Order of Man - November 14, 2025


Your Apathy is Your Undoing ｜ FRIDAY FIELD NOTES


Episode Stats

Length

20 minutes

Words per Minute

172.41782

Word Count

3,451

Sentence Count

268

Misogynist Sentences

6

Hate Speech Sentences

5


Summary

In this episode, I talk about the problem of men being apathetic and why this is a problem. I also give some tips on how to overcome this problem and become more engaged in your life and in your business.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Guys, you're not going to sedate yourself anymore.
00:00:02.380 You're going to sit in it.
00:00:03.660 You're going to eliminate things.
00:00:05.040 You're going to get rid of toxic people.
00:00:07.000 You're going to learn how to shut it down.
00:00:08.360 You're going to learn how to know what you want,
00:00:09.640 not what other people want you to want.
00:00:11.580 If you do these things, then you don't have to get drunk.
00:00:14.540 You don't have to get high.
00:00:16.120 You don't have to escape your life
00:00:17.660 because you're excited about the relatively few things
00:00:21.120 you're doing, not apathetic about the incredible amount
00:00:25.360 of things that you're quote unquote supposed to do.
00:00:28.100 I recently saw a statistic that upwards of 40% of men
00:00:33.760 in the workforce are feeling burned out.
00:00:36.560 And of those 40% of men who are feeling burned out,
00:00:39.800 up to 83% of them are suggesting that it is negatively impacting
00:00:45.520 their personal and professional relationships.
00:00:49.060 Guys, this is a problem.
00:00:50.980 And I think the problem stems from the level of apathy
00:00:54.300 that I see in so many men
00:00:55.800 because we are overly inundated and bombarded
00:00:59.700 with marketing and information and social media accounts
00:01:04.140 and entertainment and everything else
00:01:06.120 that comes into our feed on this stupid little device
00:01:09.180 that is incredible, but also very damaging and destructive
00:01:13.080 if we don't know how to utilize the tool correctly.
00:01:16.960 It's the same thing as a hammer.
00:01:18.940 What an incredible tool.
00:01:20.140 We can hammer and nail in.
00:01:21.100 We can frame a house.
00:01:23.060 We can build incredible things.
00:01:24.940 And we can also smash our thumb.
00:01:27.300 And we can also crack somebody over the skull with it.
00:01:30.320 And it can become very dangerous unless we know how to temper
00:01:33.720 and harness and use the tool correctly.
00:01:36.760 This is a problem.
00:01:38.800 Your apathy is a problem.
00:01:41.000 I'm seeing this trend continue to rise,
00:01:43.800 continue to increase.
00:01:45.080 And I'm seeing young men who are fed up,
00:01:47.800 who are frustrated,
00:01:48.640 who don't believe they can get ahead.
00:01:50.840 They don't believe that the government is going to help them,
00:01:54.620 which it's not.
00:01:55.280 They don't believe people are after their best interest,
00:01:57.540 which they're not.
00:01:58.660 And they're giving up.
00:02:00.880 Guys, that is a problem.
00:02:02.460 Your apathy is your undoing.
00:02:04.260 And I don't care if you're a 18, 19, 20-year-old young man
00:02:07.760 trying to make it in the world,
00:02:09.220 or if you're a 40, 50, 60-year-old man
00:02:11.600 who has done work for decades at this point
00:02:14.480 and are not producing the results that you desire,
00:02:17.580 I've got a few strategies and tips for you
00:02:20.060 that can get you over this level of apathy
00:02:22.780 that is permeating every fabric of society for our men.
00:02:27.260 Let's talk about it and break it down.
00:02:29.120 Number one, you have to know what you want,
00:02:32.820 not what everybody else wants you to want.
00:02:37.420 Let me say that again.
00:02:38.460 You have to know what you want,
00:02:40.440 not what everybody else wants you to want.
00:02:44.060 Again, I already told you,
00:02:45.940 you are bombarded and inundated with marketing messages,
00:02:49.340 with hobbies and activities and interest
00:02:52.800 and this and that and events and programs
00:02:55.740 and brotherhoods and all these other things
00:02:57.720 that are available to you nonstop all the time.
00:03:02.140 I don't care if it's me sharing something with you
00:03:05.420 or if it's Jocko or if it's Andy Frisilla
00:03:08.120 or if it's David Goggins or Terry Crews
00:03:13.120 or Matthew McConaughey or Dave Ramsey,
00:03:16.480 Dale Brisby, who I'm having on the podcast soon,
00:03:19.020 Mike Chandler, who I'm also having on the podcast,
00:03:22.040 John Lovell, who's also coming on the podcast,
00:03:26.380 DJ Shipley.
00:03:27.500 Like these are guys who I really admire and respect
00:03:30.480 and even myself, I hope you listen to what we're doing,
00:03:34.100 but also I don't want you just to assume
00:03:38.420 that because I say it's good
00:03:40.120 or this person says it's good
00:03:41.800 or that person tells you to listen to it
00:03:44.080 or that person tells you you should do this
00:03:46.040 or do that, that you have to do it.
00:03:48.860 This is part of the problem with self-help.
00:03:51.660 It's a self-help hangover.
00:03:53.700 I personally get it myself.
00:03:55.440 I listen to podcasts, I read books,
00:03:57.380 I go to conferences, I go to events,
00:03:59.720 I subscribe to newsletters and there's only so much
00:04:03.280 that your mind can take
00:04:04.500 because you're a human being,
00:04:06.040 biologically hardwired to focus really well
00:04:09.380 on a few things, not everything.
00:04:11.940 So spend some time thinking about
00:04:14.920 what in the world you actually want
00:04:17.380 in your professional life, in your personal life,
00:04:20.400 with regards to your health,
00:04:21.920 your relationship with your creator.
00:04:24.420 What do you want this to look like?
00:04:26.620 You, not me, not any of those other guys
00:04:29.140 or anybody else I listed.
00:04:30.440 What do you want?
00:04:32.600 And then be ruthlessly committed
00:04:34.200 to going after what you want.
00:04:36.980 Number two, eliminate or delegate
00:04:39.560 everything that you do not want to do.
00:04:42.620 There are soul-sucking activities
00:04:45.980 that you are engaged in.
00:04:47.480 For me, podcast editing would be soul-sucking to me.
00:04:53.840 Taxes and recording my books
00:04:56.480 and finances would be soul-sucking to me.
00:05:00.060 Now, I realize those things need to be done.
00:05:02.380 I don't want to do those things.
00:05:04.180 And I'm not even speaking ill of those things.
00:05:07.160 They need to be done.
00:05:08.240 And there's plenty of people,
00:05:09.980 Chad, who does our podcast editing,
00:05:12.080 does a phenomenal job.
00:05:13.440 I imagine, based on the conversations that we have,
00:05:16.220 this is not soul-sucking work to him.
00:05:18.500 It is to me.
00:05:19.420 It's not to him.
00:05:20.600 So guys, we need to find work
00:05:22.280 that we're deeply, deeply engaged with,
00:05:25.280 excited about, enthusiastic about,
00:05:27.800 and then we need to get rid of
00:05:30.160 or delegate everything.
00:05:32.020 Now, you cannot do this all at once.
00:05:35.040 When I was early in my podcasting days,
00:05:37.340 I was the presenter, like I am here.
00:05:40.000 I was the editor, I was the promoter,
00:05:44.860 I was the janitor, I was the email guy,
00:05:49.000 I was the quality control, I was everything.
00:05:52.520 And over time, in a very prudent way,
00:05:56.440 I delegated those tasks that I did not want to be doing
00:05:58.880 so that I could focus on the things
00:06:00.340 that I really want to be doing.
00:06:02.440 Doing this podcast, reaching out to potential guests,
00:06:05.220 going out and meeting with people who believe in our mission
00:06:08.940 and want to support what we're doing.
00:06:10.380 But all that other stuff went by the wayside.
00:06:13.060 And you might not be there yet,
00:06:14.400 but what I would suggest to you
00:06:15.900 is that you spend some time documenting,
00:06:19.000 write it all out.
00:06:19.720 What are the things that I do on a daily basis?
00:06:21.740 Here's the 30 things I do every single day.
00:06:25.960 And maybe two, three, five, 10 of those things
00:06:29.820 you personally need to do,
00:06:31.360 and the rest you can either get rid of
00:06:32.980 because they're not important,
00:06:34.160 or you can delegate those things.
00:06:36.560 You may not be able to do it today,
00:06:38.040 but as long as you acknowledge what it is,
00:06:39.840 then you can start pushing those things off
00:06:41.940 onto people who are really good at that,
00:06:44.040 which frees up your time to focus
00:06:45.660 on what you want to be doing.
00:06:48.400 And I'm not saying that your entire life
00:06:50.320 needs to be all the things that you want to do,
00:06:52.480 and it's gonna be rainbows and fairy tales
00:06:55.000 and sunshine and ignorant bliss.
00:06:57.260 I'm not saying that.
00:06:58.180 Sometimes you have to do things you don't wanna do.
00:07:00.240 But the more we can move you
00:07:02.040 into the things that excite you,
00:07:03.840 the less apathy you will have,
00:07:05.660 and the more fulfillment you will have in your life.
00:07:07.920 Number three, eliminate the people that suck your soul.
00:07:12.620 And there are people who just suck the life
00:07:16.120 out of the party.
00:07:17.640 There are people who just drain your energy,
00:07:20.680 who are energy cookie monsters.
00:07:23.000 They just consume everything in their path.
00:07:26.160 They're takers.
00:07:27.200 They consume.
00:07:28.660 They're self-aggrandizing.
00:07:31.420 They're self-serving.
00:07:33.040 They don't care about you.
00:07:34.520 All they care about is their own well-being,
00:07:37.180 their own stories, their own hobbies,
00:07:39.260 their own activities, their own interests,
00:07:41.040 their own drama.
00:07:42.140 I don't care about those things as a human being.
00:07:45.980 Okay?
00:07:46.260 And those individuals who suck the life
00:07:48.780 out of my life and out of the party,
00:07:51.820 not doing that anymore.
00:07:53.880 Because when you have those types of people in your life,
00:07:56.460 here's what happens.
00:07:57.220 You tune out.
00:07:58.280 You check out.
00:07:59.580 You stop listening.
00:08:00.760 You stop engaging.
00:08:02.900 You stop responding.
00:08:04.420 And they're stealing so much of your time
00:08:06.620 and your attention and your energy,
00:08:09.100 focusing on the things that are important to you.
00:08:12.300 Men have boundaries in place.
00:08:14.600 Sometimes, yes, we do have to communicate
00:08:16.840 with people who we don't like.
00:08:18.440 We have to communicate with people who are selfish.
00:08:22.260 Have boundaries in place.
00:08:23.480 Not for them, but just in general.
00:08:26.600 You know, if somebody comes to you
00:08:28.600 and they're a life-sucking source in your life,
00:08:34.620 just flat out tell them,
00:08:36.180 hey, look, I appreciate you're going through your thing right now.
00:08:38.720 I'm very busy.
00:08:39.480 I have to accomplish this and this and this and this.
00:08:42.400 In fact, you can just ignore people.
00:08:45.200 You know, I get messages from people
00:08:46.600 and they want my time and attention and energy.
00:08:50.020 And I try to give it to them
00:08:51.320 as long as it aligns with what I'm trying to accomplish
00:08:53.840 and my own goals and objectives
00:08:55.200 for the relationships I want to have.
00:08:57.660 But there's some people
00:08:58.500 I just don't feel like I need to respond to.
00:09:01.100 Not everybody in my life
00:09:02.900 deserves my attention and energy.
00:09:05.580 Sometimes my kids will laugh at me
00:09:07.120 because I don't feel obligated to answer the door
00:09:10.780 when the doorbell rings.
00:09:13.520 Think about that for a second.
00:09:15.200 How many times have you had people
00:09:16.700 come over to your house unannounced, uninvited,
00:09:19.940 they'll ring the doorbell
00:09:20.900 and you feel or your wife feels
00:09:24.120 or your kids feel obligated to answer the door?
00:09:26.640 Why do I have to answer the door?
00:09:28.760 Because you thought that my time
00:09:31.940 wasn't as important as what you were after.
00:09:35.460 Now, I try to be gracious.
00:09:37.920 I try to be understanding.
00:09:39.120 I try to be empathetic and compassionate.
00:09:41.240 But the reality is I have to be very protective of my time
00:09:44.160 because I want to focus on the things that matter,
00:09:47.860 the things that are important to me
00:09:49.400 and everybody else is scrambling around
00:09:51.240 to get everybody else's attention
00:09:52.740 and make everybody else feel good
00:09:54.540 and help everybody else.
00:09:56.780 I'll do that within the constraints
00:09:59.320 and the parameters that I have personally set up.
00:10:02.120 So I don't answer my phone when it rings
00:10:05.080 if I don't know the number.
00:10:06.480 I don't answer the door when it rings
00:10:08.940 if somebody has not been invited
00:10:11.220 or comes over unsolicited.
00:10:13.420 I don't answer every email.
00:10:15.680 I don't respond to every comment.
00:10:17.580 I can't.
00:10:19.800 I don't want to.
00:10:21.300 I want to focus on the few people that really matter,
00:10:24.660 that care about me, that are not selfish,
00:10:26.840 that I can build relationships with.
00:10:28.760 And so I eliminate everything else
00:10:30.980 or at least reduce it to the degree that I can
00:10:33.040 if I'm forced to interact with somebody.
00:10:36.020 All right, number four, get better at fewer things.
00:10:40.840 I was getting my hair cut done today
00:10:44.560 and the woman who was cutting my hair
00:10:46.860 and I were talking about small talk,
00:10:49.560 anything and everything.
00:10:50.680 And she was asking about my hobbies
00:10:53.840 and I gave her a few hobbies
00:10:54.880 and I said, what are your hobbies?
00:10:56.000 And she said, oh, I do everything.
00:10:58.040 I'm just not good at anything.
00:11:00.420 And we laughed about it
00:11:01.700 and we joked about it and played.
00:11:02.760 But it stood out to me.
00:11:07.020 We are doing everything
00:11:09.440 and we're not good at anything.
00:11:12.480 Now, in some cases, it's okay
00:11:14.080 because it brings you happiness.
00:11:15.480 If you want to be a casual weekend fisherman,
00:11:19.440 by all means, do it.
00:11:21.740 If you want to casually pick up golf
00:11:24.940 or pistol shooting or jujitsu, by all means.
00:11:28.720 But what I would suggest to you
00:11:32.380 to go back to point number one,
00:11:33.840 knowing what you want,
00:11:34.860 not what others want you to want,
00:11:36.820 is that you should only focus on the things
00:11:38.940 that are going to enhance your life.
00:11:40.580 And once you find those things, go deep.
00:11:43.820 I think fulfillment is found
00:11:45.640 in going deep on the activities
00:11:47.440 and the interest and the things that you desire.
00:11:51.240 I really don't think
00:11:52.680 that we can have a lot of fulfillment
00:11:54.100 by hanging out in the shallow end of the pool.
00:11:57.380 That feels good on the feet,
00:11:58.720 but it isn't swimming in the deep end.
00:12:01.440 And as men, we want to swim in the deep end.
00:12:04.400 We want to take the risk.
00:12:05.780 We want to explore uncharted territory.
00:12:08.960 We want to dive deep
00:12:10.320 and figure out what's down there
00:12:11.980 when the sunlight isn't impacting
00:12:14.400 the depths of the water and the ocean.
00:12:17.020 That's what we're after.
00:12:19.140 And so many of us are hanging out in the kiddie pool
00:12:21.200 where it's a foot deep so we don't drown
00:12:23.040 and we think, oh, this feels great
00:12:24.440 because our toes are dangling in the water.
00:12:26.340 Guys, go deep.
00:12:29.860 If you're going to get into jiu-jitsu, go deep.
00:12:32.360 Be the best player that you can possibly be.
00:12:35.600 If you're going to get into Pokemon,
00:12:37.080 which is something that I have actually got into,
00:12:39.200 believe it or not, because my youngest loves it,
00:12:41.240 then go deep.
00:12:42.140 Figure out all the characters.
00:12:43.560 Figure out all the cards.
00:12:45.100 Figure out how to take care of your cards.
00:12:47.180 Figure out how much everything costs.
00:12:49.240 Figure out the investment.
00:12:50.300 Go deep into it.
00:12:51.660 If you want to build a movement like we're doing here
00:12:55.100 with Order of Man,
00:12:55.820 maybe you're doing a professional job full-time right now,
00:12:59.000 but you want to take something on the side full-time,
00:13:01.600 go deep as you can.
00:13:04.020 Enough of this surface-level nonsense.
00:13:07.140 You cannot make any sort of impact
00:13:09.500 if you just dance along the surface.
00:13:12.340 When I started Order of Man,
00:13:13.960 I was doing two hours in the morning,
00:13:15.580 then going to my real job,
00:13:17.160 which was a financial advisor,
00:13:18.420 and then spending two hours at night
00:13:20.280 on the Order of Man stuff.
00:13:21.920 Guess when it took off?
00:13:23.720 When I sold my financial planning practice,
00:13:26.000 it was risky.
00:13:27.700 It was scary.
00:13:29.540 I had to convince my then wife that we should do it.
00:13:33.780 It was a real struggle.
00:13:37.180 But as soon as I sold that financial planning practice
00:13:39.980 and I went all in on the Order of Man stuff,
00:13:43.540 that's when the business took off.
00:13:45.620 That's when the movement started to grow.
00:13:48.420 If you aren't willing to go deep on something,
00:13:51.280 there's a problem.
00:13:52.840 And if you dance around the surface
00:13:54.520 on every little aspect of your life,
00:13:56.740 you're going to have apathy.
00:13:58.080 You're never going to feel good
00:13:59.760 about the progress that you're experiencing.
00:14:03.060 Go deep.
00:14:03.880 Sell out.
00:14:04.540 Go all in.
00:14:05.960 Be bold.
00:14:06.600 Be courageous.
00:14:07.700 Burn the boats, if you will.
00:14:09.420 Be prudent, sure, but go all in.
00:14:13.260 And guys, the last thing that I'm going to tell you,
00:14:15.180 and this impacted me in my personal life,
00:14:17.320 and I know it's impacted millions of other men,
00:14:20.580 no more sedation.
00:14:22.260 Zero.
00:14:23.620 No more sedation.
00:14:25.680 No drugs.
00:14:26.860 No alcohol.
00:14:28.460 No pornography.
00:14:30.020 No gambling.
00:14:31.480 No boozing.
00:14:32.740 No womanizing.
00:14:34.700 No addiction to video games
00:14:36.920 or binge-watching TV shows you don't care about.
00:14:40.820 Done.
00:14:41.700 You're done as of today.
00:14:44.560 Those feel really good in the moment.
00:14:46.620 And that's why I started drinking,
00:14:47.920 because I just wanted to shut everything out.
00:14:50.180 I was so stressed and overwhelmed.
00:14:52.060 And I'm not making excuses for the decisions that I've made,
00:14:55.320 but I am identifying reasons.
00:14:57.680 And I was so stressed out,
00:14:59.040 and I was so overwhelmed
00:15:00.080 because of all the other things
00:15:01.260 that I was talking with you about
00:15:02.380 that the only outlet that seemed available to me
00:15:05.140 at the time was to turn to the bottle.
00:15:07.220 And when I turned to the bottle,
00:15:09.180 it was great in the moment
00:15:10.400 because I could get drunk.
00:15:11.880 I could check out.
00:15:14.220 I could get wasted.
00:15:16.340 I could pass out.
00:15:17.700 And it was amazing for that moment.
00:15:21.800 But the impact that it had on the grander scheme,
00:15:24.640 the greater scheme of things,
00:15:25.880 was a real problem for me.
00:15:28.060 Obviously, I went through a divorce,
00:15:31.860 rebuilding relationships with my kids,
00:15:34.340 changed my finances,
00:15:35.540 changed every aspect of my life,
00:15:37.240 even impacted this movement
00:15:38.420 and how I'm influential with you guys,
00:15:40.380 because I was trying to sedate,
00:15:42.840 because I was trying to run away
00:15:44.280 from the very things that I just shared with you.
00:15:46.860 The first four steps that I shared with you,
00:15:48.920 I was trying to run away from that.
00:15:50.360 I was not embracing that.
00:15:52.080 And so I had to escape.
00:15:54.160 I had to escape my own life.
00:15:56.280 And it felt good in the moment,
00:15:57.760 but it created real problems for me.
00:16:00.760 Guys, you're not gonna sedate yourself anymore.
00:16:03.060 You're gonna sit in it.
00:16:04.220 You're gonna figure it out.
00:16:06.360 You're going to eliminate things.
00:16:07.880 You're gonna get rid of toxic people.
00:16:09.680 You're gonna learn how to shut it down.
00:16:11.240 You're gonna learn how to know what you want,
00:16:12.520 not what other people want you to want.
00:16:14.960 If you do these things,
00:16:16.460 then you don't have to get drunk.
00:16:18.060 You don't have to get high.
00:16:19.660 You don't have to plop your ass on the couch
00:16:21.520 and play video games
00:16:22.540 or binge watch the newest Netflix series.
00:16:26.240 You don't have to escape your life
00:16:28.060 because you're excited
00:16:29.040 about the relatively few things you're doing,
00:16:32.040 not apathetic about the incredible amount of things
00:16:36.160 that you're quote unquote supposed to do.
00:16:39.600 Guys, I do not want you to have apathy.
00:16:42.360 I see this growing in our young men.
00:16:44.320 They don't think they can get ahead.
00:16:46.180 They don't believe in themselves.
00:16:47.720 They don't believe in financial institutions.
00:16:49.540 They don't believe in the government.
00:16:51.500 83% of men who are dissatisfied with their work
00:16:54.880 are saying that it's affecting
00:16:57.220 their personal relationships.
00:16:58.700 They're going through divorces.
00:17:00.300 They have estranged children.
00:17:02.120 It's not good.
00:17:05.660 And if we embrace these five things,
00:17:08.020 let me recap.
00:17:08.780 Know what you want,
00:17:09.680 not what others want you to want.
00:17:11.660 Number two, eliminate or delegate
00:17:13.260 anything that you don't want to do
00:17:14.880 or work towards it.
00:17:16.340 Number three, eliminate people
00:17:18.440 that just suck the life out of you.
00:17:21.540 They're just soul sucking creatures
00:17:24.480 that you cannot have in your life.
00:17:26.880 Get rid of those people.
00:17:27.580 Number four, get better at fewer things.
00:17:30.760 It's about going deep, not wide.
00:17:33.220 And the last, you're not going to sedate yourself.
00:17:35.520 You're just not.
00:17:36.860 And if you feel tempted to pick up the bottle,
00:17:39.220 pick up the booze, pick up the joint,
00:17:41.380 pick up the video game controller,
00:17:43.500 you message me and I'll tell you not to.
00:17:46.180 Because as I've put the bottle down,
00:17:49.440 my life has got drastically better.
00:17:53.460 And I know it will for you as well.
00:17:55.200 It's definitely uncomfortable in the short term,
00:17:59.220 but a lot better in the long term.
00:18:01.140 Guys, I hope this helps.
00:18:02.440 Your apathy is your undoing.
00:18:04.300 And I do not want to see you undone.
00:18:07.220 Follow these five steps.
00:18:08.940 Follow along with what we're doing.
00:18:10.600 Share this message on Instagram,
00:18:12.360 on socials, leave a rating review.
00:18:14.760 Let people know what you're listening to.
00:18:16.440 If you've got an apathetic man,
00:18:18.040 whether it's your brother or your cousin
00:18:19.620 or your father or your son or whoever,
00:18:22.240 colleague who is apathetic about life,
00:18:25.860 they're not alone.
00:18:27.580 But send this message to them
00:18:29.080 and let them know
00:18:30.700 that they've got some action steps.
00:18:34.300 They've got some things that they can do
00:18:35.760 to improve their lives.
00:18:37.000 Your life will be better.
00:18:38.160 Theirs will be better.
00:18:39.020 And we'll all be better.
00:18:40.080 Man, we have so much work to do.
00:18:42.000 So much work to do.
00:18:43.800 And we're scratching the surface
00:18:45.580 on what we can do and what we will do.
00:18:47.600 I've got some very, very exciting guests coming up
00:18:50.280 who are going to rock your world.
00:18:52.260 And it's going to be exciting.
00:18:54.020 2026 is going to be pretty amazing.
00:18:56.200 Not waiting till January.
00:18:57.400 I'm starting now,
00:18:58.420 but it is going to be amazing.
00:18:59.860 Again, reach out to me.
00:19:00.860 Share this message.
00:19:01.660 That's my ask of you guys today.
00:19:03.300 I hope this message resonated.
00:19:04.780 If you have any other thoughts,
00:19:05.920 ideas, insights, considerations, or questions,
00:19:08.500 hit me up on the gram at Ryan Mickler
00:19:10.400 and I will answer you there.
00:19:13.500 All right, guys.
00:19:14.000 We'll be back next week for our interview.
00:19:16.680 Until then, go out there, take action,
00:19:18.880 and become the man you are meant to be.
00:19:21.440 Thank you for listening to the Order of Man podcast.
00:19:24.400 You're ready to take charge of your life
00:19:26.020 and be more of the man you were meant to be?
00:19:28.380 We invite you to join the order at orderofman.com.
00:19:31.580 We'll be right back.