01:16:47.120But until I actually said, you know what, Donovan, you have a problem and it needs to
01:16:51.500be addressed, I would not have gotten to where I am now.
01:16:55.200But it appears that most black people, when you actually speak facts about black people, all they do is talk about, well, what about white fatigue?
01:17:12.040The bottom line here, the bottom line here is this.
01:17:14.480Black people need to be a little bit more self-aware and we need to start admitting, yeah, you know what?
01:17:18.120The black community is absolutely fucked up right now.
01:17:20.86075% of mothers in the black community, they're baby mamas.
01:17:24.580That's a problem. Three out of four black women aren't married and will never be married. That's a problem. The average black woman in this country is 187 pounds. That's a problem. I was a violent, emotional asshole. That was the problem. I don't run from my problems, but the black community appears to say, okay, everyone is pointing out what we're doing wrong, but instead of looking inward and saying, okay, guys, we need to change these things.
01:17:48.940well what about white people well what about them well what about the school shooters okay
01:17:53.900school shooters are hold on i want to give school shooters by the white community but criminals are
01:17:59.660glorified by the black community because i have a whole bunch of questions so smoothly go ahead
01:18:04.540yeah so i mean in this in whatever you just said you like verbatim said most black people engage
01:18:11.740in this behavior while you earlier differentiated the fact that you don't even believe the majority
01:18:16.460of black people engaging these behaviors so at the very least you talked about like oh people
01:18:21.020operating within their feelings when they feel defensive and talking about topics like this
01:18:25.660um if we're not going to operate off of feelings we would have to operate off of data
01:18:30.220um if you want me to grant for instance that this is the reality just to engage with the conversation
01:18:35.180i think it's important to make that clear instead of just like saying yeah i do leading questions
01:18:40.460that's just what's going to have to be the reality so i can grant that but you said earlier that this
01:18:45.580was most people and then you said before then that it wasn't most black people do you remember
01:18:50.540saying that what i said and what i said was two more minutes because i have a bunch of more
01:18:56.060questions oh we can move on this isn't even like i didn't um can we hear from athena yeah go ahead
01:19:03.500if you go ahead you know oh i'm sorry um so i think i was just listening to y'all go back and
01:19:10.940forth um and and also messaging people but i i think that if we look at maybe the reason why
01:19:17.980um a lot of people are experiencing black people not taking accountability for these types of
01:19:23.900things we could look at the um the statistics on black men not being in the homes um and we could
01:19:31.660dive into the reason for that but men are the ones who are teaching accountability so if you don't
01:19:38.940have a man in your home teaching you accountability it's hard for you to understand that and and
01:19:46.940society has become so weak everyone um wants their feelings spared for everything everything's about
01:19:54.380a safe space the other day i was on a panel and the guy was like oh we should have areas where
01:20:00.060you have no um what a belief free zone i think is what he said where you can't talk about any
01:20:08.300of your beliefs and i was like are we that far gone as a society that we can't even have these
01:20:13.660discussions especially in person people crash out online but try to have this conversation
01:20:19.420in person and see how it goes it's not going to end well um so i think it's be i actually do think
01:20:28.060it's most black people when you talk about black crime i would say the majority do say what about
01:20:34.140the white people it's just my experience um and the reason why is i think a lot of black people
01:20:40.440are racist so yep against white people i think black people are more racist than white people
01:20:45.460my experience i agree i agree too but that's going to lead to the next would i respond to that
01:20:50.620go ahead okay go ahead because i would certainly say it's not the majority of black people in a
01:20:55.540response to what donovan had said about he used to be a nigger uh i never was a nigger um i grew
01:21:02.300with my mother and my father and i have degrees and a terminal degree never was incarcerated
01:21:08.940um i have a license to carry in 35 states um because i chose to do things a certain way
01:21:14.300um and when someone brings up you know black on black crime to me i don't need to
01:21:19.660you know respond with um bringing up white people asian people any other demographic because i know
01:21:25.500the facts what i would ask someone to do when they bring it up is also bring up who's the most
01:21:29.900exonerated people and then when you do things like that it is it sort of gives you you know
01:21:34.940a fair balance so i don't need to bring anyone up i also ask people how is data collected on crimes
01:21:39.820does anyone on this panel know how to collect the data for crime reports
01:21:42.940let me ask you something do you not believe the statistics because and see here's the thing i
01:21:47.900don't are you gonna be putting each other off or not just i've heard the third are we gonna be
01:21:52.540cutting each other off or not god i've been going yeah yeah we can we can i didn't land my plane
01:21:58.860okay okay dr william go ahead go ahead yeah so um as far as the the the crimes and uh i'll i forget
01:22:07.660where i was at so just to go with what he said believe in the statistics um i'm a researcher
01:22:12.940i do my research i don't just believe statistics on face value you have to dive into statistics
01:22:17.900and you have to look for threats to validity. So I did that. And that's what I'm saying. I know how
01:22:22.780the data is collected. So I see threats to validity there. It's not something that you
01:22:26.460can just take because it doesn't come from, it's not just based off of, it's based off really just
01:22:33.980based off of arrests. And it's not based off convictions. And then you have to look at how
01:22:38.140the data is collected. So you have to look, it comes from the uniform crime report. And the
01:22:42.540uniform crime report comes from reports and it's not from every police station it's those who
01:22:48.860submit it so it could be flawed data and yeah i mean that's why i always say that i agree with
01:22:54.060you i i think there is flaws in data but to be honest my first line of how i believe things is
01:22:59.980with my eyes yeah and i just you know if i go outside i see more black people that are criminals
01:23:06.140yeah data is fake often enough that i'm sorry did i cut you off go ahead yeah sorry sorry
01:23:12.540data is fake often enough that if it conflicts with my understanding of the world i just go with
01:23:17.020my understanding of the world especially if it's something that everyone around me agrees with
01:23:21.260how do you debate and identify truth with that being the case it's it's extremely extremely
01:23:27.100difficult so yeah like how would i debate a pearl in like for instance well i don't
01:23:31.340don't i don't i don't debate this is i just don't debate because people love to point to sources
01:23:37.940and then you have to question the sources and it's like i don't have time to read this like 350 page
01:23:42.740document in the middle of the i haven't heard of it before you know most people don't yeah and i
01:23:47.620mean research yeah well i guess right you can you can do research if you have that like i don't have
01:23:55.320any time to do that personally i have i'm very busy with others when you grow up you won't have
01:23:58.780time to do it either. You're on a panel right now. This is for fun. Pearl's the only one getting
01:24:03.200paid for this. What do you mean you don't have time? Do you want to discuss my schedule?
01:24:08.580I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So I'm not that much of a researcher and I'm not that much of a
01:24:15.460debater. I know how to do these things, but I don't engage in the whole, what are your sources
01:24:21.220form of debate? Because there's a video I did a short version of a long time ago about a study
01:24:28.760called what was it um it was called the myth of man the hunter myth of man the hunter and the way
01:24:38.580that this uh piece of science uh starts out is by saying that it is a myth that men did the hunting
01:24:45.840and women actually did it too if you actually read this thing it it describes that they had to
01:24:52.620go to like dozens and dozens of hunter gatherer communities, and they asked them to tell stories
01:24:59.360and the stories only a small percentage of them included women hunting ever. So they didn't
01:25:04.380observe any women hunting. They only observed stories about women hunting, and it was only
01:25:09.040like hunting squirrels. So what they presented it as was women are equal hunters to men. But when
01:25:15.360you read their own data, it really confirms what we have already believed about it. It's the best
01:25:20.260example of the disconnect between how scientific papers are used to you know to spread ideas and
01:25:28.440what the truth actually is so when we get into this whole thing about we're talking about
01:25:33.720data i think that we got into data when you were asking how do we even know that people bring up
01:25:41.620white people when you say well let's talk about the black community and then people bring up the
01:25:44.720white one if i understood you correctly your question was how do we know people even do that
01:25:48.720that right um no it wasn't or are you asking i also well i also wanted to say i think you're
01:25:55.440kind of easily manipulated if anybody can shove data in your face and you're just gonna burn it
01:26:00.640yeah is that do you believe that that's the case for me i'm not sure i don't i don't really know
01:26:06.400you okay no like no no yeah i agree hold on hold on here's the thing i just want to point out i'm
01:26:11.040still having a question all the two of you dr james and uh smooth uh i don't want to get your
01:26:17.920name we're on smoothie queen all the two of you have done which is fine is talk about the question
01:26:23.200we're sitting here talking about the conversation and the acquisition of data and this and that and
01:26:27.920the third let's let's let's have the conversation instead of talking about it the prison system like
01:26:33.600like i don't need the statistics to tell me that most people in prison are black i don't need
01:26:37.920statistics to tell me that you know black people commit uh a disproportionate number of violent
01:26:43.760crimes is it most i don't know but i think i i think that most of us have been and listen you
01:26:48.960can like we can do the passive aggressive and this and that in the third at the end of the day
01:26:56.080i understand at the end of the day let's have the conversation all we're doing all we're doing is
01:27:00.480talking about okay well let's talk about data acquisition i don't even remember what honestly
01:27:04.720i don't even remember what the question was the majority of black people excuse me the majority
01:27:09.520people in prison are black do you actually believe that um sorry that was black people
01:27:16.880commit a disproportionate question was do you believe the majority of people in prison are black
01:27:22.080yes why well that's crazy because like like i really want to understand why you believe that
01:27:29.840well because the data the statistics all say so and have you there's no data that says the majority
01:27:34.400you said that you weren't using that you said without data look look look just just just just
01:27:40.080hear me out here okay i've been arrested and i'm not proud to say this okay i've been arrested over
01:27:45.76030 times he's like i've been there yeah i know this is but but every time i'm locked up and i've
01:27:52.000been and i'm not done every time i'm just listen i'm just taking a real every time
01:27:58.080I'll just end it on this. Honestly, Dr. James and Smoothie Queen, I'll be honest with you. I'm not
01:28:09.040as smart as either one of you. I'm just a guy who sounds a lot smarter than he is. I got lucky
01:28:15.220and I made a good living on YouTube. Now I can pretty much do what I want. I'm one of the lucky
01:28:22.180few. All I'm saying is let's talk about, let's have the conversation instead of talking about
01:28:27.000because anytime we dive in and try to manipulate the question to make ourselves look right at the
01:28:32.040end of the day do the two of you in the middle believe that black people that there is a problem
01:28:37.000with black people committing violent crimes yes or no so that wasn't it here we go are we talking
01:28:42.360about the question okay that's okay i'm gonna give a i'm gonna give a new question he said i didn't
01:28:47.160answer the first question and i answered it okay i understand okay we've been on this question for
01:28:52.280far too long so i'm going to ask a new question i want to start with oh oh quickly can i just point
01:28:57.960out that black people make up 33 of the prison population the united states of america i guess
01:29:02.840i was wrong it's happened before wait why would you say that you're wrong okay okay okay hold on
01:29:08.200are you seriously so you're gonna say how do you know you're right and how like okay we're gonna
01:29:14.200move on to the next question i don't even on this far too long okay crazy where did she go
01:29:19.320Jesus Christ, man. Let's have the conversation.
01:46:54.180i just want to play something uh let's see in chicago oh god here we go chicago yeah
01:47:01.300No, no, no, because, you know, you could say, oh, black people are arrested.
01:47:05.900There's literally a guy in Chicago that's punching women in the face.
01:47:09.240I think he finally got arrested, but he literally punched, like, five women in the face.
01:47:13.640Serial puncher with a history of unprovoked attacks downtown faces new charges now.
01:47:18.660William Livingston is accused of attacking two more women in June.
01:47:23.080Courtney Spinelli is near the Cook County Jail, where he is being held tonight.
01:47:26.40032 year old William Livingston is no stranger to the Cook County Jail. In fact, he was already behind bars in an alleged attack on Kathleen Miles of Lake Villa when he was arrested again yesterday on new charges. All I can think of is it takes so much anger to hit somebody with so much force. This summer, Miles became the latest victim of an attack allegedly at the hands of Livingston.
01:47:51.720this area this was like not in a bad area like he just was walking around and they would have
01:47:58.560him on tiktok like i knew girls filming him and he's like walking they're like that's i've seen
01:48:03.000that so many times and it's like it's like you know you could say oh black people are so oppressed
01:48:07.900but and this isn't just one example the the guy who um stabbed the girl on the train had also
01:48:14.200been arrested and they let him out yeah so you saw that you know and even then i go to my personal
01:48:19.500life and i'm like well white i've had so many white people around my equipment a black person
01:48:24.140stole something yeah it's like i i do these panels all the time the yeah i want to pose a question
01:48:32.940to everyone um and and i'm not saying because i i don't think i've done enough research on this but
01:48:38.780you said that um black people are essentially they get more time so i would have to do a lot
01:48:47.900lot of research to figure out why, but do you think maybe if fathers aren't in the home and
01:48:54.180there are people who lack accountability, that judges can also see that and get really upset
01:48:59.340that someone has an attitude and they're angry, they're unapologetic, and they're lacking any
01:49:06.360sort of accountability. Do you think that could possibly be it? That's part of it. Not all of it.
01:49:11.540I understand there are racist judges. There's racist people everywhere. I'm just asking,
01:49:15.740i'm giving a little bit of pushback to see your thoughts on that judges are people too
01:49:19.900emotional just like everybody else if you're asking me um if for it to be for a whole state
01:49:26.540which the data was for florida that's kind of ridiculous and then with the same cases of a
01:49:32.14019 year old and a 21 year old with the same point scale and two years in comparison to 26
01:49:38.700that's a very wide margin in sentencing based on someone not showing remorse or whatever it is
01:49:45.340and it wasn't even, you know, armed robbery. It wasn't even a violent crime where, you know,
01:49:52.220when we're talking about like showing remorse or something like that, and they were young.
01:49:57.020So like, if we just go with what I said, that doesn't even, judges have to be professional
01:50:03.660and show discretion. So even if, you know, this person's not showing remorse, if it's a homicide
01:50:11.260and they're not showing remorse i understand but if it's uh you stole something from pizza hut or
01:50:17.960you went joyriding or certain things and the sentencing is always more harsh on the black
01:50:24.140person than the white person that's crazy that's systemic racism i agree how do you
01:50:30.240but what always tends to happen is like black people will come out with a stat that's saying
01:50:37.540they're oppressed or like that a bad thing happened like or like you know with like blm like
01:50:42.780they said oh this is racism and then it just always turns out to not be racism like there
01:50:47.280always just seems to be a catch and you could shake your hat i'm just saying it's lived experience
01:50:51.600i just want to say i'm against bill i was not yeah no no but i'm saying like i'm saying like
01:50:57.360this is why you're going to have a hard time getting white people to really give the term
01:51:01.560be anymore because it's like the term systemic just generally we've just been like we've just
01:51:07.640been duped we've just been duped too many times where it's like this is the problem there's always
01:51:13.000a catch we're gonna do whole math and then tom food i want you to introduce yourself and we're
01:51:18.280going to ask you the question and then we're going to move on to the next one whole math go ahead
01:51:22.920i kind of lost my place in the in the chatter it was something about how do you how do you identify
01:51:28.440every single contributing factor to the result of disparate sentencing like it this is this is
01:51:36.020again another thing that it would take me like weeks of studying to understand and we're expecting
01:51:41.000uh uh everybody to make a judgment on that in 10 seconds while we hear it on a on a podcast
01:51:47.140okay um it it's just it's it's it's very difficult to reconcile this idea of
01:51:54.480like black people get heavier sentencing than white people for the same crime but what are
01:51:59.240all of the factors you know how to how is that possible to identify i think i look i agree with
01:52:05.480dr james in that judges shouldn't let the extenuating circumstances of non-violent crimes
01:52:14.500you know factor into their sentencing but again judges are people too just because they should
01:52:20.220doesn't mean they do we say all the time women should reward men for being loyal and supportive
01:52:25.600but a lot of a disproportionate number of women don't this is the reason why we talk this is the
01:52:30.500reason we talk about these but the bottom line is i'm just going to go with what homath said
01:52:35.280here's the bottom line black fatigue is white people and other people saying it's cold outside
01:52:41.360and then we have black people coming out here saying exactly what homath said wait a minute
01:52:45.520statistics and studies and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Stop being cold and get warm.
01:52:51.880Black fatigue didn't just come out of nowhere. And it just appears that a disproportionate number
01:52:56.980of black people are just making excuses. And one last thing, I agree with Dr. James. Yes,
01:53:02.040black people get sentenced to longer and harsher sentences. I'm going to repeat this again.
01:53:06.900Don't commit crimes. If you don't, let me make a sports reference. A lot of people say, well,
01:53:10.720this team got screwed over because of that one call and that may be true but if you played if
01:53:16.500you played the game to the best of your ability you don't want to put it in the referee's hands
01:53:20.460you want to take care of your business through the whole game that way if there is a questionable
01:53:24.360call you'll have a big enough lead to absorb the bad call well if you know that black people are
01:53:29.620getting harsher sentences for the same crimes how about we not commit those crimes okay okay
01:53:34.900tom foolery introduce yourself real fast and the i'll give you two minutes because i want to move
01:53:40.420on to the next question. Is it wrong for white people to have black fatigue? Introduce yourself
01:53:46.320and then answer the question in two minutes because I want to move on to the next question.
01:53:50.640Okay, cool. Yeah. Thanks for having me. My name's Tom. I go by Tom Fullery Show,
01:53:54.460stream on YouTube, do politics and debates. I think that the term black fatigue is kind of
01:54:01.160a little bit too broad. I think the term kind of encapsulates all black people in a way that I
01:54:07.320think is kind of unfair especially when we're bringing up things like crime statistics when
01:54:11.540sorry it's naked fatigue that's what it is go ahead go ahead tom well so yeah it's a minority
01:54:18.600of the black community it's uh you know about 16 go to jail at some point and it is brought up that
01:54:24.380like they uh even black people who do go to jail they tend to get sentenced they're more likely to
01:54:29.580be sentenced more likely to go to prison more likely to have longer sentences more likely to
01:54:34.240have their crimes upgraded. White people are more likely to have their crimes downgraded. And this
01:54:38.520is for the same amount of priors with the same circumstances, just as likely that if you have a
01:54:43.700paid lawyer versus a court-appointed lawyer. There's a study by the USCC that has all of
01:54:50.640the circumstances surrounding their cases showing by different grids, which ones were more likely
01:54:56.100or less likely, and that Black people were always going to get 9% more time, almost every single
01:55:02.700time for uh for all cases and then there's more studies on federal cases as well that show that
01:55:08.620some similar circumstances black men tend to get longer circumstances or sorry longer periods of
01:55:14.540time okay and sweetie queen just asked for for two minutes to answer the question so i won't
01:55:21.900need two minutes don't worry about that but there's two things that i at least do want to kind of
01:55:25.660emphasize um at least answering the question right is it right or wrong for white people to have black
01:55:31.260fatigue i just want to emphasize really fast that black fatigue like that the way that's
01:55:36.300what's being discussed like quote clearly at least is not where the term came from it was coined by
01:55:40.860a specific person it was coined by a black woman actually who was discussing the impacts the social
01:55:45.980the um physiological and physical impacts of um races living within a racist society so the
01:55:52.300studies like done from um done by this by west virginia um when they were trying to reach entirely
01:55:58.460irrelevant oh i'm sorry so the reason why it's not is because like just i think it was actually i'm
01:56:04.060not sure if it was tom or sharp but like they talked about like where the term came from and
01:56:08.620what it actually means what does it matter where the term came from we're talking about how people
01:56:17.100you're derailing the question we're talking about the entire panel tonight is about how people feel
01:56:22.700okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay wait guys answer the question i'm i'm trying to but
01:56:29.580like i'm not actually um this is what's wrong with you we can move on to the next question
01:56:34.460we're fine okay okay next question next question incredible so so looking at the panel
01:56:41.500looking at the beginning of the show the biggest thing that that set the panel off and this is
01:56:47.660a relationship channel so i'll talk about intersexual dynamics between men and women
01:56:52.780so i'm gonna ask this question okay why do so many black women have herpes and how do women with
01:57:03.020such a high no no how are men supposed to navigate in sexual relationships and dating with a group of
01:57:08.860women that have a 50 herpes rate which is an incurable std you need snow bunnies oh
01:57:19.500who wants to go first i think so go ahead sorry okay i'll go first i'll go first how about that
01:57:30.540guys you know i always say i i say on my channel american black women are the
01:57:37.020are the worst women on the planet straight up not all but maybe 80 you know like guys you
01:57:43.580have to be careful out there you you really do no men on the planet have worse women to choose from
01:57:49.180and and there are factors why and this is one of the biggest reasons why the sexual irresponsibility
01:57:55.660guys you ha um you have to be careful and you have to stay safe protect yourself at all times
01:58:03.180protection and if it doesn't seem right especially nowadays and a lot of majority black areas a lot
01:58:11.100of black women will get insulted if you whip out a condom they'll say what you think i'm dirty
01:58:17.340say yes put on a condom if you choose to deal with them waiting out you can still get healthy
01:58:23.980yeah so those just just could i respond or yeah i mean two things right like if we're going to
01:58:33.660mention studies it's like eyes we either like do or don't right because like the 50 that was for
01:58:40.460that was between like 2005 and 2008 and like the cdc shows now at least that like black woman makeup
01:58:46.780i'm excuse me about 38 34 34.6 of black women in america have herpes but moreover
01:58:53.740i like this is like less than like the global like you know like 70 67 of like all like
01:58:59.340around america we don't live around the world like do you know so do we know why i said that
01:59:05.820or are we just trying to respond to response yes there it is i'm just gonna kick you because i
02:00:07.980is she showing her body on instagram the chances are she's gonna have a higher likely of having an
02:00:12.560std than not somebody in the chat obviously said well white girls have stds too yeah not nearly as
02:00:18.180much of a rate as black women we all dude i swear to god dude black women i think sometimes it's
02:00:23.360almost like they're born pregnant it's it's almost like they're born but like the promise the
02:00:27.460promiscuity the promiscuity in the so-called black community it's absolutely ridiculous and this is
02:00:32.460why 75 percent of black women are baby mamas dude listen man at the end of the at the end of the day
02:00:38.000we can sit here and deny and obfuscate and try to muddy the waters but just like pearl and home
02:00:43.160math says we see what we see and we can sit here and we can talk about the internet like it's this
02:00:47.520magical land of make-believe no the internet is a glimpse of what's happening in real life
02:00:52.500okay um go ahead i was hoping to hear more from dr william james
02:00:59.120you're sure i'm just very disciplined and i wait my turn yeah no you've been great so i was just
02:01:08.460curious um maybe it's kind of going back to something that i said before we were talking
02:01:14.780about because you keep bringing up facts data and statistics but i think most of the fatigue
02:01:20.960really comes with like interactions with black people yeah like i don't think it's like people
02:01:26.320watching the news it's like like for me i got fatigued i said where black people treated me
02:01:32.100a certain way and i was very nice to them yeah pearl so no i'm serious i'm like no i'm i doubled
02:01:41.240this guy's subscribers just for him to like crash out oh yeah yeah i'm not sure what what instances
02:01:47.980you're talking about i'm sure of it just for her story i recognize the behavior who are you
02:01:53.500referring to you double their subscribers and they did that to you yeah he was my co i thought
02:01:58.800we were friends like i literally i was i no no no we're not gonna name him but just because i
02:02:07.200refuse to speak his name no dr james was trying to do it i really want to i really want to finish
02:02:14.360um no i mean it was just like we were friends and then one day he just decided to make a hit piece
02:02:20.040and he accused me of like trying to get footage of black people and like hold it over their heads i
02:02:24.360never did that and it was kind of crazy because he had like footage of me at like like like at one of
02:02:31.240i don't know like behind the scenes that he like put in the video and he had he put like people
02:02:36.120that were behind the scenes on camera that weren't even like public figure like it was just it was
02:02:40.520just a full-on crash out that happened twice um another girl another person that worked for me
02:02:46.680stole from me and i was a black person like and these are three different people all they weren't
02:02:52.760even they weren't even from the same country american black british black and so you know
02:02:59.400it's it's you know obviously um i i know it's not all and i i think as adults we can like figure out
02:03:07.560that that's not everyone but yeah i just don't really understand how you don't know what we're
02:03:12.040talking about well if you play the instagram i sent you pearl it sums up exactly what you're
02:03:16.600saying so um in response to that um that's like you said that's that's not the data facts and
02:03:24.440stats and i don't know if i think everyone has noticed i like to deal with the data facts and
02:03:28.280statistics and you know uh i've seen your podcast you know with response to talking about women
02:03:35.160and you focus on the data facts and statistics um with anecdotal you know evidence and anecdotal
02:03:41.560experiences i'm sure we can all pick out people from opposite races who have done things negatively
02:03:48.040to us i know i sure could if i wanted to but i'm not going to pick out anecdotal evidence
02:03:53.160and say i have these three white people that did this these three asian people that did this
02:03:57.960oh i'm fatigued with that racial category so um that's where it's more than three i would
02:04:04.840actually say it's way more than three oh my god it's so much more oh my god it's more than three
02:04:10.040I mean, I don't know how many you can name, but if I wanted to and sit down in my years of life, I'm 36 years old now, I could come up with a lot for pretty much every racial category.
02:04:32.880Well, Pearl had said something very interesting not too long ago where she said when she mentioned BLM, she said, you know, we've been duped so many times that, you know, it's hard to believe, you know, some of the data and stuff like that about black oppression.
02:04:49.660And it's the same thing from the black perspective with we've been duped so many times in terms of, you know, our actual oppression or what's going to benefit us.
02:05:00.280Well, an example could be, you know, the Tuskegee experiment. We've been duped so many times that when you tell us something's going to benefit us or something's better for us or the black community is so bad, we have to wonder, is this some form of an agenda? However, yes, there are several problems we need to fix in the black community.
02:05:19.680was from 1932 gang banging gang banging drugs uh these negative uh agendas that they push with the
02:05:28.640rap music all of that needs to be fixed and i'm a person who i want to fix it and i promote fixing it
02:05:35.760um but i'm also aware that actual systemic things have taken place and i'm and i want to you know
02:05:43.280alert people to that it's not over with it's still taking place so like even with the tuskegee
02:05:48.160experiment that pearl said you know it was 1932 that's that went on for 40 years and those men
02:05:58.240but the last person from that study didn't die until like 2014. but it wasn't you
02:06:02.960like we're talking about like what you've experienced yeah no we haven't
02:06:09.280experienced with racism we want to talk about that dude you're a daughter
02:06:12.080I want to say a question. Athena, how do you men navigate dating and mating with a group
02:06:23.000of women where 50% of them have an incurable STD? That is a good question. I think it's
02:06:31.640really bad amongst all women. I think it was you, Pearl, you said like one out of three
02:06:37.980women have had an std um and that's pretty horrifying um and 50 is that's that's i i'm
02:06:48.460kind of at a loss for words actually it was um the last panel that i i heard that stat
02:06:54.540that was the first time i heard that that's um i don't have much to say on it because i i don't
02:07:01.180know how to navigate that outside of just getting tested um not even having casual i don't advocate
02:07:08.940for anyone to have casual sex i think that people should um if they're going to have sex be in
02:07:15.500committed relationships get tested um do those things i know it's probably not the most romantic
02:07:22.540but it's the safest thing that you can do right okay and tomfoolery what do you have
02:07:27.980I would have been navigating a dating market where 50% of the women of the group have an
02:07:36.140incurable STD. It's kind of hard to consider. There do seem to be a lot of factors. One,
02:07:45.500the fact that black men are more likely to mate with black women. That's who they live around.
02:07:50.540That's who it is in their community. And so they're more likely to engage with one another. And so
02:07:55.120when a virus is spreading within a group it is more likely to be more prevalent within that group
02:08:03.240and uh there are studies that say that like black women happen to be more uh susceptible to uh herpes
02:08:11.020as well and so i don't know okay so that's how we got here but like what's the solution i don't yeah
02:08:16.400i don't know how how you can get like what what do you think the solution is just not avoid them
02:08:20.960with black women anymore or yeah yes i did want to address like a because a number of people keep
02:08:28.640saying like this is more about like our feelings than it is anything else but i would hope that
02:08:33.200like we as you know logical thinkers as sapiens would want our feelings to align with reality
02:08:41.760and that if we find out that we have like a bunch of anecdotal experiences where every time i engage
02:08:46.960with a christian they're rude they're mean they're very judgmental they talk down to me that you know
02:08:52.080if all over time i start to feel as though christians are all a bunch of pieces of
02:08:56.880but then i realize that like you know data says they're like you know i don't know most christians
02:09:01.120are very nice and most people have good experiences with christians i've just had like my own odd
02:09:06.000anecdotal experiences i would want to look at that data and compare that but i think oh math you've
02:09:11.840said a number of times they're like this is just a conversation about feelings and that we can't
02:09:16.000say that our feelings are invalid but if your feelings don't align with reality then aren't
02:09:20.960they invalid well it's that's a very complicated question it's what's been happening for hundreds
02:09:26.800of years ever since black people were you know brought from africa to america is white people
02:09:31.120have been moving away from like every time about 20 of a neighborhood becomes black the white
02:09:36.640people all move out black people move into white areas and white people move away this is extremely
02:09:41.760consistent there's no there's never been any trend of black people saying like oh white people are
02:09:46.460moving in oh this sucks let's get out of here it's the other yeah the other way around is what
02:09:52.940happens all the time so there's one group that's trying to trying to be separate and one group
02:09:57.880that's trying to not be separate and this is this is the basis of the conversation is like should we
02:10:03.020be allowed to draw borders around ourselves and be separate and our government says no and you
02:10:08.060know pop culture says no and political correctness says no but it's like are we allowed to live the
02:10:13.000way that we want or not well the majority of like white flight happened before the 60s and the what
02:10:19.400i hear most people say is that black families were better off that like there was higher rates of
02:10:24.200marriage fire yeah there were others in the household and so but black white people were
02:10:28.620still moving away and even from what we know it did seem to be because of racism not because of
02:10:33.860crime or any you know oh god now look at it but that i don't think that that's the case today i
02:10:39.380think that today it's uh it's trending in a different direction but even when we bring up
02:10:44.020terms like systemic racism people think that this means people are being racist which technically it
02:10:49.620doesn't it doesn't mean any person is racist or being racist it's about like the the way that a
02:10:54.980system works and then the disproportionate outcomes within the data i think systemic racism is a word
02:11:02.820that people that don't really have jobs use yep no it's a white liberal
02:11:09.700people that are yeah it's an academic term academics don't really like i feel like most
02:11:14.980of them are kind of useless to be honest yeah systemic came up with freaking latinx and like
02:11:20.18097 of people of latin heritage hate that word but they use these words to try to try and recreate
02:11:27.620reality no white academics well academics pay but especially white liberal academics come on now no
02:11:34.020it's systemic racism the term systemic racism is like is the weather racist and so how do white
02:11:42.820listen systemic racism is what intellectuals it's the excuse that intellectuals use to justify
02:11:48.500behavior that's it that what's that justification hold on hold on hold on hold on let me finish let
02:11:54.580Let me finish. It is a justification because I just watched Dr. James sit here right now and say, well, yes, there are problems and X, Y and Z, but it's because of systemic or systemic racism has a factor in that.
02:12:06.840When you when you say, OK, I understand that there are problems in the black community, but then there is a but what you're doing is you are giving niggas the excuse.
02:12:15.560Well, the reason why I committed this, I actually had one dude call up in my show and tell me that that stress was passed down in from your genetics from one generation to the next.
02:12:27.080And I could not I could not believe what I was hearing.
02:14:06.220what he said i said however um you know uh when we look up um you know real issues that take place
02:14:15.140in the black community um there is no but i said we need i i know we have to look at the solution
02:14:27.860and i said i i'm one who goes hard on i you know i talk about the gang banging i talk about the
02:14:33.440drugs. I talk about the music that is being promoted in our communities, and that has to be
02:14:37.620fixed. The only part where I said the but is when I was talking about the duped part in reference to
02:14:42.620what Pearl has said, and I spoke about that. When we look at systemic racism, it's a real thing when
02:14:49.880you see that Wells Fargo just got sued for their discriminating in who they hire and who they
02:14:58.260allowed a bank there. That's systemically racist. If you look at policing, who they hire, Long
02:15:05.280Island, New York, look it up. 6,700 black cops went through the process from 2020 to 2023. 6,700
02:15:17.180went through the process and only 67 were hired. They were disqualified off of a psychiatric exam,
02:15:23.900which is not objective it's a professional opinion none of the uh black officers who were
02:15:31.200disqualified by the uh psychiatrists none of them were disqualified by a black psychiatrist
02:15:37.160i went to i used to work in i used to work in corporate america and um there was a guy i worked
02:15:44.140with who is black and he literally we were in sales and we had to make like 50 calls a day or
02:15:49.980something like that and he literally would call fax lines he would call fax lines instead of phone
02:15:58.660numbers and you know what they couldn't fire him for eight months so i don't know i think that if
02:16:03.800you're somebody i think a lot of academics like to feel really smart so they like put studies that
02:16:08.460are funded by god knows who and they'll tell you god knows what i do reference facts data and
02:16:13.160statistics at times but i do think it's important that it's backed up by real life experience
02:16:18.360because if it's not then anybody can just put anything in front of you and you'll just believe
02:16:23.720it so um do i believe that there's really discrimination in america not at all to be
02:16:29.120honest um i actually think black people have it a lot easier there's a lot of scholars like
02:16:33.740then i go back to high school right um there's a guy who got like a 28 on his act he was black
02:16:39.620and got into notre dame white kid who got like a 33 got denied the woman who got a 30 got in
02:16:46.140And so it's like these experiences just happen over and over. I understand that some people are saying that that could be anecdotal. I think anecdotal could be a one time thing. And again, I can tell you story after story after story. Like I could go on. I used to live in a black area. And when you live in like a place that's like 50 to 80 percent black people, you just notice a lot of differences in the way that as groups people live.
02:17:13.120there's a lot of things I didn't really appreciate about white culture until I
02:58:14.640base all of my opinions based off of studies
02:58:17.360or the way that I think about something.
02:58:19.360I might have feelings based on my own anecdotal experiences,
02:58:23.080But I don't try to like project that onto overall groups as though if I've engaged with 300 black people that this is representative of, you know, 70 million black people or anything like that.
02:58:36.400I think studies, because they're done with peer review processes and scientific processes, this makes it to where they are trustworthy and then people's own random experiences that they have, whether even if if me and another person both have very drastically different experiences where they say, hey, every single Latino that I engage with is the nicest person ever.
02:58:59.000And I say every Latino that I engage with is the meanest person ever.
02:59:03.120There has to be some way for us to come to a consensus.
02:59:06.000And generally, it's going to be some third-party scientific consensus that exists that we should be relying on instead.
02:59:12.920But I think that a lot of times people just pick and choose studies based on whether or not it aligns with their feelings.
02:59:18.580Their feelings comes first, and then they choose the studies that they want to cite based on their feelings.
02:59:23.640But if we just play TikTok videos that say the things that we like or TikTok videos that show the anecdotes that we like, this doesn't really give us a real perspective.
02:59:34.000I think that there are – I debate black people all the time who cry about racism all the time, who say that all white people are racist.