Order of Man - When Prepping Goes Too Far, Best Single Piece of Advice, and Contentment vs. Complacency

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart

00:00:04.980 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:10.400 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is

00:00:17.020 who you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.720 you can call yourself a man. Sean, how's it going, man? It's great. Good to see you.

00:00:28.500 Good to see you. Nice looking hat you got on.

00:00:32.760 Thanks. Yeah, Ryan gave it to me at the Legacy event, which was cool.

00:00:37.840 Well, and you guys, listen, you're not going to get a free one from Ryan. So if you guys do want

00:00:41.860 a hat, go to store.orderofman.com, get your swag. I think you could probably get an order in maybe

00:00:48.560 today, and then you're probably risking yourselves in regards to getting some stuff in for Christmas.

00:00:54.620 So Sean, I have to ask you this question because I do this, and luckily my wife doesn't listen to

00:01:00.820 the podcast, so she has no idea. But during the holiday season, I start buying shit, right? Not

00:01:07.860 shit. I end up buying good stuff for my family. And I swear I buy more stuff for myself during the

00:01:14.420 holiday season than I normally do because as I'm shopping, I'm like, oh, I'll get that. And so all

00:01:21.360 these packages are coming in. And my wife's legit thinking like, holy crap, honey, we shouldn't get

00:01:27.080 so much stuff for the kids. And I'm secretly like, actually, half of that's for me. So do you do this

00:01:35.360 at all? Or is this just me being in? And I get that this is entirely selfish. This goes against the

00:01:40.520 whole concept of Christmas. But I don't know what it is. I start buying more things during the Christmas

00:01:45.060 holiday for myself. So I don't know. I, yes, I fall into that too. The funny thing is I've

00:01:51.120 actually bought a couple of things that I was wanting anyways. Because my wife and I are in

00:01:56.340 this weird situation where we don't wait for holidays or things. It's just like, as we want

00:02:01.520 things or need them, we just buy them. And, and so I found myself doing that a couple of times and

00:02:06.180 it got here and we're wrapping gifts. And I told my wife, you know what, here, if you want a present

00:02:10.560 to get me here, it is totally. So like surprise last Christmas, I even wrapped, like I felt guilty

00:02:18.580 that I bought myself some cool stuff. So I even wrapped it for myself. So like at least so I'd

00:02:25.540 like have to delay opening it at least, you know, like that was like the least I could do, you know?

00:02:32.320 So I don't know. Maybe it's first world problems. It's a good sign when you're in a position where

00:02:39.080 you're like, I want something and you get it and it's not like a big deal. Right. And I,

00:02:44.220 and I remember those days, man, I remember the days of wanting something and knowing I can't get

00:02:49.740 it. Right. And because it would be a bad purchase because, you know, my ratio of income to what I

00:02:56.140 want was not even close, you know? So I guess it's a good sign to be in this phase of life where

00:03:02.600 if you need something or want something, you can do it. And it's not really that big of a deal.

00:03:07.380 Yeah. I think it took me a couple of decades to get over that kind of being broke. I remember not

00:03:13.740 having money for gas. I, you know, was living in my car and not even able to like, I'd have to call

00:03:19.800 a local friend to see if they had 20 bucks they could bring me at the gas station. Cause my, you

00:03:24.420 know, my card was tapped out or whatever. Totally. I remember like, it's just silly, crazy. Like I

00:03:30.620 should go to the dentist. I'm not going to the dentist. Why? Cause I don't have the money to pay for

00:03:34.760 the dentist. Right. And I mean, I remember scenarios where, you know, I'd pound ibuprofen,

00:03:39.500 like there's no tomorrow. And then I had a, like, I'd even learn. How's this? I learned about my body

00:03:45.780 adapting to ibuprofen due to the pain of my teeth and going, Oh, it's not working anymore. I'm

00:03:53.980 doubling my dose. Like I got to go Tylenol. I got to like mix this thing up. You know what I mean?

00:03:59.560 To like delay having to go to the dentist, you know? And, and, and, and it's not until I was

00:04:04.600 like losing my mind and losing sleep that I was like, I got to go in. Like, I just got to bite

00:04:08.800 the bullet here. Um, which by the way, I later learned you can actually die from like infections

00:04:14.240 in your teeth. So, you know, anyone listening, don't do what I did, but, but you know, those are

00:04:20.940 tough times. Like I even remember some buddies, like they would go give a plasma. Like that was a

00:04:27.220 strategy, right? It's like, Oh, you know, I'm going to increase my cashflow. I'm going to donate

00:04:31.760 plasma for a little bit of extra income, you know? So it's, I did that one time. It's I, if I'm being

00:04:37.120 honest, I did it once. I didn't tell anybody. Yeah. Uh, good times, man. What? And it's funny.

00:04:43.660 It sounds so cliche, but, um, I was just reading a quote the other day on, on Insta and it was about

00:04:49.980 the, you know, the, the most struggling times in your life you look back on. And those were some of

00:04:57.160 the best. And I know it sounds corny, but it's totally true. My entire, you know, and I don't

00:05:02.880 want to sound all negative. Like everyone's guys are like, whatever you guys don't have a hard. Um,

00:05:07.340 but I, you know, I had a tough upbringing and I would consider, and you know what, those are some

00:05:12.020 of the best times. Those were the best Christmases. Those were the best scenarios where I didn't get a

00:05:17.520 present for my birthday, or we were the poor family that like the neighborhood donated blankets to,

00:05:24.020 you know, and, and those were some of the best times they really were. So yeah. Best learning

00:05:30.860 experiences at the very least. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So anyhow, I, I digress it. You know,

00:05:37.200 it's a tradition for us to waste everyone's time, at least for a few minutes before we get into

00:05:42.040 questions. Yeah. So, Hey, I will say that last time we were together, there was a huge spike in people

00:05:46.400 listening. You know, Ryan said it's because Dan Crenshaw was on that week, but I, I begged to differ.

00:05:51.120 I begged to differ as well. So, um, but you know, Ryan does have a sensitive ego. And so if you guys

00:05:58.880 want, don't let him know how great this episode went. So then that way he doesn't get offended and,

00:06:04.540 you know, doesn't think he's not the man after all it is his movement. So yeah, he is the man there.

00:06:11.560 So, yeah. Um, so we're going to field questions from Facebook. That's facebook.com slash group

00:06:17.180 slash order, man. If you guys want to join us, join the community. And, you know, we talked about

00:06:21.040 this all the time band with us, you know, it's, um, it's refreshing Sean to be part of a movement

00:06:30.300 that is on the court in life and not sitting in the sideline and complaining. And, and I think by

00:06:38.360 default, I think it's very human nature. Someone, you know, even suggested to me the other day on a

00:06:44.040 post that like, maybe it's a, a, a, a form of, um, socialization, right? White people are victims.

00:06:51.400 I actually think it's default. I think it's a little bit of human nature for us not to take

00:06:56.700 responsibility and, and point the finger and blame. Um, and that's not what we're about. Um,

00:07:03.780 in order, man, that's not what we're about in the iron council. It's about getting on the court and

00:07:07.180 making a difference. And so if you guys are tired of being spectators and you feel like you're

00:07:12.520 complaining about a bunch of stuff, I would challenge you. What are you doing about it?

00:07:17.440 And if you're not doing anything about it, then band with us, join us in the iron council or join

00:07:22.360 us at least in the Facebook group and start banning with us and start perpetuating or pushing out,

00:07:28.040 uh, the message of sovereignty, um, which is really the message of ownership, you know, and,

00:07:34.620 and taking back your lives and, and, um, taking control of how things are. So anyway,

00:07:40.800 I agree. And as you say that, if you, if you're listening to this thinking, well,

00:07:44.740 what is sovereignty? What does that mean? Read the book, get the book. Yeah. Read it. It'll,

00:07:48.680 it'll clear up a lot for you. Yeah. And you can get that book. I think you can maybe get some

00:07:53.300 signed copies at the store. Once again, store.orderman.com. All right, Sean, you're

00:07:57.840 ready to jump into these questions. So I'll read these off since, uh, there's a tradition of me

00:08:02.160 slaughtering names. No, no sense of throwing you under the bus because I know you obviously would

00:08:07.820 never pronounce the name incorrectly. Um, but Ryan likes to continually make me look bad. So I'll,

00:08:14.260 I'll keep reading questions. So, and then we'll go with it. Sound good. Sounds great. All right. I

00:08:19.760 got my caffeine. I'm ready. So Jonathan Smulders, what are your thoughts on prepping and self

00:08:25.840 sustainability, particularly food and water storage, growing your own food, hunting and

00:08:30.340 et cetera. How do you find the line between being reasonably prepared, being obsessively paranoid?

00:08:37.080 So how do you not become the guy right in the neighborhood, the prepper, which I'm sorry. I know

00:08:45.240 you're supposed to answer these first. I find it interesting to be right. Because that guy's only

00:08:49.620 that guy until, until shit hits the fan and then he's like a genius. Right. So, but anyhow, go ahead.

00:08:57.420 But I, you know, for me, this has evolved even over the last few years, say like five or six years as

00:09:05.340 I got into hunting. Um, cause I didn't grow up hunting or doing any of that, but wanting to,

00:09:10.640 and this is obviously like five, six years ago, started watching, um, uh, all the, I guess you

00:09:17.140 could say like vegan things on Netflix, like food ink and you know, all of these that's kind of the

00:09:23.840 documentaries around, you know, or the meat eaters one where you're supposed to watch it and feel

00:09:28.680 like you feel bad, like you shouldn't eat meat anymore. Yeah. And they're, and they're more like

00:09:34.300 just talking about, you know, just how bad our food is. And, and, um, and I think most of them are

00:09:40.040 trying to sway you to be vegan, but I, I got that. I just wanted to source more of my food, know where

00:09:45.760 it was coming from and started asking about hunting and other things and had a friend who got me into

00:09:50.660 bow hunting. And then, um, you know, kind of along the same time, it was looking at every aspect.

00:09:56.340 So since then we, we built a garden, you know, on our property, we started hunting, started doing

00:10:02.780 some of those things. Um, we already had a bunch of food, uh, storage, uh, that we had in for my wife

00:10:10.340 and my daughter have, uh, my, my wife has lupus and my daughter has autoimmune issues as well. Um,

00:10:18.540 and some sensory processing stuff. And so they, everything they have can't have gluten in it.

00:10:23.440 And so our food storage is, you know, is we had to choose that wisely. Uh, so we went through that

00:10:29.880 process and we have at least a year. Um, and then our water, we have, holy smokes, about 150 gallons,

00:10:39.480 uh, is what we keep in rotation. Um, and then, uh, then we have a generator backup and those sorts of

00:10:48.060 things. So it's ours is really fundamental, but it's more than most, I think, but it's also been

00:10:53.680 built up over the last five, six years. You know, we're now our, I have a couple of freezers. Those

00:10:58.800 are full of meat that we've harvested either myself or my sons. Um, and it's, uh, it's really

00:11:06.300 changed over the last few years, but I can tell you over that five, six years, I've never felt more

00:11:09.980 confident, especially through the pandemic. You know, we didn't need toilet paper. We didn't need

00:11:13.800 water. We didn't need food. We didn't have, we didn't worry about going to the store. Literally.

00:11:18.140 We didn't go to the store at all. I think when people were scared in the very beginning, really

00:11:22.040 scared, we didn't go anywhere for, I think two, three weeks. We just didn't have to.

00:11:28.980 Yeah. Well, and how, you know, and this is a whole other debatable thing around, you know,

00:11:34.560 did that toll of, of COVID and how serious, but let's imagine it was like really bad. Like,

00:11:40.040 I don't know, 50% fatality rate. And would you go to the store? You know what I mean? And how many

00:11:48.280 of us would be able to survive without going to the store and knowing that like going to the store

00:11:52.320 meant you might die, right? Like, yeah, that's legit, man. I, um, I have to ask this question

00:11:57.820 really from my own personal perspective. What are you using for, for water storage? The, the white one

00:12:03.120 with the metal frame, like those big square ones, what are you using for, you know, we, we started,

00:12:08.980 no, we started with these big, um, 50 gallon drums, like the blue ones. We started with that

00:12:16.480 on the bottom or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. We still have those, but we honestly, it's, we have, um,

00:12:23.020 Arrowhead, you know, which I think is owned by Nestle now. And the, those five gallon bottles,

00:12:27.920 they make racks for them. A lot of people don't know. And all you have to do is call and ask.

00:12:31.740 And so it, it lays them sideways and you can stack them. So I have a block stack on one of the walls

00:12:37.500 in my garage of, you know, 30 of those, 30 of those bottles, you know, they're nice. Cause it's

00:12:42.980 easy. You can rotate them. They stay for it. You know, all that stuff. Yeah, totally. Well,

00:12:46.640 the other thing to consider too. So, but we're not even asking Johnson's and they travel, we'll get,

00:12:51.780 what do you get to your question in a second? But after Katrina, I actually shifted my opinion

00:12:56.980 about food storage quite a bit. So, you know, back in the day when I was a kid, food storage was canned

00:13:02.760 food, right? You would have all these canned foods and people that was really organized would have

00:13:07.840 this cool little cycling thing where you grab the can in the front and you drop the old, the new cans

00:13:12.000 in the back. And you know, you have this system. And then after Katrina, you're like, that didn't work

00:13:18.980 because their entire basement's underwater. What are you going to load up like 500 cans of food in a

00:13:25.180 backpack? Like that's not going to work either. And so I kind of shifted my opinion about food storage

00:13:29.960 from heavy and short-term cans to like, actually I'm going dry pack light food. So I could actually

00:13:39.380 load it up, throw it in a truck and, and take off. And, and I kind of like, and to, to the point

00:13:45.900 with your water approach, the nice part about that, you could load that up, right? Like you could take

00:13:51.740 half of it or all of it really, and load it up in your truck versus those, you know, which ones I'm

00:13:56.580 talking about, right? I, my apologies guys for the ignorance here, but there's those giant ones

00:14:01.840 that are like, Oh yeah. Like 250 gallon and they have a white frame. Those are cool. You're not

00:14:08.820 loading those anywhere, right? They don't move anywhere. Yeah. They're not moving. They're

00:14:12.020 sticking on the side of your house. And so it might make sense to have those, but I like what you're

00:14:16.060 doing in the sense of there's some portability to it in the event that you needed to. So, but back to

00:14:21.740 Jonathan's question, how, where's the line, where's the line, Sean, from your perspective

00:14:27.760 in regards to being prepared versus being obsessed and paranoid? I mean, I think if you're really want

00:14:34.620 to know that line, just check out that show preppers because I mean, that's compare yourself

00:14:39.580 to those guys. When you start digging a hole under your house and, you know, you put a HEPA filter in

00:14:45.700 it and all these things to, you know, literally self-sustain and, and a nuclear Holocaust, you know,

00:14:51.480 then that that's that. And like you said, it, people could say that's past the line,

00:14:58.500 unless that happens. Right. Unless there's like a nuclear fallout and then you're the guy like

00:15:02.980 Cloverfield. Right. And that, I don't know if you've seen that, like the, like, you know,

00:15:07.060 the guy who seems like he's psycho, but he's the one guy surviving when actually a better reference

00:15:13.500 is Encino man, Encino man. Remember like, uh, like, uh, they kept him in the basement when he was a

00:15:21.400 little kid and he came out and he was like, he thought it was the fifties. Is that right?

00:15:24.900 Encino man? It's not Encino man. That's a same guy though. Same guy. I know what you're talking

00:15:31.820 about. It's super blast to the past. Is that it? Something like, I know what you're talking about

00:15:38.840 though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And his parents just like raising and they stayed in their bunker

00:15:44.340 until he was like an adult kind of thing. Right. Yeah. It's super funny. Well, I think here's,

00:15:49.640 here's the all joking aside, Jonathan, I think the line is, do you stop living in the moment?

00:15:57.600 Right. Like I think that's, and we could probably use that line to determine a whole lot of things,

00:16:04.340 right? When, if you're, when you're going overboard on anything, the question is, is, are, have you,

00:16:10.580 are you forgetting to enjoy life? Um, and I think if you're doing that because you're so paranoid about

00:16:17.580 preparing for a disaster in the future, you got a problem. Maybe that's the line.

00:16:22.800 Yeah. You know, and, and you have to think through it too. Like there's, I know I have a bunch of gas

00:16:27.120 and I have a trailer, you know, that has a gas pump on it. So like the plan is to hook up to that,

00:16:33.100 take off, take some of the gas cans that we have, and we would probably leave. Like we have a place to

00:16:38.400 go to now, you know, that, that we didn't use to, but we do now. And, and, but a lot could happen

00:16:43.420 in between, you know, it's, we're not necessarily going to hunker down here. So there's a lot of

00:16:47.900 different things to think about, but I think what you said is true. You, I think it's worse

00:16:52.820 that people procrastinate. They tend to put it off and then they don't have anything when they need

00:16:56.900 it, you know, but then, like you said, just put yourself in a position where you're confident

00:17:01.680 that you could go at least a month. Yeah. Um, so that you can feel that confidence, but you know,

00:17:07.820 if you get obsessed beyond that, where it's making like, you're scared all the time, I think

00:17:13.660 there's a problem. Yeah, for sure. Here's last example. We move on to the next question. Um,

00:17:20.660 yeah. And once again, it's like, what, let me just say this often during the week, when we record

00:17:26.220 these, I, I walk away going, I need to not maybe share too many personal things. You know what I mean?

00:17:34.000 In fear of who listens. Um, so, so mom, if you're listening, uh, don't take this personal.

00:17:42.080 I actually think that so much of our lives, including how we react to how we're parented

00:17:49.360 is sometimes outside of the control of the parent, right? It's, you don't know what your kids are

00:17:54.360 going to latch onto and what they're going to use as defining moments or, you know what I mean? Or

00:17:58.400 what perspectives they're going to create, whether you intended that or not. So with that disclaimer,

00:18:02.900 when I was a kid, um, for like Bible study or whatever, we would, my mom, we got in, in this

00:18:11.320 phase of time, we were constantly reading books about the second coming, right? Like the, the,

00:18:17.700 the books were like, you know, and the moon shall turn the blood. Right. And then like,

00:18:21.820 after we finished that book, the next book was about, you know, fire and brimstone, you know,

00:18:27.400 like, and it was these books, no joke. I'm like sixth grade. And I remember being depressed

00:18:33.580 thinking I'm never going to grow up. I'm never going to get a chance to get married and have kids

00:18:39.460 like the world by then. Yeah. And I was like, seriously, it kind of like mess with me quite a

00:18:46.120 bit. There you go. You don't want to be that person that you're just so like diswrought and sad about the

00:18:55.140 future because you've over, cause you're not living in the present. Right. And, and for me,

00:19:01.040 like that was like a negative thing for me as a kid, I was like actually quite depressed about it.

00:19:05.960 Now in the same breath, you know, maybe it helped me appreciate what I did have when I realized that

00:19:10.840 the world wasn't going to end, you know, in, by the time I got into high school, you know, so

00:19:15.040 you never know, I guess. So, all right. Next question, Jason Curtis.

00:19:19.600 Um, we're going to Sean, what is the best single piece of advice you have ever received?

00:19:27.160 Thanks for everything you guys do. Kip continue to, uh, that everything you and Kip continue to do.

00:19:32.160 So best advice you've ever received single piece, best advice. Oh my goodness. I don't even know how

00:19:39.060 we should have prepped this. I mean, honestly, I'll take it from a marriage standpoint because I think

00:19:48.500 in our, in our homes, right. It's in protecting, providing, presiding, uh, and as a husband and

00:19:57.240 father, I think the best advice I ever got was she happy, me happy from one of my mentors. And it,

00:20:04.400 it, it put me in a position where I really, instead of being selfish and, and focusing on what I wanted

00:20:12.760 and, and what I wanted my wife to do to make our lives better, made me focus on getting better.

00:20:19.820 Yeah. And, um, you know, without going over the line of just awaiting her beck and call. Right. But,

00:20:27.120 um, you know, putting us in a position where I made that of most importance in our lives. And

00:20:34.540 that's trickled into me being a better father leader in my business and my community and everything

00:20:39.700 else. So I would say that would probably be the most valuable one to this point. I can't, the best

00:20:49.300 advice I struggle with giving this because it's complex or I, at least it is complex in my mind.

00:20:55.600 Maybe it's not complex once I explain it. Um, but let me do my best. The best advice I ever got

00:21:02.320 was the power of choice in regards to relationships. And the, the best example I can give to this is,

00:21:14.020 um, let me preface this by saying, I actually think that most people, if they haven't addressed it,

00:21:21.240 probably have somewhat of a, an incomplete relationship with their parents. Um, especially

00:21:28.700 in the climate that of our generation, especially with boys and fathers, there's, there's so many

00:21:35.200 broken relationships. And, and so this probably that ends up being the best example. And what I would

00:21:42.880 challenge, um, or what this advice really was is why, and so I'll just use maybe my dad as an example.

00:21:52.100 Why do I love my dad? And, and when I, at first glance, right, when that question gets answered or

00:21:59.500 a question, the question gets placed, you know, to us or asked of us, our immediate result is to come

00:22:06.800 up with the reasons why, right? It's like, why do you love your dad? Well, because, uh, he's a hard

00:22:11.520 worker, um, because, um, he's considerate because he's this, because he's that. But for some of us,

00:22:20.160 the answer could also be, why don't you love your dad? Right. And it's the same thing. It's a laundry

00:22:26.180 list and how powerful it is to actually realize that you have a choice in that matter. And that I could

00:22:35.980 actually love my dad, not because of any of those things, but strictly because I choose to.

00:22:43.060 And that there's a level of accepting people for exactly the way they are without any pretense

00:22:50.020 to actually love someone because you choose to love them in spite of their faults. And, and,

00:22:57.980 and that's a really, really, at least for me, that's a very, very powerful way to look at relationships.

00:23:03.020 Certainly when we talk about people that we're committed to like our wives or our family members,

00:23:09.140 because the reality of it is, is sometimes we get locked up in, in the reasons of why we love people.

00:23:15.960 And then what happens when they change? What happens, Sean, when someone doesn't have a good

00:23:23.660 reason to love their dad, that, that they don't have a good reason to love their mom,

00:23:29.460 that you can actually still choose to accept them exactly the way they are and actually choose to love

00:23:34.780 them because you choose to. And that was probably one of the most profound, um, probably advice I've

00:23:42.120 ever gotten. And, and it really allows me to focus on letting go of expectations as well as quote,

00:23:49.460 unquote reasons, and actually see people for who they are in the moment, uh, and have some humanity

00:23:55.760 around those relationships. Does that make sense? It makes perfect sense. It relieves a lot of weight

00:24:01.420 as well. As you were saying it, I thought of a book that I read, one of my favorite books,

00:24:05.280 I've recommended people all the time. It's called standing for something by a guy named Gordon B.

00:24:08.740 Hinckley. And, um, talks about the 10 virtues is what he calls it that can heal our hearts and homes.

00:24:14.620 And, uh, inside of that forgiveness is one love is one, you know, I mean, there's a, there's a laundry list

00:24:20.380 work, you know, uh, providence, that kind of stuff. Um, you know, but he talks a lot about forgiveness,

00:24:26.060 you know, like you're talking about, about love, uh, uh, just, uh, there's a, again, there's 10 of

00:24:32.080 them, you know, but that's what I think of is, is that that was an advice I got, but that's one of

00:24:36.260 the best books I've read and, and kind of calling me out on, on shortcomings I had and helping me

00:24:43.500 understand how I could make my life better. You know, it's been a while since I've read that book.

00:24:48.020 I need to actually need, I should probably read that again, actually. It's right in line with

00:24:51.900 what you just said though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Jonathan's Mulders, Jonathan, that's two

00:24:56.560 questions. Dick, if I'd known that I would have skipped your first question. Uh, this is a good

00:25:02.280 one. So I want, I want to read it. So thoughts on Facebook's metaverse project and the idea of

00:25:07.500 virtual or augmented reality technology being incorporated into daily internet use beyond

00:25:12.200 gaming with screens already having a negative effect on our ability to present, connect with the

00:25:17.660 real world, making our daily internet use more immersive seems like it would only exact exacerbate

00:25:23.580 these issues. Your thoughts, Sean. You know, I, I, I just think of the movie ready player one.

00:25:33.140 If you've seen that. Yeah. And, uh, when I, when I watched it and then now with meta coming out,

00:25:39.720 it's, I mean, I just linked directly to that in the thought process of that and what that might be like.

00:25:45.500 And I think it's kind of inevitable at this point where we're already headed there. Uh, we were just

00:25:51.880 in Texas visiting and we went to this place. It was like a, you know, it was a game place. It was,

00:25:59.400 it was like an arcade. And I thought of arcades when I was a kid, they actually had an old frogger in

00:26:03.700 there. Right. And I was like, nice, you know, this is, this is kind of funny. I played pinball and

00:26:08.480 that stuff. But then we also played the, the VR games and it was unreal how those things are,

00:26:15.460 how real they seem, how you feel like you're going, you know, falling off of stuff and whatever

00:26:20.520 else. Yeah. And, um, and I just thought, well, this is where we're headed, whether we like it or

00:26:25.780 not. Um, you know, the only thing that scares me is that people spend more time. They enjoy that

00:26:32.880 better than their real life. And so I think it kind of depends on your viewpoint of it. Some people

00:26:39.300 would say, well, this is real life because you're still interacting with people. You know, it's a

00:26:43.460 place maybe where you'll do some things. You'll have a little more courage to try things because

00:26:47.680 you're not seeing them face to face. And, um, the consequence is different, but I think there's

00:26:53.680 dangers in that too. So, I mean, I'm not totally a hundred percent sure what to think of it at this

00:27:00.420 point, but I do think it's going to be an inevitable part of how we live our lives. Just

00:27:04.860 like our cell phones, we couldn't have imagined. Yeah. You know, to 20 years ago,

00:27:09.900 it was only 20 years ago. Um, you know, till now. Yeah. I, I find, you know, to your point,

00:27:19.320 you know, I, I remember the first time I was playing on a VR headset and it was, it was a stupid

00:27:25.780 plank game. Like we've all heard of these, like, you know, you walk on the plank and you jump off.

00:27:31.540 And I remember I was sitting in a room, this is in the early days, like almost like, I don't know,

00:27:36.380 five, maybe five years ago or something. And someone had the VR headset and they were projecting

00:27:41.220 what they saw on the screen and it looks fake, right? Like it doesn't look real. It's, it's obviously

00:27:48.040 like cartoon playing cartoon elevator. And the game was you'd get an elevator, you go up to like

00:27:53.240 a 50th floor, the elevator doors open. There's a plank and you walk out in the plank

00:27:57.560 and then you're supposed to jump off the plank. And people are like, I'll freaking out. Oh my gosh,

00:28:03.340 this is so crazy. You know, whatever. And I'm looking at the screen. I'm like, that looks fake.

00:28:06.380 Like this is stupid. And, and I, I didn't think much of it. And I was like, Oh, let me try this.

00:28:11.100 So I get on, I go up the damn elevator door opens. I see the plank, my heart heart rate skyrockets.

00:28:18.300 Wow. And I logically think in my mind, this is fake. I could build a carpet underneath my feet

00:28:27.180 in this conference room. I know it's not a real plank, but yet my, my mind or my instincts,

00:28:35.900 I should say probably are like, you're in danger, right? My heart rate, like it was a mind, like

00:28:43.180 Afro. I don't know what you want to call it. Like it was, it was really, really interesting.

00:28:48.060 And, and I think we have to consider the fact that, yeah, it's a game, Sean. It's not a big deal,

00:28:52.300 but part of your mind doesn't know that, right? Part of your instincts thinks it is real. Otherwise

00:28:57.900 there wouldn't be a massive dopamine dump. There wouldn't be excitement. There wouldn't be all

00:29:02.540 these things that make it appealing. If, if your body didn't think that there was some form of

00:29:09.180 reality in it. Right. So it's so interesting, but I think it's just like everything else, right? Like

00:29:14.280 these cell phones, man, these little squares are amazing and it could be used for greatness and it

00:29:20.440 could be used for evil. And I think, I think it's the same thing, right? I think, cause there are,

00:29:27.460 there are studies like where they're using virtual reality to address PTSD that, or psychology,

00:29:33.980 uh, or, uh, depression and other scenarios. So is there some good that could come up? Probably,

00:29:40.300 but is there some negative? Oh yeah. Right. And, and I think in a, in a world where

00:29:46.280 the deep and kind of, and maybe this is the theme of this call, um, cause we kind of started off with

00:29:52.320 it earlier, but like in the climate of this world being overly victim hoods, probably escaping reality

00:30:00.580 and hopping into virtual environment is probably not what we need more than toughening up and dealing

00:30:08.500 in reality. Right. The, the last thing we probably need is more escape scenarios to get away from,

00:30:14.560 you know, the quote unquote heartaches of life that are probably not heartaches. Let's be frank,

00:30:21.260 you know? And, and, and when I watched the, like the intro video from Zuckerberg, you know,

00:30:27.860 when he's talking about, well, you can escape scenarios so you can, you know, not be triggered

00:30:33.240 or what I'm like, really like that's the solution or, or should the solution be, Hey, how do I deal

00:30:40.160 with uncomfortable circumstances? How do I deal with my anger? How do I deal with frustration? How do I

00:30:47.180 deal with other humans versus, Oh, they make me upset. Thus they must be wrong. And let me now go

00:30:53.360 escape in some augmented reality instead of dealing with truth and reality. You know what I mean? I

00:31:00.520 just, I don't know. I don't think it's what we probably need, but I agree with you. I don't think

00:31:04.780 it's going away. Right. Like I don't, I think this is going to, this is going to happen anyway. The

00:31:10.240 question is, is how do we use the tool? Right. Yeah. And I think that's the important part. It's,

00:31:15.580 it's kind of like a, as you were talking, I thought of opioids, right. When they came out with,

00:31:20.540 with like Oxycontin and Oh man, this is great. It's, it works so much better for pain and,

00:31:25.500 you know, people have a better time through these surgeries and whatever else, you know,

00:31:29.320 now that it's an epidemic of these people that are hooked, you know, it's one of the worst problems

00:31:34.940 in our country, as far as drugs are concerned is opioids. In fact, I just read a study yesterday

00:31:40.220 that's now the number one killer for people between the ages of 18 and 35, I think.

00:31:46.940 And it's, I mean, and it was a quote unquote, easier, better, faster solution, right. To the

00:31:54.260 problem of pain. And so it's created a whole new problem. And I think there's going to be problems

00:31:58.840 created. And like you said, there's going to be some good things created too. It's just going to

00:32:03.680 be important. I think for us to be anchored in reality so that we could decipher through the good

00:32:11.200 and the bad. Yeah. And, and, and our approach to COVID-19 is actually a perfect example of it.

00:32:17.520 Give me one, maybe there is, but, but the overall, I I've seen zero communication or promotion from

00:32:26.660 government officials or from the CDC that, Hey, by the way, this is probably a really good time

00:32:32.220 to get your health in check and to be healthier and do the more difficult thing because this

00:32:39.740 people may not like this. Guess what? If you're overweight, you are at higher risk of dying.

00:32:47.420 So suck it up. And you know what? You should probably get in better shape as a long-term strategy,

00:32:53.600 but you don't hear that, right? It's been almost two years. How many people have lost weight and

00:33:00.840 are in better shape because COVID was like, Hey, you know what? This thing's dangerous. And by the

00:33:05.080 way, I was reading something just the other day, the more obese you are increases your chances of

00:33:12.900 major complications from COVID. So if you're 50 pounds overweight versus a hundred pounds, the a hundred

00:33:17.900 pound individual has a higher risk. Like, so even losing partial weight and not being as obese could

00:33:25.680 actually highly benefit you, but yet no one talks about that. Why? Cause it's the hard thing to do,

00:33:30.640 right? Give me the easy pill, Sean. Give me the easy way out because God forbid we actually deal with

00:33:37.040 like the actual issue, right? Or something bigger. Everything has to be a fix. You know, it's a good

00:33:43.960 example. I was jujitsu hurt my wrist. This is probably like 10 years ago. Went to the doctor

00:33:49.800 did his x-ray and everything. He's like, you're fine. I think we just tore some tenons or whatever.

00:33:55.180 And I'm like, nothing we can do. And he's like, no, he's like, what's give you a, what's the shot

00:34:00.580 on it? Cortezone, right? Cortezone. Yeah. Let me give you that shot and it'll take away the pain.

00:34:08.880 You should be solid. And I'm like, well, hold on. So I won't feel the pain. And he's like, no

00:34:14.360 for about six months or so. I'm like, that's awesome. I go, is it going to like help heal

00:34:21.640 it better? And he's like, no, no, no. Just takes away the pain. And I'm like, yeah, but if I keep

00:34:26.760 training and I don't feel that pain in six months, it's probably going to be worse, right? Yeah. It's

00:34:33.720 going to be worse if you keep training. I'm like, yeah, yeah. Let me feel the pain. I'm okay with

00:34:39.860 that, right? Let me adjust. Let me train differently and let me know that I have an injury so I can

00:34:47.360 actually react appropriately and not make it worse, right? And it's like Ryan uses that analogy of the

00:34:54.540 gauges on your truck, right? It's like when the warning sign comes on, you don't go, ah, you know,

00:35:01.780 just turn that off, right? No, you're like, oh, I need to do something, right? So we want those

00:35:06.380 gauges. We want those little warning signs saying, hey, you know, rise up. And most difficult

00:35:12.480 situations are somewhat of an example of those warning signs on our gauges saying, hey, you need

00:35:18.400 to check the tire pressure or check the oil or whatever, or get gas. And we shouldn't ignore them,

00:35:26.000 but I don't know. Maybe I'm not holding on this too much. It's yeah, probably, but I agree.

00:35:30.240 It's true though. It's a good hole to go down.

00:35:35.300 All right. Carrick. Oh man. See, this is when you should be actually. Yeah. Carrick,

00:35:43.420 you know your last name. Carrick, alphabet M. I'm currently working in law enforcement and I

00:35:48.780 have found a lot of success. However, I want to move into a field where I can be my own boss

00:35:53.140 and have decided to open a gym with the hopes of expanding into my own jujitsu academy. When I get

00:35:58.880 my black belt, I'm in the process of interviewing local gym owners and management to learn where

00:36:04.280 they fell short and succeeded and et cetera. What are some other questions you would ask them during

00:36:08.780 this process? And what are some words of advice you may have going forward? Good question.

00:36:14.760 I would start with the business questions. And I think that's most people, I don't know if you've

00:36:23.100 ever read. Like accounting like stuff or what? Accounting as part of it, but just business in

00:36:32.100 general. Yeah. Maybe the accounting side of balance sheets and how those work, how they bill,

00:36:38.940 what works, what doesn't. Marketing, those sorts of things. I think that's overlooked. Most people

00:36:46.920 are looking for, how do you train? What do you teach? What do you kind of, there's a couple of

00:36:53.120 books that come to mind. I always go to books because it's where I'd learn most of my stuff in

00:36:57.240 business. I don't know if you're familiar. You're probably familiar with Rich Dad, Poor Dad by Robert

00:37:01.980 Kiyosaki. But his Cashflow Quadrant, the second book, the follow-up book to that is fantastic for

00:37:08.300 understanding what quadrant you're in. Most people that do what he's doing are going from the employee

00:37:14.380 quadrant to self-employed and they're not running, they're working. And then another book that comes

00:37:19.700 to mind is The E-Myth by Michael Gerber. I was going to suggest that one. Yeah.

00:37:23.460 Yeah. And too many people work in their business, not on their business. And so my advice would be to

00:37:30.300 try and work on the front end more on your business and understanding the business aspect,

00:37:35.960 your systems that you have in place for your teaching, your billing, your accounting, all of

00:37:41.660 that stuff. Work on the systems first and then work on the training aspect, the personality side.

00:37:50.380 And I think most people start with their personality, the training, just trying to get more people

00:37:58.260 in their quote unquote success of growth in that way. And they overlook the business side and that's

00:38:06.060 what buries most of them. Yeah. I totally agree. The only thing I'd add is I had a buddy of mine that

00:38:16.460 wanted to open a martial arts gym for a long time. And Carrick, I don't know if you're thinking the same

00:38:24.140 thing, but I think you can use this analogy multiple ways. But he was so set on, I need a brick and

00:38:33.100 mortar gym and I need this business plan. I need this big loan. And I have to have this whole thing

00:38:40.560 done first and then have students. And it goes back to minimal viable product. If you want to test a

00:38:49.260 market, as an example, maybe, let's say you're thinking about opening a gym in a particular

00:38:56.820 regional area, go to the rec center and sign up to teach classes at the rec center around fitness

00:39:05.080 first. Validate that you have a client base in that area. Get five clients first, right? If you're

00:39:11.780 open to martial arts again, I've seen gym owners originally like rent gym space in an actual gym,

00:39:20.360 lay down their mats before class and have a class and confirm that you even have a client base in

00:39:25.940 that region or in that location that there's even a need for. So try not to get wrapped up in this

00:39:31.200 whole, like, I have to have this brick and mortar school. I have to have all these things in place

00:39:35.460 and get major debt to be able to, like, then have a gym. There are strategies and ways that you can

00:39:42.400 pull it off, right? And it's everything from you subleasing an area and teaching privates to you

00:39:48.780 working at another gym first as a trainer so you can, you know, learn the ropes and see what works.

00:39:55.420 Like, there's a lot of different ways that you can have that minimal viable product. So I would

00:39:59.220 investigate that and make sure that you're not wrapped up in this idea that you have to have this

00:40:03.740 picture-perfect scenario before you can actually start business. And I would argue that do it now.

00:40:11.720 Like, I know you're in law enforcement, but start now. Like, start figuring that out now. Not

00:40:15.940 studying and coming up with paper, like, actually get in the market and actually start working at a gym

00:40:20.860 or start doing privates or whatever you need to do to start working now. Anything else you'd add,

00:40:27.180 Sean? No. That's right. Because that was some good, no, I'm just joking. Real good. Yeah.

00:40:33.640 All right. Scott, Luchin, Bill, a component of protecting your family is the ability to take

00:40:40.160 care of them medically in an emergency. Aside from standard CPR training, what other emergency

00:40:46.120 medical training would you recommend one should know? Are there any courses or programs you would

00:40:51.200 suggest? Oh, I think everybody should know basic CPR, right? I mean, that's a major one.

00:40:59.720 Um, and tourniquet application and have them access to one. Um, I think those are the majors that

00:41:10.520 personally, um, yeah. CPR, how to keep someone's heart going, stop bleeding, stop bleeding on the major

00:41:20.720 end of things. Uh, and, um, maybe into splinting, but that's, I think secondary still, I think it's

00:41:32.160 easy to rabbit hole this one and get over complicated and too in depth. Personally. I think

00:41:37.560 if you're proficient in CPR and tourniquets, I think that's a great base and you can feel confident in

00:41:46.760 that. Yeah. And Scott, if you're looking to take this step further, dude, there's tons of options,

00:41:51.220 right? Asia, my wife and I, we felt like we lacked in this area. Um, so we took, um,

00:42:00.260 oh my goodness. What's the freaking term, uh, EMT training six months. Um, we had classes two,

00:42:09.940 two hour classes a week for six months. And I mean, the amount of data you learn that's going

00:42:17.520 in trying to become an EMT is actually like crazy. It was actually really fun. It was funny to be in

00:42:24.400 the class, right? Because they're like, the teacher had everyone introduce themselves. Like,

00:42:28.180 why are they here? Oh, I'm becoming a firefighter or I want to become a paramedic. And, and we're like,

00:42:33.180 we're just here to learn, you know, but it was, it was super cool. And so, I mean, Scott, I mean,

00:42:42.620 if you want sign up for EMT training or the other thing that you might want to consider is

00:42:48.080 emergency first responder training. Uh, a lot of, um, junior colleges and cities actually offer like

00:42:56.920 first responder training. It's not as in depth as EMT, but it's like, you know, emergency response,

00:43:02.860 like in the moment, you know, and there's even wilderness versions of those, which are super

00:43:06.940 cool. Um, so I, I would hop on and, and, and dive into those. So, but I agree like from a first

00:43:14.180 glance perspective, right. It's about oxygen flow right to the brain, which is really through the

00:43:20.800 heart, right. Uh, airway and stop bleeding, right. Those are all, you know, kind of the three things

00:43:27.340 that are constantly the focal point. So. Yeah. Let me ask you this. How many,

00:43:32.540 how many scenarios did they talk about that you'd never thought of before? Oh my gosh. Of course.

00:43:38.240 Crazy. Yeah. Crazy. Like you didn't even know it could happen to people. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And

00:43:44.680 it was kind of funny though. Like I really do feel Sean that, um, they give you a lot of information,

00:43:51.780 right. But the treatment for everything is kind of like the same process, right? Like same base.

00:43:58.200 Yeah. Same assessment process. Yeah. Like the assessment process is exactly, almost exactly the

00:44:03.880 same. And, and you dive into a lot of even, uh, what certain drugs use for what or whatever, but

00:44:09.960 most of the assessment process is kind of the same, right. And you're checking the same things

00:44:15.160 every single time. Check for breath, check for pulse. Yep. Yep. Yep. Exactly. So, um, but it was,

00:44:21.460 in fact, I've even thought about going through again, just as a precursor. And in fact, we even

00:44:27.440 thought about, um, volunteering in like a small town or something. Um, so we can, can do right

00:44:36.800 alongs and, and just kind of get more experience as part of the process. So, uh, there's a lot,

00:44:42.100 there's lots of options. Yeah. You can take, I did a course with some Navy SEALs. There's like,

00:44:46.400 they have these tactical courses you can take and they're, they're kind of like, like you said,

00:44:49.960 maybe wilderness driven, uh, you know, whatever emergency type things where you'll learn different

00:44:56.400 things, how to shoot, how to, you know, take care of, of wound care assessment, you know,

00:45:02.000 in, in bad situations. And there's, those courses are out there. I mean, typically, you know,

00:45:07.080 but obviously you gotta have the money and the time to go do them, but you could go to like a three

00:45:11.500 or four day course like that. And the base you'll build in those three or four days is substantial.

00:45:16.840 Yeah. Yeah, for sure. All right. Jared Lawrence. Um, how do you, um, how do you find the difference

00:45:24.100 between contentment and complacency? My employer wants to promote me and I'm hesitant because I

00:45:29.420 really enjoy my current position. I feel like I would excel at the higher position and would make

00:45:33.800 a lot more, but it's a lot more responsibility could potentially take time away from family church

00:45:39.440 hobbies that I enjoy, et cetera. Trying to decide if I'm reluctant just because I am comfortable.

00:45:46.200 This, uh, I, I actually saw this question and then I, I, somebody answered that question.

00:45:52.160 Yeah. Well, no, it wasn't added. I, what actually stood out to me is somebody answered it in there

00:45:57.280 and they said, Oh no, it's not that it's neither one. It's just, you know, maybe your, your priorities,

00:46:02.380 you know, or, or what you're looking at. And, and so like my answer would be, it depends on what you

00:46:08.480 want, you know, and for some people, they just want that nine to five. They want to have their time.

00:46:14.380 They want to watch their football. They want to have like that quote unquote balance and they feel

00:46:19.240 good about that. And I'm not saying it's good or bad or wrong or anything else. Um, but for me

00:46:24.620 personally, I look at contentment and complacency as the same thing because I'm every day looking at

00:46:33.280 what more can I do to achieve my purpose? You know, and for me, my purpose has been to serve people,

00:46:42.180 to make a positive impact in people's lives. And, um, you know, we were, we were doing a family night

00:46:48.340 last night and we were going through, um, you know, in our church, there's something called the family,

00:46:54.360 the proclamation of the world. And we were going through that and we were looking at it. And at

00:46:57.400 the end, it says, I have it right here, actually. Um, it says, we call upon responsible citizens and

00:47:03.540 officers of government everywhere to promote these measures designed to maintain and strengthen the

00:47:07.960 family as the fundamental, fundamental unit of society. And so we had this conversation with our

00:47:14.080 kids that every business we have is a means to that end. So everything we do, like I have a

00:47:21.740 financial services businesses, it's our goal for that is to help and serve families, right? We have

00:47:27.700 this motto we call no family left behind, um, for that. Um, we have another company, uh, um, called

00:47:35.080 happy and strong where that's it's coaching for couples to help them find this balance that we're

00:47:41.340 talking about, right. And how to manage it. Um, we, we have, my wife just wrote a book, you know,

00:47:48.080 with that end in mind. And all of these sayings are now we don't have to do any of it. And, you

00:47:54.280 know, as I say this stuff and I'm not saying this to brag or anything, I don't want people to take

00:47:57.960 this wrong way, but like, I've been in a position where, you know, we make seven figures and have

00:48:02.760 been making seven figures since I was like 30 years old. Right. I'm 44 now. And so financially,

00:48:08.800 we've been financially independent for a long time. Um, but that's not for me enough because it's not a

00:48:16.540 money thing. It's not, and we have these other businesses. Are they going to make us a lot of

00:48:21.000 money? Do they make us money? Yeah. In most people's opinions, they make us a massive amount

00:48:25.400 of money, but we didn't start them. We don't do them to make the money. It's to serve people and

00:48:31.600 help them. And all it did was create extra work for me. And I found myself in a, in a plateau a few

00:48:37.340 years ago. That's how I actually came across the IC and order a man and, and, you know, ended up

00:48:44.140 meeting Ryan and talking to him as I got involved in the IC and it landed me here, um, for the

00:48:50.460 intention of wanting to serve the mission of reclaiming and restoring masculinity. Cause I,

00:48:56.840 I feel strongly enough of about the importance of that in our homes and in our communities

00:49:02.640 to be involved. And somehow it landed me here. Right. But it's those intention. If I had just stayed,

00:49:09.260 you know, a couple of years ago on that plateau, would I be fine? Would I be happy? Yes. But in the

00:49:16.420 back of my mind, there'd be this inkling of, I know I can do more. And the way I figured that out

00:49:21.340 for myself is I felt like I was just going through the motions. That makes sense. And so anytime I find

00:49:27.280 myself just going through the motions, showing up, waking up and being like, okay, did today feels

00:49:32.580 like yesterday, personally, I've, I've made myself feel like I'm doing something wrong. Right. And I

00:49:39.160 have this motto I've, I've, I've built into myself through affirmations that I, I do hard things first

00:49:47.340 and I'm the first to do hard things. It's one of the things that I tell myself every day. And so if I

00:49:52.780 don't find myself doing hard things, getting out of my comfort zone, not being complacent, not, you know,

00:49:59.400 any of those things, then personally, I feel like I'm doing it wrong. Okay. Now, do I feel stretched

00:50:05.660 where it's unmanageable? No, because I have systems in place to help me manage it. Right. And then I,

00:50:12.460 what I can catch myself and reel myself in and whatever else take breaks when I need them.

00:50:17.580 But that's been the last 20 years of working on that. And so everybody's different, you know,

00:50:23.180 where that's my pursuit, but someone could be listening to this like, Holy crap, that guy's crazy.

00:50:28.700 Right. And they could just be like, I just want a nine to five. I want someone to tell me what to do

00:50:32.820 all day long, go get that job done. And then when I'm home, I want to go be my family guy,

00:50:37.680 the guy in my church. I want to serve my community, whatever it is, you know, and not to say you can't

00:50:42.240 do those things both ways. Yeah. But it comes down to what's important to you. Right. At the end of

00:50:48.820 your life, let me end with this at the end of my life. I've also had my affirmations. I will not get to

00:50:54.320 the end of my life and say, I wish I would have dot, dot, dot. And every day I remind myself of

00:51:00.560 that. And so if there's anything through the day where I feel like I'm not achieving that end or

00:51:05.900 on the path to achieving that end, then I get to work. I get uncomfortable. I push myself to do more.

00:51:12.660 And so, you know, if you need to gauge it on that, if you can get to the end of your life and be

00:51:16.780 perfectly happy with, you know what? I had this job. I stayed at this company for 40 years. I was a good

00:51:21.440 father. I was a good husband. I helped in my community and my church. I watched a lot of

00:51:25.840 football. I did, you know, and I felt good about it. You win. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I think in summary,

00:51:33.460 what I'm hearing you say, Sean, is really the answer is self-assess, right? Why aren't you

00:51:41.760 wanting to take on the new position? Is it because of a priority? Is it because you are thinking like

00:51:47.200 no one knows this, but you, right? On whether you're just doing it to be comfortable. And for

00:51:53.020 most people, I think the one thing I'd add to what you're saying, Sean, is determine the priority and

00:52:00.220 then determine the cost you're willing to pay. Yes. No one ever does that. And it drives me mad,

00:52:06.980 right? And the easiest example is next time you're in a conference meeting, pause the meeting, go,

00:52:12.340 okay, who all wants to become a millionaire and everyone will raise their hand. Yeah. And the

00:52:18.320 answer, and that's bullshit. No, not, not everyone wants to be one. Why? Because they haven't paused

00:52:24.360 and said, oh, what's the cost or what do I have to do to go there? And I actually think that most people

00:52:31.520 would then go, oh, you know what? No, Sean, I don't want to, right? I don't want to pay the price.

00:52:37.780 I don't want to work that hard. I don't want to do these things. But ironically,

00:52:41.340 look at the mindset of that. Look, look at what that does psychologically for people when they go,

00:52:48.080 oh, I want, in this example, I want to become a millionaire. And their whole life is, I want,

00:52:53.380 I want, I want, but yet they're never willing to do the work. It's so much more powerful to actually

00:52:59.940 sit down and go, oh, what's the price to become, to make millions and go, oh, you know what? No,

00:53:06.960 I'm not willing to pay that price. How refreshing that is. Now you're not going after something that

00:53:13.440 you know you don't want to go after. So I think the clarity of what you want, the priority and the

00:53:20.700 price that you want to pay to get there is the complete thought and then decide, you know, and

00:53:26.940 some of us aren't, you know, I know I have people in my life that I love dearly that

00:53:32.740 family is so important. They're not willing to pay a price to work even a nine to five.

00:53:40.040 And that's awesome. Right. And they feel fulfilled about it. Right. And so just get clear,

00:53:45.160 right. Why you're doing certain things and what the associated prices.

00:53:48.960 And with that, it's right down the price of both, right? The price, if I do it,

00:53:53.500 and then the price if I don't. Right. And what that's going to feel like and how you want to feel,

00:53:58.200 right. Kind of look 10 years, 20 years out where that might place you and whatever you think is

00:54:03.620 going to put you in a position where you're going to feel best about that. That's where you go.

00:54:08.580 Yeah. I like that. All right. Rapid fire on this one. Cause I think we could probably rat

00:54:12.580 hole on this one a little too far. So Andrew Barry, what do you think the world would be like in 40

00:54:16.820 years? Oh, geez. Who knows? Right. I mean, it's whatever you thought it was going to be like 20 years

00:54:24.000 ago. It's probably totally different now. Yeah. You know, I mean, think 40 years back and the

00:54:28.880 world's dramatically changed. You know, I was, I was on a, on a call with a group of men, you know,

00:54:34.920 there's probably like 60 of us on the call. And I asked the question on the call if, if the men on

00:54:41.400 that call thought that racism was worse today than it was, you know, 40, 50 years ago. And it was

00:54:48.860 interesting because on that call, there's probably, I'd say 40%, 30 to 40% of the guys on the call

00:54:56.040 were black. You know, we had a lot of Latinos, you know, some white guys. So like white guys

00:55:02.800 weren't the majority and but majority of people thought it was better. There was a couple that

00:55:07.660 thought it was worse. And all I thought was that that just depends on what they're paying attention

00:55:11.940 to. Right. What they're watching most of the time, but most thought it was better. So I think

00:55:16.240 from that standpoint, like I personally think it's going to continue to get better. You know,

00:55:21.800 I look at my kids, they don't have, you know, like my sons, their friends are, I mean, in our

00:55:28.120 neighborhood, they're, they're Asian, they're Indian, they're black, they're Hispanic, they're

00:55:32.280 white, like their friends are such a good mix, you know, where we live anyways. And, and they don't

00:55:38.100 talk about their friends like, Oh, this is my black friend. This is my Asian friend. This is my,

00:55:42.100 you know, they're just their friends. Right. And I grew up that way too, where I live.

00:55:46.040 I was a minority in the, in the neighborhood I grew up or the neighborhoods that I grew up in.

00:55:50.920 And, um, you know, so it's like, I'm not racist in any way because I didn't grow up with it. Did

00:55:55.580 I have people in my family that were, yeah. Right. And it's that older generation. I think we're

00:55:59.820 losing that. Right. And so, um, I think that's going to continue to get better the more and more,

00:56:04.880 especially in the U S that we become mixed. Right. Like everyone looks at me and assumes I'm just

00:56:09.520 white. Right. But I'm actually Mexican. You know, my last name is Villalobo. So it's, but I'm not

00:56:14.460 like, if you want to say I'm like a quote unquote real Mexican, right. Like, which is how funny we

00:56:18.780 put those labels on it. Yeah. Or my heritage. Yeah. Or what heritage you decide to latch onto.

00:56:24.480 But I always find that's funny too. It's like, Oh yeah. Like, and it's not negative, but my wife

00:56:30.100 will say she's Hawaiian. Well, why don't you say you're Norwegian? Because you're probably more

00:56:35.120 Norwegian than Hawaiian. It's like, it's funny. That's my dad. My dad's very Mexican, you know,

00:56:41.400 very Mexican looking and he hasn't latched on to like being Mexican because of his, the way he grew

00:56:47.300 up with more racism and, you know, that kind of stuff too. Yeah. Um, you know, and so I think that

00:56:52.480 part will be better. I think there's some things like you mentioned the meta verse and like, that's

00:56:57.400 something we can't even fathom, I think at this point. And, uh, I'll kind of leave it with this

00:57:02.800 because like you said, the rabbit hole, I think of when I got my first iPhone, um, my sister was,

00:57:10.040 was graduating coast guard basic. We flew out to Maine. Um, and I had my first iPhone. We actually

00:57:18.240 flew into, I forget what it was. Like, I think it was New Jersey or something like that. No, not

00:57:22.860 New Jersey, Atlantic city. Okay. So we fly into Atlantic city and, um, and we're, you know, we didn't

00:57:30.480 book a hotel. My mom loves doing this. Like she's, she, or loves doing this where she just like,

00:57:36.340 let's go on an adventure. Let's go. Let's not plan it. Let's just go. Right. And so we land and I had

00:57:41.260 my first iPhone. I'm like, well, let's see what this thing can do. And we're driving. First, I put

00:57:45.280 in the driving directions to the city on the way we book a hotel, which I'd never done before. Right.

00:57:50.960 And I'm flipping out. I'm like a little kid. Like, Oh, I felt like James Bond. I literally kept

00:57:54.880 saying, this is like James Bond stuff. Right. Like I booked a hotel. We booked a, uh, uh, uh,

00:58:00.940 meal at Morton steakhouse for that night, you know, and all of these things that like literally

00:58:06.820 a month earlier, I couldn't even fathom. Right. And now I have this thing in the palm of my hand

00:58:12.300 that makes me feel like I'm James Bond. It's like stuff you used to watch in the movies.

00:58:16.240 And so, like I've mentioned ready player one 40 years from now, that could be what it's like.

00:58:21.480 I don't know. Right. It's yeah. It's like all this stuff they said would happen has, and then some,

00:58:26.120 except for the flying cars. The only thing we don't have right now, the flying cars,

00:58:30.080 like if you look at the things they used to print when we were kids, um, you know, but I think

00:58:36.380 socially, I don't know. I think the polarization that we have right now will figure itself out over

00:58:42.300 the next 40 years. Hopefully that's my, that's kind of the optimism in me. I think, you know,

00:58:46.800 the racism stuff, all of these things that are polarizing and starting to pull us apart. I think

00:58:51.320 we're going to figure out at some point, actually it is better. We've been fooling ourselves. Let's focus

00:58:56.640 on that. Right. And move forward with it. Um, and, uh, and then socially, I don't know if we'll

00:59:03.480 become more polarized, you know, or, or not, but again, I'm hoping it works itself out. Maybe it

00:59:09.560 gets bad for a little while. And then 40 years from now, we're going to pull ourselves back in

00:59:13.120 where it's, uh, it's better than it was. Right. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. Well, you could go a lot of

00:59:18.940 different directions with it, but when I think 40 years out, I'm just thinking like that at the base,

00:59:23.760 it's the core of what we're teaching. And that's why I think this movement is so important,

00:59:26.560 right? Cause if we can restore masculinity, we're teaching her to kids, we can strengthen our homes

00:59:31.200 in these things and teach correct principles. I think the rest will figure itself out, you know,

00:59:37.420 and how we navigate and communicate it. Yeah. I like it. All right. Last question. As I have a 10 30,

00:59:44.840 I'm sure you might as well. So, um, Corey Brumwell, what about the LDS religion keeps you involved?

00:59:52.640 Do you want me to go first or either way? I can go first. It's, it's, I am a convert,

00:59:58.980 uh, to the church. And so I, my wife and I got baptized in 02, um, together, which I didn't know

01:00:06.380 was a not normal thing back then. And, and, you know, now is, you know, hold on, hold on, hold on,

01:00:10.880 hold on. So, so she, she's a convert as well. She's a convert as well. We both investigated the

01:00:16.320 church together and then got baptized and got baptized together. Yeah. And, uh, and we investigated

01:00:24.020 a lot of different churches. And so what made me want to be a part of the church? Number one,

01:00:29.600 I grew up in a household that was non-religious. If you ask my mom, even to the day she died,

01:00:34.480 she said she was Catholic and I don't know. Yeah. She probably doesn't remember the last time she

01:00:38.820 went to a mass, right? Yeah. My mom was Catholic as well. Yeah. And so I grew up that way. My dad was

01:00:44.500 anti-organized religion. He says he believes in God, but he doesn't like organized religion

01:00:49.380 because he had a bad experience with the Catholic church when I was a kid trying to get me baptized

01:00:53.420 as a, as a kid. And so it was, I didn't grow up in a religious family and then had a dad who was

01:00:59.260 like, Oh, you don't need church. And so, um, I eventually started to feel like I needed that part

01:01:05.740 in my life, especially learning success principles. Everybody talks about strengthening your faith and

01:01:10.980 your family, you know, and those things. And so I didn't have that part and wanted it.

01:01:16.120 So let me interrupt you really quick. Cause I, it's funny. We don't talk about religion too often on,

01:01:22.420 on the podcast. I mean, we kind of do. And, and for you guys that think that we never do,

01:01:27.060 you're just blinded by the idea that principles transcend religions and, and, uh, you know, truth is

01:01:34.480 truth. Right. So, but, but I would, I would, uh, as I give this back over to you, Sean, I would

01:01:40.720 challenge anybody that's might be checked out a little bit like, Oh, well, I'm not LDS. So why do

01:01:45.420 I care? Because there's truth in, in this con in this question, whether it's, whether you're Catholic,

01:01:54.440 whether you're Baptist, whether you're Hindu, whether you're Muslim, it doesn't matter. Right.

01:02:00.320 So find truth in, in what Sean's saying. Sorry, Sean, go ahead. No. And, and that that's perfect

01:02:05.800 segue to what I was just about to say. It's everything I learned. I didn't learn from the

01:02:11.300 Bible that, that wanting to have that part of my life field. It actually came from the book,

01:02:15.900 think and grow rich by Napoleon Hill. So here's a book that's trying to make you wealthy quote unquote,

01:02:21.420 right. And, and the main principle of saying in there is that you need to be led by a higher power.

01:02:26.140 You need to have that part of your life, um, there to really do something significant, um,

01:02:31.560 and meaningful in your life. And so I was searching for that, didn't know what it was. Um, and going to

01:02:37.180 different churches, nothing felt right. And when we went, the first time we went to a church meeting

01:02:42.500 was something they call state conference, which is basically like six or seven congregations coming

01:02:47.280 together in an area. And they had these different speakers. Um, literally the, like a guy, they call an

01:02:54.160 area authority come in, which is like this great speaker. Everyone's excited to hear.

01:02:57.800 And what got me was a 16 year old kid that got up there. And, and all he did was give a talk for

01:03:03.880 like five minutes. And all I could think about was who and how I was at 16 years old compared to this

01:03:11.160 kid. And here I am in a new marriage. I'd gotten married earlier that year to my wife. We're looking

01:03:16.940 to fill this part of our life, obviously thinking about our future and children and those sayings.

01:03:21.000 And both of our upbringings were awful from a standpoint of the environment we're in,

01:03:26.700 you know, what we saw, you know, the, the, just, it was awful. And, uh, and I thought,

01:03:32.620 Holy smokes, this kid at 16 is a better man than I am now is honestly what I, the thought that I had.

01:03:40.960 And I'm like, I want to raise kids in this environment. And it was the first time I had seen

01:03:46.540 that any church environment. And so I wasn't being taught by like some pastor that had gone

01:03:53.000 to school to learn how to get you to believe this stuff. Right. And, and so, um, from there

01:04:00.720 went in, started learning more and honestly tried to poke holes in it, tried to find things that

01:04:05.740 didn't make sense. Um, couldn't everything led to my life being better, me being happier,

01:04:12.160 us growing a family healthier in that environment. And I didn't have like a pure testimony,

01:04:20.120 you know? And so as the question, back to the question, what keeps you involved?

01:04:24.560 It was everything made sense that it, if I applied these principles, they were going to improve my

01:04:29.780 life and the lives of the people around me. Um, and I mentioned that means to the end and serving

01:04:35.140 people and, you know, and making their lives better. So I saw that happening through those principles.

01:04:39.840 And then I was, I didn't realize how deep I was in till I gained that testimony where I knew it was

01:04:48.320 true was probably about five to six years in. Yeah. And it was through doing the work, being in the

01:04:54.440 church, having a calling. I was actually, you know, helping the missionaries at the time.

01:04:59.300 And I got this affirmation without a doubt that I knew it was true of the spirit telling me it was.

01:05:05.080 And from that point forward, then the stuff that was making my life better, then I couldn't deny it,

01:05:11.160 you know? And so any doubts sent me back to that. Um, and I'll leave with this last thought. I heard

01:05:17.280 Joe Rogan on a, on a podcast talking about, he thought of a friend, he had a dream about a friend

01:05:21.660 and, uh, that he hadn't seen in a long time. And he, and he called him. And then when he called him,

01:05:26.580 the guy, you know, mentioned how he needed that call, you know, and, and how he was in a bad spot in

01:05:32.240 his life. And it really made a difference in his life. And Joe was talking about like,

01:05:35.940 we have this connection and I can't explain it, you know, but I knew I just had to call. I had

01:05:41.840 to make that connection. I just knew it without any other way to explain. Like I was, I'm universally

01:05:46.660 tied to that guy somehow. And, um, you know, that's what that prompting by the spirit was for me.

01:05:53.220 Like, if somebody asked me, why do you go, why do you, what about this? What about this? They believe

01:05:57.860 this, you know, and whatever else it is always from this point forward, going to go back to

01:06:02.320 that undeniable truth. That's been whispered to me that I felt more than I heard. Right. And,

01:06:08.540 and then if I want to think of it from like a, a tangible standpoint are the look at the fruits,

01:06:16.820 right? Are the fruits good? Are the principles being taught? Are you a better man? Yeah. Am I going

01:06:22.580 to be a better man, better husband? Am I going to make a deeper and more meaningful impact in my

01:06:27.280 community? And I can check yes to all of those. Then it's, I'm going to keep going.

01:06:32.900 Yeah. Copy. Well, and, and, and for you guys, I actually didn't know Sean was LDS until

01:06:39.080 actually this call. So, which is quite funny actually. Yeah. Well, you know, I get the same

01:06:45.540 thing actually, like when, um, when people are like, you're Mormon, what you're not a normal one.

01:06:51.080 You know what I mean? What's a more, what's a normal one? I don't even understand. Um,

01:06:56.640 just a thought that, that come to mind and maybe we wrap up the question this way. So,

01:07:01.680 uh, in the iron council, uh, which is our kind of our exclusive brotherhood, we, this month we're,

01:07:08.440 we're covering a man's search for meaning from Viktor Frankl and, um, and this quote come. Yeah.

01:07:15.220 Such a great book, such a great book. And, um, this, this quote, you showed up in my feed,

01:07:22.720 um, just the other day and I wanted to pull it up and share it because I think it, it, it talks about

01:07:28.100 the value of, in this context, the value of religion. Um, now, if you're a non-religious

01:07:35.580 person, fair, read this or listen to this quote and then ask yourself, what are you doing? And the,

01:07:41.980 and the quote reads when a person can't find a deep sense of meaning, they distract themselves

01:07:47.640 with pleasure and, and really think about what's the ultimate deep sense of meaning. Um, this past

01:07:56.980 week we were, I was in Cancun with Ryan and, and, uh, Mansfield was down there with us in Cancun.

01:08:03.660 One of his books, uh, Mansfield's book of manly men. I I I'm going to slaughter the title of something

01:08:09.960 like that. He talks about in one of his chapters about men getting present with their divine nature

01:08:20.200 and, and my translation or my interpretation of that is something greater than yourself that,

01:08:30.880 that you have a higher purpose. Right. And, and for those that believe in religion and you actually

01:08:36.040 believe that you're maybe a son or a daughter of God and that's your divine nature. Holy crap.

01:08:44.600 That gives you meaning. Yeah. Right. And Sean, what I heard from you today, it's like, Hey,

01:08:49.740 you've even created meaning, right? You've, you've consciously said, Hey, you know what? We're going to

01:08:54.680 start these businesses. And, and, and the focal point of these businesses is to keep the family unit up front.

01:09:00.500 To have families succeed, right. To help marriages succeed. That is a greater meaning. And, and that's

01:09:08.620 one of the aspects in generally speaking, not that it's requirement, but that's one of the benefits of

01:09:13.720 religion is a greater purpose and meaning and how, and, and I can't help, but look at my own children

01:09:21.620 and think how much better are they in a position to live this life when this life is not about pleasure

01:09:31.580 and not just about excitement, but it's about something greater than themselves, that there's a higher

01:09:40.080 purpose to life. What an amazing way to live life. And so if it's not religion for you, then figure out that

01:09:49.700 greater meaning, whatever that is. Now, don't get me wrong. I think life is meant to be enjoyable too,

01:09:57.380 right? We're supposed to enjoy the process. And we, we kind of talked about this earlier about like, Hey,

01:10:01.720 some of the toughest times in life were the most enjoyable and rewarding, right? Fulfillment is a

01:10:07.080 common term that we use on the podcast, right? It's excitement and happiness versus fulfillment.

01:10:11.520 And I would argue that meaning in life and feeling like living a life of no regret is a life of

01:10:21.660 fulfillment, not necessarily excitement and having a deeper meaning to why we are here or add or creating a

01:10:30.140 deeper meaning to why we are alive is, is ultimately where we find fulfillment, joy, peace, and happiness.

01:10:38.020 Um, and ultimately we'll end up on our desk beds. I think looking back and not regretting our time

01:10:43.280 that we had, um, I don't know. And it has to feel right for you. And I think that's the thing,

01:10:52.060 like I tell people all the time, they're like, well, what church do I go to? And I mean, on a weekly

01:10:56.340 basis, I get asked that and I said, you know what, you need to go to some and figure it out and find out

01:11:02.340 what makes the most sense for you. You could come to ours. Great. Come with us. But then,

01:11:07.260 you know, simultaneously don't just do that. In my opinion, I think you need to,

01:11:11.280 to investigate, right? Totally. And it comes back to commitment level,

01:11:15.880 not to go on a huge segue, but no, nothing ever got accomplished really well when you did it because

01:11:22.360 someone told, because Sean told you to versus your own desire and commitment to actually doing

01:11:28.160 something. Right. I mean, that's ultimately everything that we do. We should be bought into

01:11:32.700 whatever it is now or, and or if not question and go, why am I doing this? Right. And make sure

01:11:38.500 you also don't kind of, we've been talking about this the whole time. Too many people are looking

01:11:43.940 for it to be easy. Right. And that's the thing when you, when you, if you want to be a part of a

01:11:48.600 church or a religion or whatever it is, there's some commitments you're going to make. Um, and that's

01:11:53.460 important for all of us to be able to do commit and then follow through on those things.

01:11:57.840 And so if you're going about it, trying to find what's going to be the easiest for you,

01:12:01.300 I think that's the wrong way to go about it as well. Agreed. Agreed. Totally agree, man.

01:12:08.280 All right, man. I got a, I got a run. I got sales meetings and all kinds of work to do.

01:12:13.140 Well, I can expect we're going to see a spike like last time we were together.

01:12:16.780 For sure. For sure. And, and just to offend all those that would be easily offended,

01:12:21.000 Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Happy new year.

01:12:24.060 And, um, yeah, I hope you guys have a, have a great week. We talked. Yeah. And we talked about

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When Prepping Goes Too Far, Best Single Piece of Advice, and Contentment vs. Complacency ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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