Pearl - Exposing the 2025 Online Business SCAMS! w⧸ @ShivAiyar

00:00:00.000 what up guys welcome to another episode of the sit down here on the audacity network

00:00:05.120 today i have my funnels guy shiv on the show welcome welcome he's been here all week how

00:00:12.360 have you enjoyed the davis compound it's so good yeah yeah this is like the greatest place ever i'm

00:00:18.200 not gonna spoil how amazing this experience has been but it's no tell him my dad will be excited

00:00:22.980 oh yeah no just everything about it is so cool like even just the little things like i've never

00:00:27.620 been to culver's and like you show me like what to order there that chicken sandwich is incredible

00:00:33.460 and just the little things like um i'm definitely now gonna buy a fridge dedicated to just water

00:00:39.020 bottles that's such a like life hack no it's like every little that's been my whole life i didn't

00:00:44.700 know people didn't have bridges yeah well my main fridge in my kitchen's full of water yeah but i'm

00:00:50.100 like oh the separate fridge is like that's like a whole and it's got to be full size exactly so that

00:00:54.940 way you don't have to fill it because the little mini fridges you got to refill it every week then

00:00:59.020 i might as well just go fill up no no i need i need like a big fridge i need it in my office like

00:01:03.820 my second bedroom in my apartment so that is a pro tip everyone pro tip how does it compare to

00:01:10.180 san francisco that's where you're at right to put in perspective how the size difference like

00:01:15.200 my apartment is like 1200 square feet and it's considered big in san francisco like especially the

00:01:21.940 location and if you were to buy it's like 2.8 million bucks right like here it's like it's

00:01:27.380 i mean am i allowed to say there's a indoor basketball court here yeah yeah like just just

00:01:33.320 to put in perspective like there's a mother king basketball court and a bowling alley like it's just

00:01:39.860 such a different level of scale and and then this is just like the side house yeah so it's it's crazy

00:01:45.540 my dad's a genius isn't he he's a yeah yeah he designed the whole thing i'm gonna glaze him so hard

00:01:51.140 when i meet him later yeah how do you like like the country versus the city i i kind of like it

00:01:57.780 but i think for me it's like i've lived into the city whether it's bangalore city in india whether

00:02:02.960 it's uh the heart of san diego you know where i lived in la jolla or san francisco so i i really

00:02:08.420 like it honestly i think just little things like the fact when you drive there's not you're not stuck

00:02:13.220 in traffic every time so it's cool i mean there's things i miss like definitely in san francisco

00:02:18.000 everything's like a 30 second walk so that's a little weird like oh you know anytime i want to

00:02:24.000 do something i'm like oh i have to like either walk 30 40 50 minutes or i have to drive there

00:02:28.760 um but no it's cool i like it i almost think it's faster in the country because there's no traffic

00:02:34.200 right so like by the time you walk to every like you have to go down the like because i lived in

00:02:38.500 downtown london so you have to go down the apartment then you have to go wait in line but

00:02:42.800 here like if you want to go to culver's like i think you go there and back faster than you'd walk

00:02:47.080 somewhere you're in san francisco is a little different because san francisco is so tiny okay

00:02:51.920 so san francisco is only seven miles by seven miles the whole city oh wow so it's really like

00:02:56.040 everything's like a 10 minute walk oh okay so in that case and then it's also good because i end up

00:03:01.160 just getting a lot of fitness like i average like 20 000 steps a day 20k steps a day wow so that's been

00:03:06.780 good i get like none here i've definitely gained weight being here i will say so yeah because you

00:03:12.100 don't have to leave right i never leave yeah why would you why would you also uh you cook really

00:03:19.460 good rice so thank you yeah get that on camera everybody no i will say the rice was incredible

00:03:25.440 yeah and as an asian i know my rice you know i know my rice so like people fight me on the

00:03:31.520 no i know my rice was great so okay tell me about did you grow up in india and then you came here or

00:03:37.880 no so i had it kind of backwards i was born there's no accent so yeah um i was i was born in anaheim

00:03:44.200 california so near disneyland um and then kind of lived in california most of my life my mom

00:03:48.920 so my parents did immigrate here a long time ago uh but my mom went to caltech like uc irvine caltech

00:03:54.900 got a phd got a postdoc um and so because of that whole situation i mean even my parents are like

00:04:01.300 very very american like they own a house in san diego um they still to this day even though they

00:04:06.720 they did move back to india but they still pay u.s taxes and everything but um but yeah so it was the

00:04:12.300 2008 financial crisis that basically it was a combination of a lot of things uh my parents uh my

00:04:17.020 grandparents were getting sick uh and then you know they lost a lot of money in the stock market

00:04:21.260 and they just said you know if we go to india we could save a lot more money and we could have a

00:04:25.660 way better lifestyle um which is true so we when i was 15 i did high school in india which was very

00:04:31.560 weird because like whoa so you at 15 you went back to india yeah what that was a it was an what part

00:04:39.500 were you in so bangalore so south india okay and so is it because i'm just thinking like i had a

00:04:45.660 culture shock when i went there like it's so dirty and crowded it's very crowded very polluted it makes if

00:04:50.860 you think la is polluted bangalore takes it to a whole no i've never seen so much trash it's insane

00:04:55.980 it's absolutely insane now granted like where my parents live is like this gated neighborhood that's

00:05:00.020 what i was wondering yeah it was like better yeah so like in my neighborhood there are like

00:05:04.300 similar things like there is an indoor basketball court there are tennis court it's like for the

00:05:08.420 neighborhood not in my house but like um and like the streets are very nice so my neighborhood

00:05:13.220 would look right out of a magazine of like a very nice beverly hills type neighborhood and

00:05:17.760 and but the weird part is when you leave the neighborhood it's like auschwitz or something

00:05:23.200 like you're like what happened yeah so that was weird i honestly i think though like india was

00:05:28.320 really hard academically it was hard i was a straight a student in middle school or like

00:05:31.920 very close to it it was harder in india oh really a million times harder no way so like

00:05:37.920 i think in ninth grade i think in america you do like algebra two or something there you're doing like

00:05:44.080 linear algebra and like calculus three or four right out of nine so like the standards are way higher

00:05:49.520 but the problem too is they don't explain to in india the whole uh way they teach you stuff is they

00:05:54.320 just say memorize it they don't ever want to explain why it is because they they kind of think like

00:05:59.280 that's like an american thing like so i would get made fun of i'd be like can you like derive the

00:06:02.880 formula can you explain why that is and they'd be like oh americans always want to know why something

00:06:07.120 is you know so that was very hard for me because to me i'm very i've always been kind of a rebel i've

00:06:11.920 always been like unless i know why i'm not gonna do it so i went from like a straight a student to

00:06:16.400 like you know c's and d's in india so that part sucked do you feel like their school system is

00:06:21.520 more efficient though like what do you think prepares you more for the real world american or

00:06:26.240 india school that's a hot so i i think what america does great is america already america allows

00:06:33.920 the top five percent of students like because it's so lax and creative it allows like all these

00:06:40.080 innovators and inventors and creative types so in india you don't get a lot of that but

00:06:45.200 i think on average i would i argue on average my class is probably doing better than an average

00:06:50.640 american like my average class is probably you know making 150k to 250k you're working at google

00:06:57.200 apple facebook they're all engineers they're all doctors and that's that's the culture there like you

00:07:01.440 do there's only three jobs you can do if you live in south india and you have some level of money

00:07:06.080 um it's it's you're either a doctor engineer um or a lawyer and so how does that tie in like when

00:07:11.600 you graduated like oh you know i'm curious the cat is there still a caste system there so how prevalent

00:07:18.320 is it so yeah like um it's it's a little weird because like i remember when i learned the caste system

00:07:24.960 i was like 12 and i remember i came home like crying to my parents because i thought we were like

00:07:28.400 the bottom cast untouchables okay i said we're brahmins but i'm like how are we brahmins because like

00:07:33.200 we what does that mean i don't know brahman's like the top cast but it means but it's it's so

00:07:38.000 the caste system is kind of a psyop i think the caste system was created in india by entrepreneurs

00:07:42.160 because the top cast is what's called brahmins which is teachers so it just means that you're

00:07:45.760 educated but the the secret is like the third caste which i i can't believe i'm blanking on the name but

00:07:51.040 like the third caste is the business class so all those people are like super rich in india so like

00:07:56.080 the top caste is actually not this very middle how many are they are there there's like five or six and is

00:08:01.600 it still that my dad said that because they used to have a company he is a company in india or he

00:08:06.480 did you can only marry one up or one down and i he told me that he had an employee that was like

00:08:13.440 a little bit darker so she had to marry down i don't know if that's true no so no no in fact in fact

00:08:20.880 this is this is gonna be funny for people to know so in india like here americans always try to tan

00:08:25.520 there's like spray tans yeah i remember i would like even back then i my family would be like you're

00:08:30.720 too dark you're like and so there's this thing called like fair and lovely like shampoo and body

00:08:35.200 wash i'll make your skin lighter apparently something in pomegranates makes your skin lighter

00:08:39.360 like so so in india it's like all about being light skin which is really bizarre because then i'm like

00:08:43.840 why did you let the british leave like if you're so obsessed with white skin right like that's all the

00:08:49.280 white people get out of here yeah wait a minute but you all yeah so if you look at even like bollywood

00:08:54.000 movies it's always the light skin actors you kind of get prevalence um i think that's kind of going a

00:08:59.520 little bit away now but yeah i i do in india the one thing about asian countries is they don't even

00:09:05.120 know what they're saying would be considered racist here like it's just cultural like being like oh

00:09:08.880 you're too dark-skinned be lighter uh you know or um yeah like the caste system i think is more like

00:09:16.880 you said it's a little bit more loose now but it there i think it kind of makes sense because i think

00:09:22.160 the point is if you marry someone too much in abject poverty it's not really them that's the problem

00:09:27.280 it's not the girl who's in object poverty it's like now her entire family they all kind of expect

00:09:31.440 handouts so i think it's more of that that in india there's such extreme poverty and such extreme

00:09:36.240 wealth and my parents kind of landed i would say in the upper middle um so in india if you make over

00:09:43.360 40 000 us a year you're in the one percent so my parents weren't making that they were making like

00:09:48.240 80 grand a year so it was like so what cast or were you guys in we're brahmin we're the top cast

00:09:53.360 apparently oh so you're you're the number one draft so are you like royalty in india in india

00:09:58.480 kind of but well so were you were all the girls were all the girls like fanning over you in high

00:10:03.280 school oh absolutely not but you're in the top cast that's not how it works it's not how it works

00:10:08.800 because it's it's um india just has a lot of like you don't there's maybe like two kids who had

00:10:14.640 girlfriends in high school almost everyone in india doesn't even think about dating is just not a

00:10:20.000 thing you do in high school so there's like arranged marriages there right oh yeah and my

00:10:24.480 parents were but they have a great marriage like they're honest to god i look at my parents marriage

00:10:28.960 and like i've hung out with a lot of other people in america and i go i think my parents

00:10:32.960 marriage ranks way higher than most and like it wasn't anything bad but to be fair my parents are

00:10:39.040 like the greatest roommates of all time i don't see i don't think it's like a hollywood love story

00:10:45.120 but yeah a lot of people arrange marriage but it's not what people think it's not like my it's not

00:10:48.640 like my parents like and if you're a lower caste in india sometimes you meet your spouse like on

00:10:54.400 your wedding day you don't even get to meet them you just find out this is who i'm going to be with

00:10:57.840 it's which is not so what if they don't like them or like is there like there's not that's where this

00:11:03.440 is where india i would argue is worse when it comes to feminism than america it's just kind of like

00:11:08.800 because the problem is when you use religion always as your scapegoat like well this is what the

00:11:14.160 astrology and the stars aligned and you guys are together forever there is a lot of that but

00:11:18.880 thankfully indians are not like very um yeah i feel like indians are very pragmatic so it tends to

00:11:25.360 work out okay but yeah that my parents at least got to like talk and hang out a few times and like

00:11:30.640 actually like it was more it wasn't like they were for they both got to agree to it but yeah so

00:11:36.400 how did you start the funnel stuff like what so you graduate high school and yeah so then i

00:11:41.360 were you like i need to come back to america i need every day so the only the only saving grace

00:11:47.840 in india was i had a tremendous amount of friends like okay i like legitimately like i felt like i had

00:11:53.040 over 100 plus real friends like um and is it more community based very like so much so that i could

00:12:00.560 walk into anyone's house and it would just be normal like it'd be like i could walk in like for

00:12:05.200 example i play piano as you know um i could walk into my friend's house who has a grand piano and just

00:12:09.840 play it i don't have to like knock on the door i don't need to play it i don't need it and were

00:12:13.680 these people you lived near yeah because in that neighborhood okay um but it was very like it felt

00:12:19.200 like a sitcom so i had like a nintendo wii which a lot of indians didn't have in india so like people

00:12:23.200 come play like my game console or i'd play i it was just very yeah every day there's always something

00:12:28.720 to do oh you could just go say want to play tennis want to do this or that so that was cool is it still

00:12:34.080 like that or has it changed it's still like that okay still very very like even when i'm there now

00:12:39.520 um like you could even like sometimes my parents will just knock on a random neighbor's door and go

00:12:43.760 like hey we ran out of like radishes can we just borrow radishes where here i don't know my neighbors

00:12:48.880 i i have no idea who my neighbors are so i wonder actually in this kind of like the not city areas

00:12:54.160 like suburbs like here does that happen too is it do you kind of know everyone around you or not really

00:12:58.480 i went to catholic school so it's a little different we didn't know our neighbors because

00:13:02.880 everyone's driving 20 to 30 minutes to go to school right and so it's not based on like zip code

00:13:08.960 so all of the activities we did like i knew everyone from like my middle school but um again they didn't

00:13:16.000 live in it but it still wasn't that relationship where like if they just showed up to your house

00:13:20.160 uninvited it wouldn't be like it'd be weird i mean to be honest my childhood was pretty busy like we

00:13:26.320 all did three sports right so like when were they gonna like when would they no one would be here

00:13:30.640 right like when would they come right like i mean i did travel sports from the time i was like 10.

00:13:36.240 right and and so in india that's like a little different too because everything you do is like

00:13:39.760 in the neighborhood yeah because it's such a populated place no i was i was going to like

00:13:44.560 different states on the weekends yeah i was like 13. yeah so that was the only good thing about india is

00:13:49.600 i did have a really crazy social circle but no like i wanted so badly to come back to us because

00:13:56.240 um in india at least in south india and bangalore they don't admire entrepreneurship and i was always

00:14:00.800 a business guy like i was selling my homework notes in america like i would get in trouble at the

00:14:05.200 principal's office because i started some business that like became like somewhat successful like i

00:14:09.840 used to sell my my notes to all the kids and like i did it through paypal and so i had like i had

00:14:15.280 like 700 on the paypal subscriptions and they're like you can't do that as like a 13 year old right so

00:14:20.960 so it's just stuff like that uh that in india like you didn't have that um kind of that creative

00:14:26.240 entrepreneurial spirit but i came back um and then i came back went to community college because i

00:14:30.880 don't want to take student loan debt um in fact what's funny when i applied for colleges i purposely

00:14:36.000 would screw up my college essay because my parents are that of the they're of the mentality like they

00:14:40.400 would spend their life savings for me to go to school and i was like i don't want to waste your like

00:14:44.640 three hundred thousand dollars going to a private school when i kind of knew i was very good at

00:14:49.440 marketing i was very good at like yeah just this world that i don't think college teaches i don't

00:14:54.160 think college teaches funnels right um so 18 i'm doing odd jobs like odd jobs in terms of i was like

00:15:00.080 building websites for people freelancing i'm trying to pay my way through school um and then i basically

00:15:06.640 learned that people say they want a website but they really don't okay they really wanted more

00:15:13.840 customers so i found that out the hard way like that because i would go like someone who paid me 500

00:15:19.200 dollars like a party bus uh company in santa ana california would pay me 500 bucks one time to

00:15:23.680 build them a site and then they'd be like well the color of the site's off the fonts off but this is

00:15:28.080 off and i'd be working over months getting the site how they want it must have been the copyright or

00:15:33.680 something i'm guessing yeah right yeah everything was just like no matter what i did they were never

00:15:38.240 happy um and then i finally figured out that what happened was my site just accidentally ranked on

00:15:43.840 google and ended up being like the first search term and then they were really thrilled and they

00:15:48.240 were like oh my god we're getting so many calls this is awesome and i went crap i got 500 once

00:15:53.520 yeah and this person's now making like 10 grand a month extra in business so that's when i realized

00:15:58.960 oh what does facebook do what does instagram do like they sell your data the money's all on the data

00:16:03.360 so that's what so what i would do is i'd offer businesses um to build their websites for free

00:16:08.080 but then i would say you pay me for every phone call i get you and i'd use like a google voice number like

00:16:12.160 a voice over ip number to track it um and that kind of started um my like career in this where

00:16:18.400 i was i got to a point where i was making 6 500 a month in community college which i thought was a

00:16:23.120 trillion dollars when you're like yeah 19 years old yeah so i was as funny too because like back then i

00:16:29.520 was balling in the sense that i buy like everyone like like ramen noodles that's there's like the

00:16:34.320 little like the cutest things like i like we're at the vending machine i'll just be like i got everyone's

00:16:38.000 stuff and then i felt like yeah i just felt like i to this day i think that's the richest i felt like

00:16:43.440 just at 6 500 a month at 19. um and then i made a decision so i called my parents and i said you know

00:16:49.120 i think i'm going to take a gap year and just lean into this um and they were pissed um because my

00:16:55.920 family is indian parent you can't do that you understand too my mom has a phd like yeah you know

00:17:00.960 that she's so she's going just get an undergrad like you're not even gonna get that yeah um and

00:17:07.760 so that was like a very difficult thing but i found a guy um i guess you want to call like a mentor or

00:17:13.200 whatever but i found a guy who was doing well marketing and i just honestly i offered him like

00:17:17.760 i'll babysit your kids i'll wash your car like i just need guidance of people who are successful

00:17:22.320 and he was doing about like a hundred something thousand a month net um in marketing so i just said

00:17:28.080 so we kind of hit it off and he said just come to my house and his house had an elevator and stuff

00:17:32.000 like that so it and yeah so that kind of started the relationship finding good mentors is so game

00:17:38.320 changing it's the biggest thing it's yeah like even on youtube i sent a cold message to he was like

00:17:45.280 at the time that had a video at the daily wire yep i never worked there i'd like to everyone always

00:17:50.560 says i used to work but um and he ghosted me for a year and then like i i ended up like messaging him

00:17:58.160 again and like that connection helped me so much because he taught they teach you all the stuff that

00:18:04.400 other people like waste time on yeah oh for sure oh you met him the other day on the call no i know i

00:18:10.000 know exactly what you're talking about no and that's the same thing that happened for me but what was

00:18:14.560 kind of magical about that experience was that i also had a lot to bring to the table for him

00:18:19.600 because i'm also younger age i know yeah snapchat was big there's like certain things that i knew

00:18:24.480 the trends of that even he didn't because he was way older with kids so i think we just so i actually

00:18:30.400 started off as larry like the coffee guy i worked for free so i i think the big pro tip i'd give

00:18:35.360 anyone is like if you're struggling and don't know what to do in life especially for like 18 19

00:18:39.520 as long as you don't starve to death working for free is the biggest life act but the secret is

00:18:44.160 find someone worth a crap to work for free yeah right um and and they'll pay you if they see if

00:18:50.080 they see like yeah like rich rich people like especially high performing men it's so rare to

00:18:58.720 find other high performing people yeah that if you show initiative and like drive and like you want to

00:19:04.800 look like they will go to the ends of the earth to help you because it's so rare to find that right it

00:19:12.320 was like a i think it was like a grand total of 20 days of me working for him for free and then he's

00:19:17.120 like i'm gonna start paying you yeah so because he couldn't believe it because i was just all in

00:19:21.840 yeah um and down to i never i always have this attitude of like always if there's a way it could

00:19:28.160 be helpful be helpful right but to your point i think what rich people can't stand is when the first

00:19:35.440 thing out of your mouth is asking for money yeah so that is like it doesn't matter if you're even

00:19:39.280 valuable if you ask for money off the get-go they're so turned off because everyone asks them

00:19:43.680 for money all the time everyone asks them for a job all the time so i think for me it was genius

00:19:49.200 because how'd you find them just friend of a friend okay actually it's kind of funny because i

00:19:56.240 not to go too much on this tangent but i i got into this thing called network marketing it's really

00:19:59.520 crappy business like amway okay and uh i ended up doing okay in amway because my in college i just

00:20:05.840 tell college kids hey join this thing 100 bucks a month and i'm like you're probably never going

00:20:09.840 to make money doing it but you'll be around other kids who are ambitious and that's going to be worth

00:20:13.440 it so i i made a little bit of money in that but it was a kid it was a kid who was jealous of me in

00:20:18.000 that company it was like oh you're more suited for this like guy who builds like websites sitting

00:20:23.200 so he he was trying to like insult me but then i was like oh so i hit that guy up

00:20:28.240 and then we ended up making like millions of dollars together but yeah and we made we did really well

00:20:33.200 together i mean to a point where i i got i met him when i was 19 um by the time i by the time i

00:20:39.520 turned 21 he was paying me 250 000 a year yeah so like real net like that's my income right not i know

00:20:46.080 everyone says revenue um so i want to talk about like what i actually made myself but um but it was

00:20:51.200 all commission so what ended up happening was it was thanksgiving day he forgot to turn off his like

00:20:56.000 calendar so there was sales calls on this calendar and so i went i'll take him because he was just

00:21:03.040 going to reschedule and he's like you like you know at the time i and i still come across like

00:21:08.000 very nerdy very dorky so like see people don't think i would know sales um but i was like i'll

00:21:12.560 give it a attempt so i ended up closing all four deals that day and then he was like oh you should

00:21:16.480 do sales so it started out with me doing sales for him and then i got paid 15 commission i got to

00:21:21.920 like 30 grand a month really quick doing that um and then it became me running the sales team so at

00:21:26.640 one point i had 63 sales people working for me when i was like 22 23 holy crap so it's like a lot of like

00:21:31.280 like i didn't the truth is i didn't know what i was doing for most of that those years but i think

00:21:36.160 there's something magical to having like the proverbial gun to your head like i have to make

00:21:41.040 this work yeah and i learned from doing it yeah it's great and there was a lot of things that

00:21:45.600 actually and because i'm not naturally a sales guy there's a lot of things i did that were really

00:21:49.840 smart like i i knew how to be pushy without being pushy like i learned to like i i because i i didn't

00:21:56.560 know how to like be aggressive but i figured out that actually that worked in my advantage because

00:22:01.360 people would be like man like this is the first sales call i've done where you're not like trying

00:22:04.960 to slam me into something yeah so i think that was like big for him because he used to sell used

00:22:09.600 cars for a living so like for him he was just like a buy or die you know like yeah you know like he used

00:22:15.520 to do steroids in college like he's one of those you know meathead type type folk and then i'm like

00:22:20.880 i'm kind of going through this back door way of getting sales um and we had a really high

00:22:25.360 clothes right we made a lot so we went from i think his business was doing like 200 grand a

00:22:28.720 month when i started with him we ended up going to 2.5 million million is that profit or is that

00:22:33.520 revenue he was that that was so it was most of it was profit so he was like netting he was

00:22:40.640 netting like 120 grand a month on 200 grand of revenue then at 2.5 million he was like 900 grand

00:22:46.480 wow that's great and i was making i'm thrilled because i'm making like 40 grand a month right i'm

00:22:50.400 thrilled um but we we ended up after so many years it got to a point where i i was like hey

00:22:56.720 um i just think it got to a point i was working 80 100 hours a week i mean i don't know if they

00:23:01.520 could see it on camera but like a lot of my hair is gray like it was very stressful it was very very

00:23:06.080 stressful um but i was doing really well to the point where when i was 24 i was taking home like

00:23:11.520 650 000 a year um but the problem is i had no life like i literally worked seven days a week i would wake up

00:23:18.320 work go to bed that was my whole routine um so i just think i got to a point where i was like you

00:23:25.360 know i don't even know myself i haven't i haven't even at that point i didn't even take a sip of

00:23:29.200 alcohol like it was like or barely you know so i just think that was the hard part for me it was i

00:23:34.720 it's tough to bowl yeah so we ended up having it was like it was kind of like i think everyone

00:23:41.040 understood i was like you know i kind of need to go take some time off do my own thing so i ended up

00:23:46.480 quitting to build my own company and then yeah here we are again and now it does three million

00:23:50.800 bucks a year and yeah i feel like when you have a really high performer it's kind of like expected

00:23:56.640 that at some point they're gonna go well i think the secret though because i have a lot of hype like

00:24:01.760 now it's funny because i learned from that mistake i have really smart people who work for me now

00:24:06.480 and what should what should they have done to keep you they should have they should have not capped me

00:24:11.200 at the money i'm gonna make they put a cap they're like you're making too much money so it basically

00:24:16.320 it was because when i was making 650k a year they're like okay that's too much money for a 24 year old

00:24:20.800 i'm like but i'm like but i'm but that was all commission based yeah but the more money i make

00:24:26.400 the more you make so why would you care and so i think the problem with a lot of people is they look

00:24:32.080 at the physical dollar they're paying someone but if it's commission only you should never cap that

00:24:36.320 person i would love like if i like for me on my team i hope my my sales person makes 20 million a

00:24:41.680 year because that means i'm making like 100 right right so that was really stupid i think it was ego

00:24:46.400 because he was kind of successful young but now it was getting to the point where like never out of

00:24:52.960 time to mask right but i see this and get pissed what is it really you see this and get pissed probably

00:25:00.080 well i think now he understood honestly like don't get me wrong when i left i'm not gonna i was look the

00:25:05.760 truth is like i didn't i didn't have any animosity um we kind of left a little dirty because obviously

00:25:12.000 it's it's i think the the hard part for me was he felt like i was like his adopted kid because i'm

00:25:17.600 coming in this guy has kids i'm like the 19 year old young skinny intern who looked like i was starving

00:25:22.240 from india and now i'm like eating caviar and like you know driving a cool car and stuff and like living

00:25:27.440 in a nice place so there's a part of him that felt like he made me and there's truth to that like i'm

00:25:33.840 not gonna take that away no he he gave me a lot that's why i will never talk talk bad about him

00:25:38.480 even though at the time it was kind of contentious when i left but um but vice versa like i also brought

00:25:45.360 a lot to the table too because there's not a lot of people like me who would work that hard and work

00:25:49.840 for free and like grind the way i did for that many years um and so i think now i feel like now there's

00:25:58.320 like a level of mutual respect because i've also done it again you know and so now because i think that's

00:26:02.960 always the thing when you leave someone it's like was i only successful because of them right yeah

00:26:09.200 and so i think now i have this confidence where i go okay like i did it again and i did it way smarter

00:26:15.440 way better the next time through um and i have people on my team that ironically i pay i paid someone

00:26:21.040 like i have people on my team that i paid 30 40 grand a month you know and for me i'm always telling

00:26:26.480 them ways to get to 80 grand a month like why would i ever cap a high performer so that was their only

00:26:31.920 mistake so what was the business you started so you teach people from what i understand you teach

00:26:39.440 people that want to go like the digital route how to like leave their nine to five so there's two

00:26:43.840 things i do so i actually do actually rank like i do have business owners that basically i do their

00:26:49.280 marketing forum i help them get customers and then we have some type of profit split so i have a bunch

00:26:54.240 of clients on that side um and then obviously i was so good at that and the cool part with that

00:26:58.320 business it's all like passive income so like it's really nice because it's a lot of work up front

00:27:03.840 um it usually takes about six months to get any money turning from a business owner but once the

00:27:08.240 site's ranked on google especially for like let's say towing in foster city california like these small

00:27:12.160 cities um they kind of stay ranked because think about it you just have to be a better website builder

00:27:17.520 and a better person at marketing than the five blue collar tow truck companies in foster city

00:27:22.000 right so the competition's so low um and it doesn't ever go away never goes away and like even

00:27:29.040 right now if you were to chat gbt the clients i work for i show up on chat gbt as the number one

00:27:33.680 result no way yeah so what people don't know about ai is that ai just uses search like chat gbt

00:27:39.520 uses bing search to find all their answers oh interesting and they just takes the search data

00:27:43.520 and tries to like make it into human text and so what are the tools you suggest people use to go

00:27:50.160 digital like if you want to i mean you met my guitar teacher the other day like he wants to go

00:27:54.880 digital or someone like him right i mean i think it all depends if you have a business already i think

00:28:00.800 you're crazy for not running any type of digital ads if you're the business owner so if you're like

00:28:04.880 the guitar teacher as a music studio or something you're crazy for not running a google ad a facebook

00:28:09.840 ad a snapchat at some type of ad that's always the easiest thing to do um i think building a brand

00:28:14.960 only makes sense if you're trying to go big if you're trying to get to seven figures or eight figures

00:28:19.280 then you have to go make youtube videos and build something but if you're just trying to go from

00:28:23.840 like you're making five grand a month to like 15 grand a month in your business ads and you should

00:28:29.920 invest in some type of organic like you should be the number one result in your area that's crazy to

00:28:34.240 me that you would that's not yeah how long does it take someone to go from knowing nothing about ads

00:28:39.440 to like being able to successfully run them so i'd imagine a lot of people waste a ton of money every

00:28:44.560 year on it well ads are really simple if you're trying to if you have a tiny business because if

00:28:51.200 you spend 500 a month on ads the hard part with ads is scaling ads and that's where you need like a phd

00:28:56.560 in this stuff so i don't like ads i've always been the free google person like rank on google i'm also

00:29:02.080 cheap i like profit okay like i feel like everyone's so obsessed with revenue and i'm like i really

00:29:06.400 couldn't care less if you make 100 million in revenue i know so many entrepreneurs who do 100 million in

00:29:10.560 revenue but they're like losing money every year and they have to get like venture capital and

00:29:13.680 investors i love the fact that i own 100 of my stuff like yeah you know and i i like few people

00:29:19.120 the way i work is i'd rather work with like one or two and really high level people than have like

00:29:24.080 a hundred employees right yeah i had a ton of employees at one point and it's my life is so much

00:29:30.560 better like with just a few exactly it's so like god you know when they talk about like women not being

00:29:37.600 able to be ceos and stuff it's like people think that managing people like managing people is so

00:29:44.480 stressful it's insane there's a ton of men that don't even like managing people yeah you know what

00:29:49.040 i'm saying that's what made my dad so successful because he's really good at it like he's a very

00:29:54.560 good facilitator but it's like a rare trait and like it my dad even says like out of all my siblings

00:30:01.920 there's maybe one and there's 10 of us that could manage a big company you know and it's it's just

00:30:08.720 like a the ability to manage a lot of people is just a specific like skill set yeah and my you could

00:30:16.000 tell me if you think differently i think you either have it or you don't or maybe you're you kind of have

00:30:21.760 it and you have to learn it but i i think it's tough to take someone from like here to here yeah well

00:30:27.440 and i did like working with that that business partner when i was young i had 63 people and i was

00:30:34.080 you know i was good at it to be honest the problem was i was good at it at the sacrifice of

00:30:41.280 my own life yeah so that's why i was good at it because i was willing to have no life

00:30:46.080 that's why i feel like what i'm really good at and this is what i'm proud of like now i have a

00:30:49.920 coaching program which i know is cliche there's like a lot of stigma of creating coaching programs

00:30:54.000 but i feel like i have real track record now so i've only done the coaching program for like

00:30:57.920 two and a half years okay so i i do feel like you know i i made millions of dollars prior to like

00:31:03.200 teaching people stuff so i feel like it's very different than like there's a lot of kids who'll

00:31:07.040 just go rent a lambo and like an airbnb and say like i'll teach you how to get rich it's like well

00:31:10.960 you haven't done it anything yet you know or they did it like they got rich off of what they're

00:31:16.080 selling right exactly so it's like how i right it's like they're selling how to make money courses

00:31:21.680 right but they made zero dollars prior yeah now they make millions yeah and it's like you made

00:31:26.160 the money off of the make money exactly so to me like i feel and and the cool thing with me is like

00:31:31.760 my price is right direct it's like every and i even say on my page like everything that can go wrong

00:31:36.800 with the business so my thing is it's like very non-hype all my videos are like on a white background

00:31:41.520 yeah like no one even knows i don't even think i say like in this interview i'll talk about my past

00:31:46.880 but like i don't even talk about like how much money i've personally made you know in business so

00:31:50.960 my thing is like i feel like if you're trying to over hype someone then you don't have a good

00:31:55.600 product i really hate when people guarantee results right it's just not practical like

00:32:00.720 even me when i sign like youtube clients i'm like look i'm not a miracle worker if you're not

00:32:05.120 entertaining and people don't like you i can give you the tools that if you will be good right i mean

00:32:12.080 i'm giving you everything you need but i i'm not going to guarantee anything right because if you're

00:32:17.440 not entertaining i'm not a miracle worker that's the way i'd put it like so for me i'm really good

00:32:22.720 at if someone already has the drive and motivation and let's say they were gonna figure this out like

00:32:28.720 what i do like they were gonna try to figure it out on their own and get to like two grand a month

00:32:32.400 i know with me and my coaching i can get you to 20. but if you're someone who's gonna make zero

00:32:36.880 anyway because you have no work ethic you don't know how to problem solve a little bit you you're like

00:32:40.800 always living like a victim there's nothing i can do and also life's long like for me i feel like

00:32:46.080 there's times where even stuff i get into now the first year i kind of slap it's like working out

00:32:50.720 right there's there's years where i i really get into it there's years not so i think people have

00:32:55.760 to play the long game um i always find it strange that with college people are totally okay going 200

00:33:02.720 grand in debt and they have no expectations when they get out or very low that's a really interesting

00:33:07.520 way to put it yeah but then spend a few thousand dollars with someone who has a track record and then

00:33:11.600 they go like three months in i'm not a millionaire it's like wait a minute yeah like you you told me

00:33:17.200 you have a gender studies agreement 200 grand in debt the worst clients are the ones that will run

00:33:23.200 if anything like goes wrong immediately like oh my gosh like we had we had an issue where it was

00:33:29.760 someone when we moved because we were moving countries and like we had we had two clients right

00:33:35.280 and one we had issues with when we like we kind of i'm just going to be honest we were slacking that

00:33:40.320 month because we had to move i moved countries right right and one of them was like hey these

00:33:44.640 are problems we're not like we're here to work with you and so like i'm just letting you know these

00:33:50.800 are problems so you can fix them and the one like ripped me off for a month like he they they yeah and

00:33:57.440 the guys that walked away they're like at the same number of subs they've like lost so their

00:34:03.520 presence i would say right and the one that stayed got a hundred thousand subscribers in six months

00:34:08.720 right but it's like dealing with clients with no patience when anything goes and it's not like

00:34:14.480 you're attempting to but things happen it's right life and so you know it's like the ones that assume

00:34:21.120 your bad faith does that make sense like they're just waiting for a reason to get mad at you you're

00:34:26.080 like i just keep them right like that's what i told them like they ripped me off for a month and

00:34:30.800 i'm like just keep the money i don't i'll just good luck you know that's why i think most people

00:34:36.320 should not be managers because like what made me a good manager was knowing that people like

00:34:42.640 the full life cycle of a person like if someone was really good to me but they had two bad months

00:34:48.640 in sales let's say they're one of my sales people back then yeah like if it was any other sales

00:34:53.600 organization they would have got fired but i was smart enough to be like actually how about you take

00:34:57.280 the next month really off and i'm gonna pay you money out of my own pocket so you can take a real go

00:35:01.760 take a real vacation and come back so like so like i was very smart at like no not looking at

00:35:09.120 someone so transactionally and looking at the full life cycle of a person and i find the same way when

00:35:13.440 people join with with what i do the ones that look at it of like hey i want to get here in three years

00:35:19.520 those people always make it and i have so many i mean i have hundreds upon hundreds of people

00:35:23.200 who get to like 10 grand a month of like passive income through seo or whatever um but those people

00:35:28.560 had a long-term view it's the people who are like i need to get to this place in three months

00:35:33.120 that's what my dad would always my dad would always teach me as a woman we have a hard time with this

00:35:38.000 but whenever i get frustrated about something he's like focus on the solution focus on like what is the

00:35:43.280 problem what is the solution but it's like when you focus too long on like this is a problem this is

00:35:48.640 especially as a manager you can't otherwise nothing gets fixed and you just get mad at the employee

00:35:54.080 yeah exactly and don't get me wrong like now i have a way thinner like with my company you know

00:35:59.120 i have just a few smart people and i just talk to them and you know so i think the biggest thing will

00:36:04.720 waste more money than a bad employee i know so i just have really smart people around me and i pay

00:36:09.360 them like like superstars yeah so my my thing now is i'm all about take the few and and the biggest thing

00:36:16.960 for me and the biggest thing i think i could teach people is like the lifestyle like i wake up when i

00:36:20.560 want i could travel when i want like when you asked me to come out here that's the stuff i feel

00:36:25.040 that look there's a lot of people make a lot of money in the world like i think the one thing i

00:36:28.640 have over them is the fact that like i can make i could kind of do whatever i want to do yeah and

00:36:35.440 that's a other animal like to me freedom has always been my thing i would rather make you know

00:36:42.480 like i'd rather let's just pick hypothetical numbers like i'd rather make like 500 grand a year

00:36:47.440 but have like the freedom to kind of do what i want then make like 10 million a year but like

00:36:53.200 i have to wake up at 5 a.m every day grind all the time god 5 a.m or whatever it is right like to me

00:36:58.640 i'm i'm very much more of a like i want to be able to travel like when i it was really cool with my

00:37:03.840 parents like you know my dad in india when you turn 60 is like a big religious thing the the fact that

00:37:08.800 and i'm not even that religious but the fact i just went and decided impromptu to spend six weeks

00:37:13.600 alone like that's cool like like there's no world where if i worked for someone i could do that

00:37:18.320 yeah like just be like i'm just gonna go dip for six weeks yeah um and just take my laptop with me

00:37:24.080 so i think that's the coolest part about a digital business it built right is that um i could kind of

00:37:29.280 run my whole business through my phone through a laptop but the number of hours i work today it was a

00:37:33.920 lot of work to get here i don't want to deny that but you can if you build a digital business right

00:37:39.040 you can get to a point where it's very easy to run and the whole world's going digital yeah like

00:37:44.480 this is the future people try to fight people try to fight it but it just is what it is in fact

00:37:50.240 this is like a little fun anecdote so like i've always built remote so i've never even when i worked

00:37:54.480 with the other business partner i've never we've always worked either at his house or just i've

00:37:58.640 always worked at home yeah um so much so that when covet happened jordan belford the wolf of wall

00:38:04.560 street guy he he hit me up because he heard he's like saw me at a conference and he was asking me

00:38:09.360 advice of how to run a remote sales team because he was like i've always done it with like people in

00:38:13.360 a in a building he's like i can't believe you built a company to like 30 million a year

00:38:18.320 and you've never seen half these people ever you know so i feel like now it's cool like but i

00:38:23.760 sometimes it annoys me because i'm like i did this before it was cool like work from home i did that way

00:38:28.000 before it was cool i did it when it was kind of lame you were kind of like a loser you worked at home like

00:38:32.000 now everyone does that's how i feel about all these influencers quitting their jobs to be tick

00:38:36.320 tockers or youtubers i'm like i did it first and i wouldn't recommend it most of you are going to

00:38:42.560 fail exactly none of you have the work ethic because the thing is i feel like digital businesses it's

00:38:49.920 not like manual labor but it's very competitive would you would you agree with that like it's yeah

00:38:54.960 which is why it's interesting the space i'm in with local um like dealing with small businesses and

00:39:00.400 small cities and ranking on google it's very non-competitive really it's very easy because

00:39:05.680 i found a really cool market where a lot of these blue-collar businesses think like your roofer

00:39:10.160 your um tree service tree care person people who do things with their hands like they're brilliant

00:39:16.240 people but their brain their brain is not computer driven yeah and so like i've taught people and then

00:39:21.920 the funny part is people don't realize to build a website's drag and drop you don't you could have a

00:39:26.960 i have 12 year olds like parents who join my program and they make their kids do it i have

00:39:30.720 like a 14 year old girl who's at three grand a month like wow from what i taught her so like i

00:39:35.920 just know that it's so easy to teach people on the web but because you just have to build a better

00:39:40.720 website than the tow truck person than the tree care person and the bar is so low in fact i think

00:39:45.280 it's like 40 of business owners don't even have a website at all i think that it should be in schools

00:39:51.280 this stuff it should like that that is going to be the most useful i think this video editing like

00:39:57.360 it's it's the most useful thing that schools are kind of behind on there's no schools that teach

00:40:02.640 and that's the only reason why i dropped out like i liked school i was a good student most of my life

00:40:07.920 india was a little exception but i think that everyone understands why that was i like school i

00:40:12.800 like college but in this space i would argue college almost makes you worse in fact i i like in the

00:40:19.760 beginning i would hire people from like mit and harvard and they were my worst people really i

00:40:23.680 would have to like give them out of my pocket like 10 grand to leave i'd be like just to be nice to

00:40:27.600 them like here's an extra 10 grand like please just don't work yeah yeah like the kid who yeah didn't

00:40:35.840 go like drop it at community college telling someone from mit to screw off but yeah it's just i don't

00:40:42.320 know i feel like um the digital age is weird because it's all about it changes so quick and college

00:40:49.600 can't keep up college is always so slow on what they teach so um yeah and i honestly think in this

00:40:57.360 particular industry it's actually smarter to buy a course i hate courses for certain things but like

00:41:03.520 in this world it is smart to find a mentor or find someone and pay someone and not go through

00:41:07.680 institutions so what would be your advice to someone that like wants to do what you're doing

00:41:12.800 or like wants to take their business digital what would be your step one two three four let's say even

00:41:18.560 outside of your program right and i was gonna say like the truth is like everything that i teach

00:41:23.760 you could probably find on youtube for free somewhere yeah so i'm not i i don't want to

00:41:28.080 like lie and be like oh you have to buy my program i say the same thing right it's like no you don't

00:41:32.480 you can go youtube it i think the value obviously by my program is more the community because there's

00:41:36.560 900 people in it and like it's the it's you're around people who are motivated and like you get live

00:41:41.920 time with like group time with me so it doesn't ask you questions right so it speeds the learning yeah

00:41:48.160 where like you'd have to watch 10 videos to figure out an answer right and just yeah so i get people

00:41:52.640 like that who try to do on their own first and then they come into my program like oh my god i i try to

00:41:56.960 spend two months to figure that out in five seconds but no you can do a lot of it for on youtube um i

00:42:02.720 think the biggest thing though is people should know who they are so if you're um like people actually

00:42:08.320 the funny part is introverts do really well in my business because they're ranking websites is a very

00:42:12.480 quiet activity um and so you just kind of have to know who you are and then like if you're very

00:42:18.400 extroverted what i do is i usually pair them up with the introverts usually it's like someone in my

00:42:22.640 program will um build all the websites do all the like nerd stuff like drag and drop the website

00:42:27.520 together try to rank it and then someone will talk to the business owner they'll go 50 50.

00:42:31.840 oh i see so people do really well as partnerships in my program but no i would just say youtube like

00:42:37.120 youtube's a great uh educational platform and i think so so they figure out what so then is step

00:42:42.880 two build a website like yes i'm saying someone's starting from nothing yeah so step one would be

00:42:48.000 find a niche it's a niche in cities so um i i tend to like blue collar service-based businesses so i love

00:42:54.480 towing tree service things like that so the first thing you'd want to do is find a small city so i

00:42:58.320 actually like say smaller than 350 000 in the population okay um so that's why i use foster city

00:43:03.440 california because i live there for a little bit um but it's like 30 000 people in it um and so you

00:43:09.280 pick a city like that and then the second thing you do is actually just go google search and see

00:43:14.080 are there even tow truck companies or tree care companies that even have websites in that area

00:43:17.760 if you see a lot of like yelp listings angie's list like those um yellowpages.com if you see a lot

00:43:23.200 of what i call directory sites that's how you know you can dominate okay because if you think about

00:43:27.840 it from google's vantage point yelp is google's competitor okay so google if they're ranking yelp that's

00:43:33.760 they don't want to right they kind of have no choice because it's the only thing there in the

00:43:37.840 area so that's what i would look at and then i go step three build a site um so for like foster city

00:43:44.320 towing i'd buy like fostercitytowing.com so those words match with the search it's called keyword

00:43:49.200 matching okay um and then just build some ugly site together the only thing that sucks is you have to

00:43:53.600 write a bunch of content i i give people content writers in my program but um you you can just put

00:43:58.800 some text together build a couple pages out and then um really a lot of it's just waiting around

00:44:04.480 google takes up to six months to rank um but then what i do is i would text message and call business

00:44:09.680 owners like tow truck companies in the area um and i would go to like yellowpages.com try to find a list

00:44:14.960 of businesses and i just ask them hey would you uh give me 10 commission for every customer i gave you

00:44:21.760 and then you can go to callrail.com to buy like a voice over ip phone number that's a number that'll track how

00:44:27.200 much customers you're getting them so it's like a very simplistic nice view i worked as a copywriter

00:44:32.160 when i was young amazing yeah it's a hard job honestly do you know what i i only did it for a summer

00:44:38.480 i just remember being really bored yeah that's what it was i had to do i think it was service master

00:44:45.360 was her client oh wow and i had to i just had to rewrite the same like restoration pages like i would

00:44:52.800 have to rewrite the same pages in different ways over and over again thankfully now we have some

00:45:00.400 of these ai writing tools yeah unfortunately google doesn't like a lot of them but like but yeah it's

00:45:05.120 i just feel like today um today there's you can find someone in the philippines right yeah i didn't

00:45:12.000 really understand what i was doing like i didn't i went like door to door looking for an internship for

00:45:17.920 the summer like so i didn't really care i just wanted like to work in an office and not outside

00:45:23.760 or like in retail so i went to this like office building and then the lady was like oh okay she's

00:45:29.520 really nice too and then i just went in every day and i would just like rewrite the same page

00:45:35.280 i didn't know why i was rewriting it i didn't know what it was for i just knew i'm like rewriting

00:45:41.120 oh it's awesome yeah and it was so boring but it was but i know three months but the weird part is i

00:45:48.160 know people who with their personality they love that where to me i'm more like i like to interact

00:45:52.960 with the business owner yeah like yeah i like to deal with people yeah there are people in my group

00:45:58.480 who they could just write all day long and they just are they love it yeah so that's my thing now

00:46:03.600 is like i think it's good in business to have polar opposites i think one good business partner is

00:46:08.080 brilliant yeah i've always done well when i have one other person that's kind of the opposite of me

00:46:14.160 or their strengths are my weaknesses but and so that's kind of what you teach in your program

00:46:18.320 yeah like beginning to end yeah like cop website building copyright and also picking which site to

00:46:24.640 build so i think the easiest way to think about my business is it's very similar to real estate

00:46:29.920 like the people who are the best at real estate they know location location location okay where do you

00:46:33.760 build that website there's a lot of genius to that and then two is is um like two is then

00:46:41.200 obviously putting the site together there's a certain way to put it together um like there's

00:46:44.880 certain houses that sell better than others right certain configurations and then it's um yeah and then

00:46:50.240 i think the biggest thing is like for in my business honestly the people who are the most successful

00:46:55.920 it's the people who just build the most sites and like imperfect action like throw a lot of stuff at the

00:47:00.320 wall um i think a lot of people expect perfection in this business remember the average tow truck

00:47:07.200 owner doesn't even have a website yeah it's kind of the same thing for us with videos you go i mean

00:47:12.000 because you get more data and then off of the data you can make better decisions in the future

00:47:17.200 you know like who's going to be more successful i feel like in the short run if someone makes 100 youtube

00:47:21.840 videos there's a higher chance they're going to be successful than someone who makes one incredible

00:47:26.880 youtube video because it's like it's too little data i i get long i know the creator space is a

00:47:32.240 little bit different because you have to keep stuff that's engaging but like if you just created one

00:47:37.120 amazing video and that's your whole career and that's what i see with people too they'll um when i

00:47:42.080 coach them they'll spend so much time perfecting a website i'm like my websites are the ugliest websites

00:47:46.400 ever yeah and in the video space it's more there are people i would say the top creators

00:47:53.360 don't have as many videos but they've made thousands to get there right right so they know

00:47:58.000 what tone their audience but now they have a formula correct but to get to that right to get to that

00:48:04.000 formula yeah you have to go do a lot yeah and that's the same thing with me like for me to even

00:48:09.520 figure out little things like which niches to go into which cities it took me so much screwing up

00:48:15.360 so i think a lot of times with people they're they're so afraid of screwing up right it's like no

00:48:19.200 the screwing up is part of getting really successful yeah right yeah and that's the

00:48:26.000 like you also have to be okay with losing money because sometimes you just will like that's another

00:48:31.440 yeah like i i think that some people can't make it online like because sometimes you're just going

00:48:37.680 to invest in stuff it's just not going to work and you got to try something else well i think the

00:48:42.560 hardest part with people is that they invest and then it doesn't go exactly as planned and then

00:48:49.840 they just give up instead of like no sometimes like yeah sometimes it takes a little bit longer

00:48:57.760 the way i find business for me it's like usually the like that's why i say like i see students who

00:49:01.600 they make zero dollars for the first six months it could be even nine months but then they don't

00:49:05.120 just go from zero to making 500 a month exactly they go from like zero to 20 grand a month correct

00:49:09.280 but so that's the hard that happened that happened with one of our guys like the guy said he got a

00:49:13.360 hundred thousand it was like in january he got like 30 000 subscribers from one day exactly yeah not

00:49:21.120 that he didn't make like um none but it just it like 10x like month five or something so i think that's

00:49:27.280 so in fact i would argue the the the people who should be thinking about business or thinking about

00:49:33.680 doing something on the side should be people who already have jobs right now and have stable income

00:49:38.240 yeah you don't want this to be your livelihood it's it's really devastating when i get people

00:49:42.560 who go i i got laid off i'm down to my last whatever and i have to be honest with them i'm

00:49:47.600 like if you're down your last three thousand bucks like you shouldn't go in like this is not for you

00:49:51.600 like i'm sorry you know um because it might take you nine months it might take you a year to figure it

00:49:58.000 out but you know i always assume every skill is two years yeah like when you're sucking when you're

00:50:04.400 being okay and then you're good and what's crazy is every generation that time gets less i bet you

00:50:08.240 for your dad to be like yeah like seven years until you get good like every generation was like yeah

00:50:12.880 it would take 20 years to build a career to get yeah like for my mom it took her 40 years to like

00:50:18.480 get into like a really good position um as a phd level scientist like she built only now is she like

00:50:24.640 kind of known in india as like a really good scientist but um for some reason the internet space we

00:50:30.560 expect to get really good in three months and it's yeah okay what if it took a year would you

00:50:35.760 not sacrifice a year for the rest of your life of happiness like and that's what i'm proud of is like

00:50:40.640 my 20 i sacrificed most of my early 20s um and now i go oh my god i i can like i'm pretty much

00:50:49.120 that's i i don't want to say set for the rest of my life but i have so much confidence in what i all

00:50:54.480 those years of sacrifice that i kind of know i i know how to be successful the rest of my life

00:50:59.920 but it took so much work in the beginning yeah that even now thinking back to how much work i did

00:51:05.520 i it like makes me kind of throw up like in my mouth like oh that was a lot but now i'm like man

00:51:10.800 i feel like i can like really hard business things i understand things that will like make people

00:51:16.400 pull their hair out i'm like oh i've been there done that yeah even the youtube stuff like i when

00:51:21.120 i started i assumed it would take me three years because i watched a bunch of videos from other

00:51:25.120 youtubers and that was what they said and it took me i did tick tock for a year and youtube on the

00:51:31.680 side it was like two yeah yeah it was like two yeah two years you made like no money yeah but and

00:51:38.720 you find but what i think wouldn't you still two years in the grand scheme of life oh nothing that's

00:51:46.080 what i'm saying nothing it's great and this is the best job ever yeah i get to talk yeah exactly and

00:51:50.640 talk to people like you right like this is way more interesting than like i was selling copiers

00:51:55.920 before so it's like real like dunder mifflin from the office um yeah well i guess they sold paper not

00:52:01.840 copiers yeah i well i actually started making sales copier videos no way yeah like i i think they like

00:52:08.720 lost like because they kind of discouraged me from doing it and then i was like i'm gonna go play

00:52:13.600 volleyball i'm just imagining you making like a controversial video about like no no no it was

00:52:18.640 it was just copiers like it was but i'd like i could see from a company like a young woman talking

00:52:25.600 on the internet you don't know what she's gonna say i get it did you actually sell any copiers from those

00:52:30.080 videos no not really i didn't really master the i wasn't doing it for long enough but they did know

00:52:37.520 me on linkedin in the industry like because i yeah because they um yeah i mean they did okay but i

00:52:45.760 did it was a mobotics because it was during covid oh god yeah it wasn't the best time to sell copies

00:52:51.920 no but but then also who i feel like copiers today like i don't think i've ever owned a printer you

00:52:58.480 know like a lot of people don't even own printers yeah and then if you need to scan something you just

00:53:03.120 use your phone to take a photo of it right yeah i ended up quitting anyways because i wanted to go

00:53:08.080 play overseas so right yeah cool but yeah um where can they find your stuff yeah so um somewhere on

00:53:16.720 this video there'll be a link down below or something um i i honestly just think like i've been very

00:53:23.600 weird like i think this is the first time i've ever talked online about my story um and i get that

00:53:28.640 a lot a lot of people will like join my stuff or and they'll be like i don't even know the guy's

00:53:32.720 name right because i'm i'm so personal you have such a memorable name too i know so i just figured

00:53:39.440 at this point like hanging out with you this week i was like hey any chance we could just do an

00:53:43.600 interview because um i feel like that's the number one thing i get asked about like wait i joined your

00:53:48.800 thing and i don't even know who you are right and so yeah it's i mean my life story is not that

00:53:54.240 fascinating i just think that um i just think that the reality is the internet world there's so much

00:53:59.200 opportunity but there's so much garbage on the internet too yeah there's so much it's so hard

00:54:02.800 to find legit things and so for every one of you there's 10 guys lying but that's also why i didn't

00:54:09.280 ever want to talk about my life because i'm like they're gonna i'm just gonna come across like every

00:54:12.640 other guy on the internet so that's why i've been like mia from the internet and i also have a real

00:54:16.800 business so i'm like why would i why would i go build a brand i think now it's almost like now that

00:54:22.400 everyone knows me in the business world has like been successful for as long as i have now i'm

00:54:27.520 willing to get on camera but i just hated that stigma of like i didn't want to be another guy

00:54:32.080 like oh you're just building a youtube channel of course it's tough because my dad i'm like dad i

00:54:36.720 could make you so famous i'm like that and i it's but he's like why for what right that's what you find

00:54:42.320 like some of the smartest people aren't online because why would they and especially money right

00:54:46.560 without why right and it is it is kind of nice like there is a part of it that it's kind of nice

00:54:52.640 that people don't know like it's nice that most of my dating life like yeah they have no idea like

00:54:57.600 maybe you could inference it yeah yeah maybe okay my house is a little nicer than average um but like

00:55:03.200 i i would uber everywhere so like i would have times where like my girlfriend for like six months

00:55:08.000 didn't even know what car i drove and then like one day like went into my garage was like what the

00:55:12.160 heck you know like but that to me i never posted a photo of my car or my house online like that to

00:55:17.120 me is like a cooler situation to live in and i feel like a lot of the internet now is like any cool

00:55:22.160 thing a person does they have to share it online yeah so there's pros and cons like their kids are

00:55:28.160 being raised on the internet i'm like what not not to pull the like asian card here but i also i do

00:55:34.000 think too though like why i want to get online more is because i think like i just know with me there

00:55:40.080 was so much pressure to be an engineer or a doctor go do the like go get a undergrad master's phd

00:55:46.720 and i don't meet like i don't know to this day another indian kid who dropped out of school who

00:55:50.800 made it successful so i almost feel like now there's but there's probably a lot of people

00:55:56.080 who are like me who are kind of like i know deep down like i can do something better with my life

00:56:02.080 um but there's not a lot of people who look like like there's all the creators are all on roids with

00:56:06.720 the sleeve tattoos yeah it's all the same look right yeah with the chisel and for me it always

00:56:12.480 i always think they're fake yeah because they are i yeah because i find like the smartest men my dad

00:56:18.560 knows don't really look like there's a reason look at the look at the top 50 richest people they don't

00:56:24.320 they're not like yeah supermodels right so not to say you can't be or whatever it's just

00:56:31.360 i think that there's a lot of cliches online of like like the reality is like even like fitness

00:56:37.360 like you don't have to be in shape to be successful you could be like very financially rich and like

00:56:42.560 look like mark zuckerberg right so business is a lot of times it's about systems and processes like

00:56:48.080 the formula to make a youtube channel i mean we see youtube creators across the board you know like

00:56:52.560 there's there's even like youtube creators i'm like they're not even good at talking on camera how are

00:56:57.360 they getting views but they find a niche yeah they find an audience so yeah that's really it so

00:57:02.880 who knows maybe i'm going to regret being public but we'll see we'll see um what's the your website

00:57:09.440 yeah so um i'll put a link down below the funny part ironically to all this is i don't i same thing

00:57:15.280 i didn't want to be known so i never had a public facing website okay but i will create one i will

00:57:20.400 create a link by the time this comes out yeah by the time this comes out okay okay um well thank you so

00:57:26.000 much for coming on i'm glad you've enjoyed the davis compound yeah it's incredible um guys make sure

00:57:33.360 you go subscribe to his brand new channel that we made for him i'll make sure you like the video on

00:57:38.560 your way out and um let me know what you think in the comments and we will talk to you next time and if

00:57:44.240 you're ever in the davis compound make pearl make rice for you okay i'm gonna i'm gonna um put that

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Pearl - April 25, 2025

Exposing the 2025 Online Business SCAMS! w⧸ @ShivAiyar

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