Order of Man - The 'Yes' Mentality, Becoming a Man of Honor, and When to Start a Business ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

00:00:00.000 You get to be a man that honors his word and his commitment to yourself.

00:00:04.800 How about we don't do things or we don't say we're going to do things unless we're going

00:00:10.020 to do them and we become a man of integrity and we honor our commitments.

00:00:16.560 There's more value in what we're saying, simplifying it and you being a man of integrity

00:00:21.960 than you shooting for the sky and just dropping the ball.

00:00:25.080 Not only is it not efficient, but what are you doing with your internal psyche and internal

00:00:30.100 dialogue when we're out of integrity that I constantly see I'm going to do something

00:00:33.940 and I don't do it.

00:00:36.260 You're a man of action.

00:00:37.940 You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears and boldly charge your own path.

00:00:42.320 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:46.780 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.

00:00:51.820 This is your life.

00:00:52.900 This is who you are.

00:00:54.020 This is who you will become at the end of the day.

00:00:57.040 And after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:02.000 All right, Kip, what's up, man?

00:01:03.460 It's good to see you on what day is it today?

00:01:06.000 Wednesday.

00:01:07.600 I was going to say Thursday.

00:01:09.740 I almost said Thursday.

00:01:11.460 All the days are blending together.

00:01:13.160 You and I are doing this a little off schedule today because we're going to be hunting in Hawaii

00:01:18.240 next week.

00:01:19.020 So we had to record a little bit early.

00:01:20.800 And I'll tell you what, man, I don't know how you feel, but I'm taking my oldest son,

00:01:25.100 who you know very well.

00:01:26.380 Yep.

00:01:26.720 And both him and I, we need this.

00:01:29.280 It's time.

00:01:30.740 So I'm ready to get out of town for a week, out of state, fly across the Pacific and spend

00:01:37.080 some time on a remote island with some good friends, hunting animals.

00:01:40.920 It should be good.

00:01:41.460 Yeah, totally agree.

00:01:43.180 I'm reaching a limit where I know it's good for my health, right, for us to do this and

00:01:49.160 for me to get disconnected and just, you know, be present in the mountains, you know?

00:01:53.820 So it's, yeah, dude, I'm excited.

00:01:56.260 Not just the mountains, a volcano, an ancient volcano in the middle of the Pacific.

00:02:01.760 That looks like you're in Africa.

00:02:03.600 Yeah.

00:02:03.880 And it looks like you're in Africa.

00:02:05.340 It's wild.

00:02:06.040 That's true.

00:02:06.760 Hey, let me ask you a question about that because I know there's a lot of men who probably

00:02:10.940 resonate with what we're saying right now.

00:02:12.800 I need an escape.

00:02:13.560 I need to get away.

00:02:14.540 I need a vacation or a trip.

00:02:16.400 And not all of us are in the position that we are where we have the opportunity and we

00:02:22.320 have the means to be able to do that.

00:02:23.900 What would you say to a man who is feeling very much the same way you and I have talked,

00:02:29.280 but maybe doesn't have the time, capacity, space, financial resources, opportunities, et cetera,

00:02:35.760 that maybe we do.

00:02:36.760 Yeah.

00:02:37.180 I mean, for me, there's always something we can do.

00:02:41.400 Now, where I personally, I get sideways on this all the time, right?

00:02:44.560 We talked about this earlier this week is I'm in that mode right now.

00:02:48.040 I shouldn't be going, right?

00:02:49.600 On paper, I shouldn't go.

00:02:51.280 I have too much to do.

00:02:53.000 Things are too busy.

00:02:54.440 It's almost in this space of I'm neglecting my responsibilities if I go.

00:02:59.500 Like, that's how it feels for me.

00:03:01.500 Yeah.

00:03:01.920 And I had this conversation with someone earlier today about this.

00:03:04.840 It's never going away.

00:03:07.020 The busy schedule isn't going away.

00:03:09.360 The work isn't going away.

00:03:11.460 And me personally, my default is I operate in this space that like, I think today's like

00:03:16.720 effing unique.

00:03:17.820 Like, this is a unique week.

00:03:19.700 It's this week, Ryan.

00:03:20.860 And once I get past this stuff this week, then I'll have time, right?

00:03:25.220 Then someday, the eighth day of the week, someday.

00:03:28.460 Well, the reality of it is you have no someday.

00:03:30.740 There is no someday.

00:03:32.060 And, you know, there's not even tomorrow.

00:03:34.660 It's a word that represents something that doesn't exist.

00:03:37.120 And so if not today, then when?

00:03:39.140 You know, and there's enough evidence, we know this, that if you don't, guess what?

00:03:44.020 Your performance is going to go down.

00:03:45.640 How you show up at home is going to go down.

00:03:47.940 Your quality of work is going to go down if you don't make the margins.

00:03:51.780 You know, and so specifically to your question, could I grab a backpack, throw a sleeping bag

00:03:57.620 in it and walk up into some mountains tonight and be somewhat isolated within a couple miles

00:04:05.060 or a couple hours of hiking and driving?

00:04:07.420 Yeah, totally good.

00:04:08.540 And that might be the exact thing that I needed to isolate and just kind of get away and rest.

00:04:13.760 That book we're reading this month in the Iron Council, you know, he said something that I was

00:04:19.740 listening to yesterday.

00:04:20.620 He said, you know, he's making a reference to God around, you know, and Christ, you know,

00:04:28.000 creating the world and resting on the seventh day.

00:04:30.500 He's like, he could have made it in a day, but he intentionally didn't.

00:04:33.020 And he intentionally rested, right?

00:04:34.540 And maybe that's the model that we need to be following, that there's value in that.

00:04:39.280 There's modeling that we should be looking at, that we need that rest part.

00:04:43.520 If God did, what makes us any different, right?

00:04:46.080 And so that really resonated with me when I heard that yesterday.

00:04:49.920 It's like, yeah, you know what?

00:04:50.840 I need to prioritize that rest.

00:04:52.800 Well, the other thing that I was thinking as you were talking about taking a sleeping bag

00:04:56.700 and going up in the mountains, you could even do that with your kids.

00:04:59.260 Yeah.

00:04:59.480 Because sometimes I get that you might feel guilty or selfish if you go out and do that

00:05:06.240 But you go to your own thing.

00:05:07.240 Got it.

00:05:07.940 Right.

00:05:08.440 Because we have a wife, we have kids, we have responsibilities, we have duties, we have

00:05:13.600 obligations.

00:05:14.420 So actually, not only would it be good for you, but it might actually be good for your

00:05:19.260 kids and your wife.

00:05:20.720 If you said, hey, kids, pack up this weekend, it's you and me for 48 hours.

00:05:25.540 And you go up into the mountains and you do a, there's a hike up here.

00:05:29.100 It's called Molly's Nipple. 0.98

00:05:30.480 I don't know who Molly is and I don't know if it actually looks like her nipples or not, 1.00

00:05:33.580 but it's called Molly's Nipple. 0.98

00:05:34.400 Dude, and Molly has, she's all over the state of Utah. 0.99

00:05:36.840 She's got like 17, yeah, she's got like 17 nipples all over the state of Utah. 1.00

00:05:41.700 Seriously. 0.98

00:05:42.180 Actually the country, I think at this point.

00:05:45.160 So whoever Molly was, she got around.

00:05:48.040 Yeah.

00:05:48.640 Well, no, I think she brought it upon herself.

00:05:50.440 But anyways, regardless, you know, there's a hike that we could go up and it would take

00:05:57.340 us, I don't know, 40 minutes to hike up with a backpack.

00:06:00.400 I've done it with three of my, two of my boys now.

00:06:02.860 And we go spend the night up there, come back down, takes 24 hours, less than probably 12

00:06:08.000 to 15 hours.

00:06:09.120 And it's a really good way for me to just escape the minutia, but also a good way for

00:06:13.500 me to connect with each one of my children.

00:06:15.520 So I think there's some opportunities there if we just are a little bit more deliberate about

00:06:18.640 it.

00:06:18.880 Yeah.

00:06:19.380 Well, and they're willing to maybe give up the pressures of the moment and realize

00:06:23.100 that they're, they're fine.

00:06:24.300 They'll be there tomorrow.

00:06:25.540 They're not going anywhere.

00:06:26.660 Yeah.

00:06:26.960 You know, and that's, I'm saying that for myself, right?

00:06:29.680 Cause that's, that's, that goes against my natural behavior.

00:06:33.340 And I can't count how many times I've been unreasonable.

00:06:36.680 Yeah.

00:06:37.200 And most cases I never regretted it.

00:06:39.760 Rarely have I ever regretted it.

00:06:41.340 I think the only caveat to that is if you've made commitments, right?

00:06:44.660 So if, if I told a client, like we're recording this on a Wednesday, if I told a client,

00:06:48.740 Hey, I'll have this to you by Friday morning, I damn well better have it to him by Friday

00:06:52.300 morning.

00:06:52.780 Yeah.

00:06:53.060 Yeah.

00:06:53.320 But outside of those prior commitments with time constraints, like it's okay to say yes.

00:06:58.380 I made a post about this in the iron council, like say yes.

00:07:00.920 You know, everybody out there is taught, everybody on a podcast is talking about learn to say no,

00:07:05.480 learn to be a little bit more discriminatory with your time schedule.

00:07:08.800 And there's value to that.

00:07:09.980 But nobody's talking about saying yes.

00:07:12.500 One of the interesting things I ran across just this past week is as you and I are prepping

00:07:16.940 for our Hawaii hunt, one of our guys who was coming out, a good friend of mine, dear friend

00:07:21.560 of mine.

00:07:22.000 Yeah.

00:07:22.620 And I know you met him last week or last year, excuse me, can't make it for some personal

00:07:26.960 reasons.

00:07:27.920 And he, he bowed out within a week's notice and I called my friend up or actually he called

00:07:33.820 me and said, Hey, we've got one guy backing out.

00:07:36.100 If we can find a replacement, it'd be cool.

00:07:37.440 I made two phone calls and one, one of those men couldn't make it because he had some,

00:07:43.040 um, financial constraints based on some property he was buying.

00:07:47.160 Totally legitimate, legitimate, no issue.

00:07:49.160 The other one was like, Hey, let me talk to my wife. 1.00

00:07:51.020 He talked with his wife three hours later.

00:07:52.860 Yep.

00:07:53.160 I'm in.

00:07:53.580 And I couldn't help but think it's guys like that who say, yep, I'm in.

00:07:56.580 Who are the ones who are going to rule the world because they say yes to the opportunities

00:08:00.180 that most men overlook and then have the audacity looking back six months, eight months, 12

00:08:06.420 months back.

00:08:07.160 And they're like, why do you, why does nothing good ever happen to me?

00:08:10.580 Why do I not get opportunities?

00:08:12.240 It's because that guy said yes.

00:08:13.960 And you were too busy creating excuses why you couldn't.

00:08:17.020 Yeah.

00:08:17.260 Yeah, totally.

00:08:18.260 Well, and maybe even a good exercise is like how many of the decisions you are making day

00:08:23.960 after day aren't even decisions that you're choosing.

00:08:27.760 You're doing them.

00:08:28.440 Why?

00:08:28.740 Because you're trying to keep the peace.

00:08:30.200 You don't want to rock the boat.

00:08:31.360 Like who's in control in those circumstances?

00:08:33.660 Everybody, but you.

00:08:34.660 Somebody else.

00:08:35.460 Yeah.

00:08:35.660 Yeah.

00:08:35.900 It's like no wonder why we lack some fulfillment, meaning, and purpose in our lives.

00:08:40.700 We're not running them.

00:08:41.600 We're doing it.

00:08:42.640 We're making decisions to go along to keep things at peace and just go along with what

00:08:49.060 everyone else wants, right?

00:08:50.360 Which is fine as long as you're willing to acknowledge it.

00:08:53.000 And that's the key differentiator.

00:08:54.660 Everybody else relies on everyone else.

00:08:56.780 And then, as I said earlier, they have the audacity to say, why doesn't my ship come in?

00:09:01.600 It did come in.

00:09:02.860 You just didn't get on the boat.

00:09:03.900 That's on you, not on the opportunity.

00:09:06.160 All right, man.

00:09:06.680 Well, let's get to some questions today.

00:09:08.740 Yeah, absolutely.

00:09:09.760 So we're going to field questions from the IC, and we'll talk about this a little bit.

00:09:13.180 I'm sure it will come up.

00:09:14.300 We're going to be opening up for enrollment for a Q3 cohort.

00:09:18.460 So to learn more, orderofman.com slash ironcouncil.

00:09:23.240 Stephen Drew, I'm feeling stuck in a rut.

00:09:27.080 How can I get my fire restarted for what I want out of life and the iron council?

00:09:33.140 Ruts are interesting.

00:09:34.560 And I'm going to think of the literal definition of the word rut.

00:09:38.520 But, you know, Kip, you and I grew up in small towns in southern Utah.

00:09:42.300 And I'm sure after winter, we drove up the mountain or up the canyon.

00:09:46.660 And it was a little muddy, a little soggy.

00:09:49.340 And you drove up there anyways, and you plowed your own road.

00:09:52.600 And then what ends up happening in muddy weather is you just dig through it.

00:09:55.540 You just chew through it.

00:09:56.680 And then as the dirt dries, it creates ruts.

00:10:00.320 And it's almost like tracks at Disneyland or Magic Mountain.

00:10:05.380 You know, you can just put your wheels in the ruts, and it will almost steer the vehicle for you.

00:10:11.280 Am I right?

00:10:11.820 Yeah.

00:10:12.240 Yeah, totally. 0.99

00:10:13.440 And then if you're the guy that comes up midsummer, and you're like, what moron was driving up here when it's muddy, destroying the road. 1.00

00:10:21.300 And you don't even acknowledge that it was you six months earlier, that you actually are the freaking idiot who did it to yourself. 1.00

00:10:30.120 But that's what a rut is, you know. 1.00

00:10:32.140 And whether it's soggy and muddy or hardened and clayed over because of the dryness, that's what a rut is.

00:10:37.360 And the rut will steer your truck. 0.74

00:10:39.260 It literally will.

00:10:40.060 You can put your wheels in the rut and hit the gas, and about 90% of the effort is done by the rut itself, not by you steering the wheel.

00:10:51.660 Yeah.

00:10:51.900 And sometimes, in order to avoid a rut, you just need to find a place to pop yourself out of it.

00:10:58.880 Jerk the wheel.

00:10:59.880 Yeah.

00:11:00.220 Jerk the wheel.

00:11:00.800 And then what you do is you put the driver's side wheels in the center, and the passenger's side wheels on the right-hand side, almost off the edge of the dirt road.

00:11:10.560 Right?

00:11:10.960 You know what I'm talking about.

00:11:12.100 Yeah, totally.

00:11:12.820 And you just straddle that right-hand rut.

00:11:14.980 That's what you do.

00:11:15.800 Yeah.

00:11:16.260 And that's what you need to do in life.

00:11:17.820 When there's a rut in your life, and you feel like everything is steering you and controlling you and dictating how you spend your life, and you're on autopilot, and you feel stuck, and you can't get yourself out of that rut,

00:11:29.880 sometimes you just need to pop the wheel up, get yourself, straddle that right-hand rut, and do what you need to do and be more deliberate about where you're going.

00:11:38.540 So what does that look like in practicality?

00:11:41.540 It means mixing things up.

00:11:42.900 You know, if you're stuck at work, maybe take on a new project.

00:11:45.940 If you're struggling with your kids, have a new conversation.

00:11:49.200 If you're feeling down and downtrodden about where you are in life, pick up a new hobby.

00:11:53.780 Pick up a new activity.

00:11:54.860 Pick up a new interest.

00:11:56.220 If you and your wife are on the rocks, have a new conversation.

00:11:59.360 Do something different.

00:12:00.600 I think the problem for most of us when we feel like we're in these ruts is we just keep doing the same thing, and we expect, as the definition of insanity goes, expecting different results.

00:12:11.280 You've got to pop yourself up out of that rut by doing something different.

00:12:14.980 Ask your wife a different question. 1.00

00:12:16.780 Make love a different way.

00:12:18.220 Talk to your kids in a different manner.

00:12:20.100 Ask them different questions.

00:12:21.720 Try a new hobby.

00:12:22.640 Try a new activity.

00:12:24.040 Get up earlier.

00:12:25.280 Join a mastermind.

00:12:26.660 Read a new kind of book that you're not used to.

00:12:29.360 Talk to your boss or your clients or your coworkers about something you've never talked to them about.

00:12:34.260 Ask how you can push yourself or motivate yourself in a new way.

00:12:38.340 But at some point, you've just got to pop yourself out of that rut and do something you've never done before.

00:12:43.280 And a lot of guys are like, what does that mean?

00:12:45.280 You know damn well of what it means.

00:12:47.240 You're just afraid to do it.

00:12:49.420 Just do something different than you've ever done before.

00:12:53.120 And when you do that, I promise you, you're going to find yourself in a new set of circumstances.

00:12:58.580 Yeah.

00:12:59.140 We get narrow-focused, right?

00:13:01.520 I love the analogy, right?

00:13:02.920 I'm on the road.

00:13:04.540 I'm in the rut.

00:13:05.120 And what do I do, right?

00:13:06.360 If we use that example.

00:13:08.100 I look at the rut and I bitch about the rut the whole time. 1.00

00:13:11.100 Oh, I'm a stupid rut. 1.00

00:13:12.140 Stupid rut. 1.00

00:13:12.880 Rut. 1.00

00:13:13.220 And I'm just-

00:13:14.520 Or other people, to your point earlier.

00:13:16.700 Like, oh, I can't believe somebody did this.

00:13:18.600 And we blame it on everybody else.

00:13:19.900 And all you're focused on is the rut.

00:13:22.360 Going like, you know what?

00:13:23.880 It is what it is.

00:13:25.040 Let me pop this tire out.

00:13:26.180 Let me pivot.

00:13:27.340 But we love misery.

00:13:28.880 There's an element of misery that people love.

00:13:31.960 And actually, and I worked through this actually a few months ago.

00:13:35.600 I was thinking about what is it?

00:13:36.860 What's the payoff of being a victim of the rut, right?

00:13:40.560 To being in our misery.

00:13:42.660 What it is, is it's a lack of responsibility for the current situation.

00:13:46.600 We just get a, we take no responsibility for anything and we just get to be miserable with

00:13:52.140 it.

00:13:52.320 Versus if I choose to jerk that wheel and get out of the rut, it's now on me how this goes.

00:13:57.980 But I promise you, there's no empowerment with staying there.

00:14:02.080 There's no empowerment without choice and responsibility of the outcome of how things

00:14:08.440 are going.

00:14:08.980 But there's a payoff there.

00:14:10.660 Trust me.

00:14:11.040 And it's probably in the mindset of being a victim, allocating blame and making excuses

00:14:16.240 for what we're doing versus focusing on what is it that we are going to do and dealing

00:14:21.780 in the current state of reality.

00:14:24.040 I think you bring up a really good point.

00:14:26.420 You know, many, not many, all of us engage in vices.

00:14:30.020 We engage in self-loathing.

00:14:32.340 We engage in gluttony.

00:14:33.780 We engage in pride or, you know, all of these things.

00:14:36.760 Maybe even pornography, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, womanizing, gambling, fill in the blank

00:14:42.300 with your vice of choice.

00:14:43.860 But to your point, Kip, one thing that all of us need to understand is that we would only

00:14:48.420 engage in those behaviors if there was some sort of benefit to us.

00:14:53.020 You know, I was driving down the road with somebody this last weekend and we saw an individual

00:14:58.780 on the side of the road smoking.

00:15:00.140 That's weird to me because you don't see that a whole lot anymore.

00:15:02.700 And we both looked at each other like, was that person smoking?

00:15:07.400 That is so weird.

00:15:08.600 And I think this person was a European because we were in Zion National Park and it tends 0.96

00:15:13.360 to bring out the Europeans. 0.81

00:15:14.500 I think it's different than our culture here in America.

00:15:16.920 That's a weird thing to me.

00:15:18.700 And I'm not here to judge.

00:15:20.260 Like we all have vices, but I couldn't help but think that person gets something from

00:15:23.920 that.

00:15:24.360 They wouldn't do it if they weren't getting some benefit out of it.

00:15:27.920 So I do think it's important for us to acknowledge what are the benefits of our vices?

00:15:31.840 What is it that we're receiving from them?

00:15:34.280 Whether it's temporary gratification, a sense of belonging, a sense of potentially love and

00:15:40.760 connection through pornography.

00:15:42.300 A lot of guys deal with that.

00:15:43.580 Maybe it's an escape mechanism through alcohol and drug abuse, but we're getting something

00:15:48.560 from those behaviors.

00:15:51.000 And if we weren't, we would not be engaging in that.

00:15:53.100 So I think more than anything, the individuals who engage in sitting in the rut and complaining

00:16:00.980 is that it's not their fault.

00:16:03.440 And they get to be right probably about whatever the excuse is.

00:16:08.340 I don't know about even being right.

00:16:10.220 Yeah.

00:16:11.080 I don't know.

00:16:11.840 I'd have to think about that a little.

00:16:13.020 I don't think it's that deep.

00:16:14.160 You're a deeper thinker.

00:16:15.400 I don't think it's that deep.

00:16:16.520 I just think it's like, it's not my fault.

00:16:18.120 Yeah.

00:16:18.320 It's not even about being right or wrong.

00:16:20.400 It's like, not my fault.

00:16:21.420 There's nothing I can do about it. 0.99

00:16:22.640 That jackass came up six months earlier, dug a hole in the mud, and now here I am. 0.98

00:16:26.680 This is all I can do. 0.99

00:16:27.220 Look what I have to deal with.

00:16:28.680 Yeah.

00:16:29.040 Yeah.

00:16:29.560 So I don't think it's about being right.

00:16:31.040 I think it's about maybe at a basic level, just not being wrong.

00:16:34.380 Yeah.

00:16:34.640 Yeah.

00:16:35.000 Yeah.

00:16:35.900 All right.

00:16:36.380 Dalton Harward, what are some indicators or conditions that might lead you to advise someone

00:16:42.600 it's not the time for them to start a business?

00:16:45.560 Man, I'm having a hard time even thinking about that because I think it's always the

00:16:49.800 right time to start a business.

00:16:52.540 I personally do.

00:16:54.580 And that's not to say everybody needs to be a business owner.

00:16:56.700 I know there's a lot of people that say you need to be a business owner.

00:16:59.440 And if you're working for somebody else, you're hosing yourself over.

00:17:02.440 I don't necessarily agree with that.

00:17:04.280 But I guess the caveat is, is it something you're deeply interested in and something you're

00:17:08.580 deeply committed to?

00:17:09.620 And I think if you can answer both of those questions in the affirmative, then you should probably

00:17:13.360 start the business.

00:17:14.080 Yeah.

00:17:14.400 What do you think, what's your opinion about, is it for everybody, right?

00:17:19.340 Like I, you know, I don't know.

00:17:21.760 We hop in the socials, right?

00:17:23.480 It's like every influencer's like the answer is start your own business.

00:17:26.640 And part of me is like, no way.

00:17:29.420 Like I actually don't think everyone's cut for it.

00:17:31.740 I think it's a different flavor.

00:17:33.300 I don't think they realize the headache and the chaos of it.

00:17:36.800 So maybe get a bit clearer on the cost and the impact that it's going to make to your

00:17:40.820 life.

00:17:41.120 And if you're still excited about it, then do it maybe.

00:17:43.560 But I don't know.

00:17:44.160 What do you think?

00:17:44.620 Well, I think we should define some terms.

00:17:46.680 You know, start a business means that you are the owner of the business, either a sole

00:17:52.680 proprietorship, an LLC, maybe it's a partnership, but you're the owner in some capacity, some

00:17:57.240 percentage of it.

00:17:58.220 You own it.

00:17:59.100 Um, but I, I like the thing that we've talked about in the past, which is regardless of if

00:18:03.740 you own your own business or you work for an employer, you actually are a business owner.

00:18:10.360 Yeah.

00:18:10.920 You represent yourself.

00:18:12.540 Yeah.

00:18:13.100 Really what, what it comes down to is do you represent your employer or do you represent

00:18:18.740 your clients?

00:18:19.600 That's the only differentiator.

00:18:21.220 Yeah.

00:18:21.420 So for me, I don't represent an employer.

00:18:23.760 I represent my clients, which are people listening to this podcast, people who come to our events,

00:18:27.880 people who, uh, join the iron council and Kip in this context with order of man, you represent

00:18:33.280 me.

00:18:33.720 Yeah.

00:18:34.000 Yeah.

00:18:34.500 You don't, you don't represent my clients.

00:18:36.160 Now you might work with clients, but you still as, as a, as a paid participant of what we're

00:18:42.420 doing, you represent me and my brand, but you're still a business owner.

00:18:45.320 So you could show up powerfully like you always have, or you could show up like a sack of potatoes.

00:18:50.480 And in that case, I would, yeah, I would choose to disengage with our relationship, our professional

00:18:56.900 relationship.

00:18:57.500 And then in your full-time work, well, what, what would you say you are in your full-time

00:19:01.940 work?

00:19:02.200 Cause yours is a bit of a nuance.

00:19:03.460 What, who would you say your client is?

00:19:05.120 My client, like literally my client is the owner and the employees.

00:19:10.400 Right.

00:19:11.000 Exactly.

00:19:11.500 Every employee is my client.

00:19:12.660 Yeah.

00:19:13.260 And your job ultimately is to serve their clients.

00:19:16.320 You want their clients to be served, but that's, but I serve the client.

00:19:20.220 Down the line.

00:19:20.840 Who's serving them.

00:19:22.020 Yeah.

00:19:22.500 Yes, exactly.

00:19:23.960 So, and you've been a business owner and you've worked for people as I've been a business owner

00:19:27.700 and work for people.

00:19:28.820 So, you know, I, I think, I think if we look at it in the spirit of the question, it's always

00:19:33.460 a good time to just acknowledge that you are a business owner, whether your client is your

00:19:38.300 employer or whether your client is your client.

00:19:41.280 Yeah.

00:19:41.480 Your, your purchasers maybe is a better way to say it.

00:19:44.200 Um, but if, if you're, if you really have the desire to serve a client directly and you

00:19:50.980 have the ability to do it, then you should always do that.

00:19:53.480 Always.

00:19:54.240 Well, and what's the, what's the, what's the other option?

00:19:57.660 Kick the can down the road, not learn all the lessons that you can learn today.

00:20:00.820 If you started today, right?

00:20:02.180 Like this isn't just about like, Hey, I started a business and I have a successful business.

00:20:06.360 This is, I'm starting a business and I'm going to learn, grow, pivot, evolve, figure things

00:20:12.560 out that I didn't understand.

00:20:13.860 Right?

00:20:14.220 Like it's all of that learnings that come with that process.

00:20:18.960 You got to get the reps sooner than, than later.

00:20:22.180 Right?

00:20:22.520 So you might as well go and start figuring that out now.

00:20:25.880 It may not be easier later.

00:20:27.880 You don't know.

00:20:28.700 Yeah.

00:20:29.440 I don't know, man.

00:20:30.260 I have a really hard time with answering this question directly because, um,

00:20:34.260 the answer is yes.

00:20:35.440 It is.

00:20:36.120 It is.

00:20:36.660 I can't think of a time where if you have the desire and you have the means to be able

00:20:40.680 to do it, that you would say no to that question.

00:20:42.760 If you have a heart to do it, then just do it.

00:20:45.000 You know, there might be some caveats to that.

00:20:46.760 If it requires a ton of financial capital, I've never been involved in a business like

00:20:50.840 that personally, so I can't speak to that.

00:20:52.520 But if it requires a ton of financial capital that I don't have, then maybe what I would

00:20:56.900 try to do is dip my toe in the water by finding the lowest common denominator, uh, or

00:21:01.900 minimum viable product, Kip, as you have talked about over the past several years, so that

00:21:06.640 you can dip your toe in the water.

00:21:08.540 Um, still, you know, as an, as an older man too, you know, I'm 44.

00:21:12.400 Uh, a lot of guys who listen to this might be 22, might be half my age.

00:21:16.720 And if you're 22, you have a lot more flexibility than I do as a 44 year old man.

00:21:21.820 I've got four kids.

00:21:23.080 I've got a mortgage.

00:21:23.780 I've got other investments.

00:21:25.480 I've got men that I've made promises to.

00:21:28.140 I've got, I've got a lot going on.

00:21:30.320 And so me just throwing everything out the window and starting something new is going

00:21:35.140 to be significantly more consequential than a 22 year old who isn't married, doesn't

00:21:39.320 have kids, doesn't have any liabilities, um, could potentially live with his parents

00:21:43.440 for a couple of years if things go sideways.

00:21:45.620 Like that's a pretty damn good position to be in if you're thinking about starting something

00:21:50.220 on your own.

00:21:51.060 And that's the advantage that you have.

00:21:52.460 The advantage I have is financial capital.

00:21:54.620 The advantage a 22 year old has is no responsibility.

00:21:58.720 Pros and cons, man.

00:22:00.120 Pros and cons.

00:22:00.640 Yeah.

00:22:01.500 All right.

00:22:02.320 JJ gets go struggling with too many things in a very crazy life, having trouble sticking

00:22:09.080 to my battle plan.

00:22:10.400 My battle plan is complicated in its dynamics.

00:22:13.680 What are ways you can stick to a BP, even if you're not a hundred percent, um, and still

00:22:19.800 feel accomplished.

00:22:21.040 Uh, he has a little bit more here.

00:22:22.580 Sorry.

00:22:22.800 Or what can you allow for yourself to not complete and say you've accomplished it?

00:22:28.980 I've learned that the BP is my map to stay focused, but recently struggling with grace

00:22:33.760 or forgiveness in staying the course.

00:22:36.600 Life's road bumps keep getting bigger.

00:22:38.760 Yeah.

00:22:38.920 I would feel pretty shitty about myself too.

00:22:40.960 If I had 30,000 things to do on a daily basis, cause I can do about three.

00:22:46.360 Yeah.

00:22:46.720 So you already answered your question, man.

00:22:49.080 You said my battle plan is too complicated.

00:22:51.360 This is not complicated.

00:22:52.900 Like it's, it's just not a complicated thing.

00:22:55.140 It's, it's literally one page.

00:22:56.900 I'm for those of you who can't see this, I'm holding up the battle plan.

00:22:59.580 It's one page.

00:23:00.840 If you're making it more complicated than that, that's the problem.

00:23:04.440 And a lot of guys come into our brotherhood, the iron council, and they think I'm going

00:23:07.720 to change everything all at once immediately.

00:23:10.080 You're not, you've been doing the same things over and over again for 10, 20, 30, 40, 50

00:23:14.160 years, decades, literally.

00:23:15.780 And you think just by coming up and, uh, paying a hundred bucks and learning a system that

00:23:20.980 you're going to change things overnight.

00:23:22.080 You're not, I wish I could tell you that if I could tell you that I'd charge more than

00:23:26.020 a hundred bucks a month for sure, but that's not what it is.

00:23:29.260 We're just teaching you systems that you can implement not only right now, but for the

00:23:32.740 rest of your life.

00:23:33.520 And so what I would say to you in this case is dumb down your battle plan.

00:23:39.040 There's four key areas.

00:23:40.540 So there's calibration.

00:23:41.900 Number one, that's your mental, emotional, and spiritual health.

00:23:45.140 There's connection, which is the relationships you have with others.

00:23:48.780 There's condition.

00:23:49.580 That's your physical health.

00:23:50.740 And there's contribution, which is becoming a man of value and contributing to the people

00:23:55.320 that you love and care about.

00:23:56.240 So from a calibration perspective, I'm not saying that you need to become a celibate,

00:24:02.740 a monk for the next 40 years in order to accomplish that.

00:24:06.900 But could you read the Bible in the next 90 days?

00:24:08.760 Probably.

00:24:09.360 Could you go through one of Jordan Peterson's series on self-authoring in the next 90 days?

00:24:13.680 Yeah, you could probably do that.

00:24:14.880 Could you, could you plan for a spiritual retreat of some sort based on your personal

00:24:19.440 faith and relationship with God and, and, and have the financial means to do that in the

00:24:23.480 next 90 days?

00:24:24.220 Yeah, you could do that.

00:24:25.020 So do that. 0.56

00:24:26.060 And then the beauty of the 90 day battle planning system is that it's long enough where you can

00:24:31.280 experience results in 90 days, but it's short enough that you can pivot as your life requires.

00:24:35.800 So if I read the Bible, for example, in the next 90 days, maybe I want to read the Quran 0.98

00:24:40.780 the next 90 days, or maybe my first iteration of the battle plan is to read the Bible.

00:24:46.540 And then my second iteration of the battle plan is to start a men's group at my church

00:24:50.200 congregation.

00:24:50.720 So you just do it in order and take it in stride.

00:24:53.140 The odds are as of, again, I'm 44 years old, so I'm more than halfway through my life,

00:24:58.040 but I still have another good, hopefully good four decades of my life that I can just

00:25:02.220 spend my time focused in one of those areas in each of those quadrants for the next 90

00:25:06.560 days and then pivot from there.

00:25:07.840 So I've got four kids.

00:25:09.180 If I really decide that one of my children is struggling and I spend the night next 90

00:25:13.220 days hyper-focused on one of my kids, not at the expense of my others, but I really,

00:25:17.960 really pour in to one of my children on the 91st day, I might be able to pick one of my

00:25:23.080 other children and really pour into them.

00:25:25.400 And in a year, again, not at the expense of the others, but in a year with four children,

00:25:31.160 I've poured heavily into each one of my children for 90 days straight.

00:25:34.960 That's pretty powerful.

00:25:36.160 Or if we're talking about the contribution side of things becoming a man of value, maybe

00:25:41.040 it's me just wanting to pay down some debt and save some money and create financial prosperity.

00:25:46.740 So we're June 11th right now.

00:25:48.780 So we're halfway through the year.

00:25:50.480 Maybe for the first 90 days, I need to hammer out some debt.

00:25:53.400 Maybe I've got $10,000 in debt and I feel like I can hammer that out in the next 90

00:25:57.240 days with a bonus or some extra work or just paying it down or whatever.

00:26:02.680 And then come Q4, now it's not about hammering out debt.

00:26:06.060 I've already done it.

00:26:06.740 Now it's about saving $10,000 for the remainder of the year.

00:26:10.880 So on January 1st, I'm going to take my kids down to the beach and we're going to spend a

00:26:14.900 week with my wife and kids and we're going to have fun and enjoy ourselves.

00:26:17.780 But you have to take it in stride, not just assume that you can fix everything all at

00:26:22.240 once. And that's the biggest temptation that men have when they join the Iron Council and

00:26:26.360 pick up the battle planning system is let's fix it all at once.

00:26:29.620 Don't just fix four things, simple things right now.

00:26:33.800 And then come Q4, we'll focus on either the same if we haven't totally addressed it or

00:26:38.440 we'll pivot and address something better.

00:26:40.960 Yeah.

00:26:41.160 I heard a really good quote one day years and years ago at this point, excuse me.

00:26:45.220 And I'm paraphrasing and it said the, the, the, again, I'm paraphrasing, but it was like

00:26:50.040 the, um, the most important thing in life you can do is find bigger problems to solve.

00:26:56.280 Yeah.

00:26:56.480 It's like something like that.

00:26:57.580 Yeah.

00:26:57.900 And the problems that I'm solving right now are not getting out of debt and I'm not bashing

00:27:02.500 anybody who's in debt.

00:27:03.720 I've been there, but those aren't problems I'm trying to solve.

00:27:06.420 I've evolved past that.

00:27:07.660 So my problems now are how do I invest in my business?

00:27:10.860 How do I serve more people?

00:27:12.100 How do I create financial prosperity?

00:27:13.600 How do I create financial abundance?

00:27:15.200 How do I deploy my resources and money?

00:27:17.040 But 20 years ago, bro, I was wearing dirt tracks in my grass, in my backyard, pacing in the backyard,

00:27:23.360 wondering how I was going to make the mortgage payment.

00:27:26.140 My problems have evolved and your problems should evolve too.

00:27:29.660 Totally.

00:27:30.240 You know, it's not only is that effective and it serves men and they'll have progress this

00:27:35.640 way, but the other benefit JJ is you get to be a man that honors his word and his commitment

00:27:42.240 to yourself.

00:27:43.740 At one area of his question, he said, or what can you allow for yourself to not complete

00:27:49.880 and say you accomplished?

00:27:51.880 How about instead of thinking that way, how about we don't do things or we don't say we're

00:27:57.960 going to do things unless we're going to do them.

00:28:00.080 And we become a man of integrity and we honor our commitments.

00:28:03.920 There's more value in what we're saying, simplifying it and you being a man of integrity than you

00:28:10.500 shooting for the sky and just dropping the ball.

00:28:12.740 Not only is it not efficient, but what are you doing with your internal psyche and internal

00:28:17.620 dialogue when we're out of integrity that I constantly see I'm going to do something

00:28:21.480 and I don't do it.

00:28:22.680 You don't think that affects you as a man?

00:28:24.860 You don't think that affects our relationships with other people when we constantly don't show

00:28:29.320 up how we said we would?

00:28:31.000 Oh man, like I would even argue that that might be even more important than the results of

00:28:35.360 the battle plan itself, right?

00:28:36.660 So, you know, one of the benefits, simplify it, yes, for efficiency, but simplifying it

00:28:42.080 and honor it for your own personal benefit as a human being.

00:28:45.540 And I don't want to rat hole too much, but like realize that when we are out of integrity,

00:28:50.460 it has to be justified.

00:28:52.660 You're going against your own consciousness of what you know you should do.

00:28:56.420 And most of the justification when we're out of integrity is a result of blame towards

00:29:02.680 someone else in most cases, which is wild.

00:29:05.660 So be mindful of that.

00:29:07.140 And I would really double down on the importance of honoring your commitment to yourself.

00:29:11.120 I thought of an analogy.

00:29:12.440 I work best in analogies, Kip.

00:29:13.940 I went out to dinner with somebody this weekend and she said to me, when you go out to dinner,

00:29:18.920 do you choose the thing you always choose or do you choose something different?

00:29:21.820 And I said to her, I choose the thing that I always choose.

00:29:24.660 That's my favorite.

00:29:27.640 And she's like, why do you do that?

00:29:28.720 Like, aren't you going to miss out on opportunities?

00:29:30.180 I'm like, why would I, why would I invest in a 50% bet when I have a hundred percent bet?

00:29:35.840 Yeah.

00:29:36.220 And that's kind of, I think the point that you're making, you know, we have a lot of

00:29:39.360 choices to make on a daily basis.

00:29:40.860 And sometimes we pursue the thing that isn't 100%, you know, it seems fun.

00:29:46.260 It seems exciting.

00:29:47.380 Exciting.

00:29:47.740 Why don't you lock in the hundred percent first? 0.99

00:29:50.640 And then once you lock in the hundred percent, you know, then you can get to the ancillary

00:29:54.180 stuff.

00:29:54.860 Yeah.

00:29:55.020 And, and I think that's, that's the key.

00:29:56.900 So if I go out, for example, for sushi, I'm always going to pick the role that I know I

00:30:00.340 like, but I'm always going to pick one more that maybe I've never tried before.

00:30:03.520 But the first thing I'm going to address is the one that I know I like.

00:30:07.440 And the one that I know is a hundred percent guarantee.

00:30:10.280 And it's the same thing with the way that we spend our time.

00:30:12.720 We're out there chasing so many different things in our lives.

00:30:15.620 What if you just pursued the thing that you knew, knew would work?

00:30:19.140 And those are the four things.

00:30:20.500 Tap into a higher power, connect with the relationship that needs you the most right

00:30:23.800 now, focus your training on what specifically you're trying to accomplish and figure out

00:30:27.800 how you can become more of a man of value and pick the highest percent chance of you

00:30:32.620 succeeding.

00:30:33.680 And we'll get to the ancillary stuff.

00:30:35.320 We'll get to the fun stuff.

00:30:36.280 We'll get to the extra sushi roll.

00:30:37.800 We'll get to the dessert.

00:30:39.160 We'll get to the experiments.

00:30:40.740 But for now, lock it in, tighten that stuff up.

00:30:43.340 We'll deal with the rest later.

00:30:44.440 I love it.

00:30:44.840 Well, and Chris Davis, our next question, it's actually perfectly aligned because this is

00:30:50.440 a really great question from Chris.

00:30:53.220 I sometimes find myself setting goals and tactics for my battle plan.

00:30:57.080 Then as time goes by, I lose interest in them, like a shallow relationship with a woman or 0.73

00:31:03.320 a one-night stand.

00:31:04.740 What are strategies to keep on the beam or the straight and narrow with our goals and

00:31:09.380 battle plans?

00:31:10.100 In this case of my vision isn't exciting, or I am not investing the time into the relationship

00:31:16.580 of my objectives.

00:31:18.280 I was curious what are your thoughts on this matter.

00:31:21.040 Yeah.

00:31:21.560 Well, Chris, I would say that you're being a little flippant and you're not really, this

00:31:25.920 is going to sound harsh.

00:31:26.660 You're not really acting like a man in those moments.

00:31:29.460 And I'm not trying to be, I'm really not trying to be critical of you in that way because I've

00:31:35.660 been this way too.

00:31:36.600 But I think one of the things that makes us men is discipline.

00:31:39.880 And discipline to me means doing things you committed to doing when you don't feel like

00:31:45.560 you would do it.

00:31:46.080 And sometimes when you get into relationships, you're not going to feel like doing all the

00:31:51.600 things that you did when you first got into the relationship.

00:31:54.060 Sometimes when you're trying to build a new workout program, you feel really good about

00:31:58.600 doing it for a couple of weeks.

00:31:59.840 And then after doing it for six or eight or nine weeks, you're like, oh, this is boring.

00:32:04.180 I've been in those shoes and many more.

00:32:07.080 I saw this, I saw this question.

00:32:09.240 I pulled up a couple of things for some reference.

00:32:11.420 So in Matthew 6, 24, it says this, this is the King James version.

00:32:16.560 No man can serve two masters for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else

00:32:21.140 he will hold the one, hold to the one and despise the other.

00:32:24.700 You cannot serve God and mammon.

00:32:26.540 So then I looked at what mammon was.

00:32:28.640 It's basically worldly possessions essentially is what mammon is.

00:32:32.700 So a little bit of a different context, but if you're chasing two different things,

00:32:36.400 you're not going to catch any one of them, which brings me to the next proverb.

00:32:39.160 And it says the man who chases two rabbits catches neither.

00:32:42.820 So you might find yourself chasing a quote unquote rabbit.

00:32:46.380 And then as you're chasing that rabbit, you see another one and it's bigger and it's,

00:32:50.460 it's more beautiful and it's, it's more enticing.

00:32:54.720 And so you chase that one at the expense of losing the other, and then the other one disappears

00:32:58.320 on you.

00:32:58.900 It's just not a good way to live life.

00:33:01.420 If you're going to, if you have more energy to spend, then you're not spending enough energy

00:33:06.180 on what's in front of you.

00:33:07.220 And I think that's where we need to, I think that's the point we need to get down to.

00:33:11.820 We don't want to be, I don't think we want to be shallow across a thousand different aptitudes.

00:33:16.880 I think we want to go deep on a dozen or five or four or whatever the number is.

00:33:21.260 I'd much rather go deep with one woman, for example, or I'd much rather go deep with one 1.00

00:33:27.240 type of training schedule or much deeper on one activity and one hobby.

00:33:33.160 Because I know that if I engage fully in that woman or that workout or that hobby, I'll get 0.97

00:33:39.480 so much further than if I spread my attention and resources because they are finite across

00:33:44.500 multiple women or multiple training modalities or multiple hobbies. 0.97

00:33:49.640 Double down on the thing and know that it's not always going to be comfortable or fun, but

00:33:53.080 know that you're producing the biggest result.

00:33:54.820 Not only because of the result you will produce, but because what you will learn in the process

00:33:59.740 of maintaining focus and consistency and sacrifice and doing things when you don't always feel

00:34:07.500 like doing them.

00:34:08.220 I think those are very manly activities that we ought to embrace outside of what the results

00:34:12.400 we produce will be.

00:34:13.580 Yeah.

00:34:13.800 Yeah.

00:34:14.200 Well, and I think the way we get pressed into that is we realize like, what's, what's the

00:34:18.240 price, right?

00:34:18.940 What's the price of me chasing the next shiny object?

00:34:21.560 Well, the probable future is I'm not going to get either, right?

00:34:24.540 Or I'm going to keep never truly succeeding, right?

00:34:27.480 Because it's, it's the job.

00:34:28.860 It's the next thing.

00:34:29.640 It's this, you know, and I never have mastery or professional growth in my career, right?

00:34:34.980 Like there, you'd have to look far to realize that that the probable future of that approach

00:34:40.380 will eventually not serve you.

00:34:42.680 Well, Kip, I think one of the problems is some people will say, well, you know, I could

00:34:46.300 double down on this, but let's say it's a woman. 1.00

00:34:48.680 I could double down on this woman, but what if it goes sideways? 1.00

00:34:51.140 You know, what if she dumps me?

00:34:52.320 Then you'll learn, you'll learn and you'll know that it was possible.

00:34:55.620 Why?

00:34:55.940 Because you gave it your all and it still didn't work.

00:34:57.900 So it was solid then.

00:34:59.740 Like now, you know, but if you half-ass it, was it me?

00:35:02.800 Was it her?

00:35:03.800 This is what, I struggle with this around like counselors or anybody that suggests like

00:35:09.300 couples splitting up to save their marriage.

00:35:12.600 This is a prime example of this.

00:35:14.260 This is why I don't like it because what are you saying?

00:35:17.100 One foot in, one foot out.

00:35:19.040 Let's dabble.

00:35:20.240 The horrible principle.

00:35:21.140 The probability of success, dude, you got to be in and until you're not, but at least

00:35:26.200 be all in.

00:35:26.980 Yeah, because the outcome of not going all in is losing.

00:35:30.540 Yeah.

00:35:30.940 That's the bottom line.

00:35:32.400 Whether it's a romantic relationship or a business venture or a hobby or activity,

00:35:38.040 what we call it hedging.

00:35:39.460 I call it hedging.

00:35:40.200 Yeah.

00:35:40.460 You know, so for example, if a man is dating multiple women and many people would say date

00:35:45.380 multiple women at a time, I get the sentiment. 0.99

00:35:48.840 I understand the sentiment, but now you're dabbling with three women and what are the 0.76

00:35:52.920 odds that you land any one of them?

00:35:54.980 Slim to none.

00:35:55.620 Because the two women who you aren't totally attracted to are feeling slighted. 0.97

00:36:00.480 And the one you are totally attracted to feels like she's not enough.

00:36:04.320 Yeah.

00:36:05.080 Yeah.

00:36:05.240 So how is that good for anybody?

00:36:08.060 And it's the same thing when you pursue two different career paths.

00:36:11.520 I think one of the problems though, Kip, is a lot of guys get hung up like, well, what

00:36:15.680 if this doesn't work out?

00:36:16.900 What if I go all in on this woman? 0.99

00:36:18.560 Or what if I go all in on this career?

00:36:20.420 Or what if I go all in on this thing that I'm interested in and it doesn't work out?

00:36:24.540 It's fine.

00:36:25.280 It's fine.

00:36:25.880 You'll learn, you'll grow, you'll develop, and you're still alive.

00:36:29.580 So you're not dead.

00:36:32.000 Most likely it wasn't anything completely catastrophic or life-threatening or crippling to your own

00:36:37.520 well-being.

00:36:38.320 And then you'll just realize, hey, that was a learning experience.

00:36:41.200 I'm going to go on to the next business or the next woman or the next fill in the blank. 0.92

00:36:45.480 Do you think this is just fear of failure, right?

00:36:48.120 And by not going all in on the thing, Ryan, then I don't take the responsibility of failure

00:36:55.900 because, well, I was just trying it out.

00:36:59.740 Is that the payoff?

00:37:01.260 It's hard for me to say.

00:37:02.500 I mean, yes, I think that's probably it.

00:37:04.500 It's just, it's hard for me to say because I don't resonate with it.

00:37:07.160 Like I would rather, I mean, if we're thinking about it, I don't, I don't really, I can't

00:37:11.220 really think of a great analogy necessarily right now, but I'd much rather go all in.

00:37:16.080 You know, I had a friend when, when we were in college and he would go every once in a

00:37:20.420 hour, we'd go down to Vegas or Mesquite and do a little gambling.

00:37:23.680 And he'd go, he'd always laugh when people played blackjack. 1.00

00:37:26.840 He's like, oh, stupid. 1.00

00:37:27.600 That's just a waste of time. 1.00

00:37:28.540 I'm like, what do you do?

00:37:29.140 He's like, I go to play roulette.

00:37:31.240 And he put, he, he always said, I put it all on the red train.

00:37:34.860 That was his phrase.

00:37:35.800 I put it all on the red train.

00:37:37.120 So he'd go drop a lot of money on one spin, all on red and he'd lose big or win big.

00:37:42.300 And he actually did pretty well to his credit.

00:37:44.580 Yeah.

00:37:44.840 But he didn't deviate from a strategy either.

00:37:47.280 That's the problem is that most people deviate.

00:37:49.480 So he goes and rides the red train.

00:37:51.260 That's actually what he called it.

00:37:52.360 Ride the red train.

00:37:53.420 That's what he said.

00:37:54.720 So he'd go ride the red train and he would lose.

00:37:57.720 Because when he lost, he didn't say, okay, I'm going to ride the black train.

00:38:00.400 He said, nope, I'm going to go ride the red train again.

00:38:03.000 Yeah.

00:38:03.280 And he would double down and he'd win all his money plus some back.

00:38:06.580 He actually did very well.

00:38:07.920 That was a good lesson for me.

00:38:09.300 If you're pursuing a woman, pursue her. 1.00

00:38:11.460 And if it's not the one, then you'll find out in short order.

00:38:14.340 And then you can pursue somebody else.

00:38:15.680 If it's a business venture, you'll find out in short order.

00:38:18.020 And then you can pursue something else.

00:38:19.380 I'm all about riding that red train, man.

00:38:21.160 Like pick one and go.

00:38:22.320 Yeah.

00:38:22.540 This is a great principle, man.

00:38:23.920 Like I'm self-evaluating right now and thinking about this is like,

00:38:27.480 how many areas of my life presently or even in the past where I'm not fully committed

00:38:33.900 and engaged?

00:38:35.160 I'm compliant.

00:38:36.160 I'm there.

00:38:36.920 But am I giving it my all?

00:38:39.280 Am I all in really?

00:38:41.080 Or are there little shiny objects of dopamine that I, you know, chase, right?

00:38:46.120 Or I'm lazy or, you know, whatever.

00:38:48.440 And I'm not all in in some cases, right?

00:38:51.440 And, and what's the price of that, right?

00:38:53.640 The price is failure or, or, or the opportunity to learn and grow, you know, that might be

00:38:59.740 on the table for us.

00:39:01.000 I think it's transcendent to almost all things.

00:39:03.860 Well, I mean, I had an example yesterday.

00:39:05.320 I had a friend of mine call me up and he's like, Hey, I have this business opportunity

00:39:08.640 and here's what it is.

00:39:09.620 And he sent me a couple of overviews on it and it looks super boring.

00:39:12.040 It looked lame and boring to me.

00:39:14.640 And I called him up and I said, Hey, I'm not interested.

00:39:19.020 I appreciate, thank you.

00:39:20.460 I was very, I'm not interested in your, in your boring, generic, lame plan.

00:39:27.780 Um, no, it wasn't even his plan.

00:39:29.500 He was just representing somebody, a company, a startup.

00:39:32.680 And I messaged him and I was respectful and I said, Hey man, really, truly thanks for the

00:39:36.700 opportunity, but this isn't, I'm not interested.

00:39:39.500 It's, I, I have a couple of other outside investments that I'm more closely tied with

00:39:44.000 that are more intriguing and interesting to me.

00:39:46.180 So no.

00:39:46.880 And he told me about a couple of other things, but the answer was still no.

00:39:49.340 I already made the, I made the decision within three seconds, but most people will make the

00:39:54.020 decision within three seconds, but then they'll try to rationalize and justify an excuse and

00:39:58.200 be like, well, maybe what if, what if that we do it with, with relationships too.

00:40:02.900 You know, you'll go out with a woman and you're like, yeah, I'm not interested, but maybe 1.00

00:40:06.180 if this, and maybe if that, and maybe in this scenario, no, no, no, no,

00:40:09.440 no, you're not interested or alternatively, you are interested.

00:40:14.000 And so pursue it.

00:40:15.660 Maybe that's a mentality thing, but that seemed to, seems to have served me well.

00:40:19.120 Yeah.

00:40:19.860 All right.

00:40:20.280 Joe Marino, if you were able to have president Trump on the podcast, how would you frame the

00:40:26.480 interview?

00:40:27.340 What would you praise him on?

00:40:29.080 What would you challenge and debate him on?

00:40:31.880 I mean, I think if I had Trump on, I would really try as best I could. 0.94

00:40:36.080 He's a very arrogant individual, you know?

00:40:40.760 He believes, obviously we've all heard him say like, my plan is the best plan, even though

00:40:45.420 it's not always the best plan.

00:40:46.760 I'm the best negotiator, even though you're not the best negotiator.

00:40:50.480 Yeah.

00:40:50.500 But I think, I think what I would try to do is I would try to approach and I would try

00:40:56.780 to question him to ask where he's strong and where he's weak.

00:41:00.360 I think questions are the most powerful thing.

00:41:02.340 You know, everybody wants to debate and everybody has their own ideas and everybody has their

00:41:06.140 way of doing it.

00:41:06.960 And some are warranted and valid, but I think sometimes just asking powerful questions is

00:41:12.840 really, is really important.

00:41:14.280 So with Trump, I might say, hey, where do you feel like is your strongest, what is your strongest

00:41:18.500 position?

00:41:19.380 And I think you'd probably say immigration, because that clearly is his strongest position.

00:41:24.460 And then I'd say, okay, well, if that's your strongest position, what is your weakest position?

00:41:28.820 And I hope he would say tariffs. 0.84

00:41:30.300 I don't think he would, but I hope he would.

00:41:32.060 And that's a place that I would debate him on.

00:41:34.080 And look, I'm not the expert.

00:41:35.660 You know, I don't know all the details and ramifications.

00:41:38.760 I'm not privy to all the information, but I would say that's probably his weakest area.

00:41:43.320 But what I am good at doing is asking good questions.

00:41:47.160 I'm actually pretty good at that.

00:41:48.500 And I'm willing to acknowledge that I'm a great conversationalist where I can actually

00:41:52.760 ask questions that elicit honest, genuine responses.

00:41:57.020 And so I don't think I would necessarily need to debate if he's being smart about it.

00:42:01.560 He knows his tariff strategy is not necessarily working.

00:42:04.940 I would really debate on the broad application of tariffs as opposed to the very sniper-like

00:42:11.760 precision implementation of tariffs on certain countries based on our own U.S.'s self-interests.

00:42:18.140 I think those are probably the two biggest issues, tariffs and immigration, where he's the weakest

00:42:24.000 on tariffs and foreign, well, economic policy in that position.

00:42:29.020 And then national sovereignty through immigration is probably his strongest.

00:42:33.780 Yeah.

00:42:33.900 Yeah.

00:42:34.580 Yeah.

00:42:35.020 It'd be really nice if you could get, if you could expose or allow him to expose his humanity

00:42:42.960 a little bit, right?

00:42:44.020 Get past the front, you know?

00:42:45.780 And like, what are his, like, what is his top fears?

00:42:49.300 Like, what's the areas that he's concerned about in his personal life or for the country?

00:42:55.000 Well, where's his top fear of failing as a president that he's concerned about?

00:42:59.500 Yeah.

00:43:00.460 Not to expose anything, it's just, where's his, what's in that guy's head?

00:43:06.300 I mean, the problem with that at this point, I mean, yeah, well, that's the point.

00:43:10.920 Like, I agree with you.

00:43:12.560 Getting past the front, he's so political now.

00:43:15.020 And he's, and it's not just politics, he's been in the public eye for decades, probably

00:43:20.720 what, half a century at this point.

00:43:23.380 So getting him to get down to his roots about what he really believes, I actually don't know

00:43:30.060 if it's even possible.

00:43:31.320 Yeah.

00:43:31.940 Because he's intelligent enough not to go there because that's not what he's interested

00:43:36.700 in.

00:43:37.400 He's very interested in power.

00:43:38.880 He's very interested in the notoriety and accolades.

00:43:40.980 And that's not to say, I'm a fan of Trump for the most part, not exclusively, but for

00:43:45.740 the most part.

00:43:46.720 And so that's not to say that he doesn't have some good policy.

00:43:48.960 He does.

00:43:49.580 I think his foreign policy was probably better in Trump 1.0 than it is better in 2.0.

00:43:55.160 I think he has some bad advisors around him.

00:43:57.400 Kip, you and I have talked about tariffs.

00:43:59.220 I really thought when you and I started talking about tariffs that he was doing it as leverage,

00:44:03.360 but come to find out, he actually just likes tariffs.

00:44:06.700 Yeah.

00:44:07.260 Or he's just using it as like a stick.

00:44:10.980 Just to beat people with.

00:44:12.980 But the problem is, a stick is fine if you know who to beat with a stick.

00:44:16.720 Yeah.

00:44:17.080 But if I had a stick and I had 10 people in front of me and half of them were my friends 0.99

00:44:21.580 and half of them were my enemies, I don't think I would just go start beating the shit 0.98

00:44:25.060 out of people with sticks. 0.61

00:44:26.180 I think I'd try to figure out, okay, who are the five that are my friends?

00:44:30.240 And I'm going to invite them over on my side.

00:44:32.080 And then I'm going to beat everybody else with the stick.

00:44:34.240 Yeah.

00:44:34.980 And I think that's where he's lagging.

00:44:36.440 Or who else has another stick that might be a little too big for me to beat, you know?

00:44:39.600 Well, I don't think that exists.

00:44:41.980 I think we have the biggest stick.

00:44:43.080 Yeah, it's us.

00:44:43.820 Yeah, it's true.

00:44:44.760 It's us.

00:44:45.640 You know, but that's not to say there isn't a threat.

00:44:47.440 There certainly is.

00:44:48.420 You know, China, Russia, Iran, North Korea.

00:44:51.700 You know, I think those would generally be the...

00:44:53.780 Iran's probably not much of a threat.

00:44:55.320 Probably none of them are much of a threat because they're so weak economically that they

00:44:59.140 wouldn't represent a political, a real political threat if we were serious as a country

00:45:03.960 about it.

00:45:04.400 But that's not to say there isn't threats.

00:45:06.120 But yeah, I think I would invite my friends over and say, hey, here's a stick, here's

00:45:09.800 a... 0.64

00:45:09.980 And I'd give everybody else a stick and I'd say, let's go beat those two people up that 0.99

00:45:13.420 don't have sticks and we'll beat the shit out of them together. 0.98

00:45:16.700 But he's not very good at consolidating allies that way, unfortunately. 0.91

00:45:20.800 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:21.300 All right.

00:45:22.240 Last question from Bob Ross.

00:45:25.280 He says, during the Forge event, I scored well on the relationship dial.

00:45:30.800 I'm assuming this was kind of an exercise with Keith Yackey.

00:45:36.400 He says, after that session, he had a few guys come up and ask for advice.

00:45:40.960 Although I'm very proud of the solid foundation my wife and I have built over the last 20 years,

00:45:46.800 I felt hesitant to give advice to others.

00:45:49.460 First, I feel my wife and I are vastly different than most couples today.

00:45:53.680 And second, I almost felt as if I was bragging.

00:45:56.880 I made sure to preface everything I said with, this works for us because I do not feel like

00:46:02.640 I have the answers, just ideas.

00:46:05.620 I want to be more confident and help people where I can.

00:46:08.360 Any tips on how I can learn to give personal advice with some more confidence when people

00:46:13.140 ask for it?

00:46:14.240 Yeah.

00:46:14.760 Well, so I think you did it right.

00:46:16.560 You know, Bob, I think you said, and I'm actually did, I just recorded a podcast earlier

00:46:21.220 today, Kip, on imposter syndrome that's going to come out on Friday.

00:46:24.360 So in two days, make sure you listen to that podcast because I talk about imposter syndrome.

00:46:29.520 And I think that's what he's running against is that he has some good ideas and people clearly

00:46:33.960 came to him for advice.

00:46:35.340 Here's the thing that we need to know that I alluded to on that Friday episode is you

00:46:39.980 don't get to determine what is valuable for other people.

00:46:42.400 I don't get to determine what's valuable to you or how you spend your time, Kip.

00:46:46.520 I might give recommendations and suggestions based on what I think is right, but ultimately

00:46:50.400 I don't make that decision for you.

00:46:51.980 Who makes the decision on what is valuable?

00:46:53.920 You do.

00:46:54.580 You're the one asking for advice.

00:46:56.260 You're the one reaching out.

00:46:57.380 You're the one trying to solicit ideas and insight.

00:47:00.180 So that's your decision to make.

00:47:02.000 So I do like the framing of, hey, I don't know if this is universally true, but this is

00:47:07.500 what works for me.

00:47:08.600 And then I think by doing that, you eliminate some of that imposter syndrome.

00:47:12.780 But also in addition to that, to have confidence, just look at your fruits.

00:47:17.860 You know, I don't know how long you've been married.

00:47:19.680 I don't know what your relationship looks like.

00:47:22.140 I think it actually isn't Matthew without me looking it up that says something to the

00:47:26.940 effect in the scriptures that by their fruits, you shall know thee.

00:47:30.040 So if you've created financial prosperity and abundance and somebody is coming to you with

00:47:34.640 less financial prosperity and abundance, you actually have something to share.

00:47:37.680 By their fruits, you shall know thee.

00:47:39.780 If you've been married for 20 years and somebody is coming to you for advice and insight, bro,

00:47:43.880 you've got 20 years under your belt.

00:47:46.260 That is not a fluke.

00:47:47.340 Two decades with one woman is effort. 0.89

00:47:50.040 It's work.

00:47:50.700 It's a challenge.

00:47:52.240 It's worth it.

00:47:53.460 I think it's meaningful and significant, but you clearly have something to share.

00:47:57.020 So I would get in the practice of two things on a daily basis.

00:48:01.400 I would get out my journal and I've got mine right here.

00:48:03.500 And every day, well, just about every day, I write in my journal and I write what I'm

00:48:09.000 grateful for.

00:48:09.840 I do three things.

00:48:10.580 I write what I'm grateful for, number one.

00:48:12.320 Number two, I write where I would like to improve for the day.

00:48:16.340 And number three, I write what am I good at?

00:48:18.840 What am I successful at?

00:48:20.160 What have I accomplished in my life?

00:48:22.060 Most people are lacking the third.

00:48:24.240 We always hear about gratitude.

00:48:25.780 We always hear about what I need to improve.

00:48:28.080 But very rarely do you hear anybody talk about what they're good at.

00:48:32.020 And the more you talk about what you're good at, the more you will acknowledge that, you

00:48:35.320 know, you actually do have some value to add.

00:48:37.640 And I think acknowledging that could be helpful.

00:48:39.740 Yeah, absolutely.

00:48:41.100 You know, this is a really fun question by him.

00:48:46.500 And it's really interesting because I think part of this is confidence, which is, don't

00:48:52.320 get me wrong, not beating you up, but like, it's about who?

00:48:55.580 You, right?

00:48:56.380 And then when we look on the flip side of, well, how do I best impact people?

00:49:01.800 It is always in the space of creating possibility and ideas for others to accept for themselves.

00:49:08.580 There's power in that, right?

00:49:09.920 And you know this, right?

00:49:10.880 Like in the church that I was raised in, that I think you were raised in as well, is

00:49:17.340 like we have a concept of fast and testimony meeting, first Sunday of each month.

00:49:23.060 The power of that is no one's preaching at you.

00:49:26.900 What happens if I preach at Ryan right now and I go, oh, you know, Ryan, this is what

00:49:32.080 you need to do.

00:49:32.720 And I start preaching at you.

00:49:34.200 Human behavior is you'll start evaluating what I'm saying.

00:49:37.920 Do I disagree?

00:49:39.060 Do I disagree?

00:49:39.780 You know, I don't know if I agree with that.

00:49:41.420 And I would, you know, is he right?

00:49:42.880 Is he wrong?

00:49:43.900 That's what humans do.

00:49:45.040 But if I share with you with excitement and passion and inspiration around like what's

00:49:49.760 worked for me and what's, and I'm so excited because I'd done this with my wife and this

00:49:53.980 worked for our relationship and I just share, no one's listening to disagree with you.

00:49:59.020 Everyone's just listening to consider.

00:50:01.020 And so the impact of the share is always higher if it's not in the space of preaching, but

00:50:06.980 always in the space of just creating possibility for others to consider for themselves.

00:50:11.080 So just be excited about what you and your wife has done.

00:50:16.180 Like you said, Ryan, it's not up to you to convince anybody of anything.

00:50:19.700 You're just sharing.

00:50:20.740 You're letting your light shine since you're throwing all the biblical references out today,

00:50:24.760 by the way.

00:50:25.480 So you're just shining your light and people see it.

00:50:28.580 And when they're ready and if it works for them, they'll be drawn to it.

00:50:31.780 And if they're not, they won't be.

00:50:33.520 And that's just how that works.

00:50:34.820 Well, there's a great book that I recently read called Let Them by Mel Robbins.

00:50:38.560 And I don't normally and typically resonate with her messaging and the way she delivers

00:50:42.700 it.

00:50:43.040 But that book was really powerful because you can, it allows you to acknowledge that you

00:50:47.460 can share what's on your mind, what works for you, what you think is good, what you

00:50:52.080 think is valuable, your principles of living, and then just letting other people make their

00:50:56.060 decisions.

00:50:56.720 Kip, you're a grown man.

00:50:58.040 If you came to me and said, hey, Ryan, I need some advice on X, Y, and Z.

00:51:01.500 I would give you my advice with the, with the idea that as, as a grown man, you can make

00:51:09.980 your own decisions.

00:51:11.080 I'm not going to, I'm just not going to just go do it.

00:51:13.780 Yeah.

00:51:14.460 Right.

00:51:14.940 And if you do, that's on you.

00:51:16.480 That's not on me.

00:51:17.320 Like you need to filter that through because you're a grown man.

00:51:19.960 You need to filter that through your life.

00:51:21.940 And if I share something with you after you've asked me and you don't appreciate it or don't

00:51:26.360 like it, well, too bad.

00:51:28.140 I think the only caveat to that is being cautious of offering unsolicited advice.

00:51:33.840 But if somebody is coming to you and saying, hey, what about this?

00:51:36.520 They obviously value your opinion.

00:51:39.100 So give them your opinion.

00:51:41.160 That's one of the things I see a lot of guys do personally, professionally, romantically.

00:51:46.500 You know, somebody will ask, like a woman will ask their opinion. 0.99

00:51:48.900 Like, I don't know.

00:51:49.520 What do you think?

00:51:50.320 Bro, she just asked your opinion.

00:51:51.660 Like, give her your opinion.

00:51:53.200 If she comes out and she's wearing a dress or wearing a couple different dresses and you're

00:51:57.100 trying to figure out which one you like more.

00:51:58.480 And she says, which one do you like?

00:51:59.760 Don't say, I don't know.

00:52:01.360 Say, I like that one.

00:52:02.860 Because clearly you have one you like.

00:52:04.300 And she asked for your opinion.

00:52:05.580 If a friend comes to you and says, hey, I'm dealing with this thing with my wife. 0.96

00:52:09.160 What do you think?

00:52:09.940 Tell him what you think.

00:52:10.840 He's asking your opinion.

00:52:11.940 He's not asking for what you think he should think.

00:52:14.500 He's asking you.

00:52:15.660 And then he, again, is a grown man who was conscious enough to ask for advice from somebody

00:52:20.840 he wanted to ask for advice from.

00:52:22.660 So give it to him.

00:52:24.060 Let me run this by you because I find this fascinating.

00:52:26.280 So I've done business consulting for, it's pretty much my entire career for the most

00:52:32.500 part.

00:52:32.820 I've, I have been a consultant and I just learned this lesson.

00:52:36.200 I didn't have this distinction for me just because I just learned what worked, what didn't

00:52:40.020 work.

00:52:40.740 And years ago, I have some junior consultants and I'm seeing what, what they're doing.

00:52:45.160 Right.

00:52:45.480 And the client's not like happy.

00:52:47.200 And I'm thinking, what is it that they're doing?

00:52:49.440 And this is what they would do.

00:52:50.880 They would, you know, let's say Ryan's a client and Ryan's like, hey, you know, I want

00:52:54.420 to implement the system, the automated business process.

00:52:56.640 And these young consultants would go, well, Mr. Bickler, there's a lot of many different

00:53:03.160 variables that you can consider.

00:53:04.560 You know, if you do this, this, this, you can have option one.

00:53:06.920 If you do this, you have option two.

00:53:08.320 And then they lay out all the options.

00:53:10.960 Right.

00:53:11.360 And, and I'm like, and the client's like, why, why am I even having this conversation

00:53:15.540 with you?

00:53:15.880 Right.

00:53:16.640 And I know, yeah, not you, someone else.

00:53:20.000 Right.

00:53:20.420 And, and that's, that's where I tell, uh, new employees or early consultants, right.

00:53:25.700 That are early in their career is the clients not necessarily coming to you to know all the

00:53:31.060 options.

00:53:31.520 The clients come to you because they don't want the burden of making the decision.

00:53:37.280 So it is your job to have a strong, confident opinion of what they should do.

00:53:43.120 It's like when we go to the, the doctor, right.

00:53:46.340 And you know what you should do, right. 0.64

00:53:47.920 You know, damn well, what you should be doing, right.

00:53:50.700 To rehab a knee or maybe like what your nutrition is. 0.91

00:53:54.240 But what do we do? 0.96

00:53:55.200 Well, I'm going to hire a nutritionist and they're going to tell me the damn same thing 0.90

00:53:58.980 that I know I should already do. 0.54

00:54:00.100 Why?

00:54:00.520 Because I want the peace of mind that it's the right decision.

00:54:03.980 And so sometimes human behavior is they're, they're outsourcing the peace of mind to you,

00:54:10.100 not all the possibilities.

00:54:12.220 Does it make sense?

00:54:13.240 It does make sense.

00:54:14.240 And as I hear you say that there's a real opportunity here again, professionally or personally, when

00:54:19.540 somebody is, and I agree with you, when somebody is outsourcing their peace of mind, that is

00:54:24.700 an opportunity for you.

00:54:25.920 Totally.

00:54:26.300 What dress should I wear?

00:54:27.400 I don't know.

00:54:28.360 Guess what your wife's asking. 0.98

00:54:29.800 Just tell me what dress you want me to wear.

00:54:31.800 Cause I can't decide.

00:54:32.820 And then you say it and you know what it does in that moment?

00:54:37.400 She's like, oh, thank you for leading me.

00:54:40.120 And then when you have a client who's like, what should I do?

00:54:42.300 A, B or C?

00:54:42.940 And you say, well, these are all good options.

00:54:44.940 If I was in your shoes, I would choose C.

00:54:46.740 And your client's like, oh, thank you for leading me.

00:54:49.840 And our motto is protect, provide, preside.

00:54:52.240 Preside is synonymous with leadership.

00:54:53.900 So when your wife says, which dress do you like?

00:54:55.620 And you're like, I don't know.

00:54:56.240 What do you feel more comfortable in?

00:54:57.760 That's not what she was asking you.

00:54:59.060 She's asking how you can look, how she can look good for you. 1.00

00:55:02.800 Answer the damn question. 0.99

00:55:04.180 And when your client says, what up? 1.00

00:55:06.180 Like they already know they're smart.

00:55:08.100 They're probably, in a lot of cases, they're probably more successful financially than even

00:55:11.660 you are.

00:55:12.320 So just answer the question because it presents opportunities that most people won't step

00:55:17.580 into.

00:55:18.060 And most people, to Bob's point, are like, I don't know.

00:55:21.540 I don't feel comfortable answering that question.

00:55:23.580 And I'm, that, Bob, that's not your voice because we know each other.

00:55:26.940 So maybe I'm not doing you justice with that, with that voice that I'm making right now.

00:55:31.260 But that is the voice.

00:55:33.420 Like, I don't know, whatever you think.

00:55:35.780 I don't know.

00:55:37.180 No, that's not what people are looking for.

00:55:38.940 They want you to say, do this, do that, do this.

00:55:40.860 I like this.

00:55:41.380 I don't like that.

00:55:42.040 I would do this if I were in your shoes.

00:55:43.440 And you just practice, as you say, get the reps.

00:55:46.920 Yeah.

00:55:47.160 I love it.

00:55:48.320 So Iron Council, it's open, actually, for enrollment.

00:55:53.060 Not, no.

00:55:54.240 As a release of this episode.

00:55:56.000 Because, yes, that's right.

00:55:57.040 We're releasing this a week in advance.

00:55:58.520 We're recording this a week in advance.

00:55:59.680 So we are open.

00:56:00.600 Yes.

00:56:01.000 So if you go to orderman.com slash Iron Council, we are officially open for duty right now.

00:56:06.400 Yeah.

00:56:07.380 Dates on preview calls.

00:56:09.340 Do you want to share those?

00:56:10.760 Yeah.

00:56:11.040 Okay.

00:56:11.220 We're going to have those in the next couple of days.

00:56:12.820 So I'll make sure I post those on the socials.

00:56:15.000 So connect with me, at Ryan Mickler, on X, Instagram, and Facebook, and we'll get those

00:56:20.080 dates to you.

00:56:20.680 Excellent.

00:56:21.120 Cool.

00:56:21.940 Kip, appreciate you, man.

00:56:23.080 Looking forward to spending some more time together next week on our hunt.

00:56:25.820 But, guys, great questions today.

00:56:28.280 Hopefully, as always, we gave you some things to consider.

00:56:30.460 And we'll be back.

00:56:31.680 Trying to think, because we're recording this in advance.

00:56:33.480 Friday.

00:56:34.160 We'll be back Friday.

00:56:35.780 Until then, go out there, guys.

00:56:36.940 Take action.

00:56:37.600 And become the man you are meant to be.

00:56:42.820 Thank you for listening to the Order of Man podcast.

00:56:45.800 If you're ready to take charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be,

00:56:49.820 we invite you to join the order at orderofman.com.

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Order of Man - June 18, 2025

The 'Yes' Mentality, Becoming a Man of Honor, and When to Start a Business ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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Order of Man - June 18, 2025

The &#x27;Yes&#x27; Mentality, Becoming a Man of Honor, and When to Start a Business ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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The 'Yes' Mentality, Becoming a Man of Honor, and When to Start a Business ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING