Order of Man - When to End Your Employment, How to Start Investing, and When to Look for a Coach

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart

00:00:04.980 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:10.420 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who

00:00:17.220 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:22.780 you can call yourself a man. Mr. Kiff Sorensen, what's up, brother? Good to see you again, man.

00:00:27.460 Good to see you, that beautiful face of yours.

00:00:32.680 It might sound a little nasally today. If it is the case, just deal with it.

00:00:39.180 I keep thinking your camera's bust, like you have a crack in your camera, and that's why

00:00:44.140 your nose looks crooked. It's because I hold my head like this, so I just got to compensate

00:00:49.420 and straighten my nose out by just turning it this way. You have a choice, keep your head straight

00:00:54.400 or your nose straight, but you can't do both. Yeah. I'll keep my head straight. My nose is

00:00:59.140 sitting. I mean, it's noticeable, right? Like it is crooked for sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's crooked.

00:01:06.260 Yeah. So I broke my nose. It's kind of going over or at least to your left. Yeah. It's going

00:01:11.080 this way. Yeah. I'm pretty confident I broke my nose today. Okay. So you got to tell like

00:01:16.880 how like a random leg to the face during a roll. Like how did this happen? I ate a, I ate a forearm

00:01:24.260 slash elbow and okay. So here, here's what was happening. So me and me and my training partner,

00:01:31.120 Brody Cousineau were rolling this morning because we do twice, twice a week in the morning. And then

00:01:35.740 I go in the evening a couple of times a week as well. But yeah, him and I were training and I mean,

00:01:41.340 we're both pretty new to the sport, so it isn't super like, it's not a whole lot of finesse. Let's

00:01:50.080 just be honest. All right. It's not a whole lot of finesse. We're both a little rough around the edges.

00:01:55.320 And would you say a little bit more aggression than necessary?

00:01:59.160 Oh dude, we go hard. Like we go hard on each other. I'm surprised that we haven't hurt each other

00:02:05.220 worse than we have. Like he doesn't like to lose. I don't like to lose. I'll, I'll, he'll,

00:02:11.980 he won't tap on something. He should tap a whole lot sooner too. I won't do the same thing. Like we

00:02:17.080 go hard, dude. We go really hard. Well, and that's the benefit of this, of, of these podcasts

00:02:22.100 being on YouTube as well. And by the way, join us on YouTube is we see how well your partnership is

00:02:28.560 working out on your face every, every week. Cause last week it was a scratch across the bridge of the

00:02:34.740 nose. This week it's a, it's a, it's a busted nose. So, yeah. So I was in his guard. I think

00:02:42.940 I was in his clothes guard. I broke, broke his clothes guard and opened it up and backed up a

00:02:48.060 little bit. Cause he wasn't holding like my arms or lapel. So I backed up and I grabbed his knees

00:02:52.500 and I went for an X pass. And so I shoved his, it would have been his right leg down. Cause I was

00:03:00.180 going for a pass on the left to tuck it. Right. Right. So I shove his leg down to cross and I,

00:03:06.700 and you know, on the X pass, like you crash onto him, right? Yeah. You drive your shoulder,

00:03:11.480 your shoulder. Yeah. So I'm going like this, but I think I must've gone like this instead of like this

00:03:17.260 because he framed as soon as I passed his leg, he framed and he went whack and he hit. And I heard

00:03:24.480 this little, and I was like, Oh, it hurts so bad, man. I got teary eyed real quick. And then he's

00:03:31.140 like, Oh, I'm sorry. Did I hit you in the chin? I'm like, no, bro. You got me in the nose and my

00:03:35.460 eyes are just watering. And I'm like, I'm good. Just keep rolling. And I was, I passed his, his,

00:03:40.900 his guard. So I was inside control and I finally just kind of like flopped on him. I'm like, just give

00:03:45.840 me a second, dude. And I rolled off him. I went into the bathroom and I'm like, yep, it's broken.

00:03:51.900 So then I get out. I'm like, it doesn't really, it actually doesn't hurt. It hurts now. It didn't

00:03:57.360 hurt then. And I was like, I'm pretty sure I broke it. And he's like, Oh, do you just want to work

00:04:03.220 technique? I'm like, no, man, let's just keep rolling. So I'm like, there's nothing I can do

00:04:07.520 about it. So we kept rolling and now it, it hurts, man. It, it hurts. I can feel it. So, and now it will

00:04:14.940 be like a magnet to all limbs when you train because it seems like whenever you have an injury, you're

00:04:20.520 like, Oh, okay. I'll just play it safe. And then everything comes to everything. You're

00:04:24.960 like, Oh yeah. I'm not going to stop training. Like we've got trained. I'm going to train

00:04:29.580 tomorrow night. Who needs to stop train. Yeah. It's just a nose. Like I can breathe out of

00:04:35.420 my mouth if this thing completely shuts off. So I don't know. It's not too bad. I mean,

00:04:41.260 it's, I mean, it's sore. I mean, maybe once the swelling goes down. Yeah.

00:04:44.900 Yeah. Yeah. Maybe next week it'll be black and blue. I don't know. We'll see, but you

00:04:49.960 know, it's part of the fun, man. It's part of the fun. Yeah. Oh man. I love it. And, and

00:04:56.860 that's, and I was joking around with someone just last week about this is like, yeah, cause

00:05:02.120 you'll hear this sometimes on YouTube. When you talk about, when you look up jujitsu, right?

00:05:06.880 You Google jujitsu and you'll hear things like the gentle art. And one of the benefits of jujitsu

00:05:12.940 is you can go a hundred percent and no one ever gets injured and you can train into your

00:05:17.560 nineties. Right. And I, and I was cracking the joke last week. I'm like, you know, it's

00:05:21.540 really not very gentle, right? Like with everyone that's like blown out knees, guys are injured,

00:05:27.200 ribs crack. Whoever wrote that is either has never, either never trained jujitsu or is way

00:05:35.300 better than I am. Yeah. Well, and I think, I think what really what they're saying is cause

00:05:41.520 we're not striking, you're not striking. We can't, we can go a hundred. We, we, because

00:05:46.200 there's not very many martial arts that you can actually go a hundred percent with someone.

00:05:50.240 Well, and you got to think about benefit, but yeah. And you got to think about if we were

00:05:54.860 boxing, my, my training session would have been done. Like, I'm like, I can't, I can't

00:06:00.400 hit me in the nose again, but instead I was like, no, we can keep going. So I get it for

00:06:05.880 sure. But it's, yeah, it's, but it's not as gentle as, uh, I like it though. That's good

00:06:12.160 because here's the other thing I've thought about too, is when else, what other realm of

00:06:18.660 life is a man going to be able to physically exert himself against another human being

00:06:24.400 outside of an emergency situation, some sort of violent encounter. There's no, even, even

00:06:30.840 if you play pickup basketball or flag football or softball or baseball, there's once you're

00:06:36.180 out of high school or college or maybe professional athletes for some of you guys, there's no other

00:06:41.380 situation in which martial arts that is where you won't be able to exert yourself physically

00:06:47.540 against another human being. That's trying to do the same thing to you. And there's just

00:06:52.360 something very satisfying about it, very fulfilling and rewarding, but also very translatable to the

00:06:57.980 rest of your life when you can't punch your boss in the nose or you can't, you know, strangle your

00:07:02.960 client that you'd like to. There's just something very good about that. And that confidence of,

00:07:08.140 of defending oneself. And I was even thinking about as I'm doing this, I'm sure guys are tired of hear

00:07:14.980 me saying this, but as I'm doing this EMT training with my wife, I'm learning like all these things that

00:07:21.260 we naturally do, our bodies naturally, all these processes are our bodies naturally do,

00:07:27.100 you're overcoming them in jujitsu, right? The feeling of giving up the, the respiration,

00:07:34.400 the breathing, you know what I mean? Like trying to calm it down. Like there's all these natural

00:07:39.180 tendencies that kind of show up in jujitsu and to be good at it and to last in it, you're fighting

00:07:44.480 against them. You are using your mind over your head constantly in so many different areas. And

00:07:49.960 it's, I think that is highly rewarding as well. Yeah. I was training with Pete last night and he

00:07:55.520 just put a ton of pressure on, on my chest. And I was like, my hand was here. I'm like, I'm like,

00:08:01.540 I'm not going to tap to him putting pressure on me. I'm not going to do that. So you wanted to,

00:08:07.200 I totally wanted to for sure. Cause it was uncomfortable. Of course. Yeah. Instead I was like,

00:08:12.600 okay, put your damn hand down and do what you need to do to get out of this place that you're in

00:08:19.360 until then just breathe, like just take a breath. Like, and so that respiratory response isn't so

00:08:28.720 because intuitively you're like, you're hyperventilating panic. Yeah. But if you think

00:08:34.620 about it in the context of immediate feedback, and I think that's one of the benefits of jujitsu,

00:08:38.580 it's immediate instantaneous feedback, right? That hurts. That doesn't work. Oh, don't try that

00:08:44.580 again. Cause that is going to go badly. So it's instantaneous feedback, which is very important.

00:08:49.980 But when you, in this case, when you have that type of pressure and you're just like,

00:08:53.520 okay, you know, you take three deep breaths and then you make your move. I think that's very,

00:08:59.560 very translatable to you getting cut off on the road, on your way to work or getting in a fight with

00:09:05.760 your boss about the direction of control, whatever. Yes, for sure. Yeah. I love that. I,

00:09:11.440 I, with my two girls, I do at two of them every so often they're great now at first they didn't

00:09:16.560 like it, but I'll, I will grab one of my daughters and I'll just pin her. And, and at first you'd be

00:09:22.600 like, I'm like, calm down. You know what I mean? And she'll just like, I'm like, see, everything's

00:09:30.200 okay. You know what I mean? Uncomfortable. Right. She's like, totally. I don't like it. I'm like,

00:09:34.440 that's good. You know what I mean? And then I'll let her go. So then that way, when we do train,

00:09:38.680 she doesn't freak out. Right. And, and they're, they're great now. Like they'll totally, my,

00:09:42.700 my seven-year-old, she struggles a little bit still. She's like, and she'll try to like,

00:09:47.460 as I pin her 180 pounds. Yeah. And a seven-year-old, I just demolish her.

00:09:54.520 That is funny. A lot of guys actually have questions about getting their kids involved in

00:09:58.940 jujitsu. And you actually said something funny. You said, you know, I, I, I train with my daughters

00:10:03.940 or my daughter, my youngest daughter, she just doesn't know it. And, and I thought that was

00:10:09.780 really telling because my second son, my first son. So my oldest, he's all about it. Like he'll,

00:10:16.060 he'll train, he'll drill, he'll go through technique. Well, he'll go through the whole thing.

00:10:21.020 My second's like, no, I don't want to do that, but he's just, he's intense. And so I have to

00:10:26.400 disguise jujitsu with him. So for him, it's just like, we just play games and I'm like,

00:10:32.220 see if you can get past my feet. And I don't tell him it's jujitsu. I'm like, just see if you can get

00:10:36.960 past my feet. And he's like, like doing all this stuff. I'm like, he's doing jujitsu. He just

00:10:40.980 doesn't know it, you know? So you have to approach it different with each kid.

00:10:45.180 Yeah, totally. I have my, my hope is that my, it's funny what we learn as parents, right? Like

00:10:52.200 I have a two-year-old and I'm realizing like with my older kids, I didn't, I didn't prep them early

00:10:58.180 enough to do chores. I didn't prep them early enough to do jujitsu. My two-year-old does the

00:11:04.060 trash now with me. So I come home and I'm like, let's do the trash. And he's all excited. And he

00:11:09.560 empties trash cans in the bag. He thinks this is, and my hope is before he's even aware of it,

00:11:14.940 this is just status quo, right? Like he doesn't even know that there's an even option to take out the

00:11:20.640 trash, right? That this is just part of his duties of life. And, and, and it goes the same

00:11:25.480 thing with him. Like, um, he was, I, I'll, I'll send you this video, but I have this video of him

00:11:31.200 doing double leg takedowns on my daughters where, and he's two, he's just grabbing both legs and he's

00:11:36.660 like dumping them and he's like, and he thinks it's the funniest thing in the world. Like this is so

00:11:41.820 awesome. Yeah. Oh man. All right, man. Well, I think we're warmed up. Let's get to questions today.

00:11:47.800 Yeah. So our questions today, Facebook, uh, join us there. Facebook.com slash group slash order of

00:11:54.380 man. Uh, we got a bunch and yeah, some good questions actually from the Facebook group today.

00:11:59.820 Actually, actually, I mean, it's rare. Surprisingly, surprisingly, good questions.

00:12:06.560 Trust me guys. We still have faith in, in a, in a, in a large percentage of you in the Facebook group.

00:12:11.620 We still have faith in you. So we, we haven't given up totally guys. Come on. Yeah. You guys,

00:12:15.640 you guys are the heart of your first line of defense for the order of man movement.

00:12:21.080 Fair enough. All right. Joshua Hyman, when, or is there a right time to quit your job and start a

00:12:27.440 business? Should you start up while working at your current employer and then progress full-time

00:12:31.480 into your own business? Should you be debt-free or very close to it? I know we've answered this

00:12:37.380 question before, but maybe a quick response. I think if you wait until you're debt-free or

00:12:42.860 everything's just perfect, you're probably going to be waiting forever. So I think you need to take

00:12:47.540 the leap sooner than you think you do, because there's always going to be an element of risk

00:12:51.820 when it comes to starting a new business and then walking away from, well, in my case, I walked away

00:12:56.680 from six figures of residual income. So you're walking away from maybe residual income or a salary.

00:13:02.700 And so there's always a risk associated with that. And I think this is more applicable to men.

00:13:09.140 And we're usually more willing and capable of shouldering that risk relative to our female

00:13:14.900 counterparts. I think generally, I would say that's true. We're a little bit more, we're feel

00:13:20.220 more natural for it. To take a risk. Right. Yeah, for sure. But that said that, that, that doesn't

00:13:26.700 absolve the sort of risk or, or fear that comes along with that. So I think the greater likelihood is

00:13:34.020 that you're waiting too long, not going too early. Now there is the thought out there that says,

00:13:40.220 just jump, just burn the boats, burn the bridges. I think if you're young and you don't have a wife,

00:13:46.740 you don't have a kid, kids, you don't have a house, you don't have debt. I might say, yeah,

00:13:49.680 actually I would, I would actually recommend that. And the risk is minimal. Yeah. Yeah. I would say,

00:13:53.760 yeah, do that. In fact, people ask like, what, what advice do you have for young people? I'm like,

00:13:57.740 go on as many trips, tour the world, get as many experiences, try everything that comes to your

00:14:03.420 mind because it's not going to get any easier to do. And the risk is relatively low for you right

00:14:07.740 now. If things get bad, worst case scenario, you can put your tail between your legs and run on home.

00:14:12.900 I'm not suggesting you do that, but you could. Yeah. But as a 40 year old man, not happening.

00:14:18.140 Yeah. And just so you guys know, like this isn't, this isn't just advice that we'd give you that we

00:14:24.300 want to take advantage of. Right. Like my, my nine year old son right now, he's like,

00:14:28.440 yeah, I'm not sure. Like, he's like wavering in regards to like his next step. And I told him,

00:14:34.240 I'm like, dude, save up a few grand, go to Thailand. What for? Just to go, go there and

00:14:41.280 live there for like six months and like live on a boat, man. Like seriously, like do whatever it is

00:14:47.280 that you wanted to experience and try. Like, and that's honestly like my, my advice to him, not like,

00:14:52.700 you know, settle down. And I'm like, dude, figure out experience, like figure out what you want to

00:14:57.580 do, experience life, like run, go for it. As long as there's intentionality about it. Well,

00:15:03.960 yeah, because that goes back to what we were saying a minute ago. Of course she doesn't want him to do

00:15:08.100 that. That's risky. Yeah. So I wouldn't send my daughter to do that. I wouldn't encourage her to

00:15:13.640 do that. It's true. That's true. I wouldn't either. Right. So of course that's the power of having

00:15:20.300 a lovely woman in your life who brings a perspective that you don't typically consider

00:15:25.420 or isn't your strength on your own. That's the power of having a man and a woman in the relationship

00:15:30.460 to father and mother children. You guys don't. And people say, I don't understand women. No shit.

00:15:35.140 You're not supposed to. If you actually understood them, you would be more like them. And then that

00:15:41.940 wouldn't be any benefit to society. And women will say, well, we don't get men. Yeah, of course we

00:15:46.280 don't, you shouldn't be able to fully understand because then you would be like us and that doesn't

00:15:51.280 benefit. So it's good that we don't fully understand each other. We respect each other,

00:15:56.280 but we don't understand each other. Okay. So back to this guy's question. So it depends on what,

00:16:02.500 where you're at. So if you're young, you don't have a whole lot of responsibility or I don't want to say

00:16:06.120 responsibility necessarily, but you don't have obligations, wife, mortgage, kids, et cetera,

00:16:11.400 et cetera, then maybe, yeah, less risk. Then maybe you take a leap sooner. If you've got a kid and

00:16:17.740 you've got a wife and you've got a mortgage, you've got car payments and things like it's

00:16:20.640 going to take you a little bit longer. So here's what I would suggest just to put a tangible

00:16:24.160 date on it is sit down right now and figure out what your minimum monthly expenses are.

00:16:33.060 Your minimum monthly expenses like bare bones. We're going to skim the groceries. We're going to,

00:16:38.360 we're just going to pay the service, the debt, but we're not going to have a bunch of

00:16:41.900 unnecessary discretionary expenses. Like what it, okay. So it's $2,000 a month, whatever it is,

00:16:47.880 three, whatever, just pick your number, $3,000. Let's say, okay, well you need to be,

00:16:54.040 if we look at the math, let's just look at the math. You need to be making $3,000 a month with

00:16:59.740 your business to quit your job, not five, not seven, not 10, three, because that's what covers your

00:17:05.100 expenses. Or here's another way to look at this. You, you look at the trajectory of your business.

00:17:11.540 Let's say last month you did a thousand dollars in revenue and you did that for the last 90 days.

00:17:16.480 And now you're at 2000 and you see that for 60 to 90 days. And so you can figure in maybe another 90

00:17:22.700 days, maybe you'll be at that 3000 mark. So that means that you need to have $9,000 in savings

00:17:31.640 to be able to cover and float. Actually, it's not even that much. It's the difference between two

00:17:37.860 and three. So it's $1,000 a month. So you need to have $3,000 in savings to float you until you get

00:17:45.480 to that, that $3,000 a month salary. So I think this is a combination of logic and reason

00:17:55.140 and assuming a little bit more risk and stepping outside of your comfort zone than you would feel

00:18:01.080 comfortable with. Cause if you're comfortable with it, you'll never do it. So you have to be

00:18:05.180 uncomfortable with it to some degree. Does that quantify it a little bit? Okay. Yeah. That's what

00:18:10.120 I would suggest. And what I like about what you said, Ryan is, is I think far too often people say

00:18:15.360 they want something, but they're never clear on the price that they're willing to pay for it.

00:18:19.880 They're not clear on what they're willing to do or what they're not willing to do.

00:18:24.240 And, and by doing what you just said is by looking at your budget and saying, okay,

00:18:28.440 what is our absolute necessary income? That's kind of me looking at the grand scheme of things and

00:18:34.540 going, you know, what am I willing to go without? What am I willing to sacrifice to make this happen?

00:18:39.700 And that's really, that's really great to do because some guys may come to the table and go,

00:18:44.340 um, actually, no, I'm not willing to sacrifice those things, but then awesome. Don't do it then.

00:18:49.140 Right. But to act on something and not, not be clear on the cost of it is just a waste of your

00:18:55.500 time. I actually can appreciate somebody who says, yeah, I'm not willing to pay that price.

00:19:01.080 I appreciate and respect that individual more than the guy who says, I'm willing to do anything.

00:19:04.980 And you tell him what to do. He's like, except that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And this is like,

00:19:10.040 and this goes for everybody. Yeah. And this goes for everyone that says, I want to be rich. Right.

00:19:14.520 It's like, Oh, I would love to be rich. Are you willing to pay the price? Oh, what does that look like?

00:19:19.380 Lay it on the table? Uh, no, I'm not willing to. And they don't ever say that. Right. They,

00:19:25.900 of course, they're not going to say that, but they are, I mean, that is what they're saying to

00:19:29.320 themselves is I'm not going to do that. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, or they're being delusional to

00:19:35.380 themselves and saying, no, I'm doing it all. I am. I'm trying my hardest. Yeah. Are you?

00:19:42.080 Totally. So I think this would be beneficial for Josh. So, or Joshua, you, for you, what this looked

00:19:52.640 like for you specifically is, is you double down, right? You, you kept working your day, your day

00:19:59.180 job, you started order of man, and you kind of ran parallel for a period of time before you were

00:20:05.280 transitioned. And I know every industry is going to be different. What did that parallel timeline look

00:20:10.800 for you? How long did you put in the extra effort and kind of run two things at the same time before

00:20:16.660 you were able to switch? So I'm not a great example. Then, and I say that because I'm not an

00:20:23.160 Instagram internet sales guru guy. Who's going to like lie to you and tell you do it this way.

00:20:29.600 Cause this is what you do. And it's not sexy. What I'm going to tell you is not sexy. And also

00:20:34.800 I acknowledge it doesn't apply to everybody. Okay. I spent almost 10 years building up a residual

00:20:40.900 income and I owned my business too. So I worked for about seven or eight months with order of man

00:20:49.540 before I even took in any sort of income. We made it about a thousand dollars, $1,200.

00:20:53.940 That first month we actually tried to turn something on. It was like $1,200.

00:20:58.860 Got it.

00:21:00.220 And then it took, so that was like seven, eight months. And then it took a year and a half before

00:21:04.700 I was making some pretty good income two years before I was like, okay, I think I could probably

00:21:10.680 do this. Okay. But also I had residual income coming in. Yeah. You were already established.

00:21:17.400 You were kind of in a position to allow that.

00:21:19.040 I didn't even need to show up to work and six figures would have continued to come in.

00:21:25.000 So I had the residual income coming in. And then when I finally decided to like totally pull the

00:21:32.740 trigger and leave, I sold my business and I got a big payout when I sold my business.

00:21:40.180 Yeah.

00:21:40.620 That's not everybody's situation. So I'm, I'm re I really don't want to be disingenuous. I'm giving

00:21:46.200 you the advice that I would give if I was in your shoes, but my scenario was probably a little

00:21:52.220 different than 90% of the people out there who want to go on and do their own thing.

00:21:55.940 Copy. Copy. And, and maybe it's valuable. I'll share how this worked for me. So I was working

00:22:02.100 for Intel and Micron and I got outsourced to India. That's, that's a nice way of saying I got fired.

00:22:09.060 It was kind of funny because I told my kids, I'm like, I got outsourced. And they're like,

00:22:12.540 did you get fired? I'm like, no, no, no, no. I got outsourced. Did you not hear me?

00:22:17.700 Even kids see right there, right? I got laid off and, uh, but I had a good severance package.

00:22:26.500 I had six months and, and kind of my thought process in the back of my mind was I have six

00:22:32.860 months to try anything. And if it fails, I'll, I'll go find a job, you know? And 15 years later,

00:22:41.740 I never had to go find another job. Right. So it, it took me six months to just double down,

00:22:48.240 but I wasn't going in parallel. Right. I was like all in within six months. I was making to be,

00:22:54.520 to be frank within a month or two, I was making the equivalent of the same income,

00:22:59.060 if not more than I was already making, um, you know, and then I was able to ramp up. So

00:23:04.620 for me, I think if I had that savings, you know what I mean? Of six months,

00:23:09.140 then I could have done the same exact thing. Um, but luckily it was, it was the severance

00:23:13.980 package. That was my, to be frank. So for sure. But let's, let's not overlook something that's

00:23:19.940 very important here too, Kip, that I think would be easier to overlook. Most, what most people will

00:23:24.820 do. Okay. Let's, let's just say they got a six month severance package and I'm going to throw out

00:23:29.440 numbers here. Could be completely right or wrong. It doesn't matter, but let's say they've got

00:23:32.660 $80,000. Okay. Let's just say we got $80,000 and, and they've got six months of income coming in.

00:23:42.580 What will most people do? I got time. I'm good. I got time. And then a month passes. Oh no, no. I

00:23:51.100 still got five months. It's like almost half a year. I'm good, man. And then three months and then

00:23:56.120 two months. And then they get into the last like 30 days. They're like, Oh shit, I got to get a job.

00:24:02.140 That's what most people will do. But you didn't do that. No. Right. That's why you're where you

00:24:07.780 are right now because you didn't do that. Yeah. I had a month notice before I was officially laid

00:24:14.400 off. I had contracts lined up already before I was even quote unquote laid off. So I was double

00:24:21.560 dipping income for six months instead. So you're not playing any bullshit games that most people do

00:24:27.480 with procrastination because that's what most people do. So guys hear us. That's not what

00:24:32.640 Kip did. He didn't say, Oh, six months. Yeah. I got six months to dink around and have fun and tour

00:24:36.280 the world and do all the things. No, it's like, I got to get to work and you did. And here's where

00:24:40.680 you are right now. Yeah. All right. Let's drive on. All right. Michael Doreen, what is the best way to

00:24:46.860 get investing money? I kind of like this question. My apologies. If, if you felt like we've

00:24:51.420 already answered this one too much, but he says not trying to get rich quick, but wanting to put

00:24:55.860 money to work. So maybe some strategies around putting money to work quickly with not much more

00:25:02.120 detail from Michael other than that. Yeah. I mean, it's hard because there's not a whole lot of

00:25:05.580 detail here, but what you do when you're looking at finances is you look at tiers and there's four

00:25:10.100 characteristics when you look at money. So you look at potential rate of return. This is broad. Okay.

00:25:15.200 But just, you guys will get it. Potential rate of return, uh, risk level of risk. That's another

00:25:21.540 factor. Taxation is another factor. And, uh, liquidity is another factor. So those are the

00:25:28.860 four factors that you're looking at. And what, what typically happens is based on those four factors,

00:25:34.920 you're going to sacrifice another factor to get, to get high on one. So for example, if you said, uh,

00:25:40.820 I really need a lot of liquidity. Okay. You're going to sacrifice rate of return if you do that

00:25:46.200 and probably taxation as well. If you said, no, I want the highest rate of return. You're probably

00:25:52.040 going to sacrifice again, just generally speaking, you're probably going to sacrifice some liquidity

00:25:56.140 and you're going to sacrifice certainly some level of safety. Yeah. So when we look at the way that we

00:26:03.140 invest money, when you're just starting out, so I'm going to assume Michael's just starting out

00:26:06.900 because he's asking this question, the, the, the, the tier or the, the factor that you want to look

00:26:12.680 at most is, uh, safety and liquidity when you're just starting out. So if you have no money to your

00:26:20.340 name whatsoever, you need liquidity and you need safety. Now, if you're beyond that, well beyond that,

00:26:27.020 then you can go for high rate of return. You don't need the liquidity because you've got another

00:26:30.100 bucket over here, which is liquid. And you don't need safety because you got this money over here,

00:26:34.340 that's stable and secure. So you can afford to take greater risks. So when you're just starting

00:26:39.020 out, it's those factors, it's liquidity and safety. And then you build from there and all of

00:26:44.140 your little pockets of money are all going to have different factors and they're going to complement

00:26:49.140 each other nicely. So if I have a nice nest egg, let's say I've got three to six to nine months of

00:26:53.900 savings in a savings account, then you need to create another bucket over here that, that poses some,

00:27:00.000 some higher potential gains. Yes. You're going to sacrifice some risk, but it's okay. Cause you got

00:27:05.300 your three to six to nine months over here. So if you're just starting out, I would say you do a

00:27:10.820 savings account. That's not investing. That's saving. That's like, you might as well just put it under

00:27:14.400 your mattress. Okay. Then you start looking at a low risk, highly diversified, low turnover mutual funds.

00:27:24.340 So now at least you're investing in the market. So you have the potential of upward gains,

00:27:29.280 but it's so broadly diversified. It's not turned over very often. So you're saving on fees and taxation

00:27:35.820 that, that at least you open yourself up to some potential gains. So that's where you move from there

00:27:42.940 from there. And that might be a mutual fund from there. You could probably get into a Roth IRA or some

00:27:50.100 sort of employer sponsored program, like a 401k simplified employee pension, all of these programs.

00:27:56.940 And really what those are guys, just a crash course in this. That's just tax code. 401k, for example,

00:28:04.180 is just tax code Roth IRA. It's just tax code. Basically what they're doing is they're saying,

00:28:10.620 we're going to take this bucket of money, this investment right here, and we're going to put it

00:28:16.420 under the umbrella of the Roth IRA, which is just how we're going to treat it from a tax perspective.

00:28:22.760 Yeah. So you can tax that money. Yeah. So if you think about it, it's kind of like,

00:28:27.180 it's kind of like a vehicle. So the outside of the vehicle is the way that it looks right. Here's

00:28:33.600 the body shape. Here's the color. Here's what it is. Then you have the engine underneath the hood of

00:28:38.960 the car and the engine is the investment. So it could be mutual funds. It could be real estate. It could

00:28:43.980 be gold. It could be artwork. I mean, it could be anything really. Yeah. Property. Yeah. Property.

00:28:51.600 Yes. And then it's treated this way from a tax perspective. So again, you go savings, you go low

00:28:58.360 turnover, low risk, highly diversified mutual funds, employer sponsored programs. And from there,

00:29:04.960 I would start really considering investing in businesses, individual businesses. And I'm not

00:29:10.960 necessarily saying individual stocks, although you could get into that a little bit. I'm more

00:29:16.020 suggesting that maybe you want to start a business and you want to throw 50 grand at it or, or a KIP,

00:29:23.080 you know, you have this, this business venture and you're doing this incredible thing with new

00:29:28.280 technology and it's groundbreaking. And I'm like, that actually sounds pretty interesting. I would

00:29:33.020 like to invest $20,000 with you to help you get that started, but that doesn't come immediately.

00:29:38.300 That's up here. Once I have the foundation built and just like a building, the, the, the more solid,

00:29:43.900 the, the foundation that you build wide and deep, the taller the building can be, the more stable it

00:29:50.320 will be. So build that foundation out strong. And then you start growing it from there.

00:29:55.280 Yeah. And would you say some of those business investments could be focused on maybe not even

00:30:00.380 long-term gains, but even just cashflow, like immediate cashflow ideas, just to get cash,

00:30:05.940 more cash coming into the door as well. Right. Give me an example.

00:30:09.960 Well, I, yeah, I'm thinking about this, like on my own. It's like, you know, I don't, I think it was,

00:30:15.500 was it Sean Whelan that made this post? Someone made a post, which I completely loved, which was

00:30:19.500 like, you want to become a millionaire, sell like 10,000 items that, that at $200 each. And when you

00:30:27.220 look at it that way, you're like, could I come up with something that's worth 200, $200? Oh, sure.

00:30:32.180 Yeah, it could. You know? And so, so I just think about those kinds of scenarios all the time. Like

00:30:37.580 it's even crossed my mind of like, oh man, I, I should start a business cleaning garbage cans,

00:30:43.700 hire some local kids in the neighborhood, clean garbage cans, generate some cashflow. Like I'm

00:30:48.020 always thinking about those quick little business ideas to just bring more income or cashflow in.

00:30:53.800 Yeah. You know, I don't know if I'd ever make money long-term from it, but it would be a good,

00:30:57.500 just residual cashflow. Totally. I'll give you an example. I won't name any names here

00:31:02.500 necessarily, but, uh, I've got a friend who had a connection. This was years ago. This was probably

00:31:08.660 six, seven, eight years ago who had a connection in China and he ended up buying a bunch of, uh,

00:31:14.620 electronic toys, like remote control helicopters and remote RC type cars, things like that. So he bought

00:31:20.720 them in China for, for the price at wholesale. And then he sold them and he marked it up to 300%

00:31:26.760 and he sold them here and he made a lot of money doing it in a very short period of time.

00:31:31.780 And now he owns his own, uh, his own company. Again, I'm not going to say the company just,

00:31:36.900 just cause I, I want to respect this person, but now he owns his own company and he manufactures his

00:31:43.960 own, uh, merchandise and he's doing very, very well with it. But the launching point was buying cheap

00:31:48.860 shit from China and then marketing to 300% selling it. And now here's where he is now. So yeah,

00:31:55.640 there's so many options. I mean, even Sean Whalen, he, he talks about going to yard sales

00:32:00.680 and, and finding, you know, a, an old elliptical or an old treadmill or an old this or that. And

00:32:06.440 then he marks it up 200% and he sells it on Facebook for free. Yeah. So the opportunities

00:32:11.260 are there and people say, Oh, I can't believe we would do that. Why? Like you could do that.

00:32:16.220 There's nothing wrong with that. There's a demand. And as long as it's a voluntary transaction,

00:32:20.460 transaction, this individual sold it for this price and they agreed upon it. And this other

00:32:24.360 individual is willing to pay two times more. Who are you to say, well, it's only worth this much.

00:32:28.340 It's worth whatever somebody will pay for it. That's it. Period. Yeah. So yeah, I knew a guy

00:32:33.120 that was buying old, like classic sneakers, like old Jordans from the nineties. And he would just find

00:32:38.320 all these old shoes in great condition and then resell them at a huge marked up price. And that's all

00:32:44.460 he did. Good for him. Yeah. That's the power of capital. Oh, it's greedy. Well, no, it's just,

00:32:49.980 it's creative. Yeah. It's using a little initiative. Yeah. And like you always say,

00:32:56.100 it's like, that's the beautiful capitalism is like, if there wasn't a demand, then there would

00:33:01.640 be no transaction. Right. So you're providing a service that someone's willing to pay, you know,

00:33:06.840 this is the thing. This is the thing I get so upset. We'll use actors and, and athletes. People

00:33:12.600 say, Oh, they get paid too much. Really? Did you buy a ticket to the game? Did you pay for the pay

00:33:18.840 per view for UFC? Yes. Then shut up. Yeah. Apparently not. Because you actually are too

00:33:26.140 much. Right. Cause you actually voted. You said, I think this person should get some of my money.

00:33:31.740 If you think they get paid too much, then just don't support them. And if enough people do that

00:33:36.420 because they believe like you, then their pay will go down. This is the whole concept. Remember a year or

00:33:42.100 two ago, I think it was the women's soccer team. They wanted to make more money. Yeah. They wanted to

00:33:47.100 make as much as the men. And it's like, well, but not as many people want to come see you as the men.

00:33:52.160 So why would we pay you more? And guess what their response was? Their response was, Oh, well, you

00:33:56.940 just, just come to more of our games. Like that's how you can support us. Come to more of our games.

00:34:01.960 Yes. That's right. That's the answer. That's the answer. Not just gift you more money. It's like,

00:34:08.400 no, have people actually more people come to your games. And if they don't, then, you know,

00:34:12.620 you're not worth as much. I'm not talking about human worth. I'm talking about your salary.

00:34:17.740 Yeah. Your service, the service in which you're providing valuable. That's it. Totally. And have

00:34:23.360 you seen that interview with Rhonda Rousey where she was, it was, um, it was a media, a press conference

00:34:29.200 when she was getting ready for, I think her fight with Misha Tate and, and a journalist asked her

00:34:35.540 about gender equality and pay. Have you seen this? I haven't seen it. It's great. Oh yeah. You got to

00:34:41.820 watch it. But, but ultimately she was like, um, I get paid more than most male fighters. There's

00:34:48.080 actually only a few male fighters that need more money than me and has nothing to do with my sex,

00:34:52.260 my gender or anything else. It, it comes down to your people want to see me fight.

00:34:57.460 That's right. I'm an entertaining fighter. So thus I get paid more.

00:35:00.940 Right. I mean, Connor McGregor is a master at this. I mean, he's, let's be real. He's a good fighter.

00:35:08.460 He's not the best fighter in the world or ever. Like we know that, right? Yeah. We know that

00:35:13.120 objectively. We know that. And yet he is one of the highest paid fighters of all time.

00:35:19.480 Yeah. Because he realized it goes well beyond just what he does in the cage. It's what he does

00:35:25.700 outside of it. And he learned how to market himself and make himself more valuable. Totally. And part of

00:35:29.640 that market is people hating him because even the guys that hate Connor McGregor want to see him fight

00:35:34.980 in hopes that he gets his face punched. Right. And the guys, the guys who love him want to see him

00:35:40.840 fight because they want to see him win. So we all want to see him. We all want to see him fight.

00:35:45.060 Right. And the benefits from it all, even though, even though we may not like him.

00:35:49.520 As you said that, I don't, I don't know if you heard me, but I almost snorted as I was laughing.

00:35:54.720 I think it has something to do with what's going on in here.

00:35:57.060 I actually sneezed this morning and I was like, Oh, don't sneeze anymore. That

00:36:05.040 what you should do is get a COVID-19 test. Yeah. That's what you need to do.

00:36:10.800 It is. It's COVID. That's the reason my nose is crooked. It's COVID.

00:36:14.360 It's COVID. It makes people's nose. All right.

00:36:18.800 Savrio Petrini. Sorry, man. Writing from Italy. We are all following the chaos happening in your

00:36:25.660 country. Apart from trying to give an alternative point of view to the MSM propaganda, how can we

00:36:31.880 help from abroad? You can't imagine how many of us want to help. It's kind of cool.

00:36:38.980 Yeah, it is cool. It's, it's nice. It's a nice gesture, but help with what? I'm not quite sure.

00:36:43.980 You know, like what would you, what would you just the chaos, the misinformation probably. I mean,

00:36:49.200 since he brought up the alternative view of MSM, you know? Yeah. Look, I don't know. Look,

00:36:54.760 I don't know about Italy and how the country is run. This is not my, my purview. This is not

00:37:00.040 something I focus on. So I might just be sticking my foot in my mouth, which I'm more than happy to do

00:37:04.280 always. The only thing I would say is just share the truth of, of your current situation. You know,

00:37:12.760 what's working well, what isn't working well, you know, cause I think, I think the country,

00:37:17.180 our country, America is going down a path that we're very ignorant generally

00:37:22.000 and collectively about the path that we're taking, which, which appears to be a trend towards

00:37:28.060 more socialism, Marxism, that sort of thing, an ultimate, some sort of just hate and vitriol

00:37:36.400 towards the concept of individual Liberty and capitalism. And it's very nice and easy to be able

00:37:42.600 to yap about that when you don't have to deal with and never have dealt with the ramifications of

00:37:48.040 a communist or socialist society. So I think the best thing that any person outside of the U S can do

00:37:57.560 is to say, look, this is the path that we took and this is why it didn't work. Or this is why it did

00:38:03.440 work and, and share that perspective. Um, you know, but outside of that, I don't know. I don't,

00:38:11.480 I don't know. I really don't. I'm kind of at a loss on what you might be able to do to help,

00:38:15.300 but just keep sharing your perspective. I think that's valuable. Um, and that's it.

00:38:24.520 I don't know. I'm kind of at a loss on that. That's a good question. I just kind of at a loss.

00:38:27.640 I think it's a bit, and it's almost the same response that we'd give every guy, right? Like,

00:38:31.300 how do you help? Right. We, we stand for truth and righteousness. We, you know what I mean? Stand

00:38:36.840 for things that are correct. We share. Well, and here's another, here's another thought on that.

00:38:40.440 Good examples. Right. And, and get involved with the, the things that you feel are valuable. So if

00:38:47.500 there's companies that you really support, for example, I believe the, in the power of American

00:38:53.680 manufacturing. So if he's like, how can we help? Well, maybe you support America by buying American.

00:39:00.820 You know, if you really do want to help, like origin's a great company. There's plenty of great

00:39:04.940 companies out there that are, that are a hundred percent made and sourced in America. Um, I just

00:39:10.600 bought some boots, crispy boots. I think they're from, I think they're made in Italy, in fact,

00:39:15.100 but that's a great thing. The point I'm making is that if there's organizations or businesses that

00:39:20.480 you support and you believe in what they're doing, then, then that's good to vote with your dollars,

00:39:26.280 vote with your dollars. And that's a great way to support. Even if it's just charity, you know,

00:39:30.040 you find a charity that's here in the U S and you think this is a valuable cause,

00:39:33.900 whatever that cause may be, then consider donating and sending some of your hard earned

00:39:37.980 money to that charity or that organization or that business. And that goes a long way for sure.

00:39:43.600 Yeah. All right. Nathan Hansler, since about, since about month 11 of my marriage, my wife

00:39:52.080 has taken over our budget. She is much better at numbers than I am. And she is a real,

00:39:57.520 she has a real knack and a love for it. When I took care of the budget, she would always get anxiety

00:40:02.840 and fret over. It was done correctly. And it was a constant argument in our marriage. I decided to

00:40:08.180 delegate and let her do the thing as she desired to do. Even if it was, uh, even if it was being in

00:40:15.320 charge of the finances and now we're in a better place in our, in relationship wise because of less

00:40:20.060 money arguments. My question is, does giving up my sovereignty to my, to my wife over our finances

00:40:25.540 truly make me lose my sovereignty and make me less of a man? Or am I taking my role as leader of the

00:40:32.340 house by delegating the job to my wife and maintaining my sovereignty? Okay. So let's just

00:40:37.140 get this out of the way. There's a real misconception about what sovereignty is. Okay. Sovereignty doesn't

00:40:44.240 mean that you can't have other people around you doing things in your life and helping. You're not

00:40:50.780 relinquishing sovereignty by doing that. Cause if you were, if that were true, then Kip, I would be

00:40:56.140 relinquishing some of my sovereignty by having you in this podcast with me. Yeah. But am I, and we

00:41:01.900 would never get anything done because we don't have enough time to write. Or am I relinquishing my

00:41:06.700 sovereignty because Cody edits the podcast and he does a wonderful job and does a better job than me,

00:41:13.180 but because I'm not doing it. So I'm relinquishing my sovereignty. No, of course not. So guys,

00:41:20.220 we need sovereignty is a really cool word, but it's very often misunderstood. It's in fact,

00:41:27.660 a lot of people talk about this in the concept of the gospel, like how can you be a sovereign man,

00:41:31.820 but believe in God and give your life to Jesus because you voluntarily did that. And it helps you

00:41:36.940 to have the type of life that you want to have. So you're not relinquishing sovereignty. Sovereignty

00:41:44.060 is losing control. It's blindly following it's, it's being subjected to or enslaved in an extreme

00:41:52.780 circumstance to another person or party or organization. That's, that's what I'm talking

00:41:57.980 about. So for example, if you go into your debt up to your eyeballs and you can never get out from

00:42:03.580 under this debt, yes, you've relinquished some of your sovereignty, but who services the debt and who

00:42:09.260 decides like how much we're going to put towards this and this. And that's like, this is delegation.

00:42:16.060 Like what, if you thought that was the case, why in the world would any guy get married?

00:42:20.700 Like my experience being married has actually, that's been one of the greatest blessings of my

00:42:28.540 life. It's magnified my abilities to perform, not subjected me to her desires. Like it's actually

00:42:37.660 helped and magnified what I want to do. What were you going to say?

00:42:40.380 Yeah. Well, I was just going to ask in Nathan's example, how would you reword or not reword,

00:42:47.180 but how would you change his circumstance to represent him losing sovereignty?

00:42:53.260 In what way would it? Yeah. Like for instance, well, maybe I'll just try and you can tell me if

00:42:58.700 I'm on, on target here. So in Nathan's example of his wife doing budget, him, uh, not having

00:43:05.180 sovereignty would be blinders on his wife's doing the budget. He's completely unaware of anything.

00:43:11.980 He probably demonizes her, complains that it's done incorrectly, whatever it, but yet has no part

00:43:19.020 in what's going on and is a victim of her paying the bills and washed his hands of it. Would you say

00:43:25.100 in that example? Sure. Here's an even more tangible example. If you have to go to your wife and you have

00:43:32.620 to say, Hey hon, uh, I'd like to go out to the, to the game with the guys. And, um, can I get $50 to do

00:43:40.860 that? And she says, no, we're doing this and this and this. Okay. And then you leave with your tail

00:43:46.380 tucked between your legs. Okay. Yeah. You relinquish some of your sovereignty. Okay. Now

00:43:54.060 counter to that, I'm not saying that you can just go spend reckless. My wife doesn't have to call me if

00:43:59.020 she wants to make a hundred dollar purchase. Like she doesn't have to call me for that. Cause I trust

00:44:04.540 her. I don't have to call her. Now, if I'm going to make a $500 purchase, just out of respect,

00:44:10.620 I might say, Hey hon, um, you know, here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking about purchasing this

00:44:15.340 thing. Are you, are you good with that? Is there any things I need to be aware of or whatever?

00:44:19.260 And I'm not even asking for permission. I'm just kind of telling her, this is what I'm going to do.

00:44:23.740 And so like, get on board with it. And, and she would have to do the same thing. Like if she was going to

00:44:28.940 make a thousand dollar purchase, she would call me not because I've told her to, but she would call

00:44:33.900 me and say, Hey, uh, you know, I really need some new clothes for me and the kids. And, uh,

00:44:38.460 we're going to spend a thousand dollars, like anything I need to be aware of. Is that okay?

00:44:42.780 Are we all we're good. And I would say yes or no, depending on the situation that's out of respect.

00:44:48.460 Yeah. Yes. It's just a level of respect, but she's not asking me for my permission. I'm not asking

00:44:53.820 her for her permission. So yeah, if, and I'll hear this guy in the concept of guys going,

00:45:00.780 you know, like, Hey, uh, yeah, I'd really like to come hang out with you guys,

00:45:03.580 but my wife won't let me tonight because dot, that, that sovereignty issue.

00:45:08.860 Yeah. Now, if, if I said, Hey guys, I'd really like to come tonight, but my wife's been planning

00:45:13.580 this vacation for two weeks and she left. So I'm with the kids. I won't be able to make it tonight.

00:45:17.900 Not a sovereignty issue. You guys made that choice together. You you're staying with the kids.

00:45:23.660 It's not a sovereignty issue, but if you're begging and asking to do things from your wife,

00:45:27.740 yeah, you got issues that you need to work on. Yeah. Yeah. Now, how would you relate

00:45:34.220 this same exact conversation to presiding?

00:45:40.060 Can you be more specific with that question?

00:45:43.100 Yeah. I think there's a correlation between sovereignty and presiding in some way, right?

00:45:48.700 So if, if Nathan is in a, in a position where he's presiding, what does that budget now look like?

00:45:54.540 What does that managing the budget and the finances look like from the position of presiding,

00:45:59.740 not necessarily doing the work though? Yeah. So I'm, I'm a believer in the whole

00:46:04.940 idea and the concept of the buck stops here. So let's just hypothetically assume, and it doesn't

00:46:12.540 sound like this is the case, but let's assume that your wife is doing a horrible job. Yeah.

00:46:18.220 The bills aren't getting paid. The debt isn't being managed. You're going in the hole. No idea

00:46:24.300 where the money is and where it's going. None, none, no, no idea what's happening here.

00:46:29.340 That's a leadership issue. So you need to dial it in because the buck stops here. Who does it stop with?

00:46:35.900 The man. Yeah. Yep. You're the patriarch. You're the leader of the home.

00:46:41.500 And I know there's a lot of women listening. I know there's a lot of men listening. Some of you

00:46:44.860 are agreeing. Some of you are not. The deal is you're the man in the home because look,

00:46:48.940 when shit hits the fan, nobody ever turns to the woman. No one. Like when's the last time

00:46:56.940 somebody turned to a woman when things were dire? And it's not to be demeaning towards women. I'm just

00:47:04.220 saying we look to the man. And so if the financial house is out of order, it's your fault.

00:47:12.460 Well, but she does the thing. Yes. But it's also your responsibility. I wrote a couple of things here

00:47:17.740 as I was listening to your question. There's a couple of things that can't be outsourced.

00:47:22.620 Finances is one of them. Now that doesn't mean people can't help you. I don't do my own taxes.

00:47:29.500 I have an accountant, a CPA who does a wonderful job. He helps me with my taxes.

00:47:34.940 But if he gets it wrong, who has to pay? Not him, me. So if he's doing a crappy job,

00:47:40.860 guess whose fault that is? Mine. Cause I hired him and I need to probably fire him or get on the

00:47:46.700 same page and figure out what's going on. It's still my, my responsibility. The buck stops here.

00:47:52.540 Finance is one of them. Health. I can't have somebody else go do my pushups for me.

00:47:57.420 Like I can't eat like shit and then have somebody else eat all the celery and carrots and

00:48:03.900 salads and healthy food. And then I'll be healthy. Like you can't outsource that.

00:48:08.140 Yeah. But you can hire a coach.

00:48:10.140 Yeah. Or expect your coach to make you healthy, even though you're unwilling to follow the diet.

00:48:14.860 Right. Then that's what I'm saying. You hire a coach.

00:48:18.780 You buy a program, you buy a course that doesn't relinquish your sovereignty. It's just like,

00:48:23.180 no, I need some help in this. And actually it magnifies your sovereignty because you'll be in

00:48:27.180 more control of your life. If you're healthy, if you're financially successful, another one,

00:48:31.580 relationships. I can't outsource my relationships. Like I can't have somebody else call you Kip and

00:48:37.420 say, Hey, Ryan really misses you. And he hopes everything's going well for you. And he just

00:48:41.820 wants to be a good friend. That felt genuine for sure.

00:48:46.220 It's like you can't outsource, but I could have somebody help me manage it. I could have a program,

00:48:51.180 for example, that says, Hey, it's been a little while, uh, since you talked to Kip,

00:48:55.420 you might want to reach out to him. And then I, I have a good friend who does this in fact,

00:49:00.780 and I don't feel slighted in the least. In fact, I feel important. Jordan Harbinger,

00:49:04.540 the Jordan Harbinger podcast without fail, every, I would say, I don't know his schedule.

00:49:10.860 He's got it on a program or a calendar somewhere, obviously, but every two to three months I get a

00:49:15.260 message if I hadn't heard from her, or we haven't chatted beforehand. And he'll just say, Hey, Ryan,

00:49:19.420 I was just thinking about you. I hope all's going well. I ran across this cool thing. And it sounds

00:49:23.100 like something you'd be interested in or something that you would like. And it's like very simple.

00:49:26.860 I know for a fact that he's got a program or a software or a, or something in some database

00:49:35.340 where it's like, follow up with Ryan. Maybe it's even a person that says you haven't talked to Ryan

00:49:39.500 for a while. Follow up. I know that for a fact. Cause he's told me I don't feel slighted. I'm in

00:49:45.100 his program. I'm in his system. He makes the effort to go do it. You can't outsource it, but you can have

00:49:50.540 help. And that's what we're talking about here. You can't outside source your finances, but you can have

00:49:56.460 help managing it. In this case, your wife does a better job than you. That shouldn't,

00:50:00.620 that shouldn't make you feel like less of a man. In fact, you should feel more manly

00:50:04.540 because shit's getting done and you're not having to do it. So you've managed your resources

00:50:08.940 very, very well. I know it sounds cold to talk about your wife in the context of a resource,

00:50:15.340 how I'm saying it, but, but it is it's you're managing your resources very well to ensure that

00:50:21.180 the family is being managed correctly. And so you shouldn't feel like less of a man.

00:50:26.060 If it's getting done and it's getting done, right. You should feel more of a man because

00:50:31.420 the buck stops with you and it's getting done. Yeah. Just don't give up the ownership of yes,

00:50:38.780 it goes south. You continue to own it. Yeah. If it goes south and you're like, well, you,

00:50:43.900 you, you, your fault, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No, you managed your resources incorrectly.

00:50:49.500 You had somebody do it. Like I would, let's be frank here. I'm not going to give the finances

00:50:55.100 over to my wife because it wouldn't go as well as if I did it. That's our dining.

00:51:02.140 She probably knows that. She knows that. Of course she knows. She doesn't want to do it.

00:51:05.740 Why would she want to do that? She hates it. Okay. So I managed my resources correctly.

00:51:10.940 Now the cooking, I hate cooking. I don't want to cook. I don't want to think about it. I don't

00:51:15.420 want to read cookbooks. I don't want to spend time. I don't want to do any of that. I don't want to,

00:51:19.260 but everybody in the house needs to get fed. So here's what the deal is. I'll provide the food.

00:51:25.420 Either we'll go kill it or I'll pay for it. And then you prepare it for us. How's that sound?

00:51:31.260 Perfect. Good. Everybody wins sovereignty maintained masculinity intact. All is good.

00:51:41.260 Copy. All right. Jeremy Hall, one lesson you learned in 2020 that you want to carry into 2021,

00:51:46.940 professionally or personally?

00:51:50.700 One lesson that I want to learn.

00:51:52.940 Yeah. Or that I learned.

00:51:54.140 Anything stand out?

00:51:56.620 Um, 2020 was a very good year for us. So it's, I know it's been hard for a lot of people,

00:52:06.380 but I feel like, okay, here, here's, here's, here's a lesson. I hadn't even thought about it.

00:52:11.900 So you just said it. So we moved here about a year and a half, almost two years ago now,

00:52:18.220 about a year and a half.

00:52:19.020 Time flies, man. Time flies before COVID, before COVID was a thing or a consideration about six

00:52:25.740 to eight months before it was a thing. And we decided at the time that we're going to move to

00:52:30.700 Maine away from our house and our friends. And really the only thing that we've ever known for

00:52:36.300 20, 30 years, we're going to pull our kids out of the school system. We're going to start

00:52:41.740 homeschooling them. Like everything that we did, we had no idea why we did other than we wanted to

00:52:50.300 try something new. We wanted to do an adventure. We wanted all these things.

00:52:53.580 And that's a lot, all the same.

00:52:55.180 That's a lot. It was a big, audacious, crazy thing to do. And then COVID hits. And I just told

00:53:04.460 you 2020 was a very good year for us. It would not be the same if we were in Utah.

00:53:10.060 It would not be the same if I didn't take a few more intuitive risks. I say intuitive. I,

00:53:20.940 I say that deliberately the word choice that I would use just for my own personal

00:53:26.780 explanation of it would be divinely inspired

00:53:32.620 risks that my wife and I took in order to lead our family and do what we thought was in their best

00:53:36.700 interest. And because we took those made those choices and they weren't always rational,

00:53:43.580 they weren't always saying they weren't always well calculated or well thought out,

00:53:47.500 but they were divinely inspired set us up very, very nicely for 2020. And I have a sinking suspicion

00:53:57.100 that in 2021, they will continue to be the same. That's not to say we're not going to go without our

00:54:01.500 challenges. We will. But the lesson is this, there is a, there's a factor that's hard to quantify.

00:54:10.380 And for men who tend to be more analytical in nature, scientific, a lot of engineer types numbers,

00:54:16.380 guys, prove it, prove it to me, prove, show me, show me, show me the data. Show me where it is. Show me

00:54:21.980 prove that that's going to work. There's other factors at work guys. And you ignore those at your

00:54:31.100 own peril. If you can't take in all of the factors, the tangible ones and the intangible ones, and then

00:54:40.620 make your decisions based on everything, then you're leaving some important considerations

00:54:48.300 off the table that could actually lead you to a better place. And sometimes you won't always be

00:54:54.540 able to explain why. And you know what? It's okay. It's okay. Who do I need to explain it to?

00:55:03.340 I don't need to explain to you why I moved to Maine. I don't need to explain to you why we decided

00:55:07.660 to homeschool our children a year and a half ago. I don't need to explain anything to anybody,

00:55:12.700 except for maybe my wife and my children. So they understand what we're doing.

00:55:17.420 And then my creator, when I meet them in heaven someday, hopefully in heaven,

00:55:23.020 those are the only people I need to explain things to everybody else doesn't matter.

00:55:27.900 Really doesn't matter.

00:55:28.620 Which is interesting that we do that though. Like that's a human behavior to go like,

00:55:32.300 well, how do I explain this? Like it's almost innate for us to, I know, but it's, it's interesting

00:55:37.980 how we, I don't know how that's just kind of a standard.

00:55:41.260 We don't want to feel bad. We don't want to make people feel bad. Like Kip, for example,

00:55:44.700 if you called me up and you're like, and I was in your area and you said, Hey, will you help me

00:55:48.940 move this weekend? I'd be like, Oh no, I can't because right. Like, why do we need to say that?

00:55:54.300 Why can't you just say, I can't, no, I can't this weekend, Kip. Thanks.

00:55:56.780 I don't want you. Good luck. No, that sounds miserable. Good luck. But you motor my truck.

00:56:01.580 You can have a truck if you want for the weekend. That's not fun. Why would I help you?

00:56:12.780 I mean, it's good to be charitable of course, but, uh, but you get the point is like,

00:56:17.740 actually this ties in nicely. I know you're the master of segues on this, uh, this podcast,

00:56:22.300 but I'm gonna throw one out here in the iron council. We're talking about being, uh, being a

00:56:28.060 nice guy. And we're using the book, Robert Glover's book, no more, Mr. Nice guy. So nice

00:56:32.060 guys will have a tendency to try to over explain and justify everything. And somebody who's not a

00:56:38.140 nice guy, I'm not saying they aren't nice or kind. I'm saying they're not a nice guy. Understand

00:56:43.340 the difference. There is a difference. We all know what it is. So don't pretend you don't.

00:56:47.340 Uh, a nice guy wouldn't feel the need to justify every decision he makes.

00:56:52.140 Yeah. Cause he's not trying to appease everybody all the time. Yeah. Yes. Because he doesn't,

00:56:59.180 it doesn't matter. It's not a factor. Now there's certain people I would want to explain myself a

00:57:03.820 little bit more to, but for the most part, it's like, I don't, I don't have to justify or rationalize

00:57:08.460 what I do to you, a stranger. I don't, I don't have any need to do that or to, or to appease your

00:57:14.060 own ego or your own sense of worth. That's on you, not on me. Yeah. I like it. All right.

00:57:20.620 Stephen Hunt, kids and adults have a negative connotation around being a try hard. By the way,

00:57:26.060 I've, I've never heard this term before, so you may want to explain it for those centers.

00:57:29.500 Try hard. Two examples. Yeah. Being a try hard. He says two examples. I coach you sports and have

00:57:35.420 had teammates make fun of other players for being a try hard as a coach. I wish all my players would

00:57:40.540 try to do the best all the time. Secondly, compared that to a guy trying to talk to a girl or building

00:57:47.100 a friendship, can you try too hard to gain others approval? What's the difference between

00:57:52.380 being a try hard and trying your hardest at something, whether relationships or skill related

00:57:57.420 activities? Is it just a cultural problem or is there such a thing as trying too hard?

00:58:04.140 Yeah. I mean, we might get into semantics a little bit here. I I've heard the term try hard

00:58:07.980 and a try hard is somebody who might be just to look good.

00:58:10.700 Yeah. Or like a brown noser, maybe a little bit. Okay. You know, I think that when somebody says

00:58:16.380 that, I think that's what they're doing. So the really, the only distinguishing factor here,

00:58:20.140 and it doesn't really matter what you word you use, pick your word, but let's words are important,

00:58:24.540 but the meanings of the words are actually more important and the context in which they're shared.

00:58:29.100 So if I, cause look, you guys could take all sorts of things out of context in this podcast.

00:58:33.660 I might've said something about women earlier about the relationship I have with my wife. And if you took

00:58:38.620 it out of context, it might make me sound like a misogynist or a horrible human being. But if you

00:58:44.460 use it in the context of what I was saying, then it's not as bad. Same thing with, uh, our founders,

00:58:50.860 you know, this happens a lot. Oh, our founders were racist and yes. And I'm not saying it's right.

00:58:56.300 I'm just saying that everybody was a racist 250. Everybody was a racist 250 years ago. It doesn't make it

00:59:03.820 right. It's just the context. And we've moved a long way from where we were 250 years ago.

00:59:10.380 Right? So I say that as a, as a, as a, uh, just a bit of a forewarning for what I'm going to share

00:59:18.700 with you here is that with, with being a try hard, it's really about your motive.

00:59:23.500 The motive is important. So when you say, Steven says, can you try too hard?

00:59:32.540 It depends on what you mean by try hard. Are you saying try hard for yourself? Like I want to be

00:59:38.540 the best podcaster. I want to be the best husband, or I want to do this and I want to excel. Can you

00:59:44.060 try too hard? No, I don't. I don't think so. But if you're saying, can I try too hard to gain the

00:59:54.220 acceptance and approval of others and make sure that they like me and get them to notice and

00:59:59.500 acknowledge me, then absolutely. You can try too hard and compromise my values and who I am as a

01:00:05.500 person and lose my identity in the attempt of being liked by someone. Of course. Yeah.

01:00:11.820 So I think you ought to go to your motives, but look, I mean, the reason that somebody would call

01:00:16.300 somebody a try hard, if their motives appear, it's the crab in the bucket mentality. And you

01:00:22.220 just hit on it right now. Everybody's heard the analogy. It's like, if one crab starts to crawl out

01:00:27.100 of the bucket, the other crabs will literally grab it and pull it down out of the bucket because it

01:00:32.060 doesn't want it to escape. That's what you might be running into. If you have one kid on your team

01:00:38.140 or a handful that are excelling, the ones who aren't excelling rather than trying to excel

01:00:44.700 and exert themselves, they'll mock and they'll poke and they'll ridicule and they'll make fun of

01:00:50.700 the one who's excelling. So it's your job as a coach to inoculate a young man or woman against

01:00:57.660 that mentality by saying, Hey, you know what, Timmy, I see you. I see you every day. You get here early.

01:01:07.420 You're the last one to leave. Every time you get on the field, you're running, you're cheering for

01:01:12.700 other people. You're trying as hard as you can. And I want you to know, I acknowledge that and that

01:01:18.060 will serve you for the rest of your life. I also know a little Timmy that people don't like you

01:01:25.260 because of that. And they poke at you and they mock you and they ridicule. And I want you to know

01:01:30.860 that that too is a sign that you're doing the right thing. So you could use that as an excuse to

01:01:40.540 be less than you're capable of, or you could acknowledge it for a little bit of feedback

01:01:45.420 that says you're on the right path. We don't place ourselves above other people.

01:01:50.460 You're not doing it to boost up your own pride, but you know, you're capable of something more.

01:01:55.500 And that's why you try so hard. And when these guys give you a hard time,

01:01:58.700 it's because they have inadequacies in themselves, not in you. It's your job to explain that because

01:02:05.500 kids don't know that kids are dickheads. And the other ones who aren't are a little bit ignorant

01:02:11.660 and naive and tender. And it's our job as men to, I don't want to use the word harden.

01:02:19.180 That's why I like the word inoculate. We want to inoculate them against

01:02:24.060 the tendencies of human beings to be miserable to each other.

01:02:28.220 Yeah. And what a beautiful lesson, right? Like the example you just gave, if you can get a kid to

01:02:33.340 realize that and they can latch onto that and make that a way of being as they get older,

01:02:40.140 oh my goodness. Like what's possible, you know, anything.

01:02:44.860 And also, you know, that you have an opportunity to teach your other kids who aren't excelling to

01:02:48.940 that level, the same thing. Now you got to be careful because you could actually throw a little

01:02:53.020 Timmy under the bus by saying, why can't you be all like little Timmy? Yeah. Yeah. Now you just

01:02:58.860 teed them up. Yeah. But you can acknowledge not just Timmy, but even look, if you can find something

01:03:06.460 good, something right, some, some behavior, even if it's just a little glimpse in the guy who's got

01:03:13.740 an attitude and you acknowledge it, what do you think that kid with the attitude is going to do

01:03:17.340 next time? He's going to do it even better next time. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. One of my favorite,

01:03:22.700 I don't even know who the quote was. I think it's Stephen Covey. He says that, you know,

01:03:25.500 you want to change the behavior of a person, change their role. And I mean, I think there's a little bit

01:03:30.060 of that is it's, it's giving trust to someone. It's, it's letting them know that you believe in

01:03:35.500 them in a unique way. And a lot of people will shift and they'll kind of rise to the occasion.

01:03:39.900 I think that actually happens in, in belt promotions and jujitsu where I really, you guys get promoted

01:03:46.860 and they're like, all right, like somebody believes, switch turns. I'm now blue. I got to act like one,

01:03:53.980 you know, and then they rise to the occasion. So, yeah, I, I have a, I, there's a soft spot in my

01:03:59.740 heart and there aren't many, but there's a soft spot in my heart for, I'm telling you, man, for

01:04:04.460 coaches, no, seriously for youth coaches, man. I mean, what do you say about these people? Like

01:04:13.980 they give up time away from their own families, from their own activities. And they engage with other

01:04:19.360 kids who aren't their own, who are going through the, there might be something you say,

01:04:23.720 you get in a little kid's face, not in a, not in a bad way, but you get in a little kid's face

01:04:27.320 and you say something to him and just use just the right word or just the right inflection,

01:04:33.780 or, or you give them just the right look. And he's never experienced that before. Not at home,

01:04:39.800 not at school. Everybody else thinks he's a loser. His parents are losers. His dad's not around his

01:04:45.800 mom's, you know, an alcohol, whatever, whatever the things he's dealing with. You don't know what he's

01:04:50.260 dealing with. And you might just say one little thing. How do I know? Because somebody did it for

01:04:55.780 me. One little thing. And it completely changes their life because you were around. That's an

01:05:03.780 incredible power. And I think we, as men ought to utilize it a little bit more than we currently do.

01:05:10.340 We get so wrapped up in our own things. And man, that's one area that I really,

01:05:15.320 really enjoy turning outwards. It's very powerful. Yeah. And you saying that reminds me why it's so

01:05:22.180 important for coaches to keep, to keep kids in sports. You know, I I'm thinking about the,

01:05:29.300 that same young kid that might be playing football and he's learning this stuff from his coaches.

01:05:34.120 And then he, he stops playing because, you know, it wasn't enjoyable or you know what I mean? He

01:05:42.020 wasn't getting the feedback. And so as important as that coaching is, it's also important that these

01:05:46.900 boys kind of stay in too. And that's one of the, the, the challenges of a coaches making it

01:05:54.000 rewarding enough that they want to come back, you know, that we don't drive them so hard that they

01:05:59.600 just want to quit either. Right. And so I, I at least struggled with that in the past of how do I

01:06:04.420 push these kids in a way to get better, but also so they enjoy the sport. They, they feel fulfilled by

01:06:11.120 playing the game at the same time. Yeah. And I think every little, every little athlete you have

01:06:16.760 is a little bit different. You know, I've had in the years that I've coached football and baseball

01:06:21.320 is I've had some tremendous athletes who I feel like I can push a little bit harder because their

01:06:26.960 resolve to win and compete and strive is a little bit more strengthened than another. So I feel like I

01:06:33.920 can push on that individual a little bit more. And then I might have somebody who, in fact, I know

01:06:38.460 I've had kids come out and the, the, the moms have approached me and said, he's never played

01:06:45.160 baseball before. He only plays video games. His dad's not around. He doesn't have very many friends

01:06:51.460 and I'm not going to ride that kid. Like I would the all-star athlete. Yeah. And in fact, I'm going

01:06:56.640 to encourage the all-star athletes to put my, put his arm around that kid and say, Hey, let me show

01:07:01.580 you a couple of things, you know, cause it's sometimes more powerful coming from his peer than coming

01:07:06.200 from me, but you have to know your people, right? You have to know this guy I can push

01:07:10.580 in this particular way. And this guy, I just need to make sure he has a good time and he connects

01:07:16.340 discomfort with confidence and overcoming and being proud of himself. He, I have to make that

01:07:22.360 part of a team is, is, is his goal. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. All right. One more question.

01:07:28.980 You go, let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. All right. Joshua King in a sales role. Would you,

01:07:33.220 would hiring a personal coach be a smart decision at what point in your career? If so,

01:07:38.360 I hear as I hear on many podcasts, how valuable they can be to help improve the conversation rate

01:07:43.960 and other goal areas, but would you, but would like to hear both of your thoughts. Thank you guys.

01:07:49.140 Love the podcast movement. Sorry. I, I'm not sure if I slaughtered it or if it was odd to read there.

01:07:53.420 So no, I think, I think I got it. Um, he, he was talking about just when is the best time to get a

01:07:58.380 sales coach? Look, here's the thing. You're going to have situations where you might have a formal coach,

01:08:03.120 and other, excuse me, situations where it might just be informal. Like you're listening to a

01:08:08.360 particular podcast. Maybe it's Andy Frisilla's podcast or Ed Milet or any number of podcasts on

01:08:13.260 business and sales, Grant Cardone, that sort of thing. Uh, and that's an indirect coach. You might

01:08:18.080 read a book, you might buy a course, you might subscribe to emails and you should always be

01:08:22.260 doing that. Always be doing that. There isn't a time where you shouldn't be doing that. Um, and then

01:08:26.840 there comes a time where it's time to step it up and to ramp it up a little bit and invest a little

01:08:31.220 bit of money. I wouldn't say so much money that it breaks you, but you have to be uncomfortable.

01:08:36.660 Again, this is about discomfort. You're never going to improve. When I hired my first coaches

01:08:41.260 in my financial planning practice. In fact, I was very, very uncomfortable.

01:08:46.760 And uncomfortable, meaning you were investing a lot of money and it caused a lot of, uh, not stress

01:08:53.900 stress and action. And you want to take more action than normal probably because of, because I invested

01:09:00.580 all this money. Yeah. I mean, I didn't have, I think it was $10,000 or maybe it was six. I can't

01:09:06.540 exactly remember at this point, but I invested thousands of dollars just to go and to be like,

01:09:11.960 to have a ticket to this particular event. I didn't have that money. And I did it anyways,

01:09:17.460 because it was a little bit outside of my comfort zone. I felt like it was a good thing. He,

01:09:22.160 the guy that I went to, he came highly recommended from a trusted source. So I said, okay, well,

01:09:27.520 like, let's give this a try. And worst case scenario, I'm out $2,000 and that's not a great

01:09:31.620 place to be, but I can make that up. And, and it ended up working out very, very well for me.

01:09:36.860 And then I continually invest from that point forward. That was probably my real first large

01:09:43.100 investment into coaching and mentoring. Uh, and every time I do it, it's just a little bit more and a

01:09:49.720 little bit more and a little bit more. And then I go back and evaluate and without fail,

01:09:53.440 everything that I've honestly invested in, and I've given it my sincere effort towards

01:09:59.880 implementing the things that have been advised. It always pays huge dividends for me. So I can't

01:10:07.160 give you a number. I can't say when you're making a hundred thousand dollars, you should be doing this

01:10:11.160 much, but once your basic needs are met, I mean, I would, I would legitimately consider investing

01:10:17.480 10 to 20% of your revenue into coaching. That's just a business expense for me at this point. It's

01:10:25.440 like, no, it's, it's that important that I spend 10 to 20% of the revenue back into the business,

01:10:32.660 not via Facebook and ads and all that, no, into investing in myself to run the business correctly.

01:10:39.780 This is not the day-to-day operations like hiring an accountant or hiring that no in myself. How do I

01:10:45.520 market? How do I do public speaking? How do I build up sales? How do I book better guests? That sort of

01:10:51.520 thing. Yeah, totally. When it's, and we've talked about this in the past, but it's, it's interesting

01:10:58.120 how the, the value and the commitment that we put on something based upon how much we're willing to

01:11:04.360 sacrifice for it. Right. It's like, you know, I I'm, I'm assuming that if in the examples that

01:11:09.680 you gave, if that coaching was kind of cheap and it was like, nah, not a big deal, you probably

01:11:14.780 wouldn't have done all the things that they told you to do. And then you'd walk away going, yeah,

01:11:18.520 that didn't really help. Yeah. Right. Because you weren't, you weren't invested. Like you weren't,

01:11:22.720 you weren't putting some skin in the game enough to drive action on your part. Right. It's also,

01:11:28.840 and, and you said it was cheap. So cheap, expensive, those are all subjective and relative terms.

01:11:35.420 So you're, you're cheap is different than somebody else's cheap. So like, I never wanted to come

01:11:42.120 across as like, you should be spending $10,000 a month on this thing. I don't know if you can spend

01:11:46.020 $10,000 a month or a thousand or a hundred. I don't know. Maybe $10 is a lot to you. Who am I to say

01:11:51.600 it isn't? I don't know. Yeah, totally. All I'm saying is that it's a little bit of a cart before the

01:11:56.960 horse mentality. Like you think, oh, once I get sales, then I can hire a coach. That's backwards.

01:12:03.920 Once you get the instruction again, whether it's directly or indirectly, that will increase your

01:12:10.220 sales. So make sure you get it right in the right order. You have to, you have to learn the

01:12:16.200 information before you apply it. If you apply it, you actually might get lucky. And I have at times,

01:12:23.260 and that's nice. There is a danger in getting lucky though. The danger in getting lucky is that

01:12:30.380 you believe you're good at it. Yeah. It has nothing to do with that. It just means you got

01:12:36.860 lucky. Yeah. If we were to go back to jujitsu, for example, if, if I were to catch a brown belt

01:12:42.620 in some like weird move that maybe he's never seen. And I saw it this one time on YouTube and I tried it

01:12:49.160 and it was this really obscure thing that nobody has seen. And I just like caught him. I'd be like,

01:12:53.460 hell yeah, I'm good at this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't confuse. You're, you're not,

01:12:59.480 you got lucky. You need to be able to remove yourself from the results. It's not that you're

01:13:04.900 good at it. It just means you're lucky. Get the right coaching, get the right information. So you

01:13:10.060 don't have to rely upon luck. You rely on years and years, potentially even thousands of years.

01:13:15.740 Cause that's how old books are thousands of years of information of getting it right and trying and,

01:13:21.240 and failing and learning and growing and get it right. And then go perform and evolve from there.

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Order of Man - December 09, 2020

When to End Your Employment, How to Start Investing, and When to Look for a Coach ｜ ASK ME ANYTHING

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