Pearl - May 03, 2024


Do Women Have Rights in Muslim Countries？ ｜ THE SITDOWN ｜ @MohammedHijab

Mentioned
Perli
Trad Women Want The Ring Not The Man ｜ Pearl Daily Modern Housewives are Covert Feminists w⧸ @MohammedHijab

Episode Stats


Length

8 minutes

Words per minute

206.26

Word count

1,733

Sentence count

51

Harmful content

Misogyny

21

sentences flagged

Toxicity

11

sentences flagged

Hate speech

21

sentences flagged


Summary

Summaries generated with gmurro/bart-large-finetuned-filtered-spotify-podcast-summ .

In this episode, we talk about women's rights in Muslim countries, whether or not women should be allowed to own property, and if polygamy is allowed in Islam. We also discuss the pros and cons of soft-polygamy.

Transcript

Transcript generated with Whisper (turbo).
Misogyny classifications generated with MilaNLProc/bert-base-uncased-ear-misogyny .
Toxicity classifications generated with s-nlp/roberta_toxicity_classifier .
Hate speech classifications generated with facebook/roberta-hate-speech-dynabench-r4-target .
Hosts, guests, and mentioned names generated with spaCy (en_core_web_sm), reconciled against Wikidata.
00:00:00.000 oh my gosh i had another question so a couple so when i was growing up they always told us that
00:00:05.600 like muslim countries they don't have rights and whatever yeah not saying that's true i'm just 1.00
00:00:11.200 saying this is what we're told and then i interviewed someone that was from saudi arabia
00:00:16.880 and that was you know the one place that they always told me like women can't drive there is 1.00
00:00:22.640 that what you you advocate well i mean now i'm like i mean i know someone whose wife is paralyzed
00:00:29.360 because of a woman driving. So are you for that or against that? 0.76
00:00:32.320 No, no. Well, no, no. I make jokes. Women should be able to drive if they're good drivers, 1.00
00:00:38.800 but I do know that we cause more accidents based on how much we drive. Men cause more, 0.96
00:00:44.320 but they drive more. Like you have truckers and stuff.
00:00:46.640 Sure. So anyways, anyway, anyway, so.
00:00:48.720 I find that interesting. I thought you'd take the pro Saudi position.
00:00:52.000 No, it was more like, I kind of understand where they're coming from.
00:00:54.720 But, but anyways, don't, don't quote, don't, don't quote me on that.
00:00:59.720 But the women vote though, I think, even though the elections are not. 1.00
00:01:02.720 Most places women vote, right? 1.00
00:01:03.720 I mean, anyways, anyways, why is there a conception that women don't have rights in Muslim countries?
00:01:11.720 And is there any truth to it?
00:01:13.720 Well, look, I mean, let me tell you something early, right?
00:01:16.720 If someone heard, if you had a manifesto of what women should and shouldn't do, including number one, voting, et cetera. 0.97
00:01:22.720 Most people would say the country that Perli runs would be a country that women don't have as much rights. 1.00
00:01:28.580 Oh, I'm sure they would. I was like, maybe we'd agree. I don't know.
00:01:31.600 Do you know what I mean?
00:01:32.280 Yeah, yeah.
00:01:32.840 So when we say women don't have any rights, I mean, according to whose conception? 0.99
00:01:36.540 According to the feministic conception, absolutely.
00:01:38.800 They would not be happy with a lot of the norms and the traditions of the Muslim world. 1.00
00:01:43.640 But we have to be very specific as to what we're asking about.
00:01:47.400 like if we're asking about women owning property then surely in Islam I mean women were allowed to 1.00
00:01:51.720 own property before they were allowed to in many parts of the west that was always a thing that
00:01:55.080 one can do on the issue of voting I mean we don't have necessarily votes because democracy is is a
00:02:01.240 western concept but we had something called pledge of allegiance and that was both men and women were
00:02:06.360 allowed to do so for example on the issue of whether a woman has a say in the marriage surely
00:02:12.600 she does have a say in the marriage and in fact there's a verse in the Quran that says that a 1.00
00:02:17.960 woman has as much as the man has in terms of rights except that the man has one degree over her 1.00
00:02:23.320 so there's it doesn't in the Quran does not embellish the rights of the man as much as the
00:02:28.680 western man thinks that it does of course there is such a thing as obedience and of course such
00:02:33.560 thing as gender roles of course such thing as polygamy in Islam that man can marry multiple
00:02:37.080 wives and the polygyny really what if she says no to it what if she's he says I want wife number 1.00
00:02:42.200 too and she says no look no one can force anyone to do anything they don't want to do especially
00:02:47.320 if she had put that as a stipulation in the contract for marriage and then he can't do it
00:02:51.640 if she according to one view another view says that he can still do it because this is god-given
00:02:55.720 right but what's your view i take the first view that if she had put the if she had put in the
00:03:02.520 contract he has to he has to follow that okay but if she hasn't put in the contract then as he can
00:03:06.680 just take the l yeah sorry sorry just take the l for the woman you're saying well if she didn't
00:03:11.480 want it it'd be an l right yeah yeah sure but it's not going to be like that because yeah yeah it's
00:03:15.560 it in practice well westerners are in soft polygamy anyway so that's that's the thing it's 0.85
00:03:20.520 like i'm like guys you realize that if you have an ex-boyfriend you're in soft polygamy anyway
00:03:25.880 or like if you know if you're in a situationship that's basically polygamy the different the women 1.00
00:03:31.320 have more rights under islam yeah like in a way yeah i agree with that look but that's why like
00:03:37.240 they'll kind of i'm not for polygamy so don't like don't don't misquote that's very interesting i know
00:03:42.120 well okay really i how do i put this i i'm not for or against i think people are gonna
00:03:50.040 do what they're gonna do um so if you were married then your husband wanted to get a
00:03:53.880 second wife what would you say i'd just rather not okay the way he does it i'd say could we not
00:03:59.080 well i mean if i have a kid by him like you gotta you gotta stick it out at that what are you gonna
00:04:03.800 do go be a single mom like yeah your life will it be better but you would say to him you'd rather 1.00
00:04:08.680 not but yeah i mean i think what if what if a man was married and wanted you as a second wife
00:04:13.400 or third or fourth i'd rather not you know i've had actually somewhat offers like that oh really
00:04:21.720 i'm okay from people in the muslim community um yeah but not i don't want to but like
00:04:29.080 I mean, I don't know how serious they were.
00:04:31.880 Probably fully serious because they can marry a Christian woman.
00:04:35.060 They're allowed to.
00:04:36.160 I don't know.
00:04:36.740 I didn't explore it that far because...
00:04:40.200 No, but I find that interesting because, I mean, it seems to me that you're... 0.99
00:04:44.120 I think a lot of Christians are hypocritical. 0.99
00:04:46.760 Maybe you're affected by feminism a little bit here. 1.00
00:04:49.180 Maybe.
00:04:50.200 No, no. 1.00
00:04:50.560 I think, okay, I think Christians are hypocritical. 1.00
00:04:53.040 Go on. 1.00
00:04:53.420 Okay. 0.99
00:04:53.720 because the christians will say the muslims are so bad because they do the polygamy you guys can't 0.99
00:05:00.200 have polygamy yada yada yada and okay maybe one part of me understands where they're coming from 0.94
00:05:07.000 it's kind of weird to me for a guy to have multiple why that's odd really wait wait but
00:05:12.520 i think it's hypocritical because i mean ladies how many of us were virgins on our wedding days
00:05:19.160 like it's like the muslim community is like 90 yeah well okay i'm talking about like i'm saying 0.96
00:05:23.880 this is why it's hypocritical how many women have been with a cheating ex-boyfriend like everyone
00:05:30.520 how many women in the west have like have shared a man at some see that stuff doesn't apply to the 1.00
00:05:35.240 muslim community i understand but i'm saying like in the west it's like i think it's really
00:05:40.040 hypocritical for them to judge the polygamy so harshly when we are effectively doing the same
00:05:47.160 thing because most women share a man at some point and even in christian because most christians 0.99
00:05:53.320 like statistically in the west three percent of women are waiting for a religious reason for
00:05:58.760 marriage so it's not like even the trad con women are doing it like i just think it's a bit 0.97
00:06:04.200 hypocritical let me be clear like on the the most contentious issues that affect women today in
00:06:11.080 islam i would say number one is um polygamy or the man that can have up to four wives at one time 0.92
00:06:16.440 all men cannot do the same. A man can marry a Christian or a Jew, whereas a woman can only 1.00
00:06:21.000 marry a Muslim man. Well, that makes sense. Because it's like you're following, you're 0.99
00:06:26.520 supposed to, well, even the Christian point of view, like if you submit, I think it's weird 0.93
00:06:30.520 when women don't take their husband's religion, because it's like, if you're supposed to trust 0.97
00:06:35.080 him in all things. Sure, no, we wouldn't go that far. We would say a woman still has to think for 1.00
00:06:39.240 herself. I mean, definitely. Well, yeah, but why would you be with a guy where you don't trust
00:06:43.160 is judgment that's no but with religion everyone has to have their own judgment well yeah i think
00:06:48.360 yeah i get you okay so the third thing is obviously on this point obedience okay so you
00:06:55.000 gotta obey the husband uh number four is um inheritance because there's some disparity in
00:07:01.640 the way the inheritance is distributed not always necessarily not favoring the woman but it's just
00:07:06.440 not 50 50 at all cases um sometimes actually favors the woman it depends on the situation
00:07:13.800 and finally i would say the fifth most contentious issue is uh that affects women today
00:07:23.960 i think that's it i think these are the four big issues you know are we allowed to
00:07:26.840 we're not allowed to show her hair right yeah okay the dress code fair enough yeah
00:07:31.320 well i would think that's because i've heard um i haven't seen too much of lauren southern's old
00:07:37.720 stuff but she recently did a hit piece on the red pill so i saw the beginning and i guess she was
00:07:42.680 very anti-islam and i don't know i wasn't really that politically involved during this time but
00:07:49.560 she um was saying like under sharia law you have to cover your hair is that okay for a woman but 1.00
00:07:56.200 there's no punishment if she doesn't do it like it's not so that for example a woman comes out 1.00
00:07:59.880 into a muslim country okay and she doesn't have a headscarf on what's going to happen is he going 0.99
00:08:03.480 to whip her is it going to stone her there's no such punishment that's prescribed in islam you 1.00
00:08:07.960 know what i mean so this is an obligation but there's no penal punishment that if she doesn't
00:08:13.080 do it then this is going to happen these are i would say fair enough these are the five things
00:08:17.400 that are you would consider to be from a feminist perspective wrong obviously from our perspective 1.00
00:08:23.160 have considered it to be right.