Pearl - August 30, 2025
Aaron Clarey Shows Us How Modern Women Contribute Nothing And Get Paid
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Summary
In this episode, we have a special guest on the show, the man, the myth, the legend, Cappie Pippa, aka Myth. Myth is a writer, comedian, podcaster, sex worker, and sex worker advocate. He has been featured on TicTocke TokTok, The Late Night Show with Seth Meyers, and more.
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like in these major cities they post their lifestyles and i'm like how are you paying
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and i look at their tick tocks i've been on tick tock before they kicked me and i wasn't making
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more than five grand a month and i had a million followers on there so i'm like they can't be
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making that much money oh wait okay actually i'm going to pause that because we have a special
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guest coming on we have a special guest the man the myth the legend cappy hey how you doing can you
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hear me all right i can hear you perfect okay cool because uh you're coming in robotic so i don't know
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if it's me or you but i'm i am traveling so it's it's there's a good chance it's me i can hear you
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fine i i maybe will ask the chat if it's but so um i was doing a show on societal trends guys and
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i wanted cappy to come on and tell me how many women are engaging in sex work because i've tried
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to calculate the number myself and they keep telling me it's too high the number i can and
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i'm not the best at math so i'm like i very well could be wrong well let's let's first not worry
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about the math because it's going to be simple division but what is your methodology let's start
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with that and we'll we'll see if that has veracity we'll go from there do you know what i think at
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the time there was a tick tock i did and i was on the show and i just calculated the number of women
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that were in gen z and then the number i then i looked at the number of only fans workers and i asked
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what percent were under 25 and it was like 80 percent and then i took that and i was like let me divide
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that by the number of women that are in gen z and that was and i got like i got like that was how
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i did it and that was just only fans um that and i did it live on the show but i can't remember
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somebody told me i was wrong and so i was like let me just bring cappy on he's smarter than me
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so what i like your uh the logic in it but what percent of only fans women are americans versus
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globally oh i looked at that that's gonna be the hard one oh okay so you did a conference so we're
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looking yeah so we're looking at american only fans girls yes divided by the gen z population that's
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that's pretty good um i would say only fans isn't relegated to uh under 25 but i mean that's it's a
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pretty good start so do you remember what your numbers were hold on i don't off the top of my head
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but i can get 1.4 million on only fans because i think that was the number oh here this was the
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reel that went viral they put like some someone put some music in the background so it made it more
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dramatic okay wait was it the sad music yeah they did they did million women in america do only fans
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1.2 million is between 18 and 24. what percent of women how many women in america are between 18 to 24.
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i find out roughly 10 million women so just on only fans alone 10 of women in that age group
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are on only fans so there's only 10 million women between 18 to 25. then i decided to think more about
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the consumers who is consuming only fans and i found out that 82 million american men subscribe to only
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fans one so that was how i did the math okay so let's just assume intellectual honesty your numbers
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are correct like you didn't have any ulterior motives uh and you're coming in around 10 percent
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i just googled it so it it very well could have been maybe the number i don't know but yeah that's
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what i did so now if do you remember the guy who did a similar such study i think his methodology was
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a little different it was like four or five years ago and he estimated that 10 of all college girls
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are on only fans or some kind of uh gratuitous site like that do you remember that at all
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okay so the point is he came up with a 10 figure too i'd have to double check and look at it but
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if i recall correctly it's 10 so now you got two data points with you know some rough math pointing
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at 10 in other words it corroborates what you came up with on your own vindicated
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well i know if you're a hundred percent vindicated because you know there's statistics and then there's
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damn lies but what when you come up with these ballpark figures right uh and i we could say oh
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well not every woman on only fans is between this and that you already accounted for that because you
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said 80 were under 25 or something like that um we could say well it's more near like maybe eight
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percent all right let's just let's just err on the side of caution say five percent one in 20 women
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are on only fans of a of a dating courtship marrying age 18 to 35 let's just say you're you're definitely
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so because i was trying to figure out how could you calculate what percent of women have done soft
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prostitution because it's like only fans is one thing and i couldn't figure out how i would figure out
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what percent of women um have done like on instagram there's a lot of soft prostitution but it's not
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public right so you can't get that and then my other question what about sugar dating like in these
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major cities they post their lifestyles and i'm like how are you paying graduate and i look at their
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tick tocks i i've been on tick tock before they kicked me and i wasn't making more than five grand a
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month and i had a million followers on there so i'm like they can't be making that much money
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unless they're selling something else um how much better than me i don't know go ahead right here's
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what always helps if you're going to try and tackle these kind of socioeconomic statistics which aren't
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hard and fast science and math like engineering you really got to define your terms so what what would
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qualify as prostitution right i know paying someone to have sex that's obviously prostitution our foodie
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dates prostitution is digital um pictures through only fans is that considered prostitution uh is a
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if you want to go and get the actual percent of women who engage in actual legally defined prostitution
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you could probably go do some research on police reports or um the fbi crime statistics and all
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that i think for the purposes of the conversation we need to define what prostitution is where it's a
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transactional relationship where someone pays someone else for would you consider romance and affection
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prostitution you're so funny would you let me ask you this do you remember the there were dime dates or
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dime dances do you remember dime dances i mean you weren't around do you remember dime dances where
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you paid a woman a dime and she danced with you this is back in the 1920s no i did not know about that
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well you know and is a foodie date prostitution so i mean me i'll be perfectly honest uh every
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transaction every relationship is transactional whether it's labor work friends or all that and i applied the same
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standard to romantic and sexual relationships yes both people have to commit their time let's
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remove the time and look what's happening between money and services usually almost always it's the
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men paying for women for some form of affection doesn't even have to be sex it could just be attention
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affection or whatever uh and when you look at that that is a transactional relationship and unless you
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actually find people who are genuinely in love where the woman just adores the guy uh it's almost
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invariably transactional and so i would say and i've said it before nearly every guy in the united
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states is a john and nearly every woman in the united states is a is the lady of the evening if you
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want to call it that uh but is that so wrong because in the olden days you know i i get a kick out of
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people like let's say i go pay a girl 500 bucks to have sex with me oh man aaron you're a loser you're
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a scumbag you you couldn't get it but if i pay a woman a ten thousand dollar wedding ring and then i
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give her alimony and settlement and all that and she has sex with me for 20 oh well that's love see that's
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love that that's romance okay i'll tell you i'll tell you what so for me it's just a little weird
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how embracing we're starting to get of open sex workers i understand that like okay you could argue
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that marriage is the same thing when women rob the men and they're kind of paying for i i get the
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argument but for me there's just something weird about like having a woman running for congress that
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used to have like an open cam site i don't know why it feels different maybe it's the woman in me
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where i'm like this just feels different but it's just it's like strange well it is different i mean
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it's great i mean but you know go back 50 years you didn't have digital stuff right yeah but is is it not
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you know and what are men paying for men are usually paying for some either sex outright or a derivation
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of sex or derivative of sex it could be attention uh it could be nudes or whatever um and it's up to
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the i guess the individual was that really classical prostitution i i think you missed the more
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philosophical point do men pay for women i don't mean like taking care of them but do you pay to have
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women spend time with you whether that's romance sex digital pictures and all that so i i what what is the
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what is the are you trying to say this is the percentage of women who like strippers there's
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another perfect example yeah is that prostitution or what i i would like to simplify it and just say
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are men paying for some kind of sexual service and the vast majority of instances the answer is yes
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and the vast majority of women are providing those things yeah so my general point was that i just see a
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societal trend of sex workers used to be more taboo and now they're being accepted into public offices
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and positions where like um there's a tennis player who just dropped in only fans and she's like
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actively competing with us like new selling nudes and i grew up in the sports community and like that
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wasn't really you could you just couldn't do that when i was growing up but now it's like okay
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so i'm just wondering if it's getting accepted and normalized it makes me wonder what percent of
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women are participating in some way that it's gotten to that point outside of i wouldn't really put
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marriage in the same category even though philosophically like you could argue it is
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yeah that's that's more of my question because i i think obviously it's more because there's more
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avenues more venues it's also also more socially accepted yeah uh i would say no more no less it's
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always been this way between the sexes but in terms of what you're trying to find now like is it
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becoming more socially acceptable yes um i would almost say it's it's kind of it's always been that
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way it's just that we're more forthright about it and accepting i don't know i'm sure most fathers would
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prefer to keep their daughters off the stripper pole uh but you're you're absolutely right it is there
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are more ways for you to safely become a sex worker because digitally you're not meeting these people
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uh it is becoming more accepted just because the internet alone is how a lot of people socialize
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internet uh uh coronagraphy uh is been universal since what 25 years ago or so so i i don't even know if
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it's necessarily bad it maybe is just america or different countries in the west and maybe the
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world saying yeah this happens yeah we got to pay for this yeah you know guys playing for paying for
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playboy i would say is on par with guys paying for only fans so i don't know if it's bad i know
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you probably don't want to unless women come with a heavy dose of financial management courses where they
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know to save the money while they're making it that that'd be okay like okay at least make some
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money and save them because your youth is going to go away and then maybe you have yourself a a good
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degree in accounting on the side so when you get older um it's relatively new uh simply because the
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internet generationally speaking is relatively new so there might be some problems where your reputation
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it's definitely going to hurt marriage like what you're an only fans girl no i think you get out of
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here but i i don't know i think it's always kind of been there and now the internet and society and
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culture have kind of you know at one time it was it was shameful to be gay and now most everybody is
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kind of accepting of of gay people so i think it's this is just accepting i guess women's nature and
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men's nature more do you know what i actually don't think only fans is going to be a deterrent unless
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they had sex on camera i don't it's weird and the reason i say this is because when i was at the ufc gym
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like interviewing guys there now you could argue this is because they're under like they're kind of
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in a weird industry right that's not really like normal people but i was asking the guys there if
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they would date a girl with an only fans if it was five years ago and it was just nudes and the majority
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said yeah and i was like holy these are guys with like choice you know like it's not their only
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choice and if they're accepting it and i think it's because most only fans girls fail so it's not like
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you know what i mean there's so much stuff on the internet right and
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it is a trend it is happening we could talk about the efficacy and whether it's a viable
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alternative to traditionalism like getting married or even just getting a job but it's not
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it just isn't most of you only girls fans you fail you're you're just not going to make money
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um and i also think men's expectations have changed because like yeah i'll take an only
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fans girl because we kind of grew up with it and what else am i going to choose i mean let's also admit
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only fans what girls tend to be tend to be hotter uh the i will say this the yeah the quality and
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caliber of of women in terms of marriage has just gone to piss that is true but maybe society right
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now doesn't want marriage women certainly don't want it men are kind of backing away from it as
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well because they look at the quality and the caliber so it it may be that yeah this definitely
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ruins and like let's say there is a guy well i did only fans once or it's like all right so you're
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willing to do that right it already is kind of like ah like it's so but if you look at the market
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of women that men have available to them uh you only did it once it was five years ago okay i guess
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or you were a stripper but you gave that up okay i guess uh it's it's not necessarily
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um it's trending to be more accepted but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a negative effect on
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the traditional getting married nuclear family that kind of thing
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so how many women um are making have you ever looked into how much money women are making on
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social media in general because i i see this trend of women quitting their jobs to be social media
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influencers and that sort of thing and i just wonder are they just prostitutes or are they actually
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making money have you looked well i mean i i know uh only as a while ago i think the average girl
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makes 180 a month on only fans uh which is not to live off of uh but when you say social media like
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somebody who just has a channel like god bless you if you can i mean that's kind of how we make our
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living uh it doesn't necessarily have to be uh sexual um but the percentage of women i don't know how
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much of that is you see influencers regardless of whether it's only fans or not and they make
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money like oh my god if they can do it i can do it i would also question how many of these women are
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giving up jobs that were fake and bs anyway you know if you go from oh i'm a dog walker i'm an
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assistant hr director or recruiter and i became an influencer it's like well that was kind of one
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job for another one uh so i i think there's probably and you could do them both concurrently
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you could go ahead be an influencer and have a job so it's relatively new so yeah you're going to see
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a migration from traditional forms of employment for both men and women um going from traditional
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employment to online influencers but i don't i think the fact because it is online and influencing
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it seems like it's a larger trend than it actually is yeah i still think the majority yeah the
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majority of men and women are working crap jobs they don't want to work and and just like only fans
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you're probably it's probably in conjunction with you being a nurse or a teacher or something else
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yeah you're right it says uh this is like 45 do you see this chart make kind of 15 000
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so um it looks like around a little less than 10 make 15 to 25 000 a year
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uh that looks probably like seven percent make 25 to 30. um the only the biggest actually
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it looks 12 make 50 000 to 75 000. these aren't insignificant figures if i look at this is less
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what's that top one less than 15 000 um here i'll put the thing in the chat so you can see it yeah um
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40 less around 45 percent i can't see the exact number but it says around 45 percent make less than
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15 000. okay but if we if we look at those income trenches a good third of the people make a living
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wage off of it yeah yeah i can't fault them and not all tiktok women are are showing their boobs either
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i'm sure they're talking about whatever it is that they talk about i mean i'm very pro people going
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online becoming an influencer if you can't because yeah it's a great gig it's easy and corporate
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employment sucks uh but that's kind of impressive so it might actually be a little bit here yeah we'd
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have yeah we'd have to do some research to get to do it but this looks like yeah it's it's a it's a
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it's not an unviable option to go and become an influencer it seems 48 earned less than 15 000
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nine percent earned between 15 and 25 000. seven percent earned between 25 and 35 000. five percent
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earned 35 to 50 000. eleven percent earned between 50 and 75 000. five percent earned between 75 and 100
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000. six percent earned a hunt between 100 and 150k and seven percent earned more than 200 000. based on
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the numbers the median salary is somewhere between 15 and 25 000. so roughly 30 percent of people on
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tick tock make a living wage yeah yeah i can't blame them it's uh i and i again depending on okay is it is
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it uh is it lewd is it rated x material or not i think that's almost irrelevant it's that you get paid to do
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that uh and and in some cases you get paid a hell of a lot more than what you do with your college
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degree so it's it's an option for many women and many men to do this yeah it seems like that's kind
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of where things are going where i just wonder if people that don't have an online brand will they be
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left behind in some way whether it's like romantically um financially etc like networking
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if um boy that's a good question if you have a good skill or a trade again why i always emphasize
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getting good a good degree no you know you know who doesn't worry about this surgeons surgeons don't
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worry about this nurse practitioners don't worry about this engineers don't worry about this tradesmen
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and tradeswomen the few women that do go into trades don't worry about it uh but yeah it may be
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going in well here's the other thing i don't think white collar work in general going forward is
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going to be viable for most people it's just it's just not worth it going to get the education
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required the pay isn't there they're trying to outsource everything overseas and try and replace
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everything with ai already beforehand it wasn't acceptable um so yeah for young people especially
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i've talked about this with gen z you either need an unassailable trade or skill or you're going to have
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to become self-employed and since the majority of commerce is now being done online yeah you might as
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well start with your own personal brand you might as well start i mean not everyone i did the math i
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think the united states economy can support 2.2 million full-time content creators based on ad
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revenue and super chats and donations and all that um that's not everybody so only a select few are going
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to be lucky enough to to make a living like that but yeah going down the road and you better be careful
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what you put on your websites and your your social media early on if you want to become an
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influence yeah it's almost like you're going to need a digital reputation uh or even a brand so
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that you are simply known it's like oh yeah i heard it you stand a better shot of getting a job or
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contract having a youtube channel where you got your network established than you would sending a
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resume because your resume is it's just lost to the sea of resumes but if you you have like you know
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you're a regular commenter on a channel you have your own channel you have your own social media i think
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that yeah you're not wrong about that so the other thing i was wondering i think that's going to mean
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privacy is going to be a thing of the past because even if i go to like an event there's cameras everywhere
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you know there's they throw they're taking pictures of your camera like not even because of my youtube so
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just because they want to market the events and stuff and i'm like so if this becomes a significant
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portion of people which are already kind of is that are making money off of tick tock and instagram and
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all that stuff like i just wonder how we're going to interact in like five years you know like in a
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personal level or um i'll try to explain this like if you go to any party with people under 35 let's say
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all of them okay like they bring out drinks all the girls have their phones out right they're all
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recording the drinks coming out the boyfriend has to take a picture of the girl on like you know
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you know how they make fun of the boyfriends that take the new marketing for the new boyfriend
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you know like they take picture of the date not the guy and i was just wondering if more people are
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start to become employed by this i just wonder if there's going to be some sort of difference in
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social interaction that maybe i don't see coming that i don't see now yeah go ahead you know you
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know what i think it's going to be it's going to be like theater or acting the everyone's on a stage
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it just happens to be the theater is the internet and then behind the scenes you're going to meet
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different people through your social media activities behind the scenes at your job that you
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actually like and date and i you you kind of mentioned it already how many female influencers already
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are married or have a boyfriend and they have their act in their show now they now obviously their main
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marketing shtick is that they want men to think that they're single so they get super chats and they
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buy things and stuff like that but i think just like theater or acting you're doing a performance but
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it is an industry it actually is an industry and thank god it's mostly self-employed industry because
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you can date like right now if i want to go date some cutesy female influencer she does the production
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work for somebody i know i can do it because there's no hr director we don't work for a corporation
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uh and i think just like any other industry or profession you're going to meet people that you like
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so behind the scenes you will i don't think for the influencer community it's going to really
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have an effect where i do think it's going to have an effect are the normies who have a regular job
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and they just got like whatever their token instagram account and they have now a track record of
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them acting like a girl boss circa 2022 that might have a negative effect but for the people who are
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like pros and and that's their job yeah i i think if anything it introduces you to way more interesting
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people no i i totally agree but what i'm thinking is okay this is this is what i'm thinking is the new
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relationships are just going to be like brand building and i think rollo talks about this a little bit
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but like because now like if a woman's employed on social media now the husband has to like be her
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marketing not has to but like she's just going to torture him with all the tiktok trends and stuff
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unless you know like unless she's not okay as long now we got to talk about what type of content
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we're creating if it's x-rated content yeah that's going to probably cause not not x so on tiktok it's
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mostly lifestyle content like that's normally that's women talking on their phones this is what
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i eat in a day and i was thinking about how like the future is going to be men sacrificing privacy to
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date the women employed on tiktok because it's a mostly women female app and i think it's mostly
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attractive women making the money i could be wrong this is just where my brain i'm like this is where i
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see this is going yeah but i don't i don't see that that necessarily would ruin the relationship
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or friend because let's let's be perfectly honest um let's say you're a very you're one of these
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successful tiktok influencers or youtube if you are successful you cannot do it without a brain
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you are a professional let's remove for the sake of simplicity uh sexual content all right so you are a
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a micro internet celebrity you're making good money and you talk about whatever oh look my i took the
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sushi and i went on this thing a day in the life of i don't see how that makes a husband or a
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significant other i don't see how it makes their lives hell like you your wife is a performer to a
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certain extent and okay maybe you got to help her with the marketing or the idea or maybe not i i don't see
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why if you had a woman who was a who was a successful tiktoker why does that prevent the
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guy from being whatever an account you haven't spent a lot of time on tiktok have you no i try to avoid
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i think you would know what i'm talking about if you spent more time you do not need a brain to get
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good at tiktok youtube's a different animal i think you need i've done both i had a million on both
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but i'll i'll tell you tiktok like you can make okay you know i'm going to show you one of the top
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tiktokers in the world okay well while you look at that up let me let me ask you this so um oh dan is
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his name men need to be heard you know his channel um i don't think so but sometimes i've seen and i
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forget the name go ahead there was there was this psychopathic crazy eye gal who said that um
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if we had matriarchy then women would give men sex and it was such an obvious troll job but she went
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viral it was covered then you find out she's got a husband and all that of course now that was tiktok
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and it was toxic and it was all a lie but i guess what you're asking is is it possible for someone to
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have a healthy relationship with someone who writes for a tabloid because that's all tiktok kind of is
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i know it's it's looking into the abyss i know it's just some atrocious catty horrific uh behavior
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but if you know it's all theater and performance like at the end of the day what does it matter
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well yeah i just what i foresee is women using the followings to attack the men they date
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like when it goes south i've already seen it you mean there's like breakup videos on tiktok
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sandwich thank you for the ten dollar but i'm just going to show you this is like the top girl on
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tiktok on the right okay this is this is what they would post that girl i'm telling you so i i i met
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her when i was in when i was on tiktok and she got offered a hundred thousand dollars to follow
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someone back on instagram and said no because she was making so much money right okay but yeah go
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ahead sorry so okay i know i know this is horrible this is horrible she can't be dumb right she's got
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to know that this the the video quality was good she knows how to market it right um no you think okay
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so you're you've been in the field i have yeah are they are they just pretty dumb girls and they're
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annoying as no it's not that like what it is is the thing is so because it's marketed to women right
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okay women don't like to see overly attractive women on screen and women like women that are relatable
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not competent because when women pick content like that's why all our movies suck now
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like because they're marketed to women right you you are not wrong but go on yes and so what happens
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is all these average women get gassed up on social media and they can make all this money like doing
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doing pretty much nothing and so you don't have to be that good because if you're too good the girls
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aren't going to like you they're not going to watch it's a mostly female app saying then is the allure
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of social media making it on social media and because at least as it pertains to tick tock women do not
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like exceptionally attractive women or exceptionally intelligent women yes that one the social media
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influencing environment becomes bad for the women to consume it as it pertains to their potential for
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current and future relationships and also the women it attracts to become influencers themselves
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are also then there's a selection bias that they are dumb and t he and isn't this popular but then it
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reinforces it to they actually maybe believe their own bullshit and then that has a okay but then what
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guy is going to stick with that like for a while for a long time like my in other words both scenarios
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were painting are are possible they're not mutually exclusive i think there are very intelligent savvy
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women who they could even do sex work online who are very market savvy and they have a relationship with a
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husband uh but you're saying that this almost becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where the social media
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turns women into even worse undateable unmarriageable type of women since everyone is attracted to it
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that is what's going to it's going to turn them yes i think it's going to get worse because i think women
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are going to start making good money and it's like then now like i have to show you some of these
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but a lot of these things they do with their boyfriends are just like humiliation rituals for the boyfriend
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wait couples tick tock like it's just it's like the woman uh i'd have to find a couple's tick tock trend
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but it's like but is it real well but that's the problem when is it so maybe it's not like there's
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like an on camera and off camera but when the camera's in your home and like that's the thing
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like some of the women when they break up with the guys they have to make him an abusive guy or whatever
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and that pays them to like when zach bryan and brianna chicken fry broke up
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because he dated a tick tocker and she was like this big she's at barstool sports she's like a big
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name there and when they broke up she did this whole campaign about how abusive he was and it was
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such bullshit i mean you know though and so i was just thinking i'm like because that's now they can't
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look like a bad person to their audience so they gotta they gotta be the victim obviously and then all
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the women that are also got dumped because like they spend a lot of time on tick tock
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so yeah that's just how i see it going i could be wrong but i i'll tell you this social media
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definitely is worsening uh women for marriage material if that's what they're interested in
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this is not good for the nuclear family it's not good for tradition it's not good for the economy
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it's not good for society um but i don't i don't
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i'm what i'm i'm trying to figure out what i'm trying to say they one what are you going to do
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about it two it might have already already been there and three if no one is that interested in
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getting married and tradition and all that anyway does it really matter
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i it's not to say it's good or bad i'm just interested in how it's going to change the dynamics
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in the next five years because i wonder if a significant portion of the female population will
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be employed by tick tock i actually would be curious to see what percent are employed now
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or even forget employed they just have an account well i'll tell you right now uh you know i'm an old
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man and ha ha ha boomer but these tick tock videos i you know i don't watch them anymore because i
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realized they were all bs these provocative uh adiprop we're like oh my god the guy didn't open the door
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that kind of thing um i one i don't believe them uh about 85 of the time i think they're just doing
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it to provoke and be a dog whistle to get clicks and rage bait but even if they were doing that
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consciously and no i didn't really believe anything i said i'd be like you're so degrading
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you're so unethical you would do this it would be like you wrote for one of them you know those
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those uh girly filth magazines back in the day like uh like uh glamour or teen beat and uh almost
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like what's her name um you ever hear of e gene she's she's old she's suing donald trump for um
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forcible bedroom not fun time i don't know how that lawsuit is going but she wrote these okay let me
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rephrase it she claimed people would write in called dear e gene this horrible statistically
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impossible thing happened to me how do i solve it and you you listen to a handful of these you realize
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no this is they didn't write in this is your penthouse forum so it's misleading but if there's
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so much money to be made or there's enough of a promise of a hope of money to be made that women
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engage in this that that that's indicative of a bad person like that's that's really bad
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that's where you actually do become a grifter and i'm going to lie and engage in professional
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wrestling theater just so i can make money and usually it's probably going to be about dating
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and the sexes so that when a guy all sudden finds out oh yeah you were a tick tock girl yes i agree with
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you it is going to lessen uh it's going to harm women's abilities in general but especially those
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who engage in this action this behavior it is going to harm their ability to find a quality guy
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in the future i think that is 100 true and you don't even have to like show your boobies on the
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internet it's just it's it's it's kind of shameful behavior you're lying
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