Pearl - April 01, 2026


Clavicular is going mainstream part 2


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 12 minutes

Words per Minute

190.12029

Word Count

13,736

Sentence Count

223

Misogynist Sentences

37

Hate Speech Sentences

43


Summary

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In this episode, I talk about a girl who got a train ran on her in the bathroom of a club and it went viral on the internet. I also talk about how women are becoming more and more aware of their digital footprint and how it's making it harder and harder to outrun the past.

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 what's up guys sorry the last one i don't know doug clicked something and made it like
00:00:08.680 i don't know it was a button or something okay we're gonna go back into what i was talking
00:00:13.200 about though so i made it members only this time and um it used to be back in the day you could
00:00:21.960 hoe out in college and nobody would really know and um you could outrun your past but it seems
00:00:28.340 like, you know, women's desperate need for attention is catching up to them. So, um, wait,
00:00:34.260 hold on. Okay. So apparently this girl, she was at a college, right? I don't, um, remember which
00:00:45.360 college, but I guess she had an Eiffel tower done. Uh, she got a train ran on her and instead of,
00:00:52.540 you know finding god and playing innocent later and all that bullshit um it one of the guys
00:00:58.360 recorded it and posted it on twitter um and it kind of begs the question like yeah she kind of
00:01:06.140 brought it upon herself but she didn't ask she wasn't a public figure she didn't ask to be a
00:01:10.440 porn star and now that video i guess was on twitter okay if nobody ever and now there's
00:01:16.720 another girl who whored out by um hooking up with a guy in the bathroom of a club or something
00:01:22.880 and again this stuff used to happen back in the day but you whored out and then you know moved
00:01:27.440 on with your life now the women there's a digital footprint um and it's going to be harder and
00:01:35.580 harder to outrun the past especially with how everything's getting recorded now listens to
00:01:41.800 another thing i say please just listen to this video please because this network of men that
00:01:47.700 posted me ruined my life illegally by the way just like i predicted are doing this to more girls
00:01:54.080 just as they did to girls before me and nobody seems to care i'm speaking to my community i'm
00:02:00.920 speaking to elon musk at twitter i'm speaking to every single person in america at this point
00:02:06.140 because something needs to be done these accounts are posting girls bodies without their permission
00:02:10.720 and over and over and over again and nobody so her okay you know i mean obviously you're kind
00:02:17.540 of asking for it if you get a train ran on you but like you know the train you know you can be
00:02:22.560 a private hoe i don't think the whole world needs to know you know what she's doing behind closed
00:02:29.200 doors you know i don't really think so i do have a little sympathy for this one not really the ones
00:02:35.580 that are getting banged in the bathroom like you kind of brought that upon yourself you know but
00:02:43.040 um this girl i mean if she wants to get a train ran on her in private and she didn't ask to be
00:02:50.940 on twitter he is stopping them this is not like one-off mistakes like oh it just happened to me
00:02:56.660 these are repeat patterns that these platforms are allowing to continue i feel like what happened
00:03:01.280 of me was treated as just some drama or some like big event and then everybody kind of moved on but
00:03:05.900 i need everybody to understand that this is not just a me thing like this is happening to so many
00:03:10.880 girls sometimes these posts go viral sometimes they don't i'm convinced that half of the videos
00:03:16.400 on twitter the people in them don't even know they're posted on twitter because i'm just saying
00:03:20.320 that like if girls want to get trains ran on them go get your train honey like i maybe i maybe i'm
00:03:28.300 modern or whatever but if if she's not pretending to not be a hoe and um she's accepting the
00:03:37.300 possible stds i don't think the whole world needs to know about it you know i think we're kind of
00:03:44.480 in this weird age where everything gets posted online and if she wants to whore out um you know
00:03:50.880 go for it sweetie it's not my problem go viral like let's be real if the video of me did not go
00:03:55.620 viral, I would not even know it was on the internet. Like, what is going on? And these
00:03:59.700 people on Twitter, they go and they post these videos and find out all of these girls' personal
00:04:04.140 information, post it all over the internet, dox them, and then they go in these Twitter spaces
00:04:09.460 where they can talk, and then they just degrade these girls for hours and hours on end. I just
00:04:14.280 went on my fake Twitter account and joined one, and I'm horrified. I am sick to my stomach about
00:04:18.760 the things that these guys are saying. And you know what's crazy? It's not just guys that are
00:04:22.320 doing this by sitting in this voice chat tonight I've learned that it's girls too there's girls
00:04:27.040 behind these burner accounts there's old ass men behind these burner accounts up at four in the
00:04:31.240 morning talking about these girls bodies and laughing at them and making jokes yeah so what
00:04:34.960 she's saying is these men are low status these are old guys ugly guys they're low status so
00:04:40.540 why are you even commenting like it's kind of like people that aren't in the game right high
00:04:46.320 status people um they're like in the game right and so she's saying like i'm high status why are
00:04:55.160 these low status men commenting that's because the low status men they're not getting laid right so
00:04:59.200 they gotta focus on you like high status men they're not too worried about a girl that they
00:05:04.400 don't know running the train right like if they got a wife or a family or whatever but you know
00:05:11.600 these are people nothing to do because there's a lot of guys without purpose out there not an
00:05:15.760 insults just a fact so um it got more time and yeah i don't what do you guys think do you think
00:05:25.240 it's yeah thank you black no 1918 for gifting memberships do you guys think she deserves to
00:05:32.540 have this on the internet if she's doing something private behind closed doors that's like debaucherous
00:05:38.860 to me um and it's like uh that's you know your problem i don't really think
00:05:50.180 that you're asking to be a public figure um however if you're you know letting a bunch of
00:05:58.880 young frat guys run a train on you it is gonna like people are gonna talk that's too many people
00:06:04.680 involved so i don't know you guys can fight over that
00:06:08.860 oh wait let me keep going about them unaliving themselves like what is going on how is again the
00:06:16.200 girls that did it in public were asking for it i gotta i gotta say her i have a little sympathy
00:06:21.120 for i do i like having a sex tape out against your will i don't know it's okay and you don't
00:06:29.720 care until it happens to you like genuinely this could happen to anyone and it's gonna be in you
00:06:36.760 i don't know i gotta be honest i don't know like you kind of do have to like accept doing a train
00:06:44.440 to get a video of a train circulating about you do you know what i mean not everyone does trains
00:06:50.080 maddie i gotta i gotta be honest that that is not something everybody does
00:06:55.880 that is not something everybody does i gotta be honest i'm just trying to keep it a buck with you
00:07:04.760 that's not something we're all partaking in um that was just you um the video i do think that
00:07:12.380 like in modern day anybody can anybody that you hook up with if you've had sex with anyone you're
00:07:20.760 not married to anybody could take a video of you there's too many ring cameras they're too much
00:07:26.160 like um your wife's got a video on someone's camera roll somewhere you know what i mean
00:07:31.560 or picture right
00:07:35.640 to happen to probably everybody unless we stop it and if you're a woman and you're sitting in
00:07:43.540 these voice chats degrading other girls laughing along at four in the morning i'm just so angry
00:07:48.760 and i wasn't that angry before i was angry when everything happened to me but now i'm just angry
00:07:52.200 again because it's happening over and over and over again and i'm not sure what kind of action
00:07:56.200 can be taken but something has to be done something good night yeah so women are going
00:08:01.640 to police to get this stuff like taken down and it's going to be a whole thing all right let's
00:08:06.840 get to clavicular so clavicular is really the antithesis of the internet age um and he has
00:08:14.840 access to more women than most men will get in their entire life. And he did it by increasing
00:08:19.880 his looks exponentially. So getting really lean, um, fixing his hair, fixing his, et cetera. Um,
00:08:28.780 so now he's being interviewed by all the big news networks, right? Cause he's
00:08:34.760 making a ton of money. He's streaming. Um, and, um,
00:08:42.340 now all the mainstream media is kind of trying to you know make him out to be crazy and you know
00:08:52.380 he's he's not crazy really he's just doing what he has to do to make money in this generation
00:08:57.200 and um get bitches so incel has been largely misused so let's clarify what that actually is
00:09:05.140 so you think that even if someone had every word of the one thing about incel is um what is an incel
00:09:10.980 like if a guy hasn't had sex in a few years is he an incel or there's a certain circumstance
00:09:19.460 i don't know my friend said he doesn't respect anyone that hasn't banged five girls in a year
00:09:28.140 and i think that's like a kind of reasonable you know what i mean like it's like lifting
00:09:33.340 weights like you have to have done it recently
00:09:35.540 you have to have slayed some hoes to talk about slaying ho i mean not like we can police speech
00:09:44.120 here but you know there has to be a basis of credibility and it has to be recent it can't be
00:09:48.640 like 10 years ago um otherwise you're not going to be up with the new trend neil strauss booked
00:09:53.600 the game memorized and they were like super busted they could approach a stacy and get totally
00:09:58.340 like brutalized almost like women are are brutal as fuck these days i was talking about this on
00:10:05.520 my stream the other day say you were to do like a bowling date with a girl and
00:10:10.320 you weren't streaming it like that's just the most ridiculous what about like
00:10:15.720 connecting with her because like you like her or something like that you know
00:10:18.480 like maybe you want to start a family where's the ROI in that what's that
00:10:21.840 return on investment what's the value there I mean in engaging with people in
00:10:26.620 your life yeah I mean there's really not many people that are worth interacting
00:10:32.880 with i would say what do you mean like most people are extremely jester if you want to be completely
00:10:38.860 disingenuous that's fine with me i guess there's just no no point to continue all right thank you
00:10:44.440 for your time thank you ladies and gentlemen this is brayden peters known online as clavicular
00:10:49.580 clav for short a 20 year old from hoboken new jersey currently living and trapping content out
00:10:54.620 of a rented mansion in fort lauderdale in florida the property has been converted to a 24 7 fully
00:11:00.640 staffed live streaming studio for cloud's particular brand of content which focuses on
00:11:05.000 partying and also helping young men particularly in gen alpha and early gen z look sexy as fuck
00:11:10.600 and ascend by engaging in looks maxing activities like facial surgery limb lengthening botox peptide
00:11:16.220 use and steroid injection all with the goal of raising their smv sexual market value in a way
00:11:20.980 that will lead to more ascension and life success across mainstream platforms he has over a million
00:11:25.240 followers and over 170 000 recurring viewers on the live streaming platform kick i don't want to
00:11:30.480 spoil it too much though. Let's get into the interview. All right. Thanks so much for making
00:11:33.860 the time, man. I appreciate it. Oh, sorry. How's it going? How are you doing, man? Getting started.
00:11:39.060 How are you? I'm good. So for those who don't know, can you tell us your name and kind of what
00:11:42.000 you do? I am a clavicular. I do live streaming. I hop on a variety of podcasts to talk about sort
00:11:50.800 of my philosophy on why looks are arguably one of the most important things in terms of your
00:11:57.520 success in life. And what do you mean by that? Well, what I basically mean is every single
00:12:02.680 crate of yours is going to be perceived differently according to your looks level, right? So if you're
00:12:09.960 super caged in and shy, but you're good looking, that will be perceived a lot different rather
00:12:16.400 than if you're, you know, an acne ridden, balding jester and you stay inside all day, people will
00:12:24.520 call you a recluse, they'll call you weird, whatever. So even though the actions are the
00:12:29.400 complete same, so that's what I'm talking about here. And what's the exact equation for measuring
00:12:33.800 like aesthetic value? So there's a lot of different ratios that go into it to calculate someone's
00:12:40.300 overall facial harmony score. So for example, that could be the width of your eyes relative
00:12:45.300 to the width of your cheekbones would be your eye separation ratio or your midface ratio,
00:12:51.440 So for example, then you're going to take all these measurements and calculate them
00:12:55.920 into a final percentage harmony score.
00:12:58.820 Who has the highest score right now living?
00:13:02.640 I believe it's Matt Bomer.
00:13:04.080 What in particular about Matt's face gives him that high score?
00:13:06.880 It's not one particular thing because it's a calculation of a lot of different measurements.
00:13:12.160 Well congrats on the big viewership and stuff like that.
00:13:14.680 Thank you.
00:13:15.680 It's kind of cool to see the mechanics of algorithmic takeover here.
00:13:18.040 I appreciate that.
00:13:19.040 I read less than a year ago you were a line cook.
00:13:20.920 That's right.
00:13:21.920 Well, it was just one of my many roles at a restaurant I worked at.
00:13:26.040 What made you kind of want to jump into creating content?
00:13:28.300 I had already been kind of posting my looks maxing, you know, routine and the protocols
00:13:36.140 I was doing for a good amount of time on TikTok, not really taking it too seriously.
00:13:42.160 And I was posting on online forums.
00:13:44.880 So I was sort of like a well-known name in a really small, tight-knit community.
00:13:51.000 And then I kind of took it a little bit more serious because people were asking me like,
00:13:55.440 how do you do this?
00:13:56.640 What was your experience like with this peptide, whatever?
00:14:01.560 And it started to get a lot of traction very early on.
00:14:04.800 So I just continued with it and we're here now.
00:14:08.080 So going back to like the early days, you were born in 05, right?
00:14:10.960 That's right.
00:14:11.380 How would you describe your like childhood?
00:14:12.760 Was it fun?
00:14:13.120 um pretty normal i'd say your social experience in school though how was that uh i mean what
00:14:21.280 what age range are we talking about i guess like right around 13 14 is what i'm thinking
00:14:24.700 well that would have been during the pandemic so uh i was in online school oh shit he's getting
00:14:32.380 mogged this interviewer is getting mogged how do you think that being an online school like you
00:14:37.080 know transformed your experience during that time well he's asking it he's trying to box him in as
00:14:42.140 like weird but a lot of times they try to box and gen z guys as weird because they're not interested
00:14:48.520 in a lot of the things millennial guys got like swooped into like a lot of millennial guys were
00:14:54.060 super simps they got married they worked up in corporate america and a lot of gen z men are like
00:14:59.200 uh if a woman hits me i'm hitting that bitch back uh no you can pay for 50 of the day and the older
00:15:05.300 men they're like oh oh no i'm not the gen z men are like no i'm not getting married and the older
00:15:10.780 men kind of try to shame them into taking the l's that they took especially the men that have been
00:15:15.140 like controlled by women their whole life and it's like um it's yeah so hold on so you're not
00:15:26.140 interacting with anyone yeah just like ladaring but i mean was that the the time window that you
00:15:30.760 sort of fell into the looks maxim community uh around that time actually yeah what do you think
00:15:36.120 right at the tail end of the pandemic what do you think like initially appealed to you about it
00:15:39.860 um well it just seemed like when i first started lifting and then i got really into you know
00:15:48.500 pharmacology and steroid usage i was like this is like literally a video game cheat code is what it
00:15:54.780 almost feels like and it seemed like so ridiculous to try to play the game fair when i had access to
00:16:00.540 all these things what was the first kind of thing that you tried out was a test test how do you get
00:16:05.920 that stuff uh no comment but it's like it's technically illegal in the u.s right but other
00:16:10.880 countries have like more lax regulations no it's prescription only okay and how did that affect
00:16:15.000 your like looks immediately like when you mix that with a bit of lifting uh i started to blow up
00:16:20.880 quite quickly and i've heard that testosterone is like life-changing for men's dating lives
00:16:26.920 i don't know if anyone's been on trt here in the chat i've heard it's like life-changing
00:16:31.900 sure it has side effects sure you might die early but it's like there's some things you do
00:16:37.560 even though you might die early in terms of the amount of muscle mass i had but i descended
00:16:44.860 because i was lifting in a huge caloric surplus so i turned into kind of like a blob sack uh
00:16:53.720 so i mean i definitely looked minned from taking tests uh and just bulking but it wasn't the test
00:17:01.520 There's just like prioritizing physique and mass over leanness and angularity.
00:17:07.480 And you were already creating content like right off the bat when you found this stuff or did that come a bit later?
00:17:11.220 I actually sort of was around. I started kind of documenting a lot of what I was doing on forums and actually have like a few YouTube videos, like kind of going over my experience that people dug up from years prior about like various different cycles I had done.
00:17:33.020 but uh yes i've been doing content for a little while but none of it was serious i never intended
00:17:39.420 to monetize it or have a career made out of it hey what's up guys this is not an advertisement
00:17:44.880 by the way but did you hear that about a year ago we bought the five dot news what do you think was
00:17:49.100 the particular moment that made people really catch on to what you were doing i would say that
00:17:54.080 a lot of like the diy stuff was what blew up um because a lot of people were too scared to try it
00:18:01.980 themselves, like doing injectable fat dissolvers and stuff. I would post it on YouTube and people
00:18:06.940 will thought it was crazy. They thought it was interesting. So that kind of gave me a lot of
00:18:11.100 clout within like the tight knit looks maxing community. But in terms of like mainstream
00:18:16.640 success and things like TikTok or whatever, a lot of what led to my blow up was like a segment I did
00:18:23.100 calling out copes, right? Because in early 2025, I'm sure a lot of you guys remember, there was
00:18:28.340 just like a lot of ridiculous methods kind of being put out there for looks maxing that really
00:18:34.600 didn't make fucking sense at all like what's the stupidest method that you saw where you were like
00:18:38.100 no way oh dude there was this one uh where it's like jumping to get taller so i called like
00:18:44.420 messiah jump if fuck i don't even remember but it was uh it was really retarded um so i kind of just
00:18:52.240 said to the one guy who it says pearl shouldn't you have a trade or a business or is just being
00:18:57.040 a model to be husband material what do you mean should like you're going to tell another man what
00:19:01.340 to do it might be not the path that you'd want to do but i'm not going to fault him for like what's
00:19:06.320 he doing wrong he wants to use his body to he'll try out drugs i'm not willing to try well
00:19:13.420 you know he's competing with celebrities for these young women and now he became one he's
00:19:19.720 kind of pushing it like dude like this is clearly cope this is ridiculous and you know it uh and
00:19:25.960 that kind of gave me a lot of give me a lot of clout like exposing jesters i'd say so a jester
00:19:32.320 is not just someone who's funny it's somebody who what well it could be used in like a lot of
00:19:36.960 contexts but i mean like it is kind of gesturing a little bit because the methods are like so
00:19:43.320 ridiculous you're like fucking you know bouncing around like trying to get taller like is it
00:19:48.360 consecutive jumping like bunny hops for hours i honestly couldn't tell you the exact protocol
00:19:54.260 for what people were doing back then but i just know i had something to do with uh trying to
00:20:01.380 apply wolf's law to like vertical height and like that doesn't make any sense at all the first thing
00:20:06.060 that caught my eye was the bone smashing okay because i was worried about because i saw some
00:20:10.560 people responding saying like oh in time one day you're gonna have like jaw issues do you think
00:20:14.820 that's bullshit yeah because i don't even bone smash my jaw okay my bad how does it work uh
00:20:19.300 cheekbones and it's just like it's so silly that people uh want to talk about bone smash i think
00:20:25.240 it's just because it's like you hear it and it's so crazy but that's not even really like one of
00:20:30.460 the main things that i would you know advocate for or promote or that really give people the
00:20:36.760 most results it's one of the methods that i talk about but uh it's just what gets brought up the
00:20:41.700 most frequently in interviews if you ask me seriously i mean what's the best way to look
00:20:45.400 max, I would tell you about leanness. I wouldn't tell you about bone smashing.
00:20:48.660 Gotcha. So staying low weight.
00:20:50.760 Yeah. Staying extremely low body fat.
00:20:52.500 And what are some of the easiest ways to do that besides just creating a caloric deficit?
00:20:55.660 Well, being in a GLP-1 will help you maintain that deficit a lot easier, right? Because it's
00:21:01.180 going to deal with a lot of hunger signaling. So throughout the day when you're on a cut and
00:21:05.960 trying to maintain your deficit, you're not just going to be constantly thinking about food.
00:21:09.820 So that's really helpful.
00:21:11.500 What do you think about Ozempic?
00:21:12.360 That is a GLP-1 agonist. That's what we're talking about. It works by just agonizing the
00:21:18.980 one receptor on like RETA and trisepatide, which hit multiple receptors. So this just slows
00:21:25.060 kind of your gastric emptying and like almost nauseates you in a way so that you are unable
00:21:31.320 to eat through that. But RETA is a little bit more like, you know, meticulous, I guess you can
00:21:37.560 call it. So if I'm 202 right now and I want to be 185, what's the fastest way to get there in 30
00:21:42.180 days? Well, the fastest way is to be eating as little food as possible. Just straight up starve
00:21:47.920 yourself. Yeah, but I wouldn't recommend that you do that. What do you think is the ideal caloric
00:21:52.820 ingestion amount per day? Like 300 to 500 calorie deficit. I don't really think going beyond that
00:21:58.840 is advisable ever, especially if you're someone who's going through puberty. If you're restricting
00:22:04.200 your micro and macronutrient intake during that critical developmental period, you're doing
00:22:10.080 yourself a huge disservice you mentioned puberty in that developmental period that's also like
00:22:14.440 right around the time that you got into all these communities right how was that experience for you
00:22:18.260 because it's a strange experience as like a young dude to go from being basically like a kid to a
00:22:21.640 little baby man well you have the most control over your body while all those growth pathways
00:22:27.080 are still open right so you're you know what doug mp i'm kind of blackpilled about side effects
00:22:32.180 because a lot of the stuff they said there'd be bad side effects for 10 years ago in all honesty
00:22:38.540 yes like the internet will show you extreme cases
00:22:42.780 most of the girls i knew that got things done 10 years they're fine i think people have this
00:22:53.480 revenge fantasy where they want to think that anybody that cheats or cuts corners like it'll
00:22:58.080 catch up to them i mean i think people when they get off ozempic they might gain it back if they
00:23:04.380 don't change anything but is it really going to kill people any more than like i mean like me
00:23:11.140 eating a bunch of granola bars is i don't think so like are there going to be some people that
00:23:17.220 take l's yeah but i just know too many people that have taken trt or have taken like kind of
00:23:25.600 shortcuts and they're fine um but i think there's like a part of you when you don't cut corners
00:23:31.500 that like wants to believe they won't be this is just my experience i understand maybe you guys put
00:23:37.340 in the chat if you've had different experiences or in the comments after the show but like
00:23:42.860 overwhelmingly i think people like a lot of times the shortcuts are like fine um yeah you had to get
00:23:51.660 the vax to keep your day job yeah and i was i have it too and i was fine literally felt fine
00:23:58.540 but the thing is like remember the internet's for women and women are neurotic so women always think
00:24:04.380 everything's gonna kill them and go wrong um that's why like which is kind of weird with our
00:24:11.420 life choices but like women are neurotic so a lot of times like all that do you know what I mean
00:24:18.600 like even um like I know girls that got filler and everyone's like oh like I personally have
00:24:24.420 never had filler i'm not above it i'm not saying i won't ever get it right but just at this point
00:24:29.660 in my life i've never gotten it i know enough women that have got it like 10 years ago and
00:24:34.580 everyone's like oh they look weird their face migrates or whatever and i'm like um most of
00:24:41.120 the girls that i got it that got it were fine like the girls that look weird are like addicted
00:24:47.720 to getting it but i'm gonna be honest most of the women that have had it you wouldn't really tell
00:24:51.740 i haven't i'm not above it um same thing with like trt there's a lot of guys that go on it
00:24:59.900 for like a year to gain the muscle and then stop and they're fine um i'm sure there's side effects
00:25:06.460 for some people but yeah there's a lot of people that are fine like your growth plates remain
00:25:13.860 unfused so you can really do a lot with something like an aromatase inhibitor to prevent this
00:25:19.400 process that will not prevent slow it down as much as possible because estrogen is actually
00:25:24.120 what causes you to stop growing that's why boys are taller than girls right so uh we're blocking
00:25:29.580 our testosterone from converting into estradiol and that allows us to have that longer growth
00:25:34.680 period and you can combine that with other mechanisms like taking hgh uh and you'll get
00:25:41.720 a lot taller than you otherwise would are you concerned about any adverse health effects oh
00:25:47.120 yeah, certainly. I mean, if you go about like an HGH improperly, you could deal with, you know,
00:25:54.520 potentially, you know, becoming diabetic, right? So if you're pinning GH and then spamming a shit
00:26:00.080 ton of carbs, that's horrible for your blood glucose levels. Or if you're taking a huge amount
00:26:06.260 of aromatase inhibitors, that could lead to ED, that could potentially be neurotoxic, give you
00:26:13.260 mood swings so yeah you really need to be extremely well researched uh when doing this stuff
00:26:19.840 that's why uh i'm like very careful in about when i talk about these kind of things because i want
00:26:26.600 to be as comprehensive as possible yeah to not leave any nuance uh on the table and try to clarify
00:26:32.740 as much as possible right because you don't want to mince words then someone gets hurt or
00:26:36.140 because if someone asks you uh you know how do i get taller you just tell them uh take hgh and
00:26:41.520 an aromantase inhibitor. They go out and do that and then they don't know about the thing about
00:26:46.980 carbohydrates and they don't know that they could have these issues with flatlining their E with
00:26:52.220 their mood and their libido. They could really cause themselves a good amount of harm. You have
00:26:58.520 to explain every single thing. You have to make sure the person truly knows what they're doing
00:27:02.720 before they decide to indulge on any of these pharmaceuticals. So I would say in a funny way,
00:27:10.040 like a lot more people will actually end up detrimenting themselves because people these
00:27:15.100 days are lazy they don't want to research they don't want to actually do things properly you
00:27:19.460 know take the steps that are actually necessary to have success yeah uh so it's really just about
00:27:24.960 that i think people are scared to make friends now too screen time's at an all-time high people
00:27:29.280 aren't really going out communities kind of in collapse less people have real friends i i don't
00:27:34.580 know the relevance of that what do you mean what's what's the relevance of that it's like
00:27:40.740 what's kind of what you were just talking about not at all
00:27:43.060 oh my god he's so annoyed with these interviewers that are so lazy it's like we've the easiest job
00:27:53.100 on the world in the world we're still so lazy here's a problem guy like this is going to be
00:27:57.340 covering so many stories he's just not going to be able to do a good job with every single one
00:28:03.660 if he's interviewing all these different types of people into ascend and finding your place in the
00:28:08.540 world smv i was talking about pharmacology oh yeah but i'm kind of getting into your whole your goal
00:28:14.940 is to help people ascend right yeah but i mean like what what's the value there i mean in engaging
00:28:21.740 with people in real life yeah i mean there's really not that many people that are worth
00:28:27.900 interacting with i would say what do you mean oh my god that's like the truest thing i've ever heard
00:28:37.020 like most people are extremely jester like they're funny or like they're just like just
00:28:44.720 have completely uh misprioritized lives i would say the the average person that you meet uh who's
00:28:52.080 like uh an enjoyer of sports who drinks beer for example you know let's go have a beer at the pub
00:29:00.040 and watch sunday football like that's the worst thing that you could do like you should be on pub
00:29:05.740 med reading various different studies on how you could look smacks you don't think there's any value
00:29:11.420 in like so you should be online looking at how you should looks bad
00:29:21.500 oh my god that is so funny interactions with people uh i wouldn't say people in general
00:29:26.860 i'd say that there's certain people that you could certainly learn from but the average person that
00:29:32.540 you encounter is literally like ladaring watching like a baseball game so you think most of humanity
00:29:39.900 is sort of like enslaved to these consumer habits that prevent them from ascending yeah i would i
00:29:44.980 would say that's that's correct and you think that certain stuff like sports drugs alcohol all that
00:29:50.320 stuff is like ways to keep people contained and like kind of prevent them from becoming their true
00:29:55.160 elevated selves uh i would say that it's certainly misused right so like people will just drink
00:30:02.700 alcohol for no reason at all it seems like let's go have a drink when uh if you were actually smart
00:30:10.820 you would realize the purpose of alcohol is to lower your inhibitions to talk to girls uh so
00:30:17.880 that's the only time in which it makes sense to leverage such a toxic drug like ethanol is the
00:30:24.600 purpose of the looks maxing to raise your aesthetic value to also impress and talk to girls as well
00:30:29.380 yeah i can tell this guy's married or been in a long-term relationship that's cucked him forever
00:30:34.340 but i don't like when people put too much focus on like getting girls as the reason that they
00:30:40.660 looks max because uh chasing tail is really not going to get you anywhere like you could become
00:30:47.220 the most successful uh slayer and have the best game ever uh sleep with a different girl every
00:30:52.340 night but your life will really not change and in a lot of regards to like it'll get worse like uh
00:30:58.260 and that sort of is what something I experience is like it's a mega waste of time just talking
00:31:04.520 to girls going out on dates and stuff like that yeah yeah I mean I do content so it's like it's
00:31:10.900 one thing where uh but like I was talking about this on my stream the other day say you were to
00:31:16.260 do like a bowling date with a girl and you weren't streaming it like that's just the most ridiculous
00:31:23.760 what about like connecting with her because like you like her or something like that you know like
00:31:27.480 maybe you want to start a family. This is like millennial versus Gen Z men. Millennial men tend
00:31:31.940 to be super simps, except at the tail end, where Gen Z men, they kind of see how stupid millennial
00:31:38.380 men are. Not all of you. Some of you guys are built different, but a lot, enough, right? And
00:31:44.900 they're like, I'm not going to do that. No, thank you. But where's the ROI in that? What's that?
00:31:50.780 Like, where's the ROI? Sorry, what's ROI? Return on investment. I mean, maybe you have kids and
00:31:56.100 can mold your kid into like a tiger woods type like ill like little golf player or something
00:32:00.980 and then he could provide for you so when you get old the kids like don't they don't belong to the
00:32:05.220 men so you have no control over that you don't gotta get go to a nursing home and he can like
00:32:09.700 make sure you're taken care of just leech off uh your kid like you know like you want when those
00:32:14.260 people put the kids on the tick tock live like you know what i mean like that's just comical
00:32:20.740 so the main goal of looks maxing is not to get girls it's to feel good about yourself no it's
00:32:25.140 just to be successful in general it's not about feeling good it's about real results and this is
00:32:30.020 a completely objective thing this isn't my opinion and it it never has just been a subjective thing
00:32:35.460 it's very very well researched that in interviews there's a huge bias towards good looking people
00:32:41.540 and dating obviously a huge bias towards good looking people so uh objectively you could hate
00:32:48.980 me as a content creator but realize like the value and what i'm talking about so the goal
00:32:54.740 when you say success you mean like mostly yeah and that's just like accurate you know what i mean
00:33:01.220 um good looking people i mean you ever see like an ugly guy approach women
00:33:06.740 use the same line say it in the same way as the hot guy and then the hot guy goes in and like
00:33:15.300 and the girls just laugh at all his jokes and he's not even funny financial and economic uh
00:33:20.740 well really anything it's hard for me to to think of something where looks wouldn't benefit you i
00:33:26.820 mean in your industry you know you're a content creator you're streaming all the time you think
00:33:30.020 that if you were not physically good looking you wouldn't have as much success no i wouldn't at all
00:33:35.940 even if you were like a genius like beethoven level creative but you were busted you don't
00:33:39.540 think you'd pop up well that's the thing uh so now you have to be so uh so well off in another
00:33:46.740 category to compensate for your lack of looks that you have to be because we're in the woman's world
00:33:51.700 and if we were in a man's world things would be um oh my god things would be
00:34:00.420 based on competence but we're in a woman's world so it's on popularity and looks a beethoven level
00:34:06.820 uh player in order to compete with a guy who's you know just like you know mogging and going to the
00:34:14.180 the club you know so that's why it really gives people huge advantage in life to have looks on
00:34:21.020 their side yeah i think it's definitely true but you don't think there's any value in like having
00:34:25.100 a girlfriend that you like or an in-person communities like meet your essential needs
00:34:28.340 and find belonging well uh i'm just a little bit like weird like i don't know uh it's hard for me
00:34:34.880 to enjoy some of the same activities that normal people do but it doesn't really matter because
00:34:40.200 that's just like my personal anecdote they're not mutually exclusive right growing up growing up
00:34:45.880 what did you enjoy doing the most before all this stuff i mean i would just mostly like ladar
00:34:52.360 on my pc like i was reading what kind of stuff were you reading i was reading different forum
00:34:58.360 posts different studies i like how because the interview was trying to make him look weird and
00:35:04.180 like awkward and autistic and he just says it he's like yeah i am weird i don't really like to
00:35:09.260 socialize. I don't see most people's worth interacting with. And yes, I was on the computer
00:35:14.320 for most of my childhood. And so the interviewer can't even like use that against him.
00:35:19.940 Just whatever research you can think of about looks maxing and developing your aesthetic.
00:35:24.780 Looks maxing, bodybuilding, all that kind of stuff. Were you unhappy with how you looked at the time?
00:35:28.460 Yeah, of course. What were some of the things that you immediately wanted to improve right off the
00:35:32.200 bat? My muscle mass was probably one of the bigger ones. I didn't really have much of a presence. I
00:35:38.040 was quite skinny so i was like a little bit lanky because i i grew pretty early so uh i was a lank
00:35:44.380 lit yeah do you think that affected your social life yeah i would say i'd say so in what way well
00:35:50.780 obviously people are going to be more you know they're like pathologizing him
00:35:58.980 it's like um he's trying to do like a victim or like and clav he doesn't like this because he
00:36:05.800 likes it when they ask him more technical questions are drawn to you if you're good looking and i
00:36:11.640 would say that you know growing up uh especially during puberty early into high school i really
00:36:18.120 wasn't so it's just it is what it is so you feel like you had a harder time making friends yeah
00:36:24.520 but i would attribute most of it to uh sort of my brain chemistry and like a lot of the
00:36:31.400 maybe differences and activities i enjoy more so than looks you know so i'd definitely attribute
00:36:40.220 it to that did you experience any kind of like social anxiety during that time yeah yeah i still
00:36:47.560 do yeah i get pretty anxious just meeting new people it really just depends on the the scenario
00:36:54.240 I would say that meeting new people who have like a higher status is usually something that I get a little bit anxious about because you don't want to like, you know, blow it or whatever.
00:37:06.900 Make a bad impression.
00:37:08.100 Yeah, but like if I'm just going to a club, for example, like my impression doesn't really matter that much because a lot of the time it's just like random people in college.
00:37:19.860 did you find that engaging with people online as opposed to in real life helped kind of ease some
00:37:24.420 of that social anxiety because you didn't have to deal with so much like in-person immediacy
00:37:27.780 yeah like discord maxing was probably uh one of the discord max oh gen z is so funny
00:37:38.540 the better things to do because you could actually find like people who have the same
00:37:43.600 interests as you and you're never going to encounter people with the same niche interests
00:37:48.240 like looks maxing like you will on on internet forums did you ever actually meet up with any
00:37:53.380 people from the forums in real life yeah actually two people in this house uh i met through looks
00:37:58.360 max.org and that that word is like an old 4chan word right like i disagree nuke and i have had
00:38:05.580 this um debate because he would always say like online isn't real life and i'm like it kind of is
00:38:12.840 like half of my friends the last few years i made through online communities
00:38:17.080 and honestly i'm like some of them were better friends than i meet in the real world
00:38:23.320 and i'm just like because i've really tried both and there's pros and cons i could really speak
00:38:28.960 on this because i've done real world maxing and online maxing and i gotta be honest when you
00:38:34.700 online max everything's just more efficient like if you're single and you online date you just get
00:38:39.580 right to it now the the con is that a lot of times if you online max you are not social skills
00:38:47.920 maxing so a lot of times you're missing like basic social skills um you know there's pros and
00:38:55.300 like the amount of time it would take me to find a room where I could shit talk the way I do to my
00:39:00.340 chat it would take me forever I'd have to curate it then the women would crash out later like I
00:39:09.300 don't know i like to i like to hobby max and if i happen to make a friend along the way it just it
00:39:16.720 seems to be i remember having this thought like in my mid-20s when a lot of my old friends from
00:39:21.240 school one i found it harder to date and make friends in real life but i was afraid to like
00:39:27.340 online date like i would have an app and i would go on dates but i'd be afraid to like go further
00:39:32.100 i don't know why in my head it was like oh no it's online but it's it was stupid whatever um
00:39:38.160 But I remember thinking, but like, what other way is there?
00:39:45.220 Like the amount of time you have to go out, like,
00:39:48.180 like imagine if you ask someone out in your hobby community,
00:39:50.960 like there might be one or two people that you could ask out,
00:39:54.700 but it's like, are they even single?
00:39:57.640 And then you have to go for so long before, or you just cut right to,
00:40:01.800 if you're a girl, you kind of, you can just start asking people out,
00:40:05.880 But then you get the reputation of that, like, because any guy that gets asked out by a girl, he's going to tell everybody.
00:40:12.580 Now you're the girl that, you know, what if he says no?
00:40:16.220 You keep going.
00:40:17.040 What if he says no?
00:40:18.320 You know, this is the things I think about.
00:40:20.520 So it's like when you online max, it just gets right to the point.
00:40:24.380 like you just so i see like
00:40:29.500 i see why um people go online because a lot of times it's just quicker fast or more efficient
00:40:38.540 like as an abbreviate uh it's on 4chan but it didn't you fight mental health issues because
00:40:43.880 it's not really good for people to be online that much so there's pros and cons pros and cons
00:40:49.500 originate from them do you know where the actual word first came from like psl websites
00:40:53.480 The umbrella term PSL refers to the three most popular message boards in the incelsphere.
00:40:59.060 PUA or PickupArtistHate.com, Hate.com, and Lookism.net.
00:41:04.200 On these three sites, a shared ranking scale was developed called the...
00:41:07.480 Oh, wow.
00:41:11.140 Chad.
00:41:12.340 Chad Light.
00:41:14.660 Oh, no way.
00:41:16.940 High tier Normie.
00:41:18.220 what they got ryan gosling as a mid-tier oh 50th to 15 okay i could see him being like 20
00:41:28.740 as opposed to or like 17 okay so this is oh
00:41:34.640 mid-tier 50th to 15th low-tier normie okay um yeah i kind of agree with these
00:41:45.060 psl scale which ranks men from tara chad and giga chad all the way down to subhuman oh wait hold on
00:41:51.580 i want to go back dad oh my god oh that's interesting oh interesting okay i've seen
00:42:06.520 these terms everywhere but i didn't know what they meant the psl what's my psl i think i'm a
00:42:12.400 admit i mean i think i'm almost a sub five but not quite i think in a few years i'll be sub five
00:42:21.860 and giga chad all the way down to subhuman it's just three forums like the names of three old
00:42:27.620 forums one of them is pickup artist hate right you don't like pickup artists uh it's not really
00:42:32.660 that i don't like pickup artists it's just i don't like the fact that they don't give you the key
00:42:37.620 piece of nuance that if you learn all this game and do cold approaching but you're not good looking
00:42:44.980 it's not going to work so there are so i've met the puas not all of them are good looking um but
00:42:50.780 i think i would say they're all of the people that do it are over a certain level but none of them
00:42:57.380 are like the what is it the lowest one but not of all of them some of them are like normal looking
00:43:02.120 like psychological tactics that you can utilize to be better at approaching women conversation
00:43:07.540 traditional tactics, whatever the case may be, but they're going to have different success rates
00:43:12.840 based on different looks levels. So you think that even if someone had every word of the Neil
00:43:16.920 Strauss book, the game memorized, and they were like super busted, they could approach a Stacey
00:43:21.220 and get totally Lennard, like brutalized almost. Like women are, are brutal as fuck these days
00:43:28.380 with rejecting people, I think is one thing that I don't really like. Sometimes a dude will in a bar
00:43:34.980 literally just like go up and call a girl pretty like no creepiness to it no like overly like
00:43:42.340 touchy or whatever and like she'll start like screaming like just to embarrass the dude and
00:43:46.820 like brutalize him what do you think causes that impulse well i mean i think it's just that they
00:43:51.540 feel disrespected that someone that lower in percentiles got you feels that they could somehow
00:43:58.020 enter like a relationship with them it's sensible to a degree you know how could you actually think
00:44:04.580 that this approach would work out but i don't really think that there's a reason for them to
00:44:09.300 like just go out of the way to like be brutal on an underlying level what do you think is causing
00:44:13.620 that just like hostility do you think it's like the way culture has shaped it it's not really like
00:44:18.660 hostile a lot of the times i think they just kind of also think it's like funny because they'll post
00:44:24.020 it on like social media after of like dudes hitting on them and to like embarrass them basically yeah
00:44:28.740 what did you think about the whole nautica malone situation what is that that was the uh the guneral
00:44:33.220 gunicide you know the guy at the bikini beans in tempe arizona who went through and he had like
00:44:38.420 supposedly no pants on and they posted a video of him and he took his own life the next day
00:44:42.580 you familiar with that story i'm not no you're gonna have to fill me in we just made a documentary
00:44:46.660 about a vigil they did for him here's a preview of that upcoming documentary but have you been
00:44:51.220 here before uh yeah sir you need to leave unacceptable unacceptable police say a man
00:44:57.380 took his own life after getting caught committing a sex crime in the drive-thru of a coffee shop
00:45:03.220 Nautica's death is bigger than 9-11 this was a recurring incident that all the girls were aware
00:45:11.980 of you killed that man Nautica was a gooner he's left behind by his wife and two kids
00:45:16.200 do you think they consider him a goon lord I think they view him as a loving father that
00:45:20.660 did a radical thing I want to be just like my father he was a gooner himself you know he did
00:45:24.920 I don't want to use a gunner as well.
00:45:28.920 In that parking spot.
00:45:29.920 No shit.
00:45:31.920 That was messed up.
00:45:32.920 I analyzed that video over 1,000 times.
00:45:35.920 That man had pants on.
00:45:37.920 Have you ever exposed yourself in a drive-through?
00:45:39.920 I don't think he had pants on.
00:45:40.920 No, but I probably will in my future.
00:45:42.920 You killed that man! You killed that man!
00:45:46.920 Acting like it's a joke is damaging for everyone involved.
00:45:50.920 The spirit of the gunner is really all around us.
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00:46:20.380 to clasp okay well like he was fully naked with his no no no he has a shirt on but his his phallus
00:46:28.620 let's just say is showing to the the workers according to the workers there was phallus
00:46:33.580 according to nautica malone supporters he had very short shorts on i honestly believe that
00:46:38.920 the workers in that case like i mean i don't really think that anyone should take their own
00:46:43.660 lives but there's a clear difference there between showing your genitalia and being clothed
00:46:50.060 even if it's promiscuous, even if it's degenerate.
00:46:53.180 And I could call that out too,
00:46:55.520 but like that's just straight up a sexual harassment
00:46:59.260 to just like go somewhere with your chin and tail you out.
00:47:03.340 So I'm not gonna obviously side with that one.
00:47:07.180 So you think it's a little bit fried
00:47:08.280 that people are showing up to do a vigil for his passing?
00:47:11.240 I would say so.
00:47:12.160 I think that they're certainly right that there is a lot of...
00:47:16.500 He really hasn't asked him much about looks, Matt.
00:47:18.600 scenarios like in the gym when we'd see girls like record their sets and like a guy would like
00:47:24.800 look for a second and then they would like try to ruin their lives. Like yeah that is horrible
00:47:35.140 right so that shouldn't occur but like someone pulling up to a restaurant naked it's like that
00:47:40.560 just kind of ruins all the optics of everything if you're gonna like make this part of like the
00:47:45.480 argument. You know what I'm saying? So back to rejection in general, there's something they
00:47:48.840 call the Gen Z sex recession. It's an alcohol recession too. It sounds like you might think
00:47:52.840 it's kind of a good thing, but right now there's less people ever like in the past 50 years that
00:47:56.620 are going out. Why would I think that's a good thing? Because you mentioned that alcohol is like
00:47:59.660 a slop of the masses and that dating is a waste of time. Well, no, I just said the exposure should
00:48:04.920 be limited, right? So like if you're someone who just like has a drink before going to bed or has
00:48:10.840 of drink when they go out to lunch with their buddies it's like okay you are just causing you
00:48:16.780 know oxidative stress to your body for literally no reason because the way that i think about it is
00:48:21.420 you know being super results driven right so like actually being able to talk to girls potentially
00:48:26.520 like you know get a girl to go home with you like that's an example of okay maybe the oxidative
00:48:31.720 stress could be justified because you got the success of you know slaying a girl for example
00:48:37.460 You know, that's kind of like a meaningless pursuit. And that's a whole nother huge philosophical argument. But just for the purpose of this interview, that would be like one example where it kind of makes a little bit more sense.
00:48:49.240 But I don't really think that people should be drinking and doing drugs recreationally for the most part.
00:48:56.940 And I know that would appear super hypocritical because I do it a good amount.
00:49:01.760 It's just something that I utilize for my work, for my content, because I can't really like function around people too well or be super entertaining in my sober state.
00:49:14.720 What drugs do you find help you the most?
00:49:16.200 pregabalin stimulants i'd say yeah so just drugs that keep you up basically make it easier to talk
00:49:24.540 to people and do your job pregabalin is a little different it blocks certain neurotransmitters
00:49:29.080 that are excitatory right so your glutamate and that causes social anxiety right by blocking that
00:49:35.620 i don't want to take that one a neurotransmitter well that a drug's half-life is active now you're
00:49:40.080 like in a low inhibition state for you know the six to eight hours you don't got to talk about
00:49:44.720 this if you don't want but have you ever used like methamphetamine uh yeah no i i've i've used
00:49:49.180 methamphetamine do you know what adderall is pretty close chemically to meth right yeah so
00:49:53.120 it's a dexamphetamine i was just taking dextromethamphetamine you think meth kind of
00:49:57.020 gets a bad rap no i don't i don't at all because it's different isomers that are are cooked up by
00:50:04.820 like literal biker gang retards not actual pharmacies that are like you know giving you
00:50:11.260 like a desoxyn script. So it's totally different. Like people just smoking like street meth is like
00:50:16.380 that's horrible. And I don't really think that anyone should use stimulants ever. But there's
00:50:21.760 a difference between like the meth that people think about from like Breaking Bad and actual
00:50:27.400 like prescription desoxyn. So if you did have the Heisenberg 99.8% pure, you think that it would
00:50:33.900 come with less adverse effects than what you say is retard biker myth? Yeah, I mean, but it's just
00:50:39.040 about dosing at the end of the day because there's a lot of dopamine toxicity that you
00:50:44.220 could get because of how easy it is to abuse the drug. It's super addictive and there's
00:50:50.800 no doctor controlling the amount that's prescribed to you because you're buying it from drug
00:50:58.560 dealers obviously. So people aren't able to control their dose protocol. They're doing
00:51:04.040 hundreds of milligrams sometimes and causing a fuck ton of neurotoxicity. That's why I think
00:51:10.520 meth is something that should never really be done. I just share my experiences because
00:51:17.040 I stream so much that if I tried to hide anything, it would just come out anyway.
00:51:21.220 I began blowing up on social media and I wanted to ascend in a very short time frame. So I was
00:51:26.860 meth maxing to lean out as much as possible in a short duration of time.
00:51:30.640 What was your preferred meth dosage when you're meth maxing?
00:51:33.200 uh usually around like 10 milligrams would that be like a line well yeah more or less or you could
00:51:41.100 take it orally but like when people you're like methamphetamine they assume it's like a guy
00:51:46.660 smoking out of a pipe but 10 milligrams of methamphetamine is quite similar to the average
00:51:51.700 adderall prescription it kind of reminds me of that conversation about like lean i don't care
00:51:57.420 about these drugs versus heroin i was normalized to like sip lean but then it was you know people
00:52:02.080 would get shades right at them for doing oxycontin or heroin but it's so chemically similar yeah
00:52:06.320 all these interviewers are just trying to label him as an incel who does drugs
00:52:10.160 the same thing with adderall well yeah like with mommy issues or some bullshit i know what i'm
00:52:14.480 doing is really not like not trying to like justify my my usage or anything because i i
00:52:19.040 stopped doing it like it's it's quite terrible but uh that nuance was never something that was
00:52:23.340 included in the headlines because like math maxing sounds so funny that it's like a headline it was
00:52:28.220 a lot different than people really could imagine oh hey what's up guys i didn't see you there i
00:52:33.900 wanted weird implications behind uh him for like having a good article from a leftist media uh
00:52:40.660 company where it's like i'm not a political figure so it's like that's it's pretty sensible how was
00:52:45.700 your experience working with elena elena's great yeah i think she's a she's a very nice girl and
00:52:50.440 i'm glad we got to do that collaboration because that was like a one of the key key things talked
00:52:56.560 about in looks maxing is like a lot of the the male models like the psl gods uh is what it's
00:53:02.900 like referred to not to be like obviously what's what's the word for it i know that's uh against
00:53:09.440 the 10 commandments or whatever uh sinful yeah not not to be sinful or whatever that's just how
00:53:14.860 it's referred to on internet forums obviously idealization of people is not good but yeah that's
00:53:22.100 kind of a meme in the community so actually like walking on the runway was uh kind of mog and it's
00:53:27.940 like okay now you started on the forums now you're like one of the people that the forum was talking
00:53:32.740 about so it's a cool like full circle moment for you yeah a little bit i guess you could say that
00:53:36.420 was that like the moment you think you're most proud of there's been a lot it's kind of just
00:53:39.780 like a steady up and up so far that there's like a lot of but that was certainly like one specific
00:53:46.500 event that was you know that's a big one what's like one event okay can we go a little further
00:53:51.300 when does he walk up a segment that comes about late in the night and then you're up until six
00:53:56.180 seven in the morning and then the next day is is cooked and then you know you try to reset your
00:54:01.620 sleep schedule you can't fall asleep so that sort of thing has been quite exhausting what have been
00:54:06.260 some of your favorite moments from the you see yourself as potentially helping people like that
00:54:09.780 yeah like that's the the best way to escape nothing to do with looks maxing really because
00:54:14.580 the entire idea of looks maxing do you agree with that it's more so a society of men who are
00:54:21.140 really not that well off in a lot of regards in what sense like what do you think are the
00:54:24.660 main things that men are suffering from in 2026 economic struggle lack of success in the dating
00:54:30.180 market hypergamy stuff like that but your idea is to sort of withdraw from the dating market to an
00:54:34.660 extent and pursue self-improvement in a way to ascend in a way that doesn't i don't last place
00:54:39.380 i think you're going to be wasting your time entering the dating market until you are maximized
00:54:46.180 in career and aesthetic and every metric yeah really i know you hate talking about politics
00:54:50.900 And the last thing I want to do is trap you in a politics rabbit hole.
00:54:53.640 But you mentioned that looks maxing isn't political.
00:54:55.520 There is an association in the press with looks maxing and the sort of right wing manosphere.
00:54:59.360 Do you agree with that?
00:55:01.040 It's more so just the fact that I've collaborated with like people who say like edgy things.
00:55:07.300 So that's my brand.
00:55:08.020 It's like, I really don't care.
00:55:09.740 Like, I'm really not trying to be like PR or whatever.
00:55:12.820 It would just be just too much work, really.
00:55:15.740 So yeah, that's why I guess they've tried to do that.
00:55:18.420 But in terms of my actual political ideology
00:55:21.700 and whether or not looks maxing
00:55:23.660 has any political implications, it doesn't.
00:55:26.940 So, and looks maxing is bigger than myself, right?
00:55:29.820 So even if I were to hypothetically be right or left wing,
00:55:33.000 it wouldn't change the fact that looks maxing is apolitical.
00:55:35.380 What does the S and PSL stand for?
00:55:37.720 Sledhate.com.
00:55:38.960 That's a pretty intense, like, word, right?
00:55:41.340 Yeah, I would say so.
00:55:43.200 You don't think that, like, veers towards
00:55:44.540 sort of like a anti-woman vibe?
00:55:46.520 well that's not really a looks maxing forum but it's in the greater orbit yeah yeah so i mean
00:55:52.540 there's also like the owner of looks max.org also hosts like the you know the incel forum it's like
00:55:58.480 you know what i mean and there's plenty of hateful rhetoric on there but i actually know who that is
00:56:03.060 i've seen him on twitter but it doesn't change the fact that looks maxing as an action is apolitical
00:56:08.900 you know even if there's like people yeah because they're just trying to improve themselves it's
00:56:13.940 not political it's just how do i look better on forums who have had a lack of success with women
00:56:18.860 who suddenly turn hateful it's like yeah that that has nothing to do with looks maxing really
00:56:24.120 because the entire idea of looks maxing is to disassociate with inceldom is to escape that oh
00:56:30.260 wow that was a pretty good transformation but there is a pipeline like an incel can ascend
00:56:35.100 through looks maxing and get out of the situation i think that the word incel has been largely
00:56:41.160 misused so let's clarify this is what i was saying earlier like how long do you have to be sexless
00:56:45.980 and like what if a guy's an incel or quote-unquote sexless on and then later he gets over it was he
00:56:53.460 always an incel what that actually is incels is commonly referred to by the media as just people
00:57:00.020 who hate women on internet forums when in actuality it's someone who's involuntarily celibate
00:57:05.180 and can't get women. And it is true. A lot of those people become extremely resentful
00:57:10.400 and become extremely hateful. And that's an unfortunate thing because that's really not
00:57:15.320 productive in any regard, is it? I don't support that. Obviously, I would say it's ridiculous to
00:57:21.340 sit there all day writing up hate posts on a forum. I'm saying the way to actually fix your
00:57:26.580 life is to look smacks and not be hateful against women because you can't have any success with
00:57:33.960 them you see yourself as potentially helping people like that yeah like that's the the best
00:57:38.360 way to escape that sort of thing is actually by looks maxing have you heard any success stories
00:57:43.100 from your supporters who started off incels and are now killing shit after your protocol yeah of
00:57:47.000 course i mean that's the main way that people can escape that mentality and does that make you feel
00:57:52.920 gratified that you were able to help younger dudes yeah of course i mean the brow ridge
00:57:59.640 cut out skin care tongue hold thumb pull has anyone thumb pulled more people who could have
00:58:09.920 success from looks maxing and kind of just whoa that's so different it proves me right
00:58:18.780 so i don't seem like they have a decent want to think about it necessarily from like an
00:58:23.380 egotistical perspective it feels good because i'm still not that far out of it right so i was
00:58:29.440 that guy not too long ago so i kind of crazy the before and after
00:58:33.720 it's kind of not still can put myself in their shoes and empathize with having a bad job like
00:58:42.360 we're in a restaurant being unattractive not being able to get girls it's not like i'm you know 40
00:58:47.400 years old with a long and successful media career i just started doing this and yeah maybe i'm
00:58:53.040 successful now and my life is complete a little bit different than it was but it's not you know
00:58:58.680 completely out of my my hindsight as far as the mechanics of like the stuff you do here like how
00:59:03.920 much do you stream like how many hours per day this month are you streaming well we're streaming
00:59:07.880 24 7 for the whole marathon holy shit is that exhausting for you yeah it's been uh it's been
00:59:13.080 quite brutal so far in what sense uh just like lack of sleep because you know sometimes we'll
00:59:18.800 have a segment that comes about late in the night and then you're up till six seven in the morning
00:59:23.800 then the next day is is cooked and then you know if you get when i was in 2023 i barely slept
00:59:30.660 you try to reset your sleep schedule you can't fall asleep so that sort of thing has been
00:59:35.000 quite exhausting what have been some of your favorite moments from the stream so far this
00:59:38.480 month favorite moments from the stream we did a couple collabs like blue face was a really excited
00:59:44.560 exciting one because that was someone we were listening to throughout you know the come up of
00:59:50.440 my streaming career i know you're a rap fan yeah i like all sorts of music and then we collabed
00:59:55.740 with ryan garcia also same same day so it's pretty cool to to see that it's always just
01:00:01.100 funny when you see uh people in real life that you've only seen on like a tv growing up as far
01:00:07.080 as your clipping and distribution style who are your influences in that regard in terms of the
01:00:11.500 clipping that's not something that we really have any control over like a lot of the clips actually
01:00:16.980 make me look like quite jester because it's paid uh by kick for just a community of people on like
01:00:22.800 a cpm basis we can't like tell the clippers like oh like this moment was really good a lot of times
01:00:27.560 they'll like ai my face with like goofy filters and shit and like for example i was working out
01:00:32.600 not too long ago and they like edited it till the end of my set and they're like he only gets two
01:00:36.900 reps with this weight or whatever the clipping is is great and it really does help push you out
01:00:42.060 there like i was number one in clipping views a lot of reporters fall for like clipping memes like
01:00:46.480 A reporter called me yesterday asking about the Chad ranking thing or whatever.
01:00:51.700 I don't know if you've seen that on Twitter.
01:00:53.020 No, what is that?
01:00:53.560 Oh, my God.
01:00:54.000 I have beef with the Chad rankings because my ranking, Bruce Jenner outranked me,
01:00:58.940 or Caitlyn Jenner got a higher mogging score.
01:01:01.680 I'm like, I don't believe in this mog off, you know.
01:01:04.740 Yeah, exactly.
01:01:05.600 It's just some stupid Twitter meme, but they think it's actually part of the movement sometimes.
01:01:11.120 Did you expect that the frame mogging ASU frat leader clip would go as viral as it did?
01:01:16.480 Um, no, not really, but I never really predict what's going to go viral.
01:01:22.200 Do you orchestrate some of these moments or do they occur naturally?
01:01:24.540 They occur naturally.
01:01:25.720 Just you in the field?
01:01:26.940 Yeah.
01:01:27.380 I mean, we just stream so many hours that crazy shit is just bound to happen with the
01:01:32.140 environments that we're going into.
01:01:33.500 One thing that I've seen to be a major point of debate and contention is the whole body
01:01:37.280 count.
01:01:37.860 What do you think is the ideal body count?
01:01:39.840 Well, for who?
01:01:41.580 Let's start with for dudes, for guys like us.
01:01:44.500 I don't really think that there's an ideal.
01:01:46.920 I think that the argument that a lot of red pillars and people in the manosphere give
01:01:51.500 is like getting this amount of bodies so that you're able to understand female nature and
01:01:57.780 this, that, and the other thing when that's really not.
01:02:00.540 God, he's barely asked him about looks maxing.
01:02:03.900 I think we're going to go a little further where he walks off.
01:02:07.080 Not universal.
01:02:08.080 Like you could just encounter all of these different studies that I'm referencing from
01:02:12.880 like online dating apps or you know we're going to have a much easier time and you're going to
01:02:18.100 be a lot better off so yeah that is a hard thing for me to try to conceptualize and give a
01:02:23.820 recommendation on because I think I'm a lot different than the normal person in terms of
01:02:28.880 like what I enjoy activities I like to do so yeah that's that's why it might be like a little bit
01:02:34.100 confusing because I'm like leaving that part of the equation out of it yeah it's because I don't
01:02:38.700 know you're you i'm me and you know we get to this uh spot of being maxed out in as many metrics as
01:02:45.180 possible and then we take it from there has anybody reached full ascension ascending is
01:02:49.980 kind of like an ongoing process like is there any tens out there like people who know really no
01:02:56.060 will there ever be a sort of messiah uh not with you always get older and uglier the technology
01:03:02.220 we have now oh the methods would have to improve to the point where like like scientific evolution
01:03:06.940 right proceed that yeah more so like just surgical intervention who knows so i'm really not gonna
01:03:13.980 predict what sort of science is is going to come in the future how did you feel about the whole
01:03:18.940 like miami club controversy a few months ago the controversy i'm referring to is how many people
01:03:23.420 including controversies and the things they get wrong yeah yeah so i'd say that that would be
01:03:28.140 something that they get wrong that um you know i'm political so when you're with those guys you
01:03:33.660 you didn't know it was going to happen no no i mean no no one really intended on that like i
01:03:38.260 didn't play it it's just like kind of interesting how like that keeps getting like brought back it
01:03:42.980 really like kind of died off yeah i mean i don't really need to talk about it i was just wondering
01:03:46.800 if you had any closing commentary on or anything reflective you had to say about it i had nothing
01:03:50.860 to do with it in general what's your 10-year plan do you think that far ahead no it's actually
01:03:55.140 talking to uh one of my buddies the other day like the goalpost is always yeah and this in this
01:04:00.760 in 2026 you can't plan ahead because odds are your bitch is gonna leave you
01:04:07.180 your guy's gonna cheat i mean we've all been hurt you know what i mean the ai will take your job
01:04:13.320 you just gotta take it a day at a time moving so it would be ridiculous to set a goal for yourself
01:04:19.460 you have a dream collaboration i mean there's a lot of people who i'd like to collaborate with
01:04:25.040 some bigger media personalities. I mean, having as many like press appearances as possible is
01:04:31.420 always a good thing because it allows you to talk to new audiences, right? You're targeting a little
01:04:36.380 bit older of a demographic within Gen Z. Our demographic is basically the latest Gen Z. So
01:04:42.340 like the average Channel 5 viewer is a 27-year-old American man. Whereas I'm like more 18 to 24.
01:04:48.840 That's good. I think it's super interesting too, like the volume of content they seem to appreciate.
01:04:53.120 they like content filmed over a long time yeah it's because a lot of them aren't having real
01:04:56.320 life experiences like normal and really it seems like the only people having them are the ones in
01:05:01.360 front of the screen like normal experiences are going to be for high status people and so the
01:05:07.600 status game is just going to become more and more competitive long period of time like eight hours
01:05:12.000 of content straight and they want it live whereas our audience prefers a more polished maybe 15
01:05:16.160 minute piece that's like a bunch of footage edited perfectly and have like a narrative
01:05:19.760 mark in the through line yeah i think there's all sorts of media that people enjoy but i think the
01:05:24.940 main part of streaming that people enjoy is just like not knowing what's gonna happen next it sort
01:05:32.040 of seems like in a lot of my streams like things can take a turn for the worst the best like you
01:05:38.280 really don't know what what to expect i don't know what to expect because yeah because you're filming
01:05:41.460 so much stuff it's like a lot of things can happen is there any moments you regret from streaming
01:05:45.380 Not really, because we're here now.
01:05:48.200 So even the losses you took on the way were all part of the hustle and the journey?
01:05:51.500 Yeah, because you learn maybe that's not a good idea to do that.
01:05:55.340 From a security standpoint, how do you stop stream snipers from ruining your...
01:05:58.320 I'm not going to talk about that.
01:05:59.780 Okay.
01:06:00.500 Just because you want people to know what your protocol is?
01:06:03.360 Correct.
01:06:03.980 Word.
01:06:04.420 Trying to think what else I should ask about.
01:06:05.760 It's tough because I don't want to put you in any boxes,
01:06:07.880 but I'm sure there's people that probably want to know about various controversies
01:06:10.580 if you don't want to talk about any of this.
01:06:11.800 Cool.
01:06:11.960 I mean, more so like to talk about like lux maxing in my interviews. And it's like,
01:06:18.060 you barely talked about kind of annoying because no interviewer has actually like come up with
01:06:23.500 a question ever that's been more than what would be the number one piece of advice you would
01:06:28.380 recommend people to lux max. I've genuinely never had a single person ask me specifics about how
01:06:35.540 do these two things interact? Or how does lux maxing differ from this age to this age? Is it
01:06:41.300 still possible to look max like there's no effort really behind the questions that you guys prepare
01:06:47.440 seemingly it just seems to be a lot of like gotcha mode like clip farm shit i'm not doing that yeah
01:06:54.500 you are a little bit to a degree i don't think so i think when you see the full yeah he definitely
01:06:58.440 presentation it's not really going to be yeah because he keeps like asking about controversies
01:07:02.980 and you know that'll get the clicks like i know how it's done but like come on they did or clipped
01:07:08.300 well just because it's not the worst interview i've had i mean like you're you had like a couple
01:07:12.140 ones that you were trying to sneak in with like oh what is like uh what is slight it's like yeah
01:07:17.340 i mean it's the second letter in the but but i mean like you you know what you're intentionally
01:07:21.360 trying to do yeah i'm trying to figure out because it's a pretty strongly worded forum and sub yeah
01:07:25.920 and that would be and that would be fine if that question was in there because it's decently
01:07:30.500 relevant to the culture but there was not even a single a single genuine attempt at like a specific
01:07:37.720 looks max question well i'm not in the looks maxing community i'm trying to learn about it
01:07:41.220 not everyone talking to you is going to be a niche person who knows oh he just didn't do a good job
01:07:45.060 and it's it's hard to in his position because he's interviewing so many different types of people i
01:07:49.060 don't know the output schedule they have them on but the thing is the demand for content is so much
01:07:54.080 quality quantity nowadays that it's very tough to keep high quality but all the methods yeah i know
01:07:59.920 you're not in the looks maxing community but you didn't even ask a looks maxing question like at
01:08:05.120 all you don't need to be in the looks maxing community tax ask a looks maxing question i think
01:08:09.120 we've been talking about looks maxing this whole time uh we've been talking about like the philosophy
01:08:12.880 behind it and it's you want me to ask you a scientific question about maxing i just think
01:08:17.200 it's kind of funny how like that's really never been done with the amount of like media appearances
01:08:21.920 maybe people don't want to be asked that well now they will well that's quite literally what
01:08:26.880 your company is your your company's you think i work for like a like time warner your your press
01:08:32.000 companies you work for for channel five it's a youtube channel called channel five i'm not sure
01:08:36.960 i'm the ceo of my own company i don't have any agenda okay holy semantics dude like
01:08:42.800 what's a pretty big difference between working like a woman he's gaslighting
01:08:45.920 for an affiliate news station like channel five the tv company well the fact of the matter is
01:08:50.480 like you guys specifically reach out we want to interview him about looks maxing and then
01:08:56.080 you'll start asking like political questions and i'm just like okay like i don't mind it you know
01:09:01.120 know what i mean i'm not really like afraid to answer anything you know i've gone through every
01:09:05.980 single question of yours besides going about my security which is a little bit weird but um yeah
01:09:12.160 not another single attempt at anything in regards to looks max okay what's the question i should ask
01:09:17.380 well that's up to you what am i going to tell you how to do your job you're telling me you want me
01:09:21.880 to ask you about specific scientific millennial men are used to like kind of pussy men so they
01:09:27.460 kind of are used to the get along to go along gen z men don't care they've seen too many millennial
01:09:33.100 men get run over they do not care they're built different about different looks maxing methods
01:09:37.320 well i mean just you're not happy with the question about the peptides or the bone smashing
01:09:40.900 or anything like that i mean like can you not identify like anything that you have a curiosity
01:09:46.020 about like maybe you know you work wake up with with dark circles in your eyes one morning and
01:09:52.120 like you know even something like that i mean just like even if you don't give a shit i mean
01:09:56.520 like it would be like at least you know you put a little bit of effort into i think i've done a
01:10:00.440 pretty good interview from what like context because from the context of what you guys
01:10:06.860 reached out was your intention then i would say that you've done a pretty shitty job all right
01:10:12.640 well i think people probably want to learn about you and that was what i was trying to give you
01:10:15.860 the opportunity to do i know i know i think that's that's totally fair and that's i applaud
01:10:20.160 you for that but not one you know question about about lux maxing there's been so many questions
01:10:26.500 about looks maxing i probably asked you about looks maxing like 40 times he hasn't i just don't
01:10:32.000 know the specific science i'm not in the community okay well i mean like if no but you could chat
01:10:37.480 gpt it it wouldn't take you long you were to ask about like something in regards to hair loss like
01:10:42.840 there's really nothing yeah sure hair loss you see what i mean you're telling me what to ask
01:10:48.780 so when you wake up every single morning there's too many interviewers that just haven't had to do
01:10:53.360 and you take a look in the mirror you're 100 satisfied with every single thing is that what
01:10:59.520 you're talking about yeah more or less okay dude all right well that's such coke um is he married
01:11:09.920 i i guess that's just i bet you he's got a andrew cole again there's a certain way that men talk
01:11:17.780 when they've been married if you want to be completely disingenuous that's fine with me
01:11:23.540 i guess there's just no no point to continue all right thank you for your time thank you
01:11:27.940 all right
01:11:29.540 yeah he's married anyways all right guys um let me know what you think in the comments sorry
01:11:37.460 i think i i don't know why i just thought i think this wasn't the best one i should have reacted to
01:11:43.200 something else today. Oh, but it's okay. Tomorrow I'm going to do a show on women saying they can
01:11:51.200 do it all and just outsourcing everything. So that'll be tomorrow. Okay. And that's going to
01:11:59.040 be going over Isabella's Brown, how she's grifting off of traditional women and conservatism while
01:12:05.640 only taking the parts of conservatism that benefit her. So anyways, all right guys, like the video
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