Pearl - Andrew Wilson Defends The Tradcons and Takes an L

00:00:00.000 Commentators like using studies because it gives them more power.

00:00:03.720 All right, let's watch the debate.

00:00:05.920 Interesting phenomenon when you get two men together who agree on many, many things,

00:00:10.440 but disagree on some core issues.

00:00:13.300 So kind of the audience is now in a position to see a clash of ideas and make up their own mind.

00:00:18.300 That's what the point is.

00:00:19.820 In this particular case, we're diving into if marriage in the West is good for men.

00:00:24.760 But the Christian ethicist, in this case me, this is a tough topic to navigate

00:00:29.280 because it's full of nuance and the ideas have to be scrutinized

00:00:32.480 through a lens of non-Christians. 0.70

00:00:35.280 And you have to do that so that they'll understand where you're coming from.

00:00:39.040 And I need to do it in a way that still supports the Christian view.

00:00:42.520 Many people have trouble with nuance because they take critical thinking

00:00:46.260 about a position as the adoption of the position itself. 1.00

00:00:50.360 This is mostly just due to the fact that many people are fucking stupid. 1.00

00:00:54.460 And there isn't anything I can do about that, so I don't even try. 1.00

00:00:59.280 instead i want to meet them where they are and criticize the portions of the ideology i think

00:01:04.320 are incorrect and allow them to do the same in the case of mr cooper we will tangle on this core

00:01:10.940 idea is marriage worth it or not that's what it's going to come down to and to explore mr cooper's

00:01:15.840 view on this i've taken some time to review a lot of his content i haven't read his entire book

00:01:21.220 but i have read many excerpts from it and so of course i'm not gonna be able to glean all the

00:01:26.000 insight. I just didn't have time to read it. But here's what I got of his basic view. His view

00:01:31.280 is totally rational, according to both his book and online videos. Essentially,

00:01:37.420 the view is that the risk of marriage is due to the overlapping of the state. And in the view of

00:01:43.240 a contract, it's a really bad deal for men. Because marriage is a contract with the state,

00:01:48.640 and the state is seemingly biased against men, men have a lot to lose when it comes to assets

00:01:53.620 and their most important asset which is their children to rulings which are unfair to the man

00:01:58.020 when it comes to divorces this is mostly true and you're not going to get any argument from me on

00:02:02.980 this further he expands that the chances of divorce are very high he cites 50 in many cases

00:02:10.100 but it's actually closer to 40 at least for first-time marriages but in the spirit of good

00:02:14.900 faith i'm also going to kind of concede that that's pretty damn high so another point of concession

00:02:20.340 there the rub comes in when we start to dive into these numbers as does it say lord jake they're

00:02:26.480 actually very deceptive let me give you an example of why we have to be cautious on this

00:02:31.100 an off-sided reference by the manosphere is that while it's true men are most of the workplace

00:02:37.500 fatalities which happen in the usa especially the total uh you know these fatalities are quite low

00:02:44.380 you'll hear feminists talk about this as well that's kind of an overlap that they have at least 1.00

00:02:49.740 in totality but the reason why this is important is because when we break down the fields in which

00:02:55.580 men are actually dying the majority of them are in construction logging and fishing so if you

00:03:02.140 wanted to mitigate risk when it came to work for instance you would probably tell men not to avoid

00:03:08.780 working in jobs which are physically perilous but to avoid working in specific jobs which are

00:03:14.540 very perilous because those are where you're going to incur the most amount of risk of death

00:03:18.460 Yeah, but it's a little bit different because like, I don't think it's a good analogy because

00:03:24.220 some men like that adventure and they kind of like the risk of death, you know, and the upside is

00:03:30.240 they get like the respect at their job, you know, because men care about being respected. And if you

00:03:35.760 do a super dangerous job, it's not really like the fear of death. I don't really think most men

00:03:42.360 feared death what is worse than death is another man banging your wife and raising your kid while 0.54

00:03:49.700 you're in a different house i think that was like worse so i don't really i mean you guys can tell

00:03:56.620 me i just like i don't know the guys that do the super dangerous jobs that i've spoken to even

00:04:02.740 like crab fishing they don't seem like resentful that they do these dangerous jobs if anything

00:04:07.780 they kind of they get paid they get compensated for it but it's the someone else is banging my

00:04:14.740 wife and raising my kids i think that is almost like worse you know yeah and you pay them to

00:04:21.860 exist while you're broken start i don't really think that's the same so which means i don't like

00:04:27.620 debate i don't like debates power slicks i'm not that good at them but i just think differently

00:04:33.060 like it's always like whoever talks fast and uses these like they'll compare things that i just

00:04:38.740 don't that you're really it's just so much better to talk to boots on the ground it's why i always

00:04:44.180 i always talk to service workers always always always always and i ask i ask them like questions

00:04:49.940 and you just get way more information than some guy reading a study in order to avoid these risks

00:04:54.180 in the workplace and serious injury these fields are likely best avoided and that's how you would

00:04:58.740 do risk mitigation in marriage it's no different there are high risk groups and there's low risk

00:05:03.220 groups the amish for instance have an almost zero divorce rate you heard that right yeah but okay 1.00

00:05:09.220 that doesn't really okay what percent of women are amish in america like that's what they do in 1.00

00:05:17.700 these debates it's like that's not really a good argument okay there's 400 000 amish oh total 0.99

00:05:26.100 total 345 million in the u.s so it's 0.12 of the population according to grok and plus i've seen

00:05:37.400 shows where hold on like i've seen shows from ex-amish and a lot of times the women do the same 1.00

00:05:43.260 thing like here this girl is the ends and i come from the strictest form of amish community and

00:05:51.040 a day okay yeah she's got fake hair bow tie did you see what i'm saying it's like i want to share 0.99

00:05:56.560 with you she's overweight you know this girl is literally from an amish community you know

00:06:02.160 okay let me go back right zero you can source this from amish studies at elizabeth town college with

00:06:08.240 researchers confirming this men and knights are about one percent mormons 18 same with catholics

00:06:13.840 orthodox christians even less than that 11 to 12 percent muslims very low as well atheists have

00:06:20.480 surprisingly have an only an 11 chance but that's because they basically avoid marriage and get

00:06:25.360 married very late in life christians in name only are what are considered nominal christians

00:06:30.320 yeah and so but what they always do is they say like these people aren't real christians

00:06:35.920 and i i don't really like that argument because it's always just conveniently whatever the

00:06:41.920 podcaster just happens to be doing right now they didn't have to do it for a lifetime

00:06:46.880 it's just like okay i'm currently going to church or i'm currently doing this it's like uh okay

00:06:55.360 like what does i don't know even like when they say oh you have to go to church it's like okay

00:07:01.840 well my dad has lived a better like more religious life than 99 of christians but he's not he like

00:07:10.480 because he doesn't go to church i don't know all right let me keep going these are people

00:07:15.520 who don't go to church they don't really do much in the way of religious practices

00:07:19.200 actually have a much higher but okay they don't like is it it i don't know it just sounds elitist

00:07:24.960 to me like okay you realize they're shift workers that just don't go like they're busy you know all

00:07:31.760 right let me like okay yeah it's easy for us to go to church we have the time you know what i mean

00:07:36.400 like we're influencers we're like you know and it's always like convenient because everyone

00:07:42.080 becomes religious when they become an influencer it's like yeah it's it's easy to when you have

00:07:46.880 the time you know i don't know percentage rate of getting divorced because of the self-id and

00:07:52.960 there basically isn't anything to distinguish them from secularists or agnostics and that's

00:07:57.600 why those numbers are so high when broken down by group it gets even more low the more religious

00:08:03.200 you are and if you add a prenup to it the risk becomes almost non-existent for most people

00:08:08.740 Suddenly, the spread of divorce seems actually quite low, depending on the group you're a part of.

00:08:13.380 While I would suppose you wouldn't want to be part of the 17 or 18 percent in these groups,

00:08:18.760 telling men that they have an 80 or 90 percent chance that their marriage will work out shifts the picture entirely.

00:08:24.380 The breakdown is suddenly far less daunting, and the risk is now much more manageable as far as these categories go.

00:08:31.340 This nuance is often missed in this conversation, but it should be highlighted.

00:08:34.980 Marriage isn't very risky for people in these groups.

00:08:37.300 it's risky for people who are in the secular groups because those groups map on to the

00:08:43.920 national average almost identically about yeah and so commentators like using studies because

00:08:48.700 it gives them more power so like if he says oh my study which a lot of times i've turned to

00:08:55.660 remember i made a video on why the stats he's gonna quote are wrong um i have to go back but

00:09:02.080 they always just find a way they like do the smallest population like for example they'll say

00:09:08.720 oh people that go to church every like couples that go to church every day well if she decides

00:09:13.100 she doesn't want to go to church every day now you're not included in that statistic you can't

00:09:17.680 force someone to do things right but commentators they like using studies and it maybe it's a

00:09:23.280 necessary evil but it's because it gives them more power like i know i i have cousins that are from

00:09:31.180 the super religious communities and uh one of them ended up in a throuple one literally ended 0.66

00:09:38.140 up in a throuple from a latin mass catholic community so it's like okay you want me to

00:09:44.000 believe your study now i'm not supposed to believe my eyes like i grew up i actually it actually i

00:09:50.220 find it more insulting when it's catholicism because i'm i'll think you think i don't know

00:09:55.440 catholic women really i went to catholic school and they're like oh it's not real catholic

00:10:00.320 unless it's latin mass and i'm like wide cousins that went to latin mass and you're gonna tell me 0.97

00:10:05.720 that you know more fuck it like not obviously all respect to andrew as i said at the beginning 0.91

00:10:11.660 i just disagree right i i i don't think like i'm not gonna let a commentator tell me that they know 0.99

00:10:20.060 better catholic people they don't you know 39 to 41 give you an example of this again can you

00:10:27.440 remind me what it was i don't remember why why are these stats misleading i know we went through

00:10:33.200 the catholic stats i don't remember why it was so long ago five to ten percent of people who ever

00:10:39.100 drink alcohol will become alcoholics that could be argued to be very very very high risk i suppose

00:10:45.540 but most men look at the risk factor and consider the trade-off acceptable and reasonably low

00:10:49.940 for what they get out of the behavior of socially drinking so as to the question is marriage worth

00:10:56.080 it in the west specifically here in the united states which what we're talking about for many

00:11:00.440 men yes and for many men no specifically secular men it seems to be a big fat no their risk is on

00:11:07.860 par with the national average like i said and this leads to cohabitation likelihoods which become much

00:11:13.100 higher which leads to high risk for abuse for their children along with other negative outcomes

00:11:17.900 for their family dynamics and those are the actual facts of the matter right but abuse comes from

00:11:22.160 stepfathers i'm pro surrogacy you are saving your daughters from a stepfather right you you you don't 0.72

00:11:31.600 do surrogacy because you want love boohoo that's not in the cards 2026 go buy your baby fellas 0.99

00:11:38.880 now perhaps my opponent and i unless you're gay unless you're gay you don't you guys we're good 0.97

00:11:45.040 you guys just end your genetic lineage now agree these are facts but he still feels the trade-offs 0.60

00:11:50.080 aren't worth it we can dive into that but i always view everything as a trade-off everything

00:11:55.200 politically is a trade-off it's always risk versus reward somebody's always going to get the shaft

00:12:00.480 so with that that's my opening statement and i would like to dive into these issues when my

00:12:05.600 opponent's ready after his all right rich you can have uh six minutes or so take as much or as

00:12:10.640 little as you'd like yeah i won't need it um no marriage is not worthwhile for a western man

00:12:16.720 living in the west thank you for attending my ted talk let's get started boys okay so when when you

00:12:23.760 say that marriage isn't worth it for men in the west are you how are you how are you uh viewing

00:12:28.560 that are you viewing that through risk assessment okay um girl pearl girls girls are going to see

00:12:36.560 worthering heights and loving it it's a film about a man marrying a woman giving her everything and

00:12:40.640 cheating on him girls wish the adulterous relationships had a happy ending that's true 1.00

00:12:46.880 that's true women always want to be with the side dude you're just doing like a basic risk 1.00

00:12:50.480 assessment for men in general yeah broadly speaking i would say it's a risk assessment

00:12:54.080 when you take a look at the landscape and that's the thing a lot of times they're trying to sell

00:12:58.160 you their religion so they want you to convert and that's like a full form of um like controlling in

00:13:05.440 away they want you to be a part of their congregation so because they believe either

00:13:11.520 for money or because they believe you're going to hell if you don't um so they're not i don't

00:13:16.400 know it's not really always the most honest i know that you because people have their egos invested

00:13:21.760 right it's very hard like when you believe in something to say okay well yeah my religion 0.99

00:13:26.960 isn't going to save me from this bitch. 1.00

00:13:28.820 You know? 1.00

Pearl - February 23, 2026

Andrew Wilson Defends The Tradcons and Takes an L

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