Pearl - Andrew Wilson and Entrepreneurs In Cars CLASH on Marriage

00:00:00.000 what up everybody welcome to another episode of pearl daily

00:00:14.000 Feminism was an irreversible process.

00:00:34.040 They gave women the ability to be whores and thoughts, yes.

00:00:48.060 And I know you might be thinking, fellas, we really need to save the West.

00:00:58.700 But on this channel, I don't sell you hope.

00:01:03.540 And I'm telling you it's probably for the best.

00:01:08.620 Society isn't your problem.

00:01:11.620 You didn't ask for this bullshit.

00:01:22.200 Society isn't your problem.

00:01:24.600 If you're a guy at the bottom, there's not shit you can do about it.

00:01:36.280 Now look, most of us in life, we don't have a lot of influence.

00:01:43.720 not really jack shit that we can do about the marriage and divorce laws. I can do my

00:02:01.600 best, but I want to be honest with you. There's billions of dollars every year that a lot

00:02:11.200 people are robbing for men and this includes the lawyers the judges there's

00:02:23.620 not that much we can do about it cuz the hoes are gonna ho keep it on the low

00:02:34.520 Nobody has to know, hoes are gonna hoe, it doesn't matter what I say on a podcast, there's some bitches that are gonna gluck gluck 9,000 with no class, there's always some bitches that are gonna throw it back, hoes are gonna hoe.

00:03:02.900 oh keep it on the low hoes are gonna hold keep it on the low nobody has to know

00:03:16.340 hoes are gonna hold thank you everybody thank you um he said i look tired fuck you you look

00:03:25.580 i hate it when people say that it's like what do you want me to say i'm sorry my face couldn't

00:03:30.580 look better for you. I'm sorry. I just, I couldn't be better looking. It's like, what do you want

00:03:36.860 from me? What do you want from me? All right. Today, we're going to be reacting to Andrew

00:03:49.560 Wilson debating entrepreneurs in cars. I meant to do this a while ago, but wait, I can't hold on.

00:04:04.460 Hmm. Let me find it. I'm going to be honest. I'm friends with Andrew. So this is no hate to him at

00:04:10.500 all. Um, I, I usually agree more with the red pill guys in this stuff, but anything I say,

00:04:17.940 i mean the utmost respect to andrew all the time um okay we'll go through my twitter first and then

00:04:24.900 we can like we can go a different direction i could not stop laughing kanye west is set to

00:04:33.500 take the bar exam i'm gonna pass the bar and finish what kim started i if he passes i will

00:04:40.440 cry laughing oh sean strickland won his fight yesterday i'm so proud of him um

00:04:47.940 what a guy you know he's one of the most entertaining people in the ufc

00:04:51.340 the most entertaining by the way ring girls they tend to be in the eight to ten category

00:04:56.560 um just in general if there's a male audience like only fans models porn stars um that's

00:05:03.300 generally eight to ten like this girl i'd put her at an eight probably eight yeah listen here you

00:05:10.340 motherfuckers i know you guys you know you might want your local mexican to win

00:05:18.900 there's nothing wrong with that but let me tell you to the lone star state there's only one

00:05:25.300 motherfucker who stands and bangs your guy wrestles i fight more like a mexican than that

00:05:32.100 oh i didn't retweet him all the i'll pull it up later um oh my god his post interview

00:05:43.540 from the fight was hilarious he kicked the out of that guy oh my god it was so funny

00:05:50.260 i thought this was hilarious clavicular is gonna do a new segment where he catches hoes

00:05:55.780 i'm like how to catch a predator it's how to catch a hoe do you know what we have to start

00:05:58.660 doing instead of pred catching we have to catch like sluts you know what i mean who are are down

00:06:03.380 and we'll make them call their fathers be like your daughter was just about to have a one-night

00:06:06.900 stand with a random guy she met on the internet 15 minutes oh my god this is okay this is from

00:06:16.900 the landlord that called into the show a bunch of them this is how black people live apparently

00:06:26.660 this is from when i lived in london bro guys they say pearl why don't why don't you like

00:06:37.680 why don't you like living in london isn't it it can't be that bad it can't be

00:06:45.100 you know it's it's fine it's nothing you know

00:06:50.380 you you complain so much about it what's so awful it literally looked like pakistan where i used to

00:06:58.080 live incredible all right let's see this lady

00:07:10.200 nice guys or bad boys bad boys why they're more fun is this guy a bad boy he's bad i'm bad

00:07:22.240 craig welcome to the gym today we're here we're working both arms and abs here come to the office

00:07:28.620 first up craig we're going to start out doing these i love this i've seen this guy's um

00:07:33.980 this guy's chip that's genius marketing

00:07:37.880 all right hold on let me pull up sean strickland

00:07:42.440 sean all right let's see sean strickland for media because i think they muted his mic

00:07:51.320 like i mean look at the nfl dude you had that i don't even want to say that it's name because

00:07:56.960 like it's just like what what is somebody give me his name just go say his name i want to say

00:08:01.100 you know i'm talking about the halftime go the halftime show guy the puerto rican right puerto

00:08:05.300 rican bro yeah that like dude it is so crazy that this is america now like back in the day dude the

00:08:12.860 nfl was like the nfl was the standard of being a man and now every year the nfl i think they all

00:08:20.880 get together around a table and say you know guys how do we ruin this sport how do we get it up how

00:08:27.380 we ruin it well i'll tell you what why don't we bring a gay foreigner who doesn't speak english

00:08:32.660 and have him perform it like get the and then you have like yeah dude it's like the nfl is like

00:08:38.180 pathetic these days so even like the nfl players can probably hate it yeah no nfl's i think we'd

00:08:44.340 all agree the nfl got real okay lately like i mean look at the nfl dude you had that i don't think

00:08:48.980 yeah this is can you imagine you're just like trying to keep your sponsors

00:08:52.500 you're trying to keep your sponsors and um strickland just oh i saw this this is funny

00:09:01.240 from day to day what he says during media day and things like that doesn't affect your booking

00:09:06.220 of him right you are still happy to put him in those that's a nightmare i mean but you guys don't

00:09:10.620 help asking them dumb shit you know ask dumb shit you're gonna get dumb shit what'd you think of

00:09:17.860 bad buddy how would you think of the super bowl the fuck out of here you fucking kidding me yeah

00:09:23.220 so when you talk about what strickland says you guys like to push the buttons what he says

00:09:28.840 incredible let me see what else

00:09:32.840 dude you're out here looking like a gay ass pirate oh they cut him off dan hooker the semen in your

00:09:40.500 asshole who wants to see fucking two you know two little goat fuckers go at it you want to see a

00:09:44.900 real fucking american fight this little chechenean fucking whore in american soil i don't think

00:09:50.040 you're gonna get on the white house cards maybe i gotta go hang up with epstein or some shit

00:09:53.820 i guarantee you fucking jamaia will go to a fucking island that motherfucker's going all

00:09:58.260 day long that dirty little fucker you got one pierce earring dude don't act like you're a

00:10:02.440 classy guy you dirty fuck let me tell you about this little bitch we're gonna ask some stupid

00:10:06.780 quick go go come on amy let's talk about the gays let's talk about the trans come on amy let's get

00:10:12.780 fucking paramount to call me and bitch at me nah it's like i'll make fun of gays if chance i get

00:10:17.500 guys don't worry about that i'm not i support your lifestyle well i'm not gay you're not gay

00:10:22.060 seriously no hey don't you laugh you navy veteran hey you're in the navy bro relax we know about you

00:10:29.660 guys wait what's what's the navy joke i don't get it is there anybody that's 35 around here anybody

00:10:37.020 you know close to 35 years old can you picture being 35 years old and meeting a sweet little

00:10:44.820 14 year old aspen lad and saying i'm gonna marry her when she turns 18 that's what fucking jim

00:10:53.820 west did who's really like entertaining you got chamaya of the fucking goat fucker oh that's a

00:11:00.180 up anyways oh they muted his mic

00:11:05.660 well congratulations to strickland i interviewed strickland a few months ago

00:11:18.000 um and we you know he can beat these fuckers in the ring but he can't beat me in a debate

00:11:24.120 okay yeah you know but he's he's hilarious we're fans of strickland what he's a nice guy

00:11:30.000 okay um all right we're gonna we're gonna go to the debate why smart men don't get married

00:11:36.620 oh my other take today so all right i'll i'll do one riff i'll do one riff and it's about surrogacy

00:11:46.540 and i recently me and doug mpa have we beefed about surrogacy because i think surrogacy is

00:11:53.980 great for men I think it's incredible so I tweeted this I tweeted this today surrogacy is a great

00:12:00.160 option for men because they're actually good parents the kids will be well-rounded and I got

00:12:04.920 so much pushback um Rachel Wilson's coming in and saying no I have to disagree on this take a child

00:12:13.660 needs a mother you know I I you know and even Doug MPA he came at me respectfully right Doug

00:12:23.760 mpa and he's saying like pearl it's uh i forgot what he said but it was something along the lines

00:12:29.200 of like only that's for losers right like um if you could put your take in the chat doug mpa

00:12:36.960 maybe i convinced him i don't know but i think his original take was that

00:12:42.560 because you're like going in as a failure you're like you're essentially you're not even trying

00:12:46.640 you know and i understand that logic you know i do understand because i think a lot of times we

00:12:51.520 think of women that do ivf and they're complete losers right they're complete losers like they

00:12:56.800 have no relationship skills they have no people skills they can't and their kids are just going

00:13:02.240 to be awful um because women have no structure and it doesn't matter if it's a kid or it's a dog

00:13:07.280 right you see like the dogs that women raise are terribly trained but the dogs that men raise

00:13:13.840 are beautifully trained like myron's dog can go on the street um and it doesn't even need a

00:13:21.120 leash my dog i can't even get to stop barking for a live stream like occasionally you'll hear in the

00:13:25.920 background right i'm not um special or different than any women i just notice these things right

00:13:31.920 i'm like the eternal noticer and in china there was a guy who um he was a guy in china and he

00:13:40.160 became a father by egg donation and he picked a white woman right he found white now his daughter's

00:13:45.520 half white half half asian single mothers by choice are their devil they're selfish enough

00:13:51.760 to bring kids into a single parent situation men are not will yeah that's what i told you yesterday

00:13:56.560 yeah i changed i changed his mind um men are not women we are selfless not selfish yeah so

00:14:03.520 this guy in china says i want to be a dad but women are terrible you know and it's not you

00:14:07.520 guys's fault that like you can't hire a woman you know you could hire an employee you could hire a

00:14:13.120 nanny to raise your kid and that would actually be better because if the nanny acts up you can fire

00:14:18.320 the nanny and get a new one right you can offer incentives for the nanny to say you know you could

00:14:23.760 say hey good behavior i'll give you a raise in 10 years women you can't do that right there's

00:14:29.440 no firing mechanism there's no incentive um there's no incentive structure so i'm actually

00:14:37.280 very pro-surrogate you know and i bet that guy got so much pushback can you imagine like 20 years

00:14:43.200 ago the kid's like what 16 20 somewhere there um and i bet he got so much pushback right

00:14:53.440 i bet he got so much pushback from everyone around him saying he was wrong probably you

00:14:58.400 know similar to this saying he was wrong for like wanting a kid you know and and doing it

00:15:02.240 the surrogacy way because anything women do if men do it it's like the looks maxers

00:15:06.000 when women looks max it's um celebrated when men looks max it's shame right and i bet i bet he got

00:15:13.040 so much pushback saying oh like that's wrong well his kid's an olympian now that how many

00:15:20.960 single fathers do that and it's like i bet it's like one out of a hundred raised like olympian

00:15:26.400 or neutral like yeah if a man wants to have a kid he he should try to bear the child in marriage

00:15:32.000 not the single parent by choice crap yeah i disagree i disagree because women are terrorists

00:15:37.520 and okay by by entering having a kid in a marriage just a lot from a logical point

00:15:42.960 of view we take out the emotions right like you know love blah blah blah i i don't know a single

00:15:49.840 woman that does not try to exert control over her husband i don't i don't think i know a single

00:15:59.120 teenager whose mother didn't terrorize them in some way either by being too controlling

00:16:04.400 to like i don't know one so we know the odds like just anecdotally we know the odds of having a

00:16:10.400 torturous mother especially now with social media it's going to be worse right so we know

00:16:15.680 the odds of having a torturous mother is like 99 out of 100. so knowing those odds it would just

00:16:23.280 makes sense to you know get a designer baby and raise it perfectly like i think most kids thinking

00:16:31.280 of their mom not around sounds like heaven on earth no nagging no complaining i know somebody

00:16:38.400 who's i'm not gonna say who but i i know somebody whose mother said oh you don't appreciate me and

00:16:44.000 this mother literally ran away and um this person said that they noticed that the dad was actually a

00:16:51.440 saint because when the mother ran away it was peace on earth without mothers like honestly

00:16:57.360 in general life would be heaven on earth because you know you cannot have a child

00:17:04.880 surrogacy is the only way for you to have um rights to your kid so it's like okay we're gonna

00:17:12.160 shame the guy because he doesn't want to give the woman rights to her like he wants a true patriarchal

00:17:20.080 situation he wants a true patriarchy right a true patriarchy means the man has authority

00:17:28.240 to fire anybody in the kid's life that sucks that sounds like heaven on earth because here's the

00:17:34.640 thing men like when women have a kid women treat the kid like a designer bag like it's it's a prop

00:17:41.600 for their instagram they have to use the kid for their reputation it's the kid's job to maintain

00:17:47.440 the parents reputation men don't care about their reputation they when they have a kid they want it

00:17:53.200 for selfless reasons they want they feel like they have a lot of love to give they feel like they

00:17:59.200 want to um be like they know they have fatherly traits they just cannot give now is it a little

00:18:07.440 bit embarrassing like it's kind of an l right it shows you can't get a woman to some degree but

00:18:12.320 who's taking the bigger l right the guy in family court taking that big i mean who's the bigger l

00:18:20.160 right the guy that can't get a to like he cannot get a so he just says it

00:18:24.640 these are insane let me go get my kid and i'm gonna raise an olympian right or

00:18:30.880 the guy that's begging in divorce court for his kids at least one's not gravel you know

00:18:35.600 groveling i i mean is the player in a better position when the baby mama gets mad that he

00:18:41.360 cheated and then she cheats back and then and then now he like now he's so frustrated with

00:18:47.520 the he says take child support i'll see you at 18 juanito or just don't have i mean that's an

00:18:55.040 option but if a guy wants what he wants which is a kid like i really don't think it's selfish

00:19:00.560 for a man to use a surrogate i think it's selfish for a woman to use a surrogate and i it's different

00:19:06.080 because the women like men naturally just have like they have structure they have order they're

00:19:11.540 selfless and they have all these skills they have all these amazing skills that they can pass on to

00:19:16.980 the kids women have trauma they can pass on to the kids women pass on their trauma men pass on

00:19:24.320 their expertise right like beyonce you know why beyonce was such an amazing like mother

00:19:31.560 or sorry sorry not mother you know i know why beyonce was such an amazing singer

00:19:37.260 uh because her parents got a music teacher to like live with her and that's why she has such

00:19:44.140 an amazing voice because this teacher like taught her from the time she was a kid i just think like

00:19:49.860 if i think of a single father home i think of paradise on earth

00:19:55.000 um i literally what i am envisioning is paradise why do women want the ring because with the ring

00:20:06.640 they know there's a thousand more times more difficult to cut her loose yeah and she's

00:20:10.980 getting older and uglier rich cooked this entire debate

00:20:15.920 yeah and i understand why you'd say i'm with doug because i think it's kind of an icky feeling like

00:20:24.120 it kind of feels icky you know to do the surrogacy it feels icky but it honestly i don't think it's

00:20:36.880 a bad thing because like what is best for the kids that would be like if anything if anything

00:20:43.660 i think it's almost more selfish to have a kid with a woman in this economy i think it's more

00:20:48.720 selfish because you're saying i want this love and affection that you know deep down women aren't

00:20:53.460 going to give you and you're saying oh well i want some help to raise the kid right but you know

00:20:58.680 women aren't going to do that either and you know it's going to fail so it's like you're asking this

00:21:03.760 woman you're basically saying because like i want my child to be tortured because it's worse for the

00:21:10.600 kids because you got to work right obviously the woman's going to do nothing um and now the kid

00:21:16.780 gets tortured. You know, like, come on, any guy in the chat, you just know you would raise a good

00:21:24.360 kid. You know that if you would ultimate authority, right, you would raise a good kid.

00:21:33.780 You would raise a beautiful child. I just know you would, right? But it's like the women just

00:21:42.960 get in there and they just ruin it my mom was so evil like can you just imagine like just imagine

00:21:50.740 your childhood without your mother i bet you 85 percent would be better

00:22:01.800 well and you know the guys with good moms is like oh well i had a good mom why are you bragging you

00:22:09.240 know that's not the norm. You know, like 85% of mothers are crazy. You know it.

00:22:17.840 I paid child support for 27 years. Wouldn't your life have been easier if you just paid a bitch to

00:22:23.220 have your kid? Wouldn't your life have been easier, right? Wouldn't that just have been

00:22:34.480 more effective women figured it out and you know it's like why are men expected to do the right

00:22:40.720 thing when women aren't so okay do the right thing do it in a two-parent home well I mean

00:22:47.400 that's fine and dandy when you're not negotiating with terrorists but women have a terrorist level

00:22:53.720 of power that we're not willing to give up until women collectively give up their power I think

00:22:59.140 surrogacy is fair game i think surrogacy because that's the only way you can have the best

00:23:05.240 environment for a child which is patriarchy um patriarchy is what's best a man making the final

00:23:13.880 decision and and that's why i just never understood you know doug mp i think leans more this way kevin

00:23:19.740 samuels leans more this way they say but pearl but pearl but pearl you know you have to do it

00:23:25.240 the right way in the context of a marriage i'm like the right way according to who women

00:23:31.240 like what we want to like because if if patriarchy is what's right you're just itching further away

00:23:39.000 from patriarchy like you're just going like further and further and you're getting like

00:23:43.800 you're saying give the woman more leverage or you're immoral why you guys can put your arguments

00:23:50.440 in the chat and i'll i'll you know but i just don't yeah god man women children but you know

00:23:57.240 because women love single dads so then you can if you want maybe your second kid could be like for

00:24:06.760 real right like you could have it with a mother and a father but at least that first kid you can um

00:24:14.520 you know you can at least fire her and then you know she's got like five years to like

00:24:21.160 and you could just lie right just said you say you have a kid with a crackhead just say you know

00:24:25.480 i had a kid with a kid with a crackhead and she kicked rocks and you got to make sure if you tell

00:24:30.920 anybody just make sure you don't tell any women because the women will spill the secret um just

00:24:35.800 tell the man the upside of surrogacy no there's huge upsides right one i mean your genetic leg

00:24:44.520 genetic lineage goes on um you get to have a family you get to have a kid

00:24:50.280 like that just sounds like heaven on earth a family without a mother wow

00:24:54.920 yeah successful kids you're a hundred percent in control of how that kid turns out

00:25:14.520 have kids with a younger woman to buy as much happiness until reality steves into marriage

00:25:26.020 have you seen the younger women now i mean they're on their phones good luck getting

00:25:29.920 her off your phone to be a mom i mean this is what motherhood will look like

00:25:34.380 the kid will be like i mean at least again the nanny you could fire you know

00:25:51.520 raised my daughter on my own for 16 years and the paramet pandemic hit

00:25:56.140 tiktok and snapchat now she's gone haven't spoken with her in five years yeah

00:26:01.140 make your home good yourself get meals delivered yeah and you won't then you also won't have a

00:26:08.120 lifetime of slavery right because if let's say you're married and you have a lifelong marriage

00:26:13.220 it's not like you can take the bitches like credit card away i mean women just swipe swipe swipe and

00:26:18.740 you know what you could do with all that extra money that you that you're you're keeping now

00:26:22.720 and not spending on our useless things oh i don't know the kid could have a college fund

00:26:28.080 And you could maybe get some skating lessons like this woman here.

00:26:32.420 yeah see you're you're making the argument for surrogacy your mom was a scumbag most of my life

00:27:00.300 yeah I know wouldn't it would just be peace on earth they're all saying it would have been

00:27:06.580 perfect yeah and even okay so let's say you don't get a torturous woman but you end up divorced

00:27:12.700 like you most likely will end up divorced right like why why why do is there some virtue in trying

00:27:19.700 it's like oh you need to try well not really like okay if I look at a game and the game is

00:27:28.940 completely rigged against me and i find a way to not play the game which is surrogacy now i'm a

00:27:35.880 selfish person because i don't want to play a game that's stacked against me if i was a man i would

00:27:40.220 get a surrogate i would not give a fuck i would not yeah and co-parenting even if even if she

00:27:46.820 doesn't steal your money right she every time you piss her off she's just gonna tell the kids and

00:27:51.740 Now the kids are weapons.

00:27:55.700 The kids are weapons.

00:28:00.520 What is Corky Thatcher maxing?

00:28:09.740 It can come with a 100,000 mile limited powertrain warranty.

00:28:13.480 Yeah, and you can edit out all the retarded jeans.

00:28:16.020 so like you know um you don't want a kid that's like like let's say you want a handsome chad you

00:28:23.380 can like edit it and i know everyone's thinking but pearl but pearl that that feels wrong right

00:28:29.220 well i mean i didn't it's not like any of you asked to be born into this society you know

00:28:46.020 you know like that would be fair if you had the choice of a young bride that wanted to marry you

00:28:52.160 and have your children but most men don't get that choice that's reserved for like chad and tyrone

00:28:58.040 and a lot of the best fathers like a lot of the best fathers if we're going to be honest here

00:29:03.980 there's a reason women want to cuck them because we know on a genetic level they would make good

00:29:09.960 dads but terrible lovers you know that's why women are like doing these sexless marriages

00:29:14.720 because they're like i have to have a kid with this dork you know but i'm gonna have to have

00:29:21.020 sex with him for a day this is gonna be terrible you know and that's how women think you know

00:29:27.020 but so a lot of the men that would like a lot of men this is their choice a most likely future of

00:29:34.100 a sexless marriage because they're just never going to be a woman's first choice or really be

00:29:38.160 that guy to a woman or right or a surrogacy i think surrogacy is better you know

00:29:45.840 my mom was a pimp and a terrorist surrogate is the ultimate i think it's the ultimate form of

00:29:54.980 love from a man to a child not a woman i think if mom wants full custody she should be able to

00:30:03.420 provide for those children and not ask for child support from the other parent

00:30:06.860 the right way is according to the bible well the bible way isn't an option

00:30:15.140 that is not an option in 2026 you don't get the choice of the bible way

00:30:21.560 you don't because the bible way would not allow the woman to steal the kids and rob you

00:30:28.100 what if men's just take women's power yeah but that's not going to happen

00:30:39.820 i'm not like these trad cunts they sell you hope that there's going to be some change

00:30:44.580 um most people are the men at the bottom or middle managers

00:30:49.320 right most of you don't have the choice um to really impact society

00:30:58.100 i don't think surrogacy i'm sorry i don't think most i don't think kids really need a mother i

00:31:19.920 don't i i like i think if i saw examples of mother like you know the best mother i know

00:31:28.320 there's a mother i'm thinking of and she's the best most involved parent i know she still drove

00:31:32.920 that whole house crazy she was so hilarious but oh my god like like me right can you imagine just

00:31:39.740 having me like giving my takes 24 it's like fun on a show because you can mute me or pause it but

00:31:44.800 this would not this would draw like imagine like i'm just in the kitchen complaining about

00:31:49.820 you're like i don't want to hear that that's i want peace at my house women we just have this

00:31:56.140 chaos like we don't bring peacefulness i don't think we really bring any value like to a house

00:32:03.160 i think um we're lucky to get the value from the men the men have the value and sometimes

00:32:08.680 they can pass it on to women who listen but women don't listen so

00:32:12.340 you know yeah you're saying the father rule over women and children yeah but it's impossible for

00:32:23.900 a man to rule over the women so yeah um that's not a choice you cannot you can't rule without

00:32:32.780 authority. I've been following you for a long time. I love your points of view. I'm in LE.

00:32:59.860 I see this stuff every day, how courts treat the men.

00:33:18.840 I don't know, because this guy in China did it, and his kid is an Olympian, right?

00:33:24.960 She's a non-political Olympian.

00:33:27.080 by the way if you want to donate to the divorce documentary

00:33:36.220 the link to that is in the description we're redoing our app so

00:33:41.020 this month the best way to support me really is the divorce documentary

00:33:45.700 donations because we're about to switch everybody from one app to the other

00:33:53.880 so

00:33:57.080 women can be ruled yeah but you can you can also win the lottery it doesn't mean it's really likely

00:34:06.060 you know there you're like oh there's those like three people that did it um

00:34:12.200 it's like well

00:34:15.160 that's like three out of a hundred you know

00:34:27.080 decent men want to be good fathers in an indecent time period history is like a rubber band it

00:34:35.140 tends to snap back at a certain point whether or not society's ready or not that's a catastrophic

00:34:40.240 thing to believe um look that train of thought yes it does snap back but how long do you think

00:34:50.300 it took rome to fall it took like 250 years i think even some historians say longer

00:34:57.580 so that's like three or four generate you'll be dead by the time it snaps back like maybe okay

00:35:05.800 maybe like by by the time it snaps back uh you're gonna be dead or close to it you know close enough

00:35:14.920 to it. Who cares? Children need their mother up to a certain point in life. Well, if that

00:35:44.900 were true. Why are, why is the most, okay. That's the dumbest take ever. Do you know anything about

00:35:51.420 the child abuse statistics and infant mortality? Okay. Really kids need their mother. All right.

00:36:00.980 Well, the most dangerous place that a kid can be in the mother's womb, right?

00:36:08.960 Oh, well, kids, they, they really need their mother. It's like, well, then why are women so

00:36:13.620 good at abusing their children. I don't know. I look. It's not. Women show love and support, really.

00:36:32.720 Women show love and support if you do exactly what she wants. But as life goes on and she gets less

00:36:39.140 of what she wants because she's uglier right you get uglier and men just even on a subconscious

00:36:44.820 level they treat you worse even if they love you like because you're old and ugly now you know

00:36:49.780 you're just you're an old ugly woman and so then you get less of what you want because men in

00:36:55.160 general just aren't going to cater to you as much and then women crash out and are not loving and

00:37:00.640 supportive because they're not getting what they want so

00:37:02.840 pearls never met an actual patriarch that's that's true actually maybe one or two

00:37:11.560 but even so their wives were still we just bring chaos you know but wouldn't that actually go to

00:37:19.100 my point that most men are not going to get women that listen to them you know

00:37:24.640 250 years, yeah, around that, around that, okay, so we're about, let's see, I think

00:37:35.700 everything started going to shit, maybe when women got the right to vote, okay, so that was like 1920,

00:37:42.300 now we're in 2026 i think 106 years okay so if we go at rome's pace uh it'll fall apart by the time

00:37:55.200 i'm super dead like like okay so i'm i'm 29 and then we go down to

00:38:04.120 uh, okay. So, all right, let's see. 250 minus. Okay. Yeah. So I'll be dead. I mean, that's the

00:38:17.120 math. I'll be dead. I'll be dead. You know? So you might win the lot. You're like saying, well,

00:38:32.500 you might win the lottery someday. Well, honestly, real question. I know I just talked what's going

00:38:51.640 to happen when women hit retirement. I watched a woman cry because of a dental bill. Reality's

00:38:55.440 coming. So what happens next? Well, it's called prostitution is going to get legalized. And a lot

00:39:00.540 of those. You're going to have a lot of old hookers on the street. Gluck, gluck, 9,000.

00:39:06.480 Gluck, gluck, 9,000.

00:39:13.540 AI, I won't have to wait long. AI and robots will

00:39:16.480 fast track the 200-year timeline. Well, that's what

00:39:20.500 people can predict, but everything

00:39:24.620 seems to be going kind of fine. I think AI is just going to move more

00:39:28.420 people into the service industry because young women will keep getting, okay, this is what's

00:39:32.740 going to happen. Young women are going to be soft prostitutes or full prostitutes, right? So that's

00:39:37.460 young women are going to do only fans, sugar babies, et cetera. So that's how they're going

00:39:41.400 to get money from men. Now, young women or debt, you know, college debt. So now young women have

00:39:47.060 all the spending or maybe their father's money. Now young women have the ability to spend a bunch

00:39:52.080 of money and everybody's trying to get it from them, even though it's indirectly men's money,

00:39:56.240 right and so what's going to happen is there's going to be all these useless services it's

00:40:01.200 already happening like in front of my eyes like if i go to my gym right and i have an expensive gym

00:40:06.120 i love this gym and it's worth every penny um however there's a bunch of add-ons so when i go

00:40:11.540 to my gym there's all this stuff i don't buy it because my gyms it's like expensive well all right

00:40:18.060 i get it now and then but i can see what's happening right because i live it um there's

00:40:23.480 all these services coming in to take women's money. That's like totally overpaid. So if I go

00:40:29.720 to the gym, I can get a stretch, like essentially a stretch session where they, they just, they do

00:40:35.160 like deep stretching. I can get a massage. I can get my eyebrows done. I can get my, I got my hair

00:40:40.400 dyed at my gym. I can sign up for daycare. Right. Um, so this gym, um, they're even going to add

00:40:47.880 in apartments on some of this like at some of these gyms so these places are going to just keep

00:40:55.260 they're going to offer overpriced apartments they're going to offer like that's what's going

00:40:59.520 to happen um there's like pilates like one-on-one classes i can sign up for

00:41:04.640 and this is going to be everywhere um volleyball right volleyball used to be something you paid

00:41:12.240 for your kids now people aren't having kids i pay like 50 bucks a month for a membership to like

00:41:18.000 play volleyball so i can like play whenever i feel like playing at these like weeks

00:41:23.420 um on top of that there's a nail place like by me so when i go to the nail place i can go and

00:41:30.440 get my nails done if i want i don't i don't it's not really my thing i'm more of a gym person but

00:41:35.120 like if I want to, I can go get my nails done. Um, I can't, I can get the next door to the nail

00:41:42.880 place is a Botox and filler place, right? Like, um, you can at the nail place, you can get really

00:41:51.260 expensive nails where you, they put fake nails on. Um, you can get eyelash extensions. You can get

00:41:58.540 they're spray tans um and then i go home right and i can either walk to the grocery store or

00:42:05.700 they can uber eats and do delivery and that's how a bunch of people will make money

00:42:09.220 um now there's meal prep services so you can get that too um

00:42:15.240 you can get a cleaner you know and so what's going to happen is the people that are high

00:42:21.980 status which is high earning men and um young women are essentially going to be like the high

00:42:28.380 status um part of society and then normal earning or low earning men are gonna somehow

00:42:35.340 get money from the hot women so it's like married women or um married women or young women either

00:42:44.300 through sex work marriage um etc so the money is going to go to the men that are high earning

00:42:50.380 they're going to give it to the women sugar baby whatever it is then the women are going to buy

00:42:55.500 stuff they can't afford they're going to save none of the money um so that's going to be rent

00:42:59.580 that they cannot afford um laundry services like young women they don't know how to do anything so

00:43:07.820 yeah and that's really what's just going to keep happening

00:43:09.980 so like when the women age out of the sexual marketplace well what's going to happen is

00:43:24.520 they're going to get a service industry job and that's kind of what you see people like going

00:43:28.360 towards um like they're gonna they're gonna work as service workers to the high status people

00:43:37.440 whether it's through delivery uber um that's what i think is going to happen so

00:44:01.760 um once china i mean but this is kind of what people in media want to sell you they always

00:44:06.080 want to sell you hope and say oh it's going to get better it's like no what what indication do

00:44:14.800 we have that it's going to change once china reveals a child growing in a tank you'll see

00:44:18.960 corporations in the u.s drool over a new market with the wedding market and the baby market

00:44:22.720 crashing you can bet corporations will put it push it hard look i mean remember 90 of people

00:44:28.480 used to be farmers and then factories came in like it's just going to move it um to different

00:44:35.120 industries. Marrying a mid is a selling point after the risks of marriage. Not being able to

00:44:56.560 remarry is too high. You could be a tyrant if you wanted to. Not really. Mids can totally bang out

00:45:03.820 of their league, and that'll convince them that they can marry out of their league.

00:45:26.800 I was thinking, so I was talking to this first responder today, okay, and he was telling me

00:45:32.160 how you could tell um actually i'm gonna i'm gonna do that at a different different day i'm

00:45:40.080 gonna actually do that riff on a different day see what else is in the chat before i start reacting

00:45:45.920 to this pearl needs super chats i do i do i might you guys are kind of cheap sometimes i mean not

00:45:55.560 always but you know sometimes i'm like don't make me pause the show i might need a minimum

00:46:01.680 them. Hmm. Hmm. I am a tyrant here. Um, cheap apartments above Costco. Good luck getting young

00:46:12.680 men to buy a house and raise a family. No, it's true. However, um, it's going to go for women too.

00:46:20.020 Like, so you're almost going to get communities that are attached to like businesses of some

00:46:25.080 sort. And I kind of see it like at my gym, there's people that have been going there five to 10 years

00:46:30.140 that know like everybody there like a lot of them don't have kids and i'm like huh

00:46:34.940 it's kind of like their version of a family you know um

00:47:00.140 driverless cars will replace uber drive don't worry there's an endless list of like useless

00:47:08.180 things you can sell to women it's endless right okay i'll just think of things that i've either

00:47:14.840 bought or been marketed to me let me just think so i have i'm just kind of embarrassing i have

00:47:21.420 bought i'm really trying to get my split so i did buy the stretch lab thing or it's like a stretch

00:47:26.440 thing at my gym. And, um, this is just, I don't know how to put it like, if anyone knows where

00:47:31.880 your adductors is, it's like your inner thigh. And it's very difficult to like stretch without

00:47:38.540 somebody like pushing. It's very hard to describe. It sounds weird, but like without someone pushing

00:47:44.540 down on it, um, I don't know, there's a certain way it moves anyways. And same with like, um,

00:47:50.820 your leg, like when you're first stretching, you want to push your leg anyways, who cares?

00:47:56.440 it was like 180 bucks for an hour session a stretch lab session so i was like oh wow can't buy that

00:48:07.160 i'll just admit it i bought it i bought it but i only i don't get it often that's like a

00:48:11.560 special thing you know um but yeah they'll there will be there's gonna be child care

00:48:18.760 fertility is he like now the plastic surgery industry i mean

00:48:24.440 yeah by the way guys i ask service workers like all the time what they see i i am constantly

00:48:32.120 asking service we're like just today right there's a stretch lab it's not stretch lab but it's like

00:48:38.840 a stretch guy at my gym i ask him what he sees because he has conversations with a lot of people

00:48:44.120 i also asked this guy in my gym that's a paramedic right he's telling me about the types of things

00:48:49.080 he sees but the stretch guy he said that you know because they were talking about nursing

00:48:55.240 being a hard job and i said i don't think it's hard i think women just like to complain and he

00:48:59.400 said yeah but a lot of them will do nursing and they say it's too hard and they go into um plastic

00:49:06.200 surgery so that's going to be huge like the high status women are going to want to keep being in

00:49:13.320 in the high status groups. They're just going to make new technology. Like, okay, let's go through

00:49:18.120 some of the tech that's out there. There's like Korean, like if I walk down, there's this part

00:49:23.260 of Dallas that's like pretty nice. I was looking at this sign, the shop today, and it has like

00:49:30.220 Korean skincare, PFP cell rejuvenation, Botox, filler, eyelash extension. Like I know women that

00:49:42.140 spend over 10 grand a year to maintain their looks i promise to god there is going to be

00:49:48.700 no shortage of useless to sell to women that will never end

00:49:56.140 that will never end as long as the woman's pretty and can get money from that i'm not going to show

00:50:01.740 you what the adductors are because it's just not yeah i'll show you on screen okay i'll show you

00:50:07.260 on screen i'm not i'm not all right so if you want to do the splits i don't know if anyone cares i'm

00:50:17.020 i talk about the splits a lot because i'm very excited for this goal okay i've been inflexible

00:50:22.380 my whole life and i'm very pat i'm i am in a not cute way passionate about this like i am because

00:50:31.980 i've just been the least flexible person ever so adductor is here if you see

00:50:39.220 it's like these inner thigh muscles so if you can't sit cross-legged it's because your adductors

00:50:46.620 are tight and for me personally that in the like that's been the hardest muscle to like stretch

00:50:54.300 to get the split so 180 an hour yeah um so

00:51:14.140 if women were virgins and pure but women aren't virgins and pure so dumb question like dumb

00:51:18.940 question, you know. BBL touch-ups, yeah. Because look, like, let's take, yeah, BBLs, you know,

00:51:34.900 women, then there's going to be the women that took it, that they got bad BBLs and they need

00:51:40.440 get removed. They're always so tight. Okay. I found the best way to stretch them. Okay. I know.

00:51:54.260 All right. If you don't want to pay a stretch session, you got to go to your adductor machine

00:52:00.240 and put the weight really high and the like the machine, like it goes in your inner thighs and

00:52:07.120 you're supposed to push it in right but if you like put it further out if you're inflexible

00:52:13.680 you can put it further out than is comfortable put the weight really high and it just holds

00:52:18.460 your adductors there and then you can like lean forward it's actually pretty nice anyways

00:52:23.860 but yeah everyone's saying look at everyone's saying there's gonna be um

00:52:31.140 a lack of jobs i don't know i think it's just like people i do think like the lower class

00:52:38.380 are going to get lower and lower wages and there's going to be a bigger divide between

00:52:42.120 high status and low status society unfortunately the men will be okay because a lot of the men's

00:52:48.480 industries are gonna like um are gonna be stable because you need truckers i guess maybe if we get

00:52:55.240 self-driving cars that would be a problem but um like what else have i seen you know these like

00:53:01.140 volleyball, like, okay, volleyball, right? I played volleyball as a kid and I had a pretty

00:53:07.220 semi-professional career till I was like 27. I'm going to do a tournament next month. That's going

00:53:13.280 to cost money. If I wanted to, I don't because I just have better things to do now. If I wanted

00:53:20.100 to, I could join a semi-professional up to a professional level team and do that like 40

00:53:27.000 hours a week and they could take my money there. I can pay for like, I get ads all the time on

00:53:32.380 Instagram from like a volleyball coach who said he wants to coach people between like 25 and 40.

00:53:37.700 It's like, why would he want to coach them and do like training? Oh, it's because, you know,

00:53:42.820 they have money. Can't you make a list of stretches? Yeah, you can. To be honest, I wanted,

00:53:55.280 I actually do that, I remember, and then I just have Nuke do it.

00:54:14.200 Yeah, plumbers, and this is a great thing.

00:54:16.640 Again, it's the service economy.

00:54:18.140 So a lot of the tradesmen, they're going to be employed forever.

00:54:20.800 Women are going to keep buying houses they can't maintain,

00:54:23.020 and then they're just going to be milked like the money like women aren't it's not really going to

00:54:29.340 make sense for women to own a house anymore because they're going to keep increasing the

00:54:32.700 prices of houses that's going to keep realtors in business and now plumbers and electricians

00:54:39.420 are going to be car mechanics all of those industries are going to go up

00:54:45.340 yeah like you said i make candles i mean i would just find a way to charge women a thousand dollars

00:54:55.620 for some specialty candle that is like i would make a specialty candle um that could charge

00:55:03.340 women a thousand dollars for and i would call it like um i would make it something to do with

00:55:11.760 astrology some astrology bullshit i would put it in there and i would say yes women this is maybe

00:55:18.480 like you can curse your ex with this candle i don't know like i just don't really see ai like

00:55:28.120 if anything ai is gonna make the gender divide worse because a lot of the things you would ask

00:55:35.660 men for you can just ask ai like um you know we're going back to villages i don't think so at all

00:55:43.960 i i actually think it's going to be more cities i think villages are going to disappear

00:55:48.780 not one super chat all of this all of this hilarious riffing and not even one super chat

00:55:59.320 it's like what am i here for what am i here for i should have started in only fans i bet i bet

00:56:06.500 somebody in the chat would pay for that it's like what am i doing what am i doing with my life i

00:56:12.320 should have been a sex worker like the rest of these i'm just kidding i'm just i'm just messing

00:56:18.040 I'm just messing. Hey, hey, it's not begging. It's called nagging. Look into it. Look into it.

00:56:37.180 I'm just messing. All right. All right. We're going to actually watch this debate now. Now

00:56:40.880 that we've hung out for an hour. I got to talk about my splits training. Thank you for the super

00:56:50.000 chat. Thank you. That's it I was waiting for. You see my face light up. Yeah, no, but I bet there's

00:56:57.560 some stupid woman out there. There's some stupid woman that you could, if you made a candle that's

00:57:03.680 like special or something, like you can just convince her. You could just convince. I don't

00:57:09.840 know but like whatever you do i would just find a way to sell whatever you do to stupid women

00:57:16.120 but here's the problem men do have consciences so

00:57:20.340 you know there's also a whole health care industry like health care is gonna go from

00:57:27.700 you know because women are gonna keep being fat right so there's gonna be all these industries

00:57:33.360 that are made just off of women's poor choices so like one bad choice is women are fat and being

00:57:38.760 fat causes all these other issues like um being fat i would say is a symptom of not being able to

00:57:44.120 cook pomegranate see he's he's coming together at the candle and so like you're gonna have like

00:57:52.040 there's all these hormone dot and they might even be true right they like the hormone doctors

00:57:57.480 might actually be accurate in like diagnosing some of the problem like you know then you get allergies

00:58:05.880 and now you have an underdeveloped face and that happened to me now i have tmj right so

00:58:11.560 hypothetically someone could milk me for the tmj solve that problem you know

00:58:20.920 but most like you know there's i back home like there was a nutritionist that i went to a few

00:58:27.560 times i just got it to get the scan they have like a super accurate scan there but even that

00:58:32.920 like a man would be like why don't you just use the scale

00:58:37.800 like it's just we're so stupid and do you know what it's like being me

00:58:41.080 because it's like i know i'm like people will and this is the

00:58:48.040 hard thing as a commentator is people tell you you're smart all the time

00:58:51.400 but i am sure to never believe it i'm sure to never believe it because

00:58:57.000 just the amount of dumb i do it's just incredible

00:59:02.920 just incredible you know what i mean it's like um how would you oversell to women um so when you

00:59:13.300 want to sell to women you want to add in some useless shit that makes them feel good so like

00:59:19.880 there is this expensive dentist i got a quote from from the tmj stuff

00:59:23.980 and like they asked me if i wanted um what was it called like an eye mask in the lobby

00:59:32.920 how much do you think that eye mask costs and the little things like that like i don't know

00:59:44.360 what you could do for plumbing i mean you're a man you can think about it yeah just like pilates

00:59:49.880 well but you have to understand the classes are because women don't want to teach ourselves how

00:59:55.320 to like lift and like met like okay when i'm learning something like the stretching stuff

01:00:01.400 i had to learn so much stuff like i have to learn what the adductors are and you have to do all this

01:00:07.180 work and really learning the best way to do something classes like personal trainers all

01:00:13.080 this stuff it just helps you skip the learning stuff because we're kind of like slow so we can't

01:00:18.180 do the learning so um it's like easy for me to just pay 180 bucks an hour and just say fix my

01:00:29.300 problem but it'll never be fixed really as a woman you got to know this it'll never i like

01:00:36.600 paying men to teach me things but they cannot do it for you they have to teach it to you

01:00:42.620 why is perlin to stretch i'll tell you why i'm a little bit i don't think i should talk about

01:00:52.760 this that much on my show because it's very unrelated but it's kind of like you ever like

01:00:57.700 do something i don't know like some guys one time i saw this guy in the park and he had like this um

01:01:03.860 the metal thing and i asked him about it and he was just so excited to talk to me about it

01:01:09.460 he just for hours was like he he talked my ear off about the history of the park and it was so

01:01:15.380 interesting actually i actually enjoyed the conversation that's how i feel about stretching

01:01:20.420 because um my the the bad things about being unflexible were just such big pain points for

01:01:26.980 me in my life um for years you know i couldn't sit cross-legged and i just felt like i was just

01:01:36.460 born inflexible i didn't realize i could fix it so when i learned the tools to like fix it i'm like

01:01:42.400 i want to go all the way with this because this was just such a big pain point for me you know

01:01:47.660 this this super this um this candle has a super floral scent you'll love it or the super has a

01:01:58.080 super floral scent okay no comment no the marriage documentary it's going we're just um we're waiting

01:02:07.560 on the contract from the lawyer but it's happening it's happening all right

01:02:13.600 flexibility is a superpower yeah i'm like mad i didn't realize how important it was when i was

01:02:23.340 younger because i just i i get i could talk about flexibility for like an hour i really

01:02:32.160 could talk about it for an hour that's how passionate i am about it because i was always

01:02:36.500 really strong and i was always athletic but it just hindered me in so many i keep going i keep

01:02:42.780 talking about it. I can't stop. I love talking about it. I'm so passionate, you know.

01:02:54.700 All right. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm going to shut up. We're here to talk about women,

01:02:59.080 you know, married. Oh no, the adductors are there. So the other muscle, sorry.

01:03:05.680 All right. All right. All right. All right. I'll listen for the flex. Oh, don't do that to me.

01:03:12.620 don't do that. Look, I'll tell you this. I'm almost at my front splits. In my experience,

01:03:24.160 it takes like, if you're terribly inflexible, it'll take you like two years of being pretty

01:03:29.200 consistent with it, like a few times a week stretching. And it just, it feels so, you don't

01:03:43.460 even know you're, it's like a pain you didn't even know that you had. Yeah. All right. All right.

01:03:49.380 Let's, let's watch the debate. Interesting phenomenon when you get two men together who

01:03:53.620 agree on many, many things, but disagree on some core issues. So kind of the audience is now in a

01:04:00.740 position to see a clash of ideas and make up their own mind. That's what the point is.

01:04:05.180 In this particular case, we're diving into if marriage in the West is good for men.

01:04:10.040 But the Christian ethicist, in this case me, this is a tough topic to navigate because it's full of

01:04:15.660 nuance and the ideas have to be scrutinized through a lens of non-Christians. And you have

01:04:21.420 to do that so that they'll understand where you're coming from, and I need to do it in a way that

01:04:26.200 still supports the Christian view. Many people have trouble with nuance because they take critical

01:04:31.720 thinking about a position as the adoption of the position itself. This is mostly just due to the

01:04:37.800 fact that many people are fucking stupid, and there isn't anything I can do about that, so I don't even

01:04:44.380 try. Instead, I want to meet them where they are and criticize the portions of the ideology I think

01:04:50.400 are incorrect and allow them to do the same in the case of mr cooper we will tangle on this core

01:04:56.960 idea is marriage worth it or not that's what it's going to come down to and to explore mr cooper's

01:05:01.840 view on this i've taken some time to review a lot of his content i haven't read his entire book

01:05:07.920 but i have read many excerpts from from it and so of course i'm not gonna be able to glean all

01:05:11.840 the insights i just didn't have time to read it but here's what i got of his basic view his view

01:05:18.000 is totally rational, according to both his book and online videos. Essentially,

01:05:24.340 the view is that the risk of marriage is due to the overlapping of the state, and in the view

01:05:29.940 of a contract, it's a really bad deal for men. Because marriage is a contract with the state,

01:05:35.620 and the state is seemingly biased against men, men have a lot to lose when it comes to assets,

01:05:40.540 and their most important asset, which is their children, to rulings which are unfair to the man

01:05:45.000 when it comes to divorces this is mostly true and you're not going to get any argument from me on

01:05:49.980 this further he expands that the chances of divorce are very high he cites 50 in many cases

01:05:57.020 but it's actually closer to 40 at least for first-time marriages but in the spirit of good

01:06:01.860 faith i'm also going to kind of concede that that's pretty damn high so another point of

01:06:06.860 concession there the rub comes in when we start to dive into these numbers as why does it say

01:06:13.380 Lord, Jake. They're actually very deceptive. Let me give you an example of why we have to be

01:06:18.160 cautious on this. An off-sited reference by the Manosphere is that while it's true, men are most

01:06:25.060 of the workplace fatalities which happen in the USA, especially the total. You know, these fatalities

01:06:31.640 are quite low. You'll hear feminists talk about this as well. That's kind of an overlap that they

01:06:36.420 have, at least in totality. But the reason why this is important is because when we break down

01:06:42.340 the fields in which men are actually dying the majority of them are in construction logging and

01:06:48.180 fishing so if you wanted to mitigate risk when it came to work for instance you would probably tell

01:06:55.380 men not to avoid working in jobs which are physically perilous but to avoid working in

01:07:00.740 specific jobs which are very perilous because those are where you're going to incur the most

01:07:05.300 amount of risk of death um yeah but it's a little bit different because like i don't think it's a

01:07:13.780 good analogy because some men like that adventure and they kind of like the risk of death you know

01:07:21.700 and the upside is they get like the respect at their job you know because men care about being

01:07:27.300 respected and if you do a super dangerous job it's not really like the fear of death i i don't really

01:07:34.100 think most men fear death what is worse than death is another man banging your wife and raising your

01:07:44.060 kid while you're in a different house i think that was like worse so i don't really i mean you guys

01:07:52.880 can tell me i just like i don't know the guys that do the super dangerous jobs that i've spoken to

01:07:59.100 even like crab fishing they don't seem like resentful that they do these dangerous jobs if

01:08:04.260 anything they kind of they get paid they get compensated for it but it's the someone else

01:08:11.620 is banging my wife and raising my kids i think that is almost like worse you know

01:08:18.220 yeah and you pay them to exist while you're broke and start i don't really think that's the same

01:08:28.200 so which means i don't like debate i don't like debates partially because i'm not that good at

01:08:34.060 them but i just think differently like it's always like whoever talks fast and uses these

01:08:39.960 like they'll compare things that i just don't that you're really it's just so much better to

01:08:45.280 talk to boots on the ground it's why i always i always talk to service workers always always always

01:08:50.040 always and i ask i ask them like questions and you just get way more information than some guy

01:08:55.500 reading a study in order to avoid these risks in the workplace and serious injury these fields are

01:08:59.740 likely best avoided and that's how you would do risk mitigation in marriage it's no different

01:09:04.540 there are high risk groups and there's low risk groups the amish for instance have an almost zero

01:09:09.100 divorce rate you heard that right yeah but okay that doesn't really okay what percent of women

01:09:17.820 are amish in america like that's what they do in these debates it's like

01:09:23.180 like that's not really a good argument okay there's 400,000 Amish

01:09:30.260 oh total 345 million in the U.S.

01:09:39.580 so it's 0.12 percent of the population according to Grok

01:09:43.840 and plus I've seen shows where hold on

01:09:53.180 Like I've seen shows from ex-Amish and a lot of times the women do the same thing, like here, this girl.

01:10:05.480 And I come from the strictest form of Amish community and today.

01:10:11.880 Okay.

01:10:12.680 Yeah.

01:10:12.980 She's got fake hair, bow tie.

01:10:14.680 Did you see what I'm saying?

01:10:15.780 It's like.

01:10:16.080 I want to share with you.

01:10:17.180 She's overweight, you know, this girl is literally from an Amish community.

01:10:23.180 you know okay let me go back right zero you can source this from Amish studies at Elizabethtown

01:10:34.420 College with researchers confirming this Mennonites are about one percent Mormons 18 percent same with

01:10:40.240 Catholics Orthodox Christians even less than that 11 percent to 12 percent Muslims very low as well

01:10:45.920 atheists have surprisingly have an only an 11 percent chance but that's because they basically

01:10:50.980 avoid marriage and get married very late in life christians in name only are what are considered

01:10:56.580 nominal christians yeah and so but what they always do is they say like these people aren't

01:11:01.980 real christians and i i don't really like that argument because it's always just conveniently

01:11:08.880 whatever the podcaster just happens to be doing right now they didn't have to do it for a lifetime

01:11:13.900 it's just like okay i'm currently going to church or i'm currently doing this it's like uh okay

01:11:22.000 like what does i don't know even like when they say oh you have to go to church it's like okay

01:11:29.680 well my dad has lived a better like more religious life than 99 of christians

01:11:37.020 but he's not he like because he doesn't go to church i don't know all right let me keep going

01:11:47.760 these are people who don't go to church they don't really do much in the way of religious

01:11:51.080 practices actually have a much higher but okay they don't like is it it i don't know it just

01:11:57.420 sounds elitist to me like okay you realize they're shift workers that just don't go like

01:12:02.880 they're busy you know all right let me like okay yeah it's easy for us to go to church we have the

01:12:09.860 time you know what i mean like we're influencers we're like you know and it's always like convenient

01:12:18.820 because everyone becomes religious when they become an influencer it's like yeah it's it's easy

01:12:23.400 to when you have the time you know i don't know percentage rate of getting divorced because of

01:12:29.600 self-id and there basically isn't anything to distinguish them from secularists or agnostics

01:12:35.200 and that's why those numbers are so high when broken down by group it gets even more low the

01:12:40.800 more religious you are and if you add a prenup to it the risk becomes almost non-existent for most

01:12:45.840 people suddenly the spread of divorce seems actually quite low depending on the group you're

01:12:50.320 a part of while i would suppose you wouldn't want to be part of the 17 or 18 percent in these groups

01:12:56.960 telling men that they have an 80 or 90 chance that their marriage will work out shifts the

01:13:01.360 picture entirely the breakdown is suddenly far less daunting and the risk is now much more

01:13:06.800 manageable as far as these categories go this nuance is often missed in this conversation but

01:13:13.040 it should be highlighted marriage isn't very risky for people in these groups it's risky for people

01:13:18.160 who are in the secular groups because those groups map on to the national average almost

01:13:24.160 identically about yeah and so commentators like using studies because it gives them more power

01:13:29.840 so like if he says oh my study which a lot of times i've turned to remember i made a video

01:13:36.080 on why the stats he's gonna quote are wrong um i have to go back but they always just find a way

01:13:44.240 they like do the smallest population like for example they'll say oh people that go to church

01:13:49.840 every like couples that go to church every day well if she decides she doesn't want to go to

01:13:53.760 church every day now you're not included in that statistic you can't force someone to do things

01:13:59.040 right but commentators they like using studies and it maybe it's a necessary evil but it's because it

01:14:05.280 gives them more power like i know i i have cousins that are from the super religious communities

01:14:14.640 and uh one of them ended up in a throuple one literally ended up in a throuple

01:14:20.080 from a latin mass catholic community

01:14:24.160 so it's like okay you want me to believe your study now i'm not supposed to believe my eyes

01:14:37.040 like i grew up i actually it actually i find it more insulting when it's catholicism because i'm

01:14:42.500 i'll think you think i don't know catholic women really i went to catholic school and they're like

01:14:48.640 oh it's not real catholic unless it's latin mass and i'm like wide cousins that went to latin mass

01:14:53.520 and you're gonna tell me that you know more fuck you like not obviously all respect to

01:15:05.040 andrew as i said at the beginning i just disagree right i i i don't think like i'm not gonna let

01:15:12.260 commentator tell me that they know better catholic people they don't you know 39 to 41

01:15:22.820 give you an example of this again can you remind me what it was i don't remember why

01:15:28.020 why are these stats misleading i know we went through the catholic stats

01:15:32.420 i don't remember why it was so long ago five to ten percent of people who ever drank alcohol will

01:15:37.540 become alcoholics that could be argued to be very very very high risk i suppose but most men look

01:15:44.100 at the risk factor and consider the trade-off acceptable and reasonably low for what they get

01:15:48.820 out of the behavior of socially drinking so as to the question is marriage worth it in the west

01:15:54.340 specifically here in the united states which what we're talking about for many men yes and for many

01:15:59.620 men no specifically secular men it seems to be a big fat no their risk is on par with the national

01:16:06.100 average like i said and this leads to cohabitation likelihoods which become much higher which leads

01:16:11.540 to high risk for abuse for their children along with other negative outcomes for their family

01:16:16.020 dynamics and those are the actual facts of the matter right but abuse comes from stepfathers

01:16:20.420 i'm pro-surrogacy you are saving your daughters from a stepfather right you you you don't do

01:16:30.740 surrogacy because you want love boohoo that's not in the cards 2026 go buy your baby fellas

01:16:37.780 now perhaps my opponent and i can unless you're gay unless you're gay you don't you guys we're good

01:16:44.020 you guys just end your genetic lineage now agree these are facts but he still feels the trade-offs

01:16:49.060 aren't worth it we can dive into that but i always view everything as a trade-off everything

01:16:54.180 politically is a trade-off it's always risk versus reward somebody's always going to get the shaft

01:16:59.460 so with that that's my opening statement and i would like to dive into these issues when my

01:17:04.580 opponent's ready after his all right rich you can have uh six minutes or so take as much or as little

01:17:10.820 as you'd like yeah i won't need it um no marriage is not worthwhile for a western

01:17:16.420 man living in the west thank you for attending my ted talk let's get started boys okay

01:17:25.860 okay so when when you say that marriage isn't worth it for men in the west are you how are you

01:17:34.240 how are you uh viewing that are you viewing that through risk assessment okay um girl pearl girls

01:17:41.040 girls are going to see worthering heights and loving it it's a film about a man marrying a

01:17:46.600 woman giving her everything and cheating on him girls wish the adulterous relationships had a

01:17:52.180 happy ending that's true that's true women always want to be with the side dude you're just doing

01:17:58.480 like a basic risk assessment for men in general yeah broadly speaking i would say it's a risk

01:18:03.440 assessment when you take a look at the landscape and that's the thing a lot of times they're trying

01:18:07.600 to sell you their religion so they want you to convert and that's like a full form of um like

01:18:15.720 controlling in a way they want you to be a part of their congregation so because they believe

01:18:22.920 either for money or because they believe you're going to hell if you don't

01:18:26.840 um so they're not i don't know it's not really always the most honest i know that you because

01:18:32.840 people have their egos invested right it's very hard like when you believe in something to say

01:18:37.960 okay well yeah my religion isn't going to save me from this you know separate

01:18:42.120 divorce law from good marriage. But the reality of the world is that divorce is a reality for

01:18:49.720 a good chunk of the guys that get married, about half of them. I know you're quoting

01:18:54.040 divorce rates under 50%, but it seems widely accepted that when you blend in second and

01:19:00.580 third marriages, it's well over 50%. But we'll just agree to disagree on that point.

01:19:05.460 And it's not really fair because they try to take out the second and third marriages.

01:19:12.120 and they say, oh, just don't marry someone who's been divorced. But it's like,

01:19:17.540 well, if you're on the dating market, that's part of your dating pool. Like, okay,

01:19:21.980 if I were single, divorced men would be part of my dating pool. I'm 29. But even if I was 25 or 24,

01:19:34.560 why would you not want to consider a guy that's divorced in 34 or 44 right that's part of your

01:19:43.900 dating pool and as a guy you know he might consider the 22 year old but you know she's

01:19:49.680 out partying with her friends she doesn't want to be a mom there's a lot of decent women that

01:19:54.480 get divorced you know they just their high school boyfriend just didn't do it for them they were

01:19:59.760 with them for a decade and then they're back on the dating market around my age you know

01:20:03.300 that's part of the dating market that's part of the dating pool so to just say oh don't count

01:20:12.060 them it's like well but single parents are part of the date like look at my age like that would

01:20:20.500 probably be half at least of the men you like i would go out with divorced dads should date

01:20:28.540 divorced moms i don't think so like why would as a woman with no kids a dad with one kid like a lot

01:20:36.620 of times they want more you know and a lot of times they're way easier to get to date you like

01:20:42.660 they're a lot of times they're man they're relationship guys it's why the remarriage rate

01:20:46.840 is so high you know so we can get a point of clarification sure go ahead that first marriage

01:20:55.800 is about 41 percent second like guys that haven't done it yet it's because they're commitment folks

01:21:01.320 right guys that have done it they're they're like they don't feel you know if it's not like about

01:21:09.240 half of them are going to get a decent divorce you know so third marriages actually go get higher

01:21:14.600 sometimes with 55 to 60 percent inside it then i got 52 here on my grok search but sure we'll just

01:21:20.520 split the difference okay but it's high it's unnaturally high yeah the question becomes though

01:21:27.400 why is it that this is always a set assessed as a monolith we don't assess anything else like that

01:21:33.000 like how i was just speaking about workplace fatalities you wouldn't tell men not to work

01:21:38.120 with their hands because it's risky but you might advise men not to get into really high

01:21:43.960 risk fields where working with their hands is going to account for those negative outcomes

01:21:47.800 how come all this is always grouped as a monolith instead of being grouped into individualistic

01:21:53.580 groups and assessed on high risk low risk which is what you would do with basically everything

01:21:58.440 else on planet earth yeah sure i'm happy to ask well because that's slavery right

01:22:03.580 i think slavery is for a lot of men that's worse than death they would rather be dead than be

01:22:10.700 enslaved to and and it's not even like i almost think that a plantation owner would be better

01:22:16.880 because it would be like a man would be in charge enslaved to a woman you used to bang

01:22:23.680 while you're a bit you're probably banging a woman younger and hotter than her

01:22:28.320 having her in control that sounds like death i mean that death sounds better than that

01:22:34.960 you know so that um well when you're talking about marriage you're not talking about

01:22:39.280 jobs and careers because jobs and careers vary i mean i'll give you an example when i was in high

01:22:42.800 school i did a co-op course for auto mechanics and i've always been very interested in cars i'm

01:22:49.760 sure you're aware of that so it's a hobby of mine it's more of a pastime it's uh enjoyable and i

01:22:56.040 realized working on cars at the time because they use a lot of asbestos on the drum brakes and i was

01:23:01.780 always assigned as the guy that was going to do the repairs on drum brakes for some reason shocking

01:23:07.540 you know they give the uh the kid the new guy that job i didn't i didn't know a whole lot about uh

01:23:12.280 you know, the toxicity and, uh, you know, the damage that you do to your body and your lungs

01:23:16.140 over time until it hit me like a frying pan to the forehead. And I decided, yeah, I'm not going

01:23:20.580 to do this job. This isn't something I want to make a career out of. Let's find something that's

01:23:24.900 a little safer. So I moved from working with my hands and fixing cars to office work, I guess.

01:23:31.340 Um, you don't really have that choice with marriage. It's like, if you live in a way that

01:23:35.400 looks like marriage, the state, regardless of whatever it is you want to call it or how you

01:23:39.780 want to blanket it the way the government works is they examine your relationship and even if it

01:23:45.980 wasn't a marriage or even look like marriage there's been a number of circumstances and cases

01:23:50.560 which I'm happy to talk about where they called it a marriage even though the two people together

01:23:55.400 did not call it a marriage and the people around them did not call it a marriage or their kids did

01:23:59.400 not call it a marriage so I think that wouldn't that lead to my point though so if it's the case

01:24:05.140 that you, if it's the case that you're not advocating for marriage and low risk groups,

01:24:09.800 that is necessarily going to lead to a larger amount of cohabitation. You're not protected

01:24:15.380 from the state when you cohabitate and the outcomes are generally worse anyway. But it

01:24:19.900 doesn't really, none of this actually answers to the question of if it's the case that certain

01:24:24.820 groups and certain belief structures and certain ways you live your life. No one should date

01:24:30.100 anybody divorced. Oh, I disagree. I think divorced men make better husbands. First time married men

01:24:36.540 are going to simp. Sometimes divorced men have learned their lesson. Maybe not a divorced woman,

01:24:42.440 but a divorced man. Even for the men that see good church going women, the fact is courts are

01:24:47.580 stacked against men and there's no incentive. There's too much incentive for the wife to leave.

01:24:52.460 yeah i mean

01:24:55.200 if anything they get a worse deal because they get the most run through women

01:25:02.600 lead to a much much more diminished chance of divorce then why would you advise people like

01:25:10.060 for instance let me give you the easy example the amish what would your objection be to amish

01:25:14.780 people getting married they basically never get divorced yeah and that and that works out well

01:25:20.760 for them right now yeah um but there's a lot of cultural values that um you know support yeah and

01:25:28.920 how long can you keep these women away from social media

01:25:33.320 um i hold on i'm fairly sure tick tock amish

01:25:39.800 i'm pretty sure i saw some women shaking ass on tick tock i could be wrong

01:25:45.560 it could be wrong it could be wrong

01:25:49.980 okay let me share this page

01:26:12.120 there's no sound

01:26:13.420 you know i saw this other video of like amish girls doing like a

01:26:23.600 amish trend which who knows if it was real but i promise to god

01:26:29.740 now are these really amish girls i don't know

01:26:43.980 as they're mocking them i wouldn't be shocked if this is in the future

01:26:49.020 though you see i gotta turn off the sound but you see they're like

01:26:57.900 yeah anyways and plus i've seen there's amish women that run away from the amish i mean

01:27:08.380 yeah okay let me keep going there's a lot of environmental factors that support

01:27:13.420 strong unions into perpetuity with the Amish, right?

01:27:17.640 That doesn't exist in the rest of the world.

01:27:20.960 It does.

01:27:21.620 It does.

01:27:22.620 The idea in religious marriage

01:27:25.720 and the reason the divorce rates are so much lower,

01:27:29.320 when you dive into the literature behind this,

01:27:32.080 because it's actually a very studied phenomenon

01:27:34.140 because of a support network.

01:27:36.320 To the Amish, you're saying?

01:27:37.520 No, no, no.

01:27:37.980 Well, actually to all of these various religious groups

01:27:40.480 that I cited.

01:27:41.040 this would include mormons catholics orthodox various reasons cited for their divorces and

01:27:47.000 why the divorce rates are so much lower than the national average and it seems to really come down

01:27:51.180 to this and this is a concession i can generally get out of the people i debate in your sphere

01:27:56.480 because i think it's it's just kind of obvious and true that if women don't have a reinforcement

01:28:02.080 mechanism for behaviors then uh well and this is true argument and that's what you tend to do you

01:28:08.700 of odd arguments rather than no this is a descriptive is argument yeah and and that's

01:28:14.900 why it's like andrew do you really know much about the like have you even

01:28:18.980 like i would need to go to an amish community and talk to them to do definitive you know because

01:28:28.500 you really got to go there to see um the amish have a little heart party hard for a space before

01:28:34.340 they choose to be Amish as adults. It's called Brumspringa. Yeah, there's going to be a lot of

01:28:40.400 women that go to Brumspringa and don't come back. Is the case right now, factually, that these rates

01:28:47.640 of divorce and the highly religious are much, much lower than the national average? So significantly,

01:28:55.060 in fact, that your chances of getting a divorce seem to be mitigated in the acceptable risk factor,

01:29:01.420 at least in comparison to the historic standard that's descriptively true so that's not a

01:29:09.320 prescription like are we talking about christianity here um no we would talk well no we're what we're

01:29:16.040 doing is we're isolating groups so let's take let's take all of marriage and then we're going

01:29:20.660 to break it into the categories of the people who are getting married so no so people who are

01:29:26.340 getting married are going to fall under different categorizations it could be secularists it could

01:29:30.940 be swingers they could be uh you know polygamy it's just like look why i left the amish

01:29:36.960 hello everyone i want to introduce my started asking the questions that i had

01:29:44.980 and i didn't get a clear answer from anyone yeah so she leaves

01:29:50.680 um if the amish husband cheats and doesn't apologize he won't get uh accepted back into

01:30:00.000 the church so he will still just stay shunned although he will stay married to his wife and

01:30:05.800 if the wife doesn't want to take him back and she's a church member she would get shunned

01:30:10.880 then for not wanting to take him back and her only option other than taking him back

01:30:16.300 would probably be leaving the amish yeah see look it's what if your wife came out chances

01:30:24.080 might maybe so if you if you don't go back do they just like kick you out of the community

01:30:29.920 yeah they would but you could never go back if i prove myself yeah i could how do you prove

01:30:37.360 yourself to come back like uh come back and obey i guess like what if your wife came out yeah you

01:30:47.820 see it just yeah it's not a guarantee they could be atheists they could be devout catholics it

01:30:56.700 could be devout orthodox the thing is the reason it's more useful to break it up that way is

01:31:01.820 because then we can peer in and see if each of these groups has the same exact risk as each

01:31:06.900 other group when it comes to marriage and we find out that's not the case at all and that these

01:31:12.100 risks are mitigated descriptively right now if you're part of a religious organization that is

01:31:18.300 much more devout and the more religious you are seemingly the more happiness you report and the

01:31:23.540 lower your divorce look one of the worst divorces i ever saw was a latin mass divorce

01:31:28.860 god will not save you from these hoes

01:31:32.540 first rates become so your answer is just be more religious no my what i'm asking is what is the

01:31:42.300 thing that's causing that what is the thing that's causing these groups to have such a more mitigated

01:31:49.160 amount of divorce in comparison the national average from secularists what is it that it's

01:31:54.520 written to encourage women to leave men and divorce rape them wait what was that i'm sorry

01:31:59.880 do you want to start with family law and how it's written to encourage women to divorce rape men

01:32:04.440 i'm i'm i'm not disputing that okay well it's a problem it just doesn't have any because

01:32:10.040 you're not contending with my point what are the things inside of these religious institutions

01:32:15.160 is that still a valid threat yeah but what are the things inside of these religious institutions

01:32:21.620 yeah because it's going to go back to that if you're super religious and you pray super hard

01:32:26.700 god will save you and then that's a woman that if she's super religious and you guys go to church

01:32:32.060 and do it that way you won't you're less you're significantly less likely to get divorced um and

01:32:38.180 they kind of manipulate these statistics because a lot of times they pull older people

01:32:42.560 they include people that have not divorced yet and so like they'll include someone that's 30

01:32:51.280 or 35 and got married the other thing they're not taking into account is a lot of times it's

01:32:54.800 older people so you're really not going to know what the impacts are of people that get married

01:33:00.760 today like if anything um i would guess the divorce rate's going to be higher for people

01:33:08.280 that get married today because the people that got married 50 years ago and were a part of these

01:33:12.340 religious communities i mean they didn't have social media so you know they they manipulate

01:33:18.080 these stats terribly um a lot of times the commentators don't realize how badly the stats

01:33:22.840 are manipulated or maybe the like they want to believe it because that's their argument um but

01:33:29.380 yeah the they they completely misrepresent these statistics and there's a lot of fact like

01:33:38.440 one thing is the woman it says okay the couples that go to church like three times a day or

01:33:44.140 something is one of the studies they quote well okay but a woman that doesn't obey her husband

01:33:50.040 and he says I'm going to church and she says well I'm not going to church what's he gonna do put a

01:33:54.120 gun to her head nag her she's not gonna do it so now they're not they might have started in the

01:33:58.800 religious marriage but it doesn't account for people that started going to church and then

01:34:02.380 stop like it actually when I hear these statistics it actually makes me so mad and I really don't

01:34:08.520 know if it's cognizant or not like I don't really know if the people know but it just it's like I

01:34:15.480 don't understand why they manipulate them so badly like I'll go on these shows and they'll quote these

01:34:21.940 statistics and I'm like why are you guys like quoting it like that okay

01:34:32.040 that is causing this mitigation where the risk is so much lower than the national average from

01:34:46.380 people who are not inside these religious institutions not asking whether or not people

01:34:50.620 should be more religious I'm asking us for to make an assessment on what are the factors here

01:34:55.980 that are contributing to them having such a look?

01:34:59.800 I think surrogacy is the best way of moving forward.

01:35:04.240 I mean, that sounds amazing.

01:35:08.240 Rate in comparison to the national average.

01:35:10.380 That's the question.

01:35:11.520 Okay, so what's the difference in rates

01:35:12.780 between Christians and non-Christians?

01:35:15.540 Depends on the denomination.

01:35:17.960 But I just went through them broadly.

01:35:19.640 I can go through, I mean, I can go through them again

01:35:22.140 if you'd like here.

01:35:22.920 I'll pull them back up one second.

01:35:24.100 and then what they'll always do is it's like the bar will just get it like they want to be right

01:35:29.500 you know and this is hard because like i also grew up with these beliefs but like you believe

01:35:34.940 in your religion and you think well the people that do the moral thing they have to get a good

01:35:38.680 outcome it's just not true it is just not too true it's not true at all and they're gonna reframe it

01:35:46.400 and then they'll just do a higher and higher bar like okay if your wife is fat and she doesn't

01:35:51.840 cheat is that really does it mean anything oh no i got a four to stay loyal it's like yeah well

01:35:58.600 that's a four nobody wants her anyway you know yeah yeah just average amount so if you're when

01:36:05.700 we're going through uh each denomination we can start with we'll kind of start with the lowest

01:36:11.780 risk the lowest risk is going to be the amish right second's going to be mennonites you're

01:36:17.420 going to have mormons and catholics at almost the same rate orthodox at a lesser rate than that about

01:36:21.640 well and hindu is up there but they never it's like either hint it's some sort of like eastern

01:36:26.600 religion is up there too um yeah okay meg yeah yeah i made a video about this a while ago it's

01:36:38.040 just i have a bad memory sometimes so i can't quote it like but doug mpa is typing me some

01:36:45.000 like the video so i'm gonna read it why these stats are misleading percent and the list the

01:36:52.920 list from there goes on and on the more traditional the um the value set is with what are called

01:36:59.880 protestant high churches meaning the more they go to church and things like this they end up in a

01:37:05.560 risk mitigation that's almost 20 lower than the national average as well the only christians who

01:37:10.600 fall into the same average as non-Christians are going to be what are called nominal Christians.

01:37:16.380 So these are people who self-ID as being a Christian or cultural Christianity, but they

01:37:20.940 don't actually involve themselves in the church or in that lifestyle at all. They just call

01:37:25.360 themselves that. That's called nominal Christianity. Well, I appreciate the lesson there, but you still

01:37:31.060 didn't answer the question. What's the difference in the divorce rates between Christians and

01:37:34.560 non-christians let's just use atheists as an example it's it's as high as 25 the distinction

01:37:40.960 between that and the national average the reason atheists 25 what's that so it's nine percent versus

01:37:47.340 25 is what you're saying uh well again it depends on the denomination okay the question the question

01:37:54.580 is lacking specificity okay but using the christians versus the atheists you're saying

01:38:01.060 it's nine percent versus 25 percent no no no atheists are about 11 roughly depending on which

01:38:07.020 source you're looking at but there's a but the reason why atheists have a lower than a lower

01:38:13.240 than the national average is because uh they get married much older usually or they just don't

01:38:18.620 participate at all uh but those are also self-id'd uh atheists when you're talking about secularists

01:38:25.340 themselves there's many many more of them than there are atheists and those seem to account for

01:38:29.800 the overwhelming majority of what constitutes the national average for these things. So I'm looking

01:38:35.260 for what are the things which is causing such a mitigation between the 40%, which is the national

01:38:42.560 average, and the individualistic groups, which have much lower averages, as low as 17, 18%.

01:38:49.600 All right. I'm reading some of this. I can't remember. I don't think it's called the fake

01:38:57.760 Tradcon grift video because I put that in the title and it didn't come up. I don't know. You

01:39:02.800 can maybe put the link in the chat. From the U.S. Census Bureau, the divorce has gone from 55% to

01:39:09.780 45%. Marriage rates have decreased because the marriage rates have been cut in half. Pro-marriage

01:39:15.120 advocates and tradcons manipulate these stats by targeting certain demographics with certain

01:39:20.760 survey techniques and certain accounting to get to 25% to 35%. The most reliable estimates across

01:39:26.640 the board it's 40 to 45 percent with the average length of a marriage being seven to eight years

01:39:31.100 megan cooper came up with a set of statistics that the trad cons use she calculated the following

01:39:36.220 stats divorce rate is 19 percent um for catholics protestant 51 mormon nine percent jehovah's

01:39:42.180 witness nine percent orthodox orthodox christian nine percent born again christians 33 percent

01:39:47.940 muslims eight percent 51 percent protestant rate is what's most commonly commonly parroted and it's

01:39:53.940 miscopy miscalculation this one was done deliberately to try to trick men into becoming

01:39:59.380 a trad concept of a better chance at marriage these numbers are not a lifetime divorce rate

01:40:03.780 it is a number of people divorcing at any given time not the lifetime um count of divorces the

01:40:09.460 divorce rate for atheists is two percent people with no religion have a divorce rate of 48

01:40:14.980 protestants have a rate of 46 catholics at 35. gotta keep going something going on these

01:40:23.140 religious groups that's causing them to divorce much less than non-religious groups well in most

01:40:28.900 religions it tends to enforce the marriage and the and the consistency of it yeah yeah so then

01:40:35.220 the the idea is so we've seen that it's a little bit more successful yeah yeah so we can remove

01:40:40.420 the risk factors and it doesn't it doesn't also address the issues of modern women not being

01:40:46.100 marriageable material well hang on those are two different arguments whether or not you think that

01:40:51.940 modern women are marriageable we're talking right now just about the risk of divorce

01:40:56.740 what do you consider to be an acceptable divorce rate and just because you're married that doesn't

01:41:01.780 mean it's a success like okay is is it a successful marriage if the guy has had to

01:41:08.340 live his life on the woman's like terms for the last 10 years you know hold on you know

01:41:15.860 know is that really successful well given family law zero would be acceptable so zero well if that's

01:41:26.500 the case then there could never be an institution of marriage because there's always going to have

01:41:31.420 to be at least some divorce right based on some circumstance that's reasonable within reason yeah

01:41:36.860 sure but given family law and how hostile it is to our fathers and the likely outcomes that exist

01:41:43.680 with them would you like me to go over the outcomes uh they're they they can be real bad

01:41:49.360 yeah they suck yeah but that's not what's in dispute here okay well what are we in dispute

01:41:54.480 of right now well what we're in dispute of is that how many of these men who are in these

01:41:59.840 particular groups are ever going to have to deal with those outcomes if their divorce rates are

01:42:03.120 really low because they're in those groups it could be the case so those men don't matter

01:42:08.160 that like that that happens to like they don't matter we're just gonna like say oh who cares

01:42:15.280 well what if you're one of those guys you know it's not really low it still exists

01:42:22.140 but that's really low examples of sorry you just try to get it to zero percent just like there's

01:42:28.460 no divorce that's not utopian well we don't care about zero percent but it's more like

01:42:35.020 in a lot of these situations the men are enslaved do you know what i mean so it's like

01:42:40.960 men don't fear divorce they they fear you know paying money for why their wife to bang another

01:42:47.740 guy who's raising their kids that's really what they fear you know it sounds very utopian to me

01:42:54.380 what's wrong with that it's impossible like pragmatically impossible that you're going to

01:42:59.720 completely eliminate divorce for any number of different reasons one could just be easy like

01:43:04.020 somebody is diddling kids in the marriage you're going to want you know they want a divorce that

01:43:07.460 seems rational to me why would anybody invite the government into their life to make decisions about

01:43:13.440 their their wealth their access to their children how the knot is untied the power shift that goes

01:43:18.660 from him to her during the untithing of not why would anybody want to take on that risk given

01:43:23.880 the outcomes and how bad they are because the outcomes are only bad if you get divorced they're

01:43:28.860 not bad if you don't get divorced that's not true that's not true if you're in a sexless marriage

01:43:33.520 if you have a fat wife like there's a lot of outcomes that are bad

01:43:38.200 um it like just because and by the way just because you're like if your wife

01:43:45.100 your wife could be in shape but if she doesn't respect you she's cheating

01:43:48.520 so yeah no there's a lot of yeah that's just not true and so if your chance of mitigating the

01:43:57.600 divorce is really high and your chances of not being divorced are over 80 percent if you're part

01:44:02.500 one of these groups then that seems like an acceptable risk mitigation right well it's only

01:44:06.340 marginally lower no it's not marginally lower it's much higher i mean much much lower significantly

01:44:12.020 lower right now but you don't know what like that's why i don't like statistics it's much

01:44:17.460 better to just look at what's in front of you because a lot of times the stats won't catch up

01:44:21.620 for like 20 years um i don't know did the there's a guy in new york who married a supermodel

01:44:28.660 and it turns out she was doing prostitution on the side is that in the statistics

01:44:33.920 she can answer that in a survey you know yeah my wife's banging me but she's also having sex for

01:44:40.040 money you know and um a lot of trad con see this as like removed but it's becoming more and more

01:44:48.920 common you know 11 compared to the 40 national average is what go ahead sorry you're giving me

01:44:55.200 numbers for 11 11 for atheists yeah well no also orthodox orthodox is very low too okay so it's

01:45:03.960 marginally different but but the risk is still there and the risk is that bad that it doesn't

01:45:08.340 warrant entering the gate like you know your your whole your whole argument always seems to go back

01:45:13.640 to like it ought to be this way in a perfect world but the problem with christianity and the churches

01:45:18.960 in general is they're compromised right like talk some of them they are compromised like and you're

01:45:27.680 not going to convince me otherwise i mean you could say they're not but like i had an orthodox

01:45:33.200 priest like come into my spaces and one of my spaces and argue why it's okay for women to not

01:45:41.760 sleep with their husbands and that the men need to buy them stuff okay doug mpa has the other stats

01:45:48.160 from the video. The Institute for Family Studies tries to claim that attending church reduces your

01:45:52.520 chance of divorce by 50%. That's a lie. Catholics that attend church multiple times a week had a

01:45:57.300 roughly 30% chance of getting divorced. Protestants that attend church, it was slightly higher at 35%.

01:46:02.760 Only 12% of Protestants and Catholics attend church more than once a week. Depression was

01:46:07.500 counted as less likely in married men, but the stat is disproven by the amount of men that get

01:46:13.460 depressed from getting divorced okay most western religions today they're painting rainbows on

01:46:19.420 churches or allowing trans kids to attend even in christian churches there's been plenty of

01:46:24.260 examples of that yeah but i mean secularism yeah secularism is no protection from that that's the

01:46:30.620 first argument it's not like you being not a christian is going to protect you from having

01:46:35.060 your hang on hang on anything i'm going to be better but it's no it's not just slightly better

01:46:39.340 it's overwhelmingly better descriptively now it's true so let's untangle a couple things

01:46:44.160 the first thing is if we're talking about an is versus an ought i'm not even to what we ought to

01:46:51.040 do i'm talking about what is descriptively true right this second not what is future and utopian

01:46:57.000 right uh coach greg adams made this mistake too because he's a moron but i don't think you you

01:47:03.000 seem like a smart guy i'm talking about what's true now not what's true in 300 yeah but it

01:47:09.320 could be true today but a marriage is supposed to be 50 years that's a long time you know for years

01:47:17.180 what is true right now is that everybody that gets married as a man faces the wrath of family

01:47:23.600 court and toxic feminism no they don't yes they do no they don't they don't face it yes because

01:47:29.080 she has the power so not every woman will use it right but every woman can you know so in fact in

01:47:38.340 many of these groups almost none of them face it my friend i have a gentleman that i spoke to a

01:47:43.120 couple weeks ago that was in a christian orthodox marriage eight kids the wife and the pastor

01:47:48.520 turned against him threw him out of the court he got divorced that happens all the time because

01:47:53.280 again men's biggest addiction is female validation and they will men will throw each other under the

01:47:59.260 bus for like a crumb of female validation it is incredible drape alienated from his kids

01:48:06.020 would you like me to keep telling you more stories do you think again rich do you think

01:48:11.040 but they always wave them away like they don't matter like oh it doesn't matter here's my study

01:48:15.280 it's because they like having power they want they want to say take me seriously i have a study like

01:48:20.800 you know it's it's fine for debates and i i understand the utility of them but you are just

01:48:27.340 always going to get more information by talking to people who work in the field always a hundred

01:48:32.680 percent of the time. Always, always, always. And it's better if you get people that don't

01:48:40.840 have an incentive to lie. Like people look to studies as gospels, but there's so many

01:48:45.580 variables that are not measured by stats because they're too subjective. Like does the wife

01:48:49.700 constantly nag? Does she respect her husband? Does she sleep with him, et cetera? Yeah.

01:48:53.840 Is that in the studies? No? Okay. People in that group are going to experience those bad things.

01:48:59.140 thing is that there is no consistency with the churches these days. It's not a buffer. It doesn't

01:49:06.080 offer a significant enough of a improvement in the outcome that I would say that it justifies

01:49:13.720 taking the risk of living in a way that looks like marriage to the government. How does, okay,

01:49:18.620 well, let's try this then. If that's the argument, if the argument is any risk is too much risk,

01:49:24.020 then what is the way in proper way in which we raise children in the 21st century can you walk

01:49:31.700 me through how it got i'm pro surrogate i i think let's let's surrogate this bitch

01:49:40.780 i who is i don't know 23 wants to have kids sure okay how's he supposed to do that without a having

01:49:49.520 a bunch of wealth that he's not going to have at 23 that's not going to happen right how did

01:49:53.920 How does he actually have children and raise them absent?

01:49:57.460 That's a great question.

01:49:58.580 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

01:49:59.700 Let me finish the question.

01:50:02.080 Absent risk mitigation.

01:50:03.760 So what I would say is there's no way to have good outcomes for children

01:50:09.580 absent being in a married home in a general sense.

01:50:13.300 There are some times where it can work out.

01:50:15.220 Most times it doesn't.

01:50:16.340 The outcomes for the children are bad.

01:50:18.360 Cohabitation outcomes are almost always universally bad.

01:50:20.780 But you can't, like, you can't really know what the future is going to predict.

01:50:23.880 Like, I bet all those guys told, I bet all of those people told that guy in China he was crazy for having a surrogate daughter.

01:50:36.000 But now, who's laughing now?

01:50:38.260 His kid's in the Olympics, bitches.

01:50:39.840 but risk mitigation we're talking about through traditional marriages in the church

01:50:49.240 seem to buffer against this in a significant way so i'm 23 i want to have kids how do i do that

01:50:55.320 absent a wife exactly and get good outcomes can you tell me that no um i don't have a solution

01:51:01.660 to that for a 23 year old but what i can tell you is there's lots of opportunities as a man

01:51:08.960 well you have choices and trade-offs um you know navigates life becomes more seasoned

01:51:18.360 creates some value and renown for himself to structure himself in such a way where he can

01:51:26.160 have children still parent them and not invite you need to have the money for a divorce and

01:51:31.420 you should bang bitches on your way to the top that's my that's my advice the government into

01:51:37.680 his life and yeah but that's not going to be available for the majority of men right marriage

01:51:42.080 yeah i mean marriage is for the upper class sorry fellas i don't make the rules because one women

01:51:48.640 aren't going to marry men unless they're upper class like you know women will bang broke men

01:51:53.200 but in terms of marrying them just not as common um and i really wouldn't get married unless you

01:52:02.400 have the money for a divorce that's up to you though again that's up to every man if a guy

01:52:07.280 wants to get married and take the risk i will never tell him not to that is your choice or 23 no

01:52:12.680 you're right but that's not going to be available to the majority of men the vast majority of men

01:52:16.700 that's going to be unavailable to yeah and that's the shitty thing about the environment that men

01:52:20.340 live in yeah and that's that because um the vast majority of men one women aren't going to select

01:52:25.800 them because we're crazy and two i mean the average men are the ones that are at the biggest

01:52:34.160 risk from literally being enslaved where they take the majority of their income you know so

01:52:39.200 is that they're forced to deal with the reality of hey i'm religious i'm 20 something odd years

01:52:46.180 old i want to get a gal and have a family and have a bunch of kids running around have a good

01:52:51.000 time with them i get it children are wonderful but the chances of them being successful in the

01:52:57.440 outcome that you'd like to predict for them is very very low no it's very high that's my whole

01:53:03.120 will no it's it's not and again he's gonna try to sell it as you know it's something special or

01:53:09.360 different and maybe in his heart of hearts like i like it he's a good guy you know but i i just

01:53:14.880 don't know how you can say that with what we're seeing i mean i i like i don't even understand

01:53:20.960 because i've talked to rachel about this most couples we know the women are nagging bitching

01:53:26.560 wives and like they don't even like their husbands you know andrew and rachel they really do love

01:53:32.160 each other so they're an exception but it's not the norm you know so i just i always wonder i don't

01:53:38.960 know i i think one one of these days we'll we'll riff about it again no hear me out men are not

01:53:45.120 equipped very well to deal with modern women today and the the other issue too is they don't

01:53:51.200 they can't get laid enough um to overcome women you know of women that are available to men

01:53:59.840 the inventory that exists in a pool are so such low quality it just doesn't make sense to live

01:54:07.200 in a way that looks like marriage to the government you can love a woman you can have a

01:54:10.960 relationship with a woman i just don't recommend that men live in a way that looks like marriage

01:54:15.280 to the government because that's where the potential outcomes can get really problematic

01:54:19.680 you can still have children with women and raise children how you don't want to live in a way that

01:54:24.480 looks yeah how are they supposed to do that dude well there's well there's a few ways i'm glad you

01:54:28.880 to ask that question because there's a few ways to mitigate the risk or at least reduce it

01:54:32.680 somewhat. Canada would be off the table completely because there's no opportunity here to do that.

01:54:39.660 But you could move to a state like Kentucky, for example, or Florida. I can't remember what the

01:54:45.760 other two are, but there's a website called the National Parenting Organs and they produce a

01:54:49.840 report card every year telling you which states are not hostile towards father. Notice I don't say

01:54:56.880 friendly towards fathers but not hostile towards father where the outcome is a default 50 50

01:55:01.840 arrangement what about the outcomes for the kids that's what i'm i'm concerned with yeah so the

01:55:05.960 outcomes for the kids are obviously better when the parents stay together and you reduce the you

01:55:12.400 don't know like there's no way to predict into the future how these like new arrangements are

01:55:18.960 going to work like if the parents live separately with the dad like because most divorced um

01:55:23.900 situations, the dad's like not, you know, the parents aren't getting along, but

01:55:31.520 there's going to be men that say, hey, we can be together, but you are not,

01:55:38.380 you, we are not living together. And there's no way to predict how those kids will turn out.

01:55:45.600 Everyone likes to sit on their high horse and say, oh, marriage is better. It's like, I don't think so.

01:55:50.980 i don't think so risk for the mom to leave dad and kentucky successfully did that they lowered

01:55:59.020 the divorce rate by 20 by assuming default 50 50 custody on divorce she would have to prove that

01:56:05.180 he's some kind of a degenerate piece of shit uh drug dealer gangster or something like this where

01:56:10.960 it would warrant her getting custody but if you live in that state now they're seeing the divorce

01:56:15.480 rate drop by 20 percent well then you've created but then you've created a contradiction you've

01:56:22.120 created a contradiction here rich because earlier when i asked you i said rich why is it that if

01:56:28.600 you're in a low risk if you're in a low risk category as a group for getting divorced shouldn't

01:56:33.560 you do it you said well any risk is too high but now you advise but the red pill doesn't prescribe

01:56:39.480 um they would not advise you to live in any way that looks like marriage to the government

01:56:44.360 um but like again he keeps saying what's best for the kids what's best for the man you know

01:56:51.860 what is best for the man that's they always leave out that men go to a state where they still

01:56:59.220 hang on hang on let me finish let me i just heard you out the contradiction here is obvious

01:57:06.260 if i ask you why shouldn't people who are in already mitigated low risk groups for getting

01:57:12.820 divorce shouldn't do it you say because the risk is high if there's even one divorce

01:57:15.860 and i go okay but what should they do then to raise children you say well they should go to

01:57:20.520 someplace where it doesn't assure them not getting divorced well that's only hang on hang on it only

01:57:25.880 helps mitigate the risk and it's like but that's my argument my argument is that these groups are

01:57:31.160 already mitigating risk why is it that you shouldn't be gravitating towards the groups

01:57:35.080 which mitigate risk when that's your advice to men now great so what we're saying that is kentucky

01:57:40.420 mitigates the risk better than christianity no it doesn't that was actually oh my god he cooked

01:57:48.660 best for the kids is the show prompt is no it's marriage good for men

01:57:54.280 and then they'll always kind of go down they'll say well

01:57:58.660 isn't it best for the man if the kids turn out okay and it's like well

01:58:02.680 i mean

01:58:06.420 yeah but that's not even a guarantee in marriage you know the woman can just turn the kids against

01:58:15.080 you for 50 years the dad has no idea and then they hate you and they turn 18 that happens all the

01:58:19.600 time currently no it offers it assists with a de-incentive but if you were a christian in

01:58:24.820 kentucky then your risk would be mitigated by double we're going back to the ought to you know

01:58:32.820 in a perfect world for christian no descriptive is right this second if it's the case that it's

01:58:37.220 lower than the national average over no but it doesn't there's no good way to predict how people

01:58:42.960 married today are going to fare in 50 years like they could have taken stats in 19 like 30 and the

01:58:50.640 stats that are like 40 right you get married 1940 your marriage is expected to be for life

01:58:55.880 so let's say you marry your bitch at 20 in 1940 well 1950s come around the 60s and the 70s now

01:59:02.320 she's 40 and no fault divorce is legalized well how could you have predicted that that um

01:59:10.400 now your wife is empowered to leave you when it was like a zero percent divorce rate when you

01:59:16.700 married her now it's legal like you can't predict what's going to be legal in 20 years

01:59:22.120 overwhelmingly which it is and then you combine that with disincentives for women from the state

01:59:27.400 it sounds like it's a very low-risk endeavor right rich it's it's a high enough risk

01:59:33.020 that it's not worth any man to live in a way that looks like marriage to the government i mean like

01:59:38.180 even you just had to move to a place for a second andrew you know you gotta let me talk sometimes

01:59:43.580 too okay i've been letting you talk in heavy ortho like eastern orthodox countries like russia

01:59:49.460 the narrative is still women get 80 of custody orders right this is so across the world this

01:59:57.380 isn't just in north america this is how we see family courts and religion apply to men and women's

02:00:05.720 lives and the whole point of a marriage sorry the whole point of marriage and children you would say

02:00:12.260 what to pass on your name pass on your dna to name your sons that leave a legacy behind what would

02:00:19.020 you say it is well it depends on the worldview from the christian worldview we feel that there's

02:00:25.180 a commandment to do so to yeah god can't command these hoes apply and to get and for the most part

02:00:32.580 for most men to get married not every man's called to do that but generally speaking most of them

02:00:36.440 seem to be they seem to want to be with a woman they seem to want to have children with her with

02:00:41.140 that woman and they're commanded to do this from a secularist perspective or a non-christian or

02:00:46.260 non-religious person it seems to vary based on things like you mentioned perhaps legacy

02:00:51.840 perhaps they have different incentives for why it is that they want to do that

02:00:55.820 i couldn't i couldn't begin to tell you all of them because secular marriage to me is bizarre

02:01:00.040 it makes no sense i don't know i don't even understand it but i do want to make much sense

02:01:05.480 in general i think marriage does make sense in general not really i think well it fails most of

02:01:11.580 the time it doesn't fail most of the time that's a lot it doesn't it doesn't you look at the data

02:01:17.040 around the people that show me the data that marriage fails most of the time let's start

02:01:21.580 with that what with what sorry the data that marriage fails most of the time yeah so when

02:01:26.520 you look at the data on people that live in a way that looks like marriage so uh there was a study

02:01:32.600 done uh aaron and acevedo covered this um the effects of uh love on long-term relationships

02:01:41.140 and they found that less than 13 percent of people in the study and i can't remember the count i think

02:01:46.520 I wrote it down over here. Hold on a second. Um, six, it was 6,000 something people, 6,070 people

02:01:56.620 over a span of 8.84 years. And again, the title of this study is does long-term relationship kill

02:02:03.400 romantic love? 12% are in love and 3% are in a state of obsession or bliss. I think that's why

02:02:09.200 most guys would want to get married is they think that they're going to be in a state of obsession

02:02:12.760 or bliss with their wife into perpetuity and be granted access to lots of enthusiastic sex whenever

02:02:19.840 they want it. And that's not the reality that most men experience when they get into it. And

02:02:24.340 some of that data supports that, suggesting that most people that are still together over 8.84

02:02:29.420 years don't even like each other. So you're saying that, yeah, the divorce rate is, I don't know,

02:02:35.000 40 something percent or whatever it happens to be. Then you got to look at the people that are

02:02:39.220 staying together that are staying together out of maybe convenience because they're too cowardly to

02:02:43.040 leave they're not good enough looking to leave they might be poor they might have other anchors

02:02:46.980 yeah and not good looking enough sorry i'm ordering ordering something um not being good

02:02:55.940 looking enough is a big example i mean that's like does it really count if your wife stays

02:03:01.300 with you if she's ugly because a decent looking 40 year old i mean she can still go to a 60 year

02:03:08.360 old and trade up or you know maybe trade a little worse but like trade different right but like if

02:03:14.520 she's fat i mean uh and and does he even want her to stay that bad there's a lot of people that stay

02:03:24.300 in long-term relationships that don't even like each other like the chances of you being in love

02:03:28.100 with your spouse is very low to what to yeah so what but again he's saying what's best for the

02:03:37.060 kids what's best for society now it's best for the man what's best for the man is not to have a

02:03:40.840 nagging bitchy wife i think andrew's point is to convert convert people to orthodox marriage is a

02:03:46.920 carrot if he cared about men he would try and change the divorce laws instead of convincing

02:03:50.720 them to be religious yeah i mean it's not like that he can't care like he doesn't have any power

02:03:57.140 and neither do i i mean i i don't want to sell you guys hope but i'm gonna make a cool documentary

02:04:04.420 about it. And at least that'll be a better, at least that'll be better media than we've seen in

02:04:09.140 the past. But I don't like to, I don't want to sell hope because it doesn't mean I can try.

02:04:14.720 I'll do my best. I want to actually start a nonprofit and I want to put Terrence in charge

02:04:18.660 of it. And he's going to go after these judges. But I got to get, we got to get the infrastructure

02:04:26.560 to raise money for this stuff. So right now we're building that. It's probably going to take one to

02:04:31.380 two months so but it'll be a cool but i'm i'm gonna do my best you know i do want enough money

02:04:41.780 to do guitar lessons because i want this intro to my show to be really cool but other than that

02:04:48.360 and i want to buy this studio or the house here because then it would be cool because then they

02:04:56.900 can't um they can't kick me out of here like like because when i went to london i built this whole

02:05:03.440 studio and then i had to leave what an l yeah i mean i could not figure out how to take down

02:05:10.900 these judges but terrence has a plan and it'll be better than my plan so i'm gonna let him

02:05:15.020 um looks aren't the relationship factor yeah for ugly dudes

02:05:21.560 um attractive dudes it definitely plays into the mix they might not pick the hottest girl

02:05:26.680 they can get but there has to be a she has to be good enough for um them to be in public

02:05:34.820 well i want i want terrence yeah i want terrence employed i don't know how we'd set it up right

02:05:41.400 because i'm just not it's very difficult for me to like plan it when we're just not that close

02:05:47.620 like i'm trying to get the documentary first then with the documentary i want to raise money for the

02:05:51.940 non-profit and the non-profit i want to be able to help with the marketing and like doing debates

02:05:57.460 when it comes to men's issues and then i want to put money towards the non-profit right

02:06:01.940 and then the non-profit i would put terrence in charge of it and because who knows more than

02:06:07.620 terrence maybe rich cooper will want to work on it i don't know but i want to have them because

02:06:12.980 these are the guys that they know more than i do they're more intelligent they're just much better

02:06:17.880 in every way right and um so what i would like them i would like them if they if they want to

02:06:26.280 if they want to like i could help raise the money and they could go after these judges right um

02:06:34.200 so that's that's what i would do i forgot what terrence's plan was but it was better than mine

02:06:39.000 that i'm asking you is well the point man wants to have long-term relationships because you're

02:06:44.360 saying it's worth it great but living a way that look like marriage and i'm telling you the data

02:06:48.200 suggests that that's not reflective of what yeah the here's the problem with the argument where

02:06:52.920 where it holds no muster and it doesn't even contend with what i'm asking you

02:06:57.320 what i'm asking you is if you want to have kids you want to have children

02:07:01.640 whether and you want good outcomes for the children what is what other than marriage

02:07:08.600 from a especially from a religious perspective is going to create better outcomes for the children

02:07:13.720 rich that's the question now you keep defaulting to what about me the father what about me the the

02:07:19.960 the this guy hang on i get that well for men so i'm talking about men right but this is the angle

02:07:25.400 this is the prompt yeah but the thing is just like i'm always trying to bring it back to math but you

02:07:29.240 see how men want to have kids sure and so they want their kids to have good outcomes and so how

02:07:33.800 are men going to have their kids have good outcomes not living in a way that looks like

02:07:37.640 marriage to the government yeah okay how you have kids with a woman you don't live together and you

02:07:44.200 parent them together in separate homes what's the that looks the same as divorce that looks the same

02:07:49.960 as a divorce no it's not the same it's it's really not the same because um i mean like

02:07:58.680 my parents have two houses i mean sometimes my dad goes to one my mom goes to another you know what

02:08:04.760 what i mean it's like i i don't think i mean if they love if they really love each other that is

02:08:12.640 not the same thing at all it just means that he can go get space when the woman's like nagging

02:08:18.040 he could even take the kid and let the woman like you know when she's angry like how awesome would

02:08:23.780 it be if you could just leave you could take your kid so the kid's not tortured and you could just

02:08:29.260 leave the woman at her apartment on her period wouldn't it be amazing like imagine two houses

02:08:34.180 maybe a house in an apartment. Right. She, they like, he has a house and then like, uh, she,

02:08:40.360 you know, he's got an apartment and then she's being a bitch. Right. And he just says, all right,

02:08:45.180 honey, I love you. Um, I'm going to send you, you could even send her, there's so many female adult

02:08:50.820 daycares. Right. So you could send her to like the spa for a day. Yeah. You could like, so what

02:08:56.160 you could do is, so my gym, I love my gym. You there's like massages. I think there I've never

02:09:02.140 gotten a massage but like like imagine um she's being a bitch and you say hey honey let me just

02:09:09.160 drop you or maybe she doesn't she's being a bitch so she doesn't deserve it so you drop her off i

02:09:13.840 don't know what's like what's a place you could drop off and so this is what i would do so you

02:09:19.640 get a bitch right and then you get a surrogate now i don't know can you get a surrogate with a

02:09:25.240 woman and like have her still be the mom maybe you get a different mom i don't know but women

02:09:29.520 don't even like like they don't want to ruin their bodies to have a kid so women aren't even

02:09:33.940 like dying to have kids anyway so you can be like honey we're gonna get this nice surrogate to do

02:09:37.700 the kid for you and she's like oh whatever he gets all now he's got primary custody and every

02:09:45.340 time she's a bitch right maybe they could live in the house together but she has her own apartment

02:09:50.920 because women always say I don't want to lose myself so then you could be like oh oh honey

02:09:56.100 you know why don't you go be yourself in the apartment and so then he drops her off at the

02:10:01.980 um at the apartment and then um and then at that apartment like imagine like she's at that

02:10:11.660 apartment and like she can cool down and when she's done being a bitch now she can come back

02:10:18.360 that sounds like oh my god a play that sounds like peace on earth that sounds like paradise

02:10:24.120 A way where you could, you could banish your woman. Like imagine if every time your mother

02:10:31.920 was nagging, your dad says, honey, I'm bringing you to the apartment until you behave better.

02:10:38.960 That just sounds amazing. Last child support check cleared. Woo, never again.

02:10:45.280 Congratulations, sir.

02:10:46.660 i don't hate women well i just look at and i see it in myself you know we're just turmoil

02:10:56.320 and right now no women are under the authority or can be corrected by man and so that's why men

02:11:02.020 and that's why now the problem is um men with no leadership like no balls in a way they think

02:11:08.900 they could um do well with authority over women and that's where you get i guess some of the like

02:11:16.080 delusional guy like there's delusional men there's delusional women right

02:11:23.940 so sometimes I'm actually okay with some men having multiple wives because some men just

02:11:28.300 don't have the leadership like they're too simp the simp is just in their blood they'll never

02:11:33.440 going to be able to tell a woman like they're always going to fold they're they're too accommodating

02:11:38.620 they're too are you okay it's just never going to happen

02:11:41.660 and it's it's partially because their mothers probably fucked him up right the school system

02:11:52.440 fucked him up but like they're just too ruined like kind of like the way some women are just

02:11:56.940 too damaged some men are too damaged too right sim's gonna say yeah it's just i mean there's

02:12:01.360 men with cuck fantasies i mean you really want them to have a wife we got to give it

02:12:05.260 i don't know the i actually thought about watching the debate with andrew had i've watched it before

02:12:11.520 but with that biblical polygamy, polygamy guy, because he kind of was making sense.

02:12:17.980 He was actually making a lot of sense to me. If women only chase the top 20%,

02:12:22.020 why should the 20% have one woman? Well, here's the thing. I was thinking about it.

02:12:28.400 And a lot of people think like the way women are today, there's a bunch of single mothers,

02:12:33.140 there's old women. So like if men worked really hard and they got three subpar women,

02:12:40.380 i think a lot of men would be okay with that like okay you get one single mother but the dad has

02:12:46.500 custody uh you get one woman that's 35 you get one 25 year old woman like a lot of men would be

02:12:53.740 like okay there's some variety good enough you know because like a lot of men they see it as

02:12:59.680 oh well like the top 20 are going to take the women and it's like well just for a period of

02:13:05.780 time until she gets bored and leaves for the next guy that takes the women, you know?

02:13:10.860 Just as, am I in high school or college? That's very, that's very sweet, but I know I don't,

02:13:16.720 I know I look old, right? I know I look old, so.

02:13:24.000 Pearl wants to be a second wife so bad. I don't think I have it in me, to be honest.

02:13:28.540 i really wish i could turn off because i know logically right i know logically

02:13:34.920 men cheat and men like want to exploit their options and blah blah blah like do you know

02:13:41.700 how you guys wish you could turn off um that part of you that cares about like a woman's past i've

02:13:49.500 heard men say this they wish because some of the whores will be so cool but they just can't get over

02:13:53.360 it. That's how I feel about men banging other women. I just can't turn it off.

02:13:59.860 I know I look different than four years ago. I'm uglier now, you know, just is what it is.

02:14:07.340 I wish I, I wish I am a little thinner, but I mean, youth, youth has a glow. You just can never

02:14:13.140 buy back. You just can never buy back. But logically I can understand it. Like it would

02:14:20.320 actually make sense pearl would you cash out in a divorce well every woman thinks that she wouldn't

02:14:26.800 do you think women go into marriage planning to rob men for i mean some women do but um women are

02:14:33.360 so emotional like like it's just oh i feel angry let me crash out oh let me steal all this stuff

02:14:40.820 because he did this thing i didn't like it's like um you know it just is what it is no no i mean

02:14:48.260 i don't really think women go into it every woman thinks they'll do the right thing until they're

02:14:53.280 mad enough you know just is what it is changement to me how is that different and that's the

02:14:59.580 unfortunate reality of the world that we live in today what so your solution is if you get so

02:15:04.700 here's your idea the only difference is the man is still the household hang on here's what you

02:15:09.400 just said if you get divorced one of the am i allowed to respond is that the men are still

02:15:14.140 the head of the household when they run the relationship that way they're not the head of

02:15:17.620 household women are sorry how are they the head of the household if you're not even living together

02:15:22.900 there is no household you're paying for everything yeah so that's so your solution is

02:15:28.100 have two separate houses so you're paying double for two separate houses and then split

02:15:35.380 parenting time with the woman what's that well it doesn't have to be your idea here is no

02:15:41.540 okay it doesn't have to be split because we have to remember a few things marriage is going to be

02:15:45.460 for the upper class middle class people aren't really gonna get the opportunity to be married

02:15:50.980 anymore one because women aren't going to select them uh two a lot of those men can't afford a

02:15:55.620 divorce marriage is for people that can afford a divorce um yes like people aren't really gonna

02:16:01.860 buy houses anymore and men and women can be employed so yeah you would split parenting

02:16:10.180 time, but there's a lot of different jobs. You can make that work. Um, yeah. Okay. So, so the man

02:16:24.440 pays for it. No, she would pay for her house because women can have jobs now. Sorry, bitch.

02:16:29.760 You wanted equality. Here it is. So she can pay for herself, right? And he can pay for the house

02:16:35.640 and then she can stay in the house whenever she's acting good but when she's acting like a bitch

02:16:40.600 she's got to go you know chat when chad comes over she gets minorly upset over the dumbest thing

02:16:46.040 well chad's gonna come over do you think it's like chad isn't gonna come over

02:16:50.280 men have housewives and chad's still like chad's gonna come over regardless like at least

02:16:59.060 at least then

02:17:01.000 this got like

02:17:03.460 at least that way

02:17:04.800 she can pay

02:17:07.780 for it herself you know he didn't

02:17:10.100 invest a bunch of money in this

02:17:11.860 bitch you know

02:17:12.620 I am going to go on whatever soon

02:17:17.720 but you know Brian hasn't

02:17:21.620 responded to me I don't know maybe we have beef and I didn't

02:17:23.640 know it

02:17:29.060 yeah like so the chat chad is gonna chad's gonna come regardless so you're probably gonna get

02:17:55.800 cheated on i mean that's just it is what it is take the l eat it whatever but like at least that

02:18:01.840 way the woman is paying for herself so he's at less of a risk for child support and alimony

02:18:06.060 and you guys could still sleep together like a good chunk of the night so he just has his own

02:18:11.260 house you know i mean when you're dating i mean most nights you're together you just kind of

02:18:18.420 alternate houses so it's like a little annoying you got two rents but you could even hypothetically

02:18:24.620 do it so you live next door. There's a lot of ways to do it, right?

02:18:38.880 Yeah, so. Domiciles and then split parenting time with the woman. Now, if we had a divorced

02:18:45.700 relationship, you would be living in two domiciles and splitting the parent time with the woman.

02:18:50.160 so well but it wouldn't be split because like ideally you'd like each other you'd be hanging

02:18:56.200 you'd be hanging out accepting a woman okay this is such a low iq take respectfully

02:19:03.800 accepting a woman who is cheating on you is like accepting stds do you think she's

02:19:08.940 gonna tell you there's no accepting or not accepting it's not your control

02:19:13.540 like okay i won't accept it and the woman will say okay and then still go bang chad

02:19:25.980 i'll leave you if you do this okay and then still go bang chad you know it's like

02:19:31.020 yeah hang on so if the risk of divorce is well you may not be able to see your kids

02:19:39.140 and you may have to be paying for it.

02:19:41.220 I don't think that men are needed to do

02:19:44.320 much of the parenting when children are small.

02:19:46.900 Let me finish my point.

02:19:48.720 You're talking about parenting, right?

02:19:50.080 Yeah, let me finish my point.

02:19:51.620 Rich is coming from a pragmatic.

02:19:53.740 He's coming from idealism.

02:19:56.240 I used to argue like this, so I'm not judging.

02:19:59.960 It's just a turning point you have to get to.

02:20:05.640 Then respond to it after I finish it.

02:20:07.960 their your worldview just showed that there's no distinction if i get a divorce i have to pay for

02:20:14.720 my wife's new living or ex-wife's new living arrangement in a new domicile through child

02:20:19.580 support and then i have to take care of the kids under your view you're just saying go ahead and

02:20:24.900 get cut right to the end and go ahead and begin paying for her domicile and support it's literally

02:20:30.400 you're just asking men to live like they're divorced that's not what i'm saying no because

02:20:34.600 it's a complete, it's totally a completely different dynamic.

02:20:42.300 It's a completely, so the video's a little quiet, I can turn it up.

02:20:47.560 No, because if you're together, okay, like imagine,

02:20:53.360 if anything, I mean, if this is the argument he's going to make, then soldiers aren't married

02:20:59.520 because they don't spend all the time at home, right? Are soldiers not married because they're,

02:21:04.600 living divorced because they live overseas now like okay you could literally get townhouses like

02:21:15.160 you could get a townhouse and an apartment next door you go to a suburb and there's like

02:21:22.140 it's literally within a mile like cities there's going to be so many different living places that

02:21:27.680 they make up that i mean there's going to be choices for this you're only probably going to

02:21:33.220 have one, maybe two kids. So, and you're going to be going to those people's houses, right?

02:21:43.220 Like you're going to go to her house and spend, like you'll spend the whole day there. It's not

02:21:47.080 50-50, you know. That's a minimally different dynamic. It's completely different, right? Because

02:21:57.480 people that aren't together, they drop off the kid and they go home. They're not spending time

02:22:02.500 together as a family like they wouldn't be drop-offs it would just be him he could spend

02:22:12.960 like three days with you four days with you you could spend like weeks together if you wanted you

02:22:22.720 know yeah the there's no difference yeah there is a difference because the court well here man

02:22:31.780 explain it to you all right the court is running the show when you get divorced women run the show

02:22:36.820 when you get divorced they they leverage family law for their benefit they're getting 80 of the

02:22:41.700 custody orders uh whenever there's child support that's required it flows from a father to the

02:22:47.620 mother if there's alimony that's in range 97 of the time it goes from the father to the mother

02:22:53.940 yeah truck driver right now i see the house maybe four times a month

02:22:58.420 Yeah, like you think about it, if he's got an office job, you're going to see him a lot

02:23:13.280 more if you have two different houses than a lot of professions, a lot of professions.

02:23:22.160 And she controls most of the outcomes in a unilateral fashion when it comes to the family

02:23:27.880 courts. But if you're with a woman and she says, Hey, I love you. And you say, I love you too,

02:23:32.460 sort of thing. And she says, you know, let's have a family. I'd like to have kids. You say, fine,

02:23:35.980 but here's my boundary. I can't live in a way that looks like marriage to the government. So

02:23:39.320 I'm going to pay for a house. I'll rent a house. I'll look after you. I'll come and visit you and

02:23:43.120 the kids. Um, but we can't live in a way that looks like marriage to the government.

02:23:48.180 Now, Rich, what prevents the woman since, since there's children involved, what prevents that

02:23:54.500 woman from going and pursuing child support anyway and just breaking up with you she can but she

02:23:59.840 doesn't yes you can these says this doesn't mitigate anything yes it does you don't have

02:24:04.600 to lose half your shit you're already paying for half of their shit you're paying for all their

02:24:08.760 shit no you don't lose half of your assets andrew yes you do you're already paying half your assets

02:24:14.880 so this woman can live apart you're not you're not you're not living in a way that looks like

02:24:19.620 marriage to the government you're not married you're not living in a way that looks like marriage

02:24:23.460 to the government you understand the difference no no no and here's why for family law to to force

02:24:30.260 a man to compel a man to pay alimony it has to like you have to be married or you have to live

02:24:35.860 in a way that looks like marriage to the government so if you want to go about

02:24:39.140 my god my god my bad

02:24:53.380 okay we're gonna go a little further back

02:25:00.440 yes you do you're already paying half your assets so this woman can live apart you're not you're

02:25:08.960 not you're not living in a way that looks like marriage to the government you're not married

02:25:13.240 you're not living in a way that looks like marriage to the government you understand the

02:25:16.740 difference no no no and here's why for family law to to force a man to compel a man to pay

02:25:23.340 alimony it has to like you have to be married or you have to live in a way that looks like

02:25:28.260 marriage to the government so if you want to go about it a certain way like you know we're talking

02:25:32.620 about a strategy here now at this point yeah if you want to apply a strategy to the game to sort

02:25:37.540 of circumvent some of the uh risk profiles then that's one way to do it that's just one way to do

02:25:43.980 it i mean there's other ways that we yeah but let's focus on this one real quick because to me

02:25:47.920 it's incoherent the idea here is a the woman can still pursue here because it doesn't align with

02:25:53.160 your worldview with no it's incoherent because when it's applied to what it is that you're trying

02:25:57.720 to avoid, you're just skipping to the thing you were trying to avoid in the first place.

02:26:04.080 You're going to split assets and be paying towards your ex-wife's new life.

02:26:10.100 Yeah, but he's saying, like, let's try to mitigate it as much as we can. So, okay,

02:26:15.080 if you're less on the hook for child support, if you're resplitting the bills, you'll pay less,

02:26:21.580 right there's states you can live in like there's no guarantees right but if you want to like like

02:26:28.600 it's interesting because rich is arguing to minimize risk with this way and

02:26:33.040 andrew is arguing to minimize risk with god so it's like why is one bad and the other not

02:26:40.420 that's what you're trying to avoid under your view though you're just doing the same thing

02:26:44.660 you're just paying for her assets hang on hang on in the same exact way and she can still pursue

02:26:49.860 legal action through the kids that doesn't stop her from doing that at all yeah and you have taken

02:26:54.180 out the risk mitigation now of religion so there actually seems like there's an incentive for her

02:26:58.580 to do that the the remedy that she can apply for will be child support right yeah she can't apply

02:27:06.180 for alimony she can't apply for half of her because they're not living yeah yeah in a way

02:27:11.380 that looks like marriage and even child support if they make similar it's a lot less likely the

02:27:17.940 state will always make sure the children are looked after that's that's what they do so there's

02:27:23.780 no avoiding the state well let's just agree on something like some of the biggest risks

02:27:28.740 for men are what child support alimony and the loss of half half of their assets yeah

02:27:35.220 yeah so you just eliminate two of those risks and the only thing that you'd have to deal with

02:27:41.060 is child support versus marriage where she can take half of your alimony and child support

02:27:47.940 Hang on. You haven't done that exactly. So, no, you haven't eliminated this risk. So here's why you haven't eliminated it. You're still paying out just like you were divorced. You're still paying out just as though you were divorced for this woman to be taking care of your kids for half her assets and you're living apart from her.

02:28:08.020 and what this does is this also creates a massive problem which is that the outcomes for the

02:28:15.160 children are still not going to be as good as if they were at home with mommy and daddy to get

02:28:19.580 hang on together because we have all the data in the world to provide it for this that that in

02:28:23.980 split households how much how much data model that i just described to you as a as a solution

02:28:30.240 to that would be that would be your burden not mine well it's one version it's one version that

02:28:35.000 um no no but that would be your burden you would be you would need to show me the proof that that

02:28:39.460 works better than than the model of being heavily religious and in marriage for mitigation that

02:28:45.360 wouldn't be on me to prove to you it'd be on you to prove to me well they're not going to study

02:28:49.220 something like that but i can tell you from evidence that i've seen that it works quite well

02:28:53.040 what evidence people that i know that do it that's anecdotal yeah they always again that's

02:28:58.560 anecdotal that I hate it when commentators say that because like are you gonna like Rich is a

02:29:05.800 subject matter expert in this he is a subject like his anecdotes matter they're important

02:29:12.820 and they are credible um so I just I don't like it when commentators say that because you're saying

02:29:20.980 believe me because of my study and that's giving power to the academics and the commentators that

02:29:28.100 don't have like none of us have real jobs so we can read the studies when it's like no the boots

02:29:33.460 on the ground like we always need to give respect to the boots on the ground and what people are

02:29:38.520 seeing with their eyes i understand that like you know for the purpose of a debate like maybe you

02:29:43.660 have to use studies but just in general um and like yes statistics can be helpful but they're

02:29:50.260 not the end-all be-all because statistics are owned by women which is academia right um the

02:29:56.800 setup that cooper is offering doesn't work for most men nor is it effective in mitigating risk

02:30:00.820 from the state intervention you cannot logic women into not screwing you over that's true

02:30:05.080 that's completely true but it's just a choice you know um that's the problem there's no guarantees

02:30:11.800 there's just you know choices and trade-offs yeah there's no place in a debate you can appeal to

02:30:18.380 a lot of people that do this andrew like you realize this that's anecdotal right but you

02:30:23.200 understand that that that men are having to uh become creative when it comes to the notion of

02:30:29.040 having children without losing their shit one of the other things you see guys trying to

02:30:33.680 trying to use to solve this uh problem is surrogacy which is another bizarre one

02:30:38.720 right then you don't have the mom involved at all yeah but that's only going to be available to men

02:30:43.440 who have wealth so become wealthy that's yeah well but that's that but you see what i'm saying

02:30:48.960 like this creates a massive problem most men are not going to become wealthy most people are not

02:30:54.320 going but and most women won't choose men for marriage because they don't have enough money

02:30:58.800 women will bang men for free so if you want sex don't worry that's going to be available forever

02:31:04.240 um but marriage like women tend to pick men with money or if you're not successful then

02:31:10.720 then you have to follow the masses this is this is why so many guys get destroyed because the

02:31:16.880 because the game is rigged against them the population has no real fair way to navigate

02:31:25.920 relationships and children consecutively yeah but you create here's the problem that you have

02:31:31.520 here with this analogy the first is when you appeal to an anecdote if i were to give you

02:31:36.880 a similar anecdote oh i know a lot of guys who do that and doesn't work out for them you wouldn't

02:31:40.320 believe me because that doesn't tell us anything that's one the second problem here is one thing

02:31:46.240 about marriage that's useful yeah no no your anecdotes like here's the thing if he has anecdotes

02:31:53.520 of people that it worked out then i just have the questions right okay how long have they been

02:31:58.080 together how can you tell that it's working out like uh where do they live can we interview them

02:32:03.600 like these are all questions you know um yeah so i'm i'm for the academic research but i would

02:32:14.000 argue the year of publication is more likely to um consider back in the 2000s it was more unbiased

02:32:24.240 okay

02:32:28.000 hold on there's someone else's comment i wanted to read

02:32:39.280 isn't japan or china doing a single woman tax oh if they are i didn't know that

02:32:44.000 but I think women will give up 10% of their income before they marry average

02:32:49.400 men. They'll just get sugar baby.

02:32:51.760 They'll just get sex work stuff for us is being able to track divorce.

02:32:56.380 That's really easy. Cause it all goes to that on that. Yeah.

02:32:59.300 We got lots of data on divorce and the statistics around it. Yeah.

02:33:03.160 And the problem that you have here is that you're saying, well,

02:33:06.160 men are getting destroyed because of how many of these, you know,

02:33:09.920 marriages and in divorce, but that's actually only true of some groups.

02:33:14.000 Some groups, your risk of divorce is very, very small.

02:33:18.660 It's very tiny.

02:33:19.520 It's a tiny, it's well within what I would consider.

02:33:22.760 What is the difference in risk for divorce for people that are Christians versus non-Christians?

02:33:28.360 It depends on which type of Christian.

02:33:30.500 We're talking about your nominal Christian, you're on par with the national average.

02:33:34.600 If you're a devout Catholic or devout Orthodox, it's...

02:33:37.520 Well, who wants to do all that?

02:33:39.200 I mean, I don't want to sit through Latin Mass.

02:33:41.140 sorry i don't want to do it

02:33:45.260 i guess i'll be with the rest of you degenerates

02:33:49.760 like okay so unless i live my life the way you want me to live

02:33:55.400 now i'm gonna get divorced yeah it's it's like okay what about guys that

02:34:02.180 have jobs that don't allow them to do that that's why again

02:34:05.560 down to 12 percent to 18 percent versus 40 percent 12 versus 40 that's a huge like we're

02:34:14.280 talking about now well within acceptable risk if it's the case that five to ten percent of people

02:34:19.700 who ever have a drink are going to become alcoholics right you wouldn't say that that's

02:34:23.280 so much risk yeah right yeah right let me let me all right hold on let me

02:34:30.140 i did a video hey guys have you heard the good news fake trad cons have solved all of your

02:34:37.820 let me let me play this video i think it's very

02:34:42.220 all right i'm gonna play a video of mine while i go get a water because i've talked

02:34:48.100 for two hours straight and i need water but um

02:34:52.420 Doug this was the unlisted version

02:35:03.600 there's something wrong with the unlisted version if I remember right

02:35:07.080 alright let me find it

02:35:09.760 because I think it got a decent amount of views

02:35:16.400 so it should be one of the most popular ones

02:35:18.320 women are literally incapable of saving money not that one

02:35:23.160 I know we posted it, so I know it's up here.

02:35:34.040 Okay, hold on.

02:35:46.600 Wait, where?

02:35:47.680 Am I missing something?

02:35:48.980 Okay, hold on.

02:35:52.280 When we're done with the website, there's going to be a page that, I think it's this one.

02:36:09.000 All right, hold on.

02:36:22.280 oh here it is this is the one i found it okay i'm gonna play this video while i go get a water

02:36:45.080 make it full screen okay

02:36:47.080 have you heard the good news fake trad cons have solved all of your romantic problems

02:36:53.620 you can now find a girl at church and get married asap don't even worry about the risks just man up

02:36:59.500 and marry these hoes don't think just go for it it'll probably be fine and if you don't you're

02:37:05.520 probably one of those doomer red pillars who hate women the opposition of feminists or so

02:37:10.940 fake trad cons have been telling me you see what people like the trad cons at the daily wire have

02:37:16.900 been saying the past few years is that with a few extra steps, marriage is totally safe now.

02:37:22.400 Young men, we're just going to cut right to it. Find a woman, fall in love, get married,

02:37:26.420 have more children than you can afford. Well, now they say grow up and then get married. And

02:37:30.560 in the past they said, get married and grow up. So that you can grow up. I mean, I think frankly,

02:37:34.300 people are getting married too late on average. Right now, I think it's 28 for men and 26 for

02:37:37.220 women. And it's way too late. In a marriage where you have children, nurture provider roles are

02:37:42.920 very valuable. What do I mean by that? Nurture and provide. Both parents do both. Fathers should

02:37:48.520 nurture their kids. Mothers should provide. But specifically for mothers of young children.

02:37:53.060 Divorce rates have been dropping and all you've got to do is be religious and the risk is almost

02:37:57.740 completely eliminated. Fake trad cons have also pointed out that marriage is always awesome and

02:38:02.940 married men wind up being richer, happier, and healthier than all you single losers out there.

02:38:08.280 So don't delay. Find yourself that born-again virgin, the retired OnlyFans hoe, and tie the

02:38:13.720 knot right away. God will absolve her of all of her sins, so you should too. I'm sure those tattoos

02:38:20.320 will laser right off. Never mind that the church is the last stop on the whore train. Of course,

02:38:26.200 the reality is drastically different. When I started putting together a divorce documentary

02:38:30.620 a few years ago, I could not understand why so many men did not want to get married. But then

02:38:36.700 i was exposed to a vast sea of horror stories of how men were treated in marriage and divorce court

02:38:43.260 one after another accounts of dozens upon dozens of men going through hell on earth

02:38:48.380 and being ground into dust underneath a boot heel of a corrupt system many of these horror stories

02:38:54.060 come from men who were religious in fact one of the worst horror stories i ever heard an utterly

02:38:59.580 harrowing tale that i will never forget came from a man who attended the exact same church

02:39:05.100 as the fanatically religious marriage pusher-in-chief Michael Knowles of The Daily Wire.

02:39:10.460 I'm just saying how people ought to behave, and they ought to get married, that's what I'm saying.

02:39:14.620 Okay, well... Which is implied by our nature, which is the is. Because it is good for men to

02:39:19.580 be married and to have children. Of course, in reality, conservative commentators frequently

02:39:24.780 mislead men about marriage in a number of ways. Their motivations for this act of deception are

02:39:30.060 twofold. One, they don't care about calling for divorce reform because they don't want to piss

02:39:35.320 off their female audience. Women, particularly those of marriageable age, are much less likely

02:39:40.620 to become conservatives. Highlighting the corruption of the divorce system, one of the few

02:39:45.280 examples of institutional sexism that actually exists would force conservatives to mention how

02:39:51.220 some women have shamelessly taken advantage of the system to snatch more than their fair share

02:39:56.080 or even to brutally punish their ex-husbands via lawfare.

02:39:59.640 And God forbid you should offend all of those aspiring tradwives

02:40:02.760 who tune into the Daily Wire,

02:40:04.500 the Raisin Bran of online political commentary,

02:40:07.140 or threaten to take away their massive safety net

02:40:09.720 should the tradwives decide to turn hypocrite and quit their marriage.

02:40:13.860 At best, conservative commentators will occasionally throw a lukewarm statement

02:40:18.160 acknowledging that the divorce system is corrupt

02:40:21.120 before adding that it'll never be reformed in our lifetime

02:40:24.140 and so men might as well take the risk of getting married anyway. The second motivation is many

02:40:29.540 conservatives are secretly happy with the divorce system as it now stands, at least partially,

02:40:35.360 because it allows them to sell their religion as a vital part of the solution. If divorce law was

02:40:40.940 reformed to be more equitable and less biased against men, then fake trad cons wouldn't be

02:40:45.900 able to say that having a religion substantially reduces the chances of divorce. As we shall see,

02:40:51.700 that claim is a significant exaggeration, and in certain cases, it's an outright lie.

02:40:57.260 As for you seculars, fake trad cons really couldn't care less. Though they may not openly

02:41:02.000 say it, secular marriage is an abomination in their eyes, and ultimately, you deserve what you

02:41:06.920 get. And what does it matter if hundreds of millions of men across the world continue to

02:41:11.680 have their families torn apart, their finances destroyed, with them becoming paying spectators

02:41:17.200 of their children's lives. If it means fake trad cons get to add a few more bodies to the

02:41:22.000 congregation with the claim that religion reduces risk. Ask Stephen Crowder how that one worked out.

02:41:28.120 So how do conservatives gloss over the risks of men face in marriage? First, they gleefully point

02:41:34.020 out that the divorce rate has been declining. It's no longer the cliche 50%. According to most

02:41:39.860 reliable estimates from sources like the American Psychological Association, the U.S. Census Bureau,

02:41:45.540 and the Center for Disease Control, the divorce rate has declined from roughly a 55% peak around

02:41:52.080 1980 to somewhere between 40 and 45% today. The decrease is mostly due to the marriage rate being

02:41:59.440 almost cut in half since 1980 and unmarried cohabitation skyrocketing since then. If there

02:42:05.040 was a sudden rush for marriage across society, it would almost certainly rise again. But the divorce

02:42:10.920 rate isn't just a simple calculation. It's all based on population samples and surveys to get

02:42:16.440 a crude number of divorces per a thousand people. Then further estimates and projections are required

02:42:21.640 to give us the more familiar percentages of 40, 45, or 50 percent of all marriages failing. The

02:42:27.980 extra calculations required allow room for deliberate deception. Certain pro-marriage

02:42:33.340 activists and conservative commentators have employed specific data sets and population

02:42:38.300 samples, along with some creative accounting to claim that the divorce rate is actually 35%

02:42:43.600 or even as low as 30%, with some conservatives like Christian scholar and social researcher

02:42:49.540 Shanti Feldhahn claiming that the divorce rate is no higher than 25%. This is delusional nonsense,

02:42:56.760 but there you have it. According to the commentators who deliberately want men to net up

02:43:01.800 and get hitched, the odds of your marriage falling apart aren't 50-50, they're one in three,

02:43:06.880 or even as low as one in four. Now, you might argue that if you started your car in the morning

02:43:11.600 and there's a 25 to 35% chance of your car exploding, you'd be more likely to just take

02:43:16.680 the bus. But for marriage advocates, a 25 to 35% chance of having your life ruined and your finances

02:43:22.840 destroyed is an acceptable risk for men to take, for God and country. For perspective, the odds

02:43:29.360 are actually worse than a round of Russian roulette. Of course, as mentioned, the most

02:43:33.980 reliable estimates for the modern divorce rate are currently between 40 and 45 percent of all

02:43:39.560 marriages failing. Slightly less than half. Not exactly great, with the average length of a

02:43:44.480 marriage being roughly eight years. Hardly a picture of till death do us part, unless you

02:43:49.260 happen to be a heroin addict or you've got yourself a dose of cancer. In reality, 40 to 45 percent is

02:43:55.840 not that big of a difference from the 50-50 coin toss the general public associates with divorce.

02:44:01.620 But conservatives are desperate to exaggerate just how much the divorce rate is declining.

02:44:06.620 So men feel more comfortable taking the plunge.

02:44:10.020 Damn the risks, marry these hoes, Godspeed.

02:44:13.140 The next way fake trad cons tend to manipulate men towards marriage is by offering them the

02:44:17.600 silver bullet that if you become conservative and choose a religious girl, your chances of

02:44:22.800 divorce are substantially reduced.

02:44:25.520 One set of statistics that has been passed around by marriage advocates and conservative

02:44:30.200 commentators are the ones compiled by Megan Cooper, a purple-haired amateur historian who

02:44:35.960 writes fluff for the bubblegum lifestyle website lovetoknow.com. Cooper's article was then copy

02:44:42.860 and pasted almost verbatim to the websites of a few law firms, where doubtless the numbers looked

02:44:49.680 more and more credible. This is where marriage advocates found them and spread them across

02:44:54.060 social media as if they were fact. So widespread are they now that they are in fact the top

02:44:58.700 Google search and AI researchers like Kroc mistakenly referenced them. According to Megan

02:45:03.880 Cooper's numbers, which she calculated somewhat haphazardly and inaccurately from a Pew survey

02:45:09.220 data, I will spare you the joke about women in math. According to her, Catholics have a 19%

02:45:14.480 divorce rate, Orthodox a 9%, Jews a 9%, Muslims 8%, and Hindus 5%, all of which seem substantially

02:45:22.740 smaller than a U.S. average of 40 to 45 percent. Then Cooper provides a 51 percent divorce rate

02:45:29.420 for mainstream Protestants, which people uncritically think accounts for the high national

02:45:34.000 average. In reality, the 51 percent, which has been parroted on law firm websites and across

02:45:39.360 the Internet, appears to have been a plain old miscalculation on Cooper's part. The highest

02:45:45.320 divorce rates were among Protestants, according to Cooper's own data, are evangelicals and born

02:45:51.020 again Christians with a 28% and 33% respectively, neither of which would explain the 51% average.

02:45:58.500 Nevertheless, all of these percentages seem like a substantially reduced risk, making it appear is

02:46:04.660 all you got to do is get right with God and you'll wind up with an adorable wife in a sundress who

02:46:09.600 bakes cherry pies all day. But what most people don't seem to notice is these numbers are not

02:46:15.120 lifetime divorce rates. Instead, they are a snapshot of the number of divorced people at

02:46:20.760 any given time. The percentages don't take into account these people who have remarried. And we

02:46:26.120 know divorce rates are worse for second and third marriages. And what marriage advocates and

02:46:31.100 conservative commentators often neglect to mention about Cooper's data is that the divorce rate for

02:46:36.520 atheists is 2%, which law firms inflated to 11% to look slightly less ridiculous. This is the stuff

02:46:43.660 that is currently being widely cited online as fact.

02:46:46.600 Conservative commentators just tend not to mention

02:46:48.980 the atheist number.

02:46:50.420 Either way, the low divorce rate for atheists

02:46:52.360 would seemingly imply that the reduced risk

02:46:54.500 has nothing to do with religion.

02:46:56.320 But something doesn't add up.

02:46:57.720 On the other hand, if we correct Megan Cooper's math

02:47:00.320 and derive lifetime divorce rates from the same Pew data,

02:47:03.940 it paints a drastically different picture.

02:47:06.300 People with no religion have a lifetime divorce rate

02:47:08.720 of 48%, evangelicals have a divorce rate of 46%,

02:47:12.440 Mainstream Protestants, 42%. Historically, Black Protestants, 54%. Catholics, 35%. Orthodox, 33%.

02:47:20.920 Jews, 33%. Muslims, 24%. And Hindus, 15%. For Christian denominations in Judaism, that means

02:47:27.780 your odds of divorce lie between one in three and one in two. Not exactly that much of a reduction

02:47:32.820 of risk. And given that most American conservatives are Christian, they are probably not exactly

02:47:38.380 thrilled with the idea of your best bet for staying married is worshiping Allah or Vishnu.

02:47:43.600 And these religions have a lower divorce rate for other reasons, such as the subordination of women

02:47:49.020 in the Islamic Hadith and the arranged marriages of the Hindu. It should be noted that Hindus have

02:47:54.620 slightly better odds than a game of Russian roulette and only by a measly 1.6 percent.

02:48:00.560 And it's hardly a silver bullet against divorce if the state is still holding a gun to your head.

02:48:05.920 I should point out that I'm continuing to develop my in-depth documentary on modern divorce with a huge emphasis on listening to men's stories and perspectives and calling for direly needed legal reform and societal change.

02:48:18.740 The documentary is heavily dependent on viewers for support. The more funding we receive, the more we can do, and the deeper down the rabbit hole we can venture.

02:48:26.360 There's a link to the GoFundMe in the video description if you want to get involved.

02:48:30.540 Now, a marriage pusher from the fake tradcon side might be quick to point out that many of these

02:48:35.800 people are religious in name only. The Institute for Family Studies, which in reality is nothing

02:48:41.220 more than a pro-marriage propaganda outlet masquerading as a scholarly organization,

02:48:46.300 have made great hay with the claim that regular church attendance seems to correlate with a 50%

02:48:52.260 reduction in the likelihood of divorce. In fact, this claim ties back to a 2018 Harvard study,

02:48:58.260 which found that super devout Christians who attended church more than once a week

02:49:02.140 reduced their likelihood of divorce by 42%.

02:49:05.020 Not those who attended once a week, and certainly not those who attended less.

02:49:09.960 Broken down, this is a 32% reduction of risk for Protestants who attended church more than once a week,

02:49:15.720 and a 54% reduction for Catholics who showed up multiple times a week.

02:49:21.300 The difference between the two largely being the greater hostility towards divorce within Catholicism.

02:49:27.480 Nevertheless, 28% of super devout Protestants, 16% of super devout Catholics who attended church

02:49:33.240 multiple times per week still ended up getting divorced, a risk of roughly one in four for

02:49:38.840 Protestants and a Russian roulette risk of one in six for Catholics. Furthermore, according to Pew

02:49:44.640 data and also LifeWay's research, only 12% of both Catholics and Protestants attend church more than

02:49:50.620 once per week, with most of these people being middle-aged or older, not in their 20s and 30s.

02:49:55.700 So even if men were to make the commitment of being super devout, there would be nowhere near

02:50:01.340 a large enough pool of available church girls to go out with. So despite what fake trad cons would

02:50:07.200 tell you, religiosity is hardly a solution for the male population to overcome the risks of divorce.

02:50:12.820 But as I mentioned, most members of the fake trad con could give a damn about the male population

02:50:17.700 at large. They're mostly interested in using the divorce issue as a foil for recruitment. And it

02:50:23.140 goes without saying that not all super devout women who don't believe in divorce will necessarily

02:50:27.920 be all sweetness and light after the wedding. Some men will find themselves trapped in toxic

02:50:32.960 marriages with female religious fanatics who call all the shot, are stingy with sex, and weigh their

02:50:38.840 husbands down with all sorts of unreasonable demands and moral standards. Never mind the

02:50:44.040 massive potential for a religious wife to turn out to be a hypocrite. We shall probably never know

02:50:49.140 what percentage of super devout marriages are genuinely happy and what percentage are not.

02:50:53.600 Since keeping up with the appearances and keeping marital problems secret are notorious part of how

02:50:59.360 super devout couples operate. But what are the benefits of matrimony to men? Marriage advocates

02:51:04.720 frequently talk about how on average married men benefit from greater health, happiness,

02:51:10.420 and financial success. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics indicates that married men earn 10 to

02:51:16.460 20% more than single ones. But please bear in mind that is largely due to a higher financial

02:51:23.060 burden placed upon a married man. Yes, there is the cost of children, but more significantly is

02:51:29.160 the average cost of materially satisfying a wife. Now, part of this is evolution. Women's nesting

02:51:35.860 habits can prompt the purchase of everything from a nice house to silverware to otherwise useless

02:51:41.480 throw pillows. And part of this is social status, with women being far more likely to push for

02:51:48.180 luxury brands or to go on two vacations a year. All told, a wife can quadruple a man's household

02:51:54.900 expenditures. Meanwhile, a single man can be satisfied with far fewer possessions,

02:52:00.480 mostly the basic essentials, plus some recreational purchases like TVs,

02:52:05.280 game consoles, and sound systems. Beyond that, the most single men are satisfied with far less,

02:52:12.240 some even being perfectly happy with a studio apartment and a mattress on the floor. In short,

02:52:16.740 married men earn 10 to 20% more money because their wives make it so they well have to.

02:52:23.120 As for happiness, the general social survey in 2022 indicated that roughly 33% more married men

02:52:30.380 ticked the box for being very happy compared to single men. And a 2019 article in the Journal of

02:52:36.520 Marriage and Family found that depression was 47% less common among married men than their single

02:52:42.440 counterparts. However, that's really not the whole picture. According to the Journal of Psychological

02:52:48.560 Medicine, the 40 to 45% of married men who get divorced see their depression rates skyrocket

02:52:55.820 again by 312%, far outstripping the depression rates seen among single men. So congrats if

02:53:03.580 you're married and it works out. I'm not denying that there are successful marriages to good women

02:53:08.420 that could potentially make men happy. The point is that men today are running a considerable risk

02:53:14.660 to the tune of 40 to 45% of those attempts at happiness blowing up in their face and leaving

02:53:20.580 them worse off than if they had just saved their money and remained single. And it is entirely

02:53:25.760 unsurprising that most troubled people in the world tend to be single. However, if you are a

02:53:30.940 single man and you don't binge drink, shoot heroin, or eat like shit, but take decent care of yourself,

02:53:36.560 none of these arguments really apply to you. You'll live as long as a married man. But how about

02:53:41.900 prenups? After all, it's another way for men to reduce the risk of being financially destroyed

02:53:46.460 or having their children taken away from them in a corrupt divorce system.

02:53:50.120 Some conservative commentators like Michael Knowles discourage prenups as a safety measure

02:53:54.940 altogether since, according to him, it violates the sacrament of marriage by merely acknowledging

02:54:00.260 the statistical reality that the relationship might fail.

02:54:03.400 You know the state of marriage today?

02:54:04.180 I'm articulating the Catholicism.

02:54:05.720 You know the state of women today and men still can't get prenups?

02:54:10.920 Right.

02:54:11.860 To protect themselves?

02:54:13.600 Right. Because marriage in its nature, as you said, is a lifelong union of a man and a woman

02:54:18.540 for the sake of begetting and educating children and for the mutual support of the spouses.

02:54:22.200 They would share some things. They would never get specific on specific people, but

02:54:26.640 they would say that most of the marriages are miserable. People are miserably married.

02:54:30.860 And I think I've even heard another guy you talk to, Tim, say something similar.

02:54:35.240 FYI, there's nothing in the Bible explicitly against prenups. This is just a rigid and

02:54:40.440 somewhat reckless interpretation of theology. According to Knowles, men just have to suck it

02:54:46.040 up and leave themselves completely exposed and legally vulnerable because God allegedly wants

02:54:52.460 them to. But I suspect if the sacrament of baptism resulted in babies drowning 40 to 45 percent of

02:54:59.200 the time, most parents would be inclined to buy their child water wings. Other conservative

02:55:04.640 commentators are more reasonable than Knowles and recognize in the modern world, prenups are a great

02:55:09.340 form of risk mitigation. According to the available data, only about 12% of prenuptial

02:55:14.580 agreements are thrown out in court. So men who take this precaution only have a one in eight

02:55:20.100 chance of getting financially obliterated and having their children stolen. At least it's

02:55:25.260 slightly better odds than having a game of Russian roulette. And I leave it up to you to decide

02:55:30.160 whether or not that makes marriage low enough of a risk to go for it. However, according to a 2022

02:55:36.200 Harris poll, only 15% of spouses across the United States actually get prenups. And according to a

02:55:42.640 2017 Brandon Gale survey, 67% of women who are hostile to the idea of getting one. So making a

02:55:50.100 prenup a prerequisite for marriage might severely constrict a man's dating pool and leave the

02:55:55.280 majority of men out here in the cold unable to find a reasonable woman who recognizes the corruption

02:56:00.360 of divorce courts. The truth is there is no silver bullet that would cure men's justifiable

02:56:06.300 marriage hesitancy. According to a 2023 study published by Date Psychology, roughly two-thirds

02:56:12.980 of men seem to be entirely turned off by dating. The juice doesn't seem to be worth the squeeze.

02:56:19.240 And these men won't be coming back to the table until there's meaningful divorce court reform or

02:56:23.820 greater proportion of women learning to become wife material worthy of the risk, preferably both.

02:56:30.360 As such, if fake trad cons are generally concerned for the romantic and marital happiness of men,

02:56:35.960 and not just those men that they think they can convert, they would make a campaign for

02:56:40.500 divorce court reform their number one issue with regard to the future of the nation. Because

02:56:46.120 without men marrying, the fertility rate is going to continue to plummet to South Korea levels.

02:56:51.860 Meanwhile, I suspect that the dating situation is going to continue to deteriorate until young

02:56:57.020 women realize that their own interests are being hurt by neglecting the traits, qualities, and

02:57:02.720 outlook that men seek in romantic partners. After all, involuntary singleness and childlessness

02:57:08.100 are already at epidemic levels among Western women, and this trend is projected to continue

02:57:13.360 to climb. In order for that pattern to reverse itself, reciprocity is key. The juice must be

02:57:19.960 worth the squeeze. Fake trad cons have often tarred me with the brush of being a black-pilled

02:57:24.460 doomer who thrives off of men being lonely and miserable, in which case I must be doing a bad

02:57:29.600 job because the majority of my single fan base report having found peace without the risks,

02:57:35.900 burdens, and inequality of a modern marriage. But for another thing that claims simply isn't true,

02:57:41.900 I just want men to be well-informed and to have a clear idea of the state of the field

02:57:46.600 without being misled by those with obvious self-serving agendas. Those who want to use

02:57:52.560 men as a disposable cannon fodder in the war for their political and religious ideals. I have

02:57:59.200 repeatedly said that I try not to prescribe things to men or tell them how to live. Individual men

02:58:04.020 are different with different skills, different personalities, different circumstances, and

02:58:08.700 different women around them. If you find a woman who is loyal, ride or die, and seems worth the

02:58:14.300 risk of marriage, then go for it. Consider a prenup. But if you're a man who wants to go his

02:58:20.020 own way and you are happy and at peace alone, also go for it. If you're a man who just wants

02:58:25.940 to date, party, and have fun, as long as you aren't misleading women with false promises,

02:58:32.180 I say go for it as well. Regardless of what path you choose, I hope it is right for you and that

02:58:37.200 it brings you satisfaction and contentment. Just do it fully informed, forewarned, and forearmed,

02:58:43.800 eyes open. Thank you for watching. Like the video, and we'll talk to you next time.

02:58:47.480 all right guys the first i think i'm gonna uh reserve the rest of this stream because i've

02:58:52.920 been going like three hours um i think tomorrow i'll um i'll do i'll maybe do a part two unless

02:59:03.320 i think something better but anyways it was good content regardless um respect to entrepreneurs

02:59:12.120 and cars, and also respect to Andrew Wilson. Both really great people in the space. I enjoy

02:59:18.080 them. So anyways, guys, make sure you like the video and subscribe to the channel. And

02:59:23.360 you know, I'm going to, I'll see you tomorrow. Probably, probably around like five to seven

02:59:29.560 ish tomorrow. I do at different times every day because with all honesty, it just, sometimes

02:59:36.760 I get stuff done. Sometimes my man wants to hang out, you know, or I'll want to do something with

02:59:44.800 him. So maybe like, it'll take longer, you know, it's just sometimes I'll like, I won't get as

02:59:49.580 my gym session takes longer. So it's just usually five and I don't know, eight or something.

02:59:56.320 So I'll see you guys later. Love you. And I'll see you next time.

Pearl - February 23, 2026

Andrew Wilson and Entrepreneurs In Cars CLASH on Marriage

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