Order of Man - August 02, 2024


The Seven Masculine Archetypes ｜ FRIDAY FIELD NOTES


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38 minutes

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177.46974

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6,760

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510

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

6


Summary

What does it mean to be a man? What are the archetypes of what it means to be masculine? How do they differ from each other and how do they relate to masculinity? In this episode, we discuss the 7 masculine archetypes and how to identify them.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 My intention today, guys, was to give you these archetypes,
00:00:03.400 not to pigeonhole you into being one or the other
00:00:05.840 or all this or all that or a combination of.
00:00:08.260 It's just so you can start seeing how you view yourself
00:00:12.040 and how other people view you.
00:00:14.560 Now, I would challenge you to ask yourself,
00:00:16.600 where do you fall and where do you want to fall?
00:00:19.240 We're just looking at what our strengths and weaknesses are,
00:00:21.720 what categories we fall into,
00:00:23.340 how we can improve in one area
00:00:25.060 and how we can shore up the areas we're not so great at
00:00:27.320 so that we can be the well-rounded men
00:00:28.920 that people need us to be.
00:00:31.960 You're a man of action.
00:00:33.600 You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears,
00:00:36.240 and boldly chart your own path.
00:00:37.980 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.
00:00:42.420 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.
00:00:47.500 This is your life. This is who you are.
00:00:50.000 This is who you will become.
00:00:51.740 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,
00:00:54.760 you can call yourself a man.
00:00:56.680 Men, today I want to talk with you about seven masculine archetypes.
00:01:02.300 A lot of the information I'm going to share with you
00:01:03.860 is derived a little bit from the book
00:01:05.680 Warrior King, Magician Lover by Robert Moore and Douglas Gillette.
00:01:10.840 But we've adapted it and added some different archetypes in here
00:01:14.760 because I don't think that we all fit into one of those four categories.
00:01:19.140 And quite honestly, I don't think we all fit perfectly
00:01:21.580 into one of the seven categories that I'm going to give to you today.
00:01:25.240 Inevitably, when I talk about what it means to be a man and masculinity,
00:01:29.300 I'm often met with questions about the warrior archetype.
00:01:33.500 That if a man can't be a quote-unquote warrior,
00:01:35.800 does that make him any less of a man?
00:01:38.040 I think these archetypes, as I share them with you today,
00:01:40.580 will help articulate that question for you,
00:01:42.880 or at least the answer to that question,
00:01:45.000 and help you understand, in the absence of some of the skills
00:01:47.880 that we would generally attribute to manliness and masculinity,
00:01:51.420 there still are ways to incorporate your personality,
00:01:55.480 your style, and your archetype into a tool,
00:02:00.140 a useful tool to influence those people around you
00:02:04.420 in a positive and effective way.
00:02:06.420 So I'm going to share with you, again,
00:02:08.000 seven of the masculine archetypes that I've identified.
00:02:11.200 I'm also going to give you some examples,
00:02:13.600 some very well-known examples,
00:02:14.960 of the types of men and who exactly
00:02:17.220 would fit into each one of these archetypes.
00:02:21.500 And then we'll talk about the pros and the cons
00:02:24.040 and what each of these archetypes look like.
00:02:26.580 So let's get into it.
00:02:27.980 Before I get into the archetypes, though,
00:02:29.620 I do want to explain that as a man,
00:02:31.980 and this happens to be our motto,
00:02:33.480 you can see it over my right shoulder.
00:02:36.100 I think it's even on my hat.
00:02:37.920 Our motto is to protect, provide, preside.
00:02:40.880 And I think at the core of what it means to be a man
00:02:43.220 is to be just that, a protector, a provider, and a presider.
00:02:48.260 So if we break that down to protect physically,
00:02:51.660 mentally, emotionally, to protect our loved ones
00:02:54.060 and to take care of them, to provide for them,
00:02:57.000 financially, spiritually, emotionally,
00:03:00.020 and then to preside, which is synonymous with leadership,
00:03:03.060 leading them effectively, leading them righteously,
00:03:05.480 and helping those individuals under our care
00:03:07.840 get to a place they could not have imagined
00:03:09.780 going on their own.
00:03:11.120 That is what it means to be a man.
00:03:13.220 And a boy becomes a man
00:03:14.600 when he learns how to do that effectively,
00:03:16.840 when he learns how to harness
00:03:17.940 his masculine characteristics and traits
00:03:20.080 for productive outcomes
00:03:21.660 to protect, provide, and preside for other people.
00:03:25.280 Now, as we know that that is the foundation of,
00:03:29.780 at least I believe that's what it is,
00:03:32.100 and I think many of you listening would agree with that,
00:03:34.760 if that's the foundation of what it means to be a man,
00:03:37.360 to be a protector, a provider, and presider,
00:03:39.340 the question then is, how do you do that?
00:03:41.940 Well, there's a lot of different ways to do that.
00:03:43.860 And typically, when we think of what it means to be a man,
00:03:46.940 or we envision the quintessential man,
00:03:49.300 we think of two archetypes primarily,
00:03:51.540 and that is the king and the warrior.
00:03:53.780 And those are two that are predominantly masculine.
00:03:56.640 We're gonna talk about that, but there's five others.
00:03:58.780 So let's break this down.
00:04:00.320 Number one is the king.
00:04:02.560 The king is a visionary.
00:04:03.920 The king is somebody who knows exactly
00:04:05.880 where he's going to go.
00:04:06.880 He has a sense of obligation, responsibility,
00:04:12.000 and duty to lead people.
00:04:15.240 He knows where he wants to go.
00:04:17.720 He has a clear vision for what that looks like,
00:04:19.880 and he's able to articulate that in a very clear way.
00:04:24.140 These are the type of men that we wanna follow
00:04:26.240 because they have that visionary aspect.
00:04:29.060 And it seems, from where we sit,
00:04:31.480 that they have the mental, physical,
00:04:33.720 and emotional fortitude to do the difficult things
00:04:37.200 that most people are unwilling to do.
00:04:40.720 When we're on social media,
00:04:42.140 or when we're having discussions with friends,
00:04:44.120 a lot of men will cower.
00:04:45.880 A lot of men won't share how they really feel.
00:04:47.980 A lot of men will be more concerned
00:04:49.840 with making sure everybody is happy
00:04:51.640 and comfortable and complacent.
00:04:53.520 But a king knows exactly where he's going,
00:04:57.000 and he isn't afraid of offending people.
00:05:00.740 He isn't afraid of ostracizing people
00:05:03.240 that are not part of his quote-unquote kingdom.
00:05:06.440 He knows who his people are.
00:05:09.040 He knows how to serve them.
00:05:10.580 He knows how to communicate effectively with them.
00:05:12.760 And he uses all of the tools at his disposal
00:05:15.240 to lead from the front.
00:05:17.420 This is what a king is.
00:05:18.980 So if we're to look in culture today, relevant kings,
00:05:22.440 and I wanna throw this disclaimer out here,
00:05:24.600 some of the people that I suggest
00:05:27.100 and share with you today,
00:05:28.100 you're not going to agree with
00:05:31.040 or even appreciate the type of people they are.
00:05:34.600 But I don't think there's any doubt
00:05:36.200 if we look at this objectively
00:05:37.580 that these are the king archetypes.
00:05:40.600 Just because they're a king
00:05:41.980 doesn't mean we need to agree
00:05:43.580 with everything that individual has to say.
00:05:46.480 But again, they know who their people are,
00:05:49.140 and they know how to serve them
00:05:50.860 and take them to a place
00:05:52.500 that those people probably wouldn't go on their own.
00:05:54.580 So let's take a look at this.
00:05:55.540 Number one, Elon Musk.
00:05:57.060 He is a king archetype.
00:05:59.040 He's a visionary.
00:06:00.380 He's willing to take risks.
00:06:02.200 He's willing to explore new ideas.
00:06:04.280 Now, he's not the greatest communicator,
00:06:06.380 and I think that has to do with
00:06:07.840 the way his personality works
00:06:09.820 and the way his mind works,
00:06:11.060 that a lot of it goes on up here,
00:06:12.820 and his ability to communicate that effectively
00:06:14.600 isn't always as polished
00:06:16.460 as some of the other people
00:06:17.680 that I share with you today.
00:06:18.900 But he does know how to speak to his people.
00:06:22.740 He does know how to communicate to his people.
00:06:25.420 He does know how to get people on board
00:06:27.360 with what he's doing.
00:06:28.960 Now, make no mistake,
00:06:30.700 this is a polarizing figure,
00:06:32.220 especially since he bought Twitter,
00:06:34.440 which is now X.
00:06:35.400 He became more polarizing when he did that.
00:06:38.080 A king isn't worried about appeasing everybody
00:06:40.460 because a king's job
00:06:41.900 is not to make everybody comfortable.
00:06:44.020 A king's job is to serve his kingdom,
00:06:46.780 and Elon Musk knows who his kingdom is,
00:06:49.540 and so he serves those individuals
00:06:51.220 in spite of what everybody else might think of him.
00:06:55.100 Another person that comes to mind immediately
00:06:57.360 is Donald Trump.
00:06:58.940 He is a king archetype.
00:07:01.040 He's bold.
00:07:02.340 He's audacious.
00:07:03.560 Yes, he's brash,
00:07:04.580 and yes, we can debate his morals and principles
00:07:06.840 and all of that,
00:07:07.620 and certainly there's room for discussion there.
00:07:10.220 But there's no denying that he is a king archetype.
00:07:13.400 He's got a vision.
00:07:15.080 He's got the means to do it.
00:07:16.480 He's got the mental, the physical,
00:07:19.320 and emotional fortitude
00:07:20.520 to see things through to the end.
00:07:22.740 He isn't easily convinced
00:07:25.240 that his way isn't the best way
00:07:27.280 or that there's another way of doing it,
00:07:29.020 and we can debate the merits,
00:07:31.040 but I'm telling you what,
00:07:31.980 this is a man who's willing to take risks.
00:07:34.360 He knows who his people are,
00:07:35.980 MAGA, MAGA community, MAGA country, right?
00:07:38.640 He knows who they are,
00:07:40.020 and he knows how to speak directly to who they are.
00:07:42.980 And guys, if you're going to adopt this king mindset
00:07:46.140 or this king archetype,
00:07:47.920 then you need to be willing to identify
00:07:49.800 who your loyal people are
00:07:52.040 and speak to them directly.
00:07:54.440 If we look at it in the context of order of man,
00:07:57.140 I work with men.
00:07:59.720 So everything that I share and talk with you about
00:08:01.840 is fashioned knowing that
00:08:04.240 I'm gonna be communicating with men.
00:08:06.460 Now, there's plenty of women who listen,
00:08:08.080 and I'm grateful,
00:08:09.120 and I'm glad that we have women
00:08:10.380 who believe in what we're doing
00:08:11.520 to reclaim and restore masculinity,
00:08:13.500 but I'm not talking or speaking in a way
00:08:15.420 that resonates directly with them.
00:08:17.520 If they happen to find value, wonderful,
00:08:20.000 but I speak to men.
00:08:21.940 And so some people will say,
00:08:23.180 well, you're ostracizing members of the group.
00:08:24.960 I'm not ostracizing anybody.
00:08:27.100 I'm inclusive of the people
00:08:28.320 that I'm working to serve and lead,
00:08:30.420 and that's what kings do.
00:08:32.220 Another couple of examples that come to mind,
00:08:34.680 and I'm just using well-known examples.
00:08:36.980 I'd like you guys to take the characteristics
00:08:38.540 and the attributes and the virtues of these individuals
00:08:40.700 and really filter them through how you're showing up
00:08:43.440 and how the people in your lives are showing up,
00:08:45.580 bosses, family members, colleagues, coworkers,
00:08:48.800 friends, et cetera.
00:08:49.940 Another couple of people that come to mind,
00:08:51.940 Steve Jobs, the late Steve Jobs.
00:08:54.120 Obviously a visionary,
00:08:55.980 obviously willing to take risks,
00:08:58.100 obviously willing to rub people the wrong way.
00:09:01.060 Not that that was his intention necessarily,
00:09:03.360 but certainly willing to do it
00:09:04.640 in order to serve a greater mission.
00:09:07.200 And he knew how to inspire people
00:09:09.200 to buy into the vision that he had.
00:09:11.440 Another one that comes to mind is Jeff Bezos.
00:09:14.020 Same scenario.
00:09:16.000 Visionary, risk taker,
00:09:18.680 willing to put it on the line,
00:09:20.340 willing to express and share his beliefs and his ideas,
00:09:23.540 and then obviously creates this incredible empire.
00:09:26.420 And that's the underlying foundation
00:09:28.040 of what it means to be a king.
00:09:29.480 You are creating something bigger than yourself.
00:09:31.780 Elon Musk has Cybertruck and Tesla.
00:09:37.200 Well, I guess those are one in the same,
00:09:38.540 but Tesla, SpaceX, obviously X now.
00:09:41.760 He is building an empire.
00:09:43.780 We can see that.
00:09:44.440 Trump is building an empire.
00:09:46.760 We can see that with MAGA.
00:09:48.740 Steve Jobs built an empire.
00:09:50.920 My phone's not right here,
00:09:52.000 but I'm on an Apple computer.
00:09:53.920 I've got my Apple phone over there.
00:09:56.320 Millions and millions of men who listen to this podcast
00:09:58.280 have the same devices.
00:09:59.880 He's obviously passed away now,
00:10:01.420 but he built an empire.
00:10:03.480 Jeff Bezos with Amazon,
00:10:05.140 starting by trading used books online,
00:10:07.900 has built an empire.
00:10:09.160 This is what kings do.
00:10:10.660 And again, we don't have to agree with or like them,
00:10:13.920 but these are examples of what it means to be a king.
00:10:16.100 Let's move into the next one.
00:10:17.300 The next one is warrior.
00:10:18.680 And typically this is the quintessential man.
00:10:21.500 When I say think of a man's man,
00:10:23.820 most people would probably think of either the king
00:10:26.900 or somebody that falls into the warrior category.
00:10:30.020 There's incredible warriors.
00:10:31.900 Not that they're all warriors in that they've joined the military,
00:10:36.020 but they have this warrior mentality,
00:10:38.880 this warrior spirit.
00:10:40.620 They go out into the world and they protect.
00:10:43.680 They defend.
00:10:45.440 They're really,
00:10:46.200 they have a deep sense of obligation to protect their people,
00:10:50.060 to take care of,
00:10:51.020 to provide for their people.
00:10:52.580 And they're willing to risk themselves,
00:10:54.720 their own lives in many ways,
00:10:56.420 to embrace ideals,
00:10:58.360 to protect people who are less than capable of protecting themselves.
00:11:02.260 These are incredible,
00:11:03.640 incredible men.
00:11:04.340 A couple of that come to mind for me.
00:11:06.260 Number one,
00:11:06.820 Jocko Willink.
00:11:07.900 This is a man who obviously,
00:11:09.920 because of the nature of his work and career as a Navy SEAL
00:11:13.820 and a Navy SEAL commander,
00:11:15.460 this is somebody we can all agree,
00:11:17.440 again,
00:11:17.760 whether you like the guy or not is irrelevant,
00:11:19.880 but this is somebody we can all agree is a warrior.
00:11:23.980 He has a deep sense of duty and obligation.
00:11:27.620 He has a deep sense of belief of right and wrong,
00:11:32.620 good and evil.
00:11:33.960 And he's willing to stand for what he believes in so much so that he's
00:11:37.940 willing to lay his life down in order to defend and protect that ideal.
00:11:43.980 Another one that comes to mind.
00:11:45.460 And by the way,
00:11:45.900 some of these guys have been on the podcast.
00:11:47.440 Jocko has been on multiple times.
00:11:48.800 The other one I was going to mention is somebody like Cam Haynes.
00:11:51.640 Now,
00:11:51.940 Cam is not a veteran,
00:11:53.240 but Cam is an avid hunter.
00:11:55.460 If you guys follow Cam Haynes,
00:11:56.940 you know that he's a hunter.
00:11:58.680 This is the warrior mentality.
00:12:00.680 He goes out into the world.
00:12:02.200 He believes in what he's doing.
00:12:03.960 He provides for his friends and family.
00:12:06.220 He makes himself physically,
00:12:08.480 mentally,
00:12:08.840 and emotionally capable of doing his work.
00:12:11.240 And he goes and he gets the work done.
00:12:15.460 He goes out in the mountains and he's hiking.
00:12:18.020 He's running a marathon just about every single day.
00:12:21.480 This is a warrior mentality.
00:12:22.940 Another person that comes to mind is somebody like Bedros Koulian.
00:12:27.240 Again,
00:12:27.820 not a veteran,
00:12:29.500 an immigrant to this country,
00:12:30.940 and has created incredible organizations with Fit Body Bootcamp and Modern Day Night Project
00:12:37.100 and the Squire Program and the other programs that he's created.
00:12:41.800 But when you listen to somebody like Bedros,
00:12:43.980 you can clearly see that this is a warrior's heart.
00:12:47.420 He's somebody that has,
00:12:48.520 again,
00:12:48.660 a deep sense of moral conviction.
00:12:50.820 Somebody has a deeply seated belief in what is right and what is wrong.
00:12:54.680 And he cannot,
00:12:55.900 he refuses,
00:12:56.580 I don't even think it's in his DNA to sit back and let things happen
00:13:01.560 if it's something that is in conflict with his ideal of the way that he sees life.
00:13:08.900 So those are three great examples of warriors.
00:13:12.540 I'm just pulling a couple out that come to mind immediately for me.
00:13:15.580 Obviously,
00:13:15.900 there's a lot more.
00:13:17.220 But if you want to be a warrior,
00:13:18.660 you have to ask yourself,
00:13:20.000 do I have that moral conviction?
00:13:22.880 Do I have that clarity of right and wrong?
00:13:24.980 Am I willing to say and do what needs to be said and done in order to protect that ideal?
00:13:29.980 Am I willing to lay down my life?
00:13:32.020 Do I believe enough in this thing that I'm willing to lay down my life?
00:13:36.680 And am I a fighter?
00:13:38.400 Do I have that fighting soul?
00:13:42.260 Excuse me.
00:13:43.720 All right,
00:13:44.000 let's move to the next.
00:13:45.420 And by the way,
00:13:45.860 these are,
00:13:46.460 again,
00:13:46.920 we're talking about these seven archetypes.
00:13:49.060 Guys,
00:13:49.440 all of these can be masculine.
00:13:50.980 Again,
00:13:51.460 we're tying it back to the masculine ideal of being a protector,
00:13:56.280 a provider,
00:13:57.060 and a presider.
00:13:57.960 And all of these things can be done in each one of these archetypes.
00:14:01.420 Now,
00:14:02.040 I'm not going to say that these are always so black and white,
00:14:04.580 or that we fit perfectly into these labels that we create.
00:14:08.320 In fact,
00:14:08.640 it's not even my goal to label these men or even you.
00:14:12.360 It's my goal to help you see what masculinity looks like in various forms,
00:14:17.920 so that you can take your strengths and make those better.
00:14:20.920 And you can take your weaknesses and shore those up.
00:14:24.060 So let's move to the next one.
00:14:25.780 In warrior king,
00:14:26.780 magician lover.
00:14:27.820 I think they would talk a little bit about the magician.
00:14:30.100 Now I've opted to go with the term jester,
00:14:33.920 right?
00:14:34.200 The jester is an integral part of the community.
00:14:37.960 He keeps things light.
00:14:39.840 He keeps things fun.
00:14:41.720 He keeps things enjoyable.
00:14:43.040 We give the jester permission to say the things in jest.
00:14:48.740 That's where that,
00:14:49.440 that phrase comes from in jest that we ordinary civilians don't give
00:14:56.280 ourselves the same permission to say we have to have that outlet.
00:15:00.300 So this is the comedian.
00:15:02.340 This is the class clown.
00:15:04.120 This is somebody who likes to make people laugh and sees life as just a
00:15:08.960 process of enjoyable experiences and wants to have fun.
00:15:12.960 And wants to play and wants to go on adventure.
00:15:15.460 And these are crucial aspects of what it means to be a man.
00:15:18.680 And also I want to say that each one of these archetypes taken to the extreme
00:15:23.220 can be a real challenge.
00:15:26.320 The king,
00:15:27.400 for example,
00:15:27.940 becomes a tyrant.
00:15:30.500 Okay.
00:15:30.640 The warrior taken to the extreme becomes incapable of empathy and compassion and
00:15:35.700 kindness and understanding.
00:15:38.360 The jester taken to the extreme.
00:15:41.420 Can't take anything seriously.
00:15:43.400 He's sarcastic and irritable and moody.
00:15:47.740 And a lot of the times could even be unsuccessful because he's so worried about making light of
00:15:53.000 every situation that he,
00:15:55.460 he's not really applying himself the way that he otherwise could.
00:15:58.460 So it's important to know that this is a spectrum.
00:16:00.620 You have the jester,
00:16:01.360 but then you have somebody who's just the class clown and the idiot.
00:16:03.940 You have the king and then the tyrant.
00:16:05.860 You have the warrior taken to the extreme is also could be looked at as a tyrant or a warrior for
00:16:11.160 the other side against you.
00:16:12.660 Right?
00:16:12.980 So the jester who comes to mind in the jester category?
00:16:16.780 Well,
00:16:16.980 somebody like Theo Vaughn,
00:16:18.600 right?
00:16:19.780 Class clown,
00:16:21.200 funny.
00:16:22.380 He's,
00:16:22.900 he's even self deprecating.
00:16:24.600 He's willing to poke fun at himself.
00:16:26.600 My girlfriend and I about three weeks ago,
00:16:29.740 four weeks ago,
00:16:30.440 we're able to see Theo Vaughn live here in Southern Utah.
00:16:34.320 And he was always willing to poke fun at himself,
00:16:37.200 but he didn't just poke fun at himself.
00:16:39.000 He poked fun at everybody else and it breaks the tension.
00:16:43.680 It's the,
00:16:44.700 it's,
00:16:45.220 it's the outlet.
00:16:46.960 It's the vent that society needs in order to just not to take everything in life so
00:16:51.900 seriously and have some fun,
00:16:53.580 lighten up and laugh.
00:16:55.160 And we all like to laugh.
00:16:56.580 We all like to have fun.
00:16:57.860 We all like to enjoy life.
00:16:59.360 The jester is the person who makes it possible.
00:17:02.000 Another one that comes to mind that maybe you wouldn't initially think of is somebody
00:17:05.520 like Ryan Reynolds.
00:17:06.460 Obviously he's,
00:17:08.360 he's an actor.
00:17:09.540 He's very well known,
00:17:10.880 but he knows how to use comedy.
00:17:13.220 He knows comedic timing.
00:17:15.100 Again,
00:17:15.620 another guy who's self deprecating,
00:17:17.420 another guy who pokes fun at things that aren't always so convenient to laugh at.
00:17:23.940 He's willing to do that.
00:17:25.260 You know,
00:17:25.520 if you've seen the movie Deadpool,
00:17:26.920 and I think there's a new movie Deadpool versus Wolverine or Deadpool and Wolverine.
00:17:31.620 I don't know what it is,
00:17:32.240 but I can rest assured knowing that Ryan Reynolds is going to be the sarcastic,
00:17:38.780 funny Deadpool that all of us already know.
00:17:43.140 Okay.
00:17:43.300 So another person that comes to mind is somebody like Dave Chappelle.
00:17:46.800 Again,
00:17:47.400 very funny.
00:17:49.140 Uses comedy too.
00:17:50.740 And what I really appreciate about somebody like Dave Chappelle is Dave actually tackles
00:17:55.220 real challenging societal issues that are always a little bit confronting,
00:18:02.240 always a little bit polarizing and challenging.
00:18:05.100 Dave does this in a very,
00:18:06.520 very good way.
00:18:07.040 And again,
00:18:07.360 we can debate and talk about whether or not we agree with his opinions,
00:18:10.460 but you cannot debate that he falls into the gesture archetype.
00:18:14.460 And he does it in a way that actually gets the real issues to the surface so that people can
00:18:21.220 start talking about those things,
00:18:22.720 hopefully in an intelligent way.
00:18:26.320 So all three of those examples,
00:18:28.580 Theo Vaughn,
00:18:29.140 Ryan Reynolds,
00:18:29.700 Dave Chappelle,
00:18:30.640 clearly personalities are different.
00:18:32.760 Clearly they're looking at life differently.
00:18:34.400 They see it differently,
00:18:35.140 the way they approach their,
00:18:36.660 their humor and their wit.
00:18:38.800 These are also people who are very,
00:18:40.360 very intelligent.
00:18:40.960 I think that a lot of the times we discount comedians their intelligence because we think
00:18:46.380 they're just being stupid or funny.
00:18:48.440 They're not.
00:18:49.400 They see things that we don't always see.
00:18:51.680 They see life in a different way.
00:18:53.720 You know,
00:18:53.880 the way Theo Vaughn thinks about things sometimes sounds ridiculous,
00:18:56.840 but it's also really interesting if you think about it and having those outlets and having those
00:19:01.140 people that see things differently than the rest of us is a good thing.
00:19:05.520 The other thing I'll say is that again,
00:19:07.980 we're always not going to fit into one of these categories or the other.
00:19:10.960 There's going to be a lot of crossover warrior,
00:19:14.060 for example,
00:19:14.700 Jocko Willink.
00:19:16.100 What's interesting about Jocko is he's also very well educated and he's able to communicate
00:19:21.420 and articulate ideas.
00:19:22.840 He's a,
00:19:23.320 he's a genius marketer.
00:19:25.160 And so that might fall into one of the categories I'm going to talk about here shortly,
00:19:28.320 but we don't always fit neatly into one of these categories.
00:19:32.020 We usually have strengths.
00:19:33.780 So let's move into this next category.
00:19:35.420 And this is the one I wanted to talk about with regards to Jocko.
00:19:37.760 Now he isn't somebody you would immediately think of somebody in this category,
00:19:40.940 but he certainly can fall into this or he has tendencies of falling into this category.
00:19:46.040 And that is the scholar.
00:19:48.200 That is the person who is well-versed.
00:19:50.360 They're knowledgeable.
00:19:51.700 They think about things deeply.
00:19:53.880 They're analytical.
00:19:54.960 They research.
00:19:56.160 They dive deep into subjects that are important to them.
00:19:58.880 They're not interested in surface level discussions.
00:20:01.720 These people are not usually funny.
00:20:03.780 They're not jesters.
00:20:05.300 They're usually very serious.
00:20:06.860 They take things seriously.
00:20:08.620 They believe that life is to be,
00:20:10.960 is to be lived in a serious way.
00:20:14.380 And so the two that immediately come to mind,
00:20:16.860 the quintessential intellect,
00:20:18.600 obviously you have a man like Jordan Peterson,
00:20:20.900 not,
00:20:22.200 not a funny person,
00:20:23.460 not somebody who's light and carefree,
00:20:26.080 but he's clearly,
00:20:28.360 clearly thinking about subjects in a deep,
00:20:31.840 significant and meaningful way.
00:20:33.780 Sometimes in fact,
00:20:34.820 when he communicates,
00:20:35.900 you can watch him.
00:20:37.020 It's almost as if you're hearing his brain work because he'll ramble on with
00:20:43.220 sentences.
00:20:43.640 And sometimes it's hard to really put those things together and he'll go on
00:20:48.500 different tangents.
00:20:49.360 And then eventually he'll bring it back in because he's very intelligent.
00:20:52.080 He'll bring it back together.
00:20:54.780 And then all of a sudden you have a coherent thought,
00:20:57.000 but that's his brain processing information,
00:21:00.400 thoughts,
00:21:00.920 ideas,
00:21:01.500 and then bringing it in a way that's deliverable for people.
00:21:06.700 Another person that comes to mind,
00:21:08.720 again,
00:21:09.120 this is an obvious example is a man we know as Andrew Huberman,
00:21:13.960 very intellectual,
00:21:15.780 very brilliant,
00:21:17.040 very bright,
00:21:18.360 maybe not always the greatest communicator,
00:21:20.540 but we can't deny that this is a person who thinks deeply,
00:21:23.880 more deeply than most people about subjects that are relevant,
00:21:27.540 important to him.
00:21:28.740 Now,
00:21:28.920 again,
00:21:29.680 I've,
00:21:30.240 I haven't,
00:21:31.680 these two individuals,
00:21:33.100 Jordan Peterson and Andrew Huberman,
00:21:34.520 at times I've said,
00:21:35.680 you've heard me say that I don't resonate with these guys.
00:21:38.340 Like a lot of this feels unnecessary because that's not my personality.
00:21:42.800 And that's what we need to understand.
00:21:44.320 Of course,
00:21:45.460 the intellect isn't going to really resonate with somebody with a different archetype.
00:21:52.380 Now I'm going to bring Jocko back into this.
00:21:54.380 Jocko is primarily a warrior archetype,
00:21:57.620 but as I said earlier,
00:21:59.120 we don't fit so neatly into these categories.
00:22:01.540 He's also an intellectual archetype.
00:22:04.120 He has a little bit of that in him.
00:22:05.480 And we know that because when he does his podcast for three hours,
00:22:09.880 he's obviously well-versed.
00:22:12.140 He's well-researched.
00:22:13.560 He reads the books.
00:22:14.680 He's taking notes.
00:22:15.560 He's asking thoughtful questions.
00:22:17.860 And it's the dichotomy of the warrior and the intellect that makes somebody like Jocko interesting.
00:22:25.000 It's the same reason why the intellectual Jock is going to be an interesting person.
00:22:31.960 When we think of Jock,
00:22:33.300 we think of big,
00:22:34.040 dumb idiot.
00:22:34.500 When we think of intellect,
00:22:36.460 we think of nerdy,
00:22:38.060 wimpy geek.
00:22:39.300 Now Jordan Peterson,
00:22:41.820 no offense here at all,
00:22:44.240 but he fits that physical description.
00:22:48.320 Like he's not a physical specimen.
00:22:50.760 Now he dresses well.
00:22:52.700 He looks the part,
00:22:53.680 but even with what he dresses,
00:22:55.100 he's still signifying that he's the intellect.
00:22:57.420 Think of his suit.
00:22:58.300 Think of his hair.
00:22:59.360 Think of his beard,
00:23:00.160 which signifies wisdom.
00:23:01.720 Think about the gray that he embraces.
00:23:03.440 Think about his mannerisms.
00:23:05.320 It's authoritative,
00:23:07.020 meaning I'm the authority on this subject.
00:23:09.400 Now,
00:23:09.640 Andrew Huberman's a little bit of an anomaly because this is a guy who actually looks more like the warrior archetype.
00:23:17.740 He's fit.
00:23:18.660 He's fit.
00:23:19.520 He's strong.
00:23:20.660 He's obviously a physical specimen.
00:23:23.360 He trains hard.
00:23:25.180 He works hard.
00:23:26.260 And yet he's an intellect.
00:23:27.660 And I think what's really important to extract is that when you as a man can embrace,
00:23:33.700 I won't say conflicting archetypes,
00:23:37.100 but competing archetypes,
00:23:38.520 you actually make yourself really interesting.
00:23:41.040 This is why Andrew Huberman's interesting.
00:23:43.140 This is why Jocko Willink is interesting.
00:23:45.060 Because they have the warrior look,
00:23:47.840 and Jocko's the warrior archetype with a secondary as intellect,
00:23:51.020 and Andrew Huberman's an intellect with a secondary as a warrior.
00:23:54.800 So these are interesting people because they,
00:23:57.740 not only do they apply or appeal, I should say, to their own archetype,
00:24:03.880 they start appealing to other archetypes.
00:24:07.240 And this is why you see men like this build influence and credibility and authority
00:24:11.980 with large swaths of people,
00:24:14.500 because they're reaching across their primary archetype.
00:24:19.020 All right, let's move over to the next one.
00:24:21.340 The next one is priest.
00:24:23.280 Now, the priest is interesting because the priest is able to tap into a higher power.
00:24:28.780 The priest is not the authority,
00:24:30.800 and the priest knows that he's not the authority.
00:24:33.640 Where a guy like Andrew Huberman and Jordan Peterson,
00:24:36.440 might operate as if,
00:24:39.260 and I'm not sure whether these guys believe in God or not.
00:24:41.480 They don't really talk about that.
00:24:43.260 Jordan talks about God and spirituality,
00:24:45.820 but we don't know if he's actually a believer,
00:24:48.720 as far as I understand.
00:24:51.240 They're not appealing to a higher authority.
00:24:53.820 They're appealing to scholarly, accurate data and information.
00:24:59.100 That is their appeal.
00:25:00.800 It's scientific.
00:25:02.160 It's measurable.
00:25:03.920 It's factual.
00:25:04.940 We can, it's tangible.
00:25:06.600 We can see it.
00:25:07.600 But a spiritual archetype doesn't rely so much on the data and the facts,
00:25:11.920 but he's going to be more in tune with how he feels.
00:25:16.260 And this is going to be an appeal to somebody other than himself.
00:25:19.940 This is typically,
00:25:20.660 it always is a higher power,
00:25:23.560 whether it's God or Allah or any number of gods that people worship.
00:25:28.360 So a couple of people that come to mind in this priest category,
00:25:31.420 number one is somebody like Granger Smith.
00:25:34.580 Granger's been on the podcast.
00:25:35.980 He's a good friend of mine.
00:25:37.860 In fact,
00:25:38.340 him and I talk quite regularly as I was going through my divorce and my own personal struggles in my life.
00:25:43.380 And I'll tell you,
00:25:44.420 every time I talked with Granger,
00:25:46.280 it was always an appeal to God.
00:25:49.820 Here's what God wants of you.
00:25:52.420 Here's how God is on your side.
00:25:54.520 Here's a scripture that shows how we are meant to live.
00:25:58.340 And so priests are representatives of their higher power.
00:26:03.180 And they know that they are just a mouthpiece for something bigger and greater than themselves.
00:26:08.600 And we need that.
00:26:10.160 Whether you're spiritual or religious or none of that,
00:26:14.580 we all have to have something that we believe is bigger than ourselves.
00:26:18.900 What a miserable,
00:26:19.960 miserable existence if we operated as if we were the supreme authority of our own lives.
00:26:26.200 And you're not.
00:26:27.300 Now we have sovereignty.
00:26:28.880 And as a Christian,
00:26:29.840 I believe that God has given us that gift of sovereignty and agency,
00:26:33.760 but ultimately I am answerable to God.
00:26:37.920 And the priest understands that.
00:26:40.060 He recognized that.
00:26:41.340 And he appeals to the spiritual side,
00:26:43.800 which is more feelings-based than it is intellectual or factual-based.
00:26:49.060 Another person that comes to mind who's also been a podcast guest is Mark Driscoll.
00:26:53.740 Now Mark is a very polarizing figure.
00:26:56.220 And again,
00:26:56.680 we can debate the merits of who these individuals are and what they believe,
00:27:00.240 but there's no denying that this is a priest archetype.
00:27:04.600 Now Mark's a little interesting because he is also a little bit in that warrior or king archetype.
00:27:12.340 You can see it.
00:27:13.600 And people will even make comments about it,
00:27:15.460 that he's arrogant or he's egotistical.
00:27:18.360 Now I don't believe that's the case,
00:27:19.840 but I think what they're reading is a little bit of that king and warrior archetype
00:27:23.820 combined with the spiritual archetype.
00:27:26.080 And so it comes across as not as humble
00:27:29.160 or not as subject to the traditional view that we look at with a higher power, the priest.
00:27:37.580 We don't see that with Granger.
00:27:39.600 Now Granger will fall a little bit more,
00:27:41.860 and I don't really have a place for this,
00:27:44.100 but Granger I think falls into a category that I'm going to explain at the very end,
00:27:47.820 so I won't spoil it now.
00:27:49.300 But Granger definitely has the priest archetype,
00:27:52.020 and then he has the seventh archetype,
00:27:54.040 and I'm going to share what that is here shortly.
00:27:57.920 Please forgive me about the random coughing too.
00:28:00.420 I'm overcoming a little bit of a head cold,
00:28:02.200 so that's what I'm dealing with.
00:28:04.080 All right, so now we're on to number six.
00:28:05.800 So the sixth archetype is the statesman.
00:28:09.240 All right, the statesman is the politician.
00:28:11.540 He's smooth, he's charming, he's witty, he's clever.
00:28:18.080 Taken to the extreme, obviously politicians are among the least trusted individuals in society,
00:28:23.260 but these are the people that are advocating for a certain belief in society,
00:28:28.240 and they know in order to do that,
00:28:30.980 they're going to need to appeal in a way that is democratic.
00:28:36.480 I've got to work with these people.
00:28:38.000 I've got to work with these people.
00:28:39.020 I've got to be bipartisan.
00:28:40.260 I've got to bring people to the center.
00:28:41.620 I've got to convince these people to come over here,
00:28:44.000 and I've got to compromise in order to make this deal to do this.
00:28:47.000 Taken to the extreme, and we see this all the time in American politics,
00:28:50.100 and probably international politics as well,
00:28:52.440 these are slimeballs.
00:28:53.840 They're scummy.
00:28:56.920 We don't trust them as far as we can throw them,
00:29:00.480 and that's taken to the extreme.
00:29:02.740 But we can all appreciate the statesman.
00:29:05.220 We can all appreciate somebody who's politically correct,
00:29:09.020 who has that sense of charm and appeal,
00:29:12.840 who knows how to say things in a witty and clever way
00:29:16.380 to bring people to their side or to their cause
00:29:19.160 or at least get them to think about something different.
00:29:21.640 Somebody who I think of immediately is Ronald Reagan.
00:29:26.480 Ronald Reagan was an actor, of course,
00:29:29.280 and that's going to fall into the last category I'll share here in a minute,
00:29:31.780 but he was also a statesman.
00:29:33.420 If you go back and see some of his most viral moments,
00:29:37.500 and I don't think going viral was a thing when he was the president,
00:29:41.920 but if you go back to some of his most viral moments now,
00:29:44.640 it's his charm and his wit in dealing with and confronting polarizing subjects
00:29:51.620 that made him really popular.
00:29:54.140 You know, we all know Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall.
00:29:57.960 We've all seen the video where a balloon pops at a rally after he had been shot,
00:30:02.380 and he said, missed me.
00:30:04.120 We've all seen the video where he was debating with his opponent,
00:30:07.900 and I can't remember exactly who it is.
00:30:09.600 They were bringing up Ronald Reagan's age,
00:30:11.520 and he said,
00:30:11.900 I promise I will not use your age, your inexperience, and youth as a weapon against you.
00:30:17.500 He's very charming, and you can't help but like the person.
00:30:21.620 You may not agree with the politics, but he's a very likable person,
00:30:25.260 and it's hard not to want to listen.
00:30:27.860 Those are people who feel like they can make a difference.
00:30:30.320 They feel like they can change the world.
00:30:32.380 We're not debating the political positions right now.
00:30:35.360 We're just talking about the characteristics.
00:30:37.160 So a couple of people that come to mind,
00:30:38.760 and I'm going to give you one from both sides of the aisle.
00:30:41.140 Number one, Ron DeSantis.
00:30:43.440 Ron DeSantis is a statesman.
00:30:44.940 Now, interestingly enough, he was in the war and the Navy,
00:30:48.100 so he's also a warrior archetype,
00:30:50.140 which I think helps him be a better statesman,
00:30:52.120 but he's polished.
00:30:53.480 He's smooth.
00:30:55.340 Early in the presidential election for this year,
00:31:00.060 I would have put my money on DeSantis.
00:31:02.700 I think that he has all of the Trumpian type fighting capabilities
00:31:06.840 with that warrior mentality,
00:31:08.240 but I think he's polished like a statesman.
00:31:10.980 He understands that he has to win both sides of the equation.
00:31:15.880 He's willing to navigate those murky waters
00:31:18.340 and to try to find the best way
00:31:21.060 to navigate difficult and polarizing subjects,
00:31:23.620 and he does it in a really classy way, frankly.
00:31:27.000 And you can argue about the politics,
00:31:29.900 but he is a statesman.
00:31:31.380 Another one, on the opposite side of the aisle,
00:31:33.320 and just because you all know I'm conservative,
00:31:34.820 a lot of you guys are not going to like this,
00:31:36.400 but this is the reality.
00:31:37.240 Somebody like Barack Obama, he is a statesman.
00:31:40.840 Again, we don't have to agree with politics,
00:31:42.760 but he's charming.
00:31:44.720 He has the capacity to bring people together.
00:31:48.720 He can speak well.
00:31:49.880 He can present well.
00:31:51.200 He shares topics in a way that make you consider
00:31:53.800 and think about it differently
00:31:55.020 than maybe you did in the past.
00:31:56.740 He has a way with words.
00:31:58.620 He can be witty at times,
00:31:59.920 and he looks the part of a statesman.
00:32:02.380 He looks presidential.
00:32:04.860 So again, you can debate the politics,
00:32:06.380 and that's why I wanted to give you an example
00:32:07.760 from both sides of the aisle,
00:32:09.020 but the reality is DeSantis, Barack Obama,
00:32:11.580 and Ronald Reagan are all quintessential
00:32:14.280 statesman archetypes.
00:32:16.840 All right, guys.
00:32:19.740 Excuse me again.
00:32:21.420 The last one, the last archetype is the romantic.
00:32:25.520 Is the romantic.
00:32:27.380 Ronald Reagan was a bit of a romantic.
00:32:29.980 I mean, as an actor,
00:32:32.860 there's obviously a bit of a romanticism in that,
00:32:35.440 and I'm going to explain some more characteristics there,
00:32:37.980 but the romantic is not somebody
00:32:40.460 who just is the lover boy.
00:32:42.440 That's not what I'm saying.
00:32:43.820 The romantic is somebody who can turn on the charm.
00:32:46.940 Somebody who is almost magnetic.
00:32:51.420 Like, you can't help but like the person.
00:32:53.540 They're very charming.
00:32:55.500 They're enjoyable to listen to.
00:32:57.460 You find yourself wanting to spend time with them.
00:33:02.400 Generally, they're idealistic.
00:33:04.260 They're not always so practical,
00:33:05.820 but they're very idealistic.
00:33:07.520 A lot of these people fall into the category of arts.
00:33:10.280 So you might have, for example,
00:33:11.700 an actor or a musician or a painter,
00:33:15.800 somebody in the arts.
00:33:17.380 And that's why I'm trying to give you
00:33:18.380 a broad representation of what it means to be a man.
00:33:20.700 But the romantic is definitely an archetype,
00:33:22.840 and it's definitely somebody we're all familiar with.
00:33:26.000 So who are a couple of examples of the romantic?
00:33:29.040 One of these people have been on the podcast,
00:33:30.980 one has not.
00:33:31.520 But the first one that comes to mind
00:33:32.820 is somebody like Matthew McConaughey.
00:33:35.500 Matthew McConaughey is a very likable, charming person.
00:33:39.420 There's no doubt about it.
00:33:41.200 He can turn on the charm.
00:33:42.820 He's got a good smile.
00:33:44.980 He plays to the crowd.
00:33:47.760 He's got ideals and vision.
00:33:49.700 He's a little bit kind of out there,
00:33:51.340 a little woo-woo, if you will.
00:33:52.960 But he's very charming and very magnetic.
00:33:56.000 He's definitely not a warrior.
00:33:57.300 We know that, right?
00:33:58.200 Just by looking at him,
00:33:59.400 by the way he acts and his demeanor.
00:34:01.800 And that's not a knock.
00:34:02.720 That's just not his archetype.
00:34:04.800 He's not a king.
00:34:06.300 He can be a little jesterish, right?
00:34:08.340 He's got some comedic timing.
00:34:10.480 He knows how to make people smile and laugh.
00:34:12.520 So he's got a little bit of that,
00:34:13.580 but he is definitely a romantic.
00:34:15.460 And the other one that comes to mind
00:34:16.900 is somebody like Ryan Gosling.
00:34:19.820 Obviously, we've got another actor,
00:34:21.220 a romantic,
00:34:22.900 somebody who can turn on the charm,
00:34:24.720 somebody who can lay it on thick.
00:34:25.900 And I'm not just talking about romantic charm.
00:34:28.260 Even guys can't help,
00:34:29.400 but like the guy to some degree, right?
00:34:31.180 Either you want to be like him,
00:34:34.060 excuse me,
00:34:35.800 or the ladies want to be with him.
00:34:38.660 Very charming.
00:34:40.700 Just somebody who would be enjoyable to be around.
00:34:44.020 Another person that comes to mind
00:34:45.300 that may not fit into the same type of category,
00:34:47.220 but is definitely a romantic
00:34:48.240 is somebody like The Rock.
00:34:50.980 He is in the romantic archetype, right?
00:34:55.460 He's, again, charming.
00:34:57.360 He can flash that million dollar smile
00:34:59.340 or probably billion dollar smile at this point.
00:35:01.660 You can't help but like the guy.
00:35:03.620 He doesn't really get into politics.
00:35:05.580 He's not pitting people against each other.
00:35:07.780 He's got big ideals.
00:35:08.980 He's got big dreams.
00:35:10.060 He's willing to do interesting things.
00:35:11.640 He's a bit of an entertainer.
00:35:13.220 So he can be a little loose with that at times
00:35:15.380 and really lay it on thick.
00:35:16.980 This is a romantic.
00:35:18.720 And those are the seven archetypes.
00:35:22.140 None of those are wrong.
00:35:23.700 None of those are bad.
00:35:25.760 They're neither good nor bad.
00:35:27.300 They just are.
00:35:29.060 And really what it comes down to
00:35:30.380 is how you're going to embrace
00:35:32.160 each of these archetypes in yourself
00:35:34.620 in order to produce favorable results for you
00:35:38.300 and the people that you have a responsibility for.
00:35:40.400 How are you gonna use your archetype
00:35:42.320 to protect, provide, and preside for other people?
00:35:45.180 Let's just do a quick recap
00:35:46.200 and then we'll call it a day.
00:35:47.660 Number one, you have the king.
00:35:49.360 I said Elon Musk and Trump.
00:35:51.120 A warrior.
00:35:51.920 Jock Willink.
00:35:52.620 Cam Haynes.
00:35:53.360 A jester.
00:35:54.100 Theo Vaughn.
00:35:54.800 Ryan Reynolds.
00:35:55.340 Dave Chappelle.
00:35:56.500 A scholar.
00:35:57.180 Jordan Peterson.
00:35:57.960 Andrew Huberman.
00:35:58.980 A priest.
00:35:59.640 Granger Smith.
00:36:00.500 Mark Driscoll.
00:36:01.540 A statesman.
00:36:02.280 Ron DeSantis.
00:36:03.060 Barack Obama.
00:36:03.900 And then the romantic.
00:36:04.800 Matthew McConaughey.
00:36:05.960 Ryan Gosling.
00:36:07.680 My intention today, guys,
00:36:09.500 was to give you these archetypes,
00:36:11.200 not to pigeonhole you into being one or the other
00:36:13.700 or all this or all that or a combination of.
00:36:16.360 It's just so you can start seeing
00:36:18.360 how you view yourself
00:36:20.180 and how other people view you.
00:36:23.460 Now, if I can, I'll tell you,
00:36:24.940 my archetypes are going to be more
00:36:27.060 in the king and warrior category.
00:36:29.020 I'm definitely not a jester.
00:36:30.940 I take life very seriously.
00:36:32.860 I'm certainly not a scholar.
00:36:34.840 I can be fairly well-versed
00:36:36.760 and can communicate well,
00:36:38.020 but I'm not real well-researched.
00:36:40.700 Priest, not me.
00:36:42.840 Statesman, again, not me.
00:36:44.320 Romantic, not me.
00:36:45.400 So I fall into the king
00:36:47.740 and the warrior archetypes,
00:36:49.720 if you're wondering and you're curious.
00:36:51.500 Now, I would challenge you to ask yourself,
00:36:53.800 where do you fall?
00:36:55.000 And where do you want to fall?
00:36:57.300 By the way, guys,
00:36:58.180 and we have some crossover.
00:36:59.660 We have the jester Ryan Reynolds here,
00:37:01.360 but Ryan Reynolds can also be a romantic.
00:37:04.980 Trump, as the king, can also be a jester.
00:37:08.940 Andrew Huberman, as the intellect,
00:37:10.840 can also be a warrior.
00:37:12.880 So again, we're not pigeonholing ourselves.
00:37:15.000 We're just looking at what our strengths
00:37:16.280 and weaknesses are,
00:37:17.560 what categories we fall into,
00:37:18.980 how we can improve in one area
00:37:21.160 and how we can shore up the areas
00:37:22.640 we're not so great at
00:37:23.620 so that we can be the well-rounded men
00:37:25.360 that people need us to be.
00:37:27.420 I hope that helps.
00:37:28.440 And I'm sure that I missed some archetypes
00:37:30.240 and I'm sure you guys have some additional ideas.
00:37:32.760 A lot of this you might agree with.
00:37:34.100 And there might be people
00:37:35.320 that you disagree with on this list.
00:37:36.980 We're not debating politics or any of that.
00:37:39.060 We're debating the virtues
00:37:40.100 and characteristics of these individuals.
00:37:42.140 And do they fall into these categories?
00:37:44.220 I hope that helps, guys.
00:37:45.660 We'll be back next week.
00:37:46.860 Until then, go out there, take action,
00:37:48.840 and become the man you are meant to be.
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