Order of Man - TIM TEBOW ｜ Create a Life That Counts

00:00:00.960 Gentlemen, my guest today is the one and only Tim Tebow.

00:00:04.500 Now, guys, I had the opportunity to sit down with him in New York last week, and without

00:00:08.860 a doubt, he's one of the most genuine human beings that I've ever met.

00:00:13.380 You could feel that from him, from the moment that he walked into our studio, which happened

00:00:19.300 to be in a hotel room in Manhattan.

00:00:21.560 Now, guys, I've always wondered if the men we see online are the same in person, and

00:00:25.700 I can unequivocally say yes with regards to Tebow.

00:00:29.260 Today, we talk about where Tebow's convictions come from, the powerful relationship that

00:00:34.640 he has with his father and also his coaches along the way, why his work with those who

00:00:39.860 have special needs is so crucial in the absence of manliness, the dichotomy between God's

00:00:45.760 sovereignty and our own, creating an edge in your life, stacking up the small wins, and

00:00:51.240 at the foundation of it all, how to create a life that counts.

00:00:56.440 You're a man of action.

00:00:57.360 You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart your own path.

00:01:02.140 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:01:06.540 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.

00:01:11.560 This is your life.

00:01:12.700 This is who you are.

00:01:14.120 This is who you will become.

00:01:15.820 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:21.080 Gentlemen, what is going on today?

00:01:22.560 My name is Ryan Michler.

00:01:23.780 I'm the host and the founder of the Order of Men podcast and movement.

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00:02:36.120 Guys, let me introduce you to my guest.

00:02:38.300 He's the one and only Tim Tebow.

00:02:40.740 Everybody knows who he is.

00:02:42.620 No introduction necessary.

00:02:45.280 So many of you have asked me who has been my favorite guest on the podcast.

00:02:49.100 And guys, after the conversation I had last week, I can confidently say from the moment

00:02:54.300 Tim and I shook hands that this is one of my favorite human beings on the planet.

00:02:59.680 And a definite highlight for me over the past seven years.

00:03:02.400 It seems a bit silly introducing you to who Tim Tebow is as a former NFL and MLB professional

00:03:11.140 athlete, New York Times bestselling author, of course, the author of his latest book, Mission

00:03:15.360 Possible, the founder of the Tim Tebow Foundation.

00:03:18.300 But guys, he's so much more than that.

00:03:20.340 And he has literally inspired millions of people around the world to live a more meaningful

00:03:26.180 life.

00:03:26.620 I asked him about his prospects as a professional athlete moving forward.

00:03:31.020 I'll let you listen to that part at the end of the podcast.

00:03:33.680 And let's just say for now that he has found a passion in taking his performance from the

00:03:39.620 field and translating it into serving those who need a champion to act in their stead.

00:03:45.940 Enjoy this one, guys.

00:03:48.580 Tim, man, so good to see you.

00:03:49.720 Glad you could make it here.

00:03:50.540 Yes, thank you.

00:03:51.240 I'm glad I could.

00:03:51.860 You've been here for what, a couple of days now?

00:03:53.220 No, but it's an honor to hop on here.

00:03:56.040 Thanks for what you're doing.

00:03:57.620 And thank you for encouraging so many men to be men.

00:04:01.360 Yeah.

00:04:01.720 And I'm grateful.

00:04:02.620 I don't think there's enough of that conversation that's happening here in our society here in

00:04:09.020 the U.S., but also around the world.

00:04:10.960 It's something we see in a lot of countries in the areas that we serve around the world.

00:04:14.900 And I'm grateful to be able to sit down and talk for a little bit.

00:04:18.900 Awesome.

00:04:19.020 So I know you do a lot of work with sex trafficking, and that's a big part of what your foundation

00:04:26.000 represents.

00:04:26.860 Do you think that some of what you're talking with regards to masculinity around the world

00:04:31.260 has to do with the problems that we see specifically as it relates to that?

00:04:36.820 I feel like we're talking about multiple problems.

00:04:40.580 I feel like masculinity is part of the problem of what being a man actually looks like.

00:04:48.000 And I'll give you a couple of examples.

00:04:51.020 So I don't want to start out too intense, but we just got back from Africa.

00:04:57.760 And just a few of the stories that we were with is one of the moms that brings her special

00:05:03.820 needs boy to our location, she only could get there because her husband, the man, gave her 0.89

00:05:12.380 just enough money to go poison the child. 0.72

00:05:14.940 And instead of poisoning the child, she brought the boy to us because she thought maybe they'll

00:05:20.340 help.

00:05:20.900 And of course, we're going to help.

00:05:23.260 And then the night to shines that we were at in a few of these countries, and I don't

00:05:27.660 want to be too specific on the places, but there were hundreds of moms that brought all 1.00

00:05:37.500 of their special needs boys and girls.

00:05:40.540 And in one of the locations, when I'd probably say there were about 200 and so, maybe 210,

00:05:46.480 215 moms, and what we counted, and maybe off by a few, five dads.

00:05:51.260 And honestly, my wife, who was right beside me as we're celebrating, we're cheering, and

00:06:00.040 we're crowning all of these boys and girls, my wife was weeping, not just for all the boys

00:06:06.480 and girls and all the special needs kings and queens, but because where were the dads?

00:06:11.640 And she kept bringing up to me, look at the line waiting to be celebrated, you don't see

00:06:17.140 any man.

00:06:18.080 Look, you don't see any man.

00:06:19.460 And then to take even one more step, in South Africa, we also have these, with our partners,

00:06:30.940 baby safes, so that moms, we encourage them all to keep their babies in love and to treasure

00:06:38.520 that relationship.

00:06:39.920 But unfortunately, in so many times of desperation, they throw their babies away, and every day,

00:06:45.820 just in Johannesburg alone, it's an estimated three to four babies are thrown away in the

00:06:49.920 trash, in the gutter, in the street.

00:06:52.260 And so instead of having a baby thrown away, we have baby safes with our partners that we,

00:06:59.940 instead of throwing it away, would you please put it in the safe?

00:07:02.160 And an alarm goes off, and our team goes and gets a baby and brings it to the orphanage.

00:07:06.400 And yeah, it's definitely an overwhelming process for sure.

00:07:13.480 Does a lot of that stem from, are those financial constraints, are those emotional hardships,

00:07:18.820 they don't have the maybe emotional maturity to deal with that?

00:07:21.580 Well, I don't necessarily think that as much, and we're still learning a lot of why, but in

00:07:26.940 my opinion, one of the areas that we know is that unfortunately they get pregnant and so 0.99

00:07:33.300 many of the men leave and say, we're not supporting, we're not going to help.

00:07:36.580 And to me, this is caused more than anything by men not standing up to be men.

00:07:43.280 And so they leave, and they put mom in such a desperate position, and they're in desperate

00:07:50.840 situations where they don't know what to do, they don't know how to do.

00:07:54.280 Sometimes they already have two or three kids, and how can I take care of another one?

00:07:57.460 And so a letter that we got dropped off with the baby just a couple of days ago was saying

00:08:05.260 his name, and how much she loves him, and how much she cares for him, and how she's dropping

00:08:11.160 him off because at least here that he can get three meals a day and can be taken care of.

00:08:17.660 And I mean, we're sitting there reading a letter, weeping, and it's not because she doesn't

00:08:23.380 love this boy, it's because she doesn't have support. And a big reason is because he walked

00:08:29.960 away, and he's not there. And so those are just a few of the issues that are very personal to me

00:08:36.040 that we see on a daily basis. And it's such a part of our heart to encourage men, even in hard

00:08:44.840 situations, to step up, to step up. Even sometimes we don't feel like it's your responsibility,

00:08:50.680 step up, fill the gap. Be able to be those men that, you know what, okay, it might not be exactly

00:08:57.900 your responsibility, but we're called, I believe, as men to be protectors, to be servers, to be

00:09:03.380 lovers. And love is not this, the greatest form of love, in my opinion, it's not an emotion,

00:09:08.040 it's not a feeling, it's a choice. It's a choice, and the best definition I've ever heard of that is

00:09:12.560 to choose the best interests of another person and act on their behalf. It's the agape form of love

00:09:17.100 that we learn about in the Greek. There are four types of love, with the agape being the most

00:09:20.840 admirable, and it's the form of love that God has for us. And it's what we're, I believe,

00:09:26.080 it's what we're supposed to have for humanity. And we're not, it's not this feeling that we have,

00:09:30.800 it's a choice that we make. It's a choice that God made for us to come on a rescue mission for us,

00:09:34.820 and it's a choice we're supposed to make for humanity, to choose their best interest and act

00:09:38.720 on their behalf. And that's what I believe we're supposed, all of us are supposed to do,

00:09:42.180 but especially as men, we're supposed to choose people's best interests and act on their behalf,

00:09:46.760 especially the least, the last, the lost, those that are forgotten, those that can't fight for

00:09:51.020 themselves, those around the world. And unfortunately, so many times we see in a lot of

00:09:57.020 these places, men that are leaving, men that are running, men that are saying, oh, it's not my

00:10:01.620 responsibility. It is your responsibility. It's my responsibility. It's our responsibility.

00:10:06.320 And we have to step up because you know what, if men together step up to say, you know what,

00:10:11.280 we're going to fill this gap and we're going to be men, we're going to be protectors. We're going

00:10:15.420 to be servers. We're going to be those that are going to care for the least, the last and lost.

00:10:19.160 We could make a change. That's powerful. Yeah. I mean, I have some experience to a lesser degree

00:10:24.120 than what you're talking about. My dad wasn't really around when I was younger, but the men in

00:10:28.980 my life who primarily are coaches, my football coaches in particular, those guys didn't have to

00:10:34.440 step up that way. Like they didn't have to be there. They had their own kids, they have their own

00:10:37.980 families, they have their own careers, and yet they're choosing to be there.

00:10:41.280 And then as I was coaching youth sports teams, as my kids came up through football and baseball,

00:10:47.540 it was disheartening to not be able to get even help. Like, I need an assistant coach. I need

00:10:54.460 somebody to help me. Well, I don't know anything about baseball. At this point, it doesn't matter.

00:10:57.520 What does it matter? Just come here and coach these boys. And you would see these young boys who

00:11:02.140 looked at us in a fatherly way because they didn't have it at home. It was really, really discouraging.

00:11:07.460 Yeah. And I echo that. I want to thank so many of the coaches who have been father figures to me.

00:11:16.020 But I'm also so fortunate to have just one of the best dads. Someone that has been

00:11:23.400 not just a dad, but a hero. I get to talk about these things in a large part because I got to watch

00:11:32.300 my dad do it every day. You know, I get to watch my dad love mom, love all five of us. But then

00:11:39.420 as it just as important, he, he loved people that could never love that could love him back,

00:11:46.980 but could never do anything back for him. Couldn't show that. It couldn't do anything. He's

00:11:50.480 helping people around the world that could literally never help him back. Right. You know?

00:11:56.180 Right. And, um, and so it's not just like, Oh, Hey, Timmy, you need to help people. He never even

00:12:03.400 really said that I got to watch it every day. Right. It was an example. It was an example. And I think

00:12:08.320 that one of the mistakes that so many parents make is that they think their kids aren't really

00:12:17.380 watching everything. They see it all. They do. They see the highs, they see the low, the lows,

00:12:23.000 they hear the arguments, they hear the good conversation. They know what's going on. Even

00:12:28.020 if they can't, you know, the parents don't even think, and we got to see that, but that made us

00:12:34.280 love our parents more. Yeah. You know? And because it was just such an incredible example. And still my

00:12:41.820 dad to this day is an example. My, my dad's been, um, diagnosed with Parkinson's for quite a few years

00:12:47.800 now. And, and obviously it's taken his toll, but my dad still is, is on mission is serving people.

00:12:56.440 It's loving people. And if you ask him, even in the midst of all the pain, Hey dad, how you doing?

00:13:01.100 There's only one response. I'm blessed. Really? Period. Yeah. It won't say anything else,

00:13:06.620 but that's what it is. You, you talk a lot about him and obviously you cover a lot of, of the way you

00:13:11.560 grew up in, in, in the book as well. Uh, I'm wondering if there's ever been any level of,

00:13:16.140 uh, frustration in the relationship or contention. I know sometimes that happens. Like I see it in my

00:13:21.900 own son, my oldest, who's almost 14, where you see, you know, like he'll look at me a certain way.

00:13:27.680 I'm like, Oh, he's challenging me. He's trying to find his independence. And we're so much alike

00:13:32.300 that there's a lot of, of great discussions we have, but there's a lot of this at times too,

00:13:38.240 especially as he gets older. A good question. Um, I think there were the times where, um,

00:13:45.880 I probably was like, okay, dad, I don't need you to be so close. Like, you know, so close at practice

00:13:52.700 or so close at the games. And, and then it was something that I was so convicted. I was like,

00:13:58.540 no, I want you to be because it was, I mean, a lot of my favorite memories in my life or the moments

00:14:06.720 after the games, after the practices, riding home with dad, talking about it. And then also

00:14:12.360 complaining to dad could having that, that relationship where I could say, man, if this

00:14:18.240 coach only did this or, you know, and then I, and then getting the, the, that relationship of the

00:14:23.500 advice back. And then I'll tell you one of the things I think really made our relationship very

00:14:27.100 strong was in the recruiting process in high school. And my dad would drive us all over to

00:14:32.960 schools all over the country and would be with me and never forced his opinion on me. Not one time,

00:14:40.040 even when I was asking him, tell me where to go. He would never really do it. He just, what do you

00:14:45.120 think? And guide me in that process. And I even frustrated me because I'll just tell me where I'm

00:14:50.980 supposed to go. I just want to know the answer, you know, and he, it would really kind of help me

00:14:56.140 almost think through the process, but make my own decision in that. But man, it's still driving

00:15:01.740 around the country with him looking at schools, uh, was one of the, my favorite parts of my life

00:15:07.400 with him. And that was such a special bond that we had, um, in, in growing. And so then I look back

00:15:15.440 and I'm like, why would I ever have not wanted him close? Like, you know, and now I still call him

00:15:21.880 at least a couple of times a week, just, just not just to talk, but just to get his, his advice,

00:15:29.260 because I know that he's one of the wisest people I've ever met in my life.

00:15:33.980 Yeah. That's a really powerful example. Yeah. That's really cool. Um, I'm curious about your,

00:15:40.920 uh, how you manage some of the expectations, whether it comes from your father, it sounds like

00:15:45.860 he doesn't place unnecessary expectations on you. He's always always accepted that, but I look at you

00:15:51.840 especially, you know, as I was younger, I was getting out of high school and in college,

00:15:54.720 starting in my career, I saw you come up into your football career. And I imagine there was

00:15:59.640 high levels of expectations from some and an expectation of failure from others. You know,

00:16:05.320 I saw that watching you go through that. Uh, and then even now you're in the public space,

00:16:10.000 you're very well known. How do you manage effectively the expectations positive and negative that people

00:16:16.120 have of you? Well, I try not to be defined by what the world says of me. I think it's really hard.

00:16:20.960 I think something that my dad actually helped me a lot with. I was, um, struggling a lot when I

00:16:25.860 left high school and I just was at the university of Florida, not with, with sports or school or any

00:16:31.960 of those things, but with being scrutinized on another level. Definitely. And, uh, and even though

00:16:37.460 there's a ESPN documentary of me in high school and you're more well known, but then when you get to

00:16:42.440 college, it's all these people that you don't even know and they just start bashing you and you don't

00:16:46.660 even know why. And you're kind for the first time. And I remember going to dad and saying, dad, if

00:16:51.840 like, if they just met me, right, like they would like me, they just got to know me. They would. And,

00:16:59.140 uh, I remember dad saying to me to be, to be honest, if they did, they would like you because

00:17:05.060 you're very likable, but they don't want to like you. There's some people that just don't want to

00:17:10.980 like you. And, and it was this, this really big change in my life, not actually by my actions,

00:17:18.980 but more of mentally changing kind of a framework because I'm a, I'm a people pleaser by nature.

00:17:25.320 Uh, I'm just, I want to make people laugh. I want people to like me. I want to have friends. I'm,

00:17:30.200 I'm just a people pleaser. I don't necessarily like conflict. And then I made a conscious choice

00:17:39.040 sort of in that time and around that year. And it was a process where I, I, I moved more away

00:17:46.600 from trying to be liked to trying to be respected. And I couldn't, my dad was, he was so bold growing

00:17:56.280 up at so many times. Like we would be at a, a restaurant after a church and, you know, something

00:18:02.840 and my dad would stand up and, and he would pray and I would be like, Oh gosh, he's like,

00:18:07.500 like, Oh man, he's so bold. And my dad would say loud. He was so loud. And he would be like,

00:18:13.980 and he just like, like everywhere. And my dad was so, he was so authentically, um, what he believed

00:18:22.980 and what he was passionate about. And I couldn't always understand it, but why do you have to say

00:18:27.920 it? Why do you have, you know? And, um, and it was to the extent that even a lot of his family

00:18:33.740 didn't like him, you know, and why did they think he was like preachy or better than them?

00:18:40.300 Or like, what was their interpretation? He was the first person in their family that, um,

00:18:44.200 that was really faith-based. Oh God. And, um, and, um, he, he also, um, came from, uh,

00:18:51.700 of a family that was very broken and, um, and had, um, family he didn't even know about until

00:18:59.540 later on when I got more well-known. And so he didn't know of, and so, um, he didn't grow up with

00:19:10.320 a, uh, a father figure and he was learning so much of that on the go and was an incredible dad.

00:19:17.640 Um, and, and, and then, I mean, my dad's something that had the, the, he's a, he's a pastor. And then

00:19:25.620 I went on a short-term mission trip to the Philippines and felt called to, to go be a

00:19:30.400 missionary, um, over there and brought his wife and four kids and then had me over there. I mean,

00:19:36.500 the faith to do that and to move four kids. And he's just always been so bold and courageous and

00:19:41.680 I would watch him, but it would, I couldn't necessarily always understand that until I started

00:19:47.280 to make this, this, this adjustment from this liked to being respected transition. Because then

00:19:54.320 when I stopped focusing on, I understood more of at that time of, oh my gosh, these likes,

00:20:01.420 they're not very deep. You know, we live in a society that is all about likes, those clicks,

00:20:06.880 right? And then it's, and, but it's, it's not deep. It comes and goes. And you say one thing that

00:20:13.240 someone disagrees with based on religion or politics or something else and crushed, you

00:20:18.520 know? Totally. And then, but, but this understanding of this respect of this deeper, um, grounding

00:20:26.400 of earning that from people, right? Earning respect because of your integrity, because your character,

00:20:31.920 because the way you live, it's, it's harder to earn, but it's so much deeper and it's so much

00:20:37.220 more lasting. And then it was really by watching him, but then, but then studying scripture and

00:20:42.380 then studying, um, uh, Winston Churchill some and studying some, some other kind of role models that

00:20:49.160 I had in listening and learning. And I just thought, man, like I, I don't fully get it, but I sort of want

00:20:55.660 it, you know? And I don't, you know, I don't know what it's like to try to earn that, but I want to earn

00:21:01.920 that. And I think my dad, Winston Churchill, um, a lot of faith heroes that they got criticized on

00:21:07.820 these big scales, but yet even their critics so many times were respecting them. And, and one of

00:21:15.420 my favorite quotes from Winston Churchill is in a time where most of the world didn't like him

00:21:20.980 because the allies couldn't stand him. They thought he's losing the war for us. And even his own country

00:21:26.560 didn't really like him at this time. And obviously everybody else hated him because they were on the

00:21:30.420 other side, you know? And he says, if you have enemies, good, it means you stood for something

00:21:35.140 at least once in your life. And I just couldn't understand that. How could enemies be good?

00:21:41.000 But, but then it was coming to this understanding. Well, there's going to be people that disagree.

00:21:46.380 There's going to be naysayers, but just because they disagree with a thought or a principle or a

00:21:51.500 belief doesn't mean that there can't still be common ground. They still can't be respect.

00:21:56.160 And so it was this understanding of, I am going to try to, uh, I think spiritually and

00:22:01.860 emotionally and psychologically choose to live a life, trying to earn people's respect

00:22:06.760 and these likes. And that was a big change in my life. And a big part of that was by these heroes,

00:22:11.600 but also especially my dad.

00:22:13.820 So you talk about, this was profound when you said it a second ago about not having, uh,

00:22:18.960 defining yourself by the world's expectations.

00:22:20.780 Yes. And you talk a lot about your faith and your relationship with God.

00:22:25.180 So, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I assume that you define your success or who

00:22:30.240 you are by your relationship and expectation from him.

00:22:33.020 Yes.

00:22:33.620 But my question is, how do you balance? And this is something a lot of guys ask is,

00:22:37.860 how do you balance a relationship with God where you have given your life to him, but also

00:22:43.540 juxtaposed with having the power and autonomy over your own life? And what's that relationship

00:22:51.440 between I'm serving him, but I'm also living my own life.

00:22:55.780 That's a really good question. So I think it's cool that it's snowing.

00:22:59.780 I know it's cool. It looks awesome.

00:23:00.820 Yeah, it looks really cool. Um,

00:23:03.820 it's important, I think, to understand what success really looks like. First of all,

00:23:09.760 um, I think in, in the world's eyes, what we're told so much is success is a few things. It's some

00:23:18.640 form of, of money, fame, power, status, all of these things. And I think,

00:23:23.480 I think when you study scripture, it's none of those things. I think none of those things are what

00:23:30.240 success is about. And I think there's some, you know, at times I've been able to have a few of those

00:23:36.500 things. And I think all of those things come and go. And I think when you base your life around those

00:23:43.880 things, I think you're always living a roller coaster that has highs and lows, but always leaves

00:23:52.420 you at the end of the ride having to go again. And I don't feel like they have fulfillment. I've

00:24:01.620 been fortunate to know a lot of people that have been successful. And I've had many deep conversations

00:24:08.500 with them asking them, when have you been most fulfilled?

00:24:14.320 I, I, I can't remember many ever saying it's after this deal. It's after this award is after this

00:24:21.760 and been fortunate to talk to a lot of people at the end of their life in hospitals,

00:24:27.960 some on death rows, some in, in very dark places. And I would ask them if you could go back and do it

00:24:38.300 all again, what would, what would you, what would you change? Why would you change it? And so many of

00:24:44.540 them would say, I would have loved more. I would have treated my family better. I would have served

00:24:52.380 more. I would have had more memories, but I would have tried to find a way to have more fulfillment

00:24:58.260 and meaningful things. And, uh, just, and this isn't just faith-based people. It's in so many

00:25:05.540 different, so many different walks of life. And, and so you think about all these things and I would

00:25:11.480 try to put them all together. And so many, many of them, in my opinion, and they use sometimes

00:25:17.540 different words, but they're searching for, for meaning, right? Why are we here? What is the

00:25:22.940 purpose? You know, what, what, what is the, what is the reason we're here? What is the, what's our

00:25:28.980 destiny? What, what is the, it, is there anything after this? I think they're all, so many of us are

00:25:34.640 searching for the same thing. And, and I believe that does fall into a few things. What are, why are

00:25:40.600 we here? What are we supposed to do here? And is there somewhere we're going when we die? And,

00:25:44.980 and I believe the people that have had the most fulfillment are the people that, that believe

00:25:49.980 they have found their purpose and their meaning in life. And those are the people that I have seen

00:25:54.720 have a lot or have nothing, but yet have the most joy, even in the midst of the hardest times.

00:26:00.180 I know so many people that have been missionaries in third world countries that have had so little,

00:26:05.540 barely food on their table. But when I'm around them, I'm most inspired because I see this crazy joy,

00:26:11.220 this crazy faith, this crazy fulfillment, even the midst of, of so such little material things.

00:26:17.360 But yet I see that and I want more of that. And then I'm around these other group that has

00:26:23.120 so much material stuff, so much in the world's eye success. And then very rarely do any of those

00:26:32.480 things lead me to say, I want more of that. Now, sometimes I see those people that have a lot of

00:26:37.140 success, but then they, they, they also have so much meaning and significance that comes from other

00:26:41.740 places. And I say, I want more of that, but rarely do I ever see it come from, from, oh, they just made

00:26:47.840 this crazy deal. They just got this crazy promotion or award. And you know, you don't, and especially

00:26:55.160 when you look at statistics, you don't see statistics say, oh my gosh, the more someone has,

00:27:01.240 the more joy, the more someone has, the lower the suicide rates. If anything, what you see is you

00:27:07.200 see slight trends in the other direction. And that should tell us something, that should truly tell

00:27:13.260 us something that there is something that is not fulfilling or satisfying about stuff, about money,

00:27:20.440 fame, and power. Yeah. And I think- I don't know if that answers your question.

00:27:24.400 No, it does. No, it does. And, and one of the things that you talk about in the book that I really

00:27:28.460 resonated with was, is how your purpose is to God, but then you fulfill that purpose through your work.

00:27:37.140 And I felt that even for myself, since I've been doing this for about seven years now,

00:27:41.940 I feel called, that's the word I use, called to do this work. I didn't know that when I started,

00:27:46.680 which is actually something I wanted to talk with you about again, also, because you talk about small

00:27:50.340 steps. Yes. But I don't talk about it a whole lot because I don't know that people would quite

00:27:55.160 understand the spiritual element of it because it's hard to see like, oh, so you podcast and

00:28:00.740 you feel called to podcast. Yeah. Yes, I do. But you talk about that in the book and that was a

00:28:05.100 really powerful moment for me. Oh, thank you. Well, first of all, I, I, why we even call it

00:28:10.180 Mission Possible, I think it's important to back up just for a second. Why we even titled it Mission

00:28:14.120 Possible is because I truly believe that every single person that has breath has purpose and every

00:28:20.340 single person that has breath has a mission from God. And that mission is something that is

00:28:25.800 possible. It's something he did not give us a mission that is impossible. Okay. He gave us a

00:28:30.860 mission that is possible. And it could be, um, to transcend your job. It could be to help the person

00:28:36.760 in your street. I think there, I think there's a macro mission, which is for the same for all of us

00:28:42.240 to love God and to love people. But then I think we've all been given different unique missions.

00:28:46.480 I think one of my biggest missions is, um, was started from when I met a boy in the jungles of

00:28:52.780 the Philippines who was born with his feet on backwards. And I knew that day and he was, because 1.00

00:28:56.520 of that, he was viewed as cursed, as less than it's insignificant. He was a throwaway. And I knew

00:29:00.600 he wasn't a throwaway to God. And I felt like God was opened my eyes to see that boy and opened my

00:29:04.940 heart to have compassion. And he was saying on that day, this is what I want you to do. This is your

00:29:09.820 mission. I want you to fight for boys and girls like him all around the world. And I want you to do it

00:29:13.820 till you can get to every single one of them. And that was a mission. I believe that started that

00:29:17.280 day. And that's what we're doing all around the world. But then it's continually grown and changed

00:29:24.120 and adapted and not changing. I'm not doing it, but you know, added to on top of that, opened my eyes

00:29:30.540 in my heart to those that were being trafficked and opened my eyes to the special needs community.

00:29:35.320 And so many things have, have grown from that. And I think that, um, you know, to those that are

00:29:40.900 listening right now, as I believe that, that you have been called and you say, well, how do you know

00:29:44.440 what my calling is? And first of all, I don't know. But one thing that I would encourage you is

00:29:48.340 have your eyes ever been open to a need, to a, to a, uh, to a person, to an injustice, to a

00:29:54.420 organization, to a, to a church, to a congregation, to something. And has your heart ever been pricked

00:30:00.520 to have compassion, to want to do something for it? And if so, that might be a good inkling to what

00:30:08.420 your, your calling might be of stepping into it. And it might be something little of starting

00:30:12.820 small with a small step. And you don't have to know where the end goal or the end destination

00:30:16.980 is, but start small and step in there and help and see what happens. And you know what,

00:30:21.840 for me, when I started and I stepped in, even though I didn't know, you know, what the end

00:30:25.700 goal was when I started, it was the most fulfilled I had ever been in my life. More than any championship

00:30:30.700 trophy, award, Heisman, anything. It was when I did that. And then it was okay. It's like almost

00:30:37.460 reaffirmed. And then you do it more and more and more. And now, you know, this is what you're

00:30:40.980 supposed to do. And, and maybe that's something similar to you as you started and you didn't know,

00:30:44.580 Hey, you know, order of man is going to turn into what it has, but I just feel like I'm supposed to

00:30:49.660 do it. And you do it and you do it and you do it. And all of a sudden, you know, it continues to

00:30:53.320 grow. And, and so for me, that was such a big part of, of, of wanting to write this was to

00:30:59.020 encourage people. You, you, you see a mission is, means a task or a job someone has given to do,

00:31:05.980 but its origin actually means to be sent, to send. And I believe every single one of us has

00:31:11.300 been sent here for a reason. And see, when you know, you have a mission means, you know, you have

00:31:15.200 a purpose. And, and that's important that we know we have purpose. And, you know, just in 2020,

00:31:20.880 there was over 6,000 suicides for people between 10 and 24. And I believe so many times when that

00:31:30.500 happens, it's because people don't believe that they have purpose. They don't believe there's a

00:31:34.400 reason. They don't believe that there is an actual, a mission for them here, that they have

00:31:40.120 great worth and value. And I want every life, not to, to think arrogantly, but, but confidently

00:31:46.900 that they are one of one. They were created in love, by love, and for love. There's a unique

00:31:53.760 purpose and plan for their life. There are no duplicates. All right. Their, their DNA is one of

00:31:59.880 one. They were created that way. And, and how they were created is not just for happenstance.

00:32:08.180 It's not just for, to meander through life, but there is a, there is a special purpose and

00:32:13.380 plan for their life. And, and why don't, they don't have to spend their life trying to be

00:32:18.260 like anybody else is because God didn't create them to be like anybody else. He created them

00:32:23.120 to be the best version of them. And 12% of our thoughts are spent in comparison every day.

00:32:30.580 That seems low.

00:32:31.880 But that's crazy. It's shocking to me.

00:32:33.800 It is.

00:32:34.220 It just seems like it's probably more than that.

00:32:35.940 I know we don't, but we don't have to spend our time comparing ourselves because God didn't make

00:32:39.660 us to be like anybody else. And you know, it's a staggering is over 60% of, of, of young people

00:32:46.140 say that there's nobody in the world that believes in them. And you know what? That's one of the

00:32:50.960 things that we're talking about here in order of man is that we have to have men step up and do

00:32:55.020 that. But even if, if dads haven't stepped up to do that, we have a heavenly father that stepped

00:33:00.820 up to do that. And you know what? I want every single one of these young people to know that

00:33:05.700 there is a, there is a, a God in heaven that loves them like crazy, loves them so much that they have

00:33:13.200 this worth and they have this mission and they have this purpose, but then to also know that it's

00:33:17.880 possible. You see when you possible means to be able, see, they are able to have a life that

00:33:24.140 counts. They're able to fulfill that mission. It doesn't mean they're able to have whatever

00:33:27.940 success they want or whatever status they want, whatever they want, but to make their life count.

00:33:33.400 I believe that is possible for every single one of us. See, I wanted to make this so encouraging

00:33:38.820 and enticing for people that it's possible, not that it's daunting. This isn't mission impossible.

00:33:44.460 It's in a Tom Cruise movie where they got to do these things that nobody else can do.

00:33:48.780 No, they got to do what they were created to do. And I want it to be encouraging for people

00:33:53.260 that when they pick it up, they say, I can do that because I was created for it. I can do that

00:33:56.900 because it's possible. I can do that because I just got to take a small step. I can do that because

00:34:01.080 God did the hard part and I got to do my part.

00:34:04.640 I'm so, I'm, I'm, I'm really glad that you continue to talk on the small step thing, because

00:34:09.880 I think even if people believe what you're saying, they hear it and they're inspired and they will

00:34:14.380 be, I think by what you're saying, the next thought that comes to their mind is, well,

00:34:18.280 I don't have a cathartic moment. I don't, I've never had, you know, the, the God speak to me or

00:34:24.260 I've never had this moment. He's never spoke to me either. Listen, I never spoke, you know,

00:34:27.480 I might not be a good Christian, but he's never audibly spoke to me, but I tell you what,

00:34:31.460 he spoke to me in, in seeing other people and seeing lives and seeing people. And you know what?

00:34:36.120 I bet that if, if we opened our eyes a little bit more, I bet you a lot of those people that

00:34:40.100 said that I would say, well, have you ever seen a homeless man on the side of the street?

00:34:44.160 And have you ever felt compassion for him? Maybe that was him saying, Hey, do something.

00:34:48.820 Have you ever seen a, um, a third grader without a dad? And you've ever thought, Hey, maybe I

00:34:55.660 should just go have a encouraging conversation. Have you ever some seen someone in need? Have

00:35:00.260 you ever watched the news and said, man, I just, I wish I could help with do something.

00:35:06.820 Do start by doing something. It doesn't have to be big. It could be start by, Hey,

00:35:11.420 what, what's your skillset? Honestly, look at what's your skillset. What is the skillset God's

00:35:15.980 given you? Can you create things? Can you build things? Can you build a bunk bed for orphanages?

00:35:20.920 You know, what is it that you, that you can do? Cause I believe that God can use that and he can

00:35:25.880 enhance it. And what people, uh, in my opinion, and I've done this many times is I've kind of,

00:35:31.240 I think got so frustrated thinking, God, I just, I want to do something big, but I can't do that.

00:35:37.540 I can't do this. And then I'm reminded like the miracle doesn't come because we're so incredibly

00:35:44.960 equipped. The miracle comes because we give what we have to the miracle maker, right? And it's,

00:35:51.040 we're giving our loaves and our fish to the miracle maker. You see, when, when Jesus fed the 5,000,

00:35:55.940 it wasn't because, wow, this boy gave just enough for the 5,000. A boy gave his lunchbox,

00:36:01.840 right? And God could do whatever the heck he wanted to do with it. You know? And that's what

00:36:05.780 we have to be willing to do is like, God, we don't know what you're going to do with it.

00:36:08.740 But here's, here's the, even though I feel like it's just a little bit, even though I don't think

00:36:13.220 I can really do a lot, here you go. Cause the miracle maker is the one that does what he wants

00:36:17.980 with it. We just got to be willing to give, give that sacrifice, whatever, whatever it is for you.

00:36:22.300 Yeah. Willing to go talk, willing to go help, willing to go work, just step out a little bit

00:36:27.760 of faith and step out with our effort. And you have no idea what God can do with it. We have no

00:36:31.900 idea, but it can start in the little things in our life. How do you, how do you manage? So we talked a

00:36:37.440 little bit about expectations earlier. How do you manage your own expectations? You know, I see

00:36:41.140 how you show up, how you perform, whether it's on the football field or baseball diamond or

00:36:45.640 with your organizations and your foundations. And I know you're a competitive guy, like you wouldn't,

00:36:50.640 you wouldn't be to the level you are if you didn't have that competitive spirit and drive.

00:36:55.960 But how do you manage that expectation when you know, for example, there's all these people who

00:37:01.080 are hurting or struggling or suffering and you feel compelled and called and you can't do it all.

00:37:06.460 It's hard. I think that's where you got to know that God is sovereign and he's in control and he's

00:37:11.040 in control, control of all of it. And so this is where it's really important to understand God's job

00:37:16.760 and our job. Our job is not one where we can change hearts. We can't do that. Our job is not

00:37:24.160 one that we can perform miracles. We can't do that. But what does scripture ask us to do? It asks us to

00:37:31.540 love him and love people and love our neighbor. Who's our neighbor? Well, really, biblically,

00:37:37.660 our neighbor is everybody. And then when we understand what does love mean, we'll choose the

00:37:42.140 best interest of our neighbor and act on their behalf. So we see people in need, we go meet that

00:37:48.020 need. And then God shows up and he does his job, whatever he wants to do and show up in big ways

00:37:53.140 and small ways and miracle ways and all of these different things. But we can't think, oh, we can't

00:37:58.520 put ourselves and think, oh, we're God. We can't do that. But we also know that God has asked us to do

00:38:03.420 something. He's given us a mission and we can't think, you know, and I think it's really easy to fall in

00:38:09.860 this trap. Well, I see all of these hurting people and it's crushing me. And I, and I, sometimes I'll,

00:38:16.440 I'll definitely feel that, that weight, but it also, it urges me to do more. But then I can't think,

00:38:23.480 well, God, why won't you show up? Because I know that he has shown up when he gave his son his best

00:38:29.040 who had a perfect relationship with, and he, and Jesus was sacrificed for us on our behalf.

00:38:36.120 He did give his best. You know, he, he came through for us and, and in a way that even when we understand

00:38:47.220 the cross, we'll never understand everything of it, of just how that perfect relationship was severed

00:38:53.480 and the sacrifice of God, the father and God, the son, and what he went through. And the Bible says,

00:39:00.740 he not only took on sin, he became sin so we could be made right. And so God has come through for us

00:39:09.640 and he's given us this task, this, this mission. It's also the great commission. And to, as we go

00:39:17.440 throughout the world to bring the gospel. And so, yes, we need to do that with our, our words, but also

00:39:24.260 in my opinion is every day we share the gospel, but every now and then we use words as we also need

00:39:30.760 to bring what we believe with our actions, with the way we love, with the way we support and with

00:39:36.380 words. And all of this can be done with, with the way that we care for people and the way that we share

00:39:45.260 with people, but we can't think, we can't get overwhelmed by, and it's easy by the, the magnitude

00:39:55.440 of hurt around the world. It's easy right now. It's what's happening in Ukraine. No doubt. To get 0.89

00:39:59.900 overwhelmed. Right. And, but we have to know that God is sovereign. God's in control. It didn't catch

00:40:05.800 him by surprise. He is still in control of all of this. And I don't know why, you know, injustices and,

00:40:12.400 and hurt and, and harm come. I can't explain all of it, but I know that our God is in control of it

00:40:18.300 and that he's sovereign for all of it. And so I can't focus on that. I have to focus on what he's

00:40:23.280 asked me to do. And you know what, as long as I have breath, I know I have, I have purpose and I'm

00:40:28.080 going to go after every single boy and girl that I can to put, to bring faith, hope and love to them

00:40:33.420 in their darkest hour of need. And I don't know if we can get to them all. I don't know if, you know,

00:40:40.080 um, and I know at times we feel overwhelmed. I know it, you know, just in conversations this

00:40:45.600 morning, talking to our team that some of the people we're fortunate to serve with in the

00:40:51.480 Ukraine, incredible heroes. If you haven't been driving for 28 hours just to go and get food and

00:40:57.480 bring it back. And, and, and some of these moms have, have been bringing kids with special needs 0.99

00:41:03.220 and orphans to get them to a place of safety and going back and then writing back and saying,

00:41:08.660 I know that, that God's called me to stay. Even though I have a chance to go out to be in safety,

00:41:14.260 they come back. I mean, it's not just, you know, people use the phrase everyday heroes and I just

00:41:19.220 disagree. I think they're generational heroes, you know? And yeah, they're, they're, what you're saying

00:41:24.680 is their impact is generational is what you're saying. Is that how you're saying that?

00:41:28.800 Yeah. I think it's incredible. I think what they're doing is it's not just helping the people

00:41:35.540 of their country that they love and care so far so much. I know it's changing our team.

00:41:42.340 I know it's changed me. I know it's changing our president, the head of our serve team,

00:41:47.560 the head of so many teams that we serve with. And we just say, wow. Like it's one thing to talk

00:41:55.360 about it. It's another to see it in action. And this is another, this is another time seeing it

00:42:00.260 in action by heroes. And, um, and it's been incredible. Yeah.

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00:43:31.300 we'll get back to it with Tebow. One thing that I hear quite often from people, whether they either

00:43:38.160 vocalize it or they act as if, you know, they might look at you and I'm sure you've got this before is

00:43:42.260 you're talking about all these things you're inspired by and all these things you're doing and how you're

00:43:46.260 serving other people. And I think you're always going to have a subset of individuals who will

00:43:50.380 say things like, well, that's easy for you to say. Well, you know, of course, because they might look

00:43:55.280 at it and think, well, you know, Tim's got a charmed life. He's, he's super athletic. He's been

00:43:59.640 successful. He's had all these successes. And so, but me, like I can't do that, but he can, of course.

00:44:06.080 And so they almost dismiss what you've gone through, even the negative situations that you've gone

00:44:11.460 through thinking that everything you touch turns to gold. So, well, um, that's definitely not the

00:44:15.900 case. Try getting cut a bunch of times in your life. Well, not only that, but the public in the

00:44:22.500 public sphere, like if I get fired from a job, that's hard, but millions of people aren't going

00:44:28.320 to see that and judge me for that. Yeah. Try getting, you know, missing a block on ESPN and it

00:44:34.400 goes everywhere. Right. Exactly. It goes viral. Honestly, on the grand scale, it doesn't matter.

00:44:39.040 That's just, that's in our, you know, for our pride, it matters, but that's not real suffering

00:44:45.000 or persecution. And what I would say is I would go back to so many heroes of mine that the world

00:44:52.280 doesn't know. They've never heard their names. They've never been talked about, but yet

00:44:58.460 with little tiny platforms, they've been in communities in the Middle East or Southeast Asia,

00:45:09.040 or places where they've been persecuted or thrown in jails or prisons and have made incredible

00:45:14.920 impacts. And, you know, I just can go back to my dad and my mom twice in, in my life. And just in

00:45:21.500 mine, it happened more than that, but just in my little life of growing up, I got to see them where

00:45:27.020 they only were down to just a few dollars. And my mom says to my dad, we, we just, we don't have

00:45:32.700 anymore. It's just a couple of dollars. And my dad said, give the rest away, really give it away

00:45:37.680 twice in my time growing up that I can remember. And my mom's like, I said, it's okay. God will

00:45:44.060 provide both evenings. We had neighbors for different reasons come over that either had

00:45:51.040 extra food or made extra dinner and said, we don't know why, right? Just unsolicited. We don't know

00:45:55.240 why, but we just felt like we were supposed to bring y'all dinner, you know? And my opinion

00:46:00.040 is, is that, that faith, you know, and you, then you see God's faithfulness in it. And

00:46:06.720 you know, I, I can just go back to stories and this is another reason why my dad's such

00:46:12.660 an incredible hero of mine of when he's walked into villages and they say, you don't tell us

00:46:17.760 about your God. And if so, if, if you do, we want you to know that we're going to kill 0.91

00:46:22.660 you. And where does that come from? Like, why would they, why would they say they just, 1.00

00:46:28.980 their life is as bad as it is. They don't believe in God or, or sometimes, um, believe

00:46:34.120 in a different religion. And my dad lovingly and kindly would stand up and would share about

00:46:39.860 the love of Jesus. And even one time a man is, is in the back of the, the, uh, this open

00:46:47.560 field and he's has a machete and he pulls it out. So it's walking from the back up to the

00:46:52.640 front and he gets to the front and he's standing in front of my dad and he has tears coming

00:46:57.960 down the side of his face. And he said, uh, and my dad doesn't even know why, but when

00:47:02.780 he's preaching, he just puts on his heart to talk about forgiveness. And, and so when

00:47:08.380 the guy gets to the front, um, he, he looks at my dad and he said, well, will you forgive

00:47:13.000 me to my dad? To my dad. And my dad says, for, for, for what? And he said, I was sent here

00:47:19.980 to kill you. And he said, you started talking about forgiveness. And I just want to ask if 0.98

00:47:25.000 you would forgive me. And, um, wow. You just, and I mean, I, I just, you know, I think that

00:47:32.360 we serve a really big God and we don't know how everything works together. We don't know

00:47:37.340 how God is using all of the, the good, all of the bad, all of the pain, all of the sadness,

00:47:43.900 all of it. But I believe that he is, that he's using it and that he's working in lives and

00:47:48.660 that he's wants to work in our lives. If we let him.

00:47:52.200 Are there times where you've genuinely struggled with your faith, where you thought this isn't

00:47:58.620 real or this isn't, I don't know.

00:48:01.000 I don't know if I, if I would say struggle that this isn't real. I was struggle to say,

00:48:05.920 how was all this working together? And I think sometimes I couldn't see it and struggle.

00:48:11.880 I think sometimes with, especially the pain in the hurt around the world and growing up

00:48:16.520 in the Philippines. And then, um, I think it was so incredible to be able to grow up in

00:48:23.440 the Philippines. But then as we did, we went to, we're in so many countries, you know, we

00:48:26.860 traveled all the time. And I think it was amazing with, with, with perspective. But then as you

00:48:32.680 see so much hurt too, that you just think like, it's a lot. Yeah. Why, why would he allow this

00:48:40.600 to happen? Yeah. Yeah. And it's, um, and I think that would be an area that I would say,

00:48:48.880 God, I don't understand. I don't get, I want to get it, you know? Um, but I wouldn't. And so

00:48:55.600 many times along the way, he would be like this thought of that he would put in my head

00:49:00.760 of, you think that because you care about them and they're hurting that I don't. And

00:49:10.400 then it'd be this thought of, you have never given your son for them, but I gave mine. And

00:49:22.680 yet you want to question how much I love them. Hmm. You have no idea how I'm working

00:49:28.920 all these things together for good. You have no idea. And then it'd be another thought

00:49:35.560 of, uh, I'm so grateful that I don't serve a God that I can fully understand because if

00:49:43.500 he's a God that I could fully understand, he probably wouldn't be a God worth serving.

00:49:48.460 But he is a God that I can fully trust because his character is trustworthy. I can fully trust

00:49:56.260 him because so many reasons, but mainly for me, because he gave his best for me. See, if,

00:50:05.380 if, if, if you had a friend and, and your friend gave his son to rescue you and your family,

00:50:16.600 would you ever question that friend again? No, of course not. Never. But yet we question God all

00:50:22.340 the time because we don't fully get it, but we don't have to question him because his character

00:50:32.760 is not questionable. His character is trustworthy. Even though we don't fully get it all, we don't

00:50:39.700 know how it's all working, but that's where I've tried to give it to him to say, I don't,

00:50:46.000 I don't get it all, but I know I can trust you and, and help me trust you more in the good,

00:50:54.560 in the bad, trust you more in the unknown, in the known when I think I know, but I really don't

00:50:59.920 in all those moments is that's when I hopefully, and I know so many times I haven't been, that's

00:51:05.640 what I hope my, my faith will be faithful, you know, in those moments also when I don't

00:51:11.780 get it or you're overwhelmed by hurt. How do you, how do you find the balance personally

00:51:17.440 between having that level of faith in God, but then doing the work that you have control

00:51:23.900 over? You know, you talk about in the book, a lot about the edge, right? And so you'll hear

00:51:28.280 people say things like, well, if it's God's will, and although I can agree to some degree 0.81

00:51:33.400 of what they're saying, a lot of the times they're shifting responsibility where it doesn't

00:51:36.920 belong. Yes. Yes. And yes, I, I, I get, I'll get fired up about this because, um, so you hear

00:51:46.280 a lot of pastors and speakers talk about, um, both sides of that, right? Like, um, work

00:51:51.440 like it depends on us and have faith like it depends on God. And then I heard actually just

00:51:56.060 Sunday, I heard, um, someone speaking and they said, do both, do both. Don't lean on one

00:52:02.860 side work like, like it does depend on us because God has given a mission for some reason. He

00:52:08.420 wants to use us and he calls us co-laborers. So go out and do the mission. It's one reason

00:52:12.780 that my dad is such a hero is because he wasn't one of those people that just talked about

00:52:17.260 it and raised his hand at church. No, he was like, yeah, that's good, but I'm going to

00:52:20.820 be about it. My life is going to be about it. And all of my actions are going to be about

00:52:26.700 it. And I want to be someone that I'm about it. It's not just, Hey, this is what I talk

00:52:30.580 about my faith. I want to be about what we're called to do, you know? And then I also want

00:52:36.560 to have the faith that says, I know that God's in control. I know that God is sovereign. I

00:52:41.200 know that he's working all things together for good that those who love him and those

00:52:45.400 are called according to purpose. And I can't see it, but I also want to trust it, you know?

00:52:49.800 And so I think it's, it's the battle between both of those thoughts, but I want to work like

00:52:55.340 it depends on us and have faith knowing that God is in control of those at the same time.

00:53:00.360 But I also believe that God has, he has put us here and he has given us talent, time, resources,

00:53:10.060 a skillset in each other to say, you know, we can make a difference and God has put us

00:53:15.600 here. And, and, and yes, he can, he can come through in big ways like he did with, you know,

00:53:22.160 feeding the 5,000, but he also wants to use us to come through for people. Right. You know? And I

00:53:27.960 believe that, that God came on a rescue mission for humanity through the cross to rescue us. But

00:53:35.480 I believe when you've been rescued, you're on the rescue team. And now we better act like we're on

00:53:40.640 the rescue team. I believe that those that have been graced or grace people, those that have been

00:53:46.940 helped or people that can help. Like we, we, we, you know, as believers, when you believe that Jesus

00:53:54.260 died for you and that he's rescued you from your sin, from your mistakes, from the ways we messed up,

00:54:00.520 like that's not to say, okay, I'm, you know, I know I got a home in heaven and I'll see you there one day.

00:54:07.440 No, it's to go take that to the world. Is it, if you really believe that it is the message that saves,

00:54:12.980 it's a message that takes people from spiritually dead to spiritually alive. The most selfish thing

00:54:18.420 that you can do is to not tell anyone or not doing anything. It is the most selfish act.

00:54:24.340 You know, so many times you'll say, well, you know, don't, don't be overly preachy. And I don't,

00:54:28.960 I never want to be that person that's overly forceful with it, but I do want to be that person

00:54:33.300 that is overly loving with it. And there's a difference, meaning that I want to show up.

00:54:37.440 How can I help? How can I love you? How can I care for you? And then when you ask why,

00:54:40.940 when you say, what is that all about? It is about, Hey, listen, I know that I'm a sucky person 0.97

00:54:46.480 that I've been rescued by a great God. And I want you to know that he loves you like crazy

00:54:51.080 and he wants to rescue you too. Well, I think there's also power in delivery, right? So,

00:54:56.020 you know, you might have a neighbor who's completely turned off with faith, for example.

00:55:01.040 For sure. And so you don't need to preach to them. You just need to go mow their lawn.

00:55:04.040 That's exactly right. That is exactly right. And it can start with that. And we think,

00:55:08.940 well, we go share with them and they're totally turned off. Well, don't, don't stop there.

00:55:13.480 Right. You know, don't, you know, like, Hey, like there's a lot of ways that we can go

00:55:19.480 open someone's eyes and we can share with them. And what is the most loving thing we can do is not

00:55:24.780 leave. The most loving thing we can do is to dive in, to say, okay, Hey, I just want you to know,

00:55:30.540 Hey, you know, we, we don't see eye to eye on that, but Hey, I want you to know, I'm still here for

00:55:35.400 you. I love you. How can I help? How can we build a relationship? You know? And it's not that you

00:55:39.940 shy away from the truth. It's that you dive into the truth that, Hey, I want you to know what I

00:55:44.520 believe, but I'm, even though we don't see eye to eye on that, I'm still here with you for you

00:55:50.160 because that is showing what I believe leaving isn't right. You know, right. Basing it on

00:55:55.300 their, their ability or desire to understand you is probably not really love.

00:56:00.120 No, but, and it's also looking at Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who

00:56:04.520 for the joy set before him, endured the cross, despised the shame and sat down at the right

00:56:07.720 hand of the throne of God. So when you look at his example, he loved us before we ever

00:56:13.060 loved him. And that is, he, he is our example. And, and so we're also called to love people

00:56:19.400 before they ever fall in love with what we're talking about too. And it's not just, we just

00:56:24.080 love them. Oh, when we agree, we see eye to eye, or we love them because they're go to

00:56:28.780 our church or we love them because they love the same things we love. That's not what it

00:56:32.800 is about at all. We love people that look different, that sound different, that are different beliefs,

00:56:38.120 all of that. Our love for people shouldn't be based on what we have in common in the sense

00:56:44.520 of material things. Our love for people should be based on what we have in common of meaning

00:56:50.360 that Jesus died for all, of meaning that he loves you as much as he loves me, of meaning

00:56:55.740 that when he said it is finished on the cross and kind of just as much for you as it did

00:57:01.260 for me, of meaning that when we say that we're all fearfully and wonderfully made, that you

00:57:06.300 are as valuable as me, that you were created in the image of God just as much as I was.

00:57:11.800 That's our common ground. Our common ground is not our looks, it's not your beard, it's

00:57:16.100 not, you know, whatever beliefs we have. Our common ground for all of humanity is that

00:57:22.160 we're all created in the image of God, is that he died for all of us, is that he loves

00:57:25.580 all of us, and I believe that he wants to have a relationship with all of us. That is

00:57:29.960 our common ground, and that is true for all of humanity.

00:57:33.660 You've had some changes with your career, even over the past couple of years, quite a few

00:57:39.540 changes actually. And one of the things that I've heard you talk about is how your path

00:57:44.880 changed due to COVID with the baseball season wrapping up, right?

00:57:48.500 And so, when you think about how much you're able to, you were disappointed, you talk about

00:57:53.600 that, obviously, and then your path starts to change, and you're excited now that you

00:57:57.900 can be more involved with your foundations and things like that. What does that look like

00:58:01.640 for your athletic career moving forward, relative to your level of involvement with your foundation

00:58:09.180 and the work that you do?

00:58:10.560 Yeah, I have no idea what's in store for sports. And I don't know. I think that I have

00:58:17.640 been, I think one example would be just this past fall when I'm on the Jaguars, even though

00:58:26.740 it's for a short time. And, you know, I get cut, and again, and...

00:58:33.540 Does it cut, does it, I don't want to interrupt, but does it, like, it doesn't, it can't become

00:58:37.320 easier, or is it more manageable, or like...

00:58:39.860 Honestly, not really.

00:58:40.800 Okay, yeah, I'm just curious about that.

00:58:42.780 And, and I go home, and I'm so, I have the most amazing wife, and I just go home, and

00:58:50.320 she's so supportive, and it's disappointing. I have so many great friends, and everybody's

00:58:55.260 so supportive of it, and saying encouraging things, but I gotta be honest, I'm still, like,

00:58:59.940 pissed.

00:59:00.320 Of course.

00:59:01.400 Disappointing.

00:59:01.900 That's that competitive side.

00:59:02.900 Disappointing.

00:59:03.580 Upset.

00:59:04.620 And, and, you know, I, I, I wish I could say it's just competitive, but I, I think I

00:59:09.580 let it get too much. I think I let it go too deep to where it controls me, where I can

00:59:14.900 get envy, bitter.

00:59:15.580 The emotional side of it?

00:59:16.580 The emotional, I let, I really do. I think it's something I've always struggled with.

00:59:21.500 You know, letting that, the goal and the drive affect you emotionally, spiritually, too

00:59:29.220 deep, you know? And, um, I was sulking and bitter, and it was right when all this stuff

00:59:36.520 started to happen in Afghanistan. And it's happening, and so we are trying to figure out

00:59:43.440 what we can do, how we can do, how we can deploy teams, help, all this different stuff.

00:59:47.480 And so, all of a sudden, um, you know, a few hours later, I find myself on a, on a plane

00:59:53.120 to the Middle East. And, um, it was, even though we're going to, to serve in a terrible situation,

01:00:03.440 so many people are hurting and are in harm's way. And man, it was just like, it was such

01:00:11.960 an encouragement from God that I got to go be part of trying to help because it was like

01:00:18.960 he was saying to me, you, you thought that, that it was supposed to be about a game. You

01:00:25.380 thought today you're supposed to be going to practice. I have a more important mission

01:00:29.660 for you today. And it's not to catch passes. Yeah. It's a go try to help lives. And I, I

01:00:38.840 was just so impacted and, and we, we got to, to do, um, um, in a hard situation to help a lot

01:00:48.140 of lives in that situation, but I couldn't have been as involved as, as a part. If I'm

01:00:54.180 playing, if that game is, is if I'm still on the team. Right. And I know it's going to

01:00:59.960 sound weird and probably some people won't believe it on the plane. I got to finally say

01:01:05.960 in that situation, God, thank you for, for letting me get cut. I mean, I say that very

01:01:14.340 humbly because a lot of times I couldn't say that, you know, like even after other, it took

01:01:18.580 me a while to say thank you genuinely. Thank you. Of course, you know? Yeah. But I got to say,

01:01:24.000 especially when I'm in some of the refugee camps and seeing it, thank you for letting me be here.

01:01:30.160 Like, thank you for, for letting me do this and not having me be where I wanted to be or where I

01:01:36.160 thought I should, or, or, or needed to be or where I think I, I should be based on talent. Right.

01:01:41.740 Yeah. But this is based on purpose. It's just so much more important. And it was just one,

01:01:49.520 another one of those times in my life where I think I just totally lost sight many times because

01:01:56.220 of sports and the challenge and the goals and wanting that success and success doesn't always

01:02:01.180 look like, Oh, it's this, this, um, reaching the top. It's could just be reaching what you think you

01:02:07.720 want, you know, what you, this is what I think I want, what I think I should have, what I think

01:02:12.660 I should get. And it was just like, God, I was like, no, you think you want that. I got something

01:02:17.740 better for you. Well, and also thinking about what you've worked for. Yes. Right. So it's not just

01:02:22.900 what, it's what you busted. And you think I put so much time in, right. This is what I need. This is

01:02:27.720 what I should have. Right. But it's just, I think so many times in his plan is when he stops one door,

01:02:33.360 it's, and we always use the phrase, he closes one door, he opens another. And so many times

01:02:38.160 you're like, well, I feel like all these doors are closing, you know? And, but I, I think honestly

01:02:43.920 though, it was just another realization and change where I just thought, man, you're, you're honestly,

01:02:51.920 God, you're just, it's so much better than I, than I would have even asked for. And I think so many

01:02:59.000 times God doesn't give us what we ask for because his plan is truly so much better. Not necessarily

01:03:05.580 the plan we have in our heads, but his plan for it. And man, I was just, I don't know if that

01:03:11.100 answered your question, but it was something I was so grateful for that, you know, I don't know what's

01:03:15.900 in store in sports, but I know that what is in store for what I believe my mission is just so much

01:03:21.820 more important than sports will ever be. And I'll always be grateful for sports because it gave me a

01:03:26.120 platform. Definitely. You gave me opportunity to, to do a lot of amazing things. Um, and I love

01:03:33.200 sports and I always want to be involved in them, but I'm so grateful that my life isn't defined by

01:03:39.340 sports. And I'm so grateful that my mission isn't just about winning a game, but it's more important.

01:03:45.640 And I've been around so many people that

01:03:48.220 have also with me lived the rollercoaster of sports.

01:03:56.120 But weren't able to get off and continue to live it because no matter how,

01:04:00.960 how good you do in sports, there's always a time where it ends.

01:04:04.140 It's going to come to an end.

01:04:05.180 There's always a time where you're not eventually good enough, even for the best of the best.

01:04:09.040 You know? And, and it was another chance for me in the Middle East to say, wow,

01:04:16.580 this is what I'm supposed to be doing.

01:04:19.400 Well, Tim, this has been a powerful conversation.

01:04:21.520 It has. Thank you for letting me share, man.

01:04:23.960 I devoured the book. I went through it so fast. Um, it was, it was very inspiring, man. And it,

01:04:30.100 it lit a fire under me that I, I felt like I needed to lit as well.

01:04:33.620 Oh man. Thank you for, for what you're doing. And thank you for, for encouraging and inspiring,

01:04:38.860 um, men to be men and to step up. And it's, uh, it's encouraging for me to see, um, what you're doing.

01:04:46.980 And I really wish nothing but the best and pray nothing but the best for, for you. And, um, and for

01:04:53.880 all the guys that are watching, you know, I just, I hope they, they know their worth and their value

01:04:59.120 and they say yes to their mission. I believe that, man, could you imagine if all the guys watching

01:05:04.500 said yes, the impact that they could have on the world?

01:05:07.620 Yeah, no doubt. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you, man. Appreciate it. It's fun. Really fun.

01:05:11.640 All right, man. There you go. Uh, obviously an incredibly, incredibly powerful conversation.

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TIM TEBOW ｜ Create a Life That Counts

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