Order of Man - September 18, 2020


Why "Following Your Passion" is Bad Advice | FRIDAY FIELD NOTES


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25 minutes

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196.95032

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4,977

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341


Summary

In this episode, Ryan talks about the importance of finding your passion, and why it's not about finding your purpose. It's about stepping into your purpose, and discovering your purpose in life, and stepping out of your comfort zone.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears, and boldly chart
00:00:04.980 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.
00:00:10.420 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who
00:00:17.220 you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,
00:00:22.780 you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler,
00:00:27.800 and I am the host and the founder of this movement and the order of man podcast. Welcome here.
00:00:33.400 I want to cut through all the BS today. I want to cut through the ads and through the
00:00:37.060 intro. You guys all know what we're doing. If you are new, you can go back and listen to other
00:00:41.860 podcasts. Just make sure you subscribe, leave a rating and review, all that kind of stuff.
00:00:45.680 All right. I want to talk with you about something very important today, because
00:00:49.160 this is something that I hear a lot from men. I know a lot of guys are struggling and what
00:00:53.920 they're struggling with is finding their passion, finding their passion. There's a lot of men out
00:01:00.200 there who are very, very unhappy with their current work, their current employment, their current life,
00:01:04.780 their current job. If you're anything like me, there, there was a point in my life where I just
00:01:10.200 felt like, you know what? There's something more for me. I'm, I'm, I'm made for something more than
00:01:16.260 what I'm currently doing. And I know a lot of you listening feel very much the same way.
00:01:20.560 And so you've adopted this idea, the notion that you should find and follow your passion.
00:01:28.680 I think there's danger in that. Maybe not danger, but I just think it's a misguided idea. I don't
00:01:33.440 think the idea of following your passion or finding your passion is serving you. It's very passive,
00:01:38.700 right? When I hear find your, find your passion. What, what I think is that at some point in your life,
00:01:47.880 it will just miraculously show up that you'll be, you know, walking down the road or engaged in your
00:01:55.560 work or doing whatever it is you do. And the clouds will part and the light will shine through
00:02:00.820 and the angels will sing hallelujah. And everything about your path moving forward will be conveniently
00:02:07.820 laid out before you. And that when you find your passion, everything will begin to fall into place.
00:02:13.480 Now it has not been my experience in my life. And I can attest to that for other very, very
00:02:19.600 successful men that it hasn't been that way either. And I think when we buy into the notion
00:02:25.080 of the finding your passion, we think that just because we may at some point find something we're
00:02:31.000 excited about, that it should be easy. And what ends up happening is if the path is, is anything but
00:02:37.820 easy. And it will be even things you're excited about, the path is not easy. It's not comfortable
00:02:42.360 that it must not be right. And so what guys do was they'll throw in the towel.
00:02:48.340 They'll be pursuing something, a podcast or, or a side business or a, or a hustle, if you will.
00:02:54.540 And they'll realize, you know what, like this is hard and it's challenging and, and there's ups and
00:02:59.940 downs and there's the roller coaster of running a business and, and trying to grow a business.
00:03:04.260 And because there's so many ups and downs and so many hardships, they'll think, well,
00:03:11.620 it must not be right. And I believe that that is one of the greatest dangers with the follow your
00:03:18.500 passion crowd. If you want more information on this, I would definitely look into Cal Newport's
00:03:24.720 work. One book is so good. They can't ignore you. And the other is deep work. He's got other works as
00:03:31.160 well, but those two books will help illustrate and communicate a little more in depth about what
00:03:35.460 I'm talking about. Guys, finding your passion isn't a passive strategy. It isn't one day you're
00:03:42.260 just going to be walking down the road and everything's going to miraculously work out for
00:03:45.280 you. What I would suggest is that if you are feeling like you're meant and almost destined,
00:03:53.560 like I felt for something more in your life, then it isn't about finding your passion or discovering
00:03:59.140 your life's purpose or your, your meaning for being on this spinning rock. It's about stepping
00:04:05.080 into some curiosity. That's it. And I know that isn't as sexy. I know that doesn't sound as great.
00:04:13.060 I know it doesn't, uh, conjure up any sort of, you know, grand vision for what your life is supposed
00:04:18.480 to look like. But I'm telling you, if you're curious about something or even remotely interested
00:04:23.320 in something, then you ought to explore it. You owe it to yourself to explore what that interest is.
00:04:31.220 So if it's picking up a guitar, uh, I had a guy reach out just last week. I think I mentioned it
00:04:36.420 on the ask me anything that he, uh, does ice sculptures, which is kind of a unique and interesting
00:04:42.280 thing to be interested in. Uh, whether it's photography or building websites or starting a
00:04:48.140 podcast or getting into mechanics or learning how to hunt or whatever, learning how to paint,
00:04:54.100 whatever the thing is that you're even feeling remotely curious about or interested in just take
00:05:01.340 one step guys. All right. So if you're the kind of guy who's listening to this and you're like,
00:05:05.440 man, I just know, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, I am meant for something more.
00:05:10.660 And you're wondering how to find it. Cause that is one of the questions I get quite often is how do I
00:05:15.480 find my passion? You step into something that you're interested in. That's it.
00:05:22.440 There isn't any other answer that I can give you. You just step into something, one step into
00:05:27.920 something that you're interested in. Let me give you a little bit of backstory with order of man.
00:05:32.060 I was doing a podcast for my financial planning practice. This was six, seven years ago now.
00:05:39.420 And I thought, you know, this would be a great way for me to, uh, market and promote my,
00:05:45.140 my services and this new digital media that, uh, I had become aware of other people were doing it,
00:05:52.260 but nothing like I wanted to do. Uh, and I started by buying a, like an $80 microphone.
00:05:59.300 The blue Yeti is what it was called. And I recorded basically the first conversation that
00:06:06.440 I would have with new financial planning prospects. And then I would burn it onto CDs. And so I had,
00:06:11.500 uh, some professional pictures taken. That was me, you know, a little bit heavier without the beard.
00:06:16.400 That was my, my life back then. I had these pictures taken and then I had a designer put
00:06:22.480 together, you know, the logo and the image and everything else. And then I printed them on,
00:06:27.020 uh, CD stickers. So I went to Best Buy or wherever I went, Office Max, something like that.
00:06:34.260 And I bought a bunch of CDs and I, uh, recorded basically my first presentation to a potential
00:06:42.480 prospect on, onto these CDs. And so I burned them onto the CDs. I printed out the labels,
00:06:48.000 stuck the labels on the CDs, and I would hand these out to people. That was my first introduction
00:06:52.760 to ever getting behind a microphone and sharing a message digitally like I am today. And then I
00:06:58.580 thought, well, man, this is actually working. People were handing it around and people were coming
00:07:02.280 in and I didn't have to sell them on why they should work with me because they had already gone
00:07:05.440 through that. And anybody who came in or reached out to me, uh, had already known a little bit what,
00:07:09.480 uh, what I was about. And I thought, well, okay, I'll do a podcast. You know, I like listening to
00:07:15.160 podcasts. It sounds kind of interesting to me. And, uh, I recorded roughly 20 episodes of a podcast
00:07:21.500 called Wealth Anatomy, which was a podcast designed to give medical professionals. So I had physicians,
00:07:30.760 physicians, chiropractors, veterinarians, dentists, the information they needed to build wealth and
00:07:36.480 pay off debt and secure, secure their finances. And I thought to myself, you know, no self-respecting,
00:07:43.920 highly educated, intelligent doctor is ever going to reach out to me because they happen to hear some
00:07:51.220 guy on a podcast. And I'll never forget it. There was a pediatric, uh, pediatric physician from,
00:07:58.300 uh, Pennsylvania. And he reaches out to me and he says, Hey, um, he calls my office. He says, Hey,
00:08:04.720 I need a disability insurance. And I said, okay, well, that's, you know, something we can certainly
00:08:09.140 help you with. That's one of the things that we do. And tell me a little bit about what you're
00:08:12.700 looking for and how I can help. And he rattles off a list to me of all of the features that he
00:08:20.380 needed with his disability insurance. Now, I don't know about you, but most people don't know
00:08:25.440 anything about disability insurance. So for this doctor to, uh, give me a laundry list of items
00:08:33.400 or features that he needed within his disability insurance was, uh, was unique. It was, it was
00:08:40.000 unique to say the least. And I asked him, I said, you know, most doctors don't really know this much
00:08:46.800 about disability insurance. It sounds like you're pretty well versed. Have you been researching? Have
00:08:50.800 you been shopping around? And he said, and this, this is the thing I'll never, this was a light bulb
00:08:55.800 moment for me. He said, no, no, I just listened to your podcast about disability insurance. And I just
00:09:00.580 wrote down everything that I needed. And, uh, so I figured I'd just give you a call and have you help
00:09:04.680 me with it. And that to me was like a switch, like, oh my goodness, this podcasting thing actually
00:09:11.880 works. This is a great marketing strategy. So I did the podcast, like I said, about 20, 25 episodes and
00:09:19.560 realized fairly quickly that I love the medium of podcasting. I love doing what I'm doing now.
00:09:24.480 I loved having the interviews. It was just a very fascinating thing for me, but I didn't want to
00:09:29.880 continue to have that same conversation that I've been having over the past roughly, you know, nine,
00:09:34.760 10 years at that point. So I decided along the way that I was very interested in the concept of
00:09:39.780 masculinity. Not that I wanted to eventually build order of man or some, you know, sort of global
00:09:45.580 organization that would help hundreds of thousands, if not millions of men across the planet,
00:09:49.560 which is what we're doing now. That wasn't my intention. That wasn't my quote unquote passion.
00:09:55.120 I just wanted to have good conversations with men that I admired and respected.
00:10:00.900 And I thought, man, this would be like free coaching for me. Cause I was very interested
00:10:04.960 in becoming a better father, a more engaged husband, obviously running my financial planning
00:10:11.200 practice and business at the time. I was very interested in that. And I thought, man, there's
00:10:14.880 these men that I admire and respect. I can have, I can do a podcast and interview these
00:10:19.720 guys, but what would be in it for them? Well, I guess I could do a podcast and just broadcast
00:10:25.120 our conversation. So it'd be like one-on-one coaching for me. I was the biggest recipient
00:10:30.240 of this. And then in exchange, I would broadcast it to an audience that, you know, frankly,
00:10:35.400 I didn't have at that time. I think our first podcast we ever did with, with order of man
00:10:40.580 had, it must've had less than a hundred downloads for that, for that podcast.
00:10:47.780 And I realized very, very quickly, I was onto something, you know, it took me six or seven
00:10:53.120 months to start making any sort of money doing the podcast order of man podcast. That is,
00:10:58.020 I was still doing my financial planning practice, but like I said, I wasn't searching for a passion.
00:11:02.260 That wasn't what order of man was all about. People will think that, Oh, well, you're so
00:11:06.900 lucky. You found this thing that you're passionate about guys. I wasn't passionate about it. It was
00:11:11.820 just interesting to me. And it was selfish. Quite honestly, I just wanted to improve my own life.
00:11:17.580 So I did this podcast. And again, very quickly realized we were onto something. We grew the Facebook
00:11:23.200 group and social media accounts were growing and men were really resonating with what it is we were
00:11:27.480 doing, which I did not fully anticipate or expect. My wife comes to me. This was about five or six
00:11:34.780 months into the order of man journey, which at the time was just a hobby. And she said, you know,
00:11:41.320 Ryan, I really appreciate what you're doing with order of man. It seems like you're happy and you're
00:11:45.380 fulfilled. And it seems like it's exciting and fulfilling to you. But in all reality, you're doing
00:11:53.060 less of your financial planning practice and more of order of man. And you know, it's detracting from
00:11:58.660 our family household income. And she wasn't wrong. It was detracting from the income. And I, and she,
00:12:04.760 and she said to me, I remember this vividly. She said, so I w I would think you probably either need
00:12:10.380 to scale it back so you can focus on your financial planning practice or find a way to make some money.
00:12:14.820 And I remember saying to her, well, I'm not, I'm not scaling this back. If anything, I'm doubling
00:12:21.680 down again, not following my passion, just the next step. What can I do to take this to the next
00:12:27.700 level? So I was listening to a podcast. I think it was with Pat Flynn. And I can't remember who his
00:12:34.400 guest was, but they were talking about starting a course. And that's what I did. I started the iron
00:12:40.040 council at that time. This was in November of 2015. So it must've been about six, seven months after we
00:12:44.680 had launched the order of men podcast. Again, the next step, that's all it is guys. No passion here.
00:12:50.820 Just like the next step. What do you do? So I started this, I invited, or I had 12 open spots.
00:12:57.620 I charged a hundred dollars and we filled up those spots overnight. I had a thousand guys in our
00:13:02.360 Facebook group, filled it up overnight. And again, light bulb moment for me. Oh my goodness. Like I can
00:13:08.140 actually make money. It wasn't a lot of money. It was $1,200, right? But I can actually make money
00:13:14.580 doing this another light bulb moment for me. We get about 60 days into our 90 day iron council
00:13:21.280 program. And the guys are like, what's next? What's next? What's next? I'm like, well, I don't
00:13:25.240 know. I guess we can just open it up indefinitely. And we got to about 80 to a hundred members very,
00:13:30.400 very quickly when we opened it up very quickly. And not long after I ended up thinking about selling
00:13:39.660 my financial planning practice, which was never on my radar guys. I had six figures of revenue coming
00:13:45.720 in each and every year before I even woke up before my fit, the feet hit the ground. I had this revenue
00:13:53.520 coming in. So I wasn't about to walk away from six figures of residual income. That was a ludicrous
00:14:01.940 thought at the time. But as order of man continued to grow when I was making a thousand dollars a month
00:14:08.940 and then 2000 and then 3000, I was like, Hmm, you know, this is becoming more viable again, not
00:14:14.660 following my passion, just taking steps at a time. A lot of you guys know this story.
00:14:21.680 We had the iron council up to about 80 to a hundred members. And I woke up one evening and I thought to
00:14:25.560 myself, you know, and it was the middle of the night. I thought, man, wouldn't it be great if I could get
00:14:31.460 a group of guys here locally or, or at least bring them in and we could have, you know, a three,
00:14:38.200 four day weekend and we can do activities and we can challenge each other and push each other and
00:14:44.040 just have the camaraderie and the accountability and have some fun. Well, I wake up the next morning
00:14:48.380 because I had written this down that night before I went back to sleep. And I was still excited about
00:14:53.940 it. So I started doing some research on, on getting a cabin in, in the area in Southern Utah,
00:14:59.700 in which we were. And I found this really cool place. And I remember I called the guy up. He had
00:15:04.340 just bought the cabin and it was perfect for what we needed. It had a big cabin and they had
00:15:08.460 individual bunk houses and it was perfect for what we needed. So I, uh, I called the guy up,
00:15:16.000 tell him what I'm doing and tell him I want to secure the property for the weekend. And, uh,
00:15:22.020 I was going to put a sizable deposit down. He said, great, you know, here, here's how much it'll cost.
00:15:25.700 And this will reserve your spot for the next couple of months. And I said, great. So here's what we're going to do.
00:15:29.320 So I wired in the money or whatever I did at the point. And, um, we get about three weeks out from
00:15:35.040 this event because I was all hopped up on this and not a single person had signed up, not a single
00:15:42.440 one, no one as in nobody paid me any money. And I just remember thinking, man, what did you do?
00:15:48.940 So I call this guy out who owns the property and said, look, I don't have anybody signed up. He's
00:15:53.100 like, no one. I said, yeah, no one. I have nobody signed up. And he says, man, that's too bad.
00:15:58.960 Well, you're going to lose your deposit. That was his response. I said, hold on, hold on,
00:16:03.660 hold on. Will you work with me? Well, he had just, like I said, he had just bought the property. So
00:16:08.700 he's trying to build it up and trying to build it into this like destination Airbnb spot. And he says,
00:16:12.920 yeah, I'll work with you. And I said, what I'd like to do is just bump this out, you know, 60,
00:16:18.160 90 days and, uh, you keep my deposit, but will you apply it to an event that I do in 60 to 90 days?
00:16:24.800 And he said, yeah, you know, we're going to be in the season at that point. So it's going to be a
00:16:28.760 little bit more expensive, but yes, I will apply your deposit towards that event. I went back to
00:16:35.120 the drawing board. I identified our selling proposition. I learned a little bit better
00:16:41.300 how to market this thing. And I went to work and I filled that, that second event up with 20 guys.
00:16:46.760 We call ourselves the terrible 20. In fact, I still got a big blown up picture of the 20 guys who
00:16:51.760 first came to our event, 19 other guys and myself. And, uh, I've got that picture in the
00:16:56.540 barn to play on pay homage to, to the 20 guys who believed in me when they didn't have to
00:17:00.180 guys. I didn't know it was going to go that direction. So we continue to build the iron
00:17:04.760 council. We continue to build out this event. We do other events. And like, there's so many
00:17:09.160 wonderful opportunities that have presented themselves over the past five years that quite
00:17:13.500 frankly, I never would have imagined, uh, or even taken a step into if I was out there
00:17:18.160 looking for my passion. Like I didn't know that my passion was to equip you, the men who
00:17:23.200 are listening with the tools and resources and conversations that you need to thrive as
00:17:28.140 husbands and fathers and leaders within your homes and communities and business owners and
00:17:32.840 employees and all of the things that you're doing. I didn't know that was my passion.
00:17:36.760 I didn't even know that was an option. So if I was out there searching for my passion,
00:17:42.640 it's likely that I would have continued in my financial planning practice. Well, things got so busy
00:17:47.740 with order of man that I eventually reached out to a friend of mine. And I said, this is a gentleman
00:17:51.920 that I got into the business, the financial planning business at the same time as me. And I said,
00:17:55.800 Hey, look, Greg, um, I'm really interested in selling my financial planning practice. Would you
00:18:00.340 be interested in buying it? And he said, yes, I would be interested in buying it. And so him and I had
00:18:05.280 multiple conversations and discussions, and we worked out the negotiations and the selling price and
00:18:09.740 everything else. And I ended up selling my financial planning practice. And this was about two years,
00:18:15.420 roughly, maybe a little longer into what we were doing with order of man. And since that day,
00:18:21.160 you know, I've been full-time with order of man. People ask me that all the time. What's your,
00:18:25.500 what's your other job? This is my only job. When people ask me what I do, I go to the convenience
00:18:29.660 store and somebody asks, you know, I bump into somebody and they say, what do you do? And I,
00:18:32.560 it's hard for me to answer because you know, if I say a podcaster, most people think, okay, well,
00:18:36.420 like what's your real job. This is my real job. And since then, a lot of you guys know,
00:18:42.660 because you've been listening for a certain amount of time. My wife and I have moved our
00:18:46.900 children here to Maine. We bought a beautiful property. We've got a big barn attached so we
00:18:53.260 can run our events here. Like I'm very excited about what we're doing now, guys, I don't share
00:18:58.020 this story with you to brag about what we're doing or how my story is when I'm not sharing it for that
00:19:02.060 reason. I'm sharing it because I want you to know that you never know what your life is going to look
00:19:07.580 like. If you're out there just like wandering around in the forest, like wondering when your
00:19:12.060 passion is going to hit you like a ton of bricks, guys, it isn't going to work like that.
00:19:17.660 You need to take the first step. If you're interested in, in, in becoming a musician,
00:19:24.120 well, then you got to pick up a guitar. If you're interested in, in selling your paintings, we we've
00:19:30.860 got a guy that, that's connected with us. In fact, I met him in my financial planning practice.
00:19:34.600 His name is Trent and he's always, he's a dentist now, but he's always wanted to paint. And so he's
00:19:40.240 learned how to paint. He bought a canvas, he bought some oils and he bought a brush and he learned
00:19:44.660 self-taught how to do this. Photography, hunting, firearms training, jujitsu. Look, whatever sounds
00:19:53.380 even remotely interesting in interesting to you, you can find a way to make this work, but you have to
00:20:00.620 take a step into, into the unknown, into something that you're just even remotely curious about.
00:20:09.520 So I'm going to reiterate with this guys. If you're, if you're saying to yourself, how do I find my
00:20:12.880 passion? How do I find something? I'm just really excited about develop it, articulate it, unpack it,
00:20:20.820 take a step into the unknown, take a step into something you're interested in. And if you like it,
00:20:25.120 take the second step and then the third and the fourth and the 10th and the hundredth and the
00:20:28.600 thousandth. And if you realize along the way that, you know, I'm not as excited as I thought I would
00:20:33.820 be about this. Okay. Well, you aren't any worse off. You explored it. And guys will say, well,
00:20:40.120 man, I just don't want to waste all that time. There is no wasted time. Let me go back to my
00:20:44.700 original podcast, wealth anatomy. When I was doing my financial planning practice, it'd be easy for me.
00:20:49.280 In fact, I've had this thought, you know, I wasted all that time. You know, I wasted six months or
00:20:53.920 whatever it was, uh, doing this podcast, 20 episodes only to throw in the towel. So I thought
00:21:00.000 initially I thought I was a quitter. I thought it was a loser. You just wasted all that time. You
00:21:05.560 could have been doing something else. And instead you did this and now you're just throwing in the
00:21:08.280 towel. Guess what? It wasn't wasted time because I cut my teeth in the podcasting world with another
00:21:14.320 podcast that wasn't nearly as successful as this one, but that's where I learned.
00:21:20.500 That's how I learned to ask questions. That's how I got the first 20 episodes under my belt. So I
00:21:25.520 didn't feel like a total dork and a loser as I was continuing to have conversations with people that
00:21:29.960 I really admired and respected. I remember my first conversation with Jocko Willink. That was my first
00:21:36.560 like real conversation where I was very, very nervous and very intimidated by the guests that I was having on.
00:21:44.960 And, uh, it's still up. I don't know that I would encourage you to listen to that first episode,
00:21:50.320 but since then we've done, uh, two or three other podcasts and they continually get better because
00:21:56.320 I'm willing to take the next step and the next step and the next step. Now people will sometimes ask me,
00:22:01.020 Ryan, what's next? What do you envision for order of men guys? I don't know. I don't know. I know I'm
00:22:06.740 fully invested in this thing. I know this is something that's exciting to me. It's something that
00:22:10.620 engages me. Frankly, it is my passion at this point. I would have known that before, but I do now,
00:22:14.800 but I don't know. There may be some new technology or new opportunity or new thing that arises and
00:22:22.520 comes up where I'm like, that sounds interesting. I'm going to try that. I'm going to try that.
00:22:27.200 And that's what I want you to do. I don't want you to solve all of the world's problems. I don't
00:22:31.860 want you to find your passion. I don't want you to look for the heavens depart and the angels to sing
00:22:36.700 hallelujah. Hallelujah. Like I was talking about earlier, that's not what I want you to look for.
00:22:41.140 In my experience, what I found is that you can articulate and define your passion over time.
00:22:52.100 You can be passionate about what you're currently doing, whatever that is. And you can look for the
00:22:56.760 next step. So guys, I'm going to leave you with this. Don't follow your passion. It's not helpful.
00:23:02.420 It doesn't, it doesn't serve you. Instead, follow your interests, follow your curiosity.
00:23:12.700 And I think if you do that enough and you string your actions and your thoughts together enough,
00:23:17.560 and you compound it over long and sustained periods of time, you're going to look back in
00:23:21.760 four to five years as I am now with, with hope and optimism and excitement about what you've created
00:23:31.160 through repetitive steps. That's all it is. It's not leaps. It's just steps, one step,
00:23:36.780 then the next step, then the next step. And before you know it, you look back and think,
00:23:40.980 how in the world did I get here? You got here because you did the work.
00:23:44.600 Not because you tripped upon something, not because something hits you like a ton of bricks. No,
00:23:50.120 because you did the work. Think about that guys, ponder on that. Especially if you're like,
00:23:59.380 how do I find my passion? I hope this gives you a new way to look at it, a different perspective,
00:24:07.040 something to consider. And it serves you well. And that more of you, especially in the wake of
00:24:10.980 what we're dealing with in society right now, some of you guys are out of work. A lot of you guys are
00:24:15.200 going through divorces and separations. There's civil unrest. I mean, it's a very weird time. 2020 is weird.
00:24:20.780 But in spite of all that, it's been very good for what we've done. And I think it can be good for you.
00:24:26.580 If you take this moment to improve yourself, not to just hope that something stumbles into your lap.
00:24:34.220 All right, guys, that's all I've got. I'll be back to next week. I was going to say tomorrow,
00:24:38.320 but next week for another interview and for ask me anything.
00:24:42.040 That's the best advice I could give you on the following the passion thing.
00:24:48.040 It's not about following your passion. It's about following an interest or a curiosity and just
00:24:53.740 seeing where it takes you, having some faith that it can take you to a great place. And if it doesn't,
00:24:57.600 you pivot and that's easy enough to do. All right, guys, get out there, take action
00:25:01.880 on that one thing that you're interested in. Become a man you are meant to be.
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