Pearl - April 08, 2025
Christians On Dating Apps (Call-in Show) | Pearl Daily
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the dangers of dating online as a Christian. Dating apps are a growing trend among millennials and Gen Z, but what does it really mean to be a Christian on dating apps? What are the benefits and dangers of online dating?
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good afternoon good evening everybody welcome to another episode of pearl daily i am your host
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pearl here at the audacity network today i have a special show for you we are going to be talking
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about christians on dating apps but before we get into today's topics as you guys know i have a
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couple housekeeping you know updates so the first update is that guys the audacity network.com
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that's t-h-e-a-u-d-a-c-i-t-y-d dot oh my gosh i can't talk today c-o-m and the link is in the
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description or you can look it up on the app stores we are going to have smart intelligent men give
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presentations on their industry and tomorrow someone is giving a presentation talking about
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is federal work for you you know the it's really going to be explaining the current situation of
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the federal government from a federal employee's point of view explain the ins and outs of federal
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work their experience and the best practices and the pros and cons this smart intelligent man did
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very well in this industry and so he's going to give you guys the ins and outs and you can see
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if it's something that's for you as you guys know i have found that some of the most intelligent men
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that i know are not famous so what i wanted to do was give you guys value where you guys can ask
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them questions directly and they can give presentations on different industries, but
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they have the privacy and being anonymous that they want. So, because most, a lot of the most
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smart men that I know really have no desire for fame. Okay, so let's get into today's episode.
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Welcome to another episode of Pearl Daily. Conversations are being had about the effectiveness
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of dating apps. Although meeting online is still the number one way of meeting people,
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younger millennial and Gen Z are trying different avenues to date. While on the decline, it would
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still be helpful to learn how to navigate the world of online dating. What to put in your profile
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and how to message a woman and arrange a date offline are essential skills to learn if a man
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wants any success in meeting women online. But what happens if you are religious? Many Christians
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have not found success finding a relationship in their church or their church doesn't foster
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Christian relationships with its members. This leaves many to try online dating. So what are
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the issues with Christians dating online? Some argue that dating apps put Christians,
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Some argue that dating apps put Christian's mind into a consumeristic and individualistic mindset,
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making the Christian view people on the app as items to be swiped on instead of actual people.
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Dating apps create an illusion of infinite choice,
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making a Christian create an unrealistic expectation of a potential partner, leading to anxiety.
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The quick nature of dating apps can hinder the development of a deep and meaningful relationship.
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Some Christians may feel a stigma and hide their dating apps from other members of their faith.
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So in church, here's the hierarchy of women trying to throw it back in church.
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So obviously, number one draft pick is going to be the pastor.
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They're going to try to throw it back at the pastor.
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And usually their beta husband isn't even going to notice.
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But if that doesn't work out, they quickly go for the members of the bands, maybe security guards,
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maybe the pastor's right-hand man, or obviously the muscle guys in church that run through these hoes.
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Yeah, so, you know, when all the church hoes go through that, they obviously got to go to Tinder.
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So there are many non-Christian dating apps that, there are so many non-Christians on dating apps
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that finding a genuine faith-based connection can be difficult.
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these hoes don't have faith okay let's take a look at some of the hidden dangers of dating apps okay
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four hidden dangers christian needs to christians need to know about online dating okay
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uh what can i get rid of this ad thank you okay so here is this person's experience so
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My wife and I, both devout believers, met on a secular dating app and while the end
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result of that experience was more of a blessing than I could have ever asked for, we did spend
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the entire first date sharing how terrible our online dating experiences had been.
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Having worked in the online dating industry for years, I was privy to an insider experience
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of what things were like for Christian singles.
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nayski nada not good again this is the problem it's people trying to date traditional in a
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modern world it just leads to both sides really taking l's because obviously the women are going
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to go for chads first and chads really don't value chastity until maybe 10 15 years in when
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they're looking for their wife but do you know how many women they don't give a shit about chastity
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with do you know what i'm saying because you i know like you want to we want a virtue signal
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and say don't go for chads yeah let me know how that works selling that to the ladies
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you know what ladies go for the men in your league
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okay so what happens is the the women they're going to go for chads chads don't care about
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purity now the christian men do maybe a christian chad but there's not many christian chads and
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the problem is um the pure the christian women are the ones that try to maintain some sense of
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purity they have no relationship skills right um and the issue they get is chads they need more
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than just sex it's like the bare minimum it's like it takes this much to get in like purity
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just isn't the same to chads until like they're really on a mission to settle down otherwise it
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just kind of happens like somehow somehow just likes him so so much he can really do whatever
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he wants and he's like good enough so that's how the women take the l's the men on the other hand
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take the L's because well they're like let me court you and the women are like this is a target
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you want to court me in this economy they realize it's a target so a lot of there's a lot of L's in
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church now fast forward a few years to one Sunday at church that would change our lives forever
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our pastor was speaking about the breakdown of the family unit across the county or the country
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and the negative effects it was having on the Christian community.
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God put it on my heart that we needed to do something to provide a safe and effective way
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I felt that taking what I knew about online dating and creating something Christ-centered
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could bring real change with the potential for generational impact.
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We prayed about it for a while, and we eventually put our yes on the table.
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Now, you see a lot of these apps come across. Right. And what happens is these Christians come in and they think that they can convince men and women to not like to make their biology go away. Right.
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So when you get a group of women, we are just, we just always go for the hot guys.
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We're like the hot guys, the charming guys, whoever it is, the guy with a good, I mean,
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You put a guy with a guitar, he can do like three chords.
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You get a guy doing comedy in the front of the room.
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I mean in the PUAs they like mimic this right it's hilarious so what they do is they teach guys
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and it works on us I'm no I'm not special or different right so I don't want this to come
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off as an I'm better than you it obviously it works on me too right I'm a woman right it works
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on everybody so you know the PUAs they teach the men to like know the bartenders to know everybody
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in a certain community so the girl thinks that he's popular oh it's too funny anyway so
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where where am i going with this where am i going this oh and so the christians what they try to do
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is they try to get people to not do what people do in groups so they're like men top men please
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please settle down. Don't run through these hoes. They're like, please don't run through these
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hoes. You're a pastor. Did you know half of pastors have admitted to emotional affairs at
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least and a quarter like cheating. So half of pastor, if the, the literal men of God can't
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not do it when it's easy, right? Cause they're in the front of the room. They can't help it.
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The punani is just given to them. I'm like, it's like on a plant platter, these church hoes,
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you know what i mean so all these people they think they can make an app that foregoes human
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nature to get the chads to stop running through to get the women to stop going for chads but the
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only solution is to figure out how to play the game and how to how to win in this economy right
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you know the women it's learning relationship skills you could try to sell purity under 22
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maybe if he's stupid up to 25 but you can't sell that much right you know so I mean
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but if he's like dumb then the girls won't even like him anyway then she'll just realize she can
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run circles around him he'll just get cheated on but he you know look at these things so they all
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think that religion is a buffer and you know my boyfriend actually sent me something today
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that said that religious countries don't have more children. So religion is not a buffer to
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human nature. Christian countries do not have the most children. Really, people just have kids when
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they have to, because whenever we get money, people are like, eh, I should preface. Women are
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like, eh, we're completely in charge. Okay, but I'll keep going on this article. So, but here's
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the bigger realization I had during the process. Most Christians and church leaders are unaware of
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the hidden dangers within the online dating industry. And while this knowledge gap is
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understandable, it's dangerous for our singles and our churches. While with 96% of pastors being
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married and that trend continuing throughout much of church leadership, it makes sense that
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knowledge and experience in these new forms of digital dating may be scarce. But with millions
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of christian singles in the u.s expected to use online dating app this year church leaders simply
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cannot choose to ignore the needs of the singles in their congregation now this guy's going to go
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on to outline four important issues christian singles pastors and ministry leaders need to
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know about online dating apps i'm going to get to that but i want to tell you guys my experience
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I went to a Protestant church for like two years, and I was pretty into it.
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And I remember someone asked me if I wanted to do a dating event, and I was like, oh,
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And they said, well, you probably won't get anything, right?
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And I'm like, what do you mean I won't get anything?
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And what they told me was that it's 90% women at these dating events.
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Anyway, so then at this, I know, I think I was there for the wrong reasons, right?
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anyway so these churches what they have is they have all these events and the women they kind of
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police each other it's really interesting it's like a weird dynamic because you live with a lot
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of the other women and they tell you not to date on the dating apps now I this is a little different
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but there they said you have to date someone in the church so I'm like you guys are going to put
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a gun to my head basically and make me die alone like I can't I can't I have to date within this
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church or they said go to other churches that are similar but I'm like these men don't want
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to go to church do you know what I mean these men aren't putting up with this bullshit here
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and then it becomes like a single woman and then I went on this like they had these like
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retreats you could go on and you like read the bible and whatever and I actually met some pretty
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cool like women there but I looked around I'm like all these women are older than me and single
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I'm gonna die alone if I stay here and I really had this realization that the church really does
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leave women single because instead of going out like normally women will feel lonely right so
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we'll ditch the whatever community and we'll be like oh let me go find a boyfriend or a husband
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them whatever but what happens in these churches is the women get the sense of community from the
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church so they don't really feel the need and they also get the ability to disqualify men for not
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being godly enough and that's whatever the women deem is godly and you guys see how that's like a
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path for destruction like there's this one woman at her church that um a limit she was like older
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she was an older woman and like not older but like okay i don't want to give too many details
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over 25 less than 35 i'll say and she was a virgin right or allegedly i mean who knows but
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and she eliminated a guy for not being godly because he tried to sleep with her
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i'm like bitch you're not no spring chicken like what did you think was gonna
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what did you do you know what i mean like what did you that's not gonna work now do you know
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what I mean? But, and they also shame the male sex drive. So, I mean, we all know like part of
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being a man is you guys just want to have sex with everything. It's terrible. I mean, not terrible.
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Sorry. I just did it. But like, it's very humbling as a woman because there's nothing like
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new vagina to a man. Like you could be a 10 out of 10 and he would just rather have sex with the
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new one it's just like you can't compete with it do you know what i mean like it's it's the worst
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because really after a certain time like guys get sick of sleeping with you what after two years
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i mean that's like enough right if you got a good gluck gluck maybe three but like
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he's still gonna want to sleep with that new woman more and that's why i i gotta thank the
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corn stars out there. Thank you ladies, because I feel like you guys prevent cheating because
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they can just look at you. Right, right. Anyways, so these churches, they really do leave women
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single. They really do because they allow, they allow women to feel holier than thou
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because all they have to do is put on a Jesus necklace and read the Bible. And then you can
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think you're a good person they don't tell you to not be annoying or not nag or learn the glut
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glut like i had christians on twitter say that you shouldn't be your husband's porn star
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well who's gonna do it do you know what i mean it's like i mean
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now i understand there's some weird corn stuff like i'm not saying you gotta be insane but
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I mean, wouldn't you rather him looking at you than looking at that?
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Anyway, so now these are the problems this Christian guy found on the Christian dating apps.
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One of the most prevalent and detrimental assumptions is that all Christian dating apps are actually Christian.
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just because an online dating app has Christian in the title or Christ in the branding does not
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mean that it's run by Christian leaders or that it cares about biblical values in fact the majority
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of the largest and most popular Christian dating apps in the U.S. are run by secular companies for
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example Upward is the largest Christian dating app on the market right now and is an option many
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pastors currently regularly recommend to their singles. However, unbeknownst to them, Upward
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is actually owned by Match Group, an $11 billion company that owns secular dating apps like
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Match.com, Hinge, and casual hookup style dating apps like Tinder. Unfortunately, the
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experience for Christian singles on Upward is much of what you would expect from a secular
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company this app is riddled with inappropriate content utilizes the same matchmaking processes
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as tinder and is filled with secular features that would make a pastor blush yeah like filtering
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height or you know i'm pretty sure you can basically buy women on tinder these days
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okay additionally apps like christian mingle and e-harmony are often thought of as being christian
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owned companies in reality though christian mingle is owned by a massively publicly traded company
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out of germany called spark notes that owns many casual secular dating apps and e-harmony clearly
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shares they are not a christian dating app and more focused on inclusivity number two secular
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companies have different opinions on what is appropriate what is inappropriate with the
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With the majority of Christian dating apps being run by secular companies, it's important to highlight an area where Christians and the world differ heavily on their viewpoint, specifically when it relates to the topic of lust.
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Yeah, you guys think that slapping God on the title is going to make women not get naked?
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spend just a few minutes on some of the most popular christian dating apps and you'll see a
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barrage of scantily clad photos excessive cleavage shirt off pictures and while everyone may have a
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slightly different viewpoint on what is showing too much these apps can choose to err on the side
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of letting people do what they want as opposed to being mindful of the things that could cause
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a christian brother or sister to stumble when you pair with this fact that christians are led to feel
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that they're in a safe and christ-centered space the lack of modesty can become quickly normalized
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the i mean do you guys know what christians will die on the hill of women being whores
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they really will um there was a girl on twitter recently i i mean she was thirst trapping at her
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job i mean as the trad e-girls do and i just pointed it out and you know what all of the
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Christians yelled at me for pointing it out. This is what you're dealing with. Now, the number three
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is romance scams are real and Christian singles are the highest value target. The last major blind
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spot church and ministry leaders need to know about are the very real dangers of romance scams.
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By definition, a romance scam is when someone impersonates someone else online with the intention
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of separating someone from their money yeah christian men unfortunately are um the biggest
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even god can't stop these men from wanting to be with multiple women it's so unfortunate do you
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know what if you could be so hot as a woman and there's just nothing you can do nothing nothing
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There are horror stories you see that simply break your heart.
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Christian singles are prime targets for scammers because they tend to be kind, giving, and empathetic, even with strangers.
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Scammers know and therefore target Christian singles both online and in person much more.
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Number four, the act of swiping profiles is creating an addictive behavior for women.
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I mean, how many swipes do you really get as a guy?
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There is a lot of research showing that swipe dating is causing serious mental health problems for singles.
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On average, users scroll through 20 hours per week.
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Wow, I saved a lot of time being in a relationship.
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Which builds an addictive dopamine loop like drugs, alcohol, and gambling addictions.
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When they get their first match, it fires a high-level dopamine rush to the brain.
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And from there, people keep swiping to choose to chase that high.
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But there are a lot of reasons why they'll never achieve that feeling.
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The problem is so bad that people are experiencing withdrawal symptoms, like twitching fingers when they don't use the apps.
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If an online app truly has Christian values, they should take on added responsibility to protect their users.
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Unfortunately, that is often overlooked for a couple of reasons.
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First, most secular dating apps don't take additional security steps because it's too
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expensive or takes too many resources to implement. Secondly, the secular apps aren't aware of the
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increased risk and therefore aren't even aware of the magnitude of the problem. The latter
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tends to be the case with smaller Christian dating apps that may have their hearts in the
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right place but lack the industry knowledge to properly deliver a safe experience.
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the question becomes should singles even take a chance with online dating
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okay what's the downside you might as well try it i'm not saying it'll work but all right churches
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have learned to leverage technology in so many ways to better serve god's people in the right
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context online dating can be an incredible way to help build relationships that are truly christ
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centered but for that to be the case two things need to change first christian singles need to
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start using dating apps that are built on biblical principles single ministry leaders and pastors
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need to help steer singles to perform or to platforms that are christ christian led and
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that take a provocative approach to both physical and spiritual safety of its users so again
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this is them saying use god to get women to stop being whores right how does that work have you
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guys have you guys dealt with a christian a christian woman how has that gone for you
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have they been of higher quality when when i start hearing the men saying the christian women are of
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higher quality and great droves when the men say the best way to find a wife is church
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wait when i start seeing that maybe i'll believe it but as of now i don't see any evidence that
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there's like a buffer okay secondly we need to do a better job as a church and educating singles
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about the hidden dangers of online dating with simple education and knowledge christian singles
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can be made more aware of potential risks of online dating and how to avoid any situations
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that could be harmful to others okay so if you guys have a question comment or concern make sure
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you either super chat or you go to the website and you get unlimited super chats there it's on
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the app store you just download the app get the monthly or yearly membership and then um
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yeah and then you you just put pearl read okay you are once again dead on love it so sick of
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the simp world and all of its expectations. I'm a Christian and would not touch Christianity 304
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with a 10 foot pole. I know it's even worse because at least you guys have the luxury of
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not knowing what your girls did in the past. I know you all think you know, but you'll never
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really know, right? We have way too much incentive to lie. And so at least this way, if I'm being
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honest, you know, you can at least live in peace. Like, you know, when you guys cheat and you like
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cheated like we don't know and at least at least we're happy and you guys cheat in peace and the
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women hide their dirt in peace but the christian guys have to have the women talk about being
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whores in the form of testimony oh how do you guys get suckered into this so they have to give a
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testimony about being a whore so yeah anyways that's even worse at least the secular men don't
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have to go through a humiliation ritual all for a girl with a jesus cross necklace
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um did you have a boxing match with destiny no i didn't um let's see i have come to believe
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that faith alone theology leads to the popular popularization of the cremation of care um joel
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says i was also raised in the catholic schools my wife is anglican and she knows i don't care
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better religion because i have been beasted by the beast okay um curveball said i have never
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wanted to risk getting an std from an ugly skank am i the only one have you guys risked it i've
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seen i've seen a lot all right doug mpa says mormon girls are the biggest horse when they get away
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from their families and most of them want to rebel by sleeping with a black guy don't ask me how i
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know i'm happy for you doug mpa okay let me look on the other place
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okay so now we're going back here is a christian couple talking about their experience on dating
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apps. So let's go here. All right. So she's got the hoop earrings. So I wouldn't put the former
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hoe past pastor. What do you guys think? Former hoe or no? My name is Sam. I'm Sadie. So in today's
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video, we're going to talk about if dating apps are a good idea for Christians, I'm going to give
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my nightmare stories if dating apps are a good idea which dating apps should you choose okay so
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i never use dating apps personally so i spend my time in preparing for this video looking at
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statistics and looked at numbers what i found was in 2022 there was a study done and out of all the
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dating apps out of everyone that uses the dating apps only 12 of the people on the apps actually
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find love and get married to the people and that wasn't a study for the christian well people aren't
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really getting married all together you know what i mean this guy is softer than her i know that's
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how you can tell in a relationship is who talks first you know when people ask the couples a
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question does she look to him or does he look to her that's who runs the relationship community
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so i would imagine that that was a ton lower when you said imagine how many fewer people because
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there are not a whole lot of christians on said dating apps i can tell you i was never against
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dating apps um for other people but for me it just wasn't if you want to date a former sex drug and
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gambling addict go to church just like russell brand what i wanted to do and i was getting i know
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i mean there's too much incentive like all you have to do is dunk your head in water and then
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you're free of all everything bad you've ever done and nobody can judge you for it and if they
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do judge you for it they're not real christians i mean that sounds like an awesome place i can
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literally do anything and they have to like me okay so uh i will tell you guys a little bit about
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my own nightmare experience on these dating apps so probably when i think of horror stories on
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Jacob, the bigger the hoop, the bigger the hoe.
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So that one example involved me meeting someone and they claimed to be a Christian.
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they said the biggest red flag in a woman is finding god late in life what is too late when
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is it when is it too late for a woman to find god could you make a poll in the chat is it too late
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at let's do let's do 20 is that too late let's do 25 let's do 30 and 35 plus
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just gonna walk and talk um and just kind of get to know each other that way and so we ended up
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walking down the beach for probably about you know a mile or joel says he's a simp well
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but this is the archetype right like a guy like this let's say this girl threw it back in college
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but she's cute enough i mean do you guys really not i mean was she really a virgin
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I'd have to see what age they got married, but I'm going to be the cynic.
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He's not going to he's not going to be smart enough to figure that out.
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Doug MPA says the final stop on the horror train is church.
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then she starts cussing and for those of you in the north she starts cursing and um so we're
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walking down the beach and i'm already like oh dear this is not good there this person already
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is not who wait not find love i said god yeah god they represented themselves to be
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and then i start talking about god and you know this person she's got kind of these like
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vague views about God and I kind of more and more the more questions that I ask the more I'm like
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you know this girl doesn't really believe the kind of things that I believe and then I start
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mentioning Jesus not just kind of like this vague you know like God and then she starts talking
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about because I asked her you know what kind of relationship do you have with God what kind of
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relationship you have with Jesus. And she looks at me and she says something. I mean, it's, it's
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almost, it's almost meme worthy, but she looks at me and she's like, yeah, I, uh, I don't really
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do anything related to God other than like, maybe if I really like need to like, like sometimes I
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just talk to God when I'm in really big trouble. And then like, you know, otherwise I don't really
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do anything like basically he's like my personal like help genie or whatever and she did not like
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say it like it was a joke or like it was a bad thing she was like this is a perfectly normal
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thing oh this was this was the craziest thing the craziest thing was i asked her you know like
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tommy lauren doesn't like holding women accountable nope and you can kind of tell the way he talks
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he's a bit feminine right and i'm telling you that's like the archetype of dudes in church
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how many church guys have the balls to tell their like does this guy have the balls to tell her to
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shut the fuck up that's my that's my lit lit what do i say lit litmus litmus test because
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if you don't have the balls to tell her no then you're basically a woman
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and I understand why men are afraid to tell women no I mean we're pretty like we can go to pretty
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extreme lengths when we don't get what we want I understand it but I would just advise you if
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you can't tell her no I would just be by yourself because um either she's insane and that like I
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don't think you should be scared of her or you might have to learn that skill and maybe come
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back in a few years Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior because at this point I'm like questioning
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every single aspect of you know this girl's faith and so she okay so the I'll wait guys vote in the
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me that while she may not be perfect that the idea of her is perfect and so she does not actually
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need a savior wow and at that point i looked at her and i said i do not believe that we're
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worshiping the same god and she was so mad that she legitimately told me to get away from her
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we had like a mild walk back and so she tells me i want you to be like 30 yards that way and so
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we're literally just on like other sides of the beach just like walking back and she i mean yeah
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she was just like she booked it basically to the parking lot and i want to know what college this
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woman went to what college were you at better have been small i just remember being like wow
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like this is real pearl you're not talking about actual christians we don't put up with
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see this is again this is again this is what you guys do this is why you guys drive me nuts you
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guys think that you somehow your religion is a buffer for human behavior whenever you get a
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group of guys about half of them are afraid of women about half okay that does it doesn't matter
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what group you go to the difference is what the christians do is you get to get out that's why
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the reason it's worse in church is you get to get out of jail free card and they some they have so
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much ego and thinking that their religion's a buffer to these behaviors that they fall for
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anything and if they and even if they do get caught they just gotta dunk their head again
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say sorry and boom back at it i mean that's that's how this that's it's like a circle right
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really really not working out and then and then whenever i say okay well that guy did this you
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guys have the same thing you guys think that you get to determine who's a real christian and who's
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not what are now you're god now you're jesus christ himself now to you no okay people are
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people and that's a do you know what whenever something crazy my dad i grew up catholic right
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and whenever something crazy i would find out about i'd be like dad can you believe this person
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did that and do you know what he would say he would say i'm not surprised people are people
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yeah the whole dating app thing so would you say for a christian like pearl you're really good at
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criticizing the current state western you got a super chat okay i can't believe you guys are
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asking me these questions for free. I'm going to answer it. Pearl, you're really good at criticizing
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the current state in Western churches like Catholics and Protestants. What do you think
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will fill the void? Are we all going to hell? I don't think everyone's going to hell, but I think
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every generation has a different set of problems, and I don't think God's going to fix these. I think
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the birth rate's going to go down. If you have kids, they probably won't have kids. If they do
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of kids it's like one or two um and you know um and you you gotta figure it out for yourself but
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most people won't it's worth it to try on there or is it just like so all right ladies you got
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till 35 to find god for 41 percent of men you got you got um although 23 percent think you're too
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far gone by 20 20 say 25 uh 16 say 30. To find love that you should just stay away so first off
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there are examples of people finding love on dating apps I know that Paul and Morgan actually
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met I believe yeah see again this is where we're going back to Christian women can't help but use
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their relationship and family for clout they can't help it it's like asking a christian woman
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to keep her family private would be i'm trying to think of the equivalent it would be like me
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putting a steak in front of my dog ellie and telling her not to eat it won't ever happen
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no i'm tender of all places and i'm going to talk a little bit about tender um and the the kind of
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the image that that has obviously I did not use tender the way that a lot of people use tender
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yeah and then Nate and Sutton kind of indirectly met on there in order to really answer your
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question first we need to talk about the dangers of these dating apps before you can actually get
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into you know which dating apps or you know if any dating apps at all are worth your time for me
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i feel like using dating apps you kind of get now is she hot enough i guess
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she's got the long hair good enough face she's hot enough to get around the dating apps
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now she probably was anyways five years ago she was back but
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But, or maybe socially calibrated, she, look, the mids, you gotta get on.
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Sorry, ladies, you're just, if you're not hot enough, the men aren't approaching you
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in real life, it might be time to download an app or start approaching yourself.
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The men are done with our BS, do you know what I mean?
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look i'm all for rating women but that's not a three okay that's she's like a five
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when she was young she's probably a six she's like five she's got nice hair if it's real i'll
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give her a six okay five five point five six that's like her rating kind of becomes a game
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on your phone in a way does that make sense oh yeah so i feel like you're kind of you're
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oh she's not a 4.5 she will be in 10 years though yeah placing the need to go out and meet people
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with the i didn't say an eight they said she's a mid what is a five yeah that you're gonna meet
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someone online and just the kind of like gambling the what if like oh my goodness what if i do meet
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someone on here so you spend so much time swiping swiping swiping and you're wasting time where you
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could be going out going to small groups visiting churches having your friends you know introduce
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you to people if they know people for dating apps just like at a casino the goal for these companies
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that make the dating apps is not for you to get off of the dating apps because guess how they make
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money by keeping you single if you are not single if you are in a relationship unless you're a
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horrible person you will get off of the dating apps so why would they ever be incentivized to
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help you actually find the person that you're going to spend the rest of your life with another
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aspect yeah you're not going to find someone that you're going to spend the rest of your life with
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maybe the next decade occasionally some of you will get lucky um but just odds are do you know
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what i mean can we just be realistic here can we just be we're on a subscription model unfortunately
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Look, I didn't create this society, but I'm just being realistic.
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I even see like people in their 50s and 60s getting divorced nowadays.
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John says, having grown up in the church, I can tell you there's no difference between the world and the church, which is a shame.
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They use that Twinkie as much as non-Christians to get their way.
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Yeah, the number one rated reason for people leaving the church is hypocrisy.
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And they sell you a dream that this church is special and different.
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The bit that I think is troubling for Christians is the level of temptation that you have when you get on the apps.
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Girls are obviously posting, they're putting their best foot forward, which is not really their best foot forward.
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Yeah, so typically, sometimes, not all the time.
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Yeah, so now this is what the Christian guys don't understand.
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if you're going on a date with a woman you should want her to dress a little slutty with you
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like if she's covering up I'm gonna be that's not a good sign fellas no like okay if a girl's
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what she's trying to do if she's like covering up is she's trying to sell purity
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and so she views you as the provider like long-term guy like so you have to understand
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when women like the way we dress up it's not really based on our morals right you gotta
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we gotta stop acting like we have morals it's based on what we're trying to sell right so
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there's women that dress like complete sluts that maybe aren't they don't have a high body count but
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they like to get the resources bait like our whole nature is just deceiving men so
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at least if she's at least if she's getting naked you know sex is on the table or might be on the
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table you don't know right but i don't i i generally think like if a girl's going on a
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date and she's you know dressing a she doesn't have to it doesn't be crazy but showing a little
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more skin she's trying to be sexual with you i mean isn't that what you guys i know the christian
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guys they get bamboozled this is how this is this is how they get them because the women
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they never you'll notice that the Christian guys they never knew their wives in college ever ever
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it's like very convenient right so the women can come in and just say oh I did nothing and the guys
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you know look at his face he's just gonna believe it he's gonna eat that right up right and so what
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happens is then the women see them as like a provider long term not necessarily a bad thing
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but the thing is if she's using sex in the beginning against you to get what she wants
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there's a reason that the married christian women or husbands are the ones that like that
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are buying the only fans it's because they're teaching women to weaponize sex to get what they
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want right like do you know what's crazy my mother she told me in her high school she had
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like two people that had a shotgun wedding you know like two two in her high school they got
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teen pregnancy right guess who's still together to this day both of them and that's like wouldn't
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it make wouldn't you rather as a guy be the guy that she does it with on the first day or at least
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sooner than she normally would and it's not really a big deal as long as she doesn't leave it's like
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the leaving that does it right anyway so christian women they have a tendency to live in like fear
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they're always they want to be in in control and what they view they view religion as a way to
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absolve them from like a burden of performance as a woman and also at from um they use it to
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absolve them of anything going wrong so if i just wait till marriage you'll never leave me
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that's a pretty good deal, right? All I have to do is not have sex and do the bare minimum
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to get in the door. I don't have to try to be better in bed. I don't have to try to be a good
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cook. All I have to do is not have sex and you will never leave. That's a pretty good,
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it absolves her of a burden of competition right um and if as long as i just wait to have the sex
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then nothing can go wrong and so a lot of conservative women what you get is they're
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very like in fear of what could go wrong and they're very controlling
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now liberal women i you know the reason i go in so hard on the conservative i just know them
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really well. This is what I grew up around. Now, liberal women have their own set of problems,
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but I don't really hang out with them too much. Girls will post themselves in very immodest
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clothing and guys will, you know, do the same. They'll be shirtless on the beach with a beer in
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their hand or something. Pearl Reed. I was raised in a Plymouth Church or Plymouth Brethren Church
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church where women didn't speak during the service and wore mostly head coverings.
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And yet I still saw a woman divorce her husband for an old guy.
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I, yeah, again, it's nobody likes the uncomfortable truth of the burden of performance, right?
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And the uncomfortable truth is that women, we're going to get old and ugly and the men are going
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to want to have sex with the young women. And you're going to have to figure out how to keep
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him from doing that for a lifetime. And if he can get away with it, he's probably going to do it.
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That's, that's an uncomfortable truth where you have to be so nice to him that he doesn't wander.
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On the other hand, men, the burden of performance is if she can do better, she's going to do it.
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So you got to figure out how to be the best that she can do. Nobody likes these burdens of
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performance, right? They kind of suck. So we both try to kind of get out of it, right? Where the
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men, they're like, I want this virgin wife who will just never leave. If she's just a virgin
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and young, she'll never leave me. Boy, boy, boy, they'll do the same shit, same shit, different
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day, right? Where the women will say, well, if I just get this nice church guy, then I'll be in
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love with him forever. And that's what they do. They do that. We do our rationalization where
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we convince ourselves we love him um and we might for a little bit the way we like feel at the time
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but then you know you know we think that jesus cross posting is good enough instead of being a
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good wife she says i bet she'll have a list for him anyways i'll read this um
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uh let me see she's unattractive because of her attitude and the way she
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holds herself if we take that away she's maybe a five or a six
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uh because she's boring they're saying okay let's see what else we got
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look at the men are kind of generous they give us till 35 to find god maybe i could be a born
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again virgin next year i'll tell my boyfriend oh god he would never um the story of adam and eve
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is about showing discipline with new knowledge like children we cannot discipline ourselves
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on a dating app so damn i'm gonna shag all my matches you might as well like get this is the
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thing the only place you know men are the only creatures on this planet that they can convince
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them to do something that they get nothing out of. Like men are the ones who will take a job
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that they get nothing out of. Women will quit that job tomorrow and go follow our like passion,
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right? We'll just be like, ah, I mean, even me, I was in a sales job and I said, no, I'm going to
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be a YouTuber. And somehow it worked out. I don't know how, but it really did. Women don't follow
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my path, it probably won't for you. But if you want to learn how to do it, I do have it behind
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my paywall on my website. It's going to be everything you need to know about doing it is on
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there. But anyways, men with marriage, like they'll get a wife that looks like this and yeah,
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she's cute. And they'll get sex once a month, sometimes less. They'll get like one kid that
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hates them because the mom's always in her ear and they're like this is enough for me
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and but they don't ever think I don't know what it is men are just better creatures
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and they have this duty thing I get it I get it but sometimes I wish they had less of that because
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they create I mean it's not really their fault to be fair but it it adds to the problem right
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It just doesn't give the best impression, but I think that it kind of opens up a level of temptation, in my opinion, because you're able to look at people all day.
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Less than once a month. I talk to guys that would get it like once a year. Some went multiple years.
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And they didn't even cheat. It's like at that point, you might as well start cheating.
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You're able to look at what they look like. You're able to meet up with them if you want to.
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if you want to just dip your toe in the water, and I just think that is something.
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If you're struggling with that on dating apps, flee from that.
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God is not going to bless you, I don't think, if you're doing that.
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The Bible literally tells us that if Satan literally were to show up at your driveway,
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basically if he was to show up anywhere, that you're supposed to stand strong,
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that you're supposed to stand in the armor of God, that you're supposed to face him.
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But when the Bible talks about sexual temptation, it says flee.
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it says literally run away from there because our bodies we were designed for you know sexual
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attraction and only in the context of marriage and so when you see girls on a dating app or if
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you're a woman if you see guys on a dating app and you struggle with pornography like i used to
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struggle with pornography that kind of thing it's like a gateway even if you've never had that yeah
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so here's the problem so how does a guy have leverage now she's got a hundred percent control
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of sex if she's being a bitch he has to appease her because he can't even go watch corn he can't
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even it's like they just want men to take L's then the other thing is they say that sexual
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attraction isn't important and then they wonder like this is how the it when you start thinking
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about it it's so obvious how christian married men are the number one ones buying only fans
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and i've talked to the only fans models they'll tell you this you guys are targets i and it's
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because they just shame the male sex drive that's really what they do because they want the woman
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to be in control of the male sex drive can you imagine being so cucked you can't even watch
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corn in your own house and like you have to sleep with her even if she's being a yeah a bitch
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she before it just it triggers something that you are she's trying she's starting to reveal her list
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curveballs expand on that not supposed to have triggered and it can make it so that you either
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relapse or it could be a gateway into something way more and since you're in the privacy of your
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own home or wherever like she was saying you fazelle says my religion promises 72 virgins i
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said keep them for yourself i'm good with the mormons and white chicks i smash in real life
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i don't wait for heaven i live like a god now stare as long as you want because out on the
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street you can't just go you know staring down somebody that might be dressed immodestly i also
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think that unhealthy behaviors do develop when you're having people of the opposite sex just
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affirm you and compliment you all the time i think that that can become addicting oh yeah
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self-esteem can be based in that and i just don't think that that is a i don't think it's healthy
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oh 100 and it you know the last point that i was going to make before we start talking about the
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individual apps is that it is such a burden on your self-esteem it becomes such an addiction
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it becomes such a part of your life almost just like a social media imagine what social media
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does to you because a lot of people feel like instagram or facebook or whatever like kind of
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ruins your life imagine that except the only way that somebody follows you is if they find you
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physically attractive or think that you could be a potential mate yeah if
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god they just want men to get cucked like i swear to god you factor that in imagine how
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much more depressing it gets do you know what your wife defines you hot i don't know why
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isn't that kind of the bare minimum right you think that wow okay so nobody really wants to
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spend the rest of their life with me no one values me in that way your self-esteem gets
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tied up in it next thing you know you're getting notifications on your phone and you're literally
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like you have to stop whatever else you're doing because that just becomes such an idol in your
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life so now that we've discussed some of the dangers of being on dating apps i'm going to
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just give a brief rundown of my experience on these dating apps to tell you which ones are the
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ones that if you are going to if you're like listen sam say like i know that you guys are
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warning me but my mind is set or my heart is set like i'm going to do this i'm going to just tell
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you which ones you should actually bother trying first of all i will talk about tinder now tinder
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gets a really really bad rap and everybody will tell you oh it's just a hookup app it's just a
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hookup app and while absolutely it is predominantly a hookup app there are some i actually know a
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decent amount of couples that met on tinder i i'm not saying do it or don't do it recently i've heard
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a decent amount of couples scenarios i don't know how they started right maybe it started that way
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where it actually has worked out for people the reason that i will absolutely never recommend
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tender to anyone is because the temptation to do something other than what you set out to do
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as a christian on tinder is way too strong what's different between tinder and the others okay what's
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actually in just the creation of the app what's different well tender is much more about like
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for example pearl please make the simp stop i can't i can't no okay do you know what
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they can't help it they like men just have to go through it they have to
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some men are natural so that's not most i mean the same way women
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i mean we got to get our ego killed at some point i mean they make the pictures way bigger than any
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kind of bio or anything like that they're way less like you don't have to put in nearly as
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much information there's way more like ability to remain anonymous way more shallow minded way more
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it's way more shallow-minded for sure um part of the reason that i even tried it in the first place
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is because so many people are on the app that it keeps you think and by the way guys we're gonna
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do a call-in later so we're gonna um i want to know your experience if you've ever done christian
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like dating apps and what's that that's been like thinking that there is the possibility that
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somebody eventually that is the right person is going to show up it never happens just just a
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spoiler alert but there is so much temptation if you're a christian that i would stay very far away
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from tinder number two bumble tinder and bumble tend to be kind of the two you know really big
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names when it comes to dating apps bumble is a lot better than tender as far as people that are
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actually serious about finding a relationship i think typically from what i have found at least
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from the men's perspective is they're usually more like mid-20s kind of women that already
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kind of have a career figured out that are trying to kind of settle down so it's a lot more
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conservative it's still horrible and it will still end up leaving you probably feeling really really
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messed up the catch for bumble that's different than any other dating app is
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that the woman has to send yes the woman has to send the first message which
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becomes dangerous for guys I think because you're gonna be consuming that
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and your ego is just gonna be oh except that that's not what happens oh yeah
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she's so out of touch well i'll tell you i'll tell you right now that what generally happens
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and i've known multiple guys that have been on bumble is that girls will match just to get their
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self-esteem up and then they just never send a message and that happens about probably 90
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of the time bumble is definitely a better option than tinder but even still i would not give it a
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very high rating at all the next one that we're going to talk about is hinge that's i've heard
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the best things from hinge the last couple years hinge is probably the closest to an actual social
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media app that it could possibly get to because they will give you um they'll give you a bunch
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of prompts and then they'll give you a bunch of pictures they'll go through and say you know hey
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do you do you drink do you smoke what what are your beliefs they'll give you an option to say
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i'm a christian i see this is where the dating apps get wrong they're like
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you think you can get to women's beliefs by asking them
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you don't understand women you know we just say things we don't even know what we believe we
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believe one thing one day and one another it's like i'm looking for a woman with morals
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so you want a man so you're gay like you basically want a guy oh i'm buddhist i'm whatever so you can
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really know what you're getting yourself into i have to i have to think about this okay
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would most women about 500 years ago in like greece or something your choice as a woman
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you basically had to be a sex slave or go work in like the heat in egypt it was i have some
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outdoor job for years, right? Terrible, gruesome job. Do you think most women in that situation
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would just go be the sex slave? Frickin' we all would rather than work a grueling job for like 50
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years. I mean, I wouldn't want, it wouldn't be my first choice, but in that situation,
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when you think about it like that, women have situational morals. I mean, at some point in
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history women literally got killed by one guy and had to go fall in love with the next other
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otherwise we die this is what we had to do historically okay we were in our tribe we
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were hanging out we were in love with their husband we're like this is amazing what a great
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life i'm like tiki tiki it or whatever then one guy comes in and says i want this land and your
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guy says no you can't have this land he said too bad boom he gets your husband's dead and then now
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you have to sleep with the new guy and love him and be loyal to him and watch him kill your
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children and we had to do it that we literally had to do it otherwise we died and you want a
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woman with morals oh that's hilarious before you end up making a decision the the thing with the
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thing with hinge that makes it better to me than a lot of the other apps out
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there is that they'll give you prompts and you're able to actually react to a
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person's prompts rather than just say okay I'm just gonna swipe through this
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person's pictures so they might ask a question and then you can reply to that
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question and then depending on how you reply to that question they can decide
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okay do I want to contact this person back I think it inspires a lot more
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actual thoughtful conversation and it's a lot more like meeting on an Instagram rather than
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actually meeting on an actual dating app. I would say that probably the least horrible people
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that I have met during my time on dating apps were on Hinge and you know obviously none of it
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worked out but it was a much more positive experience feeling like yeah like okay I met
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person that was a nice person like it didn't work out but like it was a nice
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person then it wasn't like a horrible horrible experience so you would say out
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of all of these hinge is the best one because you have people going on there
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with the right intentions for the most part there's still obviously it's never
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gonna be a hundred percent but compared to bumble and tender hinge is the best
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to me i believe that it and i won't say it's the best yet because i have one more app that i want
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to talk about but hinge is definitely the least dating appy experience that you could get it's a
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very very good i think starting point if you are going to try a dating app i do not recommend that
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you do just for the record but if you are insisting that you're going to try one i would probably try
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hinge first so the final dating app that we're going to talk about is an app called upward now
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there are a pretty decent amount of christian dating apps out there and to be honest i think
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that they pretty much all stink and part of the reason for that is because there is number one
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a very very low number of people actually on those apps so if you did actually see someone
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that you think there might could be a connection with they're probably about a thousand miles away
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what about christian mingle christian mingle is i mean the positive advertisements on tv
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what about christian mingle oh man i love i love advertisements on tv they're always very truthful
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and accurate so that's probably a doozy too i i have no idea honestly christian mingle is much
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more like advertised towards people that are out of our not even middle age just you know
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yeah i'm getting brother sister vibes yeah i mean that's what you get if you want a brother
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sister vibe for a marriage. Good luck. Good luck. Okay. So next we're going to talk about a girl
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talking about how she met her husband on a Christian dating app. This is an opportunist
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on a Christian dating Christian men are like the most vulnerable group.
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Here we go. I actually met my husband on a Christian dating app. I used to be so against
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dating apps i wanted the typical rom-com story girl meets a guy i wanted a beautiful story to
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share to family and friends of how i met my husband i felt that going on a dating app just
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made me look desperate so i just didn't want to try any kind of dating apps until a family friend
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sat me down and explained a couple things to me that just made a lot of sense she said when you're
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in high school your pool of people to choose from or to date it's your classmates it's the students
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when you're in college your pool expands so you know it's thousands and thousands of students in
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college but as you get older your pool starts to get smaller and smaller maybe your pool is
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in church maybe your pool becomes your workplace as you get older your pool begins to get smaller
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and smaller so where do you go to meet other people your age that are single have to go where
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other singles your age are at and in my case I was in my early 30s and she said for you there
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online and so that just made sense right i mean it's nothing new but it did make sense so i tried
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several christian dating apps but there was one that i really liked and this one made me feel
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safe and i was on and off you know for about seven months until the end of april i got a message from
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someone named matt we messaged for several days by day five we had our first phone call two months
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after that uh we met for the first time in person three months after that he proposed god
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two months after that we got married you guys can't even wait like six months these guys are
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desperate this week three years of marriage we celebrate three years of marriage now i know
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there are some gross people online on dating apps even christian dating apps there are some good men
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too oh and then yeah i'm gonna call you a good man i got bad news for you fellas
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i got bad news for you i hate to say it but that basically means she sees you
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as a brother dating app that i used it's called holy oh yeah poor christian guys they just become
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targets we're going to do a call-in in a little bit i have two more tick tocks to watch or two
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more videos so then after that we're going to do a call-in okay i want you to think about before
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getting on the dating apps number one wait hold that for me okay five things i want you to think
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about before getting on the dating apps number one you still in a place or a season where you
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are surrounded by singles opportunities to meet people so easy to want to get on the dating apps
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because we're lonely in a season where you're 22 and you're surrounded by all these people at your
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church or where you're going about you don't need a dating app point of the dating app is to find
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people because you're in an environment where there's no longer people to date get plugged
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into a church find a hobby where you know young adults are and chase after it number two if you
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you got rejected by the boy you went on the date with from the apps would your worth be shattered
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do not get on the apps until you are secure enough in who the lord says about you so that even if
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this boy is like i don't want to date you again you're not swayed not affected because your worth
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is not going up and down based on what he thinks about you number three invite your closest people
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in invite community in and ask them to speak in you are not smart when it comes to wanting to
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date someone they might be able to point out blind spots that you're not aware of ask people to say
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am i spiritually emotionally and mentally able to handle the apps trust their wisdom yeah okay so
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this you got a woman trying to date like a teenager as an adult when you bring in the
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community and stuff that's cool if you're below you guys got till the end of college to do that
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but after then you got to think for yourself date for your i mean you can do what you want i just
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guys aren't really going to go for that john says pearl in new york verbal abuse is illegal so the
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best of luck enforcing boundaries as emotional abuse can mean anything for the bull poll around
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25 women are looking to suffer number four pray about it y'all i literally did not get on the apps
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until gosh like a month and a half ago and i legitimately was on the apps for one month and i
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went on three dates but i prayed about that for a while and i never felt like the lord said yes
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and finally i felt like he gave me the green light went on a few dates and it was fine but i was like
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man even if you don't like me whatever so i got on the apps when i was feeling the least confident
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in my body because i was wanting to challenge myself and be like i'm gonna go on these dates
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and I'm going to be me. I'm not going to pretend to be something that I'm not. I'm not going to
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arrive before I can date. I'm going in confident in who the Lord says about me, not on the way
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that I look. Number five, do not get on the dating apps if you are looking for validation or you're
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insecure. You go into a relationship insecure, you're going to be in a relationship insecure.
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No man, no relationship, no date will fix the God-shaped hole in your heart. Your security
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in confidence comes from the Lord. It will never be satisfied, even if you date the godliest,
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cutest guy on the dating apps. Dating apps, yes or no, be free.
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Okay. Next, we got, should Christians be on dating apps?
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all right now we're gonna put the zoom in the chat and then you guys can call in before i
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watch this but um so if you guys have an experience with christian like being a christian on dating
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apps or anything like that feel free to call in oh my gosh go
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christians beyond dating apps let's talk about it personally i see dating apps almost as like having
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an instagram account or any other social media platform we use the internet every day to connect
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with lots of different people dating apps i think can be a great way to connect with people that
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are also looking for the same things that you're looking for dating relationship future spouse
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whatever i don't think being on a dating app has anything to do with if you're a man of god or a
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woman of God or not, it all comes down to your heart. Ultimately, we should be inviting the
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Holy Spirit into our dating process and asking ourselves, okay, am I on this app because I'm
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bored, because I'm lonely, to fill a void, to pass the time? But if not, and you're genuinely just
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wanting to find your person, then I think dating apps could be a great tool. I've heard so many
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success stories of amazing, godly couples that have connected through a dating app.
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so she had a good experience I guess you cope since I went to the beach on a day
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no one would be there it was 9 a.m. and I went to sleep at 10 a.m. I wake up and
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there are three women within six of me six feet of me beach was empty one of
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them I spoke to and seven months okay Doug MPA how's it going what was your
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experience on dating apps with Christian women go ahead I don't know your your mic sounds a little
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weird today is that us or him it's gonna be him
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um let me bring on the next person or let me try again
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it just sounds really weird to me i don't know if it's my headphones or
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no if it's him try it let's let's bring in one more person and see if their mic is any better
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and we can put them on screen if you guys don't want to be on screen today
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and call and do a different show i don't know what to tell you
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um also guys please get to the point with your stories please don't draw down for like 10 minutes
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seems like Rob's having issues just go to the next
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i guess not we'll move on to the next one try doug mpa again
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So here's the thing about, I have recent history with women that are Christian on dating apps.
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Women, by the time they're in their mid-30s, they're set in their ways, and you can see that their religion is one of the reasons why they're keeping them single.
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uh she was born in america but she's a culturally ethiopian and she was now guys i'm in my mid 40s
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okay she was in her mid 30s like 35 and she went to church on thursdays saturdays sundays and went
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to bible study on monday right now she's 35 had some bs degree in something that wasn't going to
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make her any money and she fully expected to find a man to let her stay at home with children at 35
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and then she expected the man to join her church because it was very important to her
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so the man she was with would have to join her church and she's 35 and put her in a position
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to stay home and raise children first off i don't have any kids i don't want them so we were
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automatically not not compatible but but that's the experience of a lot of super religious women
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in their 30s they they have this expectation that you have to join their church their religion and
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the way that they see this whole god thing well it's super crazy because it's like christian
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women don't think they have to do any work other than go to church so she didn't have to get married
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didn't have kids to be a religious woman she just had to show up to church and read her bible like
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that's kind of the bare minimum do you know what i mean that's not it's not really difficult to do
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yeah i asked you that i said if you're so dedicated to your church what how are you single
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what'd she say she had no answer no real answer you know i had to travel you know i had i had
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school all this stuff but it's just like now you value i don't know she didn't have a good answer
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for him but she's holding every man she meets now to this high standard yeah they always think they
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can get what they got they could have got when they were 20. could you bring dustin in let's see
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what he has to say or or and then you know i uh i've been black on this planet for for over 40 years
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uh in the black community a lot of black women are are are married to jesus jesus is their man
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and no man in real life will ever measure up to him brutal hey dustin would you mind putting the
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phone down so we can get like maybe sit at a desk or something oh yeah yeah sorry it's all right
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it just makes the content a little better yeah so are you christian
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No, I'm actually Jewish, but I will be Christian on those apps, I tell you what.
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So what's your experience dating Christian women on the apps?
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There was, I downloaded that Upward, and I like how that guy's like on Hinge, you can
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Like if you weren't on Hinge, you wouldn't be reacting to what anyone says.
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But I met a girl on Upward, and she was this really beautiful Ukrainian Orthodox chick.
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And I started hanging out with her and her kids, and I thought it was going somewhere.
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And, you know, OK, like if you're ever on a dry street, single moms, that's where you head.
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I like this guy. I write down my schemes in a little book and I see if they work.
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And I was like, oh, I could see myself with this lady.
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and the problem with Christian women is that they say things like I want a man
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to lead me I want this but they don't want a man to lead them they want a man
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to lead them in the way that they want the guy to lead them so they really just
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want to be in control and they kind of you they they really use the Bible like
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oh the Bible says this so you can't do this and they pretend like they're gonna
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to withhold sex from you and then like the moment a christian chick says i'm waiting till marriage
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you're like you know you're gonna get it on like the third date like it's just this is how it goes
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and i did we did like i slept with her and then all of a sudden all these crazy uh
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what do you call them like crazy rules came into play that i had to meet and i was kind of like
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whoa like what happened the past three months like i was just taking care of stuff and you
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had no issue but then it was like what were some of the rules oh the one she broke up with me for
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was because i got a christmas tree i got like because i i have a three-year-old daughter and
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i'm all about making memories and uh so i got a christmas tree that was like three feet tall
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and she was like well that's a golden calf and i was like what's freaking wrong with you it's
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it's a tree dude so she broke up with me over a three-foot tree like i even took a photo of it
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holding it like a lightsaber and i was like this is really it you know and um that was one there
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was like i was okay with even paying for everything i was like you just like i will take care of it
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but um she had like there can't be a christmas tree in the house there can't be all these other
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are like religious symbols and just really odd things and um so that that just didn't work out
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but uh it's all good you know like plenty other women where that came from can you give me some
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examples of how she didn't want to be led you said earlier that they want to they say they want to be
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led but then you try to lead and they just want to be led in the way they want to be led
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yeah so it was like here's the thing uh hang on um okay uh she goes i need a bigger car
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and i say okay well i'm gonna get this volkswagen atlas because this is a good family car and i do
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want to have another kid i get it and she's like well i wanted more of like a hyundai palisade with
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an extra row and i was like yeah well i'm the guy i'm leading so this is what i say that we need
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oh well that's that okay and then it's she wants a house so we're looking at houses and i'm like
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well i want a house in this location because of the school district because of this and she goes
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well i don't agree with that so i want it over here and i say whoa like if you want this peaceful
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life like you should have no stress like you need to i'm going to take care of everything
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and you're going to live within these parameters like this is how you will operate if you don't
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want distress that i have to deal with then you need to like just let me take care of it and um
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that just she just wanted i was to lead as long as i was spending the money the way she wanted
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as long as everything was in her plan like i i was only uh like a bank account so you said you
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said that you're actually jewish but you just pretend to be christian dude just on a dating
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app just on a date yeah when do you like tell them oh well they go they go they go so what do you
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think about jesus i'm like well i think he's a cool guy but he's not like real like he's real
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in the spirit like god's real everyone believes in god because he's real spirit yeah i'm taking
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those guys keep talking if everyone believes in god because if god wasn't real none of us would
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be talking about so he has to be real and i guess it's like a psychopathic thing because i know what
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women mean when they're like what do you think about jesus you know i'm like well jesus is great
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and he's probably he might have been a real guy but he didn't like rise from the dead and if a
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woman says what do you mean by that i say yo to get convicted of murder you need three witnesses
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3 000 years ago two guys say they saw that and you're going to believe it it doesn't make any
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sense so that's just that's what i say about jesus does that ever deter them uh there was
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there's like been two that were like well you're not the one for me but usually they don't ask
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that question until it's like the deed's been done you know are you kind of hold off on answer
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so one of my biggest problems is um it's hard for me to just sit there and let women talk
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but like nowadays especially on dating apps like i'm 33 like i usually it usually gets to the
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bedroom on the first or second date so i don't have to listen to him talk for very long and um
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but if if they're gonna blab on about that i'm like look this is not worth my time
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and then it's just see you later and like i have a kid and i'm trying to have another kid
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so i'm like i'm trying to get through women and uh if they're just blabbing on about their life
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i think there's certain stories women tell that they need to have female friends for
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and i don't want to hear those stories you know the criteria for those stories so because i always
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say this is doug mpa by the way uh the female friendly version of the story is where they're
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i do so much for everyone yeah that's how i ended up with my daughter dude
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i wrote in a book in high school i said i want to get the hottest chick i find pregnant
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but i want her to be so crazy she ends up in jail so i don't have to deal with her
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but she was not crazy enough so we just made a really awesome kid and now i'm
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uh you know doing the whole child support thing that is cool it's just so do you want to get
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married and have a kid oh hell yeah that's the only way to do it again like yeah i mean i don't
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know if that is the only way because i listen to pearl and she's like marriage is not good
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like you're not that but like it it's uh it's stacked against guys which it totally is like i
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was pro se in court so i know it's really hard but um i think like we need to put our values in the
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right places and that's what religion is like a glue i think so i'm gonna ask you another question
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different and what you're looking for in the next
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dinner and she doesn't know what to eat I'm like
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don't talk i'm ordering for you she's just fine with it like she's she's if she's very decisive
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and when she's not decisive i don't wait for her i just order for her and she just eats it
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and doesn't complain and i'm like this is a good woman as a good woman the bar is so low
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that's all we got to do oh yeah yeah i was like all right uh i have so because i want a woman who's
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who and i'm still trying to trying to quite define this but i want a woman who's who's literally on
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my team you know what i'm saying because yeah i always say when men win everyone wins when women
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win they win for themselves so i want a woman who's on my team and odds are your first baby's
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mother was never on your team it's so right i actually wrote about that um like i don't think
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you men should go to therapy you need to write figure out what like learn from yourself and i
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put like you want a woman that's in your corner you want someone rooting for you and women don't
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know how to root for men and they don't even know how to root for each other because i mean pearl
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when you were in high school and girls tried to give you advice how many times did you take it
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it well yeah never yeah the women don't even listen to each other yeah the thing about this
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whole being on your team thing it's like you can't even quite quantify like what it actually
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means but you know it when you have it you know what i'm saying yeah you you could just tell when
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a woman's on your team and you could tell when she's not i have a i do have a rule when i'm
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dating that by the i say like i will pay for everything up to like three or four dates if
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she's really sweet and then um i tell them i'm like look like i want to know what you would do
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for me and that's what the girl i'm dating now i'm like if you don't do something for me in the
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next two months i'm gonna move my mom in and i'm gonna not talk to you anymore and she was like
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lol okay and she told me she was gonna plan a date for me this week but she hasn't so i don't
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know i might be uh i might be having a roommate soon yeah dude women uh i think you do need a
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woman on your team and a good woman will know you and she'll she'll definitely put the effort forth
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and say like hey like i got your back yeah i'm single so maybe don't take advice from me i'm
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single okay well thank you so much for calling in dustin you're pretty funny so call in whatever
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okay all right thanks all right yeah i'll be bluey um who you can put in
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i'm gonna give you robert are you there i'm gonna give you another
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five four three two one you're out you guys gotta come in ready all right i at least you
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gotta give you something all right who's next let me see the the waiting room all right do uh jackson
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oh oh gabe's there okay gabe i need camera on mike on
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hello yeah yeah so what's your here how's it going nice tie you came in dressed to impress
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huh i wore this in school today so yeah oh nice so um tell me what's your experience
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are you are you christian let's start look pearl are you christian
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i uh was baptized catholic as a baby i wasn't really ever raised religious but to get
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straight to the point like towards the end of like the 14 years that i wasted on dating apps
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I tried to filter out like Tradcon girls and yeah, didn't see anything compared to keeping filters open or whatever.
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um i went on one speed dating event one time in person and the last guy that you were talking to
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i thought he was really funny because yeah i lied about basically being religious which
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i wasn't really at the time okay and so what was your experience dating religious women
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or christian women were they any different i've never dated anyone religious but like
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i can think back to a couple times when i um met girls that would say that they were like christian
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and even back when i was a lot more naive when i was younger i always felt like i could see past
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their bs based on basically how they would basically walk around like a thirst trap or
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would hear later on that oh yeah cindy you know was doing 304 activities like with
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brad or whatever i'm just throwing like examples out there i'm not
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name those those aren't real names of people i'm just improvising i honestly
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is that something well played no that makes sense so you always kind of knew that they're
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full from a young age yeah i mean it's tough because i've always been told even being raised
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by liberals and feminists like you should go for a religious girl you should go for
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For a girl like the Duggars or whatever, stuff like that, which, I mean, to me, even as embracing Catholicism again in life, I just feel like, hmm, I don't know if I really like them as an example, which, I mean, that's my, but it is what it is.
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bye-bye all right bye the next one we got in the queue is gonna be well thanks for calling gabe
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it's a pleasure as always all right we got jackson next how's it going jackson
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i can hear you perfectly okay excellent excellent first time calling in um
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well thanks for calling are you do you have the video playing in the background
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they do let me turn it off okay is that better yeah that's better okay there we go yeah so are
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you christian i am i'm a bible believing christian um and i have been using the dating apps for quite
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some time what i would say in a word is christian women on the dating apps are super picky that's
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the first uh adjective that comes to my mind like they are it's really really hard to set
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up a date with them i've noticed like the same hypergamy stuff that we always talk about on
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other dating apps and all that just applies as full force or possibly even more with the christian
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dating apps um like like i found that i had to really learn how to even text them because you
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have to text them a very specific way like if you if you use too many exclamation points or emojis
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or something like that it can come across as feminine and stuff and i had to and i still am
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by no means any kind of expert on it but i i still uh have learned to text a little bit better than
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better than i used to and i've been able to get you know more dates than i have in the past but then
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i also find the second thing besides it being just super pit them just being super picky to get the
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date in the first place i find that they catfish a lot um like i i've noticed a lot of them are a
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lot heavier than they look in their profile pictures like taking photos of just like now
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i know it's a huge red flag if there's no like full body shot of them standing somewhere or
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something like that the modesty is more convenient rather than out of virtue it doesn't count if you
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don't have a hot body yeah yeah well exactly right sorry what camera angles they take their pictures
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at be if they only take pictures where it's like up above them a little bit coming downward or you
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know the certain angles where you you can't see their double chins and stuff exactly right you
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gotta watch out yeah yeah i i i've i've been on on several dates where that's the case um then
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another thing I find is that that the thing that Pearl always talks about which is the I'm
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traditional except I'm really not like I was on a date with this woman a few weeks ago actually
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from a dating app from Hinge who said she was a Christian and she may be a Christian I personally
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definitely believe you can genuinely be a Christian and yet not have some things right and
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that sort of thing. So I'm not saying she isn't a Christian, but she was saying that like, oh,
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I'm traditional. And so I said, you know, that that's interesting. What do you mean by that?
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And she was like, well, I mean that I'm a Trump supporter. I'm like, oh, okay. That that's a good
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start. But what would, and like, I asked her the classic question of, cause she had this career
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she wanted to do. What if your husband wanted to you to not do that, to be a stay at home wife? Oh,
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no I would never do that yeah and like yeah that's short-circuited when you asked her that
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exactly right exactly right does she realize Amber Rose is a Trump supporter yeah yeah yeah
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I mean that's that that's true but but I I do think I do think most would like I'm not saying
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you're you're you're not wrong there are Amber Rose Trump supporters out there I do think most
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women like that like Amber Rose are probably not Trump supporters but yeah that's that's the case
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I've found and then the worst time ever um what just because it was the most painful to me is
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I actually did find a woman on Upward the dating app we're talking about I'll just I'll just name
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the app um who we went on a few dates and it felt like a match made in heaven honestly like
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I've never met to this day another woman who at least from everything I could tell
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with me aligning our values and what we like to do and our life plans including in some rather
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unique ways about myself we seem to align absolutely perfectly and this this won't
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surprise pearl at all but she just cut everything off for with basically no explanation she just
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sort of canceled all of a sudden um and so yeah i mean this is all so all she's probably married
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sorry she's probably married i don't i don't think she's married but she it was another guy
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that she ended up going out with after this um so you're on the right track uh there she wasn't
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married fortunately but anyway the um all this to really say is that in my in my personal
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experience what pearl talks about regarding christian women not being any different than
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just women in general it just it just i mean i i i would have i hate to believe that that's true
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but that's what i experience on a day-to-day basis if that makes sense i'm gonna ask you a question
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is there uh are you in your 30s 40s i'm 32 almost 33 yeah so is there a red flag age where a woman
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is at a certain age and she says she's a christian because you know me i'm in my 40s and if a woman
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says she's she she's a christian in her 30s but she's never been married and she doesn't have any
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children i'm like wait what's going on here like it's kind of a red flag so that but yeah i'm not
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religious not even close sure so sure gotcha gotcha so i don't quite look i see what you're
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asking i don't look at it quite that way um by the way interesting fact about me and this is not this
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is not typical of christians especially more conservative christians like myself but i've
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never really personally desired to have kids i've definitely always desired to be married
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um at least in the biblical sense not necessarily talking about state marriage that's a whole other
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discussion good man but but but um i again i'm not saying i'm completely closed to that if that's
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god's will for my life so it's not a it's not i definitely you know i'm completely closed to that
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either but what here but to answer your your actual question for me what is more important
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than the age i see where you're going with the age i really do but what i ask when a woman says
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she's a christian is well what do you mean by that explain tell you tell me what a what a christian is
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um and why you are and how you became one and that sort of thing and i i've had some good when
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you ask that question yeah absolutely absolutely do you have do you have an idea in your mind that
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yeah i believe oh is there is that a question where in your mind you have an idea that there's
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a right answer yeah and a wrong answer for for sure for sure what would be the right answer
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i come from a school of thought called uh free grace theology which is we believe salvation is
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completely by God's grace. So that's another reason I think some of these Christian women
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who are doing things I think are wrong still may actually be Christians, which doesn't mean their
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behavior shouldn't be called out, obviously. But that's where I go with that. I see how closely
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or not closely they align with that. So for me, that's personally more important than the age
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they became but i'm also not saying you're you are on to something right like you do want to make
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sure this isn't just the the woman's latest social club or something like that so i i do agree with
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where you're coming in the chat the the last stop on the horror train is always the the church
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that the last stop that that may be true but but i here's the the point is even if the
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actually did become a christian that that doesn't make her a a good good wife material is just where
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i'm going yeah smart man so yeah smart man and then one more question so uh you you're on christian
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dating apps now i have yeah is your experience on a christian dating app uh vastly different than
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regular dating apps? Not really. I mean, the one thing I will say is that that is a little
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different is years ago back on Tinder, I did occasionally get some women who would send me
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just some, you know, overtly sexual message. And I honestly don't even think a lot of them were even
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trying to hook up with me. I think they were actually just kind of trolling and that sort of
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thing or some of them could have even been bought accounts I don't know I haven't encountered that
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as much on Christian dating apps but as far as just the you know the the getting them to go
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them being super picky it's it's I think the same thing like like an analogy I thought of
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is a lot of women will say you know I'm in my 30s where are all the good men all I've ever wanted is
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to be married and in many cases have kids they'll say in that kind of thing and it's a little bit
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to me like, you know, when I was, when I was going to college, my, my grand, I wanted to go to the
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University of Texas at Austin. That was my dream school. But my grandfather said, no, that's too
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expensive. You have to go in state because I happen to live in Colorado. So I went to Colorado
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State. I mean, can you imagine if I had refused to go to Colorado State and said, all I ever wanted
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was to go to college? I mean, that's what I feel like a lot of these women are doing, if that makes
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sense yeah completely yeah and i i had a blast at csu like i i i i did i wasn't even that like
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disappointed i was just thankful to get to go anywhere it's just that uh that analogy is always
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stuck in my mind so yeah is your is your church is your church try to facilitate uh a christian
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relationship they have a singles ministry or anything like that they don't not really i go
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to other places for singles ministries. My church is just a very small Bible church where there are
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there are a few people might there. First of all, it's not a very big church in general. There are
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other people my age, but my friends are married. And I've been to I've been to secular singles
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meetups as well. Like Jigsaw is in a lot of cities. That's another thing. But you have to be
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just like like one thing pearl is just absolutely right about that i don't that i i would even argue
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it's unbiblical the way they do it but that's a theological discussion is the way a lot of
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christian women will shame male sexuality like that's something i had never heard anyone really
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talk about that until i i found pearl's channel and her saying that it's like wow finally somebody
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else noticed that yeah pearl has a special kind of passion when she talks about tradcon horse
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it's the best i grew up around them they drive me nuts the best of pearl comes out when she's
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talking about that well thanks so much for calling in jackson um i appreciate yeah calling
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anytime i'll talk to you i'll talk to you guys later yeah cool bye all right that was a great
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caller very concise i love it when they come in and they just have these are the mr boots he he
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said that that the jackson sounds very very intellectual and and that might intimidate
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the women that he goes out with this guy in the chat said that yeah and i could see that happening
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yeah he's very logical yeah because we like the like if you get we're not logical creatures so
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we're like what well and then these these chad con women in the church just expect men to be
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idiots yeah um okay hey charles how's it going i think it's frozen
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oh where'd he go no he's gonna he's got up and left come back charles
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charles are you there all right well we'll try charles see if we can
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it kind of it kind of puts the show on hold if we're waiting for you guys to figure out the zoom
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um there's a way to test before you guys come in okay we can try charles one more time
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i can see if either of them figure it out okay okay now i it all right charles unmute
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yeah i can unmute you're muted so i can see you you just go to the corner
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it should be bottom like left corner okay now he's off mute are you there charles yes i am
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there he is there he is how's it going charles i'm doing good how are you guys i'm good so what
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is your are you a christian so i'm a christian i'm uh i've not done the dating app thing but i can
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tell you about churchy entity women um it's funny i'm i'm divorced i'm 60 years old currently thank
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god i have a girlfriend that's 49 and i get sex every day so i'm happy
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no wonder he's got that smile was your ex-wife like super christian we did the whole typical
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christian marriage thing with your ex-wife well no so she wasn't my ex wasn't christian
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she was a psychiatrist psychologist and there it is but um but i had the um i had the withholding
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for like two years from her before my divorce so um god's being good to me now but i'll tell
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you all the women in my church though it's like born again uh single moms come in and get their
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born-again virginity you know they get baptized and then they get their virginity and these simps
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like are are all over them like like white on rice it kind of i i go to these bible studies and i tell
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guys don't do it you're you're headed for problems um but the simpidemic is real and i wish i could
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get it through to guys uh you know 50 and younger like you know go for it when you know don't buy
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into the bs and the um the stuff they preach in church is absolutely insane you're you're right
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about the pastors and you're right about the the band people they all walk around like they own
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the place and and the youth ministers too oh yeah i forgot about them like like they are it's brutal
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it is absolutely brutal and um pearl i love what you do but uh the christian the christian
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conservative women are a whole group unto themselves that the woke women are out of
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their minds and you can tell by the laughter what that they're woke and just go the other way
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i always say because remember nature market nature marks its most poisonous things and
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with odd shapes and like weird colors so feminists and all them you you can catch them by their
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purple hair and that like septum piercing and stuff but these fake trad cons they look like
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everybody else so they're hard to spot it's amazing and they blend right in and i don't know what it
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is but like society falls for this tradcon thing like it's absolutely mind-numbing the the fact
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that men are so willing to give up the ghost for anything um i i don't know you know if you're
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stoic and you're a guy and you can take the seven seconds or seven breaths to slow things down a bit
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you're going to save yourself a lot of trouble in this world so um what age what age do you see
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are the men that fall for it the most do you find them to be young guys boomers millennials
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they're either really young they're sort of the 19 to 25 range or they're the the 40 to to 35 range
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okay um those are the guys in the 25 to 35 range i think they still get enough of their game and
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they're kind of like um they've started making money for the first time they've got property
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they've got some things maybe and they they kind of um i don't want to say it they have the
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independence and enough stuff to be like no i don't need you um if they go that that that time
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uh to say like 35 to 40 years old um and they've been divorced or whatever they just become
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desperate and the tradcon women they're like sharks in a feeding frenzy nowadays it's it's
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insane so so i would because pearl and i we were talking about this earlier it's there's kind of
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no in between so a divorced guy either becomes a red pill demon or just gets desperate and just
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simps all over the place oh yeah and i'll tell you red pill demon works like i've had more women be
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like oh yeah i teach yoga right so i i i kind of i kind of get a lot of exposure out there
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and they're like oh well i'm not going to talk to you anymore i'm like fine good go see ya
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and that that makes them insane they lose their minds they lose their minds it's like
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if you if you can if you can not simp and not follow after them they'll they'll chase you but
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uh so you said that there's a there you said that there's a church it's a step daddy pipeline
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oh yeah absolutely god so so so let's play hypothetical let's say um i'm a a 24 25 year
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guy who just graduated with a degree in like mechanical engineering or chemistry or something
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and i'm just starting starting with my career i'm in the church and you see the vultures of
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the the single mother just hovering around this young guy who has who has a potential
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what would you say to that young guy run run the single moms the single moms will give it up on
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the first date and then they will guilt him into like being a father to their child and the simp
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guys they're done they'll they'll introduce him to the kids like right after they have sex with
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them just to hook them in and then it's they're they're done i would tell those guys run stop
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going to church stop going to church or do church online where you're not going to be exposed to uh
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to this stuff because it's, it's crazy. And the dating apps, you know, when I got divorced,
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I did the dating apps and, you know, like I said, I'm 60 and I'm in fairly good shape and I,
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I take care of myself. Um, I would purposely not put a picture up there to just get treated like
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shit and um see who hung around or who talked and it's it's insane you know i'm not gonna lie uh
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there are a lot of of women that think way too highly of themselves i showed up on more meetups
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and saw like a four foot two 500 pound woman get out of a car and just drove away
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You know, it's sad, but they think they are, I don't know, they think they're entitled to this thing.
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And I make good money. I have a, I'm retired, you know, I made six figures.
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I'm, I don't understand the disparity between what women feel they're entitled to and what men think they're entitled to.
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um men are just desperate and society breeds this simpism if you want to call it that like
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where they feel like they have to take whatever they can get right if you you know so
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um yeah any questions or anything no i agree with you i'm like i don't know what to add
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do you have anything real quick so so what is the most common weapon because i'm still
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stuck on this church okay to to step daddy pipeline just it's just blowing my mind over
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here so what is so what are some of the typical tactics that these women use or say i think i
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think they do the church thing to find the simps and then it's it's sex the single moms will just
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give it up oh really thank you all it takes for some that's all it takes for a simp i mean think
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about the things you've talked about you know i was going to say some like intricate intricate
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plan to like capture capture the guy like wiley coyote trying to get the roadrunner or something
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but you're saying literally give it up all she has to do is put out oh that's so depressing
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it is it is you know 304 is a 304 whether you dress up in church clothes or not so
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well thanks for calling in i appreciate it yeah no thank you
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yeah go ahead sorry no thank you you're great i love listening to you and i point so many guys
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in your direction to get clarity so keep doing what you're doing thanks so much thank you you
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too bye bye tell your 49 year old girlfriend we said hi that's the face that's the face of a man
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dating someone 10 plus years younger and getting it on the regular yeah they just smile more you
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know that's that smile right there um let's see we got we can do it's nine o'clock let's do one
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more caller you want to pick doug mpa i can't see the list oh okay then i guess i'll pick i'll do
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you're muted jim he kind of mute got it how are you i'm doing good nice to meet you nice to meet
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you so what is your experience dating church women and are you christian i am i am so i used
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to be a worship leader for 15 years and uh it it has been an interesting uh few years one dating
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in the church and dating leadership and accompanying the uh the not only the stress but the risk of
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dating in church and for it to go bad you know such as first dates and uh unfortunately i had
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the experience of it actually going bad a really bad first date and she had said hey i didn't
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consent to what we did afterwards even though that was regret and it actually yeah it it forced
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me out of the church so i went from washington dc so now i live in fort lauderdale and uh i live a
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much, much more fruitful and full of life now being out of the church and dating out of the
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church than I did back in D.C. So you guys hooked up after the date and she said she didn't consent.
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Yeah. Was there on the first date? On the first date. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was like a right away
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thing or was it like a slow burn kind of thing where she had to think about a couple of days or
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couple of weeks and then it it was actually it was if you want to share it's fine it's probably
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really bad but it's cool it was pretty quick it was uh within about 48 hours and i mean this girl
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invited me back to her place and you know her friends had left to leave us alone and you know
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i wasn't pushing for anything but afterwards i had realized okay someone in my position like
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has to be very very careful dating in the church and seeing what that looks like um you know uh
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on that you know things went relatively negatively you know i tried to handle them the best that i
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could uh the church actually really defended and stepped up and made sure that i was protected
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uh you know and also the church was protected as well uh but it really goes to this this was an
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area that i i didn't i had not seen coming so i would say you know if you're dating in the church
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and you have a lot of your friends in the church um it's certainly something to think about and
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possibly even something to talk about you know coming from the male side of the fence so what
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happened the next like how quickly did she accuse you of that was it like immediately or was like
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Like, did word get around and she got embarrassed?
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Or, like, did you tell someone and, like, it went around?
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Did it, like, divide the church in half or something?
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I'll tell you what I found personally, and you can tell me if this matches.
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I found that a lot of times if the guy tells someone,
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he kind of shoots himself in the foot because women are fueled by their reputation.
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And so if you make them look bad, you, like, their hell has no fury.
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not like a woman scorned it's like a woman who looks bad um so was that what happened or what
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did something else happen so I didn't say anything I mean when I dated her I was 32 33 years old so
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you know it it it you know it's not in my best interest to go right you know yeah down and tell
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people uh it it came from her and she says listen I don't consent to what we did can we be friends
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and you know this was back when i was really involved with cory wright wayne and really
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involved with red pill how you don't be friends with women and now i believe something totally
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differently uh however i'm like no we can't really be friends after what we did it's kind
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of hard to back off and she went crazy really brought up the leadership the entire church got
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involved and uh yeah i was told you know don't reach out to her let things go let's pull you
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out of ministry for a while and that was a six month long process and i just had started going in
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uh back into like uh choir etc at that point i had decided okay you know what maybe maybe
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washington dc dmv where i grew up is not the place for me and now i am so much happier in the dating
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seen being down in Fort Lauderdale. What changed? Did you find that women were of better quality
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when you dated outside of the church? Was it leaving the church period? I think probably
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the answer to both of those questions is yes. I'm flying down in Fort Lauderdale. There's a lot of
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lack of commitment. So it's easier for me because I've dated in the church all of my life. And now
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that i'm out of the church i'm like i gotta learn a whole lot about latina women i gotta learn a
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whole lot about women in general um because you know they're they don't play down here um you
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know you have if if your shoes are on the wrong foot or your belt is the wrong color like you're
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done you know you know the getting your figure right is it's step one of dating them down in
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church uh fort lauderdale because of how many options both women and men have
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well they always say you know the red pill it doesn't get you don't swallow it it gets
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shoved up your behind a lot of times and that's what happened to you man i'm glad you you made
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it out free and clear man because false accusations are no joke man no no no joke you had to learn the
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hard way wow yeah i was driving down to dc wondering if i was going to get arrested like
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you know this girl thought i you know did this girl think that i had you know big art her like
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what you know which is not what happened at all we both consented to what we did but that's not
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consent that's regret and you know i i wish her the best i hope you know everything goes goes well
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on her end um on that side you know um so there's that you know like i've dated on upward i've dated
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on bumble i've dated on hinge you know they're out in dc there's not there's not a lot of options
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uh and dc dmv it's really all about getting married um so there's a whole lot of pressure
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on both sides of the fence um i myself used to be a massive simp uh you know i always believe
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women when they say oh i'm just this pretty little you know damsel in distress like i used to believe
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that um i grew up with my dad crying himself to sleep on match.com when dial up was a thing like
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that's the kind of upbringing that i had around women and i still have a long way to go like down
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in fort lauderdale i realized a lot of the problem is me and my being scared of women but you know uh
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you know given off of duh like look what you went through but you know i'm 35 now like i've got to
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figure it out so what other patterns did you see because you said you were in that church for like
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12 years or 15 um multiple churches in that church specifically for three years
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good question so uh one of the big things i noticed is that there uh there there was a lot
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of focus yes to get married but there was also a lot of private things that go on in the background
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like there was they say one thing but they really do another thing behind closed doors
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and me coming from the church side of the fence like hey if i love jesus i love jesus like i'm
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you know going to stick to that and that comes with hey let's wait for a while or let's wait
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till marriage a lot of the waiting until marriage stuff like they hit that really hard and i really
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love what you said earlier uh you know like how much control they exhibit when it comes to sex
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or the and it comes to affection because it's so it's so disarming to a man when they hear that
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and it's not typically it's not like hey don't kiss me don't kiss me now not don't kiss me ever
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you know when you're out on a first date with a girl it's like you haven't really gone through
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the right steps to get to that point where but when you're dealing with christian women
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it's like you know it's they they hell sent it you know as far as you know i don't do this until
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i'm married i don't do that until i'm married when really you do need some of those experience
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to identify hey are we compatible or is there some things that i need to know before deciding
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hey i'm going to do this or not what did you see in terms of like the dating culture like did you
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see women sharing men in church did like you ever see the single mother the pastors you know like
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what did you see did you see the the church to step daddy pipeline like the last guy said
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good question so um i i you know i i didn't see a whole lot of single moms um in the the smaller
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church that i i spent a lot of time with um but there certainly was dating is was still it wasn't
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really thought out in the church and i don't really think it is as a whole it's it's something
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that's more of an afterthought and then when stuff bad happens the church is reacting towards them to
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hopefully fix them you know one of the big things when i was involved deep in the church was like
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hey I wish someone would teach guys how to do this right so they're not so feminine when they
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approach women because women are forced to be men nowadays especially in in church and you know I
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I did I did notice I didn't notice a lot of sharing of men like when you date a girl in
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the smaller churches you pick one and then after that you can't like talk to another girl for six
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months or it's typically seen as oh you're a player you're a guy who wants to get around
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um when the bigger churches what's the hold up if it didn't work you might as well move on
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like six months like they don't want you to especially especially with the man to
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with the male the female ratio in the church yeah like how is he gonna get married if he's
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got two chances a year you got two shots a year yeah yeah that's that that's how it was it was
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really seen negatively from a social perspective to date around um and the the smaller church i
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was a part of really instilled the guys asking but you couldn't ask out two girls in the same
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week because they're all talking to each other right you know and so it was uh dang if i do
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dang if i don't you know if i pick the wrong girl darn it i'm done for six months and it just got to
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the point where i'm like why am i trying to do this in the church like what's you know what's
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really the purpose because i do want and i'm in a long-term relationship single now you know dating
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around but at the same time i you know i i think the current method on how things are i think things
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need to be more purposeful and we don't have married couples trying to teach single guys how
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to date actually teach you know they can't you do you know what these married guys are doing this
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market they'd be by themselves they have no idea if we don't in in the church we expect they like
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they're like court her you're like these girls are getting like banged out in college man you
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can't court these yeah yeah I don't I don't she's got a kid man like sorry go ahead I tried I try
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to avoid you know as much as I love single moms you know if you have any of those listeners you
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know I love you but you know it got me in my 30s like I try to avoid that because at the end of the
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day it is you know the the kid is going to be first and I'm going to be second or third and
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everything's going to revolve around the kid and you know it's a decision that was made and you
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know i support it there are guys out there who make great second or third fathers you know support
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that but at the same time that's not really what i'm looking for you know um i don't know if i want
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a kid right now but at the same time you know i i shouldn't feel like i have to choose that early on
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hey yeah yeah i have to um i have to you know say immediately yes i'm okay with a kid in the picture
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did they ever sum it up and just say it's just not your problem man that's it yeah it's not your
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problem did they ever try to force like single mothers or subpar women on you where they're like
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like trying to get you to ask out or date women that you're just like no no no the tactic is now
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you're getting older now you might have to accept this or you might have to accept that because
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you're getting older you've heard that before right yeah yeah no i i i was never forced to
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coerced or or requested to date a specific girl um i've had girls in the church you know set me
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up with their friends and um sometimes those went well sometimes those you know didn't um you know
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however you know i i think i think at the end of the day the best thing that you can do is realize
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when it comes to you know if you don't interact with women and actually 40 of guys today don't
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interact with women at all they've never approached a girl you know like if you realize
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you know the awkwardness that some guys may express a lot of that is on you and you have to
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fix that um if if you realize hey i have to fix that i have to make a decision to do so and you
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start working on it you know you'll find that holy crap there's no competition at all between a
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masculine man and a woman out there who wants to be approached especially out here at fort lauderdale
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like a lot of it is location and also a lot of it is hey confidence um and when i found that
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out i'm like oh wow i absolutely have to take action here um because i you know i'm getting
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in my mid-30s you know i may look i may look uh 29 30 right now but that's not gonna last forever
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it's okay we love a little gray we love the gray and wrinkles you guys got forever
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um yeah no that that's interesting though the that i i'm sorry to hear about the false accusations
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too bad but it seems like something good came of it right you seem happier now i i am i am i'm
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realizing there's a lot of growth that i still need to do on my side of the fence and you know
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hope she finds solace um because you know at the end of the day i i don't want anybody to go through
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what i had to go through um you know the the just the torture the turmoil the cell like there's no
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doubt there's trauma that i'm working through that like where did i go wrong with this girl
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and trying to date other women for at least a year like i'm scared i you know and it's still a little
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have been on the back burner being afraid of women um i'm working on but you know at the same time
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like if i let it affect me the only person that's going to harm is me like you know i i don't want
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to be eternally watching porn all the time you know i don't think i don't think i deserve that
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i think i deserve to be around someone who wants you know who wants to express herself just as much
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as i do uh but at the same time it's uh it is harder for christian men and christian women
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because of just how high the pressure is all around from social to you know from a religious
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standpoint how much they pressure their people to hey you you got to do this this is what christian
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people do yeah yeah do you have a ring camera now i i do i do have a ring camera blink cameras
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yeah yeah i was like just in case i'm saying you better be filming everything yeah well you can't
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Have them sign a contractual document each time.
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Or if you get a ring camera in the living room leading up, that's not illegal.
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you know it's hard enough making a woman feel comfortable you know when you're trying to make
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yourself feel comfortable at the same time and then you just here's an nda yeah yeah good luck
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you just be like it's like she starts hooking up the living room's like wait
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because there were these there were these three um football players for some school and they had
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these two girls back at their house and one of them just tried to say that she had a train ran
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honor and um that the guys pulled out their phones and were like hey you're you're okay doing this
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right and the ladies like well why why are you having me do that because our coach said that we
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need to film girls saying yes before we have sex with them did they do it did yeah and that's what
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got him out of it oh nice because a girl like a girl that night accused him and they had this
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phone footage where the girl said i i'm okay with doing this wow yeah but then the coach got in
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trouble because the guys said that the coach told them to do that so the coach ended up getting
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fired the guys got off the accusations but then the coach ended up getting fired
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wow yep wow but you know i'll tell you at the end of this the catfishing is all
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whether you're in the church you're out of that's everywhere huh it's absolutely everywhere i mean
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i'll tell you that the the great experiences i actually found personally was through upward
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you know like i've tried through boo it's nothing but chinese nationals posing as women they found
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pictures on through instagram um and uh you know hinge for me has been fantastic bumble you know
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bumble has been pretty good for me too uh tinder i don't mess around with tinder but upward was
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really really good when i was in dc uh the nova area i had some great experiences on that great
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great well thanks so much for calling in um you're a great caller so call in any time
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we'll do we'll do thank you pearl have a great day thank you
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all right doug mpa any final thoughts on this topic um i just i can't get past the whole if
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you're 30 to 35 and you pretend to be christian and you're holding a man's a christian standard
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but you've never been married you don't have any kids it's it's a red flag that's what you know
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what does saint kevin samuel say you know if you're christian what's your purpose on
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on this planet you know to be a help meet you know and you haven't been a guy's help meet yet
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but you're christian are you serious so that's a big red flag for me if a woman's between the
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age of 30 and 35 and she's never been married she doesn't have any kids yeah yeah i agree with you
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doug um i think christian women are worse i actually think they're worse because they require
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morality from the guy and bring no morality to the table where liberal women require no morality
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on either side there you go all right guys thank you so much for watching the show and thank you
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doug mpa a pleasure as always um guys go to the audacity network.com if you want to support making
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my goal is to get enough people on the website where i'm not as it's a little stressful be and
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