01:14:18.260 Like, Hey Kip, you know, how's things going? Ah, they're going okay. You know, I'm busy,

01:14:21.820 but things are good. Yeah. They're okay. They're good. Yeah. Ordinary, average.

01:14:26.540 It's like, what it's, that's not a great metric to live your life by. Totally. Or if, if your game

01:14:31.420 and jujitsu is, you know, maybe one of your games right now is, is you just going for Kimuras all the

01:14:36.560 time. Right. And it's working. Awesome. Eventually. Right. Everyone knows your game.

01:14:42.860 Everyone knows that's what you're going for. And then you're like, Hey, how's that Kimura game

01:14:47.020 working out for you? Uh, it's not working anymore. Right. I, if a new guy comes in the gym, it works

01:14:53.600 great. Right. Right. But, but for me to get past this plateau in my training, I got to switch it up.

01:15:01.060 Right. I got to start going for neck attacks or legs or, you know, change my game up a little bit

01:15:07.400 because I plateaued or the environment has met me to where I am today. And for me to move beyond that

01:15:16.060 environment, I now need to increase my game and evolve and change and grow. Yeah. To his last

01:15:23.580 question about systems and processes. Yeah. That'll plan. Yeah. Just think about it, man.

01:15:32.200 Every quarter, like every quarter you have to, you don't have to, but you have the opportunity to

01:15:37.200 reevaluate that. And before every quarter we reevaluate, look at our new vision for ourselves,

01:15:43.060 if that changes or tweaks at all. Um, and then we make our adjustments. It's like, okay, cool. You know,

01:15:49.400 my, my last year's last year's goal was to hit 400 pound deadlift. Cool. Hit 400 pound deadlift.

01:15:54.700 That's not the end. Like what's the next, the next thing. And maybe it's 425 pounds. Maybe it's not

01:16:01.720 even deadlifting. Maybe it's that you want to do a marathon. Okay. That battle planning process and

01:16:06.800 having that system in place is what allows you to continue to evolve and change and gives you the

01:16:11.700 permission and then the strategy to be able to do it. Totally. And it's, and it's January one,

01:16:16.740 right? You guys are listening to this say, if, if those visions aren't in place,

01:16:20.480 those battle plans aren't in place, don't procrastinate to next quarter or even next week.

01:16:27.880 It's January one. So if you're listening to this before you go to bed tonight, figure it out,

01:16:32.640 right? What's your vision? What are you going to plan to do?

01:16:36.840 And if you do that and you have a battle plan done tonight, it's probably going to be inferior to

01:16:42.140 what it could be. That's okay because it's superior to nothing. So, so get it done. And then

01:16:49.860 if over the next seven days, you just need to go back and refine and tweak and hone it a little bit,

01:16:54.800 cool. But at least you've got the foundation, the basis for your improvement for the next quarter in

01:16:59.480 place. Yeah. And, and to what you were saying earlier, you may not know what you need to tweak

01:17:04.200 on that battle plan. You may not know what those adjustments need to be until you start taking some

01:17:09.180 action because those are blind spots and you're not going to know what those blind spots are until

01:17:13.200 you start taking some action anyway. Right. So if, if you guys need a battle plan or the battle

01:17:19.620 planner, you can actually, I'm going to stop. Go ahead. Just real quick. Yeah. Yeah. I only want

01:17:23.920 to, I only want to share two resources for the guys today. And I didn't tell you this. I should

01:17:27.760 have told you this, but in our conversation, this came up. The first one is the book sovereignty,

01:17:32.560 the battle for the hearts and minds of men. That book is going to set you on course. If you're a man

01:17:37.880 trying to improve in every capacity of your life. And at the end of the book, we have it very

01:17:42.940 documented of how to create your own battle plan, your 12 week battle plan. So if you're interested

01:17:48.320 in what we're talking about, you want to know how to do it. The book sovereignty, you can get it on

01:17:51.860 Amazon, wherever books are sold. That's your guide. Yep. Yes. Correct. Number two, and actually a

01:17:58.800 requirement within the first few days or weeks of being in the iron council is to read sovereignty.

01:18:04.440 And that's the second resource I wanted to talk to you about is the iron council. Uh, we are focusing

01:18:10.120 on competition for the month of January. We are honing and refining and going through our battle

01:18:16.480 plans. We are 500 plus men working together to establish these systems and procedures that we've

01:18:23.700 been talking about in this podcast to make this year, 2020 your best year ever. It's not going to

01:18:30.000 miraculously happen. I get that. We all like little catchphrases like 2019 was my warmup and 2020 was my

01:18:36.820 year. Cool, bro. Like, what are you going to do different this year than last year? Uh, I don't

01:18:42.940 know. Well then in 2021, you're going to say 2020 was my warmup. 2021 is my year. Like make this your

01:18:51.440 year. Yeah. Join us inside the iron council. If you want the systems and the frameworks and the

01:18:56.120 accountability and camaraderie and the brotherhood and everything else that comes with it, and then do

01:19:00.000 the work so that you don't have to keep saying that was my warmup year. That was my warmup year.

01:19:05.280 And you say that for the next two decades, like make this the year. If you don't mind me adding a

01:19:09.940 thought for everybody, Ryan is, and everyone consider this really quick. What is the probable future?

01:19:16.900 If you continue doing exactly what you've been doing, look into the future and say, Hey, if I'm

01:19:23.980 going to continue doing what I did in 2019 and I do the same thing in 2020, what is the probable

01:19:28.980 future for me? And some of you may come to the hard realization is a probable future might be a

01:19:34.380 divorce. The probable future might be relationships that you didn't address. The probable future might be

01:19:40.420 loved ones passing away and you never being complete in those relationships. The probable future

01:19:45.460 for a lot of us, if we're not leveling up in some way is probably not ideal. So back to Ryan's

01:19:53.980 question, what are you going to do about it? I like that. I like the framing on that. All right,

01:19:59.760 man. I think that's a wrap. We've got the first one done of 2020 guys. We're glad you're on this

01:20:04.820 path with us. This is going to be a really good year. 2019 wasn't my warmup year. I don't like that

01:20:10.780 phrase, but I'm telling you, we are exponentially growing. We are continuing to grow. We are

01:20:16.280 continuing to evolve. Uh, things are really looking good and are going to continue to grow,

01:20:22.300 uh, based on your responses, based on your engagement and based on the plans that we have

01:20:27.680 for order of man and iron council. And I thank you for being on the path with me and Kip and everybody

01:20:33.400 else who's involved. Uh, we could not do it without you. We're glad you're here. And, uh, let's, let's

01:20:39.940 get the year started off. Right. Anything else you'd add Kip? Happy new year. All right, guys, get out

01:20:45.220 there, take action, become the man you are meant to be. Thank you for listening to the order of man

01:20:49.680 podcast. You're ready to take charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be.

01:20:54.460 We invite you to join the order at order of man.com.

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The Pros and Cons of Comparison, Weighing Risk, and the Virtues Needed to Thrive ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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