Pearl - July 02, 2025Candance Owens Survives Feminist Bloodsports？
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In this episode, we have a special guest on the show, Naima, who is a writer, activist, and writer. She's also a mother of two and a wife. We talk about what it means to be a woman in the 21st century and why it's time to go back to the first wave of feminism.
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That two-thirds of the 7.7 million illiterate adults is women?
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So your claims that women will be happier at home.
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I think you're conflating, though, happiness with importance.
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Because I get what you're saying, where a woman can write a book and have kids,
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but the kids are always going to make her happier.
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But I think it just means that kids are always going to be more important.
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But also, piggybacking on Naima, we don't live in an economy where people typically can have a one-income household.
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And so I think, and you keep bringing up the 1950s, which...
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I just don't know if that's the period of time that you want to go back to.
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I'm just going back to the first wave of feminism.
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But you want to undo progress that's been done.
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So I'm curious as to what decade you'd be comfortable living in.
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So we're going to park aside the race politics because I want to focus on...
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Then as a woman, what period of time do you want to go back to?
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Just as a woman, I think that it was probably a better environment for women when we were...
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Or we understood that raising our children was...
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I would have loved to have been around before social media and just see what life was like back then.
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And I'm here advocating for you to be able to live the life that you want and for other women to be able to live the lives they want.
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So, I have both children and a career, as somebody pointed out.
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And so, the fact that I'm saying that you will be infinitely more fulfilled at the end of the day by raising your children than you will be if you come home and you say, wow, I really crushed it, dying.
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But it's like I can watch what you say or watch what you do.
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It's kind of weird sometimes when you see people like you've seen on screen.
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What is it exactly that makes you angry about hearing that?
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That's the thing is that no one is angry when someone mentions children.
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I get angry, I guess, when you mention that someone should have children.
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She's saying, I don't want to have kids with a beta.
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And Candace, because the older women will tell you this, have kids with a beta.
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And they don't realize it, but that's the argument.
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Dial onto people that you want to live, which I think is kind of funny because as someone
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who's anti-feminism, you practice it more than most women do.
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Pearl, would you say no fault divorce was a symptom of a deeper cultural shift that had
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already started undermining men's roles, family, and society?
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So I had a child support officer on the show, or I don't know his official job title.
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My understanding is that there was a lot of requests for no-fault divorce already, and
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that there was a lot of people separated and not divorced.
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And that matches up with what I know about like my family, like the grandparents and great-grandparents.
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A lot of people didn't, like they were just separated.
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And I really think all of this is just nature correcting itself because most men didn't get
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And then they enforced monogamy because it gets too violent if like the bottom third of
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So the people in charge were like, okay, we need monogamy.
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And the women were like, no, the women are like, we won't be straddled down with betas.
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Every time you collect a check, you're practicing feminism.
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Without feminism, you wouldn't be able to exist.
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People keep saying, I hate when people say that, but it just shows that you, you haven't
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done the research to even understand where the family.
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Or you don't know history, which was discoverable.
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That's what I'm saying about you because it means.
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There was always female anti-feminist writers though, always.
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Is that you don't understand that a bunch of government officials in the CIA funded
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So for all of your hatred for the patriarchy and speaking about men.
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So my question is, is it bad that they funded it or bad that it just happened?
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Men wanted women to go into the workforce, the government, which had a lot of men.
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Are you talking about because World War II occurred and we had to go to factories?
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And then when we left the factories, they forced us back into the homes?
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So let me tell you what I'm saying, and then you can respond to it.
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Gloria Steinem was considered to be a feminist icon, right?
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It is just a fact that Gloria Steinem was funded by the CIA.
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The CIA being the male dominated CIA of the fifties and the sixties funded those movements.
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So what, what, what do you think was the explicit aim?
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Do you think it was because the government really wanted you to be more free that they
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wanted to encourage women to enter the workforce?
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You know, the women nagged them into it in their lives.
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I think it's important because you just said that I don't know history.
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And I think it's pretty important if you're going to sit across from me and say,
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I don't know history that you learn a piece of history and then question as you keep bringing
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And I think it's funny because we should talk about men more.
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They're four times more likely to kill themselves, which is why.
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And while women were twice as more often on antidepressants, but that's because we go
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And we need to focus on men and the patriarchy because it's actually oppressed them just
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Because when we're kids, we are, our parents teach us how to cross street, look both ways.
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So you can get the other side unharmed when a boy comes across a feeling, and I'm using
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men and boys here because they're the ones suffering women are too, but emotionally when
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they come across a feeling they haven't felt before, we have to teach them how to get to
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That's the feeling they become most comfortable with.
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That's the feeling they go to first in most situations.
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So we need to stop telling our boys that they don't cry because they do.
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So you say that women are more fulfilled at home with kids than going out into the workforce
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or getting educated, but that just really doesn't bear out.
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When you look at the stats, when you look at how working mothers are way less likely to
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be in poverty, maternal education is the number one predictor of childhood outcomes, better scores,
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getting higher incomes in the future, fewer behavioral problems, better mental health.
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So it's weird to me with, and college educated women are least likely to get divorced.
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And they're the only women, the top 10% of women are the only women whose marriage rates
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They're staying married and their kids are doing better.
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When you look at stay at home mothers, you see that they're more likely to report being
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They're more likely to report having anxiety and anger and all these types of things.
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She won't be the speak for the government, but she will, but she will speak for men.
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Seems like a woman, if you want to get married and have kids, you should go to college and
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So I, it sounds to me like we are looking at totally different statistics because everything
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that you said, I've actually read the exact opposite.
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Let's not talk about, like, I do studies because I have to, like, it's part of my job.
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I can't just not use studies, but let's talk about what we see in real life.
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I see old women unhappy when they can't get the attention from alphas anymore.
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Because I know, like I said, I think what we're talking about is that there was this widespread
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And I know that it was, it was formally debunked and it was-
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In fact, working mothers today spend more time with their children than women did in the
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Well, women that I can tell you, women that are at home are obviously spending more time with
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their children than the people who are at work today.
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And their children are not faring off any better.
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How are you measuring their children faring off worse?
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How likely they are to higher incomes, better scores, fewer health problems, fewer behavioral
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So the, just to get back to the claim that I'm making here is that it is obvious that
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women who have children are going to be more fulfilled.
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It's a tough environment having like 20 people yell at you and just take shots.
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I would have, the way I would have handled that is just say, look, for the purpose of this
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Look at all the statistics in terms of women who are choosing not to have families.
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They are, as the person who just sat here before you mentioned, they are suffering from
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It is actually true that women who are choosing their careers over starting families are
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finding themselves leaning more onto medicines like Xanax, anxiety inducing medicines and
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depression because they suspended that timeframe where women really should be looking
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to find a partner and to start a family because they were instead pursuing their careers.
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There has been a, it has been, it is a dishonest.
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It's because we hate things that we can't control.
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It's totally a dishonest narrative that men and women want the same things out of life.
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We absolutely do not want the same things out of life.
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In fact, we don't even measure, we don't even measure success the same.
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Men and women don't even measure success the same.
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So, but tell me how the women who are working and getting educated, why are they faring off
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I am telling you that I do not believe they are faring off better in all of these matters.
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And what, and you're doing that because of what?
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I am telling you that we are looking at totally opposite statistics.
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Like, so you're sitting here telling me that the statistics show that women who are working
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But I am saying that women that grow up in a two-family home where the mother stays at
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home are faring off better than the children who are being raised in an environment where
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the women are working, where both of the parents are working and away from the home.
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I've heard from people in the industry she has a lot of nannies.
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Don't know if that's true, but that's what I've heard.
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I've never talked about all of the nannies I hire, but I spoke about how difficult it was
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to find a babysitter who knew how to cook a meal.
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But so now, Candace is entering into her frame.
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I would have said, you talk about all the nannies you hire.
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Yeah, a million nannies, a thousand, hundred thousand, or you just dismiss, you move on.
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And this is something I had to, like, internally look at.
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Why do you feel the need to defend yourself, like, to an OnlyFans model?
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What would you tell Candace to overcome this objection?
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So, you know, you just say, yep, you know, I'm the worst mother ever.
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Or I would go a different route and say, let me listen to the rest.
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Neil, and that's because you don't need a babysitter.
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You have to let people respond to you when they're speaking.
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She doesn't need to be doing this, but she's, like, choosing to put herself in politics,
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Because you've said so many words that you just, what you're trying to do here, like your argument style,
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is I'm going to say so much and not let her get a word in and then walk away and feel like I've won.
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We're not having a conversation because you're not letting me respond to even one of your points.
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What I am saying to you, for first to answer what you just said, which was a lie,
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what I spoke to you about on the weekends is that it's been increasingly difficult to find a 25-year-old
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who even knows how to make box macaroni and cheese.
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And that is in large part due to feminism.
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Like, there's this, there's this, there's this idea.
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Like, there's something fundamentally wrong with women even learning how to cook.
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Are you spending as much time with your children as you possibly can?
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Because that's the way to get the most fulfillment.
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Could you please let somebody get in a word edgewise?
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Like I said, it's, it's, no one benefits when you're just speaking over me and not allowing me to respond.
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All you're proving is that you have an attitude and you-
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Like, you can't, by saying, oh, now, like, now she-
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That's why I think Jasmine actually won this, because Candace keeps entering into her frame.
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But you're not, you see, that's what I'm saying.
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You just have an attitude and it's not, it's not cute.
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Does anybody actually feel here that I am being allowed to address any of her points
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Like, I'm literally trying to answer your first point of you saying that I don't stay
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Obviously, I get that you're all anti-Candace and pro-feminist, but also it's not productive.
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What she is doing for her culture war schtick is for her kids, so they won't date gynocentric
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We all know it's not, but that's a great response.
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You spend more time saying that I'm not addressing, that you don't have a chance to talk.
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I mean, the whole time you could have addressed the point.
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I just want you to know that you're not coming across as somebody who wants to actually have
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So, to get back to the claim, because I don't even know where you're at.
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You're now talking, you're saying that I said stuff in my podcast-
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You just said something about me working at home.
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And if you truly said that you would be more fulfilled.
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Now, one thing you do find is women, they don't want to stay at home when you pull them.
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They just want flexible working hours and flexible working conditions, like you have.
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But when you sit here and you go, you'll be more fulfilled doing this and spend all your
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We would love for you to leave the public eye and go focus on what makes you fulfilled.
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If you had anything else that she should have added, it's tough.
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But that's what happens when you use your kids to build your brand.
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I had a public relationship once, and I regret it with everything in me.
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That's why I'm kind of iffy when I talk about my personal life, because people just use it
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But, yeah, if you cosplay trad and you're, like, putting on your Instagram stories, you
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cooking for your husband and stuff, yeah, that's what you get.
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Hey, before we go any further, we want to take a moment to say thanks so much to Straight
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Air News for powering the fact that we live under a matriarchy, not a patriarchy.
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Well, the patriarchy is the idea that the system, our system in America is being run by men and
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that women are having to exist under a system that...
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I got to treat him like a king, you know, is Jasmine Jafar a five.
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I would put her as more attractive than Candace, unfortunately.
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I'd put her at like a 6.5 because she's younger, a little prettier, I'd say, even though she
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Immediately disadvantages them because men are behind it.
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I think actually we're living in a society where people are being very much influenced
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So the denotative definition of patriarchy is father rule and where positions of government
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are held majorly by men, where women are largely excluded.
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So 125 House of Representatives are female.
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But they have to cater to women because women are the biggest swing voting bloc.
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3% make up Senate and 3.3% of Congress up until this date have ever been women.
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So by denotative definition, we literally live in a patriarchy.
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So I think what this gets to, which is actually an important part of the conversation, is that
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people always think that where there is disparity, there's somehow inequality.
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I think it's just a difference in what we're interested in.
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I think we're biologically wired, we're interested in different careers.
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And just because we looked, if we looked in the fashion industry and said, oh, well, it's
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being dominated by women, it wouldn't mean that, okay, well, that means that the fashion
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industry is a matriarchy and men have no sense.
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It just means have no ability to communicate how they feel in the fashion industry.
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I literally think that those numbers show that we're just biologically different.
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So I actually think politically women have shown that they have a lot more power than
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And I'm talking about just in terms of political movements.
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The most recent I can think of is the Me Too movement, right?
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If a bunch of women get together and complain about a man and refer to the patriarchy and scream,
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generally speaking, let me know if you agree, the media will celebrate that.
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If a bunch of men got together and were shrieking and speaking about women, generally speaking,
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the media would call them all white supremacists and say that we had a misogyny problem and
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Women are allowed to be more vocal in general about problems than men are.
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When we're talking about government and media, these are two different things.
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So under the denotative definition of a patriarchy by the percentages that are occupied in the
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government, which is majority male, defines us as a patriarchy.
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Now, what it comes to for capitalism, for marketing purposes and control for capital and revenue,
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I don't think that women are the ones voting to have their reproductive rights taken away,
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where you have rape, incest, and all of these things excluded to force women to be able to
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I don't think women in government would largely vote against their own interests because it's
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Yeah, but you have to cater to the voting bloc.
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Who's voting that patriarchy and then, out of curiosity?
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Because there are so many women who think like you.
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You submit to the idea of men ruling everything.
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I think what I would say in these debates would get me kicked off of YouTube.
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Yeah, because they're better at everything.
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Is that hard for you guys as men, just thinking these things and not being able to say it?
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A lot of women who also falsely believe to vote against their own interests just to complain
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You know, earlier you said that, you know, women would be much more happier working at
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But don't you agree that it's human nature to want things that you don't have?
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So during the 1950s, which is something that you constantly bring up, you know, it wasn't
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until 1994 that it was legally illegal to beat your wife.
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And so what we're dealing with is people wanting something.
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And then when they get it, they're not happy with it.
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So like the first mistake was ever trying to appease women because you could give them
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And so what you're saying is that women vote for these things because they have the same
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So you're acknowledging that women have the freedom to vote.
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And you're saying that women are still existing mentally, even with the freedom to vote.
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They are voting men in because we are still victims of.
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I believe in lack of education, a lack of knowledge, because one of the things that you also say.
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You think that it could just be that more men are running for positions of office?
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Because remember, the United States, the average reading comprehension of people.
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I think it's because men are better at everything, but not all.
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Lack of education is the cause for what we see in the world.
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And if we educate the women better, because a nation can rise no higher than this woman.
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And if she reading and comprehending at a sixth grade level and popping out a lot of kids,
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you know, because the brokest people in the world pop out the most kids.
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So if we have those people voting, of course, they're going to vote against their interests
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because they're voting for some utopian society that will never exist.
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We had a male running and we had a female running.
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I thank you guys every day for the super chat, but that was a tough.
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I did this show basically throughout the whole time and you guys saw me.
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My mood was terrible because I was working for free.
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And we actually showed that Trump increased the amount of women who voted for him.
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I'm asking you, do you believe that the reason that happened was because women became less educated during that time?
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Did you know that UNESCO says that the two thirds of the 7.7 million illiterate adults is women?
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I've literally thought about taking a reading class.
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We want us to have an equal say when two thirds of adults who can't read are women.
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And we have sixth grade educated people voting.
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That gets the dominant population is white women.
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You have to add a race element into that and what you already know exists because we as
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black folks, we ain't the dominant people voting people in.
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So now when we have to go into white supremacy and feminism, now you have to look at the mind
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of the people who actually have economic success and what they're voting for because classism
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So I'm sorry, but a lot of people vote based on their feelings and not based on policy.
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She's almost more feminine than Candace in a weird way, even though she's doing the dyke
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So she's like talking slowly, calm, cool, collected.
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Although to be fair, it's tough to be calm when you have like 10 people coming for you at