Pearl - April 18, 2026


DEBATE： Is The Juice Worth The Squeeze？


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14 minutes

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103

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26

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38

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In this episode, Doug and Mark discuss what it means to be a man in the 21st century and how to deal with a woman who is not willing to put in the work to become a man. They discuss why it's important to have a woman in your life who is willing to do the work.

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00:00:00.000 I know it sounds fucked up. 0.99
00:00:01.840 Yes, I agree. 1.00
00:00:02.820 For most women, it's not worth the fucking effort. 1.00
00:00:05.340 I agree. 1.00
00:00:06.480 Let's listen to this. 1.00
00:00:07.840 Half the world's population has a vagina. 1.00
00:00:09.740 Why does it have to be her? 1.00
00:00:11.260 Because they're the closest to us.
00:00:12.760 That's why.
00:00:13.860 Those guys can't fly. 1.00
00:00:15.060 Half has a vagina. 1.00
00:00:16.580 Okay. 1.00
00:00:17.460 He's saying if she doesn't act right, you can just get a new one.
00:00:22.420 Yeah.
00:00:22.680 If it's not worth the effort, why would you invest the effort, right?
00:00:27.400 Like Doug is saying, there are things in life, purpose, that are more important to a man than getting laid.
00:00:32.860 Yes.
00:00:33.260 Okay, okay, now we're good. 1.00
00:00:35.280 Is this woman worth the effort? 1.00
00:00:37.040 Is she worth the effort?
00:00:38.220 You're going to have to put in the work to learn her, to learn and understand her psychology.
00:00:42.200 If she's not worth the effort, don't waste your time.
00:00:44.440 Just walk away.
00:00:45.760 You've got more important things to do.
00:00:48.260 Okay, Mark, let's say guys said they don't want to put in the effort to deal with this kind of crazy.
00:00:53.340 They want to come with a girl who already acts right.
00:00:55.640 Where would they go to find this?
00:00:57.140 nowhere if you give them a teleportation device what pearl said because you're starting from the 0.96
00:01:02.680 perspective i don't want to put in the work well then don't bitch that you don't get the outcome 0.83
00:01:06.020 you want yeah like he's shortcut to doing the work yeah i i think he's saying like if you want 0.97
00:01:10.520 a relationship you have to put in the time to understand and build her like that's it otherwise
00:01:15.200 you're not going to get one in 2026 because nobody's going to come programmed sorry i've
00:01:21.780 met i disagree with you on the other countries thing i've met the women from these countries 1.00
00:01:25.680 they're the same same story same abusiveness same attitude like i don't see a difference
00:01:31.800 i grew up yeah people who are from the soviet union ukrainian russian romanian okay so i've 0.88
00:01:38.080 seen the culture of these immigrants who come here if they don't put in the work they don't 0.98
00:01:43.060 get the outcome and then they cope and bitch and try to use religion to manipulate people 1.00
00:01:48.040 into compliance and then it creates resentment it doesn't work okay let me give a perspective 1.00
00:01:53.700 let's say you do have to do work no matter what woman don't you think there are some women that 1.00
00:01:57.460 are less work than others like does anyone not think that there are women around the world that 0.71
00:02:01.220 are easier to deal with than black american women right 100 yeah i just want to get that out there 1.00
00:02:09.620 is the juice worth the squeeze if you see that the women in your environment are not worth the 0.97
00:02:13.780 squeeze and you want a woman in your life you're gonna have to look else right is the
00:02:17.860 juice worth the squeeze is it worth the effort yeah i think i just want to squeeze as little
00:02:22.580 what's possible and not have to deal with that it makes sense it makes sense we want to find the
00:02:27.580 most efficient way to get what we want right look at us men we want to achieve purpose right business
00:02:33.180 professional whatever we are looking for the most efficient way to achieve it why because we know we
00:02:38.640 have limited opportunity costs we have limited time that's why we don't want to waste our time
00:02:43.180 on that which doesn't work this is why if you look at us men we have this ability to humble
00:02:47.760 are suffering is i want this somebody else got it let me go show him that i'm willing to learn let me
00:02:54.160 trade my humility to show him respect for the work he did and learn from him to save me time
00:03:00.960 and if you watch we men we respect another man who has the humility to say i don't know what i
00:03:06.400 don't know but you have experience i want to learn we respect men like that and we're willing to
00:03:10.560 teach him but when another man comes and he is feels entitled to us teaching him we don't respect
00:03:16.240 that we don't want to teach him if he feels entitled to an outcome like yeah no oh you got
00:03:21.120 the humility yeah let me take you under my wing let me be your mentor let me let me get the reward
00:03:27.120 of seeing you be successful right there's no shortcut to doing the work so so everything
00:03:33.440 you're saying about men will want to put in the the work and the outcome is good but the problem
00:03:38.240 is is you're talking about male entitlement women are a thousand times more entitled in this dating
00:03:45.280 thing. And remember, reciprocity is key to almost any relationship, right? So let's say you have a
00:03:53.080 man, because remember, Kevin Samuel's whole platform was built on men who built themselves
00:03:58.940 up to the point where they're ready to do what Mark says. They're ready to put the time into a
00:04:05.520 relationship. But Kevin Samuel's got popular because there's so many women who aren't willing 0.95
00:04:09.980 to reciprocate the need for want for outcomes. So what if you have a guy who's willing to put 1.00
00:04:15.820 in the time, the outcome, but the women around him, the women accessible to him aren't willing
00:04:22.260 to reciprocate that need for wanting to achieve outcomes. There is a social infrastructure in 0.84
00:04:28.720 place of women from looks rating one to looks rating 10 to not reciprocate the need and the 0.95
00:04:35.880 work for outcomes with a man i agree i can't change it yeah i'm grateful she doesn't want
00:04:42.900 to reciprocate walk away it's not worth your time yeah i think his point is just like
00:04:47.760 there's no way around it and you can't change women right i think i thought he was cooking
00:04:53.460 we'll just be on your purpose guys women are secondary what what it is so yeah i don't think
00:05:00.900 he's disagreeing that the purpose came first at least from what i understood mark what would you 0.99
00:05:05.580 tell a 17 year old today who's saying hey i'm in shape you know i work hard but the women they
00:05:10.700 don't respect me they're not no sean 25 years old law school graduate 25 year old law school
00:05:17.000 graduate still doesn't get any interest from women he says i've worked hard i got good grades 0.98
00:05:21.360 i'm respectful i'm nice i stay in shape and women still don't give a shit about me they'd rather go 0.96
00:05:26.200 to miami and deal with those guys and that's the vast majority of women and the other majority of 0.99
00:05:30.600 women that aren't going in that direction are the ones who would rather simply not date or
00:05:35.520 they'd rather date older men or they do whatever here's what i would say you're not going to change
00:05:40.760 what they do you have to accept that you can't change what they do they're going to do what they
00:05:45.180 do it is what it is now what kind of men are they chasing figure out how to demonstrate those
00:05:53.360 qualities so that instead of chasing other men they're chasing you it is what it is you're not
00:05:59.040 going to change it you can sit here and get mad about or say you know what the game is rigged
00:06:03.540 against me but damn it i want to win anyway so i'm going to figure this out we love a good underdog 0.99
00:06:08.860 story this is why the men who put in the work to win they don't put up with shit from those who 0.99
00:06:14.000 don't want to put in the work that's why they keep winning and they won't apologize for it 0.94
00:06:17.860 they put in the work they figured it out they figured out what it takes to be attractive to 0.61
00:06:22.180 women so women are coming to them so women are sliding into their dms and they're not going to 0.54
00:06:25.920 apologize but they're just going to keep winning mark you want to be a man who's winning complain
00:06:30.020 that you're not please point to me a man who's winning even tom brady's divorced but you said
00:06:34.560 earlier that you have to understand their feelings and their emotions and all this stuff and you just
00:06:38.700 can see it that women are going to miami you think the men that women are banging in miami are 0.99
00:06:44.120 understanding their feelings like you said earlier bro some of them yes some of them get the fuck 0.98
00:06:49.560 out of the men who got game yeah you can't have game without understanding female psychology 0.63
00:06:57.760 he's correct i've seen i've seen the boot camps like i've i've just i've seen too much like they
00:07:04.540 they do teach this stuff takes a lot of time though so i understand if you don't but it's like
00:07:11.240 i don't think you can discount that there's men that figure out female nature and figure out how
00:07:16.440 to make it work for them okay mark what would you say to tom brady he got divorced with gisele
00:07:21.960 bunchen because he didn't understand her emotions and all her complaining and this guy wins this
00:07:26.220 guy's winning at life and you know now that he's divorced he probably gets whatever women he wants
00:07:29.880 in miami but what would you tell him did you would you tell him you didn't understand her emotions
00:07:34.640 and her psychology well but but you know it blue pilled is a mindset like it doesn't matter your
00:07:40.060 accomplishments if you're blue pilled that's true like so like you're saying like oh he's so great
00:07:45.300 like that doesn't mean he knew anything about female nature he dated leonardo dicaprio's ex
00:07:49.680 I just don't think that understanding
00:07:51.940 I'm sorry
00:07:52.820 I'm saying like if he was dating Leonardo DiCaprio's
00:07:56.260 ex-girlfriend 1.00
00:07:57.340 like your bitch was on a yacht 1.00
00:08:00.160 last year 1.00
00:08:01.140 you were kids with her
00:08:03.160 you had a great understanding
00:08:05.440 you want to know what I would say to Tom Brady
00:08:08.480 I would ask him what's the outcome you want
00:08:10.600 and what are you doing to get it
00:08:11.780 I don't know what he's trying to accomplish in life 0.95
00:08:14.260 I can't say shit because I don't know what he wants 0.97
00:08:16.400 what advice can I give to him 0.96
00:08:18.540 if I don't know what he wants to accomplish.
00:08:21.380 Plus, his roster now includes Alex Earl and Sidney Sweeney.
00:08:25.840 I think he's doing fine.
00:08:27.920 That's true.
00:08:28.860 Also, don't forget that Tom Brady, the reason why Giselle said they got divorced
00:08:35.560 is she said, I don't want you to get on that plane to play that last season
00:08:40.780 of football after he won the Super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 0.99
00:08:44.840 He said, screw you. 0.98
00:08:46.780 I'm getting on that plane. 1.00
00:08:47.840 She probably said, if you get on that plane, I'm not going to be here when you get back.
00:08:51.520 And he got on that plane anyway.
00:08:53.920 That's what I'm saying.
00:08:54.980 Get on the plane.
00:08:56.680 Don't sit there and try to understand her feelings as to why she doesn't want you to do your purpose.
00:09:01.660 Get on the plane and go play another season of football.
00:09:04.740 That's what I'm saying.
00:09:05.280 Hold on.
00:09:05.740 Hold on.
00:09:07.280 He had to understand why she's doing it, and he saw through it.
00:09:10.420 Maybe.
00:09:10.820 I don't know.
00:09:11.500 Notice, I understand what she was doing.
00:09:13.880 She was trying to control him.
00:09:15.160 She was trying to be the alpha in the relationship.
00:09:17.240 he said this i'm not doing that i'm gonna do what i want i'm gonna go pursue my purpose
00:09:22.680 and that's what i'm saying okay he will argue guaranteed an outcome he is proof you are not
00:09:27.880 entitled to an outcome no matter where you are in life you're not entitled to an outcome
00:09:32.840 he said some high level i understand exactly what you're saying
00:09:37.320 you can be good with women and still not get the outcome you want yeah i'm not denying that but
00:09:43.480 But his point is you can't – his point is you can't, like – you just can't get around learning to be attractive to women if you want to be in a relationship.
00:09:51.720 Let's look at Fresh and Fit.
00:09:53.100 They're in Miami. 0.98
00:09:54.320 They had to fucking learn what it takes to win, and now they're winning, and they're not going to apologize for it. 0.99
00:09:59.520 They put in the work. 1.00
00:10:02.160 But they're putting that effort towards their success independent of women. 0.94
00:10:05.980 We got into this because you're talking about outcomes with women. 0.95
00:10:10.480 I never said you have to compromise.
00:10:11.240 I never said you give up your success to be successful with women.
00:10:14.960 You have to consider the opportunity cost.
00:10:17.200 Is the juice worth the squeeze?
00:10:18.480 They decided it was worth the squeeze to learn how to be successful in multiple things.
00:10:24.060 And they decided that they're going to hold themselves accountable to be successful in the areas they want to be successful in.
00:10:30.000 They said, we don't know about finance.
00:10:31.700 We're going to learn it.
00:10:32.600 We don't know about streaming.
00:10:33.900 We're going to learn it. 1.00
00:10:34.900 We don't know enough about how to be successful with women. 1.00
00:10:37.420 We're going to learn it. 1.00
00:10:38.180 they decided that the juice was worth the squeeze.
00:10:41.480 They want it badly enough and they're going to figure out how to do it and
00:10:44.960 they're going to manage it till they get the results they want.
00:10:48.340 I'm not saying surrender your purpose.
00:10:50.320 What I'm saying is,
00:10:51.240 is it worth the effort to have the relationship you want?
00:10:53.640 If yes,
00:10:54.240 put in the work.
00:10:54.760 If it's not worth the effort for you to have the relationship you want,
00:10:57.660 then admit that you don't want to put in the work and just accept the fact
00:11:00.800 you're not going to have the relationship you want.
00:11:02.620 You are not entitled to an outcome.
00:11:04.280 You want to be successful in business?
00:11:05.920 Got to put in the work.
00:11:06.740 You want to be successful when you're going to school, you've got to put in the work.
00:11:10.740 Yes, yes.
00:11:11.820 Chase, would you like to speak for black men on this topic?
00:11:17.060 I just want to say good evening, Pearl.
00:11:19.060 Good evening, everybody else.
00:11:20.540 Thanks for having me on.
00:11:22.400 I believe I just came on.
00:11:24.840 So, Mark, if I'm understanding you correctly, you say that a way to improve the chances of a relationship succeeding is to understand the emotions of your girlfriend or wife, correct?
00:11:36.360 Yes.
00:11:37.320 Okay, so I'm slightly following you there.
00:11:40.440 So would you agree that if you're going to take that path, she has to be very effective with matching her words to her emotions?
00:11:51.080 So the more effective she is with that, the better it will help you achieve that goal.
00:11:55.580 Would you agree?
00:11:56.960 Yes, but don't expect it. 1.00
00:11:59.520 Women oftentimes don't know what they're feeling. 1.00
00:12:02.640 They just know they're feeling it, but they don't know how to express it. 0.98
00:12:05.560 And oftentimes they don't even understand why as a man, you have to be like, Hey,
00:12:09.800 she's feeling a certain type of way. She probably doesn't understand why I'm going to have to figure
00:12:14.280 this out. Otherwise it's going to be hell. I'm going to be like, why the fuck are you feeling
00:12:18.300 this way? It makes no sense. She's going to resent you because you're invalidating her emotions. 0.99
00:12:22.580 She's not going to like that. As a man, you'd say she's feeling a certain type of way. It is
00:12:26.840 what it is. Let me try to figure it out. If she's not worth the effort. Okay. I can slightly get
00:12:32.580 So you do know that you're now tiptoeing around the realm of having to be a mind reader because you're only as effective as the words she tells you.
00:12:42.020 It's like instructions for putting an IKEA table together.
00:12:44.480 The more thorough and accurate it is, the better you can succeed at building the table.
00:12:48.540 But if you have to read between the lines and guess and blue means red and red means Tuesday, you are talking about being a mind reader.
00:12:57.420 So if women are chaotically emotional, generally speaking, not all women, but if they are chaotically emotional and their emotions change like the clouds, it's almost like you're trying to make an instruction manual to her, but you're having to erase and tear off the page each day.
00:13:12.720 because if she used the word apple and that means happy on tuesday the word apple is going to mean
00:13:18.480 something else on wednesday and so if it's linked to her emotions you can't do anything until she
00:13:24.100 knows herself and can communicate in a manner to which you can understand yeah is the juice worth
00:13:31.380 the squeeze you're not going to get around it you're not going to get around it no matter how
00:13:36.540 much you don't like it look at the men who are successful they put in the work to try to figure 0.97
00:13:40.880 they shut out and that's where they're having success i know it sounds fucked up yes i agree 0.98
00:13:47.260 for most women it's not worth the fucking effort i agree i agree you're not entitled to an outcome 0.98
00:13:53.880 don't expect her to come perfect don't expect her to be to be completely self-aware of why she's 0.97
00:13:59.600 feeling what she's feeling you just have to realize it is what it is i have to accept the reality of
00:14:05.220 it and let me figure out how to work with my reality to get the outcome i want or just walk
00:14:10.180 away if you don't want to put the work there's no there's no getting around it