Pearl - April 26, 2026


DEBATE： Has Feminism Become Too Toxic？


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Length

8 minutes

Words per minute

188.71

Word count

1,522

Sentence count

83

Harmful content

Misogyny

33

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Toxicity

2

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Hate speech

17

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Is toxic feminism as bad as the manosphere? In this episode, I'm joined by journalist Annette Kellett and YouTuber and social media star Pearl Davis to discuss the growing problem of toxic feminism across the world and in the UK.

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00:00:00.000 Welcome back to Alex Armstrong tonight. 0.91
00:00:07.140 A fascinating report in the Mail today details that thousands of South Korean women are abandoning
00:00:12.080 men by shunning sex and marriage, deeply damaging the country's fertility rate, which is already
00:00:17.860 one of the world's lowest at just 0.8.
00:00:22.940 Well, here in the UK, Louis Theroux's documentary exposed the manosphere propelling the ideology
00:00:28.560 into the forefront of the public's debate, of course.
00:00:31.840 Everyone was talking about it.
00:00:34.220 Interestingly, though, a new statesman investigation
00:00:36.960 found that a similar phenomenon is happening with women across the world
00:00:40.580 and the country, quite frankly, as well,
00:00:43.460 as their poll found that just 35% of British women under the age of 25
00:00:48.260 holds a positive view of men.
00:00:51.640 Well, one woman told the focus group
00:00:53.320 that they would not even think about being friends with a man,
00:00:56.460 quote, because they don't see them as human. So tonight I'm asking, is toxic feminism as harmful 1.00
00:01:05.040 as toxic manosphere? Right, we're joined now by journalist and commentator Annette Kello and 1.00
00:01:11.620 YouTuber and social media star Pearl Davis. Thank you both for joining me. I think this is round
00:01:16.420 two for you guys, actually. So thank you for joining me last time and thank you for joining
00:01:20.100 me tonight. Pearl, I'll start with you. Is toxic feminism a problem across the world, but particularly
00:01:25.680 in Britain? I would say that women have no idea how good they have it. And women have really 1.00
00:01:32.980 turned into spoiled brats. Men are running society. They're doing all the infrastructure 1.00
00:01:36.860 jobs, and there's no gratitude or appreciation. It's just endless complaints on how they're not
00:01:42.500 doing enough. It's interesting, Anna, isn't it? Because we're seeing this rise, and we saw this
00:01:47.540 South Korea article where women are basically saying they don't want to be friends with men.
00:01:52.120 Do you think that this culture is not being spoke about enough?
00:01:56.760 Well, I think it's not a case of it not being spoken about enough. 1.00
00:02:02.180 I don't think there's any such thing as toxic feminism. 1.00
00:02:06.840 I think people have just got their knickers in a twist. 1.00
00:02:09.060 I think women are just being a bit more sensible. 1.00
00:02:13.340 And actually... 0.97
00:02:14.060 What about false allegations? What about paternity fraud?
00:02:17.600 Are those not toxic feminism?
00:02:19.500 um paternity false allegations amber heard is not in jail i mean like it's easy for you to say that 1.00
00:02:26.380 as as a high status woman right it's easy to say that when we have easy talking jobs but there's
00:02:31.740 men that do the dangerous and the infrastructure jobs jobs of society and women are saying they're
00:02:38.220 not even willing to be friends with men and again again they do all of the jobs that allow us to do
00:02:44.460 do what we do. There's no gratitude. And then it's just gaslighting. It's like endless gaslighting
00:02:49.360 for high status women. It's not gaslighting, actually. So you think it's okay for women... 1.00
00:02:55.900 Eternity fraud. Is that toxic? Yes or no? Let's just let Annette finish, 1.00
00:03:00.080 because I'd like you to respond to what Annette says. Go on, Annette. 0.99
00:03:02.940 I wanted to say, actually, in the UK, laws have not changed very long ago, even just, 0.96
00:03:09.500 you know, 1991, before that, men could happily rape their wives. We have to look at, you know,
00:03:17.120 1975, the Sex Discrimination Act came in, because women couldn't get mortgages or bank accounts
00:03:23.660 without a man's signature. You know, yes, of course, we're grateful for the infrastructure,
00:03:28.580 but they should be grateful for the babies. We're giving them the babies.
00:03:32.620 That's not correct. That's not correct.
00:03:34.360 Yes, that is correct. 1.00
00:03:35.340 It was a different view of history, because women couldn't historically be responsible. 1.00
00:03:39.260 supplies women have just i'm just gonna interrupt very brief because they've got a radio audience 1.00
00:03:44.660 they won't be able to hear what you're saying pearl do you want to respond to what annette 0.96
00:03:46.980 was saying and then i'll pass it back to what she's saying isn't correct and commentate again
00:03:50.500 a lot of commentators um they don't understand the historical context and so she's saying oh
00:03:56.180 men needed a man to sign off on it but it was because they could not be held responsible for
00:04:00.720 debt in the past so if you take a loan and you legally can't be responsible to pay it off well
00:04:05.520 of course, you're not going to get the loan. And so they changed it. But that it was just a
00:04:09.280 different way society was structured. Well, that's not that's not quite true,
00:04:14.760 because actually women that used to have money had to give over all women from very wealthy
00:04:21.140 families used to have to give over all their money. I mean, this was, you know, 100 years ago,
00:04:26.760 but it was perfectly legal for them to give all their money to men, particularly ones that came
00:04:31.440 from wealthy families and that's why there used to be the first legal property owner was in the
00:04:36.180 six oh hang on letting it finish because i'm letting it finish go on go on but the the thing
00:04:41.660 is with that is you know you talk about men with infrastructure and helping with things like that
00:04:47.200 but what about if a woman married okay so say you pearl married a man and he was lazy and didn't 0.57
00:04:56.240 want to help you with the children and didn't want to work and didn't want to contribute any money
00:05:00.200 Would you find that an attractive prospect? Because that can happen to people.
00:05:04.640 And when women have children, they get into very difficult financial situations sometimes. 1.00
00:05:09.560 So they have to be sure of who they're picking. 1.00
00:05:13.600 Women have easier jobs, so it's not a fair comparison. 0.58
00:05:17.240 Like, is me talking at work? 0.61
00:05:18.900 Anna, let Paul finish. Let Paul finish.
00:05:20.640 Is me talking at work? Like, let's be honest.
00:05:23.500 Us doing this job is not the same as the men doing manual labor, right?
00:05:27.460 So it's not really fair to call men lazy when we talk for a living.
00:05:32.020 Excuse me, Alex is not lazy.
00:05:34.000 He's doing a fantastic job this evening.
00:05:36.200 Leave him alone.
00:05:37.200 I bet even he would agree that it's not the same as pouring concrete.
00:05:41.180 We're in air-conditioned offenses.
00:05:43.300 We talk for a living.
00:05:44.380 And a lot of men have done those jobs, and they'll tell you it's easier. 0.98
00:05:48.000 But women have no idea because most women go into industries where we talk for a living, 1.00
00:05:53.260 get these inflated egos, and think we're better than men when we're not. 1.00
00:05:57.020 It's not to do with inflated egos.
00:05:59.440 It's to do with women being safe.
00:06:01.340 I mean, if you look in the UK as well, we have when women become mothers, the first five years of the child's life, they lose £65,000 in earnings.
00:06:12.340 So you can't compare that because there is a difference between them losing money. 0.55
00:06:16.520 Men are the majority of workplace deaths. Where are you on that?
00:06:17.340 Where are you on that? Nowhere.
00:06:18.640 Because it's a lack of gratitude and appreciation.
00:06:21.480 Sorry, what did you say? 0.99
00:06:23.540 Men are the majority of workplace deaths. 1.00
00:06:25.980 where are you on that women are more you know women don't care about their safety because 0.99
00:06:29.820 they're more likely to die from a bbl than child if women cared about their safety they're more 0.99
00:06:34.780 likely to die from a bbl than childbirth and women are signing up to get those so women do not care
00:06:40.140 about their oh yeah millions of women with bbls everywhere doing the school run i see them all
00:06:46.540 the time i mean i really don't think you have the context here most women are spending their money 1.00
00:06:51.660 on their kids and they're not trying to get you plastic surgery like you have a face full
00:06:56.620 of makeup on that's that's cost money what's wrong with that there's nothing wrong hello 0.58
00:07:01.660 i'm on tv my point is women you said women you said that women don't spend money on them or you
00:07:07.740 said they're spending money on the kids no they're not they're spending money on themselves mothers 0.55
00:07:12.060 are far more expensive than children well are you telling me it's not okay for a woman to put makeup 1.00
00:07:18.460 on now. I didn't say that it wasn't okay. I said it. I said it. I'll let you both give a final sort 1.00
00:07:26.120 of wrap up of your views. Annette, I'll pass it over to you. Then I'll give it to you, Paul. Go
00:07:28.800 on, Annette. Yes, I think women do want to have children. They do want to have a husband, but they 1.00
00:07:35.660 want to make sure it's right. In the current economy, finances are not good. So it has to
00:07:41.100 work on both sides. And there's nothing wrong with women saying that. Paul? Men are great at 1.00
00:07:47.400 everything they do and feminists are jealous and they don't give men the appreciation they deserve 1.00
00:07:51.780 all right you too there you go heated debate there journalist and commentator annette kello 1.00
00:07:55.720 thank you very much for joining me and youtube and social media star pearl davis what did you
00:08:00.000 guys think of it at home let me know gbnews.com forward slash your sake